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October 20, 2017
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Matthew Hagee

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  • MUSIC
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  • PLEASE WELCOME
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  • MATT AND KENDAL HAGEE.
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  • MUSIC
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO AND WELCOME
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  • TO "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY
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  • INTIMATE AND IMPORTANT SUBJECT.
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  • THE SUBJECT IS "ABORTION"
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  • AND THE AFFECTS IT HAS.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: PSALM 34:17
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  • THROUGH 18 SAYS,
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  • "THE RIGHTEOUS CRY OUT.
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  • THE LORD HEARS THEM.
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  • HE DELIVERS THEM FROM ALL
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  • THEIR TROUBLES.
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  • THE LORD IS CLOSE TO THE BROKEN
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  • HEARTED AND SAVES THOSE WHO ARE
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  • CRUSHED IN SPIRIT."
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  • MATT HAGEE: THIS ISSUE
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  • OF ABORTION HAS INDEED
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  • BEEN A HEARTBREAKING SUBJECT
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  • FOR MANY GENERATIONS
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  • HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
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  • POLITICALLY, IT'S CONSIDERED
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  • ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL
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  • TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSS
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  • IN THE NATION TODAY.
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  • HOWEVER, THERE ARE IMPACTS
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  • AND AFFECTS THAT IT'S HAD
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  • ON WOMEN AND FAMILIES
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  • THAT YOU MIGHT NOT EVER
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  • GET TO HEAR ABOUT.
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  • TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE
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  • DISCUSSING SOME OF THOSE
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  • IMPACTS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN
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  • DO TOGETHER TO HELP SOLVE
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  • THIS PROBLEM.
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  • YOU KNOW HERE AT JOHN HAGEE
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  • MINISTRIES,
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  • WE'VE OFTEN STATED
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  • THAT IT'S ONE THING TO SEE EVIL
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  • AND NOT CALL IT EVIL.
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  • IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SEE EVIL
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  • AND NOT ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
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  • WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT
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  • AT THE SANCTUARY OF HOPE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: WE'RE SO EXCITED
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  • TO BE OPENING IN A COUPLE
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  • OF MONTHS.
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  • MATT HAGEE: THE SANCTUARY
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  • OF HOPE IS A FACILITY
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  • WHERE UNWED MOTHERS,
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  • WHO ARE FACING A VERY DIFFICULT
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  • CIRCUMSTANCE,
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  • GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME
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  • AND GIVE A CHILD A LIFE SENTENCE
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  • INSTEAD OF A DEATH SENTENCE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • AFTER THE BREAK,
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  • WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS
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  • DISCUSSION WITH
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON,
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  • WHO YOU MAY KNOW FROM THE HIT
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  • REALITY SERIES
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  • "PREACHER'S DAUGHTERS."
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  • YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS.
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  • YOU'RE WATCHING
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  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • AT AN EARLY AGE,
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  • JOHN HAGEE HAD A HEART
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  • TO HELP ORPHANS
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  • AND THE UNBORN.
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  • FROM THAT DREAM,
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  • CAME A VISION.
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  • AND NOW,
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  • SANCTUARY OF HOPE
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  • IS BECOMING A REALITY.
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  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: WHILE
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  • WE CAN'T HELP ALL OF THEM,
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  • WE CAN HELP SOME OF THEM.
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  • AND BECAUSE WE CAN, WE SHOULD.
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  • AND BECAUSE THIS IS
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  • THE COMMISSION OF GOD, WE ARE.
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  • HELP GIVE THE GIFT OF LIFE.
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
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  • OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE.
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  • THIS MONTH FOR A GIFT OF ANY
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  • AMOUNT TO JOHN HAGEE MINISTRIES,
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  • WE WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF
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  • PASTOR HAGEE'S SERMON
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  • "THE ETERNAL QUESTION."
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  • FOR A GIFT OF $100 OR MORE,
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  • YOU WILL RECEIVE THE ENTIRE
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  • "GREAT QUESTIONS OF THE BIBLE"
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  • SERMON SERIES,
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  • ALONG WITH SOME OTHER
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  • GREAT RESOURCES TO HELP YOU
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  • FIND PEACE AND CLARITY
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  • IN THESE TROUBLING TIMES.
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  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: THANK YOU
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  • FOR ALL OF YOUR PRAYERS
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  • AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT
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  • OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING
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  • TO REACH THE LOST WITH
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  • THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
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  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/QUESTIONS.
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  • GOING TO FLY AWAY
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  • GRAMMY SINGER AND SONG WRITER,
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  • RICARDO SANCHEZ'
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  • NEW WORSHIP ALBUM
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  • "TASTE AND SEE"
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  • RECORDED LIVE
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  • IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
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  • IT'S A MIRACLE
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  • IT'S NO NOBODY
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  • GLORIFY THE LORD
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  • STRONG AND MIGHTY
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  • STRONG AND MIGHTY
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  • THE ONE WHO IS
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  • THE ONE WHO WILL ALWAYS BE
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  • AVAILABLE NOW.
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  • DOWNLOAD YOUR COPY TODAY
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  • ON ITUNES.
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
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  • OR SIMPLY GO TO JHM.ORG.
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: VICTORIA ROBINSON
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  • IS AN AUTHOR,
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  • PUBLIC SPEAKER,
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  • NON-PROFIT EXECUTIVE,
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  • AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY,
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  • MOTHER OF FIVE AND GRANDMOTHER
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  • OF ONE.
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  • PLEASE HELP US WELCOME
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON
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  • TO "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO.
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  • HOW ARE YOU?
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: GOOD.
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  • HOW ARE YOU?
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S SO GOOD TO
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  • HAVE YOU HERE.
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: NICE TO BE
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  • HERE.
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  • HEY, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
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  • MATT HAGEE: TODAY WE'RE HAVING
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  • A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION
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  • ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ABORTION.
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  • AND YOU KNOW SO OFTEN
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  • IT'S DISCUSSED AS A SOLUTION.
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  • BUT AFTER THAT DECISION,
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  • THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT
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  • INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
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  • AND YOU'VE COVERED MANY OF THEM
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  • IN THE BOOK THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN
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  • "THEY LIED TO US;
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  • SHARING THE SISTERHOOD OF GRIEF
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  • AND RECOVERY AFTER ABORTION."
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  • WHAT LED YOU TO TELL THIS TALE?
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WELL,
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  • I'M A POST-ABORTIVE WOMAN.
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  • UM, THIRTY YEARS AGO,
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  • I MADE THE CHOICE TO HAVE
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  • AN ABORTION WHEN I WAS SIX WEEKS
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  • PREGNANT.
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  • AND I WAS A SINGLE MOTHER WITH
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  • TWO YOUNG GIRLS AT HOME
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  • AND WAS STRUGGLING.
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  • THEIR FATHER HAD BASICALLY
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  • ABANDONED US.
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  • SO I WAS ALREADY IN A VERY
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  • CRISIS SITUATION
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  • WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS PREGNANT.
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  • AND MY BOYFRIEND AT THE TIME
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  • TOLD ME, YOU KNOW,
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  • "WE NEED TO HAVE AN ABORTION.
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  • WE CAN HAVE KIDS LATER."
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  • AND I BELIEVED HIM THAT WE WOULD
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  • GET MARRIED ONE DAY
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  • AND HAVE KIDS.
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  • AND JUST THE TIMING
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  • WASN'T RIGHT.
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  • AND I LET HIM CONVINCE ME THAT
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  • THAT WAS TRUE.
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  • AND I LET THE WOMAN AT
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  • THE ABORTION CLINIC CONVINCE ME
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  • THAT WAS TRUE.
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  • SO AT SIX WEEK'S PREGNANT,
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  • I WENT ON A SATURDAY MORNING
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  • AND DROVE MYSELF TO A CLINIC
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  • IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA,
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  • AND HAD AN ABORTION.
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  • AND WHEN I WALKED OUT,
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  • I KNEW IMMEDIATELY MY LIFE
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  • WAS NEVER GOING TO BE THE SAME.
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  • IT'S INTERESTING HOW BEFORE
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  • WHEN YOU'RE IN A CRISIS AND YOU
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  • NEED TO HEAR THE THINGS LIKE,
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  • "YOU CAN'T HAVE A BABY
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  • RIGHT NOW,"
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  • "WHAT WILL PEOPLE THINK;
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  • YOU'RE NOT MARRIED,"
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  • "YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TWO KIDS
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  • YOU CAN BARELY TAKE CARE OF,"
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  • YOU CONVINCE YOURSELF
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  • IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
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  • BUT THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS,
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  • THE VOICES IN THE ELEVATOR
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  • WERE SAYING TO ME,
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  • "GOSH, WHAT KIND OF WOMAN
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  • KILLS HER OWN BABY?"
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  • "WHAT KIND OF WOMAN ARE YOU
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  • THAT NOBODY'S EVER GOING
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  • TO WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
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  • WITH YOU?"
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  • "YOU NEVER DESERVE HAPPINESS
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  • AGAIN FOR WHAT YOU'VE
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  • JUST DONE."
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  • SO I KNEW IMMEDIATELY
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  • THAT MY LIFE HAD CHANGED,
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  • AND IT HAD.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG
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  • FOR THE SWITCH TO FLIP,
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  • SO TO SPEAK.
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT DIDN'T.
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  • AND SO THE ENEMY'S GOOD
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  • AT THAT.
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  • HE PUTS SIN RIGHT IN YOUR FACE
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  • VERY SUBTLY AND MAKES IT
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  • LOOK GOOD,
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  • AND LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S THE SOLUTION
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  • TO A CRISIS --
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: EXACTLY.
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  • MATT HAGEE: -- THAT TURNS INTO
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  • AN ABSOLUTE CRISIS OF ITS OWN.
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • AND SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH
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  • 13 YEARS OF NEVER SHARING
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  • MY SECRET WITH ANYBODY,
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  • BEING INVOLVED IN WOMEN'S
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  • MINISTRY,
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  • LEADING WORSHIP FOR A CHURCH
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  • OF 5.000 PEOPLE,
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  • HEAVILY INVOLVED IN WOMEN'S
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  • MINISTRY.
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  • BUT I KEPT MY SECRET,
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  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF THEY KNOW,
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  • THEY'LL KICK ME OFF
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  • THE WORSHIP TEAM.
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  • THEY WON'T ALLOW ME TO MINISTER
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  • TO THESE WOMEN.
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  • AND WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING
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  • WAS MOST OF THE WOMEN WHO HAD
  • 00:06:16.220 --> 00:06:18.160
  • HAD ABORTIONS IN OUR CONFERENCES
  • 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.260
  • OR AT CHURCH WOULD FIND ME FOR
  • 00:06:20.260 --> 00:06:23.070
  • WHATEVER REASON -- I KNOW NOW.
  • 00:06:23.070 --> 00:06:25.140
  • -- AND TELL ME THEIR SECRET;
  • 00:06:25.140 --> 00:06:27.030
  • BUT YET, NOBODY KNEW MY SECRET.
  • 00:06:27.030 --> 00:06:29.040
  • AND I WOULD GET ANGRY WITH GOD.
  • 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:30.250
  • I WENT THROUGH THIS PHASE OF
  • 00:06:30.250 --> 00:06:31.240
  • BEING VERY MAD AT GOD, SAYING,
  • 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.040
  • "WHY DO YOU KEEP TORTURING ME
  • 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:34.270
  • WITH THESE WOMEN'S STORIES?
  • 00:06:34.270 --> 00:06:36.020
  • ARE YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE
  • 00:06:36.020 --> 00:06:36.290
  • TO REMIND ME WHAT I DID?"
  • 00:06:36.290 --> 00:06:38.270
  • BUT HE WASN'T.
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  • IT WAS WHEN HE -- IT WAS THE
  • 00:06:39.230 --> 00:06:40.280
  • HEALING PROCESS WAS STARTING.
  • 00:06:40.280 --> 00:06:42.060
  • I CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE THAT
  • 00:06:42.060 --> 00:06:43.070
  • NOW.
  • 00:06:43.070 --> 00:06:44.010
  • SO THE REASON I WANTED TO WRITE
  • 00:06:44.010 --> 00:06:45.050
  • THE BOOK WAS BECAUSE I MET SO
  • 00:06:45.050 --> 00:06:47.120
  • MANY WOMEN THAT HAD EXPERIENCED
  • 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.090
  • THE SAME GUILT AND SHAME
  • 00:06:49.090 --> 00:06:50.200
  • THAT I HAD.
  • 00:06:50.200 --> 00:06:51.200
  • AND I WANTED THEM TO TELL
  • 00:06:51.200 --> 00:06:52.270
  • THEIR STORIES AND KNOW THAT GOD
  • 00:06:52.270 --> 00:06:54.050
  • FORGIVES FOR ALL SIN;
  • 00:06:54.050 --> 00:06:55.220
  • THAT ABORTION IS NOT THE SIN
  • 00:06:55.220 --> 00:06:57.020
  • THAT'S THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.
  • 00:06:57.020 --> 00:06:59.020
  • AND I WANTED THEM TO KNOW
  • 00:06:59.020 --> 00:07:00.060
  • THERE WAS REDEMPTION.
  • 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:01.110
  • IT TOOK ME 13 YEARS TO FIND IT.
  • 00:07:01.110 --> 00:07:03.180
  • AND I FOUND IT THROUGH
  • 00:07:03.180 --> 00:07:04.140
  • A PREGNANCY CENTER.
  • 00:07:04.140 --> 00:07:05.200
  • I WENT TO A CRISIS PREGNANCY
  • 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:06.210
  • CENTER TO VOLUNTEER.
  • 00:07:06.210 --> 00:07:08.110
  • THE DIRECTOR THERE KEPT
  • 00:07:08.110 --> 00:07:09.200
  • PURSUING ME TO GET INVOLVED
  • 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:11.020
  • BECAUSE I HAD A REALLY GOOD
  • 00:07:11.020 --> 00:07:11.290
  • REPORT WITH YOUNG WOMEN.
  • 00:07:11.290 --> 00:07:13.150
  • AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, GOD,
  • 00:07:13.150 --> 00:07:15.100
  • MORE TORTURE.
  • 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:16.050
  • YOU WANT TO PUT ME AT A
  • 00:07:16.050 --> 00:07:17.000
  • PREGNANCY CENTER SO EVERY DAY I
  • 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:18.220
  • CAN BE REMINDED OF MY ABORTION.
  • 00:07:19.010 --> 00:07:22.010
  • AND WHEN I WENT THROUGH
  • 00:07:22.010 --> 00:07:23.080
  • THE VOLUNTEER TRAINING,
  • 00:07:23.080 --> 00:07:24.070
  • THAT'S WHEN MORE HEALING BEGAN.
  • 00:07:24.070 --> 00:07:26.070
  • AND SIX MONTHS INTO FOLDING
  • 00:07:26.070 --> 00:07:27.190
  • BABY CLOTHES AND OTHER
  • 00:07:27.190 --> 00:07:29.290
  • VOLUNTEERS TRYING TO PUSH ME
  • 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.120
  • IN THE DIRECTION OF DOING
  • 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:32.130
  • COUNSELING,
  • 00:07:32.130 --> 00:07:33.040
  • I KNEW I HADN'T FOUND
  • 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.050
  • MY OWN HEALING,
  • 00:07:34.050 --> 00:07:35.090
  • SO I HAD NO BUSINESS COUNSELING
  • 00:07:35.090 --> 00:07:36.140
  • ANYONE CONSIDERING ABORTION.
  • 00:07:36.140 --> 00:07:38.200
  • BUT WHEN I WENT TO THE DIRECTOR
  • 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:40.000
  • AND SAID,
  • 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:40.270
  • "I NEED TO TELL YOU A SECRET;
  • 00:07:40.270 --> 00:07:42.160
  • I HAD AN ABORTION."
  • 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:43.240
  • SHE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID,
  • 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.050
  • "I KNOW."
  • 00:07:45.050 --> 00:07:46.110
  • AND I SAID, "WHAT IS IT;
  • 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:47.030
  • TATTOOED ON MY HEAD?
  • 00:07:47.030 --> 00:07:48.210
  • HOW DO YOU KNOW?"
  • 00:07:48.210 --> 00:07:50.010
  • MATT HAGEE: HIPAA.
  • 00:07:50.010 --> 00:07:50.200
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: YEAH,
  • 00:07:50.200 --> 00:07:51.090
  • REALLY.
  • 00:07:51.090 --> 00:07:51.280
  • SHE SAID, "I'VE KNOWN.
  • 00:07:51.280 --> 00:07:53.010
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT SHARED THAT
  • 00:07:53.010 --> 00:07:53.280
  • WITH ME.
  • 00:07:53.280 --> 00:07:54.190
  • AND I'VE JUST BEEN WAITING
  • 00:07:54.190 --> 00:07:55.140
  • FOR YOU TO COME AND TELL ME.
  • 00:07:55.140 --> 00:07:57.000
  • AND NOW YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE
  • 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:58.260
  • WHAT GOD'S GOING TO DO."
  • 00:07:58.260 --> 00:07:59.220
  • AND SHE IMMEDIATELY PUT ME
  • 00:07:59.220 --> 00:08:00.250
  • IN POST-ABORTION RECOVERY,
  • 00:08:00.250 --> 00:08:03.100
  • AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE.
  • 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:04.090
  • AND NOW I'VE BEEN --
  • 00:08:04.090 --> 00:08:05.070
  • I NOW CONDUCT POST-ABORTION
  • 00:08:05.070 --> 00:08:06.290
  • RECOVERY RETREATS,
  • 00:08:06.290 --> 00:08:08.210
  • SPEAK ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:08:08.210 --> 00:08:10.100
  • THE BOOK IS NOW
  • 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:11.020
  • IN ITS FOURTH PRINT.
  • 00:08:11.020 --> 00:08:12.160
  • I'VE MET COUNTLESS NUMBERS
  • 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:13.280
  • OF WOMEN.
  • 00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:15.000
  • AND MY CHILD DID NOT DIE
  • 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.060
  • IN VAIN.
  • 00:08:16.060 --> 00:08:16.290
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:17.290
  • YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WOMEN
  • 00:08:17.290 --> 00:08:19.210
  • YOU'VE MET --
  • 00:08:19.210 --> 00:08:21.010
  • WHAT'S THE DISTRIBUTION INSIDE
  • 00:08:21.010 --> 00:08:22.170
  • THE CHURCH/OUTSIDE THE CHURCH?
  • 00:08:22.170 --> 00:08:23.290
  • BECAUSE YOU KNOW A LOT
  • 00:08:23.290 --> 00:08:25.040
  • OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:25.230
  • THEY WANT TO CATEGORIZE THIS
  • 00:08:25.230 --> 00:08:27.130
  • AS AN ABSOLUTE SECULARIZED AND
  • 00:08:27.130 --> 00:08:29.270
  • CARNAL HUMANISTIC BEHAVIOR.
  • 00:08:29.270 --> 00:08:31.270
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: THEY DO.
  • 00:08:31.270 --> 00:08:32.140
  • MATT HAGEE: NOW GRANT IT,
  • 00:08:32.140 --> 00:08:33.150
  • THERE'S A WHOLE LOT
  • 00:08:33.150 --> 00:08:34.160
  • OF SELFISHNESS THAT GOES
  • 00:08:34.160 --> 00:08:35.200
  • INTO THAT DECISION
  • 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:36.200
  • FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
  • 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:37.240
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: RIGHT.
  • 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:38.150
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT IT'S NOT IMMUNE
  • 00:08:38.150 --> 00:08:40.020
  • TO ONE CLASS OR QUANTITY
  • 00:08:40.020 --> 00:08:42.070
  • OR GROUP OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:08:42.070 --> 00:08:43.130
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT IS NOT.
  • 00:08:43.130 --> 00:08:44.040
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S WIDESPREAD.
  • 00:08:44.040 --> 00:08:45.020
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: OH,
  • 00:08:45.020 --> 00:08:45.250
  • ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:08:45.250 --> 00:08:46.180
  • ONE OUT OF FOUR WOMEN IN THIS
  • 00:08:46.180 --> 00:08:47.150
  • COUNTRY HAS HAD AN ABORTION.
  • 00:08:47.150 --> 00:08:48.190
  • THEY'RE SITTING IN YOUR CHURCH
  • 00:08:48.190 --> 00:08:49.100
  • EVERY WEEK.
  • 00:08:49.100 --> 00:08:49.290
  • MATT HAGEE: IF YOU DO A HEAD
  • 00:08:49.290 --> 00:08:50.250
  • COUNT AT THE CONGREGATION,
  • 00:08:50.250 --> 00:08:51.180
  • THERE'S WOMEN
  • 00:08:51.180 --> 00:08:52.160
  • IN THE CONGREGATION.
  • 00:08:52.160 --> 00:08:53.140
  • AND YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T ALL
  • 00:08:53.140 --> 00:08:56.060
  • FIND THEMSELVES UNWED
  • 00:08:56.060 --> 00:08:57.280
  • AND PREGNANT.
  • 00:08:57.280 --> 00:08:58.200
  • SOME OF THEM JUST CONSIDERED
  • 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.220
  • THIS TO BE A WAY OF --
  • 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:00.290
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: SOME OF THEM
  • 00:09:00.290 --> 00:09:01.180
  • ARE MARRIED.
  • 00:09:01.180 --> 00:09:02.110
  • SOME OF THE WOMEN I'VE MET
  • 00:09:02.110 --> 00:09:03.030
  • WERE MARRIED.
  • 00:09:03.030 --> 00:09:03.230
  • SOME OF THEM ARE PASTOR'S WIVES.
  • 00:09:03.230 --> 00:09:04.250
  • SOME ARE PASTOR'S DAUGHTERS.
  • 00:09:04.250 --> 00:09:06.090
  • THEY CAN'T --
  • 00:09:06.090 --> 00:09:07.140
  • PASTORS THAT I HAVE MET,
  • 00:09:07.140 --> 00:09:08.250
  • WHO DROVE THEIR DAUGHTERS TO
  • 00:09:08.250 --> 00:09:09.250
  • HAVE ABORTIONS OUT INTO ANOTHER
  • 00:09:09.250 --> 00:09:11.180
  • STATE BECAUSE IF THE CHURCH
  • 00:09:11.180 --> 00:09:13.100
  • FINDS OUT...
  • 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:14.060
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:09:14.060 --> 00:09:15.010
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: YOU KNOW
  • 00:09:15.010 --> 00:09:15.260
  • AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:09:15.260 --> 00:09:16.180
  • I'VE SEEN, UNFORTUNATELY,
  • 00:09:16.180 --> 00:09:17.210
  • IS THE CHURCH WILL SHOOT
  • 00:09:17.210 --> 00:09:18.270
  • THEIR WOUNDED.
  • 00:09:18.270 --> 00:09:19.280
  • AND WOMEN DON'T FEEL SAFE
  • 00:09:19.280 --> 00:09:22.090
  • AT SOME CHURCHES TO BE ABLE
  • 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:23.210
  • TO EXPRESS, "I HAD AN ABORTION;
  • 00:09:23.210 --> 00:09:25.220
  • I NEED HELP,"
  • 00:09:25.220 --> 00:09:26.160
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE SO AFRAID
  • 00:09:26.160 --> 00:09:27.210
  • LIKE I WAS, TO BE OSTRACIZED
  • 00:09:27.210 --> 00:09:30.160
  • AND TO BE CONDEMNED AND JUDGED.
  • 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:32.190
  • AND WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THAT
  • 00:09:32.190 --> 00:09:34.050
  • ON OURSELVES AS A POST-ABORTIVE
  • 00:09:34.050 --> 00:09:35.130
  • WOMAN.
  • 00:09:35.130 --> 00:09:36.100
  • I DON'T NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME
  • 00:09:36.100 --> 00:09:38.000
  • MY DECISION WAS TERRIBLE.
  • 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.060
  • I KNOW IT WAS TERRIBLE.
  • 00:09:39.060 --> 00:09:40.220
  • BUT I DO NEED TO LET WOMEN KNOW
  • 00:09:40.220 --> 00:09:42.180
  • THERE'S REDEMPTION AND THAT GOD
  • 00:09:42.180 --> 00:09:44.290
  • DOESN'T THINK I'M SO TERRIBLE.
  • 00:09:44.290 --> 00:09:46.140
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:09:46.140 --> 00:09:47.050
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: SO NOW
  • 00:09:47.050 --> 00:09:47.290
  • I'M ABLE TO SHARE MY STORY.
  • 00:09:47.290 --> 00:09:49.140
  • BEFORE, IN THAT 13 YEARS
  • 00:09:49.140 --> 00:09:52.020
  • OF WALKING AROUND GUILTY
  • 00:09:52.020 --> 00:09:53.170
  • AND SHAMEFUL,
  • 00:09:53.170 --> 00:09:54.090
  • AND GETTING INVOLVED
  • 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:55.060
  • IN RELATIONSHIPS THAT WERE
  • 00:09:55.060 --> 00:09:56.190
  • VERY ABUSIVE AND NOT --
  • 00:09:56.190 --> 00:09:58.140
  • AND VERY TOXIC, BECAUSE
  • 00:09:58.140 --> 00:09:59.240
  • I THOUGHT I DESERVED IT --
  • 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.020
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU FELT THAT WAS
  • 00:10:01.020 --> 00:10:02.030
  • PART OF YOUR PUNISHMENT.
  • 00:10:02.030 --> 00:10:03.020
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:10:03.020 --> 00:10:03.230
  • IT WAS PART OF MY PUNISHMENT.
  • 00:10:03.230 --> 00:10:04.200
  • AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.010
  • WHO AM I TO ASK TO BE HAPPY?
  • 00:10:06.010 --> 00:10:08.070
  • BUT THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS,
  • 00:10:08.070 --> 00:10:09.210
  • I COULDN'T EVEN LOOK IN MY
  • 00:10:09.210 --> 00:10:11.020
  • BATHROOM MIRROR ALONE,
  • 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:14.090
  • AND SAY, "YOU HAD AN ABORTION."
  • 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:16.180
  • I COULDN'T EVEN GET THE WORDS
  • 00:10:16.180 --> 00:10:17.110
  • OUT.
  • 00:10:17.110 --> 00:10:18.050
  • AND NOW,
  • 00:10:18.050 --> 00:10:19.050
  • I AM TRAVELING ALL OVER
  • 00:10:19.050 --> 00:10:19.290
  • THE COUNTRY TELLING EVERYBODY.
  • 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:21.280
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YOU HAVE
  • 00:10:21.280 --> 00:10:22.170
  • FOUR BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS.
  • 00:10:22.170 --> 00:10:23.080
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: I HAVE
  • 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:24.030
  • FOUR BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS.
  • 00:10:24.030 --> 00:10:24.230
  • I HAVE FOUR GRANDCHILDREN.
  • 00:10:24.230 --> 00:10:26.060
  • MATT HAGEE: WOW.
  • 00:10:26.060 --> 00:10:27.020
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: I HAVE
  • 00:10:27.020 --> 00:10:27.240
  • AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER.
  • 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.170
  • A THREE-MONTH --
  • 00:10:29.170 --> 00:10:30.190
  • A THREE-WEEK OLD --
  • 00:10:30.190 --> 00:10:31.090
  • A THREE-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON,
  • 00:10:31.090 --> 00:10:32.280
  • A THREE-MONTH-OLD,
  • 00:10:32.280 --> 00:10:33.280
  • AND A SIX-MONTH-OLD GRANDSON.
  • 00:10:33.280 --> 00:10:36.030
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S HAPPENING
  • 00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:37.030
  • QUICK.
  • 00:10:37.030 --> 00:10:37.230
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT IS
  • 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:38.130
  • HAPPENING QUICK.
  • 00:10:38.130 --> 00:10:39.020
  • SO THREE OF MY FOUR GIRLS
  • 00:10:39.020 --> 00:10:39.250
  • ARE MARRIED.
  • 00:10:39.250 --> 00:10:40.160
  • THEY MARRIED AMAZING MEN.
  • 00:10:40.160 --> 00:10:41.160
  • AND UH, I'VE GOT
  • 00:10:41.160 --> 00:10:42.270
  • SUCH AN INCREDIBLE FAMILY.
  • 00:10:42.270 --> 00:10:44.030
  • GOD HAS TRULY BLESSED MY LIFE
  • 00:10:44.030 --> 00:10:46.100
  • IN A WAY I WOULD HAVE NEVER
  • 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:48.010
  • THOUGHT POSSIBLE FROM MY PAST,
  • 00:10:48.010 --> 00:10:50.060
  • FROM THE PAST THAT I HAVE
  • 00:10:50.060 --> 00:10:51.200
  • BUT HE HAS.
  • 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.110
  • HE'S TAKEN THIS GIRL AND TURNED
  • 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:54.130
  • WHAT THE ENEMY MEANT FOR EVIL
  • 00:10:54.130 --> 00:10:56.010
  • AND TURNED IT TO GOOD.
  • 00:10:56.010 --> 00:10:57.090
  • KENDAL HAGEE: AND YOU ALSO,
  • 00:10:57.090 --> 00:10:58.080
  • WITH YOUR THIRD DAUGHTER,
  • 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.100
  • WASN'T THERE ANOTHER SITUATION
  • 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:00.170
  • THAT CAME UP IN YOUR LIFE THAT
  • 00:11:00.170 --> 00:11:01.250
  • YOU THOUGHT THIS IS THE ANSWER
  • 00:11:01.250 --> 00:11:04.140
  • TO GO BACK AGAIN.
  • 00:11:04.140 --> 00:11:05.040
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WELL,
  • 00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:05.260
  • IT WAS MY SECOND DAUGHTER.
  • 00:11:05.260 --> 00:11:06.180
  • WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH HER,
  • 00:11:06.180 --> 00:11:07.260
  • AND I WAS MARRIED,
  • 00:11:07.260 --> 00:11:09.010
  • HER FATHER BASICALLY SAID,
  • 00:11:09.010 --> 00:11:10.250
  • "HAVE AN ABORTION OR I'M GOING
  • 00:11:10.250 --> 00:11:11.220
  • TO DIVORCE YOU."
  • 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:12.290
  • AND I SAID, "BUT WE'RE MARRIED.
  • 00:11:12.290 --> 00:11:15.040
  • MARRIED PEOPLE DON'T HAVE
  • 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:15.250
  • ABORTIONS," WHICH THEY DO.
  • 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:17.200
  • BUT HE SAID,
  • 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.090
  • "YOU KNOW IT'S JUST A BLOB
  • 00:11:18.090 --> 00:11:19.070
  • OF TISSUE.
  • 00:11:19.070 --> 00:11:19.290
  • THAT'S WHAT THAT WOMAN AT
  • 00:11:19.290 --> 00:11:20.270
  • THE ABORTION CLINIC TOLD YOU.
  • 00:11:20.270 --> 00:11:22.240
  • AND IF YOU WANT TO STAY MARRIED
  • 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:23.250
  • TO ME, HAVE AN ABORTION."
  • 00:11:23.250 --> 00:11:25.080
  • SO THIS WENT ON FOR A COUPLE
  • 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:26.070
  • OF WEEKS.
  • 00:11:26.070 --> 00:11:27.060
  • I MADE AN APPOINTMENT AT
  • 00:11:27.060 --> 00:11:28.270
  • A CLINIC IN CHARLOTTE,
  • 00:11:28.270 --> 00:11:29.240
  • NORTH CAROLINA ONCE AGAIN,
  • 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:30.250
  • THE SAME CLINIC.
  • 00:11:30.250 --> 00:11:32.030
  • AND UM, THE MORNING OF,
  • 00:11:32.030 --> 00:11:34.010
  • I LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID,
  • 00:11:34.010 --> 00:11:35.180
  • "SO WAIT.
  • 00:11:35.180 --> 00:11:36.180
  • IF I DON'T GO THROUGH
  • 00:11:36.180 --> 00:11:37.180
  • WITH THIS --"
  • 00:11:37.180 --> 00:11:38.060
  • AND HE WASN'T DRIVING ME.
  • 00:11:38.060 --> 00:11:39.050
  • HE HAD A SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT HE
  • 00:11:39.050 --> 00:11:40.060
  • COULDN'T MISS.
  • 00:11:40.060 --> 00:11:41.170
  • I HAD TO HAVE A FRIEND TAKE ME.
  • 00:11:41.170 --> 00:11:43.200
  • SO SHE WAS WAITING
  • 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.130
  • IN THE DRIVEWAY TO TAKE ME.
  • 00:11:44.130 --> 00:11:45.060
  • MATT HAGEE: PRIORITIES WERE
  • 00:11:45.060 --> 00:11:46.010
  • SOMETHING.
  • 00:11:46.010 --> 00:11:46.200
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:47.110
  • HE WAS -- I KNOW HOW TO PICK
  • 00:11:47.110 --> 00:11:48.040
  • THEM.
  • 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:48.290
  • UM, SO I WAS STANDING
  • 00:11:48.290 --> 00:11:51.040
  • AT THE DOOR,
  • 00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:51.250
  • AND TURNED AND LOOKED AT HIM
  • 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:52.240
  • STANDING AT THE TOP
  • 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:53.140
  • OF THE STAIRS.
  • 00:11:53.140 --> 00:11:54.080
  • AND I SAID,
  • 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.140
  • "IF I DON'T WALK OUT THIS DOOR
  • 00:11:55.140 --> 00:11:57.020
  • AND GO AND HAVE THIS ABORTION,
  • 00:11:57.020 --> 00:11:59.240
  • YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING
  • 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:00.220
  • TO LEAVE ME?"
  • 00:12:00.220 --> 00:12:01.090
  • AND OUR DAUGHTER WAS TWO
  • 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:02.150
  • AT THE TIME.
  • 00:12:02.150 --> 00:12:03.060
  • AND HE SAID, "THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:12:03.060 --> 00:12:04.250
  • YOU EITHER DO IT OR I'M OUT
  • 00:12:04.250 --> 00:12:05.250
  • OF HERE."
  • 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:07.040
  • HE KNEW FROM MY BACKGROUND
  • 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:08.100
  • FROM DIVORCE WITH MY PARENTS,
  • 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:09.180
  • I DIDN'T WANT TO EVER
  • 00:12:09.180 --> 00:12:10.210
  • GO THROUGH A DIVORCE.
  • 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:11.270
  • MATT HAGEE: SO IT WAS
  • 00:12:11.270 --> 00:12:12.200
  • MANIPULATION.
  • 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:13.110
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT WAS.
  • 00:12:13.110 --> 00:12:14.030
  • AND I LOOKED AT HIM,
  • 00:12:14.030 --> 00:12:14.230
  • AND SAID, "THEN YOU NEED
  • 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:15.280
  • TO START PACKING.
  • 00:12:15.280 --> 00:12:17.060
  • I CAN'T DO IT."
  • 00:12:17.060 --> 00:12:18.130
  • SO SHE IS 32,
  • 00:12:18.130 --> 00:12:20.000
  • JUST HAD HER FIRST CHILD.
  • 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:21.180
  • HE'S THREE MONTHS OLD.
  • 00:12:21.180 --> 00:12:22.290
  • AND SHE TRAVELS WITH ME AS WELL.
  • 00:12:22.290 --> 00:12:24.170
  • AND I LOVE TO SHOW THE TANGIBLE
  • 00:12:24.170 --> 00:12:26.170
  • EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS NOT
  • 00:12:26.170 --> 00:12:27.270
  • A BLOB OF TISSUE.
  • 00:12:27.270 --> 00:12:29.050
  • AND IF SO,
  • 00:12:29.050 --> 00:12:30.080
  • IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BLOB
  • 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.090
  • OF TISSUE YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
  • 00:12:31.090 --> 00:12:32.250
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YET,
  • 00:12:32.250 --> 00:12:33.190
  • THERE'S A GENERATIONAL IMPACT,
  • 00:12:33.190 --> 00:12:34.180
  • BECAUSE NOW SHE'S BROUGHT
  • 00:12:34.180 --> 00:12:35.130
  • ANOTHER CHILD INTO YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:12:35.130 --> 00:12:36.180
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: EXACTLY.
  • 00:12:36.180 --> 00:12:37.090
  • AND I LOOK AT HER AND THINK
  • 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:39.140
  • OF ALL THE THINGS SHE'S DONE.
  • 00:12:39.140 --> 00:12:40.170
  • SHE STARTED A NON-PROFIT
  • 00:12:40.170 --> 00:12:41.210
  • IN HAITI FOR THE ORPHANAGE THERE
  • 00:12:41.210 --> 00:12:43.140
  • BACK WHEN THE EARTHQUAKE
  • 00:12:43.140 --> 00:12:44.070
  • HAPPENED.
  • 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:44.270
  • SHE'S AN RN.
  • 00:12:44.270 --> 00:12:46.010
  • SHE LOVES TO WORK WITH
  • 00:12:46.010 --> 00:12:47.050
  • MENTALLY HANDICAPPED
  • 00:12:47.050 --> 00:12:48.140
  • AND WITH THE ELDERLY.
  • 00:12:48.140 --> 00:12:49.260
  • SHE HAS SUCH A HEART FOR PEOPLE.
  • 00:12:49.260 --> 00:12:51.200
  • AND I LOOK AT HER LIFE.
  • 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.110
  • AND HER HUSBAND SAYS TO ME,
  • 00:12:53.110 --> 00:12:54.180
  • "THANK YOU.
  • 00:12:54.180 --> 00:12:55.280
  • THANK YOU FOR THE CHOICE YOU
  • 00:12:55.280 --> 00:12:56.210
  • MADE."
  • 00:12:56.210 --> 00:12:57.090
  • AND SHE LIKES TO SAY, "HEY,
  • 00:12:57.090 --> 00:12:58.100
  • THANKS FOR NOT KILLING ME, MOM."
  • 00:12:58.100 --> 00:13:00.160
  • WE KIND OF MAKE LIGHT OF IT ALL.
  • 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:02.150
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT THERE'S AN
  • 00:13:02.150 --> 00:13:03.120
  • ENTIRE GENERATION OF AMERICAN
  • 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.190
  • KIDS THAT CAN HONESTLY SAY
  • 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:05.250
  • THEY WERE ABORTION SURVIVORS --
  • 00:13:05.250 --> 00:13:07.090
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: THEY CAN.
  • 00:13:07.090 --> 00:13:08.000
  • MATT HAGEE: -- BECAUSE THERE'S
  • 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:08.280
  • SO MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO DIDN'T
  • 00:13:08.280 --> 00:13:10.260
  • GET THE CHANCE TO EXIST,
  • 00:13:10.260 --> 00:13:12.270
  • BASED ON A DECISION THAT WAS
  • 00:13:12.270 --> 00:13:13.280
  • NEVER EVEN WITHIN THEIR POWER
  • 00:13:13.280 --> 00:13:16.140
  • TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:13:16.140 --> 00:13:18.080
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:18.280
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:13:18.280 --> 00:13:19.230
  • THE TITLE OF YOUR BOOK
  • 00:13:19.230 --> 00:13:20.140
  • "THEY LIED TO US,"
  • 00:13:20.140 --> 00:13:21.080
  • THE MORE I KIND OF CONSIDER
  • 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.090
  • IT IN THE NARRATIVE;
  • 00:13:22.090 --> 00:13:23.290
  • IT'S A VERY DEEP STATEMENT,
  • 00:13:23.290 --> 00:13:26.070
  • BECAUSE THERE'S LIES THAT ARE
  • 00:13:26.070 --> 00:13:28.020
  • TOLD ON THE MEDICAL SIDE.
  • 00:13:28.020 --> 00:13:29.150
  • THERE'S LIES THAT ARE TOLD
  • 00:13:29.150 --> 00:13:30.110
  • ON THE CULTURAL SIDE.
  • 00:13:30.110 --> 00:13:31.250
  • THERE'S LIES THAT ARE TOLD ON
  • 00:13:31.250 --> 00:13:32.250
  • THE RELIGIOUS SIDE; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:13:32.250 --> 00:13:34.180
  • AND WE COULD DISCUSS EACH
  • 00:13:34.180 --> 00:13:36.050
  • AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE
  • 00:13:36.050 --> 00:13:37.160
  • FOR A GREAT DEAL OF TIME.
  • 00:13:37.160 --> 00:13:39.070
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WE'D BE HERE
  • 00:13:39.070 --> 00:13:40.030
  • ALL DAY.
  • 00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:40.230
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:13:40.230 --> 00:13:41.180
  • BUT WHAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:13:41.180 --> 00:13:42.180
  • THAT PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT ABORTION
  • 00:13:42.180 --> 00:13:44.020
  • CLINICS?
  • 00:13:44.020 --> 00:13:45.130
  • YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF
  • 00:13:45.130 --> 00:13:46.100
  • A STERILIZED STATEMENT.
  • 00:13:46.100 --> 00:13:48.040
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SPITE
  • 00:13:48.040 --> 00:13:50.120
  • OF THE VIDEO THAT CAME OUT
  • 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:51.160
  • ABOUT PLANNED PARENTHOOD
  • 00:13:51.160 --> 00:13:52.200
  • AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:53.120
  • DOING WITH THESE CHILDREN.
  • 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.270
  • THEY'RE NOT EVEN FETUSES;
  • 00:13:55.270 --> 00:13:56.260
  • THEIR CHILDREN THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:13:56.260 --> 00:13:57.270
  • SELLING ON THE OPEN MARKET.
  • 00:13:57.270 --> 00:13:58.230
  • WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT YOU
  • 00:13:58.230 --> 00:14:00.080
  • WOULD SAY,
  • 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:00.270
  • "THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE
  • 00:14:00.270 --> 00:14:01.250
  • MISCONCEPTION AND LIE THAT
  • 00:14:01.250 --> 00:14:03.150
  • THERE ARE ABOUT ABORTION
  • 00:14:03.150 --> 00:14:04.110
  • CLINICS"?
  • 00:14:04.110 --> 00:14:05.050
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WELL,
  • 00:14:05.050 --> 00:14:05.260
  • I THINK THE BIGGEST
  • 00:14:05.260 --> 00:14:06.210
  • MISCONCEPTION IS
  • 00:14:06.210 --> 00:14:07.140
  • THEY'RE ABOUT WOMEN,
  • 00:14:07.140 --> 00:14:09.000
  • BECAUSE I DEAL WITH HUNDREDS
  • 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.010
  • OF WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD ABORTIONS.
  • 00:14:11.010 --> 00:14:12.250
  • AND THEN I SEE THE AFTERMATH
  • 00:14:12.250 --> 00:14:14.120
  • OF IT, JUST LIKE MYSELF.
  • 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.030
  • AND WITH ALL THE DECISIONS
  • 00:14:16.030 --> 00:14:17.250
  • I EVEN MADE BECAUSE OF CHOOSING
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:19.040
  • ABORTION,
  • 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:20.050
  • THOSE SYMPTOMS OF POST-ABORTION
  • 00:14:20.050 --> 00:14:22.070
  • SYNDROME,
  • 00:14:22.070 --> 00:14:22.250
  • IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.
  • 00:14:22.250 --> 00:14:24.020
  • AND SO --
  • 00:14:24.020 --> 00:14:24.250
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S LIKE
  • 00:14:24.250 --> 00:14:25.160
  • POST TRAUMATIC STRESS.
  • 00:14:25.160 --> 00:14:26.070
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT
  • 00:14:26.070 --> 00:14:26.290
  • ABSOLUTELY IS.
  • 00:14:26.290 --> 00:14:27.230
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S THE SAME THING
  • 00:14:27.230 --> 00:14:28.160
  • LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMBAT GUYS
  • 00:14:28.160 --> 00:14:29.100
  • ARE GOING THROUGH.
  • 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.060
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT TRULY IS.
  • 00:14:30.060 --> 00:14:31.010
  • AND WHEN I WAS PREGNANT
  • 00:14:31.010 --> 00:14:31.240
  • WITH MY THIRD DAUGHTER,
  • 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:32.200
  • AT SIX WEEKS,
  • 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:33.120
  • WHICH IS HOW FAR ALONG I WAS
  • 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:34.160
  • WHEN I HAD AN ABORTION,
  • 00:14:34.160 --> 00:14:35.210
  • AND SAW THE ULTRASOUND,
  • 00:14:35.210 --> 00:14:37.080
  • THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME
  • 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.080
  • THAT I FELT THIS POP IN MY HEAD,
  • 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.070
  • "THEY LIED TO ME."
  • 00:14:40.070 --> 00:14:41.070
  • AND I STARTED TO WEEP.
  • 00:14:41.070 --> 00:14:42.140
  • AND THE DOCTOR SAID,
  • 00:14:42.140 --> 00:14:43.100
  • "THE BABY'S FINE.
  • 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:44.050
  • WHY ARE YOU SO UPSET?
  • 00:14:44.050 --> 00:14:45.050
  • THIS IS HAPPY.
  • 00:14:45.050 --> 00:14:46.130
  • THERE SHOULD BE HAPPY TEARS,"
  • 00:14:46.130 --> 00:14:47.250
  • BECAUSE HE NOTICED IT WASN'T.
  • 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.130
  • AND I TOLD HIM --
  • 00:14:49.130 --> 00:14:50.190
  • HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE.
  • 00:14:50.190 --> 00:14:52.100
  • I SAID,
  • 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:53.050
  • "WHEN I WAS SIX WEEKS PREGNANT,
  • 00:14:53.050 --> 00:14:54.110
  • THEY TOLD ME THAT WAS A BLOB
  • 00:14:54.110 --> 00:14:55.110
  • OF TISSUE.
  • 00:14:55.110 --> 00:14:56.240
  • THAT'S A BABY."
  • 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.020
  • AND SO NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES,
  • 00:14:58.020 --> 00:14:59.200
  • AT OUR PREGNANCY CENTER BACK
  • 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.000
  • IN THE NASHVILLE AREA,
  • 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.130
  • WOMEN WHO ARE CONSIDERING
  • 00:15:02.130 --> 00:15:03.130
  • ABORTION CHOOSE LIFE AFTER
  • 00:15:03.130 --> 00:15:05.040
  • SEEING THEIR ULTRASOUND.
  • 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:06.290
  • SO IF THEY WOULD ALLOW A WOMAN
  • 00:15:07.170 --> 00:15:10.170
  • TO SEE HER ULTRASOUND
  • 00:15:10.170 --> 00:15:11.180
  • BEFORE HER ABORTION,
  • 00:15:11.180 --> 00:15:13.040
  • I BELIEVE THEIR NUMBERS
  • 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:13.270
  • IN ABORTION CLINICS WOULD
  • 00:15:13.270 --> 00:15:15.070
  • SKYROCKET.
  • 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:15.280
  • THAT'S WHY THEY'RE VERY CAREFUL
  • 00:15:15.280 --> 00:15:16.240
  • NOT TO DO THAT.
  • 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:17.230
  • IT'S A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.
  • 00:15:17.230 --> 00:15:19.150
  • AND THE BIGGEST LIE IS THAT
  • 00:15:19.150 --> 00:15:21.000
  • IT'S ABOUT WOMEN AND HELPING
  • 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:22.160
  • WOMEN.
  • 00:15:22.160 --> 00:15:23.060
  • AND FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT MONEY.
  • 00:15:23.060 --> 00:15:26.000
  • IT'S MORE ABOUT --
  • 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:27.230
  • ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC GAIN.
  • 00:15:27.230 --> 00:15:30.180
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S AN INDUSTRY,
  • 00:15:30.180 --> 00:15:31.120
  • AS YOU SAY.
  • 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:32.040
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT
  • 00:15:32.040 --> 00:15:32.260
  • ABSOLUTELY IS AN INDUSTRY.
  • 00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:33.170
  • MATT HAGEE: THERE'S NOT JUST
  • 00:15:33.170 --> 00:15:34.090
  • THE CLINICS,
  • 00:15:34.090 --> 00:15:34.280
  • BUT THERE'S INDIVIDUALS
  • 00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:35.230
  • SUPPLYING DIFFERENT THINGS
  • 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:36.240
  • TO THE CLINICS AND INDIVIDUALS
  • 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.150
  • AT ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY,
  • 00:15:38.150 --> 00:15:40.000
  • WHO ARE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.
  • 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:41.220
  • AND BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH
  • 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:42.190
  • COMMERCE THAT'S BEING DONE,
  • 00:15:42.190 --> 00:15:44.240
  • THEY CERTAINLY DON'T WANT
  • 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:45.170
  • TO SEE THAT INDUSTRY GO AWAY.
  • 00:15:45.170 --> 00:15:47.030
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: THAT'S VERY
  • 00:15:47.030 --> 00:15:47.250
  • TRUE.
  • 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:48.150
  • MATT HAGEE: ONE MORE LIE
  • 00:15:48.150 --> 00:15:49.100
  • TO DEBUNK FOR US,
  • 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:50.010
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE
  • 00:15:50.010 --> 00:15:51.080
  • WHO'S WATCHING,
  • 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:52.010
  • THEY'VE HAD AN ABORTION
  • 00:15:52.010 --> 00:15:53.080
  • AND THEY BELIEVE NO ONE CAN
  • 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.150
  • EVER KNOW?
  • 00:15:55.150 --> 00:15:57.080
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: I WOULD SAY,
  • 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:58.250
  • TAKE A STEP OF FAITH.
  • 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:00.090
  • BE BRAVE.
  • 00:16:00.090 --> 00:16:01.100
  • AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING
  • 00:16:01.100 --> 00:16:02.130
  • TO THE CHRISTIAN WOMAN,
  • 00:16:02.130 --> 00:16:03.260
  • BECAUSE I'VE MET WOMEN
  • 00:16:03.260 --> 00:16:05.230
  • WHO ARE CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:06.120
  • I'VE MET WOMEN OF ALL FAITHS.
  • 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.090
  • AND THEY JUST NEED SOMEBODY
  • 00:16:08.090 --> 00:16:09.200
  • TO CARE.
  • 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:10.210
  • AND I BELIEVE IF THEY CAN GO TO
  • 00:16:10.210 --> 00:16:12.130
  • A PERSON THEY TRUST
  • 00:16:12.130 --> 00:16:13.100
  • THAT TRULY CARES ABOUT THEM
  • 00:16:13.100 --> 00:16:15.110
  • AND THEY CAN SHARE IT,
  • 00:16:15.110 --> 00:16:16.070
  • ONCE YOU CAN TELL ONE PERSON,
  • 00:16:16.070 --> 00:16:18.230
  • IT JUST -- IT REALLY IS TRUE,
  • 00:16:18.230 --> 00:16:20.220
  • "THE TRUTH SETS YOU FREE."
  • 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:21.260
  • IT'S SO TRUE.
  • 00:16:21.260 --> 00:16:22.290
  • WHEN YOU START TELLING THAT ONE
  • 00:16:22.290 --> 00:16:24.020
  • PERSON, THE NEXT ONE'S EASIER.
  • 00:16:24.020 --> 00:16:25.230
  • AND THEN WHEN THEY DON'T REJECT
  • 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:26.280
  • YOU AND THEY STILL LOVE YOU --
  • 00:16:26.280 --> 00:16:28.210
  • WHEN ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS
  • 00:16:28.210 --> 00:16:30.000
  • FOUND OUT ABOUT ME HAVING --
  • 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.060
  • IT WAS RIGHT WHEN --
  • 00:16:32.060 --> 00:16:32.290
  • BEFORE MY BOOK CAME OUT.
  • 00:16:32.290 --> 00:16:33.220
  • I TOLD THE LORD,
  • 00:16:33.220 --> 00:16:35.020
  • "YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE
  • 00:16:35.020 --> 00:16:35.250
  • MY OLDER GIRLS KNOW.
  • 00:16:35.250 --> 00:16:36.290
  • I CAN'T HAVE A BOOK OUT THERE
  • 00:16:36.290 --> 00:16:38.050
  • ABOUT MY STORY WHEN THEY DON'T
  • 00:16:38.050 --> 00:16:39.050
  • EVEN KNOW."
  • 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:39.290
  • AND IT'S A LONGER STORY.
  • 00:16:39.290 --> 00:16:41.150
  • BUT HE WORKED IT OUT SO THEY
  • 00:16:41.150 --> 00:16:43.210
  • COULD FIND OUT,
  • 00:16:43.210 --> 00:16:44.120
  • MY TWO OLDER GIRLS,
  • 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:45.090
  • BECAUSE I FELT LIKE
  • 00:16:45.090 --> 00:16:46.030
  • THEY NEEDED TO KNOW,
  • 00:16:46.030 --> 00:16:46.230
  • BECAUSE THEY WERE HOME THAT DAY,
  • 00:16:46.230 --> 00:16:47.230
  • WHEN I WENT TO THE ABORTION
  • 00:16:47.230 --> 00:16:48.180
  • CLINIC, WITH THE BABYSITTER.
  • 00:16:48.180 --> 00:16:50.250
  • MY DAUGHTER LOOKED AT ME
  • 00:16:50.250 --> 00:16:51.260
  • WHEN I WAS SOBBING IN MY CAR.
  • 00:16:51.260 --> 00:16:53.070
  • AND SHE CAME OUT AND SAID,
  • 00:16:53.070 --> 00:16:54.030
  • "WHAT'S WRONG?"
  • 00:16:54.030 --> 00:16:55.030
  • AND I SAID, "SOMEONE DIED."
  • 00:16:55.030 --> 00:16:56.260
  • AND SHE SAID,
  • 00:16:56.260 --> 00:16:57.130
  • "OH, MY GOSH, MOMMY.
  • 00:16:57.130 --> 00:16:58.100
  • WHO DIED?
  • 00:16:58.100 --> 00:16:58.290
  • WHO DIED?"
  • 00:16:58.290 --> 00:16:59.160
  • AND SHE WAS ABOUT 15.
  • 00:16:59.160 --> 00:17:01.130
  • AND I SAID,
  • 00:17:01.130 --> 00:17:02.000
  • "I HAVE SOMETHING I NEED
  • 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:02.190
  • TO TELL YOU."
  • 00:17:02.190 --> 00:17:03.210
  • AND I TOLD HER AND SHARED.
  • 00:17:03.210 --> 00:17:04.270
  • AND SHE HELD ME IN HER ARMS
  • 00:17:04.270 --> 00:17:07.020
  • AND SAID, "MOMMY,
  • 00:17:07.020 --> 00:17:08.160
  • JESUS FORGIVES YOU.
  • 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.010
  • I FORGIVE YOU.
  • 00:17:10.010 --> 00:17:11.110
  • I LOVE YOU.
  • 00:17:11.110 --> 00:17:12.060
  • WHY WOULD YOU BE AFRAID TO TELL
  • 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:13.110
  • ME THAT?"
  • 00:17:13.110 --> 00:17:14.120
  • THAT JUST WAS SUCH A MOMENT
  • 00:17:14.120 --> 00:17:17.000
  • OF HEALING FOR ME TO KNOW.
  • 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.070
  • YOU KNOW WHAT MATTERS?
  • 00:17:19.070 --> 00:17:20.010
  • IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER
  • 00:17:20.010 --> 00:17:20.290
  • PEOPLE WANT TO SAY ABOUT ME.
  • 00:17:20.290 --> 00:17:22.160
  • IT MATTERS ABOUT MY FAMILY,
  • 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.020
  • THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE CLOSEST
  • 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:25.070
  • WHO KNOW ME.
  • 00:17:25.070 --> 00:17:26.110
  • AND WHEN THEY LOVED ME AND SAW
  • 00:17:26.110 --> 00:17:28.070
  • ME THROUGH THE HEALING PROCESS,
  • 00:17:28.070 --> 00:17:30.020
  • I MEAN IT WAS LIKE --
  • 00:17:30.020 --> 00:17:30.290
  • I CAN TELL ANYBODY NOW.
  • 00:17:30.290 --> 00:17:32.120
  • AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
  • 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:33.060
  • IT, TAKE IT UP WITH MY FATHER,
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:35.020
  • BECAUSE HE'S GOT MY BACK.
  • 00:17:35.020 --> 00:17:37.220
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL VICTORIA,
  • 00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:38.140
  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING
  • 00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:39.110
  • THE COURAGE TO TAKE THAT STAND,
  • 00:17:39.110 --> 00:17:41.040
  • TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT,
  • 00:17:41.040 --> 00:17:42.200
  • AND TO SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE
  • 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.150
  • SO THAT OTHERS CAN BE LED
  • 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:45.180
  • INTO A LIFESTYLE OF HEALING
  • 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:47.280
  • AND RECOVERY.
  • 00:17:47.280 --> 00:17:49.040
  • AND YOU KNOW THEY MAY HAVE LIED
  • 00:17:49.040 --> 00:17:51.130
  • AT THE CLINIC.
  • 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:52.070
  • THEY MAY HAVE LIED IN TERMS
  • 00:17:52.070 --> 00:17:54.090
  • OF THE SOLUTION TO A CRISIS.
  • 00:17:54.090 --> 00:17:56.060
  • BUT THE ONE WHO HAS NEVER LIED
  • 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:58.010
  • IS THE ONE WHO SAID HE'D
  • 00:17:58.010 --> 00:17:58.250
  • NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU.
  • 00:17:58.250 --> 00:18:00.150
  • HIS NAME IS JESUS.
  • 00:18:00.150 --> 00:18:01.160
  • AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU'VE
  • 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:02.120
  • DONE, HE STILL LOVES YOU.
  • 00:18:02.120 --> 00:18:04.210
  • WHEN WE RETURN,
  • 00:18:04.210 --> 00:18:05.150
  • I'M GOING TO BE SITTING DOWN
  • 00:18:05.150 --> 00:18:06.120
  • WITH THE PRESIDENT OF
  • 00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:07.050
  • THE JUSTICE FOUNDATION,
  • 00:18:07.050 --> 00:18:08.060
  • MR. ALLAN PARKER.
  • 00:18:08.060 --> 00:18:09.050
  • AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE
  • 00:18:09.050 --> 00:18:10.060
  • LEGISLATIVE AND THE POLITICAL
  • 00:18:10.060 --> 00:18:11.170
  • SIDE OF THIS ISSUE
  • 00:18:11.170 --> 00:18:13.020
  • OF THE ABORTION INDUSTRY.
  • 00:18:13.020 --> 00:18:14.060
  • YOU DON'T WANT TO GO AWAY.
  • 00:18:14.060 --> 00:18:15.100
  • IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
  • 00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:15.290
  • DISCUSSION.
  • 00:18:15.290 --> 00:18:16.230
  • YOU'RE WATCHING
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  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:18.180
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:18:21.190 --> 00:18:24.190
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: THE BIBLE
  • 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:27.220
  • SAYS THERE IS A SET TIME
  • 00:18:27.220 --> 00:18:28.270
  • TO HONOR ISRAEL,
  • 00:18:28.270 --> 00:18:30.100
  • AND THAT SET TIME IS RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:18:30.100 --> 00:18:32.140
  • IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME
  • 00:18:32.140 --> 00:18:33.190
  • FOR YOU TO GO TO ISRAEL
  • 00:18:33.190 --> 00:18:35.100
  • TO FEEL THE HEARTBEAT OF GOD,
  • 00:18:35.100 --> 00:18:38.080
  • TO FEEL WHAT GOD FEELS
  • 00:18:38.080 --> 00:18:40.230
  • WHEN HE SEES THIS LAND,
  • 00:18:40.230 --> 00:18:42.260
  • IT'S RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:18:42.260 --> 00:18:44.250
  • JOIN JOHN HAGEE MINISTRIES
  • 00:18:44.250 --> 00:18:46.030
  • ON THIS LIFE-CHANGING
  • 00:18:46.030 --> 00:18:47.080
  • ISRAEL TOUR.
  • 00:18:47.080 --> 00:18:48.090
  • SAVE THE DATE AND PREPARE
  • 00:18:48.090 --> 00:18:49.150
  • FOR AN AMAZING TRIP
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  • OF A LIFETIME.
  • 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:51.180
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:52.200
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.250
  • THIS MONTH FOR A GIFT OF ANY
  • 00:18:54.250 --> 00:18:57.050
  • AMOUNT TO JOHN HAGEE MINISTRIES,
  • 00:18:57.050 --> 00:18:59.080
  • WE WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.090
  • PASTOR HAGEE'S SERMON
  • 00:19:00.090 --> 00:19:01.270
  • "THE ETERNAL QUESTION."
  • 00:19:01.270 --> 00:19:03.230
  • FOR A GIFT OF $100 OR MORE,
  • 00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:05.290
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE THE ENTIRE
  • 00:19:05.290 --> 00:19:07.010
  • "GREAT QUESTIONS OF THE BIBLE"
  • 00:19:07.010 --> 00:19:08.240
  • SERMON SERIES,
  • 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.010
  • ALONG WITH SOME OTHER
  • 00:19:10.010 --> 00:19:10.230
  • GREAT RESOURCES TO HELP YOU
  • 00:19:10.230 --> 00:19:12.020
  • FIND PEACE AND CLARITY
  • 00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:13.170
  • IN THESE TROUBLING TIMES.
  • 00:19:13.170 --> 00:19:14.270
  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: THANK YOU
  • 00:19:14.270 --> 00:19:15.230
  • FOR ALL OF YOUR PRAYERS
  • 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:16.170
  • AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT
  • 00:19:16.170 --> 00:19:17.110
  • OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING
  • 00:19:17.110 --> 00:19:18.110
  • TO REACH THE LOST WITH
  • 00:19:18.110 --> 00:19:19.110
  • THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:19:19.110 --> 00:19:20.290
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
  • 00:19:20.290 --> 00:19:22.060
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/QUESTIONS.
  • 00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:25.140
  • GOING TO FLY AWAY
  • 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.050
  • GRAMMY SINGER AND SONG WRITER,
  • 00:19:27.050 --> 00:19:28.070
  • RICARDO SANCHEZ'
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  • NEW WORSHIP ALBUM
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  • "TASTE AND SEE"
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  • RECORDED LIVE
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  • IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
  • 00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:35.100
  • IT'S A MIRACLE
  • 00:19:35.100 --> 00:19:36.090
  • IT'S NO NOBODY
  • 00:19:36.090 --> 00:19:38.000
  • GLORIFY THE LORD
  • 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.120
  • STRONG AND MIGHTY
  • 00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:41.170
  • STRONG AND MIGHTY
  • 00:19:41.170 --> 00:19:42.260
  • THE ONE WHO IS
  • 00:19:42.260 --> 00:19:43.270
  • THE ONE WHO WILL ALWAYS BE
  • 00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:47.180
  • AVAILABLE NOW.
  • 00:19:47.180 --> 00:19:48.160
  • DOWNLOAD YOUR COPY TODAY
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  • ON ITUNES.
  • 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:50.140
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:19:50.140 --> 00:19:51.140
  • OR SIMPLY GO TO JHM.ORG.
  • 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.240
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:19:56.230 --> 00:19:59.230
  • MATT HAGEE: WELCOME BACK TO
  • 00:19:59.230 --> 00:20:01.020
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:01.200
  • JOINING ME NOW IS ALLAN PARKER.
  • 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.090
  • HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF
  • 00:20:03.090 --> 00:20:04.030
  • THE JUSTICE FOUNDATION.
  • 00:20:04.030 --> 00:20:05.230
  • ALLAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH
  • 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:07.010
  • FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
  • 00:20:07.010 --> 00:20:07.280
  • AND YOU KNOW WHENEVER WE'RE
  • 00:20:07.280 --> 00:20:09.070
  • TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC
  • 00:20:09.070 --> 00:20:09.280
  • OF ABORTION,
  • 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:10.190
  • AND WE HAVE SUCH A POWERFUL
  • 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:11.280
  • TESTIMONY,
  • 00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:12.180
  • AS WE'VE JUST HEARD FROM
  • 00:20:12.180 --> 00:20:13.130
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON,
  • 00:20:13.130 --> 00:20:15.040
  • INDIVIDUALS MIGHT LOOK AT
  • 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:16.050
  • YOURSELF, AND SAY,
  • 00:20:16.050 --> 00:20:17.040
  • "WELL WHY IS HE PASSIONATE
  • 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:18.180
  • ABOUT THIS SUBJECT?"
  • 00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:19.150
  • WHAT IS IT THAT COMPELS YOU
  • 00:20:19.150 --> 00:20:21.010
  • TO BE INVOLVED?
  • 00:20:21.010 --> 00:20:22.230
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL I WOULD SAY
  • 00:20:22.230 --> 00:20:23.170
  • THAT ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO,
  • 00:20:23.170 --> 00:20:25.010
  • THE LORD TOLD US TO BEGIN
  • 00:20:25.010 --> 00:20:26.220
  • TO COLLECT THE TESTIMONIES
  • 00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:28.160
  • OF WOMEN LIKE VICTORIA.
  • 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.190
  • WE NOW HAVE OVER 4.500
  • 00:20:30.190 --> 00:20:33.050
  • LEGALLY ADMISSIBLE WRITTEN
  • 00:20:33.050 --> 00:20:34.210
  • TESTIMONIES OF THE HARM
  • 00:20:34.210 --> 00:20:37.040
  • THAT ABORTION CAUSES TO WOMEN,
  • 00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:39.040
  • BECAUSE IT'S A LIE THAT
  • 00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:40.240
  • WOMAN IS --
  • 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:41.190
  • THAT ABORTION IS GOOD FOR WOMEN.
  • 00:20:41.190 --> 00:20:43.070
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND YOU
  • 00:20:43.070 --> 00:20:44.020
  • MENTIONED THIS LIE.
  • 00:20:44.020 --> 00:20:45.200
  • WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR DIRECT
  • 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.290
  • INVOLVEMENT WITH
  • 00:20:46.290 --> 00:20:47.210
  • ROE VERSUS WADE?
  • 00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:49.020
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
  • 00:20:49.020 --> 00:20:50.200
  • WE HAD THE GREAT HONOR
  • 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:51.200
  • OF REPRESENTING NORMA MCCORVEY,
  • 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.190
  • WHO WAS "THE ROE"
  • 00:20:53.190 --> 00:20:54.160
  • OF ROE V. WADE.
  • 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:55.080
  • THAT WAS HER REAL NAME
  • 00:20:55.080 --> 00:20:56.190
  • FOR TWELVE YEARS.
  • 00:20:56.190 --> 00:20:57.290
  • AND WE REPRESENTED SANDRA CANO,
  • 00:20:57.290 --> 00:21:00.180
  • WHO WAS THE REAL MARY DOE OF
  • 00:21:00.180 --> 00:21:02.230
  • DOE V. BOLTON,
  • 00:21:02.230 --> 00:21:04.020
  • THE COMPANION CASE TO ROE.
  • 00:21:04.020 --> 00:21:06.140
  • SO ROE AND DOE BOTH BECAME BORN
  • 00:21:07.060 --> 00:21:10.060
  • AGAIN CHRISTIANS AND WANTED
  • 00:21:10.060 --> 00:21:12.070
  • TO TAKE THEIR CASES BACK TO
  • 00:21:12.070 --> 00:21:14.130
  • THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
  • 00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:15.240
  • TO SAY, "WE WERE WRONG.
  • 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.030
  • YOU WERE WRONG.
  • 00:21:18.030 --> 00:21:19.120
  • WE NEED TO REVERSE ROE AND DOE.
  • 00:21:19.120 --> 00:21:21.290
  • AND WE NEED TO SAVE LIFE
  • 00:21:21.290 --> 00:21:24.120
  • AND HELP WOMEN,
  • 00:21:24.120 --> 00:21:25.190
  • NOT TAKE THE LIFE OF A CHILD
  • 00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:27.000
  • IN THE WOMB."
  • 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:27.200
  • MATT HAGEE: SO THE
  • 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:28.160
  • ORIGINAL INDIVIDUALS,
  • 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:29.070
  • WHO ARE LISTED IN THE LAWSUIT,
  • 00:21:29.070 --> 00:21:30.120
  • THEY LITERALLY WANTED
  • 00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:31.240
  • TO REVERSE THEIR DECISION
  • 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:33.140
  • IN SOMEWHAT OF A LEGAL
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:34.060
  • TERMINOLOGY.
  • 00:21:34.060 --> 00:21:35.010
  • ALLAN PARKER: EXACTLY.
  • 00:21:35.010 --> 00:21:35.210
  • FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY,
  • 00:21:35.210 --> 00:21:36.280
  • TWO WOMEN,
  • 00:21:36.280 --> 00:21:37.170
  • WHO WON LANDMARK SUPREME COURT
  • 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:39.000
  • DECISIONS,
  • 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:39.240
  • WANTED TO REVERSE THOSE
  • 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:40.240
  • DECISIONS.
  • 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:41.200
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:42.110
  • AND WHY HASN'T THAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:21:42.110 --> 00:21:43.250
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
  • 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:44.190
  • I BELIEVE THE SUPREME COURT HAS
  • 00:21:44.190 --> 00:21:45.200
  • HARDENED ITS HEART.
  • 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.040
  • UM, I THINK IT'S
  • 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:48.160
  • A SPIRITUAL ISSUE.
  • 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.160
  • I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
  • 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.170
  • MORE CHRISTIANS PRAYING
  • 00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:51.280
  • FOR THE SUPREME COURT,
  • 00:21:51.280 --> 00:21:53.140
  • PRAYING THAT THIS COVENANT
  • 00:21:53.140 --> 00:21:54.220
  • WITH DEATH,
  • 00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:55.230
  • THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE GRAVE
  • 00:21:55.230 --> 00:21:57.090
  • THAT WAS ENTERED INTO
  • 00:21:57.090 --> 00:21:58.090
  • BY OUR HIGHEST COURT,
  • 00:21:58.090 --> 00:21:59.260
  • WILL BE OVERTURNED.
  • 00:21:59.260 --> 00:22:01.270
  • AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE PROMISE
  • 00:22:01.270 --> 00:22:03.000
  • THAT THE LORD GAVE US
  • 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:04.020
  • 17 YEARS AGO WHEN HE TOLD US TO
  • 00:22:04.020 --> 00:22:05.240
  • COLLECT THE WOMEN'S TESTIMONIES
  • 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.090
  • AND TAKE THEM BACK
  • 00:22:07.090 --> 00:22:08.010
  • TO THE COURT.
  • 00:22:08.010 --> 00:22:08.240
  • MATT HAGEE: AND SO WHEN YOU
  • 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:09.200
  • COLLECT THESE TESTIMONIES AND
  • 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:10.240
  • YOU TAKE THEM BACK TO COURT,
  • 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:11.260
  • WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE HOPING
  • 00:22:11.260 --> 00:22:12.220
  • TO ACCOMPLISH LEGISLATIVELY?
  • 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:14.210
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
  • 00:22:14.210 --> 00:22:15.130
  • ULTIMATELY THE COMPLETE AND
  • 00:22:15.130 --> 00:22:16.230
  • TOTAL REVERSAL OF ROE V. WADE,
  • 00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:19.000
  • AND DOE V. BOLTON,
  • 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.080
  • AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD V. CASEY,
  • 00:22:20.080 --> 00:22:22.280
  • WHICH IN 1992,
  • 00:22:22.280 --> 00:22:24.140
  • WEAKENED ROE AND DOE,
  • 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:26.190
  • BUT DIDN'T QUITE ELIMINATE
  • 00:22:26.190 --> 00:22:27.270
  • THEM.
  • 00:22:27.270 --> 00:22:28.140
  • THEY GAVE US WAITING PERIODS
  • 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:29.240
  • AND INFORMED CONSENT.
  • 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.080
  • IT ALLOWED US TO HAVE STATUTES,
  • 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:33.200
  • FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TELL A WOMAN,
  • 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:35.120
  • "ABORTION IS THE TAKING OF
  • 00:22:35.120 --> 00:22:36.200
  • A LIFE, OF A SEPARATE,
  • 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.020
  • LIVING, UNIQUE HUMAN BEING."
  • 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:40.110
  • THAT'S BEEN UPHELD
  • 00:22:40.110 --> 00:22:41.010
  • BY THE COURTS.
  • 00:22:41.010 --> 00:22:41.270
  • THAT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT
  • 00:22:41.270 --> 00:22:42.240
  • WHAT ABORTION DOES.
  • 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:44.060
  • BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T
  • 00:22:44.060 --> 00:22:45.060
  • COMPLETELY REVERSED IT.
  • 00:22:45.060 --> 00:22:46.170
  • BUT I THINK IN THE NEXT TWO
  • 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:47.200
  • TO THREE YEARS,
  • 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.060
  • IN GOD'S TIMING
  • 00:22:49.060 --> 00:22:51.010
  • WITH THE ELECTION OR NOMINATION,
  • 00:22:51.010 --> 00:22:52.270
  • THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP,
  • 00:22:52.270 --> 00:22:54.000
  • AND NEIL GORSUCH, AND OTHERS,
  • 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.110
  • WHO ARE GOING TO BE PUT
  • 00:22:55.110 --> 00:22:56.050
  • ON THE COURT,
  • 00:22:56.050 --> 00:22:56.280
  • WE'RE GOING TO SEE ROE V. WADE
  • 00:22:56.280 --> 00:22:57.290
  • REVERSED.
  • 00:22:57.290 --> 00:22:58.190
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:22:58.190 --> 00:22:59.120
  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE CHANGING
  • 00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:01.000
  • TIDE OF POLITICS.
  • 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.000
  • THERE'S A PENDULUM SWING THAT
  • 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:03.080
  • TAKES SOMETHING BACK TOWARDS
  • 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:04.150
  • WHAT SOME MIGHT CALL
  • 00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:05.150
  • "THE RIGHT" OR "CONSERVATIVE."
  • 00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:07.040
  • BUT UNTIL THIS MATTER IS
  • 00:23:07.040 --> 00:23:09.120
  • RESOLVED, WE STILL HAVE GROUND
  • 00:23:10.090 --> 00:23:13.090
  • TO EITHER GAIN
  • 00:23:13.090 --> 00:23:14.160
  • OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T
  • 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.200
  • LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IS WE COULD
  • 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.250
  • STILL LOSE GROUND.
  • 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:18.080
  • THERE IS AN AGENDA OUT THERE
  • 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:19.200
  • THAT WANTS TO TAKE ABORTION
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  • EVEN FURTHER THAN WHAT ALREADY
  • 00:23:20.250 --> 00:23:22.070
  • EXISTS.
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  • WHAT DOES THAT AGENDA LOOK LIKE
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  • AND HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT
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  • AMERICA?
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  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
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  • THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS
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  • COMMITTED TO TOTAL ABORTION
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  • ON DEMAND AND WITHOUT APOLOGY,
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  • AND AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.
  • 00:23:31.170 --> 00:23:34.010
  • THE STATE OF OREGON JUST
  • 00:23:34.010 --> 00:23:34.290
  • ADOPTED A LAW LIKE THAT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IN OREGON,
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  • IT IS LITERALLY THE CASE THAT
  • 00:23:37.110 --> 00:23:38.280
  • IF AN INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO HAVE
  • 00:23:38.280 --> 00:23:40.190
  • AN ABORTION,
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  • THE TAXPAYERS OF THE STATE
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:43.160
  • SHOULD FULLY FUND THE COST
  • 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.020
  • OF THAT.
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  • ALLAN PARKER: THAT IS EXACTLY
  • 00:23:45.260 --> 00:23:46.220
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:23:46.220 --> 00:23:47.150
  • AND THAT'S THE DREAM OF -- AND
  • 00:23:47.150 --> 00:23:49.110
  • I DON'T WANT TO GET POLITICAL.
  • 00:23:49.110 --> 00:23:50.140
  • BUT THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
  • 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:51.190
  • PLATFORM,
  • 00:23:51.190 --> 00:23:52.260
  • SO THAT'S WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
  • 00:23:52.260 --> 00:23:54.060
  • THE REPUBLICAN PARTY,
  • 00:23:54.060 --> 00:23:55.030
  • ON THE OTHER HAND, SAYS
  • 00:23:55.030 --> 00:23:56.000
  • ROE V. WADE SHOULD BE REVERSED.
  • 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.270
  • AND THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION
  • 00:23:57.270 --> 00:23:59.070
  • FOR WOMEN TODAY.
  • 00:23:59.070 --> 00:24:00.200
  • IN ALL 50 STATES,
  • 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.100
  • NO WOMAN HAS TO TAKE CARE OF
  • 00:24:02.100 --> 00:24:03.220
  • A CHILD IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO.
  • 00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:05.200
  • EVERY STATE HAS WHAT'S KNOWN
  • 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:07.000
  • AS A "SAFE HAVEN LAW."
  • 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:08.200
  • SHE CAN TURN HER BABY OVER TO
  • 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:10.120
  • THE STATE WITHIN A SHORT TIME
  • 00:24:10.120 --> 00:24:11.240
  • AFTER BIRTH, USUALLY 30, 60,
  • 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.160
  • OR 90 DAYS, AND SAY,
  • 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:14.290
  • "I DON'T WANT THIS CHILD.
  • 00:24:14.290 --> 00:24:15.290
  • I CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS
  • 00:24:15.290 --> 00:24:16.240
  • CHILD," WHATEVER REASON.
  • 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.090
  • AND SOCIETY WILL THEN SAY,
  • 00:24:18.090 --> 00:24:19.270
  • "WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THEIR
  • 00:24:19.270 --> 00:24:20.220
  • CHILD."
  • 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:21.220
  • AND THERE ARE MILLIONS
  • 00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:22.140
  • OF PEOPLE WAITING TO ADOPT
  • 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:24.080
  • HEALTHY NEWBORN INFANTS,
  • 00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:25.270
  • WHO WOULD BE GLAD TO BE PARENTS
  • 00:24:25.270 --> 00:24:27.110
  • FOR THOSE CHILDREN.
  • 00:24:27.110 --> 00:24:28.060
  • MATT HAGEE: SO BOTTOM LINE,
  • 00:24:28.060 --> 00:24:29.000
  • THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION
  • 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:30.100
  • THAN THAT WHICH IS SO EASILY
  • 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:32.100
  • ACCEPTED AS ABORTION.
  • 00:24:32.100 --> 00:24:33.240
  • YOU'VE COLLECTED 4500
  • 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.110
  • TESTIMONIES.
  • 00:24:35.110 --> 00:24:36.190
  • OUT OF THOSE TESTIMONIES,
  • 00:24:36.190 --> 00:24:37.180
  • WHAT'S THE COMMON THREAD
  • 00:24:37.180 --> 00:24:38.220
  • THAT YOU HEAR?
  • 00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:40.130
  • ALLAN PARKER: THEY LIED TO ME.
  • 00:24:40.130 --> 00:24:41.150
  • THEY JUST TOLD ME IT WAS A MASS
  • 00:24:41.150 --> 00:24:42.150
  • OF TISSUE.
  • 00:24:42.150 --> 00:24:43.080
  • AND THEN IT BEGINS A DOWNWARD
  • 00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:44.240
  • PATTERN OF ABUSE.
  • 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.160
  • VICTORIA MENTIONED SOME
  • 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.180
  • OF THE THINGS.
  • 00:24:47.180 --> 00:24:48.210
  • YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WORTHLESS.
  • 00:24:48.210 --> 00:24:50.110
  • WHAT KIND OF A MOTHER
  • 00:24:50.110 --> 00:24:51.130
  • COULD I BE TO MY NEXT CHILD?
  • 00:24:51.130 --> 00:24:53.110
  • YOU CAN HAVE PROBLEMS OF OVER
  • 00:24:53.110 --> 00:24:54.230
  • PROTECTION OF YOUR CHILDREN
  • 00:24:54.230 --> 00:24:56.080
  • OR ATTACHMENT PROBLEMS WHERE YOU
  • 00:24:56.080 --> 00:24:58.190
  • DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THEM.
  • 00:24:58.190 --> 00:24:59.260
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S AN
  • 00:24:59.260 --> 00:25:00.240
  • INSTABILITY.
  • 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:02.020
  • ALLAN PARKER: THE SCIENTIFIC
  • 00:25:02.020 --> 00:25:02.280
  • LITERATURE AND THE TESTIMONIES
  • 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:04.110
  • DOCUMENT DEPRESSION, SUICIDE.
  • 00:25:04.130 --> 00:25:07.130
  • THE BRITISH JOURNAL OF
  • 00:25:07.130 --> 00:25:08.070
  • PSYCHIATRY DID AN ARTICLE
  • 00:25:08.070 --> 00:25:09.230
  • BY PATRICIA COLEMAN.
  • 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:11.010
  • WOMEN WHO HAVE AN ABORTION HAVE
  • 00:25:11.010 --> 00:25:12.090
  • AN 81% INCREASED RISK
  • 00:25:12.090 --> 00:25:14.280
  • OF ADVERSE EMOTIONAL HEALTH
  • 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:16.120
  • CONSEQUENCES.
  • 00:25:16.120 --> 00:25:17.160
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW ONE
  • 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:18.160
  • OF THE REAL WORDS THAT KIND
  • 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.130
  • OF BOWLS IT ALL UP IS
  • 00:25:20.130 --> 00:25:21.080
  • "IMMENSE REGRET."
  • 00:25:21.080 --> 00:25:23.070
  • I KNOW A LOT OF YOUNG LADIES
  • 00:25:23.070 --> 00:25:26.000
  • AND A LOT OF WOMEN WHO MAKE
  • 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.180
  • THE STATEMENT,
  • 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:28.070
  • "I'M SO GLAD I CHOSE TO KEEP
  • 00:25:28.070 --> 00:25:29.260
  • MY BABY."
  • 00:25:29.260 --> 00:25:31.100
  • I'VE NEVER MET ONE THAT SAID,
  • 00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:32.290
  • "I AM SO GLAD I CHOSE TO TAKE
  • 00:25:32.290 --> 00:25:34.230
  • THE LIFE OF MY CHILD BEFORE IT
  • 00:25:34.230 --> 00:25:36.050
  • WAS BORN."
  • 00:25:36.050 --> 00:25:36.270
  • ALLAN PARKER: NO.
  • 00:25:36.270 --> 00:25:37.200
  • MATT HAGEE: I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE.
  • 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.160
  • ALLAN PARKER: AND THIS CAN BE
  • 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.140
  • DECADES OF KEEPING THE SECRET,
  • 00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:41.080
  • AS VICTORIA SAID.
  • 00:25:41.080 --> 00:25:42.190
  • BUT THERE ARE MANY
  • 00:25:42.190 --> 00:25:43.270
  • POST-ABORTION RECOVERY
  • 00:25:43.270 --> 00:25:46.020
  • MINISTRIES IN AMERICA.
  • 00:25:46.020 --> 00:25:47.170
  • GOD IS PREPARING AMERICA
  • 00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:49.030
  • FOR A HEALING CRY.
  • 00:25:49.030 --> 00:25:51.040
  • AND WOMEN AND MEN,
  • 00:25:51.040 --> 00:25:52.220
  • WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED
  • 00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:53.180
  • IN ABORTION,
  • 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:54.120
  • BECAUSE NO WOMAN GETS PREGNANT
  • 00:25:54.120 --> 00:25:55.160
  • WITHOUT A MAN.
  • 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:56.270
  • WE'RE AT FAULT.
  • 00:25:56.270 --> 00:25:57.230
  • WE'RE RESPONSIBLE.
  • 00:25:57.230 --> 00:25:59.080
  • IN FACT, I ASKED WOMEN WHO WERE
  • 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:00.180
  • ABANDONED BY THEIR MEN
  • 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:01.260
  • AND THEIR HUSBANDS,
  • 00:26:01.260 --> 00:26:03.090
  • LIKE VICTORIA'S WAS,
  • 00:26:03.090 --> 00:26:05.050
  • TO FORGIVE MEN.
  • 00:26:05.050 --> 00:26:07.110
  • BUT TO GET THE HELP THAT'S
  • 00:26:07.110 --> 00:26:08.120
  • NEEDED,
  • 00:26:08.120 --> 00:26:09.100
  • YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE
  • 00:26:09.100 --> 00:26:10.080
  • YOUR SIN, ASK GOD FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:12.050
  • GO THROUGH GRIEF PROCESSING.
  • 00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:15.000
  • THERE MAY BE ANGER ISSUES,
  • 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.180
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE MAD AT YOURSELF,
  • 00:26:16.180 --> 00:26:17.220
  • YOU'RE MAD AT OTHERS.
  • 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:18.290
  • WOMEN SAY,
  • 00:26:18.290 --> 00:26:19.230
  • "WELL GOD MIGHT FORGIVE ME
  • 00:26:19.230 --> 00:26:20.220
  • BUT I'LL NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF."
  • 00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:22.240
  • YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO ACCEPT
  • 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:23.290
  • THE FORGIVENESS OF GOD ONCE YOU
  • 00:26:23.290 --> 00:26:25.150
  • ASK FOR IT, AND REPENT.
  • 00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:27.070
  • HE WANTS TO GIVE THAT TO YOU.
  • 00:26:27.070 --> 00:26:28.170
  • HE WANTS TO HEAL YOU.
  • 00:26:28.170 --> 00:26:30.110
  • THERE CAN BE EMOTIONAL ISSUES
  • 00:26:30.110 --> 00:26:31.290
  • WITH THE FAMILY NETWORK.
  • 00:26:31.290 --> 00:26:33.280
  • A LOT OF TIMES,
  • 00:26:33.280 --> 00:26:34.170
  • IF YOU'RE A MARRIED WOMAN
  • 00:26:34.170 --> 00:26:35.150
  • AND HAVE AN ABORTION,
  • 00:26:35.150 --> 00:26:36.180
  • IT DOES RESULT IN DIVORCE.
  • 00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:38.180
  • YOU HAVE AN ABORTION;
  • 00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:39.250
  • YOU HATE THIS MAN WHO MADE YOU
  • 00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:40.290
  • DO IT.
  • 00:26:40.290 --> 00:26:41.190
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:26:41.190 --> 00:26:42.110
  • YOU KNOW THERE'S SO MANY ANGLES
  • 00:26:42.110 --> 00:26:43.120
  • TO THIS STORY THAT THE
  • 00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:44.050
  • NARRATIVE COULD GO ON AND ON.
  • 00:26:44.050 --> 00:26:46.020
  • THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THIS;
  • 00:26:46.020 --> 00:26:47.150
  • THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US A CHOICE
  • 00:26:47.150 --> 00:26:48.260
  • TO MAKE.
  • 00:26:48.260 --> 00:26:49.240
  • THE CHOICE IS LIFE OR DEATH,
  • 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:51.270
  • BLESSINGS OR CURSES.
  • 00:26:51.270 --> 00:26:53.270
  • I ASSURE YOU,
  • 00:26:53.270 --> 00:26:54.220
  • WHEN YOU CHOOSE LIFE,
  • 00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:55.290
  • YOU ARE CHOOSING A BLESSING
  • 00:26:55.290 --> 00:26:57.010
  • THAT ONLY COMES FROM GOD.
  • 00:26:57.010 --> 00:26:58.170
  • I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY
  • 00:26:58.170 --> 00:26:59.110
  • ONE OF YOU FOR CHOOSING TO JOIN
  • 00:26:59.110 --> 00:27:00.230
  • US TODAY ON "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:02.190
  • I WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS,
  • 00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:03.250
  • ALLAN PARKER
  • 00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:04.130
  • AND VICTORIA ROBINSON.
  • 00:27:04.130 --> 00:27:05.190
  • AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW
  • 00:27:05.190 --> 00:27:06.180
  • IF YOU LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE
  • 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:07.180
  • BEFORE MEN,
  • 00:27:07.180 --> 00:27:08.130
  • YOU WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE
  • 00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:09.180
  • IN A DARK GENERATION.
  • 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.270
  • GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:27:10.270 --> 00:27:11.140
  • WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN VERY SOON.
  • 00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:13.010
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:23.040
  • MUSIC
  • 00:27:25.280 --> 00:27:28.280