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  • MUSIC
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  • PLEASE WELCOME
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  • MATT AND KENDAL HAGEE.
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO AND WELCOME
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  • TO "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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  • BEING REFINED, NOT DEFINED.
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  • YOU KNOW SOMETIMES LIFE CAN BE
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  • A REAL ROLLER COASTER,
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  • UPS AND DOWNS,
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  • TWISTS AND TURNS, WILD SWINGS,
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  • AND COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED
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  • CIRCUMSTANCES.
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  • BUT INSTEAD OF LETTING THOSE
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  • CIRCUMSTANCES DEFINE YOU,
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  • WITH GOD'S HELP,
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  • THEY CAN REFINE YOU.
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  • THEY CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND
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  • MORE ABOUT HIS GRACE,
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  • HIS MERCY,
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  • AND HIS FAITHFULNESS
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  • EVEN IN THE MOST DIFFICULT DAYS
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  • OF YOUR LIFE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • SO "GOOD LORD, I'M GRATEFUL,"
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  • HASHTAG IS #GLIG.
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  • SEND IN YOUR PICTURES
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  • AND FLOOD SOCIAL MEDIA,
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  • BECAUSE GOOD LORD,
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  • I'M GRATEFUL FOR GOD'S PROMISES.
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  • BECAUSE I KNOW WHICHEVER ROAD
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  • I GO DOWN,
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  • IT MAY BE ROUGH AND DIFFICULT,
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  • BUT GOD IS THE PLANNER.
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  • AND HE WILL PULL ME OUT
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  • FROM WHERE I'M AT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: BE SURE TO CONNECT
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  • WITH US OVER FACEBOOK,
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  • AND LET US KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT
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  • IS THAT YOU'RE GRATEFUL FOR.
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  • AS A MATTER OF FACT,
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  • WE WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK
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  • RIGHT NOW.
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  • MUSIC
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  • WANT A BEHIND-THE-SCENES LOOK
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  • AT "THE DIFFERENCE"?
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  • LEARN INTERESTING FACTS
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  • ABOUT OUR GUESTS,
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  • COMMENT ON OUR SEGMENTS,
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  • AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE SHOW
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  • BY FOLLOWING
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  • MATT AND KENDAL HAGEE
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  • ON FACEBOOK,
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  • MUSIC
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  • INSTAGRAM,
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  • MUSIC
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  • AND TWITTER.
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  • MUSIC
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  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: SOONER
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  • OR LATER,
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  • YOU'RE GOING TO FACE A CRISIS
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  • THAT YOUR RESOURCES
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  • CANNOT HANDLE.
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  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE
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  • A MIRACLE TO SURVIVE.
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  • HAS AN ILLNESS DEVASTATED
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  • YOUR FAMILY
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  • AND LEFT YOU WITHOUT HOPE?
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  • A FINANCIAL CRISIS CRUSHED
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  • YOUR DREAMS?
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  • A BROKEN HEART LEFT YOU ALONE
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  • AND AFRAID?
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  • WHAT MIRACLE DO YOU NEED
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  • TO TAKE PLACE IN YOUR LIFE?
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  • RECEIVE PASTOR'S TWO-SERMON
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  • SERIES,
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  • "I BELIEVE IN MIRACLES"
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  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF ANY AMOUNT.
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  • AS A BONUS, FOR YOUR DONATION
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  • OF $95 OR MORE,
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  • YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE
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  • "THE POWER TO HEAL"
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  • SCRIPTURE PLAYER;
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  • PASTOR'S BOOKLET,
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  • "THE POWER TO HEAL,"
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  • AND A BOTTLE OF ANOINTING OIL.
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  • RECEIVING YOUR MIRACLE
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  • BEGINS WITH HAVING FAITH
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  • IN GOD.
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  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: FOR ALL
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  • YOU DO THROUGH YOUR PRAYER
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  • AND YOUR SACRIFICIAL GIVING,
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  • I BLESS YOU
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  • IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.
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  • THESE RESOURCES WILL HELP
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  • STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH IN GOD
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  • FOR YOUR MIRACLE.
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  • CALL 1-800-854-9899
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  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/THANKFUL.
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  • JEREMIAH 29:11, "FOR I KNOW THE
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  • PLANS I HAVE FOR YOU.
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  • THEY ARE PLANS FOR GOOD
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  • AND NOT FOR DISASTER,
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  • TO GIVE YOU A FUTURE
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  • AND A HOPE."
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  • THIS PROMISE IS FEATURED ON OUR
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  • NEW JEREMIAH 29:11 T-SHIRTS
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  • WITH THE WORDS "FUTURE"
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  • AND "HOPE" IN BIG, BOLD LETTERS.
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  • IT COMES IN TWO STYLES,
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  • ONE FOR MEN
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  • AND ONE FOR WOMEN.
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  • SO GET YOUR JEREMIAH 29:11
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  • T-SHIRT TODAY,
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  • OR GIFT IT TO A FRIEND.
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  • TO ORDER,
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN,
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  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
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  • EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR,
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  • WE ARE WATCHING YOUR WORLD,
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  • LOOKING AT EVENTS THAT ARE
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  • IMPORTANT TO CHRISTIANS
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  • THE WORLD OVER,
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  • AND BRINGING THOSE IMPORTANT
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  • NEWS STORIES TO YOU.
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  • MATT HAGEE, HOSTING
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  • THE CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE...
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  • HELLO AND WELCOME TO
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  • HAGEE HOTLINE.
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  • YOUR WORLD FROM CORNERSTONE
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  • CHURCH,
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  • TUESDAYS AT 10:00 A.M.,
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  • 8:00 P.M.
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  • AND 10:00 P.M. CENTRAL TIME,
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  • SUNDAYS AT 12:30 P.M.
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  • CENTRAL TIME ON GETV.ORG.
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  • MUSIC
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: OUR FIRST GUEST
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  • IS A BEST-SELLING AUTHOR WITH
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  • A BACKGROUND IN GOVERNMENT,
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  • EDUCATION, PSYCHOLOGY,
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  • HUMAN DEVELOPMENT.
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  • PLEASE WELCOME TO
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  • "THE DIFFERENCE,"
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  • DR. CINDY TRIMM.
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: YAY!
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: DR. TRIMM: WELCOME.
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  • TREY WARE: THANK YOU.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S GOOD TO SEE
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  • YOU.
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  • CINDY TRIMM: I'M SO EXCITED
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  • TO BE HERE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: THANK YOU SO MUCH
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  • FOR COMING ON.
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  • MATT HAGEE: THANK YOU FOR BEING
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  • A PART OF OUR PROGRAM TODAY.
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  • SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING
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  • REFINED, NOT DEFINED.
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  • AND YOU'RE BOOK HAS REALLY
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  • STRUCK A CORD MY WIFE
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  • BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DIAMOND
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  • ON THE FRONT OF IT.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: A BIG DIAMOND,
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  • WHICH DRAWS MY ATTENTION.
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  • CINDY TRIMM: I KNOW.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: "PREVAIL:
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  • DISCOVER YOUR STRENGTH IN HARD
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  • PLACES."
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  • CINDY TRIMM: YEAH.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: TELL ME.
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  • CINDY TRIMM: WE'RE TOUGHER
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  • THAN OUR HARD TIMES.
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  • AND ONE OF THE THINGS
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  • THAT I DISCOVERED,
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  • IN WRITING THAT BOOK,
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  • SOMEONE FROM RUSSIA WROTE ME,
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  • AND THEY WERE SUICIDAL.
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  • AND THEY ASKED ME YOU KNOW,
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  • WHY DOES LIFE ALWAYS HAVE
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  • PROBLEMS?
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  • AND I THOUGHT THAT'S
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  • AN INTERESTING QUESTION,
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  • SO I WROTE HER BACK A SHORT
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  • PARAGRAPH AND ENCOURAGED HER.
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  • SHE WROTE ME BACK,
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  • AND SHE SAID, EXPLAIN IT MORE.
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  • SO I ENDED UP WITH A PAGE.
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  • AND THEN SHE WROTE ME BACK.
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  • AND THAT'S HOW THAT BOOK
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  • WAS BIRTHED.
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  • IT WAS BIRTHED BECAUSE SOMEONE
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  • ASKED ME ONE OF THOSE TOUGH
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  • QUESTIONS.
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  • THEY WERE A TOUGH TIME.
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  • AND THEN GOD BEGAN TO TALK
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  • TO ME ABOUT THE PROSPERING POWER
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  • OF PROBLEMS.
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  • THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL TITLE
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  • OF THE BOOK,
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  • AND IT WAS TOO LONG.
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  • I JUST CALLED IT "PREVAIL."
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  • AND THE LAST,
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  • THE LAST REVELATION GOD GAVE ME
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  • WAS A REVELATION OF A DIAMOND.
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  • AND IT CAME FROM LOOKING
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  • AT THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE.
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  • AND THAT INSPIRED THE WHOLE
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  • FACET AND WHO WE ARE
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  • AS HUMAN BEINGS.
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  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW AS YOU
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  • TALK ABOUT THE ANALOGY
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  • OF A DIAMOND, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY,
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  • CERTAINLY MADE MORE BEAUTIFUL
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  • WITH THE MORE INTENSE SITUATIONS
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  • THEY GO THROUGH.
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  • AND IN MANY CASES,
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  • LIFE IS THE SAME WAY.
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  • THE MORE INTENSE
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  • THE CIRCUMSTANCE,
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  • THE MORE BEAUTIFUL IT CAN
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  • BECOME.
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  • CINDY TRIMM: TRULY.
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  • YOU KNOW IT'S THE PRESSURE
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  • AND THE HEAT THAT MAKES
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  • THE DIAMOND.
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  • AND I FOUND OUT SOMETHING
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  • ABOUT A DIAMOND.
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  • AND THE ANALOGY THAT GOD GAVE
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  • ME;
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  • THE DIAMOND COMES FROM
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  • THIS GREEK --
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  • FROM A LATIN WORD "ADAMAS."
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  • AND THE NAME THAT GOD SELECTED
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  • FOR HUMANITY WAS "ADAM."
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  • THE SHORTENED WORD VERSION
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  • OF "ADAMAS" IS THE ROOT WORD
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  • BASICALLY.
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  • AND SO YOU KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT
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  • LIFE, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW,
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  • HOW DO I DO LIFE BETTER,
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  • AND IS THERE A REASON WHY HARD
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  • TIMES HAVE TO BE A PART
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  • OF OUR SCENARIO?
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  • AND I THINK LIFE STRATEGIES,
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  • YOU KNOW BEING ABLE TO HELP
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  • PEOPLE WITH THEIR LIFE
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  • STRATEGIES -- AND VERY FEW
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  • PEOPLE LOOK TO THE BIBLE
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  • AND CONSIDER THE BIBLE AS A BOOK
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  • OF LIFE STRATEGIES,
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  • BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS
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  • BASICALLY.
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  • MATT HAGEE: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • IT'S A TEACHING AID.
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  • CINDY TRIMM: YEAH.
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  • AND SO HELPING PEOPLE
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  • AND USING PRINCIPLES,
  • 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:33.200
  • BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES,
  • 00:06:33.200 --> 00:06:34.280
  • AND MAKING THEM VERY PRACTICAL
  • 00:06:34.280 --> 00:06:36.230
  • TO SHOW THEM HOW TOUGH THEY
  • 00:06:36.230 --> 00:06:38.030
  • REALLY ARE AND THAT TOUGH TIMES
  • 00:06:38.030 --> 00:06:40.020
  • DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE YOU.
  • 00:06:40.020 --> 00:06:41.270
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:06:41.270 --> 00:06:42.140
  • AND YOU TALK ABOUT GETTING BACK
  • 00:06:42.140 --> 00:06:43.120
  • IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
  • 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:44.060
  • CINDY TRIMM: YES.
  • 00:06:44.060 --> 00:06:44.240
  • KENDAL HAGEE: WHAT DOES THAT
  • 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:45.130
  • MEAN?
  • 00:06:45.130 --> 00:06:46.040
  • CINDY TRIMM: TAKING YOUR POWER
  • 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:46.280
  • BACK.
  • 00:06:46.280 --> 00:06:47.170
  • GOD HAS GIVEN YOU POWER.
  • 00:06:47.170 --> 00:06:48.280
  • THE BIBLE SAYS THAT WE OVERCOME
  • 00:06:48.280 --> 00:06:51.080
  • BECAUSE OF THIS POWER
  • 00:06:51.080 --> 00:06:52.200
  • THAT WORKS IN US.
  • 00:06:52.200 --> 00:06:53.270
  • AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAUL
  • 00:06:53.270 --> 00:06:55.020
  • SAID TO DAVID THAT WAS SO
  • 00:06:55.020 --> 00:06:56.160
  • AMAZING.
  • 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:57.190
  • HE PROPHESIES NOW.
  • 00:06:57.190 --> 00:06:58.200
  • FIRSTLY, HIS SOCIOPATH,
  • 00:06:58.200 --> 00:07:01.190
  • AND HE PROPHESIES TO DAVID.
  • 00:07:01.190 --> 00:07:03.090
  • HE SAID,
  • 00:07:03.090 --> 00:07:03.280
  • GOD IS GOING TO HELP YOU
  • 00:07:03.280 --> 00:07:05.010
  • TO PREVAIL.
  • 00:07:05.010 --> 00:07:06.080
  • GOD'S GOING TO HELP YOU
  • 00:07:06.080 --> 00:07:07.070
  • TO OVERCOME.
  • 00:07:07.070 --> 00:07:08.070
  • AND HE WAS A PART
  • 00:07:08.070 --> 00:07:09.200
  • OF THE PROBLEM ANY WAY.
  • 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:11.010
  • BUT I'VE DISCOVERED THAT YOU
  • 00:07:11.010 --> 00:07:13.170
  • KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE
  • 00:07:13.170 --> 00:07:15.050
  • THAT HAVE PREVAILED,
  • 00:07:15.050 --> 00:07:16.190
  • IT'S A CELEBRATION OF
  • 00:07:16.190 --> 00:07:18.090
  • THE HUMAN SPIRIT;
  • 00:07:18.090 --> 00:07:19.120
  • THAT GOD MADE US AND CREATED US
  • 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.120
  • IN HIS IMAGE
  • 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:22.060
  • AND AFTER HIS LIKENESS.
  • 00:07:22.060 --> 00:07:23.090
  • AND IN GENESIS 1,
  • 00:07:23.090 --> 00:07:24.270
  • IT SHOWS US HOW HE PREVAILED
  • 00:07:24.270 --> 00:07:27.100
  • OVER ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT
  • 00:07:27.100 --> 00:07:28.280
  • THE ENEMY HAD CREATED.
  • 00:07:28.280 --> 00:07:30.240
  • AND GOD PREVAILED.
  • 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:31.250
  • AND THEN GOD TURNS AROUND,
  • 00:07:31.250 --> 00:07:33.070
  • MAKES US IN HIS IMAGE
  • 00:07:33.070 --> 00:07:34.040
  • AND AFTER HIS LIKENESS.
  • 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.020
  • AND YOU KNOW A LOT OF US HAVE
  • 00:07:36.020 --> 00:07:37.290
  • LEARNED HELPLESSNESS.
  • 00:07:37.290 --> 00:07:39.270
  • BUT WE CAN LEARN HOW TO MAKE IT
  • 00:07:39.270 --> 00:07:42.220
  • THROUGH ONCE WE UNDERSTAND
  • 00:07:42.220 --> 00:07:44.100
  • WHO WE ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.
  • 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:45.230
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S A MENTALITY.
  • 00:07:45.230 --> 00:07:46.210
  • YOU EITHER TAKE ON THE MINDSET
  • 00:07:46.210 --> 00:07:47.210
  • OF A VICTIM OR A VICTOR.
  • 00:07:47.210 --> 00:07:49.230
  • IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE
  • 00:07:49.230 --> 00:07:51.070
  • THE FACT THAT HARD TIMES COME.
  • 00:07:51.070 --> 00:07:53.030
  • YOU KNOW YOU MENTIONED
  • 00:07:53.030 --> 00:07:54.040
  • IN YOUR BOOK THAT HARD TIMES
  • 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:55.150
  • ARE KIND OF CYCLE BREAKERS;
  • 00:07:55.150 --> 00:07:57.270
  • THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY
  • 00:07:57.270 --> 00:07:59.050
  • THERE.
  • 00:07:59.050 --> 00:07:59.190
  • NOW THAT'S A PERSPECTIVE
  • 00:07:59.190 --> 00:08:00.150
  • THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY
  • 00:08:00.150 --> 00:08:01.150
  • WOULDN'T HAVE.
  • 00:08:01.150 --> 00:08:02.090
  • THEY WOULD LOOK AT A HARD TIME
  • 00:08:02.090 --> 00:08:03.070
  • AS THEY'VE EITHER DONE
  • 00:08:03.070 --> 00:08:04.230
  • SOMETHING WRONG TO DESERVE
  • 00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:06.010
  • THIS HARDSHIP,
  • 00:08:06.010 --> 00:08:07.010
  • OR THAT THEY'RE SUFFERING
  • 00:08:07.010 --> 00:08:09.040
  • FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER.
  • 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:10.060
  • BUT WHENEVER YOU DESCRIBE
  • 00:08:10.060 --> 00:08:11.130
  • A HARDSHIP OR A HARD TIME,
  • 00:08:11.130 --> 00:08:12.220
  • YOU SAY, IT'S A CYCLE BREAKER,
  • 00:08:12.220 --> 00:08:14.110
  • IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
  • 00:08:14.110 --> 00:08:15.070
  • WHAT IS THAT OPPORTUNITY?
  • 00:08:15.070 --> 00:08:16.190
  • CINDY TRIMM: I THINK IT'S AN
  • 00:08:16.190 --> 00:08:17.240
  • OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO LIFE
  • 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:18.280
  • BETTER, TO KNOW GOD,
  • 00:08:18.280 --> 00:08:20.180
  • TO KNOW WHO WE ARE,
  • 00:08:20.180 --> 00:08:21.170
  • WHO GOD MADE US TO BE.
  • 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:23.140
  • AND I LOOK AT TWO MAJOR
  • 00:08:24.150 --> 00:08:27.150
  • "PAIN DELIVERERS,"
  • 00:08:27.150 --> 00:08:29.020
  • I CALL THEM,
  • 00:08:29.020 --> 00:08:29.280
  • THINGS THAT DELIVER PAIN.
  • 00:08:29.280 --> 00:08:31.030
  • THAT'S REJECTION
  • 00:08:31.030 --> 00:08:32.090
  • AND THEN THAT'S A CRISIS.
  • 00:08:32.090 --> 00:08:33.250
  • THOSE TWO THINGS BRING THE MOST
  • 00:08:33.250 --> 00:08:35.080
  • KINDS,
  • 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:36.150
  • THE HEAVIEST KIND OF HUMAN
  • 00:08:36.150 --> 00:08:38.090
  • PAIN, EMOTIONAL, FINANCIAL.
  • 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.120
  • BUT REJECTION REALLY IS
  • 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.180
  • A DIVINE INDICATION THAT YOU'VE
  • 00:08:43.180 --> 00:08:46.050
  • OUTGROWN A RELATIONSHIP,
  • 00:08:46.050 --> 00:08:48.220
  • A REALM,
  • 00:08:48.220 --> 00:08:49.250
  • YOU'VE OUTGROWN A SITUATION.
  • 00:08:49.250 --> 00:08:51.210
  • AND THE CRISIS IS
  • 00:08:51.210 --> 00:08:53.110
  • AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT IT'S TIME
  • 00:08:53.110 --> 00:08:54.220
  • TO MOVE ON.
  • 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:56.150
  • THAT REJECTION THAT COMES,
  • 00:08:56.150 --> 00:08:58.060
  • IT COMES TO LET US KNOW, AGAIN,
  • 00:08:58.060 --> 00:09:00.080
  • THAT WE'VE OUTGROWN.
  • 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:01.190
  • AND A RELATIONSHIP NO LONGER
  • 00:09:01.190 --> 00:09:03.020
  • HAS THE CAPACITY
  • 00:09:03.020 --> 00:09:04.140
  • FOR OUR GREATNESS,
  • 00:09:04.140 --> 00:09:05.120
  • EITHER TO NURTURE IT
  • 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:06.110
  • OR TO SUPPORT IT,
  • 00:09:06.110 --> 00:09:07.200
  • OR THE REALM THAT WE'RE LIVING
  • 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.270
  • IN,
  • 00:09:08.270 --> 00:09:09.200
  • OR THE SEASON THAT WE'RE IN.
  • 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.000
  • THESE ARE ALL DIVINE
  • 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:11.270
  • ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT IT'S TIME
  • 00:09:11.270 --> 00:09:13.210
  • TO GROW,
  • 00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:14.200
  • IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD,
  • 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.050
  • IT'S TIME TO PROGRESS.
  • 00:09:16.050 --> 00:09:17.190
  • AND YOU KNOW I WAS LOOKING AT
  • 00:09:17.190 --> 00:09:19.240
  • THE STORY OF LOT AND HIS WIFE,
  • 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.150
  • AND LOT USES ALCOHOL,
  • 00:09:22.150 --> 00:09:24.110
  • OF COURSE, AS A PAIN RELIEVER.
  • 00:09:24.110 --> 00:09:26.290
  • BUT HIS WIFE IS STUCK.
  • 00:09:26.290 --> 00:09:28.280
  • SHE'S REALLY STUCK.
  • 00:09:28.280 --> 00:09:29.260
  • THE PILLAR OF SALT REPRESENTS
  • 00:09:29.260 --> 00:09:31.070
  • PEOPLE THAT MOVE FORWARD
  • 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.200
  • BUT CAN'T MOVE ON.
  • 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.180
  • MATT HAGEE: THEY MOVE FORWARD
  • 00:09:36.180 --> 00:09:37.130
  • WHILE LOOKING BACK.
  • 00:09:37.130 --> 00:09:38.040
  • KENDAL HAGEE: SHE'S STILL
  • 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:38.200
  • LOOKING BACK.
  • 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:39.000
  • CINDY TRIMM: YEAH.
  • 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.000
  • YOU CANNOT -- AND YOU KNOW SO A
  • 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.090
  • LOT OF PEOPLE ASK THE QUESTION:
  • 00:09:41.090 --> 00:09:43.000
  • WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN EVERYTHING
  • 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:44.290
  • YOU'VE BUILT YOUR LIFE ON GOES
  • 00:09:44.290 --> 00:09:46.200
  • UP IN SMOKE?
  • 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:47.290
  • AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT
  • 00:09:47.290 --> 00:09:48.200
  • OF PEOPLE ARE WITH DIVORCES,
  • 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.120
  • SICKNESS, LOSS OF CHILDREN,
  • 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.010
  • LOSS OF JOB,
  • 00:09:52.010 --> 00:09:52.270
  • LOSS OF REPUTATION.
  • 00:09:52.270 --> 00:09:54.090
  • WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU CANNOT
  • 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:55.210
  • GO FORWARD, GO BACKWARDS.
  • 00:09:55.290 --> 00:09:58.290
  • YOU START WITH WHAT YOU ARE,
  • 00:09:58.290 --> 00:10:00.240
  • WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT YOU HAVE.
  • 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.170
  • AND EVERYTHING NECESSARY
  • 00:10:02.170 --> 00:10:04.060
  • FOR YOU TO FULFILL GOD'S
  • 00:10:04.060 --> 00:10:05.050
  • ORIGINAL PLAN AND PURPOSE WILL
  • 00:10:05.050 --> 00:10:06.220
  • COME TO YOU WHEN YOU NEED IT.
  • 00:10:06.220 --> 00:10:08.170
  • BUT A LOT OF US SEE THE
  • 00:10:08.170 --> 00:10:09.130
  • OBSTACLE AND WE DON'T SET GOALS.
  • 00:10:10.190 --> 00:10:13.190
  • GOALS MOVE YOU BEYOND WHERE YOU
  • 00:10:13.190 --> 00:10:15.210
  • ARE.
  • 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:16.220
  • AND I THINK --
  • 00:10:16.220 --> 00:10:17.180
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU SAID
  • 00:10:17.180 --> 00:10:18.140
  • SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT
  • 00:10:18.140 --> 00:10:19.090
  • ABOUT "WHEN YOU NEED IT."
  • 00:10:19.090 --> 00:10:20.060
  • YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
  • 00:10:20.060 --> 00:10:21.030
  • ABOUT REJECTION AND THE THINGS
  • 00:10:21.030 --> 00:10:22.050
  • THAT COME WITH REJECTION,
  • 00:10:22.050 --> 00:10:23.240
  • BEING THAT YOU'VE OUTGROWN
  • 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:24.190
  • A CIRCUMSTANCE,
  • 00:10:24.190 --> 00:10:25.070
  • I CONSIDER JOSEPH.
  • 00:10:25.070 --> 00:10:26.160
  • CINDY TRIMM: YEAH.
  • 00:10:26.160 --> 00:10:27.060
  • MATT HAGEE: JOSEPH WAS REJECTED
  • 00:10:27.060 --> 00:10:28.020
  • BY HIS BROTHERS,
  • 00:10:28.020 --> 00:10:28.220
  • BECAUSE HE HAD OUTGROWN
  • 00:10:28.220 --> 00:10:29.220
  • THAT TENT AND HE NEEDED
  • 00:10:29.220 --> 00:10:30.250
  • A BIGGER KINGDOM.
  • 00:10:30.250 --> 00:10:32.110
  • AND YET,
  • 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:33.010
  • GOD DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE ANSWER
  • 00:10:33.010 --> 00:10:35.070
  • TO PHARAOH'S DREAM
  • 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:36.120
  • UNTIL HE NEEDED THE ANSWER
  • 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:37.230
  • TO PHARAOH'S DREAM.
  • 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:38.200
  • HE DIDN'T TELL JOSEPH IN THE
  • 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:39.240
  • PIT, HEY, SEVEN LEAN YEARS,
  • 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.280
  • SEVEN ABUNDANT YEARS,
  • 00:10:41.280 --> 00:10:43.040
  • YOU BUILD THE STOREHOUSES,
  • 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:44.070
  • YOU'RE GOING TO BE A HERO.
  • 00:10:44.070 --> 00:10:45.200
  • BECAUSE HAD JOSEPH HAD THAT
  • 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:46.200
  • INFORMATION SO PREMATURELY,
  • 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.280
  • HE'D HAVE STARTED TELLING
  • 00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:49.190
  • POTIPHAR, HEY,
  • 00:10:49.190 --> 00:10:50.100
  • THERE'S GOING TO BE A FAMINE.
  • 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:51.100
  • AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE TOLD
  • 00:10:51.100 --> 00:10:52.040
  • THIS GUY,
  • 00:10:52.040 --> 00:10:52.280
  • HEY, THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT.
  • 00:10:52.280 --> 00:10:53.280
  • AND YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WE TALK
  • 00:10:53.280 --> 00:10:55.100
  • OURSELVES INTO TROUBLE BECAUSE
  • 00:10:55.100 --> 00:10:57.080
  • WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO
  • 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.060
  • UNDERSTAND THAT GOD'S TIMING,
  • 00:10:59.060 --> 00:11:01.000
  • GOD'S PLAN,
  • 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.120
  • IT ALL GOES IN ACCORDANCE
  • 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:03.200
  • WITH HIS PURPOSE, NOT OURS.
  • 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.180
  • HOW MANY TIMES DO WE CREATE
  • 00:11:05.180 --> 00:11:06.220
  • OUR OWN TROUBLE BECAUSE WE FIND
  • 00:11:06.220 --> 00:11:08.230
  • OURSELVES IMPATIENT?
  • 00:11:08.230 --> 00:11:10.160
  • CINDY TRIMM: COULD THINGS BE
  • 00:11:10.160 --> 00:11:11.210
  • THE WAY THEY ARE BECAUSE YOU
  • 00:11:11.210 --> 00:11:13.090
  • ARE THE WAY YOU ARE?
  • 00:11:13.090 --> 00:11:15.010
  • AND WHAT ONE THING CAN YOU
  • 00:11:15.010 --> 00:11:16.090
  • CHANGE THAT CAN CHANGE
  • 00:11:16.090 --> 00:11:17.100
  • EVERYTHING?
  • 00:11:17.100 --> 00:11:18.080
  • MATT HAGEE: US.
  • 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:19.010
  • CINDY TRIMM: YES.
  • 00:11:19.010 --> 00:11:19.240
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING
  • 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:20.220
  • TO CHANGE EVERYTHING OUTSIDE
  • 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:22.110
  • OF THEM,
  • 00:11:22.110 --> 00:11:23.150
  • BUT THE CHANGE BEGINS
  • 00:11:23.150 --> 00:11:24.140
  • ON THE INSIDE.
  • 00:11:24.140 --> 00:11:25.100
  • AND I'VE DISCOVERED THIS;
  • 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:26.180
  • THAT CHANGE IS NOT JUST
  • 00:11:26.180 --> 00:11:27.190
  • A PROCESS; IT'S A PERSON.
  • 00:11:27.190 --> 00:11:29.200
  • IT'S JESUS CHRIST, ALLOWING HIM
  • 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.030
  • TO REFINE THOSE AREAS THAT
  • 00:11:32.030 --> 00:11:34.230
  • HITHERTO HAVE NOT BEEN REFINED.
  • 00:11:34.230 --> 00:11:37.140
  • AND YOU KNOW I'VE DISCOVERED
  • 00:11:37.140 --> 00:11:38.210
  • ALSO THAT WHEN LIFE CUTS YOU
  • 00:11:38.210 --> 00:11:39.290
  • THE DEEPEST IS BECAUSE GOD IS
  • 00:11:39.290 --> 00:11:41.260
  • JUST CHISELING OUT ANOTHER
  • 00:11:41.260 --> 00:11:43.160
  • FACET OF HIS BRILLIANCE.
  • 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:45.170
  • AND IT ALLOWS HIS LIGHT
  • 00:11:45.170 --> 00:11:47.070
  • TO SHINE.
  • 00:11:47.070 --> 00:11:48.130
  • SO WE'RE MULTIFACETED LIKE
  • 00:11:48.130 --> 00:11:49.240
  • A BRILLIANT DIAMOND.
  • 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:50.240
  • A BRILLIANT DIAMOND HAS
  • 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:51.290
  • 57 FACETS.
  • 00:11:51.290 --> 00:11:53.200
  • AND IT'S INTERESTING; 24,
  • 00:11:54.190 --> 00:11:57.190
  • 24 AND 33 MAKES 57.
  • 00:11:57.190 --> 00:12:00.100
  • I CAN COUNT.
  • 00:12:00.100 --> 00:12:01.270
  • AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE 24
  • 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:05.100
  • IS THE NUMBER OF PRIESTHOOD.
  • 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:07.070
  • WE ARE A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.
  • 00:12:07.070 --> 00:12:08.290
  • THIRTY-THREE IS THE NUMBER
  • 00:12:08.290 --> 00:12:10.240
  • OF YEARS THAT CHRIST DIED
  • 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.210
  • TO RECROWN US WITH HIS GLORY.
  • 00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:16.010
  • SO YOU GET THE WHOLE ROYAL
  • 00:12:16.010 --> 00:12:16.290
  • PRIESTHOOD IN A BRILLIANT
  • 00:12:16.290 --> 00:12:18.020
  • DIAMOND.
  • 00:12:18.020 --> 00:12:19.080
  • AND YOU KNOW DIAMONDS CAN ONLY
  • 00:12:19.190 --> 00:12:22.190
  • BE DISCOVERED WHEN THEIR PUSHED
  • 00:12:22.190 --> 00:12:24.130
  • UP FROM PRESSURE.
  • 00:12:24.130 --> 00:12:27.020
  • SO LIFE'S UPHEAVAL ONLY BRINGS
  • 00:12:27.170 --> 00:12:30.170
  • THE BEST OUT OF YOU.
  • 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:32.000
  • AND IT'S ALL ABOUT PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:33.170
  • SO THIS IS WHAT THIS BOOK
  • 00:12:33.170 --> 00:12:34.150
  • IS ABOUT.
  • 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:35.020
  • IT'S A CELEBRATION OF THE HUMAN
  • 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:38.230
  • SPIRIT AND HOW GOD HAS CREATED
  • 00:12:38.230 --> 00:12:40.150
  • US AFTER HIS IMAGE
  • 00:12:40.150 --> 00:12:41.150
  • AND AFTER HIS LIKENESS.
  • 00:12:41.150 --> 00:12:42.140
  • MATT HAGEE: MATT HAGEE: WELL
  • 00:12:42.140 --> 00:12:43.150
  • THANK YOU FOR BEING OBEDIENT
  • 00:12:43.150 --> 00:12:44.070
  • TO WRITE THAT WORK.
  • 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:45.100
  • WHEN WE COME BACK,
  • 00:12:45.100 --> 00:12:46.090
  • WE'RE GOING TO MEET A LONG-TIME
  • 00:12:46.090 --> 00:12:47.140
  • SAN ANTONIO RADIO PERSONALITY.
  • 00:12:47.140 --> 00:12:49.090
  • TREY WARE JOINS US TO TALK
  • 00:12:49.090 --> 00:12:50.200
  • ABOUT BEING REFINED,
  • 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.040
  • NOT DEFINED.
  • 00:12:52.040 --> 00:12:53.080
  • STAY WITH US.
  • 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:54.090
  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • JEREMIAH 29:11, "FOR I KNOW THE
  • 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:02.100
  • PLANS I HAVE FOR YOU.
  • 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:04.070
  • THEY ARE PLANS FOR GOOD
  • 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:05.230
  • AND NOT FOR DISASTER,
  • 00:13:05.230 --> 00:13:07.060
  • TO GIVE YOU A FUTURE
  • 00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:08.190
  • AND A HOPE."
  • 00:13:08.190 --> 00:13:10.000
  • THIS PROMISE IS FEATURED ON OUR
  • 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.130
  • NEW JEREMIAH 29:11 T-SHIRTS
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  • WITH THE WORDS "FUTURE"
  • 00:13:14.060 --> 00:13:15.190
  • AND "HOPE" IN BIG, BOLD LETTERS.
  • 00:13:15.190 --> 00:13:18.120
  • IT COMES IN TWO STYLES,
  • 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.160
  • ONE FOR MEN
  • 00:13:19.160 --> 00:13:20.100
  • AND ONE FOR WOMEN.
  • 00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:21.180
  • SO GET YOUR JEREMIAH 29:11
  • 00:13:21.180 --> 00:13:23.150
  • T-SHIRT TODAY,
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  • OR GIFT IT TO A FRIEND.
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  • TO ORDER,
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN,
  • 00:13:26.190 --> 00:13:27.240
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:30.010
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: DID YOU
  • 00:13:30.010 --> 00:13:31.110
  • KNOW SUNDAY SERVICES AT
  • 00:13:31.110 --> 00:13:32.100
  • CORNERSTONE ARE STREAMED LIVE
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  • ON GETV.ORG?
  • 00:13:34.060 --> 00:13:36.110
  • TELL YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS,
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  • NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE,
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  • THEY CAN JOIN YOU FOR CHURCH.
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  • MUSIC
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  • EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR,
  • 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.120
  • WE ARE WATCHING YOUR WORLD,
  • 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.120
  • LOOKING AT EVENTS THAT ARE
  • 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:55.130
  • IMPORTANT TO CHRISTIANS
  • 00:13:55.130 --> 00:13:56.220
  • THE WORLD OVER,
  • 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:58.020
  • AND BRINGING THOSE IMPORTANT
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  • NEWS STORIES TO YOU.
  • 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.210
  • MATT HAGEE, HOSTING
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  • THE CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE...
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  • HELLO AND WELCOME TO
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  • HAGEE HOTLINE.
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  • YOUR WORLD FROM CORNERSTONE
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  • CHURCH,
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  • TUESDAYS AT 10:00 A.M.,
  • 00:14:08.140 --> 00:14:10.050
  • 8:00 P.M.
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  • AND 10:00 P.M. CENTRAL TIMES,
  • 00:14:10.260 --> 00:14:12.290
  • SUNDAYS AT 12:30 P.M.
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  • CENTRAL TIME ON GETV.ORG.
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  • MUSIC
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  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: SOONER
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  • OR LATER,
  • 00:14:21.110 --> 00:14:22.150
  • YOU'RE GOING TO FACE A CRISIS
  • 00:14:22.150 --> 00:14:23.180
  • THAT YOUR RESOURCES
  • 00:14:23.180 --> 00:14:24.140
  • CANNOT HANDLE.
  • 00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:25.160
  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE
  • 00:14:25.160 --> 00:14:26.190
  • A MIRACLE TO SURVIVE.
  • 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:29.110
  • HAS AN ILLNESS DEVASTATED
  • 00:14:29.110 --> 00:14:30.190
  • YOUR FAMILY
  • 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:31.160
  • AND LEFT YOU WITHOUT HOPE?
  • 00:14:31.160 --> 00:14:32.260
  • A FINANCIAL CRISIS CRUSHED
  • 00:14:32.260 --> 00:14:34.090
  • YOUR DREAMS?
  • 00:14:34.090 --> 00:14:35.140
  • A BROKEN HEART LEFT YOU ALONE
  • 00:14:35.140 --> 00:14:37.180
  • AND AFRAID?
  • 00:14:37.180 --> 00:14:38.150
  • WHAT MIRACLE DO YOU NEED
  • 00:14:38.150 --> 00:14:39.200
  • TO TAKE PLACE IN YOUR LIFE?
  • 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.170
  • RECEIVE PASTOR'S TWO-SERMON
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  • SERIES,
  • 00:14:42.270 --> 00:14:43.230
  • "I BELIEVE IN MIRACLES"
  • 00:14:43.230 --> 00:14:45.170
  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF ANY AMOUNT.
  • 00:14:45.170 --> 00:14:47.060
  • AS A BONUS, FOR YOUR DONATION
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  • OF $95 OR MORE,
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  • YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE
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  • "THE POWER TO HEAL"
  • 00:14:51.270 --> 00:14:53.000
  • SCRIPTURE PLAYER;
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  • PASTOR'S BOOKLET,
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  • "THE POWER TO HEAL,"
  • 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:56.150
  • AND A BOTTLE OF ANOINTING OIL.
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  • RECEIVING YOUR MIRACLE
  • 00:14:58.100 --> 00:14:59.240
  • BEGINS WITH HAVING FAITH
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  • IN GOD.
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  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: FOR ALL
  • 00:15:01.290 --> 00:15:03.130
  • YOU DO THROUGH YOUR PRAYER
  • 00:15:03.130 --> 00:15:04.150
  • AND YOUR SACRIFICIAL GIVING,
  • 00:15:04.150 --> 00:15:06.080
  • I BLESS YOU
  • 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:07.060
  • IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.
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  • THESE RESOURCES WILL HELP
  • 00:15:08.130 --> 00:15:09.200
  • STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH IN GOD
  • 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.070
  • FOR YOUR MIRACLE.
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  • CALL 1-800-854-9899
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  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/THANKFUL.
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  • MUSIC
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  • FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE SHOW
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  • BY FOLLOWING
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  • MATT AND KENDAL HAGEE
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  • ON FACEBOOK,
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  • MUSIC
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  • TWITTER,
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  • MUSIC
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  • AND INSTAGRAM.
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  • MUSIC
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  • MUSIC
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  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:15:37.140 --> 00:15:40.140
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW PROBLEMS
  • 00:15:40.140 --> 00:15:41.130
  • ARE SOMETHING EVERYONE FACES.
  • 00:15:41.130 --> 00:15:42.260
  • MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT PROBLEMS
  • 00:15:42.260 --> 00:15:44.270
  • MEAN THAT GOD DOESN'T LOVE
  • 00:15:44.270 --> 00:15:45.280
  • THEM.
  • 00:15:45.280 --> 00:15:46.130
  • THE REALITY OF IT IS THE BIBLE
  • 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:47.240
  • SAID IN THE BOOK OF JOB THAT
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.240
  • MEN ARE BORN TO TROUBLE.
  • 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.200
  • "AS SPARKS FLY UPWARD
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  • FROM A FIRE,
  • 00:15:53.270 --> 00:15:54.200
  • SURELY A MAN IS BORN
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  • TO TROUBLE."
  • 00:15:55.270 --> 00:15:56.130
  • THAT'S WHAT JOB SAID.
  • 00:15:56.130 --> 00:15:57.280
  • THE THINK THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:15:57.280 --> 00:15:59.020
  • TO DECIDE IS WHEN TROUBLE COMES,
  • 00:15:59.020 --> 00:16:01.130
  • THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW TROUBLE
  • 00:16:01.130 --> 00:16:02.240
  • TO CHANGE OUR LIVES IN A WAY
  • 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.000
  • THAT REDEFINES US,
  • 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.240
  • BUT IT MAKES US BETTER.
  • 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.120
  • KENDAL HAGEE: AMEN.
  • 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:09.270
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW KENDAL AND
  • 00:16:09.270 --> 00:16:10.260
  • I OFTEN TALK ABOUT BECOMING
  • 00:16:10.260 --> 00:16:11.260
  • BETTER, NOT BITTER,
  • 00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:12.280
  • BECAUSE LIFE HAS ITS SHARE
  • 00:16:12.280 --> 00:16:14.020
  • OF BITTERNESS.
  • 00:16:14.020 --> 00:16:14.210
  • IT HAS ITS MOMENTS WHERE YOU
  • 00:16:14.210 --> 00:16:15.240
  • WONDER WHY.
  • 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:16.290
  • YOU KNOW YOU AND I,
  • 00:16:16.290 --> 00:16:17.230
  • WE WALKED THROUGH SOMETHING
  • 00:16:17.230 --> 00:16:18.210
  • WITH OUR PARENTS
  • 00:16:18.210 --> 00:16:19.250
  • NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO,
  • 00:16:19.250 --> 00:16:20.260
  • WHERE BOTH OF THEM WERE FACING
  • 00:16:20.260 --> 00:16:22.000
  • PHYSICAL STRUGGLES.
  • 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:23.200
  • KENDAL HAGEE: AT THE SAME TIME
  • 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:24.170
  • WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
  • 00:16:24.170 --> 00:16:25.140
  • MATT HAGEE: WE SPENT A LOT
  • 00:16:25.140 --> 00:16:26.130
  • OF TIME IN THE HOSPITAL.
  • 00:16:26.130 --> 00:16:27.100
  • AND ONE DAY,
  • 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:28.060
  • WE WERE SITTING THERE
  • 00:16:28.060 --> 00:16:29.040
  • DISCUSSING --
  • 00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:31.020
  • I'M WALKING OUT IN THE
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  • MORNING AS I'VE SPENT THE NIGHT
  • 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.040
  • WITH PASTOR,
  • 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:33.270
  • AND SHE'S WALKING IN TO GO SEE
  • 00:16:33.270 --> 00:16:34.290
  • HER MOTHER THERE,
  • 00:16:34.290 --> 00:16:36.070
  • LITERALLY ONE FLOOR APART.
  • 00:16:36.070 --> 00:16:38.000
  • AND AS WE'RE PASSING EACH OTHER
  • 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.080
  • IN THE PARKING LOT,
  • 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:40.160
  • WE SAW A FATHER WHO WAS PUSHING
  • 00:16:40.160 --> 00:16:42.050
  • HIS CHILD IN A WHEELCHAIR.
  • 00:16:42.050 --> 00:16:44.200
  • AND WE SUDDENLY DECIDED THAT OUR
  • 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.190
  • CIRCUMSTANCE WAS SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:16:46.190 --> 00:16:48.170
  • GOD WAS GOING TO WORK THROUGH,
  • 00:16:48.170 --> 00:16:49.240
  • AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET
  • 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:50.200
  • OUT OF, AND THAT WE HAD
  • 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:51.170
  • MANY THINGS TO BE THANKFUL FOR
  • 00:16:51.170 --> 00:16:53.120
  • INSTEAD OF THINGS TO BE
  • 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.030
  • UPSET ABOUT.
  • 00:16:54.030 --> 00:16:55.060
  • YOU KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF
  • 00:16:55.060 --> 00:16:56.000
  • PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THAT
  • 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:56.280
  • MIGHT THINK THAT THEY'VE GOT
  • 00:16:56.280 --> 00:16:58.070
  • SOMETHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT.
  • 00:16:58.070 --> 00:16:59.190
  • BUT OFTEN TIMES,
  • 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:00.130
  • WHAT IS IT THAT YOU SAY?
  • 00:17:00.130 --> 00:17:02.020
  • KENDAL HAGEE: DON'T SWEAT THE
  • 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:02.250
  • SMALL STUFF.
  • 00:17:02.250 --> 00:17:03.250
  • MATT HAGEE: IT COULD BE WORSE.
  • 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:04.190
  • KENDAL HAGEE: IT COULD BE
  • 00:17:04.190 --> 00:17:05.080
  • WORSE.
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  • MATT HAGEE: REALITY IS
  • 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:06.230
  • SOMETHING THAT EVERY ONE OF US
  • 00:17:06.230 --> 00:17:07.240
  • MUST FACE.
  • 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:08.220
  • WHEN WE FACE IT,
  • 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:09.200
  • MAKE SURE THAT YOU FACE IT,
  • 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.220
  • KNOWING THAT GOD HAS A PLAN
  • 00:17:10.220 --> 00:17:12.250
  • TO USE IT,
  • 00:17:12.250 --> 00:17:14.060
  • NOT ONLY TO PREPARE YOU
  • 00:17:14.060 --> 00:17:15.190
  • FOR GREATER THINGS TO COME,
  • 00:17:15.190 --> 00:17:17.100
  • BUT TO USE IT TO HELP OTHERS
  • 00:17:17.100 --> 00:17:18.150
  • HEAL.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: AMEN.
  • 00:17:19.100 --> 00:17:19.290
  • MATT HAGEE: HE'S A GOD WHO WILL
  • 00:17:19.290 --> 00:17:21.000
  • TAKE EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE,
  • 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:21.280
  • ACCORDING TO ROMANS 8,
  • 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:23.170
  • AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO
  • 00:17:23.170 --> 00:17:25.030
  • SEE HIS HAND OF GOOD THAT WILL
  • 00:17:25.030 --> 00:17:27.130
  • WORK OUT ALL THINGS
  • 00:17:27.130 --> 00:17:29.170
  • FOR HIS GLORY.
  • 00:17:29.170 --> 00:17:30.200
  • I ASSURE YOU HIS PROMISES
  • 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.100
  • ARE TRUE.
  • 00:17:32.100 --> 00:17:33.010
  • AND IF YOU'LL ALLOW THOSE
  • 00:17:33.010 --> 00:17:33.270
  • TROUBLES TO REFINE YOU,
  • 00:17:33.270 --> 00:17:35.260
  • NOT DEFINE YOU,
  • 00:17:35.260 --> 00:17:37.040
  • YOU'LL COME OUT ON TOP
  • 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:38.070
  • EVERY TIME.
  • 00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:38.270
  • KENDAL HAGEE: AMEN.
  • 00:17:38.270 --> 00:17:39.230
  • TODAY ON "THE DIFFERENCE,"
  • 00:17:39.230 --> 00:17:40.220
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT
  • 00:17:40.220 --> 00:17:41.200
  • LETTING OUR CIRCUMSTANCES
  • 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:42.290
  • DEFINE US,
  • 00:17:42.290 --> 00:17:44.030
  • BUT ALLOWING THEM TO REFINE US.
  • 00:17:44.030 --> 00:17:46.150
  • OUR NEXT GUEST HAS EXPERIENCED
  • 00:17:46.150 --> 00:17:48.030
  • ONE OF THE TOUGHEST TIMES
  • 00:17:48.030 --> 00:17:49.180
  • ANY PARENT WILL EVER KNOW.
  • 00:17:49.180 --> 00:17:51.100
  • PLEASE WELCOME TREY WARE.
  • 00:17:51.100 --> 00:17:54.050
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:17:54.050 --> 00:17:56.070
  • TREY WARE: HEY, GUYS.
  • 00:17:56.070 --> 00:17:57.050
  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO, FRIEND.
  • 00:17:57.050 --> 00:17:59.100
  • NO HAND SHAKES HERE.
  • 00:17:59.100 --> 00:18:00.230
  • TREY WARE: A STRAIGHT UP HUG.
  • 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:02.180
  • KENDAL HAGEE: A FAMILY HUG.
  • 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:03.180
  • TREY WARE: YEAH, WHY NOT?
  • 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:04.120
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:18:04.120 --> 00:18:05.220
  • TREY WARE: IT'S GOOD TO SEE
  • 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:06.090
  • BOTH OF YOU.
  • 00:18:06.090 --> 00:18:07.010
  • KENDAL HAGEE: GOOD TO SEE YOU.
  • 00:18:07.010 --> 00:18:07.260
  • TREY WARE: I APPRECIATE IT.
  • 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:08.240
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU'VE GOT PLENTY
  • 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.200
  • OF EXPERIENCE IN MEDIA.
  • 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:10.220
  • KENDAL HAGEE: I KNOW.
  • 00:18:10.220 --> 00:18:12.080
  • TREY WARE: A LITTLE BIT.
  • 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:12.240
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH,
  • 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:13.180
  • MAYBE NOT ON A TALK SHOW COUCH
  • 00:18:13.180 --> 00:18:14.140
  • SO MUCH.
  • 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:15.180
  • TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:16.180
  • A SUBJECT THAT YOU AND I'VE HAD
  • 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:17.270
  • THE CHANCE TOO VISIT ABOUT
  • 00:18:17.270 --> 00:18:20.030
  • MORE THAN PROBABLY EITHER OF US
  • 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:21.160
  • WOULD WISH,
  • 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:22.020
  • AND THAT'S ALLOWING TOUGH TIMES
  • 00:18:22.020 --> 00:18:24.150
  • TO REFINE, NOT DEFINE.
  • 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:27.120
  • YOU'VE KNOWN TOUGH TIMES.
  • 00:18:27.120 --> 00:18:29.050
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SENT
  • 00:18:29.050 --> 00:18:30.250
  • THEIR SUPPORT AND THEIR DESIRE
  • 00:18:30.270 --> 00:18:33.270
  • TO HELP.
  • 00:18:33.270 --> 00:18:35.050
  • BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE
  • 00:18:35.050 --> 00:18:37.020
  • TO DECIDE, AS YOU'VE SAID,
  • 00:18:37.020 --> 00:18:38.070
  • "TAKE IT ONE DAY AT A TIME."
  • 00:18:38.070 --> 00:18:39.040
  • TELL US ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:40.010
  • TREY WARE: WELL IT STARTS OFF
  • 00:18:40.010 --> 00:18:41.030
  • ACTUALLY ONE STEP AT A TIME.
  • 00:18:41.030 --> 00:18:42.270
  • BOTH OF YOU KNOW MY STORY.
  • 00:18:42.270 --> 00:18:44.010
  • AND SOME PEOPLE MAY KNOW
  • 00:18:44.010 --> 00:18:45.060
  • MY STORY OUT THERE.
  • 00:18:45.060 --> 00:18:46.130
  • BUT WE LOST BOTH OF
  • 00:18:46.130 --> 00:18:47.120
  • OUR CHILDREN TO SUICIDE,
  • 00:18:47.120 --> 00:18:48.290
  • FIVE YEARS APART,
  • 00:18:48.290 --> 00:18:50.000
  • FIVE DAYS APART.
  • 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:51.170
  • AND IT STARTED WITH
  • 00:18:51.170 --> 00:18:52.130
  • OUR DAUGHTER BACK IN 2009.
  • 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:55.130
  • AND BEFORE THEN,
  • 00:18:55.130 --> 00:18:56.090
  • SHE WAS HAVING TROUBLE
  • 00:18:56.090 --> 00:18:57.270
  • IN HER LIFE.
  • 00:18:57.270 --> 00:18:58.290
  • AND OF COURSE,
  • 00:18:58.290 --> 00:19:00.260
  • WE SOUGHT HELP AND WE SOUGHT
  • 00:19:00.260 --> 00:19:02.100
  • COUNSEL WHEREVER WE COULD.
  • 00:19:02.100 --> 00:19:04.220
  • AND SHE CONTINUED TO HAVE
  • 00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:07.010
  • GOOD DAYS,
  • 00:19:07.010 --> 00:19:07.230
  • BUT ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS DAYS,
  • 00:19:07.230 --> 00:19:09.230
  • AWFUL DAYS.
  • 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:10.280
  • AND IT ENDED UP WHERE SHE SAW
  • 00:19:10.280 --> 00:19:13.060
  • NO WAY OUT AND TOOK HER OWN
  • 00:19:13.060 --> 00:19:14.290
  • LIFE.
  • 00:19:14.290 --> 00:19:16.090
  • AND SO IT WAS DEVASTATING.
  • 00:19:16.090 --> 00:19:18.090
  • AND IT WAS DEVASTATING TO
  • 00:19:18.090 --> 00:19:19.140
  • HER OLDER BROTHER,
  • 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:20.210
  • BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE MAYBE
  • 00:19:20.210 --> 00:19:22.100
  • THERE WAS SOMETHING HE COULD
  • 00:19:22.100 --> 00:19:23.060
  • HAVE DONE A LONG THE WAY.
  • 00:19:23.060 --> 00:19:24.050
  • THERE'S A LOT OF GUILT THAT
  • 00:19:24.050 --> 00:19:25.040
  • GOES ALONG WITH THAT AND A LOT
  • 00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:27.280
  • OF PAIN AND HEARTACHE
  • 00:19:27.280 --> 00:19:29.070
  • AND EMBARRASSMENT, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:19:29.070 --> 00:19:31.150
  • SO FIVE YEARS AND FIVE DAYS
  • 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:34.280
  • TO THE DAY,
  • 00:19:34.280 --> 00:19:36.200
  • HE EXPERIENCED THE SAME
  • 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.040
  • SITUATION.
  • 00:19:38.040 --> 00:19:39.050
  • AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY,
  • 00:19:39.050 --> 00:19:40.120
  • OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:41.200
  • DEVASTATING AND CRUSHING.
  • 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.130
  • AND AS YOU SAID,
  • 00:19:44.130 --> 00:19:46.150
  • WE, MY WIFE AND I,
  • 00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:48.280
  • WE'VE BEEN MARRIED
  • 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:49.190
  • FOR 33 YEARS.
  • 00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:51.040
  • AND EARLY ON IN THE MARRIAGE,
  • 00:19:51.040 --> 00:19:53.100
  • WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO DIE
  • 00:19:53.100 --> 00:19:54.180
  • AS A COUPLE.
  • 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:55.260
  • THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GOING
  • 00:19:55.260 --> 00:19:56.150
  • TO BE.
  • 00:19:56.150 --> 00:19:57.040
  • AND WE WERE GOING TO BE
  • 00:19:57.040 --> 00:19:58.000
  • TOGETHER FOR ETERNITY.
  • 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:59.050
  • SO THERE WAS NO OTHER CHOICE
  • 00:19:59.250 --> 00:20:02.250
  • FOR US BUT TO SIT DOWN
  • 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:03.250
  • AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THIS,
  • 00:20:03.250 --> 00:20:06.080
  • HOW WE GET THROUGH THESE TWO
  • 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:08.060
  • ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS TRAGEDIES
  • 00:20:08.060 --> 00:20:09.230
  • THAT A PARENT CAN FACE.
  • 00:20:09.230 --> 00:20:10.230
  • AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS;
  • 00:20:10.230 --> 00:20:11.280
  • WHILE THESE ARE HORRENDOUS
  • 00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:13.120
  • TRAGEDIES,
  • 00:20:13.120 --> 00:20:14.020
  • AND I'M NOT ANYBODY THAT'S ANY
  • 00:20:14.020 --> 00:20:16.200
  • MORE FULL OF GOD'S GRACE
  • 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:17.270
  • OR MERCY THAN ANYBODY ELSE,
  • 00:20:17.270 --> 00:20:20.100
  • BUT YOU LOOK ACROSS AND YOU SEE
  • 00:20:20.120 --> 00:20:23.120
  • TRAGEDY EVERYWHERE.
  • 00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:24.170
  • YOU GUYS WERE JUST TALKING
  • 00:20:24.170 --> 00:20:25.150
  • ABOUT HOW THERE'S TRAGEDY
  • 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:27.230
  • ALMOST EVERYWHERE YOU TURN.
  • 00:20:27.230 --> 00:20:28.210
  • WE LIVE IN A FALLEN WORLD.
  • 00:20:28.210 --> 00:20:30.080
  • BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY
  • 00:20:30.080 --> 00:20:32.240
  • THAT YOU CAN TAKE ONE FURTHER
  • 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.070
  • STEP WITHOUT THE GRACE
  • 00:20:34.070 --> 00:20:35.250
  • AND MERCY OF GOD.
  • 00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:37.220
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW YOU'VE
  • 00:20:37.220 --> 00:20:39.020
  • DONE THAT.
  • 00:20:39.020 --> 00:20:40.000
  • YOU'VE GOT GRAND BABIES.
  • 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:41.290
  • YOU KNOW YOU CALL YOURSELF
  • 00:20:41.290 --> 00:20:42.260
  • "THE GRAND DUDE."
  • 00:20:42.260 --> 00:20:43.230
  • KENDAL HAGEE: I KNOW; I LOVE
  • 00:20:43.230 --> 00:20:44.180
  • IT.
  • 00:20:44.180 --> 00:20:45.200
  • MATT HAGEE: AND EVEN
  • 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.220
  • IN THESE TRYING AND DIFFICULT
  • 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:47.290
  • TIMES,
  • 00:20:47.290 --> 00:20:49.030
  • YOU FIND REASONS TO PRESS ON.
  • 00:20:49.030 --> 00:20:52.010
  • NOW HOW MUCH DO THOSE REASONS
  • 00:20:52.010 --> 00:20:54.090
  • PLAY IN THE DAILY DECISIONS
  • 00:20:54.090 --> 00:20:55.110
  • THAT YOU MAKE?
  • 00:20:55.110 --> 00:20:56.060
  • TREY WARE: WELL, AS AN EXAMPLE,
  • 00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:57.270
  • WHEN OUR DAUGHTER PASSED,
  • 00:20:57.270 --> 00:21:00.160
  • WE HAD OUR GRAND DAUGHTER.
  • 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.050
  • WE BECAME PARENTS AGAIN.
  • 00:21:03.050 --> 00:21:04.140
  • AND WE LOOKED AT THAT.
  • 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:05.070
  • SHE WAS TWO.
  • 00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:06.020
  • AND WE SAID,
  • 00:21:06.020 --> 00:21:06.260
  • WE NEVER PREPARED TO BE PARENTS
  • 00:21:06.260 --> 00:21:08.120
  • AGAIN.
  • 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:09.100
  • YOU KNOW I NEVER THOUGHT I WAS
  • 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:10.040
  • GOING TO BE ON MY KNEES GIVING
  • 00:21:10.040 --> 00:21:11.040
  • BATHS AGAIN.
  • 00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:12.000
  • I THOUGHT I WAS DONE WITH
  • 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:12.190
  • ALL THAT.
  • 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:13.190
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU MAY NOT
  • 00:21:13.190 --> 00:21:14.130
  • REMEMBER THIS.
  • 00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:15.010
  • BUT I'M SITTING
  • 00:21:15.010 --> 00:21:15.250
  • AT YOUR KITCHEN TABLE.
  • 00:21:15.250 --> 00:21:16.280
  • AND "AB" AS YOU CALL HER,
  • 00:21:16.280 --> 00:21:18.250
  • SHE'S STANDING THERE
  • 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:20.070
  • AT THE KITCHEN,
  • 00:21:20.070 --> 00:21:21.040
  • AND YOU AND I ARE TALKING.
  • 00:21:21.040 --> 00:21:22.000
  • AND SHE GOES,
  • 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.140
  • "YUNG, YUNG, YOGURT.
  • 00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:24.190
  • YUNG, YUNG, YUNG."
  • 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:25.180
  • AND YOU LOOKED AT ME
  • 00:21:25.180 --> 00:21:26.150
  • AND YOU'RE LIKE,
  • 00:21:26.150 --> 00:21:27.100
  • WHAT DOES SHE WANT?
  • 00:21:27.100 --> 00:21:28.020
  • I SAID, SHE WANTS YOGURT.
  • 00:21:28.020 --> 00:21:29.020
  • TREY WARE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:21:29.020 --> 00:21:29.210
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU'RE LIKE,
  • 00:21:29.210 --> 00:21:30.130
  • HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
  • 00:21:30.130 --> 00:21:31.060
  • MATT HAGEE: I SAID: I'VE GOT
  • 00:21:31.060 --> 00:21:31.280
  • A TWO YEAR OLD AT HOME.
  • 00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:32.230
  • I SAID, THAT'S YOGURT.
  • 00:21:32.230 --> 00:21:33.140
  • TREY WARE: YOU SPEAK
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:34.060
  • "TWO YEAR OLD."
  • 00:21:34.060 --> 00:21:34.200
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH, EXACTLY.
  • 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:35.130
  • I SAID, YOU NEED AN INTERPRETER.
  • 00:21:35.130 --> 00:21:36.110
  • AND SO YOU REALLY HAD TO KIND
  • 00:21:36.110 --> 00:21:37.190
  • OF RESET YOUR CLOCK.
  • 00:21:37.190 --> 00:21:38.180
  • TREY WARE: I DID.
  • 00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:39.100
  • I DID,
  • 00:21:39.100 --> 00:21:40.010
  • BECAUSE OUR DAYS OF DOING THAT
  • 00:21:40.010 --> 00:21:41.000
  • WERE ALL OVER WITH.
  • 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:41.200
  • BUT IT WAS SUCH A BLESSING.
  • 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:42.260
  • YOU KNOW SHE WAS A BLESSING.
  • 00:21:42.260 --> 00:21:44.030
  • TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE
  • 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.240
  • HAD TO GET UP EVERY DAY,
  • 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.120
  • WE HAD TO FUNCTION EVERY DAY.
  • 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:52.100
  • MATT HAGEE: IT GAVE YOU
  • 00:21:52.100 --> 00:21:53.000
  • A CAUSE.
  • 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:53.190
  • TREY WARE: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:21:53.190 --> 00:21:54.100
  • MATT HAGEE: AND FOR NANCY
  • 00:21:54.100 --> 00:21:55.020
  • AS WELL.
  • 00:21:55.020 --> 00:21:55.180
  • TREY WARE: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:56.090
  • YOU KNOW SHE WAS HEAVILY
  • 00:21:56.090 --> 00:21:57.060
  • INVOLVED IN AB'S SCHOOL AND
  • 00:21:57.060 --> 00:21:58.180
  • EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON
  • 00:21:58.180 --> 00:22:00.020
  • IN HER LIFE.
  • 00:22:00.020 --> 00:22:00.250
  • SO IT MOST CERTAINLY DID.
  • 00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:03.100
  • IT GAVE US SOMETHING TO REALLY
  • 00:22:03.100 --> 00:22:05.070
  • ATTACH OURSELVES TO
  • 00:22:05.070 --> 00:22:06.130
  • AND A REASON TO EXIST.
  • 00:22:06.130 --> 00:22:08.110
  • AND WHILE WE MAY QUESTION
  • 00:22:09.260 --> 00:22:12.260
  • THE PLAN OF GOD --
  • 00:22:12.260 --> 00:22:13.270
  • AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
  • 00:22:13.270 --> 00:22:14.200
  • THAT MANY, MANY TIMES.
  • 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.100
  • WHEN OUR SON DIED,
  • 00:22:16.100 --> 00:22:17.070
  • WE SAT ON THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR
  • 00:22:17.070 --> 00:22:18.240
  • TOGETHER, HER AND I,
  • 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:19.220
  • BECAUSE IT WAS JUST DOWN TO US
  • 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:20.290
  • NOW.
  • 00:22:20.290 --> 00:22:21.170
  • AND WE SAT ON THE LIVING ROOM
  • 00:22:21.170 --> 00:22:23.000
  • FLOOR, AND SAID,
  • 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:23.270
  • WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING
  • 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:25.030
  • TO GET THROUGH THIS BUT WE'RE
  • 00:22:25.030 --> 00:22:26.110
  • GOING TO GET THROUGH IT.
  • 00:22:26.110 --> 00:22:28.070
  • AND WE WILL DO IT WITH GOD'S
  • 00:22:28.070 --> 00:22:29.070
  • GRACE AND MERCY AND HIS HELP.
  • 00:22:29.070 --> 00:22:31.250
  • AND SO WHILE WE MAY QUESTION
  • 00:22:31.250 --> 00:22:34.010
  • HIS PLAN,
  • 00:22:34.010 --> 00:22:35.100
  • WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HIS PLAN
  • 00:22:35.100 --> 00:22:36.070
  • IS HERE.
  • 00:22:36.070 --> 00:22:37.010
  • KENDAL HAGEE: ASKING WHY? WHY?
  • 00:22:37.010 --> 00:22:37.200
  • YES.
  • 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.080
  • TREY WARE: I HAVE NO IDEA.
  • 00:22:38.080 --> 00:22:38.260
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU CAN'T
  • 00:22:38.260 --> 00:22:39.220
  • COMPREHEND ANYWAY.
  • 00:22:39.220 --> 00:22:40.100
  • TREY WARE: NO.
  • 00:22:40.100 --> 00:22:41.010
  • MATT HAGEE: AS THE HEAVENS
  • 00:22:41.010 --> 00:22:41.260
  • ARE ABOVE THE EARTH,
  • 00:22:41.260 --> 00:22:42.190
  • SO ARE THE WAYS OF GOD ABOVE
  • 00:22:42.190 --> 00:22:43.100
  • MAN.
  • 00:22:43.100 --> 00:22:43.260
  • YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND SAY,
  • 00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:44.240
  • I'M GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS
  • 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.280
  • IF HE TELLS ME.
  • 00:22:45.280 --> 00:22:46.260
  • TREY WARE: WELL,
  • 00:22:46.260 --> 00:22:47.220
  • AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS
  • 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:48.210
  • THAT WERE REAL IMPORTANT TO US.
  • 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:49.100
  • FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:22:49.100 --> 00:22:50.010
  • YOU MENTIONED ROMANS 8:28
  • 00:22:50.010 --> 00:22:51.040
  • A MINUTE AGO.
  • 00:22:51.040 --> 00:22:51.250
  • HE'S A GOOD GOD.
  • 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:53.020
  • THAT'S A PLACE TO START.
  • 00:22:53.020 --> 00:22:54.060
  • SO NO MATTER WHAT ELSE HAPPENS
  • 00:22:54.060 --> 00:22:55.170
  • TO YOU,
  • 00:22:55.170 --> 00:22:56.200
  • WE LIVE IN A FALLEN WORLD.
  • 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.170
  • AND HE DOES REFINE YOU
  • 00:22:58.170 --> 00:22:59.290
  • THROUGH FIRE AS WELL.
  • 00:22:59.290 --> 00:23:01.060
  • YOU KNOW YOUR DAD WROTE IN
  • 00:23:01.060 --> 00:23:02.260
  • "SEVEN SECRETS" ONE TIME ABOUT
  • 00:23:02.260 --> 00:23:04.100
  • GOING TO HEBRON IN ISRAEL,
  • 00:23:04.100 --> 00:23:06.140
  • AND GOING TO THE POTTER'S
  • 00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:07.080
  • HOUSE.
  • 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:08.060
  • AND THE POTTER KEPT WORKING
  • 00:23:08.060 --> 00:23:09.050
  • THE CLAY.
  • 00:23:09.050 --> 00:23:10.050
  • AND HE'D FIND AN IMPERFECTION
  • 00:23:10.050 --> 00:23:11.080
  • AND HE'D SMASH IT AND THROW IT
  • 00:23:11.080 --> 00:23:13.030
  • BACK IN THE FIRE.
  • 00:23:13.030 --> 00:23:14.060
  • MATT HAGEE: AND START OVER.
  • 00:23:14.060 --> 00:23:15.140
  • TREY WARE: HE KEPT THROWING IT
  • 00:23:15.140 --> 00:23:16.100
  • BACK IN THE FIRE UNTIL HE COULD
  • 00:23:16.100 --> 00:23:17.040
  • HEAR IT SING.
  • 00:23:17.040 --> 00:23:18.160
  • AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY
  • 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:19.140
  • IMPORTANT IS TO TRY AND GO
  • 00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:20.180
  • THROUGH THE FIRES EACH TIME.
  • 00:23:20.180 --> 00:23:22.180
  • AND WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SING
  • 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:24.070
  • THROUGH THE FIRE,
  • 00:23:24.070 --> 00:23:25.020
  • THAT'S WHEN GOD STARTS TO SEE
  • 00:23:25.020 --> 00:23:26.150
  • HIS IMAGE REFINED IN YOU.
  • 00:23:26.150 --> 00:23:28.270
  • THE OTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN
  • 00:23:28.270 --> 00:23:30.020
  • VERY HELPFUL TO US,
  • 00:23:30.020 --> 00:23:31.020
  • WHEN YOU SAT AT THAT KITCHEN
  • 00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:32.060
  • TABLE, YOU SAID,
  • 00:23:32.060 --> 00:23:34.140
  • "PHILIPPIANS 4, PHILIPPIANS 4,
  • 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:37.060
  • MAN,"
  • 00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:38.210
  • WHICH IS REJOICE ALWAYS
  • 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:40.220
  • IN THE LORD.
  • 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:41.120
  • AGAIN, I SAY, REJOICE.
  • 00:23:41.120 --> 00:23:43.000
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:43.220
  • AND I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH
  • 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:44.220
  • CHRIST.
  • 00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:45.180
  • TREY WARE: AND THAT WAS SO KEY,
  • 00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:47.200
  • BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW WHAT PAUL
  • 00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:50.250
  • WAS EXPERIENCING AT THAT MOMENT
  • 00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:53.010
  • -- HE WAS IN A ROMAN PRISON
  • 00:23:53.010 --> 00:23:54.280
  • UNDER THE GROUND,
  • 00:23:54.280 --> 00:23:56.020
  • STUFF POURING IN ON TOP OF HIM.
  • 00:23:56.020 --> 00:23:57.230
  • MATT HAGEE: THE MOST MISERABLE
  • 00:23:57.230 --> 00:23:58.180
  • PLACE IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:23:58.180 --> 00:23:59.190
  • TREY WARE: INCREDIBLE.
  • 00:23:59.190 --> 00:24:00.160
  • KENDAL HAGEE: HOW COULD YOU?
  • 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.060
  • TREY WARE: YEAH.
  • 00:24:01.060 --> 00:24:01.220
  • HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY SAY
  • 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:02.180
  • "REJOICE"?
  • 00:24:02.180 --> 00:24:04.110
  • BUT IF HE COULD REJOICE THEN --
  • 00:24:04.110 --> 00:24:06.190
  • AND THAT'S A COMMAND.
  • 00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:07.250
  • REJOICE ALWAYS IN THE LORD.
  • 00:24:07.250 --> 00:24:08.260
  • AGAIN, I SAY, REJOICE.
  • 00:24:08.260 --> 00:24:10.080
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
  • 00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:11.070
  • AND YOU KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE,
  • 00:24:11.070 --> 00:24:12.000
  • THEY SEE TROUBLE,
  • 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:12.200
  • THEY SEE TRAGEDY,
  • 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:13.120
  • THEY SEE HEARTBREAK.
  • 00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:15.040
  • AND THERE'S NO OTHER WORD,
  • 00:24:15.040 --> 00:24:16.270
  • I MEAN BROKEN HEARTED.
  • 00:24:16.270 --> 00:24:19.090
  • THEY SEE ALL THOSE THINGS.
  • 00:24:19.090 --> 00:24:20.110
  • AND THE THING THAT THEY ADD
  • 00:24:20.110 --> 00:24:21.150
  • TO IT THAT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING
  • 00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:23.100
  • INVOLVED AS AN INGREDIENT
  • 00:24:23.100 --> 00:24:25.060
  • IS HOPELESS,
  • 00:24:25.060 --> 00:24:27.010
  • BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A PERSON OF
  • 00:24:27.010 --> 00:24:29.140
  • FAITH, THEN YOU HAVE A HOPE.
  • 00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:32.140
  • AND THAT HOPE IS NOT
  • 00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:33.260
  • CIRCUMSTANCE.
  • 00:24:33.260 --> 00:24:34.260
  • THAT HOPE IS NOT HAVING ALL
  • 00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:37.230
  • OF THE DETAILS OF LIFE DEFINED
  • 00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:39.220
  • AND CLEARLY PICTURED IN FRONT
  • 00:24:39.220 --> 00:24:41.030
  • OF YOU.
  • 00:24:41.030 --> 00:24:41.170
  • THAT HOPE IS A PERSON WHO IS
  • 00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:42.290
  • JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:24:42.290 --> 00:24:44.110
  • AND SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
  • 00:24:44.110 --> 00:24:45.080
  • WATCHING,
  • 00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:45.230
  • AND MAYBE THEY'RE HOPELESS.
  • 00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:48.000
  • YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT
  • 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.180
  • THE TEMPTATION TO FEEL THAT WAY,
  • 00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:50.270
  • BUT YOU STILL HAVE A HOPE.
  • 00:24:50.270 --> 00:24:52.210
  • TREY WARE: WELL, AS YOU SAID,
  • 00:24:52.210 --> 00:24:53.190
  • THE HOPE IS JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:24:53.190 --> 00:24:55.030
  • YOU KNOW HE'S GOT A PLAN.
  • 00:24:55.030 --> 00:24:55.290
  • YOU'VE GOT TO TRUST
  • 00:24:55.290 --> 00:24:56.210
  • THAT HE'S GOT A PLAN.
  • 00:24:56.210 --> 00:24:58.080
  • ONE THING THAT I HAVE SAID
  • 00:24:58.080 --> 00:24:59.150
  • AT FUNERALS OR AT OTHER PLACES
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  • THAT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
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  • TO PREACH OR TEACH,
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  • BASED ON PHILIPPIANS 4,
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  • BUT ALSO PSALM 139.
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  • YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T PUT
  • 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:08.140
  • YOURSELF HERE.
  • 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:10.020
  • AND YOU CAN'T DECIDE WHEN TO
  • 00:25:10.020 --> 00:25:11.070
  • TAKE YOURSELF OUT.
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  • THAT'S NOT UP TO YOU.
  • 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:13.250
  • AS LONG AS YOU ARE AWAKE EVERY
  • 00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:16.130
  • DAY, GOD HAS A PLAN FOR YOU.
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  • HE'S GOT A PURPOSE FOR YOU.
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  • AND IT'S UP TO US TO TRY TO
  • 00:25:19.130 --> 00:25:21.090
  • DISCOVER THAT PURPOSE
  • 00:25:21.090 --> 00:25:22.130
  • THROUGH HIM,
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  • AND THEN GO ABOUT CARRYING OUT
  • 00:25:23.130 --> 00:25:25.100
  • THAT PURPOSE.
  • 00:25:25.100 --> 00:25:26.140
  • AND YOU'RE GOING TO FACE
  • 00:25:26.140 --> 00:25:27.060
  • ADVERSITY, ADVERSITY.
  • 00:25:27.060 --> 00:25:28.160
  • THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GOING
  • 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:29.090
  • TO HAPPEN TO YOU.
  • 00:25:29.090 --> 00:25:30.060
  • BUT JUST AS THE KITE FLIES
  • 00:25:30.060 --> 00:25:31.070
  • IN THE WIND,
  • 00:25:31.070 --> 00:25:31.210
  • OR THE AIRPLANE FLIES
  • 00:25:31.210 --> 00:25:32.190
  • IN THE WIND,
  • 00:25:32.190 --> 00:25:33.080
  • OR GOLD IS REFINED BY FIRE,
  • 00:25:33.080 --> 00:25:35.070
  • YOU WALK THROUGH THAT.
  • 00:25:35.070 --> 00:25:36.220
  • IT'S NOT EASY.
  • 00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:37.140
  • IT'S THE HARDEST THING
  • 00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:38.020
  • IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:25:38.020 --> 00:25:38.220
  • AND I CITY CRY LIKE A LITTLE
  • 00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:39.200
  • BABY.
  • 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:40.120
  • SOMETIMES I SIT ON THE FLOOR
  • 00:25:40.120 --> 00:25:41.080
  • AND YOU MISS YOUR KIDS.
  • 00:25:41.080 --> 00:25:42.260
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:25:42.260 --> 00:25:43.200
  • TREY WARE: I'M A MOTORCYCLE
  • 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:44.130
  • GUY.
  • 00:25:44.130 --> 00:25:44.260
  • YOU KNOW THAT.
  • 00:25:44.260 --> 00:25:45.170
  • I RIDE MOTORCYCLES
  • 00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:46.080
  • ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:25:46.080 --> 00:25:46.230
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU AND JUSTIN DID
  • 00:25:46.230 --> 00:25:47.160
  • THAT TOGETHER.
  • 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.110
  • TREY WARE: THAT WAS OUR LOVE
  • 00:25:48.110 --> 00:25:49.010
  • TOGETHER.
  • 00:25:49.010 --> 00:25:49.180
  • WE ROAD ALL OVER TEXAS AND
  • 00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:50.130
  • BEYOND ON MOTORCYCLES TOGETHER.
  • 00:25:50.130 --> 00:25:52.000
  • I MISS HIM.
  • 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.170
  • I LOOK IN THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR
  • 00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:53.110
  • AND I WANT TO SEE HIM BACK
  • 00:25:53.110 --> 00:25:54.050
  • THERE.
  • 00:25:54.050 --> 00:25:55.030
  • BUT I KNOW THAT GOD'S GOT
  • 00:25:55.030 --> 00:25:56.010
  • A PLAN THROUGH ALL THIS.
  • 00:25:56.010 --> 00:25:57.130
  • AND WHATEVER IT IS,
  • 00:25:57.130 --> 00:25:58.160
  • I'M GOING TO TRUST HIM.
  • 00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:59.130
  • BUT ANYWHERE I'VE TRIED TO
  • 00:25:59.130 --> 00:26:00.260
  • WRESTLE CONTROL OF MY LIFE AWAY
  • 00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:03.100
  • FROM HIM, I MESSED IT UP.
  • 00:26:03.100 --> 00:26:05.080
  • I'M IN SALES, NOT MANAGEMENT.
  • 00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:07.170
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S GOOD, YES.
  • 00:26:07.170 --> 00:26:09.090
  • TREY WARE: HE'S IN MANAGEMENT.
  • 00:26:09.090 --> 00:26:10.280
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL YOU KNOW,
  • 00:26:10.280 --> 00:26:12.030
  • TREY, FOR YEARS,
  • 00:26:12.030 --> 00:26:12.270
  • YOU'VE BEEN SUCH AN
  • 00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:14.110
  • ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE CITY
  • 00:26:14.110 --> 00:26:15.060
  • OF SAN ANTONIO.
  • 00:26:15.060 --> 00:26:16.020
  • YOU END ALL YOUR SHOWS,
  • 00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:17.040
  • "I LOVE YOU SAN ANTONIO."
  • 00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:18.220
  • AND I KNOW YOU MEAN IT.
  • 00:26:18.220 --> 00:26:19.260
  • AND YOU KNOW SAN ANTONIO
  • 00:26:19.260 --> 00:26:21.290
  • LOVES YOU.
  • 00:26:21.290 --> 00:26:23.090
  • AND NOT JUST THE CITY ITSELF,
  • 00:26:23.090 --> 00:26:25.290
  • BUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.
  • 00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:27.050
  • YOU KNOW PEOPLE LOVE YOU
  • 00:26:27.050 --> 00:26:28.110
  • BECAUSE YOU ARE WHO YOU REALLY
  • 00:26:28.110 --> 00:26:30.190
  • ARE.
  • 00:26:30.190 --> 00:26:31.020
  • YOU'RE A SINCERE VOICE
  • 00:26:31.020 --> 00:26:32.070
  • OF TRUTH.
  • 00:26:32.070 --> 00:26:33.030
  • YOU WILL PRESENT THE ISSUE
  • 00:26:33.030 --> 00:26:35.150
  • AND GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY
  • 00:26:35.150 --> 00:26:36.240
  • TO UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF IT.
  • 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.210
  • AND YOU DO IT
  • 00:26:38.210 --> 00:26:39.150
  • IN SUCH A GRACEFUL WAY.
  • 00:26:39.150 --> 00:26:40.160
  • AND IT'S JUST AN HONOR TO BE
  • 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.270
  • ABLE TO SIT HERE AND GIVE YOU
  • 00:26:42.270 --> 00:26:44.210
  • THE CHANCE TO SHARE YOUR STORY
  • 00:26:44.210 --> 00:26:45.280
  • AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS WITH HOPE.
  • 00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:47.180
  • TREY WARE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
  • 00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:48.140
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU'RE ONE OF THE
  • 00:26:48.140 --> 00:26:49.080
  • GOD GUYS.
  • 00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:50.010
  • TREY WARE: I APPRECIATE THE
  • 00:26:50.010 --> 00:26:50.190
  • OPPORTUNITY.
  • 00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:51.060
  • MATT HAGEE: AND WE LOVE YOU
  • 00:26:51.060 --> 00:26:52.040
  • FOR IT.
  • 00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:52.210
  • YOU KNOW TODAY'S GUESTS HAVE
  • 00:26:52.210 --> 00:26:53.170
  • A LOT TO SAY ABOUT BEING REFINED
  • 00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:56.010
  • AND NOT DEFINED.
  • 00:26:56.010 --> 00:26:57.130
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:26:57.130 --> 00:26:58.010
  • FACING.
  • 00:26:58.010 --> 00:26:58.200
  • BUT I ASSURE YOU IT'S NOT
  • 00:26:58.200 --> 00:26:59.140
  • AN ACCIDENT YOU GOT TO WATCH
  • 00:26:59.140 --> 00:27:00.130
  • TODAY'S PROGRAM.
  • 00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:01.160
  • REGARDLESS OF THE STRUGGLE,
  • 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.030
  • DON'T LET IT DEFINE YOU.
  • 00:27:03.030 --> 00:27:04.120
  • LET THE HAND OF GOD REFINE YOU
  • 00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:05.270
  • SO THAT YOU CAN OVERCOME
  • 00:27:05.270 --> 00:27:07.170
  • AND PROVE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE
  • 00:27:07.170 --> 00:27:08.180
  • MORE THAN A CONQUEROR
  • 00:27:08.180 --> 00:27:09.280
  • THROUGH CHRIST.
  • 00:27:09.280 --> 00:27:10.230
  • YOU'RE WATCHING
  • 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:11.050
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:27:11.050 --> 00:27:12.290
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:27:21.010 --> 00:27:24.010
  • MUSIC
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