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Light In The Darkness: Rise Of The Iranian Church

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January 12, 2021
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Erick Stakelbeck and Reza Safa host from Iran.

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  • (dramatic music)
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  • - Welcome to this TBN special.
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  • I'm Erick Stakelbeck.
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  • When you think about Iran,what do you think of?
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  • The world's number onestate sponsor of terrorism
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  • led by a radical Islamic regime
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  • that's a sworn enemy of theUnited States and Israel.
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  • A nation where sharing thegospel can lead to torture,
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  • imprisonment, and even death.
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  • All of this is true,and yet more Iranians
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  • will celebrate the birthof Christ this year
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  • than ever before.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • According to a recent study,at least one million Iranians
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  • are now followers of Jesus,
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  • despite the constantthreat of persecution.
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  • Many of them gather inunderground house churches
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  • to worship the Lord.
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  • In fact, Iran may now be hometo the fastest-growing church
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  • in the world.
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  • On this TBN special,
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  • "Light in the Darkness: TheRise of the Iranian Church",
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  • you'll hear from some ofthese Iranian Christians
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  • who share their courageousstories of faith.
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  • You'll also hear from currentand former top US officials
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  • who've helped lead the charge
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  • in holding Iran'sregime accountable.
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  • Here's more on one ofthe great untold stories
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  • in the world today, therise of the Iranian Church.
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  • We're joined now by RezaSafa, Founder of TBN Nejat
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  • and Director of TBN Middle East.
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  • Reza, thank you somuch for joining us.
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  • - Good to be here.
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  • - Yeah, there isso much to discuss,
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  • but I think a good wayto start is to lay out
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  • how Iran is a Bible land.
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  • This was one of thelands mentioned manytimes in the Bible.
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  • Tell us a bit about thatfascinating history.
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  • - If you read throughthe Old Testament,
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  • you see the book of Esther,big portion of Nehemiah,
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  • Daniel all took place in Iran.
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  • As a matter of fact,Daniel is buried in Iran.
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  • Haggai is buried in Iran.
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  • And of course, Estherwas a Persian queen.
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  • You know, if you studythe history of Israel,
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  • Iran was the keynation that God used
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  • to protect Israel fromtotal destruction.
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  • Once during the time of Cyrus...
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  • As a matter offact, Cyrus was...
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  • his name was prophesiedby Isaiah 200 years
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  • before Cyrus was born.
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  • - [Erick] Yeah, and Godcalled him my servant Cyrus.
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  • He was born in Persia,which is modern-day Iran.
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  • - Exactly, and so Iran has beena key player, if you would,
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  • in the old Testamentin God's plan,
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  • and no wonder now Godis pouring His spirit
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  • so abundantly upon that land.
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  • - Yeah, Reza, what a lineage.
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  • I mean, you mentioned Esther,Mordecai, Daniel, Nehemiah.
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  • Incredible heritage.
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  • God is not done with Iran,and some of the prophecies
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  • from Jeremiah that youand I have talked about,
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  • tell us a bit more about that.
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  • - Jeremiah chapter 49 prophesiesat the end of the time
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  • what God will do to Elam,which was one of the nations
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  • that joined under Cyrusand became Great Persia.
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  • Elam, God says atthe end of the time,
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  • he will break their bow,and he will scatter people
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  • from that land to allcorners of the earth,
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  • all four corners of the earth,
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  • which has happenedsince Revolution.
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  • And then at the end, it saysGod will establish his throne
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  • in Elam at the end of the time.
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  • And isn't that interestingthat out of 51 Islamic nations,
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  • Iran is the first nation thatis a time of God's visitation,
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  • outpouring of God'sgrace upon that land.
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  • - And you have said,Reza, that Iran
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  • will become the first Islamicnation to turn to Christianity
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  • and against all odds, right?
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  • It's the world's number onestate sponsor of terrorism,
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  • an avowed enemy ofAmerica and Israel.
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  • But God is moving aswe're going to discuss
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  • and we'll discuss the prophetic.
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  • He's moving in Iran today,ancient Persia, in a mighty way.
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  • (soft music)
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  • - [Narrator] The IranianRevolution of 1979
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  • produced one of the world'smost tyrannical regimes.
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  • The Iranian peoplehave suffered greatly
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  • under the ruling Ayatollahswho have violently cracked down
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  • on any kind ofpolitical dissent.
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  • Freedom of speech and expressiondo not exist in Iran today,
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  • but it wasn't always this way.
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  • Iranians have a proudheritage that dates back
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  • some 2.600 years to thetime of the Persian Empire.
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  • In those days, Iran,then known as Persia,
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  • ruled much of the known world
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  • and was home to legendarybiblical figures
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  • like Esther, Mordecai,and King Cyrus the Great.
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  • Today, Iran's population ishighly educated and young.
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  • At least 60% of Iran's80 million people
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  • are under the age of 30.
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  • Many of these young Iranians
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  • have becomedisillusioned with Islam.
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  • Some have embracedatheism instead,
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  • but others have embraced Jesus.
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  • A recent poll by a secularDutch research group
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  • showed that Iran is now home
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  • to nearly onemillion Christians.
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  • Considering that preachingthe gospel is illegal in Iran,
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  • this growth is nothingshort of amazing,
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  • and it gives hope for anew era in this ancient
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  • and important MiddleEastern nation.
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  • - Growing up in Iran,
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  • you were a self-describedradical Shia Muslim.
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  • Tell us a bit aboutyour background
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  • and how that all changed.
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  • - You know, I grew upin a very radical home.
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  • My father was a Muslimscholar and a poet in nature.
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  • And as far backas I can remember,
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  • I remember I was a littlekid when my dad would kick me
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  • early in the morning beforethe sunrise to wake up
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  • and do the morning prayer.
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  • As you know, Muslims prayfive times every day.
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  • And one session isbefore the sunrise,
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  • and during themonth of Muharram,
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  • we would mourn, beatourselves with chains.
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  • The Shiite Islam do that.
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  • - So that's a ritual andShia Islam of self-inflicted-
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  • - Exactly.- Wounding.
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  • - For the death of theirImam that was inflicted
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  • by the hands of otherIslamic leaders.
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  • - So you supported the1979 Iranian Revolution?
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  • - Oh, absolutely.- At the time,
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  • and the AyatollahKhomeini's rise to power?
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  • - [Reza] Oh, absolutely.
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  • You know, I used to go withmy dad when I was a little kid
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  • into these meetings ofclerics, these high clerics
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  • that in hiding,
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  • they would have servicesabout what Khomeini taught.
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  • Either he was in Iraqor he was in France.
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  • And so-
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  • - [Erick] Before he came backto Iran and took power in '79.
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  • - Took power in Revolution 1979,
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  • sure, that happened.
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  • 1978, I left Iran.
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  • There was an emptinessinside of me.
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  • I came to America for study.
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  • I couldn't stay here morethan a year and a half
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  • because there wassuch a hunger in me
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  • and I couldn't find it here.
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  • So I went back afterRevolution 1979
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  • to get involved with Revolution.
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  • But when I came back to Iran,Iran had completely changed.
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  • The entire countryhad become violent.
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  • Big divisions withinhomes, families,
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  • and so I decided to leave again.
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  • This time I went to Sweden,
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  • and in Sweden I met twoSwedish missionaries
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  • that were working hard amongforeigners for a long time.
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  • And I was their first prey.
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  • (Erick chuckles)
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  • And I was lonely.
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  • I was interested in gettinginvolved with the culture there
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  • and they invited me to theirhomes, and they fed me.
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  • The more I read the Bible,
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  • the Bible says in Romans 10:17,
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  • "Faith comes by hearing andhearing the word of God."
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  • The more they taughtme the scripture,
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  • something started in my heart.
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  • Fear began to riseup in my heart.
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  • What if Muhammad was not of God?
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  • And that idea, that thoughtjust shook me to my boots.
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  • I remember I couldn't sleep atnight 'cause I was so afraid
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  • 'cause I'm doubtingthe prophet of God.
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  • You know, Islam isbuilt upon fear.
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  • (people chanting)
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  • And majority of peoplebelieve because of fear.
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  • And so one night I said,one night I prayed.
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  • After six months ofconfusion, I said,
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  • "Jesus, are you whatthe Bible says you are?"
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  • And may remind you, asa Muslim back in Iran,
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  • I had never heard about Jesus,
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  • other than he wasa prophet of God.
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  • So I prayed this prayer.
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  • I said, "Jesus, are youwhat the Bible says?"
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  • which is hard for me to believe,Jesus as the son of God.
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  • "If you are, show yourselfto me in this room,
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  • my little apartment in Sweden,and I will give you my life,
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  • but show up."
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  • You know, Jesus said, "Youpeople, unless you see
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  • by no other meansyou will believe."
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  • And I was one of those peoplethat Jesus talked about.
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  • So I went to bed.
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  • This was summertime.
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  • Sun rises about 3:30 inthe morning in Sweden.
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  • About three o'clock, I wokeup to do my morning prayers.
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  • As I sat on my bedto try to wake up,
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  • I heard the voice of God forthe first time in my life.
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  • May remind you, Iprayed day and night.
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  • Sometimes I wouldtravel 18 hours by train
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  • to the shrine of a dead Imam,
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  • beat myself for awhole week and pray
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  • so God would answer oneprayer and he did not.
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  • And that night I prayedone time to Jesus.
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  • And that morning when I woke up,
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  • I heard the voice of God forthe first time in my life.
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  • And that voice said to me,
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  • called my name withoutany accent, "Reza,"
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  • just like my momused to call me.
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  • "You don't need topray like this anymore.
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  • Your sins are forgiven you."
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  • And it wasn't so much ofwhat I heard that impacted me
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  • but what I felt on the inside,
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  • like somebody puta hand into my gut
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  • and yanked out allthat emptiness.
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  • And that was the beginningof my trouble, of course.
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  • - ...of my faith andI lost my family.
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  • My father disowned me.
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  • My mother wanted to sendme to a mental hospital.
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  • - How did you break the newsto your family back in Iran
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  • that, "Hey, I'veaccepted Jesus."
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  • I didn't wanna let them know.
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  • I was afraid theywould reject me,
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  • because I was very close.
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  • We were a very close family.
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  • But a year after my faith,one day I was walking home,
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  • I heard in my heart andmy spirit, the Lord said,
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  • "Now tell themabout your faith."
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  • And I wrote a six page letter.
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  • I'd never written to my familybefore, I always called them.
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  • I wrote a six page letterexplaining my testimony.
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  • And then that's when all thatmess began with my family.
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  • They tried to put mein a mental hospital
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  • through the embassy.
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  • - Through the IranianEmbassy in Sweden
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  • where you were living?
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  • - In Stockholm, correct.
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  • - In Stockholm.
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  • - My father called me.
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  • He said, "If you werehere, I would've killed you
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  • "with my own hands."
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  • And so, it's tough years.
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  • The first three years of myconversion was extremely tough.
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  • - You were all alone, in Sweden.
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  • - I was all alone, rejected.
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  • And I came to a place whereI wanted to commit suicide.
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  • It's a long story, butthe Lord delivered me
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  • from all of that.
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  • And my mother, several yearsago before she passed away,
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  • she accepted the Lord.
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  • - She did, it's amazing.
  • 00:11:08.290 --> 00:11:09.692
  • - And my sister nowwatches me on TV non-stop.
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  • The whole family nowknow about my faith,
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  • and some of them askme to pray for them,
  • 00:11:14.196 --> 00:11:17.500
  • you know not openprofession of their faith,
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  • but some of them believe.
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  • So it's been a long story.
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  • - Yeah, I mean, and anincredible story, Reza,
  • 00:11:25.007 --> 00:11:27.510
  • an incredible testimony, andnow you are leading TBN Nejat.
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  • Tell us about TBN Nejatand the great things
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  • you're doing there, in Iran.
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  • - You know, in 1990, whenI was living in Sweden
  • 00:11:35.718 --> 00:11:37.620
  • with a large ministry,traveling around the world
  • 00:11:37.620 --> 00:11:40.689
  • doing mass crusades,the Lord spoke to me,
  • 00:11:40.689 --> 00:11:43.692
  • among Muslim people.
  • 00:11:43.692 --> 00:11:45.194
  • The Lord told me, He said,"There's a big revival coming
  • 00:11:45.194 --> 00:11:47.296
  • "in the Muslim nations andyou have a part in it."
  • 00:11:47.296 --> 00:11:49.999
  • "So pack your bag, give yourhouse away to the church,
  • 00:11:49.999 --> 00:11:53.302
  • "move to America,I have a plan."
  • 00:11:53.302 --> 00:11:54.703
  • In 1990, I did that,came to America,
  • 00:11:54.703 --> 00:11:57.306
  • and I prayed day and night.
  • 00:11:57.306 --> 00:11:58.808
  • I fasted twice a week forover 10 years, 15 years.
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  • In 2003, I found out about thesatellite that goes to Iran
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  • and purchased a few hours ona secular Iranian network.
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  • The first day that programwent out, Sunday morning,
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  • there were so manycalls coming in,
  • 00:12:16.892 --> 00:12:18.894
  • Iranians accepting Jesus.
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  • I couldn't believe it.
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  • And that week, I had toadd two more lines to our
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  • phone system because therewere so many calls coming in.
  • 00:12:24.900 --> 00:12:27.603
  • Every week, we would get 300calls, people accepting Christ.
  • 00:12:27.603 --> 00:12:31.006
  • And so, 2006, Dr. Crouch foundout about what's happening
  • 00:12:33.008 --> 00:12:37.313
  • and asked us to move outhere and become part of TBN.
  • 00:12:37.313 --> 00:12:40.616
  • So 2006, we became full-timeTBN Nejat television.
  • 00:12:40.616 --> 00:12:44.920
  • (dramatic music)
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  • And ever since, it'sbeen tremendous.
  • 00:12:50.092 --> 00:12:53.095
  • The move of God inIran has been amazing
  • 00:12:53.095 --> 00:12:56.098
  • and an outpouring of God,the Spirit, upon that land.
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  • - Yeah, it's an unlikelyplace, obviously Reza,
  • 00:12:58.300 --> 00:13:00.603
  • as we discussed in the lead-in.
  • 00:13:00.603 --> 00:13:02.204
  • Look, Iran identified bythe U.S. State Department
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  • as the number one statesponsor of terrorism.
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  • But that's the regime.
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  • That's the government.
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  • That's not the Iranian people.
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  • And you say that Iranmay very well become
  • 00:13:11.113 --> 00:13:13.515
  • the first Muslim nationto embrace Christianity.
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  • Tell us about that.
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  • - You know, I believe ifthe rate of conversion
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  • that has been goingfor the past 15 years,
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  • if it continues likethis, which it is,
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  • Iran has got accordingto Operation World,
  • 00:13:25.194 --> 00:13:27.596
  • one of the largest, fastestgrowing churches in the world.
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  • And so, I thinkif this continues,
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  • I would say about 80% ofthe population of Iran
  • 00:13:35.304 --> 00:13:38.107
  • are anti the regimeand anti-Islam.
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  • The Iranian people havetasted the reality of Islam
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  • and the Islamic regimeand they want freedom.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And Christianity can beif we reach out to them
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  • or other ideologiesand religions.
  • 00:13:52.221 --> 00:13:55.190
  • - Yeah, and TBN Nejat is atthe tip of the spear, Reza,
  • 00:13:55.190 --> 00:13:57.793
  • bringing in the gospel to Iran.
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  • And you described yourown personal price
  • 00:13:59.695 --> 00:14:02.498
  • that you paid to embrace Christ.
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  • Iranians today, thousands andthousands of young Iranians,
  • 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.503
  • young and old, arepaying that same price.
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  • Our next guest isan Iranian pastor,
  • 00:14:10.606 --> 00:14:13.709
  • who had to paythat price as well,
  • 00:14:13.709 --> 00:14:15.511
  • who had to flee Iranbecause of his faith.
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  • Tell us a bit more about him.
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  • - Pastor Behzad, he andhis brother and sister
  • 00:14:19.715 --> 00:14:22.518
  • accepted Christ through ournetwork, TBN Nejat, in Iran.
  • 00:14:22.518 --> 00:14:26.522
  • And then they started growingand we started a home group.
  • 00:14:26.522 --> 00:14:30.693
  • You know, the first yearthat we started TBN Nejat,
  • 00:14:30.693 --> 00:14:33.696
  • we had over 100underground churches,
  • 00:14:33.696 --> 00:14:36.398
  • which of course we lostmost of them to persecution.
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  • He was one of those groups,at about 60 plus people
  • 00:14:39.001 --> 00:14:43.305
  • in his home.
  • 00:14:44.206 --> 00:14:45.007
  • They met every week.
  • 00:14:45.007 --> 00:14:46.408
  • And of course, the governmentraided their studies
  • 00:14:46.408 --> 00:14:49.311
  • and arrested themand they had to flee.
  • 00:14:49.311 --> 00:14:51.313
  • They came to Turkeyas a refugee.
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  • The brother came toAmerica with his wife.
  • 00:14:54.917 --> 00:14:57.319
  • Sister went to Canada,and he himself is still
  • 00:14:57.319 --> 00:15:00.322
  • in Turkey and overseeing twoof our churches in Turkey.
  • 00:15:00.322 --> 00:15:05.094
  • Because there are tensof thousands of believers
  • 00:15:05.094 --> 00:15:08.297
  • who fled Iran are now in Turkey.
  • 00:15:08.297 --> 00:15:10.199
  • So we're gonna talk tohim and find out more
  • 00:15:10.199 --> 00:15:12.601
  • about his a story.
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  • (suspenseful music)
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  • - Pastor, thank you somuch for joining us.
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  • Hey, you are in Turkey rightnow, but you are from Iran.
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  • Tell us a bit moreabout your background,
  • 00:15:28.317 --> 00:15:30.719
  • how you wound up in Turkey,and how you came to Christ.
  • 00:15:30.719 --> 00:15:34.189
  • - You know, I wasforced to leave Iran
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  • in 2011.
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  • Actually, I'm livinghere as a refugee.
  • 00:15:40.896 --> 00:15:44.299
  • In Iran we used to havean underground church
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  • and many people in Iranwere giving their hearts
  • 00:15:50.305 --> 00:15:54.410
  • to Jesus Christ astheir Lord and Savior.
  • 00:15:54.410 --> 00:15:57.212
  • But you know, theregime couldn't bear it,
  • 00:15:57.212 --> 00:15:59.915
  • because every week that we hada session, weekly sessions,
  • 00:15:59.915 --> 00:16:04.520
  • at least two personswere converted.
  • 00:16:04.520 --> 00:16:07.423
  • We were forced to leaveIran and to be refugees
  • 00:16:07.423 --> 00:16:11.493
  • in Turkey, you know.
  • 00:16:11.493 --> 00:16:13.195
  • - Did you come to faith inChrist through TBN Nejat TV?
  • 00:16:13.195 --> 00:16:18.000
  • - Actually, yes, butsomehow indirectly.
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  • You know, my brother,Benam, my elder brother,
  • 00:16:23.705 --> 00:16:27.509
  • he was the first personthat watched Nejat TV.
  • 00:16:27.509 --> 00:16:31.113
  • And then he preached the gospel
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  • to my younger sister andthey gave their hearts
  • 00:16:36.018 --> 00:16:39.021
  • to our Lord, Jesus Christ.
  • 00:16:39.021 --> 00:16:40.722
  • And then they asked me.
  • 00:16:40.722 --> 00:16:42.691
  • At the first I didn't want togive my heart to Jesus Christ,
  • 00:16:42.691 --> 00:16:46.395
  • because I was somehow
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  • tired of all the religions.
  • 00:16:49.098 --> 00:16:52.201
  • You know, because I supposethat religion is not
  • 00:16:52.201 --> 00:16:55.003
  • something good, because I havefelt the bondage of religion
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  • because I used to bea prejudice Muslim.
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  • And I used to exercise
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  • all the religion laws.
  • 00:17:07.816 --> 00:17:10.519
  • After awhile I wasreally depressed,
  • 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.522
  • but God touched methrough his Holy Spirit.
  • 00:17:13.522 --> 00:17:17.793
  • So you and your brotherBenam your sister Mariam,
  • 00:17:17.793 --> 00:17:22.097
  • came to Christ, and thenyou guys started having a
  • 00:17:22.097 --> 00:17:25.701
  • Bible study in yourhome and invited friends
  • 00:17:25.701 --> 00:17:28.403
  • and family members.
  • 00:17:28.403 --> 00:17:29.805
  • How did that go about?
  • 00:17:29.805 --> 00:17:31.006
  • - There was a pastor in Iran
  • 00:17:31.006 --> 00:17:34.510
  • that was working with you
  • 00:17:34.510 --> 00:17:37.012
  • and he asked us togo to their house.
  • 00:17:38.614 --> 00:17:41.617
  • So there was a house church,or underground church.
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  • We went over there for awhile.
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  • The pastor was forcedto leave Iran to Turkey,
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  • because they revealed thechurch and then we were alone.
  • 00:17:51.994 --> 00:17:56.999
  • So we had a heart for God.
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  • We wanted to preachgospel to everyone.
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  • That's why we started to gathertogether with each other.
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  • And after a while,we grew up very fast.
  • 00:18:08.010 --> 00:18:13.015
  • At the first, wewere three families,
  • 00:18:14.116 --> 00:18:15.617
  • but in 2011 we weremore than 100 people.
  • 00:18:15.617 --> 00:18:20.222
  • - And you paid aheavy price, Pastor.
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  • Look, you had to flee to Turkey.
  • 00:18:21.790 --> 00:18:24.293
  • Obviously the regimein Iran is brutal,
  • 00:18:24.293 --> 00:18:27.496
  • in the way they'recracking down on believers,
  • 00:18:27.496 --> 00:18:29.898
  • yet the church continuesto grow and thrive there.
  • 00:18:29.898 --> 00:18:33.202
  • Talk about some of the tacticsthat the Iranian regime
  • 00:18:33.202 --> 00:18:36.905
  • uses to try to keep believers,followers of Jesus down.
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  • Talk about the price forsharing the gospel inside Iran.
  • 00:18:41.710 --> 00:18:45.314
  • - Iran is a very big prison.
  • 00:18:45.314 --> 00:18:47.916
  • They are like hostages andthere are a lot of people
  • 00:18:47.916 --> 00:18:52.521
  • in Iran that areconverting to Christianity.
  • 00:18:52.521 --> 00:18:56.391
  • I see Iran like agarden, a ready harvest.
  • 00:18:56.391 --> 00:19:00.495
  • If one day Iran's door be open,
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  • I promise you that
  • 00:19:05.701 --> 00:19:06.702
  • just through one month youcan see a great revival.
  • 00:19:08.203 --> 00:19:13.008
  • Because Iranian hearts arealready ready for the truth.
  • 00:19:14.409 --> 00:19:18.313
  • Because when you arein a serious problem,
  • 00:19:19.514 --> 00:19:21.617
  • the only thing thatcan help you is truth.
  • 00:19:21.617 --> 00:19:25.821
  • The only thing that canhelp you is a living God.
  • 00:19:25.821 --> 00:19:29.992
  • - Pastor Behzad, nowthe story that I know,
  • 00:19:29.992 --> 00:19:33.895
  • that you left everything,your home, your family,
  • 00:19:33.895 --> 00:19:37.199
  • and you guys fledand came to Turkey.
  • 00:19:37.199 --> 00:19:39.301
  • Now you're pastoringtwo churches in Turkey
  • 00:19:39.301 --> 00:19:42.404
  • and these are allMuslim converts.
  • 00:19:44.006 --> 00:19:47.609
  • These all come fromMuslim backgrounds.
  • 00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:50.112
  • Tell us about that.
  • 00:19:50.112 --> 00:19:51.513
  • - Yeah, you know, whenwe came here in Turkey,
  • 00:19:51.513 --> 00:19:54.516
  • - At first, let me say thatwhen an Iranian secret police,
  • 00:19:56.518 --> 00:20:01.390
  • when revolutionary guard,
  • 00:20:01.390 --> 00:20:04.493
  • they asked me togo for inspection.
  • 00:20:04.493 --> 00:20:09.197
  • I said to my wife,
  • 00:20:09.197 --> 00:20:11.400
  • "If they catch me.
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  • If they put me in prison, evenif they kill me, it's worth
  • 00:20:13.802 --> 00:20:18.807
  • because to be with Christ,even if you live two years
  • 00:20:19.308 --> 00:20:24.012
  • it's worth the wholelife that is meaningless.
  • 00:20:24.012 --> 00:20:27.716
  • You know?
  • 00:20:27.716 --> 00:20:28.817
  • So for me, that was like that.
  • 00:20:28.817 --> 00:20:31.019
  • That was a privilegeto be Christian
  • 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:33.622
  • no matter what isgoing to happen to us
  • 00:20:34.690 --> 00:20:37.392
  • for many people inIran, it is like that.
  • 00:20:37.392 --> 00:20:40.095
  • So when we came to Turkey,also, we couldn't be silent.
  • 00:20:40.095 --> 00:20:45.100
  • We had a heart toserve the Lord.
  • 00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:48.403
  • So as soon as we came toTurkey, we started a church.
  • 00:20:48.403 --> 00:20:53.008
  • According to our pastorguidance, pastor Riza.
  • 00:20:53.008 --> 00:20:57.612
  • He helped us to establishchurches over there.
  • 00:20:57.612 --> 00:21:02.217
  • Right now, I'm pastoringtwo churches here in Sakarya
  • 00:21:02.217 --> 00:21:06.121
  • and also in Kayseri, you know.
  • 00:21:06.121 --> 00:21:07.889
  • Also three churchesand one in...
  • 00:21:07.889 --> 00:21:10.992
  • This is the bestthing that we can do.
  • 00:21:13.395 --> 00:21:15.397
  • This is the...
  • 00:21:15.397 --> 00:21:16.898
  • A meaningful life to serveour Lord Jesus Christ.
  • 00:21:16.898 --> 00:21:20.302
  • - Yeah, pastor there is someserious spiritual warfare
  • 00:21:20.302 --> 00:21:24.806
  • going on right nowin Iran, obviously.
  • 00:21:24.806 --> 00:21:27.509
  • One of the most repressiveregimes in the world.
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  • Last question, tell ushow we here in America
  • 00:21:31.012 --> 00:21:34.516
  • and in the West,how can we help?
  • 00:21:34.516 --> 00:21:36.918
  • And how can we pray for thepersecuted Iranian church?
  • 00:21:36.918 --> 00:21:40.922
  • - There is a outlineI think from Iran
  • 00:21:40.922 --> 00:21:45.193
  • that everything is bad.
  • 00:21:45.193 --> 00:21:47.496
  • Iranian people areagainst America.
  • 00:21:47.496 --> 00:21:49.898
  • There are a lot of slogansagainst the Israel,
  • 00:21:49.898 --> 00:21:53.802
  • against the America, butplease don't believe it.
  • 00:21:53.802 --> 00:21:57.906
  • Please look at us,look at our face.
  • 00:21:57.906 --> 00:22:01.109
  • We have a faceless faith
  • 00:22:03.812 --> 00:22:05.714
  • as our pastor made thedocumentary out of that.
  • 00:22:05.714 --> 00:22:08.917
  • This is a good name becauseour face is faceless.
  • 00:22:08.917 --> 00:22:13.622
  • You know, so please see us.
  • 00:22:13.622 --> 00:22:16.291
  • Please see thatthey're your brothers,
  • 00:22:16.291 --> 00:22:18.393
  • your sisters are living in Iran.
  • 00:22:18.393 --> 00:22:20.495
  • They love the Lord.
  • 00:22:20.495 --> 00:22:22.798
  • They don't hate anyone.
  • 00:22:22.798 --> 00:22:24.299
  • Not for sure.
  • 00:22:25.801 --> 00:22:27.002
  • Israel, not for sure America
  • 00:22:27.002 --> 00:22:29.604
  • on their other blog,brothers and sisters.
  • 00:22:29.604 --> 00:22:32.607
  • And I want also thank you
  • 00:22:32.607 --> 00:22:34.109
  • for this opportunity thatwe can come to your TV
  • 00:22:34.109 --> 00:22:37.913
  • and speak about our faith,our situation, God bless you.
  • 00:22:37.913 --> 00:22:42.117
  • And that was a privilegeto be with you brothers.
  • 00:22:42.117 --> 00:22:46.421
  • - Thank you Behzad.
  • 00:22:46.421 --> 00:22:47.622
  • - It was our privilege.
  • 00:22:47.622 --> 00:22:48.590
  • God bless pastorand pastor Reza.
  • 00:22:48.590 --> 00:22:50.892
  • He talked about, or wejust talked what we can do
  • 00:22:52.294 --> 00:22:54.896
  • as the body of Christhere in the West
  • 00:22:54.896 --> 00:22:56.698
  • for the Iranian believers.
  • 00:22:56.698 --> 00:22:58.500
  • But what is the U.S.government doing?
  • 00:22:58.500 --> 00:23:00.602
  • We have a chance now to talkto the ambassador at large
  • 00:23:00.602 --> 00:23:03.605
  • for internationalreligious freedom,
  • 00:23:03.605 --> 00:23:05.407
  • the top official on thisissue for the United States,
  • 00:23:05.407 --> 00:23:08.710
  • ambassador Sam Brownback.
  • 00:23:08.710 --> 00:23:10.912
  • (gentle piano music)
  • 00:23:10.912 --> 00:23:14.015
  • Ambassador Brownback, thankyou so much for joining us.
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  • Iran, a country ofparticular concern
  • 00:23:20.922 --> 00:23:24.593
  • when it comes to repressingreligious minorities
  • 00:23:24.593 --> 00:23:28.597
  • and cracking down onreligious freedom.
  • 00:23:28.597 --> 00:23:31.099
  • Tell us some of the waysthat the Iranian regime
  • 00:23:31.099 --> 00:23:33.902
  • persecutes not onlyChristians, but Sunnis, Baha'is
  • 00:23:33.902 --> 00:23:37.706
  • and other religiousminorities inside Iran.
  • 00:23:37.706 --> 00:23:41.009
  • - Basically, if you're nota Shia Muslim of the type
  • 00:23:41.009 --> 00:23:45.614
  • that the Iranian regimeapproves of you're persecuted,
  • 00:23:45.614 --> 00:23:49.918
  • and it buries the wholegamut from being put in jail,
  • 00:23:49.918 --> 00:23:54.122
  • and in some casesbeaten or executed
  • 00:23:54.122 --> 00:23:57.993
  • to much more subtle ways,
  • 00:23:57.993 --> 00:23:59.394
  • you can't get intocertain schools
  • 00:23:59.394 --> 00:24:01.696
  • or you can't attendcertain events.
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  • It varies greatly.
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  • The thing thatdoesn't vary is that
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  • if you're outside ofthe one type of Islam
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  • that they recognize,you're gonna be persecuted.
  • 00:24:12.007 --> 00:24:16.211
  • - What is life likefor Iranians who say,
  • 00:24:16.211 --> 00:24:18.914
  • "Live Islam, live thatradical strain of Shia Islam."
  • 00:24:18.914 --> 00:24:22.517
  • which you described.
  • 00:24:22.517 --> 00:24:24.019
  • What's life like for thoseIranians who leave Islam
  • 00:24:24.019 --> 00:24:26.521
  • and embrace Christianity
  • 00:24:26.521 --> 00:24:28.089
  • - You can be charged withapostasy or blasphemy.
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  • And in that situation
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  • you can receive thedeath penalty for that.
  • 00:24:33.495 --> 00:24:36.698
  • And people have receivedthe death penalty for that.
  • 00:24:36.698 --> 00:24:39.901
  • Now, the thing that'sgoing on in Iran today
  • 00:24:39.901 --> 00:24:42.504
  • is that there are somany people leaving Islam
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  • and forming house churchesor underground cells.
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  • There's the capacityin the jail system
  • 00:24:49.711 --> 00:24:51.613
  • but they aren't gettingeverybody arrested.
  • 00:24:51.613 --> 00:24:54.916
  • And you're seeing thisreally burgeoning expansion
  • 00:24:54.916 --> 00:24:58.219
  • of people leaving Shia Islam.
  • 00:24:58.219 --> 00:25:01.022
  • And part of it I believe
  • 00:25:01.022 --> 00:25:02.490
  • is because thecountry forces you
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  • to believe this way.
  • 00:25:04.793 --> 00:25:05.994
  • People want to dowith their own soul
  • 00:25:05.994 --> 00:25:07.596
  • what they believethey should do with it
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  • and not what the governmenttells them to do.
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  • And I think that'swhy part of why
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  • you're seeing such anexpansion taking place there.
  • 00:25:14.402 --> 00:25:17.105
  • - Ambassador, Christians inIran have paid a heavy price.
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  • The church is growing by leapsand bounds as you described.
  • 00:25:20.609 --> 00:25:23.511
  • But I think of cases
  • 00:25:23.511 --> 00:25:24.813
  • like pastor Youcef Nadarkhani
  • 00:25:24.813 --> 00:25:26.715
  • and other high profile cases
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  • of Iranian Christianswho are being persecuted.
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  • In your work asambassador at large
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  • you've dealt withthese cases firsthand.
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  • Can you tell us a bit more
  • 00:25:36.791 --> 00:25:38.393
  • about what these believersare suffering inside Iran?
  • 00:25:38.393 --> 00:25:41.696
  • You know, the best way Icould probably describe it
  • 00:25:43.298 --> 00:25:45.000
  • is of a believer that Imet with in Los Angeles
  • 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.003
  • had left Iran,forced out of Iran.
  • 00:25:48.003 --> 00:25:50.205
  • He was a pastor in thiscountry and he was telling me
  • 00:25:51.606 --> 00:25:55.110
  • he used to get pickedup interrogated,
  • 00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:58.413
  • beat on, thrown in jail.
  • 00:25:58.413 --> 00:26:01.216
  • And one time he's beinginterviewed by a police officer
  • 00:26:01.216 --> 00:26:04.419
  • and the policeofficer takes a bullet
  • 00:26:04.419 --> 00:26:06.421
  • and he starts rolling itaround in his finger and say,
  • 00:26:07.822 --> 00:26:10.291
  • "And I think every Christianshould get one of these."
  • 00:26:10.291 --> 00:26:13.895
  • And obviously
  • 00:26:14.896 --> 00:26:15.997
  • telling him he should be shot.
  • 00:26:18.500 --> 00:26:20.602
  • It's that sort of persecution
  • 00:26:20.602 --> 00:26:23.104
  • that a lot ofChristians will receive,
  • 00:26:23.104 --> 00:26:25.006
  • many will be thrown intojail for a period of time.
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  • I do want to say, though,during this COVID crisis
  • 00:26:28.610 --> 00:26:32.013
  • we've actually seenthe Iranian regime
  • 00:26:32.013 --> 00:26:33.915
  • release people of faith.
  • 00:26:33.915 --> 00:26:36.017
  • Some people of faith, someChristians, some Bahai.
  • 00:26:36.017 --> 00:26:38.420
  • Some of others becauseof the COVID crisis.
  • 00:26:38.420 --> 00:26:42.090
  • So that has hadan impact on them.
  • 00:26:42.090 --> 00:26:45.794
  • Releasing some people from jail
  • 00:26:45.794 --> 00:26:47.796
  • - Which isfascinating by the way
  • 00:26:48.797 --> 00:26:50.799
  • for AmericanChristians ambassador,
  • 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.102
  • hey in many ways wehave it pretty good
  • 00:26:54.102 --> 00:26:56.104
  • in this nation, obviously.
  • 00:26:56.104 --> 00:26:57.305
  • Whereas our brothersand sisters in Christ
  • 00:26:57.305 --> 00:26:59.607
  • in Iran are payinga heavy price.
  • 00:26:59.607 --> 00:27:02.210
  • For people watching right now
  • 00:27:02.210 --> 00:27:04.012
  • what can we do asChristians here in America
  • 00:27:04.012 --> 00:27:06.815
  • even non Christians in America,
  • 00:27:06.815 --> 00:27:08.516
  • what can we do tohelp, to support,
  • 00:27:08.516 --> 00:27:11.219
  • to stand with thesepersecuted Iranian believers?
  • 00:27:11.219 --> 00:27:14.622
  • Yeah, the first thingyou can do is pray,
  • 00:27:16.291 --> 00:27:18.493
  • pray for thesepersecuted believers,
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  • pray that they'llhave the courage
  • 00:27:21.196 --> 00:27:22.797
  • and the strength to stand up.
  • 00:27:22.797 --> 00:27:24.399
  • When I talk to them
  • 00:27:24.399 --> 00:27:25.900
  • they don't pray particularlyfor their suffering to be gone
  • 00:27:25.900 --> 00:27:29.604
  • but that they'llhave the courage
  • 00:27:29.604 --> 00:27:32.006
  • to be able to standwhere they are.
  • 00:27:32.006 --> 00:27:35.210
  • A second, I think you can reallyurge your elected officials
  • 00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:38.213
  • at the federal level in Congress
  • 00:27:38.213 --> 00:27:39.814
  • and the Senate to standup for religious freedom.
  • 00:27:39.814 --> 00:27:42.517
  • This is the country in the world
  • 00:27:42.517 --> 00:27:44.519
  • that most stands forreligious freedom.
  • 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.422
  • And having ourrepresentatives push for that
  • 00:27:47.422 --> 00:27:49.691
  • I think is a keything for us to do.
  • 00:27:49.691 --> 00:27:52.093
  • We can also pushthat our government
  • 00:27:52.093 --> 00:27:53.995
  • which stand and push back
  • 00:27:53.995 --> 00:27:55.396
  • against the Iranian regime
  • 00:27:55.396 --> 00:27:56.898
  • that we not help fundthe Iranian regime.
  • 00:27:57.999 --> 00:28:00.502
  • That we confrontthe Iranian regime
  • 00:28:00.502 --> 00:28:03.905
  • with this expansionplan that they have.
  • 00:28:03.905 --> 00:28:06.407
  • And I would know too,
  • 00:28:06.407 --> 00:28:08.109
  • you have a numbermost Sunni countries
  • 00:28:08.109 --> 00:28:11.012
  • are pushing back against theIranian regime very strongly.
  • 00:28:11.012 --> 00:28:15.917
  • And so we wanna work withthem in their efforts
  • 00:28:15.917 --> 00:28:20.522
  • to push back against Iran.
  • 00:28:20.522 --> 00:28:22.991
  • - Yeah, ambassadorthat's a great point.
  • 00:28:22.991 --> 00:28:24.392
  • You see, obviously Saudi Arabia,
  • 00:28:24.392 --> 00:28:26.694
  • the UAE, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan,
  • 00:28:26.694 --> 00:28:29.097
  • the Sunni nationsactually drawing closer
  • 00:28:29.097 --> 00:28:31.699
  • to Israel as thatIran threat looms.
  • 00:28:31.699 --> 00:28:35.003
  • Could you talk abit more real quick
  • 00:28:35.003 --> 00:28:36.905
  • about those changing dynamicsin the middle East today
  • 00:28:36.905 --> 00:28:39.607
  • and how the Iranian threatis a big reason for it?
  • 00:28:39.607 --> 00:28:42.710
  • - You know, these are the things
  • 00:28:44.212 --> 00:28:46.614
  • if it were anotheradministration
  • 00:28:46.614 --> 00:28:48.516
  • would be nominated fora Nobel Peace Prize,
  • 00:28:48.516 --> 00:28:51.920
  • the UAE and Israel enteringinto these Abrahamic Accords
  • 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.891
  • and diplomatic relationsand Bahrain and Sudan.
  • 00:28:57.992 --> 00:29:01.496
  • These are reallymind popping things
  • 00:29:01.496 --> 00:29:05.099
  • that you've gotthis taking place.
  • 00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.202
  • And it has happened
  • 00:29:07.202 --> 00:29:08.603
  • in a context of arecognition of Abraham.
  • 00:29:08.603 --> 00:29:12.307
  • - Yeah, and ambassador,
  • 00:29:12.307 --> 00:29:13.508
  • when it comes to thisreligious freedom issue
  • 00:29:13.508 --> 00:29:15.410
  • you are at the forefront of it.
  • 00:29:15.410 --> 00:29:18.112
  • What do you see comingdown the pike with Iran?
  • 00:29:18.112 --> 00:29:20.715
  • And what do you think ofthe international community?
  • 00:29:20.715 --> 00:29:23.718
  • You're doing greatwork, obviously
  • 00:29:23.718 --> 00:29:25.119
  • for the state departmentfor the United States,
  • 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.121
  • but what about the internationalcommunity's response
  • 00:29:27.121 --> 00:29:29.290
  • to all this Iranianrepression of Christians
  • 00:29:29.290 --> 00:29:32.594
  • and other religious minorities?
  • 00:29:32.594 --> 00:29:34.295
  • Would you like to see more at
  • 00:29:34.295 --> 00:29:35.697
  • say the UN and in other nations,
  • 00:29:35.697 --> 00:29:37.899
  • particularly here in the West
  • 00:29:37.899 --> 00:29:40.101
  • in responding to Iran'sdangerous behavior?
  • 00:29:40.101 --> 00:29:42.804
  • - I really wish we didget a lot more support
  • 00:29:43.104 --> 00:29:45.907
  • from other nationsthat do believe
  • 00:29:45.907 --> 00:29:48.109
  • in religious freedompushing back on Iran.
  • 00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:50.411
  • But it seems like there toooften as a tepidness about it
  • 00:29:50.411 --> 00:29:54.916
  • or lack of a willingnessto confront a regime
  • 00:29:54.916 --> 00:29:57.819
  • that is so bad on this topic.
  • 00:29:57.819 --> 00:30:01.122
  • But I think the keything for us to do
  • 00:30:01.122 --> 00:30:02.690
  • is just to continueto put pressure and
  • 00:30:02.690 --> 00:30:04.692
  • to put the facts out,to put the stories out.
  • 00:30:04.692 --> 00:30:07.795
  • So we host a religiousfreedom summit
  • 00:30:07.795 --> 00:30:10.498
  • and we bring people upto speak that have been
  • 00:30:10.498 --> 00:30:13.601
  • persecuted fortheir faith in Iran.
  • 00:30:13.601 --> 00:30:16.004
  • And it's important.
  • 00:30:16.004 --> 00:30:17.605
  • And one final point on this.
  • 00:30:17.605 --> 00:30:18.806
  • I'm was meeting with agroup in Tennessee once,
  • 00:30:18.806 --> 00:30:22.210
  • and it was lamentinghow we weren't
  • 00:30:22.210 --> 00:30:23.711
  • getting more done against Iran.
  • 00:30:23.711 --> 00:30:26.314
  • And I had a Bahai, a manwho was a Bahai believer
  • 00:30:26.314 --> 00:30:29.317
  • come up to meafterwards and said,
  • 00:30:29.317 --> 00:30:30.618
  • "You know, I know youwant to get more done,
  • 00:30:30.618 --> 00:30:33.121
  • but let me tell you this.
  • 00:30:33.121 --> 00:30:34.722
  • If United States and some ofthe international community
  • 00:30:34.722 --> 00:30:37.492
  • wasn't standing up againstIran on religious persecution
  • 00:30:37.492 --> 00:30:41.896
  • they know where all ofthe Bahais are in Iran
  • 00:30:41.896 --> 00:30:44.799
  • and we'd all be roundedup and might well be shot.
  • 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.303
  • So what you'redoing is important
  • 00:30:48.303 --> 00:30:50.104
  • and it's keeping people alive."
  • 00:30:50.104 --> 00:30:52.006
  • - Yeah, ambassador,the United States still
  • 00:30:52.006 --> 00:30:53.508
  • that beacon of hope andfreedom for the world.
  • 00:30:53.508 --> 00:30:56.110
  • Hey, last question.
  • 00:30:56.110 --> 00:30:57.612
  • You've served in many highprofile roles over your career.
  • 00:30:57.612 --> 00:31:00.214
  • Been a Senator from Kansas.
  • 00:31:00.214 --> 00:31:02.016
  • In this role asAmbassador-at-Large
  • 00:31:02.016 --> 00:31:04.419
  • for InternationalReligious Freedom,
  • 00:31:04.419 --> 00:31:06.120
  • you've heard obviously sometremendous, impactful stories.
  • 00:31:06.120 --> 00:31:10.091
  • Talk about the impact thisrole has had on you personally.
  • 00:31:10.091 --> 00:31:13.695
  • It's been a profoundimpact on me
  • 00:31:14.796 --> 00:31:16.998
  • personally and in my faith.
  • 00:31:16.998 --> 00:31:19.300
  • I've talked with peoplewho have seen Jesus
  • 00:31:19.300 --> 00:31:24.305
  • and they've toldme what he said.
  • 00:31:25.306 --> 00:31:26.607
  • Had a man from Saudi Arabia say,
  • 00:31:26.607 --> 00:31:28.910
  • "I saw this man in white, inmy room at night and he said,
  • 00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:33.414
  • 'I am the way the truthand the life follow me.'"
  • 00:31:33.414 --> 00:31:36.818
  • And he thought it was Joseph.
  • 00:31:36.818 --> 00:31:38.119
  • He didn't know whatJesus looked like.
  • 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.222
  • And he goes tochurch and he says,
  • 00:31:41.222 --> 00:31:42.390
  • "That's the guy I sawwho, who is that?"
  • 00:31:42.390 --> 00:31:43.791
  • I said, "Well, that's Jesus."
  • 00:31:43.791 --> 00:31:45.593
  • And he told me this.
  • 00:31:45.593 --> 00:31:47.195
  • And the guy hasradically changed hislife and is a witness.
  • 00:31:47.195 --> 00:31:51.899
  • You know, it's hard to bearound people like that, who
  • 00:31:51.899 --> 00:31:55.803
  • have seen Jesus and not bestirred in your own faith.
  • 00:31:57.805 --> 00:32:02.310
  • - Yeah, ambassador,thank you so much.
  • 00:32:03.411 --> 00:32:04.512
  • We really appreciate it.
  • 00:32:04.512 --> 00:32:05.513
  • Keep up the great work.
  • 00:32:05.513 --> 00:32:06.314
  • God bless you.
  • 00:32:06.314 --> 00:32:07.115
  • - Thank you.
  • 00:32:08.216 --> 00:32:09.017
  • God bless you too.
  • 00:32:09.017 --> 00:32:09.917
  • - Thank you.
  • 00:32:09.917 --> 00:32:11.319
  • You know, Reza, AmbassadorBrownback talked about
  • 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:12.920
  • that heavy price thatIranian believers are paying.
  • 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.491
  • Many are fleeing Iran sothey can worship freely.
  • 00:32:16.491 --> 00:32:19.894
  • Coming up, we'regoing to talk to one
  • 00:32:19.894 --> 00:32:21.295
  • who lives locally righthere in California.
  • 00:32:21.295 --> 00:32:22.997
  • Tell us a bit more about him
  • 00:32:22.997 --> 00:32:24.899
  • - Kambiz and his wifeboth were Muslims
  • 00:32:24.899 --> 00:32:29.203
  • in Iran and both of themaccepted Christ in Iran.
  • 00:32:29.203 --> 00:32:32.907
  • And at that timethere was a church,
  • 00:32:32.907 --> 00:32:35.410
  • one church in, allowed bythe government to operate.
  • 00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:39.113
  • And they were amember of that church.
  • 00:32:39.113 --> 00:32:40.615
  • But later they werepersecuted, their home group,
  • 00:32:40.615 --> 00:32:43.217
  • and they, actually,they applied for lottery
  • 00:32:43.217 --> 00:32:46.521
  • to get residency toAmerica and they won.
  • 00:32:47.622 --> 00:32:50.992
  • So God had a plan for them.
  • 00:32:50.992 --> 00:32:52.493
  • They came out here, becamemember of our church
  • 00:32:52.493 --> 00:32:54.996
  • and we're going to talkto Kambiz about it.
  • 00:32:54.996 --> 00:32:57.899
  • (uplifting music)
  • 00:32:57.899 --> 00:33:00.701
  • - Kambiz, thank you somuch for joining us.
  • 00:33:10.611 --> 00:33:12.713
  • You live here in California now
  • 00:33:12.713 --> 00:33:15.216
  • but you areoriginally from Iran.
  • 00:33:15.216 --> 00:33:18.219
  • You're a follower of Jesus.
  • 00:33:18.219 --> 00:33:19.821
  • Tell us why you leftIran and how you ended up
  • 00:33:19.821 --> 00:33:22.490
  • here in the United States.
  • 00:33:22.490 --> 00:33:24.192
  • - Oh, thank you very muchfor inviting me here.
  • 00:33:24.192 --> 00:33:27.495
  • Yeah, I was, I wasbelieving Jesus since 2001.
  • 00:33:27.495 --> 00:33:32.500
  • You know that in our country,we couldn't go to the church.
  • 00:33:34.001 --> 00:33:36.904
  • So we started with theunderground church.
  • 00:33:36.904 --> 00:33:39.407
  • Most of the believersare afraid of the regime.
  • 00:33:39.407 --> 00:33:43.511
  • - Kambiz, you and your wife,you were both Muslims, correct?
  • 00:33:43.511 --> 00:33:47.415
  • - Yeah, we born in Muslims.
  • 00:33:47.415 --> 00:33:49.016
  • - And somebody witnessedto you and what happened?
  • 00:33:49.016 --> 00:33:52.920
  • - I have a bunch offriends, so they talk to me.
  • 00:33:54.722 --> 00:33:58.192
  • First of all, we came
  • 00:33:59.794 --> 00:34:00.895
  • to the house andstarted with that.
  • 00:34:01.996 --> 00:34:05.199
  • - This was a housegroup, this was--
  • 00:34:05.199 --> 00:34:06.601
  • - Yeah, the house.
  • 00:34:06.601 --> 00:34:07.702
  • Yeah, it's a house group.
  • 00:34:07.702 --> 00:34:09.303
  • The man came to usand, you know that
  • 00:34:09.303 --> 00:34:12.507
  • you are coming tothe right place.
  • 00:34:12.507 --> 00:34:16.210
  • You can believe thatthe Jesus is your God.
  • 00:34:16.210 --> 00:34:19.814
  • So--
  • 00:34:19.814 --> 00:34:20.915
  • - And so you acceptedJesus that easy.
  • 00:34:20.915 --> 00:34:21.816
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:34:21.816 --> 00:34:23.317
  • - They just, the first meetingyou just accepted the Lord.
  • 00:34:23.317 --> 00:34:25.419
  • - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:34:25.419 --> 00:34:27.321
  • - Now, Kambiz, that had tobe an easy thing in a sense,
  • 00:34:27.321 --> 00:34:30.892
  • in that God moved on your heart
  • 00:34:30.892 --> 00:34:32.393
  • and brought you to your knees.
  • 00:34:32.393 --> 00:34:34.595
  • But on the other hand, look,
  • 00:34:34.595 --> 00:34:35.796
  • the threat of arrestof being tortured
  • 00:34:35.796 --> 00:34:38.900
  • of being even killedby the Iranian regime.
  • 00:34:38.900 --> 00:34:42.003
  • Did you kind of weigh that
  • 00:34:42.003 --> 00:34:43.704
  • before you gaveyour life to Jesus?
  • 00:34:43.704 --> 00:34:45.306
  • - Yeah, we know that.
  • 00:34:45.306 --> 00:34:46.707
  • And most of my family's againstthat, this, my situation.
  • 00:34:46.707 --> 00:34:51.312
  • So--
  • 00:34:53.014 --> 00:34:54.215
  • - The church in Iranis growing tremendously
  • 00:34:54.215 --> 00:34:57.518
  • but oftentimes you'remeeting in house churches,
  • 00:34:57.518 --> 00:35:00.021
  • as you described, you'remeeting underground.
  • 00:35:00.021 --> 00:35:03.090
  • You're always kind of staying,I guess, one step ahead
  • 00:35:03.090 --> 00:35:05.593
  • of the Iranian authorities andthe Islamic religious police.
  • 00:35:05.593 --> 00:35:10.097
  • - Yeah, of course, it's so hard.
  • 00:35:10.097 --> 00:35:11.899
  • - [Reza] And when youworship, would you worship
  • 00:35:11.899 --> 00:35:14.502
  • very quietly so theneighbors would not find out?
  • 00:35:14.502 --> 00:35:17.605
  • - [Kambiz] You know thatwe whispering the worship.
  • 00:35:17.605 --> 00:35:19.106
  • - [Reza] You couldn't--
  • 00:35:19.106 --> 00:35:20.208
  • - Yeah, we whisperingto worship.
  • 00:35:20.208 --> 00:35:21.809
  • Yeah, it couldn'tcome out from the wall
  • 00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:24.412
  • because you know thatthe wall can have an ear.
  • 00:35:24.412 --> 00:35:27.815
  • (laughing)
  • 00:35:27.815 --> 00:35:29.016
  • - And now you movedto America after what?
  • 00:35:29.016 --> 00:35:31.919
  • Five years ago youmoved to America?
  • 00:35:31.919 --> 00:35:34.422
  • - Almost, yeah, almostwas five years ago.
  • 00:35:34.422 --> 00:35:37.291
  • - And tell us about that.
  • 00:35:37.291 --> 00:35:38.492
  • Tell us how, what yousee the difference
  • 00:35:38.492 --> 00:35:40.895
  • between your lifehere as a believer
  • 00:35:42.096 --> 00:35:43.397
  • and your life inIran as a believer?
  • 00:35:43.397 --> 00:35:45.199
  • - We can dance, wecan talk, we can sing.
  • 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.103
  • Yeah, we can, everything aboutthe Jesus and we are free.
  • 00:35:49.103 --> 00:35:53.808
  • Yeah, it's more, mostimportant thing to every human.
  • 00:35:55.710 --> 00:35:59.914
  • - Yeah, and now youguys, Reza and Kambiz,
  • 00:35:59.914 --> 00:36:03.117
  • you guys know each other,have a relationship.
  • 00:36:03.117 --> 00:36:04.919
  • You're also based in California.
  • 00:36:04.919 --> 00:36:06.520
  • Tell us a bit moreabout how you two met.
  • 00:36:06.520 --> 00:36:08.122
  • - Well, I guess Kambiz, youfound out about "Nejat,"
  • 00:36:08.122 --> 00:36:11.292
  • you watched "Nejat" in Iran.
  • 00:36:11.292 --> 00:36:12.994
  • - Yeah, in, on thesatellite TBN Nejat.
  • 00:36:12.994 --> 00:36:16.497
  • Yeah, we follow you forthe most of the 10 years
  • 00:36:16.497 --> 00:36:21.502
  • and came to yourchurch in the Valley.
  • 00:36:22.603 --> 00:36:24.605
  • Yeah.
  • 00:36:24.605 --> 00:36:25.906
  • - And they have beencoming ever since.
  • 00:36:25.906 --> 00:36:26.807
  • And they're very faithful.
  • 00:36:26.807 --> 00:36:28.109
  • He and his wife,beautiful couple.
  • 00:36:28.109 --> 00:36:30.311
  • And I just love them to death.
  • 00:36:30.311 --> 00:36:32.013
  • They're just, every Sunday,every church service,
  • 00:36:32.013 --> 00:36:35.916
  • they're active and they'regrowing so much in the word.
  • 00:36:37.518 --> 00:36:40.321
  • - Kambiz, thank you somuch for joining us.
  • 00:36:40.321 --> 00:36:42.023
  • - God bless you.
  • 00:36:42.023 --> 00:36:43.090
  • - Thank you very much.
  • 00:36:43.090 --> 00:36:44.292
  • Thank you very muchto inviting me.
  • 00:36:44.292 --> 00:36:45.893
  • - Of course, of course.
  • 00:36:45.893 --> 00:36:47.094
  • Hey Reza, youknow, it's amazing.
  • 00:36:47.094 --> 00:36:49.597
  • You're doing all this hard work
  • 00:36:49.597 --> 00:36:51.399
  • at TBN Nejat andTBN Middle East.
  • 00:36:51.399 --> 00:36:54.902
  • Sometimes when you're workinghard, you might not know.
  • 00:36:54.902 --> 00:36:57.905
  • Wow, sometimes you say,"Am I reaching people?
  • 00:36:57.905 --> 00:37:00.308
  • Is this reallymaking a difference?"
  • 00:37:00.308 --> 00:37:02.009
  • There you go, my friend.- Absolutely.
  • 00:37:02.009 --> 00:37:03.411
  • - Kambiz's testimonyright there.
  • 00:37:03.411 --> 00:37:05.112
  • - [Reza] Yeah.
  • 00:37:05.112 --> 00:37:06.314
  • - You helped bringhim to the Lord.
  • 00:37:06.314 --> 00:37:07.715
  • It's an amazing testimony.
  • 00:37:07.715 --> 00:37:09.216
  • - [Reza] You know, I travelto other countries sometimes
  • 00:37:09.216 --> 00:37:11.118
  • and out in the streetpeople approach me and say,
  • 00:37:11.118 --> 00:37:13.421
  • "Hey, yeah I watched yourprogram 10 years ago,
  • 00:37:13.421 --> 00:37:16.190
  • five years ago, Iaccepted Christ.
  • 00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:18.092
  • And I got filledwith the Holy Ghost.
  • 00:37:18.092 --> 00:37:19.794
  • I got healed."
  • 00:37:19.794 --> 00:37:20.795
  • Just amazing what God does.
  • 00:37:20.795 --> 00:37:22.296
  • - [Erick] It is.
  • 00:37:22.296 --> 00:37:23.297
  • - [Reza] It's all God's grace.
  • 00:37:23.297 --> 00:37:24.398
  • - Yeah, and it's coming,Reza, in spite of,
  • 00:37:24.398 --> 00:37:26.200
  • again, the veryheavy opposition.
  • 00:37:26.200 --> 00:37:28.102
  • And as we shift gearsjust a bit here,
  • 00:37:28.102 --> 00:37:30.504
  • we want to talk moreabout the Iranian regime.
  • 00:37:30.504 --> 00:37:34.208
  • We've been talking so far about
  • 00:37:34.208 --> 00:37:35.509
  • the heavy pricethat believers pay
  • 00:37:35.509 --> 00:37:37.912
  • but what is the ideologythat drives this regime?
  • 00:37:37.912 --> 00:37:41.215
  • And even more importantly,for our audience, perhaps,
  • 00:37:41.215 --> 00:37:44.018
  • their drive for nuclear weapons.
  • 00:37:44.018 --> 00:37:47.221
  • We're going to talk rightnow to Richard Goldberg
  • 00:37:47.221 --> 00:37:49.590
  • from the foundation forthe Defense of Democracies.
  • 00:37:49.590 --> 00:37:52.093
  • He was the point man,before he worked at FTD,
  • 00:37:52.093 --> 00:37:54.895
  • for the National SecurityCouncil in countering
  • 00:37:54.895 --> 00:37:57.998
  • Iran's weapons of massdestruction program.
  • 00:37:57.998 --> 00:38:01.102
  • (upbeat music)
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  • Richard, thank you somuch for joining us.
  • 00:38:11.112 --> 00:38:13.013
  • So much to talk aboutwhen it comes to Iran and
  • 00:38:13.013 --> 00:38:15.316
  • its nuclear program, whichyou are a foremost expert on.
  • 00:38:15.316 --> 00:38:19.019
  • But hey, let's start onthe recent death of Iran's
  • 00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:22.490
  • top nuclear scientist,the man called
  • 00:38:22.490 --> 00:38:24.892
  • the father of the Iranian bomb,
  • 00:38:24.892 --> 00:38:26.894
  • Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, gunned down
  • 00:38:26.894 --> 00:38:29.797
  • in the streets of Iran recently.
  • 00:38:29.797 --> 00:38:32.099
  • How big was his death?
  • 00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:33.701
  • What are the implications of it?
  • 00:38:33.701 --> 00:38:35.703
  • - Well, it's a big dealon multiple levels.
  • 00:38:35.703 --> 00:38:37.905
  • First, for the nuclear program.
  • 00:38:37.905 --> 00:38:40.107
  • As you said, thisis the father of
  • 00:38:40.107 --> 00:38:41.809
  • their nuclear weapons program.
  • 00:38:41.809 --> 00:38:43.310
  • What we call the AMAD Plan.
  • 00:38:43.310 --> 00:38:45.312
  • We don't know muchabout how it ended,
  • 00:38:45.312 --> 00:38:47.515
  • how it was suspended, whatactivities have continued
  • 00:38:47.515 --> 00:38:51.218
  • all the way fromthe 2000s to today.
  • 00:38:51.218 --> 00:38:54.422
  • But we do know thatthis is the person
  • 00:38:54.422 --> 00:38:56.791
  • who has been at thetop of the pyramid.
  • 00:38:56.791 --> 00:38:59.293
  • He has continued to lead asecret military organization
  • 00:38:59.293 --> 00:39:03.097
  • that employs nuclearweapons scientists
  • 00:39:03.097 --> 00:39:05.900
  • and without him, and alsoremember the Israelis also
  • 00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:10.104
  • took out that big secretnuclear weapons archive
  • 00:39:10.104 --> 00:39:13.107
  • out of Iran back in 2018,there is a big brain drain
  • 00:39:13.107 --> 00:39:17.311
  • going on for theirnuclear weapons program.
  • 00:39:17.311 --> 00:39:20.014
  • And also, a big questionask, how did this happen?
  • 00:39:20.014 --> 00:39:23.818
  • This is a totallycontrolled repressive regime
  • 00:39:23.818 --> 00:39:26.420
  • with a huge security apparatus.
  • 00:39:26.420 --> 00:39:28.222
  • The fact that thisman at the top of
  • 00:39:28.222 --> 00:39:30.090
  • their nuclear weaponsprogram could be assassinated
  • 00:39:30.090 --> 00:39:32.793
  • inside Iran is a big, big dealand shows that there's a lot
  • 00:39:32.793 --> 00:39:36.397
  • of decay going on insidethe Iranian government.
  • 00:39:36.397 --> 00:39:38.799
  • - Yeah, Richard,that's a great point.
  • 00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:40.901
  • What a black eye for the regime.
  • 00:39:40.901 --> 00:39:42.102
  • And you think about 2020started with the death
  • 00:39:42.102 --> 00:39:44.605
  • of the terror kingpin,Qasem Soleimani.
  • 00:39:44.605 --> 00:39:47.608
  • Now Fakhrizadeh is taken out.
  • 00:39:47.608 --> 00:39:49.410
  • Very interesting.
  • 00:39:49.410 --> 00:39:50.611
  • Iran obviously isthreatening revenge
  • 00:39:50.611 --> 00:39:53.013
  • and pointing a finger at Israel.
  • 00:39:53.013 --> 00:39:55.716
  • Talk a bit about that.
  • 00:39:55.716 --> 00:39:57.117
  • And also, how is Iran violatingthat Iranian Nuclear Deal,
  • 00:39:57.117 --> 00:40:01.922
  • which was originallysigned in 2015.
  • 00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:04.492
  • The United States pulledout of it in 2018.
  • 00:40:04.492 --> 00:40:07.094
  • Can you tell us how they areblatantly violating that deal?
  • 00:40:07.094 --> 00:40:10.998
  • - Absolutely.
  • 00:40:10.998 --> 00:40:11.899
  • Well, first on the vows forrevenge coming out of Iran,
  • 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.803
  • we know that the Israelishave pursued assassinations
  • 00:40:15.803 --> 00:40:20.407
  • of nuclear weaponsscientists in the past.
  • 00:40:20.407 --> 00:40:22.610
  • We remember thatbefore the Iran deal.
  • 00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:25.212
  • This just happens to be themost high profile nature
  • 00:40:25.212 --> 00:40:28.716
  • that we've seen to date.
  • 00:40:28.716 --> 00:40:30.618
  • There has alreadybeen warnings issued
  • 00:40:30.618 --> 00:40:32.419
  • by the Israeli government.
  • 00:40:32.419 --> 00:40:33.721
  • Israeli scientistswho might be traveling
  • 00:40:33.721 --> 00:40:35.689
  • to watch themselves.
  • 00:40:35.689 --> 00:40:37.191
  • There's reports of Jewishcenters around the world
  • 00:40:37.191 --> 00:40:39.293
  • that have been told tostand on high alert.
  • 00:40:39.293 --> 00:40:41.896
  • We will be watchful there.
  • 00:40:41.896 --> 00:40:43.497
  • And we need to cometogether with our allies
  • 00:40:43.497 --> 00:40:45.599
  • to share intelligence,to prevent any sort
  • 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.002
  • of terrorist operationscoming from Iran.
  • 00:40:48.002 --> 00:40:50.504
  • But you're right,
  • 00:40:50.504 --> 00:40:51.906
  • the Iranians are violatingthat nuclear deal.
  • 00:40:51.906 --> 00:40:54.208
  • And the truth is they've beenviolating it from day one.
  • 00:40:54.208 --> 00:40:57.411
  • What's in the newstoday that we see
  • 00:40:57.411 --> 00:40:59.413
  • are the most obvious signals.
  • 00:40:59.413 --> 00:41:00.915
  • That is all thisenrichment you hear about,
  • 00:41:00.915 --> 00:41:03.417
  • the production offissile material,
  • 00:41:03.417 --> 00:41:05.619
  • that if enriched further,
  • 00:41:05.619 --> 00:41:07.721
  • could be used tobuild nuclear weapons,
  • 00:41:07.721 --> 00:41:10.391
  • but we also have the morefundamental violations.
  • 00:41:10.391 --> 00:41:13.994
  • The mistrust, the deceitcoming out of Iran,
  • 00:41:13.994 --> 00:41:17.197
  • the InternationalAtomic Energy Agency
  • 00:41:17.197 --> 00:41:19.400
  • is now telling usthey have evidence
  • 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.702
  • that Iran has been hidingundeclared nuclear sites,
  • 00:41:21.702 --> 00:41:25.005
  • activities, andmaterials from day one
  • 00:41:25.005 --> 00:41:27.908
  • of this nuclear agreement.
  • 00:41:27.908 --> 00:41:29.510
  • And Mohsen Fakhrizadeh,who we just talked about,
  • 00:41:29.510 --> 00:41:32.413
  • was on top of that foodpyramid of what could be
  • 00:41:32.413 --> 00:41:35.716
  • some ongoing secret nuclearweapons-related work.
  • 00:41:35.716 --> 00:41:39.420
  • So yes, they'reviolating the deal.
  • 00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:41.622
  • They're not justviolating the deal
  • 00:41:41.622 --> 00:41:42.890
  • because of Donald Trumpor because of sanctions.
  • 00:41:42.890 --> 00:41:44.892
  • They've been violating thedeal since day one of the deal.
  • 00:41:44.892 --> 00:41:48.295
  • - Yeah, Richard, we hear so much
  • 00:41:48.295 --> 00:41:49.797
  • about enrichinguranium centrifuges.
  • 00:41:49.797 --> 00:41:52.700
  • For the average personwatching at home,
  • 00:41:52.700 --> 00:41:54.902
  • break it down in layman'sterms, I guess you would say.
  • 00:41:54.902 --> 00:41:57.905
  • You were the point manon this issue, obviously,
  • 00:41:57.905 --> 00:42:00.007
  • at the NationalSecurity Council.
  • 00:42:00.007 --> 00:42:02.109
  • How close is Iran toacquiring the bomb
  • 00:42:02.109 --> 00:42:06.213
  • and how much enriched uraniumdo they have right now
  • 00:42:06.213 --> 00:42:08.816
  • in terms of being able
  • 00:42:08.816 --> 00:42:10.317
  • to make that nightmarescenario a reality?
  • 00:42:10.317 --> 00:42:13.420
  • - Yeah, it's a great question.
  • 00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:14.722
  • This is technical stuff,
  • 00:42:14.722 --> 00:42:16.190
  • and you try to break itdown as much as possible.
  • 00:42:16.190 --> 00:42:18.192
  • You remember when Israeli primeminister Benjamin Netanyahu
  • 00:42:18.192 --> 00:42:22.096
  • came to the UN famouslya few years ago
  • 00:42:22.096 --> 00:42:23.397
  • with that cartoon of thebomb and showed the line
  • 00:42:23.397 --> 00:42:27.201
  • of if Iran gets tothis much amount,
  • 00:42:27.201 --> 00:42:29.503
  • they'll be able tomake this bomb go boom.
  • 00:42:29.503 --> 00:42:32.306
  • And so there's a coupleof different pathways
  • 00:42:32.306 --> 00:42:34.708
  • for the Iranians to try todevelop nuclear weapons.
  • 00:42:34.708 --> 00:42:37.311
  • A plutonium pathwayand a uranium pathway.
  • 00:42:37.311 --> 00:42:40.414
  • We're talking in the news todayabout the uranium pathway.
  • 00:42:40.414 --> 00:42:43.317
  • And that is thisenrichment of uranium
  • 00:42:43.317 --> 00:42:46.320
  • to a quality that couldbe used to create a device
  • 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.391
  • that could explode.
  • 00:42:50.391 --> 00:42:51.992
  • And we think about,
  • 00:42:51.992 --> 00:42:53.494
  • I think everyone's familiarwith the nuclear weapon.
  • 00:42:53.494 --> 00:42:55.295
  • And so the question is,
  • 00:42:55.295 --> 00:42:56.497
  • how much do they needof that material?
  • 00:42:56.497 --> 00:42:59.099
  • If they were to keep enrichingit and enriching it further
  • 00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:02.302
  • to weapons grade,what it's called,
  • 00:43:02.302 --> 00:43:04.304
  • that it could be used tocreate a nuclear explosion.
  • 00:43:04.304 --> 00:43:07.207
  • How much do they need?
  • 00:43:07.207 --> 00:43:08.609
  • We believe theyalready have enough,
  • 00:43:08.609 --> 00:43:11.211
  • if they were to further enrich,
  • 00:43:11.211 --> 00:43:12.613
  • to at least make onebomb, perhaps more.
  • 00:43:12.613 --> 00:43:15.315
  • And then the question would be,
  • 00:43:15.315 --> 00:43:16.917
  • how do they want to make a bomb?
  • 00:43:16.917 --> 00:43:19.019
  • Do we think they would wait
  • 00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:20.621
  • until they would be able toput this on top of a missile
  • 00:43:20.621 --> 00:43:22.890
  • to send it toJerusalem or elsewhere?
  • 00:43:22.890 --> 00:43:25.893
  • Or would they just test inthe middle of the desert?
  • 00:43:25.893 --> 00:43:28.696
  • Would they want to just go boom,
  • 00:43:28.696 --> 00:43:30.097
  • like the North Koreans did
  • 00:43:30.097 --> 00:43:31.598
  • just to show theyhave the capability,
  • 00:43:31.598 --> 00:43:34.001
  • which is probably themore likely scenario,
  • 00:43:34.001 --> 00:43:36.503
  • which is what worries us
  • 00:43:36.503 --> 00:43:37.805
  • that they are that muchcloser to a detonation.
  • 00:43:37.805 --> 00:43:40.908
  • - Yeah, I want to ask you more
  • 00:43:40.908 --> 00:43:42.409
  • about a potential response fromAmerica and Israel to this,
  • 00:43:42.409 --> 00:43:46.013
  • Richard, but whatis the world doing?
  • 00:43:46.013 --> 00:43:49.016
  • We know the United Statesunder president Trump
  • 00:43:49.016 --> 00:43:50.617
  • obviously pulled out of thatIran Nuclear Deal in 2018.
  • 00:43:50.617 --> 00:43:54.221
  • What about the world?
  • 00:43:54.221 --> 00:43:55.622
  • The international community,Europe, Russia, China,
  • 00:43:55.622 --> 00:43:58.092
  • are they doing anythingto hold the Iranian regime
  • 00:43:58.092 --> 00:44:00.794
  • accountable for these clearviolations of that nuclear deal?
  • 00:44:00.794 --> 00:44:04.498
  • - They are not, unfortunately.
  • 00:44:06.700 --> 00:44:08.602
  • The Iran NuclearDeal, at its core,
  • 00:44:08.602 --> 00:44:11.405
  • was sort of an extortion racket
  • 00:44:11.405 --> 00:44:14.007
  • where you have this thug regime.
  • 00:44:14.007 --> 00:44:17.010
  • Think of the mob that's involved
  • 00:44:17.010 --> 00:44:18.812
  • in all kinds of malignactivities, illicit conduct,
  • 00:44:18.812 --> 00:44:21.615
  • terrorism and missilesand militias andall kinds of things.
  • 00:44:21.615 --> 00:44:25.619
  • Plus this nuclear program.
  • 00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:27.321
  • And they scare you withthe nuclear program.
  • 00:44:27.321 --> 00:44:29.590
  • "We could make a nuclear bomb.
  • 00:44:29.590 --> 00:44:31.391
  • "We, thisterrorist-sponsored regime
  • 00:44:31.391 --> 00:44:33.193
  • "could have a nuclear weapon.
  • 00:44:33.193 --> 00:44:34.194
  • "You better give us money."
  • 00:44:34.194 --> 00:44:36.096
  • And unfortunately, thatsort of racket works
  • 00:44:36.096 --> 00:44:38.298
  • in Europe and withmany in Washington.
  • 00:44:38.298 --> 00:44:40.601
  • And that's what thenuclear deal is.
  • 00:44:40.601 --> 00:44:41.902
  • You pay them to slowdown on enrichment,
  • 00:44:41.902 --> 00:44:44.805
  • but that money goes to feedterrorism and missiles.
  • 00:44:44.805 --> 00:44:47.908
  • - Richard, we knowthat Iran is marching
  • 00:44:47.908 --> 00:44:50.010
  • across the MiddleEast right now,
  • 00:44:50.010 --> 00:44:51.612
  • if not only on itsown, but through proxy
  • 00:44:51.612 --> 00:44:54.114
  • like Hezbollah, Hamas.
  • 00:44:54.114 --> 00:44:56.016
  • We know they are committed
  • 00:44:56.917 --> 00:44:58.318
  • to destroying thestate of Israel,
  • 00:44:58.318 --> 00:45:01.021
  • but why should everyAmerican watching right now
  • 00:45:01.021 --> 00:45:04.091
  • be concerned aboutthis Iranian regime
  • 00:45:04.091 --> 00:45:06.894
  • and that nuclear program?
  • 00:45:06.894 --> 00:45:08.195
  • I think sometimeshere in the States,
  • 00:45:08.195 --> 00:45:09.596
  • we have a tendency to say,
  • 00:45:09.596 --> 00:45:11.198
  • "Well, that's far away,thousands of miles away.
  • 00:45:11.198 --> 00:45:14.101
  • "It's a problem for Israeland for Saudi Arabia,
  • 00:45:14.101 --> 00:45:17.004
  • "but not for us."
  • 00:45:17.004 --> 00:45:18.405
  • You mentioned ballisticmissiles a bit earlier.
  • 00:45:18.405 --> 00:45:20.808
  • Why should Americans care aboutthis Iranian nuclear threat?
  • 00:45:20.808 --> 00:45:25.512
  • - Well, let's always keep inmind that there are two Satan's
  • 00:45:25.512 --> 00:45:28.315
  • according to the IslamicRepublic of Iran,
  • 00:45:28.315 --> 00:45:30.317
  • a little Satan a big Satan.
  • 00:45:30.317 --> 00:45:32.419
  • Israel is the little Satan.
  • 00:45:32.419 --> 00:45:34.421
  • Guess who the big Satan is?
  • 00:45:34.421 --> 00:45:35.923
  • The United States of America.
  • 00:45:35.923 --> 00:45:37.891
  • They have been at war with us
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  • in the way that theywage a war for 40 years.
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  • That has not stopped
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  • since the founding ofthe Islamic Republic.
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  • If you know somebody wholost a loved one in Iraq,
  • 00:45:46.300 --> 00:45:49.102
  • they probably weredied at the hands
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  • of the IslamicRevolutionary Guard Corps,
  • 00:45:51.305 --> 00:45:53.307
  • the Iranian paramilitaryterror organization
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  • that planted bombsthroughout Iraq
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  • to kill American soldiers.
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  • They are preparing, asyou just talked about,
  • 00:45:59.413 --> 00:46:01.415
  • ballistic missilesand cruise missiles
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  • that could hit USbases, US forces.
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  • We've seen us personnelkilled in Iraq
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  • over the last year and a half.
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  • And of course, they couldwipe out our allies,
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  • starting with theJewish state of Israel.
  • 00:46:12.192 --> 00:46:14.595
  • This is a threat to theUnited States at its core.
  • 00:46:14.595 --> 00:46:17.197
  • Israel is the canaryin the coal mine.
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  • And if we don't answer thecall when she is threatened,
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  • obviously, we're next.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:46:23.704 --> 00:46:25.305
  • There have beenreports, Richard, ofthe Ayatollah Khomeini,
  • 00:46:25.305 --> 00:46:27.708
  • the Supreme leader in Iran,
  • 00:46:27.708 --> 00:46:28.909
  • 81 years old, in poor health,
  • 00:46:28.909 --> 00:46:30.510
  • that may be he's kindof on his last legs.
  • 00:46:30.510 --> 00:46:33.213
  • Considering that,
  • 00:46:33.213 --> 00:46:34.414
  • and considering Iran'smarch towards the bomb,
  • 00:46:34.414 --> 00:46:37.017
  • it's radical, dangerousbehavior in the region,
  • 00:46:37.017 --> 00:46:40.220
  • how does America respond?
  • 00:46:40.220 --> 00:46:42.222
  • How does Israel respond?
  • 00:46:42.222 --> 00:46:43.690
  • I think of the United States,
  • 00:46:43.690 --> 00:46:45.292
  • both Democrat and Republicanadministrations have said,
  • 00:46:45.292 --> 00:46:48.095
  • "Hey, we will not allowIran to acquire the bomb."
  • 00:46:48.095 --> 00:46:52.599
  • If Iran is committed, which itseems like they certainly are
  • 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.802
  • to acquiring the world'smost dangerous weapons,
  • 00:46:55.802 --> 00:46:59.406
  • what are somepotential responses
  • 00:46:59.406 --> 00:47:01.408
  • from Israel and fromthe United States?
  • 00:47:01.408 --> 00:47:04.411
  • - Well, number one, if thepresident of United States,
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  • Republican or Democrat,says very clearly,
  • 00:47:06.914 --> 00:47:10.617
  • "We will never allow Iranto develop nuclear weapons
  • 00:47:10.617 --> 00:47:13.120
  • "and we will take militaryaction to prevent it."
  • 00:47:13.120 --> 00:47:16.189
  • Then we need that promise tobe made over and over again.
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  • And we need the Iraniansto believe that promise.
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  • I think they do believe thatan Israeli prime minister
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  • will keep that threat.
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  • I think that we'll seeunder president Biden
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  • if the Iranians believethat America would deliver
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  • on that threat.
  • 00:47:32.806 --> 00:47:34.308
  • But so long as that threatis credible and exists,
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  • the Iranians willnot go too far.
  • 00:47:36.710 --> 00:47:38.712
  • They fear Americanmilitary power,
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  • and that's when oursanctions have the ability
  • 00:47:41.214 --> 00:47:43.817
  • to influence behavior, todrain them of their resources,
  • 00:47:43.817 --> 00:47:46.820
  • to drain money away fromterrorism and missiles,
  • 00:47:46.820 --> 00:47:49.423
  • and to force behavioral change.
  • 00:47:49.423 --> 00:47:51.591
  • - Yeah, and Richard, youplayed such a key role
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  • in countering thisIranian threat.
  • 00:47:53.493 --> 00:47:55.595
  • Thank you for your excellentwork there and at FDD,
  • 00:47:55.595 --> 00:47:58.799
  • and excellent information today.
  • 00:47:58.799 --> 00:48:00.200
  • You made it very easyto understand, Richard.
  • 00:48:00.200 --> 00:48:02.302
  • Thanks. We'll seeyou again soon.
  • 00:48:02.302 --> 00:48:04.004
  • - Thank you.
  • 00:48:04.004 --> 00:48:05.505
  • - Yeah, Reza, excellentinformation fromRichard Goldberg.
  • 00:48:05.505 --> 00:48:08.008
  • Wow.
  • 00:48:08.008 --> 00:48:09.209
  • And again, a foremostexpert was the point man
  • 00:48:09.209 --> 00:48:11.111
  • at the National SecurityCouncil on this issue.
  • 00:48:11.111 --> 00:48:14.614
  • We talk so muchabout Iran and Israel
  • 00:48:14.614 --> 00:48:17.517
  • being at loggerheads, right?
  • 00:48:17.517 --> 00:48:18.919
  • And Iran is committedto Israel's destruction,
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  • as Richard justlaid out once again.
  • 00:48:21.521 --> 00:48:23.890
  • But the ironic thing isthat the Iranian church,
  • 00:48:23.890 --> 00:48:27.094
  • which we're talking about onthis episode is pro Israel.
  • 00:48:27.094 --> 00:48:31.298
  • On a recent episodeof "The Watchman Show"
  • 00:48:31.298 --> 00:48:33.100
  • right here on TBN,I spoke to a pastor
  • 00:48:33.100 --> 00:48:35.802
  • who works closely withthe Iranian church
  • 00:48:35.802 --> 00:48:38.205
  • who talked about that.
  • 00:48:38.205 --> 00:48:39.206
  • Let's take a look.
  • 00:48:39.206 --> 00:48:40.307
  • (calm music)
  • 00:48:40.307 --> 00:48:42.709
  • (inspiring music)
  • 00:48:47.014 --> 00:48:49.816
  • - One of the dynamicsof the distinctives
  • 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.122
  • of the Iranian church istheir love for Israel.
  • 00:48:55.122 --> 00:48:57.691
  • This is something that'ssurprised many people.
  • 00:48:57.691 --> 00:49:00.293
  • We've seen it.
  • 00:49:00.293 --> 00:49:01.695
  • They've even, Iranian refugeesthat have come to faith
  • 00:49:01.695 --> 00:49:03.397
  • have actually come to Israelto express their love.
  • 00:49:03.397 --> 00:49:05.799
  • I saw a video just a few nightsago about a small fellowship
  • 00:49:05.799 --> 00:49:09.903
  • in Iran that actually had, wassinging Hebrew worship songs
  • 00:49:09.903 --> 00:49:13.707
  • and had Davidic kind ofexpressions of worship
  • 00:49:13.707 --> 00:49:16.710
  • and everything in therein their house church.
  • 00:49:16.710 --> 00:49:19.012
  • - In Iran?
  • 00:49:19.012 --> 00:49:19.813
  • - In Iran.
  • 00:49:19.813 --> 00:49:21.014
  • I thought to myself,Oh my goodness.
  • 00:49:21.014 --> 00:49:22.516
  • So on one side you have, wewant the destruction of Israel.
  • 00:49:22.516 --> 00:49:23.917
  • But then the church has nowflipped the whole script
  • 00:49:23.917 --> 00:49:26.520
  • in Iran, and they'repraying for Israel.
  • 00:49:26.520 --> 00:49:29.022
  • They're expressingtheir worship.
  • 00:49:29.022 --> 00:49:29.990
  • They have a love for Israel.
  • 00:49:29.990 --> 00:49:31.491
  • They want to come visitthe land whenever they can.
  • 00:49:31.491 --> 00:49:32.692
  • When Iranian believersoften that are in exile,
  • 00:49:32.692 --> 00:49:34.995
  • often say this,"When can we come?
  • 00:49:34.995 --> 00:49:36.496
  • "When can we come?"
  • 00:49:36.496 --> 00:49:37.497
  • (upbeat music)
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  • - Reza, that was kindof shocking to me
  • 00:49:45.305 --> 00:49:47.007
  • because you seethe Iranian regime
  • 00:49:47.007 --> 00:49:48.608
  • as the world centerof anti-Israel andantisemitic activity,
  • 00:49:48.608 --> 00:49:53.613
  • but the Iranianchurch, pro-Israel,
  • 00:49:53.713 --> 00:49:56.016
  • what are your thoughts on that?
  • 00:49:56.016 --> 00:49:57.117
  • - You know, by God's grace,
  • 00:49:57.117 --> 00:49:59.920
  • when we started the broadcastTV and broadcast into Iran,
  • 00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:03.590
  • the Lord put in my heart,
  • 00:50:03.590 --> 00:50:05.092
  • teach about Old Testamentand the relationship
  • 00:50:05.092 --> 00:50:08.595
  • of Abraham and how importantIsrael is for God's plan.
  • 00:50:08.595 --> 00:50:13.200
  • And so I went systematically
  • 00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:15.402
  • through the Old Testament,lesson after lesson.
  • 00:50:15.402 --> 00:50:18.305
  • It took me 11chapters of Genesis,
  • 00:50:18.305 --> 00:50:20.807
  • I taught it for two years,
  • 00:50:20.807 --> 00:50:22.509
  • talking about howimportant Israel is;
  • 00:50:23.710 --> 00:50:26.513
  • and I'll tell you,people don't know
  • 00:50:26.513 --> 00:50:29.015
  • but majority of thebelievers in Iran
  • 00:50:29.015 --> 00:50:31.718
  • that are taught byTBN Nejat Television,
  • 00:50:31.718 --> 00:50:35.122
  • they're all strongly pro-Israel.
  • 00:50:35.122 --> 00:50:37.591
  • As a matter of fact, oneof their greatest wishes,
  • 00:50:37.591 --> 00:50:39.693
  • they all tell me, wanna goon a trip to Israel with me.
  • 00:50:39.693 --> 00:50:42.896
  • - Wow.
  • 00:50:42.896 --> 00:50:43.697
  • Reza, that is amazing.
  • 00:50:43.697 --> 00:50:45.198
  • And that is a story a lot ofpeople may be surprised to hear
  • 00:50:45.198 --> 00:50:48.101
  • but it makes sense becausethese people love the Lord.
  • 00:50:48.101 --> 00:50:50.604
  • They love his land.- Exactly.
  • 00:50:50.604 --> 00:50:51.705
  • - It makes perfect sense.
  • 00:50:51.705 --> 00:50:53.206
  • - You know, I always tellthem that everything we owe,
  • 00:50:53.206 --> 00:50:55.509
  • in regards to knowledge ofGod, we owe it to Israel.
  • 00:50:55.509 --> 00:50:58.912
  • Israel is the big brotherwho taught us who God is.
  • 00:50:58.912 --> 00:51:02.115
  • Without Israel, the worldwould be in absolute darkness;
  • 00:51:02.115 --> 00:51:04.918
  • without the law of Moses,
  • 00:51:04.918 --> 00:51:06.620
  • without the teaching and theburden, the price they paid
  • 00:51:06.620 --> 00:51:10.590
  • to show us who God is, thereal God, the true God.
  • 00:51:10.590 --> 00:51:14.094
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:51:14.094 --> 00:51:15.395
  • - 'Cause we didn'tknow who God was
  • 00:51:15.395 --> 00:51:16.196
  • till we (indistinct).
  • 00:51:16.196 --> 00:51:17.998
  • - Yeah, but now, thousands,
  • 00:51:17.998 --> 00:51:20.200
  • possibly even at least1 million Iranians
  • 00:51:20.200 --> 00:51:22.802
  • know the God of theBible, the God of Abraham,
  • 00:51:22.802 --> 00:51:25.405
  • Isaac, and Jacob.
  • 00:51:25.405 --> 00:51:26.406
  • Reza, final thoughts here.
  • 00:51:26.406 --> 00:51:29.109
  • What do you see going forward?
  • 00:51:29.109 --> 00:51:30.810
  • Iran in the past, obviously,was a land of the Bible;
  • 00:51:30.810 --> 00:51:34.915
  • going forward, it is thefastest growing church
  • 00:51:34.915 --> 00:51:37.817
  • in the world.
  • 00:51:37.817 --> 00:51:39.019
  • It seems like despiteall the radicalism
  • 00:51:39.019 --> 00:51:41.221
  • of the Iranian regime, goodthings lay on the horizon
  • 00:51:41.221 --> 00:51:44.991
  • for Iran and the church in Iran.
  • 00:51:44.991 --> 00:51:47.494
  • - You know, God always,
  • 00:51:47.494 --> 00:51:48.795
  • the Bible says lightcomes out of darkness.
  • 00:51:48.795 --> 00:51:53.300
  • And in the midst ofall this craziness
  • 00:51:53.300 --> 00:51:56.102
  • that that regime hasset their mind to do,
  • 00:51:56.102 --> 00:51:59.306
  • I believe God isgetting glory out of it,
  • 00:51:59.306 --> 00:52:01.808
  • by one hand showinghis righteousness,
  • 00:52:01.808 --> 00:52:06.213
  • millions of Iranianscoming to Christ,
  • 00:52:06.213 --> 00:52:08.815
  • by the other hand,judging that regime
  • 00:52:08.815 --> 00:52:12.018
  • that is so anti-everythingthat is true.
  • 00:52:12.018 --> 00:52:15.622
  • And so I believe it'sa very exciting day.
  • 00:52:15.622 --> 00:52:18.091
  • I mean, we're livingin an exciting day.
  • 00:52:18.091 --> 00:52:20.093
  • Can you imagine, Eric, Iranis the first Islamic nation
  • 00:52:20.093 --> 00:52:24.798
  • that is converting tothe Christian faith.
  • 00:52:24.798 --> 00:52:28.101
  • We lost nations beforeto Islam; Asia Minor,
  • 00:52:28.101 --> 00:52:32.606
  • which is Turkey now, usedto be a stomping ground
  • 00:52:32.606 --> 00:52:34.808
  • for the church.
  • 00:52:34.808 --> 00:52:36.109
  • But for the firsttime, after 1500 years
  • 00:52:36.109 --> 00:52:38.912
  • of the history of Islamicregime or Islamic ideology,
  • 00:52:38.912 --> 00:52:43.116
  • Iran is the first Islamicradical nations converting
  • 00:52:43.116 --> 00:52:46.419
  • to Christian faith.
  • 00:52:46.419 --> 00:52:47.921
  • That is a miracle; thatis some absolute miracle.
  • 00:52:47.921 --> 00:52:49.422
  • - Yeah, only God, and Reza,you mentioned earlier,
  • 00:52:49.422 --> 00:52:51.591
  • the prophetic role of Iran
  • 00:52:51.591 --> 00:52:53.393
  • and that God willset up his throne,
  • 00:52:53.393 --> 00:52:56.096
  • according to ProphetJeremiah, in Iran.
  • 00:52:56.096 --> 00:52:58.698
  • - He's making His point, man.
  • 00:52:58.698 --> 00:53:00.700
  • As you said, Iran isbecoming the spirit,
  • 00:53:00.700 --> 00:53:04.404
  • the very guy thatis the strongest
  • 00:53:04.404 --> 00:53:06.306
  • against the Bible,against the Bible faith,
  • 00:53:07.707 --> 00:53:09.809
  • the Iranian regime, Godis turning that nation
  • 00:53:09.809 --> 00:53:12.212
  • to become the evangelistof the Middle East
  • 00:53:12.212 --> 00:53:14.814
  • among the Muslim world.
  • 00:53:14.814 --> 00:53:15.715
  • Isn't that interesting?
  • 00:53:15.715 --> 00:53:16.516
  • - It's interesting.
  • 00:53:16.516 --> 00:53:17.317
  • - God is amazing.
  • 00:53:17.317 --> 00:53:18.418
  • - Yeah, he is.
  • 00:53:18.418 --> 00:53:19.319
  • And He is moving in a major way
  • 00:53:19.319 --> 00:53:21.021
  • in the country ofyour birth, Iran.
  • 00:53:21.021 --> 00:53:23.290
  • Reza, thank you somuch for your insight.
  • 00:53:23.290 --> 00:53:25.091
  • - Thank you.
  • 00:53:25.091 --> 00:53:26.593
  • - For your work with TBNNejat, with TBN Middle East.
  • 00:53:26.593 --> 00:53:28.795
  • We really appreciate it.
  • 00:53:28.795 --> 00:53:29.996
  • - And I have to saythis, Eric, that TBN,
  • 00:53:29.996 --> 00:53:32.299
  • what a tremendous role hasplayed in these last days
  • 00:53:32.299 --> 00:53:37.304
  • for the revival inthe Middle East.
  • 00:53:38.405 --> 00:53:39.906
  • You know, Dr. Crouch saw thisand when he asked me to come
  • 00:53:39.906 --> 00:53:43.610
  • and move out here,and Matthew saw
  • 00:53:43.610 --> 00:53:47.614
  • that TBN has a tremendous rolein this move of God in Iran.
  • 00:53:47.614 --> 00:53:52.619
  • - Yeah, combining yourvision and the vision of TBN
  • 00:53:54.020 --> 00:53:55.422
  • has been quite acombination, Reza.
  • 00:53:55.422 --> 00:53:56.890
  • Keep it up.
  • 00:53:56.890 --> 00:53:57.691
  • - Praise God.
  • 00:53:57.691 --> 00:53:58.992
  • - Yeah, we'll seeyou again soon.
  • 00:53:58.992 --> 00:54:00.393
  • And thank you so much forjoining us for this TBN special
  • 00:54:00.393 --> 00:54:03.096
  • on The Rise of the IranianChurch, Light in the Darkness.
  • 00:54:03.096 --> 00:54:06.399
  • We'll see you again soon.
  • 00:54:06.399 --> 00:54:07.400
  • God bless you.
  • 00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:08.601
  • (upbeat music)
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