The Leon Show | TBN

The Leon Show

Watch The Leon Show
June 8, 2016
28:32

The Leon Show, Guest Eileen Wilder "Eating Disorders and the Power to Overcome"

Closed captions

The Leon Show

Show timecode
Hide timecode
  • [cc]
  • 00:00:00.190 --> 00:00:10.240
  • -LEON FONTAINE: Today's guest found freedom from anxiety,
  • 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.110
  • depression and eating disorders. Do not miss this interview!
  • 00:00:13.120 --> 00:00:17.200
  • - Eileen Wilder struggled with eating disorders for many years.
  • 00:00:20.010 --> 00:00:23.130
  • Through God's grace, Eileen began to change her thinking and
  • 00:00:23.140 --> 00:00:27.240
  • saw lasting results, gaining confidence, a positive attitude
  • 00:00:27.250 --> 00:00:31.150
  • and a healthy body weight. Now Eileen helps women struggling
  • 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:36.020
  • with the same issues of anxiety, depression and self-hate through
  • 00:00:36.030 --> 00:00:40.160
  • her blog, online course and book, 'The Brave Body Method.'
  • 00:00:40.170 --> 00:00:45.050
  • Eileen firmly believes that confidence is a byproduct of
  • 00:00:45.060 --> 00:00:49.050
  • immersing yourself in the grace of God. Please welcome Life
  • 00:00:49.060 --> 00:00:53.290
  • Coach and Author, Eileen Wilder. Hey, welcome, Eileen! It's so
  • 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:58.260
  • good to have you here. 'The Brave Body Method.' Why did you
  • 00:00:58.270 --> 00:01:04.190
  • write a book on this?
  • 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:06.100
  • -EILEEN WILDER: Well, I grew up in a home where they told me God
  • 00:01:06.110 --> 00:01:10.030
  • loved me and it was very loving, but somehow I could not figure
  • 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.170
  • out how to get that from my head into my heart. And in College, I
  • 00:01:14.180 --> 00:01:18.110
  • fell into a season of eating disorders and just really
  • 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.260
  • struggled with my body image and then I gained 35 pounds, and I
  • 00:01:21.270 --> 00:01:28.020
  • just one day looked in the mirror and was just, I was
  • 00:01:28.030 --> 00:01:31.110
  • actually so frustrated at myself. I just hit my forehead
  • 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.170
  • over and over and over on that mirror, just 'cause I hated what
  • 00:01:34.180 --> 00:01:37.230
  • I saw when I looked there.
  • 00:01:37.240 --> 00:01:39.180
  • -LEON: You were telling me in the Green Room that literally,
  • 00:01:39.190 --> 00:01:41.250
  • bulimia, anorexia and the doctors said that you were
  • 00:01:41.260 --> 00:01:46.110
  • destroying your health.
  • 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:47.200
  • -EILEEN: Yes, a doctor looked at me one day and said, "Eileen,
  • 00:01:47.210 --> 00:01:51.200
  • if you don't start to become well, you will never be able to
  • 00:01:51.210 --> 00:01:55.160
  • become pregnant." And that is when I said, "I have got to
  • 00:01:55.170 --> 00:01:59.240
  • change something. I've got to rework what my life, I have to."
  • 00:01:59.250 --> 00:02:04.120
  • Because now this isn't about looks; now this is about legacy.
  • 00:02:04.130 --> 00:02:07.070
  • -LEON: That's true. Now, when you talk about anorexia and
  • 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:10.190
  • bulimia, I know just quickly, what's kind of the difference
  • 00:02:10.200 --> 00:02:14.010
  • for those who aren't aware of it?
  • 00:02:14.020 --> 00:02:16.010
  • -EILEEN: Well, anorexia is when you are through restriction are
  • 00:02:16.020 --> 00:02:19.000
  • under-eating and so your body falls below your natural body
  • 00:02:19.010 --> 00:02:22.060
  • weight, and the ramifications inside your body can result in
  • 00:02:22.070 --> 00:02:26.020
  • not being able to become pregnant, for you often lose
  • 00:02:26.030 --> 00:02:30.190
  • your period when you have or are in anorexia; and then on the
  • 00:02:30.200 --> 00:02:33.200
  • other side of the spectrum is bulimia where through binging
  • 00:02:33.210 --> 00:02:36.270
  • and through purging, you are eradicating food from your body.
  • 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.200
  • -LEON: So can you be both at the same time?
  • 00:02:40.210 --> 00:02:43.010
  • -EILEEN: No. Well, yeah. I think you could be both at the
  • 00:02:43.020 --> 00:02:45.260
  • same time. I in my story was not. I went from one end of the
  • 00:02:45.270 --> 00:02:49.250
  • spectrum to the other. But I think many people are in some
  • 00:02:49.260 --> 00:02:56.180
  • point in the spectrum, because just any type of disordered
  • 00:02:56.190 --> 00:03:00.020
  • eating is not God's best for our life, and 97 percent of women
  • 00:03:00.030 --> 00:03:05.020
  • actually have this thought each day which is, "I hate my body."
  • 00:03:05.030 --> 00:03:08.290
  • -LEON: So every day, at least once.
  • 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:11.200
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, every day at least once, 97 percent of the
  • 00:03:11.210 --> 00:03:13.240
  • women are thinking to themselves, "I hate my body." So
  • 00:03:13.250 --> 00:03:15.240
  • that's going to have outworking and problems in our relationship
  • 00:03:15.250 --> 00:03:19.170
  • with food, how many think like that.
  • 00:03:19.180 --> 00:03:21.260
  • -LEON: So when it comes to anorexia, you're taking in so
  • 00:03:21.270 --> 00:03:24.270
  • little there's no calorie, there's no vitamin, that your
  • 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.180
  • body has got nothing to build with.
  • 00:03:27.190 --> 00:03:29.180
  • -EILEEN: Oh, it absolutely and it starts, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
  • 00:03:29.190 --> 00:03:32.200
  • -LEON: So you're a Christian, had a good family, yet something
  • 00:03:32.210 --> 00:03:35.260
  • was making you do this. Tell me about the enemy. I found that
  • 00:03:35.270 --> 00:03:40.140
  • interesting in the Green Room. You were saying, "I didn't know
  • 00:03:40.150 --> 00:03:45.050
  • that I had an enemy that could mess with my head."
  • 00:03:45.060 --> 00:03:47.140
  • -EILEEN: Right. I grew up in church but for some reason, no
  • 00:03:47.150 --> 00:03:50.230
  • one ever disclosed to me or I never read it myself in the
  • 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:54.110
  • Bible, John 10:10, about how the enemy comes to steal and to kill
  • 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.140
  • and to destroy. And when I was 21, I started going to a great
  • 00:03:58.150 --> 00:04:02.210
  • local church and someone, my Pastor told me, "Eileen, there
  • 00:04:02.220 --> 00:04:07.050
  • is someone who is against you, he does not want you to find out
  • 00:04:07.060 --> 00:04:11.070
  • who you really are, he does not want you to fulfill your
  • 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.170
  • potential, and he will start to implant lies and give you
  • 00:04:13.180 --> 00:04:16.240
  • negative self-talk so that you will never start to really
  • 00:04:16.250 --> 00:04:19.250
  • discover who you are in Christ." And I had never heard that
  • 00:04:19.260 --> 00:04:24.030
  • before.
  • 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:25.110
  • -LEON: I think that, I remember one time a speaker saying that.
  • 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.200
  • He was talking too about the exact same thing, but this
  • 00:04:28.210 --> 00:04:31.260
  • really good family had a young man and they got a phone call
  • 00:04:31.270 --> 00:04:35.040
  • one night that he had literally I think broken like three or
  • 00:04:35.050 --> 00:04:37.260
  • four laws, every one of them felonies, in one night. Come
  • 00:04:37.270 --> 00:04:40.170
  • down to the police station. And when they went to see this
  • 00:04:40.180 --> 00:04:45.080
  • traveling evangelist, they couldn't understand why he would
  • 00:04:45.090 --> 00:04:48.170
  • even do this. And the more he talked to them, the only thing
  • 00:04:48.180 --> 00:04:51.030
  • he could think of was, "Have you ever told him there's an enemy
  • 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.100
  • to be aware of his tricks?" And they had never taught him
  • 00:04:54.110 --> 00:04:58.190
  • either. So I think that sometimes trying to be so
  • 00:04:58.200 --> 00:05:01.180
  • positive in the church, wow! The devil with a pitchfork and a
  • 00:05:01.190 --> 00:05:04.130
  • little red suit, but he's real and he's going to attack the
  • 00:05:04.140 --> 00:05:08.140
  • minds of our families and our kids.
  • 00:05:08.150 --> 00:05:10.230
  • -EILEEN: Absolutely, and he really wants you to turn on
  • 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.110
  • yourself. I would wake up in the morning and just be, my mind
  • 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.100
  • would be filled with thoughts of, "You're no good. You're not
  • 00:05:17.110 --> 00:05:20.030
  • going to go anywhere. Who do you think you are? You're so ugly."
  • 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.280
  • And this broken record many times can play inside of our
  • 00:05:22.290 --> 00:05:25.260
  • subconscious and we don't even realize it, and so we have to
  • 00:05:25.270 --> 00:05:29.170
  • stop and think about what we're thinking about.
  • 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:32.140
  • -LEON: Wow! So that was normal for you. Just every morning and
  • 00:05:32.150 --> 00:05:37.060
  • so you thought that was maybe normal or what?
  • 00:05:37.070 --> 00:05:39.060
  • -EILEEN: I thought that was the way who I was and the way that I
  • 00:05:39.070 --> 00:05:42.220
  • was made, and so I expected no different. I expected my life to
  • 00:05:42.230 --> 00:05:46.180
  • take that type of trajectory and that I really felt like I was
  • 00:05:46.190 --> 00:05:50.170
  • like a lost case.
  • 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:51.250
  • -LEON: So when the doctor gave you this diagnosis, okay? If you
  • 00:05:51.260 --> 00:05:57.170
  • don't deal with this, you'll never have children. Is that
  • 00:05:57.180 --> 00:06:00.170
  • what kind of made you look for help?
  • 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:02.170
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, it woke me up. It's like a splash of water in
  • 00:06:02.180 --> 00:06:07.130
  • my face where I went, "I just need to pivot, I need to do
  • 00:06:07.140 --> 00:06:11.190
  • something different." So I just became obsessed with wellness
  • 00:06:11.200 --> 00:06:15.020
  • and I just read book after book and listened to teaching after
  • 00:06:15.030 --> 00:06:18.000
  • teaching, and really studied a lot about the area of the mind
  • 00:06:18.010 --> 00:06:21.290
  • and found I had never read Proverbs 23:7, "As a man thinks
  • 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.090
  • in his heart, so is he." So I found that in Hebrews it says,
  • 00:06:26.100 --> 00:06:31.020
  • "As a man is all along in his heart, so he is at last in his
  • 00:06:31.030 --> 00:06:35.050
  • actions." So if I wanted my actions to changed, I needed to
  • 00:06:35.060 --> 00:06:39.230
  • begin and I needed to begin in my mind.
  • 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.280
  • -LEON: So what did you do? Can you fill us in? Like what did
  • 00:06:41.290 --> 00:06:44.220
  • you, what was the new regimen? Because you had to have a new
  • 00:06:44.230 --> 00:06:46.240
  • regimen. How did you get this train of thinking derailed?
  • 00:06:46.250 --> 00:06:52.070
  • -EILEEN: Yeah. Well, I break it down into four steps and the
  • 00:06:52.080 --> 00:06:56.020
  • first one I did, it spells K-I-S-S and the first one is,
  • 00:06:56.030 --> 00:07:00.020
  • 'Know You're Hot.' So I would wake up every day and I would
  • 00:07:00.030 --> 00:07:03.150
  • meditate in who God said that I was, because I found I had to
  • 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:07.210
  • over-identify now with the picture that God had for me, and
  • 00:07:07.220 --> 00:07:11.230
  • I had to start under-identifying with the picture of failure that
  • 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.260
  • I had been rehearsing.
  • 00:07:14.270 --> 00:07:16.030
  • -LEON: Because what's going on in your head is you're ugly,
  • 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:17.260
  • you're overweight, you're a loser, no one loves. This was
  • 00:07:17.270 --> 00:07:20.060
  • bombarding you, so you went the opposite.
  • 00:07:20.070 --> 00:07:22.120
  • -EILEEN: So now I've got to go the other direction. I've got to
  • 00:07:22.130 --> 00:07:24.120
  • go Ephesians 2:10 that, "I am God's masterpiece." So I would
  • 00:07:24.130 --> 00:07:28.160
  • start to meditate in these thoughts that I am beautiful. "I
  • 00:07:28.170 --> 00:07:31.040
  • am prosperous," it says in Isaiah. So I would start to just
  • 00:07:31.050 --> 00:07:36.120
  • rehearse those ideas and then I would speak them out loud. That
  • 00:07:36.130 --> 00:07:39.120
  • was my second step. I would find that speaking out loud the Word
  • 00:07:39.130 --> 00:07:43.140
  • of God would get my mind going in the direction that it needed
  • 00:07:43.150 --> 00:07:47.000
  • to be.
  • 00:07:47.010 --> 00:07:48.000
  • -LEON: Was that easy to do at first?
  • 00:07:48.010 --> 00:07:50.000
  • -EILEEN: No! I felt like a crazy person.
  • 00:07:50.010 --> 00:07:52.000
  • -LEON: Everyone says that. Confessing the Word is so hard
  • 00:07:52.010 --> 00:07:54.000
  • for them.
  • 00:07:54.010 --> 00:07:55.080
  • -EILEEN: Right, I did because it starts to feel, you feel like
  • 00:07:55.090 --> 00:07:57.000
  • you're being fake but really, it's the real you! So you're
  • 00:07:57.010 --> 00:07:59.270
  • just rehearsing truth to yourself who you really are. But
  • 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:02.220
  • at first, it took me a little while but now, now!
  • 00:08:02.230 --> 00:08:04.270
  • -LEON: You still do this. You can't ever stop speaking what
  • 00:08:04.280 --> 00:08:09.000
  • God, the truth of God's Word.
  • 00:08:09.010 --> 00:08:10.110
  • -EILEEN: I believe that. You become addicted to it because
  • 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.000
  • you see how powerful it is and how speaking God's Word brings
  • 00:08:13.010 --> 00:08:17.150
  • results. So you never want to stop.
  • 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:21.010
  • -LEON: They say, I was reading an article that, "You think
  • 00:08:21.020 --> 00:08:25.150
  • thinking is you asking yourself questions and then answering
  • 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.150
  • them." So, am I beautiful? No. Am I? So, and it goes at 1.300
  • 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:33.240
  • words a minute, which we speak at 150 words a minute. So it's
  • 00:08:33.250 --> 00:08:37.250
  • just, prrht! It goes so fast, and you're dead on the money,
  • 00:08:37.260 --> 00:08:42.000
  • only the Word of God is so powerful, so full of life to
  • 00:08:42.010 --> 00:08:45.250
  • interrupt this flow. They say it goes on all night, that's why we
  • 00:08:45.260 --> 00:08:49.140
  • wake up exhausted. Isn't that something? So you started to
  • 00:08:49.150 --> 00:08:52.230
  • confess the Word and that began to change things.
  • 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.280
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, and then another thing I did that which was a
  • 00:08:55.290 --> 00:09:00.060
  • third step, which was called, 'See the God Painting.' I
  • 00:09:00.070 --> 00:09:03.220
  • started really allowing the Holy Spirit to implant and paint a
  • 00:09:03.230 --> 00:09:07.100
  • picture for me of what my future was in His eyes. And I saw that,
  • 00:09:07.110 --> 00:09:13.030
  • "Without vision, the people perish." So I started really
  • 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:15.250
  • studying a lot about visualization and meditating on
  • 00:09:15.260 --> 00:09:20.120
  • the Word and allowing Him to give me even like a picture of
  • 00:09:20.130 --> 00:09:23.170
  • who He saw I was, so that was another huge step for me.
  • 00:09:23.180 --> 00:09:27.040
  • -LEON: Did you run into any Christians who said that
  • 00:09:27.050 --> 00:09:29.100
  • visualization, Christians shouldn't be doing it because
  • 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:32.010
  • it's more New Age.
  • 00:09:32.020 --> 00:09:34.200
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, but really it was actually God's idea. It's
  • 00:09:34.210 --> 00:09:39.070
  • really the Bible says, "The language of the Holy Spirit is
  • 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.200
  • dreams and visions." So this isn't, there may be distorted
  • 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:46.270
  • elements that other people have spoken, but really the origin is
  • 00:09:46.280 --> 00:09:50.160
  • found in the Bible.
  • 00:09:50.170 --> 00:09:51.230
  • -LEON: I totally, that's a great way of putting it. It is
  • 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:54.190
  • in the Bible because meditation, like if you're going to renew
  • 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.250
  • your mind, your imagination is a part of your mind so you
  • 00:09:57.260 --> 00:10:01.040
  • probably need to renew that too.
  • 00:10:01.050 --> 00:10:03.150
  • -EILEEN: That's right, that's right, yes.
  • 00:10:03.160 --> 00:10:04.230
  • -LEON: Let's take a break right here, and then when we come back
  • 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.150
  • I want to hear more as to, of this journey, because you've got
  • 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:09.230
  • it in the book and we're not going to get through the whole
  • 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.230
  • book but I think we're going to get through enough to make
  • 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.230
  • people realize they need it. My guest today, Eileen Wilder, and
  • 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:17.050
  • we're from this book, 'The Brave Body Method.' We're going to be
  • 00:10:17.060 --> 00:10:20.130
  • unpacking a little bit more. We'll be right back.
  • 00:10:20.140 --> 00:10:23.050
  • -EILEEN: In order for us to walk like and act like the
  • 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:30.060
  • masterpiece God says we are, it actually takes great courage and
  • 00:10:30.070 --> 00:10:33.240
  • bravery.
  • 00:10:33.250 --> 00:10:35.010
  • -ANNOUNCER: We believe Jesus Christ came to give every person
  • 00:10:37.090 --> 00:10:39.250
  • on this planet a chance to live with power, passion and purpose.
  • 00:10:39.260 --> 00:10:43.230
  • Through award-winning world-class TV programs like
  • 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:47.060
  • this and life-giving resources in Spanish, French, Italian,
  • 00:10:47.070 --> 00:10:51.020
  • Russian and Hindi, Spirit Contemporary is changing lives
  • 00:10:51.030 --> 00:10:54.250
  • around the world. Considerable expenses are involved but each
  • 00:10:54.260 --> 00:10:58.100
  • person reached is absolutely worth the cost. People are
  • 00:10:58.110 --> 00:11:02.100
  • saved, their faith revived, eternities transformed, all
  • 00:11:02.110 --> 00:11:06.210
  • because of your support. With your donation today, you will
  • 00:11:06.220 --> 00:11:09.210
  • receive today's special resource.
  • 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:12.040
  • -ANNOUNCER: Get social with Leon Fontaine. Follow him on
  • 00:11:18.100 --> 00:11:20.130
  • Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and YouTube. With instant access
  • 00:11:20.140 --> 00:11:25.060
  • through any mobile device, you can stay up-to-date with the
  • 00:11:25.070 --> 00:11:27.220
  • latest news, comment on your favorite episodes and watch
  • 00:11:27.230 --> 00:11:30.240
  • insider sneak peeks. Bonus videos, inspirational posts and
  • 00:11:30.250 --> 00:11:34.030
  • practical teaching are just clicks away. Spirit
  • 00:11:34.040 --> 00:11:37.190
  • Contemporary. Social media. Get social with Leon Fontaine.
  • 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.280
  • -LEON: Welcome back. My guest today is Eileen Wilder and we're
  • 00:14:10.070 --> 00:14:12.250
  • talking about, 'The Brave Body Method.' Why do you call it
  • 00:14:12.260 --> 00:14:16.110
  • 'brave'?
  • 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:17.230
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, I think I call it brave because in order for us
  • 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.150
  • to walk like and act like the masterpiece God says we are, it
  • 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:24.240
  • actually takes great courage and bravery.
  • 00:14:24.250 --> 00:14:27.230
  • -LEON: Very true. When you found yourself, you when finally
  • 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.130
  • realized, I'm not even going to have kids unless I change my
  • 00:14:31.140 --> 00:14:34.020
  • life, you can. I still know a lot of people who get, because I
  • 00:14:34.030 --> 00:14:38.130
  • know a ton of guys who say, "Well, if you don't change, if
  • 00:14:38.140 --> 00:14:40.190
  • you don't lose weight, if you don't you're going to have all
  • 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.190
  • these problems." And still a lot of people don't change, but you
  • 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:46.180
  • did. Because you need courage, you need to be brave.
  • 00:14:46.190 --> 00:14:50.220
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, and I found I had to work through a lot of
  • 00:14:50.230 --> 00:14:53.160
  • fear and a lot of--
  • 00:14:53.170 --> 00:14:55.080
  • -LEON: How did you do that?
  • 00:14:55.090 --> 00:14:57.020
  • -EILEEN: It was very step by step for me. Little, little
  • 00:14:57.030 --> 00:15:00.070
  • steps. Just even talking to other people was a huge step for
  • 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:06.170
  • me, being naturally shy and very fearful, so I was just working
  • 00:15:06.180 --> 00:15:12.090
  • out my faith to step-by-step acting like and really
  • 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:17.110
  • believing, "I am who God says I am so I can do what God says I
  • 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:21.250
  • can do." So every day I'm going to wake up and I'm going to do
  • 00:15:21.260 --> 00:15:24.210
  • the best I can in that direction.
  • 00:15:24.220 --> 00:15:26.210
  • -LEON: What's interesting about being a believer is that the
  • 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:30.210
  • Bible has this kind of dichotomy, these two areas. One
  • 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:33.150
  • is, if you do it with the arm of flesh you're doing it on your
  • 00:15:33.160 --> 00:15:36.160
  • own strength. But if you do it with the empowerment of the Holy
  • 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:41.170
  • Spirit, then it's His strength and it's everything we need
  • 00:15:41.180 --> 00:15:45.230
  • we've already got when we give our lives to Him. Is that or did
  • 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.250
  • you have to make that switch from doing it on your own
  • 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:51.210
  • strength, your own, to where Holy Spirit was there for you?
  • 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:54.180
  • -EILEEN: Oh, my gosh! Yes, I did. I remember this one
  • 00:15:54.190 --> 00:15:57.220
  • incident when I was actually 65 pounds overweight. This is after
  • 00:15:57.230 --> 00:16:01.040
  • my second child. Yes, oh no, 65 pounds overweight and I was in a
  • 00:16:01.050 --> 00:16:06.250
  • cafe and a man said to me, "Excuse me, could you move your
  • 00:16:06.260 --> 00:16:11.280
  • behind?" And I turned around to him and I said, "Excuse me!" And
  • 00:16:11.290 --> 00:16:16.090
  • sure enough, my behind was in this man's way? It was impeding
  • 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:23.120
  • him getting to his table, and he interrupted in laughter and I
  • 00:16:23.130 --> 00:16:27.260
  • interrupted in laughter and that was when I really knew, "Wow,
  • 00:16:27.270 --> 00:16:30.150
  • God. You've really done a work in me to be able to, to laugh
  • 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:35.080
  • about my behind being in this man's way." But one of the great
  • 00:16:35.090 --> 00:16:40.260
  • lessons I got from that was: We have to get our big behinds out
  • 00:16:40.270 --> 00:16:45.060
  • of the way. We have to get our past, we have to get all the
  • 00:16:45.070 --> 00:16:48.200
  • struggle and all the self-effort and all the relying on ourselves
  • 00:16:48.210 --> 00:16:52.100
  • out of the way and pivot over to the Word to allow His grace to
  • 00:16:52.110 --> 00:16:57.090
  • be the powerhouse or the thing doing the work inside of us.
  • 00:16:57.100 --> 00:17:01.100
  • -LEON: Yes, that is so true. And you're married, right? So
  • 00:17:01.110 --> 00:17:05.260
  • your husband, regardless of your weight fluctuations with
  • 00:17:05.270 --> 00:17:09.170
  • pregnancy or whatever, you've probably never seen in his eyes
  • 00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:13.150
  • him love you any less or think you're any less beautiful. And
  • 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:17.090
  • if a man can do that, then God is totally in love with us
  • 00:17:17.100 --> 00:17:21.140
  • regardless.
  • 00:17:21.150 --> 00:17:22.140
  • -EILEEN: That is so true!
  • 00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:23.210
  • -LEON: Did it help you, like your husband and having and
  • 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:25.210
  • recognizing that?
  • 00:17:25.220 --> 00:17:26.290
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, recognizing that and then through the eyes of my
  • 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.030
  • husband and feeling that same love that God loved me even in
  • 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:33.050
  • this massively overweight moment that I was having in the cafe.
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:39.000
  • But God's love casts out all fear so you never feel like you
  • 00:17:39.010 --> 00:17:44.080
  • have to become a certain look or a certain weight to impress God.
  • 00:17:44.090 --> 00:17:48.210
  • He's just there for us, but at the same time if we want to
  • 00:17:48.220 --> 00:17:51.150
  • become well, if we want to become healthier, His power is
  • 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:54.060
  • there to also help us.
  • 00:17:54.070 --> 00:17:55.250
  • -LEON: So true, that is so true. When you look at losing
  • 00:17:55.260 --> 00:17:58.150
  • weight, before we even jump in to how you did it, you've gone
  • 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:02.250
  • to the most root cause. If you want to change the fruit in your
  • 00:18:02.260 --> 00:18:07.160
  • life, you've got to change the root in your life, and for you
  • 00:18:07.170 --> 00:18:11.050
  • it had to do with the mind, it had to do with your thinking and
  • 00:18:11.060 --> 00:18:13.290
  • beliefs. And I think that's where a lot of people make the
  • 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.290
  • mistake, so if they get a hold of your book do you take them
  • 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.130
  • through that, those steps first? -EILEEN: Yes, I do. It starts
  • 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:22.160
  • with the mind so that first step is, "Know You're Hot." So this
  • 00:18:22.170 --> 00:18:25.130
  • is all about the power of your mind, about being transformed by
  • 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:30.010
  • the renewing of your mind. So yes, I take them through those
  • 00:18:30.020 --> 00:18:32.280
  • four steps. They're not hard and they're not complex, but they're
  • 00:18:32.290 --> 00:18:36.180
  • simple and powerful in my experience.
  • 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:40.270
  • -LEON: Now, what did? So you went through, you dealt with
  • 00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:43.090
  • your own mind, you dealt with how you're thinking. Was it you
  • 00:18:43.100 --> 00:18:49.000
  • that said 'whispers'? There's a line you said about whispering.
  • 00:18:49.010 --> 00:18:52.100
  • Tell me what that was.
  • 00:18:52.110 --> 00:18:54.180
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, the weapons are our whispers and this is all
  • 00:18:54.190 --> 00:18:57.220
  • about the power of speaking God's Word out of our mouth.
  • 00:18:57.230 --> 00:19:01.160
  • It's our second step in the book where it says, "Inflict Damage."
  • 00:19:01.170 --> 00:19:04.290
  • So I'm really talking about how death and life are in the power
  • 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.240
  • of the tongue and we don't really realize how powerful our
  • 00:19:07.250 --> 00:19:11.160
  • words are, and if we can use them as weapons against the
  • 00:19:11.170 --> 00:19:15.220
  • enemy, we will see results.
  • 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:18.170
  • -LEON: See, I use the word 'muttering' and then I saw your
  • 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:21.010
  • word 'whispers' and I thought that's so true, because when a
  • 00:19:21.020 --> 00:19:23.180
  • situation goes, when we go through something, say we're
  • 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:26.110
  • embarrassed and you walk off by yourself, we're all muttering or
  • 00:19:26.120 --> 00:19:29.240
  • whispering to ourselves. I'm so stupid, I'm so stupid. What's
  • 00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:32.080
  • wrong with me? How dumb could I be? It's that, it's kind of that
  • 00:19:32.090 --> 00:19:36.130
  • quiet little muttering or whispering we do to ourselves
  • 00:19:36.140 --> 00:19:39.030
  • that really shows what we believe, and you want to change
  • 00:19:39.040 --> 00:19:43.120
  • that so that our whispers are, "I'm beautiful and hot. God's
  • 00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:47.010
  • blessing me. God's guiding me." -EILEEN: Right. I am the
  • 00:19:47.020 --> 00:19:49.050
  • righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Those powerful little
  • 00:19:49.060 --> 00:19:53.090
  • whispers can evoke more change than any diet plan or any
  • 00:19:53.100 --> 00:19:58.040
  • exercise regime. It's our words that are guiding the direction
  • 00:19:58.050 --> 00:20:01.190
  • of our whole life.
  • 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:02.270
  • -LEON: So when you deal with this broken record that would
  • 00:20:02.280 --> 00:20:06.120
  • never stop in your mornings about how negative you are, what
  • 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:10.090
  • did you? Did you at the same time begin to put a process in
  • 00:20:10.100 --> 00:20:14.160
  • place with food and exercise?
  • 00:20:14.170 --> 00:20:15.240
  • -EILEEN: I did. I started what, I was studying how in Galatians
  • 00:20:15.250 --> 00:20:19.110
  • about the power of the seed, so sowing small seeds is the Bible
  • 00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:24.080
  • way of gaining supernatural results, so I started sowing a
  • 00:20:24.090 --> 00:20:29.140
  • small seed with my eating and a small seed with my exercise. And
  • 00:20:29.150 --> 00:20:32.210
  • this is what I teach because it's so often we think it takes
  • 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:36.040
  • massive action to achieve massive results, but it's not
  • 00:20:36.050 --> 00:20:39.260
  • that way at all. The Bible talks about sowing a seed, so if we
  • 00:20:39.270 --> 00:20:45.190
  • could do that in a posture of faith, believing God for
  • 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.250
  • supernatural results, I believe He wants to show up with
  • 00:20:48.260 --> 00:20:52.060
  • supernatural health.
  • 00:20:52.070 --> 00:20:53.120
  • -LEON: See, that's totally true. Even though I was just
  • 00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:56.210
  • with a guy named Ben Lerner, who was the Coach to the Olympic
  • 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:59.210
  • Wrestling Team, and he teaches working out and things. And he
  • 00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:03.020
  • was, so we were both speaking at a conference and he was like in
  • 00:21:03.030 --> 00:21:05.020
  • the afternoon and there was a lot of speakers and everyone is
  • 00:21:05.030 --> 00:21:08.200
  • tired, so he made everybody get up and he made them run on the
  • 00:21:08.210 --> 00:21:12.100
  • spot, and these are all Pastors from around the world.
  • 00:21:12.110 --> 00:21:14.270
  • -EILEEN: Oh, wow! That's awesome.
  • 00:21:14.280 --> 00:21:16.270
  • -LEON: For like, 20 to 30 seconds, that was it. And then
  • 00:21:16.280 --> 00:21:18.270
  • he said, "This little bit of just kind of running on the
  • 00:21:18.280 --> 00:21:21.160
  • spot-- and we're all laughing at ourselves-- is going to affect
  • 00:21:21.170 --> 00:21:24.140
  • your metabolism for the next four hours." I thought, what? I
  • 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:27.240
  • thought I had to go work out for two hours to affect it. And he's
  • 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:31.230
  • saying the same thing from a physiological perspective that,
  • 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.010
  • so even when it came to working out or you didn't try this
  • 00:21:35.020 --> 00:21:38.090
  • massive thing, you did little steps.
  • 00:21:38.100 --> 00:21:40.170
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, and some psychologists call it the
  • 00:21:40.180 --> 00:21:42.170
  • minimum effective dose, so whether it is the smallest
  • 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:45.020
  • amount that you can possibly do to evoke change, like boiling
  • 00:21:45.030 --> 00:21:49.060
  • water is boiling water. If it gets hotter, it doesn't make it
  • 00:21:49.070 --> 00:21:51.240
  • more boiled. It's just doing the correct amount of effort to
  • 00:21:51.250 --> 00:21:56.030
  • achieve the result that you want and nothing more.
  • 00:21:56.040 --> 00:21:58.150
  • -LEON: So then, what I'm hearing you saying, correct me
  • 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:01.060
  • if I'm wrong, is that when you have this huge step you just
  • 00:22:01.070 --> 00:22:05.180
  • psych yourself right out anyway. So we're doing this to not psych
  • 00:22:05.190 --> 00:22:09.250
  • ourselves out.
  • 00:22:09.260 --> 00:22:11.000
  • -EILEEN: Yes, absolutely. I mean, I get on my exercise
  • 00:22:11.010 --> 00:22:14.110
  • machine and go, "I'm doing this for ten minutes. I'm stopping in
  • 00:22:14.120 --> 00:22:17.180
  • ten minutes." Many times, I go over ten minutes, but I tell
  • 00:22:17.190 --> 00:22:20.060
  • myself, I'm only this for ten minutes." And you can mentally
  • 00:22:20.070 --> 00:22:23.260
  • work with yourself just to sow a seed, but then I always do it
  • 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:27.010
  • believing God for supernatural results. I think that's a very
  • 00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:29.280
  • important step for people.
  • 00:22:29.290 --> 00:22:31.080
  • -LEON: That is a very important step, because if what we're
  • 00:22:31.090 --> 00:22:36.010
  • doing we're not believing 'cause, "Faith without works is
  • 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:38.010
  • dead." But works without faith is dead too, which is what
  • 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:41.270
  • you're saying. I need to be keep believing.
  • 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:43.270
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, I think it matters enormously and people
  • 00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:47.220
  • don't do that. They just work out and they don't believe God
  • 00:22:47.230 --> 00:22:51.040
  • for it and I'm like, "Well, you could just add your faith to
  • 00:22:51.050 --> 00:22:53.040
  • that."
  • 00:22:53.050 --> 00:22:54.120
  • -LEON: Yeah, Christians have such an advantage 'cause we've
  • 00:22:54.130 --> 00:22:56.260
  • got this power from God, His grace to bring any kind of
  • 00:22:56.270 --> 00:23:00.280
  • change, and if we can have the desires of our heart, then to be
  • 00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:04.040
  • healthy, to be fit, to be whole, He's going to assist us with
  • 00:23:04.050 --> 00:23:07.060
  • that.
  • 00:23:07.070 --> 00:23:08.140
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, I believe that. -LEON: Final words. What would
  • 00:23:08.150 --> 00:23:10.060
  • you say to someone watching right now who has pretty much
  • 00:23:10.070 --> 00:23:12.060
  • given up on every diet they've tried, because I hear that all
  • 00:23:12.070 --> 00:23:14.270
  • the time from people. They've given up.
  • 00:23:14.280 --> 00:23:17.110
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, I would just say, "Be encouraged." Because I
  • 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:19.260
  • felt as stuck as anyone could feel and I felt like a basket
  • 00:23:19.270 --> 00:23:24.050
  • case, really beyond any type of help. But God wants to
  • 00:23:24.060 --> 00:23:28.110
  • supernaturally come to your aid and to help you, and you don't
  • 00:23:28.120 --> 00:23:32.110
  • need another diet plan. You just need to die to your old thinking
  • 00:23:32.120 --> 00:23:35.160
  • plan.
  • 00:23:35.170 --> 00:23:36.240
  • -LEON: Wow! Thank you so much, Eileen. This has been great!
  • 00:23:36.250 --> 00:23:38.270
  • -EILEEN: Yeah, thank you for having me.
  • 00:23:38.280 --> 00:23:40.270
  • -LEON: If you've been watching us in this conversation, we're
  • 00:23:40.280 --> 00:23:42.270
  • talking from this book called, 'The Brave Body Method.' And if
  • 00:23:42.280 --> 00:23:46.070
  • you want to change your health, lose weight, get healthy, then
  • 00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:50.030
  • add the Word of God to everything you're doing and
  • 00:23:50.040 --> 00:23:54.230
  • together, I think this will be a win-win. We'll be right back.
  • 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.200
  • -ANNOUNCER: DEVOTED. A daily devotional created with you in
  • 00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:08.180
  • mind. Easy to read and simple to understand. These two-minute
  • 00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:11.270
  • faith boosters are available in eight different languages. Watch
  • 00:24:11.280 --> 00:24:14.170
  • it on YouTube or have the booklet sent directly to your
  • 00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:17.110
  • home. You can also receive DEVOTED to your email inbox
  • 00:24:17.120 --> 00:24:19.080
  • daily. Become inspired as Leon Fontaine shares practical
  • 00:24:19.090 --> 00:24:22.220
  • Biblical teaching. DEVOTED is literally at your fingertips.
  • 00:24:22.230 --> 00:24:27.240
  • Transform your life with this Spirit Contemporary devotional.
  • 00:24:27.250 --> 00:24:30.200
  • Sign up to receive DEVOTED today.
  • 00:24:30.210 --> 00:24:33.060
  • -LEON: It was so great to have Eileen Wilder on the show today.
  • 00:24:37.260 --> 00:24:40.210
  • We all have struggles in life, big and small, and we all have
  • 00:24:40.220 --> 00:24:44.050
  • the power to overcome them. I want to talk to you about
  • 00:24:44.060 --> 00:24:47.130
  • something that's really important to me. It's this
  • 00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:50.080
  • concept of Spirit Contemporary. People will often ask me, "Leon,
  • 00:24:50.090 --> 00:24:55.130
  • are you seeker sensitive? Are you sensitive to those that are
  • 00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:57.290
  • seeking Christ?" And I always say, "Yes." They say, "Well
  • 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:01.070
  • then, oh! Then you're not Spirit-filled." And I go, "No, I
  • 00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:04.040
  • am." I believe it takes both. Jesus grew in favor with God and
  • 00:25:04.050 --> 00:25:08.120
  • He grew in favor with man. If we don't have both, it's like two
  • 00:25:08.130 --> 00:25:12.210
  • wings on a plane; one is not going to cut it. You could be
  • 00:25:12.220 --> 00:25:17.080
  • full of the power of God but until you are also able to
  • 00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:21.190
  • connect with people, serve people, respect people, that
  • 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.160
  • power that's within you? They're not going to receive it or
  • 00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:28.040
  • accept it. Even with Jesus in His home town, until they
  • 00:25:28.050 --> 00:25:31.100
  • accepted Him they saw no great miracles. This message of Spirit
  • 00:25:31.110 --> 00:25:35.200
  • Contemporary, being spiritually alive with the gifts of the
  • 00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:38.260
  • Spirit. The power of Holy Spirit flowing through you is crucial.
  • 00:25:38.270 --> 00:25:42.210
  • And then you developing these skills of being able to connect
  • 00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:46.200
  • to people, and by the way, Holy Spirit is the most relevant
  • 00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:49.170
  • force in the universe! He'll guide you in how to connect to
  • 00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:53.180
  • people in a way where they'll be attracted to the Jesus in you.
  • 00:25:53.190 --> 00:25:58.100
  • We need to get the Gospel out in this way. Whenever the message
  • 00:25:58.110 --> 00:26:02.190
  • of Jesus goes out in a condemning, legalistic way,
  • 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.200
  • people back away from it and it doesn't bear fruit. But when we
  • 00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:08.250
  • bring it forth in a way that is filled with grace and love and
  • 00:26:08.260 --> 00:26:12.220
  • the power of the Spirit, something changes. I'd love to
  • 00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:16.160
  • have you help us out with this. Your gift of $30 or more is
  • 00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:21.240
  • going to help put peoples' names in the Lamb's Book of Life, and
  • 00:26:21.250 --> 00:26:26.010
  • I mean help them find heaven. You are spreading the Gospel to
  • 00:26:26.020 --> 00:26:29.190
  • cities and countries that need it so urgently. Go to your phone
  • 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.220
  • right now and again, for a gift of $30 or the best you can do,
  • 00:26:33.230 --> 00:26:38.230
  • way beyond that even, we'd love to send you this gift and I
  • 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.170
  • believe it's going to help you to even sharpen you up to be
  • 00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:45.050
  • amazing for Christ in your locale.
  • 00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:48.120
  • -ANNOUNCER: We trust that you are being blessed, uplifted and
  • 00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:52.290
  • encouraged in your Christian walk through today's program. As
  • 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.190
  • a viewer, you should know that we care about you. We value you
  • 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.290
  • greatly and appreciate your prayers.
  • 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.060
  • - Did you know that MIRACLE CHANNEL is taking the good news
  • 00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:05.170
  • of Jesus Christ around the world through award-winning programs
  • 00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:08.280
  • like this? We are actively translating ministry programs
  • 00:27:08.290 --> 00:27:13.020
  • into languages like Spanish, French, Italian and even
  • 00:27:13.030 --> 00:27:16.210
  • Russian. We even air on television stations in the
  • 00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:19.160
  • Middle East. This means that millions upon millions of people
  • 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:23.260
  • are hearing about Jesus Christ in their language and it's all
  • 00:27:23.270 --> 00:27:27.040
  • thanks to people like you. Considerable expenses are
  • 00:27:27.050 --> 00:27:31.000
  • involved so we need your support because each person who gives
  • 00:27:31.010 --> 00:27:35.050
  • their life to Jesus is absolutely worth the cost. Each
  • 00:27:35.060 --> 00:27:38.070
  • is of infinite value to God.
  • 00:27:38.080 --> 00:27:40.020
  • - You are very important to us. We care greatly about your
  • 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.140
  • spiritual growth, which is why we would like to get today's
  • 00:27:44.150 --> 00:27:47.170
  • resources into your hands. When you support this program by
  • 00:27:47.180 --> 00:27:50.150
  • making a donation, you are not only enriching your walk with
  • 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.170
  • the Lord; you are sharing Jesus with someone on the other side
  • 00:27:54.180 --> 00:27:57.270
  • of the globe. Your donation transforms lives by reaching
  • 00:27:57.280 --> 00:28:01.180
  • literally millions of people with the Gospel. Call now and
  • 00:28:01.190 --> 00:28:04.080
  • change someone's life today.
  • 00:28:04.090 --> 00:28:06.230
  • - Tomorrow on the LEON SHOW.
  • 00:28:12.090 --> 00:28:14.170
  • - Then the sadness of it, that there is no God and in
  • 00:28:14.180 --> 00:28:18.200
  • Christianity we're the only major religion where God not
  • 00:28:18.210 --> 00:28:23.160
  • only knows us but He wants us to know Him. That is a phenomenal
  • 00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:25.230
  • idea and the beauty and the comfort from the truth of that.
  • 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.160
  • Closed Captioned by CS: The Miracle Channel Association
  • 00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:29.290