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July 15, 2019
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Ravi Zacharias

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  • - THIS QUESTION IS:
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  • WHY DID YOU TRY TO END YOUR LIFE
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  • AT 17?
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  • WHAT ABOUT CHRIST MADE YOU
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  • WANT TO LIVE ON?
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  • - I TOLD A STORY IN MY BOOK
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  • "WALKING FROM EAST TO WEST."
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  • IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST
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  • DIFFICULT BOOKS I EVER WROTE
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  • BECAUSE I WROTE IT AS REALLY
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  • MY OWN PERSONAL JOURNEY.
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  • MY DAD, A HIGHLY
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  • PLACED INDIVIDUAL
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  • IN THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
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  • IN THE HOME MINISTRY,
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  • VERY SUCCESSFUL.
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  • HE WAS A TOUGH MAN,
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  • TOUGH TEMPERED,
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  • TOUGH IN EVERY SENSE
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  • OF THE TERM.
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  • EXTREMELY DISCIPLINED
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  • TO HAVE GOTTEN TO WHERE HE DID,
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  • HE'D DONE HIS WORK IN
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  • INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS OF
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  • THE [INDISCERNIBLE] NOTTINGHAM,
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  • CAME BACK QUITE HIGHLY PLACED
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  • AND INFLUENTIAL,
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  • AND OUT OF US FIVE
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  • BROTHERS AND SISTERS,
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  • I WAS THE MOST
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  • UNDERPERFORMING INDIVIDUAL.
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  • I NEVER MADE IT
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  • THROUGH ANYTHING.
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  • I LIVED FOR TWO THINGS.
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  • I LIVED FOR THE CRICKET FIELD,
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  • I LIVED FOR THE TENNIS COURT.
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  • I WANT TO PLAY CRICKET,
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  • I DREAMED ABOUT CRICKET,
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  • I DRILLED ABOUT CRICKET,
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  • I IMAGINED CRICKET.
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  • AND NOW HERE ON MY END,
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  • ALL THESE YEARS,
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  • HAVING LEFT INDIA
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  • FOUR DECADES AGO,
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  • I STILL DREAM ABOUT CRICKET,
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  • AND I ENJOY THE GAME SO MUCH.
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  • IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GAME.
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  • IT'S REALLY A BEAUTIFUL GAME.
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  • BUT THE RESULT, I CONCENTRATED
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  • VERY LITTLE ON MY STUDIES.
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  • MY LIFE COULD BE DESCRIBED
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  • AS "PUNCTUATED FAILURE."
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  • THAT'S WHAT IT WAS,
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  • PUNCTUATED FAILURE.
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  • AND IN MY BOOK,
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  • I TELL THE STORY ONE DAY
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  • OF TAKING THE MOST
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  • SEVERE THRASHING FROM MY DAD.
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  • IT'S THE WAY THEY KNEW
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  • HOW TO DO IT.
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  • IT WAS A TIME AND CULTURE
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  • IN WHICH THEY FELT THIS IS HOW
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  • THEY CHANGE YOU.
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  • I'M NOT BLAMING HIM.
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  • I'M JUST TELLING YOU
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  • IT'S THE WAY IT WAS.
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  • IF MY MOTHER HADN'T INTERVENED,
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  • I THINK SOME BONES
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  • WOULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN,
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  • THE RESULTS WOULD
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  • HAVE BEEN VERY COSTLY.
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  • I WAS A VERY SLENDER KID,
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  • SMALL KID, AND MY DAD REALLY
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  • TOOK IT OUT ON ME THAT DAY.
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  • AND THE MORE I PONDERED THIS,
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  • I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WHY?
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  • WHAT'S ALL THIS ABOUT ANYWAY?
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  • YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE
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  • THE WAY YOU FEEL, WHY DO YOU
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  • WANT TO KEEP ON FEELING?
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  • AND IF I COULD DESCRIBE IT
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  • IN ONE SENTENCE:
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  • I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO
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  • FEEL ANYMORE, BECAUSE WHAT
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  • I FELT, I DIDN'T LIKE.
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  • AND I TOOK FROM THE SCIENCE LAB
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  • SOME POISONS AND TRIED
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  • TO END IT ALL.
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  • VERY, VERY NEARLY SUCCEEDED.
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  • I MENTIONED THE FACT THAT
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  • IN INDIA THIS HAPPENS
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  • QUITE OFTEN.
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  • MY CLOSEST FRIEND
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  • HAD DOUSED HIMSELF WITH KEROSENE
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  • AND BURNED HIMSELF TO DEATH
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  • BECAUSE HE HAD NOT SUCCEEDED
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  • IN THE EXAM.
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  • WE LIVE WITH THAT TENSION.
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  • THINGS ARE SLIGHTLY CHANGED,
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  • BUT THE MOST SUICIDAL
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  • [INDISCERNIBLE] TIME OF YEAR
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  • IS WHEN THE RESULTS
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  • ARE OUT AT UNIVERSITIES.
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  • WHEN I CAME TO KNOW CHRIST,
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  • I WANTED TO PUT LIFE TOGETHER.
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  • THERE ARE FOUR QUESTIONS IN LIFE
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  • FOR ALL OF US: ORIGIN, MEANING,
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  • MORALITY, AND DESTINY.
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  • WHERE DO I COME FROM?
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  • WHAT GIVES LIFE MEANING?
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  • HOW DO I DIFFERENTIATE
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  • BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD?
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  • WHAT HAPPENS TO A HUMAN BEING
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  • WHEN HE OR SHE DIES?
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  • ORIGIN, MEANING,
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  • MORALITY, AND DESTINY.
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  • YOU HAVE TO FIND ANSWERS
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  • THAT ARE CORRESPONDINGLY
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  • TRUE TO EACH OF THESE QUESTIONS,
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  • AND ALL PUT TOGETHER,
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  • IT HAS TO COHERE.
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  • THERE HAS TO BE COHERENCE
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  • IN THIS, THERE HAS TO BE A SKIN
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  • THAT PULLS IT ALL TOGETHER.
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  • IN READING JOHN'S GOSPEL,
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  • I COULDN'T READ IT ACTUALLY --
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  • THE GENTLEMAN WHO BROUGHT
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  • THE BIBLE TO ME LIVES
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  • ABOUT TEN MILES FROM HERE,
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  • BUT HE HIMSELF IS PRETTY CLOSE
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  • TO THE END OF HIS LIFE.
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  • I WANTED SO MUCH
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  • TO BRING HIM HERE.
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  • I SPOKE TO HIM ON THE PHONE
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  • ABOUT TWO MONTHS AWAY.
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  • HE SAID, "PLEASE LET ME COME,
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  • PLEASE LET ME COME."
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  • BUT HIS SITUATION
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  • IS SO WEAK RIGHT NOW.
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  • AND HE OFTEN SAID --
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  • ON THE PHONE,
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  • HE SAID TO ME THAT DAY,
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  • JUST AFTER CHRISTMAS,
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  • HE SAYS, "SOMETIMES I THINK
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  • I CAME INTO THIS WORLD
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  • JUST TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU
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  • A BIBLE.
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  • JUST BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU
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  • A BIBLE."
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  • AND THAT TRANSFORMED MY LIFE
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  • AS I WALKED OUT OF THERE,
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  • JOHN CHAPTER 14 WAS READ TO ME.
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  • "AND JESUS SAID,
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  • 'BECAUSE I LIVE
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  • YOU SHALL LIVE ALSO.'"
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  • IF I CAN TAKE A TAIL-ENDER
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  • TO THIS, JESUS SAID,
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  • "BECAUSE I LIVE
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  • YOU SHALL LIVE ALSO."
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  • I KNEW IT WASN'T
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  • BIOLOGICAL LIFE.
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  • I TRUSTED IN HIM WITH
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  • THE LITTLE PRAYER THAT I PRAYED
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  • AND WALKED OUT OF THERE
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  • AND FOLLOWED UP WITH IT WITH MEN
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  • AND WOMEN WHO COULD TEACH ME
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  • THE SCRIPTURES AND LIFE CHANGED.
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  • ONE BY ONE,
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  • THE REST OF THE FAMILY,
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  • INCLUDING MY FATHER,
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  • MOTHER ALL BECAME FOLLOWERS
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  • OF CHRIST.
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  • EVEN THOUGH WE'D COME FROM
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  • A PRIESTLY BACKGROUND,
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  • WE'D LOST THE MESSAGE OF CHRIST
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  • SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY.
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  • WHEN MY MOTHER DIED IN HER 50S,
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  • MY DAD ASKED ME IF I WOULD
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  • PREACH AT HER FUNERAL
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  • IN TORONTO.
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  • I STRUGGLED WITH IT,
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  • AND HE SAID AT THE GRAVESITE,
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  • HE SAID, "SON, WHAT WOULD YOU
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  • WANT TO PUT ON HER GRAVESTONE?"
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  • I SAID, "THE VERSE THAT
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  • SHE FIRST READ TO ME WITHOUT
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  • EVEN KNOWING WHAT IT MEANT."
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  • SO I PUT JOHN 14:19,
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  • "JESUS SAID,
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  • 'BECAUSE I LIVE,
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  • YOU SHOULD LIVE ALSO.'"
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  • THAT WAS IN 1974.
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  • IN THE 1990S, MY WIFE AND I,
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  • MY WIFE'S FROM CANADA,
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  • WENT INTO DELHI.
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  • SHE SAID, "CAN I SEE
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  • YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S GRAVE?
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  • YOU TALK SO MUCH ABOUT
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  • REMEMBERING AS A LITTLE BOY
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  • GOING TO THAT FUNERAL."
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  • I SAID, "HONEY, I DON'T KNOW
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  • IF YOU CAN FIND IT."
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  • I TRACKED IT DOWN,
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  • WENT TO THE ONLY
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  • CHRISTIAN CEMETERY IN DELHI,
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  • WENT TO THE REGISTRAR,
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  • FOUND THE REGISTRAR
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  • TRACKED IT DOWN,
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  • TRACKED IT DOWN,
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  • TRACKED IT DOWN,
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  • FOUND OUT I WAS ONLY
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  • NINE YEARS OLD IN THE MID-50S
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  • WHEN SHE'D PASSED AWAY,
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  • WALKED OVER TO THE PLOT,
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  • THERE WAS NOTHING VISIBLE.
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  • I HIRED A GARDENER
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  • WITH A SHOVEL.
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  • I SAID, "I'LL BE HAPPY
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  • TO PAY YOU.
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  • PLEASE DIG THIS SOIL
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  • AND FIND THE STONE."
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  • SO HE'S DIGGING AND DIGGING
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  • AND DIGGING, AND ALL A SUDDEN
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  • HE STRIKES A STONE.
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  • SO HE'S GENTLY MOVING IT AWAY,
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  • POURING WATER, MOVING IT AWAY,
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  • POURING WATER,
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  • AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
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  • THE WORDS BEGIN TO EMERGE.
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  • THE NAME OF MY GRANDMOTHER,
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  • THE DATE OF HER BIRTH,
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  • DATE OF HER DEATH,
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  • AND THEN THESE WORDS,
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  • "JESUS SAID, 'BECAUSE I LIVE,
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  • YOU SHALL LIVE ALSO,'"
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  • JOHN 14:19.
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  • THE VERSE THAT BROUGHT ME
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  • TO HIM,
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  • THAT'S ON MY MOTHER'S GRAVE,
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  • WAS ORIGINALLY
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  • PUT ON MY GRANDMOTHER'S GRAVE
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  • ABOUT SOMETHING WHICH NONE OF US
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  • AS A FAMILY ACTUALLY KNEW.
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  • THE THREADS ALL CAME TOGETHER.
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  • WHEN JESUS CAME INTO MY LIFE,
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  • HE DIDN'T CHANGE
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  • WHAT I DID MERELY,
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  • HE CHANGED WHAT I WANT TO DO.
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  • AND I MUST TELL YOU,
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  • BECAUSE MY FATHER
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  • IF HE WERE HERE,
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  • WOULD TELL ME -- HE PASSED AWAY
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  • -- HE SAID TELL HIM
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  • THIS TRUTH TOO.
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  • I LEFT FROM THE BOTTOM
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  • OF THE CLASS TO THE TOP
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  • OF THE CLASS AFTER I CAME TO
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  • KNOW CHRIST AND NEVER LEFT
  • 00:06:25.030 --> 00:06:26.020
  • THE TOP.
  • 00:06:26.020 --> 00:06:27.070
  • PRIOR TO THAT, MY FATHER
  • 00:06:27.070 --> 00:06:28.000
  • USED TO SAY,
  • 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:29.280
  • "CENTER FORWARD IN FOOTBALL
  • 00:06:29.280 --> 00:06:31.200
  • AND FULLBACK IN STUDIES."
  • 00:06:31.200 --> 00:06:32.250
  • HE NEVER SAID THAT AFTERWARDS,
  • 00:06:32.250 --> 00:06:34.120
  • - AT THE FAR MICROPHONE, YES.
  • 00:06:42.010 --> 00:06:43.220
  • GO AHEAD.
  • 00:06:43.220 --> 00:06:45.010
  • - THANK YOU VERY MUCH
  • 00:06:45.010 --> 00:06:45.270
  • FOR BEING HERE.
  • 00:06:45.270 --> 00:06:46.230
  • I'M A LONG TIME LISTENER,
  • 00:06:46.230 --> 00:06:48.060
  • BIG FAN OF BOTH OF YOUR WORK,
  • 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:49.290
  • OF YOUR MINISTRY.
  • 00:06:49.290 --> 00:06:52.190
  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
  • 00:06:52.190 --> 00:06:53.260
  • BACK TO THE TOPIC
  • 00:06:53.260 --> 00:06:55.060
  • OF INTOLERANCE,
  • 00:06:55.060 --> 00:06:57.230
  • I WONDER IF YOU CARE TO KIND OF
  • 00:06:57.230 --> 00:06:58.290
  • DISCUSS INTOLERANCE
  • 00:06:59.230 --> 00:07:02.250
  • ON THE PERSONAL LEVEL
  • 00:07:04.070 --> 00:07:07.070
  • VERSUS INTOLERANCE ON LIKE
  • 00:07:07.070 --> 00:07:09.060
  • THE INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL.
  • 00:07:09.060 --> 00:07:11.040
  • BECAUSE IT SEEMS
  • 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:11.190
  • THAT INTOLERANCE
  • 00:07:11.190 --> 00:07:12.130
  • ON THE PERSONAL LEVEL,
  • 00:07:12.130 --> 00:07:13.250
  • IT'S LIKE, OKAY,
  • 00:07:13.250 --> 00:07:14.250
  • I CAN WALK AWAY,
  • 00:07:14.250 --> 00:07:16.100
  • AND I WON'T SEE THAT PERSON
  • 00:07:16.100 --> 00:07:17.260
  • AGAIN AND THAT'S THAT.
  • 00:07:17.260 --> 00:07:18.270
  • BUT WHEN IT GETS INTO
  • 00:07:18.270 --> 00:07:21.210
  • THE INSTITUTIONS,
  • 00:07:21.210 --> 00:07:23.090
  • WHATEVER THAT MAY BE,
  • 00:07:23.090 --> 00:07:25.010
  • WHETHER IT'S THE LOCAL
  • 00:07:25.010 --> 00:07:26.260
  • ROTARY CLUB OR THE GOVERNMENT
  • 00:07:28.230 --> 00:07:31.230
  • OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,
  • 00:07:31.230 --> 00:07:33.190
  • QUITE A HIERARCHY,
  • 00:07:33.190 --> 00:07:35.130
  • JUST WONDER IF YOU CARE
  • 00:07:35.130 --> 00:07:37.040
  • - YES, AND I THINK,
  • 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:41.100
  • AND MICHAEL PLEASE FEEL FREE
  • 00:07:41.100 --> 00:07:42.130
  • TO PITCH IN HERE.
  • 00:07:42.130 --> 00:07:43.140
  • MY RESPONSE WILL BE FAIRLY
  • 00:07:43.140 --> 00:07:45.130
  • BRIEF ON THAT.
  • 00:07:45.130 --> 00:07:46.100
  • I HAVE FOUND NO BETTER WAY
  • 00:07:46.100 --> 00:07:47.140
  • THAN TO SIT DOWN
  • 00:07:47.140 --> 00:07:48.210
  • WITH THE PEOPLE, INSTITUTIONS.
  • 00:07:48.210 --> 00:07:51.000
  • EVIL DOES NOT HARM THROUGH
  • 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.180
  • THE HEART OF INSTITUTIONS,
  • 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:53.250
  • IT RUNS AT THE HEART OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:07:53.250 --> 00:07:55.200
  • MEN AND WOMEN.
  • 00:07:55.200 --> 00:07:56.220
  • IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH STATES
  • 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:57.160
  • OR GOVERNMENTS OR ORGANIZATIONS.
  • 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.070
  • IT RUNS THROUGH THE HEART
  • 00:07:59.070 --> 00:08:00.060
  • OF EVERY MAN AND EVERY WOMAN.
  • 00:08:00.060 --> 00:08:01.140
  • IF I FIND SOMEHOW THAT THERE
  • 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:02.280
  • IS SOMETHING DISHONORABLE HERE,
  • 00:08:02.280 --> 00:08:05.100
  • I'LL SIT DOWN AND TALK
  • 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:07.030
  • TO THE INDIVIDUAL,
  • 00:08:07.030 --> 00:08:08.140
  • GO AND SEE THE POWERS THAT BE.
  • 00:08:08.140 --> 00:08:10.290
  • THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS VOICE
  • 00:08:10.290 --> 00:08:11.260
  • AND SAY, "LOOK, THIS IS
  • 00:08:11.260 --> 00:08:12.270
  • WHAT'S HAPPENING.
  • 00:08:12.270 --> 00:08:13.230
  • I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT.
  • 00:08:13.230 --> 00:08:14.230
  • I DON'T THINK THIS IS FAIR.
  • 00:08:14.230 --> 00:08:16.150
  • IF THE REVERSE WERE DONE,
  • 00:08:16.150 --> 00:08:17.200
  • I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD
  • 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:18.200
  • TOLERATE IT VERY MUCH EITHER.
  • 00:08:18.200 --> 00:08:20.220
  • SO I ASK YOU, SIR OR MA'AM,
  • 00:08:20.220 --> 00:08:21.250
  • WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER
  • 00:08:21.250 --> 00:08:23.220
  • LOOKING INTO THIS SUBJECT
  • 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:25.120
  • AND CHANGING THE REALITY FOR US
  • 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.000
  • WHO FEEL THE DEMISE
  • 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.070
  • BY AN INSTITUTIONAL
  • 00:08:28.070 --> 00:08:29.010
  • PATTERN HERE?
  • 00:08:29.010 --> 00:08:29.240
  • AND I'LL BE MOST GRATEFUL
  • 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.220
  • TO YOU.
  • 00:08:30.220 --> 00:08:31.250
  • THANK YOU FOR JUST GIVING ME
  • 00:08:31.250 --> 00:08:32.190
  • THESE FEW MINUTES
  • 00:08:32.190 --> 00:08:34.040
  • OF TALKING TO YOU."
  • 00:08:34.040 --> 00:08:34.220
  • YOU BUILD THAT
  • 00:08:34.220 --> 00:08:35.240
  • RELATIONSHIP GRADUALLY,
  • 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:36.270
  • BUT YOU NEVER DO IT
  • 00:08:36.270 --> 00:08:38.090
  • BY LAWLESSNESS OR ANARCHY
  • 00:08:38.090 --> 00:08:40.070
  • OR RUDENESS OR DISRESPECT.
  • 00:08:40.070 --> 00:08:43.020
  • YOU DO BY DRAWING
  • 00:08:43.020 --> 00:08:43.230
  • THE BEST INSTINCTS
  • 00:08:43.230 --> 00:08:44.260
  • OUT OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:08:44.260 --> 00:08:45.270
  • AND I HAVE FOUND SOME OF
  • 00:08:45.270 --> 00:08:47.030
  • THE TOUGHEST OF THEM CHANGE
  • 00:08:47.030 --> 00:08:48.070
  • JUST BY A PERIOD
  • 00:08:48.070 --> 00:08:49.200
  • OF RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.020
  • WHENEVER I GO AND STAY
  • 00:08:51.020 --> 00:08:51.260
  • IN ANY HOTEL,
  • 00:08:51.260 --> 00:08:52.230
  • WHERE I [INDISCERNIBLE]
  • 00:08:52.230 --> 00:08:53.260
  • I'LL ALWAYS GO IN AND ASK
  • 00:08:53.260 --> 00:08:55.020
  • TO MEET THE MANAGER.
  • 00:08:55.020 --> 00:08:56.240
  • I'LL GO AND MEET
  • 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:57.170
  • THE FRONT DESK PERSON, I'LL GO
  • 00:08:57.170 --> 00:08:58.120
  • AND MEET THE MAÎTRE D',
  • 00:08:58.120 --> 00:08:59.080
  • INTRODUCE MYSELF.
  • 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:00.130
  • I SAY, "I'M HERE FOR THE WEEK.
  • 00:09:00.130 --> 00:09:01.270
  • I LOOK FORWARD TO ENJOYING
  • 00:09:01.270 --> 00:09:02.270
  • THIS HOTEL," AND SO ON.
  • 00:09:02.270 --> 00:09:04.090
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:09:04.090 --> 00:09:05.080
  • THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK,
  • 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:06.050
  • THEY'LL COME TO YOU
  • 00:09:06.050 --> 00:09:07.000
  • AND ASK YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING
  • 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:07.230
  • THEY CAN DO
  • 00:09:07.230 --> 00:09:08.120
  • AND IF THEY CAN SERVE YOU.
  • 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.130
  • AND IT WORKS THAT WAY
  • 00:09:09.130 --> 00:09:10.120
  • EVEN IN INSTITUTIONS.
  • 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:11.190
  • BEFRIEND THE POWERS THAT BE,
  • 00:09:11.190 --> 00:09:13.220
  • AND YOU'LL BE SURPRISED
  • 00:09:13.220 --> 00:09:14.270
  • HOW SOME OF THEM WILL OPEN UP
  • 00:09:14.270 --> 00:09:17.040
  • AND SAY, "EVEN THOUGH
  • 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:17.290
  • THIS IS NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE
  • 00:09:17.290 --> 00:09:18.250
  • TO DO, OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOU,
  • 00:09:18.250 --> 00:09:20.130
  • I WILL DO IT."
  • 00:09:20.130 --> 00:09:21.090
  • THIS GETS MOST SERIOUS
  • 00:09:21.090 --> 00:09:22.130
  • IN ACADEMIC SUBJECTS,
  • 00:09:22.130 --> 00:09:23.270
  • THESIS, DISSERTATIONS.
  • 00:09:23.270 --> 00:09:26.210
  • YOU CAN FIND YOURSELF
  • 00:09:26.210 --> 00:09:28.010
  • BEING MARKED OUT
  • 00:09:28.010 --> 00:09:29.060
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SHARING
  • 00:09:29.060 --> 00:09:30.180
  • THE IDEAS
  • 00:09:30.180 --> 00:09:31.070
  • THAT ONE WANTS TO SHARE.
  • 00:09:31.070 --> 00:09:33.050
  • YOU JUST HAVE TO BE WISE
  • 00:09:33.050 --> 00:09:34.090
  • HOW YOU MOVE IN THIS
  • 00:09:34.090 --> 00:09:35.280
  • AND ENDURE THE TEDIOUS JOURNEY.
  • 00:09:35.280 --> 00:09:37.270
  • AND YOU DO IT
  • 00:09:37.270 --> 00:09:39.100
  • IN AN HONORABLE WAY, IN THE END,
  • 00:09:39.100 --> 00:09:41.050
  • YOU WILL FIND TRUTH
  • 00:09:41.050 --> 00:09:42.190
  • - I MEAN, I MAY HAVE BEEN
  • 00:09:54.060 --> 00:09:56.050
  • INTERPRETING YOUR QUESTION
  • 00:09:56.050 --> 00:09:57.070
  • SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.
  • 00:09:57.070 --> 00:09:58.140
  • BUT WHEN IT COMES TO TOLERANCE
  • 00:09:58.140 --> 00:09:59.170
  • AT AN INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL,
  • 00:09:59.170 --> 00:10:02.050
  • I THINK, I KNOW CERTAINLY
  • 00:10:02.050 --> 00:10:03.200
  • IN EUROPE, WE'VE GOT OURSELVES
  • 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.020
  • IN A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:10:05.020 --> 00:10:05.270
  • OF CONFUSION HERE.
  • 00:10:05.270 --> 00:10:07.230
  • I GOT A LETTER FROM
  • 00:10:07.230 --> 00:10:08.230
  • THE BRITISH HOME OFFICE
  • 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:09.280
  • WHICH IS -- WELL, IT USED TO BE
  • 00:10:09.280 --> 00:10:11.130
  • CALLED THE HOME OFFICE --
  • 00:10:11.130 --> 00:10:13.000
  • WHICH DEALS WITH JUSTICE
  • 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.050
  • AS A PART OF ITS [INDISCERNIBLE]
  • 00:10:15.050 --> 00:10:17.040
  • IN THE BRITISH POLITICAL SYSTEM,
  • 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:19.000
  • IT LOOKS AFTER THE POLICE FORCE,
  • 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:20.280
  • IT LOOKS AFTER
  • 00:10:20.280 --> 00:10:21.180
  • THE [INDISCERNIBLE]
  • 00:10:21.180 --> 00:10:22.170
  • AND THEY USED TO HAVE A LITTLE
  • 00:10:22.170 --> 00:10:23.130
  • MOTTO THAT SAID "BREATHING --
  • 00:10:23.130 --> 00:10:24.180
  • BUILDING A FREE, JUST,
  • 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:27.240
  • AND TOLERANT SOCIETY."
  • 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.110
  • AND I CAN REMEMBER
  • 00:10:29.110 --> 00:10:30.120
  • THE FIRST TIME
  • 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:31.060
  • SEEING THAT LOGO, THINKING,
  • 00:10:31.060 --> 00:10:32.090
  • "I HAVE A FEELING THAT ONLY
  • 00:10:32.090 --> 00:10:33.090
  • TWO OUT OF THESE THREE
  • 00:10:33.090 --> 00:10:35.110
  • ARE POSSIBLE."
  • 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:36.140
  • LET ME JUST EXPLAIN TO YOU
  • 00:10:36.140 --> 00:10:37.260
  • WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.
  • 00:10:37.260 --> 00:10:39.080
  • THE WAY TOLERANCE,
  • 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.060
  • THE WORD "TOLERANCE"
  • 00:10:41.060 --> 00:10:42.100
  • HAS COME TO BE DEFINED TODAY,
  • 00:10:42.100 --> 00:10:43.230
  • WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE
  • 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:48.080
  • EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS.
  • 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:49.090
  • EITHER IT MEANS, WELL,
  • 00:10:49.090 --> 00:10:50.150
  • WE JUST ACCEPT
  • 00:10:50.150 --> 00:10:51.070
  • AND AGREE WITH EVERYBODY.
  • 00:10:51.070 --> 00:10:52.000
  • BUT HISTORICALLY,
  • 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:53.220
  • THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT.
  • 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:55.090
  • IN THE PAST, WHEN YOU TALKED
  • 00:10:55.090 --> 00:10:56.040
  • ABOUT TOLERATING SOMEONE,
  • 00:10:56.040 --> 00:10:57.040
  • THE FIRST THING YOU ARE
  • 00:10:57.040 --> 00:10:58.070
  • ASSUMING IS YOU DISAGREE
  • 00:10:58.070 --> 00:10:59.070
  • WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T
  • 00:10:59.070 --> 00:11:01.000
  • TOLERATE WHAT YOU AGREE WITH,
  • 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.050
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:11:02.050 --> 00:11:02.290
  • I MEAN, IF YOU AGREE
  • 00:11:02.290 --> 00:11:03.210
  • WITH SOMEONE, YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:11:03.210 --> 00:11:04.150
  • TOLERATING THEM,
  • 00:11:04.150 --> 00:11:05.090
  • YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THEM.
  • 00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:06.030
  • BUT IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM,
  • 00:11:06.030 --> 00:11:06.270
  • THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY
  • 00:11:06.270 --> 00:11:08.020
  • PASSING JUDGMENT,
  • 00:11:08.020 --> 00:11:08.270
  • "NO, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
  • 00:11:08.270 --> 00:11:10.050
  • IS WRONG,"
  • 00:11:10.050 --> 00:11:10.270
  • AND THAT COULD BE MORALLY
  • 00:11:10.270 --> 00:11:11.240
  • OR INTELLECTUALLY
  • 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:12.200
  • OR WHATEVER WAY, BUT YOU FEEL
  • 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:13.190
  • THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU
  • 00:11:13.190 --> 00:11:14.190
  • TO ALLOW THAT OTHER POSITION
  • 00:11:14.190 --> 00:11:17.000
  • EVEN THOUGH YOU PERSONALLY
  • 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:18.030
  • DISAGREE WITH IT.
  • 00:11:18.030 --> 00:11:19.100
  • BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JUSTICE,
  • 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:21.120
  • AND JUSTICE BEING UPHELD
  • 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.090
  • AND ENFORCED IN A SOCIETY,
  • 00:11:23.090 --> 00:11:24.150
  • YOU'RE NOT NORMALLY ASKING
  • 00:11:24.150 --> 00:11:26.200
  • FOR TOLERANCE TO BE EXERCISED.
  • 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.110
  • SO IN A RAPE CASE,
  • 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:30.050
  • THAT'S ARGUED BEFORE A JUDGE,
  • 00:11:30.050 --> 00:11:31.020
  • FOR A JUDGE TO RULE AT THE END
  • 00:11:31.020 --> 00:11:33.190
  • OF THE RAPE CASE,
  • 00:11:33.190 --> 00:11:34.160
  • "WELL, WE CAUGHT THE GUY
  • 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:35.150
  • AND HE'S DEFINITELY GUILTY,
  • 00:11:35.150 --> 00:11:36.170
  • BUT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE
  • 00:11:36.170 --> 00:11:38.290
  • TO TOLERATE THESE KINDS
  • 00:11:38.290 --> 00:11:39.250
  • OF THINGS.
  • 00:11:39.250 --> 00:11:41.170
  • THEY JUST HAPPEN.
  • 00:11:41.170 --> 00:11:42.130
  • AND WE'VE HAD LAWS AGAINST
  • 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:43.100
  • RAPE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
  • 00:11:43.100 --> 00:11:44.060
  • WE'VE NEVER ERADICATED IT,
  • 00:11:44.060 --> 00:11:44.260
  • SO WE JUST HAVE TO LEARN
  • 00:11:44.260 --> 00:11:45.230
  • TO DEAL WITH IT."
  • 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:46.200
  • AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE,
  • 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.020
  • IT WOULD SEEM TO ME,
  • 00:11:48.190 --> 00:11:51.190
  • A CONTRADICTION
  • 00:11:51.190 --> 00:11:52.220
  • POTENTIALLY THERE,
  • 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:53.210
  • WHICH I THINK MOST PEOPLE
  • 00:11:53.210 --> 00:11:54.210
  • WOULD INSTANTLY REACT AGAINST.
  • 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:56.100
  • THE OTHER PROBLEM WE ALSO HAVE
  • 00:11:56.100 --> 00:11:57.150
  • WITH TOLERANCE IS MOST OF US
  • 00:11:57.150 --> 00:11:58.230
  • THINK OF IT POSITIVELY TODAY --
  • 00:12:01.040 --> 00:12:04.040
  • TOLERANCE IS A GOOD THING,
  • 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:05.140
  • EVEN THOUGH MOST OF US
  • 00:12:05.140 --> 00:12:06.200
  • ACTUALLY DEFINE IT NEGATIVELY.
  • 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.040
  • SO, I MEAN, I'M ONLY IN LA
  • 00:12:08.040 --> 00:12:09.190
  • JUST FOR A VERY SHORT TIME,
  • 00:12:09.190 --> 00:12:11.130
  • SO I ARRIVED THIS AFTERNOON,
  • 00:12:11.130 --> 00:12:14.000
  • I LEAVE TOMORROW MORNING
  • 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.060
  • AND THEN I'M GOING TO CAIRO,
  • 00:12:15.060 --> 00:12:17.070
  • WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE
  • 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:18.060
  • MY LAST SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT
  • 00:12:18.060 --> 00:12:19.030
  • THIS YEAR.
  • 00:12:19.030 --> 00:12:20.170
  • AND I -- SO JUST IMAGINE
  • 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.120
  • THAT YOU HEAR THAT
  • 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:27.070
  • I'M JUST BRIEFLY IN TOWN,
  • 00:12:27.070 --> 00:12:29.030
  • YOU COME TO ME AND SAY,
  • 00:12:29.030 --> 00:12:30.020
  • "MICHAEL, YOU'RE ONLY IN LA
  • 00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:30.260
  • JUST FOR A FEW HOURS,
  • 00:12:30.260 --> 00:12:31.180
  • AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND
  • 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:32.120
  • SOME HOSPITALITY TO YOU.
  • 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.120
  • LET ME TAKE YOU TO THE VERY
  • 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.100
  • BEST RESTAURANT HERE IN LA."
  • 00:12:34.100 --> 00:12:35.160
  • AND, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:12:35.160 --> 00:12:36.150
  • FOR THAT KIND OF INVITATION,
  • 00:12:36.150 --> 00:12:37.230
  • I'LL EXTEND MY SLEEPING HOURS
  • 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:39.070
  • BEYOND -- IT'S NOW 5:00 A.M.
  • 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:40.270
  • IN ENGLAND, I MEAN,
  • 00:12:40.270 --> 00:12:41.250
  • "I'LL BE HAPPY TO STEP BACK
  • 00:12:41.250 --> 00:12:42.270
  • SO WE COULD HAVE
  • 00:12:42.270 --> 00:12:44.010
  • BREAKFAST TOGETHER,
  • 00:12:44.010 --> 00:12:45.000
  • AND I ACCEPT
  • 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.090
  • YOUR KIND INVITATION."
  • 00:12:47.090 --> 00:12:48.210
  • AND THE NEXT MORNING YOU HEAR ME
  • 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:50.260
  • TALKING TO A FRIEND OF YOURS --
  • 00:12:50.260 --> 00:12:52.070
  • YOU'RE STANDING BEHIND ME,
  • 00:12:52.070 --> 00:12:53.280
  • I CAN'T SEE YOU --
  • 00:12:53.280 --> 00:12:54.290
  • AND YOUR FRIEND SAYS TO ME,
  • 00:12:54.290 --> 00:12:56.060
  • "I HEAR SOMEONE TOOK YOU OUT
  • 00:12:56.060 --> 00:12:57.250
  • TO LA'S NICEST RESTAURANT
  • 00:12:57.250 --> 00:12:58.190
  • LAST NIGHT.
  • 00:12:58.190 --> 00:12:59.170
  • DID YOU ENJOY MEETING THEM?"
  • 00:12:59.170 --> 00:13:01.070
  • AND I SAY, "YEAH,
  • 00:13:01.070 --> 00:13:01.260
  • THEY WERE TOLERABLE."
  • 00:13:01.260 --> 00:13:03.000
  • IF YOU HEARD THAT,
  • 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:04.270
  • WOULD YOU BE HAPPY?
  • 00:13:04.270 --> 00:13:06.120
  • THEY SAY,
  • 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.010
  • "DID YOU ENJOY THE FOOD?"
  • 00:13:08.010 --> 00:13:09.260
  • AND I SAY,
  • 00:13:09.260 --> 00:13:10.170
  • "I COULD TOLERATE IT."
  • 00:13:10.170 --> 00:13:11.230
  • IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
  • 00:13:12.140 --> 00:13:15.140
  • WE TALK ABOUT TOLERANCE,
  • 00:13:15.140 --> 00:13:17.010
  • BUT I KNOW VERY FEW PEOPLE
  • 00:13:17.010 --> 00:13:18.250
  • IN THIS WORLD
  • 00:13:18.250 --> 00:13:19.190
  • WHO WANT TO BE TOLERATED,
  • 00:13:19.190 --> 00:13:20.150
  • BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:13:20.150 --> 00:13:21.120
  • WHO WANT TO BE RESPECTED.
  • 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.000
  • BUT HERE'S THE KEY THING,
  • 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.190
  • BECAUSE I SAID,
  • 00:13:25.190 --> 00:13:27.040
  • THE IDEA OF TOLERANCE, FREEDOM,
  • 00:13:27.040 --> 00:13:28.030
  • AND JUSTICE,
  • 00:13:28.030 --> 00:13:29.120
  • MAYBE ONLY TWO OF THOSE
  • 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.050
  • ARE POSSIBLE.
  • 00:13:30.050 --> 00:13:30.230
  • I'M NOT SURE IN THAT SENSE
  • 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:31.260
  • A COMMON ACCEPTANCE
  • 00:13:31.260 --> 00:13:33.010
  • OF THE DEFINITION OF TOLERANCE
  • 00:13:33.010 --> 00:13:34.140
  • IS EVEN COMPATIBLE WITH FREEDOM.
  • 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:36.010
  • IN THE SENSE THAT,
  • 00:13:36.010 --> 00:13:37.240
  • IF THAT IS THE WAY
  • 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.050
  • WE'RE NOW GOING TO
  • 00:13:40.050 --> 00:13:41.020
  • TAKE TOLERANCE,
  • 00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:41.270
  • WE JUST SIMPLY ACCEPT
  • 00:13:41.270 --> 00:13:43.060
  • WHAT ANYONE SAYS,
  • 00:13:43.060 --> 00:13:44.030
  • WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:13:44.030 --> 00:13:45.040
  • THEREFORE THAT'S ALSO THE END
  • 00:13:45.040 --> 00:13:45.260
  • OF ALL FREE SOCIETY
  • 00:13:45.260 --> 00:13:46.250
  • AND ALL FREE DISCUSSION,
  • 00:13:46.250 --> 00:13:47.210
  • BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TOLERATE
  • 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:48.150
  • SOMEONE AND DISAGREE WITH THEM.
  • 00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:50.000
  • BECAUSE AT THE POINT
  • 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.120
  • OF DISAGREEMENT,
  • 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:52.100
  • IF IT DOESN'T MEAN ACCEPTANCE,
  • 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:53.160
  • YOU'RE NO LONGER
  • 00:13:53.160 --> 00:13:54.150
  • TOLERATING THEM.
  • 00:13:54.150 --> 00:13:55.130
  • BUT YOU CAN RESPECT SOMEONE
  • 00:13:55.130 --> 00:13:58.000
  • AND DISAGREE WITH THEM.
  • 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.200
  • AND SINCE THE MEANS BY WHICH
  • 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:00.290
  • WE FIND TO BE ABLE TO DISAGREE
  • 00:14:00.290 --> 00:14:03.040
  • WITH ONE ANOTHER
  • 00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:04.220
  • OVER CERTAIN ISSUES
  • 00:14:04.220 --> 00:14:05.150
  • BECOMES FOUNDATIONAL
  • 00:14:05.150 --> 00:14:06.190
  • TO ALL CIVILIZED SOCIETY,
  • 00:14:06.190 --> 00:14:08.020
  • I'M WONDERING WHETHER AT TIMES
  • 00:14:08.020 --> 00:14:10.190
  • RATHER THAN HAVING HUGE DEBATES
  • 00:14:10.190 --> 00:14:11.240
  • ABOUT WHAT TOLERANCE IS
  • 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.010
  • OR ISN'T,
  • 00:14:13.010 --> 00:14:14.130
  • WE SHOULD BEGIN TO ASK
  • 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:15.080
  • WHAT ACTUALLY DOES IT MEAN
  • 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.020
  • TO TREAT OTHER PEOPLE
  • 00:14:17.020 --> 00:14:17.240
  • WITH RESPECT,
  • 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:18.200
  • BECAUSE I DESPERATELY WANT
  • 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.210
  • TO LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE
  • 00:14:19.210 --> 00:14:20.160
  • WE LEARN TO RESPECT ONE ANOTHER
  • 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:21.180
  • AS INDIVIDUALS EVEN THOUGH
  • 00:14:21.180 --> 00:14:23.000
  • WE MAY DISAGREE AT CERTAIN
  • 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:24.000
  • [INDISCERNIBLE] LEVEL OF IDEAS.
  • 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.240
  • [INDISCERNIBLE]
  • 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:28.260
  • - WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER
  • 00:14:36.020 --> 00:14:36.280
  • LIVE QUESTION OVER
  • 00:14:36.280 --> 00:14:37.200
  • AT THE OTHER MICROPHONE.
  • 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.170
  • - THIS QUESTION
  • 00:14:39.170 --> 00:14:40.100
  • IS FOR BOTH SPEAKERS.
  • 00:14:40.100 --> 00:14:41.150
  • IF THE TRANSFORMATIVE POWER
  • 00:14:41.150 --> 00:14:42.220
  • OF JESUS CHRIST IS SO GREAT
  • 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:43.270
  • AND IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO LIVE
  • 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.250
  • AN ABUNDANT LIFE
  • 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:48.220
  • AND TO NEVER THIRST AGAIN,
  • 00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:50.160
  • HOW COME WE DO NOT SEE
  • 00:14:50.160 --> 00:14:51.210
  • MORE CHRISTIANS LIVING
  • 00:14:51.210 --> 00:14:52.230
  • THIS TRANSFORMED,
  • 00:14:52.230 --> 00:14:53.220
  • ABUNDANT SPIRIT-FILLED LIFE?
  • 00:14:56.210 --> 00:14:59.210
  • - THAT'S A REALLY
  • 00:14:59.210 --> 00:15:00.190
  • GOOD QUESTION.
  • 00:15:00.190 --> 00:15:02.280
  • IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ME
  • 00:15:02.280 --> 00:15:04.090
  • A NAME, A LIST OF NAMES
  • 00:15:04.090 --> 00:15:06.040
  • AND ADDRESSES
  • 00:15:06.040 --> 00:15:07.060
  • OF ALL THE HYPOCRITES YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:07.260 --> 00:15:10.260
  • I WILL BE HAPPY
  • 00:15:10.260 --> 00:15:13.090
  • TO GO AND PAY SOME VISITS.
  • 00:15:13.090 --> 00:15:14.210
  • I THINK YOUR QUESTION
  • 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:17.090
  • IS A VERY FAIR ONE.
  • 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:18.170
  • I THINK, AS A MATTER OF FACT,
  • 00:15:18.170 --> 00:15:20.290
  • I THINK IT'S MORE THAN FAIR.
  • 00:15:20.290 --> 00:15:23.260
  • I WANT TO BE CAREFUL
  • 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:25.090
  • HOW I PHRASE THIS
  • 00:15:25.090 --> 00:15:27.150
  • BECAUSE I AM PART OF THE CHURCH,
  • 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:33.220
  • AND THAT'S PART OF MY IDENTITY,
  • 00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:34.150
  • EVER SINCE I MYSELF
  • 00:15:34.150 --> 00:15:36.160
  • BECAME A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:38.000
  • BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE BIBLE
  • 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.200
  • HAS SOME VERY CHALLENGING WORDS
  • 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.220
  • FOR THE CHURCH.
  • 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:42.050
  • AS A MATTER FACT,
  • 00:15:42.050 --> 00:15:42.280
  • JUST BEFORE COMING UP HERE,
  • 00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:43.220
  • I WAS JUST READING THROUGH
  • 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:45.030
  • A SPEECH THAT MARTIN --
  • 00:15:45.260 --> 00:15:48.260
  • MARTIN KING,
  • 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.000
  • DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, GAVE.
  • 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.100
  • IS THAT RIGHT?
  • 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:58.080
  • - THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.100
  • - SORRY.
  • 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:02.260
  • I'M IN AMERICA, RIGHT?
  • 00:16:02.260 --> 00:16:03.230
  • I'M IN THE RIGHT [INDISCERNIBLE]
  • 00:16:03.230 --> 00:16:04.230
  • JUST CHECKING.
  • 00:16:05.250 --> 00:16:08.250
  • AND WHEN HE WAS PUT IN PRISON,
  • 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.120
  • HE VERY FAMOUSLY
  • 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.030
  • WROTE A LETTER FROM PRISON,
  • 00:16:18.170 --> 00:16:21.170
  • WHICH IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE
  • 00:16:21.170 --> 00:16:22.070
  • LETTER TO READ,
  • 00:16:22.070 --> 00:16:23.100
  • HIS LETTER FROM BIRMINGHAM JAIL.
  • 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:24.280
  • ALL THE MORE IMPRESSIVE
  • 00:16:24.280 --> 00:16:27.220
  • WHEN YOU REMEMBER HE WROTE
  • 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:29.250
  • THAT LETTER FROM MEMORY,
  • 00:16:29.250 --> 00:16:30.260
  • AND I ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS
  • 00:16:30.260 --> 00:16:32.140
  • A POLITICAL ACTIVIST,
  • 00:16:32.140 --> 00:16:33.230
  • AND I KNEW VARIOUS THINGS
  • 00:16:33.230 --> 00:16:35.020
  • ABOUT HIM,
  • 00:16:35.020 --> 00:16:36.030
  • I HAD NO IDEA
  • 00:16:36.030 --> 00:16:36.230
  • HOW WELL READ HE WAS.
  • 00:16:36.230 --> 00:16:38.200
  • AND YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL
  • 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:39.140
  • SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEONE
  • 00:16:39.140 --> 00:16:40.050
  • WHEN THEY'RE WRITING A LETTER,
  • 00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:41.190
  • AND THEY'RE MAKING REFERENCE,
  • 00:16:41.190 --> 00:16:44.080
  • BOTH TO PHILOSOPHY
  • 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.020
  • AND TO LAW AND TO THEOLOGY,
  • 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:47.040
  • AND HE DOES IT SO WELL.
  • 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:48.230
  • BUT PART OF HIS LETTER,
  • 00:16:48.230 --> 00:16:50.150
  • AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING
  • 00:16:50.150 --> 00:16:52.110
  • THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD TODAY,
  • 00:16:52.110 --> 00:16:54.080
  • IS HE SAYS, "WE'RE LIVING IN
  • 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:55.150
  • AMERICA WHERE THE CHURCH
  • 00:16:55.150 --> 00:16:58.020
  • IS ESPOUSING ONE THING
  • 00:16:58.020 --> 00:17:00.260
  • WITH ITS LIPS
  • 00:17:00.260 --> 00:17:01.270
  • BUT IT'S NOT LIVING IT
  • 00:17:01.270 --> 00:17:02.220
  • WITH ITS LIFE."
  • 00:17:02.220 --> 00:17:04.010
  • HE SAYS, "AND THEREFORE,
  • 00:17:04.010 --> 00:17:06.290
  • WE ARE BREEDING
  • 00:17:06.290 --> 00:17:08.240
  • A GENERATION OF PEOPLE
  • 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:09.230
  • WHO'VE ABSOLUTELY LOST FAITH
  • 00:17:09.230 --> 00:17:10.200
  • IN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:11.260
  • MANY OF THEM ARE LOSING FAITH
  • 00:17:11.260 --> 00:17:13.120
  • IN AMERICA AS A COUNTRY."
  • 00:17:13.120 --> 00:17:14.260
  • AND HE SHUDDERS TO THINK ABOUT
  • 00:17:14.260 --> 00:17:16.180
  • THE VIOLENCE IT MAY HOLD
  • 00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:18.090
  • AND THE DIVISION IT MAY CAUSE
  • 00:17:18.090 --> 00:17:19.290
  • IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
  • 00:17:19.290 --> 00:17:21.000
  • AS IT WENT FORWARD
  • 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:21.240
  • FROM THAT POINT.
  • 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.100
  • AND HE ENDS HIS LETTER
  • 00:17:24.100 --> 00:17:25.020
  • WITH THE WORDS ALONG THE LINES
  • 00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:26.190
  • OF, "AND NOW GOD'S JUDGMENT
  • 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:27.280
  • RESTS ON THE CHURCHES
  • 00:17:27.280 --> 00:17:28.260
  • AS NEVER BEFORE.
  • 00:17:28.260 --> 00:17:30.180
  • AND I PRAY IT MAY RAISE UP
  • 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:31.160
  • IN THIS DIVISIVE HOUR --
  • 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:32.170
  • DECISIVE HOUR --
  • 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:34.100
  • AND ITS VOICE MAY BE HEARD.
  • 00:17:34.100 --> 00:17:35.220
  • AND WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT
  • 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:36.270
  • IS THAT IT MAY ACTUALLY LIVE
  • 00:17:36.270 --> 00:17:37.220
  • THE MORAL VALUES
  • 00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:39.080
  • WHICH IT ESPOUSES."
  • 00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:41.080
  • AND SO I THINK THERE HAS TO BE
  • 00:17:41.080 --> 00:17:43.040
  • A CHALLENGE,
  • 00:17:43.090 --> 00:17:46.090
  • AND I THINK SCRIPTURE
  • 00:17:46.090 --> 00:17:47.060
  • IT'S VERY CHALLENGING
  • 00:17:47.060 --> 00:17:47.280
  • TO CHRISTIANS ABOUT THE WAY
  • 00:17:47.280 --> 00:17:49.260
  • IN WHICH WE LIVE
  • 00:17:49.260 --> 00:17:50.290
  • AND THE MEANS BY WHICH WE LIVE
  • 00:17:50.290 --> 00:17:52.290
  • AND THE VALUES BY WHICH WE LIVE.
  • 00:17:52.290 --> 00:17:54.070
  • AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CONFESS
  • 00:17:54.070 --> 00:17:56.050
  • THAT I THINK IN
  • 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:56.260
  • THE WESTERN CHURCH,
  • 00:17:56.260 --> 00:17:57.270
  • WE'VE EXCUSED OURSELVES
  • 00:17:57.270 --> 00:17:59.220
  • FROM A LOT OF THAT,
  • 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:00.180
  • AND WE'VE CLAIMED COMFORT
  • 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:01.140
  • AND CONVENIENCE
  • 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:02.060
  • AS BEING A HIGHEST ETHIC.
  • 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:03.160
  • RATHER THAN THE PRINCIPLE
  • 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.070
  • OF LAYING DOWN YOUR LIFE
  • 00:18:05.070 --> 00:18:06.100
  • IN SERVICE FOR OTHERS,
  • 00:18:06.100 --> 00:18:07.080
  • WE'RE EXPECTING EVERYONE
  • 00:18:07.080 --> 00:18:08.080
  • TO LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES
  • 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:09.240
  • IN SERVICE TO US,
  • 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:10.170
  • AND THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY
  • 00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:11.130
  • BE RIGHT.
  • 00:18:11.130 --> 00:18:12.220
  • I THINK RAVI WOULD PROBABLY
  • 00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:13.190
  • AGREE WITH US AND SAY,
  • 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.080
  • "I KNOW MY EXPERIENCES,
  • 00:18:15.080 --> 00:18:17.070
  • WHEN I'M VISITING,
  • 00:18:17.070 --> 00:18:18.160
  • WHEN I'M WITH THE CHURCH
  • 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:20.200
  • IN VERY POOR PARTS OF THE WORLD,
  • 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.000
  • WHEN I'M VISITING THE CHURCH
  • 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.280
  • IN PARTS OF THE WORLD
  • 00:18:23.280 --> 00:18:25.000
  • WHERE YOU CAN BE KILLED
  • 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.040
  • FOR SIMPLY BECOMING A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:18:26.040 --> 00:18:27.240
  • THE CHURCH I MEET THERE
  • 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.130
  • IS OFTEN VERY BEAUTIFUL,
  • 00:18:29.130 --> 00:18:30.260
  • VERY ATTRACTIVE,
  • 00:18:30.260 --> 00:18:31.180
  • VERY HUMBLE,
  • 00:18:31.180 --> 00:18:32.260
  • AND VERY CLEAR
  • 00:18:32.260 --> 00:18:33.290
  • BOTH IN ITS MESSAGE
  • 00:18:33.290 --> 00:18:35.130
  • AND IN ITS LIFESTYLE,
  • 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:37.120
  • BUT OUR AFFLUENCE SEEMS TO HAVE
  • 00:18:37.120 --> 00:18:38.100
  • CHOKED THE PURITY
  • 00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:39.220
  • OF THAT MESSAGE.
  • 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:41.120
  • AND SO I THINK WE NEED,
  • 00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:42.050
  • IF YOU'D LIKE A CHALLENGE
  • 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:43.250
  • TO THE CHURCH,
  • 00:18:43.250 --> 00:18:46.020
  • AND IF YOU ARE
  • 00:18:46.020 --> 00:18:47.010
  • A CHRISTIAN HERE TODAY,
  • 00:18:47.010 --> 00:18:48.180
  • I THINK MAYBE ONE OF
  • 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:49.160
  • THE CHALLENGES SINCE
  • 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:50.080
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOLERANCE,
  • 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:52.030
  • WOULD BE THAT WE ARE CALLED
  • 00:18:52.030 --> 00:18:54.040
  • TO LIVE A THOROUGHLY
  • 00:18:54.040 --> 00:18:55.140
  • UNCOMPROMISED LIFE.
  • 00:18:55.140 --> 00:18:57.010
  • NOW THIS MAY BE SAD,
  • 00:18:57.010 --> 00:18:58.250
  • BUT WHEN MOST PEOPLE
  • 00:18:58.250 --> 00:18:59.170
  • IN THIS ROOM,
  • 00:18:59.170 --> 00:19:01.020
  • IF YOU WERE TO CLOSE YOUR EYES
  • 00:19:01.020 --> 00:19:01.290
  • AND IMAGINE A THOROUGHLY
  • 00:19:01.290 --> 00:19:02.230
  • UNCOMPROMISED CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:19:02.230 --> 00:19:04.020
  • SOMEONE WHO WAS
  • 00:19:04.020 --> 00:19:05.070
  • TOTALLY UNCOMPROMISING
  • 00:19:05.070 --> 00:19:06.170
  • IN THEIR CHRISTIAN FAITH,
  • 00:19:06.170 --> 00:19:07.150
  • WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY THINK
  • 00:19:07.150 --> 00:19:08.280
  • OF SOMEONE WHO IS VERY HARSH,
  • 00:19:08.280 --> 00:19:10.030
  • VERY DIFFICULT,
  • 00:19:10.030 --> 00:19:11.020
  • AND VERY UNPLEASANT
  • 00:19:11.020 --> 00:19:11.290
  • TO SPEND TIME WITH.
  • 00:19:11.290 --> 00:19:13.160
  • BUT THE BIBLE INVITES US
  • 00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:17.040
  • TO PASS JUDGMENT
  • 00:19:17.040 --> 00:19:19.030
  • ON EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE
  • 00:19:19.030 --> 00:19:19.250
  • A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:19:19.250 --> 00:19:20.240
  • AND PART OF THAT JUDGMENT
  • 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.100
  • WE'RE TOLD IS TO LOOK AT
  • 00:19:22.100 --> 00:19:23.060
  • THE FRUIT OF THEIR LIFE,
  • 00:19:23.060 --> 00:19:24.190
  • AND THE FRUIT OF THEIR LIFE,
  • 00:19:24.190 --> 00:19:25.180
  • WE'RE TOLD, FOR EVERYONE
  • 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:26.140
  • WHO CLAIMS TO FOLLOW
  • 00:19:26.140 --> 00:19:27.100
  • CHRIST SHOULD BE LOVE,
  • 00:19:27.100 --> 00:19:28.250
  • PEACE, PATIENCE,
  • 00:19:28.250 --> 00:19:29.260
  • KINDNESS, GENTLENESS,
  • 00:19:29.260 --> 00:19:31.030
  • SELF-CONTROL, AND SO ON.
  • 00:19:31.030 --> 00:19:32.210
  • SO LET'S BE THOROUGHLY
  • 00:19:32.210 --> 00:19:33.200
  • UNCOMPROMISING ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.030
  • LET'S JUST MAKE SURE
  • 00:19:35.030 --> 00:19:36.020
  • THAT IN NO AREA OF OUR LIFE
  • 00:19:36.020 --> 00:19:37.190
  • ARE WE COMPROMISED
  • 00:19:37.190 --> 00:19:38.230
  • AS SUCH THAT OUR LIVES
  • 00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:40.040
  • ARE SENDING A MESSAGE
  • 00:19:40.040 --> 00:19:41.070
  • THAT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT
  • 00:19:41.070 --> 00:19:42.060
  • WITH THE FRUIT
  • 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:43.110
  • THAT WE'RE TAUGHT
  • 00:19:43.110 --> 00:19:44.070
  • TO BEAR AS CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:19:44.070 --> 00:19:45.170
  • AND SO I THINK WE MAY NEED
  • 00:19:45.170 --> 00:19:46.200
  • TO FALL IN LOVE ALL OVER AGAIN
  • 00:19:46.260 --> 00:19:49.260
  • WITH WHAT ACTUALLY IT MEANS
  • 00:19:49.260 --> 00:19:51.060
  • TO BE A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:19:51.060 --> 00:19:51.260
  • IF YOU INDEED ARE.
  • 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:52.280
  • AND IF YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:53.260
  • IF YOU'RE BEING PUT OFF
  • 00:19:53.260 --> 00:19:54.190
  • BY CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:19:54.190 --> 00:19:55.120
  • PLEASE DON'T REJECT
  • 00:19:55.120 --> 00:19:56.250
  • THE POSSIBILITY OF GENUINE
  • 00:19:56.250 --> 00:19:58.060
  • LIFE CHANGE
  • 00:19:58.060 --> 00:19:59.010
  • AND WHAT IT GENUINELY MEANS
  • 00:19:59.010 --> 00:20:00.190
  • TO FOLLOW HIM,
  • 00:20:00.190 --> 00:20:01.180
  • BECAUSE YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED
  • 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:02.100
  • A FEW FAKES.
  • 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:03.170
  • IT SEEMS, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA,
  • 00:20:03.170 --> 00:20:06.060
  • THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY
  • 00:20:06.060 --> 00:20:07.020
  • TO BE MADE BY FAKING IT.
  • 00:20:07.050 --> 00:20:10.050
  • INDEED ONE FRIEND
  • 00:20:10.050 --> 00:20:10.280
  • I KNOW WHO WAS TRAINING
  • 00:20:10.280 --> 00:20:11.220
  • FOR THE MINISTRY SAID,
  • 00:20:11.220 --> 00:20:14.140
  • "HERE, PEOPLE WILL GIVE A LOT
  • 00:20:14.140 --> 00:20:15.080
  • OF MONEY TO AUTHENTICITY
  • 00:20:15.080 --> 00:20:16.040
  • AND IF YOU CAN FAKE THAT,
  • 00:20:16.040 --> 00:20:17.010
  • YOU'VE GOT IT MADE."
  • 00:20:17.010 --> 00:20:18.240
  • AND MAYBE WE JUST NEED
  • 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.100
  • TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE --
  • 00:20:20.100 --> 00:20:21.180
  • I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE
  • 00:20:21.180 --> 00:20:22.230
  • MORE CHALLENGING WITH OURSELVES
  • 00:20:22.230 --> 00:20:25.070
  • AND ALSO AS MEMBERS
  • 00:20:25.070 --> 00:20:27.020
  • OF THE CHURCH
  • 00:20:27.020 --> 00:20:27.220
  • WITH THE CHURCH TO SAY,
  • 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:28.170
  • "DOES THIS LOOK LIKE JESUS SAID
  • 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:31.070
  • - WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:43.150
  • LINED UP AT THE MICROPHONE,
  • 00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:44.100
  • SO I THINK WE'LL JUST TRY
  • 00:20:44.100 --> 00:20:45.030
  • TO KEEP THINGS MOVING
  • 00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:46.010
  • AND ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS
  • 00:20:46.010 --> 00:20:47.000
  • AS WE CAN.
  • 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.090
  • OVER AT THE OTHER MICROPHONE.
  • 00:20:48.090 --> 00:20:50.290
  • - GREAT.
  • 00:20:50.290 --> 00:20:51.230
  • WELL, I'D FIRST LIKE
  • 00:20:51.230 --> 00:20:52.260
  • TO THANK BOTH OF YOU.
  • 00:20:52.260 --> 00:20:53.210
  • I CAME HERE TODAY ON A WHIM
  • 00:20:53.210 --> 00:20:54.270
  • AND I'M CERTAINLY GLAD I DID.
  • 00:20:54.270 --> 00:20:56.170
  • AS I UNDERSTAND IT,
  • 00:20:56.170 --> 00:20:58.270
  • AND I HOPE THAT THIS HASN'T BEEN
  • 00:20:58.270 --> 00:21:00.130
  • TOO REDUCTIONIST OF ME,
  • 00:21:00.130 --> 00:21:01.290
  • YOU'VE NOTICED
  • 00:21:01.290 --> 00:21:02.210
  • THREE MAIN TRENDS.
  • 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:04.270
  • THOSE FOCUSING ON SECULARISM,
  • 00:21:04.270 --> 00:21:07.000
  • PLURALISM, AND PRIVATIZATION.
  • 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.030
  • THE ONE THAT I FIND
  • 00:21:09.030 --> 00:21:10.100
  • PARTICULARLY INTERESTING
  • 00:21:10.100 --> 00:21:11.250
  • IS THE ROLE BETWEEN SECULARISM
  • 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:14.010
  • AND A LOSS OF SHAME IN SOCIETY
  • 00:21:14.010 --> 00:21:15.180
  • AND THE IMPLICATIONS
  • 00:21:15.180 --> 00:21:16.270
  • THAT COULD HAVE.
  • 00:21:16.270 --> 00:21:18.050
  • WHERE I GUESS I SEE
  • 00:21:18.080 --> 00:21:21.080
  • THE MOST TENUOUS LINK
  • 00:21:21.080 --> 00:21:23.010
  • IS THE POSSIBILITY
  • 00:21:23.010 --> 00:21:25.040
  • OF TOTALLY SECULAR SOCIETIES
  • 00:21:25.040 --> 00:21:27.000
  • OR A FAITHLESS SOCIETY
  • 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.020
  • STILL HAVING A SHAMEFUL
  • 00:21:29.020 --> 00:21:30.240
  • [INDISCERNIBLE] STILL HAVING
  • 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.050
  • A MORAL BASIS
  • 00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:35.180
  • FROM SOME OTHER FOUNDATION
  • 00:21:35.180 --> 00:21:36.130
  • OF MORAL UNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:21:36.130 --> 00:21:38.170
  • I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR FROM
  • 00:21:38.170 --> 00:21:39.160
  • BOTH OF YOU WHAT ROLE
  • 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:40.110
  • YOU THINK FAITH HAS,
  • 00:21:40.110 --> 00:21:42.160
  • WHAT ROLE THE CHURCH HAS,
  • 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:43.200
  • IN MAINTAINING MORALITY
  • 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.170
  • AND IF THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY
  • 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:48.010
  • FOR THAT STILL MORAL REASONING
  • 00:21:48.030 --> 00:21:51.030
  • IN THE ABSENCE OF FAITH.
  • 00:21:51.030 --> 00:21:53.210
  • - THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD
  • 00:21:53.210 --> 00:21:54.250
  • I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BEAR
  • 00:21:54.250 --> 00:21:56.120
  • IN MIND IS THAT THE WORD
  • 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.220
  • "SACRED" OUGHT TO DEFINE
  • 00:22:00.220 --> 00:22:03.050
  • WHAT MORALITY MEANS
  • 00:22:03.050 --> 00:22:05.160
  • BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST REALLY DID
  • 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.160
  • NOT COME INTO THIS WORLD
  • 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:08.220
  • TO MAKE BAD PEOPLE GOOD.
  • 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:09.280
  • HE CAME INTO THIS WORLD
  • 00:22:09.280 --> 00:22:11.240
  • TO MAKE DEAD PEOPLE LIVE.
  • 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.020
  • MORAL RECTITUDE
  • 00:22:14.020 --> 00:22:16.120
  • AND MORAL UPRIGHTNESS
  • 00:22:16.120 --> 00:22:17.240
  • CAN BE HELD BY MANY,
  • 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.210
  • BUT IF A PERSON
  • 00:22:19.210 --> 00:22:21.230
  • IN THEMSELVES THINK,
  • 00:22:21.230 --> 00:22:22.180
  • I'M MORALLY SO GOOD
  • 00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:23.090
  • THAT I REALLY DON'T NEED GOD,
  • 00:22:23.090 --> 00:22:25.000
  • IT'S THE MOST SEDUCTIVE FORM
  • 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:26.070
  • OF MORALITY
  • 00:22:26.070 --> 00:22:27.200
  • WHICH ULTIMATELY LEADS YOU
  • 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:28.230
  • INTO SOME KIND OF ARROGANCE
  • 00:22:28.230 --> 00:22:31.230
  • OR SELF-AGGRANDIZEMENT.
  • 00:22:31.230 --> 00:22:33.140
  • I REMEMBER YESTERDAY,
  • 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:34.250
  • PROFESSOR LOEWENSTEIN
  • 00:22:34.250 --> 00:22:36.020
  • AND I WHEN WE WERE
  • 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:37.070
  • IN CONVERSATION,
  • 00:22:37.070 --> 00:22:38.090
  • HE MADE THE COMMENT
  • 00:22:38.090 --> 00:22:39.200
  • THAT HUMILITY
  • 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:40.190
  • IS THE CHARACTERISTIC
  • 00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:41.250
  • HE SEES SO LACKING
  • 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:42.200
  • IN OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:44.270
  • AND WHEN YOU WERE HUMBLE
  • 00:22:44.270 --> 00:22:45.230
  • BEFORE GOD,
  • 00:22:45.230 --> 00:22:47.230
  • YOU RECOGNIZE THE NEED
  • 00:22:47.230 --> 00:22:49.050
  • TO BE TRANSFORMED.
  • 00:22:49.050 --> 00:22:50.220
  • YOU RECOGNIZE THE NEED
  • 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:51.240
  • THAT YOU CANNOT PULL YOURSELF UP
  • 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.060
  • BY YOUR OWN MORAL BOOTSTRAPS.
  • 00:22:53.060 --> 00:22:55.220
  • EVERY MAJOR RELIGION
  • 00:22:55.220 --> 00:22:57.250
  • OF THE WORLD -- I WANT YOU
  • 00:22:57.250 --> 00:22:59.040
  • TO HEAR ME CLEARLY NOW --
  • 00:22:59.040 --> 00:23:00.150
  • EVERY MAJOR RELIGION
  • 00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:01.260
  • OF THE WORLD
  • 00:23:01.260 --> 00:23:02.190
  • IS A WORKS RELIGION.
  • 00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:04.030
  • HINDUISM, BUDDHISM, ISLAM,
  • 00:23:04.110 --> 00:23:07.110
  • SIKHISM, BEYISM, JAINISM --
  • 00:23:07.120 --> 00:23:10.120
  • ALL OF THEM -- YOU CAN TAKE
  • 00:23:10.120 --> 00:23:11.190
  • EVERY ONE OF THEM,
  • 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:12.110
  • IT HAS TO DO WITH WORKS.
  • 00:23:12.110 --> 00:23:13.210
  • IN ISLAM, YOUR ENTRANCE
  • 00:23:13.210 --> 00:23:15.080
  • INTO PARADISE IS DICTATED
  • 00:23:15.080 --> 00:23:17.240
  • BY YOUR GOOD DEEDS
  • 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:18.180
  • OUTWEIGHING YOUR BAD DEEDS.
  • 00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:21.030
  • IN HINDUISM,
  • 00:23:21.030 --> 00:23:21.260
  • EVERY BIRTH IS A REBIRTH,
  • 00:23:21.260 --> 00:23:22.240
  • AND IT'S ON THE BASIS OF KARMA,
  • 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.260
  • ALL THAT WENT ON BEFORE,
  • 00:23:23.260 --> 00:23:25.100
  • AND YOUR KARMIC CYCLE
  • 00:23:25.100 --> 00:23:27.010
  • KEEPS GOING UNTIL
  • 00:23:27.010 --> 00:23:27.260
  • YOU CAN BREAK OFF THE CYCLE
  • 00:23:27.260 --> 00:23:29.020
  • AND OBTAIN NIRVANA, MOKSHA,
  • 00:23:29.020 --> 00:23:31.030
  • WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL IT.
  • 00:23:31.030 --> 00:23:32.140
  • IN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH,
  • 00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:33.210
  • YOU FIRST OF ALL COME,
  • 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:35.140
  • NOT BY WAY OF VIRTUE
  • 00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:36.160
  • OR MORAL CAPACITY,
  • 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.020
  • YOU COME BY THE GIFT
  • 00:23:38.020 --> 00:23:39.200
  • AND THE GRACE OF GOD
  • 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.120
  • WHO OFFERS YOU FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:23:41.120 --> 00:23:43.150
  • AND YOU COME JUST AS YOU ARE
  • 00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:45.130
  • IN ALL OF YOUR FAILINGS.
  • 00:23:45.130 --> 00:23:46.280
  • WHEN THE PRODIGAL SON COMES HOME
  • 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:48.100
  • IN THAT TREMENDOUS PARABLE,
  • 00:23:48.100 --> 00:23:51.060
  • IT IS SO COUNTER-INTUITIVE
  • 00:23:51.110 --> 00:23:54.110
  • WITH AN EASTERN CULTURE.
  • 00:23:54.110 --> 00:23:56.150
  • THIS BOY TOOK
  • 00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:57.070
  • THE FATHER'S MONEY,
  • 00:23:57.070 --> 00:23:58.000
  • SPENT IT AT A WHIM,
  • 00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.010
  • BLUNDERED HIS LIFE,
  • 00:23:59.010 --> 00:24:00.060
  • DID EVERYTHING WRONG,
  • 00:24:00.060 --> 00:24:01.150
  • AND HE'S GONE,
  • 00:24:01.150 --> 00:24:02.130
  • AND NOW HE DECIDES
  • 00:24:02.130 --> 00:24:03.210
  • HE'S GOING TO COME HOME.
  • 00:24:03.210 --> 00:24:05.050
  • IN EASTERN CULTURE,
  • 00:24:05.050 --> 00:24:06.160
  • THE FATHER WOULD NEVER GO OUT.
  • 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.050
  • HE'S BEEN WRONGED.
  • 00:24:08.050 --> 00:24:10.040
  • HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT
  • 00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:11.180
  • UNTIL HIS SON CAME
  • 00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:13.080
  • AND LITERALLY THREW HIMSELF AT
  • 00:24:13.080 --> 00:24:14.030
  • HIS FEET AND BEGGED FOR MERCY.
  • 00:24:14.030 --> 00:24:16.070
  • BUT IN THE WAY JESUS
  • 00:24:16.070 --> 00:24:17.000
  • TELLS THE STORY,
  • 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.040
  • THE EASTERN FATHER
  • 00:24:18.040 --> 00:24:19.080
  • WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY SORT
  • 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:20.090
  • OF PERKED UP HIS EARS,
  • 00:24:20.090 --> 00:24:22.050
  • THE FATHER LEAVES THE PORCH,
  • 00:24:22.050 --> 00:24:23.150
  • LEAVES THE HOME,
  • 00:24:23.150 --> 00:24:24.180
  • RUNS TOWARDS THE SON,
  • 00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:26.070
  • AND EMBRACES HIM
  • 00:24:26.070 --> 00:24:27.030
  • AND RECEIVES HIM.
  • 00:24:27.030 --> 00:24:29.030
  • "THIS MY SON WAS LOST IS FOUND,
  • 00:24:29.030 --> 00:24:30.160
  • WHO WAS DEAD IS ALIVE."
  • 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.250
  • SO MORALITY IS --
  • 00:24:31.250 --> 00:24:33.280
  • GOOD LIVING IS THE FRUIT
  • 00:24:33.280 --> 00:24:36.110
  • OF YOUR CONVERSION
  • 00:24:36.110 --> 00:24:37.220
  • AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO CHRIST.
  • 00:24:37.220 --> 00:24:39.150
  • IT IS NOT THE MEANS
  • 00:24:39.150 --> 00:24:40.220
  • OF YOUR ATTAINING SALVATION
  • 00:24:40.220 --> 00:24:43.010
  • AND ATTAINING RIGHTNESS
  • 00:24:43.010 --> 00:24:43.270
  • IN THE SIGHT OF GOD.
  • 00:24:43.270 --> 00:24:45.120
  • SO WHAT ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
  • 00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:46.210
  • ALL ABOUT?
  • 00:24:46.210 --> 00:24:47.260
  • THEY ARE ALL ABOUT THE FACT THAT
  • 00:24:47.260 --> 00:24:48.280
  • LIFE IS SACRED,
  • 00:24:48.280 --> 00:24:50.010
  • YOUR WORD IS SACRED,
  • 00:24:50.010 --> 00:24:50.290
  • YOUR MARRIAGE IS SACRED,
  • 00:24:50.290 --> 00:24:52.000
  • YOUR TIME IS SACRED,
  • 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:52.230
  • YOUR GIVING IS SACRED.
  • 00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:54.160
  • AND IN THE SANCTITY OF LIFE,
  • 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.120
  • THESE EXPRESSIONS COME,
  • 00:24:56.120 --> 00:24:58.070
  • BUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
  • 00:24:58.070 --> 00:24:59.270
  • CAME AFTER THE EXODUS.
  • 00:25:00.120 --> 00:25:03.120
  • REDEMPTION PRECEDES
  • 00:25:03.120 --> 00:25:04.140
  • RIGHTEOUSNESS.
  • 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:05.250
  • IT IS NEVER
  • 00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:06.160
  • THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
  • 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.250
  • SO GOD TAKES A LIFE,
  • 00:25:07.250 --> 00:25:10.020
  • PUTS THAT LIFE BACK TOGETHER,
  • 00:25:10.020 --> 00:25:11.100
  • AND GIVES YOU THE FRUIT OF WHAT
  • 00:25:11.100 --> 00:25:12.190
  • MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:14.140
  • WHAT DOES THE CHURCH
  • 00:25:14.140 --> 00:25:15.190
  • HAVE TO DO HERE?
  • 00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:16.180
  • I THINK THE CHURCH
  • 00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:17.250
  • HAS TO TEACH US THAT THAT
  • 00:25:17.250 --> 00:25:19.060
  • INNER TRANSFORMATION
  • 00:25:19.060 --> 00:25:19.290
  • IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.
  • 00:25:19.290 --> 00:25:21.160
  • LET ME SAY THIS VERY CAREFULLY
  • 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:22.290
  • -- LISTEN TO ME
  • 00:25:22.290 --> 00:25:23.230
  • VERY CAREFULLY NOW --
  • 00:25:23.230 --> 00:25:25.190
  • MALCOLM MUGGERIDGE SAID,
  • 00:25:25.190 --> 00:25:27.270
  • "THE DEPRAVITY OF MAN IS AT
  • 00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:31.120
  • ONCE THE MOST EMPIRICALLY
  • 00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:33.060
  • VERIFIABLE FACT,
  • 00:25:33.060 --> 00:25:36.010
  • AT THE SAME TIME
  • 00:25:36.010 --> 00:25:37.130
  • THAT IT IS THE MOST
  • 00:25:37.130 --> 00:25:38.030
  • INTELLECTUALLY RESISTED."
  • 00:25:38.030 --> 00:25:40.220
  • THE DEPRAVITY OF MAN
  • 00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:42.100
  • IS THE MOST EMPIRICALLY
  • 00:25:42.100 --> 00:25:43.080
  • VERIFIABLE FACT,
  • 00:25:43.080 --> 00:25:44.250
  • AT THE SAME TIME
  • 00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:45.120
  • IT'S MOST
  • 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:46.260
  • INTELLECTUALLY RESISTANT."
  • 00:25:46.260 --> 00:25:48.250
  • "IF A MAN IS STEALING
  • 00:25:48.250 --> 00:25:49.270
  • NUTS AND BOLTS
  • 00:25:49.270 --> 00:25:50.180
  • FROM A RAILWAY TRACKS,"
  • 00:25:50.180 --> 00:25:51.200
  • AS D.L. MOODY SAID,
  • 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:52.210
  • "AND YOU SEND HIM TO UNIVERSITY,
  • 00:25:52.210 --> 00:25:53.210
  • AND AT THE END OF HIS EDUCATION,
  • 00:25:53.210 --> 00:25:54.170
  • HE WILL STEAL THE WHOLE
  • 00:25:54.170 --> 00:25:55.220
  • RAILWAY TRACK."
  • 00:25:55.220 --> 00:25:56.280
  • SOME OF THE BIGGEST CRIMES
  • 00:25:56.280 --> 00:25:58.040
  • THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED
  • 00:25:58.040 --> 00:25:58.290
  • AGAINST HUMANITY
  • 00:25:58.290 --> 00:25:59.260
  • SOMETIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED
  • 00:25:59.260 --> 00:26:00.250
  • BY HIGH OFFICERS
  • 00:26:00.250 --> 00:26:01.240
  • AND HIGH SUCCESS STORIES.
  • 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.070
  • DEPRAVITY IS HERE.
  • 00:26:03.070 --> 00:26:04.230
  • TRANSFORMATION, REDEMPTION,
  • 00:26:04.230 --> 00:26:06.260
  • RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND WORSHIP.
  • 00:26:06.260 --> 00:26:09.030
  • THAT'S THE SECRETS.
  • 00:26:09.030 --> 00:26:10.270
  • MORALITY ALONE WILL NEVER
  • 00:26:10.270 --> 00:26:11.230
  • GET ANY ONE OF US ANYWHERE.
  • 00:26:11.230 --> 00:26:13.080
  • IT MAY MAKE FOR SOME KIND
  • 00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:14.220
  • OF EXISTENCE,
  • 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:16.050
  • BUT IT DOESN'T DEAL WITH
  • 00:26:16.050 --> 00:26:17.090
  • THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM,
  • 00:26:17.090 --> 00:26:18.190
  • WHICH IS A REBELLIOUS HEART
  • 00:26:18.190 --> 00:26:20.110
  • THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED
  • 00:26:20.110 --> 00:26:22.000
  • AND THE HEART THAT NEEDS
  • 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.080
  • TO HUMBLE ITSELF BEFORE GOD.
  • 00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:24.100
  • - YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING
  • 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:30.210
  • "LET MY PEOPLE THINK"
  • 00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:31.200
  • WITH RAVI ZACHARIAS.
  • 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:32.260
  • WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRAYERS
  • 00:26:32.260 --> 00:26:34.090
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  • - AS WE KNOW, THE CULTURE
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  • AND WE'RE DEALING
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  • WITH QUESTIONS AND ISSUES,
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  • AND MANY TIMES CHRISTIANS
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  • I REMEMBER YEARS AGO,
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  • RAVI CAME UP WITH A KIND OF
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  • A MATRIX, IF YOU LIKE,
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  • FOR LOOKING AT BIG QUESTIONS,
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  • ORIGINS, MEANING, MORALITY,
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  • AND DESTINY,
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  • THAT EVERY RELIGION,
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  • EVERY IDEOLOGY IN THE WORLD
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  • HAS TO ANSWER.
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  • HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO DO IS
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  • TO TAKE EACH ONE OF
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  • THOSE QUESTIONS,
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  • LOOK AT THE QUESTION
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  • AND ALSO LOOK AT HOW
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  • WE WOULD ANSWER IT.
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  • HOW DO DISCUSSIONS FLOW
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  • IN CONVERSATIONS?
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  • HOW DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY
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  • ENGAGE THESE QUESTIONS,
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  • AND HOW DO WE USE THEM
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  • TO BRING IN THE GOSPEL
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  • INTELLIGENTLY INTO
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  • A CONVERSATION
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  • AND THINK CHRISTIANLY ABOUT LIFE
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  • IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS?
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  • SO EVERYDAY QUESTIONS HAS BEEN
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  • DESIGNED USING SOME OF OUR TEAM
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  • TO HELP ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS
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  • AND ENGAGE WITH THESE ISSUES
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  • AND GIVE A TOOL
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  • THAT I THINK WOULD BE PRACTICAL
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  • TO HELP EQUIP PEOPLE
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  • IN HOW TO SHARE THE GOSPEL.
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