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March 27, 2020
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Dr. Linda Mintle shares her new book; Living Beyond Pain. Dr. Mintle offers people living in pain a holistic approach to pain management without the use of opioids.

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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAMIS SPONSORED IN PART BY
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  • IS SPONSORED IN PART BYCARSHIELD, GIVING
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  • CARSHIELD, GIVINGTHOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • [CRASH][CHEERS]
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  • [CHEERS]♪ THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW ♪
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  • ♪ THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW ♪- ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,IT'S "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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  • ARE YOU READY?
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  • ARE YOU READY?ARE YOU READY?
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  • ARE YOU READY?SIT DOWN.
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  • SIT DOWN.LISTEN CAREFULLY.
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  • LISTEN CAREFULLY.IN THE STUDIO WITH ME
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  • IN THE STUDIO WITH MERIGHT NOW IS AN OLD
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  • RIGHT NOW IS AN OLDFRIEND, LINDA MINTLE, OR
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  • LINDA MINTLE, PHD.
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  • LINDA MINTLE, PHD.SHE'S A NATIONAL SPEAKER,
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  • SHE'S A NATIONAL SPEAKER,BLOGGER, RADIO HOST,
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  • BLOGGER, RADIO HOST,AND BEST-SELLING AUTHOR
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  • AND BEST-SELLING AUTHOROF 20 BOOKS.
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  • OF 20 BOOKS.SHE HAS 30 YEARS OF
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  • SHE HAS 30 YEARS OFCLINICAL PRACTICE AS A
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  • CLINICAL PRACTICE AS ATHERAPIST AND COACH,
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  • THERAPIST AND COACH,AND HER CURRENT CLINICAL AND
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  • AND HER CURRENT CLINICAL ANDACADEMIC EFFORTS ARE BEING
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  • ACADEMIC EFFORTS ARE BEINGDIRECTED TOWARD THE
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  • DIRECTED TOWARD THEDEVELOPMENT--
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  • DEVELOPMENT--LISTEN CAREFULLY--
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  • LISTEN CAREFULLY--OF AN INTERPROFESSIONAL APPROACH
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  • OF AN INTERPROFESSIONAL APPROACHTO PAIN MANAGEMENT.
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  • TO PAIN MANAGEMENT.LINDA MINTLE,
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  • LINDA MINTLE,DR. LINDA MINTLE, WELCOME
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  • DR. LINDA MINTLE, WELCOMETO THE PROGRAM.
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  • TO THE PROGRAM.- DR. LINDA MINTLE: IT'S
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  • - DR. LINDA MINTLE: IT'SGREAT TO BE WITH YOU, ERIC,
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  • GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, ERIC,AM I AN OLD FRIEND--
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  • AM I AN OLD FRIEND--OR A FRIEND WHO'S OLD?
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  • OR A FRIEND WHO'S OLD?- ERIC: WELL, IT SAYS YOU
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  • - ERIC: WELL, IT SAYS YOUHAVE 30 YEARS OF CLINICAL
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  • HAVE 30 YEARS OF CLINICALPRACTICE--
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  • PRACTICE--- LINDA: THAT MAKES ME OLD.
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  • - LINDA: THAT MAKES ME OLD.- ERIC: -- AS A THERAPIST,
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  • - ERIC: -- AS A THERAPIST,AND I SAID,
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  • AND I SAID,"THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S--"
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  • "THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S--"YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS ISN'T
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  • YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS ISN'TWHAT IT USED TO BE.
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  • WHAT IT USED TO BE.LET'S BE HONEST.
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  • LET'S BE HONEST.I MEAN, COME ON-- 30 YEARS?
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  • I MEAN, COME ON-- 30 YEARS?OKAY, LOOK, THE BOOK I'M
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  • OKAY, LOOK, THE BOOK I'MHOLDING IN MY HAND IS
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  • HOLDING IN MY HAND ISCALLED "LIVING BEYOND PAIN:
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  • CALLED "LIVING BEYOND PAIN:A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO MANAGE
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  • A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO MANAGEPAIN AND GET YOUR LIFE BACK."
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  • PAIN AND GET YOUR LIFE BACK."SO TELL US, LINDA MINTLE,
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  • SO TELL US, LINDA MINTLE,WHAT GOT YOU ON
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  • - LINDA: SO PEOPLE ARE
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  • - LINDA: SO PEOPLE AREVERY AWARE THAT THERE'S AN
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  • VERY AWARE THAT THERE'S ANOPIOID CRISIS.
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  • OPIOID CRISIS.I MEAN, IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS.
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  • I MEAN, IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS.WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
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  • WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUTTHAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS
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  • THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARSNOW, AND IT'S VERY SERIOUS
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  • NOW, AND IT'S VERY SERIOUSCRISIS WITH A LOT OF OUR
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  • IT'S NOT THE ADDICT ON THE
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  • IT'S NOT THE ADDICT ON THESTREET, ERIC.
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  • STREET, ERIC.IT'S PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW
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  • IT'S PEOPLE THAT WE KNOWIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
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  • IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AREDYING FROM AN OPIOID OVERDOSE.
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  • DYING FROM AN OPIOID OVERDOSE.AND SO WE WERE LOOKING AT
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  • AND SO WE WERE LOOKING ATTHIS AS WE WERE TRYING TO
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  • THIS AS WE WERE TRYING TOFIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE
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  • FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WETOUCH THIS CRISIS AND WHAT
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  • TOUCH THIS CRISIS AND WHATCAN WE DO ABOUT IT, AND WE
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  • CAN WE DO ABOUT IT, AND WEREALIZED THAT THERE WERE
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  • REALIZED THAT THERE WERE100 MILLION, 100 MILLION
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  • 100 MILLION, 100 MILLIONPEOPLE THAT ARE IN
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  • PEOPLE THAT ARE INCHRONIC PAIN.
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  • CHRONIC PAIN.SO THREE OF FOUR PEOPLE
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  • SO THREE OF FOUR PEOPLETHAT ARE WATCHING US NOW
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  • THAT ARE WATCHING US NOWKNOW SOMEBODY, HAVE
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  • KNOW SOMEBODY, HAVESOMEBODY IN THEIR FAMILY,
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  • SOMEBODY IN THEIR FAMILY,THAT ARE DEALING WITH SOME
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  • THAT ARE DEALING WITH SOMETYPE OF CHRONIC PAIN.
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  • TYPE OF CHRONIC PAIN.- ERIC: IT'S HARD TO
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  • - ERIC: IT'S HARD TOBELIEVE THAT --
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  • BELIEVE THAT --I MEAN,
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  • I MEAN,THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST A
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  • THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST ALITTLE STAGGERING.
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  • LITTLE STAGGERING.HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT
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  • HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THATTHAT MANY PEOPLE ARE IN
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  • THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE INCHRONIC PAIN?
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  • CHRONIC PAIN?- LINDA: YOU CAN HAVE
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  • - LINDA: YOU CAN HAVEEVERYTHING FROM HEADACHES,
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  • EVERYTHING FROM HEADACHES,TO MY MIGRAINES,
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  • TO MY MIGRAINES,TO OSTEOARTHRITIS,
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  • TO OSTEOARTHRITIS,TO RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS,
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  • TO RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS,TO INJURIES.
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  • TO INJURIES.THERE WAS AN OVERPRESCRIPTION
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  • THERE WAS AN OVERPRESCRIPTIONOF THOSE NARCOTIC DRUGS.
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  • OF THOSE NARCOTIC DRUGS.- ERIC: SO, REALLY,
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  • - ERIC: SO, REALLY,DOCTORS ARE TO BLAME?
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  • DOCTORS ARE TO BLAME?- LINDA: NO, NO.
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  • - LINDA: NO, NO.- ERIC: NO?
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  • - ERIC: NO?- LINDA: SO WE WANNA GO
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  • - LINDA: SO WE WANNA GOBACK TO THE OPIOID CRISIS.
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  • BACK TO THE OPIOID CRISIS.SO LET'S DO A LITTLE
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  • SO LET'S DO A LITTLEHISTORY LESSON WITH THAT.
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  • HISTORY LESSON WITH THAT.YOU'RE INTO HISTORY--
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  • YOU'RE INTO HISTORY--I KNOW THAT.
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  • I KNOW THAT.- ERIC: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: YEAH.- LINDA: SO WHAT HAPPENED
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  • - LINDA: SO WHAT HAPPENEDIS THERE WAS AN EDITORIAL
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  • IS THERE WAS AN EDITORIALTHAT WAS SENT TO A VERY
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  • THAT WAS SENT TO A VERYPRESTIGIOUS JOURNAL,
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  • PRESTIGIOUS JOURNAL,A MEDICAL JOURNAL, AND IT
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  • A MEDICAL JOURNAL, AND ITSAID, BASICALLY, "WE DON'T
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  • SAID, BASICALLY, "WE DON'TBELIEVE THAT THESE OPIOIDS
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  • BELIEVE THAT THESE OPIOIDSARE ADDICTIVE."
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  • ARE ADDICTIVE."AND IT WAS JUST A SMALL
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  • AND IT WAS JUST A SMALLSAMPLE OF PEOPLE.
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  • SAMPLE OF PEOPLE.IT GOT NOTORIETY THROUGH
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  • IT GOT NOTORIETY THROUGHTHIS PRESTIGIOUS JOURNAL,
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  • THIS PRESTIGIOUS JOURNAL,AND SO DOCTORS WERE BEING
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  • AND SO DOCTORS WERE BEINGTOLD, "HEY, THESE OPIOIDS
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  • TOLD, "HEY, THESE OPIOIDSAND NARCOTICS ARE NOT
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  • AND NARCOTICS ARE NOTADDICTIVE, SO WE WANT YOU
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  • ADDICTIVE, SO WE WANT YOUTO PRESCRIBE."
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  • TO PRESCRIBE."DURING THAT TIME,
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  • DURING THAT TIME,PAIN WAS SUCH A PROBLEM
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  • PAIN WAS SUCH A PROBLEMFOR SO MANY PEOPLE
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  • FOR SO MANY PEOPLETHAT DOCTORS WERE TOLD
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  • THAT DOCTORS WERE TOLDTHAT PAIN IS LIKE THE
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  • THAT PAIN IS LIKE THEFIFTH VITAL SIGN, SO YOU
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  • FIFTH VITAL SIGN, SO YOUWANNA TAKE THEIR BLOOD
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  • WANNA TAKE THEIR BLOODPRESSURE, YOU WANNA,
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  • PRESSURE, YOU WANNA,YOU KNOW, CHECK ALL-- PULSE,
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  • YOU KNOW, CHECK ALL-- PULSE,ALL THESE THINGS, BUT YOU
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  • ALL THESE THINGS, BUT YOUALSO WANNA CHECK THEIR
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  • ALSO WANNA CHECK THEIRPAIN, AND YOU NEED TO DO
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  • PAIN, AND YOU NEED TO DOSOMETHING ABOUT THEIR PAIN.
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  • SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR PAIN.SO THEN BIG PHARMA COMES
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  • SO THEN BIG PHARMA COMESIN, AND PURDUE PHARMA WAS
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  • IN, AND PURDUE PHARMA WASONE OF THE BIGGEST
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  • ONE OF THE BIGGESTOFFENDERS, AND THERE'S
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  • OFFENDERS, AND THERE'SBEEN ALL KINDS OF LEGAL
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  • BEEN ALL KINDS OF LEGALISSUES WITH THEM, BUT THEY
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  • ISSUES WITH THEM, BUT THEYCAME IN, THEY WERE
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  • CAME IN, THEY WEREMANUFACTURING OXYCONTIN
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  • MANUFACTURING OXYCONTINAND ALL THESE OTHER DRUGS,
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  • AND ALL THESE OTHER DRUGS,AND THEY WERE PUSHING 'EM
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  • AND THEY WERE PUSHING 'EMIN THE HOSPITALS.
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  • IN THE HOSPITALS.SO DOCTORS WERE EVALUATED BY
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  • SO DOCTORS WERE EVALUATED BYHOW WELL THEY MANAGED PAIN.
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  • HOW WELL THEY MANAGED PAIN.THE HOSPITAL CREDITORS
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  • THE HOSPITAL CREDITORSCAME IN AND SAID, "YOU
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  • CAME IN AND SAID, "YOUWILL PRESCRIBE THESE."
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  • WILL PRESCRIBE THESE."I REMEMBER THERE WERE VIDEOS
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  • I REMEMBER THERE WERE VIDEOSIN WAITING ROOMS, SAYING
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  • IN WAITING ROOMS, SAYINGOPIOIDS ARE SAFE, THEY'RE
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  • OPIOIDS ARE SAFE, THEY'REEFFECTIVE, THEY'RE NOT
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  • EFFECTIVE, THEY'RE NOTADDICTIVE.
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  • ADDICTIVE.WELL, OF COURSE, THEY'RE
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  • WELL, OF COURSE, THEY'READDICTIVE, AND ALL OF THAT
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  • ADDICTIVE, AND ALL OF THATWAS BASED ON AN UNTRUTH.
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  • WAS BASED ON AN UNTRUTH.AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS
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  • AND SO WHAT HAPPENS ISDOCTORS WERE LIBERALLY
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  • DOCTORS WERE LIBERALLYPRESCRIBING WITH THE
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  • PRESCRIBING WITH THEPRESSURE OF HOSPITALS AND
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  • PRESSURE OF HOSPITALS ANDACCREDITING BODIES SAYING,
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  • ACCREDITING BODIES SAYING,"YOU WILL DO THIS," AND WE
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  • "YOU WILL DO THIS," AND WEENDED UP IN A CRISIS
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  • ENDED UP IN A CRISISBECAUSE THEN WE NOW KNOW
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  • BECAUSE THEN WE NOW KNOWTHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT
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  • THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GOTADDICTED TO THESE DRUGS.
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  • ADDICTED TO THESE DRUGS.- ERIC: OKAY, WELL, MY
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, WELL, MYGOODNESS, SO WHAT IS
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  • - LINDA: SO ONE OF THE
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  • - LINDA: SO ONE OF THETHINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO
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  • THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED TOUNDERSTAND ABOUT PAIN,
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  • UNDERSTAND ABOUT PAIN,WHEN YOU HURT YOURSELF AND
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  • WHEN YOU HURT YOURSELF ANDYOU INJURE YOURSELF,
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  • YOU INJURE YOURSELF,USUALLY YOU DO A FEW THINGS,
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  • USUALLY YOU DO A FEW THINGS,AND THE PAIN GOES AWAY.
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  • AND THE PAIN GOES AWAY.SO PAIN IS AN ALARM THAT'S
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  • IT'S AN EFFECTIVE ALARM.
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  • IT'S AN EFFECTIVE ALARM.IF YOU DON'T HAVE PAIN,
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  • IF YOU DON'T HAVE PAIN,YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT
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  • YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THATTHERE'S A PROBLEM.
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  • THERE'S A PROBLEM.YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT
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  • YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THATTHERE'S SOMETHING YOU NEED
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  • THERE'S SOMETHING YOU NEEDTO ADDRESS.
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  • TO ADDRESS.BUT CHRONIC PAIN IS A
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  • BUT CHRONIC PAIN IS AWHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
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  • WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.SO ONCE THE, MAYBE, THE
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  • SO ONCE THE, MAYBE, THEINJURY HEALS OR YOU GET
  • 00:04:49.037 --> 00:04:52.440
  • INJURY HEALS OR YOU GETBEYOND THAT ACUTE PHASE OF
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  • BEYOND THAT ACUTE PHASE OFPAIN, WHAT HAPPENS TO SOME
  • 00:04:54.075 --> 00:04:55.143
  • PAIN, WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEPEOPLE IS THEY BECOME
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  • PEOPLE IS THEY BECOMESENSITIZED TO PAIN, SO
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  • SENSITIZED TO PAIN, SOTHEIR CENTRAL NERVOUS
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  • THEIR CENTRAL NERVOUSSYSTEM CHANGES, THEIR
  • 00:04:59.213 --> 00:05:00.815
  • SYSTEM CHANGES, THEIRBRAIN GETS REWIRED TOWARDS
  • 00:05:00.815 --> 00:05:02.283
  • BRAIN GETS REWIRED TOWARDSTHE PAIN, AND CHRONIC PAIN
  • 00:05:02.283 --> 00:05:03.985
  • THE PAIN, AND CHRONIC PAINIS REALLY A CHRONIC
  • 00:05:03.985 --> 00:05:05.820
  • IS REALLY A CHRONICBRAIN DISEASE.
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  • BRAIN DISEASE.SO PAIN IS IN YOUR BRAIN.
  • 00:05:06.821 --> 00:05:08.489
  • SO PAIN IS IN YOUR BRAIN.IF I HIT YOU RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:05:08.489 --> 00:05:09.991
  • IF I HIT YOU RIGHT NOW,YOU'RE NOT FEELING THE
  • 00:05:09.991 --> 00:05:11.793
  • YOU'RE NOT FEELING THEPAIN ON YOUR ARM.
  • 00:05:11.793 --> 00:05:12.493
  • PAIN ON YOUR ARM.IF I HIT YOU ON THE ARM,
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  • IF I HIT YOU ON THE ARM,YOU'RE FEELING IT-- THE
  • 00:05:13.161 --> 00:05:13.928
  • YOU'RE FEELING IT-- THEPERCEPTION OF PAIN
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  • PERCEPTION OF PAINIS IN HERE.
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  • IS IN HERE.- ERIC: IN OTHER WORDS,
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  • - ERIC: IN OTHER WORDS,TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT.
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  • TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT.IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A
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  • IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ABRAIN, YOU WOULDN'T FEEL
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  • BRAIN, YOU WOULDN'T FEELTHE PAIN.
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  • THE PAIN.- LINDA: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • - LINDA: THAT'S RIGHT.- ERIC: AND,
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  • - ERIC: AND,UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF US
  • 00:05:20.301 --> 00:05:21.202
  • UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF USHAVE BRAINS.
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  • HAVE BRAINS.SO HOW DO WE GET AROUND
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  • SO HOW DO WE GET AROUNDTHIS THEN?
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  • THIS THEN?- LINDA: SO I LIKE TO
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  • - LINDA: SO I LIKE TOSAY, "THE BANE OF PAIN IS
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  • SAY, "THE BANE OF PAIN ISPLAINLY IN THE BRAIN."
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  • PLAINLY IN THE BRAIN."THAT'S THE WAY TO REMEMBER
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  • THAT'S THE WAY TO REMEMBERTHAT.
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  • THAT.- ERIC: AND "HEREFORD,
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  • - ERIC: AND "HEREFORD,HARTFORD, AND HAMPSHIRE
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  • HARTFORD, AND HAMPSHIREHURRICANES HARDLY HAPPEN."
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  • HURRICANES HARDLY HAPPEN."[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]- LINDA: THERE YOU GO.
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  • - LINDA: THERE YOU GO.SO THE REASON I'M TALKING
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  • SO THE REASON I'M TALKINGABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE PART
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  • ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE PARTOF THE TREATMENT OF
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  • OF THE TREATMENT OFDEALING WITH CHRONIC PAIN
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  • DEALING WITH CHRONIC PAINIS YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE
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  • IS YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THEPERCEPTION OF PAIN IN YOUR
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  • PERCEPTION OF PAIN IN YOURBRAIN, AND YOU HAVE TO
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  • BRAIN, AND YOU HAVE TOCALM DOWN THE CENTRAL
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  • CALM DOWN THE CENTRALNERVOUS SYSTEM, AND THAT'S
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  • NERVOUS SYSTEM, AND THAT'SWHY SO MANY OF THE
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  • WHY SO MANY OF THEMIND-BODY TREATMENTS
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  • MIND-BODY TREATMENTSREALLY WORK WITH CHRONIC
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  • REALLY WORK WITH CHRONICPAIN BECAUSE YOU'RE
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  • PAIN BECAUSE YOU'RECHANGING THE BRAIN BY THE
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  • CHANGING THE BRAIN BY THETHINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING
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  • THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKINGABOUT IN THE BOOK TO DO,
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  • ABOUT IN THE BOOK TO DO,AND WE ONLY LOOKED AT
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  • AND WE ONLY LOOKED ATEVIDENCE-BASED TREATMENTS.
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  • EVIDENCE-BASED TREATMENTS.WE LOOKED AT THINGS THAT
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  • WE LOOKED AT THINGS THATWERE BASED ON RESEARCH,
  • 00:06:01.542 --> 00:06:02.844
  • WERE BASED ON RESEARCH,NOT PEOPLE'S ANECDOTAL
  • 00:06:02.844 --> 00:06:03.544
  • NOT PEOPLE'S ANECDOTALSTORIES, WHICH ARE ALWAYS
  • 00:06:03.544 --> 00:06:04.512
  • STORIES, WHICH ARE ALWAYSINTERESTING.
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  • INTERESTING.- ERIC: OKAY, SO WAIT, SO
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO WAIT, SOIF SOMEBODY'S LISTENING
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  • IF SOMEBODY'S LISTENINGAND THEY HAVE CHRONIC
  • 00:06:07.882 --> 00:06:08.850
  • AND THEY HAVE CHRONICPAIN, OR THEY KNOW SOMEONE
  • 00:06:08.850 --> 00:06:11.285
  • PAIN, OR THEY KNOW SOMEONEWHO DOES, WHAT ARE YOU
  • 00:06:11.285 --> 00:06:12.620
  • WHO DOES, WHAT ARE YOUSAYING TO THOSE PEOPLE?
  • 00:06:12.620 --> 00:06:13.721
  • SAYING TO THOSE PEOPLE?YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE
  • 00:06:13.721 --> 00:06:14.989
  • YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEREARE WAYS THAT THEY CAN
  • 00:06:14.989 --> 00:06:16.124
  • ARE WAYS THAT THEY CANMANAGE THAT, THAT ARE FAR
  • 00:06:16.124 --> 00:06:17.125
  • MANAGE THAT, THAT ARE FARMORE EFFECTIVE THAN OPIOIDS?
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  • MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OPIOIDS?- LINDA: RIGHT.
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  • - LINDA: RIGHT.- ERIC: AND WHAT ARE SOME
  • 00:06:19.761 --> 00:06:20.395
  • - ERIC: AND WHAT ARE SOMEOF THOSE WAYS?
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  • OF THOSE WAYS?- LINDA: WELL, LET ME
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  • - LINDA: WELL, LET MEGIVE AN EXAMPLE FIRST.
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  • GIVE AN EXAMPLE FIRST.THIS WOULD BE REALLY
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  • THIS WOULD BE REALLYHELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO
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  • HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TOUNDERSTAND, AND IT'S BASED
  • 00:06:24.632 --> 00:06:26.601
  • UNDERSTAND, AND IT'S BASEDON A STORY FROM THE TOUR
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  • ON A STORY FROM THE TOURDE FRANCE, SO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:06:27.201 --> 00:06:27.769
  • DE FRANCE, SO, YOU KNOW,THE BICYCLE RACE, THE
  • 00:06:27.769 --> 00:06:28.236
  • THE BICYCLE RACE, THETOUR DE FRANCE?
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  • TOUR DE FRANCE?- ERIC: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: YEAH.- LINDA: OKAY, SO THE
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  • - LINDA: OKAY, SO THEBRITISH TEAM HAD NOT WON
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  • BRITISH TEAM HAD NOT WONTHAT RACE FOR OVER 100
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  • THAT RACE FOR OVER 100YEARS, AND THEY WERE A
  • 00:06:33.074 --> 00:06:33.875
  • YEARS, AND THEY WERE ALITTLE LIKE CUBS FANS.
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  • LITTLE LIKE CUBS FANS.THEY WERE TIRED OF LOSING,
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  • THEY WERE TIRED OF LOSING,RIGHT?
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  • RIGHT?SO THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD
  • 00:06:36.911 --> 00:06:38.146
  • SO THEY DECIDED THEY WOULDHIRE A NEW COACH.
  • 00:06:38.146 --> 00:06:39.547
  • HIRE A NEW COACH.THEY GOT A COACH FROM THE
  • 00:06:39.547 --> 00:06:41.249
  • THEY GOT A COACH FROM THEBUSINESS WORLD.
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  • BUSINESS WORLD.HE CAME IN WITH THIS
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  • HE CAME IN WITH THISCONCEPT CALLED "MARGINAL
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  • CONCEPT CALLED "MARGINALGAINS," AND WHAT HE DID IS
  • 00:06:44.452 --> 00:06:46.621
  • GAINS," AND WHAT HE DID ISHE LOOKED AT THE RACE, AND
  • 00:06:46.621 --> 00:06:49.023
  • HE LOOKED AT THE RACE, ANDHE LOOKED AT EVERY ASPECT
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  • HE LOOKED AT EVERY ASPECTOF RIDING A BIKE, SO HE
  • 00:06:49.857 --> 00:06:51.325
  • OF RIDING A BIKE, SO HELOOKED AT THE WAY THE
  • 00:06:51.325 --> 00:06:52.226
  • LOOKED AT THE WAY THESEATS WERE POSITIONED,
  • 00:06:52.226 --> 00:06:53.428
  • SEATS WERE POSITIONED,HE LOOKED AT THE HANDLES, HE
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  • HE LOOKED AT THE HANDLES, HELOOKED AT THE COLOR OF THE
  • 00:06:54.695 --> 00:06:55.897
  • LOOKED AT THE COLOR OF THEBIKES, HE LOOKED AT THE
  • 00:06:55.897 --> 00:06:57.398
  • BIKES, HE LOOKED AT THEPILLOWS THAT THE RACERS
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  • PILLOWS THAT THE RACERSWERE SLEEPING ON AT NIGHT,
  • 00:06:59.033 --> 00:07:00.501
  • WERE SLEEPING ON AT NIGHT,I MEAN, EVERY ASPECT OF
  • 00:07:00.501 --> 00:07:02.770
  • I MEAN, EVERY ASPECT OFWHAT WENT INTO THAT RACE,
  • 00:07:02.770 --> 00:07:04.205
  • WHAT WENT INTO THAT RACE,AND HE SAID, "IF WE CHANGE
  • 00:07:04.205 --> 00:07:07.175
  • AND HE SAID, "IF WE CHANGEEVERY LITTLE PART OF
  • 00:07:07.175 --> 00:07:08.376
  • EVERY LITTLE PART OFTHAT RACE 1%--
  • 00:07:08.376 --> 00:07:10.645
  • THAT RACE 1%--THAT'S CALLED A MARGINAL
  • 00:07:10.645 --> 00:07:12.547
  • THAT'S CALLED A MARGINALGAIN, 1%-- IN THE
  • 00:07:12.547 --> 00:07:13.714
  • GAIN, 1%-- IN THEEND, WE'RE GONNA WIN THAT RACE."
  • 00:07:13.714 --> 00:07:15.450
  • END, WE'RE GONNA WIN THAT RACE."AND WHILE THEY NEVER WON ANY--
  • 00:07:15.450 --> 00:07:16.717
  • AND WHILE THEY NEVER WON ANY--- ERIC: "AND WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:07:16.717 --> 00:07:17.585
  • - ERIC: "AND WE'RE GONNAKICK A LITTLE FROG HINEY."
  • 00:07:17.585 --> 00:07:18.619
  • KICK A LITTLE FROG HINEY."[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]- LINDA: YEAH.
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  • - LINDA: YEAH.- ERIC: NOW, THAT IS NOT
  • 00:07:20.555 --> 00:07:21.422
  • - ERIC: NOW, THAT IS NOTQUOTED, BUT WE KNOW THAT
  • 00:07:21.422 --> 00:07:22.390
  • QUOTED, BUT WE KNOW THATTHAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
  • 00:07:22.390 --> 00:07:22.990
  • THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.GO AHEAD.
  • 00:07:22.990 --> 00:07:23.958
  • GO AHEAD.- LINDA: RIGHT, SO THEY--
  • 00:07:23.958 --> 00:07:26.093
  • - LINDA: RIGHT, SO THEY--ACTUALLY, HE SAID IT
  • 00:07:26.093 --> 00:07:26.694
  • ACTUALLY, HE SAID ITSHOULD TAKE ABOUT FIVE
  • 00:07:26.694 --> 00:07:27.595
  • SHOULD TAKE ABOUT FIVEYEARS, AND THEY WON THE
  • 00:07:27.595 --> 00:07:28.796
  • YEARS, AND THEY WON THERACE IN THREE YEARS, AND
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  • RACE IN THREE YEARS, ANDTHEN THEY KEPT ON WINNING.
  • 00:07:29.464 --> 00:07:30.097
  • THEN THEY KEPT ON WINNING.- ERIC: ARE YOU SERIOUS?
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  • - ERIC: ARE YOU SERIOUS?- LINDA: YEAH, AND THEY
  • 00:07:30.731 --> 00:07:31.966
  • - LINDA: YEAH, AND THEYNEVER WON ONE OF THE LEGS
  • 00:07:31.966 --> 00:07:33.601
  • NEVER WON ONE OF THE LEGSOF THE 21 DAYS, BUT THEY
  • 00:07:33.601 --> 00:07:34.869
  • OF THE 21 DAYS, BUT THEYWON THE OVERALL RACE FROM
  • 00:07:34.869 --> 00:07:35.736
  • WON THE OVERALL RACE FROMMAKING THESE SMALL, TINY,
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  • MAKING THESE SMALL, TINY,MARGINAL GAINS.
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  • MARGINAL GAINS.NOW TAKE THAT CONCEPT TO PAIN.
  • 00:07:39.740 --> 00:07:41.676
  • NOW TAKE THAT CONCEPT TO PAIN.SO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN
  • 00:07:41.676 --> 00:07:43.411
  • SO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT INPAIN IS, IF YOU DO ALL
  • 00:07:43.411 --> 00:07:45.847
  • PAIN IS, IF YOU DO ALLTHESE SMALL, TINY CHANGES
  • 00:07:45.847 --> 00:07:46.948
  • THESE SMALL, TINY CHANGESIN THE WAY YOU THINK, THE
  • 00:07:46.948 --> 00:07:47.915
  • IN THE WAY YOU THINK, THEWAY YOU FEEL, THE WAY YOU
  • 00:07:47.915 --> 00:07:50.618
  • WAY YOU FEEL, THE WAY YOUADDRESS YOUR INTERPERSONAL
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  • ADDRESS YOUR INTERPERSONALRELATIONSHIPS, ALL THE
  • 00:07:51.252 --> 00:07:52.453
  • RELATIONSHIPS, ALL THETHINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:07:52.453 --> 00:07:53.621
  • THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNATALK ABOUT, IN THE END,
  • 00:07:53.621 --> 00:07:55.056
  • TALK ABOUT, IN THE END,YOU'RE GONNA LIVE BEYOND
  • 00:07:55.056 --> 00:07:55.656
  • YOU'RE GONNA LIVE BEYONDPAIN THAT YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:07:55.656 --> 00:07:56.557
  • PAIN THAT YOU'RE GONNAREDUCE YOUR PAIN, YOU'RE
  • 00:07:56.557 --> 00:07:57.859
  • REDUCE YOUR PAIN, YOU'REGONNA CALM DOWN THAT
  • 00:07:57.859 --> 00:07:58.960
  • GONNA CALM DOWN THATNERVOUS SYSTEM, WHICH HAS
  • 00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:00.228
  • NERVOUS SYSTEM, WHICH HASNOW BEEN HIGHLY SENSITIZED
  • 00:08:00.228 --> 00:08:01.896
  • NOW BEEN HIGHLY SENSITIZEDTO PAIN, AND YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:08:01.896 --> 00:08:03.397
  • TO PAIN, AND YOU'RE GONNACHANGE YOUR BRAIN AND YOUR
  • 00:08:03.397 --> 00:08:04.532
  • CHANGE YOUR BRAIN AND YOURPERCEPTION OF PAIN.
  • 00:08:04.532 --> 00:08:05.166
  • PERCEPTION OF PAIN.- ERIC: WHAT ARE SOME OF
  • 00:08:05.166 --> 00:08:06.267
  • - ERIC: WHAT ARE SOME OFTHESE LITTLE INCREMENTAL
  • 00:08:06.267 --> 00:08:06.901
  • THESE LITTLE INCREMENTALTHINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO?
  • 00:08:06.901 --> 00:08:08.069
  • THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO?- LINDA: SO WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:08:08.069 --> 00:08:08.736
  • - LINDA: SO WE'RE GONNATALK ABOUT HOW YOU
  • 00:08:08.736 --> 00:08:09.871
  • TALK ABOUT HOW YOUACTUALLY THINK ABOUT PAIN
  • 00:08:09.871 --> 00:08:10.838
  • ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT PAINAND HOW YOU APPROACH IT
  • 00:08:10.838 --> 00:08:13.774
  • AND HOW YOU APPROACH ITFROM A BELIEF'S POINT OF VIEW.
  • 00:08:13.774 --> 00:08:14.275
  • FROM A BELIEF'S POINT OF VIEW.SO IF YOU BELIEVE,
  • 00:08:14.275 --> 00:08:14.842
  • SO IF YOU BELIEVE,"I'M DISABLED,"
  • 00:08:14.842 --> 00:08:15.977
  • "I'M DISABLED,""I'M NEVER GONNA WORK AGAIN,"
  • 00:08:15.977 --> 00:08:16.878
  • "I'M NEVER GONNA WORK AGAIN,""I'M NEVER GONNA GET
  • 00:08:16.878 --> 00:08:17.512
  • "I'M NEVER GONNA GETOVER THIS,"
  • 00:08:17.512 --> 00:08:18.412
  • OVER THIS,""I'M NEVER GONNA HAVE
  • 00:08:18.412 --> 00:08:19.247
  • "I'M NEVER GONNA HAVETHE KIND OF LIFE I WANTED,"
  • 00:08:19.247 --> 00:08:20.948
  • THE KIND OF LIFE I WANTED,""WHAT'S WRONG WITH ALL OF THIS,
  • 00:08:20.948 --> 00:08:21.649
  • "WHAT'S WRONG WITH ALL OF THIS,AND WHY DID GOD
  • 00:08:21.649 --> 00:08:24.485
  • AND WHY DID GODDO THIS TO ME?"
  • 00:08:24.485 --> 00:08:25.086
  • DO THIS TO ME?"YOU START TO HAVE THESE
  • 00:08:25.086 --> 00:08:25.720
  • YOU START TO HAVE THESETYPE OF NEGATIVE BELIEFS.
  • 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:26.821
  • TYPE OF NEGATIVE BELIEFS.YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY MAKE
  • 00:08:26.821 --> 00:08:28.990
  • YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY MAKEYOUR PAIN WORSE.
  • 00:08:28.990 --> 00:08:30.691
  • YOUR PAIN WORSE.SO JUST CHANGING YOUR BELIEFS--
  • 00:08:30.691 --> 00:08:31.325
  • SO JUST CHANGING YOUR BELIEFS--- ERIC: SO HOW YOU THINK
  • 00:08:31.325 --> 00:08:32.460
  • - ERIC: SO HOW YOU THINKABOUT YOUR PAIN AND WHAT
  • 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:34.028
  • ABOUT YOUR PAIN AND WHATIT MEANS TO YOU WILL
  • 00:08:34.028 --> 00:08:35.796
  • - LINDA: YES, AND THE
  • 00:08:37.832 --> 00:08:38.366
  • - LINDA: YES, AND THETHOUGHTS ARE REALLY
  • 00:08:38.366 --> 00:08:39.200
  • THOUGHTS ARE REALLYIMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S
  • 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:39.901
  • IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'SSOMETHING CALLED
  • 00:08:39.901 --> 00:08:40.535
  • SOMETHING CALLED"CATASTROPHIC THOUGHTS,"
  • 00:08:40.535 --> 00:08:42.203
  • "CATASTROPHIC THOUGHTS,"WHERE YOU'RE THINKING,
  • 00:08:42.203 --> 00:08:42.970
  • WHERE YOU'RE THINKING,"OH, NO, MY LIFE IS OVER."
  • 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:43.771
  • "OH, NO, MY LIFE IS OVER."YOU REDUCE THOSE THOUGHTS.
  • 00:08:43.771 --> 00:08:44.539
  • YOU REDUCE THOSE THOUGHTS.YOU PUT THEM WITH
  • 00:08:44.539 --> 00:08:46.240
  • MORE RATIONAL,
  • 00:08:48.142 --> 00:08:48.743
  • MORE RATIONAL,LIKE, "MAYBE IT WON'T BE
  • 00:08:48.743 --> 00:08:49.343
  • LIKE, "MAYBE IT WON'T BEEXACTLY LIKE MY LIFE WAS
  • 00:08:49.343 --> 00:08:50.444
  • EXACTLY LIKE MY LIFE WASBEFORE, BUT THERE
  • 00:08:50.444 --> 00:08:51.445
  • BEFORE, BUT THERECERTAINLY ARE THINGS I CAN
  • 00:08:51.445 --> 00:08:52.146
  • CERTAINLY ARE THINGS I CANDO, AND I CAN BE FUNCTIONAL."
  • 00:08:52.146 --> 00:08:53.648
  • DO, AND I CAN BE FUNCTIONAL."THEN YOU WILL GET BETTER.
  • 00:08:53.648 --> 00:08:54.882
  • THEN YOU WILL GET BETTER.YOU'LL REDUCE THE AMOUNT
  • 00:08:54.882 --> 00:08:55.883
  • YOU'LL REDUCE THE AMOUNTOF PAIN IN YOUR BODY, JUST
  • 00:08:55.883 --> 00:08:56.984
  • OF PAIN IN YOUR BODY, JUSTBY CHANGING YOUR THOUGHTS.
  • 00:08:56.984 --> 00:08:57.618
  • BY CHANGING YOUR THOUGHTS.- ERIC: JUST BY CHANGING
  • 00:08:57.618 --> 00:08:58.486
  • - ERIC: JUST BY CHANGINGYOUR-- NOW, THAT SOUNDS
  • 00:08:58.486 --> 00:08:59.186
  • YOUR-- NOW, THAT SOUNDSCRAZY, EXCEPT I KNOW
  • 00:08:59.186 --> 00:09:00.288
  • CRAZY, EXCEPT I KNOWIT'S NOT.
  • 00:09:00.288 --> 00:09:02.089
  • IT'S NOT.SO THAT'S ONE OF THE
  • 00:09:02.089 --> 00:09:03.291
  • SO THAT'S ONE OF THEREASONS, LINDA MINTLE, I
  • 00:09:03.291 --> 00:09:03.891
  • REASONS, LINDA MINTLE, IWANTED TO HAVE YOU ON
  • 00:09:03.891 --> 00:09:04.859
  • WANTED TO HAVE YOU ONTHE PROGRAM.
  • 00:09:04.859 --> 00:09:07.061
  • THE PROGRAM.IT'S M-I-N-T-L-E.
  • 00:09:07.061 --> 00:09:07.895
  • IT'S M-I-N-T-L-E.- LINDA: AND IT SOUNDS
  • 00:09:07.895 --> 00:09:08.563
  • - LINDA: AND IT SOUNDSLIKE "MENTAL," DOESN'T IT?
  • 00:09:08.563 --> 00:09:08.930
  • LIKE "MENTAL," DOESN'T IT?[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:08.930 --> 00:09:09.564
  • [LAUGHTER]- ERIC: IT'S WHY I WANTED
  • 00:09:09.564 --> 00:09:10.164
  • - ERIC: IT'S WHY I WANTEDTO-- YEAH.
  • 00:09:10.164 --> 00:09:12.600
  • TO-- YEAH.- LINDA: "DR. MENTAL."
  • 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:13.234
  • - LINDA: "DR. MENTAL."- ERIC: BUT THE BOOK IS
  • 00:09:13.234 --> 00:09:13.801
  • - ERIC: BUT THE BOOK IS"LIVING BEYOND PAIN."
  • 00:09:13.801 --> 00:09:14.435
  • "LIVING BEYOND PAIN."WHEN WE GET BACK FROM THE
  • 00:09:14.435 --> 00:09:15.269
  • WHEN WE GET BACK FROM THEBREAK, WE'LL CONTINUE
  • 00:09:15.269 --> 00:09:16.237
  • BREAK, WE'LL CONTINUETHE CONVERSATION.
  • 00:09:16.237 --> 00:09:16.837
  • THE CONVERSATION.IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.
  • 00:09:16.837 --> 00:09:19.874
  • IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.DON'T GO AWAY.
  • 00:09:19.874 --> 00:09:24.000
  • DON'T GO AWAY.[MUSIC]
  • 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.811
  • [MUSIC][MUSIC]
  • 00:09:26.811 --> 00:09:27.412
  • [MUSIC]- ERIC: I'M TALKING TO
  • 00:09:27.412 --> 00:09:28.880
  • - ERIC: I'M TALKING TOLINDA MINTLE, PHD,
  • 00:09:28.880 --> 00:09:31.015
  • LINDA MINTLE, PHD,"LIVING BEYOND PAIN"
  • 00:09:31.015 --> 00:09:32.083
  • "LIVING BEYOND PAIN"IS THE BOOK.
  • 00:09:32.083 --> 00:09:32.817
  • IS THE BOOK.A LOT OF PEOPLE DEAL
  • 00:09:32.817 --> 00:09:33.751
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE DEALWITH PAIN.
  • 00:09:33.751 --> 00:09:34.586
  • WITH PAIN.LINDA, YOUR BOOK,
  • 00:09:34.586 --> 00:09:35.453
  • LINDA, YOUR BOOK,"LIVING BEYOND PAIN" IS
  • 00:09:35.453 --> 00:09:36.421
  • "LIVING BEYOND PAIN" IS"A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO
  • 00:09:36.421 --> 00:09:37.722
  • "A HOLISTIC APPROACH TOMANAGE PAIN AND GET YOUR
  • 00:09:37.722 --> 00:09:38.222
  • MANAGE PAIN AND GET YOURLIFE BACK."
  • 00:09:38.222 --> 00:09:38.890
  • LIFE BACK."WHAT DO YOU SAY TO
  • 00:09:38.890 --> 00:09:39.991
  • "LOOK, SOUNDS LIKE A LOT
  • 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:42.060
  • "LOOK, SOUNDS LIKE A LOTOF NONSENSE TO ME.
  • 00:09:42.060 --> 00:09:42.660
  • OF NONSENSE TO ME.PAIN IS PAIN, AND YOU'RE
  • 00:09:42.660 --> 00:09:43.294
  • PAIN IS PAIN, AND YOU'RETELLING ME MY THINKING IS
  • 00:09:43.294 --> 00:09:45.863
  • SOUNDS LIKE A PAIN IN THE NECK.
  • 00:09:47.165 --> 00:09:48.833
  • - LINDA: IT IS EASIER TO
  • 00:09:50.535 --> 00:09:51.235
  • - LINDA: IT IS EASIER TOTAKE A PILL, AND I WANNA--
  • 00:09:51.235 --> 00:09:52.003
  • TAKE A PILL, AND I WANNA--I DO WANNA SAY, ERIC,
  • 00:09:52.003 --> 00:09:53.171
  • I DO WANNA SAY, ERIC,BEFORE WE GO ON, THAT NOT
  • 00:09:53.171 --> 00:09:54.305
  • BEFORE WE GO ON, THAT NOTEVERYBODY THAT IS TAKING
  • 00:09:54.305 --> 00:09:55.540
  • EVERYBODY THAT IS TAKINGAN OPIOID FOR CHRONIC PAIN
  • 00:09:55.540 --> 00:09:57.642
  • SO WE WANNA BE REALLY
  • 00:09:58.876 --> 00:09:59.978
  • SO WE WANNA BE REALLYCAREFUL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
  • 00:09:59.978 --> 00:10:00.812
  • CAREFUL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEFACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
  • 00:10:00.812 --> 00:10:01.946
  • FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLETHAT ARE BEING MANAGED
  • 00:10:01.946 --> 00:10:02.947
  • THAT ARE BEING MANAGEDVERY WELL BY THEIR
  • 00:10:02.947 --> 00:10:05.383
  • VERY WELL BY THEIRPHYSICIANS ON PAIN.
  • 00:10:05.383 --> 00:10:05.917
  • PHYSICIANS ON PAIN.THE PROBLEM WITH THE
  • 00:10:05.917 --> 00:10:06.684
  • THE PROBLEM WITH THEOPIOIDS IS THAT THEY--
  • 00:10:06.684 --> 00:10:08.086
  • OPIOIDS IS THAT THEY--YOU BUILD A TOLERANCE.
  • 00:10:08.086 --> 00:10:09.454
  • YOU BUILD A TOLERANCE.YOU DO BECOME DEPENDENT
  • 00:10:09.454 --> 00:10:10.688
  • YOU DO BECOME DEPENDENTEVEN IF YOU'RE BEING
  • 00:10:10.688 --> 00:10:12.123
  • EVEN IF YOU'RE BEINGMANAGED APPROPRIATELY.
  • 00:10:12.123 --> 00:10:13.124
  • MANAGED APPROPRIATELY.YOU'RE GONNA WITHDRAW OUT
  • 00:10:13.124 --> 00:10:14.425
  • YOU'RE GONNA WITHDRAW OUTOF THAT IF YOU GO OFF OF
  • 00:10:14.425 --> 00:10:16.260
  • OF THAT IF YOU GO OFF OFIT AND TAPER DOWN.
  • 00:10:16.260 --> 00:10:17.395
  • IT AND TAPER DOWN.AND IT REALLY ISN'T THAT
  • 00:10:17.395 --> 00:10:19.497
  • AND IT REALLY ISN'T THATEFFECTIVE FOR CHRONIC PAIN.
  • 00:10:19.497 --> 00:10:20.498
  • EFFECTIVE FOR CHRONIC PAIN.IT DOESN'T GET AT THE ROOT
  • 00:10:20.498 --> 00:10:21.599
  • IT DOESN'T GET AT THE ROOTOF WHAT THE PAIN IS.
  • 00:10:21.599 --> 00:10:23.334
  • OF WHAT THE PAIN IS.IT GIVES YOU RELIEF WHICH IS
  • 00:10:23.334 --> 00:10:24.068
  • IT GIVES YOU RELIEF WHICH ISWHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.
  • 00:10:24.068 --> 00:10:25.103
  • WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET
  • 00:10:25.103 --> 00:10:26.237
  • THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO GETHIGH WHEN THEY'RE TAKING
  • 00:10:26.237 --> 00:10:26.771
  • HIGH WHEN THEY'RE TAKINGAN OPIOID.
  • 00:10:26.771 --> 00:10:27.839
  • AN OPIOID.THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET
  • 00:10:27.839 --> 00:10:29.207
  • THEY'RE LOOKING TO GETTHAT RELIEF, AND SO ALL OF
  • 00:10:29.207 --> 00:10:30.441
  • THAT RELIEF, AND SO ALL OFTHESE THINGS THAT WE'RE
  • 00:10:30.441 --> 00:10:31.509
  • THESE THINGS THAT WE'REGONNA TALK ABOUT IN TERMS
  • 00:10:31.509 --> 00:10:32.744
  • GONNA TALK ABOUT IN TERMSOF THE HELP OF CHRONIC PAIN,
  • 00:10:32.744 --> 00:10:33.978
  • OF THE HELP OF CHRONIC PAIN,YOU HAVE TO WORK AT A LOT
  • 00:10:33.978 --> 00:10:36.014
  • YOU HAVE TO WORK AT A LOTOF ASPECTS OF YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:10:36.014 --> 00:10:37.281
  • OF ASPECTS OF YOUR LIFE.LIKE, WINNING THE TOUR DE
  • 00:10:37.281 --> 00:10:39.584
  • LIKE, WINNING THE TOUR DEFRANCE, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE
  • 00:10:39.584 --> 00:10:40.318
  • FRANCE, YOU HAVE TO CHANGEA LOT OF THINGS IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:10:40.318 --> 00:10:41.419
  • A LOT OF THINGS IN YOUR LIFE.THE GOAL ISN'T ALWAYS TO
  • 00:10:41.419 --> 00:10:42.353
  • THE GOAL ISN'T ALWAYS TOELIMINATE PAIN BECAUSE WE
  • 00:10:42.353 --> 00:10:43.821
  • ELIMINATE PAIN BECAUSE WECAN'T ALWAYS DO THAT, BUT
  • 00:10:43.821 --> 00:10:45.189
  • CAN'T ALWAYS DO THAT, BUTTHE GOAL IS TO MAKE YOU
  • 00:10:45.189 --> 00:10:46.057
  • THE GOAL IS TO MAKE YOUMORE FUNCTIONAL AND TO
  • 00:10:46.057 --> 00:10:48.159
  • MORE FUNCTIONAL AND TOHAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
  • 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:48.793
  • HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.- ERIC: IS THERE A FAITH
  • 00:10:48.793 --> 00:10:49.827
  • - ERIC: IS THERE A FAITHCOMPONENT TO THIS?
  • 00:10:49.827 --> 00:10:50.728
  • COMPONENT TO THIS?AT SOME POINT, I KNOW YOU
  • 00:10:50.728 --> 00:10:51.729
  • AT SOME POINT, I KNOW YOUDO TOUCH ON THAT.
  • 00:10:51.729 --> 00:10:52.864
  • DO TOUCH ON THAT.- LINDA: WE DO, BECAUSE
  • 00:10:52.864 --> 00:10:54.132
  • - LINDA: WE DO, BECAUSETHERE IS, AGAIN,
  • 00:10:54.132 --> 00:10:55.133
  • THERE IS, AGAIN,THE BRAIN.
  • 00:10:55.133 --> 00:10:55.833
  • THE BRAIN.HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT PAIN?
  • 00:10:55.833 --> 00:10:57.235
  • HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT PAIN?THERE'S A CHAPTER ON THE
  • 00:10:57.235 --> 00:10:58.636
  • THERE'S A CHAPTER ON THEMEANING OF SUFFERING,
  • 00:10:58.636 --> 00:10:59.704
  • MEANING OF SUFFERING,THE MEANING OF PAIN.
  • 00:10:59.704 --> 00:11:00.738
  • THE MEANING OF PAIN.WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE
  • 00:11:00.738 --> 00:11:02.106
  • WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BELIVING THIS SIDE OF,
  • 00:11:02.106 --> 00:11:04.242
  • LIVING THIS SIDE OF,YOU KNOW, THE GARDEN?
  • 00:11:04.242 --> 00:11:05.543
  • YOU KNOW, THE GARDEN?WE'RE ON THE FALL SIDE.
  • 00:11:05.543 --> 00:11:06.377
  • WE'RE ON THE FALL SIDE.THERE'S BROKENNESS.
  • 00:11:06.377 --> 00:11:07.545
  • THERE'S BROKENNESS.THIS IS A CHRONIC BRAIN
  • 00:11:07.545 --> 00:11:08.946
  • THIS IS A CHRONIC BRAINDISEASE THAT WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:11:08.946 --> 00:11:10.615
  • DISEASE THAT WE'RE TALKINGABOUT, A PROCESS IN THE
  • 00:11:10.615 --> 00:11:11.482
  • ABOUT, A PROCESS IN THEBODY THAT GETS CHANGED BY
  • 00:11:11.482 --> 00:11:13.484
  • BODY THAT GETS CHANGED BYNEUROADAPTATION, SO IT'S
  • 00:11:13.484 --> 00:11:15.119
  • NEUROADAPTATION, SO IT'SLIKE DIABETES OR SOMETHING
  • 00:11:15.119 --> 00:11:16.354
  • LIKE DIABETES OR SOMETHINGELSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.
  • 00:11:16.354 --> 00:11:17.588
  • ELSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO
  • 00:11:17.588 --> 00:11:18.623
  • YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TODEAL WITH IT AND MANAGE IT.
  • 00:11:18.623 --> 00:11:20.191
  • DEAL WITH IT AND MANAGE IT.AND IF YOU MAKE MEANING
  • 00:11:20.191 --> 00:11:21.826
  • AND IF YOU MAKE MEANINGOUT OF THAT AND YOU SAY,
  • 00:11:21.826 --> 00:11:23.494
  • OUT OF THAT AND YOU SAY,"OKAY, I AM IN PAIN,"
  • 00:11:23.494 --> 00:11:24.262
  • "OKAY, I AM IN PAIN,""SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAS
  • 00:11:24.262 --> 00:11:24.929
  • "SOMETHING TERRIBLE HASHAPPENED TO ME,"
  • 00:11:24.929 --> 00:11:25.797
  • HAPPENED TO ME,""MY BODY ISN'T FUNCTIONING
  • 00:11:25.797 --> 00:11:26.664
  • "MY BODY ISN'T FUNCTIONINGTHE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED
  • 00:11:26.664 --> 00:11:27.932
  • THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSEDTO FUNCTION,"
  • 00:11:27.932 --> 00:11:29.033
  • TO FUNCTION,"HOW DO I THINK ABOUT THAT?
  • 00:11:29.033 --> 00:11:30.468
  • HOW DO I THINK ABOUT THAT?AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT
  • 00:11:30.468 --> 00:11:31.803
  • AND IT'S INTERESTING THATPEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH
  • 00:11:31.803 --> 00:11:33.671
  • PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGHPAIN USUALLY HAVE A DEEPER
  • 00:11:33.671 --> 00:11:35.106
  • PAIN USUALLY HAVE A DEEPERWALK WITH GOD.
  • 00:11:35.106 --> 00:11:36.074
  • WALK WITH GOD.THEY USUALLY RESET THEIR
  • 00:11:36.074 --> 00:11:37.108
  • THEY USUALLY RESET THEIRPRIORITIES.
  • 00:11:37.108 --> 00:11:38.276
  • PRIORITIES.THEY REALLY-- IF YOU CAN
  • 00:11:38.276 --> 00:11:39.477
  • THEY REALLY-- IF YOU CANMAKE SOME MEANING OUT OF
  • 00:11:39.477 --> 00:11:40.344
  • MAKE SOME MEANING OUT OFSUFFERING, IT GIVES YOU
  • 00:11:40.344 --> 00:11:41.979
  • SUFFERING, IT GIVES YOUTREMENDOUS EMPATHY.
  • 00:11:41.979 --> 00:11:42.714
  • TREMENDOUS EMPATHY.IT GIVES YOU COMPASSION
  • 00:11:42.714 --> 00:11:43.214
  • IT GIVES YOU COMPASSIONFOR OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:11:43.214 --> 00:11:43.848
  • FOR OTHER PEOPLE.- ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY,
  • 00:11:43.848 --> 00:11:44.849
  • - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY,THIS IS WHAT'S-- THIS IS
  • 00:11:44.849 --> 00:11:46.184
  • THIS IS WHAT'S-- THIS ISTHE PARADOX OF HUMAN LIFE--
  • 00:11:46.184 --> 00:11:46.918
  • THE PARADOX OF HUMAN LIFE--RIGHT?
  • 00:11:46.918 --> 00:11:49.120
  • RIGHT?-- IS THAT SUFFERING,
  • 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:49.954
  • -- IS THAT SUFFERING,EVERYBODY WANTS TO AVOID
  • 00:11:49.954 --> 00:11:50.788
  • EVERYBODY WANTS TO AVOIDSUFFERING, AND THERE'S
  • 00:11:50.788 --> 00:11:51.823
  • SUFFERING, AND THERE'STREMENDOUS WISDOM.
  • 00:11:51.823 --> 00:11:53.057
  • TREMENDOUS WISDOM.I MEAN, ANYBODY WHO
  • 00:11:53.057 --> 00:11:54.125
  • I MEAN, ANYBODY WHODOESN'T WANNA AVOID
  • 00:11:54.125 --> 00:11:55.193
  • DOESN'T WANNA AVOIDSUFFERING IS FOOLISH.
  • 00:11:55.193 --> 00:11:55.993
  • SUFFERING IS FOOLISH.OF COURSE, YOU WANNA AVOID
  • 00:11:55.993 --> 00:11:56.461
  • OF COURSE, YOU WANNA AVOIDSUFFERING.
  • 00:11:56.461 --> 00:11:57.662
  • SUFFERING.ON THE OTHER HAND,
  • 00:11:57.662 --> 00:11:59.097
  • ON THE OTHER HAND,SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T AVOID
  • 00:11:59.097 --> 00:11:59.697
  • SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T AVOIDSUFFERING, AND IF YOU
  • 00:11:59.697 --> 00:12:03.501
  • SUFFERING, AND IF YOULIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
  • 00:12:03.501 --> 00:12:04.435
  • LIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVESUFFERING, AND THEN YOU
  • 00:12:04.435 --> 00:12:07.472
  • SUFFERING, AND THEN YOUREALIZE-- THIS IS THE
  • 00:12:07.472 --> 00:12:09.173
  • REALIZE-- THIS IS THEPARADOX-- THAT SUFFERING
  • 00:12:09.173 --> 00:12:10.608
  • PARADOX-- THAT SUFFERINGGIVES YOU WISDOM.
  • 00:12:10.608 --> 00:12:12.076
  • GIVES YOU WISDOM.IT CAN GIVE YOU WISDOM,
  • 00:12:12.076 --> 00:12:13.044
  • IT CAN GIVE YOU WISDOM,AND IT CAN GIVE YOU A
  • 00:12:13.044 --> 00:12:13.745
  • AND IT CAN GIVE YOU APERSPECTIVE THAT YOU
  • 00:12:13.745 --> 00:12:16.314
  • PERSPECTIVE THAT YOUWOULDN'T GET WITHOUT
  • 00:12:16.314 --> 00:12:17.815
  • WOULDN'T GET WITHOUTSUFFERING, AND I HAVE
  • 00:12:17.815 --> 00:12:19.283
  • SUFFERING, AND I HAVEDEALT WITH CHRONIC FATIGUE
  • 00:12:19.283 --> 00:12:20.384
  • DEALT WITH CHRONIC FATIGUEAND ALL KIND-- DEPRESSION
  • 00:12:20.384 --> 00:12:21.753
  • AND ALL KIND-- DEPRESSIONAND STUFF FOR 30 YEARS,
  • 00:12:21.753 --> 00:12:23.688
  • AND STUFF FOR 30 YEARS,MYSELF, AND THERE'S NO
  • 00:12:23.688 --> 00:12:24.722
  • MYSELF, AND THERE'S NODOUBT ABOUT IT.
  • 00:12:24.722 --> 00:12:25.723
  • DOUBT ABOUT IT.YOU WOULD NEVER CHOOSE IT.
  • 00:12:25.723 --> 00:12:26.758
  • YOU WOULD NEVER CHOOSE IT.YOU'D NEVER CHOOSE IT, BUT
  • 00:12:26.758 --> 00:12:28.626
  • YOU'D NEVER CHOOSE IT, BUTIT GIVES YOU A CLARITY
  • 00:12:28.626 --> 00:12:30.394
  • IT GIVES YOU A CLARITYTHAT, IF EVERYTHING'S
  • 00:12:30.394 --> 00:12:31.829
  • THAT, IF EVERYTHING'SGOING GREAT, IN A WAY,
  • 00:12:31.829 --> 00:12:32.830
  • GOING GREAT, IN A WAY,THAT'S GONNA LEAD YOU TO
  • 00:12:32.830 --> 00:12:34.599
  • THAT'S GONNA LEAD YOU TOBE FOOLISH.
  • 00:12:34.599 --> 00:12:35.733
  • BE FOOLISH.IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHY KIDS
  • 00:12:35.733 --> 00:12:36.901
  • IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHY KIDSARE FOOLISH BECAUSE THEY
  • 00:12:36.901 --> 00:12:37.969
  • ARE FOOLISH BECAUSE THEYHAVEN'T SUFFERED, AND IF
  • 00:12:37.969 --> 00:12:39.403
  • HAVEN'T SUFFERED, AND IFYOU'VE SUFFERED AND DEALT
  • 00:12:39.403 --> 00:12:42.373
  • YOU'VE SUFFERED AND DEALTWITH ANYTHING CRUSHING,
  • 00:12:42.373 --> 00:12:43.741
  • WITH ANYTHING CRUSHING,DIFFICULTIES, OR WHATEVER,
  • 00:12:43.741 --> 00:12:45.676
  • DIFFICULTIES, OR WHATEVER,SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN THAT
  • 00:12:45.676 --> 00:12:47.311
  • SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN THATIS BEAUTIFUL, AND YOU HAVE
  • 00:12:47.311 --> 00:12:48.379
  • IS BEAUTIFUL, AND YOU HAVETO BE AWARE OF THAT.
  • 00:12:48.379 --> 00:12:49.614
  • TO BE AWARE OF THAT.- LINDA: YEAH, AND I WENT
  • 00:12:49.614 --> 00:12:50.314
  • - LINDA: YEAH, AND I WENTTHROUGH A PERIOD OF MY
  • 00:12:50.314 --> 00:12:51.616
  • THROUGH A PERIOD OF MYLIFE ABOUT NINE MONTHS,
  • 00:12:51.616 --> 00:12:53.351
  • LIFE ABOUT NINE MONTHS,ALMOST A YEAR, OF REALLY
  • 00:12:53.351 --> 00:12:55.086
  • ALMOST A YEAR, OF REALLYBAD PAIN FROM AN ICE
  • 00:12:55.086 --> 00:12:56.287
  • BAD PAIN FROM AN ICESKATING ACCIDENT THAT I HAD.
  • 00:12:56.287 --> 00:12:57.588
  • SKATING ACCIDENT THAT I HAD.I THOUGHT I WAS 16 AGAIN,
  • 00:12:57.588 --> 00:12:59.824
  • I THOUGHT I WAS 16 AGAIN,AND I DID A "FLYING CAMEL,"
  • 00:12:59.824 --> 00:13:00.391
  • AND I DID A "FLYING CAMEL,"AND I CAME DOWN IN THE
  • 00:13:00.391 --> 00:13:02.426
  • AND I CAME DOWN IN THEWRONG WAY, AND IT WAS HORRIFIC.
  • 00:13:02.426 --> 00:13:03.060
  • WRONG WAY, AND IT WAS HORRIFIC.- ERIC: DID YOU USED TO
  • 00:13:03.060 --> 00:13:05.429
  • - ERIC: DID YOU USED TOBE, LIKE, A GREAT-- I
  • 00:13:05.429 --> 00:13:07.064
  • BE, LIKE, A GREAT-- IMEAN, IF YOU--
  • 00:13:07.064 --> 00:13:07.632
  • MEAN, IF YOU--- LINDA: I GREW UP IN
  • 00:13:07.632 --> 00:13:07.999
  • - LINDA: I GREW UP INTHE NORTH,
  • 00:13:07.999 --> 00:13:08.566
  • THE NORTH,YOU KNOW.
  • 00:13:08.566 --> 00:13:09.233
  • YOU KNOW.- ERIC: ANYBODY WHO REFERS
  • 00:13:09.233 --> 00:13:09.867
  • - ERIC: ANYBODY WHO REFERSTO DOING A "FLYING CAMEL,"
  • 00:13:09.867 --> 00:13:10.501
  • TO DOING A "FLYING CAMEL,"SOMETHING TELLS ME YOU'RE
  • 00:13:10.501 --> 00:13:11.502
  • SOMETHING TELLS ME YOU'RENOT AN AVERAGE SKATER.
  • 00:13:11.502 --> 00:13:12.003
  • NOT AN AVERAGE SKATER.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:12.003 --> 00:13:12.637
  • [LAUGHTER]- LINDA: WELL, I GREW UP
  • 00:13:12.637 --> 00:13:13.070
  • - LINDA: WELL, I GREW UPIN THE NORTH.
  • 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:13.704
  • IN THE NORTH.I WAS ON SKATES WHEN I WAS
  • 00:13:13.704 --> 00:13:14.338
  • I WAS ON SKATES WHEN I WASFOUR YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:14.338 --> 00:13:14.939
  • FOUR YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW,EVERY DAY AFTER SCHOOL.
  • 00:13:14.939 --> 00:13:15.573
  • EVERY DAY AFTER SCHOOL.- ERIC: DID YOUR PARENTS
  • 00:13:15.573 --> 00:13:16.040
  • - ERIC: DID YOUR PARENTSKNOW ABOUT THIS?
  • 00:13:16.040 --> 00:13:16.474
  • KNOW ABOUT THIS?[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:16.474 --> 00:13:17.074
  • [LAUGHTER]- LINDA: YES, THEY DID,
  • 00:13:17.074 --> 00:13:17.542
  • - LINDA: YES, THEY DID,AND THEY GAVE ME
  • 00:13:17.542 --> 00:13:18.009
  • AND THEY GAVE MEPERMISSION.
  • 00:13:18.009 --> 00:13:18.509
  • PERMISSION.I WAS A GOOD KID.
  • 00:13:18.509 --> 00:13:20.444
  • I WAS A GOOD KID.BUT I FELL, AND I HAD THIS
  • 00:13:20.444 --> 00:13:21.612
  • BUT I FELL, AND I HAD THISHORRIBLE, HORRIBLE BACK PAIN.
  • 00:13:21.612 --> 00:13:23.481
  • HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE BACK PAIN.SO I KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN
  • 00:13:23.481 --> 00:13:24.448
  • SO I KNOW, WHEN I WAS INTHE MIDDLE OF THAT PROBLEM,
  • 00:13:24.448 --> 00:13:27.718
  • THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROBLEM,I WOULD'VE DONE ANYTHING,
  • 00:13:27.718 --> 00:13:28.686
  • I WOULD'VE DONE ANYTHING,I'M TELLING YOU,
  • 00:13:28.686 --> 00:13:29.353
  • I'M TELLING YOU,ANYTHING TO GET RELIEF
  • 00:13:29.353 --> 00:13:29.854
  • ANYTHING TO GET RELIEFFROM THE PAIN.
  • 00:13:29.854 --> 00:13:30.755
  • FROM THE PAIN.THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOW
  • 00:13:30.755 --> 00:13:31.489
  • THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOWWHAT IT WAS ABOUT.
  • 00:13:31.489 --> 00:13:32.323
  • WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.IT WENT ON AND ON, AND ON
  • 00:13:32.323 --> 00:13:33.357
  • IT WENT ON AND ON, AND ONFOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
  • 00:13:33.357 --> 00:13:34.792
  • FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.I TRIED ACUPUNCTURE, I
  • 00:13:34.792 --> 00:13:36.260
  • I TRIED ACUPUNCTURE, ITRIED EVERYTHING THAT I
  • 00:13:36.260 --> 00:13:36.761
  • TRIED EVERYTHING THAT ICOULD THINK OF.
  • 00:13:36.761 --> 00:13:37.829
  • COULD THINK OF.FORTUNATELY, FOR ME, WHEN
  • 00:13:37.829 --> 00:13:39.363
  • FORTUNATELY, FOR ME, WHENI TRIED THE NARCOTICS THAT
  • 00:13:39.363 --> 00:13:40.464
  • I TRIED THE NARCOTICS THATI WAS GIVEN INITIALLY,
  • 00:13:40.464 --> 00:13:42.233
  • I WAS GIVEN INITIALLY,I HAD A HORRIBLE REACTION
  • 00:13:42.233 --> 00:13:42.733
  • I HAD A HORRIBLE REACTIONTO 'EM.
  • 00:13:42.733 --> 00:13:43.801
  • TO 'EM.I CAN'T TOLERATE THOSE
  • 00:13:43.801 --> 00:13:44.535
  • I CAN'T TOLERATE THOSEMEDS AT ALL, OR I COULD
  • 00:13:44.535 --> 00:13:45.937
  • MEDS AT ALL, OR I COULDSEE WHERE I COULD EASILY
  • 00:13:45.937 --> 00:13:47.104
  • SEE WHERE I COULD EASILYHAVE BEEN DEPENDENT ON
  • 00:13:47.104 --> 00:13:48.840
  • HAVE BEEN DEPENDENT ONTHEM BECAUSE YOU WANT TO
  • 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:49.807
  • THEM BECAUSE YOU WANT TODO ANYTHING YOU CAN TO
  • 00:13:49.807 --> 00:13:50.708
  • DO ANYTHING YOU CAN TOMAKE THAT PAIN STOP, SO I
  • 00:13:50.708 --> 00:13:52.610
  • MAKE THAT PAIN STOP, SO IHAVE TREMENDOUS,
  • 00:13:52.610 --> 00:13:54.011
  • HAVE TREMENDOUS,TREMENDOUS COMPASSION FOR
  • 00:13:54.011 --> 00:13:54.745
  • TREMENDOUS COMPASSION FORPEOPLE GOING THROUGH
  • 00:13:54.745 --> 00:13:55.546
  • PEOPLE GOING THROUGHCHRONIC PAIN BECAUSE I
  • 00:13:55.546 --> 00:13:57.315
  • CHRONIC PAIN BECAUSE ITHOUGHT IT WAS WORSE THAN
  • 00:13:57.315 --> 00:13:58.015
  • THOUGHT IT WAS WORSE THANACTUALLY GOING THROUGH
  • 00:13:58.015 --> 00:13:59.417
  • ACTUALLY GOING THROUGHCHILDBIRTH.
  • 00:13:59.417 --> 00:14:01.152
  • I REMEMBER JUST CRYING OUT
  • 00:14:03.721 --> 00:14:04.522
  • I REMEMBER JUST CRYING OUTTO GOD ALL THE TIME DURING
  • 00:14:04.522 --> 00:14:06.657
  • TO GOD ALL THE TIME DURINGTHAT, BEING SO DEPENDENT,
  • 00:14:06.657 --> 00:14:07.458
  • THAT, BEING SO DEPENDENT,AND SORT OF REEVALUATING
  • 00:14:07.458 --> 00:14:08.993
  • AND SORT OF REEVALUATINGMY LIFE AND FIGURING OUT
  • 00:14:08.993 --> 00:14:09.660
  • MY LIFE AND FIGURING OUTWHAT-- HOW DO I THINK
  • 00:14:09.660 --> 00:14:11.529
  • WHAT-- HOW DO I THINKABOUT THIS?
  • 00:14:11.529 --> 00:14:14.565
  • I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST, AND I
  • 00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:16.601
  • I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST, AND ILOVE VIKTOR FRANKL.
  • 00:14:16.601 --> 00:14:17.602
  • LOVE VIKTOR FRANKL.I REMEMBER READING ABOUT
  • 00:14:17.602 --> 00:14:18.135
  • I REMEMBER READING ABOUTHIS REACTION, AND I
  • 00:14:18.135 --> 00:14:19.871
  • HIS REACTION, AND IREMEMBER HIM SAYING,
  • 00:14:19.871 --> 00:14:20.605
  • REMEMBER HIM SAYING,"WE CAN'T ALWAYS CHOOSE OUR
  • 00:14:20.605 --> 00:14:21.839
  • "WE CAN'T ALWAYS CHOOSE OURSUFFERING, BUT WE CAN
  • 00:14:21.839 --> 00:14:22.506
  • SUFFERING, BUT WE CANCHOOSE OUR ATTITUDE TOWARD
  • 00:14:22.506 --> 00:14:24.775
  • CHOOSE OUR ATTITUDE TOWARDOUR SUFFERING."
  • 00:14:24.775 --> 00:14:26.544
  • OUR SUFFERING."AND SO, WHEN YOU LOOK
  • 00:14:26.544 --> 00:14:27.678
  • AND SO, WHEN YOU LOOKAT WHAT WORKS WITH
  • 00:14:27.678 --> 00:14:28.212
  • AT WHAT WORKS WITHCHRONIC PAIN, A
  • 00:14:28.212 --> 00:14:29.547
  • CHRONIC PAIN, ALOT OF IT IS MEANING,
  • 00:14:29.547 --> 00:14:31.649
  • LOT OF IT IS MEANING,ATTITUDE, BELIEFS, EVEN
  • 00:14:31.649 --> 00:14:33.317
  • ATTITUDE, BELIEFS, EVENMANAGING OUR EMOTIONS
  • 00:14:33.317 --> 00:14:34.652
  • MANAGING OUR EMOTIONSTHROUGH THAT PAIN SO THAT
  • 00:14:34.652 --> 00:14:35.753
  • THROUGH THAT PAIN SO THATOUR EMOTIONS DON'T GET THE
  • 00:14:35.753 --> 00:14:36.888
  • OUR EMOTIONS DON'T GET THEBEST OF US BECAUSE, IF YOU
  • 00:14:36.888 --> 00:14:40.491
  • BEST OF US BECAUSE, IF YOUARE VERY DEPRESSED--
  • 00:14:40.491 --> 00:14:41.125
  • ARE VERY DEPRESSED--AND THAT IS VERY COMMON--
  • 00:14:41.125 --> 00:14:42.059
  • AND THAT IS VERY COMMON--IT'S WHAT WE CALL "COMORBID"
  • 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:42.860
  • IT'S WHAT WE CALL "COMORBID"WITH CHRONIC PAIN.
  • 00:14:42.860 --> 00:14:44.595
  • WITH CHRONIC PAIN.IT HAPPENS.
  • 00:14:44.595 --> 00:14:45.229
  • IT HAPPENS.EITHER YOU GET DEPRESSED
  • 00:14:45.229 --> 00:14:46.030
  • EITHER YOU GET DEPRESSEDBEFORE AND HAVE PAIN, OR
  • 00:14:46.030 --> 00:14:46.998
  • BEFORE AND HAVE PAIN, ORYOU HAVE PAIN AND IT
  • 00:14:46.998 --> 00:14:47.899
  • YOU HAVE PAIN AND ITCREATES DEPRESSION, THAT,
  • 00:14:47.899 --> 00:14:49.600
  • CREATES DEPRESSION, THAT,IF YOU DON'T MANAGE THAT
  • 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:50.301
  • IF YOU DON'T MANAGE THATDEPRESSION, YOUR PAIN IS
  • 00:14:50.301 --> 00:14:51.802
  • DEPRESSION, YOUR PAIN ISGONNA BE WORSE BECAUSE
  • 00:14:51.802 --> 00:14:54.238
  • GONNA BE WORSE BECAUSEPAIN AND EMOTIONS SHARE
  • 00:14:54.238 --> 00:14:56.374
  • PAIN AND EMOTIONS SHARETHE SAME REAL ESTATE IN
  • 00:14:56.374 --> 00:14:57.275
  • THE SAME REAL ESTATE INTHE BRAIN, SO THEY HAVE
  • 00:14:57.275 --> 00:14:58.409
  • THE BRAIN, SO THEY HAVETHE SAME REAL ESTATE.
  • 00:14:58.409 --> 00:14:58.943
  • THE SAME REAL ESTATE.THEY'RE IN THE SAME
  • 00:14:58.943 --> 00:15:00.278
  • THEY'RE IN THE SAMEPATHWAYS.
  • 00:15:00.278 --> 00:15:00.912
  • PATHWAYS.SO WHEN YOUR EMOTIONS ARE
  • 00:15:00.912 --> 00:15:02.146
  • SO WHEN YOUR EMOTIONS AREOUT OF WHACK WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:15:02.146 --> 00:15:03.814
  • OUT OF WHACK WHEN YOU'REFEARFUL, WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:15:03.814 --> 00:15:04.415
  • FEARFUL, WHEN YOU'REANXIOUS, WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:15:04.415 --> 00:15:05.449
  • ANXIOUS, WHEN YOU'REDEPRESSED-- AND THOSE ARE
  • 00:15:05.449 --> 00:15:07.151
  • DEPRESSED-- AND THOSE AREEASY EMOTIONS TO HAVE WHEN
  • 00:15:07.151 --> 00:15:07.919
  • EASY EMOTIONS TO HAVE WHENYOU HAVE CHRONIC PAIN, BUT
  • 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:08.920
  • YOU HAVE CHRONIC PAIN, BUTIF YOU DON'T MANAGE THEM
  • 00:15:08.920 --> 00:15:09.654
  • IF YOU DON'T MANAGE THEMWELL, IT'S GONNA MAKE YOUR
  • 00:15:09.654 --> 00:15:11.589
  • WELL, IT'S GONNA MAKE YOURPAIN WORSE.
  • 00:15:11.589 --> 00:15:12.623
  • PAIN WORSE.- ERIC: SO WHO DID YOU
  • 00:15:12.623 --> 00:15:13.257
  • - ERIC: SO WHO DID YOUWRITE THE BOOK FOR,
  • 00:15:13.257 --> 00:15:14.125
  • WRITE THE BOOK FOR,"LIVING BEYOND PAIN"?
  • 00:15:14.125 --> 00:15:14.859
  • "LIVING BEYOND PAIN"?THIS IS NOT FOR OTHER DOCTORS.
  • 00:15:14.859 --> 00:15:16.360
  • THIS IS NOT FOR OTHER DOCTORS.- LINDA: NO, IT'S REALLY
  • 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:17.295
  • - LINDA: NO, IT'S REALLYFOR ANYBODY WHO'S DEALING
  • 00:15:17.295 --> 00:15:18.429
  • FOR ANYBODY WHO'S DEALINGWITH CHRONIC PAIN, AND
  • 00:15:18.429 --> 00:15:19.230
  • WITH CHRONIC PAIN, ANDWHEN WE LOOKED AT THE
  • 00:15:19.230 --> 00:15:20.131
  • WHEN WE LOOKED AT THENUMBERS, WHICH WE STARTED
  • 00:15:20.131 --> 00:15:21.332
  • NUMBERS, WHICH WE STARTEDWITH, THAT 100 MILLION
  • 00:15:21.332 --> 00:15:22.800
  • WITH, THAT 100 MILLIONPEOPLE, WE THOUGHT THERE
  • 00:15:22.800 --> 00:15:24.335
  • PEOPLE, WE THOUGHT THEREARE GONNA BE EVEN MORE
  • 00:15:24.335 --> 00:15:25.836
  • ARE GONNA BE EVEN MOREPEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA FEEL
  • 00:15:25.836 --> 00:15:26.837
  • PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA FEELDESPERATE BECAUSE, NOW
  • 00:15:26.837 --> 00:15:28.172
  • DESPERATE BECAUSE, NOWTHAT THE REGULATIONS WITH
  • 00:15:28.172 --> 00:15:29.407
  • THAT THE REGULATIONS WITHTHE OPIOIDS ARE BETTER,
  • 00:15:29.407 --> 00:15:30.975
  • THE OPIOIDS ARE BETTER,THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET
  • 00:15:30.975 --> 00:15:32.576
  • THEY'RE NOT GONNA GETTHOSE MEDS LONG-TERM LIKE
  • 00:15:32.576 --> 00:15:33.077
  • THOSE MEDS LONG-TERM LIKETHEY USED TO.
  • 00:15:33.077 --> 00:15:34.578
  • THEY USED TO.- ERIC: PEOPLE ARE IN SUCH
  • 00:15:34.578 --> 00:15:35.346
  • - ERIC: PEOPLE ARE IN SUCHCHRONIC PAIN THAT,
  • 00:15:35.346 --> 00:15:36.881
  • CHRONIC PAIN THAT,BECAUSE OF THE
  • 00:15:36.881 --> 00:15:37.748
  • BECAUSE OF THEOPIOID REGULATIONS,
  • 00:15:37.748 --> 00:15:38.950
  • OPIOID REGULATIONS,WHICH ARE MAINLY
  • 00:15:38.950 --> 00:15:39.450
  • WHICH ARE MAINLYA GOOD THING,
  • 00:15:39.450 --> 00:15:40.484
  • A GOOD THING,THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
  • 00:15:40.484 --> 00:15:41.485
  • THAT THEY'RE GOING TOGET HEROIN.
  • 00:15:41.485 --> 00:15:42.353
  • GET HEROIN.IT'S THAT BAD.
  • 00:15:42.353 --> 00:15:43.587
  • IT'S THAT BAD.SO WE JUST WANNA SAY,
  • 00:15:43.587 --> 00:15:44.555
  • SO WE JUST WANNA SAY,FOLKS, THERE'S NO
  • 00:15:44.555 --> 00:15:45.189
  • FOLKS, THERE'S NOJUDGMENT HERE.
  • 00:15:45.189 --> 00:15:46.057
  • JUDGMENT HERE.WHEN YOU ARE SUFFERING,
  • 00:15:46.057 --> 00:15:47.325
  • WHEN YOU ARE SUFFERING,YOU'RE SUFFERING.
  • 00:15:47.325 --> 00:15:48.059
  • YOU'RE SUFFERING.- LINDA: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:48.926
  • - LINDA: THAT'S RIGHT.YOU WANT RELIEF.
  • 00:15:48.926 --> 00:15:49.961
  • YOU WANT RELIEF.- ERIC: AND I KNOW THAT
  • 00:15:49.961 --> 00:15:51.295
  • - ERIC: AND I KNOW THATGOD DOESN'T WANT US TO
  • 00:15:51.295 --> 00:15:53.497
  • GOD DOESN'T WANT US TOJUST TWIST IN THE WIND AND
  • 00:15:53.497 --> 00:15:54.432
  • JUST TWIST IN THE WIND ANDTO SUFFER, SO THANK YOU
  • 00:15:54.432 --> 00:15:55.499
  • TO SUFFER, SO THANK YOUFOR WRITING THIS BOOK
  • 00:15:55.499 --> 00:15:57.034
  • FOR WRITING THIS BOOKBECAUSE I CAN ONLY IMAGINE
  • 00:15:57.034 --> 00:15:59.370
  • BECAUSE I CAN ONLY IMAGINEHOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:15:59.370 --> 00:16:00.004
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE AREDEALING WITH THIS.
  • 00:16:00.004 --> 00:16:00.604
  • DEALING WITH THIS.SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
  • 00:16:00.604 --> 00:16:01.906
  • SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THETHINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:16:01.906 --> 00:16:02.506
  • THINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUTIN THE BOOK IN TERMS OF
  • 00:16:02.506 --> 00:16:04.208
  • IN THE BOOK IN TERMS OFDEALING WITH PAIN?
  • 00:16:04.208 --> 00:16:05.609
  • DEALING WITH PAIN?- LINDA: SO THERE ARE A
  • 00:16:05.609 --> 00:16:06.811
  • - LINDA: SO THERE ARE ALOT OF NON-PHARMACOLOGICAL
  • 00:16:06.811 --> 00:16:07.712
  • LOT OF NON-PHARMACOLOGICALTREATMENTS THAT PEOPLE MAY
  • 00:16:07.712 --> 00:16:08.813
  • TREATMENTS THAT PEOPLE MAYNOT BE AWARE OF.
  • 00:16:08.813 --> 00:16:10.047
  • NOT BE AWARE OF.THE COAUTHOR OF THE BOOK
  • 00:16:10.047 --> 00:16:12.049
  • THE COAUTHOR OF THE BOOKIS A PHYSICIAN.
  • 00:16:12.049 --> 00:16:12.850
  • IS A PHYSICIAN.HE'S WHAT'S CALLED A "DO,"
  • 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:14.719
  • HE'S WHAT'S CALLED A "DO,"A DOCTOR OF OSTEOPATHIC
  • 00:16:14.719 --> 00:16:16.020
  • A DOCTOR OF OSTEOPATHICMEDICINE.
  • 00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:17.054
  • MEDICINE.AND IN THEIR TRAINING,
  • 00:16:17.054 --> 00:16:18.055
  • AND IN THEIR TRAINING,THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO USE
  • 00:16:18.055 --> 00:16:19.156
  • THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO USETHEIR HANDS IN A TREATMENT
  • 00:16:19.156 --> 00:16:20.925
  • THEIR HANDS IN A TREATMENTTHAT'S CALLED "OSTEOPATHIC
  • 00:16:20.925 --> 00:16:22.960
  • THAT'S CALLED "OSTEOPATHICMANIPULATIVE TREATMENT."
  • 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:23.794
  • MANIPULATIVE TREATMENT."IT'S "OMT."
  • 00:16:23.794 --> 00:16:24.862
  • IT'S "OMT."AND I'M ALWAYS ASTOUNDED,
  • 00:16:24.862 --> 00:16:25.830
  • AND I'M ALWAYS ASTOUNDED,THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
  • 00:16:25.830 --> 00:16:26.597
  • THE NUMBER OF PEOPLEWHO HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED
  • 00:16:26.597 --> 00:16:28.332
  • WHO HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTEREDAN OSTEOPATH,
  • 00:16:28.332 --> 00:16:28.866
  • AN OSTEOPATH,WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN
  • 00:16:28.866 --> 00:16:29.834
  • WHO HAVE NEVER BEENTO THAT TYPE OF DOCTOR.
  • 00:16:29.834 --> 00:16:30.468
  • TO THAT TYPE OF DOCTOR.IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A
  • 00:16:30.468 --> 00:16:32.403
  • IT'S DIFFERENT THAN ACHIROPRACTOR.
  • 00:16:32.403 --> 00:16:32.870
  • CHIROPRACTOR.THEY'RE ACTUALLY
  • 00:16:32.870 --> 00:16:34.438
  • THEY'RE ACTUALLYPHYSICIANS WHO ARE TRAINED
  • 00:16:34.438 --> 00:16:36.474
  • PHYSICIANS WHO ARE TRAINEDMORE INTENSELY IN THE
  • 00:16:36.474 --> 00:16:38.476
  • MORE INTENSELY IN THEMUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM, SO
  • 00:16:38.476 --> 00:16:39.510
  • MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM, SOIF YOU HAVE CHRONIC PAIN
  • 00:16:39.510 --> 00:16:40.511
  • IF YOU HAVE CHRONIC PAINTHAT IS RELATED TO
  • 00:16:40.511 --> 00:16:42.913
  • THAT IS RELATED TOSOMETHING MUSCULOSKELETAL
  • 00:16:42.913 --> 00:16:44.181
  • SOMETHING MUSCULOSKELETALOR EVEN OTHER TYPES OF
  • 00:16:44.181 --> 00:16:45.049
  • OR EVEN OTHER TYPES OFPAIN-- 'CAUSE THERE'S LOTS
  • 00:16:45.049 --> 00:16:46.150
  • PAIN-- 'CAUSE THERE'S LOTSOF TYPES OF PAIN.
  • 00:16:46.150 --> 00:16:46.884
  • OF TYPES OF PAIN.THERE'S NEUROPATHIC PAIN
  • 00:16:46.884 --> 00:16:48.052
  • THERE'S NEUROPATHIC PAINAND INFLAMMATORY PAIN, AND
  • 00:16:48.052 --> 00:16:50.054
  • AND INFLAMMATORY PAIN, ANDNOCICEPTIVE PAIN.
  • 00:16:50.054 --> 00:16:50.554
  • NOCICEPTIVE PAIN.THERE'S ALL KINDS.
  • 00:16:50.554 --> 00:16:51.188
  • THERE'S ALL KINDS.- ERIC: WELL, WHY WOULD A
  • 00:16:51.188 --> 00:16:52.523
  • - ERIC: WELL, WHY WOULD AREGULAR MEDICAL DOCTOR
  • 00:16:52.523 --> 00:16:53.457
  • REGULAR MEDICAL DOCTORTHAT, YOU KNOW, IS
  • 00:16:53.457 --> 00:16:54.025
  • THAT, YOU KNOW, ISPRESCRIBING OPIOIDS OR
  • 00:16:54.025 --> 00:16:54.592
  • PRESCRIBING OPIOIDS ORWHATEVER, NOT HAVE THE
  • 00:16:54.592 --> 00:16:55.292
  • WHATEVER, NOT HAVE THEWISDOM TO SEND YOU TO AN
  • 00:16:55.292 --> 00:16:58.162
  • WISDOM TO SEND YOU TO ANOSTEOPATH?
  • 00:16:58.162 --> 00:16:58.896
  • OSTEOPATH?I DON'T GET THAT.
  • 00:16:58.896 --> 00:16:59.597
  • I DON'T GET THAT.- LINDA: I JUST THINK A
  • 00:16:59.597 --> 00:17:00.231
  • - LINDA: I JUST THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE
  • 00:17:00.231 --> 00:17:00.831
  • LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T AWAREOF WHAT THEY DO, AND THE
  • 00:17:00.831 --> 00:17:01.732
  • OF WHAT THEY DO, AND THEOMT TREATMENTS.
  • 00:17:01.732 --> 00:17:02.933
  • OMT TREATMENTS.IT'S ACTUALLY A-- THEY PUT
  • 00:17:02.933 --> 00:17:04.301
  • IT'S ACTUALLY A-- THEY PUTTHEIR HANDS ON YOU IN
  • 00:17:04.301 --> 00:17:05.269
  • THEIR HANDS ON YOU INTERMS OF THEY'RE MOVING
  • 00:17:05.269 --> 00:17:06.437
  • TERMS OF THEY'RE MOVINGCERTAIN FASCIA AND
  • 00:17:06.437 --> 00:17:07.405
  • CERTAIN FASCIA ANDMUSCLES, AND ALL THIS KIND
  • 00:17:07.405 --> 00:17:07.872
  • MUSCLES, AND ALL THIS KINDOF THING.
  • 00:17:07.872 --> 00:17:08.706
  • OF THING.IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE FOR
  • 00:17:08.706 --> 00:17:10.775
  • IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE FORCERTAIN TYPES OF PAIN.
  • 00:17:10.775 --> 00:17:11.809
  • CERTAIN TYPES OF PAIN.ANOTHER ONE THAT'S VERY
  • 00:17:11.809 --> 00:17:13.344
  • ANOTHER ONE THAT'S VERYEFFECTIVE IS ACUPUNCTURE.
  • 00:17:13.344 --> 00:17:13.778
  • EFFECTIVE IS ACUPUNCTURE.- ERIC: YES.
  • 00:17:13.778 --> 00:17:15.046
  • - ERIC: YES.- LINDA: AND SO, FOR ME,
  • 00:17:15.046 --> 00:17:16.113
  • - LINDA: AND SO, FOR ME,IT DID NOT WORK BECAUSE I
  • 00:17:16.113 --> 00:17:17.581
  • IT DID NOT WORK BECAUSE IHAD-- AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO
  • 00:17:17.581 --> 00:17:18.582
  • HAD-- AGAIN, YOU HAVE TOGET AT THE ROOT SOURCE OF
  • 00:17:18.582 --> 00:17:20.051
  • GET AT THE ROOT SOURCE OFTHE PAIN.
  • 00:17:20.051 --> 00:17:21.018
  • THE PAIN.SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THE
  • 00:17:21.018 --> 00:17:21.786
  • SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THEACUPUNCTURE, IT WAS
  • 00:17:21.786 --> 00:17:22.987
  • ACUPUNCTURE, IT WASACTUALLY A PHYSICIAN WHO
  • 00:17:22.987 --> 00:17:24.288
  • ACTUALLY A PHYSICIAN WHODID THE ACUPUNCTURE ON ME,
  • 00:17:24.288 --> 00:17:26.524
  • DID THE ACUPUNCTURE ON ME,AND HE KEPT DOING IT, AND
  • 00:17:26.524 --> 00:17:27.258
  • AND HE KEPT DOING IT, ANDHE-- I WOULD GET RELIEF
  • 00:17:27.258 --> 00:17:28.592
  • HE-- I WOULD GET RELIEFFOR, LIKE, THREE TO FOUR
  • 00:17:28.592 --> 00:17:29.293
  • FOR, LIKE, THREE TO FOURHOURS, AND THEN IT WOULD
  • 00:17:29.293 --> 00:17:29.960
  • HOURS, AND THEN IT WOULDCOME BACK.
  • 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:30.861
  • COME BACK.THE PAIN WOULD COME BACK,
  • 00:17:30.861 --> 00:17:31.495
  • THE PAIN WOULD COME BACK,AND HE SAID, "SOMETHING'S
  • 00:17:31.495 --> 00:17:32.129
  • AND HE SAID, "SOMETHING'SWRONG.
  • 00:17:32.129 --> 00:17:32.797
  • WRONG.THIS IS NOT DOING WHAT IT
  • 00:17:32.797 --> 00:17:33.664
  • THIS IS NOT DOING WHAT ITNEEDS TO DO," BECAUSE THE
  • 00:17:33.664 --> 00:17:34.732
  • NEEDS TO DO," BECAUSE THEIDEA IS THAT IT'S
  • 00:17:34.732 --> 00:17:35.766
  • IDEA IS THAT IT'SINFLUENCING THOSE PAIN
  • 00:17:35.766 --> 00:17:37.535
  • INFLUENCING THOSE PAINPATHWAYS IN YOUR BODY AND
  • 00:17:37.535 --> 00:17:39.537
  • PATHWAYS IN YOUR BODY ANDINTERRUPTING THAT.
  • 00:17:39.537 --> 00:17:40.137
  • INTERRUPTING THAT.- ERIC: ACUPUNCTURE, I
  • 00:17:40.137 --> 00:17:40.805
  • - ERIC: ACUPUNCTURE, IMEAN, WHAT FASCINATES ME
  • 00:17:40.805 --> 00:17:42.273
  • MEAN, WHAT FASCINATES MEIS HOW MUCH THERE IS OUT
  • 00:17:42.273 --> 00:17:43.641
  • IS HOW MUCH THERE IS OUTTHERE THAT PEOPLE DON'T
  • 00:17:43.641 --> 00:17:45.042
  • THERE THAT PEOPLE DON'TEVEN TOUCH UPON.
  • 00:17:45.042 --> 00:17:45.576
  • EVEN TOUCH UPON.I MEAN, THE FACT IS,
  • 00:17:45.576 --> 00:17:46.744
  • I MEAN, THE FACT IS,ACUPUNCTURE MIGHT NOT WORK
  • 00:17:46.744 --> 00:17:48.279
  • ACUPUNCTURE MIGHT NOT WORKFOR YOU, BUT IT WORKS FOR
  • 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:49.146
  • FOR YOU, BUT IT WORKS FORA LOT OF PEOPLE, AND
  • 00:17:49.146 --> 00:17:49.780
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE, ANDPEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT.
  • 00:17:49.780 --> 00:17:51.148
  • PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT.- LINDA: YEAH, IN MY
  • 00:17:51.148 --> 00:17:52.349
  • - LINDA: YEAH, IN MYCASE, I NEEDED SURGERY, SO
  • 00:17:52.349 --> 00:17:53.184
  • CASE, I NEEDED SURGERY, SOTHERE WAS A BULGE ON MY
  • 00:17:53.184 --> 00:17:54.718
  • THERE WAS A BULGE ON MYL5, AND THAT'S WHY I
  • 00:17:54.718 --> 00:17:56.187
  • L5, AND THAT'S WHY INEEDED SURGERY.
  • 00:17:56.187 --> 00:17:56.887
  • NEEDED SURGERY.THAT'S WHY THE ACUPUNCTURE
  • 00:17:56.887 --> 00:17:57.488
  • THAT'S WHY THE ACUPUNCTUREWASN'T WORKING FOR THAT
  • 00:17:57.488 --> 00:17:58.422
  • WASN'T WORKING FOR THATPARTICULAR PROBLEM, BUT IT
  • 00:17:58.422 --> 00:17:59.523
  • PARTICULAR PROBLEM, BUT ITWORKS FOR A LOT OF
  • 00:17:59.523 --> 00:18:00.825
  • WORKS FOR A LOT OFPROBLEMS-- EVIDENCE-BASED,
  • 00:18:00.825 --> 00:18:02.493
  • PROBLEMS-- EVIDENCE-BASED,AND IT CAN HELP A LOT OF
  • 00:18:02.493 --> 00:18:03.494
  • AND IT CAN HELP A LOT OFPEOPLE.
  • 00:18:03.494 --> 00:18:04.562
  • PEOPLE.THERE'S SOMETHING THAT A
  • 00:18:04.562 --> 00:18:05.196
  • THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE
  • 00:18:05.196 --> 00:18:05.763
  • LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TAKEADVANTAGE OF, CALLED
  • 00:18:05.763 --> 00:18:06.530
  • ADVANTAGE OF, CALLED"BIOFEEDBACK,"
  • 00:18:06.530 --> 00:18:07.631
  • "BIOFEEDBACK,"AND SO, IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY
  • 00:18:07.631 --> 00:18:08.999
  • AND SO, IF YOU'RE SOMEBODYWHO HAS HEADACHES, MIGRAINES--
  • 00:18:08.999 --> 00:18:10.101
  • WHO HAS HEADACHES, MIGRAINES--YOU KNOW,
  • 00:18:10.101 --> 00:18:11.235
  • YOU KNOW,I'VE GOT A BIOFEEDBACK
  • 00:18:11.235 --> 00:18:12.603
  • I'VE GOT A BIOFEEDBACKMACHINE IN MY OFFICE.
  • 00:18:12.603 --> 00:18:13.304
  • MACHINE IN MY OFFICE.- ERIC: I DON'T EVEN KNOW
  • 00:18:13.304 --> 00:18:13.871
  • - ERIC: I DON'T EVEN KNOWWHAT THAT IS--
  • 00:18:13.871 --> 00:18:14.472
  • WHAT THAT IS--- LINDA: OKAY, SO IT'S
  • 00:18:14.472 --> 00:18:14.905
  • - LINDA: OKAY, SO IT'SA MACHINE--
  • 00:18:14.905 --> 00:18:15.539
  • A MACHINE--- ERIC: -- WHAT IS THAT?
  • 00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:16.240
  • - ERIC: -- WHAT IS THAT?- LINDA: YEAH, IT'S A
  • 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:17.241
  • - LINDA: YEAH, IT'S AMACHINE.
  • 00:18:17.241 --> 00:18:17.875
  • MACHINE.YOU HOOK YOURSELF UP WITH
  • 00:18:17.875 --> 00:18:18.509
  • YOU HOOK YOURSELF UP WITHTHESE SENSORS, AND YOU'RE
  • 00:18:18.509 --> 00:18:19.110
  • THESE SENSORS, AND YOU'REWATCHING YOUR
  • 00:18:19.110 --> 00:18:20.044
  • WATCHING YOURPHYSIOLOGICAL RESPONSE TO
  • 00:18:20.044 --> 00:18:21.212
  • PHYSIOLOGICAL RESPONSE TOPAIN, AND ONE OF THE
  • 00:18:21.212 --> 00:18:22.847
  • PAIN, AND ONE OF THETHINGS ABOUT PAIN IS IT
  • 00:18:22.847 --> 00:18:24.248
  • THINGS ABOUT PAIN IS ITGETS WORSE WITH STRESS.
  • 00:18:24.248 --> 00:18:25.483
  • GETS WORSE WITH STRESS.SO A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE
  • 00:18:25.483 --> 00:18:26.550
  • SO A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLEWILL SAY, "WHEN MY
  • 00:18:26.550 --> 00:18:27.485
  • WILL SAY, "WHEN MYMIGRAINE IS COMING ON,
  • 00:18:27.485 --> 00:18:28.719
  • MIGRAINE IS COMING ON,THERE'S SOME KIND OF
  • 00:18:28.719 --> 00:18:29.386
  • THERE'S SOME KIND OFSTRESSFUL SITUATION."
  • 00:18:29.386 --> 00:18:31.055
  • STRESSFUL SITUATION."AND IT STARTS THAT PROCESS
  • 00:18:31.055 --> 00:18:32.590
  • AND IT STARTS THAT PROCESSTHAT YOU WANNA INTERRUPT
  • 00:18:32.590 --> 00:18:33.290
  • THAT YOU WANNA INTERRUPTREALLY QUICKLY, SO IT
  • 00:18:33.290 --> 00:18:34.425
  • REALLY QUICKLY, SO ITDOESN'T GO THERE.
  • 00:18:34.425 --> 00:18:35.059
  • DOESN'T GO THERE.SO YOU HOOK YOURSELF UP TO
  • 00:18:35.059 --> 00:18:36.093
  • SO YOU HOOK YOURSELF UP TOTHE MACHINE.
  • 00:18:36.093 --> 00:18:37.161
  • THE MACHINE.YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR BODY.
  • 00:18:37.161 --> 00:18:37.828
  • YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR BODY.YOU'RE LEARNING HOW TO
  • 00:18:37.828 --> 00:18:38.963
  • YOU'RE LEARNING HOW TOTAKE VOLUNTARY CONTROL OF
  • 00:18:38.963 --> 00:18:41.765
  • TAKE VOLUNTARY CONTROL OFYOUR BODY SO THAT YOU CAN
  • 00:18:41.765 --> 00:18:43.367
  • YOUR BODY SO THAT YOU CANCALM THAT DOWN SO THAT
  • 00:18:43.367 --> 00:18:44.401
  • CALM THAT DOWN SO THATCASCADE DOESN'T HAPPEN.
  • 00:18:44.401 --> 00:18:45.536
  • CASCADE DOESN'T HAPPEN.YOU CAN LITERALLY LEARN TO
  • 00:18:45.536 --> 00:18:46.403
  • YOU CAN LITERALLY LEARN TOCONTROL, AND WE'VE GOT ALL
  • 00:18:46.403 --> 00:18:48.139
  • CONTROL, AND WE'VE GOT ALLKINDS OF STUDIES WITH--
  • 00:18:48.139 --> 00:18:50.441
  • TEENAGERS IN HIGH SCHOOL
  • 00:18:52.343 --> 00:18:52.943
  • TEENAGERS IN HIGH SCHOOLTHAT HAVE HAD MIGRAINES.
  • 00:18:52.943 --> 00:18:54.011
  • THAT HAVE HAD MIGRAINES.THEY CAN REDUCE THEIR
  • 00:18:54.011 --> 00:18:56.013
  • THEY CAN REDUCE THEIRMIGRAINES FROM 60 A MONTH,
  • 00:18:56.013 --> 00:18:57.748
  • MIGRAINES FROM 60 A MONTH,TO 10 A MONTH, AND THEY
  • 00:18:57.748 --> 00:18:58.382
  • TO 10 A MONTH, AND THEYCAN REALLY GET CONTROL OF
  • 00:18:58.382 --> 00:18:59.283
  • CAN REALLY GET CONTROL OFTHIS, SO IT'S A VERY
  • 00:18:59.283 --> 00:19:00.518
  • THIS, SO IT'S A VERYEFFECTIVE WAY OF DEALING
  • 00:19:00.518 --> 00:19:01.752
  • AGAIN, CERTAIN TYPES OF PAIN.
  • 00:19:03.187 --> 00:19:03.821
  • AGAIN, CERTAIN TYPES OF PAIN.- ERIC: THE MOST AMAZING
  • 00:19:03.821 --> 00:19:04.555
  • - ERIC: THE MOST AMAZINGTHING, TO ME, AS WE'RE
  • 00:19:04.555 --> 00:19:05.256
  • THING, TO ME, AS WE'RETALKING ABOUT THIS IS HOW
  • 00:19:05.256 --> 00:19:08.058
  • TALKING ABOUT THIS IS HOWIMPORTANT THE MIND IS
  • 00:19:08.058 --> 00:19:09.460
  • IMPORTANT THE MIND IS'CAUSE, A LOT OF US, WE
  • 00:19:09.460 --> 00:19:10.895
  • 'CAUSE, A LOT OF US, WEHAVE A VERY MATERIALISTIC
  • 00:19:10.895 --> 00:19:13.097
  • HAVE A VERY MATERIALISTICVIEW OF THE UNIVERSE, AND
  • 00:19:13.097 --> 00:19:15.466
  • VIEW OF THE UNIVERSE, ANDWHICH IS NOT HOLISTIC, AND
  • 00:19:15.466 --> 00:19:18.002
  • WHICH IS NOT HOLISTIC, ANDWE JUST THINK, "HEY, PAIN
  • 00:19:18.002 --> 00:19:19.336
  • WE JUST THINK, "HEY, PAINIS PAIN, AND IT'S GOT
  • 00:19:19.336 --> 00:19:20.171
  • IS PAIN, AND IT'S GOTNOTHING TO DO WITH-- I CAN
  • 00:19:20.171 --> 00:19:20.905
  • NOTHING TO DO WITH-- I CANNEVER EFFECT IT WITH MY
  • 00:19:20.905 --> 00:19:21.872
  • NEVER EFFECT IT WITH MYBRAIN OR WITH MY THOUGHTS
  • 00:19:21.872 --> 00:19:24.842
  • BRAIN OR WITH MY THOUGHTSOR WHATEVER."
  • 00:19:24.842 --> 00:19:25.476
  • OR WHATEVER."SO WHEN YOU REALIZE,
  • 00:19:25.476 --> 00:19:26.343
  • SO WHEN YOU REALIZE,NO, THAT I CAN
  • 00:19:26.343 --> 00:19:27.378
  • NO, THAT I CANACTUALLY HAVE CONTROL
  • 00:19:27.378 --> 00:19:28.846
  • ACTUALLY HAVE CONTROLTHROUGH MY THOUGHTS,
  • 00:19:28.846 --> 00:19:30.047
  • THROUGH MY THOUGHTS,I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S THE
  • 00:19:30.047 --> 00:19:30.915
  • I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S THEKIND OF THING THAT
  • 00:19:30.915 --> 00:19:32.216
  • KIND OF THING THATINCREASES MY FAITH BECAUSE
  • 00:19:32.216 --> 00:19:33.617
  • INCREASES MY FAITH BECAUSEI REALIZE THE BIBLE TALKS
  • 00:19:33.617 --> 00:19:35.519
  • I REALIZE THE BIBLE TALKSABOUT THIS OVER AND OVER
  • 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:37.121
  • ABOUT THIS OVER AND OVERAND OVER AGAIN, AND A LOT
  • 00:19:37.121 --> 00:19:39.356
  • AND OVER AGAIN, AND A LOTOF PEOPLE JUST POO-POO IT,
  • 00:19:39.356 --> 00:19:39.990
  • OF PEOPLE JUST POO-POO IT,BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME, YOU
  • 00:19:39.990 --> 00:19:40.691
  • BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME, YOUKNOW, AS A DOCTOR,
  • 00:19:40.691 --> 00:19:41.158
  • KNOW, AS A DOCTOR,THIS IS REAL.
  • 00:19:41.158 --> 00:19:41.759
  • THIS IS REAL.- LINDA: YEAH, WHEN YOU
  • 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:42.660
  • - LINDA: YEAH, WHEN YOULOOK AT THE SCRIPTURE THAT
  • 00:19:42.660 --> 00:19:44.228
  • LOOK AT THE SCRIPTURE THATSAYS, "TAKE YOUR THOUGHTS
  • 00:19:44.228 --> 00:19:45.396
  • SAYS, "TAKE YOUR THOUGHTSCAPTIVE," YOU KNOW, WHAT
  • 00:19:45.396 --> 00:19:46.030
  • CAPTIVE," YOU KNOW, WHATARE WE TALKING ABOUT THERE
  • 00:19:46.030 --> 00:19:47.198
  • ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THEREIN TERMS OF PAIN?
  • 00:19:47.198 --> 00:19:47.831
  • IN TERMS OF PAIN?WE'RE SAYING, "TAKE THOSE
  • 00:19:47.831 --> 00:19:48.899
  • WE'RE SAYING, "TAKE THOSETHOUGHTS CAPTIVE.
  • 00:19:48.899 --> 00:19:50.367
  • THOUGHTS CAPTIVE.MAKE THEM MORE APPROPRIATE
  • 00:19:50.367 --> 00:19:51.902
  • MAKE THEM MORE APPROPRIATETO THE HOPE THAT YOU
  • 00:19:51.902 --> 00:19:53.037
  • TO THE HOPE THAT YOUHAVE," AND THAT DOESN'T
  • 00:19:53.037 --> 00:19:53.604
  • HAVE," AND THAT DOESN'TMEAN THAT THE PAIN IS
  • 00:19:53.604 --> 00:19:54.538
  • MEAN THAT THE PAIN ISGONNA GO AWAY, AND I DON'T
  • 00:19:54.538 --> 00:19:56.173
  • GONNA GO AWAY, AND I DON'TWANT ANYONE LISTENING TO
  • 00:19:56.173 --> 00:19:57.408
  • WANT ANYONE LISTENING TOUS, THINK THAT I'M SAYING
  • 00:19:57.408 --> 00:19:58.509
  • US, THINK THAT I'M SAYINGYOU CAN THINK YOUR PAIN
  • 00:19:58.509 --> 00:19:58.909
  • YOU CAN THINK YOUR PAINAWAY.
  • 00:19:58.909 --> 00:20:00.411
  • AWAY.THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYIN'.
  • 00:20:00.411 --> 00:20:01.879
  • THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYIN'.WE'RE SAYIN', AGAIN, LIKE
  • 00:20:01.879 --> 00:20:02.813
  • WE'RE SAYIN', AGAIN, LIKETHOSE TOUR DE FRANCE
  • 00:20:02.813 --> 00:20:04.081
  • THOSE TOUR DE FRANCERACERS, THAT, IF YOU CAN
  • 00:20:04.081 --> 00:20:05.449
  • RACERS, THAT, IF YOU CANCONTROL YOUR THOUGHTS A
  • 00:20:05.449 --> 00:20:06.350
  • CONTROL YOUR THOUGHTS ALITTLE BETTER, IF YOU CAN
  • 00:20:06.350 --> 00:20:07.484
  • LITTLE BETTER, IF YOU CANCONTROL YOUR EMOTIONS A
  • 00:20:07.484 --> 00:20:08.519
  • CONTROL YOUR EMOTIONS ALITTLE BETTER, IF YOU CAN
  • 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:09.053
  • LITTLE BETTER, IF YOU CANWORK ON YOUR STRESS
  • 00:20:09.053 --> 00:20:10.287
  • WORK ON YOUR STRESSMANAGEMENT, THEN THERE'S A
  • 00:20:10.287 --> 00:20:11.121
  • MANAGEMENT, THEN THERE'S AHOST OF LIFESTYLE THINGS
  • 00:20:11.121 --> 00:20:11.855
  • HOST OF LIFESTYLE THINGSTHAT YOU CAN DO.
  • 00:20:11.855 --> 00:20:12.990
  • THAT YOU CAN DO.THERE ARE THINGS LIKE STOP
  • 00:20:12.990 --> 00:20:14.525
  • THERE ARE THINGS LIKE STOPSMOKING.
  • 00:20:14.525 --> 00:20:15.526
  • SMOKING.PEOPLE THAT SMOKE HAVE
  • 00:20:15.526 --> 00:20:16.427
  • PEOPLE THAT SMOKE HAVEMORE PAIN RECEPTORS IN THE
  • 00:20:16.427 --> 00:20:17.161
  • MORE PAIN RECEPTORS IN THEBODY, AND THE PAIN IS WORSE.
  • 00:20:17.161 --> 00:20:17.795
  • BODY, AND THE PAIN IS WORSE.- ERIC: ARE YOU KIDDING?
  • 00:20:17.795 --> 00:20:19.563
  • - ERIC: ARE YOU KIDDING?HOLY COW.
  • 00:20:19.563 --> 00:20:20.397
  • HOLY COW.- LINDA: ALCOHOL CAN MAKE
  • 00:20:20.397 --> 00:20:21.865
  • - LINDA: ALCOHOL CAN MAKEPAIN EVEN WORSE.
  • 00:20:21.865 --> 00:20:23.067
  • PAIN EVEN WORSE.AND, LISTEN, DIET IS ONE
  • 00:20:23.067 --> 00:20:23.767
  • AND, LISTEN, DIET IS ONEOF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT
  • 00:20:23.767 --> 00:20:24.835
  • OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THATYOU CAN DO, AN
  • 00:20:24.835 --> 00:20:28.539
  • YOU CAN DO, ANANTI-INFLAMMATORY DIET.
  • 00:20:28.539 --> 00:20:29.273
  • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY DIET.SO WE LOOKED AT ALL THE DIETS--
  • 00:20:29.273 --> 00:20:29.940
  • SO WE LOOKED AT ALL THE DIETS--- ERIC: SUGAR IS THE WORST?
  • 00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:30.541
  • - ERIC: SUGAR IS THE WORST?- LINDA: SUGAR IS BAD.
  • 00:20:30.541 --> 00:20:31.141
  • - LINDA: SUGAR IS BAD.- ERIC: I'VE BECOME A
  • 00:20:31.141 --> 00:20:31.508
  • - ERIC: I'VE BECOME ACRUSADER.
  • 00:20:31.508 --> 00:20:32.109
  • CRUSADER.- LINDA: THE LAST THING
  • 00:20:32.109 --> 00:20:32.710
  • - LINDA: THE LAST THINGYOU WANNA DO WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:20:32.710 --> 00:20:33.344
  • YOU WANNA DO WHEN YOU'REIN PAIN IS PROBABLY GET UP
  • 00:20:33.344 --> 00:20:33.944
  • IN PAIN IS PROBABLY GET UPAND MOVE BECAUSE YOU'RE
  • 00:20:33.944 --> 00:20:34.511
  • AND MOVE BECAUSE YOU'REHURTING, BUT THAT IS
  • 00:20:34.511 --> 00:20:35.813
  • HURTING, BUT THAT ISREALLY A GOOD THING FOR
  • 00:20:35.813 --> 00:20:37.915
  • REALLY A GOOD THING FORYOU TO DO.
  • 00:20:37.915 --> 00:20:38.649
  • YOU TO DO.WE KNOW THAT EXERCISE
  • 00:20:38.649 --> 00:20:39.950
  • WE KNOW THAT EXERCISEHELPS THE ENDORPHINS IN
  • 00:20:39.950 --> 00:20:40.818
  • HELPS THE ENDORPHINS INTHE BRAIN, HELPS YOUR
  • 00:20:40.818 --> 00:20:42.086
  • THE BRAIN, HELPS YOURMOOD, BUT IT ACTUALLY
  • 00:20:42.086 --> 00:20:43.387
  • MOOD, BUT IT ACTUALLYHELPS TO MAKE YOU MORE
  • 00:20:43.387 --> 00:20:45.089
  • HELPS TO MAKE YOU MOREFLEXIBLE.
  • 00:20:45.089 --> 00:20:45.756
  • FLEXIBLE.SO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO,
  • 00:20:45.756 --> 00:20:47.258
  • SO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO,YOU KNOW, JOIN PILATES,
  • 00:20:47.258 --> 00:20:48.659
  • YOU KNOW, JOIN PILATES,MAYBE DO THIS UNDER A
  • 00:20:48.659 --> 00:20:49.893
  • MAYBE DO THIS UNDER ADOCTOR'S SUPERVISION,
  • 00:20:49.893 --> 00:20:50.527
  • DOCTOR'S SUPERVISION,DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF
  • 00:20:50.527 --> 00:20:51.228
  • DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OFPAIN YOU HAVE, BUT THE
  • 00:20:51.228 --> 00:20:52.696
  • PAIN YOU HAVE, BUT THEMORE YOU CAN GET UP AND MOVE.
  • 00:20:52.696 --> 00:20:54.665
  • MORE YOU CAN GET UP AND MOVE.SO THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE
  • 00:20:54.665 --> 00:20:55.799
  • SO THAT AFFECTS PEOPLEINTERPERSONALLY AS WELL.
  • 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:57.034
  • INTERPERSONALLY AS WELL.THINK ABOUT IT: IF YOU
  • 00:20:57.034 --> 00:20:57.901
  • THINK ABOUT IT: IF YOUHAVE SOMEBODY IN PAIN IN
  • 00:20:57.901 --> 00:20:58.836
  • HAVE SOMEBODY IN PAIN INYOUR FAMILY, YOU TEND TO
  • 00:20:58.836 --> 00:21:00.170
  • YOUR FAMILY, YOU TEND TOWAIT ON 'EM.
  • 00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:01.005
  • WAIT ON 'EM.AND EVEN SLEEP, I WANNA
  • 00:21:01.005 --> 00:21:02.106
  • AND EVEN SLEEP, I WANNASAY SLEEP IS ONE OF THE
  • 00:21:02.106 --> 00:21:03.274
  • SAY SLEEP IS ONE OF THETHINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED
  • 00:21:03.274 --> 00:21:04.008
  • THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKEDAT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD--
  • 00:21:04.008 --> 00:21:05.743
  • AT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD--AFFECTS SO MANY CONDITIONS
  • 00:21:05.743 --> 00:21:06.477
  • AFFECTS SO MANY CONDITIONSIN THE BODY, AND IT
  • 00:21:06.477 --> 00:21:07.945
  • IN THE BODY, AND ITCERTAINLY WILL MAKE PAIN--
  • 00:21:07.945 --> 00:21:08.846
  • CERTAINLY WILL MAKE PAIN--SO IF YOU'RE HAVING
  • 00:21:08.846 --> 00:21:09.780
  • SO IF YOU'RE HAVINGTROUBLE SLEEPING BECAUSE
  • 00:21:09.780 --> 00:21:10.781
  • TROUBLE SLEEPING BECAUSEOF YOUR PAIN, YOU MIGHT
  • 00:21:10.781 --> 00:21:11.682
  • OF YOUR PAIN, YOU MIGHTWANNA WORK WITH A SLEEP
  • 00:21:11.682 --> 00:21:12.549
  • WANNA WORK WITH A SLEEPDOCTOR AND GET THAT UNDER
  • 00:21:12.549 --> 00:21:13.951
  • DOCTOR AND GET THAT UNDERCONTROL AS WELL.
  • 00:21:13.951 --> 00:21:14.585
  • CONTROL AS WELL.- ERIC: WELL, THAT'S THE
  • 00:21:14.585 --> 00:21:15.519
  • - ERIC: WELL, THAT'S THEOTHER THING TOO, HAVING--
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  • OTHER THING TOO, HAVING--I'VE HAD THE GUTS TO TAKE
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  • I'VE HAD THE GUTS TO TAKESLEEP MEDICATION WHEN I
  • 00:21:17.655 --> 00:21:18.689
  • SLEEP MEDICATION WHEN INEED IT BECAUSE I REALIZED
  • 00:21:18.689 --> 00:21:19.356
  • NEED IT BECAUSE I REALIZEDTHAT THAT SLEEP IS SO
  • 00:21:19.356 --> 00:21:21.058
  • THAT THAT SLEEP IS SOIMPORTANT.
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  • IMPORTANT.SO YOU DON'T WANNA GET
  • 00:21:21.959 --> 00:21:22.993
  • SO YOU DON'T WANNA GETADDICTED TO SLEEP
  • 00:21:22.993 --> 00:21:23.694
  • ADDICTED TO SLEEPMEDICATION, BUT YOU GOTTA--
  • 00:21:23.694 --> 00:21:24.528
  • MEDICATION, BUT YOU GOTTA--YOU KNOW, THESE ARE
  • 00:21:24.528 --> 00:21:25.462
  • YOU KNOW, THESE AREALL THINGS.
  • 00:21:25.462 --> 00:21:26.163
  • ALL THINGS.OKAY, A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT.
  • 00:21:26.163 --> 00:21:26.530
  • OKAY, A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT.WHAT ELSE?
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  • WHAT ELSE?- LINDA: I THINK, LOOKING
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  • - LINDA: I THINK, LOOKINGAT ALL THE DIFFERENT
  • 00:21:29.033 --> 00:21:30.301
  • AT ALL THE DIFFERENTTREATMENTS AND FIGURING
  • 00:21:30.301 --> 00:21:32.303
  • TREATMENTS AND FIGURINGOUT WHAT'S FOR YOU, SO WE
  • 00:21:32.303 --> 00:21:32.870
  • OUT WHAT'S FOR YOU, SO WEDID A-- WE LOOKED AT
  • 00:21:32.870 --> 00:21:34.505
  • DID A-- WE LOOKED ATHYPNOSIS, AND WE LOOKED AT
  • 00:21:34.505 --> 00:21:35.439
  • HYPNOSIS, AND WE LOOKED ATEVERYTHING THAT THERE IS
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  • EVERYTHING THAT THERE ISOUT THERE THAT COULD
  • 00:21:36.540 --> 00:21:37.274
  • OUT THERE THAT COULDPOSSIBLY AFFECT PAIN,
  • 00:21:37.274 --> 00:21:38.676
  • POSSIBLY AFFECT PAIN,AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IS THEN
  • 00:21:38.676 --> 00:21:39.710
  • AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IS THENMAKE A PERSONAL PAIN
  • 00:21:39.710 --> 00:21:40.577
  • MAKE A PERSONAL PAINTREATMENT.
  • 00:21:40.577 --> 00:21:41.178
  • TREATMENT.SO THERE'S A CHAPTER IN
  • 00:21:41.178 --> 00:21:42.112
  • SO THERE'S A CHAPTER INTHE BOOK WHERE YOU CAN SIT
  • 00:21:42.112 --> 00:21:42.913
  • THE BOOK WHERE YOU CAN SITDOWN AND GO, "ALL RIGHT,
  • 00:21:42.913 --> 00:21:43.781
  • DOWN AND GO, "ALL RIGHT,HOW AM I DOING ON MY
  • 00:21:43.781 --> 00:21:45.282
  • HOW AM I DOING ON MYTHOUGHTS AND MY BELIEFS?
  • 00:21:45.282 --> 00:21:45.983
  • THOUGHTS AND MY BELIEFS?HOW AM I DOING ON MY EMOTIONS?
  • 00:21:45.983 --> 00:21:47.051
  • HOW AM I DOING ON MY EMOTIONS?HOW AM I DOING ON MY
  • 00:21:47.051 --> 00:21:48.552
  • HOW AM I DOING ON MYABILITY TO INTERACT WITH
  • 00:21:48.552 --> 00:21:50.154
  • ABILITY TO INTERACT WITHPEOPLE, WHERE I'M NOT
  • 00:21:50.154 --> 00:21:50.888
  • PEOPLE, WHERE I'M NOTDEALING WITH PAIN ALL THE
  • 00:21:50.888 --> 00:21:51.422
  • DEALING WITH PAIN ALL THETIME?"
  • 00:21:51.422 --> 00:21:52.423
  • TIME?"ONE OF THE INTERESTING
  • 00:21:52.423 --> 00:21:53.590
  • ONE OF THE INTERESTINGTHINGS ABOUT PAIN IS, IF
  • 00:21:53.590 --> 00:21:54.792
  • THINGS ABOUT PAIN IS, IFYOU GIVE A LOT OF
  • 00:21:54.792 --> 00:21:55.492
  • YOU GIVE A LOT OFATTENTION TO IT, IT MAKES
  • 00:21:55.492 --> 00:21:56.527
  • ATTENTION TO IT, IT MAKESYOUR PAIN WORSE.
  • 00:21:56.527 --> 00:21:57.861
  • YOUR PAIN WORSE.SO A LOT OF THIS IS THE
  • 00:21:57.861 --> 00:21:59.029
  • SO A LOT OF THIS IS THEMIND-BODY RELAXATION
  • 00:21:59.029 --> 00:22:00.531
  • MIND-BODY RELAXATIONTHINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO.
  • 00:22:00.531 --> 00:22:01.765
  • THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO.SO DOING GUIDED IMAGERY IS
  • 00:22:01.765 --> 00:22:03.300
  • SO DOING GUIDED IMAGERY ISSOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:22:03.300 --> 00:22:04.001
  • SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE AREGOING, "WHAT'S THAT?"
  • 00:22:04.001 --> 00:22:04.935
  • GOING, "WHAT'S THAT?"BUT YOU ACTUALLY ARE
  • 00:22:04.935 --> 00:22:06.236
  • BUT YOU ACTUALLY ARECREATING A SCENE IN YOUR
  • 00:22:06.236 --> 00:22:07.104
  • CREATING A SCENE IN YOURHEAD OF MAYBE SOMETHING
  • 00:22:07.104 --> 00:22:08.972
  • HEAD OF MAYBE SOMETHINGVERY PEACEFUL.
  • 00:22:08.972 --> 00:22:09.773
  • VERY PEACEFUL.YOU'RE WALKING YOURSELF
  • 00:22:09.773 --> 00:22:10.441
  • YOU'RE WALKING YOURSELFTHROUGH IT.
  • 00:22:10.441 --> 00:22:11.675
  • THROUGH IT.THAT IS A VERY EFFECTIVE
  • 00:22:11.675 --> 00:22:12.910
  • THAT IS A VERY EFFECTIVETECHNIQUE.
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  • TECHNIQUE.DEEP MUSCLE RELAXATION,
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  • DEEP MUSCLE RELAXATION,BREATHING DEEPLY, ALL OF
  • 00:22:15.579 --> 00:22:16.980
  • BREATHING DEEPLY, ALL OFTHESE THINGS THAT ARE
  • 00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:18.649
  • THESE THINGS THAT ARERELAXING THE CENTRAL
  • 00:22:18.649 --> 00:22:19.249
  • RELAXING THE CENTRALNERVOUS SYSTEM, THEY'RE
  • 00:22:19.249 --> 00:22:21.018
  • NERVOUS SYSTEM, THEY'RECHANGING THAT SENSITIVITY
  • 00:22:21.018 --> 00:22:22.553
  • CHANGING THAT SENSITIVITYTO PAIN.
  • 00:22:22.553 --> 00:22:24.288
  • TO PAIN.IF YOU PUT ALL THOSE
  • 00:22:24.288 --> 00:22:25.055
  • IF YOU PUT ALL THOSELITTLE THINGS TOGETHER, SO
  • 00:22:25.055 --> 00:22:25.723
  • LITTLE THINGS TOGETHER, SOYOU DO SOME DEEP BREATHING
  • 00:22:25.723 --> 00:22:27.091
  • YOU DO SOME MEDITATION,
  • 00:22:28.325 --> 00:22:29.460
  • YOU DO SOME MEDITATION,PRAYER--
  • 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:30.160
  • PRAYER--PRAYER CHANGES THE BRAIN
  • 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:30.728
  • PRAYER CHANGES THE BRAINFOR THE BETTER.
  • 00:22:30.728 --> 00:22:32.463
  • FOR THE BETTER.SO THERE'S SO MANY PIECES
  • 00:22:32.463 --> 00:22:33.530
  • SO THERE'S SO MANY PIECESTO THIS, AND I WANNA SAY
  • 00:22:33.530 --> 00:22:34.631
  • TO THIS, AND I WANNA SAYIT'S HARD WORK TO CHANGE
  • 00:22:34.631 --> 00:22:36.266
  • IT'S HARD WORK TO CHANGEALL THESE ASPECTS OF YOUR
  • 00:22:36.266 --> 00:22:37.101
  • ALL THESE ASPECTS OF YOURLIFE AND TO MAKE THE PAIN
  • 00:22:37.101 --> 00:22:39.269
  • BUT YOU'LL FEEL SO MUCH
  • 00:22:40.437 --> 00:22:41.638
  • BUT YOU'LL FEEL SO MUCHBETTER IF YOU DO ALL THESE
  • 00:22:41.638 --> 00:22:42.873
  • BETTER IF YOU DO ALL THESETECHNIQUES AND YOU ADD ALL
  • 00:22:42.873 --> 00:22:43.907
  • TECHNIQUES AND YOU ADD ALLTHIS TO YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:22:43.907 --> 00:22:45.175
  • THIS TO YOUR LIFE.YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FUNCTION
  • 00:22:45.175 --> 00:22:45.909
  • YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FUNCTIONBETTER AND HAVE A BETTER
  • 00:22:45.909 --> 00:22:47.077
  • BETTER AND HAVE A BETTERQUALITY OF LIFE.
  • 00:22:47.077 --> 00:22:47.611
  • QUALITY OF LIFE.- ERIC: AND I WANNA
  • 00:22:47.611 --> 00:22:48.612
  • - ERIC: AND I WANNAENCOURAGE PEOPLE.
  • 00:22:48.612 --> 00:22:49.246
  • ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.BECAUSE I HAVE DEALT WITH
  • 00:22:49.246 --> 00:22:50.080
  • BECAUSE I HAVE DEALT WITHSOME OF THIS STUFF, I JUST
  • 00:22:50.080 --> 00:22:51.415
  • SOME OF THIS STUFF, I JUSTWANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
  • 00:22:51.415 --> 00:22:53.584
  • WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLETHAT EVERY LITTLE THING
  • 00:22:53.584 --> 00:22:55.052
  • THAT EVERY LITTLE THINGYOU DO MAKES THE NEXT
  • 00:22:55.052 --> 00:22:56.954
  • YOU DO MAKES THE NEXTTHING A LITTLE BIT EASIER
  • 00:22:56.954 --> 00:22:58.722
  • THING A LITTLE BIT EASIERAND A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
  • 00:22:58.722 --> 00:22:59.423
  • AND A LITTLE BIT EASIER.I SAY TO PEOPLE THAT SAY,
  • 00:22:59.423 --> 00:23:00.057
  • I SAY TO PEOPLE THAT SAY,"I DON'T WANNA EXERCISE,"
  • 00:23:00.057 --> 00:23:01.291
  • "I DON'T WANNA EXERCISE,""CAN YOU WALK?
  • 00:23:01.291 --> 00:23:02.226
  • "CAN YOU WALK?WALK A MILE.
  • 00:23:02.226 --> 00:23:03.360
  • WALK A MILE.WALK TWO MILES.
  • 00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:04.995
  • WALK TWO MILES.JUST DO IT.
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  • JUST DO IT.JUST, THE HARDEST THING IS
  • 00:23:05.929 --> 00:23:08.031
  • JUST, THE HARDEST THING ISTO PULL YOUR REAR END OUT
  • 00:23:08.031 --> 00:23:09.333
  • TO PULL YOUR REAR END OUTOF THE HOUSE TO GET DRESSED.
  • 00:23:09.333 --> 00:23:12.503
  • OF THE HOUSE TO GET DRESSED.ONCE YOU'RE OUT THERE AND
  • 00:23:12.503 --> 00:23:13.070
  • ONCE YOU'RE OUT THERE ANDYOU START DOING THIS,
  • 00:23:13.070 --> 00:23:13.737
  • YOU START DOING THIS,EVERYTHING BECOMES EASIER."
  • 00:23:13.737 --> 00:23:14.304
  • EVERYTHING BECOMES EASIER."SO I WOULD JUST WANNA
  • 00:23:14.304 --> 00:23:14.805
  • SO I WOULD JUST WANNAENCOURAGE PEOPLE,
  • 00:23:14.805 --> 00:23:16.306
  • ENCOURAGE PEOPLE,AND I WANNA THANK YOU,
  • 00:23:16.306 --> 00:23:18.675
  • AND I WANNA THANK YOU,LINDA, FOR WRITING THIS BOOK.
  • 00:23:18.675 --> 00:23:21.378
  • LINDA, FOR WRITING THIS BOOK.THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AT THE
  • 00:23:21.378 --> 00:23:22.479
  • THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AT THECORE OF SO MANY PEOPLE'S
  • 00:23:22.479 --> 00:23:23.947
  • CORE OF SO MANY PEOPLE'SLIVES, "LIVING BEYOND
  • 00:23:23.947 --> 00:23:26.150
  • LIVES, "LIVING BEYONDPAIN: A HOLISTIC APPROACH
  • 00:23:26.150 --> 00:23:27.351
  • PAIN: A HOLISTIC APPROACHTO MANAGE PAIN AND GET
  • 00:23:27.351 --> 00:23:28.485
  • TO MANAGE PAIN AND GETYOUR LIFE BACK."
  • 00:23:28.485 --> 00:23:29.820
  • YOUR LIFE BACK."LINDA MINTLE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:23:29.820 --> 00:23:31.588
  • LINDA MINTLE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.- LINDA: THANKS, ERIC.
  • 00:23:31.588 --> 00:23:35.492
  • - LINDA: THANKS, ERIC.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP ♪
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  • ♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP ♪♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T, CAN'T ♪
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  • ♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T, CAN'T ♪♪ CAN'T ♪
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  • - J.P. DE GANCE:
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  • CHURCHES ARE THE GREATEST
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  • AGGREGATOR OF SOCIAL
  • 00:23:46.403 --> 00:23:47.905
  • - ROBERT JEFFRESS: YOU
  • 00:23:49.940 --> 00:23:50.541
  • CAN'T SIT THIS ONE OUT.
  • 00:23:50.541 --> 00:23:52.242
  • THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU
  • 00:23:53.377 --> 00:23:54.378
  • THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOUGONNA BE VICTORIOUS OR NOT?
  • 00:23:54.378 --> 00:23:55.112
  • GONNA BE VICTORIOUS OR NOT?AND BY THE WAY, THIS WAR COMES--
  • 00:23:55.112 --> 00:23:56.547
  • AND BY THE WAY, THIS WAR COMES--HE ATTACKS FROM EVERY KIND
  • 00:23:56.547 --> 00:23:58.515
  • ♪ CAN'T STOP ♪
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  • ♪ CAN'T STOP ♪♪ WON'T STOP ♪
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  • ♪ WON'T STOP ♪♪ BOOM, BOOM ♪
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  • ♪ BOOM, BOOM ♪♪ BOOM, BOOM ♪
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