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Matt & Laurie Crouch host "Driven by Eternity" with John Bevere

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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT,
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  • FROM TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA,
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  • BESTSELLING AUTHOR JOHN BEVERE.
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  • NEXT ON "PRAISE."
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  • - MATT: WOW!
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  • THE "PRAISE" PROGRAM COMES TO
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  • YOU FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
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  • THANK YOU, AUDIENCE, FOR BEING
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  • - LAURIE: YES.
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  • YOU'RE AMAZING.
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  • - MATT: YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING.
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  • TONIGHT, JOHN BEVERE.
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  • YOUR BOOK "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY"
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  • IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
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  • TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
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  • WHY IS ETERNITY AND WHY IS THIS
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  • BOOK GOING TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S
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  • LIVES?
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  • HOW DO YOU HELP US TONIGHT WITH
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  • - JOHN BEVERE: MATT AND
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  • LAURIE, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
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  • WHERE ANYONE IS IN LIFE, WHAT
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  • WE'RE DOING IN LIFE.
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  • WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND OUR
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  • LIFE OR THIS LIFE IN GENERAL
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  • UNLESS WE SEE IT THROUGH THE
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  • MANY, MANY -- AND I'M TALKIN'
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  • CHRISTIANS -- REALLY DON'T SEE
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  • LIFE THROUGH THE EYES OF
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  • ETERNITY.
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  • THEY SEE IT THROUGH 70 OR 80
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  • YEARS.
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  • WHEN YOU HAVE A 70- OR 80-YEAR
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  • PERSPECTIVE, YOU WILL LIVE
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  • DIFFERENTLY THAN IF YOU HAVE AN
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  • ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE.
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  • I WAS IN BRAZIL 11 MONTHS AGO
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  • AND I FLEW DOWN THERE TO
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  • GOIÂNIA.
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  • IT'S, I THINK, THE FOURTH OR
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  • FIFTH LARGEST CITY IN BRAZIL.
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  • AND THEY ASKED ME TO SPEAK TO
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  • THE PASTORS AND LEADERS OF A
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  • CHURCH NETWORK.
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  • SO, THEY DRIVE ME TO THE ARENA
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  • AND THERE'S 12.500 PASTORS AND
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  • LEADERS IN THIS ARENA.
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  • - LAURIE: WOW.
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  • - JOHN: AND, THE PASSION WAS
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  • UNREAL.
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  • I MEAN, ELECTRIFYING, OKAY?
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  • AND SO, THE NEXT THING, I'M AT
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  • LUNCH WITH, LIKE, EIGHT OF THE
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  • TOP LEADERS OF THIS
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  • ORGANIZATION.
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  • I SAID, "OKAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE
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  • ARE IN YOUR CHURCHES?"
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  • 'CAUSE THEY HAD SEVERAL
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  • CHURCHES.
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  • THEY SAID, "OVER 300.000
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  • PEOPLE."
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  • I SAID, "WOW, THAT'S HUGE!"
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  • I SAID, "WHEN DID YOU GUYS
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  • BEGIN?
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  • WHO DID IT START WITH?"
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  • AND THEY SAID-- AND I'M
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  • THINKIN' THEY'RE GONNA SAY 40,
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  • 50 YEARS AGO.
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  • AND THEY SAID, "WE STARTED 16
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  • YEARS AGO IN 1999 WITH ONE
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  • MAN," AND THEY SAID HIS NAME.
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  • AND I ABOUT DROPPED MY FORK!
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  • I'M LIKE: "WHAT?
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  • YOU MEAN TO TELL ME YOU HAVE
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  • BUILT A CHURCH NETWORK OF OVER
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  • 300.000 PEOPLE IN A FIRST-WORLD
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  • NATION IN 16 YEARS?"
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  • THEY SAID, "YEAH."
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  • I SAID, "HOW DO YOU DO THAT?!"
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  • AND, I THOUGHT, FOR SURE, MATT
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  • AND LAURIE, THEY WERE GOING TO
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  • SAY TO ME, "IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR
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  • HOME CELL GROUPS"
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  • BUT WITHOUT EVEN BATTING AN EYE,
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  • WITHOUT EVEN PAUSING,
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  • HESITATING, THE LEADER,
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  • WHO SPOKE THE BEST ENGLISH,
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  • LOOKED RIGHT AT ME AND GOES,
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  • "IT'S BECAUSE WE TEACH
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  • OUR PEOPLE ON ETERNAL REWARDS
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  • IN JUDGMENT."
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  • HE SAID, "WE TEACH 'EM ON THE
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  • JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST."
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  • HE SAID, "NOW, JOHN, I'VE BEEN
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  • TO MANY CHURCHES IN AMERICA,
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  • AND CONFERENCES."
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  • HE SAID, "AMERICANS DON'T TEACH
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  • IT."
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  • SO, BASICALLY, IT COMES DOWN TO
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  • THIS: WHEN YOU SEE LIFE THROUGH
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  • ETERNITY, YOU WILL PURSUE
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  • THINGS DIFFERENTLY, YOU WILL
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  • LIVE DIFFERENTLY.
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  • YOUR GOALS WILL BECOME
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  • DIFFERENT.
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  • YOU WILL ENDURE THINGS THAT YOU
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  • WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ENDURE.
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  • C.S. LEWIS MADE THIS COMMENT.
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  • HE SAID: THE PEOPLE, IF YOU
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  • STUDY CHURCH HISTORY, THE
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  • PEOPLE THAT MADE THE GREATEST
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  • IMPACT IN THIS WORLD ARE
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  • PRECISELY THOSE WHO THOUGHT
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  • MOST ABOUT THE NEXT.
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  • HE SAID: IT IS SINCE CHRISTIANS
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  • HAVE BECOME LESS NEXT-WORLD
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  • MINDED THAT THEY HAVE BECOME SO
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  • INEFFECTIVE IN THIS ONE.
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  • WHY IS THAT?
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  • BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE LIFE IN
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  • PERSPECTIVE.
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  • LIFE IS NOT ABOUT 70 OR 80
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  • YEARS.
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  • WE ARE TALKING ETERNITY HERE.
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  • - MATT: OKAY, "DRIVEN BY
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  • ETERNITY."
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  • THIS BOOK ACTUALLY CAME OUT 10
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  • YEARS AGO.
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  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
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  • - MATT: YOU'VE DONE AN UPDATE
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  • AND, TONIGHT, IT IS COORDINATED
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  • SO THAT BY DIALING THE 800
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  • NUMBER, THE OPERATORS ARE
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  • STANDING BY.
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  • WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU
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  • KNOW THAT THIS IS ALL
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  • COORDINATED -- YOU KNOW, THE
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  • PUBLISHER, YOUR SCHEDULE, JOHN,
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  • OUR SCHEDULE.
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  • TONIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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  • ETERNITY.
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  • SO, LET'S DIG A LITTLE DEEPER
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  • INTO THIS.
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  • AND THIS BOOK IS AVAILABLE BY
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  • DIALING THE NUMBER.
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  • AND ALL THE OPERATORS ARE ALL
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  • PREPARED.
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  • THIS IS ALL SET UP AND READY TO
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  • GO FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN GET
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  • THE BOOK.
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  • OKAY, DIG DEEPER INTO THIS.
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  • AND WE ARE-- NOW, LET'S TALK TO
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  • THE-- THE MAJORITY OF OUR
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  • AUDIENCE IS CHRISTIAN.
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  • AND, WE WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY
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  • AND WHAT THE CONCEPTS ARE IN
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  • HERE THAT ARE GONNA HELP CHANGE
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  • OUR LIFE.
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  • SO, JUST HELP US-- HELP US
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  • UNDERSTAND DEEPER INTO WHAT
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  • THIS BOOK IS ABOUT.
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  • - JOHN: JOHN THE APOSTLE, WHEN
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  • HE WAS IN HIS 90S -- HE WROTE 2
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  • JOHN.
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  • AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE GET
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  • OLDER -- I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN
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  • THIS AND I'VE SEEN THIS -- AND
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  • THEY'VE SERVED JESUS FAITHFULLY
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  • FOR YEARS, THEY CAN SAY A WHOLE
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  • LOT IN A FEW WORDS.
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  • - LAURIE: MMH.
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  • - JOHN: WELL, THIS ONE VERSE
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  • IN 2 JOHN, VERSE 8 CAUGHT MY
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  • ATTENTION.
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  • AND THIS IS HOW IT STARTED WITH
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  • ME.
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  • JOHN SAID, "LOOK TO YOURSELVES
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  • THAT WE DON'T LOSE WHAT WE
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  • WORKED FOR BUT THAT WE WOULD
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  • RECEIVE A FULL REWARD."
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  • NOW, GOD IS A REWARDER.
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  • - LAURIE: MMH.
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  • - JOHN: I MEAN, HE INTRODUCES
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  • HIMSELF TO ABRAHAM BY SAYING,
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  • "I AM YOUR SHIELD, YOUR
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  • EXCEEDING GREAT REWARD."
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  • WHAT A WAY TO INTRODUCE
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  • YOURSELF TO SOMEBODY WHEN
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  • YOU'RE GOD!
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  • OKAY?
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  • BUT THE THING THAT REALLY GOT
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  • MY ATTENTION, MATT AND LAURIE,
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  • WAS JOHN DIDN'T SAY, "LIVE IN
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  • SUCH A WAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA
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  • GET A REWARD."
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  • HE SAID "FULL REWARD."
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  • AND I STARTED THINKING: FOR
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  • THERE TO BE A FULL REWARD
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  • THAT MEANS THERE'S A
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  • PARTIAL-REWARD SCENARIO
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  • AND THERE'S A NO-REWARD
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  • SCENARIO.
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  • NOW, ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT
  • 00:05:47.100 --> 00:05:48.020
  • JOHN DOESN'T WRITE AND SAY,
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  • "HEY, LIVE IN SUCH A WAY THAT
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  • YOU'RE GONNA GET A PARTIAL
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  • REWARD."
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  • WHY DOESN'T HE SAY THAT?
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  • BECAUSE GOD WANTS US-- I WANT
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  • BECAUSE GOD WANTS YOU TO
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  • RECEIVE THE FULL REWARD.
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  • YOU KNOW, AS A FATHER OF FOUR
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  • SONS, I LOVE REWARDING MY SONS.
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  • I KNOW YOU TWO FEEL THE SAME
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  • WAY.
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  • BUT AS A WISE FATHER, I'VE
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  • LEARNED YOU DON'T REWARD YOUR
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  • SONS UNLESS THEY'VE EARNED IT
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  • BECAUSE IF YOU REWARD THEM
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  • WITHOUT EARNING OR DESERVING,
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  • YOU TAKE AWAY INCENTIVE.
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  • AND INCENTIVE IS ACTUALLY A
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  • GOOD THING, NOT A BAD THING.
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  • AND SO, WHAT IS JOHN
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  • TALKING ABOUT HERE?
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  • WELL, HE'S TALKING ABOUT
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  • SOMETHING, AS I SAID, THAT MANY
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  • CHRISTIANS -- AND I'M TALKING
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  • CHRISTIANS! -- DON'T KNOW AND
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  • UNDERSTAND.
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  • AND THAT IS: ONE DAY, WE'RE ALL
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  • GONNA STAND BEFORE JESUS CHRIST
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  • AS OUR JUDGE.
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  • YOU SAY: WHOA, WHOA, WAIT A
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  • MINUTE!
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  • WHOA, WHOA!
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  • JESUS IS MY SAVIOR!
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  • YES, HE'S OUR SAVIOR.
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  • BUT ONE DAY, WE'RE GONNA STAND
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  • BEFORE HIM AS JUDGE.
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  • YOU SAY: JOHN, WHERE DO YOU GET
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  • THAT FROM?!
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  • 2 CORINTHIANS, CHAPTER 5.
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  • PAUL SAID WE WOULD RATHER BE
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  • ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND TO BE
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  • PRESENT WITH THE LORD.
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  • WE KNOW, RIGHT THERE, PAUL'S
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  • NOT TALKING TO ALL OF HUMANITY.
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  • BECAUSE WHEN AN UNBELIEVER'S
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  • ABSENT FROM THE BODY, THEY'RE
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  • IN HELL.
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  • THAT'S NOT A MEAN, HARSH
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  • STATEMENT; THAT'S A STATEMENT
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  • OF FACT.
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  • AND WE GOTTA REMEMBER JESUS
  • 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:57.060
  • SAID: I CAME TO SAVE YOU.
  • 00:06:57.060 --> 00:06:58.200
  • I CAME TO SAVE YOU OUT OF WHAT
  • 00:06:58.200 --> 00:07:00.070
  • YOU CONDEMNED YOURSELVES INTO.
  • 00:07:00.250 --> 00:07:03.250
  • HE DIDN'T COME TO CONDEMN US.
  • 00:07:03.250 --> 00:07:04.200
  • HE CAME TO SAVE US OUT OF WHAT
  • 00:07:04.200 --> 00:07:05.150
  • WE PUT OURSELVES INTO.
  • 00:07:05.150 --> 00:07:06.020
  • SO, WE KNOW PAUL'S ONLY TALKIN'
  • 00:07:06.020 --> 00:07:07.030
  • TO CHRISTIANS THERE.
  • 00:07:07.030 --> 00:07:09.270
  • THEN HE SAYS: "THEREFORE, WE
  • 00:07:09.270 --> 00:07:10.170
  • MAKE IT OUR AIM," OR OUR GOAL,
  • 00:07:10.170 --> 00:07:11.190
  • "WHETHER PRESENT OR ABSENT, TO
  • 00:07:11.190 --> 00:07:12.100
  • BE WELL-PLEASING TO HIM."
  • 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:13.290
  • YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THE TIME
  • 00:07:13.290 --> 00:07:15.260
  • WHEN LISA AND I WERE SITTIN' AT
  • 00:07:15.260 --> 00:07:16.220
  • THE DINNER TABLE AND OUR BOYS
  • 00:07:16.220 --> 00:07:18.060
  • WERE TEENAGERS.
  • 00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:18.290
  • MATT AND LAURIE, YOU KNOW WHAT
  • 00:07:18.290 --> 00:07:20.000
  • I SAID TO THEM?
  • 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:20.270
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:07:20.270 --> 00:07:21.120
  • I LOOKED AT 'EM ONE NIGHT--
  • 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:22.020
  • 'CAUSE I WAS-- I WAS FEELIN'
  • 00:07:22.020 --> 00:07:23.140
  • SOME THINGS AND I SAID, "GUYS,
  • 00:07:23.140 --> 00:07:24.110
  • I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT
  • 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:25.110
  • SOMETHING."
  • 00:07:25.110 --> 00:07:26.000
  • AND THEY ALL LOOKED AT ME LIKE:
  • 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:26.220
  • OKAY, HERE WE GO -- DAD'S GONNA
  • 00:07:26.220 --> 00:07:27.140
  • SAY SOMETHING.
  • 00:07:27.140 --> 00:07:28.010
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:07:28.010 --> 00:07:29.190
  • AND I SAID, "YOU CAN'T DO ONE
  • 00:07:29.190 --> 00:07:31.200
  • THING TO MAKE YOUR MOTHER AND I
  • 00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:32.180
  • LOVE YOU ANY MORE THAN WE LOVE
  • 00:07:32.180 --> 00:07:33.280
  • YOU."
  • 00:07:33.280 --> 00:07:35.250
  • AND I SAID: "AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:07:35.250 --> 00:07:36.170
  • YOU CAN'T DO ONE THING TO MAKE
  • 00:07:36.170 --> 00:07:37.240
  • US LOVE YOU ANY LESS THAN WE
  • 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:38.140
  • LOVE YOU."
  • 00:07:38.140 --> 00:07:40.150
  • AND YOU COULD JUST 'EM REVELING
  • 00:07:40.150 --> 00:07:41.070
  • IN THAT, RIGHT?
  • 00:07:41.070 --> 00:07:44.040
  • AND THEN, I WAITED A FEW
  • 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:44.220
  • SECONDS AND I SAID, "BUT..."
  • 00:07:44.220 --> 00:07:45.230
  • - LAURIE: BUT.
  • 00:07:45.230 --> 00:07:46.210
  • - JOHN: "...YOU ARE IN CHARGE
  • 00:07:46.210 --> 00:07:47.120
  • OF HOW PLEASED WE ARE WITH
  • 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.010
  • YOU."
  • 00:07:48.010 --> 00:07:48.150
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:07:48.150 --> 00:07:49.030
  • AND, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY TO
  • 00:07:49.030 --> 00:07:50.010
  • EVERYBODY OUT THERE: YOU CAN'T
  • 00:07:50.010 --> 00:07:50.220
  • DO ONE THING TO MAKE GOD LOVE
  • 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:52.170
  • YOU ANY MORE THAN HE LOVES YOU.
  • 00:07:52.170 --> 00:07:54.020
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:07:54.020 --> 00:07:55.080
  • - JOHN: AND YOU CAN'T DO A
  • 00:07:55.080 --> 00:07:56.020
  • THING TO MAKE HIM LOVE YOU ANY
  • 00:07:56.020 --> 00:07:56.230
  • LESS THAN HE LOVES YOU.
  • 00:07:56.230 --> 00:07:57.200
  • BUT WE ARE IN CHARGE OF HOW
  • 00:07:57.200 --> 00:07:59.020
  • PLEASED HE IS WITH US.
  • 00:07:59.020 --> 00:07:59.250
  • THAT'S WHY PAUL SAID IF WE MAKE
  • 00:07:59.250 --> 00:08:02.000
  • IT OUR GOAL NOT JUST TO BE
  • 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.280
  • PLEASING BUT WELL-PLEASING...
  • 00:08:03.280 --> 00:08:05.070
  • WHY?
  • 00:08:05.070 --> 00:08:06.290
  • VERY NEXT SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:08:06.290 --> 00:08:07.180
  • "FOR WE..."
  • 00:08:07.180 --> 00:08:08.190
  • "WE," HERE, IS ONLY CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:08:08.190 --> 00:08:09.110
  • "...MUST ALL APPEAR BEFORE THE
  • 00:08:09.110 --> 00:08:10.020
  • JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST THAT
  • 00:08:10.020 --> 00:08:10.220
  • EACH ONE MAY RECEIVE THE THINGS
  • 00:08:10.220 --> 00:08:12.070
  • DONE IN THE BODY, WHETHER GOOD
  • 00:08:12.070 --> 00:08:13.020
  • OR BAD..."
  • 00:08:13.020 --> 00:08:15.170
  • NOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD
  • 00:08:15.170 --> 00:08:16.120
  • "BAD" IN REGARD TO CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.100
  • YOU GO, "WAIT A MINUTE,
  • 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:18.010
  • THE TWO DON'T GO TOGETHER."
  • 00:08:18.010 --> 00:08:18.270
  • NOW, EVERY ONE OF US IS GOING
  • 00:08:18.270 --> 00:08:21.050
  • TO STAND BEFORE JESUS AS OUR
  • 00:08:21.050 --> 00:08:22.080
  • JUDGE.
  • 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:23.100
  • NOW, WE WILL NOT -- AND THIS IS
  • 00:08:23.100 --> 00:08:24.250
  • SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL
  • 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:26.120
  • UNDERSTAND THIS -- WE WILL NOT
  • 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.000
  • BE JUDGED FOR OUR SINS.
  • 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.120
  • BECAUSE OUR SINS HAVE BEEN
  • 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.010
  • ERADICATED BY THE BLOOD OF
  • 00:08:33.010 --> 00:08:33.200
  • JESUS.
  • 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:34.150
  • - MATT: THANK YOU, LORD!
  • 00:08:34.150 --> 00:08:35.170
  • - JOHN: EVERYBODY SAY: THANK
  • 00:08:35.170 --> 00:08:36.080
  • GOD FOR THAT.
  • 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:36.210
  • - MATT: AMEN.
  • 00:08:36.210 --> 00:08:37.040
  • - JOHN: AMEN?
  • 00:08:37.040 --> 00:08:37.190
  • - MATT: AMEN.
  • 00:08:37.190 --> 00:08:38.130
  • - JOHN: EVERYBODY CLAP ON THAT
  • 00:08:38.130 --> 00:08:39.050
  • ONE, YEAH.
  • 00:08:39.050 --> 00:08:39.220
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:08:39.220 --> 00:08:42.150
  • WHAT WE WILL BE JUDGED FOR IS
  • 00:08:42.150 --> 00:08:43.060
  • HOW WE LIVE THIS LIFE AS
  • 00:08:43.060 --> 00:08:44.250
  • BELIEVERS.
  • 00:08:44.250 --> 00:08:47.110
  • NOW, WHEN PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY
  • 00:08:47.110 --> 00:08:48.190
  • CHRISTIANS, HEAR THAT WORD
  • 00:08:48.190 --> 00:08:50.240
  • "JUDGMENT," DO YOU KNOW WHAT
  • 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:51.140
  • THEY ASSOCIATE THAT WORD WITH?
  • 00:08:51.140 --> 00:08:52.160
  • CONDEMNATION.
  • 00:08:55.040 --> 00:08:58.040
  • THE WORD "JUDGMENT"
  • 00:08:58.040 --> 00:08:59.030
  • MOST OF THE TIME THAT IT
  • 00:08:59.030 --> 00:08:59.210
  • APPEARS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IN
  • 00:08:59.210 --> 00:09:00.260
  • REGARD TO CHRISTIANS, IS THE
  • 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:01.160
  • GREEK WORD "KRIMA,"0925 WHICH
  • 00:09:01.160 --> 00:09:02.210
  • SIMPLY MEANS A DECISION
  • 00:09:02.210 --> 00:09:03.190
  • RESULTING FROM AN
  • 00:09:03.190 --> 00:09:04.250
  • INVESTIGATION.
  • 00:09:04.250 --> 00:09:05.290
  • SO, JESUS IS GOING TO DO AN
  • 00:09:05.290 --> 00:09:07.260
  • INVESTIGATION ON OUR LIFE AS
  • 00:09:07.260 --> 00:09:09.000
  • CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:09:10.110 --> 00:09:13.110
  • HE'S GOING TO EXAMINE
  • 00:09:13.110 --> 00:09:14.030
  • OUR WORDS, OUR THOUGHTS, OUR
  • 00:09:14.030 --> 00:09:14.280
  • MOTIVES.
  • 00:09:14.280 --> 00:09:15.220
  • YOU SAY: WHAT?
  • 00:09:15.220 --> 00:09:16.210
  • OUR MOTIVES?!
  • 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:17.210
  • 1 CORINTHIANS, CHAPTER 4, VERSE
  • 00:09:17.210 --> 00:09:18.220
  • 5 SAYS DON'T JUDGE ANYONE
  • 00:09:18.220 --> 00:09:19.250
  • BEFORE THE TIME UNTIL THE LORD
  • 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:21.170
  • COMES AND REVEALS OUR PRIVATE
  • 00:09:21.170 --> 00:09:22.220
  • MOTIVES AND SECRET INTENTIONS.
  • 00:09:22.270 --> 00:09:25.270
  • AND THEN EACH MAN'S PRAISE WILL
  • 00:09:25.270 --> 00:09:26.200
  • COME FROM GOD.
  • 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:27.250
  • NO SINNER IS GONNA GET PRAISE
  • 00:09:27.250 --> 00:09:29.080
  • FROM GOD.
  • 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:30.050
  • HE'S TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:09:30.050 --> 00:09:32.020
  • AS A RESULT OF THIS
  • 00:09:32.020 --> 00:09:33.210
  • INVESTIGATION, JESUS IS GONNA
  • 00:09:33.210 --> 00:09:34.200
  • MAKE DECISIONS OVER OUR LIFE.
  • 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.030
  • AND AS A RESULT OF THOSE
  • 00:09:36.030 --> 00:09:38.000
  • DECISIONS, WE'LL EITHER RECEIVE
  • 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.050
  • REWARDS OR WE'LL SUFFER LOSSES.
  • 00:09:39.050 --> 00:09:40.240
  • AND THE BIBLE'S VERY CLEAR THE
  • 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.170
  • REWARDS WE CAN RECEIVE TO THE
  • 00:09:42.170 --> 00:09:43.280
  • LOSSES WE CAN SUFFER ARE
  • 00:09:43.280 --> 00:09:45.190
  • ANYWHERE FROM REIGNING BESIDE
  • 00:09:45.190 --> 00:09:47.170
  • CHRIST FOREVER AND EVER AND
  • 00:09:47.170 --> 00:09:49.030
  • EVER ALL THE WAY TO HAVING
  • 00:09:49.030 --> 00:09:51.080
  • EVERYTHING WE DID BURNED UP.
  • 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.100
  • THE FORMER WOULD BE THE FULL
  • 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:54.270
  • REWARD; THE LATTER WOULD BE THE
  • 00:09:54.270 --> 00:09:56.090
  • NO REWARD, AND EVERYTHING IN
  • 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:57.080
  • BETWEEN IS THE PARTIAL REWARD.
  • 00:09:58.030 --> 00:10:01.030
  • NOW, IN HEBREWS, CHAPTER 6, IT
  • 00:10:01.030 --> 00:10:02.130
  • TELLS US THOSE DECISIONS HE
  • 00:10:02.130 --> 00:10:05.070
  • MAKES OVER OUR LIFE ARE CALLED
  • 00:10:05.070 --> 00:10:06.080
  • ETERNAL JUDGMENTS, ETERNAL
  • 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.090
  • DECISIONS.
  • 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:11.000
  • SO, WHAT THAT TELLS US IS
  • 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:11.190
  • THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE ANY
  • 00:10:11.190 --> 00:10:13.090
  • CHANGES TO THOSE DECISIONS.
  • 00:10:13.090 --> 00:10:14.140
  • THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE
  • 00:10:14.140 --> 00:10:15.080
  • ALTERATIONS.
  • 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.070
  • THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE ANY
  • 00:10:16.070 --> 00:10:16.260
  • AMENDMENTS.
  • 00:10:16.260 --> 00:10:18.150
  • SO, WHAT THAT TELLS US IS THIS:
  • 00:10:18.150 --> 00:10:20.130
  • WHAT WE DO WITH THE CROSS
  • 00:10:20.130 --> 00:10:21.130
  • DETERMINES WHERE WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:10:21.130 --> 00:10:23.090
  • SPEND ETERNITY.
  • 00:10:23.090 --> 00:10:25.220
  • WE ALL KNOW THAT -- HEAVEN OR
  • 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:26.130
  • HELL.
  • 00:10:26.130 --> 00:10:26.220
  • HOWEVER, THE WAY WE LIVE AS
  • 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:29.040
  • BELIEVERS DETERMINES HOW WE'RE
  • 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:30.140
  • GONNA SPEND ETERNITY.
  • 00:10:30.140 --> 00:10:32.210
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:10:32.210 --> 00:10:33.180
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ETERNITY.
  • 00:10:33.180 --> 00:10:36.030
  • JOHN-- AND THE BOOK IS
  • 00:10:41.260 --> 00:10:42.130
  • AVAILABLE BY GOING TO THE 800
  • 00:10:42.130 --> 00:10:43.040
  • NUMBER.
  • 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:43.140
  • ALL THE OPERATORS ARE PREPARED
  • 00:10:43.140 --> 00:10:44.050
  • FOR YOUR CALL.
  • 00:10:44.050 --> 00:10:45.190
  • WE'RE GONNA KEEP DIGGING INTO
  • 00:10:45.190 --> 00:10:48.030
  • THIS.
  • 00:10:48.030 --> 00:10:49.020
  • I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING
  • 00:10:49.020 --> 00:10:50.150
  • RIGHT HERE -- THAT, FOR THOSE
  • 00:10:50.210 --> 00:10:53.210
  • THAT HAVE BEEN WATCHING TBN FOR
  • 00:10:53.210 --> 00:10:54.270
  • YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND
  • 00:10:54.270 --> 00:10:57.080
  • THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN WATCHING,
  • 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.190
  • EVEN, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE
  • 00:10:59.190 --> 00:11:01.260
  • 1980S, LAURIE AND I HAD THE
  • 00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:05.010
  • PRIVILEGE OF KNOWING
  • 00:11:05.010 --> 00:11:07.190
  • PAUL BILLHEIMER.
  • 00:11:07.190 --> 00:11:09.170
  • HE WROTE A BOOK CALLED
  • 00:11:09.170 --> 00:11:10.040
  • "DESTINED FOR THE THRONE."
  • 00:11:10.130 --> 00:11:13.130
  • AND, MY DAD WROTE THE FOREWARD
  • 00:11:13.130 --> 00:11:15.100
  • OR THE INTRODUCTION AND
  • 00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:16.100
  • BILLY GRAHAM WROTE THE OTHER
  • 00:11:16.100 --> 00:11:18.070
  • ONE.
  • 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:19.190
  • I CAN'T REMEMBER IF MY DAD
  • 00:11:19.190 --> 00:11:20.210
  • WROTE THE INTRODUCTION OR THE
  • 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:23.010
  • FOREWARD, BUT-- AND BILLY GRAHAM
  • 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.080
  • WROTE THE OTHER ONE.
  • 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:26.260
  • AND, MY DAD WAS ALWAYS WANTING
  • 00:11:28.020 --> 00:11:31.020
  • TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:11:31.070 --> 00:11:34.070
  • BUT HE SAID IN HIS FOREWARD THAT
  • 00:11:34.070 --> 00:11:36.120
  • "I TAKE THE BIBLE IN ONE HAND
  • 00:11:38.040 --> 00:11:41.040
  • AND 'DESTINED FOR THE THRONE'
  • 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:42.270
  • IN THE OTHER HAND AND I'M READY
  • 00:11:42.270 --> 00:11:43.190
  • TO GO FACE AND GO DO WHAT GOD'S
  • 00:11:43.190 --> 00:11:44.110
  • CALLED ME TO DO."
  • 00:11:44.110 --> 00:11:45.170
  • AND, IN YOUR BOOK "DRIVEN BY
  • 00:11:45.170 --> 00:11:47.190
  • ETERNITY" -- AND I WANNA HEAR
  • 00:11:47.190 --> 00:11:48.160
  • MORE ABOUT THIS AND I WANNA DIG
  • 00:11:48.160 --> 00:11:50.150
  • DEEPER INTO THIS -- BUT, IT'S
  • 00:11:50.150 --> 00:11:51.290
  • ALMOST LIKE YOU-- THERE'S A
  • 00:11:51.290 --> 00:11:54.190
  • LITTLE BIT OF PAUL BILLHEIMER
  • 00:11:54.190 --> 00:11:55.290
  • THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN IN THIS.
  • 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.000
  • IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MODERN
  • 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.140
  • VERSION OF A CLASSIC BOOK --
  • 00:12:00.170 --> 00:12:03.170
  • YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WRITTEN IN
  • 00:12:03.170 --> 00:12:04.080
  • THE 70S, OR MAYBE EVEN IN THE
  • 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.250
  • 60S, BY PAUL BILLHEIMER THAT
  • 00:12:06.250 --> 00:12:09.070
  • HAS BEEN VERY WELL KNOWN AND
  • 00:12:09.070 --> 00:12:11.200
  • RECEIVED BY THE TBN AUDIENCE
  • 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:12.100
  • OVER ALL THE YEARS.
  • 00:12:12.150 --> 00:12:15.150
  • PAUL BILLHEIMER WAS A-- LIKE A-
  • 00:12:15.150 --> 00:12:16.190
  • - ALMOST LIKE A DAD TO MY DAD.
  • 00:12:16.190 --> 00:12:19.000
  • AND, THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE
  • 00:12:20.270 --> 00:12:23.270
  • SENSE OF LIFE WITHOUT ZOOMING
  • 00:12:23.270 --> 00:12:26.160
  • OUT AND INCLUDING ETERNITY--
  • 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:28.220
  • - JOHN: YES.
  • 00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:30.170
  • - MATT: --WAS PAUL
  • 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:32.080
  • BILLHEIMER'S APPROACH, THAT
  • 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:33.270
  • NOTHING IS EVER GOING TO MAKE
  • 00:12:33.270 --> 00:12:34.180
  • SENSE UNTIL YOU INCLUDE
  • 00:12:34.180 --> 00:12:35.060
  • ETERNITY, AND THAT LIFE ON
  • 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:37.040
  • EARTH, HERE ON EARTH NOW, IS
  • 00:12:37.040 --> 00:12:39.070
  • ON-THE-JOB TRAINING FOR
  • 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:40.160
  • ETERNITY.
  • 00:12:40.160 --> 00:12:43.030
  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:43.030 --> 00:12:43.170
  • CORRECT.
  • 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:44.060
  • - MATT: SO, YOU'RE KIND OF
  • 00:12:44.060 --> 00:12:45.190
  • TALKING ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:12:45.190 --> 00:12:47.020
  • WE'RE ON COMMON GROUND HERE.
  • 00:12:47.020 --> 00:12:49.050
  • YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JESUS AND
  • 00:12:49.050 --> 00:12:51.190
  • HIS FINISHED WORK AT THE CROSS
  • 00:12:51.190 --> 00:12:54.140
  • IS DETERMINING WHERE WE SPEND
  • 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:57.220
  • ETERNITY.
  • 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.020
  • - JOHN: YES.
  • 00:13:01.020 --> 00:13:02.070
  • - MATT: WHEN YOU ARE IN
  • 00:13:02.070 --> 00:13:04.030
  • HEAVEN, THERE IS THIS SECOND
  • 00:13:04.030 --> 00:13:04.230
  • JUDGMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:13:05.010 --> 00:13:08.010
  • ABOUT THAT YOU'RE ESPOUSING
  • 00:13:08.010 --> 00:13:09.080
  • THAT LIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.200
  • DRIVEN--
  • 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:12.270
  • BE DRIVEN BY ETERNITY BECAUSE
  • 00:13:12.270 --> 00:13:15.010
  • OF THAT JUDGMENT.
  • 00:13:15.010 --> 00:13:16.050
  • - JOHN: WELL, THERE'S TWO
  • 00:13:16.050 --> 00:13:17.180
  • JUDGMENTS.
  • 00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:18.190
  • THERE'S THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
  • 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:19.100
  • JUDGMENT.
  • 00:13:19.100 --> 00:13:19.230
  • I'M GONNA REFER TO IT THE WAY
  • 00:13:19.230 --> 00:13:20.140
  • SCRIPTURE DOES.
  • 00:13:20.140 --> 00:13:21.070
  • THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
  • 00:13:21.070 --> 00:13:22.090
  • NOT EMBRACED THE LORDSHIP OF
  • 00:13:22.090 --> 00:13:23.260
  • JESUS IN THEIR LIFE WILL STAND
  • 00:13:23.260 --> 00:13:24.240
  • AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO GOD AND
  • 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.000
  • NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO STAND
  • 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:27.220
  • BEFORE GOD.
  • 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:30.070
  • THEN, THERE'S THE BELIEVER'S
  • 00:13:30.070 --> 00:13:31.030
  • JUDGMENT SEAT.
  • 00:13:31.030 --> 00:13:33.030
  • THE ONE I JUST REFERRED TO IS
  • 00:13:33.030 --> 00:13:34.020
  • THE BELIEVER'S JUDGMENT SEAT.
  • 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:35.220
  • AND I NEED TO SAY THIS -- THAT
  • 00:13:35.220 --> 00:13:38.030
  • I REMEMBER WHEN GOD ASKED ME TO
  • 00:13:38.030 --> 00:13:40.030
  • WRITE THIS BOOK.
  • 00:13:41.040 --> 00:13:44.040
  • I REMEMBER WHERE I WAS.
  • 00:13:44.040 --> 00:13:45.160
  • IT WAS 5:30 IN THE MORNING.
  • 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:46.220
  • I WAS ON THE 18TH HOLE OF A
  • 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:47.240
  • GOLF COURSE.
  • 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:48.190
  • IT WAS A DOGLEG LEFT.
  • 00:13:48.190 --> 00:13:49.070
  • I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I WAS ON
  • 00:13:49.070 --> 00:13:49.290
  • IT.
  • 00:13:49.290 --> 00:13:50.240
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.280
  • AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID TO ME:
  • 00:13:51.280 --> 00:13:52.290
  • I WANT YOU TO WRITE A BOOK ON
  • 00:13:52.290 --> 00:13:53.200
  • THE JUDGMENT SEATS.
  • 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.270
  • AND I LAUGHED.
  • 00:13:55.270 --> 00:13:57.020
  • I SAID: "OKAY, GOD, I HAVE
  • 00:13:57.160 --> 00:14:00.180
  • PREACHED ON THIS MAYBE 20
  • 00:14:00.180 --> 00:14:01.070
  • MINUTES MY ENTIRE LIFE.
  • 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.200
  • HOW CAN I WRITE A CHAPTER,
  • 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:06.090
  • LET ALONE A BOOK?"
  • 00:14:06.090 --> 00:14:07.000
  • AND, OF COURSE, HE SAID
  • 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:08.080
  • NOTHING.
  • 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:09.040
  • WELL, WHAT I DID IS I GOT EVERY
  • 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:10.060
  • SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE ON
  • 00:14:10.060 --> 00:14:10.250
  • ETERNITY, REWARDS, LOSSES,
  • 00:14:10.250 --> 00:14:12.010
  • JUDGMENT, HEAVEN, HELL FROM
  • 00:14:12.010 --> 00:14:14.030
  • SEVEN DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS.
  • 00:14:14.030 --> 00:14:15.290
  • AND I PUT IT IN A NOTEBOOK AND
  • 00:14:15.290 --> 00:14:17.110
  • IT WAS ABOUT THAT THICK.
  • 00:14:17.110 --> 00:14:19.160
  • AND I DID NOTHING BUT MEDITATE.
  • 00:14:19.270 --> 00:14:22.270
  • AND I FOUND OUT GOD HAS A LOT
  • 00:14:22.270 --> 00:14:24.130
  • TO SAY ABOUT ETERNITY.
  • 00:14:24.130 --> 00:14:25.190
  • TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT'S
  • 00:14:25.190 --> 00:14:27.180
  • THE LONGEST BOOK I'VE EVER
  • 00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:28.070
  • WRITTEN.
  • 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:28.260
  • ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?
  • 00:14:28.260 --> 00:14:29.270
  • I DIDN'T EVEN THINK I COULD
  • 00:14:29.270 --> 00:14:31.030
  • WRITE A PARAGRAPH.
  • 00:14:31.030 --> 00:14:31.220
  • BUT THAT IS SO-- THERE IS SO
  • 00:14:34.060 --> 00:14:35.060
  • MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
  • 00:14:35.060 --> 00:14:37.250
  • AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS
  • 00:14:37.250 --> 00:14:38.170
  • LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AROUND US.
  • 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:42.080
  • LOOK AT THE CREATIVITY, THE
  • 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:42.290
  • INGENUITY, BUSINESS, FREE
  • 00:14:42.290 --> 00:14:45.290
  • MARKETPLACE THAT WE HAVE IN
  • 00:14:45.290 --> 00:14:47.010
  • THIS WORLD.
  • 00:14:47.010 --> 00:14:49.210
  • ARE WE THINKIN' THAT WHEN WE GO
  • 00:14:49.210 --> 00:14:50.130
  • TO HEAVEN IT'S GONNA BE CLOUDS
  • 00:14:50.130 --> 00:14:51.040
  • AND HARPS?
  • 00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:53.010
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:14:53.010 --> 00:14:53.220
  • YEAH.
  • 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:54.170
  • - JOHN: OKAY.
  • 00:14:54.170 --> 00:14:55.030
  • NO WAY.
  • 00:14:55.030 --> 00:14:57.070
  • THIS MAGNIFICENT GOD WITH ALL
  • 00:14:57.070 --> 00:14:58.110
  • THIS INGENUITY AND CREATIVITY
  • 00:14:58.110 --> 00:14:59.180
  • -- LIFE IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH
  • 00:14:59.180 --> 00:15:01.260
  • MORE FULL.
  • 00:15:01.260 --> 00:15:02.250
  • WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:04.220
  • POSITIONS IN THAT LIFE.
  • 00:15:04.220 --> 00:15:05.180
  • - JOHN: YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:15:06.230 --> 00:15:07.120
  • POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP, YOU'RE
  • 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:08.260
  • GONNA HAVE CEOS, YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:09.170
  • HAVE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'RE
  • 00:15:09.170 --> 00:15:11.090
  • GOING TO HAVE VISION-CASTING
  • 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:14.110
  • GROUPS.
  • 00:15:14.110 --> 00:15:16.140
  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE
  • 00:15:16.140 --> 00:15:17.050
  • DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
  • 00:15:17.050 --> 00:15:17.260
  • THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE
  • 00:15:17.260 --> 00:15:18.160
  • NOT AS IMPORTANT AS A ROLE IN
  • 00:15:18.160 --> 00:15:20.040
  • LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
  • 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:25.290
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS?
  • 00:15:25.290 --> 00:15:26.270
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMEBODY
  • 00:15:26.270 --> 00:15:29.030
  • WALKING INTO A ROOM FILLED WITH
  • 00:15:29.030 --> 00:15:30.100
  • PEOPLE AND SAYING, "ALL RIGHT,
  • 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:31.060
  • WE ARE"--
  • 00:15:31.060 --> 00:15:32.290
  • LET'S SAY WE COULD LIVE IN
  • 00:15:32.290 --> 00:15:33.180
  • THESE PHYSICAL BODIES A LITTLE
  • 00:15:33.180 --> 00:15:34.230
  • LONGER THAN WHAT WE LIVE NOW.
  • 00:15:34.230 --> 00:15:36.210
  • I'M GONNA TRY TO GIVE OUR
  • 00:15:36.210 --> 00:15:39.130
  • AUDIENCE A GLIMPSE RIGHT NOW OF
  • 00:15:39.130 --> 00:15:40.270
  • WHAT WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT.
  • 00:15:40.270 --> 00:15:42.020
  • THEY WALK INTO THIS ROOM FILLED
  • 00:15:42.020 --> 00:15:42.280
  • WITH PEOPLE AND THEY SAID, "ALL
  • 00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:44.060
  • RIGHT, THE WAY YOU SPEND THE
  • 00:15:44.060 --> 00:15:45.190
  • NEXT 24 HOURS -- ONE DAY --
  • 00:15:47.050 --> 00:15:50.050
  • WILL DETERMINE HOW YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:15:50.050 --> 00:15:51.110
  • SPEND THE NEXT THOUSAND YEARS
  • 00:15:51.110 --> 00:15:52.110
  • ON THIS EARTH."
  • 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:53.060
  • - MATT: HMH.
  • 00:15:53.060 --> 00:15:54.020
  • - JOHN: NOW, THINK ABOUT A
  • 00:15:54.020 --> 00:15:55.060
  • THOUSAND YEARS.
  • 00:15:55.060 --> 00:15:56.220
  • IF YOU GO BACK A THOUSAND
  • 00:15:56.220 --> 00:15:58.030
  • YEARS, THERE IS NO UNITED
  • 00:15:58.030 --> 00:15:59.030
  • STATES, NO TBN...
  • 00:15:59.030 --> 00:16:00.160
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:16:00.160 --> 00:16:01.050
  • THERE'S NO CHRISTOPHER
  • 00:16:01.050 --> 00:16:02.040
  • COLUMBUS.
  • 00:16:02.040 --> 00:16:03.000
  • THE GUY WASN'T EVEN BORN YET.
  • 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:03.210
  • THERE'S NO KING LOUIS IV OF
  • 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:05.080
  • FRANCE.
  • 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:06.190
  • HE'S NOT EVEN BORN YET.
  • 00:16:06.190 --> 00:16:07.280
  • A THOUSAND YEARS IS A LONG
  • 00:16:07.280 --> 00:16:08.170
  • TIME.
  • 00:16:08.170 --> 00:16:10.120
  • YET, THE JOB WE DO, THE PEOPLE
  • 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:11.260
  • WE WORK WITH, THE POSITION WE
  • 00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:13.210
  • HOLD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE LIVE
  • 00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:15.070
  • IN, THE TYPE OF HOUSE WE LIVE
  • 00:16:15.070 --> 00:16:17.060
  • IN, WHO OUR NEIGHBORS ARE,
  • 00:16:17.060 --> 00:16:18.220
  • WHETHER WE'RE GONNA LIVE IN
  • 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:19.120
  • SIBERIA OR NEWPORT BEACH,
  • 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.200
  • CALIFORNIA -- ALL IS GOING TO
  • 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.110
  • BE DETERMINED BY HOW WE LIVE
  • 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:24.120
  • THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
  • 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.100
  • HOW WOULD YOU LIVE THAT NEXT 24
  • 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:27.020
  • HOURS?
  • 00:16:27.020 --> 00:16:27.270
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:16:27.270 --> 00:16:28.120
  • - JOHN: WOULD YOU LIVE IT WITH
  • 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:29.150
  • PURPOSE OR WOULD YOU THROW IT
  • 00:16:29.150 --> 00:16:30.100
  • TO CHANCE?
  • 00:16:30.100 --> 00:16:31.060
  • YET, THAT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO
  • 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.120
  • WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
  • 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.200
  • BECAUSE JAMES SAYS THIS LIFE IS
  • 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.250
  • A VAPOR.
  • 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.000
  • IF JAMES WAS ALIVE TODAY, HE
  • 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.010
  • WOULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN IT THAT
  • 00:16:42.010 --> 00:16:43.020
  • WAY.
  • 00:16:43.020 --> 00:16:43.160
  • HE WOULD HAVE SAID, "THIS LIFE
  • 00:16:43.160 --> 00:16:44.070
  • IS ZERO."
  • 00:16:44.070 --> 00:16:44.180
  • HOW DO I KNOW THAT?
  • 00:16:44.180 --> 00:16:45.040
  • BECAUSE WE KNOW SOMETHING
  • 00:16:45.040 --> 00:16:46.050
  • THROUGH SIMPLE MATHEMATICS THAT
  • 00:16:46.050 --> 00:16:47.010
  • JAMES DIDN'T KNOW AND
  • 00:16:47.010 --> 00:16:48.020
  • UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:48.180
  • AND THAT IS THIS: ANY FINITE
  • 00:16:48.180 --> 00:16:51.060
  • NUMBER DIVIDED BY INFINITY IS
  • 00:16:51.060 --> 00:16:53.010
  • EQUAL TO EXACTLY ZERO.
  • 00:16:53.010 --> 00:16:55.160
  • SO, IF YOU LIVE TO BE 80 YEARS
  • 00:16:55.160 --> 00:16:57.110
  • AND YOU DIVIDE 80 YEARS BY
  • 00:16:57.110 --> 00:16:58.200
  • ETERNITY, YOU GET ZERO.
  • 00:16:58.290 --> 00:17:02.010
  • IF YOU LIVE TO BE-- THE OLDEST
  • 00:17:02.010 --> 00:17:02.240
  • MAN, I THINK, WAS TOLD-- THE
  • 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.030
  • OLDEST PERSON ON EARTH RIGHT
  • 00:17:04.030 --> 00:17:05.210
  • NOW, I THINK, IS 146.
  • 00:17:05.210 --> 00:17:07.100
  • I MIGHT BE WRONG ON THAT.
  • 00:17:07.100 --> 00:17:07.290
  • BUT IF YOU DIVIDE-- IF WE LIVE
  • 00:17:07.290 --> 00:17:09.060
  • TO BE 146 -- GOD FORBID--
  • 00:17:09.060 --> 00:17:11.280
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT?
  • 00:17:11.280 --> 00:17:12.140
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:13.100
  • - JOHN: AND YOU DIVIDE 146 BY
  • 00:17:13.100 --> 00:17:14.150
  • ETERNITY, YOU STILL GET ZERO.
  • 00:17:14.150 --> 00:17:15.060
  • SO, WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS I'M
  • 00:17:15.060 --> 00:17:17.250
  • SETTING MYSELF UP FOR HOW I'M
  • 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:18.210
  • GOING TO LIVE THROUGHOUT THE
  • 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.160
  • REST OF ETERNITY BY THIS ZERO
  • 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:24.180
  • TIME.
  • 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:26.290
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:17:26.290 --> 00:17:27.150
  • - JOHN: THAT'S MIND-BLOWING
  • 00:17:27.150 --> 00:17:28.070
  • WHEN YOU REALLY STOP AND THINK
  • 00:17:28.070 --> 00:17:29.030
  • ABOUT IT.
  • 00:17:29.030 --> 00:17:30.110
  • THAT'S WHY THIS BOOK AFFECTED
  • 00:17:30.110 --> 00:17:31.220
  • ME MORE THAN-- I'VE WRITTEN 19
  • 00:17:31.220 --> 00:17:32.130
  • BOOKS NOW.
  • 00:17:32.130 --> 00:17:34.030
  • NO BOOK HAS RIVETED MY LIFE AND
  • 00:17:34.030 --> 00:17:35.220
  • CHANGED ME PERSONALLY THAN THIS
  • 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:37.070
  • BOOK.
  • 00:17:37.070 --> 00:17:38.140
  • AND WE GET SO MANY TESTIMONIES
  • 00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:41.110
  • OF PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT THEIR
  • 00:17:41.110 --> 00:17:42.020
  • LIVES HAVE NEVER, EVEN BEEN THE
  • 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:43.110
  • SAME.
  • 00:17:43.110 --> 00:17:44.140
  • LIKE, WE RELAUNCHED THIS
  • 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:45.280
  • BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN
  • 00:17:45.280 --> 00:17:46.230
  • BRAZIL LAST YEAR.
  • 00:17:46.230 --> 00:17:48.250
  • BUT I'VE HAD PEOPLE ON MY
  • 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:49.140
  • FACEBOOK -- 'CAUSE I'VE GOT
  • 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:50.100
  • ABOUT 800.000 FOLLOWERS ON
  • 00:17:50.100 --> 00:17:51.060
  • FACEBOOK -- SAY: "THAT BOOK
  • 00:17:51.060 --> 00:17:52.260
  • CHANGED ME FOREVER.
  • 00:17:52.260 --> 00:17:54.000
  • THAT IS THE BOOK THAT YOU WROTE
  • 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.070
  • THAT CHANGED MY WHOLE COURSE OF
  • 00:17:55.070 --> 00:17:56.290
  • MY LIFE."
  • 00:17:56.290 --> 00:17:57.270
  • BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND LIFE NOW.
  • 00:17:57.270 --> 00:17:58.190
  • WE SEE IT THROUGH THE ETERNAL.
  • 00:17:58.190 --> 00:18:01.180
  • - MATT: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:02.170
  • "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY."
  • 00:18:02.170 --> 00:18:04.160
  • OUR GUEST TONIGHT, ALL
  • 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.010
  • OKAY, WE WANT TO-- IF YOU JUST
  • 00:18:09.050 --> 00:18:11.170
  • TUNED IN, FIRST OF ALL--
  • 00:18:11.170 --> 00:18:12.050
  • YOU LOOK LOVELY TONIGHT, BY THE
  • 00:18:12.050 --> 00:18:14.100
  • WAY.
  • 00:18:14.100 --> 00:18:14.240
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.100
  • MY SWEET LITTLE WIFE IS ALWAYS
  • 00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:17.080
  • SITTING WITH ME.
  • 00:18:17.190 --> 00:18:20.190
  • AND WE CARE ABOUT THE CONTENT
  • 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.240
  • OF WHAT THESE BOOKS ARE.
  • 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.210
  • WE CARE ABOUT YOUR LIFE
  • 00:18:26.210 --> 00:18:27.160
  • CHANGING.
  • 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:29.260
  • WHEREVER YOU'RE WATCHING THIS
  • 00:18:29.260 --> 00:18:30.170
  • BROADCAST NOW AROUND THE WORLD,
  • 00:18:30.170 --> 00:18:31.130
  • WE CARE ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:33.120
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT-- MAYBE ONE
  • 00:18:33.170 --> 00:18:36.170
  • OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
  • 00:18:36.170 --> 00:18:37.280
  • YOU COULD EVER DISCUSS, SHORT
  • 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:40.200
  • OF SALVATION BY GRACE, IS
  • 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:41.200
  • ETERNITY AND THE REWARD.
  • 00:18:43.290 --> 00:18:46.290
  • AND SO, "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY,"
  • 00:18:46.290 --> 00:18:47.200
  • JOHN BEVERE, WE'RE GONNA BE
  • 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:48.240
  • TALKING ABOUT IT ALL NIGHT.
  • 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:50.030
  • IT MADE ME THINK THAT IN THIS,
  • 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.240
  • YOU KNOW-- TALKING WITH THE
  • 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.160
  • PEOPLE THAT WATCH TBN, OUR
  • 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.230
  • PARTNERS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:18:58.230 --> 00:19:01.240
  • THERE'S-- YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.240
  • GONNA-- WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE
  • 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.190
  • DISCUSSING, OR EVEN SOME OF THE
  • 00:19:05.190 --> 00:19:07.150
  • STORIES -- THAT WE'RE NOT ALL
  • 00:19:07.150 --> 00:19:09.150
  • CALLED TO BE A BILLY GRAHAM.
  • 00:19:09.150 --> 00:19:10.050
  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
  • 00:19:10.050 --> 00:19:12.190
  • - MATT: WE CAN'T JUDGE OURSELF
  • 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:13.130
  • AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:14.070
  • GOD HAS A SPECIFIC CALLING, A
  • 00:19:14.070 --> 00:19:15.210
  • SPECIFIC PERSON, A PURPOSE FOR
  • 00:19:15.210 --> 00:19:16.200
  • EACH PERSON.
  • 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.190
  • AND, IT'S PROBABLY NEVER TWICE
  • 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:21.250
  • THE SAME.
  • 00:19:21.250 --> 00:19:22.180
  • IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL CALL.
  • 00:19:22.180 --> 00:19:24.260
  • AND, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:19:24.260 --> 00:19:26.030
  • TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
  • 00:19:26.030 --> 00:19:27.110
  • AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:19:27.110 --> 00:19:28.100
  • ETERNITY.
  • 00:19:28.100 --> 00:19:30.080
  • "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY."
  • 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:31.200
  • I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK, SITTING
  • 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.010
  • IN THIS SET-- BY THE WAY, JOHN,
  • 00:19:33.010 --> 00:19:34.140
  • THIS-- YOU COMMENTED BEFORE WE
  • 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:36.280
  • GOT ON THE AIR ABOUT THIS
  • 00:19:36.280 --> 00:19:37.240
  • STUDIO.
  • 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.190
  • - JOHN: IT'S MAGNIFICENT.
  • 00:19:39.190 --> 00:19:41.060
  • - MATT: THIS STUDIO IS THE
  • 00:19:41.060 --> 00:19:41.260
  • THIS HAS BEEN COMPLETELY
  • 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:51.140
  • RENOVATED, COMPLETELY CHANGED,
  • 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:52.050
  • COMPLETELY REDONE.
  • 00:19:53.050 --> 00:19:56.050
  • BUT THIS IS WHERE ORAL ROBERTS
  • 00:19:56.050 --> 00:19:56.260
  • WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH MY
  • 00:19:56.260 --> 00:19:57.140
  • AND E.V. HILL AND C.M.--
  • 00:19:58.260 --> 00:20:01.130
  • - JOHN: EFREM ZIMBALIST, JR.
  • 00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:02.250
  • - MATT: EFREM ZIMBALIST, JR.
  • 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:03.160
  • - LAURIE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:04.180
  • - MATT: ALL OF THE FOLKS OF
  • 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:05.080
  • THAT ERA.
  • 00:20:05.080 --> 00:20:06.270
  • AND, JUST THINK -- WE'RE STILL
  • 00:20:06.270 --> 00:20:08.030
  • DOING THE SAME THING.
  • 00:20:08.030 --> 00:20:09.240
  • AFTER 44 YEARS OF TBN, WE'RE
  • 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.000
  • STILL TALKING ABOUT JESUS.
  • 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:15.260
  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ETERNITY.
  • 00:20:16.230 --> 00:20:18.040
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:20:18.040 --> 00:20:18.280
  • WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING.
  • 00:20:21.050 --> 00:20:24.050
  • BECAUSE OF THE-- NOW,
  • 00:20:24.050 --> 00:20:27.020
  • 44 YEARS LATER,
  • 00:20:27.020 --> 00:20:29.040
  • THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY
  • 00:20:29.040 --> 00:20:29.250
  • MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING
  • 00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:32.050
  • THIS BROADCAST TONIGHT.
  • 00:20:32.050 --> 00:20:34.120
  • BUT 44 YEARS AGO, I THINK THERE
  • 00:20:34.120 --> 00:20:35.040
  • WAS ABOUT 9 WATCHING THIS
  • 00:20:35.040 --> 00:20:36.000
  • BROADCAST.
  • 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:40.140
  • BUT THOSE PEOPLE BOUGHT
  • 00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:42.230
  • INTO THE VISION OF TRINITY
  • 00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:44.160
  • BROADCASTING, 24-HOUR-A-DAY
  • 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.060
  • CHRISTIAN TELEVISION.
  • 00:20:46.060 --> 00:20:47.070
  • AND BECAUSE OF MY SWEET LITTLE
  • 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.160
  • PARENTS -- YOU KNOW, PAUL AND
  • 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:52.110
  • JAN CROUCH -- BEING DRIVEN BY
  • 00:20:52.110 --> 00:20:54.000
  • ETERNITY--
  • 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.190
  • - JOHN: BOY, THEY WERE.
  • 00:20:55.190 --> 00:20:57.170
  • - MATT: --THIS LIFE WAS
  • 00:20:57.170 --> 00:20:58.050
  • CHANGED.
  • 00:20:58.050 --> 00:21:00.090
  • VIVIAN LEWIS IS SOMEBODY THAT
  • 00:21:00.090 --> 00:21:01.000
  • WE FOUND.
  • 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.000
  • HER LIFE WAS CHANGED BY
  • 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.240
  • CHRISTIAN TELEVISION.
  • 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:05.090
  • [DARK MUSIC]
  • 00:21:08.070 --> 00:21:09.080
  • - VIVIAN LEWIS: THE ENEMY AND
  • 00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:10.070
  • THE SPIRIT OF SUICIDE IS LIKE A
  • 00:21:10.070 --> 00:21:11.280
  • PREDATOR.
  • 00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:12.120
  • AND THE FIRST THING IT DOES --
  • 00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:13.040
  • IT CUTS YOU OFF FROM YOUR
  • 00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:14.030
  • FAMILY.
  • 00:21:14.030 --> 00:21:15.240
  • THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HEAR
  • 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:16.140
  • ARE THE TORMENTING VOICES.
  • 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:18.130
  • THE ONLY THINK YOU FEEL IS THE
  • 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:20.220
  • UTTER SENSE OF HOPELESSNESS.
  • 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.240
  • AND I HAD MADE UP MY MIND,
  • 00:21:27.290 --> 00:21:28.180
  • WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT,
  • 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:29.290
  • I WAS GONNA COMMIT SUICIDE THAT
  • 00:21:29.290 --> 00:21:31.100
  • NIGHT.
  • 00:21:31.100 --> 00:21:32.120
  • AND I WENT IN MY BEDROOM AND I
  • 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:35.290
  • CLOSED THE DOOR.
  • 00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:36.210
  • AND THE VOICES KEPT TELLING ME:
  • 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:37.280
  • WELL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO
  • 00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:38.180
  • TAKE ALL THOSE PILLS IN THE
  • 00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:39.160
  • CABINET, YOU KNOW, AND JUST BE
  • 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:40.110
  • DONE WITH IT.
  • 00:21:40.110 --> 00:21:42.030
  • AND THE KIDS WOULD BE BETTER
  • 00:21:42.030 --> 00:21:43.010
  • OFF.
  • 00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:43.260
  • YOUR HUSBAND WOULD BE BETTER
  • 00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:44.170
  • OFF.
  • 00:21:44.170 --> 00:21:45.160
  • AND THE VOICES WOULDN'T STOP
  • 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:46.060
  • AND LEAVE ME ALONE, SO I PICKED
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  • UP THE REMOTE AND I TURNED THE
  • 00:21:47.060 --> 00:21:48.080
  • TV ON.
  • 00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:50.220
  • AND I WAS FLIPPING THROUGH THE
  • 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:51.150
  • CHANNEL.
  • 00:21:51.150 --> 00:21:53.120
  • AND, ALL OF A SUDDEN, I SAW
  • 00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:54.290
  • THIS WOMAN WITH PINK HAIR!
  • 00:21:55.030 --> 00:21:58.030
  • SHE HAD PINK HAIR AND THE
  • 00:21:58.030 --> 00:21:58.220
  • LONGEST EYELASHES I'VE EVER
  • 00:21:58.220 --> 00:22:01.090
  • SEEN!
  • 00:22:01.090 --> 00:22:02.090
  • AND AT THAT MOMENT, SHE SAID:
  • 00:22:02.090 --> 00:22:05.000
  • SOMEONE IS DEALING WITH THE
  • 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:06.140
  • SPIRIT AND IT'S TRYING TO KILL
  • 00:22:06.190 --> 00:22:09.190
  • YOU, A SPIRIT OF DEPRESSION.
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  • I BIND IT AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA
  • 00:22:11.280 --> 00:22:12.190
  • DIE.
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  • CALL OUT TO JESUS.
  • 00:22:14.120 --> 00:22:15.100
  • JUST CALL OUT TO JESUS AND
  • 00:22:15.100 --> 00:22:16.180
  • HE'LL HELP YOU."
  • 00:22:16.180 --> 00:22:18.180
  • WHILE SHE WAS SAYING THAT, I
  • 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:20.160
  • HEARD THIS VOICE SAID, CALL TO
  • 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.120
  • THE GOD OF YOUR MOTHER."
  • 00:22:22.120 --> 00:22:24.260
  • I SAID, "GOD, IF YOU ARE REALLY
  • 00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:26.070
  • THE GOD THAT THEY SAY YOU ARE,
  • 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:29.140
  • I NEED YOU AND I NEED YOU NOW."
  • 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:32.130
  • I FELT A PRESENCE CAME INTO MY
  • 00:22:32.130 --> 00:22:33.090
  • ROOM.
  • 00:22:33.090 --> 00:22:35.120
  • AND, IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY WAS
  • 00:22:37.210 --> 00:22:40.210
  • OVER MY HEAD DOING PHYSICAL
  • 00:22:40.210 --> 00:22:41.140
  • BATTLE.
  • 00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:42.000
  • AND I KNEW THAT I WAS THE ONE
  • 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.120
  • THAT THEY WERE FIGHTING ABOUT.
  • 00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:44.280
  • AND IT WAS SO INTENSE.
  • 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:47.170
  • I COULDN'T SEE IT WITH MY
  • 00:22:47.170 --> 00:22:50.060
  • NATURAL EYE BUT I COULD HEAR IT
  • 00:22:50.060 --> 00:22:52.020
  • -- THE RUMBLING AND THE ROARING
  • 00:22:52.020 --> 00:22:52.240
  • OF THE BATTLE.
  • 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.230
  • WHEN IT WAS OVER, THIS VOICE OF
  • 00:22:55.230 --> 00:22:58.130
  • AUTHORITY SAID, "HEAVEN HAS
  • 00:22:58.130 --> 00:22:59.120
  • WON."
  • 00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:00.280
  • AND THIS SENSE OF OVERWHELMING
  • 00:23:00.280 --> 00:23:02.080
  • LOVE FILLED MY ROOM.
  • 00:23:02.230 --> 00:23:05.230
  • I WAS ALSO IN THE PRESENCE OF A
  • 00:23:05.230 --> 00:23:08.000
  • LOVING GOD AND HE DID WHAT
  • 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:08.190
  • NEEDED TO BE DONE TO SAVE MY
  • 00:23:08.190 --> 00:23:11.050
  • LIFE.
  • 00:23:11.050 --> 00:23:13.140
  • [MUSIC LIGHTENS, BECOMES
  • 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:14.230
  • "HOPEFUL" IN TONE]
  • 00:23:14.230 --> 00:23:15.190
  • THE PARTNERS OF TBN, LIKE THE
  • 00:23:15.190 --> 00:23:16.210
  • LITTLE MOM THAT GAVE A DOLLAR
  • 00:23:16.210 --> 00:23:17.260
  • HERE, OR THE LITTLE GRANDMAMA
  • 00:23:17.260 --> 00:23:19.050
  • THAT, YOU KNOW, SOWED A
  • 00:23:19.050 --> 00:23:20.240
  • SEED -- YOU'RE LOOKING AT
  • 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:21.240
  • YOUR INTEREST TODAY.
  • 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.250
  • I'M THE INTEREST OF ALL THE
  • 00:23:23.250 --> 00:23:25.060
  • LOVE AND THE COMPASSION THAT
  • 00:23:25.060 --> 00:23:27.180
  • YOU'VE SOWED INTO TBN.
  • 00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:28.240
  • I'M IN THE ROOM ABOUT TO COMMIT
  • 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:31.110
  • SUICIDE.
  • 00:23:31.110 --> 00:23:33.070
  • BUT TBN WAS THERE THROUGH
  • 00:23:33.140 --> 00:23:36.140
  • MAMA JAN AT THE TIME WHEN I
  • 00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:38.020
  • NEEDED THEM THE MOST.
  • 00:23:38.020 --> 00:23:40.060
  • AND HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR TBN AND
  • 00:23:40.060 --> 00:23:41.230
  • MAMA JAN, I WOULDN'T BE SITTIN'
  • 00:23:41.230 --> 00:23:42.220
  • HERE.
  • 00:23:42.220 --> 00:23:44.120
  • THEY ALWAYS SAY, "MAMA V,
  • 00:23:44.120 --> 00:23:45.230
  • YOU'RE ALWAYS SINGING AND
  • 00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:47.170
  • YOU'RE ALWAYS HAPPY.'
  • 00:23:47.170 --> 00:23:49.160
  • AND I TELL THEM, "YOU CAN'T
  • 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.150
  • HELP BUT TO BE HAPPY WHEN YOU
  • 00:23:51.150 --> 00:23:52.190
  • SERVE OUR GOD."
  • 00:23:52.190 --> 00:23:54.090
  • THIS ENEMY THAT WE ARE DEALING
  • 00:23:54.090 --> 00:23:56.110
  • WITH IS NOT AN ENEMY THAT CANNOT
  • 00:23:56.110 --> 00:23:58.210
  • CALL OUT TO GOD, THE ONE THAT
  • 00:24:01.050 --> 00:24:02.150
  • WILL COME IN AND DO BATTLE FOR
  • 00:24:02.150 --> 00:24:03.240
  • - MATT: WE ARE ALL NEEDING TO
  • 00:24:08.230 --> 00:24:11.230
  • BE DRIVEN BY ETERNITY.
  • 00:24:11.230 --> 00:24:14.070
  • AND WHAT AN AMAZING JOURNEY
  • 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:18.120
  • OVER 44 YEARS THAT THIS NETWORK
  • 00:24:18.270 --> 00:24:21.270
  • AND THE TBN FAMILY OF NETWORKS
  • 00:24:21.270 --> 00:24:24.240
  • GO AROUND THE WORLD IN MANY
  • 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.120
  • DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AROUND THE
  • 00:24:26.120 --> 00:24:27.090
  • WORLD.
  • 00:24:27.090 --> 00:24:29.030
  • AND BECAUSE OF YOUR LOVE, LIVES
  • 00:24:29.030 --> 00:24:30.080
  • LIKE THAT ARE CHANGED.
  • 00:24:30.080 --> 00:24:31.130
  • - LAURIE: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:24:31.130 --> 00:24:33.000
  • - MATT: AND WE ARE ALL
  • 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:33.240
  • WANTING TO KNOW ABOUT
  • 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.100
  • "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY."
  • 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:37.250
  • - LAURIE: WELL, ALL I KNOW IS
  • 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:38.160
  • THAT WE DON'T WANNA GET THIS
  • 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:39.080
  • WRONG.
  • 00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:42.070
  • BECAUSE, WE ONLY HAVE...
  • 00:24:42.070 --> 00:24:43.140
  • - JOHN: (WHISPER) ONE CHANCE.
  • 00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:44.050
  • - LAURIE: ...ONE CHANCE.
  • 00:24:44.050 --> 00:24:45.000
  • - JOHN: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.160
  • - LAURIE: SO, UM...SO, HOW DO
  • 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.150
  • WE BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I
  • 00:24:51.150 --> 00:24:53.290
  • DO TOMORROW, ABOUT HOW TO TAKE
  • 00:24:53.290 --> 00:24:56.100
  • THIS SERIOUSLY THAT MY
  • 00:24:56.100 --> 00:24:58.160
  • DECISIONS-- THAT WHAT I DO
  • 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.250
  • TOMORROW AFFECTS MY ETERN-- HOW
  • 00:25:00.270 --> 00:25:03.270
  • DO WE-- WHAT DO WE DO TODAY FOR
  • 00:25:03.270 --> 00:25:05.160
  • OUR TOMORROW?
  • 00:25:06.140 --> 00:25:09.140
  • - JOHN: YOU KNOW, WHEN I
  • 00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:10.180
  • LOOKED AT ALL-- REMEMBER I SAID
  • 00:25:10.180 --> 00:25:12.080
  • I GOT THAT REAL THICK NOTEBOOK
  • 00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:13.070
  • OF SCRIPTURES?
  • 00:25:13.070 --> 00:25:14.200
  • - JOHN: LAURIE, I'M SITTING
  • 00:25:17.030 --> 00:25:17.230
  • THERE AND I REALIZE THERE'S TWO
  • 00:25:17.230 --> 00:25:18.180
  • MAJOR AREAS I CAN SEE THAT
  • 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.190
  • WE'RE GONNA BE EXAMINED BY
  • 00:25:19.190 --> 00:25:22.110
  • JESUS, AS CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:25:22.110 --> 00:25:24.030
  • AREA NUMBER ONE IS OUR
  • 00:25:24.030 --> 00:25:25.220
  • INVOLVEMENT IN BUILDING THE
  • 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:26.120
  • KINGDOM OF GOD, IN REGARD TO
  • 00:25:26.120 --> 00:25:28.160
  • OUR GIFTS, OUR CALLINGS, OKAY?
  • 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:30.180
  • THE OTHER AREA HE'S GONNA LOOK
  • 00:25:32.280 --> 00:25:34.190
  • AT US IS HOW DO WE INFLUENCE,
  • 00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:37.100
  • HOW DO WE BUILD PEOPLE'S LIVES?
  • 00:25:37.100 --> 00:25:40.000
  • SO, WHAT I MEAN BY BUILD IS:
  • 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.170
  • HOW DO WE INFLUENCE THE WAITER,
  • 00:25:41.170 --> 00:25:42.230
  • HOW DO WE INFLUENCE OUR
  • 00:25:42.230 --> 00:25:44.190
  • CHILDREN, HOW DO WE INFLUENCE
  • 00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:45.130
  • THE PEOPLE WE WORK WITH?
  • 00:25:45.130 --> 00:25:46.010
  • I HAVE A STORY IN THE BOOK OF A
  • 00:25:46.150 --> 00:25:49.150
  • PAPER-MILL JANITOR WHO HAS
  • 00:25:49.150 --> 00:25:51.190
  • IMPACTED MILLIONS OF LIVES.
  • 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.160
  • AND I LITERALLY-- IT WAS
  • 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.200
  • AMAZING HOW GOD WAS ABLE TO
  • 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.050
  • SHOW ME HOW HIM AFFECTING ONE
  • 00:26:00.050 --> 00:26:03.020
  • MAN AND ANOTHER ENDED UP BEING
  • 00:26:03.020 --> 00:26:04.230
  • MILLIONS.
  • 00:26:04.230 --> 00:26:07.060
  • AND THE MAN HE AFFECTED --
  • 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.000
  • HIS-- NOW I'M GONNA SAY IT FROM
  • 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:11.220
  • MEMORY -- IT'S ACCURATE IN THE
  • 00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:12.200
  • BOOK -- ALL OF HIS BROTHERS,
  • 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.020
  • WHICH WAS SIX, ENDED UP IN
  • 00:26:14.020 --> 00:26:15.270
  • INSANE ASYLUMS.
  • 00:26:15.270 --> 00:26:17.160
  • - LAURIE: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.050
  • - JOHN: HIS FATHER WAS SHOT BY
  • 00:26:18.050 --> 00:26:18.290
  • ANOTHER MAN, HIS GRANDFATHER
  • 00:26:18.290 --> 00:26:20.100
  • WAS SHOT BY ANOTHER MAN, HIS
  • 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:21.210
  • MOTHER IS IN AN INSANE ASYLUM.
  • 00:26:21.260 --> 00:26:24.260
  • THIS MAN HAS AN ACCOUNTING FIRM
  • 00:26:24.260 --> 00:26:26.250
  • WITH 10.000-- OVER 10.000
  • 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.200
  • CLIENTS.
  • 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.230
  • HE HAS LED HUNDREDS OF THEM TO
  • 00:26:32.230 --> 00:26:34.170
  • THE LORD.
  • 00:26:34.170 --> 00:26:36.200
  • HE GREATLY IMPACTED MY LIFE.
  • 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:37.250
  • AND I NOW HAVE TOUCHED AND
  • 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:38.250
  • IMPACTED MILLIONS.
  • 00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:40.100
  • - LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:41.080
  • - JOHN: THAT ONE PAPER-MILL
  • 00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:44.040
  • JANITOR HAS EFFECTIVELY
  • 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:45.100
  • IMPACTED.
  • 00:26:45.100 --> 00:26:47.280
  • AND GOD, I BELIEVE, DOES THIS
  • 00:26:47.280 --> 00:26:48.190
  • FOR EVERYONE...
  • 00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:49.130
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:49.290
  • - JOHN: ...IF WE WALK OUT WHAT
  • 00:26:49.290 --> 00:26:50.210
  • HE'S CREATED US TO DO.
  • 00:26:50.210 --> 00:26:52.020
  • SO, THE ONE THAT REALLY
  • 00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:55.060
  • INTRIGUES ME THE MOST IS OUR
  • 00:26:55.060 --> 00:26:56.070
  • INVOLVEMENT IN BUILDING THE
  • 00:26:56.070 --> 00:26:57.060
  • KINGDOM OF GOD IN REGARD TO
  • 00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:00.200
  • OUR GIFTS AND OUR CALLINGS.
  • 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:01.150
  • I LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF US.
  • 00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:04.060
  • EVERY HUMAN BEING, EVERY ONE OF
  • 00:27:04.060 --> 00:27:05.260
  • US HAS A CALL ON OUR LIFE.
  • 00:27:06.260 --> 00:27:09.260
  • WE ERRONEOUSLY THINK
  • 00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:12.190
  • BILLY GRAHAM HAS A CALL.
  • 00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:13.130
  • - MATT: HMMH.
  • 00:27:13.130 --> 00:27:15.070
  • - JOHN: OKAY?
  • 00:27:15.070 --> 00:27:15.200
  • PAUL AND JAN CROUCH HAD A CALL.
  • 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.150
  • WE THINK OF MISSIONARIES HAVING
  • 00:27:17.150 --> 00:27:19.090
  • A CALL.
  • 00:27:19.090 --> 00:27:19.190
  • WE THINK OF A DARLENE ZSCHECH
  • 00:27:19.190 --> 00:27:20.100
  • OR A JOEL, YOU KNOW, A JOEL--
  • 00:27:20.100 --> 00:27:22.290
  • A HOUSTON HAVING A CALL.
  • 00:27:24.030 --> 00:27:27.030
  • WE LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE AND SAY
  • 00:27:27.030 --> 00:27:27.250
  • THEY HAVE A CALL ON THEIR LIFE
  • 00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:28.160
  • BUT I'M JUST HERE TO EXIST.
  • 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.280
  • WELL, RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:27:29.280 --> 00:27:31.080
  • UNDERSTANDING LIFE.
  • 00:27:31.270 --> 00:27:34.270
  • GOD WROTE EVERY ONE OF OUR
  • 00:27:34.270 --> 00:27:35.260
  • STORIES BEFORE ANY OF US WERE
  • 00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:36.170
  • BORN.
  • 00:27:36.170 --> 00:27:38.110
  • THIS IS AMAZING WHEN YOU THINK
  • 00:27:38.110 --> 00:27:39.060
  • ABOUT IT.
  • 00:27:39.060 --> 00:27:39.200
  • I MEAN, JESUS HIMSELF IS CALLED
  • 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.000
  • THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE
  • 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.240
  • FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.140
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:44.240
  • - JOHN: DAVID MADE THE
  • 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.120
  • COMMENT, HE SAID: EVERY DAY OF
  • 00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:48.080
  • MY LIFE WAS RECORDED IN A BOOK
  • 00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:49.230
  • BEFORE I WAS BORN.
  • 00:27:49.230 --> 00:27:50.120
  • EVERY MOMENT WAS WRITTEN IN
  • 00:27:50.120 --> 00:27:52.100
  • THAT BOOK BEFORE A SINGLE DAY
  • 00:27:52.100 --> 00:27:53.180
  • BEGAN.
  • 00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:54.230
  • NOW, LET ME GO BACK TO-- LET ME
  • 00:27:54.230 --> 00:27:55.220
  • REVERT BACK TO THAT BY AFTER--
  • 00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:58.080
  • BY LOOKING AT WHAT PAUL SAYS IN
  • 00:27:58.080 --> 00:27:59.000
  • THE NEW TESTAMENT.
  • 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.120
  • PAUL SAYS WE ARE HIS
  • 00:28:00.120 --> 00:28:01.120
  • WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST
  • 00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:02.230
  • JESUS TO DO.
  • 00:28:02.230 --> 00:28:04.140
  • SO, NOT ONLY ARE WE CREATED TO
  • 00:28:04.220 --> 00:28:07.220
  • BE A CHILD OF GOD, A SON OR
  • 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:09.250
  • DAUGHTER OF GOD, WE WERE
  • 00:28:09.250 --> 00:28:10.160
  • EQUALLY CREATED TO DO
  • 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.150
  • SOMETHING.
  • 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.240
  • HE SAID TO DO GOOD WORKS,
  • 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.290
  • WHICH GOD ORDAINED FROM
  • 00:28:18.290 --> 00:28:19.170
  • THE FOUNDATION-- OR GOD
  • 00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:20.050
  • PREPARED BEFORE HIM THAT WE
  • 00:28:20.050 --> 00:28:21.130
  • SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
  • 00:28:21.130 --> 00:28:23.070
  • NOTICE HE DIDN'T SAY WE WOULD
  • 00:28:23.070 --> 00:28:24.160
  • WALK IN THEM.
  • 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.180
  • HE SAID WE SHOULD.
  • 00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:26.250
  • NOW, GOD PREPARED WHAT HE
  • 00:28:26.250 --> 00:28:29.010
  • CALLED US TO BEFOREHAND.
  • 00:28:29.010 --> 00:28:29.190
  • SEE, PAUL MADE A STATEMENT.
  • 00:28:29.230 --> 00:28:32.230
  • HE SAID: RUN YOUR RACE IN SUCH
  • 00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:34.070
  • A WAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA WIN THE
  • 00:28:34.070 --> 00:28:35.030
  • PRIZE.
  • 00:28:35.030 --> 00:28:35.280
  • NOW, IF ANYBODY'S EVER RUN
  • 00:28:37.060 --> 00:28:40.060
  • CROSS COUNTRY TRACK, THEY KNOW
  • 00:28:40.060 --> 00:28:41.100
  • IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN IN THAT
  • 00:28:41.100 --> 00:28:43.010
  • MEET, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE
  • 00:28:43.010 --> 00:28:43.240
  • ROUTE.
  • 00:28:43.270 --> 00:28:46.270
  • BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE
  • 00:28:46.270 --> 00:28:47.180
  • ROUTE, YOU'LL START RUNNING,
  • 00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:48.080
  • AND YOU WILL RUN, AND
  • 00:28:48.080 --> 00:28:49.200
  • YOU WILL RUN, AND YOU WILL RUN,
  • 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.160
  • AND THE SUN WILL SET, AND YOU
  • 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:52.070
  • WILL RUN UNTIL YOU FALL OVER
  • 00:28:52.070 --> 00:28:53.010
  • AND THEY CARRY YOU HOME.
  • 00:28:53.010 --> 00:28:54.160
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.020
  • BUT YOU WON'T FINISH!
  • 00:28:56.020 --> 00:28:56.280
  • WHY WON'T YOU FINISH?
  • 00:28:56.280 --> 00:28:57.150
  • 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOUR
  • 00:28:57.150 --> 00:28:58.080
  • ROUTE.
  • 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.200
  • SO, THE ONLY WAY PAUL
  • 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:04.070
  • COULD SAY, "RUN YOUR RACE IN
  • 00:29:04.070 --> 00:29:04.270
  • SUCH A WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
  • 00:29:04.270 --> 00:29:05.190
  • WIN THE PRIZE," IS IF WE KNOW
  • 00:29:05.190 --> 00:29:06.120
  • OUR ROUTE.
  • 00:29:06.120 --> 00:29:07.010
  • PAUL SAID, "I FINISHED MY
  • 00:29:07.010 --> 00:29:07.290
  • RACE."
  • 00:29:07.290 --> 00:29:10.070
  • JESUS SAID: I FINISHED THE WORK
  • 00:29:10.070 --> 00:29:10.290
  • THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME TO DO.
  • 00:29:10.290 --> 00:29:13.180
  • SOMEBODY SAYS: "YEAH, BUT
  • 00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:14.070
  • THAT'S JESUS.
  • 00:29:14.070 --> 00:29:15.060
  • HE WAS, LIKE, BORN KNOWING WHAT
  • 00:29:15.060 --> 00:29:16.020
  • TO DO."
  • 00:29:16.020 --> 00:29:16.170
  • NO, HE HAD TO SEEK THE WILL OF
  • 00:29:16.170 --> 00:29:18.290
  • HIM WHO SENT HIM.
  • 00:29:18.290 --> 00:29:19.210
  • HE CONSTANTLY SAID THAT.
  • 00:29:19.210 --> 00:29:21.060
  • HE WASN'T BORN WITH PRIVILEGES
  • 00:29:21.060 --> 00:29:22.040
  • THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
  • 00:29:22.040 --> 00:29:22.250
  • SO, - WE HAVE BEEN PUT ON THIS
  • 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.160
  • EARTH FOR A PURPOSE.
  • 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.040
  • AND THAT PURPOSE IS SEEN OVER
  • 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:31.220
  • THE ENTIRE SPAN OF ETERNITY.
  • 00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:34.110
  • THAT'S WHAT'S SO AMAZING ABOUT
  • 00:29:34.110 --> 00:29:35.020
  • IT.
  • 00:29:35.020 --> 00:29:36.110
  • SO, WHEN DAVID COMES ALONG AND
  • 00:29:36.110 --> 00:29:37.190
  • SAYS, "YOU SAW ME BEFORE WAS
  • 00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:38.270
  • BORN; EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE WAS
  • 00:29:38.270 --> 00:29:40.050
  • RECORDED IN YOUR BOOK," EVERY
  • 00:29:40.050 --> 00:29:41.240
  • MOMENT WAS RECORDED IN THAT
  • 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.040
  • BOOK BEFORE A SINGLE DAY BEGAN.
  • 00:29:43.040 --> 00:29:44.290
  • WE NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD
  • 00:29:44.290 --> 00:29:47.140
  • DOES.
  • 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:47.290
  • HE SAID: I AM THE GOD WHO SEES
  • 00:29:47.290 --> 00:29:50.190
  • THE END FROM THE BEGINNING.
  • 00:29:50.190 --> 00:29:52.020
  • 'CAUSE I WROTE THE WHOLE THING
  • 00:29:52.020 --> 00:29:53.260
  • OUT, HOW I WANT IT TO GO, AND
  • 00:29:53.260 --> 00:29:55.200
  • THEN WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND
  • 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.250
  • START IT.
  • 00:29:56.250 --> 00:29:57.260
  • THAT'S WHY JESUS IS CALLED THE
  • 00:29:57.260 --> 00:29:58.170
  • LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATIONS
  • 00:29:58.170 --> 00:29:59.180
  • OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:29:59.180 --> 00:30:00.040
  • SO, YOU'RE NOT HERE BY AN
  • 00:30:00.040 --> 00:30:01.060
  • ACCIDENT.
  • 00:30:01.060 --> 00:30:03.020
  • YOU WEREN'T BORN BECAUSE TWO
  • 00:30:03.020 --> 00:30:05.290
  • PEOPLE GOT PASSIONATE IN THE
  • 00:30:05.290 --> 00:30:07.170
  • BACK SEAT OF A CAR.
  • 00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:10.090
  • YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE GOD WILLED
  • 00:30:10.090 --> 00:30:11.210
  • FOR YOU TO BE HERE.
  • 00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:12.070
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:30:12.070 --> 00:30:13.000
  • - JOHN: AND GOD HAS A PLAN FOR
  • 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:13.220
  • YOU.
  • 00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:14.080
  • - LAURIE: AMEN.
  • 00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:15.050
  • - JOHN: AND THAT PLAN JUST
  • 00:30:15.050 --> 00:30:16.100
  • DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE: WELL,
  • 00:30:16.100 --> 00:30:17.130
  • JUST EXIST AND GET BY AND JUST
  • 00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:18.200
  • MAKE YOUR HOUSE PAYMENTS.
  • 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.250
  • IT'S AN ETERNAL PLAN.
  • 00:30:20.250 --> 00:30:22.180
  • IT'S-- IT'S GOT EFFECTS THAT
  • 00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:25.070
  • ETERNITY.
  • 00:30:25.070 --> 00:30:27.220
  • BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HERE BUILDING,
  • 00:30:27.220 --> 00:30:28.260
  • LITERALLY, THE HOUSE THAT GOD'S
  • 00:30:28.260 --> 00:30:29.180
  • GONNA DWELL IN FOREVER AND
  • 00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:30.070
  • EVER.
  • 00:30:30.070 --> 00:30:30.190
  • - MATT: MMH.
  • 00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:31.090
  • - JOHN: GOD'S BUILDING HIMSELF
  • 00:30:31.090 --> 00:30:32.010
  • A CUSTOM HOME.
  • 00:30:32.010 --> 00:30:33.220
  • AND HE CALLED IT ZION, ALL
  • 00:30:33.220 --> 00:30:34.150
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:30:34.150 --> 00:30:36.010
  • AND, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN
  • 00:30:36.010 --> 00:30:37.060
  • LISA AND I HAD THE PRIVILEGE--
  • 00:30:37.060 --> 00:30:38.140
  • ONE TIME, A GUY GOT REALLY
  • 00:30:38.140 --> 00:30:40.010
  • MINISTERED TO BY THE BAIT OF
  • 00:30:40.010 --> 00:30:42.150
  • SATAN.
  • 00:30:42.150 --> 00:30:43.070
  • AND HE WAS THE BEST CUSTOM-HOME
  • 00:30:43.070 --> 00:30:43.290
  • BUILDER IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA AND
  • 00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:44.210
  • HE SAID, "I WANNA BUILD YOU A
  • 00:30:44.210 --> 00:30:45.130
  • CUSTOM HOME."
  • 00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:45.260
  • I REMEMBER WHEN HE LAID OUT
  • 00:30:45.260 --> 00:30:46.290
  • THAT PAPER AND SAID, "DRAW YOUR
  • 00:30:46.290 --> 00:30:48.090
  • DREAM HOUSE," LISA AND I WENT
  • 00:30:48.090 --> 00:30:49.060
  • NUTS.
  • 00:30:49.060 --> 00:30:50.250
  • AND THEN, WHEN WE WENT TO THE
  • 00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:51.160
  • JOBSITE...
  • 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:52.120
  • [LAURIE GIGGLES]
  • 00:30:52.120 --> 00:30:52.290
  • ...WE NOTICED HE NEVER CAME AND
  • 00:30:52.290 --> 00:30:53.210
  • NAILED ONE NAIL.
  • 00:30:53.210 --> 00:30:55.220
  • HE DIDN'T LAY ONE BRICK.
  • 00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.240
  • ALL THE SUBCONTRACTORS DID IT.
  • 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.120
  • GOD'S THE HOMEBUILDER OF HIS
  • 00:31:00.120 --> 00:31:01.170
  • HOME THAT HE'S GONNA SPEND
  • 00:31:01.170 --> 00:31:03.030
  • ETERNITY IN.
  • 00:31:03.030 --> 00:31:03.190
  • IT'S CALLED ZION.
  • 00:31:03.190 --> 00:31:04.290
  • HE SAID: I'VE DESIRED THIS
  • 00:31:04.290 --> 00:31:06.000
  • PLACE THAT I'M GONNA LIVE IN.
  • 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.040
  • BUT WE'RE THE SUBCONTRACTORS
  • 00:31:07.040 --> 00:31:09.210
  • THAT ARE BUILDING HIS HOME.
  • 00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:13.170
  • DO YOU KNOW,
  • 00:31:13.170 --> 00:31:14.030
  • ALL THE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO
  • 00:31:14.030 --> 00:31:14.240
  • COME TO THIS HOME OF HIS CALLED
  • 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.190
  • ZION.
  • 00:31:15.190 --> 00:31:16.040
  • AND IT'S A BIG HOME.
  • 00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:17.060
  • IT'S 1500 MILES BY 1500 MILES.
  • 00:31:17.060 --> 00:31:18.150
  • ALL THE UNIVERSE IS GONNA COME
  • 00:31:18.150 --> 00:31:19.160
  • IN.
  • 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.180
  • ALL RULERSHIP, ALL LEADERSHIP
  • 00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:22.110
  • THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE
  • 00:31:22.110 --> 00:31:23.270
  • IS GONNA COME IN AND OUT OF
  • 00:31:23.270 --> 00:31:25.080
  • THIS CITY CALLED ZION THAT'S
  • 00:31:25.260 --> 00:31:28.260
  • GONNA BE LOCATED WHERE
  • 00:31:28.260 --> 00:31:29.130
  • JERUSALEM IS RIGHT NOW, OVER
  • 00:31:29.130 --> 00:31:30.030
  • THERE IN ISRAEL.
  • 00:31:30.030 --> 00:31:31.280
  • AND, PEOPLE WILL COME AND THEY
  • 00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:34.050
  • WILL SEE THIS MAGNIFICENT HOUSE
  • 00:31:34.050 --> 00:31:35.080
  • THAT GOD LIVES IN THAT IS MADE
  • 00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:36.150
  • UP OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:31:36.150 --> 00:31:39.150
  • BECAUSE PETER SAID WE'RE LIVING
  • 00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:40.080
  • STONES.
  • 00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:40.240
  • JESUS IS THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE
  • 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.090
  • OF THIS HOUSE THAT GOD'S
  • 00:31:42.090 --> 00:31:42.270
  • BUILDING FOR HIMSELF.
  • 00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:46.150
  • HE WANTS TO DWELL WITHIN US
  • 00:31:46.150 --> 00:31:48.000
  • AND HE'S USING US FIGURATIVELY
  • 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.060
  • AS SAYING: YOU'RE MY
  • 00:31:50.060 --> 00:31:51.080
  • BUILDING MATERIALS.
  • 00:31:51.080 --> 00:31:53.160
  • I WANT YOU TO JUST STOP AND
  • 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:54.070
  • THINK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:31:54.070 --> 00:31:55.000
  • LET'S SAY THAT...LET'S SAY THAT
  • 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.090
  • SOME YOUNG KIDS ARE GOIN' ON A
  • 00:31:57.090 --> 00:31:58.000
  • SCHOOL TRIP.
  • 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.250
  • WHAT DO YOU CALL IT?
  • 00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:01.160
  • YOU KNOW--
  • 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.000
  • - LAURIE: FIELDTRIP.
  • 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:03.140
  • - JOHN: A FIELDTRIP.
  • 00:32:03.140 --> 00:32:05.180
  • AND, THEY'RE GONNA GO SEE THE
  • 00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:06.090
  • 700 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
  • 00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:07.060
  • THEY'RE GONNA GO SEE THE WHITE
  • 00:32:07.060 --> 00:32:07.270
  • HOUSE.
  • 00:32:07.270 --> 00:32:09.150
  • AND THIS LITTLE BOY COMES HOME
  • 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:10.170
  • AND HE GOES: "WE'RE GONNA GO ON
  • 00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:11.130
  • A FIELDTRIP!
  • 00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:12.260
  • DAD, DO YOU WANNA COME?"
  • 00:32:12.260 --> 00:32:13.220
  • AND THIS DAD HAPPENED TO BE THE
  • 00:32:13.220 --> 00:32:15.120
  • PLUMBER THAT WORKED ON THE
  • 00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:16.090
  • WHITE HOUSE.
  • 00:32:16.090 --> 00:32:18.290
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THAT DAD
  • 00:32:18.290 --> 00:32:20.070
  • WILL GO THROUGH WHEN THAT KID
  • 00:32:20.070 --> 00:32:22.030
  • IS LOOKING AT THIS CLASSMATES
  • 00:32:22.030 --> 00:32:23.160
  • GOING, "MY DAD HELPED BUILD
  • 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.060
  • THAT HOUSE!"
  • 00:32:24.060 --> 00:32:26.000
  • THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO BE
  • 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:26.280
  • DESTROYED ONE DAY.
  • 00:32:26.280 --> 00:32:27.180
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:28.210
  • - JOHN: BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE
  • 00:32:28.210 --> 00:32:29.110
  • WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE
  • 00:32:29.110 --> 00:32:30.000
  • THROUGHOUT ETERNITY?
  • 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.000
  • WHEN PEOPLE COME IN.
  • 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:31.240
  • BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE
  • 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:32.180
  • PEOPLE THAT ARE NATURAL BODIES,
  • 00:32:32.180 --> 00:32:35.020
  • THAT AREN'T GLORIFIED SAINTS.
  • 00:32:35.020 --> 00:32:37.150
  • THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TYPES OF
  • 00:32:37.150 --> 00:32:38.140
  • PEOPLE THAT COME AND SEE THIS
  • 00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:39.070
  • GREAT CITY.
  • 00:32:39.070 --> 00:32:41.100
  • AND YOU SAY, "THERE'S MY PART
  • 00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:42.150
  • IN BUILDING THE CITY, THERE'S
  • 00:32:42.150 --> 00:32:43.220
  • MY PART IN BUILDING THE CITY."
  • 00:32:43.220 --> 00:32:45.030
  • WE'RE DOING IT ALL RIGHT NOW
  • 00:32:45.030 --> 00:32:47.060
  • HERE IN THIS LIFE.
  • 00:32:47.060 --> 00:32:48.100
  • THAT'S WHAT'S SO AMAZING.
  • 00:32:48.100 --> 00:32:49.050
  • - LAURIE: WOW.
  • 00:32:49.050 --> 00:32:49.270
  • - MATT: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:32:49.270 --> 00:32:50.170
  • "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY."
  • 00:32:50.170 --> 00:32:52.240
  • JOHN, NOT ONLY ARE YOU AN
  • 00:32:55.040 --> 00:32:56.110
  • AUTHOR -- 19 BOOKS -- THIS IS
  • 00:32:56.110 --> 00:32:58.290
  • YOUR NUMBER-ONE-SELLING BOOK.
  • 00:32:58.290 --> 00:33:01.220
  • YOU'RE ALSO A GOOD GOLFER.
  • 00:33:01.220 --> 00:33:03.280
  • I MIGHT ADD THAT.
  • 00:33:03.280 --> 00:33:05.110
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:33:05.110 --> 00:33:07.130
  • "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY"
  • 00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:08.270
  • IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:33:08.270 --> 00:33:10.090
  • WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DIG
  • 00:33:10.090 --> 00:33:11.180
  • INTO THIS.
  • 00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:14.010
  • IN FACT, IN JUST A MINUTE, I
  • 00:33:14.010 --> 00:33:14.210
  • WANT YOU TO PLAY A VERY SPECIAL
  • 00:33:14.210 --> 00:33:17.070
  • ROLL-IN, A PIECE THAT YOU'VE
  • 00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:21.180
  • BROUGHT ON VIDEOTAPE.
  • 00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:22.230
  • AND I WANT YOU TO START KIND OF
  • 00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:24.160
  • PREPARING THE AUDIENCE FOR
  • 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.160
  • THAT.
  • 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.070
  • BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT,
  • 00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:28.030
  • RIGHT NOW, LAURIE AND I AND THE
  • 00:33:28.030 --> 00:33:30.210
  • TBN STAFF AND ALL OF US --
  • 00:33:34.280 --> 00:33:37.280
  • WE'VE COORDINATED FOR THIS BOOK
  • 00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:38.220
  • TO BE, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.220
  • AVAILABLE.
  • 00:33:40.120 --> 00:33:43.120
  • AND THE PEOPLE-- THAT SPECIAL
  • 00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:44.030
  • NUMBER ON THE SCREEN, THE 800
  • 00:33:44.030 --> 00:33:45.130
  • NUMBER, IS CONNECTED RIGHT TO
  • 00:33:45.130 --> 00:33:46.100
  • THE BOOK.
  • 00:33:46.100 --> 00:33:48.280
  • THE OPERATORS KNOW WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:33:48.280 --> 00:33:50.200
  • AND, BY THE WAY, MOST OF YOU
  • 00:33:50.230 --> 00:33:53.230
  • ARE WATCHING THIS BROADCAST
  • 00:33:53.230 --> 00:33:55.290
  • DECEMBER 1, 2016.
  • 00:33:55.290 --> 00:33:57.070
  • MERRY CHRISTMAS.
  • 00:33:57.070 --> 00:33:58.150
  • WE DON'T HAVE THE CHRISTMAS
  • 00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:01.100
  • DECORATIONS UP AND I HOPE--
  • 00:34:01.100 --> 00:34:02.130
  • - LAURIE: WE BETTER HURRY.
  • 00:34:02.130 --> 00:34:03.230
  • - MATT: --THAT YOUR
  • 00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:05.070
  • THANKSGIVING MEAL IS DIGESTED
  • 00:34:05.070 --> 00:34:05.280
  • BY NOW AND ALL THAT.
  • 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:06.190
  • - JOHN: WE DON'T HAVE OURS UP
  • 00:34:07.110 --> 00:34:10.110
  • YET, EITHER.
  • 00:34:10.110 --> 00:34:12.130
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:13.020
  • - MATT: SO, DECEMBER 1, 2016
  • 00:34:13.020 --> 00:34:13.230
  • AND THE OPERATORS ARE READY FOR
  • 00:34:13.230 --> 00:34:14.210
  • YOUR CALL IN REGARD TO "DRIVEN
  • 00:34:14.210 --> 00:34:16.230
  • BY"--
  • 00:34:16.230 --> 00:34:17.110
  • - LAURIE: OKAY...I HAVE A
  • 00:34:17.110 --> 00:34:18.010
  • QUESTION.
  • 00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:18.260
  • - MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:34:18.260 --> 00:34:19.120
  • - LAURIE: OKAY, SO -- SO SORRY
  • 00:34:19.120 --> 00:34:20.190
  • FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T
  • 00:34:20.190 --> 00:34:22.270
  • BELIEVE IN ETERNITY.
  • 00:34:22.270 --> 00:34:23.190
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:34:23.190 --> 00:34:25.160
  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
  • 00:34:25.160 --> 00:34:26.120
  • - LAURIE: THAT DON'T BELIEVE
  • 00:34:26.120 --> 00:34:27.030
  • THAT THERE IS LIFE BEYOND WHAT
  • 00:34:27.030 --> 00:34:27.240
  • WE'RE LIVING TODAY.
  • 00:34:28.140 --> 00:34:31.140
  • SO, LET'S JUST PRETEND THAT,
  • 00:34:31.140 --> 00:34:33.230
  • UM, I HAVE MESSED MY LIFE FOR
  • 00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:35.230
  • ALL THESE YEARS.
  • 00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:38.290
  • HOW DOES GOD REDEEM THAT, JOHN?
  • 00:34:38.290 --> 00:34:41.110
  • - JOHN: IF I'VE MESSED MY LIFE
  • 00:34:41.110 --> 00:34:42.090
  • UP THROUGH ALL THESE YEARS, GOD
  • 00:34:42.090 --> 00:34:43.280
  • CAN ALWAYS REDEEM IT WHEN WE
  • 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.070
  • TURN OUR LIVES TO HIM.
  • 00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:49.000
  • HE CAN DO MUCH WITH LITTLE.
  • 00:34:51.290 --> 00:34:54.290
  • AND SO, HERE'S THE DEAL: IT
  • 00:34:54.290 --> 00:34:56.050
  • DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN
  • 00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:59.240
  • LIFE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:00.260
  • TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE
  • 00:35:00.260 --> 00:35:03.090
  • REST OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU CHOOSE
  • 00:35:03.090 --> 00:35:04.110
  • TO FOLLOW JESUS.
  • 00:35:04.110 --> 00:35:05.070
  • AND HE CAN DO SO MUCH THROUGH
  • 00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:07.050
  • YOU, EVEN IF YOUR LIFE IS VERY
  • 00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:09.070
  • SHORT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'VE
  • 00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:11.260
  • ALREADY LIVED.
  • 00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:13.230
  • AND SO, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
  • 00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:14.230
  • THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT,
  • 00:35:14.230 --> 00:35:15.130
  • THAT GOD WANTS US TO BE
  • 00:35:15.130 --> 00:35:16.090
  • INVOLVED WITH HIM.
  • 00:35:16.090 --> 00:35:18.060
  • HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE ALONE.
  • 00:35:18.060 --> 00:35:19.080
  • HE WANTED A FAMILY.
  • 00:35:19.080 --> 00:35:21.130
  • HE WANTED PEOPLE HE COULD WORK
  • 00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:22.110
  • WITH.
  • 00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:25.160
  • HE WANTED PEOPLE THAT HE COULD
  • 00:35:25.160 --> 00:35:26.070
  • DREAM WITH, THAT HE COULD PLAN
  • 00:35:26.070 --> 00:35:28.090
  • WITH, THAT HE COULD ACCOMPLISH
  • 00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:30.280
  • THINGS WITH.
  • 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:31.230
  • THAT'S WHAT PAUL MEANS WHEN HE
  • 00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:32.200
  • SAYS WE ARE COLABORERS WITH
  • 00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:33.100
  • GOD WANTED THAT.
  • 00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:38.060
  • HE MAKES IT VERY CLEAR HE
  • 00:35:38.060 --> 00:35:39.180
  • DOESN'T NEED US.
  • 00:35:39.180 --> 00:35:42.100
  • BUT HIS PASSIONATE DESIRE IS TO
  • 00:35:42.100 --> 00:35:43.020
  • INCLUDE US IN ALL HIS
  • 00:35:43.020 --> 00:35:44.240
  • MAGNIFICENT WORKS THAT HE DOES.
  • 00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:48.130
  • AND, LAURIE, YOU SAID, "WHAT IF
  • 00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:50.230
  • A PERSON IS CONVINCED THERE'S
  • 00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:51.220
  • NO ETERNITY?"
  • 00:35:51.220 --> 00:35:53.160
  • HERE'S THE DEAL: GOD HAS PLACED
  • 00:35:53.160 --> 00:35:55.260
  • ETERNITY IN OUR HEARTS.
  • 00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.250
  • - LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:35:56.250 --> 00:35:58.070
  • - JOHN: JOB SAID NOBODY CAN
  • 00:35:58.070 --> 00:35:59.000
  • BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND ETERNITY.
  • 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.280
  • MENTALLY, WE CAN'T COMPREHEND
  • 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.260
  • IT.
  • 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:02.130
  • I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:36:02.130 --> 00:36:03.100
  • WHAT'S AT THE END OF THE
  • 00:36:03.100 --> 00:36:04.090
  • UNIVERSE?
  • 00:36:04.090 --> 00:36:04.240
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:05.250
  • - JOHN: IS THERE A WALL?
  • 00:36:05.250 --> 00:36:06.290
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:36:06.290 --> 00:36:07.140
  • WELL, WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE
  • 00:36:07.140 --> 00:36:08.050
  • OF THE WALL?
  • 00:36:08.050 --> 00:36:08.170
  • WOULDN'T THAT BE THE END OF THE
  • 00:36:08.170 --> 00:36:09.090
  • UNIVERSE?
  • 00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:10.070
  • I MEAN, THINK ABOUT A GOD WHO
  • 00:36:10.070 --> 00:36:11.150
  • WAS NEVER BORN, NEVER CREATED,
  • 00:36:11.150 --> 00:36:12.190
  • AND WHO WILL NEVER END.
  • 00:36:12.190 --> 00:36:14.010
  • YOUR MIND JUST GOES COMPLETELY
  • 00:36:14.010 --> 00:36:15.030
  • TILT.
  • 00:36:15.030 --> 00:36:17.230
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:18.130
  • - JOHN: BUT YOU GET IT WITH
  • 00:36:18.130 --> 00:36:19.030
  • YOUR HEART.
  • 00:36:19.030 --> 00:36:19.150
  • THAT'S WHY THE BIBLE SAYS THE
  • 00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:20.080
  • FOOL HAS SAID IN HIS HEART
  • 00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:21.150
  • THERE IS NO GOD.
  • 00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.050
  • THERE'S A LOT OF
  • 00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:24.210
  • SELF-PROCLAIMED ATHEISTS.
  • 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:26.050
  • I REMEMBER I WAS SITTING ON A
  • 00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:27.090
  • PLANE NEXT TO A WOMAN AND I WAS
  • 00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:31.110
  • GETTING READY TO EDIT A BOOK.
  • 00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:32.110
  • I WAS FLYING FROM DENVER TO
  • 00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:33.080
  • HAWAII AND I WAS GONNA SPEAK AT
  • 00:36:33.080 --> 00:36:34.000
  • A CONFERENCE.
  • 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.270
  • AND, I THOUGHT, OH...I AM SO
  • 00:36:35.270 --> 00:36:36.170
  • FAR BEHIND IN EDITING THIS
  • 00:36:36.170 --> 00:36:37.170
  • BOOK, I'M GONNA USE THIS 8-HOUR
  • 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:38.130
  • FLIGHT AND JUST GET THE WHOLE
  • 00:36:38.130 --> 00:36:39.110
  • THING DONE.
  • 00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:42.010
  • AND I SIT NEXT TO THIS TALKER.
  • 00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:43.060
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:43.260
  • OH, MY GOSH!
  • 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.110
  • SHE WILL NOT STOP TALKING TO
  • 00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:45.240
  • ME.
  • 00:36:45.240 --> 00:36:47.090
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:36:47.090 --> 00:36:47.290
  • AND SHE JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND
  • 00:36:47.290 --> 00:36:48.210
  • ON AND ON.
  • 00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:49.100
  • AND I ALMOST GOT A LITTLE RUDE.
  • 00:36:49.100 --> 00:36:51.260
  • WELL, ACTUALLY, I DID AND I
  • 00:36:51.260 --> 00:36:52.160
  • FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.
  • 00:36:52.160 --> 00:36:53.010
  • BUT, I KINDA OPENED MY
  • 00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:53.290
  • COMPUTER.
  • 00:36:53.290 --> 00:36:55.000
  • I WAS, LIKE, GOING, "MM-HMM,
  • 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:55.250
  • MM-HMM, MM-HMM."
  • 00:36:55.250 --> 00:36:56.230
  • AND, I WAS TRYING TO SEND HER
  • 00:36:56.230 --> 00:36:58.090
  • THE MESSAGE OF: I HAVE A LOT OF
  • 00:36:58.090 --> 00:36:59.180
  • WORK TO DO.
  • 00:36:59.180 --> 00:37:00.160
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:01.030
  • - JOHN: BUT SHE DIDN'T STOP
  • 00:37:01.030 --> 00:37:01.230
  • TALKING.
  • 00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:02.030
  • SO, FINALLY, I THOUGHT, THIS
  • 00:37:02.030 --> 00:37:02.260
  • ISN'T GOING TO WORK.
  • 00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:03.150
  • SO, I JUST CLOSED IT AND I JUST
  • 00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:04.070
  • TURNED AND THOUGHT, I'MONA
  • 00:37:04.070 --> 00:37:05.070
  • TALK!
  • 00:37:05.070 --> 00:37:05.270
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:37:05.270 --> 00:37:06.180
  • - JOHN: NOW, SHE WAS A
  • 00:37:06.180 --> 00:37:07.060
  • BEAUTIFUL 35-YEAR-OLD BLONDE
  • 00:37:07.060 --> 00:37:09.000
  • LADY, RIGHT?
  • 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.130
  • AND SHE'S OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY
  • 00:37:11.130 --> 00:37:12.060
  • WEALTHY.
  • 00:37:12.060 --> 00:37:12.230
  • 'CAUSE SHE HAS A HOME IN
  • 00:37:12.230 --> 00:37:13.190
  • TAHITI, A HOME IN HAWAII, A
  • 00:37:13.190 --> 00:37:14.240
  • HOME IN NEW YORK, AND A HOME IN
  • 00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:15.230
  • PARIS.
  • 00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:16.110
  • AND ALL SHE DOES IS PLAY.
  • 00:37:16.110 --> 00:37:18.010
  • AND SHE WAS ON HER WAY TO HER
  • 00:37:18.010 --> 00:37:19.050
  • HOME IN HAWAII.
  • 00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:21.040
  • SO, WE'RE HAVING, ACTUALLY, A
  • 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:22.030
  • LOT OF FUN TALKING.
  • 00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:24.100
  • AND, IT'S ABOUT 35 MINUTES INTO
  • 00:37:24.100 --> 00:37:25.080
  • OUR CONVERSATION.
  • 00:37:25.080 --> 00:37:26.260
  • AND I-- I STARTED TELLING HER
  • 00:37:26.260 --> 00:37:27.170
  • ABOUT JESUS.
  • 00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:27.290
  • AND SHE GOES: "OH, JOHN, JOHN,
  • 00:37:27.290 --> 00:37:28.200
  • JOHN!
  • 00:37:28.200 --> 00:37:28.290
  • BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, YOU
  • 00:37:28.290 --> 00:37:29.200
  • HAVE TO KNOW, I'M A DEVOUT
  • 00:37:29.200 --> 00:37:31.200
  • ATHEIST."
  • 00:37:31.200 --> 00:37:34.120
  • AND BEFORE I COULD EVEN THINK,
  • 00:37:34.120 --> 00:37:35.130
  • I JUST WENT, "OH, COME ON --
  • 00:37:35.130 --> 00:37:36.260
  • YOU ARE WAAAY SMARTER THAN
  • 00:37:36.260 --> 00:37:38.060
  • THAT!"
  • 00:37:38.060 --> 00:37:40.150
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:37:40.150 --> 00:37:41.010
  • AND SHE LOOKED AT ME AND SHE
  • 00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:41.210
  • SAID, "THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I
  • 00:37:41.210 --> 00:37:42.240
  • WAS GONNA SAY TO YOU."
  • 00:37:42.240 --> 00:37:44.280
  • AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS...
  • 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.130
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:37:46.130 --> 00:37:46.290
  • ...I STARTED TO SPEAK AND I
  • 00:37:46.290 --> 00:37:47.190
  • IDENTIFIED WHAT SHE ALREADY
  • 00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:49.190
  • KNEW IN HER HEART.
  • 00:37:49.190 --> 00:37:51.110
  • - LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:37:51.110 --> 00:37:51.270
  • - JOHN: SEE, GOD SAYS HE'S
  • 00:37:51.270 --> 00:37:52.170
  • PLACED THIS KNOWLEDGE IN EVERY
  • 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:53.080
  • SINGLE HUMAN BEING'S HEART.
  • 00:37:53.080 --> 00:37:54.010
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:55.060
  • - JOHN: AND ONLY THE FOOL HAS
  • 00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:55.270
  • COMPLETELY CONVINCED HIS HEART,
  • 00:37:55.270 --> 00:37:57.050
  • HARDENED TO THE HEART-- HIS
  • 00:37:57.050 --> 00:37:58.200
  • HEART TO THE PLACE WHERE HE
  • 00:37:58.200 --> 00:37:59.200
  • SAYS, "THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO
  • 00:37:59.200 --> 00:38:00.120
  • GOD."
  • 00:38:00.120 --> 00:38:00.230
  • MOST ATHEISTS HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO
  • 00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:02.040
  • THAT PLACE YET.
  • 00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:03.250
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 00:38:03.250 --> 00:38:04.170
  • - JOHN: THEY'RE JUST STUPID UP
  • 00:38:04.170 --> 00:38:05.090
  • HERE, OKAY?
  • 00:38:05.090 --> 00:38:05.210
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:38:05.210 --> 00:38:06.110
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:38:06.110 --> 00:38:06.260
  • - JOHN: AND I'M BEING
  • 00:38:06.260 --> 00:38:07.130
  • RESPECTFUL HERE.
  • 00:38:07.130 --> 00:38:07.290
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:38:07.290 --> 00:38:08.210
  • - JOHN: I WAS STUPID UP HERE,
  • 00:38:08.210 --> 00:38:09.130
  • OKAY?
  • 00:38:09.130 --> 00:38:09.280
  • AT ONE POINT.
  • 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.080
  • - LAURIE: WE ALL WERE.
  • 00:38:11.080 --> 00:38:11.260
  • - JOHN: IT'S JUST WHEN YOU CAN
  • 00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:12.290
  • LOOK AT THIS CREATION AND SAY
  • 00:38:12.290 --> 00:38:14.140
  • THERE'S NO GOD, YOU'RE BEING
  • 00:38:14.140 --> 00:38:15.060
  • STUPID AT THAT POINT.
  • 00:38:15.060 --> 00:38:16.200
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:38:16.200 --> 00:38:17.080
  • - JOHN: OKAY?
  • 00:38:17.080 --> 00:38:17.210
  • BECAUSE THIS DECLARES-- THIS
  • 00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:18.190
  • CREATION DECLARES HIS GRACE--
  • 00:38:18.190 --> 00:38:19.290
  • - LAURIE: HIS GLORY.
  • 00:38:19.290 --> 00:38:20.160
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:21.010
  • - JOHN: OKAY?
  • 00:38:21.010 --> 00:38:21.170
  • - LAURIE: YES, IT DOES.
  • 00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:22.070
  • - JOHN: SO...YEAH.
  • 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:23.290
  • I MEAN, YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND
  • 00:38:23.290 --> 00:38:25.180
  • ETERNITY WITH YOUR MIND, BUT I
  • 00:38:25.180 --> 00:38:26.090
  • GUARANTEE YOU EVERYBODY RIGHT
  • 00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:27.260
  • NOW -- THEIR HEART IS COMING
  • 00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:28.240
  • ALIVE.
  • 00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:30.030
  • YOU'RE GOING, "OKAY, WAIT A
  • 00:38:30.030 --> 00:38:30.250
  • MINUTE."
  • 00:38:30.250 --> 00:38:31.130
  • SO, YOU WERE ASKING ME ABOUT--
  • 00:38:31.130 --> 00:38:33.050
  • ABOUT OUR CALLINGS.
  • 00:38:33.100 --> 00:38:36.100
  • AND I GOT WAY OFF TRACK, BUT I
  • 00:38:36.100 --> 00:38:38.010
  • WANNA GET ON THAT TRACK, MATT.
  • 00:38:38.010 --> 00:38:39.150
  • AND LAURIE.
  • 00:38:39.150 --> 00:38:40.160
  • EVERY ONE OF US HAVE A CALLING.
  • 00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:43.230
  • EVERY ONE OF US ARE CREATED TO
  • 00:38:43.230 --> 00:38:44.240
  • DO SOMETHING IN THIS LIFE.
  • 00:38:45.140 --> 00:38:48.140
  • AND, EPHESIANS 2:10 SAYS THAT
  • 00:38:48.140 --> 00:38:49.200
  • HE HAS CREATED US IN CHRIST
  • 00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:50.280
  • TO DO WORKS THAT WE SHOULD
  • 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.090
  • WALK IN, ALL RIGHT?
  • 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:52.250
  • AND THEN, PSALMS -- DAVID SAYS,
  • 00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:55.250
  • "EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE WAS
  • 00:38:55.250 --> 00:38:57.050
  • RECORDED IN YOUR BOOK."
  • 00:38:57.050 --> 00:38:59.210
  • WELL, IF YOU GO OVER TO THE
  • 00:38:59.210 --> 00:39:01.250
  • BOOK OF ECCLESIASTES 3:15, THE
  • 00:39:01.250 --> 00:39:03.100
  • WRITER WRITES THIS: "THAT WHICH
  • 00:39:03.100 --> 00:39:04.230
  • IS HAS ALREADY BEEN."
  • 00:39:04.230 --> 00:39:06.100
  • SO, THAT WHICH IS RIGHT NOW HAS
  • 00:39:06.100 --> 00:39:07.270
  • ALREADY BEEN.
  • 00:39:07.270 --> 00:39:08.120
  • IF YOU GO TO MY BOOK, MATT'S
  • 00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:10.010
  • BOOK, LAURIE'S BOOK, THE BOOK
  • 00:39:10.010 --> 00:39:11.070
  • THAT GOD HAS THAT HE WROTE
  • 00:39:11.070 --> 00:39:12.290
  • ABOUT OUR LIVES, YOU'LL HAVE US
  • 00:39:12.290 --> 00:39:14.110
  • AT THIS POINT IN TIME TALKING
  • 00:39:14.110 --> 00:39:15.290
  • ABOUT HIM IN FRONT OF ALL THESE
  • 00:39:15.290 --> 00:39:16.210
  • WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN THE
  • 00:39:16.210 --> 00:39:17.220
  • AUDIENCE, IN FRONT OF ALL THESE
  • 00:39:17.220 --> 00:39:18.160
  • PEOPLE IN THE TELEVISION
  • 00:39:18.160 --> 00:39:19.120
  • AUDIENCE.
  • 00:39:19.120 --> 00:39:20.030
  • OKAY?
  • 00:39:20.030 --> 00:39:20.210
  • IT'S THERE.
  • 00:39:20.210 --> 00:39:21.150
  • IT'S WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:22.040
  • OKAY?
  • 00:39:22.040 --> 00:39:22.200
  • AND HE SAYS: "...THAT WHICH IS
  • 00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:24.070
  • TO BE," -- THAT'S OUR TOMORROW
  • 00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:25.040
  • -- "HAS ALREADY BEEN."
  • 00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:26.120
  • BUT THAT WHICH IS IN THE PAST,
  • 00:39:26.120 --> 00:39:28.100
  • WE WILL GIVE AN ACCOUNT FOR.
  • 00:39:28.190 --> 00:39:31.190
  • IN OTHER WORDS, DID WE WALK IN
  • 00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:32.240
  • THE LIGHT OF WHAT HE WROTE IN
  • 00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:34.160
  • OUR BOOK OR DID WE GO OUR OWN
  • 00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:35.110
  • WAY?
  • 00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:38.080
  • SO, IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE BOOK
  • 00:39:38.080 --> 00:39:39.240
  • OF DANIEL, IT SAYS THE BOOKS
  • 00:39:39.240 --> 00:39:42.050
  • ARE GONNA BE OPEN AT THE
  • 00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:43.050
  • JUDGMENT.
  • 00:39:43.050 --> 00:39:43.230
  • WHAT ARE THE BOOKS THAT ARE
  • 00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:44.280
  • GONNA BE OPEN?
  • 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:45.230
  • THE BOOKS THAT HE WROTE ABOUT
  • 00:39:45.230 --> 00:39:47.160
  • OUR LIFE.
  • 00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:48.220
  • AND HE'S GONNA SAY: LET'S SEE
  • 00:39:48.220 --> 00:39:49.290
  • HOW YOU LIVED COMPARED TO WHAT
  • 00:39:49.290 --> 00:39:51.120
  • I WROTE ABOUT YOU LIVING.
  • 00:39:51.120 --> 00:39:53.180
  • SO, WHAT THAT TELLS ME
  • 00:39:53.180 --> 00:39:54.220
  • IS THIS: IN REGARD TO OUR
  • 00:39:54.220 --> 00:39:57.090
  • CALLINGS -- NOW, I'M NOT
  • 00:39:57.090 --> 00:39:58.130
  • TALKING ABOUT OUR PERSONAL
  • 00:39:58.130 --> 00:39:59.040
  • INFLUENCE OR THE WAITER AND--
  • 00:39:59.090 --> 00:40:02.090
  • I'M TALKING ABOUT IN HOW WE
  • 00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:02.290
  • BUILD THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
  • 00:40:02.290 --> 00:40:03.180
  • IN REGARD TO OUR CALLINGS,
  • 00:40:03.180 --> 00:40:04.120
  • WE'RE NOT GONNA BE JUDGED
  • 00:40:04.120 --> 00:40:05.010
  • ACCORDING TO WHAT WE DID;
  • 00:40:05.010 --> 00:40:06.200
  • WE'RE GONNA BE JUDGED IN THE
  • 00:40:06.200 --> 00:40:07.240
  • LIGHT OF WHAT WE WERE CALLED TO
  • 00:40:07.240 --> 00:40:08.160
  • DO.
  • 00:40:08.160 --> 00:40:11.080
  • I HAVE A VIDEO THAT ILLUSTRATES
  • 00:40:11.080 --> 00:40:12.000
  • THIS.
  • 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:12.150
  • - MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:14.180
  • THE VIDEO THAT WE'RE GONNA GO
  • 00:40:14.180 --> 00:40:15.250
  • TO IN MINUTE...
  • 00:40:15.250 --> 00:40:16.280
  • - JOHN: YEP.
  • 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:17.150
  • - MATT: ...IS CALLED "WHAT AM
  • 00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:18.210
  • I CALLED TO DO?"
  • 00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:19.210
  • BUT, YOU'RE SETTING IT UP IN A
  • 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.190
  • WAY THAT-- THAT IS ALMOST LIKE
  • 00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:24.030
  • LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD.
  • 00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:26.220
  • NOT EVERYONE IS CALLED TO BE A
  • 00:40:26.220 --> 00:40:29.180
  • MISSIONARY, AND TO TRAVEL, AND
  • 00:40:29.180 --> 00:40:31.210
  • TO DO THIS, AND SPEAK, AND GET
  • 00:40:31.210 --> 00:40:33.000
  • UP IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, AND DO
  • 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:34.130
  • TELEVISION BROADCASTS.
  • 00:40:34.130 --> 00:40:36.220
  • SOME PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO DO
  • 00:40:36.220 --> 00:40:38.250
  • VERY SPECIFIC THINGS, VERY
  • 00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:40.050
  • SIMPLE, LOCALIZED TASKS.
  • 00:40:40.050 --> 00:40:42.250
  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
  • 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:44.160
  • - MATT: AND SO, THE IDEA THAT
  • 00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:45.260
  • WE PUT PEOPLE OR OTHER
  • 00:40:45.260 --> 00:40:48.130
  • MINISTRIES ON A PEDESTAL IS
  • 00:40:48.130 --> 00:40:49.290
  • JUST DEAD WRONG.
  • 00:40:49.290 --> 00:40:51.230
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...RIGHT.
  • 00:40:51.230 --> 00:40:53.010
  • - MATT: SO, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:40:53.010 --> 00:40:53.230
  • TALKING ABOUT -- THAT EVERYONE
  • 00:40:53.230 --> 00:40:55.160
  • HAS SOMETHING THAT SPECIFICALLY
  • 00:40:55.160 --> 00:40:56.260
  • HAS BEEN ASSIGNED FOR THEM TO
  • 00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:57.190
  • DO.
  • 00:40:57.190 --> 00:40:58.090
  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
  • 00:40:58.090 --> 00:40:59.090
  • - MATT: HOW WE ACCOMPLISH THAT
  • 00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:00.080
  • OR THE LACK THEREOF IS THIS
  • 00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:01.200
  • ETERNAL JUDGMENT THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:41:01.230 --> 00:41:04.230
  • TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:05.090
  • - JOHN: WHAT IF THE
  • 00:41:05.090 --> 00:41:06.190
  • PAPER-MILL JANITOR WOULD HAVE
  • 00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:08.110
  • BEEN OUT TRYING TO BE A BILLY
  • 00:41:08.110 --> 00:41:09.020
  • GRAHAM?
  • 00:41:09.020 --> 00:41:09.200
  • HE NEVER WOULD HAVE TOUCHED
  • 00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:10.100
  • MIKE, WHO GREATLY IMPACTED ME.
  • 00:41:14.100 --> 00:41:17.100
  • SO, THAT'S WHAT THIS
  • 00:41:17.100 --> 00:41:18.000
  • VIDEO DEALS WITH.
  • 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:18.280
  • - MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:19.170
  • SO, "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY" IS
  • 00:41:19.170 --> 00:41:20.070
  • OUR GUEST, JOHN BEVERE, ALL
  • 00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:22.240
  • NIGHT.
  • 00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:25.030
  • THIS ROLL-IN IS SIMPLY HELPING
  • 00:41:25.030 --> 00:41:26.090
  • YOU UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF
  • 00:41:26.120 --> 00:41:29.120
  • BEING DRIVEN BY ETERNITY.
  • 00:41:29.120 --> 00:41:30.230
  • [FOOTSTEP]
  • 00:41:34.120 --> 00:41:37.060
  • - MALE ON SCREEN: QUESTION:
  • 00:41:37.060 --> 00:41:38.200
  • WHAT ARE YOU CALLED TO DO?
  • 00:41:38.260 --> 00:41:41.260
  • 00:41:41.260 --> 00:41:42.200
  • I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE
  • 00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:43.180
  • WE WON'T BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO
  • 00:41:43.180 --> 00:41:44.100
  • WHAT WE DID IN LIFE BUT RATHER
  • 00:41:44.100 --> 00:41:46.120
  • WHAT WE WERE CALLED TO DO IN
  • 00:41:46.120 --> 00:41:47.070
  • LIFE.
  • 00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:50.020
  • IMAGINE WITH ME STANDING BEFORE
  • 00:41:50.020 --> 00:41:52.070
  • THE THRONE OF GOD AND A
  • 00:41:52.070 --> 00:41:54.050
  • SCENARIO LIKE THIS OCCURRED.
  • 00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:56.050
  • [TYPEWRITER SOUND EFFECT]
  • 00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:59.040
  • "EVANGELIST ANDERSON, COME
  • 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:01.020
  • FORTH AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF
  • 00:42:01.020 --> 00:42:02.220
  • YOUR STEWARDSHIP ON EARTH."
  • 00:42:02.270 --> 00:42:05.270
  • ["EVANGELIST" ACTOR'S VOICE
  • 00:42:05.270 --> 00:42:08.020
  • ALSO AUDIBLE SIMULTANEOUSLY]
  • 00:42:08.020 --> 00:42:09.040
  • "E-- EVANGELIST ANDERSON?
  • 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:10.020
  • I-- I'M NOT AN EVANGELIST.
  • 00:42:10.020 --> 00:42:11.070
  • I'M AN ACCOUNTANT.
  • 00:42:11.070 --> 00:42:12.070
  • I-- I-- I-- I HAD AN ACCOUNTING
  • 00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:13.150
  • FIRM.
  • 00:42:13.150 --> 00:42:15.180
  • I HAD--"
  • 00:42:15.180 --> 00:42:16.050
  • "EVANGELIST ANDERSON, WHERE ARE
  • 00:42:16.200 --> 00:42:19.200
  • THE 347.566 SOULS I CALLED YOU
  • 00:42:22.160 --> 00:42:25.160
  • TO IMPACT IN ASIA, SON?
  • 00:42:25.160 --> 00:42:28.000
  • WHERE ARE THEY?"
  • 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.220
  • "I-- I-- I'M AN A-- I'M AN
  • 00:42:30.220 --> 00:42:31.110
  • ACCOUNTANT!
  • 00:42:31.110 --> 00:42:32.210
  • I HAD AN ACCOUNTING FIRM!
  • 00:42:32.210 --> 00:42:33.250
  • I-- I-- I HELPED CHURCHES!
  • 00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:35.290
  • I HELPED MINISTRIES WITH THEIR
  • 00:42:35.290 --> 00:42:36.270
  • FINANCES--"
  • 00:42:36.270 --> 00:42:38.170
  • "SON!
  • 00:42:38.170 --> 00:42:39.290
  • WHERE ARE THE 347.566 SOULS IN
  • 00:42:43.220 --> 00:42:46.220
  • ASIA I CALLED YOU TO IMPACT?!
  • 00:42:46.220 --> 00:42:49.130
  • SON, WHERE ARE THEY?!
  • 00:42:49.130 --> 00:42:52.090
  • HAD YOU SOUGHT ME, HAD YOU
  • 00:42:52.090 --> 00:42:55.000
  • SOUGHT MY FACE, I WOULD HAVE
  • 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:56.220
  • REVEALED THIS TO YOU."
  • 00:42:56.220 --> 00:42:58.170
  • AND EVERYTHING IN REGARDS TO
  • 00:42:58.170 --> 00:43:00.040
  • THAT MAN'S CALLING WAS BURNT UP
  • 00:43:00.040 --> 00:43:03.010
  • BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF
  • 00:43:03.010 --> 00:43:04.130
  • CHRIST.
  • 00:43:04.130 --> 00:43:07.130
  • 00:43:07.130 --> 00:43:08.060
  • [TYPEWRITER SOUND EFFECT]
  • 00:43:08.060 --> 00:43:09.080
  • "ACCOUNTANT JONES, STEP FORWARD
  • 00:43:09.080 --> 00:43:11.270
  • AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF YOUR
  • 00:43:11.270 --> 00:43:13.110
  • STEWARDSHIP."
  • 00:43:13.120 --> 00:43:16.120
  • [SUPERIMPOSED/OVERDUBBED
  • 00:43:16.120 --> 00:43:17.000
  • VOICES]
  • 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:17.150
  • "ACCOUNTANT JONES?
  • 00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:18.070
  • NO, I'M A PASTOR FOR 35 YEARS.
  • 00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:19.150
  • I-- I-- I HAD A MEMBERSHIP OF
  • 00:43:19.150 --> 00:43:20.140
  • 750 PEOPLE.
  • 00:43:20.140 --> 00:43:21.260
  • I--"
  • 00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:22.150
  • "ACCOUNTANT JONES, I CALLED YOU
  • 00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:24.250
  • TO THE MARKETPLACE.
  • 00:43:24.250 --> 00:43:27.030
  • HAD YOU DONE THIS, YOU WOULD
  • 00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:28.210
  • HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED TWO
  • 00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:31.000
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.070
  • YOU AND THOSE TWO MEN WOULD
  • 00:43:33.070 --> 00:43:34.110
  • HAVE HELPED CHURCHES WITH THEIR
  • 00:43:34.110 --> 00:43:35.140
  • FINANCES AND THOSE CHURCHES
  • 00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:39.030
  • WOULD HAVE IMPACTED 751.321
  • 00:43:39.170 --> 00:43:42.170
  • SOULS.
  • 00:43:43.200 --> 00:43:46.200
  • IF YOU WOULD HAVE SOUGHT ME,
  • 00:43:46.200 --> 00:43:48.280
  • I-- I WOULD HAVE REVEALED THIS
  • 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:49.260
  • TO YOU."
  • 00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:51.050
  • AND, AGAIN, IN REGARDS TO THIS
  • 00:43:51.050 --> 00:43:53.050
  • MAN'S CALLING, EVERYTHING HE'S
  • 00:43:53.050 --> 00:43:54.200
  • DONE IN LIFE WOULD BE BURNT UP
  • 00:43:54.230 --> 00:43:57.230
  • BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF
  • 00:43:57.230 --> 00:43:59.240
  • CHRIST.
  • 00:43:59.240 --> 00:44:01.140
  • [LOUD HEARTBEAT SOUND EFFECT]
  • 00:44:05.020 --> 00:44:08.020
  • "SISTER SMITH!
  • 00:44:08.020 --> 00:44:09.100
  • COME FORTH AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT
  • 00:44:09.100 --> 00:44:11.260
  • OF YOUR STEWARDSHIP."
  • 00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:13.030
  • [TYPEWRITER SOUND EFFECT]
  • 00:44:13.150 --> 00:44:16.150
  • 00:44:16.150 --> 00:44:19.020
  • [VOICES OVERDUBBED]
  • 00:44:19.020 --> 00:44:20.050
  • "UHHH...I...
  • 00:44:20.050 --> 00:44:22.040
  • I ONLY RAISED THREE CHILDREN.
  • 00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:23.180
  • I NEVER PREACHED TO-- TO
  • 00:44:23.180 --> 00:44:26.120
  • NATIONS.
  • 00:44:26.120 --> 00:44:28.010
  • I-- I'VE NEVER EVEN BEEN ON A
  • 00:44:28.010 --> 00:44:29.250
  • MISSIONARY TRIP.
  • 00:44:29.250 --> 00:44:31.040
  • I-- I ONLY TRIED MY HARDEST TO
  • 00:44:32.150 --> 00:44:35.150
  • RAISE MY CHILDREN IN YOUR WAY."
  • 00:44:44.140 --> 00:44:47.140
  • "SISTER SMITH, I NEVER CALLED
  • 00:44:47.140 --> 00:44:50.030
  • YOU TO PREACH TO NATIONS.
  • 00:44:51.030 --> 00:44:54.030
  • I NEVER CALLED YOU TO GO TO
  • 00:44:54.030 --> 00:44:56.060
  • OTHER COUNTRIES ON MISSIONARY
  • 00:44:56.060 --> 00:44:57.280
  • TRIPS.
  • 00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.270
  • I CALLED YOU TO RAISE THREE
  • 00:44:59.270 --> 00:45:01.120
  • CHILDREN.
  • 00:45:01.220 --> 00:45:04.220
  • AND LET ME SHOW YOU THE
  • 00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:11.260
  • 1.579.541 SOULS THOSE THREE
  • 00:45:12.140 --> 00:45:15.140
  • CHILDREN IMPACTED.
  • 00:45:17.180 --> 00:45:20.180
  • 00:45:20.180 --> 00:45:22.000
  • [HEARTBEAT SOUND EFFECT OVER
  • 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:23.120
  • MUSIC]
  • 00:45:23.120 --> 00:45:24.000
  • YOU SOUGHT ME AND YOU HEARD MY
  • 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:24.210
  • VOICE.
  • 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.280
  • YOU WERE OBEDIENT TO MY CALL.
  • 00:45:28.210 --> 00:45:31.210
  • WELL DONE, MY GOOD AND FAITHFUL
  • 00:45:31.210 --> 00:45:33.150
  • SERVANT.
  • 00:45:33.220 --> 00:45:36.220
  • ENTER INTO THE JOY OF YOUR
  • 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.000
  • LORD."
  • 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.190
  • [MUSIC, HEARTBEAT]
  • 00:45:43.160 --> 00:45:46.160
  • SO, REMEMBER, IN REGARD TO THE
  • 00:45:46.160 --> 00:45:47.070
  • CALLING THAT'S ON YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:45:47.070 --> 00:45:48.280
  • YOU WON'T BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO
  • 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.140
  • WHAT YOU DID; YOU'LL BE JUDGED
  • 00:45:51.140 --> 00:45:52.050
  • ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU WERE
  • 00:45:52.050 --> 00:45:53.190
  • CALLED TO DO.
  • 00:45:53.250 --> 00:45:56.250
  • - AUDIENCE MEMBER: YEAH!
  • 00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:58.030
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:45:58.030 --> 00:46:00.210
  • - JOHN: THAT'S...RIVETING.
  • 00:46:01.150 --> 00:46:04.150
  • THE FIRST TIME OUR TEAM
  • 00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:05.030
  • PRODUCED IT AND I WATCHED IT, I
  • 00:46:05.030 --> 00:46:06.000
  • MEAN, CHILLS JUST WENT UP AND
  • 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.180
  • YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN
  • 00:46:10.110 --> 00:46:10.280
  • MINISTRY.
  • 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.200
  • I'VE BEEN TRAVELING ALL OVER
  • 00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:12.100
  • FOR 30 YEARS.
  • 00:46:12.100 --> 00:46:12.240
  • AND I'VE SEEN SENIOR PASTORS I
  • 00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:13.290
  • KNEW WERE CALLED TO BE
  • 00:46:13.290 --> 00:46:14.160
  • ASSOCIATE PASTORS.
  • 00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:16.070
  • I'VE SEEN ASSOCIATE PASTORS
  • 00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:16.270
  • THAT I KNEW WERE CALLED TO BE
  • 00:46:16.270 --> 00:46:18.070
  • SENIOR PASTORS.
  • 00:46:18.070 --> 00:46:20.140
  • IN FACT, I SAID TO ONE SENIOR
  • 00:46:20.140 --> 00:46:21.050
  • PASTOR, "YOU SHOULD BE IN THE
  • 00:46:21.050 --> 00:46:21.260
  • BUSINESS WORLD."
  • 00:46:21.260 --> 00:46:23.220
  • BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PASTORS I
  • 00:46:23.220 --> 00:46:25.030
  • KNEW WERE CALLED TO THE BUSINESS
  • 00:46:25.030 --> 00:46:26.180
  • WORLD AND BUSINESSMEN CALLED
  • 00:46:26.180 --> 00:46:27.130
  • I REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD A PASTOR
  • 00:46:29.290 --> 00:46:30.210
  • TO GO INTO THE BUSINESS WORLD.
  • 00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:32.060
  • ABOUT A YOUR LATER, THAT PASTOR
  • 00:46:32.060 --> 00:46:33.160
  • SAID, "JOHN, I AM MORE
  • 00:46:33.160 --> 00:46:34.060
  • FULFILLED THAN WHAT I'VE EVER
  • 00:46:34.060 --> 00:46:35.220
  • BEEN DOING."
  • 00:46:36.250 --> 00:46:39.250
  • YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW
  • 00:46:39.250 --> 00:46:40.170
  • OLD YOU ARE, IT DOESN'T MATTER
  • 00:46:40.170 --> 00:46:41.080
  • WHERE YOU ARE, GOD HAS A PLAN
  • 00:46:41.080 --> 00:46:41.290
  • FOR YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:46:42.060 --> 00:46:45.060
  • AND IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
  • 00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:46.200
  • IN HAWAII, A COUPLE YEARS AGO,
  • 00:46:46.200 --> 00:46:47.110
  • I, UH...I WAS SPEAKING AT A
  • 00:46:47.110 --> 00:46:49.130
  • CONFERENCE.
  • 00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:50.260
  • AND I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS A
  • 00:46:50.260 --> 00:46:51.220
  • NAVY SEAL INSTRUCTOR THAT
  • 00:46:51.220 --> 00:46:53.100
  • WANTED TO HAVE DINNER WITH ME.
  • 00:46:53.100 --> 00:46:55.140
  • NOW, ANYTIME A NAVY SEAL
  • 00:46:55.140 --> 00:46:56.170
  • INSTRUCTOR WANTS TO HAVE DINNER
  • 00:46:56.170 --> 00:46:57.090
  • WITH ME, I'M GONNA HAVE DINNER
  • 00:46:57.090 --> 00:46:58.000
  • WITH HIM.
  • 00:46:58.040 --> 00:47:01.060
  • I JUST HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR
  • 00:47:01.060 --> 00:47:02.080
  • THE SEALS.
  • 00:47:02.080 --> 00:47:03.030
  • AND, I REMEMBER WE SAT DOWN AT
  • 00:47:03.030 --> 00:47:03.240
  • THE DINNER TABLE.
  • 00:47:03.240 --> 00:47:04.220
  • IT ENDED UP BEING TWO HOURS
  • 00:47:04.220 --> 00:47:05.170
  • LONG.
  • 00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:06.150
  • I JUST STARTED OUT BY SAYING,
  • 00:47:06.150 --> 00:47:07.060
  • "WHAT'S YOUR STORY?"
  • 00:47:07.060 --> 00:47:08.100
  • AND HE SAID, "WELL, JOHN, I WAS
  • 00:47:08.100 --> 00:47:09.020
  • RAISED IN THE CHURCH AND I
  • 00:47:09.020 --> 00:47:10.080
  • ALWAYS LOVED GOD."
  • 00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:12.130
  • AND HE SAID, "IN ORDER TO-- I
  • 00:47:12.130 --> 00:47:13.160
  • THOUGHT IN ORDER TO SERVE GOD
  • 00:47:13.160 --> 00:47:14.260
  • MORE FULLY, I NEED TO GO TO
  • 00:47:14.260 --> 00:47:17.040
  • BIBLE SCHOOL AND GO INTO
  • 00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:17.220
  • MINISTRY."
  • 00:47:17.220 --> 00:47:18.120
  • HE SAID, "SO, I WENT TO TWO
  • 00:47:18.120 --> 00:47:20.040
  • YEARS OF BIBLE SCHOOL."
  • 00:47:20.040 --> 00:47:22.000
  • AND THEN, HE SAID, "THE THIRD
  • 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.110
  • YEAR, I WAS INTERNING AT A
  • 00:47:23.110 --> 00:47:24.000
  • LARGE CHURCH AND I WAS ACCUSED
  • 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.220
  • OF SLEEPING WITH A GIRL IN THE
  • 00:47:25.220 --> 00:47:26.190
  • YOUTH GROUP."
  • 00:47:26.190 --> 00:47:27.210
  • HE SAID, "JOHN, I NEVER SLEPT
  • 00:47:27.210 --> 00:47:28.120
  • WITH HER."
  • 00:47:28.120 --> 00:47:30.020
  • HE SAID, "BUT THEY BELIEVED HER
  • 00:47:30.020 --> 00:47:31.010
  • AND I BASICALLY LOST
  • 00:47:31.010 --> 00:47:32.280
  • EVERYTHING, WAS PUT OUT OF THE
  • 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.060
  • DENOMINATION -- THREE YEARS OF
  • 00:47:34.060 --> 00:47:35.170
  • WORK GONE."
  • 00:47:35.170 --> 00:47:36.180
  • HE SAID, "I STARTED SEEKING GOD
  • 00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:39.150
  • LIKE I'VE NEVER SOUGHT HIM
  • 00:47:39.150 --> 00:47:40.280
  • BEFORE."
  • 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.290
  • AND HE SAID, "I HEARD GOD SAY
  • 00:47:41.290 --> 00:47:43.040
  • TO ME SO CLEARLY: I DIDN'T CALL
  • 00:47:43.040 --> 00:47:43.280
  • YOU TO MINISTRY; I CALLED YOU
  • 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.140
  • TO MILITARY."
  • 00:47:46.140 --> 00:47:49.050
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 00:47:49.050 --> 00:47:49.220
  • - JOHN: HE SAID, "SO, I WENT
  • 00:47:49.220 --> 00:47:50.130
  • TO THE ARMY, I WENT TO THE
  • 00:47:50.130 --> 00:47:51.070
  • MARINES, I WENT TO THE AIR
  • 00:47:51.070 --> 00:47:53.010
  • FORCE."
  • 00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:54.100
  • AND HE SAID, "THE LAST ONE WAS
  • 00:47:54.100 --> 00:47:55.010
  • THE NAVY."
  • 00:47:55.010 --> 00:47:56.090
  • AND HE SAID, "I'M IN THE NAVY
  • 00:47:56.090 --> 00:47:57.210
  • RECRUITING OFFICE AND THE MAN'S
  • 00:47:57.210 --> 00:47:59.160
  • GOING DOWN THROUGH A LIST OF
  • 00:47:59.160 --> 00:48:00.220
  • THINGS THAT I COULD, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:48:00.220 --> 00:48:02.160
  • ENLIST FOR, AND HE SAYS THE
  • 00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:03.070
  • WORD 'SEALS.'"
  • 00:48:03.080 --> 00:48:06.080
  • AND HE SAID, "WHEN I SAW THE
  • 00:48:06.080 --> 00:48:07.140
  • WORD "SEALS" OR HEARD IT," HE
  • 00:48:07.140 --> 00:48:08.050
  • SAID, "LIFE JUST EXPLODED ON
  • 00:48:08.050 --> 00:48:09.080
  • THE INSIDE OF ME."
  • 00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:11.230
  • HE SAID: "THAT'S IT!
  • 00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:12.110
  • THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:48:12.110 --> 00:48:13.070
  • DO!"
  • 00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:13.240
  • AND THE GUY SAID, "NO, NO, YOU
  • 00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:14.150
  • DON'T WANNA ENLIST FOR SEALS."
  • 00:48:14.150 --> 00:48:15.220
  • HE SAID: "EVERY GUY IN THIS
  • 00:48:15.220 --> 00:48:16.120
  • RECRUITING OFFICE FLUNKED OUT,
  • 00:48:16.120 --> 00:48:18.040
  • LIKE POINT 1.
  • 00:48:18.040 --> 00:48:20.260
  • I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT
  • 00:48:20.260 --> 00:48:21.150
  • PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE MAKE THE
  • 00:48:21.150 --> 00:48:22.120
  • SEALS."
  • 00:48:22.120 --> 00:48:23.150
  • HE SAID, "I DON'T CARE, THAT'S
  • 00:48:23.150 --> 00:48:24.060
  • WHAT I WANNA DO."
  • 00:48:24.060 --> 00:48:25.030
  • WELL, WHAT THE RECRUITER DIDN'T
  • 00:48:25.030 --> 00:48:26.190
  • KNOW AND HE DIDN'T KNOW IS THAT
  • 00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:28.230
  • HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM.
  • 00:48:28.230 --> 00:48:31.060
  • SECONDLY, HE HAD SUCH NARROW
  • 00:48:31.060 --> 00:48:33.180
  • EAR CANALS THAT THEY HAD TO,
  • 00:48:33.180 --> 00:48:35.000
  • LITERALLY, OPERATE ON HIM WHEN
  • 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.120
  • HE WAS A BOY AND PUT TUBES IN
  • 00:48:37.120 --> 00:48:39.100
  • HIS EARS.
  • 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:40.100
  • AND IF HE GOT ANY WATER, EVEN
  • 00:48:40.100 --> 00:48:42.150
  • JUST DROPS OF WATER IN HIS EAR,
  • 00:48:42.150 --> 00:48:43.290
  • HE WAS IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN.
  • 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.280
  • SO, HE SAID: "JOHN, I
  • 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:48.150
  • JUST STARTED PRAYING.
  • 00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:49.070
  • I SAID, 'GOD, YOU GOTTA TEACH
  • 00:48:49.070 --> 00:48:49.280
  • ME HOW TO SWIM AND YOU GOTTA
  • 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:50.180
  • HEAL MY EARS.'"
  • 00:48:50.180 --> 00:48:51.020
  • AND HE SAID, "I PRAYED EVERY
  • 00:48:51.020 --> 00:48:51.220
  • DAY THAT GOD WOULD HEAL MY
  • 00:48:51.220 --> 00:48:52.110
  • EARS."
  • 00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:52.200
  • AND, EVENTUALLY, HE SAID,
  • 00:48:52.200 --> 00:48:53.090
  • "I WENT DOWN A FOOT, 2 FEET,
  • 00:48:53.090 --> 00:48:53.290
  • 3 FEET, 5 FEET -- NO PAIN."
  • 00:48:54.290 --> 00:48:57.290
  • SO THEN, THREE TIMES HE CAME UP
  • 00:48:57.290 --> 00:48:58.210
  • TO THEIR ACTIVATION WEEK AND
  • 00:48:58.210 --> 00:48:59.250
  • THREE TIMES HE HAD A DISASTER.
  • 00:48:59.250 --> 00:49:02.050
  • FIRST TIME, HE WAS ON
  • 00:49:02.210 --> 00:49:05.210
  • AN OBSTACLE COURSE AND A BIG
  • 00:49:05.210 --> 00:49:06.220
  • SPLINTER THING CAME OFF AND
  • 00:49:06.220 --> 00:49:08.160
  • WENT RIGHT THROUGH HIS ARM.
  • 00:49:08.160 --> 00:49:11.130
  • SO, HE HAD TO GO BACK AND IT
  • 00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:12.030
  • ALL OVER AGAIN.
  • 00:49:12.030 --> 00:49:12.170
  • SECOND TIME, THEY WERE COMING
  • 00:49:12.170 --> 00:49:13.080
  • IN IN A WAVE IN SAN DIEGO.
  • 00:49:13.080 --> 00:49:15.120
  • THE GUY'S PADDLE BEHIND HIM HIT
  • 00:49:15.120 --> 00:49:16.270
  • HIM IN HIS EAR, RUPTURED HIS
  • 00:49:16.270 --> 00:49:17.240
  • EARDRUM.
  • 00:49:17.240 --> 00:49:18.130
  • HE PRAYED AND GOD HEALED THAT.
  • 00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:19.060
  • THIRD TIME -- THIS IS
  • 00:49:19.060 --> 00:49:21.040
  • MAGNIFICENT -- HE'S RUNNING ON
  • 00:49:21.180 --> 00:49:24.180
  • THE BEACH WITH A BOAT ON HIS
  • 00:49:24.180 --> 00:49:25.200
  • HEAD, AND SOME KID DUG A HOLE,
  • 00:49:25.200 --> 00:49:27.220
  • AND HE BLEW EVERYTHING OUT IN
  • 00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:28.230
  • HIS KNEE.
  • 00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:31.230
  • HE WENT TO THE OFFICER,
  • 00:49:31.230 --> 00:49:32.110
  • WHO HAPPENED TO BE THE
  • 00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:32.280
  • DOCTOR, AND EXAMINED HIM AND
  • 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:33.200
  • SAID-- THE DOCTOR SAID, "I'M
  • 00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:35.130
  • NOT PASSING YOU ON THE
  • 00:49:35.130 --> 00:49:36.050
  • PHYSICAL."
  • 00:49:36.050 --> 00:49:36.210
  • HE SAID, "NOW, JOHN, IF YOU
  • 00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:37.250
  • DON'T PASS THE PHYSICAL, YOU
  • 00:49:37.250 --> 00:49:38.220
  • WILL NEVER BE A SEAL."
  • 00:49:38.220 --> 00:49:41.030
  • AND HE SAID: "I SAID TO THAT
  • 00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:41.230
  • DOCTOR, 'NO, DOCTOR, YOU
  • 00:49:41.230 --> 00:49:43.130
  • DON'T UNDERSTAND -- THIS IS
  • 00:49:43.130 --> 00:49:44.160
  • WHAT I GOTTA DO, I'VE GOT TO DO
  • 00:49:44.160 --> 00:49:45.100
  • THIS.'"
  • 00:49:45.100 --> 00:49:47.220
  • AND THE DOCTOR SAID, "HEY!
  • 00:49:47.220 --> 00:49:49.160
  • I'M AN OFFICER.
  • 00:49:49.160 --> 00:49:50.140
  • ARE YOU TELLING ME WHAT TO DO?"
  • 00:49:50.140 --> 00:49:51.240
  • AND HE SAID, "NO, SIR, I'M SO
  • 00:49:51.240 --> 00:49:52.160
  • SORRY."
  • 00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:54.000
  • SO, HE SAID THAT NIGHT BE GOT
  • 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:54.210
  • INVITED TO A BIBLE STUDY.
  • 00:49:54.210 --> 00:49:56.290
  • AND HE SAID THE GUY THAT WAS
  • 00:49:56.290 --> 00:49:57.190
  • RUNNING THE BIBLE STUDY JUST SO
  • 00:49:57.190 --> 00:49:58.250
  • HAPPENED TO BE THE SUPERIOR
  • 00:49:58.250 --> 00:50:00.100
  • OFFICER OF THAT DOCTOR.
  • 00:50:02.030 --> 00:50:05.030
  • AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW TO
  • 00:50:05.030 --> 00:50:05.250
  • BE LED BY THE SPIRIT.
  • 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.000
  • AND HE SAID, "LIKE
  • 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:10.290
  • JUST TODAY, GUYS," HE SAID,
  • 00:50:10.290 --> 00:50:11.190
  • "I HAD THIS APPLICATION COME
  • 00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:12.200
  • ACROSS AND IT WAS DENIED THE
  • 00:50:12.200 --> 00:50:13.170
  • PHYSICAL."
  • 00:50:13.170 --> 00:50:14.220
  • AND HE SAID, "INSIDE, I KNEW
  • 00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:15.130
  • THIS PERSON WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:50:15.130 --> 00:50:16.210
  • BE DENIED, SO I OVERRODE THE
  • 00:50:16.210 --> 00:50:17.110
  • DOCTOR'S DECISION."
  • 00:50:17.110 --> 00:50:19.240
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:21.030
  • - JOHN: (SMACKS HANDS FOR
  • 00:50:21.030 --> 00:50:21.220
  • EMPHASIS) AND IT HAPPENED TO BE
  • 00:50:21.220 --> 00:50:22.140
  • HIM.
  • 00:50:22.140 --> 00:50:23.060
  • - LAURIE: WOW...THAT'S
  • 00:50:23.060 --> 00:50:23.240
  • AWESOME.
  • 00:50:23.240 --> 00:50:24.190
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:50:24.190 --> 00:50:25.120
  • - JOHN: SO, THEN HE STARTED
  • 00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:26.020
  • TELLING ME ABOUT HIS MISSIONS!
  • 00:50:26.020 --> 00:50:26.250
  • AND THIS IS WHERE IT GOT REALLY
  • 00:50:26.250 --> 00:50:27.170
  • GOOD.
  • 00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:28.250
  • HE SAID, "JOHN, WE WERE IN IRAQ
  • 00:50:28.250 --> 00:50:30.000
  • ON ONE MISSION."
  • 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.290
  • AND HE SAID, "THERE WAS A
  • 00:50:32.290 --> 00:50:33.290
  • CARAVAN OF SIX TRUCKS."
  • 00:50:33.290 --> 00:50:36.100
  • AND HE SAID, "I WAS IN THE LAST
  • 00:50:36.100 --> 00:50:37.150
  • ONE WITH FIVE OTHER SEALS AND
  • 00:50:37.150 --> 00:50:39.250
  • SOME OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL-OPS
  • 00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:42.110
  • SOLDIERS WE WERE TRAINING."
  • 00:50:42.110 --> 00:50:45.010
  • AND HE SAID, "WE GOT BLOWN UP."
  • 00:50:45.010 --> 00:50:47.080
  • AND HE SAID, "JOHN, THE IRAQI
  • 00:50:47.080 --> 00:50:49.190
  • SOLDIERS WERE-- IT WAS
  • 00:50:49.190 --> 00:50:50.140
  • HORRIFIC."
  • 00:50:50.140 --> 00:50:51.260
  • HE SAID ONE LOST A LIMB, HE
  • 00:50:51.260 --> 00:50:53.120
  • SAID ONE'S FACE, HALF HIS FACE,
  • 00:50:53.120 --> 00:50:54.100
  • WAS GONE.
  • 00:50:54.100 --> 00:50:55.050
  • HE SAID, "BUT ALL MY FIVE SEALS
  • 00:50:55.050 --> 00:50:56.160
  • AND ME WERE FINE."
  • 00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:57.220
  • HE SAID, "SO, MY COMMANDING
  • 00:50:57.220 --> 00:50:59.120
  • OFFICER CAME TO ME AND SAID,
  • 00:50:59.120 --> 00:51:00.270
  • 'YOU BETTER CALL YOUR PARENTS
  • 00:51:00.270 --> 00:51:02.030
  • 'CAUSE THE RED CROSS WILL TELL
  • 00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:03.140
  • 'EM THERE'S BEEN AN ACCIDENT
  • 00:51:03.140 --> 00:51:04.120
  • AND THEY WON'T TELL THEM WHAT
  • 00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:05.290
  • YOUR CONDITION IS, AND THEY'LL
  • 00:51:05.290 --> 00:51:07.080
  • BE WORRIED, SO JUST CALL
  • 00:51:07.080 --> 00:51:08.070
  • THEM.'"
  • 00:51:08.070 --> 00:51:09.040
  • HE SAID, "NOW, WE ALL CARRIED
  • 00:51:09.040 --> 00:51:11.080
  • OUR CELL PHONES RIGHT HERE IN
  • 00:51:11.080 --> 00:51:12.080
  • OUR SLEEVE."
  • 00:51:12.080 --> 00:51:13.260
  • AND HE SAID, "OUR CELL PHONES
  • 00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:16.160
  • HAD TO BE OFF AND OUR CELL
  • 00:51:16.160 --> 00:51:17.050
  • PHONES COULDN'T HAVE ANY
  • 00:51:17.050 --> 00:51:17.230
  • PREPROGRAMMED NUMBERS, BECAUSE
  • 00:51:17.230 --> 00:51:18.140
  • IF WE WERE EVER CAPTURED."
  • 00:51:18.140 --> 00:51:20.270
  • HE SAID: "I CALL MY MOM AND IT
  • 00:51:20.270 --> 00:51:22.200
  • JUST SO HAPPENS MY MOM AND DAD
  • 00:51:22.200 --> 00:51:24.050
  • ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRAYER
  • 00:51:24.050 --> 00:51:25.030
  • MEETING.
  • 00:51:25.210 --> 00:51:28.210
  • AND SHE SAID, 'WHAT JUST
  • 00:51:28.210 --> 00:51:29.090
  • HAPPENED?!'
  • 00:51:29.090 --> 00:51:29.280
  • SHE SAID, 'YOUR CELL PHONE JUST
  • 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:30.280
  • CALLED ME AND WE HEARD AN
  • 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.060
  • EXPLOSION AND SO ALL OF US
  • 00:51:32.060 --> 00:51:33.190
  • STARTED PRAYING FOR ALL OF YOU
  • 00:51:33.190 --> 00:51:34.190
  • NAVY SEALS.'"
  • 00:51:34.190 --> 00:51:36.260
  • - MATT: WOW...WOW.
  • 00:51:36.260 --> 00:51:37.160
  • - LAURIE: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:38.060
  • - JOHN: AND HE SAID, "MOM,
  • 00:51:38.060 --> 00:51:39.030
  • NEXT TIME, PLEASE PRAY FOR THE
  • 00:51:39.030 --> 00:51:40.050
  • IRAQI SPECIAL OPS GUYS, TOO."
  • 00:51:40.050 --> 00:51:41.110
  • BECAUSE ALL THE SEALS WERE
  • 00:51:41.110 --> 00:51:42.080
  • FINE.
  • 00:51:42.080 --> 00:51:43.060
  • AMAZING STORIES.
  • 00:51:43.060 --> 00:51:44.080
  • ANOTHER ONE HAPPENED WHERE
  • 00:51:44.080 --> 00:51:45.090
  • THEY WERE IN AN AMBUSH IN
  • 00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:46.140
  • AFGHANISTAN.
  • 00:51:46.140 --> 00:51:47.270
  • THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.
  • 00:51:47.270 --> 00:51:49.210
  • BUT HIS CELL PHONE CALLED THEM
  • 00:51:49.210 --> 00:51:51.000
  • AGAIN AND THEY WERE IN A PRAYER
  • 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:51.240
  • MEETING AGAIN.
  • 00:51:51.240 --> 00:51:52.100
  • HE FOUND OUT THIS ONE TWO WEEKS
  • 00:51:52.100 --> 00:51:53.030
  • LATER.
  • 00:51:53.030 --> 00:51:53.200
  • HE'S TELLING ME THESE STORIES
  • 00:51:53.200 --> 00:51:55.060
  • AND I'M RIVETED.
  • 00:51:55.060 --> 00:51:58.050
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:51:58.050 --> 00:51:58.270
  • - JOHN: AND I REMEMBER GOING
  • 00:51:58.270 --> 00:51:59.180
  • BACK TO THE HOTEL AND CALLING
  • 00:51:59.180 --> 00:52:00.230
  • LISA AND SAID, "LISA, I'VE BEEN
  • 00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:01.290
  • IN THE PRESENCE OF A MAN OF
  • 00:52:01.290 --> 00:52:02.190
  • GOD."
  • 00:52:02.190 --> 00:52:03.060
  • - LAURIE: WOW.
  • 00:52:03.060 --> 00:52:03.200
  • - JOHN: THE PRESENCE OF GOD
  • 00:52:03.200 --> 00:52:04.220
  • WAS AT THAT TABLE IN HAWAII IN
  • 00:52:04.220 --> 00:52:05.190
  • SUCH A PROFOUND WAY.
  • 00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:07.200
  • SO, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:52:07.290 --> 00:52:10.290
  • SITTING THERE THINKING OUT
  • 00:52:10.290 --> 00:52:12.130
  • THERE: BUT I'M IN MY 50S.
  • 00:52:12.130 --> 00:52:13.170
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:52:13.170 --> 00:52:14.180
  • - JOHN: IT'S TOO LATE!
  • 00:52:14.180 --> 00:52:15.070
  • I'VE ALREADY LET THE BEST YEARS
  • 00:52:15.070 --> 00:52:16.230
  • OF MY LIFE GO.
  • 00:52:16.230 --> 00:52:18.000
  • WELL, LET ME TELL YOU
  • 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.280
  • SOMETHING.
  • 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.060
  • SMITH WIGGLESWORTH WAS THE
  • 00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:22.150
  • GREATEST EVANGELIST IN THE 20TH
  • 00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:23.080
  • CENTURY.
  • 00:52:23.080 --> 00:52:24.180
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:52:24.180 --> 00:52:25.100
  • - JOHN: BUT HE DIDN'T EVEN
  • 00:52:25.100 --> 00:52:26.000
  • START HIS CALLING UNTIL HE WAS
  • 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.210
  • IN HIS 50S.
  • 00:52:26.210 --> 00:52:28.050
  • HE WAS A PLUMBER FOR ALL THOSE
  • 00:52:28.050 --> 00:52:28.260
  • YEARS BEFOREHAND.
  • 00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:29.110
  • THERE WAS AN IT MAN THAT WORKED
  • 00:52:29.110 --> 00:52:31.260
  • FOR OUR MINISTRY.
  • 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:33.090
  • YOU KNOW, WE HAD THREE IT
  • 00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:35.040
  • PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR US.
  • 00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:35.270
  • AND THIS GUY -- EVERY TIME I
  • 00:52:35.270 --> 00:52:37.210
  • CAME IN THE OFFICE, HE WAS
  • 00:52:37.210 --> 00:52:38.100
  • SHOWING ME PICTURES OF AFRICA,
  • 00:52:38.100 --> 00:52:39.110
  • TALKIN' ABOUT-- HE JUST TALKED
  • 00:52:39.110 --> 00:52:40.120
  • ABOUT AFRICA TOO MUCH!
  • 00:52:40.120 --> 00:52:42.140
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:42.140 --> 00:52:43.020
  • SO, I CALLED HIM INTO MY OFFICE
  • 00:52:43.020 --> 00:52:43.240
  • AND HE WAS 55 YEARS OLD.
  • 00:52:43.250 --> 00:52:46.250
  • AND I SAID -- HIS NAME'S
  • 00:52:46.250 --> 00:52:47.130
  • BILL -- I SAID, "BILL, I WILL
  • 00:52:47.130 --> 00:52:48.040
  • BUY YOU AND YOUR WIFE,
  • 00:52:48.040 --> 00:52:50.260
  • PATRICIA, A ONE-WAY TICKET TO
  • 00:52:50.260 --> 00:52:51.250
  • KENYA."
  • 00:52:51.250 --> 00:52:54.070
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:54.070 --> 00:52:54.240
  • NOW, SHE WAS 62.
  • 00:52:54.240 --> 00:52:57.040
  • NOW, THIS WAS IN 2008.
  • 00:52:57.040 --> 00:52:59.230
  • HE SAID, "CAN I GO HOME AND
  • 00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:00.150
  • TALK TO PATRICIA AND COME BACK
  • 00:53:00.150 --> 00:53:01.060
  • AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT?"
  • 00:53:01.060 --> 00:53:02.100
  • I SAID: "SURE!
  • 00:53:02.100 --> 00:53:02.260
  • GO HOME.
  • 00:53:02.260 --> 00:53:03.150
  • THE OFFER STANDS."
  • 00:53:03.150 --> 00:53:04.280
  • SO, THE NEXT MORNING, THEY BOTH
  • 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.060
  • CAME INTO MY OFFICE.
  • 00:53:06.060 --> 00:53:06.260
  • THEY SAID, "WE'RE GONNA DO IT."
  • 00:53:06.260 --> 00:53:08.040
  • SO, THEY SOLD EVERYTHING.
  • 00:53:08.040 --> 00:53:08.270
  • HIS PRIZE POSSESSION WAS THIS
  • 00:53:08.270 --> 00:53:10.130
  • HARLEY.
  • 00:53:10.130 --> 00:53:11.020
  • HE SOLD THAT.
  • 00:53:11.020 --> 00:53:12.260
  • THE GUY GAVE HIM, LIKE, WAY
  • 00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.280
  • OVER WHAT HE ASKED FOR IT
  • 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.170
  • 'CAUSE THE GUY HEARD HE WAS
  • 00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:16.220
  • GOING TO KENYA.
  • 00:53:16.220 --> 00:53:17.110
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:53:17.110 --> 00:53:17.280
  • - JOHN: BUT, ANYWAY, IT JUST
  • 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.190
  • ALL LINED UP.
  • 00:53:18.190 --> 00:53:19.190
  • WE SENT HIM OVER THERE.
  • 00:53:19.190 --> 00:53:20.080
  • IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, THEY
  • 00:53:20.080 --> 00:53:23.030
  • HAVE SET UP 32 BIBLE SCHOOLS.
  • 00:53:23.030 --> 00:53:24.110
  • AND ALL THEY DO IN THEIR BIBLE
  • 00:53:24.110 --> 00:53:26.010
  • SCHOOLS IS TEACH PASTORS AND
  • 00:53:26.010 --> 00:53:27.040
  • ASSOCIATE PASTORS.
  • 00:53:27.040 --> 00:53:28.110
  • AND THEY USE MESSENGER
  • 00:53:28.110 --> 00:53:29.100
  • INTERNATIONAL RESOURCES.
  • 00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:30.200
  • THEY HAVE CHANGED WESTERN
  • 00:53:30.200 --> 00:53:32.270
  • KENYA.
  • 00:53:32.270 --> 00:53:34.250
  • IT'S...UNCANNY.
  • 00:53:34.250 --> 00:53:36.090
  • - LAURIE: WOW.
  • 00:53:36.090 --> 00:53:36.240
  • - JOHN: IN MY OFFICE TWO
  • 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:37.130
  • MONTHS GO-- NOW, YOU GOTTA
  • 00:53:37.130 --> 00:53:38.020
  • REMEMBER -- HE'S NOW 62, SHE'S
  • 00:53:38.020 --> 00:53:39.000
  • NOW 69 OR 70, SO I THINK SHE'S
  • 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.130
  • SOON TO TURN 70.
  • 00:53:40.130 --> 00:53:43.040
  • THEY SAT THERE, AND HE'S
  • 00:53:43.040 --> 00:53:44.260
  • LAUGHING, AND HE LOOKS AT ME
  • 00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:46.120
  • AND HE GOES, "I'VE HAD MALARIA
  • 00:53:46.120 --> 00:53:47.250
  • 17 TIMES."
  • 00:53:47.250 --> 00:53:48.210
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:49.170
  • AND I'M LIKE, "OKAY."
  • 00:53:49.170 --> 00:53:50.050
  • I'M LAUGHING WITH THEM, BUT I'M
  • 00:53:50.050 --> 00:53:52.050
  • THINKING THIS IS NO LAUGHING
  • 00:53:52.050 --> 00:53:53.010
  • MATTER.
  • 00:53:53.010 --> 00:53:54.180
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:54.180 --> 00:53:55.020
  • AND THEN HE LOOKS AT ME AND HE
  • 00:53:55.020 --> 00:53:55.230
  • SAYS, "YOU KNOW WHAT I TOLD MY
  • 00:53:55.230 --> 00:53:56.140
  • FAMILY?"
  • 00:53:56.140 --> 00:53:56.240
  • HE SAID, "IF YOU WANNA COME TO
  • 00:53:56.240 --> 00:53:57.150
  • OUR FUNERAL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:53:57.150 --> 00:53:58.060
  • TO FLY TO AFRICA..."
  • 00:53:58.060 --> 00:53:59.280
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.150
  • - JOHN: "...'CAUSE WE'RE NOT
  • 00:54:00.150 --> 00:54:01.060
  • LEAVING."
  • 00:54:01.060 --> 00:54:01.220
  • - LAURIE: WOW.
  • 00:54:01.220 --> 00:54:02.130
  • - JOHN: HE SAID, "JOHN, I'VE
  • 00:54:02.130 --> 00:54:03.040
  • NEVER BEEN SO HAPPY."
  • 00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:04.110
  • I WAS PREACHING THIS IN
  • 00:54:04.110 --> 00:54:05.030
  • AUSTRALIA AND, UM-- AT THE
  • 00:54:05.030 --> 00:54:06.230
  • HILLSONG CONFERENCE.
  • 00:54:06.230 --> 00:54:08.000
  • AND AFTER THE CONFERENCE -- MY
  • 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.230
  • OFFICE MANAGER WAS IN THE HOTEL
  • 00:54:09.230 --> 00:54:12.030
  • ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ACE
  • 00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:13.050
  • ARENA -- AND THIS LADY WAS JUST
  • 00:54:13.050 --> 00:54:13.270
  • IRATE.
  • 00:54:13.270 --> 00:54:15.030
  • AND, IT WAS LADY.
  • 00:54:15.030 --> 00:54:17.030
  • AND SHE LOOKED AT MY OFFICE--
  • 00:54:17.030 --> 00:54:17.260
  • SHE KNEW MY OFFICE MANAGER DOWN
  • 00:54:17.260 --> 00:54:19.030
  • THERE IN AUSTRALIA AND SHE
  • 00:54:19.030 --> 00:54:20.240
  • SAID, "HE COULDN'T BE SERIOUS
  • 00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:21.210
  • ABOUT WHAT HE WAS SAYING
  • 00:54:21.210 --> 00:54:22.260
  • TONIGHT!"
  • 00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:23.260
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:54:23.260 --> 00:54:25.020
  • AND MY OFFICE MANAGER SAID,
  • 00:54:25.020 --> 00:54:26.000
  • "WELL, OF COURSE, HE WAS -- HE
  • 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:26.210
  • BELIEVES IN IT!"
  • 00:54:26.210 --> 00:54:29.060
  • AND HE'S LIKE, "WHAT'S
  • 00:54:29.060 --> 00:54:30.040
  • WRONG WITH-- WHY ARE YOU SO
  • 00:54:30.040 --> 00:54:30.240
  • UPSET?"
  • 00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:31.060
  • AND SHE SAID: "BECAUSE, I,
  • 00:54:31.230 --> 00:54:34.230
  • UH...WHEN I WAS A YOUNG GIRL, I
  • 00:54:34.230 --> 00:54:35.200
  • HAD DREAMS.
  • 00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:38.190
  • WHEN I WENT TO SLEEP AT NIGHT,
  • 00:54:38.190 --> 00:54:40.010
  • I HAD DREAMS OF ME MINISTERING
  • 00:54:40.010 --> 00:54:40.220
  • TO FILIPINO PEOPLE."
  • 00:54:40.220 --> 00:54:41.170
  • - MATT: HMMH.
  • 00:54:41.170 --> 00:54:42.060
  • - JOHN: SHE SAID, "I HAVE BEEN
  • 00:54:42.060 --> 00:54:43.220
  • THE SENIOR PASTOR OF THIS
  • 00:54:43.220 --> 00:54:45.060
  • CHURCH IN AUSTRALIA FOR 35
  • 00:54:45.060 --> 00:54:45.250
  • YEARS."
  • 00:54:47.210 --> 00:54:50.210
  • AND MY OFFICE MANAGER, JUST
  • 00:54:50.210 --> 00:54:51.110
  • VERY WISELY, SAID, "WELL..."
  • 00:54:51.110 --> 00:54:52.200
  • WELL, ONE YEAR LATER,
  • 00:54:52.200 --> 00:54:55.040
  • WE HEARD SHE GAVE IT TO HER
  • 00:54:55.040 --> 00:54:55.240
  • EXECUTIVE PASTOR AND SHE MOVED
  • 00:54:55.240 --> 00:54:57.100
  • TO THE PHILIPPINES.
  • 00:54:57.100 --> 00:54:58.010
  • AND ACCORDING TO HER
  • 00:54:58.010 --> 00:55:00.050
  • WORDS, SHE'S HAVING THE TIME OF
  • 00:55:00.050 --> 00:55:02.180
  • HER LIFE.
  • 00:55:02.180 --> 00:55:03.190
  • - LAURIE: WOW.
  • 00:55:03.190 --> 00:55:04.050
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:55:04.050 --> 00:55:04.180
  • - JOHN: WE'RE NEVER, EVER
  • 00:55:04.180 --> 00:55:05.090
  • GOING TO BE FULLY FULFILLED
  • 00:55:05.090 --> 00:55:06.070
  • UNTIL WE'RE DOING.
  • 00:55:06.070 --> 00:55:07.290
  • AND LET ME-- LET ME TELL YOU
  • 00:55:07.290 --> 00:55:10.070
  • HOW THIS HAPPENED WITH ME.
  • 00:55:10.070 --> 00:55:11.060
  • THERE'S A REASON I'M SO
  • 00:55:11.060 --> 00:55:12.110
  • PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:55:12.110 --> 00:55:13.280
  • MY DAD WAS AN ENGINEER FOR
  • 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.060
  • DUPONT FOR 40 YEARS.
  • 00:55:15.230 --> 00:55:18.230
  • AND, I REMEMBER MY DAD JUST
  • 00:55:18.230 --> 00:55:19.250
  • SAYING ONE TIME, "JOHN, YOU
  • 00:55:19.250 --> 00:55:20.200
  • SHOULD BE AN ENGINEER."
  • 00:55:20.200 --> 00:55:22.070
  • 'CAUSE I WAS GOOD AT MATH, GOOD
  • 00:55:22.070 --> 00:55:22.290
  • AT SCIENCE.
  • 00:55:22.290 --> 00:55:23.180
  • HE SAID, "YOU SHOULD BE AN
  • 00:55:23.180 --> 00:55:24.070
  • ENGINEER."
  • 00:55:24.070 --> 00:55:24.240
  • SO, I WENT TO PURDUE UNIVERSITY
  • 00:55:24.240 --> 00:55:25.160
  • AND I CO-OPED.
  • 00:55:25.160 --> 00:55:28.110
  • AND "CO-OPED" MEANS YOU GO TO
  • 00:55:28.110 --> 00:55:29.040
  • SCHOOL A SEMESTER AND YOU WORK
  • 00:55:29.040 --> 00:55:29.250
  • A SEMESTER.
  • 00:55:29.250 --> 00:55:30.070
  • AND THE COMPANY I WORKED FOR
  • 00:55:30.070 --> 00:55:30.270
  • WAS IBM.
  • 00:55:30.270 --> 00:55:32.240
  • AND I WAS DOWN AT RESEARCH
  • 00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:33.130
  • TRIANGLE PARK, DOWN NEAR
  • 00:55:33.130 --> 00:55:34.130
  • RALEIGH-DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA,
  • 00:55:34.130 --> 00:55:35.050
  • AT THE-- MY JUNIOR YEAR.
  • 00:55:35.050 --> 00:55:36.280
  • AND ALL THE ENGINEERS -- THERE
  • 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.160
  • WAS ABOUT 14 OF THEM IN THE
  • 00:55:39.160 --> 00:55:41.000
  • DEPARTMENT -- WERE IN A ROOM
  • 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:42.140
  • AND WE WERE CELEBRATING THIS
  • 00:55:42.140 --> 00:55:43.090
  • GUY'S 38TH YEAR WITH THE
  • 00:55:43.090 --> 00:55:44.020
  • COMPANY.
  • 00:55:44.020 --> 00:55:45.050
  • AND SO, WE'RE IN THERE AND
  • 00:55:45.050 --> 00:55:46.200
  • THEY'RE ALL DRINKING THEIR
  • 00:55:46.200 --> 00:55:47.100
  • COFFEES.
  • 00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:48.140
  • I DON'T DRINK COFFEE.
  • 00:55:48.140 --> 00:55:49.260
  • SO, THE GUY GOES -- THE GUY WE
  • 00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:50.170
  • WERE CELEBRATING -- GOES,
  • 00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:51.060
  • "WELL," HE SAID, "I'VE HATED
  • 00:55:51.060 --> 00:55:52.060
  • EVERY DAY I'VE WALKED INTO THIS
  • 00:55:52.060 --> 00:55:54.190
  • PLACE FOR 38 YEARS."
  • 00:55:54.190 --> 00:55:56.200
  • - MATT: WOW...WOW...WOW.
  • 00:55:56.200 --> 00:55:57.190
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:55:57.190 --> 00:55:59.050
  • - JOHN: AND EVERYBODY LAUGHED,
  • 00:55:59.050 --> 00:56:00.260
  • AS IF TO SAY, "YEAH, WE'RE WITH
  • 00:56:00.260 --> 00:56:01.250
  • YOU," RIGHT?
  • 00:56:01.250 --> 00:56:03.130
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:56:03.130 --> 00:56:04.020
  • AND I'M THE ONLY ONE NOT
  • 00:56:04.020 --> 00:56:05.230
  • LAUGHING.
  • 00:56:05.230 --> 00:56:07.260
  • AND, I FINALLY JUST GO, "WHY
  • 00:56:07.260 --> 00:56:08.210
  • HAVE YOU DONE THIS?!"
  • 00:56:08.210 --> 00:56:11.090
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:56:11.090 --> 00:56:12.030
  • - JOHN: OKAY?
  • 00:56:12.030 --> 00:56:12.210
  • I'M A JUNIOR IN COLLEGE, RIGHT?
  • 00:56:12.210 --> 00:56:13.130
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:56:13.130 --> 00:56:14.130
  • AND HE LOOKS AT ME AND HE GOES,
  • 00:56:14.130 --> 00:56:15.050
  • "IT'S A JOB."
  • 00:56:15.050 --> 00:56:17.050
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:56:17.050 --> 00:56:17.260
  • - JOHN: "THE MONEY."
  • 00:56:17.260 --> 00:56:18.260
  • AND I MADE UP MY MIND RIGHT
  • 00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:20.150
  • THERE: I'M GOING TO OBEY GOD.
  • 00:56:20.150 --> 00:56:23.070
  • SO, THIS IS WHAT I DID.
  • 00:56:23.070 --> 00:56:24.040
  • MY SENIOR YEAR, I TELL MY
  • 00:56:25.170 --> 00:56:26.220
  • CATHOLIC MOTHER...
  • 00:56:26.220 --> 00:56:27.240
  • [LAURIE GIGGLING]
  • 00:56:27.240 --> 00:56:28.270
  • ..."I'M NOT COMING HOME FOR
  • 00:56:28.270 --> 00:56:29.170
  • THANKSGIVING."
  • 00:56:29.170 --> 00:56:31.080
  • AND THAT ONE WAS REALLY HARD TO
  • 00:56:31.080 --> 00:56:32.030
  • EXPLAIN, BUT, I JUST SAID,
  • 00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:33.140
  • "MOM, I JUST NEED TO PRAY."
  • 00:56:33.140 --> 00:56:36.060
  • SHE WAS LIKE, "PRAY?!
  • 00:56:36.060 --> 00:56:36.230
  • YOU CAN PRAY HERE AT THE
  • 00:56:36.230 --> 00:56:37.110
  • HOUSE!"
  • 00:56:37.110 --> 00:56:37.210
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:38.070
  • I WAS LIKE, "NO, NO, NO."
  • 00:56:38.070 --> 00:56:39.200
  • SO, ALL MY FRATERNITY BROTHERS
  • 00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:40.110
  • WENT HOME AND THE WHOLE
  • 00:56:40.110 --> 00:56:41.010
  • FRATERNITY HOUSE WAS ALL MINE
  • 00:56:41.010 --> 00:56:42.090
  • FOR FOUR DAYS,
  • 00:56:42.090 --> 00:56:43.210
  • FROM THANKSGIVING
  • 00:56:43.210 --> 00:56:44.060
  • DAY TILL SUNDAY.
  • 00:56:44.060 --> 00:56:44.260
  • AND I FASTED.
  • 00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:46.230
  • AND I SAID: "GOD, YOU PUT ME ON
  • 00:56:46.230 --> 00:56:47.150
  • THIS EARTH FOR A REASON.
  • 00:56:47.150 --> 00:56:48.070
  • AND I'M NOT GONNA BE ONE OF
  • 00:56:48.070 --> 00:56:50.020
  • THOSE GUYS THAT SAYS, 'I'VE
  • 00:56:50.020 --> 00:56:50.250
  • HATED EVERY DAY FOR 38 YEARS.'"
  • 00:56:50.250 --> 00:56:52.030
  • - MATT: WOW...WOW.
  • 00:56:52.030 --> 00:56:52.200
  • - JOHN: AND I REMEMBER -- AS A
  • 00:56:55.010 --> 00:56:55.230
  • RESULT OF THAT FOUR-DAY FAST,
  • 00:56:55.230 --> 00:56:56.210
  • GOD GAVE ME A GLIMPSE OF WHAT
  • 00:56:56.210 --> 00:56:57.200
  • I'MONA BE DOIN'.
  • 00:56:57.200 --> 00:56:58.240
  • AND I STILL HAVE IT WRITTEN
  • 00:56:58.240 --> 00:56:59.240
  • DOWN -- 1981.
  • 00:57:02.210 --> 00:57:05.210
  • THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS GOD
  • 00:57:05.210 --> 00:57:06.120
  • SAID.
  • 00:57:06.120 --> 00:57:06.210
  • HE SAID: YOU'LL BE A NOURISHING
  • 00:57:06.210 --> 00:57:07.130
  • TREE OFF OF WHICH MANY NATIONS
  • 00:57:07.130 --> 00:57:09.010
  • WILL GROW AND MATURE.
  • 00:57:09.010 --> 00:57:11.120
  • AND HE SAID: I'M RAISING UP AN
  • 00:57:11.120 --> 00:57:13.050
  • ARMY TO STAND WITH YOU AND THE
  • 00:57:13.050 --> 00:57:14.190
  • WORK I'VE CALLED YOU TO DO.
  • 00:57:14.190 --> 00:57:16.060
  • WELL, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR,
  • 00:57:16.060 --> 00:57:17.210
  • WE WILL HAVE GIVEN -- MESSENGER
  • 00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:19.170
  • INTERNATIONAL -- WE WILL HAVE
  • 00:57:19.170 --> 00:57:21.240
  • GIVEN 10 MILLION RESOURCES TO
  • 00:57:21.240 --> 00:57:22.180
  • PASTORS AND LEADERS IN 84
  • 00:57:22.180 --> 00:57:24.100
  • NATIONS.
  • 00:57:24.100 --> 00:57:25.160
  • - LAURIE: WOW...
  • 00:57:25.160 --> 00:57:27.210
  • - JOHN: YOU KNOW, OUR
  • 00:57:27.210 --> 00:57:28.200
  • CURRICULUMS AND OUR BOOKS.
  • 00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:29.090
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:30.100
  • - JOHN: AND I REALIZE-- I
  • 00:57:30.100 --> 00:57:30.290
  • MEAN, I WAS JUST TOLD I'M THE
  • 00:57:30.290 --> 00:57:31.200
  • MOST PUBLISHED AUTHOR IN
  • 00:57:31.200 --> 00:57:33.010
  • VIETNAM, SECULAR CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:57:33.010 --> 00:57:35.110
  • I'M THE MOST PUBLISHED AUTHOR
  • 00:57:35.110 --> 00:57:36.100
  • IN MONGOLIA, I WAS JUST TOLD.
  • 00:57:36.100 --> 00:57:37.010
  • AND ON AND ON AND ON.
  • 00:57:37.010 --> 00:57:38.180
  • GOD LITERALLY GAVE ME A
  • 00:57:38.180 --> 00:57:40.240
  • GLIMPSE, AS A RESULT OF SEEKING
  • 00:57:40.240 --> 00:57:41.240
  • HIM.
  • 00:57:41.240 --> 00:57:42.160
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:57:42.160 --> 00:57:43.080
  • - JOHN: MY PLAN TO SERVE GOD
  • 00:57:43.080 --> 00:57:45.120
  • WAS I WAS GONNA GO TO HARVARD,
  • 00:57:45.120 --> 00:57:46.130
  • I WAS GONNA GET MY MBA, I WAS
  • 00:57:46.130 --> 00:57:48.050
  • GONNA MARRY A PRETTY GIRL, I
  • 00:57:48.050 --> 00:57:50.240
  • WAS GONNA TAKE--
  • 00:57:50.240 --> 00:57:51.120
  • - LAURIE: THAT YOU DID!
  • 00:57:51.120 --> 00:57:52.000
  • - JOHN: AND I DID.
  • 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:52.160
  • - LAURIE: YES, YOU DID!
  • 00:57:52.160 --> 00:57:53.040
  • - JOHN: I GOT THAT ONE
  • 00:57:53.040 --> 00:57:53.220
  • ACCOMPLISHED.
  • 00:57:53.220 --> 00:57:54.050
  • GOD LET ME HAVE THAT ONE.
  • 00:57:54.050 --> 00:57:55.120
  • I WAS GONNA TAKE THREE
  • 00:57:55.120 --> 00:57:56.000
  • VACATIONS A YEAR AND I WAS
  • 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:57.230
  • GONNA TITHE TO MY CHURCH.
  • 00:57:57.230 --> 00:57:58.160
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:57:58.160 --> 00:57:59.100
  • - JOHN: THAT WAS THE WAY I WAS
  • 00:57:59.100 --> 00:58:00.040
  • GONNA SERVE GOD.
  • 00:58:00.040 --> 00:58:00.180
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:58:00.180 --> 00:58:01.020
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:58:01.020 --> 00:58:02.280
  • - JOHN: BUT WHEN I SOUGHT
  • 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:03.210
  • HIM-- BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:58:03.210 --> 00:58:04.130
  • SITTIN' THERE THINKIN' RIGHT
  • 00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:05.250
  • NOW: HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:06.160
  • REALLY CREATED TO DO?
  • 00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:07.030
  • - LAURIE: EXACTLY.
  • 00:58:07.030 --> 00:58:07.190
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:58:07.190 --> 00:58:08.070
  • - LAURIE: YES.
  • 00:58:08.070 --> 00:58:09.030
  • - JOHN: AND SO-- I'M
  • 00:58:09.030 --> 00:58:09.220
  • DOMINATING RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:58:09.220 --> 00:58:10.250
  • - LAURIE: NO, I LOVE IT.
  • 00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:11.140
  • - JOHN: I'M THE ONLY ONE
  • 00:58:11.140 --> 00:58:12.030
  • TALKING, SO...
  • 00:58:12.030 --> 00:58:12.160
  • - LAURIE: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:58:12.160 --> 00:58:13.060
  • HERE FOR.
  • 00:58:13.060 --> 00:58:13.170
  • - JOHN: MATT, I'M NOT USED TO
  • 00:58:13.170 --> 00:58:14.080
  • BEING AROUND YOU AND YOU BEING
  • 00:58:14.080 --> 00:58:14.290
  • SO QUIET.
  • 00:58:14.290 --> 00:58:15.150
  • WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING RIGHT
  • 00:58:15.150 --> 00:58:16.080
  • NOW?
  • 00:58:16.110 --> 00:58:19.110
  • - LAURIE: BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:20.020
  • THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
  • 00:58:20.020 --> 00:58:20.190
  • HANG ON ONE SECOND.
  • 00:58:20.190 --> 00:58:21.050
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:58:21.050 --> 00:58:22.000
  • THAT'S SO IMPORTANT, JOHN,
  • 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.170
  • BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE
  • 00:58:24.170 --> 00:58:25.090
  • SITTING THERE, GOING: I DON'T
  • 00:58:25.090 --> 00:58:26.070
  • FEEL CALLED.
  • 00:58:26.070 --> 00:58:27.140
  • - JOHN: EVERYBODY'S CALLED.
  • 00:58:27.140 --> 00:58:28.040
  • - LAURIE: I DON'T KNOW--
  • 00:58:28.040 --> 00:58:28.230
  • EVERYBODY IS CALLED.
  • 00:58:28.230 --> 00:58:30.290
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:58:30.290 --> 00:58:32.020
  • - LAURIE: YES, YOU ARE CALLED!
  • 00:58:32.020 --> 00:58:32.240
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:58:32.240 --> 00:58:33.130
  • - JOHN: EVERYBODY!
  • 00:58:33.130 --> 00:58:34.010
  • YOU'RE CALLED!
  • 00:58:34.010 --> 00:58:35.000
  • YOU ARE CALLED!
  • 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:35.150
  • - LAURIE: YOU'RE CALLED.
  • 00:58:35.150 --> 00:58:36.170
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:58:36.170 --> 00:58:37.190
  • AND SO, HOW DO WE--
  • 00:58:39.270 --> 00:58:42.270
  • GROWING UP, IT WAS, YOU
  • 00:58:42.270 --> 00:58:45.140
  • KNOW: GOD'S WILL FOR YOU.
  • 00:58:45.140 --> 00:58:46.030
  • WHAT IS GOD'S WILL FOR YOU?
  • 00:58:46.030 --> 00:58:47.030
  • AND I REMEMBER GROWING UP, THAT
  • 00:58:47.030 --> 00:58:48.170
  • WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL IN MY MIND,
  • 00:58:49.120 --> 00:58:52.120
  • GOING: BOY, I DON'T THINK I
  • 00:58:52.120 --> 00:58:53.150
  • KNOW WHAT GOD'S WILL IS FOR ME.
  • 00:58:53.150 --> 00:58:56.080
  • YOU KNOW AND IT WOULD KIND OF
  • 00:58:56.080 --> 00:58:57.230
  • HAUNT ME AS A LITTLE GIRL,
  • 00:58:57.230 --> 00:58:58.240
  • THINKING, I'VE GOTTA FIND OUT
  • 00:58:58.240 --> 00:58:59.150
  • WHAT GOD WILLS FOR ME.
  • 00:58:59.150 --> 00:59:01.210
  • WHAT IS GOD-- YOU KNOW, HIS
  • 00:59:01.210 --> 00:59:02.250
  • KINGDOM, I GOTTA GET IN HIS
  • 00:59:02.250 --> 00:59:03.270
  • KINGDOM AND DO HIS WILL FOR ME.
  • 00:59:03.270 --> 00:59:04.210
  • WHAT IS THAT?
  • 00:59:04.210 --> 00:59:07.210
  • AND I KNOW PEOPLE -- NO MATTER
  • 00:59:07.210 --> 00:59:10.040
  • HOW OLD YOU ARE -- I KNOW THERE
  • 00:59:10.040 --> 00:59:10.260
  • ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CRYING OUT.
  • 00:59:11.150 --> 00:59:14.150
  • IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL
  • 00:59:14.150 --> 00:59:16.230
  • LIKE WE NEED TO DO?
  • 00:59:16.230 --> 00:59:17.130
  • YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT
  • 00:59:17.130 --> 00:59:18.180
  • SOMEONE FEELING, LIKE: YOU
  • 00:59:18.180 --> 00:59:19.130
  • KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FOOD
  • 00:59:19.130 --> 00:59:20.110
  • MINISTRY.
  • 00:59:20.110 --> 00:59:22.200
  • WELL, GO GET A CAN OF BEANS OUT
  • 00:59:22.200 --> 00:59:23.180
  • OF YOUR CABINET AND GIVE IT TO
  • 00:59:23.180 --> 00:59:24.250
  • SOMEONE WHO NEEDS IT.
  • 00:59:25.220 --> 00:59:28.220
  • YOU KNOW, SO, WAYS TO START
  • 00:59:28.220 --> 00:59:29.270
  • SOMETHING, BUT HOW DO WE HELP
  • 00:59:29.270 --> 00:59:31.030
  • THOSE PEOPLE THAT JUST ARE
  • 00:59:31.030 --> 00:59:31.290
  • FROZEN, THEY'RE PARALYZED, NOT
  • 00:59:31.290 --> 00:59:34.290
  • KNOWING EXACTLY?
  • 00:59:37.180 --> 00:59:40.180
  • - JOHN: FIRST OF ALL, GOD
  • 00:59:40.180 --> 00:59:41.070
  • WANTS US TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:59:41.070 --> 00:59:41.270
  • CALLED TO DO MORE THAN WE WANNA
  • 00:59:41.270 --> 00:59:42.190
  • KNOW WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO.
  • 00:59:42.190 --> 00:59:43.150
  • SO, IF YOU'RE LISTENING RIGHT
  • 00:59:43.150 --> 00:59:44.060
  • NOW-- OR WATCHING RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:59:44.060 --> 00:59:44.260
  • KNOW THIS: GOD IS MORE
  • 00:59:44.260 --> 00:59:45.170
  • PASSIONATE--
  • 00:59:45.170 --> 00:59:46.060
  • 'CAUSE ONE DAY, GOD SPOKE TO
  • 00:59:46.060 --> 00:59:46.280
  • ME.
  • 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:47.190
  • HE SAID: WHO CREATED THIS
  • 00:59:47.190 --> 00:59:48.080
  • MINISTRY THAT I'VE CALLED YOU
  • 00:59:48.080 --> 00:59:50.020
  • TO?
  • 00:59:50.020 --> 00:59:50.240
  • WHO CREATED IT -- ME OR YOU?
  • 00:59:50.240 --> 00:59:52.290
  • I SAID: YOU DID.
  • 00:59:52.290 --> 00:59:53.180
  • HE SAID: DON'T YOU THINK I'M
  • 00:59:53.180 --> 00:59:54.250
  • MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MY
  • 00:59:54.250 --> 00:59:56.000
  • MINISTRY THAN YOU ARE?
  • 00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:56.260
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:59:56.260 --> 00:59:57.240
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:59:57.240 --> 00:59:58.100
  • THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:59:58.100 --> 00:59:58.260
  • - JOHN: SO, THAT HELPED ME A
  • 00:59:58.260 --> 00:59:59.170
  • LOT.
  • 00:59:59.170 --> 00:59:59.270
  • - MATT: THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:59:59.270 --> 01:00:00.140
  • - JOHN: SO, GOD'S MORE
  • 01:00:00.140 --> 01:00:01.020
  • PASSIONATE ABOUT YOU FULFILLING
  • 01:00:01.020 --> 01:00:01.240
  • WHAT HE'S CREATED YOU TO DO
  • 01:00:01.240 --> 01:00:02.140
  • THAN EVEN YOU ARE.
  • 01:00:02.140 --> 01:00:03.030
  • SO, KNOW THAT.
  • 01:00:03.030 --> 01:00:04.010
  • NUMBER TWO: WHEN WE DELIGHT
  • 01:00:04.010 --> 01:00:05.200
  • OURSELVES IN THE LORD, THE
  • 01:00:05.200 --> 01:00:06.280
  • BIBLE SAYS HE GIVES US THE
  • 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.290
  • DESIRES OF OUR HEART.
  • 01:00:07.290 --> 01:00:10.080
  • WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
  • 01:00:10.080 --> 01:00:10.240
  • HE PLACES HIS DESIRES IN US.
  • 01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:13.050
  • SO, I'VE GOT A DESIRE
  • 01:00:13.050 --> 01:00:13.260
  • TO FEED PEOPLE.
  • 01:00:13.260 --> 01:00:14.130
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 01:00:14.130 --> 01:00:14.280
  • - JOHN: LISTEN TO THAT!
  • 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:15.210
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:00:15.210 --> 01:00:16.140
  • - JOHN: OKAY?
  • 01:00:16.140 --> 01:00:17.180
  • BUT HERE, LET'S GO FURTHER.
  • 01:00:17.180 --> 01:00:19.050
  • HEBREWS 11:6 SAYS: GOD REWARDS
  • 01:00:19.050 --> 01:00:20.080
  • THOSE WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM
  • 01:00:20.080 --> 01:00:21.100
  • IN FAITH.
  • 01:00:21.100 --> 01:00:23.040
  • IT DOES NOT SAY HE REWARDS
  • 01:00:23.040 --> 01:00:24.040
  • THOSE WHO CASUALLY SEEK HIM IN
  • 01:00:24.040 --> 01:00:26.170
  • WONDER AND DOUBT.
  • 01:00:26.170 --> 01:00:27.170
  • I WILL BE VERY HONEST
  • 01:00:27.170 --> 01:00:28.080
  • WITH YOU -- IT WASN'T UNTIL I
  • 01:00:28.080 --> 01:00:29.110
  • REALLY STARTED SEEKING GOD --
  • 01:00:29.110 --> 01:00:31.230
  • SAME WAY WITH THAT NAVY SEAL
  • 01:00:31.230 --> 01:00:32.280
  • THAT I JUST EXPLAINED -- THAT
  • 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.000
  • GOD OPENED IT UP AND SHOWED IT
  • 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:35.070
  • TO ME.
  • 01:00:35.070 --> 01:00:36.180
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 01:00:36.180 --> 01:00:38.160
  • - JOHN: AND HERE'S ANOTHER
  • 01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:39.060
  • THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY:
  • 01:00:39.060 --> 01:00:41.080
  • HE DIDN'T SHOW ME EVERYTHING.
  • 01:00:41.080 --> 01:00:42.010
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:00:42.010 --> 01:00:42.220
  • - JOHN: HE GAVE ME A LITTLE
  • 01:00:42.220 --> 01:00:43.120
  • GLIMPSE.
  • 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:43.250
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:00:43.250 --> 01:00:44.100
  • - JOHN: I MEAN, JOSEPH GETS A
  • 01:00:44.100 --> 01:00:46.010
  • DREAM.
  • 01:00:46.010 --> 01:00:46.220
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE A LEADER AND
  • 01:00:46.220 --> 01:00:47.120
  • YOUR BROTHER'S GONNA SERVE YOU.
  • 01:00:47.120 --> 01:00:48.040
  • WELL, HE DIDN'T GET THE PART
  • 01:00:48.040 --> 01:00:48.260
  • ABOUT THE PIT.
  • 01:00:48.260 --> 01:00:50.070
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:00:50.070 --> 01:00:50.220
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:00:50.220 --> 01:00:51.070
  • - JOHN: HE DIDN'T GET THE TEN
  • 01:00:51.070 --> 01:00:51.280
  • YEARS OF SLAVERY...
  • 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:52.140
  • - MATT: YEAH, YEAH...
  • 01:00:52.140 --> 01:00:53.180
  • - JOHN: ...HE DIDN'T GET THE
  • 01:00:53.180 --> 01:00:54.090
  • PART ABOUT THE DUNGEON...
  • 01:00:54.090 --> 01:00:55.020
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:00:55.020 --> 01:00:55.190
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:56.210
  • - JOHN: ...HE JUST GOT THE
  • 01:00:56.210 --> 01:00:57.160
  • GLIMPSE.
  • 01:00:57.160 --> 01:00:58.010
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:00:58.010 --> 01:00:58.170
  • - JOHN: SO, OFTEN,
  • 01:00:58.170 --> 01:00:59.160
  • GOD GIVES US A GLIMPSE
  • 01:00:59.160 --> 01:01:00.080
  • AND WE'RE HERE AND
  • 01:01:00.080 --> 01:01:01.190
  • HERE'S THE GLIMPSE AND WE
  • 01:01:01.190 --> 01:01:02.280
  • THINK: AWH! EASY!
  • 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:03.170
  • BOOM!
  • 01:01:03.170 --> 01:01:05.050
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:01:05.050 --> 01:01:05.250
  • - JOHN: NO.
  • 01:01:05.250 --> 01:01:06.110
  • YOU GO THROUGH THIS DESERT,
  • 01:01:06.110 --> 01:01:07.010
  • THIS WILDERNESS, THIS CRUCIBLE,
  • 01:01:07.010 --> 01:01:07.240
  • THIS FURNACE, THIS DESERT, THIS
  • 01:01:07.240 --> 01:01:09.260
  • CRUCIBLE, AND THEN YOU END UP
  • 01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:10.290
  • HERE.
  • 01:01:10.290 --> 01:01:11.270
  • WHY?
  • 01:01:11.270 --> 01:01:12.150
  • BECAUSE YOU NEED THIS DESERT,
  • 01:01:12.150 --> 01:01:13.200
  • THIS CRUCIBLE, THIS FURNACE,
  • 01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:14.110
  • THIS-- TO CREATE THE CHARACTER
  • 01:01:14.110 --> 01:01:15.260
  • TO HANDLE THIS.
  • 01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:17.250
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:01:17.250 --> 01:01:18.170
  • - MATT: COME ON, NOW.
  • 01:01:18.170 --> 01:01:19.140
  • - LAURIE: THAT'S GOOD.
  • 01:01:19.140 --> 01:01:20.020
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:01:20.020 --> 01:01:20.190
  • - JOHN: OKAY?
  • 01:01:20.190 --> 01:01:21.190
  • SO...
  • 01:01:21.190 --> 01:01:22.110
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:01:22.110 --> 01:01:23.050
  • SO, GOD WILL GIVE YOU A GLIMPSE.
  • 01:01:28.130 --> 01:01:31.130
  • BUT HERE'S THE THING YOU HAVE
  • 01:01:31.130 --> 01:01:32.130
  • TO UNDERSTAND: GOD DIRECTS OUR
  • 01:01:32.130 --> 01:01:33.040
  • STEPS.
  • 01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:33.240
  • OUR STEPS ARE ORDERED OF HIM.
  • 01:01:33.240 --> 01:01:34.170
  • BUT YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT LIKE A
  • 01:01:34.170 --> 01:01:35.100
  • CAR.
  • 01:01:35.100 --> 01:01:35.260
  • YOU CAN'T STEER A CAR.
  • 01:01:35.260 --> 01:01:38.010
  • GOD CAN'T STEER OUR LIVES
  • 01:01:38.010 --> 01:01:38.280
  • UNLESS WE'RE MOVING!
  • 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.000
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.040
  • - JOHN: IF WE'RE JUST SITTING
  • 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:41.280
  • AND DOING NOTHING, LIKE I'VE
  • 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.250
  • GOT A DESIRE TO FEED PEOPLE AND
  • 01:01:43.250 --> 01:01:45.000
  • I'VE GOT FOOD IN MY PANTRY AND
  • 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.080
  • I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT I SEE THAT
  • 01:01:46.080 --> 01:01:47.230
  • ARE IN NEED -- HELLO?
  • 01:01:47.230 --> 01:01:48.210
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:01:48.210 --> 01:01:50.020
  • - JOHN: GO FOR IT.
  • 01:01:50.020 --> 01:01:50.210
  • OKAY?
  • 01:01:50.210 --> 01:01:51.120
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS-- I KNEW I
  • 01:01:51.120 --> 01:01:53.030
  • WAS CALLED TO MINISTRY, I
  • 01:01:53.030 --> 01:01:54.080
  • PREACHED IN DETENTION HOMES, I
  • 01:01:54.080 --> 01:01:55.030
  • PREACHED IN PRISONS!
  • 01:01:55.030 --> 01:01:56.100
  • I PREACHED TO ANYBODY THAT
  • 01:01:56.100 --> 01:01:57.110
  • MOVED!
  • 01:01:57.110 --> 01:01:58.040
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:01:58.040 --> 01:01:59.000
  • - JOHN: I MEAN, I'D FIND GUYS
  • 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:00.090
  • ON THE STREET AND I'D BRING 'EM
  • 01:02:00.090 --> 01:02:01.070
  • TO MY APARTMENT AND I'D TELL
  • 01:02:01.070 --> 01:02:02.190
  • 'EM ABOUT JESUS AND GIVE 'EM
  • 01:02:02.190 --> 01:02:04.000
  • FOOD.
  • 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.020
  • AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PRAY FOR
  • 01:02:05.020 --> 01:02:06.030
  • THEM TO GET HEALED AND THEY'D
  • 01:02:06.030 --> 01:02:07.130
  • GET HEALED.
  • 01:02:07.130 --> 01:02:08.010
  • THEY WERE THE EASIEST PEOPLE TO
  • 01:02:08.010 --> 01:02:08.230
  • GET HEALED, THE UNBELIEVERS.
  • 01:02:08.230 --> 01:02:09.130
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:09.270
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:02:09.270 --> 01:02:10.140
  • - JOHN: AND, I JUST STARTED
  • 01:02:10.140 --> 01:02:12.110
  • PREACHING!
  • 01:02:12.110 --> 01:02:14.140
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:02:14.140 --> 01:02:15.030
  • - JOHN: I WASN'T WAITING FOR
  • 01:02:15.030 --> 01:02:15.240
  • GOD TO OPEN UP THE
  • 01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:16.090
  • INTERNATIONAL DOORS THAT HE'S
  • 01:02:16.090 --> 01:02:17.020
  • OPENED UP NOW.
  • 01:02:17.020 --> 01:02:17.210
  • HE'S-- I BELIEVE HE'S ONLY
  • 01:02:17.210 --> 01:02:19.030
  • OPENED THIS NOW 'CAUSE I WAS
  • 01:02:19.030 --> 01:02:19.230
  • FAITHFUL TO DO WHAT I WAS
  • 01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:20.180
  • CREATED TO DO BACK THEN.
  • 01:02:20.250 --> 01:02:23.250
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:02:23.250 --> 01:02:24.090
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:02:24.090 --> 01:02:24.200
  • BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:02:24.200 --> 01:02:26.120
  • OUR GUEST TONIGHT IS
  • 01:02:26.120 --> 01:02:26.280
  • AND, TONIGHT, WE ARE DISCUSSING
  • 01:02:29.130 --> 01:02:30.230
  • ETERNITY.
  • 01:02:30.230 --> 01:02:32.070
  • UH, THE 800 NUMBER THAT'S ON
  • 01:02:32.070 --> 01:02:33.130
  • THE SCREEN IS A VERY SPECIAL
  • 01:02:33.130 --> 01:02:34.290
  • NUMBER FOR TONIGHT -- DECEMBER
  • 01:02:34.290 --> 01:02:37.010
  • 1, 2016.
  • 01:02:37.010 --> 01:02:39.030
  • OR YOU'RE WATCHING THE REPLAY A
  • 01:02:39.030 --> 01:02:39.270
  • FEW DAYS LATER.
  • 01:02:41.140 --> 01:02:44.140
  • WE WANT THIS BOOK IN YOUR HANDS.
  • 01:02:44.140 --> 01:02:46.060
  • I WANNA SAY THIS.
  • 01:02:46.250 --> 01:02:49.250
  • WE'RE GONNA GO TO A ROLL-IN.
  • 01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:51.230
  • THE PARTNERS OF TBN, THOSE THAT
  • 01:02:51.230 --> 01:02:53.040
  • HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS NETWORK
  • 01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:55.280
  • FOR, NOW, 44 YEARS, AND, UM,
  • 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.180
  • YOU KNOW, YOU BELIEVED THAT IT
  • 01:02:58.210 --> 01:03:01.230
  • WAS A DESTINY MOMENT BACK 44
  • 01:03:01.230 --> 01:03:04.220
  • YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WERE A
  • 01:03:04.220 --> 01:03:07.080
  • HANDFUL OF VIEWERS.
  • 01:03:07.080 --> 01:03:08.260
  • AND NOW, 44 YEARS LATER,
  • 01:03:08.260 --> 01:03:11.050
  • MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE
  • 01:03:11.050 --> 01:03:12.210
  • ACCEPTED JESUS.
  • 01:03:12.210 --> 01:03:14.020
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 01:03:14.200 --> 01:03:17.200
  • - MATT: AND, THERE WAS A
  • 01:03:17.200 --> 01:03:18.260
  • DRIVEN-BY-ETERNITY MOMENT MANY
  • 01:03:19.140 --> 01:03:22.140
  • YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE STARTED
  • 01:03:22.140 --> 01:03:23.290
  • BELIEVING IN.
  • 01:03:24.030 --> 01:03:27.030
  • IT WAS A BELIEF BY THE VIEWERS
  • 01:03:27.030 --> 01:03:28.040
  • OF TBN.
  • 01:03:28.040 --> 01:03:30.160
  • AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT
  • 01:03:30.160 --> 01:03:31.120
  • TONIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 01:03:31.120 --> 01:03:32.020
  • ETERNITY IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 01:03:32.020 --> 01:03:33.290
  • WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SEGMENT WE'RE
  • 01:03:33.290 --> 01:03:34.250
  • GONNA COME BACK WITH JOHN.
  • 01:03:34.250 --> 01:03:35.180
  • AND, JOHN, I KNOW THAT SOME
  • 01:03:35.180 --> 01:03:38.040
  • PEOPLE ARE VIEWING RIGHT NOW,
  • 01:03:38.120 --> 01:03:41.120
  • WONDERING IF THEY'RE THE PASTOR
  • 01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:42.100
  • THAT SHOULD BE THE PASTOR THAT
  • 01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:44.200
  • SHOULD BE THE PLUMBER, OR THE
  • 01:03:44.200 --> 01:03:45.230
  • PLUMBER THAT SHOULD BE THE
  • 01:03:45.230 --> 01:03:46.120
  • PASTOR.
  • 01:03:46.120 --> 01:03:47.080
  • MY DAD USED TO SAY THIS -- THAT
  • 01:03:47.080 --> 01:03:48.210
  • THE OLD FARMER WALKED OUT INTO
  • 01:03:48.210 --> 01:03:49.150
  • A FIELD, LOOKED UP, AND IN THE
  • 01:03:50.210 --> 01:03:53.210
  • CLOUDS, PERFECTLY SPELLED OUT,
  • 01:03:53.210 --> 01:03:55.000
  • A BIG GIANT "PC."
  • 01:03:56.150 --> 01:03:59.150
  • AND HE SAID: "THAT'S
  • 01:03:59.150 --> 01:04:00.210
  • IT -- PREACH CHRIST.
  • 01:04:00.210 --> 01:04:02.180
  • THAT'S MY SIGN.
  • 01:04:02.180 --> 01:04:04.040
  • THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING."
  • 01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:06.090
  • AND THE LORD GRACIOUSLY CALLED
  • 01:04:06.090 --> 01:04:07.020
  • DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND SAID:
  • 01:04:07.020 --> 01:04:08.120
  • NO, NO, NO, NO -- PLOW CORN,
  • 01:04:08.120 --> 01:04:09.120
  • OKAY?
  • 01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:11.110
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 01:04:11.110 --> 01:04:13.290
  • AND SO, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE
  • 01:04:13.290 --> 01:04:14.230
  • WONDERING WHETHER THEY'RE
  • 01:04:14.230 --> 01:04:17.040
  • SUPPOSED TO PREACH CHRIST OR
  • 01:04:17.040 --> 01:04:18.040
  • PLOW CORN, OKAY?
  • 01:04:18.060 --> 01:04:21.060
  • - JOHN: RIGHT.
  • 01:04:21.060 --> 01:04:22.110
  • - MATT: AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE
  • 01:04:22.110 --> 01:04:23.030
  • TALKING ABOUT, THAT THAT IS THE
  • 01:04:23.030 --> 01:04:24.230
  • REWARD, THAT IF YOU'RE
  • 01:04:27.070 --> 01:04:30.070
  • CALLED TO PLOW CORN, GET AFTER
  • 01:04:30.070 --> 01:04:30.280
  • IT.
  • 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:31.080
  • IF YOU'RE CALLED TO PREACH
  • 01:04:31.080 --> 01:04:32.080
  • CHRIST, GET AFTER IT.
  • 01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:32.250
  • THAT IS WHAT GOD'S CALLED SOME
  • 01:04:32.250 --> 01:04:33.250
  • TO DO.
  • 01:04:33.250 --> 01:04:36.070
  • THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN WATCHING
  • 01:04:36.070 --> 01:04:39.000
  • AND FAITHFULLY SUPPORTING THIS
  • 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:40.160
  • NETWORK OVER ALL THOSE YEARS,
  • 01:04:40.160 --> 01:04:41.150
  • THIS LIFE WAS CHANGED BECAUSE
  • 01:04:41.150 --> 01:04:44.140
  • OF YOUR FAITHFULNESS OVER ALL
  • 01:04:44.140 --> 01:04:46.220
  • THE YEARS.
  • 01:04:46.220 --> 01:04:48.130
  • WATCH KANDRA-- WATCH KANDRA'S
  • 01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:50.260
  • "MY STORY" RIGHT HERE, RIGHT
  • 01:04:50.260 --> 01:04:51.210
  • NOW.
  • 01:04:51.210 --> 01:04:52.150
  • WE'RE BACK WITH JOHN BEVERE IN
  • 01:04:52.150 --> 01:04:53.060
  • - KANDRA ALBURY: AS A CHILD, I
  • 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.010
  • WAS A MUTE.
  • 01:04:59.010 --> 01:04:59.240
  • ...PARTICULARLY AROUND ADULTS
  • 01:05:03.150 --> 01:05:04.060
  • BECAUSE I DIDN'T TRUST THEM.
  • 01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:06.070
  • BECAUSE, MY PREDATOR TOOK MY
  • 01:05:06.070 --> 01:05:07.050
  • VOICE.
  • 01:05:11.060 --> 01:05:14.060
  • I ENCOUNTERED SEXUAL ABUSE
  • 01:05:15.120 --> 01:05:18.120
  • BETWEEN THE AGES OF FIVE AND
  • 01:05:18.120 --> 01:05:19.020
  • SEVEN YEARS OLD.
  • 01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:23.070
  • I REALIZED THAT ONCE MY VOICE
  • 01:05:23.070 --> 01:05:24.100
  • WAS STOLEN, MY INNOCENCE WAS
  • 01:05:24.100 --> 01:05:26.050
  • STOLEN, MY AUTHENTIC IDENTITY
  • 01:05:26.050 --> 01:05:27.120
  • WAS STOLEN.
  • 01:05:29.070 --> 01:05:32.070
  • AND SO, I TOOK ON THE BLAME,
  • 01:05:32.220 --> 01:05:35.220
  • THE GUILT, THE SHAME, MOSTLY
  • 01:05:35.220 --> 01:05:36.270
  • BLAMING MYSELF.
  • 01:05:37.150 --> 01:05:40.150
  • THROUGH THE YEARS, I WONDERED,
  • 01:05:40.150 --> 01:05:41.130
  • YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS
  • 01:05:41.130 --> 01:05:43.050
  • SOMETHING THAT I COULD DO
  • 01:05:43.050 --> 01:05:43.280
  • DIFFERENTLY, OR, IF THERE'S
  • 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.010
  • SOMETHING I COULD HAVE SAID.
  • 01:05:45.010 --> 01:05:46.270
  • AND NOW THAT I'M AN ADULT, I
  • 01:05:46.270 --> 01:05:48.050
  • REALIZE IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO
  • 01:05:48.050 --> 01:05:51.000
  • HAPPEN.
  • 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:52.230
  • I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN
  • 01:05:52.230 --> 01:05:53.190
  • MISHANDLED.
  • 01:05:53.190 --> 01:05:55.100
  • THAT ADULT HAD NO BUSINESS
  • 01:05:55.100 --> 01:05:56.100
  • VIOLATING MY TRUST.
  • 01:05:56.100 --> 01:05:58.070
  • AND I HAD A CHOICE.
  • 01:05:59.010 --> 01:06:02.030
  • I COULD EITHER LIVE MY LIFE IN
  • 01:06:02.030 --> 01:06:02.270
  • FEAR, OR I COULD LIVE MY LIFE
  • 01:06:02.270 --> 01:06:04.200
  • IN FAITH.
  • 01:06:04.200 --> 01:06:07.070
  • AND I CHOSE FAITH OVER FEAR.
  • 01:06:07.140 --> 01:06:10.140
  • I BELIEVE GOD PUT SOMETHING IN
  • 01:06:10.140 --> 01:06:11.240
  • ME WHEN IT CAME THROUGH TBN,
  • 01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:14.230
  • WHICH I BELIEVE BECAUSE THAT
  • 01:06:14.230 --> 01:06:16.100
  • WAS THE CHANNEL THAT OUR
  • 01:06:16.100 --> 01:06:17.120
  • TELEVISION STAYED ON.
  • 01:06:17.120 --> 01:06:18.150
  • I KNEW THAT DOWN WAS NOT MY
  • 01:06:18.150 --> 01:06:20.130
  • DESTINY AND THAT ONE DAY I
  • 01:06:20.130 --> 01:06:21.070
  • WOULD FIND HOPE AND I'D BE ABLE
  • 01:06:21.070 --> 01:06:22.100
  • TO TRUST AGAIN.
  • 01:06:22.170 --> 01:06:25.170
  • I FOUND THAT HOPE THROUGH THE
  • 01:06:25.170 --> 01:06:26.270
  • WORD OF GOD, PARTICULARLY IN
  • 01:06:26.270 --> 01:06:28.090
  • ISAIAH, THAT THE LORD WILL GIVE
  • 01:06:28.090 --> 01:06:29.220
  • US BEAUTY FOR ASHES.
  • 01:06:29.220 --> 01:06:32.000
  • HE'LL GIVE US THE OIL OF JOY.
  • 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.250
  • HE WILL GIVE US A GARMENT OF
  • 01:06:33.250 --> 01:06:35.120
  • PRAISE FOR THE SPIRIT OF
  • 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:36.130
  • HEAVINESS.
  • 01:06:36.130 --> 01:06:38.270
  • I ALWAYS SAY: WHEN YOU FORGIVE,
  • 01:06:38.270 --> 01:06:40.110
  • YOU'RE FREEING YOURSELF FROM
  • 01:06:40.110 --> 01:06:42.270
  • YOUR OWN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
  • 01:06:42.270 --> 01:06:45.110
  • AND SO, I WAS ABLE, THROUGH THE
  • 01:06:45.110 --> 01:06:47.210
  • YEARS, TO FIND CLOSURE, TO FIND
  • 01:06:47.210 --> 01:06:50.010
  • PEACE, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY,
  • 01:06:50.010 --> 01:06:52.190
  • TO NOT ONLY FORGIVE MY
  • 01:06:52.190 --> 01:06:54.210
  • PERPETRATORS BUT TO FORGIVE
  • 01:06:54.210 --> 01:06:56.110
  • MYSELF AND DECLARE THAT I WAS
  • 01:06:57.050 --> 01:07:00.070
  • NOT GUILTY AND THAT I AM
  • 01:07:00.070 --> 01:07:02.180
  • GOD'S WORD IS SO TRUE.
  • 01:07:11.060 --> 01:07:12.070
  • HE HAS A PLAN THAT'S FAR
  • 01:07:12.070 --> 01:07:13.170
  • GREATER THAN WE COULD EVER
  • 01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:14.070
  • IMAGINE OR THINK.
  • 01:07:14.070 --> 01:07:15.140
  • AND JUST LIKE ROMANS 8 AND 28
  • 01:07:15.140 --> 01:07:18.010
  • SAYS, WE KNOW THAT ALL THINGS
  • 01:07:18.010 --> 01:07:19.180
  • WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF
  • 01:07:19.180 --> 01:07:20.250
  • THEM WHO LOVE GOD, WHO ARE THE
  • 01:07:20.250 --> 01:07:23.080
  • CALLED, ACCORDING TO HIS
  • 01:07:23.080 --> 01:07:24.270
  • PURPOSE.
  • 01:07:24.270 --> 01:07:25.140
  • AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE
  • 01:07:25.140 --> 01:07:26.270
  • WAS PURPOSE IN MY PAIN,
  • 01:07:26.290 --> 01:07:29.290
  • PARTICULARLY NOW, AS A
  • 01:07:29.290 --> 01:07:31.050
  • CHILDREN'S ADVOCATE.
  • 01:07:31.050 --> 01:07:32.290
  • I GET TO BE THE VOICE FOR
  • 01:07:32.290 --> 01:07:34.040
  • CHILDREN.
  • 01:07:34.040 --> 01:07:34.270
  • I GET TO EMPOWER THEM AND
  • 01:07:34.270 --> 01:07:36.210
  • EDUCATE THEM.
  • 01:07:36.210 --> 01:07:37.260
  • SO, EVEN THOUGH I WENT THROUGH
  • 01:07:37.260 --> 01:07:40.010
  • A LOT OF PAIN, A LOT OF HURT,
  • 01:07:40.010 --> 01:07:42.110
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:07:53.150 --> 01:07:55.240
  • "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY"
  • 01:07:55.240 --> 01:07:57.280
  • IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:58.180
  • TONIGHT.
  • 01:07:58.180 --> 01:07:59.280
  • OUR GUEST ALL NIGHT IS JOHN
  • 01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:00.260
  • I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING TO THE
  • 01:08:03.060 --> 01:08:04.220
  • DIRECTOR.
  • 01:08:04.220 --> 01:08:05.080
  • GIVE ME A BIG WIDE SHOT HERE IN
  • 01:08:05.080 --> 01:08:06.130
  • THE STUDIO.
  • 01:08:06.130 --> 01:08:07.180
  • I WANNA SEE ALL THE SMILING
  • 01:08:07.180 --> 01:08:08.130
  • FACES.
  • 01:08:08.130 --> 01:08:09.030
  • OKAY, WATCH THIS.
  • 01:08:09.030 --> 01:08:10.070
  • CHURCH OF FIRE IN CHRIST!
  • 01:08:10.070 --> 01:08:13.030
  • [LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
  • 01:08:13.030 --> 01:08:14.100
  • THERE WE GO.
  • 01:08:14.100 --> 01:08:15.100
  • [APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
  • 01:08:15.100 --> 01:08:16.080
  • WOW.
  • 01:08:16.080 --> 01:08:16.260
  • OKAY.
  • 01:08:16.260 --> 01:08:18.170
  • - LAURIE: THERE'S BEAUTIFUL
  • 01:08:18.170 --> 01:08:19.080
  • PEOPLE OVER HERE, TOO.
  • 01:08:19.080 --> 01:08:20.050
  • - MATT: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 01:08:20.050 --> 01:08:21.000
  • ETERNITY.
  • 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:22.040
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 01:08:22.040 --> 01:08:23.000
  • - MATT: AND, LET ME JUST TELL
  • 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:23.210
  • YOU SOMETHING -- THIS IDEA THAT
  • 01:08:23.210 --> 01:08:24.250
  • WE'RE DRIVEN BY ETERNITY AND
  • 01:08:24.250 --> 01:08:27.060
  • THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE JUDGED
  • 01:08:28.150 --> 01:08:31.150
  • ON WHETHER WE PLOWED CORN OR
  • 01:08:31.150 --> 01:08:33.050
  • PREACHED CHRIST, DEPENDING ON
  • 01:08:33.050 --> 01:08:35.010
  • OUR CALLING, STARTS WITH ONE
  • 01:08:35.050 --> 01:08:38.050
  • VERY SIMPLE DECISION AND HIS
  • 01:08:38.050 --> 01:08:39.040
  • NAME IS JESUS.
  • 01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:41.060
  • - JOHN: YES.
  • 01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:41.280
  • - LAURIE: AMEN.
  • 01:08:41.280 --> 01:08:43.010
  • - MATT: OKAY, SO, AFTER 44
  • 01:08:43.010 --> 01:08:43.260
  • YEARS OF THE "PRAISE" PROGRAM
  • 01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:46.160
  • HAPPENING IN THIS STUDIO, WE'RE
  • 01:08:46.160 --> 01:08:48.100
  • STILL TALKING ABOUT THE ONE
  • 01:08:48.100 --> 01:08:50.160
  • NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES--
  • 01:08:50.160 --> 01:08:52.170
  • - LAURIE: AMEN.
  • 01:08:52.170 --> 01:08:53.070
  • - MATT: --THE NAME OF JESUS.
  • 01:08:53.070 --> 01:08:53.280
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 01:08:53.280 --> 01:08:54.290
  • - MATT: SO, HOW DOES
  • 01:08:54.290 --> 01:08:55.160
  • SOMEBODY--
  • 01:08:55.160 --> 01:08:56.020
  • - JOHN: WE WILL TALK ABOUT HIM
  • 01:08:56.020 --> 01:08:56.240
  • FOREVER AND EVER.
  • 01:08:56.240 --> 01:08:57.240
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:08:57.240 --> 01:08:58.080
  • - MATT: HOW DOES SOMEBODY GET
  • 01:08:58.080 --> 01:08:58.290
  • ON BOARD WITH JESUS IF THIS IS
  • 01:08:58.290 --> 01:09:00.050
  • SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T
  • 01:09:00.050 --> 01:09:01.140
  • REALLY KNOW ABOUT.
  • 01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:04.060
  • JOHN, LEAD PEOPLE TO JESUS AND
  • 01:09:04.060 --> 01:09:06.000
  • THEN LET'S HAVE THE LAST
  • 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.040
  • MOMENTS TO TALK ABOUT ETERNITY.
  • 01:09:08.040 --> 01:09:09.150
  • - JOHN: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN
  • 01:09:09.150 --> 01:09:10.140
  • NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REALLY
  • 01:09:10.140 --> 01:09:12.180
  • CALLED TO DO UNLESS YOU HAVE A
  • 01:09:12.180 --> 01:09:13.280
  • PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
  • 01:09:15.260 --> 01:09:18.260
  • YOU KNOW, ABC JUST RELEASED A
  • 01:09:18.260 --> 01:09:19.170
  • POLL AGAIN.
  • 01:09:19.170 --> 01:09:20.260
  • STILL, OVER 80% OF AMERICANS
  • 01:09:20.260 --> 01:09:22.050
  • SAY THEY'RE CHRISTIAN.
  • 01:09:22.050 --> 01:09:24.000
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:24.210
  • - JOHN: I WANNA-- I WANNA
  • 01:09:24.210 --> 01:09:26.150
  • CHALLENGE YOU RIGHT NOW.
  • 01:09:26.150 --> 01:09:27.250
  • AND I MIGHT SAY SOME THINGS
  • 01:09:27.250 --> 01:09:28.150
  • THAT MIGHT CAUSE YOU TO BE A
  • 01:09:28.150 --> 01:09:29.140
  • LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.
  • 01:09:29.140 --> 01:09:30.240
  • BUT YOU CAN GO TO CHURCH,
  • 01:09:30.240 --> 01:09:31.280
  • YOU CAN WATCH CHRISTIAN
  • 01:09:31.280 --> 01:09:33.260
  • TELEVISION, YOU CAN KNOW THAT
  • 01:09:33.260 --> 01:09:35.020
  • JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, KNOW
  • 01:09:35.020 --> 01:09:37.080
  • THAT HE EVEN DIED ON THE CROSS
  • 01:09:37.080 --> 01:09:38.200
  • AND STILL NOT HAVE A COVENANT
  • 01:09:38.200 --> 01:09:39.170
  • [LIGHT PIANO]
  • 01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:43.250
  • YOU SAY, "JOHN, HOW COULD YOU
  • 01:09:43.250 --> 01:09:44.160
  • SAY THAT?"
  • 01:09:44.160 --> 01:09:45.190
  • WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU AN
  • 01:09:45.190 --> 01:09:46.070
  • EXAMPLE.
  • 01:09:46.070 --> 01:09:46.270
  • YOU CAN HAVE A GIRL DATING A
  • 01:09:46.270 --> 01:09:47.190
  • GUY.
  • 01:09:47.190 --> 01:09:48.130
  • SHE KNOWS HE'S A GOOD FOOTBALL
  • 01:09:48.130 --> 01:09:49.100
  • PLAYER, EXCELLENT QUARTERBACK.
  • 01:09:49.100 --> 01:09:50.080
  • SHE KNOWS HE'S GOT A SCAR ON
  • 01:09:50.080 --> 01:09:51.040
  • HIS FOREHEAD FROM A BICYCLE
  • 01:09:51.040 --> 01:09:52.040
  • ACCIDENT HE WAS IN WHEN HE WAS
  • 01:09:52.040 --> 01:09:53.040
  • 7 YEARS OLD.
  • 01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:54.010
  • SHE KNOWS HE'S AN EXCELLENT
  • 01:09:54.010 --> 01:09:55.100
  • MATH STUDENT.
  • 01:09:55.100 --> 01:09:57.120
  • SHE'S BEEN TO HIS HOUSE.
  • 01:09:57.120 --> 01:09:58.100
  • SHE'S MET HIS SIBLINGS.
  • 01:09:58.100 --> 01:09:59.280
  • THAT DOESN'T GIVE HER A
  • 01:09:59.280 --> 01:10:00.290
  • COVENANT RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
  • 01:10:00.290 --> 01:10:03.000
  • IT'S NOT UNTIL ONE DAY HE GETS
  • 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:03.230
  • DOWN ON HIS KNEE, HE OPENS UP A
  • 01:10:03.230 --> 01:10:05.080
  • LITTLE RING BOX, AND HE SAID,
  • 01:10:05.080 --> 01:10:06.020
  • "WILL YOU MARRY ME?"
  • 01:10:06.020 --> 01:10:08.090
  • AT THAT POINT, SHE'S GOT A
  • 01:10:08.090 --> 01:10:09.080
  • DECISION TO MAKE.
  • 01:10:09.080 --> 01:10:09.280
  • SHE CAN IGNORE HIS PROPOSAL AND
  • 01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.120
  • CONTINUE LIFE AS IS, KNOWING
  • 01:10:11.120 --> 01:10:13.100
  • ABOUT HIM, EVEN GOING TO HIS
  • 01:10:13.100 --> 01:10:15.070
  • HOUSE AND BEING WITH HIS
  • 01:10:15.070 --> 01:10:16.130
  • SIBLINGS, BUT NOT HAVING A
  • 01:10:16.130 --> 01:10:17.140
  • COVENANT RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
  • 01:10:17.140 --> 01:10:19.140
  • OR SHE CAN SAY YES.
  • 01:10:19.140 --> 01:10:20.180
  • AND IF SHE SAYS YES, THAT MEANS
  • 01:10:21.010 --> 01:10:24.010
  • A COUPLE MONTHS LATER, SHE'S
  • 01:10:24.010 --> 01:10:25.080
  • GONNA PUT ON A WHITE DRESS,
  • 01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:26.010
  • SHE'S GONNA WALK DOWN AN AISLE
  • 01:10:26.010 --> 01:10:27.060
  • OF A CHURCH, AND WHAT SHE'S
  • 01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:28.050
  • COMMUNICATING IS SHE'S SAYING
  • 01:10:28.050 --> 01:10:30.000
  • GOODBYE TO EVERY MAN ON THE
  • 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.200
  • FACE OF THE EARTH, EXCEPT FOR
  • 01:10:31.200 --> 01:10:32.180
  • THAT ONE GUY.
  • 01:10:32.180 --> 01:10:35.030
  • SHE'S GIVING HER ENTIRE HEART,
  • 01:10:35.030 --> 01:10:36.000
  • HER ENTIRE LIFE TO HIM.
  • 01:10:37.060 --> 01:10:40.060
  • WHEN OUR CREATOR, JESUS CHRIST,
  • 01:10:40.060 --> 01:10:42.040
  • WHO'S GOD MANIFESTED IN THE
  • 01:10:42.040 --> 01:10:43.160
  • FLESH, HUNG ON THE CROSS OF
  • 01:10:43.160 --> 01:10:45.020
  • CALVARY 2.000 YEARS AGO, IT WAS
  • 01:10:45.020 --> 01:10:47.120
  • HIM GETTING DOWN ON ONE KNEE
  • 01:10:47.120 --> 01:10:49.060
  • AND SAYING, "WOULD YOU BE MY
  • 01:10:49.060 --> 01:10:50.120
  • BRIDE?"
  • 01:10:50.120 --> 01:10:51.260
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:10:51.260 --> 01:10:52.240
  • - JOHN: THE BRIDE OF CHRIST.
  • 01:10:52.240 --> 01:10:53.200
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 01:10:53.200 --> 01:10:54.180
  • - JOHN: NOW, AT THIS POINT, WE
  • 01:10:54.180 --> 01:10:55.160
  • HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.
  • 01:10:55.160 --> 01:10:56.150
  • WE CAN IGNORE HIS PROPOSAL AND
  • 01:10:56.150 --> 01:10:58.280
  • CONTINUE LIFE AS IS, KNOWING
  • 01:10:58.280 --> 01:11:00.150
  • ABOUT HIM, KNOWING HE'S THE SON
  • 01:11:00.150 --> 01:11:01.200
  • OF GOD, KNOWING HE DIED ON THE
  • 01:11:01.200 --> 01:11:02.180
  • CROSS, GOING TO A CHURCH AND
  • 01:11:02.180 --> 01:11:03.120
  • MEETING HIS GENUINE SIBLINGS.
  • 01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:05.050
  • OR WE CAN SAY YES.
  • 01:11:05.160 --> 01:11:08.160
  • IF WE SAY YES, WE'RE GONNA DO
  • 01:11:08.160 --> 01:11:10.100
  • WHAT THE BRIDE DOES -- WE'RE
  • 01:11:10.100 --> 01:11:11.220
  • GONNA GIVE HIM OUR ENTIRE
  • 01:11:11.220 --> 01:11:12.270
  • HEART, OUR ENTIRE LIFE.
  • 01:11:13.170 --> 01:11:16.170
  • YOU KNOW, THE FIRST WEEK AFTER
  • 01:11:16.170 --> 01:11:17.160
  • WE WERE MARRIED, LISA MADE
  • 01:11:17.160 --> 01:11:18.210
  • MISTAKES THAT DIDN'T END OUR
  • 01:11:18.210 --> 01:11:19.160
  • RELATIONSHIP.
  • 01:11:19.160 --> 01:11:21.080
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:22.010
  • THIRTY-FOUR YEARS LATER, SHE'S
  • 01:11:22.010 --> 01:11:22.280
  • MADE MISTAKES -- AND SO HAVE I.
  • 01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:24.210
  • A LOT MORE THAN HER.
  • 01:11:24.210 --> 01:11:25.210
  • IT HASN'T ENDED OUR
  • 01:11:25.210 --> 01:11:27.090
  • RELATIONSHIP.
  • 01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:28.140
  • BUT ONE THING THAT'S NEVER
  • 01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:30.070
  • CHANGED -- SHE GAVE ME HER
  • 01:11:30.070 --> 01:11:31.150
  • HEART ON OCTOBER 2, 1982 AND
  • 01:11:32.010 --> 01:11:35.010
  • SHE'S NEVER TAKEN IT FROM ME.
  • 01:11:35.010 --> 01:11:36.150
  • WHAT I'M TALKING TO YOU ABOUT
  • 01:11:36.150 --> 01:11:38.000
  • TONIGHT IS NOT ABOUT LIVING
  • 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.050
  • RIGHT AND KNOWING ABOUT IT, A
  • 01:11:39.050 --> 01:11:41.110
  • NAME JESUS, PRAYING A FORMULA
  • 01:11:41.110 --> 01:11:42.270
  • PRAYER.
  • 01:11:42.270 --> 01:11:44.230
  • I'M TALKING TO YOU ABOUT GIVING
  • 01:11:44.230 --> 01:11:45.260
  • YOUR ENTIRE HEART, YOUR ENTIRE
  • 01:11:45.260 --> 01:11:48.170
  • LIFE TO ONE WHO GAVE HIS LIFE
  • 01:11:48.170 --> 01:11:50.270
  • FOR YOU.
  • 01:11:50.270 --> 01:11:51.280
  • HE'S COMING BACK FOR A BRIDE
  • 01:11:51.280 --> 01:11:53.250
  • THAT HAS LAID HER LIFE DOWN FOR
  • 01:11:53.250 --> 01:11:55.090
  • HIM THE WAY HE LAID HIS LIFE
  • 01:11:55.090 --> 01:11:56.110
  • DOWN FOR HER.
  • 01:11:56.110 --> 01:11:58.000
  • THAT'S A COVENANT RELATIONSHIP.
  • 01:11:58.000 --> 01:11:58.240
  • SO, IF YOU SAY, "JOHN, TRUTH BE
  • 01:11:58.240 --> 01:12:00.180
  • TOLD, I'VE NEVER REALLY GIVEN
  • 01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:03.080
  • MY ENTIRE LIFE TO JESUS
  • 01:12:03.080 --> 01:12:05.070
  • CHRIST," I WANT YOU TO DO THAT
  • 01:12:05.070 --> 01:12:06.050
  • WITH ME RIGHT NOW.
  • 01:12:06.050 --> 01:12:08.030
  • THE BIBLE SAYS IF YOU BELIEVE
  • 01:12:08.030 --> 01:12:09.120
  • AND YOU WANNA DO THIS, JUST
  • 01:12:09.120 --> 01:12:10.220
  • CONFESS HIM WITH YOUR MOUTH.
  • 01:12:10.220 --> 01:12:13.000
  • JUST LIKE THAT BRIDE -- SHE
  • 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:14.130
  • STANDS UP AND SHE MAKES A VOW
  • 01:12:14.130 --> 01:12:15.140
  • TO THAT GROOM.
  • 01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:16.230
  • SHE SAID, "I'M GOING TO GIVE
  • 01:12:16.230 --> 01:12:18.130
  • YOU MY LIFE," AND SHE MEANS IT.
  • 01:12:18.130 --> 01:12:19.220
  • IF YOU REALLY MEAN THAT RIGHT
  • 01:12:19.220 --> 01:12:21.140
  • NOW AND YOU WANNA GIVE ME YOUR
  • 01:12:21.140 --> 01:12:22.280
  • ENTIRE HEART, ENTIRE LIFE, THEN
  • 01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:24.080
  • I WANT YOU TO PRAY THIS WITH ME
  • 01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:26.060
  • RIGHT NOW.
  • 01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:27.090
  • SAY THIS: GOD IN HEAVEN...
  • 01:12:27.090 --> 01:12:28.240
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:28.240 --> 01:12:29.180
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SENDING
  • 01:12:29.180 --> 01:12:30.270
  • JESUS.
  • 01:12:30.270 --> 01:12:32.010
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:32.010 --> 01:12:32.270
  • FORGIVE ME...
  • 01:12:32.270 --> 01:12:34.190
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:34.190 --> 01:12:35.230
  • ...FOR LIVING LIFE MY WAY...
  • 01:12:35.230 --> 01:12:36.180
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:36.180 --> 01:12:37.230
  • ...APART FROM YOU...
  • 01:12:37.230 --> 01:12:38.260
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:38.260 --> 01:12:39.280
  • ...MY CREATOR.
  • 01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:40.210
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:40.210 --> 01:12:41.160
  • BUT THIS DAY...
  • 01:12:41.160 --> 01:12:42.190
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:42.190 --> 01:12:44.010
  • ...DECEMBER THE 1ST, 2016,
  • 01:12:44.010 --> 01:12:46.190
  • I GIVE MY SPIRIT, SOUL, AND
  • 01:12:46.190 --> 01:12:49.000
  • BODY...
  • 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:50.000
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:51.040
  • ...EVERYTHING I AM...
  • 01:12:51.040 --> 01:12:52.100
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:53.080
  • ...EVERYTHING I HAVE...
  • 01:12:53.080 --> 01:12:54.100
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:54.100 --> 01:12:55.120
  • ...TO YOU, JESUS.
  • 01:12:55.120 --> 01:12:56.160
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:56.160 --> 01:12:57.220
  • JESUS...
  • 01:12:57.220 --> 01:12:58.220
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:12:58.220 --> 01:12:59.170
  • ...YOU ARE NOW MY LORD.
  • 01:12:59.170 --> 01:13:00.220
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:00.220 --> 01:13:01.220
  • BUT YOU'RE ALSO MY LOVER.
  • 01:13:01.220 --> 01:13:02.200
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:02.200 --> 01:13:03.140
  • YOU'RE MY ELDER BROTHER...
  • 01:13:03.140 --> 01:13:05.020
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:05.020 --> 01:13:06.030
  • ...AND MY KING.
  • 01:13:06.030 --> 01:13:07.050
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:07.050 --> 01:13:08.180
  • THANK YOU FOR CHANGING ME.
  • 01:13:08.180 --> 01:13:09.180
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:09.180 --> 01:13:10.270
  • I'M NOW BORN AGAIN.
  • 01:13:10.270 --> 01:13:12.010
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:12.010 --> 01:13:13.000
  • I AM NOW A MEMBER OF THE
  • 01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:13.270
  • HOUSEHOLD OF GOD.
  • 01:13:13.270 --> 01:13:15.040
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:16.020
  • I'M ASKING YOU NOW -- FILL ME
  • 01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:17.250
  • WITH YOUR SPIRIT...
  • 01:13:17.250 --> 01:13:20.100
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:21.240
  • ...SO THAT I CAN EXPERIENCE
  • 01:13:21.240 --> 01:13:22.290
  • YOUR PRESENCE ON A
  • 01:13:22.290 --> 01:13:24.000
  • MOMENT-BY-MOMENT BASIS.
  • 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:25.130
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:25.130 --> 01:13:26.110
  • SO, IN THE NAME OF JESUS NOW...
  • 01:13:26.110 --> 01:13:27.230
  • [ALL REPEAT]
  • 01:13:27.230 --> 01:13:28.230
  • ...I PRAY FOR YOU.
  • 01:13:28.230 --> 01:13:29.260
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:13:29.260 --> 01:13:30.230
  • - JOHN: AND I'M ASKING THAT
  • 01:13:30.230 --> 01:13:31.170
  • THE PRESENCE OF GOD WOULD
  • 01:13:31.170 --> 01:13:32.140
  • MANIFEST IN EVERY SINGLE LIVING
  • 01:13:32.140 --> 01:13:34.040
  • ROOM, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE
  • 01:13:34.040 --> 01:13:36.180
  • SITTING.
  • 01:13:36.180 --> 01:13:38.000
  • IF YOU'RE AT THE OFFICE, IF
  • 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:39.150
  • YOU'RE IN YOUR BEDROOM, IF
  • 01:13:39.150 --> 01:13:41.000
  • YOU'RE IN A HOSPITAL ROOM, MAY
  • 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.290
  • THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF,
  • 01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:47.100
  • THE PRESENCE OF HIS SPIRIT,
  • 01:13:47.100 --> 01:13:48.290
  • MANIFEST IN YOU.
  • 01:13:48.290 --> 01:13:51.160
  • IN JESUS' NAME...
  • 01:13:51.160 --> 01:13:53.220
  • AMEN.
  • 01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:54.200
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:13:54.200 --> 01:13:55.180
  • BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:13:55.180 --> 01:13:57.170
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:13:57.170 --> 01:13:58.070
  • WE ARE WITH JOHN BEVERE.
  • 01:13:58.070 --> 01:13:59.050
  • JOHN HAPPENS TO BE WITH US
  • 01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:04.260
  • TONIGHT.
  • 01:14:04.260 --> 01:14:05.140
  • WE'VE BEEN TALKING ALL EVENING
  • 01:14:05.140 --> 01:14:07.060
  • ABOUT ETERNITY.
  • 01:14:07.060 --> 01:14:08.050
  • DRIVEN BY ETERNITY.
  • 01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:09.280
  • AND, BY THE WAY, THIS
  • 01:14:09.280 --> 01:14:12.140
  • BOOK IS ONE THAT WE SELECTED
  • 01:14:12.140 --> 01:14:14.090
  • THAT LAURIE AND I-- THANK YOU,
  • 01:14:14.090 --> 01:14:16.070
  • JOHN, FOR BEING WITH US
  • 01:14:16.070 --> 01:14:17.030
  • TONIGHT.
  • 01:14:17.030 --> 01:14:19.260
  • WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES LEFT IN
  • 01:14:19.260 --> 01:14:21.130
  • THIS PROGRAM.
  • 01:14:21.130 --> 01:14:22.080
  • - JOHN: IT'S AN HONOR.
  • 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:23.030
  • - MATT: BUT, THIS IS CONTENT
  • 01:14:23.030 --> 01:14:23.240
  • THAT CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
  • 01:14:23.240 --> 01:14:24.130
  • AND, A MOMENT AGO, I MADE A
  • 01:14:24.130 --> 01:14:25.040
  • REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, AN OLD
  • 01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:27.020
  • KIND OF SAYING MY DAD HAD ABOUT
  • 01:14:27.160 --> 01:14:30.160
  • LOOKING UP IN HEAVEN AND SEEING
  • 01:14:30.160 --> 01:14:31.160
  • CLOUDS AND A PERFECT FORM OF A
  • 01:14:31.160 --> 01:14:32.200
  • PC: PREACH CHRIST.
  • 01:14:32.200 --> 01:14:34.150
  • NO, PLOW CORN.
  • 01:14:34.150 --> 01:14:36.270
  • THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT
  • 01:14:36.270 --> 01:14:39.100
  • DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE IS A
  • 01:14:40.040 --> 01:14:43.040
  • VERY SPECIFIC THING FOR THEIR
  • 01:14:43.040 --> 01:14:45.090
  • LIFE TO ACCOMPLISH.
  • 01:14:45.090 --> 01:14:46.170
  • AND THAT'S WHAT THIS BOOK IS
  • 01:14:46.170 --> 01:14:47.230
  • REALLY ABOUT.
  • 01:14:47.230 --> 01:14:49.280
  • - JOHN: AND THERE'S MORE
  • 01:14:49.280 --> 01:14:50.270
  • STEPS...
  • 01:14:50.270 --> 01:14:51.160
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:14:51.160 --> 01:14:52.040
  • - JOHN: ...TO HOW WE FIND OUT
  • 01:14:52.040 --> 01:14:52.250
  • WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO.
  • 01:14:52.250 --> 01:14:53.140
  • AND THEY'LL GET THAT WHEN THEY
  • 01:14:53.140 --> 01:14:54.050
  • READ THE BOOK.
  • 01:14:54.050 --> 01:14:54.250
  • IT'S SO IN-DEPTH.
  • 01:14:54.250 --> 01:14:55.230
  • AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS
  • 01:14:55.230 --> 01:14:56.180
  • BOOK.
  • 01:14:56.180 --> 01:14:57.260
  • BECAUSE, REALLY, DON'T WE WANNA
  • 01:14:57.260 --> 01:15:00.100
  • LOOK BACK AND SAY, "I DID WHAT
  • 01:15:00.100 --> 01:15:01.160
  • CREATED ME TO DO, NOT WHAT I
  • 01:15:01.160 --> 01:15:03.020
  • WANTED TO DO"?
  • 01:15:03.020 --> 01:15:04.190
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:15:04.190 --> 01:15:05.260
  • - JOHN: AND, TO BE HONEST WITH
  • 01:15:05.260 --> 01:15:07.000
  • YOU, WHEN YOU'RE REALLY IN TUNE
  • 01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:08.050
  • WITH GOD AND YOU DO WHAT HE'S
  • 01:15:08.050 --> 01:15:08.290
  • CREATED YOU TO DO, IT WILL HAVE
  • 01:15:08.290 --> 01:15:10.040
  • BEEN WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
  • 01:15:10.040 --> 01:15:10.270
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 01:15:10.270 --> 01:15:11.230
  • - JOHN: IT SOUNDS KIND
  • 01:15:11.230 --> 01:15:13.130
  • OF...QUIRKY, BUT, IT'S THE
  • 01:15:13.130 --> 01:15:14.100
  • TRUTH.
  • 01:15:14.100 --> 01:15:15.020
  • - MATT: SO, IN THE LAST FEW
  • 01:15:15.020 --> 01:15:16.010
  • MINUTES OF THE BROADCAST, I AM
  • 01:15:16.010 --> 01:15:17.160
  • GOING TO ASSUME THERE COULD BE
  • 01:15:19.060 --> 01:15:22.060
  • SOME PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE
  • 01:15:23.010 --> 01:15:26.010
  • QUESTIONING.
  • 01:15:26.010 --> 01:15:27.080
  • YOU'VE TOLD SOME STORIES
  • 01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:30.000
  • TONIGHT--
  • 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:30.290
  • - JOHN: YES.
  • 01:15:30.290 --> 01:15:31.190
  • - MATT: --ABOUT COMPLETE
  • 01:15:31.190 --> 01:15:32.140
  • CAREER SHIFTS -- YOU KNOW, IT
  • 01:15:32.140 --> 01:15:33.090
  • DIRECTORS BECOMING, YOU KNOW,
  • 01:15:33.090 --> 01:15:34.260
  • BIBLE SCHOOL PEOPLE IN NAIROBI,
  • 01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:36.080
  • KENYA.
  • 01:15:36.080 --> 01:15:37.170
  • YOU'VE TOLD US STORY OF AN
  • 01:15:37.170 --> 01:15:40.060
  • ASSOCIATE PASTOR THAT BECAME A
  • 01:15:40.060 --> 01:15:41.230
  • NAVY SEAL.
  • 01:15:41.230 --> 01:15:43.100
  • YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TOLD A PASTOR
  • 01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:45.020
  • BECAME A MISSIONARY.
  • 01:15:45.020 --> 01:15:47.130
  • AND, I'VE TALKED ABOUT PLOWING
  • 01:15:47.130 --> 01:15:49.120
  • CORN AND PREACHING CHRIST.
  • 01:15:52.220 --> 01:15:55.220
  • WHAT IF THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF
  • 01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:57.230
  • ANXIETY OF PEOPLE THAT SAID,
  • 01:15:57.230 --> 01:15:58.230
  • "I'VE BLOWN IT, I KNOW I'VE
  • 01:15:58.230 --> 01:16:00.250
  • BLOWN IT, I'M SUPPOSED TO BE
  • 01:16:00.250 --> 01:16:02.060
  • DOING THIS, I'M NOT DOING
  • 01:16:02.060 --> 01:16:03.130
  • THAT"?
  • 01:16:03.130 --> 01:16:05.240
  • LET'S KIND OF DEAL WITH THAT A
  • 01:16:05.240 --> 01:16:06.170
  • LITTLE BIT -- THE ANXIETY THAT
  • 01:16:06.170 --> 01:16:07.210
  • SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK, "AM I
  • 01:16:07.210 --> 01:16:08.260
  • DOING THE RIGHT THING?"
  • 01:16:08.260 --> 01:16:11.160
  • "I'M A SENIOR PASTOR.
  • 01:16:11.160 --> 01:16:12.090
  • AM I DOING THE RIGHT THING?"
  • 01:16:12.090 --> 01:16:13.090
  • "I'M NOT A SENIOR PASTOR.
  • 01:16:13.090 --> 01:16:14.100
  • I'M SUPPOSE--"
  • 01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:15.010
  • OKAY, THE ANXIETY THAT SOME OF
  • 01:16:15.010 --> 01:16:16.030
  • OUR CONVERSATION COULD HAVE
  • 01:16:17.080 --> 01:16:20.080
  • GENERATED -- LET'S DEAL WITH
  • 01:16:20.080 --> 01:16:21.090
  • THAT.
  • 01:16:21.090 --> 01:16:22.200
  • AND, PRAY FOR PEOPLE, TOO, IF
  • 01:16:22.200 --> 01:16:23.160
  • YOU--
  • 01:16:23.160 --> 01:16:24.010
  • - JOHN: LET YOUR PAST BE YOUR
  • 01:16:24.010 --> 01:16:25.210
  • TEACHER; LET YOUR FUTURE BE
  • 01:16:25.210 --> 01:16:26.130
  • YOUR FRIEND.
  • 01:16:26.130 --> 01:16:27.020
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 01:16:27.020 --> 01:16:27.240
  • - JOHN: LEARN FROM IT AND IT'S
  • 01:16:27.240 --> 01:16:28.180
  • NEVER TOO LATE.
  • 01:16:28.180 --> 01:16:30.130
  • I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE MAKE CHANGES
  • 01:16:30.130 --> 01:16:31.170
  • BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WEREN'T
  • 01:16:31.170 --> 01:16:32.290
  • IN THE WILL OF GOD.
  • 01:16:32.290 --> 01:16:33.290
  • AND THEY'VE BEEN SO FULFILLED
  • 01:16:33.290 --> 01:16:35.180
  • AND SO ELATED AFTERWARDS.
  • 01:16:35.180 --> 01:16:38.010
  • I DON'T WANT ANYONE THINKING,
  • 01:16:38.010 --> 01:16:39.230
  • "IT'S TOO LATE."
  • 01:16:39.230 --> 01:16:41.000
  • IT'S NEVER TOO LATE.
  • 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.180
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:16:43.180 --> 01:16:44.120
  • - JOHN: MOSES STARTED WHEN HE
  • 01:16:44.120 --> 01:16:45.100
  • WAS 80!
  • 01:16:45.100 --> 01:16:46.030
  • [MATT LAUGHS]
  • 01:16:46.030 --> 01:16:46.290
  • AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 01:16:46.290 --> 01:16:47.250
  • BECAUSE HE WALKED IN THE WILL
  • 01:16:47.250 --> 01:16:50.230
  • OF GOD, STARTING AT 80, WHEN HE
  • 01:16:50.230 --> 01:16:52.070
  • GOT TO BE 120, THE BIBLE SAYS
  • 01:16:52.070 --> 01:16:53.260
  • HIS EYESIGHT WASN'T DIM.
  • 01:16:53.260 --> 01:16:55.090
  • AND HIS HEARING WASN'T BAD.
  • 01:16:55.090 --> 01:16:57.000
  • I MEAN, JESUS SAID: "MY MEAT IS
  • 01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:58.190
  • TO DO THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT
  • 01:16:59.150 --> 01:17:02.170
  • ME AND TO FINISH HIS WORK."
  • 01:17:02.170 --> 01:17:03.200
  • WHAT'S MEAT?
  • 01:17:03.200 --> 01:17:05.050
  • IT GIVES US STRENGTH.
  • 01:17:05.050 --> 01:17:06.000
  • WHEN YOU'RE DOING WHAT GOD
  • 01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:07.280
  • CREATED YOU TO DO, IT ADDS
  • 01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:09.250
  • VITALITY, IT ADDS ENERGY,
  • 01:17:09.250 --> 01:17:11.190
  • STRENGTH INTO YOUR LIFE.
  • 01:17:11.280 --> 01:17:14.280
  • AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN LOOK AT,
  • 01:17:14.280 --> 01:17:15.220
  • SOMETIMES, PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE
  • 01:17:15.220 --> 01:17:17.050
  • IN THEIR 70S AND 70--
  • 01:17:17.050 --> 01:17:19.180
  • I MEAN, I'M HAVIN' LUNCH WITH
  • 01:17:19.180 --> 01:17:20.170
  • SID ROTH THE OTHER DAY!
  • 01:17:20.170 --> 01:17:21.170
  • AND SID'S JUST LIKE...
  • 01:17:21.170 --> 01:17:23.140
  • [POUNDS HAND]
  • 01:17:23.140 --> 01:17:24.060
  • "I'M GONNA BE DOIN' THIS WHEN
  • 01:17:24.060 --> 01:17:24.280
  • I'M IN MY 90S!"
  • 01:17:24.280 --> 01:17:26.030
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 01:17:26.030 --> 01:17:28.120
  • AND I'M LIKE...
  • 01:17:28.120 --> 01:17:29.010
  • THEY GUY'S GOT SO MUCH ENERGY,
  • 01:17:29.010 --> 01:17:29.220
  • HE ALMOST BURNS OUT HIS STAFF!
  • 01:17:29.220 --> 01:17:30.180
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:17:30.180 --> 01:17:32.280
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:17:32.280 --> 01:17:33.220
  • - JOHN: BECAUSE WHY?
  • 01:17:33.220 --> 01:17:34.190
  • HE'S IN WHAT GOD'S CALLED HIM
  • 01:17:34.190 --> 01:17:35.100
  • TO DO.
  • 01:17:35.100 --> 01:17:35.290
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 01:17:35.290 --> 01:17:36.190
  • - JOHN: SO, I DON'T CARE IF
  • 01:17:36.190 --> 01:17:37.150
  • YOU'RE 60.
  • 01:17:37.150 --> 01:17:38.040
  • I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE 70.
  • 01:17:38.040 --> 01:17:39.000
  • LET YOUR PAST BE YOUR TEACHER
  • 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.010
  • AND LET YOUR FUTURE BE EXCITING
  • 01:17:41.010 --> 01:17:43.270
  • AND EXUBERANT AND LET IT BE
  • 01:17:43.270 --> 01:17:44.270
  • YOUR FRIEND AND FULFILL WHAT
  • 01:17:44.270 --> 01:17:46.110
  • GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO DO.
  • 01:17:46.110 --> 01:17:47.180
  • AND LET ME TELL YOU -- I DON'T
  • 01:17:47.180 --> 01:17:49.040
  • CARE WHAT HE'S CALLED YOU TO
  • 01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:51.050
  • DO, IT'S IMPORTANT.
  • 01:17:51.050 --> 01:17:53.100
  • YOU KNOW, I WAS SPEAKING AT THE
  • 01:17:53.100 --> 01:17:55.210
  • DREAM CENTER A COUPLE YEARS
  • 01:17:55.210 --> 01:17:57.100
  • AGO, THE LA DREAM CENTER, WITH
  • 01:17:57.100 --> 01:18:00.040
  • MATTHEW BARNETT.
  • 01:18:00.040 --> 01:18:01.050
  • AND, ONE OF MY PARTNERS LIVES
  • 01:18:01.050 --> 01:18:02.060
  • RIGHT DOWN IN SAN DIEGO AND HE
  • 01:18:02.060 --> 01:18:03.150
  • KNOWS I LOVE TO PLAY GOLF.
  • 01:18:03.150 --> 01:18:04.190
  • SO, HE CALLED ME, HE SAID,
  • 01:18:04.190 --> 01:18:05.220
  • "HEY, I WANNA TAKE YOU TO
  • 01:18:05.220 --> 01:18:06.170
  • RIVIERA."
  • 01:18:06.170 --> 01:18:07.070
  • SO, I WENT AND PLAYED RIVIERA.
  • 01:18:07.070 --> 01:18:08.020
  • IT WAS A GREAT ROUND.
  • 01:18:08.020 --> 01:18:08.250
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:18:08.250 --> 01:18:09.250
  • I WAS 3-OVER AFTER 4 HOLES AND
  • 01:18:09.250 --> 01:18:11.260
  • THEN I HAD 5 BIRDIES AND NO
  • 01:18:11.260 --> 01:18:13.080
  • BOGIE, SO I ENDED UP WITH A 70.
  • 01:18:13.080 --> 01:18:14.070
  • IT WAS A REALLY GOOD ROUND.
  • 01:18:14.070 --> 01:18:15.040
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 01:18:15.040 --> 01:18:15.260
  • BUT, ANYWAY, WE WERE COMIN'
  • 01:18:15.260 --> 01:18:18.160
  • BACK.
  • 01:18:18.160 --> 01:18:19.070
  • I WAS FEELIN' PRETTY GOOD.
  • 01:18:19.070 --> 01:18:19.260
  • WE WERE COMING BACK, AND,
  • 01:18:19.260 --> 01:18:20.170
  • UM, HE WAS LIKE, "JOHN, I WANNA
  • 01:18:20.170 --> 01:18:21.130
  • ASK YOU A QUESTION."
  • 01:18:21.130 --> 01:18:22.260
  • AND, I SAID, "OKAY, SURE."
  • 01:18:22.260 --> 01:18:24.210
  • HE SAID, "LOOK, I'M 49, I'M
  • 01:18:24.210 --> 01:18:26.250
  • GETTING READY TO GO INTO MY
  • 01:18:26.250 --> 01:18:27.260
  • 50S."
  • 01:18:27.260 --> 01:18:28.220
  • AND THIS IS HIS LANGUAGE.
  • 01:18:28.220 --> 01:18:29.240
  • HE SAID, "I BUSTED MY BUTT
  • 01:18:29.240 --> 01:18:30.200
  • TO BUILD MY BUSINESSES UP TO
  • 01:18:30.200 --> 01:18:31.230
  • $9 MILLION."
  • 01:18:31.230 --> 01:18:33.060
  • HE SAID, "MY WIFE'S CARED FOR,
  • 01:18:33.060 --> 01:18:34.220
  • MY CHILDREN ARE CARED FOR."
  • 01:18:34.220 --> 01:18:35.290
  • HE SAID, "WHY SHOULD I BUST MY
  • 01:18:35.290 --> 01:18:37.140
  • BUTT IN MY 50S TO BUILD MY
  • 01:18:37.140 --> 01:18:38.250
  • BUSINESSES TO $35 MILLION?"
  • 01:18:38.250 --> 01:18:39.240
  • I SAID, "GOOD QUESTION."
  • 01:18:39.240 --> 01:18:40.210
  • SAID: "LET ME-- LET ME-- LET ME
  • 01:18:40.210 --> 01:18:42.050
  • ANSWER IT WITH A STORY ABOUT
  • 01:18:42.050 --> 01:18:43.180
  • ME.
  • 01:18:43.180 --> 01:18:44.170
  • SUPPOSE I SAY: 'YOU KNOW, I'VE
  • 01:18:44.170 --> 01:18:45.170
  • BEEN TO OVER 50 COUNTRIES, I'VE
  • 01:18:45.170 --> 01:18:48.140
  • FOUGHT JETLAG, I'VE WRITTEN 19
  • 01:18:48.140 --> 01:18:49.190
  • BOOKS.
  • 01:18:49.190 --> 01:18:51.140
  • I'VE PREACHED ON ABOUT EVERY
  • 01:18:51.140 --> 01:18:54.100
  • MAJOR PLATFORM IN THE WORLD.
  • 01:18:54.100 --> 01:18:56.160
  • WHY SHOULD I BUST MY BUTT IN
  • 01:18:56.160 --> 01:18:58.130
  • MY 50S AND WRITE MORE BOOKS
  • 01:18:58.130 --> 01:18:59.160
  • AND'"--
  • 01:18:59.160 --> 01:19:00.180
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:19:00.180 --> 01:19:02.070
  • - JOHN: AND HE LAUGHED AT ME.
  • 01:19:02.070 --> 01:19:03.000
  • OKAY? HE LAUGHED AT ME.
  • 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:03.200
  • I'M NOT KIDDING.
  • 01:19:03.200 --> 01:19:04.080
  • HE SAID, "I WOULDN'T WANNA BE
  • 01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:05.080
  • IN YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU FACE
  • 01:19:05.080 --> 01:19:06.020
  • JESUS."
  • 01:19:06.020 --> 01:19:07.090
  • I SAID, "YOU JUST SAID THE SAME
  • 01:19:07.090 --> 01:19:08.150
  • THING."
  • 01:19:08.150 --> 01:19:10.170
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 01:19:10.170 --> 01:19:11.160
  • - JOHN: I SAID: "YOU KNOW, MY
  • 01:19:11.160 --> 01:19:12.080
  • GIFT TO BUILD THE KINGDOM OF
  • 01:19:12.080 --> 01:19:13.130
  • GOD IS PREACHING AND WRITING.
  • 01:19:14.210 --> 01:19:17.210
  • YOUR GIFT IS EARNING MONEY TO
  • 01:19:17.210 --> 01:19:18.120
  • FINANCE THE KINGDOM."
  • 01:19:19.120 --> 01:19:22.120
  • THAT MOTHER THAT RAISED THOSE
  • 01:19:22.120 --> 01:19:23.110
  • THREE CHILDREN --
  • 01:19:23.110 --> 01:19:24.080
  • HER GIFT WAS TO RAISE THOSE
  • 01:19:24.080 --> 01:19:26.000
  • THREE CHILDREN WELL SO THEY
  • 01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:26.260
  • IMPACTED A MILLION AND A HALF
  • 01:19:26.260 --> 01:19:28.010
  • PEOPLE.
  • 01:19:28.010 --> 01:19:29.000
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.000
  • - JOHN: THE PAPER-MILL
  • 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:30.290
  • JANITOR -- HIS-- HIS MISSION
  • 01:19:30.290 --> 01:19:32.210
  • WAS TO IMPACT MILLIONS, BUT HE
  • 01:19:32.210 --> 01:19:35.020
  • NEVER SAW IT IN THIS LIFE.
  • 01:19:35.020 --> 01:19:36.160
  • HE'LL SEE IT AT THE JUDGMENT
  • 01:19:36.160 --> 01:19:37.140
  • SEAT.
  • 01:19:37.140 --> 01:19:39.140
  • WHAT WE ARE CALLED TO DO HAS
  • 01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:41.130
  • SIGNIFICANCE.
  • 01:19:41.130 --> 01:19:42.170
  • I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IN THE
  • 01:19:42.170 --> 01:19:43.120
  • MEDICAL FIELD.
  • 01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:44.100
  • I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IN THE
  • 01:19:44.100 --> 01:19:45.100
  • BUSINESS WORLD, I DON'T CARE IF
  • 01:19:45.100 --> 01:19:46.120
  • YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE.
  • 01:19:46.120 --> 01:19:47.230
  • I'VE HAD MMA FIGHTERS -- TWO OF
  • 01:19:47.230 --> 01:19:49.060
  • 'EM! -- SAY THEY'VE BEGGED GOD
  • 01:19:49.150 --> 01:19:52.150
  • TO LET 'EM GET OUT OF CAGE
  • 01:19:52.150 --> 01:19:53.150
  • FIGHTING.
  • 01:19:53.150 --> 01:19:54.130
  • AND YET, GOD SAID: DON'T YOU
  • 01:19:54.130 --> 01:19:55.040
  • GET OUT.
  • 01:19:55.040 --> 01:19:57.200
  • I'VE CALLED YOU TO BE A LIGHT
  • 01:19:57.200 --> 01:19:58.110
  • IN THAT WORLD.
  • 01:19:58.110 --> 01:19:58.280
  • I'M LIKE, OKAY, I CAN'T EVEN
  • 01:19:58.280 --> 01:20:00.140
  • GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT.
  • 01:20:00.140 --> 01:20:01.260
  • BUT I GET IT.
  • 01:20:01.260 --> 01:20:04.180
  • ON ONE LEVEL, I TOTALLY GET IT.
  • 01:20:04.180 --> 01:20:07.060
  • BECAUSE GOD HAS WRITTEN YOUR
  • 01:20:07.060 --> 01:20:09.060
  • STORY AND IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
  • 01:20:11.080 --> 01:20:14.080
  • - LAURIE: AMEN.
  • 01:20:14.080 --> 01:20:15.050
  • - MATT: COME ON, NOW.
  • 01:20:15.050 --> 01:20:16.040
  • BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:20:16.040 --> 01:20:17.020
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:20:17.020 --> 01:20:18.040
  • - LAURIE: YOU KNOW--
  • 01:20:18.040 --> 01:20:19.070
  • CAN I TELL A STORY.
  • 01:20:19.070 --> 01:20:20.070
  • UM, MY BROTHER -- I WAS
  • 01:20:20.070 --> 01:20:22.120
  • SPEAKING TO MY BROTHER.
  • 01:20:22.120 --> 01:20:23.200
  • HIS NAME IS CJ.
  • 01:20:23.250 --> 01:20:26.250
  • AND, UM, HE IS A PRISON
  • 01:20:26.250 --> 01:20:27.290
  • MINISTER.
  • 01:20:27.290 --> 01:20:29.070
  • AND HE WAS TELLING ME THE OTHER
  • 01:20:29.070 --> 01:20:30.120
  • DAY ON THE PHONE ABOUT A STORY
  • 01:20:30.120 --> 01:20:33.030
  • THAT HE WAS GOING UP TO PELICAN
  • 01:20:33.030 --> 01:20:34.020
  • BAY.
  • 01:20:34.020 --> 01:20:36.130
  • AND, WHEN HE GOT UP THERE, YOU
  • 01:20:36.130 --> 01:20:37.290
  • KNOW, IT HAD TAKEN TWO DAYS TO
  • 01:20:37.290 --> 01:20:38.270
  • DRIVE UP THERE.
  • 01:20:38.270 --> 01:20:39.280
  • AND, WHEN HE GOT UP THERE, THEY
  • 01:20:39.280 --> 01:20:40.240
  • WERE ON LOCKDOWN, SO HE
  • 01:20:40.240 --> 01:20:43.050
  • COULDN'T HAVE ANY SERVICES, YOU
  • 01:20:43.050 --> 01:20:44.010
  • KNOW.
  • 01:20:44.010 --> 01:20:44.260
  • AND...AND SO, THE CHAPLAIN JUST
  • 01:20:44.260 --> 01:20:46.210
  • SAID, YOU KNOW, "COME BACK
  • 01:20:46.210 --> 01:20:48.220
  • TOMORROW."
  • 01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:49.160
  • SO, HE WENT BACK TO THE HOTEL.
  • 01:20:49.160 --> 01:20:50.220
  • AND, NEXT DAY, HE COMES BACK.
  • 01:20:50.220 --> 01:20:53.060
  • STILL ON LOCKDOWNS.
  • 01:20:53.060 --> 01:20:55.150
  • "CJ, JUST GO DOWNTOWN.
  • 01:20:55.150 --> 01:20:56.110
  • HAVE A GOOD DAY.
  • 01:20:56.110 --> 01:20:57.080
  • JUST, YOU KNOW, SEE THE CITY."
  • 01:20:57.140 --> 01:21:00.160
  • YOU KNOW, HE'S LEFT HIS FAMILY.
  • 01:21:00.160 --> 01:21:01.220
  • IT'S A BIG DEAL TO DRIVE AND
  • 01:21:01.220 --> 01:21:02.220
  • ALL THAT.
  • 01:21:02.220 --> 01:21:05.070
  • AND, THE FOLLOWING-- THIRD DAY,
  • 01:21:05.070 --> 01:21:06.240
  • HE GETS UP AND--
  • 01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:09.000
  • OH! HE HAD HAD A BIBLE STUDY.
  • 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:09.250
  • THE FIRST DAY.
  • 01:21:09.250 --> 01:21:11.060
  • THERE WERE, LIKE, FIVE OR SIX
  • 01:21:11.250 --> 01:21:14.250
  • GUYS THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS
  • 01:21:14.250 --> 01:21:15.190
  • ON LOCKDOWN.
  • 01:21:15.190 --> 01:21:16.290
  • HE SAID: "YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 01:21:16.290 --> 01:21:17.170
  • YOU COULD GO IN THAT LITTLE
  • 01:21:17.170 --> 01:21:18.070
  • ROOM AND HAVE A BIBLE STUDY
  • 01:21:18.070 --> 01:21:18.290
  • WITH THOSE GUYS IN THERE."
  • 01:21:18.290 --> 01:21:20.000
  • SO, MY BROTHER WENT IN THERE.
  • 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:21.250
  • HE SAID, "WE HAD A GREAT TIME."
  • 01:21:21.250 --> 01:21:22.220
  • THEY WORKED IN THE OFFICE
  • 01:21:22.220 --> 01:21:23.290
  • THERE.
  • 01:21:23.290 --> 01:21:24.240
  • THEY WERE PRISONERS, YOU KNOW.
  • 01:21:24.240 --> 01:21:25.250
  • AND, UM, HE SAID ON THE THIRD
  • 01:21:25.250 --> 01:21:28.200
  • DAY, HE SAID, "STILL ON
  • 01:21:28.200 --> 01:21:29.190
  • LOCKDOWN."
  • 01:21:29.190 --> 01:21:31.270
  • AND CJ WAS LIKE, "GREAT..."
  • 01:21:31.270 --> 01:21:33.010
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 01:21:33.010 --> 01:21:33.280
  • AND HE SAID, "MY ATTITUDE
  • 01:21:33.280 --> 01:21:34.260
  • WAS...WAS REALLY BAD."
  • 01:21:35.010 --> 01:21:38.010
  • AND HE SAID, "I START GETTIN'
  • 01:21:38.010 --> 01:21:38.290
  • ALL MY STUFF, YOU KNOW, PACKED
  • 01:21:38.290 --> 01:21:41.020
  • UP, AND MY GUITAR, AND ALL OUR
  • 01:21:41.020 --> 01:21:42.120
  • BAND STUFF."
  • 01:21:42.120 --> 01:21:45.040
  • AND, HE SAYS, "I START KINDA
  • 01:21:45.040 --> 01:21:46.110
  • HEADING FOR THE DOOR."
  • 01:21:46.110 --> 01:21:47.290
  • AND HE SAID, "I LOOK AND I SEE
  • 01:21:47.290 --> 01:21:49.010
  • THOSE SAME GUYS AND I HEAR
  • 01:21:49.010 --> 01:21:50.150
  • LAUGHTER OUT OF A ROOM."
  • 01:21:50.150 --> 01:21:52.260
  • IT WAS THOSE SAME FIVE OR SIX
  • 01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:53.290
  • GUYS IN THERE, YOU KNOW.
  • 01:21:53.290 --> 01:21:54.220
  • SO, HE SAID, "I GO IN THERE AND
  • 01:21:54.220 --> 01:21:55.160
  • I SIT DOWN."
  • 01:21:55.160 --> 01:21:57.130
  • AND HE STARTED CRYIN' ON THE
  • 01:21:57.130 --> 01:21:58.100
  • PHONE.
  • 01:21:58.100 --> 01:21:59.060
  • BUT, HE SAID, "ONE GUY SAID:
  • 01:21:59.060 --> 01:22:01.010
  • 'YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK I GOT A
  • 01:22:01.010 --> 01:22:03.240
  • LETTER FROM MY DAUGHTER.
  • 01:22:03.240 --> 01:22:05.070
  • I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER FOR 18
  • 01:22:05.070 --> 01:22:06.170
  • YEARS AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE
  • 01:22:06.170 --> 01:22:07.110
  • FORGIVES ME.'"
  • 01:22:07.110 --> 01:22:09.210
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 01:22:09.210 --> 01:22:10.190
  • AND THEN THE NEXT GUY JUST HAD
  • 01:22:10.190 --> 01:22:11.140
  • THIS...JUST GRATEFUL ATTITUDE
  • 01:22:11.150 --> 01:22:14.150
  • FOR SOMETHING THAT HE HAD-- HE
  • 01:22:14.150 --> 01:22:16.060
  • HAD BEEN BLESSED WITH THAT
  • 01:22:16.060 --> 01:22:17.060
  • WEEK, YOU KNOW?
  • 01:22:17.060 --> 01:22:18.010
  • AND HE SAID, "ALL THESE GUYS
  • 01:22:18.010 --> 01:22:18.290
  • WERE JUST SO THANKFUL AND
  • 01:22:18.290 --> 01:22:21.170
  • GRATEFUL FOR THESE THINGS."
  • 01:22:21.170 --> 01:22:22.170
  • AND HE SAID, "IT COMES DOWN TO
  • 01:22:22.170 --> 01:22:23.200
  • ME," AND HE-- I HOPE HE DOESN'T
  • 01:22:23.200 --> 01:22:24.270
  • MIND ME TELLING THIS STORY.
  • 01:22:24.270 --> 01:22:26.170
  • BUT HE GOES, "YOU KNOW, I GO:
  • 01:22:26.170 --> 01:22:27.150
  • 'YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 01:22:27.150 --> 01:22:28.110
  • I HAVEN'T HAD A VERY GOOD DAY.
  • 01:22:28.110 --> 01:22:29.120
  • YOU KNOW, I'VE COME UP HERE,
  • 01:22:29.120 --> 01:22:31.020
  • I'VE BUSTED MY BUTT, YOU KNOW,
  • 01:22:31.020 --> 01:22:33.000
  • TO BE HERE.'"
  • 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.260
  • AND, HE SAID THE ROOM AFTER--
  • 01:22:35.260 --> 01:22:38.180
  • HE SAID, "AFTER I JUST SAT
  • 01:22:38.180 --> 01:22:39.260
  • THERE AND COMPLAINED FOR A
  • 01:22:39.260 --> 01:22:41.180
  • MINUTE," -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
  • 01:22:41.180 --> 01:22:43.230
  • THE ONES IN PRISON, IN PELICAN
  • 01:22:43.230 --> 01:22:44.190
  • BAY, YOU KNOW -- AND HE SAID--
  • 01:22:44.190 --> 01:22:46.000
  • HE SAID, "THEY ALL JUST KIND OF
  • 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:47.160
  • LOOKED AND ME AND THEY SAID,
  • 01:22:47.160 --> 01:22:48.120
  • 'WELL, MAYBE-- CJ, MAYBE THAT'S
  • 01:22:48.120 --> 01:22:49.210
  • HAPPENED TO YOU THIS WEEK THAT
  • 01:22:49.210 --> 01:22:51.010
  • MAYBE YOU COULD FEEL A LITTLE
  • 01:22:51.010 --> 01:22:52.270
  • BIT OF WHAT WE FEEL.'"
  • 01:22:52.290 --> 01:22:55.290
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:22:55.290 --> 01:22:56.200
  • - JOHN: WOW...
  • 01:22:56.200 --> 01:22:57.090
  • - LAURIE: YOU KNOW?
  • 01:22:57.090 --> 01:22:58.090
  • AND HE SAID, "I JUST STARTED
  • 01:22:58.090 --> 01:22:58.290
  • BAWLING."
  • 01:22:58.290 --> 01:22:59.270
  • AND HE SAID, "THEY ALL STARTED
  • 01:22:59.270 --> 01:23:00.210
  • PRAYIN' FOR ME."
  • 01:23:00.210 --> 01:23:01.210
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:23:01.210 --> 01:23:03.140
  • AND HE SAID, "I GOT IN MY CAR
  • 01:23:03.140 --> 01:23:04.100
  • AND I START TRAVELING HOME."
  • 01:23:04.100 --> 01:23:05.130
  • HE'S JUST WEEPING ON THE WAY
  • 01:23:05.130 --> 01:23:07.170
  • HOME, YOU KNOW?
  • 01:23:08.020 --> 01:23:11.020
  • AND GOD SPOKE TO HIM, HE SAID:
  • 01:23:11.020 --> 01:23:12.070
  • DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT
  • 01:23:12.070 --> 01:23:13.030
  • SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE.
  • 01:23:13.030 --> 01:23:13.270
  • - MATT: WOW...
  • 01:23:13.270 --> 01:23:14.180
  • [APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
  • 01:23:14.180 --> 01:23:15.180
  • WOW.
  • 01:23:15.180 --> 01:23:16.120
  • - JOHN: THAT'S SO POWERFUL.
  • 01:23:16.120 --> 01:23:17.080
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:23:17.080 --> 01:23:18.030
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:23:18.030 --> 01:23:19.000
  • - JOHN: WOW.
  • 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:19.230
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:23:19.230 --> 01:23:20.230
  • WOW.
  • 01:23:20.230 --> 01:23:21.130
  • - LAURIE: YOU KNOW?
  • 01:23:21.130 --> 01:23:22.020
  • DON'T EVER LET THE VOICE OF THE
  • 01:23:22.020 --> 01:23:24.130
  • ENEMY TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE NOT
  • 01:23:24.130 --> 01:23:25.170
  • DOING ENOUGH, EITHER.
  • 01:23:26.030 --> 01:23:29.030
  • - MATT: WOW, WOW.
  • 01:23:29.030 --> 01:23:30.080
  • - LAURIE: BECAUSE GOD HAS
  • 01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:30.270
  • CALLED YOU TO SOMETHING.
  • 01:23:30.270 --> 01:23:31.200
  • YOU MIGHT BE FULFILLING IT
  • 01:23:31.200 --> 01:23:32.190
  • ABSOLUTELY TO THE T.
  • 01:23:32.190 --> 01:23:35.020
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 01:23:35.020 --> 01:23:35.280
  • - LAURIE: MAMAS, YOU MIGHT BE
  • 01:23:35.280 --> 01:23:36.250
  • SITTING THERE RAISING YOUR
  • 01:23:36.250 --> 01:23:37.260
  • CHILDREN, SAYING, "I'VE GOTTA
  • 01:23:37.260 --> 01:23:38.210
  • GET OUT OF HERE, I'VE GOTTA DO
  • 01:23:38.210 --> 01:23:39.160
  • MORE."
  • 01:23:39.160 --> 01:23:40.110
  • GOD'S CALLED YOU TO THOSE KIDS.
  • 01:23:40.110 --> 01:23:41.130
  • NURSES?
  • 01:23:42.200 --> 01:23:45.200
  • YOU MIGHT BE STUCK IN YOUR JOB
  • 01:23:45.200 --> 01:23:46.110
  • RIGHT NOW,
  • 01:23:46.110 --> 01:23:47.170
  • AND FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOTHING--
  • 01:23:47.170 --> 01:23:48.090
  • YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST GOING
  • 01:23:48.090 --> 01:23:49.020
  • NOWHERE.
  • 01:23:49.020 --> 01:23:50.110
  • I'M TELLING YOU -- YOU ARE IN
  • 01:23:50.110 --> 01:23:51.070
  • GOD'S PERFECT, DIVINE PLACE.
  • 01:23:51.070 --> 01:23:52.240
  • - MATT: COME ON, NOW.
  • 01:23:52.240 --> 01:23:53.220
  • BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:23:53.220 --> 01:23:54.090
  • - LAURIE: DO WHAT YOU DO.
  • 01:23:54.090 --> 01:23:55.070
  • DO WHAT GOD'S CALLED YOU--
  • 01:23:55.070 --> 01:23:56.050
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:23:56.050 --> 01:23:56.220
  • YOU KNOW, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THAT
  • 01:23:56.220 --> 01:23:58.040
  • SCRIPTURE AWHILE AGO --
  • 01:23:58.040 --> 01:24:01.020
  • "DELIGHT YOURSELF IN THE LORD
  • 01:24:01.020 --> 01:24:02.090
  • AND HE'LL GIVE YOU THE DESIRES
  • 01:24:02.090 --> 01:24:03.060
  • OF YOUR HEART."
  • 01:24:03.060 --> 01:24:04.060
  • A LOT OF TIMES I THINK WE'VE
  • 01:24:04.060 --> 01:24:05.200
  • THOUGHT THAT THAT SCRIPTURE
  • 01:24:05.200 --> 01:24:06.240
  • MEANT: I'LL GET THE NEW CAR AND
  • 01:24:06.240 --> 01:24:09.080
  • I'LL GET THE NEW HOUSE.
  • 01:24:09.080 --> 01:24:10.100
  • - JOHN: RIGHT, YEAH.
  • 01:24:10.100 --> 01:24:11.110
  • - LAURIE: BUT GOD SAYS: YOU
  • 01:24:11.110 --> 01:24:12.100
  • DELIGHT YOURSELF IN ME AND I'LL
  • 01:24:12.100 --> 01:24:13.090
  • GIVE YOU THE DESIRE--
  • 01:24:13.090 --> 01:24:15.200
  • - AUDIENCE MEMBER: COME ON,
  • 01:24:15.200 --> 01:24:16.100
  • LAURIE!
  • 01:24:16.100 --> 01:24:17.180
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE THAT...
  • 01:24:17.180 --> 01:24:18.070
  • - JOHN: I'LL PLACE MY
  • 01:24:18.070 --> 01:24:18.240
  • DESIRES.
  • 01:24:18.240 --> 01:24:19.040
  • - LAURIE: ...THAT GOD'S GONNA
  • 01:24:19.040 --> 01:24:19.250
  • GIVE ME MY DESIRE TO DO WHAT
  • 01:24:19.250 --> 01:24:20.180
  • I'M CALLED TO YOU.
  • 01:24:20.180 --> 01:24:21.290
  • - JOHN: YEP, YEP.
  • 01:24:21.290 --> 01:24:23.240
  • - LAURIE: IF YOU REACH OUT,
  • 01:24:23.240 --> 01:24:24.180
  • YOU GRAB A HOLD OF THAT, AND
  • 01:24:24.180 --> 01:24:25.180
  • YOU WALK IN WHAT GOD'S CALLED
  • 01:24:25.180 --> 01:24:26.110
  • YOU TO DO, HE'S GOT-- GOD WILL
  • 01:24:26.110 --> 01:24:27.070
  • NEVER WITHHOLD ANY GOOD THING
  • 01:24:27.070 --> 01:24:28.060
  • FROM YOU.
  • 01:24:28.060 --> 01:24:29.040
  • HE WILL NOT NOT LET YOU KNOW.
  • 01:24:29.040 --> 01:24:30.060
  • I THINK A LOT OF US THINK:
  • 01:24:32.290 --> 01:24:35.290
  • MAYBE I'LL JUST MISS IT.
  • 01:24:35.290 --> 01:24:38.220
  • MAYBE I JUST WON'T KNOW WHEN IT
  • 01:24:38.220 --> 01:24:39.190
  • IS HERE.
  • 01:24:39.190 --> 01:24:40.160
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 01:24:40.160 --> 01:24:41.250
  • AND THAT IT'LL JUST BREEZE BY
  • 01:24:41.250 --> 01:24:42.160
  • ME AND I'LL NEVER FULFILL--
  • 01:24:42.160 --> 01:24:44.140
  • THAT IS A LIE AND YOU WILL WALK
  • 01:24:44.140 --> 01:24:45.260
  • IN WHAT YOU'RE CALLED TO DO!
  • 01:24:45.260 --> 01:24:46.260
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:47.160
  • WOW.
  • 01:24:47.160 --> 01:24:48.110
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 01:24:48.110 --> 01:24:49.100
  • - LAURIE: AND I JUST BELIEVE
  • 01:24:49.100 --> 01:24:50.050
  • IN YOU THAT GOD HAS SPOKEN TO
  • 01:24:50.050 --> 01:24:51.020
  • YOU AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO
  • 01:24:51.020 --> 01:24:51.260
  • EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE CALLED TO
  • 01:24:51.260 --> 01:24:52.200
  • DO.
  • 01:24:52.200 --> 01:24:53.180
  • - JOHN: A PERFECT CAP...A
  • 01:24:53.180 --> 01:24:54.100
  • PERFECT CAP TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN
  • 01:24:54.100 --> 01:24:55.030
  • TALKING ABOUT.
  • 01:24:55.030 --> 01:24:55.240
  • - LAURIE: PRAISE THE LORD.
  • 01:24:55.240 --> 01:24:56.140
  • - MATT: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 01:24:56.140 --> 01:24:57.110
  • UM, WE GOT A MINUTE.
  • 01:24:57.110 --> 01:24:58.080
  • A QUICK PRAYER FOR THOSE THAT
  • 01:24:58.080 --> 01:25:01.090
  • ARE WATCHING, KIND OF FINAL
  • 01:25:01.090 --> 01:25:02.100
  • WORD -- TO YOU, JOHN BEVERE.
  • 01:25:02.100 --> 01:25:04.070
  • - JOHN: I WANNA PRAY THAT YOU
  • 01:25:04.070 --> 01:25:06.250
  • WOULD WALK IN EVERYTHING GOD'S
  • 01:25:06.250 --> 01:25:08.230
  • CREATED YOU TO WALK IN...
  • 01:25:08.230 --> 01:25:09.210
  • - MATT: COME ON, NOW.
  • 01:25:09.210 --> 01:25:10.160
  • - LAURIE: YES.
  • 01:25:10.160 --> 01:25:11.000
  • - JOHN: ...THAT YOU'D FULFILL
  • 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:12.100
  • THAT BOOK THAT HE WROTE ABOUT
  • 01:25:12.100 --> 01:25:13.010
  • YOUR LIFE.
  • 01:25:13.010 --> 01:25:13.120
  • AND SO, JUST BELIEVE WITH ME
  • 01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:14.020
  • NOW.
  • 01:25:14.020 --> 01:25:14.230
  • JUST, IN FAITH, REACH OUT AND
  • 01:25:14.230 --> 01:25:15.140
  • GRAB IT.
  • 01:25:15.140 --> 01:25:16.140
  • - LAURIE: YES.
  • 01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:17.050
  • - MATT: COME ON, NOW.
  • 01:25:17.050 --> 01:25:18.030
  • - JOHN: FATHER, I PRAY FOR
  • 01:25:18.030 --> 01:25:19.010
  • EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT'S
  • 01:25:19.010 --> 01:25:19.250
  • WATCHING RIGHT NOW...
  • 01:25:19.250 --> 01:25:20.270
  • - MATT: THANK YOU, LORD.
  • 01:25:20.270 --> 01:25:21.200
  • - JOHN: ...LORD, EVERYONE
  • 01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:22.110
  • THAT'S EVEN GOT THEIR HANDS IN
  • 01:25:22.110 --> 01:25:23.030
  • THE AIR, THEY GOT THEIR HANDS
  • 01:25:23.030 --> 01:25:23.270
  • STRETCHED OUT, THEY GOT THEIR
  • 01:25:23.270 --> 01:25:24.260
  • HEAD BOWED...
  • 01:25:24.260 --> 01:25:25.160
  • - MATT: THANK YOU, LORD.
  • 01:25:25.160 --> 01:25:26.090
  • - LAURIE: THANK YOU, LORD.
  • 01:25:26.090 --> 01:25:27.010
  • - JOHN: ....I PRAY THAT THEY
  • 01:25:27.010 --> 01:25:27.270
  • WOULD WALK IN THE STEPS THAT
  • 01:25:27.270 --> 01:25:28.190
  • YOU'VE ORDAINED THEM TO WALK
  • 01:25:28.190 --> 01:25:29.180
  • IN.
  • 01:25:31.030 --> 01:25:34.030
  • PLACE YOUR DESIRES THAT YOU
  • 01:25:34.030 --> 01:25:34.230
  • HAVE FOR THEIR LIFE WITHIN THEM
  • 01:25:34.230 --> 01:25:35.150
  • AS THEY DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN
  • 01:25:35.150 --> 01:25:36.190
  • YOU.
  • 01:25:36.190 --> 01:25:37.200
  • AND I PRAY THAT EVERY OBSTACLE
  • 01:25:37.200 --> 01:25:38.270
  • THAT STANDS IN THEIR WAY --
  • 01:25:38.270 --> 01:25:39.250
  • THAT IT WOULD BE REMOVED AND
  • 01:25:39.250 --> 01:25:40.270
  • THEY WOULD WALK INTO THAT
  • 01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:41.250
  • DESTINY YOU'VE CREATED FOR
  • 01:25:41.250 --> 01:25:43.010
  • THEM, IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
  • 01:25:43.230 --> 01:25:46.230
  • - LAURIE: AMEN.
  • 01:25:46.230 --> 01:25:47.260
  • - MATT: AMEN.
  • 01:25:47.260 --> 01:25:49.030
  • [APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
  • 01:25:49.030 --> 01:25:49.280
  • - LAURIE: HALLELUJAH!
  • 01:25:49.280 --> 01:25:50.240
  • - MATT: "DRIVEN BY DESTINY."
  • 01:25:50.240 --> 01:25:51.250
  • - JOHN: "DRIVEN BY ETERNITY."
  • 01:25:51.250 --> 01:25:52.270
  • - LAURIE: MWAH!
  • 01:25:52.270 --> 01:25:53.250
  • - MATT: CALL THE 800 NUMBER.
  • 01:25:53.250 --> 01:25:55.070
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE YOU.
  • 01:25:55.070 --> 01:25:56.030
  • - MATT: WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT
  • 01:25:56.030 --> 01:25:57.000
  • TIME.
  • 01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:58.030
  • BYE-BYE.
  • 01:25:58.030 --> 01:25:59.000
  • - LAURIE: BYE-BYE.
  • 01:26:00.110 --> 01:26:03.110
  • 01:26:03.110 --> 01:26:05.090
  • [APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
  • 01:26:08.110 --> 01:26:11.110