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November 4, 2016

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Matt & Laurie Crouch host 'Is This The End?' with Dr. David Jeremiah

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- David Jeremiah: But Almighty
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God, I mean, when you look up
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into heaven, the throne
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of heaven is not unoccupied.
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God is sitting there in control.
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Here's what I know.
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It's an age-old statement that I
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don't know what the future holds
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[music]
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- Matt Crouch: "Praise" today
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is asking a question.
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You say, sir?
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- David: Well, I don't think
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it's the end because there
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aren't any signs for the end
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as we know it as believers.
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But the Bible says we can know
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the season.
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In the New Testament people ask,
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when Jesus is coming back?"
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Of course not.
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Even when Jesus was on
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this earth, he did not know.
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He said only the Father knew.
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And the angels don't know.
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So when somebody tells you they
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know when Jesus is coming back,
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you know they haven't read
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the Bible because the Bible
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says that isn't true.
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But we can see the signs
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that it's getting closer.
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And, as you know, Matt,
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when Israel got back into her
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homeland, I mean, the clock was
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ticking and we've been watching
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it very carefully.
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Dr. David Jeremiah,
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asking the question
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people are asking,
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"Is this the end?"
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As we sat down for this
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interview to give this
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opportunity for you to get
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the book, all the information's
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on the screen.
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We want you to call
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the special 800-number.
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I don't know how your staff and
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our staff and the publisher's
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staff got this all coordinated
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but I'm very proud of what we're
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doing today because this book,
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today, as we're holding it and
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taping this, was just announced
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that it is a number one
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"New York Time" bestseller.
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We're holding it in our hand.
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Congratulations, Dr. Jeremiah.
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And we want you
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to have the book.
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So I don't know if this is ever
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gonna happen again where
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we're going to have a book
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in our hand, we're gonna have
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Dr. Jeremiah or anyone else
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sitting in that chair, and that
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everything's been coordinated.
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The operators are ready
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to take your call.
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Any gift to Trinity
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and the book is yours.
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We want this information
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and it's now number one.
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Okay, what do you want people
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ultimately to take away?
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Why do they need this book?
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- David: Well, you know, the
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little byline at the bottom of
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the book says that the
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providence of God is seen in all
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of these things.
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Somebody once told me that God's
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providence is like reading
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Hebrew, you have to read it
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backwards.
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You have to look back and see
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what God has done 'cause you
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can't know what he's going
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to do.
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But when you read these
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have some heavy things in them
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because we don't live in
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a free-for-all fun world.
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But in the midst of it all,
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God is at work.
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For instance, Matt, there's
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a chapter in there on revival.
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And people ask me do we think
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there could be another
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revival in our country?
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And what's so surprising to me
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is things have been a lot worse
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in America at several other
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times than they are now
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and I don't think people can
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realize that could possibly
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be true but it is and that's
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when God brings revival.
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When things are at the very
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bottom and there's no other hope
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and the political thing has gone
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crazy and there's no--you start
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to look up and God moves in
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and intervenes.
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So that's pretty encouraging
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to me.
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- Matt: As I was reading
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through "Is This the End?"
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you know, you made reference to
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the Great Depression, you made
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reference to World War II and,
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you know, you could even wind
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back to the Civil War period
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in America and
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the Revolutionary War period.
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There's been very, very, very
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dark and troubling times in
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America where people would have
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been asking, "Is this the end?"
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Okay, we seem to be at
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the precipice of that
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same question being asked.
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So, look, you've been around
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a little bit longer than Laurie
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and I, you've got a little more
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gray hair than I do although
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mine is turning gray
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astonishingly fast, and
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so you've weathered more storms
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than Laurie and I and what is
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your--what is the inside
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of Dr. Jeremiah telling you
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about is this the end?
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Because there's hope and there's
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in this book.
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- David: Absolutely.
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Yes, there is.
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And one of the most exciting
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things about revival is that
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there are basically five
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movements that have happened
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in our country, going back to
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the colonial period,
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as you mentioned, Matt.
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All of them have two things
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in common.
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They all came at a low point
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in culture and they all involved
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young people.
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And today, there's different
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ideas about young people
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but I'll tell you,
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that's where our hope lies.
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And that's where thing--for
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instance, one of my favorite
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stories is called "The Haystack
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Prayer Meeting," where a bunch
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of kids were trying to get out
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of a storm and they went into
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a barn and they had a prayer
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meeting in the haystack and they
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begin to pray and they told God
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they would go anywhere with
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the gospel he would send 'em.
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They went out of that prayer
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meeting and that was
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the beginning of
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the Modern Missions Movement.
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It started with a bunch of young
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people in a haystack.
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- Matt: Let me tell you--
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- Laurie Crouch: In a storm.
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- David: In a storm.
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- Matt: Let me tell you
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a really neat thing
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about young people.
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Ready?
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Now you are aware that you have
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gray hair, right?
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- David: I am very much aware
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of that, yes.
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- Matt: Okay, and do you have
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an AARP card?
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- David: No, I should have
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but I refuse to buy one
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out of resentment.
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- Matt: Okay, but I want you to
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know that out of our
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Hillsong Channel on TBN,
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on the Hillsong Channel
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which is primarily skewing
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a much younger audience
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than TBN, that you have one
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of the highest rated broadcasts
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on the Hillsong Channel, okay?
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So what that's really saying is
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that younger people, you know,
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in this 25 to 45 range,
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are wanting truth and they're
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wanting it from a seasoned
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veteran preacher.
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- Laurie: From a father figure.
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- Matt: So you're basically
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hitting not only with TBN and
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those of us that are of the age
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that we're watching TBN more
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than we're watching, you know,
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the Hillsong Channel or, you
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know, Youth Channel, but there
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is a major audience
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and you've hit a stride
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with a younger audience.
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So there's good news in this.
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- David: That's really
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encouraging to me and,
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obviously, I think what
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that says is that these kids
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want the truth.
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They don't want it varnished and
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candy-coated.
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They want you just to tell 'em
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the truth and do it with love
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in your heart and that's what
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we try to do.
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God's truth doesn't have
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an age barrier, does it?
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It's not just truth for these
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people.
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It's truth for the whole world.
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And so it works.
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- Matt: If you just tuned in,
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we are sitting with
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Dr. Jeremiah, Shadow Mountain's
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pastor right down in
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San Diego, California.
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And we are talking about
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a "New York Times"
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number one bestseller book.
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It is "People Are Asking
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'Is This the End?'"
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And it's available by calling
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the 800-number.
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We coordinated this.
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I love doing this.
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The operators know why you're
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calling if you call the
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and it's there for you.
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Any gift to TBN and
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this "New York Time" number one
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bestseller by Dr. Jeremiah
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is on its way to you.
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You have a clip.
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- Laurie: I love--okay,
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right in the introduction of
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your book, you say,
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"Will America revive again?
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Will we reverse our descent
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and regain our respect,
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strength, and stability?
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Maybe, maybe not.
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But those are not the questions
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we should really be asking.
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If the survival of America and
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the stability of the world are
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sources of your hope, then
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your hope is sadly misplaced.
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The question you must address is
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whether--is not whether America
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and the world will regain their
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footing but how you will respond
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whether they do or not."
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And that's what this book
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is about.
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- David: And you know what,
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Laurie, one of the things
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that's, you know, we've just
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been through an election period
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that's been pretty difficult
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and I see some of God's people
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getting so fixated on it that
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you almost feel like if their
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preferred result doesn't happen,
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that their world is finished.
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And I've been telling people
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that on the day after
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the election the sun's gonna
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come up, the birds are gonna
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sing, I'm gonna go to work
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and keep praising God.
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And that's what we forget,
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you know.
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We play all of our games down
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here and, obviously, we're all
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trying to do what we think is
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right but Almighty God, I mean,
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when you look up into heaven,
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the throne of heaven
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is not unoccupied.
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God is sitting there in control.
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And so whatever he has for
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us--one of the little statements
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in that book, one of my favorite
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little statesmen, says,
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"When everybody thinks that
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the spiritual life of America
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has gone to the dogs,
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it's always the dog that dies."
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[laughing]
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Because somehow God brings it
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back from the edge of oblivion
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and that's when God does his
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best work, when people have
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lost hope in everything else.
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One of my--one of the friends
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that I have who I love to read,
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he says, "God shows up
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and God shows off.
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And shows off his glory."
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And I believe we're on--we're
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in a place where we may see that
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in these next days.
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- Laurie: And you were talking
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about the five major things
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that's happened in America,
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starting with the youth and
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the young people.
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That's--
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- David: Right.
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In fact, the only one of those
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revivals that I know about and
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remember is the Jesus Movement
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and we all remember that.
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And the Jesus Movement,
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Billy Graham was
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a Grand Marshall
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of the Rose Parade not too far
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from where we're having this
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conversation and he was driving
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through this and he noticed all
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these kids with their hands up
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in the air, going one way.
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And he was pretty down on what
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was going on within--he was
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so overwhelmed by that,
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he wrote a book called,
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"The Jesus Generation," and it--
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and that's why we--it started
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all the praise music.
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One writer that I read said,
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"That revival swept all these
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people in the Pacific Ocean
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to get baptized."
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And then they began filling up
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churches like Chuck Smith's
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church and the praise and
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worship music that so dominates
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the culture today
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came out of that.
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Once again, young people.
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- Matt: Okay.
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You're--when you're talking
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about, in the book that
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It's available to you.
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"People Are Asking,
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'Is This the End?'"
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You're really writing from
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a perspective, I think,
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if we use a theological term,
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really the sovereignty of God.
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- David: Absolutely.
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- Matt: So hope is going to be
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alive and kindled in people's
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hearts when they have
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an understanding of
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the sovereignty of God.
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You know, Uncle Sam may be
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our uncle; he'll never be
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our Father, okay?
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And so we have a Father,
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God the Father.
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And so ultimately, talk to us
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and our television audience
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about a very seasoned view
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on the sovereignty of God.
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There's real hope there.
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- David: Well, this book is
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divided into two sections.
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The first part of the book
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is--asks the question, kind of,
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"Is God finished with America?"
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And the second part asks
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the question, "Is God finished
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with the world?"
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And I purposely put at the end
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of the first section this whole
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chapter on revival and what
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happens when a nation returns
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to God and God gives them
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several years of renewal.
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At the end of the second half,
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"Is God finished
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with the world?"
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there's a couple of chapters
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on the Rapture and what's gonna
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happen when Christ comes back.
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Either way, we win.
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But in every chapter,
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there's this hope that God
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holds out for those of us.
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One of the most controversial
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things that's happened in recent
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months is the whole discussion
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about immigration and that
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anybody would be so crazy as to
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write a chapter on that,
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they'd look at me, but I wrote
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a chapter called,
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"The Bleeding of the Borders."
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And everybody talks about all
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the issues with that but, Matt,
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listen to this, God told his
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people to go into all the world
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and preach the gospel
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and we haven't done it all
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that great so he dumped them
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at the front of our door.
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He just said, "Okay, if you
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won't go where they are,
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I'll put them where you are."
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So I live in El Cajon where we
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have the highest number of Iraqi
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citizens in the United States of
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America and we have now started
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an Arabic church.
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We have Hispanics everywhere.
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We have an Hispanic church so,
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you know, we need to figure out
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what the answers are to these
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questions but, in the meantime,
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these people need Jesus Christ.
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- Matt: Yes, they do.
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- David: And if we don't go
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to them with the gospel,
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we're derelict.
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We're--we sit around and talk
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about all the nuances of
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the issue while these people are
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all hovering around our
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churches, wondering, "What is
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the matter with these people?"
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And so, to me, I think
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this--it's a great opportunity
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that God has given us to reach
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people from every walk of life.
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You know, I know TBN's audience
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come to do a "Praise" thing I
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look out, it seems like there's
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somebody there from everywhere
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in the world.
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And that's the way it should be.
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And that's the world God has
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called us to reach.
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And that book that you hold
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in your hands tells us a lot
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about that.
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- Matt: Okay, a moment ago
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you hit a tripwire for us.
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You said the word Rapture, okay?
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And so I'm holding a book that
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says, "Is This the End?"
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and then he said
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the word Rapture.
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So stay tuned.
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I think you're prepared to set
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a date for the Lord's return.
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- Laurie: He's already talked
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about that.
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- Matt: So but go to
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the 800-number and get the book,
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"New York Times" number one
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bestseller.
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Okay, let's talk about that
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for a minute.
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There's a lot of people, if I
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wind the clock back a few years
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and my dad was sitting here
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with us and you said the word
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Rapture, he'd make you, you
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So where do you see inside of
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this kind of concept that you
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wrote about and it's hard for
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anybody to write a book.
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I'm sure it was hard for you to
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write a book.
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You labor to write books and,
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okay, but inside of the season
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of writing this book, where do
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you see the end times?
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- David: Well, you know, the
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Bible tells us very clearly that
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the Rapture is the next major
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event on the prophetic calendar.
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And the Bible teaches that it is
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an event that has no precedent.
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It is an imminent event which
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means it could happen at any
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time: while we're sitting here,
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while I'm on my way back
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to where I live.
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It could happen at any time,
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but nothing needs to happen
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before the Rapture occurs.
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If something needs to happen,
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then it's not imminent.
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So the Bible tells us that we're
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to be ready and every passage in
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the New Testament where you have
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prophecy, you have a practical
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application for that prophecy
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tucked in the context.
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People just don't see 'em,
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they don't read 'em.
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For instance, "Let not your
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heart be troubled.
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You believe in God,
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believe also in me.
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In my Father's house
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there are many mansions.
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If it were not so, I would--"
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So what is the first--what are
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the first two words?
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"Don't be troubled."
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The Bible teaches us how
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to respond to all of this.
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And what I teach and what I
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believe is that Christians need
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to understand that Jesus Christ
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is coming back and he could come
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back at any moment, especially
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because Israel's in her land,
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the clock is ticking.
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Nothing needs to happen.
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He may not come back
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for a long time.
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But he may come back tomorrow.
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And the Christian's
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responsibility is to be ready
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and to live our lives
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with a sense of urgency.
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Matt, I have greater sense of
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urgency about what God has
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called me to do now than I have
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ever had in my life, after all
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these years of serving the Lord,
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because I believe that God still
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wants to take many people to
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heaven that haven't yet found
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faith in Christ and it's our job
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to do what you're doing.
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- Matt: Help me--help me with
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two things that, if you aren't
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real sure, it could seem
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contradictory, okay?
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So I want you to help explain it
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and make it not contradictory.
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So the Bible declares that
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the Rapture, in one sense,
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that times will become darker
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and more evil and then we
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will somewhat be raptured out.
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At the same time, when things
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get dark, that has ushered in
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five major revivals that
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we've discussed earlier
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in this broadcast.
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So help make sure that if we
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pray for revival, we're not
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keeping, you know, the end times
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from coming.
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In other words, if it's supposed
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to get bad, is--are we supposed
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to just kind of walk away
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and let it go down the chute
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and--okay.
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Help everyone with that.
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- David: Here's the deal, Matt.
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Why would you want to pray for
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revival if you thought that
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you might get the Rapture?
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I mean, the Rapture's gonna
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be the greatest thing
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that ever happened.
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for revival, it's so that you
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can have more time to share
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the gospel and take more people
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to heaven with you.
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If the Rapture came today,
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those who have not received
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Christ are gonna be left behind,
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to use the very familiar phrase.
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And that's not our hope
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and our goal.
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So we pray for revival
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so that we may have more time
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to preach the gospel.
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I mean, you've built this
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incredible network that just
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covers the earth and every time
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that network is live,
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somebody's hearing the gospel
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and somebody's coming to Christ.
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And we want as many people--and,
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you know, the thing that you
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read in the New Testament is
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that God wants them too.
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It says, "I will come and
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get you that where I am
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there you may be also."
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God wants us to be with him.
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He wants his people to come
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and be with him.
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But the gospel
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has to be preached.
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So we pray for revival that
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we might have more time
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to preach the gospel.
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And obviously, we want
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the benefits of the revival
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today as well.
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But the Rapture's the ultimate
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about all these questions like
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you ask, these hard questions,
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and I know that God has it
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all figured out.
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When it's time for the Rapture,
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the trumpet will sound and
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the dead in Christ will rise and
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we'll be caught up together with
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him and we'll be with the Lord.
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In the meantime, I'm to work.
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One person told me you should
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pray as if it all depended
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upon God, and work like it
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all depended on you.
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And that's where we are
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in our ministry.
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- Laurie: You know,
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the apathy in America is, like,
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at a level I've never seen it.
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Have you ever seen--
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- David: No, and it's not
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just about one thing, Laurie.
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It's about a lot of things.
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- Laurie: Oh, it's about, like,
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everything, yeah.
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What do you see as some of
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the major issues in America
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right now?
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- David: Well, first of all,
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you mentioned apathy.
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I love that word because it's
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made up of two words, the word
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pathos which means passion and
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then the little "a" in front
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of it means without.
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So apathy is without passion.
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And parents are without passion
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for their kids, people
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are without passion
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for their churches.
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You know, there's a lack of--
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because they're overwhelmed
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with all that's going on.
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They just lose their passion.
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And so that's one of the issues.
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I mean, the main issue that
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we're facing right now is being
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overrun, our borders being
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overrun, and we don't know
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what's going on and obviously,
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as I mentioned, we're gonna win
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these people to Christ
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but it's still an issue.
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We have--one of the issues we
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haven't mentioned is the growing
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persecution of believers.
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You know, one of the phrases
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I like to use is that,
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are Christians being persecuted?
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They're being squeezed by
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litigation, by stereotyping,
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by intimidation.
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And there's a lot of stories in
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that book about things that have
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happened just in recent days
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to push Christians into a corner
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and keep them from expressing
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their faith.
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I'm sure you face these things
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even from the standpoint of what
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people are trying to do to quiet
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down the big voice of TBN.
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So there's just a lot of issues,
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all of 'em at once and they're
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kind of gathering as this storm.
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And we're left in the middle
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of it, trying to ask God
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to show--somebody asked me
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the other day,
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"How can I pray for you?"
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And I said, "Pray for wisdom,"
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because you know what wisdom is?
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Wisdom is the ability to know
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what to do when there is no
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precedent.
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And there is no precedent
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for half the stuff you and I
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are facing and we need wisdom
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because we don't have
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anything to look back on.
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There's never been a time like
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this in our lifetime
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so we need God's wisdom.
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- Matt: The book is entitled,
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"People Are Asking,
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'Is This the End?'"
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It's Dr. David Jeremiah's
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"New York Time"
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number one bestseller.
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I don't know how God
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orchestrated all that but that
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news came to us as we sat down
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to do that interview--
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And there's an 800-number
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on the screen.
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The operators are already
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prepared to make sure that you
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get this order very quickly,
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very efficiently,
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and for any gift to TBN
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it's on its way to you.
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And wow, what an amazing set
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of things that had to--your
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schedule, our schedule, you
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know, the publisher's schedule,
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and the announcement that it is
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now a number one "New York Time"
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bestseller.
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I'm not sure that's ever gonna
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happen again, but I'm glad it
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happened once and I'm glad it
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happened right now.
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You're watching the "Praise"
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program with Dr. David Jeremiah.
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Let's go back into
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the Appel Center
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- male announcer: The apathy
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of America.
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- David: I just look up and
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I'm reminded that every place
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in the Bible where
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there's a prophetic passage
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in that very context
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is a passage of Scripture that
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Have you ever noticed that?
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Here's one in John 14,
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"Let not your heart be troubled;
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you believe in God,
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believe also in Me.
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In My Father's house are many
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mansions; if it weren't so,
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I'd tell you.
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and I'm gonna go prepare a place
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for you.
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And when I go and prepare
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a place for you, I'm gonna come
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and receive you to Myself;
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that where I am,
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there you might be also."
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But what is the admonition?
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Don't let your heart be
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troubled.
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Almighty God's got it
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in control, amen?
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And over and over in the Bible,
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when you see that, you begin to
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realize--you begin to realize
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that the future is like
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an anchor.
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I like to think of it this way.
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God's promises of the future
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are like an anchor.
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And you know where that anchor
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is?
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It's wrapped around the throne
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of God in heaven.
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And I got a hold of the other
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end of the line and I'm safe
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because my future
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is secure in heaven.
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- announcer: The remedy
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of revival.
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- David: My thought is, "Lord,
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if you did it once, do it again.
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If you did it two or three
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times, let us be the next one."
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Because if we don't have
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something like that happen in
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our culture today, our ability
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to try to fix what's messed up
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in this nation
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is not gonna get it done.
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We need an intervention, an
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intervention from Almighty God
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like he's intervened in times
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past in this nation.
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We are at a place not where
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we should despair but where
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we should look with great
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anticipation.
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We're right at the place
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where God has intervened
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in every other time in history.
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This is a period when God wants
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to move among us.
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Start it in me, start it in you,
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start it anywhere but, Lord God,
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if you don't break through
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into our culture, we don't have
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any other option.
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We are confessing our sin before
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you today and we're asking you
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in the words of the Psalmist,
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"Revive us again."
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- Matt: "People Are Asking,
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'Is This the End?'"
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The book is available right
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now by calling the 800-number.
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Okay, I have a question
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in regard to no one in your
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vocation would write a book that
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wasn't meant to pump hope
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into people.
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But this is a tough one here.
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How in inside of this book
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did you get hope built
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into people's lives?
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How did you do that?
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That's a masterful thing.
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- David: Well, because
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the Bible, while it tells
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the truth and paints pictures
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as they really are, the Bible
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is never without hope.
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There's hope everywhere
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in the Bible.
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You don't have to
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manufacture it.
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You just have to read it
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and discover it.
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And, you know, I was thinking
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about this the other day in
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the political discourse that
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we've had, we've had a lot of
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discussion about people not
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being willing to call things
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what they are, not using the
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word terrorism and all that,
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you can't really deal with
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the issues of life unless
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you're willing to identify them.
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So that book identifies some of
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the things we're dealing with.
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For instance, back to
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the issue of immigration.
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When people come across our
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borders, does the Bible
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tell us what to do?
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Well, there isn't any chapter in
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the Bible called immigration but
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in the Old Testament you have
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this very interesting analogy.
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There were immigrants
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in the Old Testament.
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They called 'em strangers.
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And in the Old Testament you
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had to do three things
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with strangers.
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You had to accept them,
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you had to assist them,
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and you had to assimilate them.
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And the assimilation
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of the strangers
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in the Old Testament
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is so interesting because
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when God speaks to Israel,
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again, especially in
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Deuteronomy, "And this is
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what I want for you, Israel,
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this and this and this.
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And also for your strangers."
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God held the strangers to the
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same responsibility that he held
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his nation, so that when
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strangers came into Israel,
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they were expected to live
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under the same regime
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as Israel was living.
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Now you try that on
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for immigration in our country.
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If we did that, it wouldn't
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be as much of an issue.
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But what we have now, is people
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coming into this country,
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wanting to set up their own
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message, their own style, some
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of it antithetic to what it
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means to be an American.
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That's why there's so much
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angst about this.
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But you can get this great clue
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from the Old Testament, "Accept
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them, assist them, but make sure
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you assimilate them too.
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And make sure they become--"
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That's the way America was.
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I mean, I'm from Wales
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but nobody calls me
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a Welsh American.
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I'm an American.
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And I--and that's what's missing
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here in all this argument.
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- Matt: We're talking with
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Dr. Jeremiah.
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New book is available right now,
00:26:15.280 --> 00:26:18.280
"Is This the End?
00:26:18.280 --> 00:26:20.200
People Are Asking," okay.
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You started this in chapter one
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with a really compelling story.
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And it was concerning the life
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of a very famous composer.
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Why--a little bit of that story
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for our audience and why was
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that your opening lens to start
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telling the story of this book?
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- David: Well, you know,
00:26:46.090 --> 00:26:47.090
you start where culture is
00:26:47.090 --> 00:26:49.040
and that's where culture is.
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And I told the story, Matt,
00:26:50.290 --> 00:26:52.020
about Cole Porter started out by
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talking about a couple of very
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famous singers who sang some of
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his music and he wrote a very
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famous song called, "Anything
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Goes," and it's kind of a pumpy
00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:05.040
little, you know, toe-tapper.
00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:06.250
I've actually seen the Broadway
00:27:06.250 --> 00:27:08.110
play, "Anything Goes," and
00:27:08.110 --> 00:27:09.180
I kind of liked the music.
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:11.090
But I never really thought
00:27:11.090 --> 00:27:12.160
much about the message.
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.220
The message in "Anything Goes"
00:27:13.220 --> 00:27:15.120
was really a reflection of
00:27:15.120 --> 00:27:17.090
Cole Porter's life.
00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:18.200
That's the way he lived.
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:19.190
Unrestrained evil and wickedness
00:27:19.190 --> 00:27:22.060
and when he died, well, why
00:27:22.060 --> 00:27:24.040
don't you tell 'em what you were
00:27:24.040 --> 00:27:25.050
talking about when you came in?
00:27:25.050 --> 00:27:26.060
- Matt: Well, what--when I was
00:27:26.060 --> 00:27:28.100
telling that, we were talking
00:27:28.100 --> 00:27:30.030
about a story that on his
00:27:30.030 --> 00:27:31.070
deathbed, and first of all,
00:27:31.070 --> 00:27:33.160
Cole Porter wrote some of the
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:34.260
most famous music, you know, in
00:27:34.260 --> 00:27:35.290
the whole world and, you know,
00:27:35.290 --> 00:27:38.000
the likes of Frank Sinatra and
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.280
those types, Tony Bennett, sang
00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:43.060
this--sang his songs, Lady Gaga
00:27:43.060 --> 00:27:45.020
as far as, you know,
00:27:45.020 --> 00:27:46.240
kind of a modern person.
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.050
And so his life was so debase,
00:27:49.100 --> 00:27:52.100
that his last real deathbed wish
00:27:54.120 --> 00:27:57.120
was that someone would go and
00:27:57.120 --> 00:27:59.090
destroy all the pornographic
00:27:59.090 --> 00:28:01.100
material in his house so that
00:28:01.100 --> 00:28:03.180
he could somewhat die maybe more
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.040
in peace.
00:28:05.040 --> 00:28:06.100
And that was the way that this
00:28:06.100 --> 00:28:08.150
man that wrote some of
00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:10.080
the greatest music ever,
00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:11.100
you know.
00:28:11.100 --> 00:28:12.050
- David: And his assistant said
00:28:12.050 --> 00:28:13.210
that "he lived his life like
00:28:13.210 --> 00:28:15.290
a stained glass window through
00:28:15.290 --> 00:28:17.090
which no light was
00:28:17.090 --> 00:28:18.120
allowed to shine."
00:28:18.120 --> 00:28:19.290
And I thought,
00:28:19.290 --> 00:28:21.030
"What a vivid picture that is."
00:28:21.030 --> 00:28:22.210
And so many people today
00:28:22.210 --> 00:28:23.280
live that life.
00:28:23.280 --> 00:28:25.250
Well, that chapter talks about
00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:26.280
this little word of prophetic
00:28:26.280 --> 00:28:29.000
Scripture, "As it was in
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.090
the days of Noah, so shall it be
00:28:31.090 --> 00:28:33.210
in the Coming of the Son
00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:34.250
of Man."
00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:35.260
And then you go back to Genesis
00:28:35.260 --> 00:28:37.160
and it says in the days of Noah
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.210
that "every man did that which
00:28:39.210 --> 00:28:41.150
was only evil continually,"
00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:44.020
happened in our culture today
00:28:47.010 --> 00:28:48.240
where pornography has just
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.180
taken over in our culture.
00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:52.080
There are some statistics in
00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:53.210
that book that, when people read
00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:55.120
them, they're gonna go back
00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:57.140
and read 'em two or three times
00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:58.140
'cause they're not gonna believe
00:28:58.140 --> 00:28:59.240
what's going on and how it's
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.120
tearing apart the very fiber
00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:03.090
of our nation.
00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:04.120
"Every man did that which was
00:29:04.120 --> 00:29:06.040
only evil all the time," and
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.200
someone said, "And now they can
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.110
put all of that on a little
00:29:11.110 --> 00:29:13.100
screen that a young person can
00:29:13.100 --> 00:29:15.060
carry around with them
00:29:15.060 --> 00:29:16.140
And so what's happening in
00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:20.020
our culture today is that
00:29:20.020 --> 00:29:21.140
the "Anything goes" mentality.
00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:24.030
If it feels good, do it.
00:29:24.030 --> 00:29:25.130
Don't worry about it.
00:29:25.130 --> 00:29:26.110
Because, you see, nothing's
00:29:26.110 --> 00:29:28.110
right and nothing's wrong.
00:29:28.110 --> 00:29:30.030
They have kicked God
00:29:30.030 --> 00:29:32.100
out of the picture.
00:29:32.100 --> 00:29:33.230
He's not our creator and, if
00:29:33.230 --> 00:29:35.200
he's not our creator, we don't
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:36.280
have any responsibility to him
00:29:36.280 --> 00:29:38.170
and if we're not responsible to
00:29:38.170 --> 00:29:39.160
him, we can do whatever we want.
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:40.260
But once you say, "In
00:29:40.260 --> 00:29:41.200
the beginning, God created
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.220
the heavens and the earth,"
00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:43.240
you set the plumb line
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:44.260
and everything's different.
00:29:44.260 --> 00:29:45.270
If you don't believe that,
00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:47.120
you're gonna have a hard time
00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:48.080
with morality
00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:49.040
in the rest of your life.
00:29:49.040 --> 00:29:50.200
- Matt: You open the book,
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.070
the lens, you know, books are
00:29:52.070 --> 00:29:54.280
like little mini movies, your
00:29:54.280 --> 00:29:56.000
opening scene is the story of
00:29:56.010 --> 00:29:59.010
a very debased life
00:29:59.010 --> 00:30:01.030
and a tragic situation.
00:30:01.030 --> 00:30:03.030
What's the good news in this
00:30:03.030 --> 00:30:04.240
book?
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.280
- David: The good news is
00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:06.290
that our hope is in
00:30:06.290 --> 00:30:08.280
the living Christ.
00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:10.150
The living Christ is the one
00:30:10.150 --> 00:30:12.080
to whom we look.
00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:13.180
And the Resurrection of Christ
00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:16.130
from the dead has put his--
00:30:16.130 --> 00:30:18.250
he's put his stamp on there,
00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:20.270
on what he has planned for us.
00:30:20.270 --> 00:30:22.230
We don't have our hope in any of
00:30:22.230 --> 00:30:25.150
the things that are going on and
00:30:25.150 --> 00:30:26.210
we have to understand the Bible
00:30:26.210 --> 00:30:28.040
says that Christ came not as
00:30:28.190 --> 00:30:31.190
someone who wants to help those
00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:33.270
who don't need help.
00:30:33.270 --> 00:30:35.090
He's the great physician who
00:30:35.090 --> 00:30:36.110
came for those who are sick.
00:30:36.110 --> 00:30:38.050
We live in a sick world but
00:30:38.050 --> 00:30:39.150
that's all the more reason
00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:40.230
for us to look to Christ.
00:30:40.230 --> 00:30:42.020
He's come into this world
00:30:42.020 --> 00:30:43.110
through his death, burial,
00:30:43.110 --> 00:30:45.280
and Resurrection and through
00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:46.270
the power of the Holy Spirit, to
00:30:46.270 --> 00:30:47.270
bring this sense of hope that
00:30:47.270 --> 00:30:50.270
we--and when we look to him,
00:30:50.270 --> 00:30:52.150
hope returns.
00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:54.080
If you look to what's going
00:30:54.080 --> 00:30:55.120
on in the world,
00:30:55.120 --> 00:30:56.070
it's pretty discouraging.
00:30:56.070 --> 00:30:57.060
I run into people a lot recently
00:30:57.060 --> 00:30:59.160
who said, "Oh man, I feel if
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.000
this doesn't--" Wait a minute,
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.130
if you look to the wrong place,
00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:04.030
you're gonna not have any hope.
00:31:04.030 --> 00:31:05.160
But he's still who he's always
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.100
been and he always will be.
00:31:07.100 --> 00:31:09.000
And he's in charge and we're
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.180
gonna see as we look back on
00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:12.030
how God uses even this
00:31:12.030 --> 00:31:13.250
to bring glory to his name.
00:31:13.250 --> 00:31:15.150
- Matt: What do you see next
00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:16.060
then?
00:31:16.060 --> 00:31:17.030
Is there a revival coming?
00:31:17.030 --> 00:31:18.270
- David: You know what?
00:31:18.270 --> 00:31:19.230
This is a very interesting
00:31:19.230 --> 00:31:20.170
question because I have some
00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:22.000
pretty high profile pastors that
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.230
I talk to periodically and,
00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:25.170
almost without rehearsal,
00:31:25.170 --> 00:31:27.170
they've all said to me that they
00:31:27.170 --> 00:31:29.170
have a sense in their spirit
00:31:29.170 --> 00:31:31.080
that God is going to do
00:31:31.080 --> 00:31:32.150
something very important
00:31:32.150 --> 00:31:34.150
in the year 2017.
00:31:34.150 --> 00:31:36.220
And my heart resonates with
00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:39.060
that.
00:31:39.060 --> 00:31:40.050
I think we're gonna get through
00:31:40.050 --> 00:31:41.230
whatever it is we're going
00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:42.220
through right now, then people
00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:43.270
are gonna--we're gonna be
00:31:43.270 --> 00:31:45.240
a place where maybe God
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.070
I--when I read that chapter on
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:50.250
revival and remember that during
00:31:50.250 --> 00:31:53.070
the height of some of
00:31:53.070 --> 00:31:55.010
the great awakenings, they were
00:31:55.010 --> 00:31:56.070
closing everything down at noon
00:31:56.070 --> 00:31:57.230
so everybody could go to
00:31:57.230 --> 00:31:59.000
the prayer meetings in their
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.060
city and that they said--one of
00:32:00.270 --> 00:32:03.270
the guys who was in charge of
00:32:03.270 --> 00:32:06.010
the Welsh revival, they said
00:32:06.010 --> 00:32:08.170
he would walk in a room and he
00:32:08.170 --> 00:32:09.220
wouldn't even say anything and
00:32:09.220 --> 00:32:10.250
people would fall on their knees
00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:11.280
and start to pray and ask for
00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:13.000
forgiveness for their sins, just
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:14.100
because of the anointing of God
00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:18.070
was on him so strong.
00:32:18.070 --> 00:32:20.070
I remember little pieces of that
00:32:20.070 --> 00:32:23.030
as a young boy and seeing that
00:32:23.030 --> 00:32:25.210
happen but I haven't experienced
00:32:25.210 --> 00:32:27.120
that in a long time,
00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:28.190
or seen it in a long time.
00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:30.000
I think we're ready for that.
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.020
I do believe that.
00:32:31.020 --> 00:32:32.120
- Laurie: You know, my little
00:32:32.120 --> 00:32:33.030
dad always, growing up, my dad
00:32:33.030 --> 00:32:35.040
would always say, "Jesus
00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:37.100
isn't coming back for a little
00:32:37.100 --> 00:32:39.020
weak struggling
00:32:39.020 --> 00:32:41.100
little fledgling church.
00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:43.070
He's coming back to a victorious
00:32:43.070 --> 00:32:44.120
bride, you know?
00:32:44.120 --> 00:32:46.060
And there was always victory.
00:32:46.060 --> 00:32:47.280
We had, as Christians and
00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:49.180
believers in God,
00:32:49.180 --> 00:32:50.160
we are overcomers.
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.010
We are more than overcomers.
00:32:52.010 --> 00:32:53.110
We are victorious and that's not
00:32:53.110 --> 00:32:55.150
gonna be taken away from us,
00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:56.260
no matter what we face, is it?
00:32:56.260 --> 00:32:58.240
- David: No, and the church,
00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:59.210
you know, I told my people
00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:01.170
this last weekend after some
00:33:01.170 --> 00:33:04.100
very dark news had come across
00:33:05.100 --> 00:33:08.100
that almost made me
00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:09.180
sick to my stomach.
00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:11.150
I don't know how it affected you
00:33:11.150 --> 00:33:12.170
but I said, "You know, I have
00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:14.240
never felt such keen excitement
00:33:14.290 --> 00:33:17.290
about the role of the church
00:33:17.290 --> 00:33:18.270
in the world."
00:33:18.270 --> 00:33:19.190
The church is what God wants
00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:21.100
to use.
00:33:21.100 --> 00:33:22.070
And against the backdrop of all
00:33:22.070 --> 00:33:23.150
of this wickedness that we see
00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:25.120
everywhere in almost every
00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:26.230
level, there is this lighthouse
00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:29.130
that God has created.
00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:30.290
And this lighthouse and--we need
00:33:30.290 --> 00:33:33.050
to put our energy into that
00:33:33.050 --> 00:33:34.090
because that's the tool
00:33:34.090 --> 00:33:35.170
God is gonna use.
00:33:35.170 --> 00:33:36.170
He said, "I will build my church
00:33:36.170 --> 00:33:37.230
and the gates of hell
00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:38.260
shall not prevail against it."
00:33:38.260 --> 00:33:40.170
The gates of hell were knocking
00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:41.260
on the door this last week but
00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:44.000
they didn't win and they won't
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.190
win and, you know, even though
00:33:45.190 --> 00:33:47.100
I've been doing this for a long
00:33:47.100 --> 00:33:48.140
time, I've been in this church
00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:49.210
for 35 years, I came back and I
00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:51.250
don't think I've ever been more
00:33:51.250 --> 00:33:53.120
excited about what God wants to
00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.230
do through his church as you
00:33:54.230 --> 00:33:56.190
said, Laurie, during this time
00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:58.000
because they're running out
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.220
of answers.
00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:03.180
- Laurie: I know you love
00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:04.230
Israel.
00:34:04.230 --> 00:34:06.200
Talk about the isolation of
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.170
Israel and kind of
00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:10.010
what's happening over there.
00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:11.230
- David: Well, in this book
00:34:11.230 --> 00:34:12.180
I do a whole chapter on
00:34:12.180 --> 00:34:14.050
the Abrahamic covenant and
00:34:14.050 --> 00:34:15.080
what God promised Israel.
00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:16.170
I love to tell people, you know,
00:34:16.170 --> 00:34:17.250
I know the answer to the land
00:34:17.250 --> 00:34:19.090
issue and Israel.
00:34:19.090 --> 00:34:20.130
God gave it all to Israel.
00:34:20.130 --> 00:34:21.290
I mean, there shouldn't be
00:34:21.290 --> 00:34:23.170
a fight over that.
00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:24.180
Let's just get over that one
00:34:24.180 --> 00:34:25.150
and get on to the next issue.
00:34:25.150 --> 00:34:27.010
But I love Israel and I tell
00:34:27.180 --> 00:34:30.180
a story in this book about
00:34:30.180 --> 00:34:32.020
a privilege I had when
00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:33.260
I was there the last time.
00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:35.180
We had a whole lot of folks with
00:34:35.180 --> 00:34:37.100
us and we couldn't house them
00:34:37.100 --> 00:34:38.280
all in the same communities.
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.130
So we had some of them in
00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:41.260
Herzliya and some in Tiberias.
00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:43.080
And my tour director told me I
00:34:43.080 --> 00:34:45.070
had to speak to both of them on
00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:46.110
the same night and I said, "How
00:34:46.110 --> 00:34:47.220
am I gonna do that?"
00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:48.190
He said, "We have a helicopter."
00:34:48.190 --> 00:34:49.290
Well, I wasn't too crazy about
00:34:49.290 --> 00:34:51.180
flying a helicopter around in
00:34:51.180 --> 00:34:52.240
Israel but I flew that
00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:53.250
helicopter with my friends back
00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:55.150
across the nation.
00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:56.280
One of the most moving
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.270
experiences I've ever had.
00:34:59.270 --> 00:35:01.130
I felt like I was hovering over
00:35:01.130 --> 00:35:03.240
holy ground and I saw that land
00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:07.050
and its borders and I realized
00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:09.130
the Bible says God loves Israel
00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:11.190
so much that his eye is on the
00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.210
land from morning 'til night
00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:15.040
every day.
00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:16.150
It's God's place.
00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:17.270
And you know, we've messed up
00:35:17.270 --> 00:35:19.040
pretty badly with our
00:35:19.040 --> 00:35:20.120
relationship with Israel as a
00:35:20.120 --> 00:35:21.250
nation and we've paid for it and
00:35:21.250 --> 00:35:23.020
we'll continue to pay for it
00:35:23.020 --> 00:35:24.220
because the Bible says God is
00:35:24.220 --> 00:35:27.020
going to bless those who bless
00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:28.140
Israel and he's gonna curse
00:35:28.140 --> 00:35:29.220
those who curse Israel.
00:35:29.220 --> 00:35:31.080
If you don't like Israel for
00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:33.030
any other reason, be pragmatic.
00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:34.230
Just say, I'd rather be blessed
00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:36.050
than cursed," and so I am--I
00:35:37.030 --> 00:35:40.030
speak with John Hagee, with the
00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:41.290
- Matt: Christians United For
00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:46.250
Israel.
00:35:46.250 --> 00:35:47.110
- David: Yeah, I've done two of
00:35:47.110 --> 00:35:48.030
their events, some of the most
00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:49.030
thrilling things I've ever had
00:35:49.030 --> 00:35:50.060
the chance to do.
00:35:50.060 --> 00:35:51.070
Take people to Israel as often
00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:52.230
as I can.
00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:53.210
My most visual memory was my
00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:56.100
last time there.
00:35:56.100 --> 00:35:58.090
I was preaching on the Southern
00:35:58.090 --> 00:35:59.150
Steps and we were getting ready
00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:01.000
to pull everything together
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.140
and get to the airport.
00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:04.090
And I got done preaching and I
00:36:04.090 --> 00:36:06.030
was walking out and this old
00:36:06.030 --> 00:36:07.180
lady was sitting over there
00:36:07.180 --> 00:36:09.160
and she summoned to me.
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And the security people said,
00:36:10.290 --> 00:36:12.100
"Don't go over there."
00:36:12.100 --> 00:36:13.080
I said, "No, I'm gonna go talk
00:36:13.080 --> 00:36:13.290
to her."
00:36:13.290 --> 00:36:14.210
So I went over and she said,
00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:15.200
"Mister, I heard what you said
00:36:15.200 --> 00:36:17.100
today about how much you love
00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:18.260
Israel."
00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:19.290
She said, "Don't ever stop
00:36:19.290 --> 00:36:21.150
saying that 'cause you
00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.030
evangelicals, I think you may be
00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:24.210
the only ones that still love
00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:25.290
us."
00:36:25.290 --> 00:36:27.070
And I came away with
00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:28.180
the realization that not only do
00:36:28.180 --> 00:36:30.180
we have to believe in Israel in
00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:32.000
our hearts, we have to vocally
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:33.140
support them and encourage
00:36:33.140 --> 00:36:34.280
others to do the same.
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.060
- Matt: We are sitting with
00:36:36.060 --> 00:36:37.060
Dr. David Jeremiah.
00:36:37.060 --> 00:36:39.120
His new book is "People Are
00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:41.050
Asking, 'Is This the End?'"
00:36:41.050 --> 00:36:43.080
We have coordinated with
00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:45.010
the publisher, Dr. Jeremiah's
00:36:45.010 --> 00:36:47.080
ministry, TBN, to make it
00:36:47.080 --> 00:36:49.170
available to you by dialing that
00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:51.070
number that's on the screen,
00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:52.190
the 800-number.
00:36:52.190 --> 00:36:54.010
And everyone's prepared
00:36:56.080 --> 00:36:58.050
for that.
00:36:58.050 --> 00:36:58.270
I love doing these.
00:36:58.270 --> 00:37:00.020
This is, as we sat down, we got
00:37:01.130 --> 00:37:04.130
word that this now is the number
00:37:04.130 --> 00:37:06.230
one "New York Times" bestseller.
00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:08.180
Congratulations, Dr. Jeremiah.
00:37:08.180 --> 00:37:11.010
And that's a thrilling thing
00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:12.140
that all of it coordinated and
00:37:12.140 --> 00:37:14.190
that announcement came about
00:37:15.110 --> 00:37:18.110
the minute that we walked in
00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:19.260
to sit down in this little room
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.230
to do this interview.
00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:23.060
And the book is available.
00:37:23.060 --> 00:37:24.190
We want you to have it.
00:37:24.190 --> 00:37:25.170
It is for you.
00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:27.100
"Is This the End?"
00:37:27.100 --> 00:37:29.230
and the hope of Jesus is
00:37:29.230 --> 00:37:31.060
permeating in this book.
00:37:31.060 --> 00:37:32.240
Okay, it's available.
00:37:32.240 --> 00:37:34.180
Go to your phone.
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Russia.
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Jump off that one word.
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Russia.
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What do we need to think
00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:45.000
about that?
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- David: Well, you know, I
00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:46.110
don't know about you, I thought
00:37:46.110 --> 00:37:47.120
we were done with Russia,
00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:48.250
you know?
00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:49.210
the dissipation of
00:37:51.230 --> 00:37:54.120
the Soviet Union but Russia's
00:37:54.120 --> 00:37:56.180
back and everybody wonders,
00:37:56.180 --> 00:37:58.140
you know, how did that happen?
00:37:58.140 --> 00:38:00.140
Well, the interesting thing
00:38:00.140 --> 00:38:01.220
about Russia is it is the most
00:38:01.220 --> 00:38:03.220
prophesied nation in the Bible.
00:38:03.220 --> 00:38:05.290
If you go to Ezekiel 38 and 39,
00:38:05.290 --> 00:38:07.270
those two chapters tell
00:38:07.270 --> 00:38:10.000
everything that's gonna happen
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.260
with the king of the North,
00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:13.020
with Russia, in more detail
00:38:13.020 --> 00:38:14.120
than any other prophecy
00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:15.140
that you will find.
00:38:15.140 --> 00:38:16.280
It is the most--it's the most
00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:20.040
intimate detail of war in
00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:22.100
the Bible and it tells the story
00:38:22.100 --> 00:38:24.200
of how, in the end times,
00:38:24.200 --> 00:38:25.160
Russia's gonna have a coalition
00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:27.100
and it actually names the
00:38:27.100 --> 00:38:28.120
nation: Iran, some nations out
00:38:28.120 --> 00:38:31.000
of Turkey, perhaps parts of--and
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.160
they're gonna come together and
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go after Israel to destroy them.
00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:37.130
And Israel is--the Bible says
00:38:37.130 --> 00:38:39.040
they're gonna be living in
00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:40.060
unwalled villages because they
00:38:40.060 --> 00:38:42.040
will have signed a covenant with
00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:43.110
the Antichrist that he's gonna
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:44.230
take care of 'em so they quit
00:38:44.230 --> 00:38:45.280
worrying about their defense
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.070
and start doing everything
00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:48.270
to build their economy.
00:38:48.270 --> 00:38:50.100
So they're living without
00:38:50.100 --> 00:38:51.270
protection and here comes this
00:38:51.270 --> 00:38:53.130
coalition of armies from
00:38:53.130 --> 00:38:54.290
the North.
00:38:54.290 --> 00:38:56.060
Russia's leading the way.
00:38:56.060 --> 00:38:57.270
And it looks like
00:38:57.270 --> 00:38:59.200
Israel is dead meat.
00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:01.160
I mean, when you read this,
00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:02.180
it looks like there is no way
00:39:02.180 --> 00:39:03.240
they can recover.
00:39:03.240 --> 00:39:04.250
They're coming from every side.
00:39:04.250 --> 00:39:06.150
And then God intervenes.
00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:08.170
And God intervenes and the Bible
00:39:08.170 --> 00:39:10.280
says to show himself strong and
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.160
to protect the glory of God.
00:39:12.160 --> 00:39:13.290
And God decimates this army.
00:39:13.290 --> 00:39:16.110
In fact, the whole 39th chapter
00:39:16.110 --> 00:39:18.170
is the discussion of what
00:39:18.170 --> 00:39:20.130
it took to clean up the mess
00:39:20.130 --> 00:39:22.030
after this war.
00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:23.190
And how God demonstrated
00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:25.200
absolutely that he is the God of
00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:29.190
Israel and he is the God in whom
00:39:29.190 --> 00:39:31.190
they should trust.
00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:32.160
It's almost like what we were
00:39:32.160 --> 00:39:33.270
talking about with revival
00:39:33.270 --> 00:39:35.020
when all other hope is gone,
00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:36.130
God shows up and he's strong.
00:39:36.180 --> 00:39:39.180
And so the nation of Russia
00:39:39.180 --> 00:39:41.070
is pretty well defined
00:39:41.070 --> 00:39:42.240
in those chapters.
00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:43.200
- Matt: How far off are we
00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:45.180
from Ezekiel 38, 39?
00:39:45.180 --> 00:39:47.170
- David: Well, you know,
00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:48.250
there's some discussion about
00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:49.210
where that fits in
00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:50.180
the prophetic scheme.
00:39:50.180 --> 00:39:51.130
My personal belief is that
00:39:51.130 --> 00:39:53.060
it happens toward the end of
00:39:53.060 --> 00:39:55.100
our period of time before
00:39:55.100 --> 00:39:56.230
the Rapture takes place and, you
00:39:56.230 --> 00:39:58.090
know, what was it, 5 years ago,
00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:01.000
you would not have thought
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.170
that Russia would even have
00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:03.160
any conversation with Iran.
00:40:03.160 --> 00:40:05.070
And now they're best of buddies.
00:40:05.070 --> 00:40:06.270
They were like this...now
00:40:06.270 --> 00:40:08.200
they're friends and they're
00:40:08.200 --> 00:40:09.180
sending equipment to each other
00:40:09.180 --> 00:40:11.010
and helping each other.
00:40:11.010 --> 00:40:12.050
So kind of interesting to watch.
00:40:12.180 --> 00:40:15.180
- Laurie: ISIS.
00:40:15.180 --> 00:40:16.220
- David: Well, you know, that's
00:40:16.220 --> 00:40:18.290
the only program we didn't put
00:40:18.290 --> 00:40:20.290
on television and on the radio
00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:22.260
'cause we knew that they
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.040
wouldn't run it.
00:40:24.040 --> 00:40:25.280
So--it's so--and one of
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.240
the things that's so interesting
00:40:27.240 --> 00:40:30.090
to me is I ask people all over
00:40:30.090 --> 00:40:31.060
the country, "Tell me what
00:40:31.060 --> 00:40:32.150
does the word ISIS mean?"
00:40:32.150 --> 00:40:33.210
And hardly anybody knows.
00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:35.240
They don't know it's the Islamic
00:40:35.240 --> 00:40:36.270
State of Iraq and Syria."
00:40:36.270 --> 00:40:39.170
And ISIS in one small sentence,
00:40:39.230 --> 00:40:42.230
Laurie, is defined by the fact
00:40:42.230 --> 00:40:45.020
that it is an eschatology
00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:47.100
in action.
00:40:47.100 --> 00:40:49.060
They believe that all of their
00:40:49.060 --> 00:40:50.140
wickedness and jihad is going
00:40:50.170 --> 00:40:53.170
to bring back their messiah,
00:40:53.170 --> 00:40:55.130
the 12th--they believe that he
00:40:55.130 --> 00:40:57.160
can only come back when there's
00:40:57.160 --> 00:40:58.160
total foment and chaos.
00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:00.080
And so what they're doing,
00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:01.270
they believe is being done
00:41:01.270 --> 00:41:03.200
to bring back their messiah.
00:41:03.200 --> 00:41:05.120
That's why there is nothing you
00:41:05.120 --> 00:41:06.070
can do to reason with them.
00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:08.130
I tell people, "Don't try
00:41:08.130 --> 00:41:09.170
to reason with ISIS 'cause
00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:10.250
the only thing you have
00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:11.270
that they want is your life.
00:41:11.270 --> 00:41:13.210
You don't have anything that
00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:14.140
they want."
00:41:14.140 --> 00:41:15.130
What they want is to kill
00:41:15.130 --> 00:41:17.100
as many people as they can, chop
00:41:17.100 --> 00:41:18.200
off as many heads as they can,
00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:20.220
and create foment and chaos
00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:23.260
because they believe that it's
00:41:23.260 --> 00:41:25.120
only when they do that that
00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:27.050
their mahdi, their 12th mahdi,
00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:29.170
their messiah, will come back.
00:41:29.170 --> 00:41:31.000
So when you realize that,
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.260
now you realize why
00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:34.290
they're willing to do anything.
00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:36.030
They don't care.
00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:37.070
Life is unimportant to them
00:41:37.070 --> 00:41:38.110
'cause whatever they're doing,
00:41:38.110 --> 00:41:39.120
they're gonna bring their
00:41:39.120 --> 00:41:42.000
messiah back by their total
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.140
destruction of everybody
00:41:43.140 --> 00:41:45.260
in their wake.
00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:46.190
- Matt: Okay, in case nobody
00:41:46.190 --> 00:41:47.140
So we need some good news now.
00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:51.080
So just in case somebody was
00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:52.150
getting all anxious.
00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:56.020
Good news inside of this book
00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:58.110
is what?
00:41:58.110 --> 00:41:59.080
- David: The good news inside
00:41:59.080 --> 00:42:00.200
of this book is on the byline of
00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:02.080
the cover.
00:42:02.080 --> 00:42:03.060
It says, "God's Providence in a
00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:04.220
Disturbing New World."
00:42:04.220 --> 00:42:06.250
When you see all of these
00:42:06.250 --> 00:42:08.140
things--I haven't left out
00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:10.070
the good part.
00:42:10.070 --> 00:42:11.090
The good part is God is there.
00:42:11.090 --> 00:42:13.080
He's there in every situation.
00:42:13.080 --> 00:42:15.090
Just like you, just like when
00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:18.070
I went through cancer.
00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:19.040
I mean, that's really bad news.
00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:20.170
But that cancer drew me closer
00:42:20.170 --> 00:42:22.250
to the Lord because I saw God
00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:24.240
in the midst of that like
00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:26.040
I could never have seen him.
00:42:26.040 --> 00:42:27.180
During these times that are
00:42:27.180 --> 00:42:28.190
coming, during the things that
00:42:28.190 --> 00:42:30.000
are happening, God is always
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.190
at work.
00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:32.110
For instance, in the immigration
00:42:32.110 --> 00:42:33.080
problem, guess what?
00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:34.130
are coming to faith in Christ
00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:37.290
because they've been pushed into
00:42:37.290 --> 00:42:39.000
a border where there are
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.030
all these Hispanic churches,
00:42:40.030 --> 00:42:41.180
like your friend that you have
00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:43.220
on here a lot, Sammy Rodriguez.
00:42:43.220 --> 00:42:46.050
They're winning these people
00:42:46.050 --> 00:42:47.220
to Christ.
00:42:47.220 --> 00:42:48.150
Let me ask you.
00:42:48.150 --> 00:42:49.240
Would it be better to stay in
00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:51.080
the land where you were and
00:42:51.080 --> 00:42:52.270
be lost or immigrate into
00:42:52.270 --> 00:42:54.100
a land where you may not even
00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.220
wanna--may not should be
00:42:55.220 --> 00:42:57.140
and be saved?
00:42:57.140 --> 00:42:58.270
I'm saying when we--if we could
00:42:58.270 --> 00:43:01.070
see this from God's perspective,
00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:03.020
we'd see a much different
00:43:03.020 --> 00:43:03.290
situation.
00:43:03.290 --> 00:43:05.110
We'd see the darkness,
00:43:05.110 --> 00:43:06.170
all right, but we would
00:43:06.170 --> 00:43:08.160
see the darkness
00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:09.260
setting out the light.
00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:11.130
And that's the way it is in my
00:43:11.130 --> 00:43:12.210
life, it's in your life.
00:43:12.210 --> 00:43:14.070
Sometimes, when things are
00:43:14.070 --> 00:43:15.080
tough, you think, "God,
00:43:15.080 --> 00:43:16.010
what are you up to?"
00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:16.260
And then, you know,
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:18.230
as I mentioned before,
00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:19.180
providence is read backwards.
00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:20.290
When you look back, you see,
00:43:20.290 --> 00:43:22.090
"Oh, so that's what you were
00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:23.060
up to?"
00:43:23.060 --> 00:43:24.000
And that's what this book
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.100
is about.
00:43:25.100 --> 00:43:26.060
It's about how God is always in
00:43:26.060 --> 00:43:28.010
the midst of the situation yet
00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:29.120
it's a very honest book about
00:43:29.120 --> 00:43:31.160
the issues we face as a culture.
00:43:31.160 --> 00:43:34.010
- Matt: It's available right
00:43:34.010 --> 00:43:35.040
now by dialing the 800-number
00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:36.130
on your screen.
00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:37.140
All the operators
00:43:37.140 --> 00:43:38.210
are standing by.
00:43:38.210 --> 00:43:39.180
And as we sat down for this
00:43:39.180 --> 00:43:41.130
interview, it was a number one
00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:43.090
"New York Time" bestseller.
00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:45.080
We just got that news.
00:43:45.080 --> 00:43:46.080
Let's go back to
00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:47.290
the Appel Center right there
00:43:47.290 --> 00:43:48.240
in New York City.
00:43:48.240 --> 00:43:49.150
Beautiful venue.
00:43:49.150 --> 00:43:50.110
Pastor Jeremiah.
00:43:50.110 --> 00:43:52.140
- announcer: The isolation of
00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:53.200
Israel.
00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:55.020
- David: Ezekiel said one day
00:43:55.020 --> 00:43:56.050
Almighty God would speak to
00:43:56.050 --> 00:43:57.280
these bones and they would start
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.150
to come together and the nation
00:43:59.150 --> 00:44:01.020
of Israel would arise and they'd
00:44:01.020 --> 00:44:02.180
come out of the graves of
00:44:02.180 --> 00:44:04.000
the nations, in terms, out of
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.180
the nations themselves and
00:44:05.180 --> 00:44:06.150
regather in the land and Israel
00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:08.260
would be reconstituted
00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.110
as a nation.
00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:11.170
And we have lived in our
00:44:11.170 --> 00:44:13.040
lifetime to see that happen
00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:14.090
in 1948.
00:44:14.090 --> 00:44:16.010
and Israel was established
00:44:18.140 --> 00:44:19.280
as a nation.
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.140
I'm absolutely convinced that
00:44:21.140 --> 00:44:23.190
one of the reasons why, since
00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:25.070
1948, we had such incredible
00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:27.160
years of blessing in this
00:44:27.160 --> 00:44:28.290
nation, was because we put our
00:44:28.290 --> 00:44:30.290
arms around that young nation
00:44:30.290 --> 00:44:32.270
and helped them get established.
00:44:32.270 --> 00:44:35.000
As long as I have breath
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.190
and opportunity, I'm gonna be
00:44:36.190 --> 00:44:38.120
a champion for the nation of
00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:40.100
Israel because I believe
00:44:40.100 --> 00:44:41.220
that's God's purpose
00:44:41.220 --> 00:44:43.000
in this world today.
00:44:43.060 --> 00:44:46.060
- announcer: The resurrection
00:44:46.060 --> 00:44:47.110
of Russia.
00:44:47.110 --> 00:44:48.230
- David: If you go to the Book
00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:50.080
of Daniel, you will read about
00:44:50.080 --> 00:44:52.150
a person who is called
00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:54.200
the king of the North.
00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:58.190
So if he's the king of
00:44:58.190 --> 00:44:59.180
the North, what does that mean?
00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:01.100
He's the king of
00:45:01.100 --> 00:45:02.140
the North of Israel.
00:45:02.140 --> 00:45:04.210
And if you take out a pen and
00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:07.030
get a map and you just draw
00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:08.200
a straight line from Israel to
00:45:08.200 --> 00:45:10.150
the extreme North, there's only
00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:12.070
one place you're gonna end up
00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:13.030
and that's Russia.
00:45:13.030 --> 00:45:15.050
And the victory that God wins on
00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:18.120
the most astounding thing that
00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:21.110
has ever happened on this earth.
00:45:21.110 --> 00:45:23.100
And God himself
00:45:23.100 --> 00:45:25.010
will get the glory.
00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:26.260
And there will be no doubt about
00:45:26.260 --> 00:45:27.250
who saved Israel.
00:45:29.020 --> 00:45:32.020
It's almost like God takes every
00:45:32.020 --> 00:45:33.150
weapon out of the hands of
00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:35.230
the Israeli people, puts them in
00:45:35.230 --> 00:45:37.150
the most defenseless position
00:45:37.150 --> 00:45:39.120
they could be in so that none
00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:40.230
of 'em can stand up and say,
00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:42.090
"Look what we did."
00:45:42.090 --> 00:45:43.130
No, you didn't do anything.
00:45:43.130 --> 00:45:44.160
You just stood there and God
00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:45.170
came in and he won the war
00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:46.170
for you or you wouldn't
00:45:46.170 --> 00:45:47.250
be alive today.
00:45:47.250 --> 00:45:48.260
And how many of you know that's
00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:50.020
the way it is for all of us,
00:45:50.020 --> 00:45:51.020
isn't it?
00:45:51.020 --> 00:45:51.230
I've often thought, "God likes
00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:52.180
to get us at the end of
00:45:52.180 --> 00:45:53.200
ourselves where we don't have
00:45:53.200 --> 00:45:54.240
anything we can do so that when
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he does it he's the only one
00:45:55.270 --> 00:45:57.140
who can get the credit."
00:45:57.140 --> 00:45:59.180
- Laurie: I just wanna mention
00:45:59.180 --> 00:46:00.150
this beautiful little book.
00:46:00.150 --> 00:46:02.150
Okay, tell me, this is a kids'
00:46:02.150 --> 00:46:03.270
study Bible, first one in, like,
00:46:03.270 --> 00:46:06.260
20 years.
00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:07.220
- David: Yeah, it's
00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:08.110
the first--they tell me it's
00:46:08.110 --> 00:46:09.070
the first kids' study Bible to
00:46:09.070 --> 00:46:10.150
be produced in 20 years.
00:46:10.150 --> 00:46:11.150
- Laurie: Isn't that amazing?
00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:12.150
And what do you do--what do you
00:46:12.150 --> 00:46:13.150
do with this one?
00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:14.170
- David: Well, there's just all
00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:15.120
kinds of really cool things in
00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:16.130
there.
00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:17.020
We had a artist come in and
00:46:17.020 --> 00:46:18.040
create characters.
00:46:18.040 --> 00:46:19.020
It's called "Airship Genesis"
00:46:19.020 --> 00:46:21.090
and these characters get on
00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:22.170
their little spaceship and they
00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:23.240
travel and they--their first
00:46:23.240 --> 00:46:24.290
landing might be in, like,
00:46:24.290 --> 00:46:26.050
in the Garden of Eden and then
00:46:26.050 --> 00:46:27.160
we tell the whole Bible story
00:46:27.160 --> 00:46:29.140
of the Garden of Eden.
00:46:29.140 --> 00:46:30.120
And there are characters
00:46:30.120 --> 00:46:31.180
who talk.
00:46:31.180 --> 00:46:32.240
There's a podcast that come--
00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:34.180
that's available and that you
00:46:34.180 --> 00:46:35.170
can download when you get
00:46:35.170 --> 00:46:36.150
the Bible.
00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:37.160
It's very interactive.
00:46:37.160 --> 00:46:38.220
Things for parents to use to
00:46:38.220 --> 00:46:39.280
help their kids get excited
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.030
about the Scripture.
00:46:41.030 --> 00:46:42.160
And, you know, we believe
00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:45.170
with all of our heart that
00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:46.190
the answers are in God's Word.
00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:48.220
But they're not just answers
00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:49.220
for big people; they're answers
00:46:49.220 --> 00:46:52.010
for little people too.
00:46:52.010 --> 00:46:53.230
And we wanted to do something to
00:46:53.230 --> 00:46:54.220
help--I kinda feel like
00:46:54.220 --> 00:46:57.120
who's gonna buy those
00:46:57.120 --> 00:46:58.290
are grandparents, you know?
00:46:58.290 --> 00:47:00.220
They're gonna buy them for their
00:47:00.220 --> 00:47:01.240
grandchildren and get them--make
00:47:01.240 --> 00:47:03.090
sure that they have a copy of
00:47:03.090 --> 00:47:04.150
the Scripture.
00:47:04.150 --> 00:47:05.130
And it is a study Bible.
00:47:05.130 --> 00:47:06.090
It's the entire Bible,
00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:07.160
lots of character sketches,
00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:09.130
little stories for the kids to
00:47:09.130 --> 00:47:11.020
understand, beautiful artwork.
00:47:11.020 --> 00:47:12.190
It's very compelling.
00:47:12.190 --> 00:47:14.190
Somebody who was at
00:47:14.190 --> 00:47:16.150
the publisher said,
00:47:16.150 --> 00:47:17.150
"The introductions to these
00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:19.150
books are better than the ones
00:47:19.150 --> 00:47:20.140
in the big Bible.
00:47:20.140 --> 00:47:21.210
I go there and read those when
00:47:21.210 --> 00:47:22.220
I'm getting ready to study
00:47:22.220 --> 00:47:23.150
a book."
00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:24.050
So that's what we hoped would
00:47:24.050 --> 00:47:25.240
happen and we believe God
00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:27.140
is gonna really use this.
00:47:27.140 --> 00:47:28.290
He always uses his Word and we
00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:30.270
think his Word for kids is a
00:47:30.270 --> 00:47:32.200
pretty great thing.
00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:33.230
- Matt: Beautiful.
00:47:33.230 --> 00:47:34.200
In addition to the Kids' Study
00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:36.230
Dr. Jeremiah who is now got one
00:47:38.290 --> 00:47:41.170
more thing to add to your bio,
00:47:41.170 --> 00:47:44.150
by the way,
00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:45.120
you need to update it.
00:47:45.120 --> 00:47:46.060
This is a "New York Time"
00:47:46.060 --> 00:47:47.180
number one bestseller.
00:47:47.180 --> 00:47:49.020
It is "People Are Asking,
00:47:49.020 --> 00:47:51.020
'Is This the End?'"
00:47:51.020 --> 00:47:53.000
And one of the things that
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.030
is really about this book that
00:47:55.030 --> 00:47:57.200
we've been discussing on this
00:47:57.200 --> 00:47:58.270
entire project, is really that
00:47:58.270 --> 00:48:01.190
you want to tell the truth and
00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:05.090
you don't want to shrink away
00:48:05.090 --> 00:48:07.150
from telling the truth
00:48:07.150 --> 00:48:09.160
about many problems and ills
00:48:09.160 --> 00:48:11.180
in our modern society.
00:48:11.180 --> 00:48:13.240
But, at the same time,
00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:14.150
it's very hope-filled.
00:48:14.150 --> 00:48:15.190
And if there is another minute
00:48:15.190 --> 00:48:18.130
in another day and if this day
00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:20.190
continues to tick along
00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:22.280
we have another opportunity to
00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:27.130
do what Christ has called us all
00:48:27.130 --> 00:48:29.070
to do, which is souls.
00:48:29.070 --> 00:48:31.070
So take an opportunity now,
00:48:31.070 --> 00:48:33.020
Dr. Jeremiah.
00:48:33.020 --> 00:48:34.140
Your--you have breath
00:48:34.140 --> 00:48:36.030
in your lungs.
00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:37.010
We have lights, camera, action.
00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:38.250
We have satellites connected
00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:40.010
to this broadcast.
00:48:40.010 --> 00:48:41.050
And it's an opportunity for you
00:48:41.050 --> 00:48:43.170
to share the love of Jesus,
00:48:43.170 --> 00:48:44.270
please.
00:48:44.270 --> 00:48:45.270
- David: Well, you know, people
00:48:45.270 --> 00:48:46.190
tell me wherever I go and I've
00:48:46.190 --> 00:48:48.210
been so many places in the last
00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:50.110
2 months, I feel like I don't
00:48:50.110 --> 00:48:51.250
even know where my home is but
00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:53.030
the constant thing is that
00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:55.140
people are saying is that "what
00:48:55.140 --> 00:48:56.240
do we do in a time like this?"
00:48:56.240 --> 00:48:59.150
As I mentioned to you, this is
00:48:59.150 --> 00:49:01.120
unprecedented, all of this
00:49:01.120 --> 00:49:04.060
that we're experiencing.
00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.060
And then you look at the new
00:49:05.060 --> 00:49:07.230
things that have happened in
00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:08.190
the last decade that we've never
00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:10.140
dealt with before.
00:49:10.140 --> 00:49:12.110
And my message is that this is
00:49:12.110 --> 00:49:14.020
the greatest opportunity we
00:49:14.020 --> 00:49:15.220
could ever have to bring light
00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:19.090
into the darkness, to light
00:49:19.090 --> 00:49:21.030
candles that will be seen
00:49:21.030 --> 00:49:22.230
because the backdrop is much
00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:24.010
darker than it's ever been.
00:49:24.010 --> 00:49:25.070
And to say with great
00:49:25.070 --> 00:49:28.070
confidence, "Jesus Christ
00:49:28.070 --> 00:49:29.170
is the answer."
00:49:29.170 --> 00:49:31.080
If you will put your trust in
00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:32.120
Jesus Christ, not only will he
00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:34.030
give you the hope that you need
00:49:34.030 --> 00:49:35.220
for the future, but he will give
00:49:35.220 --> 00:49:37.170
you the strength
00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:39.000
and the purpose for today.
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.220
Because how many of you know,
00:49:41.220 --> 00:49:43.020
Matt, when you get the future,
00:49:43.020 --> 00:49:44.270
you get today.
00:49:44.270 --> 00:49:46.080
If you don't get the future, you
00:49:46.080 --> 00:49:47.200
don't get anything.
00:49:47.200 --> 00:49:48.190
If you don't get Christ, if you
00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:49.180
don't get salvation, you not
00:49:49.180 --> 00:49:50.260
only lose the future but today
00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:52.170
doesn't make any sense either.
00:49:52.170 --> 00:49:54.040
You get caught up in all of this
00:49:54.040 --> 00:49:55.150
melodrama that's going on
00:49:55.150 --> 00:49:57.060
around us.
00:49:57.060 --> 00:49:58.010
Here's what I know.
00:49:58.010 --> 00:49:59.120
It's an age-old statement that I
00:49:59.120 --> 00:50:01.000
don't know what the future holds
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.000
but I know who holds the future.
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.090
And my hope is in him.
00:50:05.090 --> 00:50:07.050
And if you have never put
00:50:07.050 --> 00:50:08.210
your trust in Jesus Christ,
00:50:08.210 --> 00:50:11.000
let me encourage you today.
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.050
You don't have to live
00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:13.270
in despair and you don't have
00:50:13.270 --> 00:50:15.150
to be filled with anxiety.
00:50:15.150 --> 00:50:17.050
Almighty God wants to give you
00:50:17.050 --> 00:50:19.070
his peace, and his peace
00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:20.130
is in a person.
00:50:20.130 --> 00:50:22.020
That person is Jesus Christ.
00:50:22.020 --> 00:50:24.040
Wherever you are, wherever
00:50:24.040 --> 00:50:25.190
you're watching this program,
00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:27.010
you can bow right now and simply
00:50:27.010 --> 00:50:29.000
say this prayer,
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.160
"Lord God, I need you.
00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:32.230
I need you to come
00:50:32.230 --> 00:50:33.220
and give me your peace.
00:50:33.220 --> 00:50:35.010
I know I'm a sinner and I know I
00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:37.060
can't save myself so I have to
00:50:37.060 --> 00:50:39.020
trust you and I'm trusting you
00:50:39.020 --> 00:50:40.270
today to be my own
00:50:40.270 --> 00:50:43.000
personal Savior.
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:44.040
Lord Jesus Christ, come into my
00:50:44.040 --> 00:50:45.230
heart and make me the person
00:50:45.230 --> 00:50:48.190
I was created to be.
00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.290
Clean me up from the inside out
00:50:50.290 --> 00:50:52.240
and give me your peace so that I
00:50:52.240 --> 00:50:54.240
will have the strength to stand
00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.220
during these days and have
00:50:56.220 --> 00:50:58.160
the hope that is promised
00:50:58.160 --> 00:51:00.270
in your book."
00:51:00.270 --> 00:51:01.190
And I pray you will do that.
00:51:01.190 --> 00:51:03.120
I pray that you will pray that
00:51:03.120 --> 00:51:04.240
prayer today in your heart and
00:51:04.240 --> 00:51:06.140
let us know here at this network
00:51:06.140 --> 00:51:08.020
so we can send you some
00:51:08.020 --> 00:51:09.210
information that will help you
00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:10.220
get started
00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:11.170
in your walk with Christ.
00:51:11.170 --> 00:51:13.050
- Matt: Another opportunity.
00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:15.020
- Laurie: I love you so much.
00:51:15.020 --> 00:51:16.100
- Matt: We had another
00:51:16.100 --> 00:51:17.270
opportunity to invite people
00:51:17.270 --> 00:51:19.070
to Christ all around the world.
00:51:19.070 --> 00:51:20.220
Do you know, there's satellites
00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:21.160
that take this broadcast all
00:51:21.160 --> 00:51:23.110
over the world and, you know,
00:51:23.110 --> 00:51:26.050
pretty much anywhere that you
00:51:26.050 --> 00:51:27.150
can receive a cell phone call,
00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:29.130
anywhere there's electricity in
00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:30.140
the world, this signal is there,
00:51:30.140 --> 00:51:32.180
by Ku-band, by C-band.
00:51:32.180 --> 00:51:34.200
And we have, you know, over
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.280
the years logged millions, tens
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.210
of millions, of decisions for
00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:43.260
Christ because of pastors like
00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:45.210
yourself that would make
00:51:45.210 --> 00:51:46.260
their way in front of one of
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.070
the cameras at TBN so thank--
00:51:48.070 --> 00:51:49.120
- David: Well, I don't think
00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:50.180
there's any question that there
00:51:50.180 --> 00:51:51.220
couldn't be anybody who's had
00:51:51.220 --> 00:51:53.120
a greater impact on the world
00:51:53.120 --> 00:51:56.020
at large than this network.
00:51:56.020 --> 00:51:57.230
It's the greatest delivery
00:51:57.230 --> 00:51:59.060
system anybody's
00:51:59.060 --> 00:52:00.100
ever dreamed of.
00:52:00.100 --> 00:52:01.210
And nothing even close.
00:52:01.210 --> 00:52:02.270
I'm so honored to be here.
00:52:02.270 --> 00:52:04.030
- Matt: The partners at TBN
00:52:04.030 --> 00:52:05.020
bought into the vision of TBN.
00:52:05.090 --> 00:52:08.090
My sweet little mom and daddy
00:52:08.090 --> 00:52:09.220
many years ago, not far from
00:52:09.220 --> 00:52:11.130
where we are today, heard the
00:52:11.130 --> 00:52:13.130
voice of the Lord call them
00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:16.230
to this broadcast and Laurie
00:52:16.230 --> 00:52:18.230
and I's honor is that the second
00:52:18.230 --> 00:52:21.030
generation of TBN
00:52:21.030 --> 00:52:22.170
has fully been realized.
00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:23.290
My parents are in heaven today.
00:52:23.290 --> 00:52:25.140
We miss them, we love them, but
00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:27.110
the same thing that's happened
00:52:27.110 --> 00:52:29.020
40 years ago is still happening.
00:52:29.020 --> 00:52:31.050
A Dr. Jeremiah is looking into
00:52:31.050 --> 00:52:33.010
a camera and inviting you
00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:34.260
to know Jesus.
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:36.000
That's what this network
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.230
was raised up to do.
00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:38.020
That's why the partners bought
00:52:38.020 --> 00:52:39.130
into the vision of it
00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.010
over all these years.
00:52:41.010 --> 00:52:42.080
The vision continues.
00:52:42.080 --> 00:52:43.150
This book that we've been
00:52:43.150 --> 00:52:45.280
discussing all along today is
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.030
"People Are Asking,
00:52:48.030 --> 00:52:49.200
'Is This the End?'
00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:51.120
Signs of God's Providence
00:52:51.120 --> 00:52:53.100
in a Disturbing New World."
00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:55.170
It is a book.
00:52:55.170 --> 00:52:56.160
It is now a "New York Time"
00:52:56.160 --> 00:52:58.170
number one bestseller.
00:52:58.170 --> 00:52:59.240
We got word of that as we
00:52:59.240 --> 00:53:01.070
sat down for this interview.
00:53:01.070 --> 00:53:03.180
available to you.
00:53:06.010 --> 00:53:06.280
All the operators
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.030
are standing by.
00:53:08.030 --> 00:53:09.120
They know why you're calling
00:53:09.120 --> 00:53:10.270
if you call that 800-number.
00:53:10.270 --> 00:53:12.190
We're trying to make it easy
00:53:12.190 --> 00:53:13.120
on everybody.
00:53:13.120 --> 00:53:14.190
And it's very rare that we
00:53:14.190 --> 00:53:16.080
can get a publisher, an author,
00:53:16.080 --> 00:53:18.070
and all of our schedules
00:53:18.070 --> 00:53:19.230
to coordinate but today, it
00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:21.040
happened and we got the news
00:53:21.040 --> 00:53:22.210
as we sat down
00:53:22.210 --> 00:53:23.250
that it's number one.
00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:25.000
That's an amazing thing.
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:25.290
Final thoughts to our audience
00:53:25.290 --> 00:53:28.040
concerning, "Is This the End?"
00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:30.040
answer short, is this the end?
00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:34.170
No.
00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:35.080
This is not the end.
00:53:35.080 --> 00:53:37.060
If it were the end, we'd be
00:53:37.060 --> 00:53:38.000
in heaven talking about this.
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.120
But what we ask and answer in
00:53:40.130 --> 00:53:43.130
this book is how should I live
00:53:44.060 --> 00:53:47.060
in this world today?
00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:48.200
And I wanna say we live with
00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:50.080
great hope because while we see
00:53:50.080 --> 00:53:52.240
all these things that we've
00:53:52.240 --> 00:53:55.090
chronicled in this book, we know
00:53:55.090 --> 00:53:56.150
that God has a plan for all of
00:53:56.150 --> 00:53:58.280
us and that his providence
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.280
is--he's in control.
00:54:01.120 --> 00:54:04.120
He's in charge.
00:54:04.120 --> 00:54:05.050
He's seated on the throne
00:54:05.050 --> 00:54:07.140
in heaven and,
00:54:07.140 --> 00:54:08.110
as I mentioned earlier,
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when you look into heaven,
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the throne's not unoccupied.
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God is at home.
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And one of these days, we'll
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be sitting around in eternity,
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talking about what we talked
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about here today and probably
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someone's gonna say, "Oh,
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so that's what that was about."
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But, you know, this is a real
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attempt on my part to at least
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give some biblical perspective
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on some of the most talked about
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issues in our world today
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and I pray that it will be
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an encouragement and a blessing
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to the TBN audience.
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- Matt: Thank you,
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Dr. Jeremiah.
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Back to New York City
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"Is This the End?"
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- David: "'It will come to pass
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at the same time, when Gog comes
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against the land of Israel,'
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says the Lord God, 'that
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My fury will show in My face.
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For in My jealousy and
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in the fire of My wrath
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I have spoken.'"
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Ezekiel describes
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four calamities that
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will descend upon this army.
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Now watch this.
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Here's Israel, this small
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unprotected group, and here's
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this massive army and this
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massive army has surrounded 'em.
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They're about to attack.
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Enter God.
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First of all, there will be
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monumental convulsions.
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Ezekiel 38 says, "Surely in
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that day there shall be a great
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earthquake in the land of
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Israel, so that the fish of the
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sea and the birds of the heavens
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and the beasts of the field, all
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creeping things that creep on
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the earth, and all men who are
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on the face of the earth
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will shake at My presence.
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The mountains shall be thrown
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down and steep places
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will fall and every wall
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- Matt: So thank you,
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Dr. Jeremiah,
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for being with us today.
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Number one "New York Time"
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bestseller.
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This is it.
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Thank you.
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We'll see you next time.
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We'll see you next time.
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