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April 3, 2020
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAMIS SPONSORED IN PART BY
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  • IS SPONSORED IN PART BYCARSHIELD, GIVING
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  • CARSHIELD, GIVINGTHOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • [CRASH][CHEERS]
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,IT'S "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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  • IT'S "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES
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  • YOU KNOW, SOMETIMESON THIS PROGRAM, WE BRING
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  • ON THIS PROGRAM, WE BRINGYOU NOTHING BUT GOOD NEWS.
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  • YOU NOTHING BUT GOOD NEWS.I'M SORRY TO SAY, TODAY'S
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  • I'M SORRY TO SAY, TODAY'SONE OF THOSE TIMES.
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  • I'M NOT JOKING.
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  • I'M NOT JOKING.I'M SITTING HERE IN THE
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  • I'M SITTING HERE IN THESTUDIO WITH J.P. DE GANCE--
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  • STUDIO WITH J.P. DE GANCE--IS THE CEO OF COMMUNIO.
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  • IS THE CEO OF COMMUNIO.THAT'S A NONPROFIT THAT
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  • THAT'S A NONPROFIT THATCONSULTS WITH CHURCHES TO
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  • CONSULTS WITH CHURCHES TOUSE 21ST CENTURY DATA
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  • USE 21ST CENTURY DATATOOLS AND BEST PRACTICES
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  • TOOLS AND BEST PRACTICESIN RELATIONSHIP MINISTRY
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  • IN RELATIONSHIP MINISTRYTO STRENGTHEN MARRIAGE AND
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  • TO STRENGTHEN MARRIAGE ANDTO STRENGTHEN FAMILIES IN
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  • TO STRENGTHEN FAMILIES INTHEIR COMMUNITY.
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  • THEIR COMMUNITY.YOU CAN FIND THEM AT
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  • YOU CAN FIND THEM ATCOMMUNIO.ORG.
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  • COMMUNIO.ORG.BEFORE WE DIG INTO THIS, I
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  • BEFORE WE DIG INTO THIS, IWANNA TALK ABOUT THE STATE
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  • WANNA TALK ABOUT THE STATEOF MARRIAGE IN AMERICA AND
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  • OF MARRIAGE IN AMERICA ANDCHURCHES.
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  • CHURCHES.WE KNOW THAT MANY OF OUR
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  • WE KNOW THAT MANY OF OURSOCIAL ISSUES, CRIME, SEX
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  • SOCIAL ISSUES, CRIME, SEXABUSE, SO ON, IS
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  • ABUSE, SO ON, ISPROFOUNDLY IMPACTED BY
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  • PROFOUNDLY IMPACTED BYFAMILY BREAKDOWN.
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  • FAMILY BREAKDOWN.WE KNOW THIS.
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  • WE KNOW THIS.FAMILY BREAKDOWN MEANS
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  • FAMILY BREAKDOWN MEANSMARRIAGE BREAKDOWN.
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  • MARRIAGE BREAKDOWN.SO, TO MY GUEST, J.P. DE GANCE,
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  • SO, TO MY GUEST, J.P. DE GANCE,FIRST OF ALL,
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  • FIRST OF ALL,WELCOME.
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  • WELCOME.AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT
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  • AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THATAND FOR THAT OPENING ISSUE
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  • - J.P. DE GANCE: YEAH,
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  • - J.P. DE GANCE: YEAH,ABSOLUTELY.
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  • ABSOLUTELY.YOU HIT ON SOMETHING BIG
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  • YOU HIT ON SOMETHING BIGBECAUSE MARRIAGE RIGHT NOW
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  • BECAUSE MARRIAGE RIGHT NOWIS AT THE ROOT OF SO MUCH
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  • IS AT THE ROOT OF SO MUCHSOCIAL DECLINE AND SO MANY
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  • WHETHER YOU ARE TALKING
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  • WHETHER YOU ARE TALKINGABOUT EDUCATION, CRIME,
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  • ABOUT EDUCATION, CRIME,ABUSE OF DIFFERENT SORTS,
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  • ABUSE OF DIFFERENT SORTS,DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
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  • DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,IT'S AMELIORATED OR AFFECTED BY
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  • IT'S AMELIORATED OR AFFECTED BYHEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS
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  • HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPSAND MARRIAGES.
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  • AND MARRIAGES.IN FACT, THERE'S SOMETHING
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  • IN FACT, THERE'S SOMETHINGCALLED "ACES,"
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  • CALLED "ACES,""ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EVENTS."
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  • "ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EVENTS."THE MORE OF THEM THAT YOU
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  • THE MORE OF THEM THAT YOUHAVE, THE MORE LIKELY YOU
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  • HAVE, THE MORE LIKELY YOUARE, AS AN ADULT, TO
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  • ARE, AS AN ADULT, TOSUFFER OBESITY,
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  • SUFFER OBESITY,DEPRESSION, SUICIDE, AND
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  • DEPRESSION, SUICIDE, ANDWHAT THEY FOUND IS A KID
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  • WHAT THEY FOUND IS A KIDWHO COMES FROM A HOME THAT
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  • WHO COMES FROM A HOME THATISN'T MARRIED IS WAY MORE
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  • ISN'T MARRIED IS WAY MORELIKELY TO HAVE THESE ACES,
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  • LIKELY TO HAVE THESE ACES,THESE ADVERSE CHILDHOOD
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  • THESE ADVERSE CHILDHOODEVENTS, AND IT'S WREAKING
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  • EVENTS, AND IT'S WREAKINGHAVOC ON ADULTS.
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  • HAVOC ON ADULTS.WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
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  • WHEN WE TALK ABOUTMARRIAGE, WE HAVE TO TALK
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  • MARRIAGE, WE HAVE TO TALKA LOT ABOUT THE HEALTH OF
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  • A LOT ABOUT THE HEALTH OFOUR COMMUNITIES, THE
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  • OUR COMMUNITIES, THEHEALTH OF OUR KIDS.
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  • HEALTH OF OUR KIDS.- ERIC: YOU GO INTO
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  • - ERIC: YOU GO INTOCHURCHES EXCLUSIVELY.
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  • CHURCHES EXCLUSIVELY.YOU DON'T GO INTO THE
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  • YOU DON'T GO INTO THECOMMUNITY.
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  • COMMUNITY.YOU GO INTO CHURCHES, AND
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  • YOU GO INTO CHURCHES, ANDBY GOING INTO CHURCHES
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  • BY GOING INTO CHURCHESWITH THIS PROGRAM, THE
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  • WITH THIS PROGRAM, THEENTIRE COMMUNITY
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  • ENTIRE COMMUNITYIS AFFECTED.
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  • IS AFFECTED.THAT, TO ME, IT'S LIKE
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  • THAT, TO ME, IT'S LIKETHAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD
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  • THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULDDREAM UP, BUT IT WOULDN'T
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  • DREAM UP, BUT IT WOULDN'THAPPEN.
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  • HAPPEN.IT'S JUST A NICE IDEA.
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  • IT'S JUST A NICE IDEA.BUT YOU TRIED THIS, AND SO
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  • BUT YOU TRIED THIS, AND SOTHREE YEARS RUNNING IN--
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  • THREE YEARS RUNNING IN--WHAT'S THE COUNTY?
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  • WHAT'S THE COUNTY?- J.P.: IT WAS IN DUVAL
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  • - J.P.: IT WAS IN DUVALCOUNTY, FLORIDA,
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  • COUNTY, FLORIDA,JACKSONVILLE.
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  • JACKSONVILLE.- ERIC: OKAY, 30%
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, 30%IMPROVEMENT.
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  • IMPROVEMENT.- J.P.: YEAH, IT DROPPED
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  • - J.P.: YEAH, IT DROPPED28% IN THE FIRST TWO
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  • 28% IN THE FIRST TWOYEARS, AND THEN LEVELED
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  • YEARS, AND THEN LEVELEDOFF AT ABOUT A QUARTER
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  • OFF AT ABOUT A QUARTERDECLINE AFTER A THREE-YEAR
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  • DECLINE AFTER A THREE-YEARPROJECT, AND WE REALLY--
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  • PROJECT, AND WE REALLY--WE WORK THROUGH A LARGE
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  • WE WORK THROUGH A LARGECOALITION.
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  • COALITION.IT WAS AN ECUMENICAL
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  • IT WAS AN ECUMENICALPROJECT OF CHURCHES.
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  • PROJECT OF CHURCHES.FIRST, WE HAVE TO GIVE
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  • FIRST, WE HAVE TO GIVESOME CREDIT, GREAT CREDIT,
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  • SOME CREDIT, GREAT CREDIT,TO OUR FABULOUS PARTNER
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  • TO OUR FABULOUS PARTNERTHERE, WHICH IS LIVE THE
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  • THERE, WHICH IS LIVE THELIFE MINISTRIES, LED BY
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  • LIFE MINISTRIES, LED BYRICHARD ALBERTSON, WHO'S A
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  • RICHARD ALBERTSON, WHO'S AGREAT, GREAT GUY, AND
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  • GREAT, GREAT GUY, ANDDENNIS STOICA.
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  • DENNIS STOICA.AND WORKING WITH THEM, WE
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  • AND WORKING WITH THEM, WEWORKED THROUGH MORE THAN
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  • WORKED THROUGH MORE THAN50 CHURCHES, THE SOUTHERN
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  • 50 CHURCHES, THE SOUTHERNBAPTIST CONVENTION.
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  • BAPTIST CONVENTION.WE WORKED WITH SOME OF THE
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  • WE WORKED WITH SOME OF THELARGEST COMMUNITY BIBLE
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  • LARGEST COMMUNITY BIBLECHURCHES, CELEBRATION
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  • CHURCHES, CELEBRATIONCHURCH.
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  • CHURCH.WE ALSO WORKED WITH
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  • WE ALSO WORKED WITHCATHOLIC PARISHES
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  • CATHOLIC PARISHESTHROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND
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  • THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY ANDMOVED MORE THAN 58.000
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  • MOVED MORE THAN 58.000PEOPLE THROUGH FOUR-HOUR
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  • PEOPLE THROUGH FOUR-HOUROR LONGER COUPLE'S
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  • OR LONGER COUPLE'SRELATIONSHIP EDUCATION,
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  • RELATIONSHIP EDUCATION,MADE MORE THAN SEVERAL
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  • MADE MORE THAN SEVERALMILLION--
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  • MILLION--MILLIONS OF DIGITAL
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  • MILLIONS OF DIGITALIMPRESSIONS
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  • IMPRESSIONSFOCUSED ON THOSE WHO HAD
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  • FOCUSED ON THOSE WHO HADRELATIONSHIP HEALTH RISK
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  • RELATIONSHIP HEALTH RISKBASED ON THE PREDICTIVE
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  • BASED ON THE PREDICTIVEANALYTICS THAT WE'RE
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  • ANALYTICS THAT WE'REWORKING WITH, AND THE
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  • WORKING WITH, AND THERESULTS REALLY SPEAK FOR
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  • RESULTS REALLY SPEAK FORTHEMSELVES.
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  • THEMSELVES.WE HAD INDEPENDENT
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  • WE HAD INDEPENDENTTHIRD-PARTY EVALUATION
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  • THIRD-PARTY EVALUATIONLOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AND
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  • LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED ANDSAY THAT THERE WAS JUST--
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  • SAY THAT THERE WAS JUST--THERE'S NO OTHER FORM OF
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  • THERE'S NO OTHER FORM OFDEMOGRAPHIC EXPLANATION
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  • DEMOGRAPHIC EXPLANATIONFOR THAT SHARP DECLINE.
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  • FOR THAT SHARP DECLINE.- ERIC: WELL, THE REASON
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  • - ERIC: WELL, THE REASONI FIND THIS FUNNY AND
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  • I FIND THIS FUNNY ANDDELIGHTFUL IS THAT YOU
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  • DELIGHTFUL IS THAT YOUONLY WORK WITH CHURCHES,
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  • ONLY WORK WITH CHURCHES,AND IT EFFECTED THAT KIND
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  • AND IT EFFECTED THAT KINDOF NUMBER, THAT KIND OF
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  • OF NUMBER, THAT KIND OFPERCENTAGE ACROSS
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  • PERCENTAGE ACROSSTHE COMMUNITY.
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  • THE COMMUNITY.I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, THAT
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  • I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, THATSAYS A FEW THINGS-- IT
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  • SAYS A FEW THINGS-- ITSAYS ABOUT THE VITALITY
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  • SAYS ABOUT THE VITALITYAND THE IMPORTANCE OF
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  • AND THE IMPORTANCE OFCHURCHES, BUT THEN IT ALSO
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  • CHURCHES, BUT THEN IT ALSOTALKS ABOUT HOW-- IF YOU
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  • TALKS ABOUT HOW-- IF YOUWANNA AFFECT THE
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  • WANNA AFFECT THECOMMUNITY, I'VE ALWAYS
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  • COMMUNITY, I'VE ALWAYSSAID THE CHURCH SHOULD BE
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  • SAID THE CHURCH SHOULD BETHE STARTING POINT.
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  • THE STARTING POINT.YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT.
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  • YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT.- J.P.: YEAH, CHURCHES
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  • - J.P.: YEAH, CHURCHESARE THE GREATEST
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  • ARE THE GREATESTAGGREGATOR OF SOCIAL
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  • AGGREGATOR OF SOCIALCAPITAL IN THE WORLD.
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  • CAPITAL IN THE WORLD.AND SOCIAL CAPITAL, A LOT
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  • AND SOCIAL CAPITAL, A LOTOF SOCIOLOGISTS WOULD SAY,
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  • OF SOCIOLOGISTS WOULD SAY,ON THE LEFT AND ON THE
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  • ON THE LEFT AND ON THERIGHT, SAY THAT SOCIAL
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  • RIGHT, SAY THAT SOCIALCAPITAL IS CRITICAL FOR
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  • CAPITAL IS CRITICAL FORUPWARD MOBILITY.
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  • UPWARD MOBILITY.SOCIAL CAPITAL IS THAT
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  • SOCIAL CAPITAL IS THATINVISIBLE CONNECTION
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  • INVISIBLE CONNECTIONBETWEEN OUR FAMILIES, OUR
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  • BETWEEN OUR FAMILIES, OURVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS,
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  • VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS,AND EVEN OUR CHURCHES, AND
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  • AND EVEN OUR CHURCHES, ANDSO THE MORE OF IT YOU
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  • SO THE MORE OF IT YOUHAVE, THE BETTER OFF EVEN
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  • HAVE, THE BETTER OFF EVENTHE POOREST ARE IN
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  • THE POOREST ARE INTHAT COMMUNITY.
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  • THAT COMMUNITY.AND WHAT WE SAW IS THAT
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  • AND WHAT WE SAW IS THATCHURCHES HAVE THE GREATEST
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  • CHURCHES HAVE THE GREATESTRESERVOIR OF IT BECAUSE
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  • RESERVOIR OF IT BECAUSETHEY'RE MOTIVATED ON
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  • THEY'RE MOTIVATED ONTHE GOSPEL.
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  • THE GOSPEL.THEY'RE MOTIVATED ON LOVE,
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  • THEY'RE MOTIVATED ON LOVE,AND WHEN GIVEN THE RIGHT
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  • AND WHEN GIVEN THE RIGHTTOOLS, I HELP THEM IDENTIFY
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  • TOOLS, I HELP THEM IDENTIFYCHALLENGES IN THEIR
  • 00:05:17.264 --> 00:05:18.132
  • CHALLENGES IN THEIRCOMMUNITY, USING DATA,
  • 00:05:18.132 --> 00:05:19.032
  • COMMUNITY, USING DATA,CHALLENGES IN THEIR
  • 00:05:19.032 --> 00:05:20.267
  • CHALLENGES IN THEIRCONGREGATION, THAT MAKES
  • 00:05:20.267 --> 00:05:21.902
  • CONGREGATION, THAT MAKESIT PERSONAL TO THEM, AND
  • 00:05:21.902 --> 00:05:23.570
  • IT PERSONAL TO THEM, ANDTHEN GIVING THEM EFFECTIVE
  • 00:05:23.570 --> 00:05:25.339
  • THEN GIVING THEM EFFECTIVESTRATEGIES THAT THEY COULD
  • 00:05:25.339 --> 00:05:27.908
  • STRATEGIES THAT THEY COULDAPPLY IN THEIR CHURCH AND
  • 00:05:27.908 --> 00:05:28.809
  • APPLY IN THEIR CHURCH ANDTHEN USING IT AS OUTREACH
  • 00:05:28.809 --> 00:05:30.277
  • THEN USING IT AS OUTREACHIN THEIR COMMUNITY BECAME
  • 00:05:30.277 --> 00:05:31.111
  • IN THEIR COMMUNITY BECAMETRANSFORMATIVE, AND SO
  • 00:05:31.111 --> 00:05:32.479
  • TRANSFORMATIVE, AND SOTHAT UNLEASHED A
  • 00:05:32.479 --> 00:05:33.847
  • THAT UNLEASHED ATREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
  • 00:05:33.847 --> 00:05:36.049
  • TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OFENERGY, VOLUNTEER ENERGY
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  • ENERGY, VOLUNTEER ENERGYAND SOCIAL CAPITAL INTO
  • 00:05:39.086 --> 00:05:39.753
  • AND SOCIAL CAPITAL INTOTHE COMMUNITY.
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  • THE COMMUNITY.- ERIC: WHAT I'M
  • 00:05:40.154 --> 00:05:40.687
  • - ERIC: WHAT I'MGATHERING IS THAT YOU GO
  • 00:05:40.687 --> 00:05:41.188
  • GATHERING IS THAT YOU GOINTO CHURCHES, AND YOU
  • 00:05:41.188 --> 00:05:41.688
  • INTO CHURCHES, AND YOUWORK SPECIFICALLY WITH
  • 00:05:41.688 --> 00:05:42.289
  • WORK SPECIFICALLY WITHEACH CHURCH.
  • 00:05:42.289 --> 00:05:42.990
  • EACH CHURCH.IT'S NOT LIKE A ONE SIZE
  • 00:05:42.990 --> 00:05:44.124
  • IT'S NOT LIKE A ONE SIZEFITS ALL.
  • 00:05:44.124 --> 00:05:44.758
  • FITS ALL.- J.P.: CORRECT.
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  • - J.P.: CORRECT.- ERIC: YOU TRY TO CREATE
  • 00:05:45.359 --> 00:05:46.627
  • - ERIC: YOU TRY TO CREATEA PROGRAM THAT THEY
  • 00:05:46.627 --> 00:05:47.127
  • A PROGRAM THAT THEYCAN UTILIZE.
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  • CAN UTILIZE.- J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • - J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.- ERIC: J.P., I WANNA ASK
  • 00:05:48.862 --> 00:05:50.964
  • - ERIC: J.P., I WANNA ASKYOU ABOUT HOW YOU ENDED UP
  • 00:05:50.964 --> 00:05:52.599
  • YOU ABOUT HOW YOU ENDED UPWHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:05:52.599 --> 00:05:53.600
  • WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.YOU'VE ADOPTED SOME KIDS.
  • 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.102
  • YOU'VE ADOPTED SOME KIDS.YOU'RE YOURSELF MARRIED.
  • 00:05:55.102 --> 00:05:56.670
  • YOU'RE YOURSELF MARRIED.YOU'RE IN THE D.C. AREA.
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  • - J.P.: ABOUT 12 YEARS
  • 00:06:00.507 --> 00:06:03.043
  • - J.P.: ABOUT 12 YEARSAGO, I CAME TO-- YEAH, I
  • 00:06:03.043 --> 00:06:04.244
  • AGO, I CAME TO-- YEAH, ICAME TO D.C., LIKE A LOT
  • 00:06:04.244 --> 00:06:05.112
  • CAME TO D.C., LIKE A LOTOF PEOPLE MOTIVATED ON THE
  • 00:06:05.112 --> 00:06:05.813
  • OF PEOPLE MOTIVATED ON THEIDEA OF TRYING TO SAVE THE
  • 00:06:05.813 --> 00:06:07.414
  • IDEA OF TRYING TO SAVE THECOUNTRY BY FOCUSING ON THE
  • 00:06:07.414 --> 00:06:09.416
  • AND I THINK GOD WORKED A
  • 00:06:10.584 --> 00:06:11.118
  • AND I THINK GOD WORKED AFEW THINGS IN MY LIFE TO
  • 00:06:11.118 --> 00:06:12.085
  • FEW THINGS IN MY LIFE TOREDIRECT ME.
  • 00:06:12.085 --> 00:06:14.021
  • REDIRECT ME.AND 12 YEARS AGO, MY
  • 00:06:14.021 --> 00:06:15.689
  • AND 12 YEARS AGO, MYSISTER CALLED ME, AND SHE
  • 00:06:15.689 --> 00:06:17.124
  • SISTER CALLED ME, AND SHEWAS IN A BAD SPOT AND
  • 00:06:17.124 --> 00:06:18.859
  • WAS IN A BAD SPOT ANDASKED US TO TAKE IN HER
  • 00:06:18.859 --> 00:06:20.194
  • ASKED US TO TAKE IN HERFOUR KIDS, AND I WISH I
  • 00:06:20.194 --> 00:06:24.064
  • FOUR KIDS, AND I WISH ICOULD TELL YOU I
  • 00:06:24.064 --> 00:06:24.665
  • COULD TELL YOU IIMMEDIATELY THOUGHT THAT
  • 00:06:24.665 --> 00:06:26.066
  • IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT THATWAS A GREAT IDEA.
  • 00:06:26.066 --> 00:06:26.967
  • WAS A GREAT IDEA.MY WIFE WAS SUCH A HERO
  • 00:06:26.967 --> 00:06:27.901
  • MY WIFE WAS SUCH A HEROAND PUSHED ME, PUSHED US
  • 00:06:27.901 --> 00:06:29.570
  • AND PUSHED ME, PUSHED USTO DO THAT AND--
  • 00:06:29.570 --> 00:06:30.471
  • TO DO THAT AND--- ERIC: THAT'S A GIGANTIC
  • 00:06:30.471 --> 00:06:31.872
  • - ERIC: THAT'S A GIGANTICCOMMITMENT.
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  • COMMITMENT.- J.P.: YEAH, WE HAD
  • 00:06:32.973 --> 00:06:34.775
  • - J.P.: YEAH, WE HADTHREE LITTLE ONES OF OUR
  • 00:06:34.775 --> 00:06:36.877
  • THREE LITTLE ONES OF OUROWN AT THE TIME, THREE,
  • 00:06:36.877 --> 00:06:37.511
  • OWN AT THE TIME, THREE,DOWN TO ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
  • 00:06:37.511 --> 00:06:38.412
  • DOWN TO ABOUT SIX MONTHS.AND WE GOT A PHD ON
  • 00:06:38.412 --> 00:06:40.647
  • AND WE GOT A PHD ONPARENTING PRETTY QUICK AND
  • 00:06:40.647 --> 00:06:41.982
  • PARENTING PRETTY QUICK ANDMADE A LOT OF MISTAKES,
  • 00:06:41.982 --> 00:06:42.516
  • MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES,AND THEN WE ALSO LEARNED
  • 00:06:42.516 --> 00:06:43.417
  • AND THEN WE ALSO LEARNEDWHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOSE
  • 00:06:43.417 --> 00:06:46.153
  • WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOSEA MOM AND DAD'S DAILY
  • 00:06:46.153 --> 00:06:46.787
  • A MOM AND DAD'S DAILYPRESENCE, AND THAT BECAME
  • 00:06:46.787 --> 00:06:48.288
  • PRESENCE, AND THAT BECAMEREALLY IMPORTANT TO ME ON
  • 00:06:48.288 --> 00:06:49.089
  • REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME ONA PERSONAL LEVEL, AND I
  • 00:06:49.089 --> 00:06:50.858
  • A PERSONAL LEVEL, AND ISTARTED REALLY GRADUALLY
  • 00:06:50.858 --> 00:06:52.059
  • STARTED REALLY GRADUALLYSEEING RELATIONSHIPS IN
  • 00:06:52.059 --> 00:06:54.228
  • SEEING RELATIONSHIPS INOUR CHURCH.
  • 00:06:54.228 --> 00:06:55.562
  • OUR CHURCH.THERE WERE A NUMBER OF
  • 00:06:55.562 --> 00:06:56.597
  • THERE WERE A NUMBER OFDIVORCES, AND I REALLY
  • 00:06:56.597 --> 00:06:58.165
  • DIVORCES, AND I REALLYTHOUGHT THE THINGS THAT I
  • 00:06:58.165 --> 00:06:59.032
  • THOUGHT THE THINGS THAT IWAS INTERESTED IN THE
  • 00:06:59.032 --> 00:07:00.100
  • WAS INTERESTED IN THEPUBLIC POLICY PROCESS WERE
  • 00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:01.235
  • PUBLIC POLICY PROCESS WEREREALLY BEING DRIVEN.
  • 00:07:01.235 --> 00:07:03.070
  • REALLY BEING DRIVEN.I STARTED SEEING MORE AND
  • 00:07:03.070 --> 00:07:04.605
  • I STARTED SEEING MORE ANDMORE BY WHAT WAS GOING ON
  • 00:07:04.605 --> 00:07:06.206
  • MORE BY WHAT WAS GOING ONIN THE HOME, AND IT BECAME
  • 00:07:06.206 --> 00:07:07.474
  • IN THE HOME, AND IT BECAMEBOTH PERSONALLY IMPORTANT
  • 00:07:07.474 --> 00:07:08.575
  • BOTH PERSONALLY IMPORTANTTO ME AND PROFESSIONALLY
  • 00:07:08.575 --> 00:07:09.776
  • TO ME AND PROFESSIONALLYIMPORTANT TO ME, AND SO I
  • 00:07:09.776 --> 00:07:13.380
  • IMPORTANT TO ME, AND SO IMADE A BIG CHANGE ABOUT
  • 00:07:13.380 --> 00:07:13.947
  • MADE A BIG CHANGE ABOUTSEVEN YEARS AGO TO TRYIN'
  • 00:07:13.947 --> 00:07:14.481
  • SEVEN YEARS AGO TO TRYIN'TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COULD
  • 00:07:14.481 --> 00:07:15.115
  • TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COULDBE DONE, APPLYING A LOT OF
  • 00:07:15.115 --> 00:07:16.049
  • BE DONE, APPLYING A LOT OFTHE STRATEGY THAT EXISTS
  • 00:07:16.049 --> 00:07:16.750
  • THE STRATEGY THAT EXISTSIN THE PUBLIC POLICY WORLD
  • 00:07:16.750 --> 00:07:19.119
  • IN THE PUBLIC POLICY WORLDINTO MINISTRY.
  • 00:07:19.119 --> 00:07:19.686
  • INTO MINISTRY.- ERIC: TELL US A LITTLE
  • 00:07:19.686 --> 00:07:20.621
  • - ERIC: TELL US A LITTLEBIT ABOUT THIS IDEA OF
  • 00:07:20.621 --> 00:07:21.555
  • BIT ABOUT THIS IDEA OFSOCIAL CAPITAL 'CAUSE
  • 00:07:21.555 --> 00:07:22.022
  • SOCIAL CAPITAL 'CAUSETHAT'S NOT SOMETHING I
  • 00:07:22.022 --> 00:07:23.891
  • THAT'S NOT SOMETHING IKNOW ABOUT.
  • 00:07:23.891 --> 00:07:24.424
  • KNOW ABOUT.- J.P.: YEAH, A LOT OF
  • 00:07:24.424 --> 00:07:26.126
  • - J.P.: YEAH, A LOT OFTIMES WHEN THE FEDERAL
  • 00:07:26.126 --> 00:07:26.960
  • TIMES WHEN THE FEDERALGOVERNMENT HAS JUMPED INTO
  • 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:27.961
  • GOVERNMENT HAS JUMPED INTOTHIS, TRYING TO SOLVE IT,
  • 00:07:27.961 --> 00:07:28.495
  • THIS, TRYING TO SOLVE IT,THEY'VE GIVEN GRANTS OUT
  • 00:07:28.495 --> 00:07:29.963
  • THEY'VE GIVEN GRANTS OUTTO SECULAR ORGANIZATIONS
  • 00:07:29.963 --> 00:07:31.632
  • TO SECULAR ORGANIZATIONSTO RUN PROGRAMS, AND THEY
  • 00:07:31.632 --> 00:07:32.799
  • TO RUN PROGRAMS, AND THEYUSUALLY HAVE TO PAY PEOPLE
  • 00:07:32.799 --> 00:07:33.367
  • USUALLY HAVE TO PAY PEOPLETO RUN THOSE PROGRAMS, AND
  • 00:07:33.367 --> 00:07:35.569
  • TO RUN THOSE PROGRAMS, ANDWHAT WE STARTED TO
  • 00:07:35.569 --> 00:07:36.270
  • WHAT WE STARTED TOUNDERSTAND IS THAT
  • 00:07:36.270 --> 00:07:37.671
  • UNDERSTAND IS THATCHURCHES WERE A LOT MORE
  • 00:07:37.671 --> 00:07:38.639
  • CHURCHES WERE A LOT MOREEFFICIENT AT BEING ABLE TO
  • 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:40.240
  • EFFICIENT AT BEING ABLE TOSERVE PEOPLE BECAUSE
  • 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:41.275
  • SERVE PEOPLE BECAUSETHEY'RE MOTIVATED, AGAIN,
  • 00:07:41.275 --> 00:07:42.109
  • THEY'RE MOTIVATED, AGAIN,ON LOVE, AND THEY COULD
  • 00:07:42.109 --> 00:07:44.344
  • ON LOVE, AND THEY COULDTAP INTO VOLUNTEER
  • 00:07:44.344 --> 00:07:45.913
  • TAP INTO VOLUNTEERNETWORKS THAT ANY OTHER
  • 00:07:45.913 --> 00:07:47.881
  • NETWORKS THAT ANY OTHERNONPROFITS WEREN'T ABLE TO DO.
  • 00:07:47.881 --> 00:07:49.249
  • NONPROFITS WEREN'T ABLE TO DO.THE OTHER THING IS THAT
  • 00:07:49.249 --> 00:07:49.850
  • THE OTHER THING IS THATTHERE IS A STICKINESS IN
  • 00:07:49.850 --> 00:07:52.052
  • THERE IS A STICKINESS INCHURCHES.
  • 00:07:52.052 --> 00:07:54.087
  • CHURCHES.SO IF ME AND MY SPOUSE GO
  • 00:07:54.087 --> 00:07:55.455
  • SO IF ME AND MY SPOUSE GOTO A CHURCH FOR THE FIRST
  • 00:07:55.455 --> 00:07:56.890
  • TO A CHURCH FOR THE FIRSTTIME OUT FOR A DATE-NIGHT
  • 00:07:56.890 --> 00:07:57.558
  • TIME OUT FOR A DATE-NIGHTEVENT, YOU AND YOUR WIFE
  • 00:07:57.558 --> 00:08:00.027
  • EVENT, YOU AND YOUR WIFEMIGHT MEET ME, AND WE
  • 00:08:00.027 --> 00:08:01.228
  • MIGHT MEET ME, AND WEMIGHT HIT IT OFF.
  • 00:08:01.228 --> 00:08:01.728
  • MIGHT HIT IT OFF.YOU MIGHT EVEN INVITE US
  • 00:08:01.728 --> 00:08:03.330
  • YOU MIGHT EVEN INVITE USOVER FOR DINNER, OR WE
  • 00:08:03.330 --> 00:08:04.164
  • OVER FOR DINNER, OR WEMIGHT BECOME FRIENDS
  • 00:08:04.164 --> 00:08:04.731
  • MIGHT BECOME FRIENDSOUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF
  • 00:08:04.731 --> 00:08:06.133
  • OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OFA PROGRAM.
  • 00:08:06.133 --> 00:08:07.434
  • A PROGRAM.SO IF I CAN UNDERSTAND THE
  • 00:08:07.434 --> 00:08:08.869
  • SO IF I CAN UNDERSTAND THEPERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE
  • 00:08:08.869 --> 00:08:09.937
  • PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLESTRUGGLING IN THEIR
  • 00:08:09.937 --> 00:08:11.138
  • STRUGGLING IN THEIRRELATIONSHIP, AND I CAN
  • 00:08:11.138 --> 00:08:12.539
  • RELATIONSHIP, AND I CANPUT THAT IN THE HANDS OF A
  • 00:08:12.539 --> 00:08:13.574
  • PUT THAT IN THE HANDS OF APASTOR, WHAT WE REALIZE IS
  • 00:08:13.574 --> 00:08:15.075
  • PASTOR, WHAT WE REALIZE ISTHAT, THAT MOTIVATES A
  • 00:08:15.075 --> 00:08:17.210
  • THAT, THAT MOTIVATES APASTOR AND THE LEADERSHIP
  • 00:08:17.210 --> 00:08:18.645
  • PASTOR AND THE LEADERSHIPTEAM AT THAT CHURCH, AND
  • 00:08:18.645 --> 00:08:19.580
  • TEAM AT THAT CHURCH, ANDTHEN BY GIVING THEM THE
  • 00:08:19.580 --> 00:08:21.748
  • THEN BY GIVING THEM THETOOLS TO DO THE KIND OF
  • 00:08:21.748 --> 00:08:22.883
  • TOOLS TO DO THE KIND OFTARGETED OUTREACH AND THEN
  • 00:08:22.883 --> 00:08:23.517
  • TARGETED OUTREACH AND THENNOT HOLDING TIGHTLY ON
  • 00:08:23.517 --> 00:08:25.385
  • NOT HOLDING TIGHTLY ONCONTENT-- SO WE DON'T
  • 00:08:25.385 --> 00:08:27.554
  • CONTENT-- SO WE DON'TWRITE AND AUTHOR CONTENT.
  • 00:08:27.554 --> 00:08:29.356
  • WRITE AND AUTHOR CONTENT.WE WORK WITH 34 OF THE
  • 00:08:29.356 --> 00:08:30.223
  • WE WORK WITH 34 OF THEBEST CONTENT AUTHORS IN
  • 00:08:30.223 --> 00:08:32.125
  • BEST CONTENT AUTHORS INTHE WORLD.
  • 00:08:32.125 --> 00:08:33.594
  • THE WORLD.THAT'S EVIDENCE-BASED
  • 00:08:33.594 --> 00:08:35.028
  • THAT'S EVIDENCE-BASEDCONTENT TO HELP MARRIAGES
  • 00:08:35.028 --> 00:08:36.296
  • CONTENT TO HELP MARRIAGESTHRIVE, AND SO THEN WE CAN
  • 00:08:36.296 --> 00:08:37.397
  • THRIVE, AND SO THEN WE CANHELP A CHURCH FIGURE OUT
  • 00:08:37.397 --> 00:08:39.166
  • HELP A CHURCH FIGURE OUTWHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM,
  • 00:08:39.166 --> 00:08:39.766
  • WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM,THEIR COMMUNITY, THEIR
  • 00:08:39.766 --> 00:08:40.734
  • THEIR COMMUNITY, THEIRCONTEXT, AND WE HELP THEM
  • 00:08:40.734 --> 00:08:41.268
  • CONTEXT, AND WE HELP THEMDESIGN A STRATEGY FOR
  • 00:08:41.268 --> 00:08:43.503
  • DESIGN A STRATEGY FOROUTREACH.
  • 00:08:43.503 --> 00:08:44.171
  • OUTREACH.- ERIC: JUST TO SHOW
  • 00:08:44.171 --> 00:08:44.771
  • - ERIC: JUST TO SHOWPEOPLE WHAT WE'RE TALKIN'
  • 00:08:44.771 --> 00:08:45.539
  • PEOPLE WHAT WE'RE TALKIN'ABOUT, I'VE GOT A CLIP I'D
  • 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:46.239
  • ABOUT, I'VE GOT A CLIP I'DLIKE TO PLAY FROM A
  • 00:08:46.239 --> 00:08:48.475
  • LIKE TO PLAY FROM AMARRIAGE THAT WAS SAVED.
  • 00:08:48.475 --> 00:08:50.911
  • MARRIAGE THAT WAS SAVED.THIS IS CHRISTOPHER AND
  • 00:08:50.911 --> 00:08:52.312
  • THIS IS CHRISTOPHER ANDLACRESHA HANNAH FROM
  • 00:08:52.312 --> 00:08:53.246
  • LACRESHA HANNAH FROMJACKSONVILLE.
  • 00:08:53.246 --> 00:08:57.384
  • JACKSONVILLE.LET'S SEE THAT CLIP.
  • 00:08:57.384 --> 00:09:01.088
  • LET'S SEE THAT CLIP.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- CHRISTOPHER HANNAH: I
  • 00:09:01.622 --> 00:09:02.255
  • - CHRISTOPHER HANNAH: ILOOKED AT MY UPBRINGING
  • 00:09:02.255 --> 00:09:03.190
  • LOOKED AT MY UPBRINGINGFROM A SINGLE-MOM
  • 00:09:03.190 --> 00:09:05.726
  • FROM A SINGLE-MOMHOUSEHOLD, AND I JUST SAW
  • 00:09:05.726 --> 00:09:06.393
  • HOUSEHOLD, AND I JUST SAWTHAT, WHAT WE WAS GOIN'
  • 00:09:06.393 --> 00:09:08.328
  • THAT, WHAT WE WAS GOIN'THROUGH, HOW MUCH OF A
  • 00:09:08.328 --> 00:09:09.162
  • THROUGH, HOW MUCH OF AGREATER IMPACT THAN JUST
  • 00:09:09.162 --> 00:09:11.698
  • GREATER IMPACT THAN JUSTMY WIFE AND I.
  • 00:09:11.698 --> 00:09:13.333
  • MY WIFE AND I.I SAW THE GREATER, BIGGER
  • 00:09:13.333 --> 00:09:16.136
  • I SAW THE GREATER, BIGGERPICTURE THAT IT AFFECTS
  • 00:09:16.136 --> 00:09:16.737
  • PICTURE THAT IT AFFECTSGENERATIONS DOWN THE LINE.
  • 00:09:16.737 --> 00:09:19.706
  • GENERATIONS DOWN THE LINE.SO WE WENT TO COUNSELIN'
  • 00:09:19.706 --> 00:09:22.476
  • SO WE WENT TO COUNSELIN'AND, OF COURSE, SHE SIGNED
  • 00:09:22.476 --> 00:09:25.879
  • AND, OF COURSE, SHE SIGNEDUS UP FOR THE MARRIAGE CLASS.
  • 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:26.913
  • US UP FOR THE MARRIAGE CLASS.[MUSIC]
  • 00:09:26.913 --> 00:09:27.447
  • [MUSIC]- LACRESHA HANNAH: THEY
  • 00:09:27.447 --> 00:09:28.181
  • - LACRESHA HANNAH: THEYTAUGHT US HOW TO
  • 00:09:28.181 --> 00:09:29.416
  • TAUGHT US HOW TOCOMMUNICATE BETTER AND HOW
  • 00:09:29.416 --> 00:09:29.983
  • COMMUNICATE BETTER AND HOWTO EXPRESS MYSELF, AND HOW
  • 00:09:29.983 --> 00:09:33.186
  • TO EXPRESS MYSELF, AND HOWTO EXPLAIN HOW I WAS FEELING.
  • 00:09:33.186 --> 00:09:34.154
  • TO EXPLAIN HOW I WAS FEELING.- CHRISTOPHER: HAVING
  • 00:09:34.154 --> 00:09:34.955
  • - CHRISTOPHER: HAVINGTHESE CLASSES WAS JUST
  • 00:09:34.955 --> 00:09:38.892
  • THESE CLASSES WAS JUSTLIKE A CONTINUING EDUCATION.
  • 00:09:38.892 --> 00:09:39.459
  • LIKE A CONTINUING EDUCATION.IT GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY
  • 00:09:39.459 --> 00:09:40.027
  • IT GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITYTO SAY HOW MY DAY WAS, AND
  • 00:09:40.027 --> 00:09:42.429
  • TO SAY HOW MY DAY WAS, ANDLISTEN TO YOUR DAY.
  • 00:09:42.429 --> 00:09:44.097
  • LISTEN TO YOUR DAY.WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WE
  • 00:09:44.097 --> 00:09:44.698
  • WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WEDON'T HAVE TIME, BUT YOU
  • 00:09:44.698 --> 00:09:45.732
  • DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT YOUALWAYS HAVE TIME FOR WHAT
  • 00:09:45.732 --> 00:09:48.468
  • ALWAYS HAVE TIME FOR WHATYOU TRULY VALUE.
  • 00:09:48.468 --> 00:09:49.636
  • YOU TRULY VALUE.THOSE TEN MINUTES A DAY OR
  • 00:09:49.636 --> 00:09:52.139
  • THOSE TEN MINUTES A DAY OREVERY OTHER DAY, TO ME, IS
  • 00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:53.106
  • EVERY OTHER DAY, TO ME, ISWHAT REALLY PIVOTED OUR
  • 00:09:53.106 --> 00:09:58.412
  • WHAT REALLY PIVOTED OURMARRIAGE.
  • 00:09:58.412 --> 00:10:00.781
  • MARRIAGE.[MUSIC]
  • 00:10:00.781 --> 00:10:01.548
  • [MUSIC]- ERIC: J.P., TELL US
  • 00:10:01.548 --> 00:10:02.049
  • - ERIC: J.P., TELL USABOUT THE CLIP WE JUST
  • 00:10:02.049 --> 00:10:02.849
  • ABOUT THE CLIP WE JUSTHEARD.
  • 00:10:02.849 --> 00:10:03.950
  • HEARD.I'M MOVED WHEN I THINK OF
  • 00:10:03.950 --> 00:10:05.252
  • I'M MOVED WHEN I THINK OFHOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:10:05.252 --> 00:10:06.853
  • - J.P.: YOU CAN GET LOST
  • 00:10:08.088 --> 00:10:08.488
  • - J.P.: YOU CAN GET LOSTIN THE NUMBERS.
  • 00:10:08.488 --> 00:10:09.456
  • IN THE NUMBERS.THERE WAS THREE-YEAR HUGE
  • 00:10:09.456 --> 00:10:11.091
  • THERE WAS THREE-YEAR HUGEDECLINE IN DIVORCE, 24%
  • 00:10:11.091 --> 00:10:12.292
  • DECLINE IN DIVORCE, 24%OVER THREE YEARS, AND THEN
  • 00:10:12.292 --> 00:10:14.828
  • OVER THREE YEARS, AND THEN58.912 THROUGH FOUR-HOUR
  • 00:10:14.828 --> 00:10:16.663
  • BUT BEHIND ALL THOSE
  • 00:10:18.131 --> 00:10:18.699
  • BUT BEHIND ALL THOSENUMBERS ARE STORIES OF
  • 00:10:18.699 --> 00:10:19.166
  • NUMBERS ARE STORIES OFREAL PEOPLE.
  • 00:10:19.166 --> 00:10:19.733
  • REAL PEOPLE.- ERIC: I MEAN, I BELIEVE
  • 00:10:19.733 --> 00:10:20.233
  • - ERIC: I MEAN, I BELIEVETHIS KIND OF THING CAN
  • 00:10:20.233 --> 00:10:21.168
  • THIS KIND OF THING CANLEAD TO REVIVAL IN AMERICA.
  • 00:10:21.168 --> 00:10:22.903
  • LEAD TO REVIVAL IN AMERICA.THIS IS JUST HUGE.
  • 00:10:22.903 --> 00:10:24.371
  • THIS IS JUST HUGE.I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO'S
  • 00:10:24.371 --> 00:10:25.839
  • I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO'SIN A MARRIAGE THAT'S
  • 00:10:25.839 --> 00:10:26.473
  • IN A MARRIAGE THAT'SHAVING TROUBLE THAT
  • 00:10:26.473 --> 00:10:30.410
  • HAVING TROUBLE THATDOESN'T WANNA FIX IT.
  • 00:10:30.410 --> 00:10:30.877
  • DOESN'T WANNA FIX IT.SO THIS IS VERY
  • 00:10:30.877 --> 00:10:31.678
  • SO THIS IS VERYINTERESTING, TO ME,
  • 00:10:31.678 --> 00:10:32.746
  • INTERESTING, TO ME,BECAUSE YOU'RE SORT OF AT
  • 00:10:32.746 --> 00:10:33.246
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE SORT OF ATA PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:10:33.246 --> 00:10:35.816
  • A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE AREHUNGRY FOR THIS.
  • 00:10:35.816 --> 00:10:36.383
  • HUNGRY FOR THIS.THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE
  • 00:10:36.383 --> 00:10:38.085
  • THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHERETHE HECK TO GO.
  • 00:10:38.085 --> 00:10:38.585
  • THE HECK TO GO.- J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:10:38.585 --> 00:10:39.386
  • - J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.- ERIC: SUDDENLY, YOU
  • 00:10:39.386 --> 00:10:41.555
  • - ERIC: SUDDENLY, YOUGUYS HAVE DONE THIS THING
  • 00:10:41.555 --> 00:10:42.689
  • GUYS HAVE DONE THIS THINGTHAT YOU CALL COMMUNIO.
  • 00:10:42.689 --> 00:10:44.091
  • THAT YOU CALL COMMUNIO.THIS IS LIKE THE PROVERBIAL
  • 00:10:44.091 --> 00:10:46.093
  • THIS IS LIKE THE PROVERBIALFELT NEED, RIGHT?
  • 00:10:46.093 --> 00:10:46.860
  • FELT NEED, RIGHT?- J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:10:46.860 --> 00:10:47.427
  • - J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.- ERIC: AND THAT CHURCHES
  • 00:10:47.427 --> 00:10:48.662
  • - ERIC: AND THAT CHURCHESWERE ALWAYS THINKING, "HOW
  • 00:10:48.662 --> 00:10:49.496
  • WERE ALWAYS THINKING, "HOWCAN WE REACH OUT TO OUR
  • 00:10:49.496 --> 00:10:50.030
  • CAN WE REACH OUT TO OURCOMMUNITY?
  • 00:10:50.030 --> 00:10:50.831
  • COMMUNITY?HOW CAN WE OFFER HELP TO
  • 00:10:50.831 --> 00:10:51.398
  • HOW CAN WE OFFER HELP TOOUR COMMUNITY?"
  • 00:10:51.398 --> 00:10:53.433
  • OUR COMMUNITY?"THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR WAYS.
  • 00:10:53.433 --> 00:10:54.601
  • THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR WAYS.THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
  • 00:10:54.601 --> 00:10:55.469
  • THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE.THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO
  • 00:10:55.469 --> 00:10:56.636
  • THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TOTURN, AND IF YOU CAN LET
  • 00:10:56.636 --> 00:10:57.771
  • TURN, AND IF YOU CAN LETTHEM KNOW,
  • 00:10:57.771 --> 00:10:58.638
  • THEM KNOW,"IF YOU COME HERE,
  • 00:10:58.638 --> 00:10:59.639
  • "IF YOU COME HERE,WE'VE GOT SOMETHING
  • 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:00.707
  • WE'VE GOT SOMETHINGTHAT CAN HELP YOUR MARRIAGE,"
  • 00:11:00.707 --> 00:11:02.342
  • THAT CAN HELP YOUR MARRIAGE,"THAT'S PRETTY BIG.
  • 00:11:02.342 --> 00:11:03.243
  • THAT'S PRETTY BIG.- J.P.: HUGE, AND THE
  • 00:11:03.243 --> 00:11:04.411
  • - J.P.: HUGE, AND THECULTURE'S BEEN LYING TO US
  • 00:11:04.411 --> 00:11:05.479
  • CULTURE'S BEEN LYING TO USFOR THE LAST 60 YEARS
  • 00:11:05.479 --> 00:11:06.980
  • FOR THE LAST 60 YEARSABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIPS,
  • 00:11:06.980 --> 00:11:09.049
  • ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIPS,AND 75% OF MILLENNIALS
  • 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:10.350
  • AND 75% OF MILLENNIALSWANNA GET MARRIED AND ARE
  • 00:11:10.350 --> 00:11:12.152
  • WANNA GET MARRIED AND AREINTERESTED IN MARRIAGE.
  • 00:11:12.152 --> 00:11:14.121
  • INTERESTED IN MARRIAGE.THE CULTURE IS TELLING
  • 00:11:14.121 --> 00:11:15.255
  • THE CULTURE IS TELLINGTHEM ALL SORTS OF
  • 00:11:15.255 --> 00:11:16.323
  • THEM ALL SORTS OFBEHAVIORS THAT--
  • 00:11:16.323 --> 00:11:18.725
  • BEHAVIORS THAT--AND INTERESTS THAT WILL LEAD
  • 00:11:18.725 --> 00:11:19.526
  • AND INTERESTS THAT WILL LEADTHEM IN A DIRECTION THAT
  • 00:11:19.526 --> 00:11:21.695
  • THEM IN A DIRECTION THATWILL UNDERMINE THEIR
  • 00:11:21.695 --> 00:11:22.863
  • WILL UNDERMINE THEIRFUTURE MARRIAGES.
  • 00:11:22.863 --> 00:11:24.197
  • FUTURE MARRIAGES.THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED ARE
  • 00:11:24.197 --> 00:11:25.098
  • THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED AREBEING BOMBARDED WITH
  • 00:11:25.098 --> 00:11:27.267
  • BEING BOMBARDED WITHMESSAGES UNDERMINING THEIR
  • 00:11:27.267 --> 00:11:29.870
  • MESSAGES UNDERMINING THEIRRELATIONSHIP HEALTH,
  • 00:11:29.870 --> 00:11:31.538
  • RELATIONSHIP HEALTH,AND SO THE CHURCH CAN BE THAT
  • 00:11:31.538 --> 00:11:32.939
  • AND SO THE CHURCH CAN BE THATPLACE OF HEALING,
  • 00:11:32.939 --> 00:11:34.341
  • PLACE OF HEALING,THE PLACE OF RENEWAL,
  • 00:11:34.341 --> 00:11:35.675
  • THE PLACE OF RENEWAL,AND THE FRAMEWORK THAT
  • 00:11:35.675 --> 00:11:37.177
  • AND THE FRAMEWORK THATWE'RE SHOWING AND HELPING
  • 00:11:37.177 --> 00:11:39.012
  • WE'RE SHOWING AND HELPINGCHURCHES BUILD OUT CAN BE
  • 00:11:39.012 --> 00:11:40.046
  • CHURCHES BUILD OUT CAN BEAPPLIED IN THEIR OWN WAY.
  • 00:11:40.046 --> 00:11:40.814
  • APPLIED IN THEIR OWN WAY.SO THE PASTOR IS IN CHARGE
  • 00:11:40.814 --> 00:11:42.349
  • SO THE PASTOR IS IN CHARGEOF THE CONTENT AND HOW
  • 00:11:42.349 --> 00:11:45.218
  • OF THE CONTENT AND HOWIT'S DELIVERED.
  • 00:11:45.218 --> 00:11:46.920
  • IT'S DELIVERED.WE GIVE THEM A FRAMEWORK
  • 00:11:46.920 --> 00:11:47.454
  • WE GIVE THEM A FRAMEWORKWHERE WE'VE TESTED A LOT
  • 00:11:47.454 --> 00:11:48.622
  • WHERE WE'VE TESTED A LOTOF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT
  • 00:11:48.622 --> 00:11:49.856
  • OF DIFFERENT WAYS THATTHIS IS APPLIED, AND IT
  • 00:11:49.856 --> 00:11:51.224
  • THIS IS APPLIED, AND ITCAN LOOK DIFFERENTLY IN A
  • 00:11:51.224 --> 00:11:52.192
  • CAN LOOK DIFFERENTLY IN AHISPANIC EVANGELICAL
  • 00:11:52.192 --> 00:11:54.928
  • HISPANIC EVANGELICALCHURCH IN A DOWNTOWN AREA
  • 00:11:54.928 --> 00:11:56.396
  • CHURCH IN A DOWNTOWN AREAVERSUS A WHITE SUBURBAN
  • 00:11:56.396 --> 00:11:58.198
  • VERSUS A WHITE SUBURBANCHURCH, AND EVERYTHING
  • 00:11:58.198 --> 00:12:00.066
  • CHURCH, AND EVERYTHINGIN BETWEEN.
  • 00:12:00.066 --> 00:12:00.500
  • IN BETWEEN.- ERIC: AND SO, DO
  • 00:12:00.500 --> 00:12:02.135
  • - ERIC: AND SO, DOCHURCHES REACH OUT TO
  • 00:12:02.135 --> 00:12:03.203
  • CHURCHES REACH OUT TOCOMMUNIO.ORG, AND SAY, "WE
  • 00:12:03.203 --> 00:12:03.904
  • COMMUNIO.ORG, AND SAY, "WEWANT THIS HERE"?
  • 00:12:03.904 --> 00:12:04.805
  • WANT THIS HERE"?- J.P.: THEY ARE, AND
  • 00:12:04.805 --> 00:12:05.906
  • - J.P.: THEY ARE, ANDTHEY HAVE BEEN, AND SO
  • 00:12:05.906 --> 00:12:06.406
  • THEY HAVE BEEN, AND SOTHEY CAN GO TO
  • 00:12:06.406 --> 00:12:07.007
  • THEY CAN GO TOCOMMUNIO.ORG.
  • 00:12:07.007 --> 00:12:08.074
  • COMMUNIO.ORG.THEY CAN E-MAIL US AT
  • 00:12:08.074 --> 00:12:09.743
  • THEY CAN E-MAIL US ATPLATFORM@COMMUNIO.ORG, AND
  • 00:12:09.743 --> 00:12:13.046
  • PLATFORM@COMMUNIO.ORG, ANDTHEN WE HAVE A
  • 00:12:13.046 --> 00:12:14.314
  • THEN WE HAVE ACONVERSATION AND HELP THEM
  • 00:12:14.314 --> 00:12:14.915
  • CONVERSATION AND HELP THEMSTART FIGURING OUT HOW WE
  • 00:12:14.915 --> 00:12:16.316
  • START FIGURING OUT HOW WECAN GET TO WORK IN
  • 00:12:16.316 --> 00:12:17.684
  • CAN GET TO WORK INCONSULTING AND
  • 00:12:17.684 --> 00:12:19.186
  • CONSULTING ANDSERVING THEM.
  • 00:12:19.186 --> 00:12:19.753
  • SERVING THEM.- ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY,
  • 00:12:19.753 --> 00:12:20.654
  • - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY,IT'S ALMOST FUNNY 'CAUSE I
  • 00:12:20.654 --> 00:12:21.721
  • IT'S ALMOST FUNNY 'CAUSE IKNOW IN THE NOTES, IT SAYS
  • 00:12:21.721 --> 00:12:22.389
  • KNOW IN THE NOTES, IT SAYSTHAT "CHURCH ATTENDANCE
  • 00:12:22.389 --> 00:12:23.757
  • THAT "CHURCH ATTENDANCERISES.
  • 00:12:23.757 --> 00:12:25.225
  • RISES.TITHING GOES UP."
  • 00:12:25.225 --> 00:12:26.259
  • TITHING GOES UP."NOW, I DON'T KNOW ANY
  • 00:12:26.259 --> 00:12:27.294
  • NOW, I DON'T KNOW ANYCHURCH THAT DOESN'T
  • 00:12:27.294 --> 00:12:28.228
  • CHURCH THAT DOESN'TWANT THAT, AND
  • 00:12:28.228 --> 00:12:29.462
  • WANT THAT, ANDIT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE
  • 00:12:29.462 --> 00:12:30.063
  • IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RETRYING TO BE CYNICAL.
  • 00:12:30.063 --> 00:12:30.764
  • TRYING TO BE CYNICAL.- J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:12:30.764 --> 00:12:31.498
  • - J.P.: THAT'S RIGHT.STRONG MARRIAGES ARE GREAT
  • 00:12:31.498 --> 00:12:33.133
  • STRONG MARRIAGES ARE GREATFOR THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:12:33.133 --> 00:12:35.235
  • FOR THE COUNTRY.WE KNOW THEY'RE GREAT FOR
  • 00:12:35.235 --> 00:12:35.769
  • WE KNOW THEY'RE GREAT FORCOMMUNITIES, AND IT TURNS
  • 00:12:35.769 --> 00:12:36.736
  • COMMUNITIES, AND IT TURNSOUT THEY'RE PHENOMENAL FOR
  • 00:12:36.736 --> 00:12:37.237
  • OUT THEY'RE PHENOMENAL FORCHURCHES.
  • 00:12:37.237 --> 00:12:38.405
  • CHURCHES.MARRIAGE IS NOT A NICE
  • 00:12:38.405 --> 00:12:39.706
  • MARRIAGE IS NOT A NICESIDESHOW.
  • 00:12:39.706 --> 00:12:42.142
  • SIDESHOW.IT'S ACTUALLY ABSOLUTELY
  • 00:12:42.142 --> 00:12:42.576
  • IT'S ACTUALLY ABSOLUTELYCENTRAL FOR
  • 00:12:42.576 --> 00:12:44.044
  • CENTRAL FOREVANGELIZATION, AND THE
  • 00:12:44.044 --> 00:12:45.212
  • EVANGELIZATION, AND THECHURCH NEEDS TO EMBRACE
  • 00:12:45.212 --> 00:12:49.316
  • CHURCH NEEDS TO EMBRACEMARRIAGE MINISTRIES
  • 00:12:49.316 --> 00:12:49.950
  • MARRIAGE MINISTRIESSTRATEGICALLY TO GROW THE
  • 00:12:49.950 --> 00:12:50.784
  • STRATEGICALLY TO GROW THECHURCH.
  • 00:12:50.784 --> 00:12:51.251
  • CHURCH.- ERIC: THERE'S NO
  • 00:12:51.251 --> 00:12:51.585
  • - ERIC: THERE'S NOQUESTION.
  • 00:12:51.585 --> 00:12:52.252
  • QUESTION.WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT I
  • 00:12:52.252 --> 00:12:53.053
  • WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT IJUST WANNA SAY THAT, IN MY
  • 00:12:53.053 --> 00:12:53.620
  • JUST WANNA SAY THAT, IN MYMIND, THIS IS THE KEY TO
  • 00:12:53.620 --> 00:12:56.823
  • MIND, THIS IS THE KEY TOEVERYTHING.
  • 00:12:56.823 --> 00:12:58.191
  • EVERYTHING.THIS IS GOD'S PLAN FOR
  • 00:12:58.191 --> 00:12:59.893
  • THIS IS GOD'S PLAN FOREVERYTHING, AND IT'S GREAT
  • 00:12:59.893 --> 00:13:01.695
  • EVERYTHING, AND IT'S GREATTHAT THERE'S A PLACE
  • 00:13:01.695 --> 00:13:02.629
  • - J.P.: IT WAS THERE IN
  • 00:13:03.630 --> 00:13:03.997
  • - J.P.: IT WAS THERE INTHE BEGINNING.
  • 00:13:03.997 --> 00:13:05.599
  • THE BEGINNING.- ERIC: COMMUNIO.ORG.
  • 00:13:05.599 --> 00:13:06.299
  • - ERIC: COMMUNIO.ORG.COMMUNIO.ORG.
  • 00:13:06.299 --> 00:13:06.867
  • COMMUNIO.ORG.I KNOW FOLKS ARE CHECKIN'
  • 00:13:06.867 --> 00:13:07.467
  • I KNOW FOLKS ARE CHECKIN'IT OUT NOW.
  • 00:13:07.467 --> 00:13:08.268
  • IT OUT NOW.I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL,
  • 00:13:08.268 --> 00:13:09.669
  • I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL,J.P. DE GANCE.
  • 00:13:09.669 --> 00:13:10.937
  • J.P. DE GANCE.THANK YOU.
  • 00:13:10.937 --> 00:13:12.939
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:13:13.542 --> 00:13:18.814
  • [MUSIC][MUSIC]
  • 00:13:18.814 --> 00:13:19.915
  • IT'S "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
  • 00:13:21.283 --> 00:13:22.050
  • IT'S "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:13:22.050 --> 00:13:24.986
  • GUESS WHAT?I HAVE PASTOR ROBERT
  • 00:13:24.986 --> 00:13:26.121
  • I HAVE PASTOR ROBERTJEFFRESS ON THE PROGRAM.
  • 00:13:26.121 --> 00:13:27.722
  • JEFFRESS ON THE PROGRAM.WE HAVE HIM VIA SKYPE, SO
  • 00:13:27.722 --> 00:13:29.724
  • IT'S JUST LIKE HE'S IN THE
  • 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:31.159
  • IT'S JUST LIKE HE'S IN THESTUDIO.
  • 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:32.127
  • STUDIO.PASTOR JEFFRESS, WELCOME.
  • 00:13:32.127 --> 00:13:33.161
  • PASTOR JEFFRESS, WELCOME.- DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS:
  • 00:13:33.161 --> 00:13:35.030
  • - DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS:GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN, ERIC.
  • 00:13:35.030 --> 00:13:35.597
  • GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN, ERIC.- ERIC: GREAT TO SEE YOU
  • 00:13:35.597 --> 00:13:36.131
  • - ERIC: GREAT TO SEE YOUAGAIN, AND GREAT TO SEE
  • 00:13:36.131 --> 00:13:36.798
  • AGAIN, AND GREAT TO SEETHAT YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK OUT.
  • 00:13:36.798 --> 00:13:37.933
  • THAT YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK OUT.I'M, OF COURSE, FAMILIAR
  • 00:13:37.933 --> 00:13:39.000
  • I'M, OF COURSE, FAMILIARWITH THE BOOK, SO I'LL TRY
  • 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:39.968
  • WITH THE BOOK, SO I'LL TRYNOT TO TALK TOO MUCH.
  • 00:13:39.968 --> 00:13:40.635
  • NOT TO TALK TOO MUCH.IT'S BETTER WHEN I DON'T
  • 00:13:40.635 --> 00:13:41.436
  • IT'S BETTER WHEN I DON'TREAD THE BOOK 'CAUSE I
  • 00:13:41.436 --> 00:13:43.004
  • READ THE BOOK 'CAUSE IJUST SHUT UP.
  • 00:13:43.004 --> 00:13:43.738
  • JUST SHUT UP.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:43.738 --> 00:13:45.207
  • [LAUGHTER]THE BOOK IS CALLED
  • 00:13:45.207 --> 00:13:45.774
  • THE BOOK IS CALLED"COURAGEOUS: 10 STRATEGIES
  • 00:13:45.774 --> 00:13:46.341
  • "COURAGEOUS: 10 STRATEGIESFOR THRIVING IN A HOSTILE
  • 00:13:46.341 --> 00:13:49.344
  • FOR THRIVING IN A HOSTILEWORLD."
  • 00:13:49.344 --> 00:13:49.845
  • WORLD."NOW, FOR FOLKS WHO
  • 00:13:49.845 --> 00:13:50.445
  • NOW, FOR FOLKS WHODON'T KNOW YOU, YOU'RE
  • 00:13:50.445 --> 00:13:51.847
  • DON'T KNOW YOU, YOU'RESENIOR PASTOR AT FIRST
  • 00:13:51.847 --> 00:13:53.548
  • SENIOR PASTOR AT FIRSTBAPTIST CHURCH IN DALLAS,
  • 00:13:53.548 --> 00:13:56.051
  • BAPTIST CHURCH IN DALLAS,WHERE I HAVE PREACHED.
  • 00:13:56.051 --> 00:13:56.785
  • WHERE I HAVE PREACHED.WHAT AN AMAZING CHURCH
  • 00:13:56.785 --> 00:13:58.887
  • WHAT AN AMAZING CHURCHYOU HAVE.
  • 00:13:58.887 --> 00:13:59.421
  • YOU HAVE.I JUST WANNA SAY THAT UP
  • 00:13:59.421 --> 00:14:01.223
  • I JUST WANNA SAY THAT UPFRONT.
  • 00:14:01.223 --> 00:14:02.057
  • FRONT.I'M HAPPY TO SAY I THINK
  • 00:14:02.057 --> 00:14:03.625
  • I'M HAPPY TO SAY I THINKYOU'RE AWARE OF HOW
  • 00:14:03.625 --> 00:14:04.593
  • YOU'RE AWARE OF HOWAMAZING IT IS, AND I DON'T
  • 00:14:04.593 --> 00:14:05.694
  • AMAZING IT IS, AND I DON'TJUST MEAN BIG.
  • 00:14:05.694 --> 00:14:06.995
  • JUST MEAN BIG.IT'S JUST A MAGNIFICENT--
  • 00:14:06.995 --> 00:14:07.562
  • IT'S JUST A MAGNIFICENT--IT'S A MAGNIFICENT CHURCH.
  • 00:14:07.562 --> 00:14:08.597
  • IT'S A MAGNIFICENT CHURCH.I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING
  • 00:14:08.597 --> 00:14:10.565
  • I LOOK FORWARD TO BEINGWITH YOU THERE AGAIN.
  • 00:14:10.565 --> 00:14:11.833
  • WITH YOU THERE AGAIN.BUT YOU'RE ALSO KNOWN FOR
  • 00:14:11.833 --> 00:14:12.634
  • BUT YOU'RE ALSO KNOWN FORSPEAKING ON POLITICAL
  • 00:14:12.634 --> 00:14:13.435
  • SPEAKING ON POLITICALMATTERS.
  • 00:14:13.435 --> 00:14:14.903
  • MATTERS.SO THIS BOOK,
  • 00:14:14.903 --> 00:14:16.771
  • SO THIS BOOK,"COURAGEOUS," WHAT IS IT,
  • 00:14:16.771 --> 00:14:17.439
  • "COURAGEOUS," WHAT IS IT,FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T KNOW
  • 00:14:17.439 --> 00:14:18.773
  • - ROBERT: WELL, THIS BOOK
  • 00:14:20.909 --> 00:14:21.776
  • - ROBERT: WELL, THIS BOOKIS NOT JUST A CULTURE-WAR
  • 00:14:21.776 --> 00:14:22.244
  • IS NOT JUST A CULTURE-WARBOOK.
  • 00:14:22.244 --> 00:14:23.812
  • BOOK.IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
  • 00:14:23.812 --> 00:14:24.713
  • IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.YOU KNOW, C.S. LEWIS
  • 00:14:24.713 --> 00:14:26.181
  • YOU KNOW, C.S. LEWISDESCRIBED THIS WORLD
  • 00:14:26.181 --> 00:14:28.383
  • DESCRIBED THIS WORLDAS "ENEMY-OCCUPIED TERRITORY,"
  • 00:14:28.383 --> 00:14:29.918
  • AS "ENEMY-OCCUPIED TERRITORY,"AND IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:14:29.918 --> 00:14:30.352
  • AND IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIANTRYING TO LIVE OUT
  • 00:14:30.352 --> 00:14:31.353
  • YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PHRASE.
  • 00:14:34.789 --> 00:14:35.490
  • YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PHRASE.I MEAN, ERIC, THINK ABOUT
  • 00:14:35.490 --> 00:14:36.157
  • I MEAN, ERIC, THINK ABOUTIT: WE HAVE INCOMING,
  • 00:14:36.157 --> 00:14:37.292
  • IT: WE HAVE INCOMING,COMING IN FROM EVERY DIRECTION.
  • 00:14:37.292 --> 00:14:38.326
  • COMING IN FROM EVERY DIRECTION.IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, YOU
  • 00:14:38.326 --> 00:14:39.928
  • IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, YOUHAVE ATTACKS FROM WITHOUT,
  • 00:14:39.928 --> 00:14:40.962
  • HAVE ATTACKS FROM WITHOUT,A CULTURE THAT'S
  • 00:14:40.962 --> 00:14:42.197
  • A CULTURE THAT'SINCREASINGLY HOSTILE
  • 00:14:42.197 --> 00:14:43.331
  • INCREASINGLY HOSTILETOWARD GOD, NOT TO MENTION
  • 00:14:43.331 --> 00:14:43.899
  • TOWARD GOD, NOT TO MENTIONJUST THE EVERYDAY
  • 00:14:43.899 --> 00:14:44.766
  • JUST THE EVERYDAYCHALLENGES LIKE
  • 00:14:44.766 --> 00:14:47.936
  • CHALLENGES LIKECORONAVIRUS OR TORNADOES,
  • 00:14:47.936 --> 00:14:49.237
  • CORONAVIRUS OR TORNADOES,OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU FACE.
  • 00:14:49.237 --> 00:14:50.872
  • OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU FACE.WE HAVE ATTACKS FROM WITHIN.
  • 00:14:50.872 --> 00:14:52.274
  • WE HAVE ATTACKS FROM WITHIN.WE HAVE AN OLD SIN NATURE,
  • 00:14:52.274 --> 00:14:53.541
  • WE HAVE AN OLD SIN NATURE,AT LEAST THE RESIDUE OF
  • 00:14:53.541 --> 00:14:54.676
  • AT LEAST THE RESIDUE OFIT, THAT PULLS US AWAY
  • 00:14:54.676 --> 00:14:55.744
  • IT, THAT PULLS US AWAYFROM GOD, AND IF IT
  • 00:14:55.744 --> 00:14:56.244
  • FROM GOD, AND IF ITWEREN'T ENOUGH, WE HAVE
  • 00:14:56.244 --> 00:14:57.746
  • WEREN'T ENOUGH, WE HAVEATTACKS FROM BELOW.
  • 00:14:57.746 --> 00:14:59.281
  • ATTACKS FROM BELOW.WE HAVE AN ADVERSARY,
  • 00:14:59.281 --> 00:15:00.282
  • WE HAVE AN ADVERSARY,SATAN, WHO IS ABSOLUTELY
  • 00:15:00.282 --> 00:15:02.250
  • SATAN, WHO IS ABSOLUTELYHELL-BENT ON DESTROYING
  • 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:04.452
  • HELL-BENT ON DESTROYINGEVERYTHING IMPORTANT TO
  • 00:15:04.452 --> 00:15:05.921
  • EVERYTHING IMPORTANT TOUS, AND, YET IN SPITE OF
  • 00:15:05.921 --> 00:15:07.656
  • I BELIEVE GOD'S GIVEN US
  • 00:15:09.591 --> 00:15:10.592
  • I BELIEVE GOD'S GIVEN USWHAT WE NEED, NOT JUST TO
  • 00:15:10.592 --> 00:15:11.860
  • WHAT WE NEED, NOT JUST TOSURVIVE, BUT THRIVE.
  • 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:13.028
  • SURVIVE, BUT THRIVE.AND WHAT I'VE DONE, ERIC,
  • 00:15:13.028 --> 00:15:14.062
  • AND WHAT I'VE DONE, ERIC,IN THIS BOOK, IS I'VE
  • 00:15:14.062 --> 00:15:15.864
  • IN THIS BOOK, IS I'VETAKEN THE TOP-TEN SURVIVAL
  • 00:15:15.864 --> 00:15:17.465
  • TAKEN THE TOP-TEN SURVIVALTACTICS THAT SURVIVALISTS
  • 00:15:17.465 --> 00:15:18.967
  • TACTICS THAT SURVIVALISTSTELL US WE NEED IN A PLANE
  • 00:15:18.967 --> 00:15:21.036
  • TELL US WE NEED IN A PLANECRASH OR AN EARTHQUAKE,
  • 00:15:21.036 --> 00:15:23.772
  • CRASH OR AN EARTHQUAKE,THINGS LIKE "DON'T PANIC,"
  • 00:15:23.772 --> 00:15:25.140
  • THINGS LIKE "DON'T PANIC,""REMEMBER YOUR TRAINING,"
  • 00:15:25.140 --> 00:15:26.508
  • "REMEMBER YOUR TRAINING,""DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING,"
  • 00:15:26.508 --> 00:15:27.275
  • "DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING,"AND I'VE APPLIED THOSE
  • 00:15:27.275 --> 00:15:28.476
  • AND I'VE APPLIED THOSEPRINCIPLES TO HOW WE CAN
  • 00:15:28.476 --> 00:15:30.578
  • PRINCIPLES TO HOW WE CANLIVE OUT OUR FAITH IN THIS
  • 00:15:30.578 --> 00:15:32.480
  • - ERIC: IT'S INTERESTING
  • 00:15:33.748 --> 00:15:34.316
  • - ERIC: IT'S INTERESTINGBECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING
  • 00:15:34.316 --> 00:15:36.918
  • BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKINGABOUT THIS LATELY THAT
  • 00:15:36.918 --> 00:15:37.619
  • ABOUT THIS LATELY THATTHERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE--
  • 00:15:37.619 --> 00:15:38.586
  • THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE--AND I UNDERSTAND THIS--
  • 00:15:38.586 --> 00:15:39.621
  • AND I UNDERSTAND THIS--THAT THEY'RE TIRED OF
  • 00:15:39.621 --> 00:15:41.623
  • THAT THEY'RE TIRED OFFIGHTING, OR MAYBE THEY FEEL--
  • 00:15:41.623 --> 00:15:43.758
  • FIGHTING, OR MAYBE THEY FEEL--THEY JUST DON'T WANNA FIGHT.
  • 00:15:43.758 --> 00:15:44.826
  • THEY JUST DON'T WANNA FIGHT.THEY WANNA THINK THAT THEY
  • 00:15:44.826 --> 00:15:45.393
  • THEY WANNA THINK THAT THEYCAN JUST GET ALONG WITH
  • 00:15:45.393 --> 00:15:47.262
  • CAN JUST GET ALONG WITHOTHER PEOPLE, AND I
  • 00:15:47.262 --> 00:15:50.398
  • OTHER PEOPLE, AND IUNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I
  • 00:15:50.398 --> 00:15:52.667
  • UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ITHINK IT'S OUR FAILURE
  • 00:15:52.667 --> 00:15:53.234
  • THINK IT'S OUR FAILURESOMETIMES IN THE CHURCH TO
  • 00:15:53.234 --> 00:15:56.338
  • SOMETIMES IN THE CHURCH TOTELL PEOPLE, "LISTEN,
  • 00:15:56.338 --> 00:15:56.871
  • TELL PEOPLE, "LISTEN,WE REALLY ARE IN A WAR.
  • 00:15:56.871 --> 00:15:57.339
  • WE REALLY ARE IN A WAR.WE REALLY DO HAVE AN
  • 00:15:57.339 --> 00:15:59.374
  • WE REALLY DO HAVE ANADVERSARY.
  • 00:15:59.374 --> 00:16:01.242
  • ADVERSARY.WE'RE NOT JUST MAKING THIS UP.
  • 00:16:01.242 --> 00:16:02.444
  • WE'RE NOT JUST MAKING THIS UP.IT'S NOT JUST A DIFFERENT
  • 00:16:02.444 --> 00:16:04.012
  • IT'S NOT JUST A DIFFERENTWAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.
  • 00:16:04.012 --> 00:16:04.746
  • WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.THIS IS REALLY TRUE."
  • 00:16:04.746 --> 00:16:06.548
  • THIS IS REALLY TRUE."WE DON'T NEED TO FEEL
  • 00:16:06.548 --> 00:16:07.749
  • WE DON'T NEED TO FEELEMBATTLED, HOWEVER,
  • 00:16:07.749 --> 00:16:09.250
  • EMBATTLED, HOWEVER,BECAUSE JESUS REALLY IS
  • 00:16:09.250 --> 00:16:11.052
  • BECAUSE JESUS REALLY ISWITH US, BUT WE NEED TO
  • 00:16:11.052 --> 00:16:12.721
  • WITH US, BUT WE NEED TOGET SERIOUS THAT HE'S WITH
  • 00:16:12.721 --> 00:16:14.856
  • GET SERIOUS THAT HE'S WITHUS IN A BATTLE.
  • 00:16:14.856 --> 00:16:16.091
  • US IN A BATTLE.I THINK MANY CHURCHES,
  • 00:16:16.091 --> 00:16:17.559
  • I THINK MANY CHURCHES,MANY PASTORS, THEY'RE JUST
  • 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:18.626
  • MANY PASTORS, THEY'RE JUSTNOT TALKING ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:16:18.626 --> 00:16:19.561
  • NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS.- ROBERT: WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:16:19.561 --> 00:16:21.429
  • - ROBERT: WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS
  • 00:16:21.429 --> 00:16:22.130
  • YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WASMARTYN LLOYD-JONES, THE
  • 00:16:22.130 --> 00:16:22.731
  • MARTYN LLOYD-JONES, THEGREAT EXPOSITOR OF
  • 00:16:22.731 --> 00:16:25.100
  • GREAT EXPOSITOR OFSCRIPTURE OF YESTERYEAR,
  • 00:16:25.100 --> 00:16:26.534
  • "ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T
  • 00:16:27.736 --> 00:16:28.203
  • "ANYBODY WHO DOESN'TREALIZE HE'S IN A
  • 00:16:28.203 --> 00:16:29.371
  • REALIZE HE'S IN ASPIRITUAL BATTLE IS IN A
  • 00:16:29.371 --> 00:16:31.773
  • SPIRITUAL BATTLE IS IN ADRUGGED AND HAZED CONDITION."
  • 00:16:31.773 --> 00:16:32.340
  • DRUGGED AND HAZED CONDITION."AND I GOT IN A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:33.174
  • AND I GOT IN A LITTLE BITTROUBLE A FEW DAYS AGO
  • 00:16:33.174 --> 00:16:34.542
  • TROUBLE A FEW DAYS AGOFOR QUOTING A JESUIT
  • 00:16:34.542 --> 00:16:36.311
  • FOR QUOTING A JESUITPRIEST IN SOMETHING
  • 00:16:36.311 --> 00:16:39.614
  • PRIEST IN SOMETHINGTHAT HE SAID.
  • 00:16:39.614 --> 00:16:40.949
  • THAT HE SAID.HE SAID, "WE ARE NOT HUMAN
  • 00:16:40.949 --> 00:16:41.850
  • HE SAID, "WE ARE NOT HUMANBEINGS HAVING A SPIRITUAL
  • 00:16:41.850 --> 00:16:44.219
  • BEINGS HAVING A SPIRITUALEXPERIENCE.
  • 00:16:44.219 --> 00:16:44.986
  • EXPERIENCE.WE ARE SPIRIT BEINGS
  • 00:16:44.986 --> 00:16:47.088
  • NOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT
  • 00:16:48.256 --> 00:16:48.990
  • NOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOTTHEOLOGICALLY CORRECT.
  • 00:16:48.990 --> 00:16:49.891
  • THEOLOGICALLY CORRECT.WE'RE BOTH SPIRIT AND
  • 00:16:49.891 --> 00:16:51.226
  • WE'RE BOTH SPIRIT ANDHUMAN BEINGS, BUT THE
  • 00:16:51.226 --> 00:16:52.127
  • HUMAN BEINGS, BUT THEPOINT IS WELL TAKEN THAT
  • 00:16:52.127 --> 00:16:54.062
  • POINT IS WELL TAKEN THATTHERE IS A SPIRITUAL REALITY.
  • 00:16:54.062 --> 00:16:57.265
  • THERE IS A SPIRITUAL REALITY.IT'S INVISIBLE, BUT IT'S
  • 00:16:57.265 --> 00:16:59.734
  • IT'S INVISIBLE, BUT IT'SREAL BEHIND EVERY CONFLICT
  • 00:16:59.734 --> 00:17:00.268
  • REAL BEHIND EVERY CONFLICTWE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:17:00.268 --> 00:17:01.302
  • WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW,AND, ERIC, PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:17:01.302 --> 00:17:02.437
  • AND, ERIC, PEOPLE WHODON'T REALIZE THAT END UP
  • 00:17:02.437 --> 00:17:04.873
  • AND THAT'S WHY I WROTE
  • 00:17:05.974 --> 00:17:07.675
  • AND THAT'S WHY I WROTETHIS BOOK, "COURAGEOUS."
  • 00:17:07.675 --> 00:17:08.276
  • THIS BOOK, "COURAGEOUS."- ERIC: WELL, AND, AGAIN,
  • 00:17:08.276 --> 00:17:09.511
  • - ERIC: WELL, AND, AGAIN,WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,
  • 00:17:09.511 --> 00:17:10.178
  • WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,IT'S NOT JUST OUR POINT OF VIEW.
  • 00:17:10.178 --> 00:17:11.279
  • IT'S NOT JUST OUR POINT OF VIEW.IT'S NOT A CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY.
  • 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:12.781
  • IT'S NOT A CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY.EITHER IT'S REALITY, OR
  • 00:17:12.781 --> 00:17:13.348
  • EITHER IT'S REALITY, ORIT'S NOT, AND I REALLY
  • 00:17:13.348 --> 00:17:15.750
  • IT'S NOT, AND I REALLYTHINK THAT, FOR MUCH OF MY
  • 00:17:15.750 --> 00:17:17.152
  • THINK THAT, FOR MUCH OF MYLIFE, I DIDN'T WANNA THINK
  • 00:17:17.152 --> 00:17:18.453
  • LIFE, I DIDN'T WANNA THINKTHAT IT WAS, OR I THOUGHT,
  • 00:17:18.453 --> 00:17:19.054
  • THAT IT WAS, OR I THOUGHT,"WELL, THAT'S FOR
  • 00:17:19.054 --> 00:17:20.355
  • "WELL, THAT'S FORHYPER-SPIRITUAL PEOPLE
  • 00:17:20.355 --> 00:17:21.022
  • HYPER-SPIRITUAL PEOPLEMAYBE," BUT IT'S KIND OF
  • 00:17:21.022 --> 00:17:23.191
  • MAYBE," BUT IT'S KIND OFFUNNY BECAUSE I THINK
  • 00:17:23.191 --> 00:17:24.759
  • FUNNY BECAUSE I THINKJESUS CALLS US TO THE BATTLE.
  • 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.128
  • JESUS CALLS US TO THE BATTLE.HE CALLS US TO BE
  • 00:17:27.128 --> 00:17:28.763
  • HE CALLS US TO BECOURAGEOUS, AND WE NEED TO
  • 00:17:28.763 --> 00:17:29.597
  • COURAGEOUS, AND WE NEED TOCALL EACH OTHER TO THE
  • 00:17:29.597 --> 00:17:30.932
  • CALL EACH OTHER TO THEBATTLE 'CAUSE THERE ARE A
  • 00:17:30.932 --> 00:17:32.167
  • BATTLE 'CAUSE THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:17:32.167 --> 00:17:34.803
  • THEY REALLY ARE-- I MEAN,
  • 00:17:36.004 --> 00:17:36.504
  • THEY REALLY ARE-- I MEAN,IT ALMOST WOULD BE LIKE,
  • 00:17:36.504 --> 00:17:39.274
  • BEING IN A BITTER BATTLE
  • 00:17:40.775 --> 00:17:41.509
  • BEING IN A BITTER BATTLEIN A WAR AND HAVING SOME
  • 00:17:41.509 --> 00:17:42.644
  • IN A WAR AND HAVING SOMEPEOPLE JUST, KIND OF,
  • 00:17:42.644 --> 00:17:43.178
  • PEOPLE JUST, KIND OF,HANGING OUT IN THE OTHER
  • 00:17:43.178 --> 00:17:44.012
  • HANGING OUT IN THE OTHERROOM, AND YOU THINK,
  • 00:17:44.012 --> 00:17:44.612
  • ROOM, AND YOU THINK,"CAN'T YOU HELP?
  • 00:17:44.612 --> 00:17:45.213
  • "CAN'T YOU HELP?PLEASE HELP.
  • 00:17:45.213 --> 00:17:46.047
  • PLEASE HELP.THIS IS A REAL WAR, AND
  • 00:17:46.047 --> 00:17:46.848
  • THIS IS A REAL WAR, ANDWHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR
  • 00:17:46.848 --> 00:17:49.484
  • WHETHER YOU LIKE IT ORNOT, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN IT."
  • 00:17:49.484 --> 00:17:50.718
  • NOT, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN IT."- ROBERT: WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:17:50.718 --> 00:17:51.753
  • - ROBERT: WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SIT THIS
  • 00:17:51.753 --> 00:17:52.720
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THE WAR.
  • 00:17:53.888 --> 00:17:54.422
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THE WAR.THE QUESTION IS "ARE YOU
  • 00:17:54.422 --> 00:17:55.557
  • THE QUESTION IS "ARE YOUGONNA BE VICTORIOUS OR NOT?"
  • 00:17:55.557 --> 00:17:56.524
  • GONNA BE VICTORIOUS OR NOT?"AND, BY THE WAY, THIS WAR
  • 00:17:56.524 --> 00:17:57.625
  • AND, BY THE WAY, THIS WARCOMES-- THE ATTACK IS FROM
  • 00:17:57.625 --> 00:17:58.126
  • COMES-- THE ATTACK IS FROMEVERY KIND OF DIRECTION
  • 00:17:58.126 --> 00:18:01.563
  • EVERY KIND OF DIRECTIONIMAGINABLE.
  • 00:18:01.563 --> 00:18:02.664
  • IMAGINABLE.A YOUNG MOTHER WAS READING
  • 00:18:02.664 --> 00:18:03.164
  • A YOUNG MOTHER WAS READINGTHIS BOOK, "COURAGEOUS,"
  • 00:18:03.164 --> 00:18:04.299
  • THIS BOOK, "COURAGEOUS,"JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
  • 00:18:04.299 --> 00:18:05.467
  • JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.SHE WROTE ME, AND SHE WAS
  • 00:18:05.467 --> 00:18:06.534
  • SHE WROTE ME, AND SHE WASREADING THE FIRST CHAPTER,
  • 00:18:06.534 --> 00:18:07.769
  • READING THE FIRST CHAPTER,THE FIRST SURVIVAL TACTIC,
  • 00:18:07.769 --> 00:18:10.004
  • THE FIRST SURVIVAL TACTIC,"DON'T PANIC," AND SHE
  • 00:18:10.004 --> 00:18:11.005
  • "DON'T PANIC," AND SHESAID, THAT VERY WEEK, SHE
  • 00:18:11.005 --> 00:18:12.640
  • SAID, THAT VERY WEEK, SHERECEIVED NEWS THAT SHE HAD
  • 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:14.075
  • RECEIVED NEWS THAT SHE HADCANCER AND ONLY THREE OR
  • 00:18:14.075 --> 00:18:16.077
  • CANCER AND ONLY THREE ORFOUR MONTHS TO LIVE,
  • 00:18:16.077 --> 00:18:17.078
  • FOUR MONTHS TO LIVE,AND SHE SAID HER FIRST
  • 00:18:17.078 --> 00:18:19.013
  • I MEAN, "WHAT IS THIS
  • 00:18:20.348 --> 00:18:21.416
  • I MEAN, "WHAT IS THISGONNA MEAN FOR MY
  • 00:18:21.416 --> 00:18:22.617
  • GONNA MEAN FOR MYCHILDREN, FOR MY MATE?"
  • 00:18:22.617 --> 00:18:23.084
  • CHILDREN, FOR MY MATE?"BUT SHE REMEMBERED THE
  • 00:18:23.084 --> 00:18:23.885
  • BUT SHE REMEMBERED THEWORDS I QUOTED FROM JOSHUA 1,
  • 00:18:23.885 --> 00:18:25.386
  • "DO NOT BE FEARFUL.
  • 00:18:29.324 --> 00:18:30.391
  • "DO NOT BE FEARFUL.DO NOT BE DISMAYED.
  • 00:18:30.391 --> 00:18:31.226
  • DO NOT BE DISMAYED.TAKE COURAGE, FOR I AM
  • 00:18:31.226 --> 00:18:32.694
  • TAKE COURAGE, FOR I AMWITH YOU WHEREVER YOU GO."
  • 00:18:32.694 --> 00:18:33.728
  • WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU GO."SO WE'RE IN A BATTLE
  • 00:18:33.728 --> 00:18:34.829
  • SO WE'RE IN A BATTLEAGAINST ALL KIND OF
  • 00:18:34.829 --> 00:18:36.698
  • AGAINST ALL KIND OFOPPONENTS EVERY DAY, ERIC,
  • 00:18:36.698 --> 00:18:38.166
  • OPPONENTS EVERY DAY, ERIC,AND THIS BOOK,
  • 00:18:38.166 --> 00:18:40.368
  • AND THIS BOOK,"COURAGEOUS," IS DESIGNED
  • 00:18:40.368 --> 00:18:41.569
  • "COURAGEOUS," IS DESIGNEDTO GIVE PEOPLE PRACTICAL
  • 00:18:41.569 --> 00:18:43.104
  • TO GIVE PEOPLE PRACTICALTOOLS THAT THEY CAN USE TO
  • 00:18:43.104 --> 00:18:45.440
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S
  • 00:18:46.474 --> 00:18:48.109
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'SINTERESTING, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:18:48.109 --> 00:18:49.644
  • INTERESTING, YOU KNOW.I REALLY DO THINK, BECAUSE
  • 00:18:49.644 --> 00:18:50.445
  • I REALLY DO THINK, BECAUSEWE LIVE IN A CULTURE THAT
  • 00:18:50.445 --> 00:18:51.813
  • WE LIVE IN A CULTURE THATIS SO OVERWHELMINGLY
  • 00:18:51.813 --> 00:18:52.347
  • IS SO OVERWHELMINGLYSECULAR, THAT EVEN WHEN WE
  • 00:18:52.347 --> 00:18:53.348
  • SECULAR, THAT EVEN WHEN WEDON'T WANNA BUY INTO IT,
  • 00:18:53.348 --> 00:18:54.182
  • DON'T WANNA BUY INTO IT,WE FIND OURSELVES BUYING
  • 00:18:54.182 --> 00:18:56.951
  • AND SOMETIMES ACCEPTING
  • 00:18:58.219 --> 00:18:59.988
  • AND SOMETIMES ACCEPTINGTHE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT IN
  • 00:18:59.988 --> 00:19:02.023
  • THE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT INA BATTLE, AND, THEREFORE,
  • 00:19:02.023 --> 00:19:06.194
  • A BATTLE, AND, THEREFORE,WE CAN RELAX, AND I THINK
  • 00:19:06.194 --> 00:19:07.095
  • WE CAN RELAX, AND I THINKTHAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO
  • 00:19:07.095 --> 00:19:07.829
  • THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TOBE SAID FOR THAT.
  • 00:19:07.829 --> 00:19:09.063
  • BE SAID FOR THAT.I MEAN, WHEN WE READ THE
  • 00:19:09.063 --> 00:19:10.098
  • I MEAN, WHEN WE READ THESCRIPTURE AND IT TELLS US
  • 00:19:10.098 --> 00:19:13.067
  • SCRIPTURE AND IT TELLS USTO TRUST GOD, IT'S THE
  • 00:19:13.067 --> 00:19:14.169
  • TO TRUST GOD, IT'S THELORD'S WAY OF SAYING,
  • 00:19:14.169 --> 00:19:15.537
  • LORD'S WAY OF SAYING,"RELAX," BUT IT'S NOT A
  • 00:19:15.537 --> 00:19:16.804
  • "RELAX," BUT IT'S NOT ACARNAL RELAXATION.
  • 00:19:16.804 --> 00:19:18.039
  • CARNAL RELAXATION.IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF
  • 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:19.974
  • IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OFTHING THAT WE'RE LIVING IN
  • 00:19:19.974 --> 00:19:22.377
  • THING THAT WE'RE LIVING INOUR FAITH, AND I KNOW WHAT
  • 00:19:22.377 --> 00:19:24.412
  • OUR FAITH, AND I KNOW WHATYOU TALK ABOUT IN THE BOOK
  • 00:19:24.412 --> 00:19:27.182
  • YOU TALK ABOUT IN THE BOOKIS THAT WE HAVE TO WALK BY
  • 00:19:27.182 --> 00:19:30.185
  • IS THAT WE HAVE TO WALK BYFAITH, AND IF WE DON'T, WE
  • 00:19:30.185 --> 00:19:31.319
  • FAITH, AND IF WE DON'T, WEWON'T BE BOLD.
  • 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.086
  • WON'T BE BOLD.SO I GUESS THAT'S MY LONG
  • 00:19:32.086 --> 00:19:33.188
  • SO I GUESS THAT'S MY LONGWAY OF SAYING THAT I THINK
  • 00:19:33.188 --> 00:19:34.222
  • WAY OF SAYING THAT I THINKA LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY
  • 00:19:34.222 --> 00:19:35.757
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEYDON'T HAVE THE REAL
  • 00:19:35.757 --> 00:19:37.091
  • DON'T HAVE THE REALCOURAGE AND THE REAL
  • 00:19:37.091 --> 00:19:38.860
  • COURAGE AND THE REALCONVICTION OF WHAT THE
  • 00:19:38.860 --> 00:19:39.961
  • CONVICTION OF WHAT THESCRIPTURE SAYS, SO THEY
  • 00:19:39.961 --> 00:19:41.529
  • SCRIPTURE SAYS, SO THEYKIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:42.263
  • KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BITOF A BACKSEAT.
  • 00:19:42.263 --> 00:19:43.932
  • OF A BACKSEAT.THEY'RE NOT BOLD IN THEIR
  • 00:19:43.932 --> 00:19:45.533
  • THEY'RE NOT BOLD IN THEIRENCOUNTERS WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:45.533 --> 00:19:46.868
  • ENCOUNTERS WITH OTHER PEOPLE.YOU TALK ABOUT THAT TOO,
  • 00:19:46.868 --> 00:19:48.536
  • YOU TALK ABOUT THAT TOO,ABOUT BEING BOLD IN OUR
  • 00:19:48.536 --> 00:19:50.171
  • ABOUT BEING BOLD IN OURFAITH, THAT WE CAN'T JUST
  • 00:19:50.171 --> 00:19:51.606
  • FAITH, THAT WE CAN'T JUSTWALK AND LIVE IN HALF
  • 00:19:51.606 --> 00:19:53.141
  • WALK AND LIVE IN HALFMEASURES.
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  • MEASURES.WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE
  • 00:19:54.042 --> 00:19:55.276
  • WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WEBELIEVE IT AND REALLY WALK
  • 00:19:55.276 --> 00:19:56.411
  • - ROBERT: WELL, THAT'S
  • 00:19:57.812 --> 00:19:58.246
  • - ROBERT: WELL, THAT'SRIGHT.
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  • RIGHT.I MEAN, JESUS USED THAT
  • 00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:00.348
  • I MEAN, JESUS USED THATVERY INTERESTING METAPHOR
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  • VERY INTERESTING METAPHORWHEN HE SAID WE'RE SALT IN
  • 00:20:01.182 --> 00:20:03.318
  • WHEN HE SAID WE'RE SALT INTHIS WORLD AS BELIEVERS.
  • 00:20:03.318 --> 00:20:04.786
  • THIS WORLD AS BELIEVERS.WE'RE TO BE DISTINCTIVE.
  • 00:20:04.786 --> 00:20:06.054
  • WE'RE TO BE DISTINCTIVE.GOD LEFT US HERE TO BE A
  • 00:20:06.054 --> 00:20:07.555
  • NOT TO PREVENT THE DECAY
  • 00:20:09.123 --> 00:20:10.158
  • NOT TO PREVENT THE DECAYOF THE CULTURE, BUT AT
  • 00:20:10.158 --> 00:20:14.729
  • OF THE CULTURE, BUT ATLEAST TO DECAY IT, AND
  • 00:20:14.729 --> 00:20:15.230
  • LEAST TO DECAY IT, ANDIF WE TAKE THAT BACKSEAT
  • 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:15.730
  • IF WE TAKE THAT BACKSEATYOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE
  • 00:20:15.730 --> 00:20:16.598
  • YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WEBECOME MORE LIKE THE WORLD
  • 00:20:16.598 --> 00:20:17.165
  • BECOME MORE LIKE THE WORLDTHAN ALLOWING THE WORLD TO
  • 00:20:17.165 --> 00:20:17.699
  • THAN ALLOWING THE WORLD TOBECOME MORE LIKE US AS
  • 00:20:17.699 --> 00:20:19.934
  • BECOME MORE LIKE US ASCHRISTIANS, AND JESUS HAD
  • 00:20:19.934 --> 00:20:21.502
  • CHRISTIANS, AND JESUS HADA VERY STERN WORD ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:20:21.502 --> 00:20:22.870
  • A VERY STERN WORD ABOUT THAT.HE SAID, "IF SALT LOSES
  • 00:20:22.870 --> 00:20:23.638
  • HE SAID, "IF SALT LOSESITS SALTINESS, IT HAS
  • 00:20:23.638 --> 00:20:26.040
  • ITS SALTINESS, IT HASBECOME WORTHLESS."
  • 00:20:26.040 --> 00:20:27.108
  • BECOME WORTHLESS."AND, UNFORTUNATELY, MANY
  • 00:20:27.108 --> 00:20:28.042
  • AND, UNFORTUNATELY, MANYCHRISTIANS HAVE BECOME
  • 00:20:28.042 --> 00:20:29.344
  • CHRISTIANS HAVE BECOMEWORTHLESS IN THEIR
  • 00:20:29.344 --> 00:20:30.411
  • WORTHLESS IN THEIREFFECTIVENESS BECAUSE THEY
  • 00:20:30.411 --> 00:20:32.413
  • EFFECTIVENESS BECAUSE THEYHAVE TAKEN THAT BACKSEAT
  • 00:20:32.413 --> 00:20:33.982
  • HAVE TAKEN THAT BACKSEATAND SAY, "HEY, I'M A
  • 00:20:33.982 --> 00:20:35.083
  • AND SAY, "HEY, I'M ALOVER, NOT A FIGHTER, AND
  • 00:20:35.083 --> 00:20:36.851
  • LOVER, NOT A FIGHTER, ANDI'M NOT GONNA BE IN THIS
  • 00:20:36.851 --> 00:20:38.620
  • I'M NOT GONNA BE IN THISBATTLE."
  • 00:20:38.620 --> 00:20:39.387
  • BATTLE."WELL, YOU'VE JUST LOST
  • 00:20:39.387 --> 00:20:40.822
  • WELL, YOU'VE JUST LOSTWHEN YOU SAY THAT.
  • 00:20:40.822 --> 00:20:41.556
  • WHEN YOU SAY THAT.- ERIC: WELL, IT IS
  • 00:20:41.556 --> 00:20:42.223
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT ISINTERESTING BECAUSE, AS I
  • 00:20:42.223 --> 00:20:43.891
  • INTERESTING BECAUSE, AS ISAY, I THINK THE CULTURE
  • 00:20:43.891 --> 00:20:45.059
  • SAY, I THINK THE CULTURETELLS US OVER AND OVER
  • 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:47.295
  • TELLS US OVER AND OVERTHAT, YOU KNOW, "DON'T
  • 00:20:47.295 --> 00:20:48.229
  • THAT, YOU KNOW, "DON'TTAKE IT THAT SERIOUSLY,
  • 00:20:48.229 --> 00:20:50.531
  • TAKE IT THAT SERIOUSLY,THEN YOU BECOME A FANATIC."
  • 00:20:50.531 --> 00:20:51.399
  • THEN YOU BECOME A FANATIC."AND I THINK WE'VE JUST
  • 00:20:51.399 --> 00:20:53.301
  • AND I THINK WE'VE JUSTDUMBED DOWN THE FAITH
  • 00:20:53.301 --> 00:20:54.535
  • DUMBED DOWN THE FAITHTO THE POINT WHERE
  • 00:20:54.535 --> 00:20:56.471
  • TO THE POINT WHEREIT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE
  • 00:20:56.471 --> 00:20:57.038
  • IT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIREANYTHING OF US, AND IF WE
  • 00:20:57.038 --> 00:20:59.440
  • ANYTHING OF US, AND IF WEKNOW THE SCRIPTURE,
  • 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:00.675
  • KNOW THE SCRIPTURE,I GUESS WE HAVE TO MAKE A
  • 00:21:00.675 --> 00:21:01.843
  • I GUESS WE HAVE TO MAKE ADECISION, AND THAT'S PART
  • 00:21:01.843 --> 00:21:02.543
  • DECISION, AND THAT'S PARTOF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN
  • 00:21:02.543 --> 00:21:03.544
  • OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING INTHE BOOK "COURAGEOUS,"
  • 00:21:03.544 --> 00:21:04.479
  • THE BOOK "COURAGEOUS,"IS THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE
  • 00:21:04.479 --> 00:21:05.913
  • IS THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDEWHETHER THIS IS TRUE OR ISN'T,
  • 00:21:05.913 --> 00:21:06.981
  • WHETHER THIS IS TRUE OR ISN'T,AND IF IT REALLY IS TRUE,
  • 00:21:06.981 --> 00:21:09.250
  • AND IF IT REALLY IS TRUE,WE HAVE TO LIVE LIKE
  • 00:21:09.250 --> 00:21:09.951
  • WE HAVE TO LIVE LIKEIT'S TRUE, AND WE HAVE TO
  • 00:21:09.951 --> 00:21:10.652
  • IT'S TRUE, AND WE HAVE TOREMIND OURSELVES THAT IT'S
  • 00:21:10.652 --> 00:21:11.719
  • REMIND OURSELVES THAT IT'STRUE, OTHERWISE, WE REALLY
  • 00:21:11.719 --> 00:21:15.990
  • TRUE, OTHERWISE, WE REALLYWILL GET-- WE WILL DRIFT
  • 00:21:15.990 --> 00:21:18.359
  • WILL GET-- WE WILL DRIFTINTO THE WORLD'S VIEW OF
  • 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:19.627
  • INTO THE WORLD'S VIEW OFTHINGS, WHICH IS SECULAR
  • 00:21:19.627 --> 00:21:20.528
  • THINGS, WHICH IS SECULARAND MEANINGLESS.
  • 00:21:20.528 --> 00:21:21.763
  • AND MEANINGLESS.- ROBERT: THAT'S RIGHT,
  • 00:21:21.763 --> 00:21:22.263
  • - ROBERT: THAT'S RIGHT,AND, YOU KNOW, JESUS WAS
  • 00:21:22.263 --> 00:21:23.631
  • AND, YOU KNOW, JESUS WASVERY HONEST WITH HIS
  • 00:21:23.631 --> 00:21:24.365
  • VERY HONEST WITH HISDISCIPLES, IN JOHN 16:33,
  • 00:21:24.365 --> 00:21:26.868
  • DISCIPLES, IN JOHN 16:33,AND WITH ALL OF US.
  • 00:21:26.868 --> 00:21:28.136
  • AND WITH ALL OF US.IF YOU ARE A
  • 00:21:28.136 --> 00:21:29.537
  • IF YOU ARE ACHRIST-FOLLOWER, IF YOU DO
  • 00:21:29.537 --> 00:21:30.905
  • CHRIST-FOLLOWER, IF YOU DOLIVE OUT YOUR CONVICTIONS,
  • 00:21:30.905 --> 00:21:32.040
  • LIVE OUT YOUR CONVICTIONS,HE SAID, "IN THIS WORLD,
  • 00:21:32.040 --> 00:21:33.107
  • HE SAID, "IN THIS WORLD,YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
  • 00:21:33.107 --> 00:21:33.675
  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVEPERSECUTION.
  • 00:21:33.675 --> 00:21:34.142
  • PERSECUTION.YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
  • 00:21:34.142 --> 00:21:36.244
  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVETRIBULATION."
  • 00:21:36.244 --> 00:21:37.078
  • TRIBULATION."JESUS NEVER PROMISED
  • 00:21:37.078 --> 00:21:39.147
  • JESUS NEVER PROMISEDAN EXEMPTION FROM
  • 00:21:39.147 --> 00:21:40.315
  • AN EXEMPTION FROMDIFFICULTIES FOR THOSE WHO
  • 00:21:40.315 --> 00:21:40.848
  • DIFFICULTIES FOR THOSE WHOFOLLOW HIM.
  • 00:21:40.848 --> 00:21:41.783
  • FOLLOW HIM.IN FACT, HE GUARANTEED
  • 00:21:41.783 --> 00:21:42.950
  • IN FACT, HE GUARANTEEDDIFFICULTIES.
  • 00:21:42.950 --> 00:21:44.085
  • DIFFICULTIES."YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:21:44.085 --> 00:21:44.619
  • "YOU'RE GONNA HAVETRIBULATION," BUT THEN HE
  • 00:21:44.619 --> 00:21:45.486
  • TRIBULATION," BUT THEN HEADDED THE WORD, "BUT TAKE
  • 00:21:45.486 --> 00:21:47.789
  • ADDED THE WORD, "BUT TAKECOURAGE, FOR I HAVE
  • 00:21:47.789 --> 00:21:49.991
  • COURAGE, FOR I HAVEOVERCOME THE WORLD."
  • 00:21:49.991 --> 00:21:50.692
  • OVERCOME THE WORLD."SHORT TERM, I THINK THE
  • 00:21:50.692 --> 00:21:52.060
  • SHORT TERM, I THINK THEFUTURE IS VERY DICEY FOR
  • 00:21:52.060 --> 00:21:52.694
  • FUTURE IS VERY DICEY FORCHRISTIANS IN THIS CULTURE.
  • 00:21:52.694 --> 00:21:53.995
  • CHRISTIANS IN THIS CULTURE.YES, I MEAN, YOU AND I
  • 00:21:53.995 --> 00:21:55.330
  • YES, I MEAN, YOU AND IBOTH KNOW WE'RE LIVING IN
  • 00:21:55.330 --> 00:21:56.764
  • BOTH KNOW WE'RE LIVING INA RESPITE, IN A, KIND OF,
  • 00:21:56.764 --> 00:21:57.699
  • A RESPITE, IN A, KIND OF,A LITTLE BIT MORE
  • 00:21:57.699 --> 00:21:58.566
  • A LITTLE BIT MOREFAITH-FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT
  • 00:21:58.566 --> 00:21:59.600
  • FAITH-FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTWITH THIS ADMINISTRATION,
  • 00:21:59.600 --> 00:22:01.669
  • WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION,BUT, ERIC, I BELIEVE, WHEN
  • 00:22:01.669 --> 00:22:03.805
  • BUT, ERIC, I BELIEVE, WHENTHE LEFT REGAINS CONTROL--
  • 00:22:03.805 --> 00:22:04.872
  • THE LEFT REGAINS CONTROL--NOT "IF."
  • 00:22:04.872 --> 00:22:05.673
  • NOT "IF.""WHEN" THEY REGAIN CONTROL,
  • 00:22:05.673 --> 00:22:06.974
  • "WHEN" THEY REGAIN CONTROL,THERE'S GONNA BE AN
  • 00:22:06.974 --> 00:22:08.843
  • THERE'S GONNA BE ANATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANS
  • 00:22:08.843 --> 00:22:09.577
  • ATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANSAND THE CHURCH LIKE
  • 00:22:09.577 --> 00:22:11.446
  • AND THE CHURCH LIKEWE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
  • 00:22:11.446 --> 00:22:11.946
  • WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.IT'S NOT GONNA BE
  • 00:22:11.946 --> 00:22:12.680
  • IT'S NOT GONNA BEINCREMENTAL.
  • 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:13.581
  • INCREMENTAL.IT'S GOING TO BE
  • 00:22:13.581 --> 00:22:14.615
  • IT'S GOING TO BEINTENSIVE, AND THAT'S WHY
  • 00:22:14.615 --> 00:22:15.950
  • INTENSIVE, AND THAT'S WHYI WROTE THIS BOOK,
  • 00:22:15.950 --> 00:22:16.718
  • I WROTE THIS BOOK,"COURAGEOUS," IN PART, TO
  • 00:22:16.718 --> 00:22:18.519
  • "COURAGEOUS," IN PART, TOHELP PREPARE CHRISTIANS
  • 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:19.253
  • HELP PREPARE CHRISTIANSFOR WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE
  • 00:22:19.253 --> 00:22:21.389
  • FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IS THECOMING BATTLE.
  • 00:22:21.389 --> 00:22:22.090
  • COMING BATTLE.- ERIC: WELL, IT'S
  • 00:22:22.090 --> 00:22:23.024
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'SINTERESTING.
  • 00:22:23.024 --> 00:22:24.258
  • WHY DO YOU SAY, "NOT 'IF,'
  • 00:22:25.360 --> 00:22:26.661
  • WHY DO YOU SAY, "NOT 'IF,'BUT 'WHEN'"?
  • 00:22:26.661 --> 00:22:27.295
  • BUT 'WHEN'"?BECAUSE, I THINK,
  • 00:22:27.295 --> 00:22:28.463
  • BECAUSE, I THINK,SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THIS
  • 00:22:28.463 --> 00:22:30.732
  • SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THISADMINISTRATION, I'VE BEEN
  • 00:22:30.732 --> 00:22:31.933
  • ADMINISTRATION, I'VE BEENENCOURAGED TO THINK ALONG
  • 00:22:31.933 --> 00:22:35.770
  • ENCOURAGED TO THINK ALONGTHE LINES THAT AMERICA IS
  • 00:22:35.770 --> 00:22:37.438
  • THE LINES THAT AMERICA ISTURNING AWAY FROM SOME OF
  • 00:22:37.438 --> 00:22:38.439
  • TURNING AWAY FROM SOME OFTHESE-- THE TEMPTATION TO
  • 00:22:38.439 --> 00:22:40.708
  • THESE-- THE TEMPTATION TOSECULARISM, BUT I GUESS
  • 00:22:40.708 --> 00:22:42.143
  • SECULARISM, BUT I GUESSYOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK IT
  • 00:22:42.143 --> 00:22:42.910
  • YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK ITIS INEVITABLE THAT WE'RE
  • 00:22:42.910 --> 00:22:45.847
  • IS INEVITABLE THAT WE'REGONNA GO BACK?
  • 00:22:45.847 --> 00:22:46.447
  • GONNA GO BACK?- ROBERT: IT IS INEVITABLE.
  • 00:22:46.447 --> 00:22:46.948
  • - ROBERT: IT IS INEVITABLE.I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S
  • 00:22:46.948 --> 00:22:48.416
  • I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'SGOING TO HAPPEN, IF IT'S
  • 00:22:48.416 --> 00:22:50.451
  • GOING TO HAPPEN, IF IT'SGONNA BE IN 5 YEARS OR
  • 00:22:50.451 --> 00:22:51.853
  • GONNA BE IN 5 YEARS OR500 YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:22:51.853 --> 00:22:53.321
  • 500 YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW,I'M PREACHING THROUGH THE
  • 00:22:53.321 --> 00:22:53.955
  • I'M PREACHING THROUGH THEBOOK OF REVELATION RIGHT
  • 00:22:53.955 --> 00:22:55.390
  • BOOK OF REVELATION RIGHTNOW IN OUR CHURCH, VERSE
  • 00:22:55.390 --> 00:22:57.191
  • NOW IN OUR CHURCH, VERSEBY VERSE, AND WE KNOW HOW
  • 00:22:57.191 --> 00:22:58.426
  • BY VERSE, AND WE KNOW HOWTHE SEVEN FINAL YEARS OF
  • 00:22:58.426 --> 00:22:59.160
  • THE SEVEN FINAL YEARS OFEARTH'S HISTORY IS GOING
  • 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.728
  • THERE'S GOING TO BE A
  • 00:23:01.729 --> 00:23:02.663
  • THERE'S GOING TO BE AONE-WORLD DICTATOR.
  • 00:23:02.663 --> 00:23:03.564
  • ONE-WORLD DICTATOR.THERE'S GONNA BE NO
  • 00:23:03.564 --> 00:23:04.265
  • THERE'S GONNA BE NOFREEDOM OF COMMERCE,
  • 00:23:04.265 --> 00:23:05.967
  • FREEDOM OF COMMERCE,SPEECH, RELIGION.
  • 00:23:05.967 --> 00:23:07.201
  • SPEECH, RELIGION.THAT MEANS AMERICA WILL
  • 00:23:07.201 --> 00:23:08.069
  • THAT MEANS AMERICA WILLHAVE CEASED TO EXIST AS WE
  • 00:23:08.069 --> 00:23:09.337
  • HAVE CEASED TO EXIST AS WEKNOW IT TODAY,
  • 00:23:09.337 --> 00:23:10.872
  • KNOW IT TODAY,SO SOMETHING'S GOING TO LEAD
  • 00:23:10.872 --> 00:23:13.541
  • SO SOMETHING'S GOING TO LEADTO THAT FINAL APOSTASY,
  • 00:23:13.541 --> 00:23:14.909
  • TO THAT FINAL APOSTASY,AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY,
  • 00:23:14.909 --> 00:23:16.043
  • AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY,YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM, THE
  • 00:23:16.043 --> 00:23:17.512
  • YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM, THETRAJECTORY IS DOWN, BUT,
  • 00:23:17.512 --> 00:23:19.347
  • TRAJECTORY IS DOWN, BUT,ULTIMATELY, AS THE BOOK OF
  • 00:23:19.347 --> 00:23:20.648
  • ULTIMATELY, AS THE BOOK OFREVELATION PROMISES, WE
  • 00:23:20.648 --> 00:23:22.517
  • REVELATION PROMISES, WEWIN IF WE'RE WITH JESUS.
  • 00:23:22.517 --> 00:23:23.284
  • WIN IF WE'RE WITH JESUS.- ERIC: WOW, FOLKS, DO
  • 00:23:23.284 --> 00:23:25.686
  • - ERIC: WOW, FOLKS, DONOT NEGLECT TO PICK UP A
  • 00:23:25.686 --> 00:23:26.687
  • NOT NEGLECT TO PICK UP ACOPY OF "COURAGEOUS."
  • 00:23:26.687 --> 00:23:27.822
  • COPY OF "COURAGEOUS."PASTOR JEFFRESS, THANK YOU
  • 00:23:27.822 --> 00:23:29.757
  • - ROBERT: THANKS FOR
  • 00:23:30.792 --> 00:23:31.359
  • - ROBERT: THANKS FORHAVING ME, AND THANKS FOR
  • 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:31.893
  • HAVING ME, AND THANKS FORYOUR ENDORSEMENT OF THE
  • 00:23:31.893 --> 00:23:33.661
  • ♪ WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
  • 00:23:45.673 --> 00:23:46.374
  • ♪ WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
  • 00:23:46.374 --> 00:23:47.108
  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
  • 00:23:47.108 --> 00:23:53.114
  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
  • 00:23:53.114 --> 00:23:58.486
  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
  • 00:23:58.486 --> 00:23:59.320
  • ♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
  • 00:23:59.320 --> 00:24:05.827
  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
  • 00:24:05.827 --> 00:24:06.661
  • ♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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