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February 23, 2018
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Matthew Hagee

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  • MUSIC
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  • PLEASE WELCOME
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  • MATT AND KENDAL HAGEE.
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  • MUSIC
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO AND WELCOME
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  • TO "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY
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  • INTIMATE AND IMPORTANT SUBJECT.
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  • THE SUBJECT IS "ABORTION"
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  • AND THE AFFECTS IT HAS.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: PSALM 34:17
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  • THROUGH 18 SAYS,
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  • "THE RIGHTEOUS CRY OUT.
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  • THE LORD HEARS THEM.
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  • HE DELIVERS THEM FROM ALL
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  • THEIR TROUBLES.
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  • THE LORD IS CLOSE TO THE BROKEN
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  • HEARTED AND SAVES THOSE WHO ARE
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  • CRUSHED IN SPIRIT."
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  • MATT HAGEE: THIS ISSUE
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  • OF ABORTION HAS INDEED
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  • BEEN A HEARTBREAKING SUBJECT
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  • FOR MANY GENERATIONS
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  • HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
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  • POLITICALLY, IT'S CONSIDERED
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  • ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL
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  • TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSS
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  • IN THE NATION TODAY.
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  • HOWEVER, THERE ARE IMPACTS
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  • AND AFFECTS THAT IT'S HAD
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  • ON WOMEN AND FAMILIES
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  • THAT YOU MIGHT NOT EVER
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  • GET TO HEAR ABOUT.
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  • TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE
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  • DISCUSSING SOME OF THOSE
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  • IMPACTS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN
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  • DO TOGETHER TO HELP SOLVE
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  • THIS PROBLEM.
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  • YOU KNOW HERE AT JOHN HAGEE
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  • MINISTRIES,
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  • WE'VE OFTEN STATED
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  • THAT IT'S ONE THING TO SEE EVIL
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  • AND NOT CALL IT EVIL.
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  • IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SEE EVIL
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  • AND NOT ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
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  • WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT
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  • AT THE SANCTUARY OF HOPE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: WE'RE SO EXCITED
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  • TO BE OPENING IN A COUPLE
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  • OF MONTHS.
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  • MATT HAGEE: THE SANCTUARY
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  • OF HOPE IS A FACILITY
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  • WHERE UNWED MOTHERS,
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  • WHO ARE FACING A VERY DIFFICULT
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  • CIRCUMSTANCE,
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  • GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME
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  • AND GIVE A CHILD A LIFE SENTENCE
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  • INSTEAD OF A DEATH SENTENCE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • AFTER THE BREAK,
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  • WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS
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  • DISCUSSION WITH
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON,
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  • WHO YOU MAY KNOW FROM THE HIT
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  • REALITY SERIES
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  • "PREACHER'S DAUGHTERS."
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  • YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS.
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  • YOU'RE WATCHING
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  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • FROM MATT HAGEE
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  • COMES A REVEALING LOOK
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  • AT PREPARING FOR THE END
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  • OF THE WORLD,
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  • "YOUR GUIDE TO THE APOCALYPSE,"
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  • REASSURING FOR THOSE THAT
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  • BELIEVE.
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  • EYE OPENING FOR THOSE
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  • THAT DON'T.
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  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: THERE'S ABOUT
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  • TO BE AN UNVEILING.
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  • THE CURTAIN IS GOING TO BE
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  • PULLED BACK.
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  • THE APOCALYPSE IS ABOUT
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  • TO OCCUR.
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  • ARE YOU READY?
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  • A BOOK BOTH YOU
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  • AND YOUR LOVED ONES
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  • NEED TO READ.
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  • ORDER NOW.
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  • CALL OR VISIT US AT JHM.ORG.
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  • WHETHER YOU ARE NEWLY MARRIED
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  • OR CELEBRATING A MILESTONE
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  • ANNIVERSARY,
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  • GOD DESIRES YOUR MARRIAGE
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  • TO PROSPER.
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  • THIS MONTH FOR YOUR GIFT
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  • OF ANY AMOUNT,
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  • JOHN HAGEE MINISTRIES
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  • WILL SEND YOU
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  • "THE RESURRECTION OF ROMANCE"
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  • CD OR DVD.
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  • AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF $100
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  • OR MORE,
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  • YOU WILL RECEIVE
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  • "THE RESURRECTION OF ROMANCE"
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  • SERIES,
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  • AND "WHAT EVERY MAN WANTS
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  • IN A WOMAN AND WHAT EVERY WOMAN
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  • WANTS IN A MAN" HARD-COVER BOOK.
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
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  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/ROMANCE.
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: VICTORIA ROBINSON
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  • IS AN AUTHOR,
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  • PUBLIC SPEAKER,
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  • NON-PROFIT EXECUTIVE,
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  • AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY,
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  • MOTHER OF FIVE AND GRANDMOTHER
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  • OF ONE.
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  • PLEASE HELP US WELCOME
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON
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  • TO "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • (APPLAUSE)
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  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO.
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  • HOW ARE YOU?
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: GOOD.
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  • HOW ARE YOU?
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S SO GOOD TO
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  • HAVE YOU HERE.
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: NICE TO BE
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  • HERE.
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  • HEY, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
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  • MATT HAGEE: TODAY WE'RE HAVING
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  • A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION
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  • ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ABORTION.
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  • AND YOU KNOW SO OFTEN
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  • IT'S DISCUSSED AS A SOLUTION.
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  • BUT AFTER THAT DECISION,
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  • THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT
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  • INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
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  • AND YOU'VE COVERED MANY OF THEM
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  • IN THE BOOK THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN
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  • "THEY LIED TO US;
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  • SHARING THE SISTERHOOD OF GRIEF
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  • AND RECOVERY AFTER ABORTION."
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  • WHAT LED YOU TO TELL THIS TALE?
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WELL,
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  • I'M A POST-ABORTIVE WOMAN.
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  • UM, THIRTY YEARS AGO,
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  • I MADE THE CHOICE TO HAVE
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  • AN ABORTION WHEN I WAS SIX WEEKS
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  • PREGNANT.
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  • AND I WAS A SINGLE MOTHER WITH
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  • TWO YOUNG GIRLS AT HOME
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  • AND WAS STRUGGLING.
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  • THEIR FATHER HAD BASICALLY
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  • ABANDONED US.
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  • SO I WAS ALREADY IN A VERY
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  • CRISIS SITUATION
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  • WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS PREGNANT.
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  • AND MY BOYFRIEND AT THE TIME
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  • TOLD ME, YOU KNOW,
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  • "WE NEED TO HAVE AN ABORTION.
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  • WE CAN HAVE KIDS LATER."
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  • AND I BELIEVED HIM THAT WE WOULD
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  • GET MARRIED ONE DAY
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  • AND HAVE KIDS.
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  • AND JUST THE TIMING
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  • WASN'T RIGHT.
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  • AND I LET HIM CONVINCE ME THAT
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  • THAT WAS TRUE.
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  • AND I LET THE WOMAN AT
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  • THE ABORTION CLINIC CONVINCE ME
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  • THAT WAS TRUE.
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  • SO AT SIX WEEK'S PREGNANT,
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  • I WENT ON A SATURDAY MORNING
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  • AND DROVE MYSELF TO A CLINIC
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  • IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA,
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  • AND HAD AN ABORTION.
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  • AND WHEN I WALKED OUT,
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  • I KNEW IMMEDIATELY MY LIFE
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  • WAS NEVER GOING TO BE THE SAME.
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  • IT'S INTERESTING HOW BEFORE
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  • WHEN YOU'RE IN A CRISIS AND YOU
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  • NEED TO HEAR THE THINGS LIKE,
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  • "YOU CAN'T HAVE A BABY
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  • RIGHT NOW,"
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  • "WHAT WILL PEOPLE THINK;
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  • YOU'RE NOT MARRIED,"
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  • "YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TWO KIDS
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  • YOU CAN BARELY TAKE CARE OF,"
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  • YOU CONVINCE YOURSELF
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  • IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
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  • BUT THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS,
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  • THE VOICES IN THE ELEVATOR
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  • WERE SAYING TO ME,
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  • "GOSH, WHAT KIND OF WOMAN
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  • KILLS HER OWN BABY?"
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  • "WHAT KIND OF WOMAN ARE YOU
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  • THAT NOBODY'S EVER GOING
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  • TO WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
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  • WITH YOU?"
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  • "YOU NEVER DESERVE HAPPINESS
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  • AGAIN FOR WHAT YOU'VE
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  • JUST DONE."
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  • SO I KNEW IMMEDIATELY
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  • THAT MY LIFE HAD CHANGED,
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  • AND IT HAD.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG
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  • FOR THE SWITCH TO FLIP,
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  • SO TO SPEAK.
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT DIDN'T.
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  • AND SO THE ENEMY'S GOOD
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  • AT THAT.
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  • HE PUTS SIN RIGHT IN YOUR FACE
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  • VERY SUBTLY AND MAKES IT
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  • LOOK GOOD,
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  • AND LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S THE SOLUTION
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  • TO A CRISIS --
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: EXACTLY.
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  • MATT HAGEE: -- THAT TURNS INTO
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  • AN ABSOLUTE CRISIS OF ITS OWN.
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  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • AND SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH
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  • 13 YEARS OF NEVER SHARING
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  • MY SECRET WITH ANYBODY,
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  • BEING INVOLVED IN WOMEN'S
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  • MINISTRY,
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  • LEADING WORSHIP FOR A CHURCH
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  • OF 5.000 PEOPLE,
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  • HEAVILY INVOLVED IN WOMEN'S
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  • MINISTRY.
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  • BUT I KEPT MY SECRET,
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  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF THEY KNOW,
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  • THEY'LL KICK ME OFF
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  • THE WORSHIP TEAM.
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  • THEY WON'T ALLOW ME TO MINISTER
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  • TO THESE WOMEN.
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  • AND WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING
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  • WAS MOST OF THE WOMEN WHO HAD
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  • HAD ABORTIONS IN OUR CONFERENCES
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  • OR AT CHURCH WOULD FIND ME FOR
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  • WHATEVER REASON -- I KNOW NOW.
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  • -- AND TELL ME THEIR SECRET;
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  • BUT YET, NOBODY KNEW MY SECRET.
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  • AND I WOULD GET ANGRY WITH GOD.
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  • I WENT THROUGH THIS PHASE OF
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  • BEING VERY MAD AT GOD, SAYING,
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  • "WHY DO YOU KEEP TORTURING ME
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  • WITH THESE WOMEN'S STORIES?
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  • ARE YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE
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  • TO REMIND ME WHAT I DID?"
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  • BUT HE WASN'T.
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  • IT WAS WHEN HE -- IT WAS THE
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  • HEALING PROCESS WAS STARTING.
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  • I CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE THAT
  • 00:06:12.090 --> 00:06:13.100
  • NOW.
  • 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:14.040
  • SO THE REASON I WANTED TO WRITE
  • 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.080
  • THE BOOK WAS BECAUSE I MET SO
  • 00:06:15.080 --> 00:06:17.150
  • MANY WOMEN THAT HAD EXPERIENCED
  • 00:06:17.150 --> 00:06:19.120
  • THE SAME GUILT AND SHAME
  • 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.230
  • THAT I HAD.
  • 00:06:20.230 --> 00:06:21.230
  • AND I WANTED THEM TO TELL
  • 00:06:21.230 --> 00:06:23.000
  • THEIR STORIES AND KNOW THAT GOD
  • 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.080
  • FORGIVES FOR ALL SIN;
  • 00:06:24.080 --> 00:06:25.250
  • THAT ABORTION IS NOT THE SIN
  • 00:06:25.250 --> 00:06:27.050
  • THAT'S THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.
  • 00:06:27.050 --> 00:06:29.050
  • AND I WANTED THEM TO KNOW
  • 00:06:29.050 --> 00:06:30.070
  • THERE WAS REDEMPTION.
  • 00:06:30.070 --> 00:06:31.120
  • IT TOOK ME 13 YEARS TO FIND IT.
  • 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.190
  • AND I FOUND IT THROUGH
  • 00:06:33.190 --> 00:06:34.150
  • A PREGNANCY CENTER.
  • 00:06:34.150 --> 00:06:35.210
  • I WENT TO A CRISIS PREGNANCY
  • 00:06:35.210 --> 00:06:36.220
  • CENTER TO VOLUNTEER.
  • 00:06:36.220 --> 00:06:38.120
  • THE DIRECTOR THERE KEPT
  • 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.210
  • PURSUING ME TO GET INVOLVED
  • 00:06:39.210 --> 00:06:41.030
  • BECAUSE I HAD A REALLY GOOD
  • 00:06:41.030 --> 00:06:42.000
  • REPORT WITH YOUNG WOMEN.
  • 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.160
  • AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, GOD,
  • 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.110
  • MORE TORTURE.
  • 00:06:45.110 --> 00:06:46.060
  • YOU WANT TO PUT ME AT A
  • 00:06:46.060 --> 00:06:47.010
  • PREGNANCY CENTER SO EVERY DAY I
  • 00:06:47.010 --> 00:06:48.230
  • CAN BE REMINDED OF MY ABORTION.
  • 00:06:49.020 --> 00:06:52.020
  • AND WHEN I WENT THROUGH
  • 00:06:52.020 --> 00:06:53.090
  • THE VOLUNTEER TRAINING,
  • 00:06:53.090 --> 00:06:54.080
  • THAT'S WHEN MORE HEALING BEGAN.
  • 00:06:54.080 --> 00:06:56.080
  • AND SIX MONTHS INTO FOLDING
  • 00:06:56.080 --> 00:06:57.200
  • BABY CLOTHES AND OTHER
  • 00:06:57.200 --> 00:07:00.020
  • VOLUNTEERS TRYING TO PUSH ME
  • 00:07:00.020 --> 00:07:01.150
  • IN THE DIRECTION OF DOING
  • 00:07:01.150 --> 00:07:02.160
  • COUNSELING,
  • 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:03.070
  • I KNEW I HADN'T FOUND
  • 00:07:03.070 --> 00:07:04.080
  • MY OWN HEALING,
  • 00:07:04.080 --> 00:07:05.120
  • SO I HAD NO BUSINESS COUNSELING
  • 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.170
  • ANYONE CONSIDERING ABORTION.
  • 00:07:06.170 --> 00:07:08.230
  • BUT WHEN I WENT TO THE DIRECTOR
  • 00:07:08.230 --> 00:07:10.030
  • AND SAID,
  • 00:07:10.030 --> 00:07:11.000
  • "I NEED TO TELL YOU A SECRET;
  • 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:12.190
  • I HAD AN ABORTION."
  • 00:07:12.190 --> 00:07:13.270
  • SHE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID,
  • 00:07:13.270 --> 00:07:15.080
  • "I KNOW."
  • 00:07:15.080 --> 00:07:16.140
  • AND I SAID, "WHAT IS IT;
  • 00:07:16.140 --> 00:07:17.060
  • TATTOOED ON MY HEAD?
  • 00:07:17.060 --> 00:07:18.240
  • HOW DO YOU KNOW?"
  • 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.040
  • MATT HAGEE: HIPAA.
  • 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:20.230
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: YEAH,
  • 00:07:20.230 --> 00:07:21.120
  • REALLY.
  • 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:22.010
  • SHE SAID, "I'VE KNOWN.
  • 00:07:22.010 --> 00:07:23.040
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT SHARED THAT
  • 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:24.010
  • WITH ME.
  • 00:07:24.010 --> 00:07:24.220
  • AND I'VE JUST BEEN WAITING
  • 00:07:24.220 --> 00:07:25.170
  • FOR YOU TO COME AND TELL ME.
  • 00:07:25.170 --> 00:07:27.030
  • AND NOW YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE
  • 00:07:27.030 --> 00:07:28.290
  • WHAT GOD'S GOING TO DO."
  • 00:07:28.290 --> 00:07:29.250
  • AND SHE IMMEDIATELY PUT ME
  • 00:07:29.250 --> 00:07:30.260
  • IN POST-ABORTION RECOVERY,
  • 00:07:30.260 --> 00:07:33.110
  • AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE.
  • 00:07:33.110 --> 00:07:34.100
  • AND NOW I'VE BEEN --
  • 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:35.080
  • I NOW CONDUCT POST-ABORTION
  • 00:07:35.080 --> 00:07:37.000
  • RECOVERY RETREATS,
  • 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:38.220
  • SPEAK ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:40.110
  • THE BOOK IS NOW
  • 00:07:40.110 --> 00:07:41.030
  • IN ITS FOURTH PRINT.
  • 00:07:41.030 --> 00:07:42.170
  • I'VE MET COUNTLESS NUMBERS
  • 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:43.290
  • OF WOMEN.
  • 00:07:43.290 --> 00:07:45.010
  • AND MY CHILD DID NOT DIE
  • 00:07:45.010 --> 00:07:46.070
  • IN VAIN.
  • 00:07:46.070 --> 00:07:47.000
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.000
  • YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WOMEN
  • 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:49.220
  • YOU'VE MET --
  • 00:07:49.220 --> 00:07:51.020
  • WHAT'S THE DISTRIBUTION INSIDE
  • 00:07:51.020 --> 00:07:52.180
  • THE CHURCH/OUTSIDE THE CHURCH?
  • 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:54.000
  • BECAUSE YOU KNOW A LOT
  • 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.050
  • OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:07:55.050 --> 00:07:55.240
  • THEY WANT TO CATEGORIZE THIS
  • 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.140
  • AS AN ABSOLUTE SECULARIZED AND
  • 00:07:57.140 --> 00:07:59.280
  • CARNAL HUMANISTIC BEHAVIOR.
  • 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:02.000
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: THEY DO.
  • 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:02.170
  • MATT HAGEE: NOW GRANT IT,
  • 00:08:02.170 --> 00:08:03.180
  • THERE'S A WHOLE LOT
  • 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:04.190
  • OF SELFISHNESS THAT GOES
  • 00:08:04.190 --> 00:08:05.230
  • INTO THAT DECISION
  • 00:08:05.230 --> 00:08:06.230
  • FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
  • 00:08:06.230 --> 00:08:07.270
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: RIGHT.
  • 00:08:07.270 --> 00:08:08.180
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT IT'S NOT IMMUNE
  • 00:08:08.180 --> 00:08:10.050
  • TO ONE CLASS OR QUANTITY
  • 00:08:10.050 --> 00:08:12.100
  • OR GROUP OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:08:12.100 --> 00:08:13.160
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT IS NOT.
  • 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:14.070
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S WIDESPREAD.
  • 00:08:14.070 --> 00:08:15.050
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: OH,
  • 00:08:15.050 --> 00:08:15.280
  • ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:16.210
  • ONE OUT OF FOUR WOMEN IN THIS
  • 00:08:16.210 --> 00:08:17.180
  • COUNTRY HAS HAD AN ABORTION.
  • 00:08:17.180 --> 00:08:18.220
  • THEY'RE SITTING IN YOUR CHURCH
  • 00:08:18.220 --> 00:08:19.130
  • EVERY WEEK.
  • 00:08:19.130 --> 00:08:20.020
  • MATT HAGEE: IF YOU DO A HEAD
  • 00:08:20.020 --> 00:08:20.280
  • COUNT AT THE CONGREGATION,
  • 00:08:20.280 --> 00:08:21.210
  • THERE'S WOMEN
  • 00:08:21.210 --> 00:08:22.190
  • IN THE CONGREGATION.
  • 00:08:22.190 --> 00:08:23.170
  • AND YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T ALL
  • 00:08:23.170 --> 00:08:26.090
  • FIND THEMSELVES UNWED
  • 00:08:26.090 --> 00:08:28.010
  • AND PREGNANT.
  • 00:08:28.010 --> 00:08:28.230
  • SOME OF THEM JUST CONSIDERED
  • 00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:29.250
  • THIS TO BE A WAY OF --
  • 00:08:29.250 --> 00:08:31.000
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: SOME OF THEM
  • 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:31.190
  • ARE MARRIED.
  • 00:08:31.190 --> 00:08:32.120
  • SOME OF THE WOMEN I'VE MET
  • 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.040
  • WERE MARRIED.
  • 00:08:33.040 --> 00:08:33.240
  • SOME OF THEM ARE PASTOR'S WIVES.
  • 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:34.260
  • SOME ARE PASTOR'S DAUGHTERS.
  • 00:08:34.260 --> 00:08:36.100
  • THEY CAN'T --
  • 00:08:36.100 --> 00:08:37.150
  • PASTORS THAT I HAVE MET,
  • 00:08:37.150 --> 00:08:38.260
  • WHO DROVE THEIR DAUGHTERS TO
  • 00:08:38.260 --> 00:08:39.260
  • HAVE ABORTIONS OUT INTO ANOTHER
  • 00:08:39.260 --> 00:08:41.190
  • STATE BECAUSE IF THE CHURCH
  • 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:43.110
  • FINDS OUT...
  • 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:44.070
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:08:44.070 --> 00:08:45.020
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: YOU KNOW
  • 00:08:45.020 --> 00:08:45.270
  • AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:08:45.270 --> 00:08:46.190
  • I'VE SEEN, UNFORTUNATELY,
  • 00:08:46.190 --> 00:08:47.220
  • IS THE CHURCH WILL SHOOT
  • 00:08:47.220 --> 00:08:48.280
  • THEIR WOUNDED.
  • 00:08:48.280 --> 00:08:49.290
  • AND WOMEN DON'T FEEL SAFE
  • 00:08:49.290 --> 00:08:52.100
  • AT SOME CHURCHES TO BE ABLE
  • 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:53.220
  • TO EXPRESS, "I HAD AN ABORTION;
  • 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:55.230
  • I NEED HELP,"
  • 00:08:55.230 --> 00:08:56.170
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE SO AFRAID
  • 00:08:56.170 --> 00:08:57.220
  • LIKE I WAS, TO BE OSTRACIZED
  • 00:08:57.220 --> 00:09:00.190
  • AND TO BE CONDEMNED AND JUDGED.
  • 00:09:00.190 --> 00:09:02.220
  • AND WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THAT
  • 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:04.080
  • ON OURSELVES AS A POST-ABORTIVE
  • 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:05.160
  • WOMAN.
  • 00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:06.130
  • I DON'T NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME
  • 00:09:06.130 --> 00:09:08.030
  • MY DECISION WAS TERRIBLE.
  • 00:09:08.030 --> 00:09:09.090
  • I KNOW IT WAS TERRIBLE.
  • 00:09:09.090 --> 00:09:10.250
  • BUT I DO NEED TO LET WOMEN KNOW
  • 00:09:10.250 --> 00:09:12.210
  • THERE'S REDEMPTION AND THAT GOD
  • 00:09:12.210 --> 00:09:15.020
  • DOESN'T THINK I'M SO TERRIBLE.
  • 00:09:15.020 --> 00:09:16.170
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:09:16.170 --> 00:09:17.080
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: SO NOW
  • 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:18.020
  • I'M ABLE TO SHARE MY STORY.
  • 00:09:18.020 --> 00:09:19.170
  • BEFORE, IN THAT 13 YEARS
  • 00:09:19.170 --> 00:09:22.050
  • OF WALKING AROUND GUILTY
  • 00:09:22.050 --> 00:09:23.200
  • AND SHAMEFUL,
  • 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.120
  • AND GETTING INVOLVED
  • 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:25.090
  • IN RELATIONSHIPS THAT WERE
  • 00:09:25.090 --> 00:09:26.220
  • VERY ABUSIVE AND NOT --
  • 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:28.170
  • AND VERY TOXIC, BECAUSE
  • 00:09:28.170 --> 00:09:29.270
  • I THOUGHT I DESERVED IT --
  • 00:09:29.270 --> 00:09:31.050
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU FELT THAT WAS
  • 00:09:31.050 --> 00:09:32.060
  • PART OF YOUR PUNISHMENT.
  • 00:09:32.060 --> 00:09:33.050
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:09:33.050 --> 00:09:33.260
  • IT WAS PART OF MY PUNISHMENT.
  • 00:09:33.260 --> 00:09:34.230
  • AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:34.230 --> 00:09:36.040
  • WHO AM I TO ASK TO BE HAPPY?
  • 00:09:36.040 --> 00:09:38.100
  • BUT THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS,
  • 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:39.240
  • I COULDN'T EVEN LOOK IN MY
  • 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.050
  • BATHROOM MIRROR ALONE,
  • 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.120
  • AND SAY, "YOU HAD AN ABORTION."
  • 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.210
  • I COULDN'T EVEN GET THE WORDS
  • 00:09:46.210 --> 00:09:47.140
  • OUT.
  • 00:09:47.140 --> 00:09:48.080
  • AND NOW,
  • 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:49.080
  • I AM TRAVELING ALL OVER
  • 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:50.020
  • THE COUNTRY TELLING EVERYBODY.
  • 00:09:50.020 --> 00:09:52.010
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YOU HAVE
  • 00:09:52.010 --> 00:09:52.200
  • FOUR BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS.
  • 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:53.110
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: I HAVE
  • 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:54.060
  • FOUR BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS.
  • 00:09:54.060 --> 00:09:54.260
  • I HAVE FOUR GRANDCHILDREN.
  • 00:09:54.260 --> 00:09:56.090
  • MATT HAGEE: WOW.
  • 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:57.050
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: I HAVE
  • 00:09:57.050 --> 00:09:57.270
  • AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER.
  • 00:09:57.270 --> 00:09:59.200
  • A THREE-MONTH --
  • 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:00.220
  • A THREE-WEEK OLD --
  • 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:01.120
  • A THREE-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON,
  • 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.010
  • A THREE-MONTH-OLD,
  • 00:10:03.010 --> 00:10:04.010
  • AND A SIX-MONTH-OLD GRANDSON.
  • 00:10:04.010 --> 00:10:06.060
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S HAPPENING
  • 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:07.060
  • QUICK.
  • 00:10:07.060 --> 00:10:07.260
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT IS
  • 00:10:07.260 --> 00:10:08.160
  • HAPPENING QUICK.
  • 00:10:08.160 --> 00:10:09.050
  • SO THREE OF MY FOUR GIRLS
  • 00:10:09.050 --> 00:10:09.280
  • ARE MARRIED.
  • 00:10:09.280 --> 00:10:10.190
  • THEY MARRIED AMAZING MEN.
  • 00:10:10.190 --> 00:10:11.190
  • AND UH, I'VE GOT
  • 00:10:11.190 --> 00:10:13.000
  • SUCH AN INCREDIBLE FAMILY.
  • 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.060
  • GOD HAS TRULY BLESSED MY LIFE
  • 00:10:14.060 --> 00:10:16.130
  • IN A WAY I WOULD HAVE NEVER
  • 00:10:16.130 --> 00:10:18.040
  • THOUGHT POSSIBLE FROM MY PAST,
  • 00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:20.090
  • FROM THE PAST THAT I HAVE
  • 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:21.230
  • BUT HE HAS.
  • 00:10:21.230 --> 00:10:22.140
  • HE'S TAKEN THIS GIRL AND TURNED
  • 00:10:22.140 --> 00:10:24.160
  • WHAT THE ENEMY MEANT FOR EVIL
  • 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:26.040
  • AND TURNED IT TO GOOD.
  • 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:27.120
  • KENDAL HAGEE: AND YOU ALSO,
  • 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:28.110
  • WITH YOUR THIRD DAUGHTER,
  • 00:10:28.110 --> 00:10:29.130
  • WASN'T THERE ANOTHER SITUATION
  • 00:10:29.130 --> 00:10:30.180
  • THAT CAME UP IN YOUR LIFE THAT
  • 00:10:30.180 --> 00:10:31.260
  • YOU THOUGHT THIS IS THE ANSWER
  • 00:10:31.260 --> 00:10:34.150
  • TO GO BACK AGAIN.
  • 00:10:34.150 --> 00:10:35.050
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WELL,
  • 00:10:35.050 --> 00:10:35.270
  • IT WAS MY SECOND DAUGHTER.
  • 00:10:35.270 --> 00:10:36.190
  • WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH HER,
  • 00:10:36.190 --> 00:10:37.270
  • AND I WAS MARRIED,
  • 00:10:37.270 --> 00:10:39.020
  • HER FATHER BASICALLY SAID,
  • 00:10:39.020 --> 00:10:40.260
  • "HAVE AN ABORTION OR I'M GOING
  • 00:10:40.260 --> 00:10:41.230
  • TO DIVORCE YOU."
  • 00:10:41.230 --> 00:10:43.000
  • AND I SAID, "BUT WE'RE MARRIED.
  • 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.050
  • MARRIED PEOPLE DON'T HAVE
  • 00:10:45.050 --> 00:10:45.260
  • ABORTIONS," WHICH THEY DO.
  • 00:10:45.260 --> 00:10:47.210
  • BUT HE SAID,
  • 00:10:47.210 --> 00:10:48.100
  • "YOU KNOW IT'S JUST A BLOB
  • 00:10:48.100 --> 00:10:49.080
  • OF TISSUE.
  • 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:50.000
  • THAT'S WHAT THAT WOMAN AT
  • 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:50.280
  • THE ABORTION CLINIC TOLD YOU.
  • 00:10:50.280 --> 00:10:52.250
  • AND IF YOU WANT TO STAY MARRIED
  • 00:10:52.250 --> 00:10:53.260
  • TO ME, HAVE AN ABORTION."
  • 00:10:53.260 --> 00:10:55.090
  • SO THIS WENT ON FOR A COUPLE
  • 00:10:55.090 --> 00:10:56.080
  • OF WEEKS.
  • 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.070
  • I MADE AN APPOINTMENT AT
  • 00:10:57.070 --> 00:10:58.280
  • A CLINIC IN CHARLOTTE,
  • 00:10:58.280 --> 00:10:59.250
  • NORTH CAROLINA ONCE AGAIN,
  • 00:10:59.250 --> 00:11:00.280
  • THE SAME CLINIC.
  • 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:02.060
  • AND UM, THE MORNING OF,
  • 00:11:02.060 --> 00:11:04.040
  • I LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID,
  • 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:05.210
  • "SO WAIT.
  • 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:06.210
  • IF I DON'T GO THROUGH
  • 00:11:06.210 --> 00:11:07.210
  • WITH THIS --"
  • 00:11:07.210 --> 00:11:08.090
  • AND HE WASN'T DRIVING ME.
  • 00:11:08.090 --> 00:11:09.080
  • HE HAD A SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT HE
  • 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:10.090
  • COULDN'T MISS.
  • 00:11:10.090 --> 00:11:11.200
  • I HAD TO HAVE A FRIEND TAKE ME.
  • 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.230
  • SO SHE WAS WAITING
  • 00:11:13.230 --> 00:11:14.160
  • IN THE DRIVEWAY TO TAKE ME.
  • 00:11:14.160 --> 00:11:15.090
  • MATT HAGEE: PRIORITIES WERE
  • 00:11:15.090 --> 00:11:16.040
  • SOMETHING.
  • 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:16.230
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:17.140
  • HE WAS -- I KNOW HOW TO PICK
  • 00:11:17.140 --> 00:11:18.070
  • THEM.
  • 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:19.020
  • UM, SO I WAS STANDING
  • 00:11:19.020 --> 00:11:21.070
  • AT THE DOOR,
  • 00:11:21.070 --> 00:11:21.280
  • AND TURNED AND LOOKED AT HIM
  • 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:22.270
  • STANDING AT THE TOP
  • 00:11:22.270 --> 00:11:23.170
  • OF THE STAIRS.
  • 00:11:23.170 --> 00:11:24.110
  • AND I SAID,
  • 00:11:24.110 --> 00:11:25.170
  • "IF I DON'T WALK OUT THIS DOOR
  • 00:11:25.170 --> 00:11:27.050
  • AND GO AND HAVE THIS ABORTION,
  • 00:11:27.050 --> 00:11:29.270
  • YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING
  • 00:11:29.270 --> 00:11:30.230
  • TO LEAVE ME?"
  • 00:11:30.230 --> 00:11:31.100
  • AND OUR DAUGHTER WAS TWO
  • 00:11:31.100 --> 00:11:32.160
  • AT THE TIME.
  • 00:11:32.160 --> 00:11:33.070
  • AND HE SAID, "THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:11:33.070 --> 00:11:34.260
  • YOU EITHER DO IT OR I'M OUT
  • 00:11:34.260 --> 00:11:35.260
  • OF HERE."
  • 00:11:35.260 --> 00:11:37.050
  • HE KNEW FROM MY BACKGROUND
  • 00:11:37.050 --> 00:11:38.110
  • FROM DIVORCE WITH MY PARENTS,
  • 00:11:38.110 --> 00:11:39.190
  • I DIDN'T WANT TO EVER
  • 00:11:39.190 --> 00:11:40.220
  • GO THROUGH A DIVORCE.
  • 00:11:40.220 --> 00:11:41.280
  • MATT HAGEE: SO IT WAS
  • 00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:42.210
  • MANIPULATION.
  • 00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:43.120
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT WAS.
  • 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.040
  • AND I LOOKED AT HIM,
  • 00:11:44.040 --> 00:11:44.240
  • AND SAID, "THEN YOU NEED
  • 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:45.290
  • TO START PACKING.
  • 00:11:45.290 --> 00:11:47.070
  • I CAN'T DO IT."
  • 00:11:47.070 --> 00:11:48.140
  • SO SHE IS 32,
  • 00:11:48.140 --> 00:11:50.010
  • JUST HAD HER FIRST CHILD.
  • 00:11:50.010 --> 00:11:51.190
  • HE'S THREE MONTHS OLD.
  • 00:11:51.190 --> 00:11:53.000
  • AND SHE TRAVELS WITH ME AS WELL.
  • 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.180
  • AND I LOVE TO SHOW THE TANGIBLE
  • 00:11:54.180 --> 00:11:56.180
  • EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS NOT
  • 00:11:56.180 --> 00:11:57.280
  • A BLOB OF TISSUE.
  • 00:11:57.280 --> 00:11:59.060
  • AND IF SO,
  • 00:11:59.060 --> 00:12:00.110
  • IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BLOB
  • 00:12:00.110 --> 00:12:01.120
  • OF TISSUE YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
  • 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.280
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YET,
  • 00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:03.220
  • THERE'S A GENERATIONAL IMPACT,
  • 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:04.210
  • BECAUSE NOW SHE'S BROUGHT
  • 00:12:04.210 --> 00:12:05.160
  • ANOTHER CHILD INTO YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:12:05.160 --> 00:12:06.210
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: EXACTLY.
  • 00:12:06.210 --> 00:12:07.120
  • AND I LOOK AT HER AND THINK
  • 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.170
  • OF ALL THE THINGS SHE'S DONE.
  • 00:12:09.170 --> 00:12:10.200
  • SHE STARTED A NON-PROFIT
  • 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.240
  • IN HAITI FOR THE ORPHANAGE THERE
  • 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.170
  • BACK WHEN THE EARTHQUAKE
  • 00:12:13.170 --> 00:12:14.100
  • HAPPENED.
  • 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:15.000
  • SHE'S AN RN.
  • 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:16.040
  • SHE LOVES TO WORK WITH
  • 00:12:16.040 --> 00:12:17.080
  • MENTALLY HANDICAPPED
  • 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:18.170
  • AND WITH THE ELDERLY.
  • 00:12:18.170 --> 00:12:19.290
  • SHE HAS SUCH A HEART FOR PEOPLE.
  • 00:12:19.290 --> 00:12:21.230
  • AND I LOOK AT HER LIFE.
  • 00:12:21.230 --> 00:12:23.140
  • AND HER HUSBAND SAYS TO ME,
  • 00:12:23.140 --> 00:12:24.210
  • "THANK YOU.
  • 00:12:24.210 --> 00:12:26.010
  • THANK YOU FOR THE CHOICE YOU
  • 00:12:26.010 --> 00:12:26.240
  • MADE."
  • 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:27.120
  • AND SHE LIKES TO SAY, "HEY,
  • 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:28.130
  • THANKS FOR NOT KILLING ME, MOM."
  • 00:12:28.130 --> 00:12:30.170
  • WE KIND OF MAKE LIGHT OF IT ALL.
  • 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:32.160
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT THERE'S AN
  • 00:12:32.160 --> 00:12:33.130
  • ENTIRE GENERATION OF AMERICAN
  • 00:12:33.130 --> 00:12:34.200
  • KIDS THAT CAN HONESTLY SAY
  • 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:35.260
  • THEY WERE ABORTION SURVIVORS --
  • 00:12:35.260 --> 00:12:37.100
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: THEY CAN.
  • 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:38.010
  • MATT HAGEE: -- BECAUSE THERE'S
  • 00:12:38.010 --> 00:12:38.290
  • SO MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO DIDN'T
  • 00:12:38.290 --> 00:12:40.270
  • GET THE CHANCE TO EXIST,
  • 00:12:40.270 --> 00:12:42.280
  • BASED ON A DECISION THAT WAS
  • 00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:43.290
  • NEVER EVEN WITHIN THEIR POWER
  • 00:12:43.290 --> 00:12:46.150
  • TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:12:46.150 --> 00:12:48.090
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:12:48.090 --> 00:12:48.290
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:12:48.290 --> 00:12:49.240
  • THE TITLE OF YOUR BOOK
  • 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:50.150
  • "THEY LIED TO US,"
  • 00:12:50.150 --> 00:12:51.090
  • THE MORE I KIND OF CONSIDER
  • 00:12:51.090 --> 00:12:52.100
  • IT IN THE NARRATIVE;
  • 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:54.000
  • IT'S A VERY DEEP STATEMENT,
  • 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.080
  • BECAUSE THERE'S LIES THAT ARE
  • 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.030
  • TOLD ON THE MEDICAL SIDE.
  • 00:12:58.030 --> 00:12:59.160
  • THERE'S LIES THAT ARE TOLD
  • 00:12:59.160 --> 00:13:00.140
  • ON THE CULTURAL SIDE.
  • 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:01.280
  • THERE'S LIES THAT ARE TOLD ON
  • 00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:02.280
  • THE RELIGIOUS SIDE; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:13:02.280 --> 00:13:04.210
  • AND WE COULD DISCUSS EACH
  • 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:06.080
  • AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE
  • 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:07.190
  • FOR A GREAT DEAL OF TIME.
  • 00:13:07.190 --> 00:13:09.100
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WE'D BE HERE
  • 00:13:09.100 --> 00:13:10.060
  • ALL DAY.
  • 00:13:10.060 --> 00:13:10.260
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:13:10.260 --> 00:13:11.210
  • BUT WHAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:13:11.210 --> 00:13:12.210
  • THAT PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT ABORTION
  • 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:14.050
  • CLINICS?
  • 00:13:14.050 --> 00:13:15.160
  • YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF
  • 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:16.130
  • A STERILIZED STATEMENT.
  • 00:13:16.130 --> 00:13:18.070
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SPITE
  • 00:13:18.070 --> 00:13:20.150
  • OF THE VIDEO THAT CAME OUT
  • 00:13:20.150 --> 00:13:21.190
  • ABOUT PLANNED PARENTHOOD
  • 00:13:21.190 --> 00:13:22.230
  • AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:13:22.230 --> 00:13:23.150
  • DOING WITH THESE CHILDREN.
  • 00:13:23.150 --> 00:13:26.000
  • THEY'RE NOT EVEN FETUSES;
  • 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:26.290
  • THEIR CHILDREN THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:13:26.290 --> 00:13:28.000
  • SELLING ON THE OPEN MARKET.
  • 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:28.260
  • WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT YOU
  • 00:13:28.260 --> 00:13:30.090
  • WOULD SAY,
  • 00:13:30.090 --> 00:13:30.280
  • "THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE
  • 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:31.260
  • MISCONCEPTION AND LIE THAT
  • 00:13:31.260 --> 00:13:33.160
  • THERE ARE ABOUT ABORTION
  • 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:34.120
  • CLINICS"?
  • 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:35.060
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: WELL,
  • 00:13:35.060 --> 00:13:35.270
  • I THINK THE BIGGEST
  • 00:13:35.270 --> 00:13:36.220
  • MISCONCEPTION IS
  • 00:13:36.220 --> 00:13:37.150
  • THEY'RE ABOUT WOMEN,
  • 00:13:37.150 --> 00:13:39.010
  • BECAUSE I DEAL WITH HUNDREDS
  • 00:13:39.010 --> 00:13:41.020
  • OF WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD ABORTIONS.
  • 00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:42.260
  • AND THEN I SEE THE AFTERMATH
  • 00:13:42.260 --> 00:13:44.130
  • OF IT, JUST LIKE MYSELF.
  • 00:13:44.130 --> 00:13:46.040
  • AND WITH ALL THE DECISIONS
  • 00:13:46.040 --> 00:13:47.260
  • I EVEN MADE BECAUSE OF CHOOSING
  • 00:13:47.260 --> 00:13:49.050
  • ABORTION,
  • 00:13:49.050 --> 00:13:50.060
  • THOSE SYMPTOMS OF POST-ABORTION
  • 00:13:50.060 --> 00:13:52.080
  • SYNDROME,
  • 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:52.260
  • IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.
  • 00:13:52.260 --> 00:13:54.030
  • AND SO --
  • 00:13:54.030 --> 00:13:54.260
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S LIKE
  • 00:13:54.260 --> 00:13:55.170
  • POST TRAUMATIC STRESS.
  • 00:13:55.170 --> 00:13:56.080
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT
  • 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:57.000
  • ABSOLUTELY IS.
  • 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:57.240
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S THE SAME THING
  • 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.170
  • LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMBAT GUYS
  • 00:13:58.170 --> 00:13:59.110
  • ARE GOING THROUGH.
  • 00:13:59.110 --> 00:14:00.090
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT TRULY IS.
  • 00:14:00.090 --> 00:14:01.040
  • AND WHEN I WAS PREGNANT
  • 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:01.270
  • WITH MY THIRD DAUGHTER,
  • 00:14:01.270 --> 00:14:02.230
  • AT SIX WEEKS,
  • 00:14:02.230 --> 00:14:03.150
  • WHICH IS HOW FAR ALONG I WAS
  • 00:14:03.150 --> 00:14:04.190
  • WHEN I HAD AN ABORTION,
  • 00:14:04.190 --> 00:14:05.240
  • AND SAW THE ULTRASOUND,
  • 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.110
  • THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME
  • 00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:08.110
  • THAT I FELT THIS POP IN MY HEAD,
  • 00:14:08.110 --> 00:14:10.100
  • "THEY LIED TO ME."
  • 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:11.100
  • AND I STARTED TO WEEP.
  • 00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:12.170
  • AND THE DOCTOR SAID,
  • 00:14:12.170 --> 00:14:13.130
  • "THE BABY'S FINE.
  • 00:14:13.130 --> 00:14:14.080
  • WHY ARE YOU SO UPSET?
  • 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.080
  • THIS IS HAPPY.
  • 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:16.160
  • THERE SHOULD BE HAPPY TEARS,"
  • 00:14:16.160 --> 00:14:17.280
  • BECAUSE HE NOTICED IT WASN'T.
  • 00:14:17.280 --> 00:14:19.160
  • AND I TOLD HIM --
  • 00:14:19.160 --> 00:14:20.220
  • HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE.
  • 00:14:20.220 --> 00:14:22.130
  • I SAID,
  • 00:14:22.130 --> 00:14:23.080
  • "WHEN I WAS SIX WEEKS PREGNANT,
  • 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:24.140
  • THEY TOLD ME THAT WAS A BLOB
  • 00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:25.140
  • OF TISSUE.
  • 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:26.270
  • THAT'S A BABY."
  • 00:14:26.270 --> 00:14:28.050
  • AND SO NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES,
  • 00:14:28.050 --> 00:14:29.230
  • AT OUR PREGNANCY CENTER BACK
  • 00:14:29.230 --> 00:14:31.010
  • IN THE NASHVILLE AREA,
  • 00:14:31.010 --> 00:14:32.140
  • WOMEN WHO ARE CONSIDERING
  • 00:14:32.140 --> 00:14:33.140
  • ABORTION CHOOSE LIFE AFTER
  • 00:14:33.140 --> 00:14:35.050
  • SEEING THEIR ULTRASOUND.
  • 00:14:35.050 --> 00:14:37.000
  • SO IF THEY WOULD ALLOW A WOMAN
  • 00:14:37.180 --> 00:14:40.180
  • TO SEE HER ULTRASOUND
  • 00:14:40.180 --> 00:14:41.190
  • BEFORE HER ABORTION,
  • 00:14:41.190 --> 00:14:43.050
  • I BELIEVE THEIR NUMBERS
  • 00:14:43.050 --> 00:14:43.280
  • IN ABORTION CLINICS WOULD
  • 00:14:43.280 --> 00:14:45.080
  • SKYROCKET.
  • 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:45.290
  • THAT'S WHY THEY'RE VERY CAREFUL
  • 00:14:45.290 --> 00:14:46.250
  • NOT TO DO THAT.
  • 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:47.240
  • IT'S A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.
  • 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.160
  • AND THE BIGGEST LIE IS THAT
  • 00:14:49.160 --> 00:14:51.010
  • IT'S ABOUT WOMEN AND HELPING
  • 00:14:51.010 --> 00:14:52.170
  • WOMEN.
  • 00:14:52.170 --> 00:14:53.070
  • AND FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT MONEY.
  • 00:14:53.070 --> 00:14:56.010
  • IT'S MORE ABOUT --
  • 00:14:56.010 --> 00:14:57.240
  • ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC GAIN.
  • 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.210
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S AN INDUSTRY,
  • 00:15:00.210 --> 00:15:01.150
  • AS YOU SAY.
  • 00:15:01.150 --> 00:15:02.070
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: IT
  • 00:15:02.070 --> 00:15:02.290
  • ABSOLUTELY IS AN INDUSTRY.
  • 00:15:02.290 --> 00:15:03.200
  • MATT HAGEE: THERE'S NOT JUST
  • 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:04.120
  • THE CLINICS,
  • 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:05.010
  • BUT THERE'S INDIVIDUALS
  • 00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:05.260
  • SUPPLYING DIFFERENT THINGS
  • 00:15:05.260 --> 00:15:06.270
  • TO THE CLINICS AND INDIVIDUALS
  • 00:15:06.270 --> 00:15:08.180
  • AT ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY,
  • 00:15:08.180 --> 00:15:10.030
  • WHO ARE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.
  • 00:15:10.030 --> 00:15:11.250
  • AND BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH
  • 00:15:11.250 --> 00:15:12.220
  • COMMERCE THAT'S BEING DONE,
  • 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:14.270
  • THEY CERTAINLY DON'T WANT
  • 00:15:14.270 --> 00:15:15.200
  • TO SEE THAT INDUSTRY GO AWAY.
  • 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.060
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: THAT'S VERY
  • 00:15:17.060 --> 00:15:17.280
  • TRUE.
  • 00:15:17.280 --> 00:15:18.180
  • MATT HAGEE: ONE MORE LIE
  • 00:15:18.180 --> 00:15:19.130
  • TO DEBUNK FOR US,
  • 00:15:19.130 --> 00:15:20.040
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE
  • 00:15:20.040 --> 00:15:21.110
  • WHO'S WATCHING,
  • 00:15:21.110 --> 00:15:22.040
  • THEY'VE HAD AN ABORTION
  • 00:15:22.040 --> 00:15:23.110
  • AND THEY BELIEVE NO ONE CAN
  • 00:15:23.110 --> 00:15:25.180
  • EVER KNOW?
  • 00:15:25.180 --> 00:15:27.110
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON: I WOULD SAY,
  • 00:15:27.110 --> 00:15:28.280
  • TAKE A STEP OF FAITH.
  • 00:15:28.280 --> 00:15:30.100
  • BE BRAVE.
  • 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:31.110
  • AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING
  • 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:32.140
  • TO THE CHRISTIAN WOMAN,
  • 00:15:32.140 --> 00:15:33.270
  • BECAUSE I'VE MET WOMEN
  • 00:15:33.270 --> 00:15:35.240
  • WHO ARE CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:36.130
  • I'VE MET WOMEN OF ALL FAITHS.
  • 00:15:36.130 --> 00:15:38.100
  • AND THEY JUST NEED SOMEBODY
  • 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:39.210
  • TO CARE.
  • 00:15:39.210 --> 00:15:40.220
  • AND I BELIEVE IF THEY CAN GO TO
  • 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:42.140
  • A PERSON THEY TRUST
  • 00:15:42.140 --> 00:15:43.110
  • THAT TRULY CARES ABOUT THEM
  • 00:15:43.110 --> 00:15:45.120
  • AND THEY CAN SHARE IT,
  • 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.080
  • ONCE YOU CAN TELL ONE PERSON,
  • 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.240
  • IT JUST -- IT REALLY IS TRUE,
  • 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.230
  • "THE TRUTH SETS YOU FREE."
  • 00:15:50.230 --> 00:15:51.270
  • IT'S SO TRUE.
  • 00:15:51.270 --> 00:15:53.000
  • WHEN YOU START TELLING THAT ONE
  • 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:54.030
  • PERSON, THE NEXT ONE'S EASIER.
  • 00:15:54.030 --> 00:15:55.240
  • AND THEN WHEN THEY DON'T REJECT
  • 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:56.290
  • YOU AND THEY STILL LOVE YOU --
  • 00:15:56.290 --> 00:15:58.220
  • WHEN ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS
  • 00:15:58.220 --> 00:16:00.030
  • FOUND OUT ABOUT ME HAVING --
  • 00:16:00.030 --> 00:16:02.090
  • IT WAS RIGHT WHEN --
  • 00:16:02.090 --> 00:16:03.020
  • BEFORE MY BOOK CAME OUT.
  • 00:16:03.020 --> 00:16:03.250
  • I TOLD THE LORD,
  • 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:05.050
  • "YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE
  • 00:16:05.050 --> 00:16:05.280
  • MY OLDER GIRLS KNOW.
  • 00:16:05.280 --> 00:16:07.020
  • I CAN'T HAVE A BOOK OUT THERE
  • 00:16:07.020 --> 00:16:08.080
  • ABOUT MY STORY WHEN THEY DON'T
  • 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:09.080
  • EVEN KNOW."
  • 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.020
  • AND IT'S A LONGER STORY.
  • 00:16:10.020 --> 00:16:11.180
  • BUT HE WORKED IT OUT SO THEY
  • 00:16:11.180 --> 00:16:13.240
  • COULD FIND OUT,
  • 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:14.150
  • MY TWO OLDER GIRLS,
  • 00:16:14.150 --> 00:16:15.120
  • BECAUSE I FELT LIKE
  • 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.060
  • THEY NEEDED TO KNOW,
  • 00:16:16.060 --> 00:16:16.260
  • BECAUSE THEY WERE HOME THAT DAY,
  • 00:16:16.260 --> 00:16:17.260
  • WHEN I WENT TO THE ABORTION
  • 00:16:17.260 --> 00:16:18.210
  • CLINIC, WITH THE BABYSITTER.
  • 00:16:18.210 --> 00:16:20.280
  • MY DAUGHTER LOOKED AT ME
  • 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:21.290
  • WHEN I WAS SOBBING IN MY CAR.
  • 00:16:21.290 --> 00:16:23.100
  • AND SHE CAME OUT AND SAID,
  • 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:24.060
  • "WHAT'S WRONG?"
  • 00:16:24.060 --> 00:16:25.060
  • AND I SAID, "SOMEONE DIED."
  • 00:16:25.060 --> 00:16:26.290
  • AND SHE SAID,
  • 00:16:26.290 --> 00:16:27.160
  • "OH, MY GOSH, MOMMY.
  • 00:16:27.160 --> 00:16:28.130
  • WHO DIED?
  • 00:16:28.130 --> 00:16:29.020
  • WHO DIED?"
  • 00:16:29.020 --> 00:16:29.190
  • AND SHE WAS ABOUT 15.
  • 00:16:29.190 --> 00:16:31.140
  • AND I SAID,
  • 00:16:31.140 --> 00:16:32.010
  • "I HAVE SOMETHING I NEED
  • 00:16:32.010 --> 00:16:32.200
  • TO TELL YOU."
  • 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:33.220
  • AND I TOLD HER AND SHARED.
  • 00:16:33.220 --> 00:16:34.280
  • AND SHE HELD ME IN HER ARMS
  • 00:16:34.280 --> 00:16:37.030
  • AND SAID, "MOMMY,
  • 00:16:37.030 --> 00:16:38.170
  • JESUS FORGIVES YOU.
  • 00:16:38.170 --> 00:16:40.020
  • I FORGIVE YOU.
  • 00:16:40.020 --> 00:16:41.120
  • I LOVE YOU.
  • 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:42.070
  • WHY WOULD YOU BE AFRAID TO TELL
  • 00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:43.120
  • ME THAT?"
  • 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.130
  • THAT JUST WAS SUCH A MOMENT
  • 00:16:44.130 --> 00:16:47.010
  • OF HEALING FOR ME TO KNOW.
  • 00:16:47.010 --> 00:16:49.080
  • YOU KNOW WHAT MATTERS?
  • 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:50.020
  • IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER
  • 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:51.000
  • PEOPLE WANT TO SAY ABOUT ME.
  • 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.170
  • IT MATTERS ABOUT MY FAMILY,
  • 00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:54.030
  • THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE CLOSEST
  • 00:16:54.030 --> 00:16:55.080
  • WHO KNOW ME.
  • 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:56.120
  • AND WHEN THEY LOVED ME AND SAW
  • 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.080
  • ME THROUGH THE HEALING PROCESS,
  • 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.050
  • I MEAN IT WAS LIKE --
  • 00:17:00.050 --> 00:17:01.020
  • I CAN TELL ANYBODY NOW.
  • 00:17:01.020 --> 00:17:02.150
  • AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
  • 00:17:02.150 --> 00:17:03.090
  • IT, TAKE IT UP WITH MY FATHER,
  • 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:05.050
  • BECAUSE HE'S GOT MY BACK.
  • 00:17:05.050 --> 00:17:07.250
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL VICTORIA,
  • 00:17:07.250 --> 00:17:08.170
  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING
  • 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:09.140
  • THE COURAGE TO TAKE THAT STAND,
  • 00:17:09.140 --> 00:17:11.070
  • TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT,
  • 00:17:11.070 --> 00:17:12.230
  • AND TO SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE
  • 00:17:12.230 --> 00:17:14.180
  • SO THAT OTHERS CAN BE LED
  • 00:17:14.180 --> 00:17:15.210
  • INTO A LIFESTYLE OF HEALING
  • 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:18.010
  • AND RECOVERY.
  • 00:17:18.010 --> 00:17:19.070
  • AND YOU KNOW THEY MAY HAVE LIED
  • 00:17:19.070 --> 00:17:21.160
  • AT THE CLINIC.
  • 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:22.100
  • THEY MAY HAVE LIED IN TERMS
  • 00:17:22.100 --> 00:17:24.120
  • OF THE SOLUTION TO A CRISIS.
  • 00:17:24.120 --> 00:17:26.090
  • BUT THE ONE WHO HAS NEVER LIED
  • 00:17:26.090 --> 00:17:28.040
  • IS THE ONE WHO SAID HE'D
  • 00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:28.280
  • NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU.
  • 00:17:28.280 --> 00:17:30.160
  • HIS NAME IS JESUS.
  • 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.170
  • AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU'VE
  • 00:17:31.170 --> 00:17:32.130
  • DONE, HE STILL LOVES YOU.
  • 00:17:32.130 --> 00:17:34.220
  • WHEN WE RETURN,
  • 00:17:34.220 --> 00:17:35.160
  • I'M GOING TO BE SITTING DOWN
  • 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:36.130
  • WITH THE PRESIDENT OF
  • 00:17:36.130 --> 00:17:37.060
  • THE JUSTICE FOUNDATION,
  • 00:17:37.060 --> 00:17:38.070
  • MR. ALLAN PARKER.
  • 00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:39.060
  • AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE
  • 00:17:39.060 --> 00:17:40.070
  • LEGISLATIVE AND THE POLITICAL
  • 00:17:40.070 --> 00:17:41.180
  • SIDE OF THIS ISSUE
  • 00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:43.030
  • OF THE ABORTION INDUSTRY.
  • 00:17:43.030 --> 00:17:44.070
  • YOU DON'T WANT TO GO AWAY.
  • 00:17:44.070 --> 00:17:45.110
  • IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
  • 00:17:45.110 --> 00:17:46.000
  • DISCUSSION.
  • 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:46.240
  • YOU'RE WATCHING
  • 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:47.110
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:17:47.110 --> 00:17:48.190
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:17:52.010 --> 00:17:55.010
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: THERE ARE
  • 00:17:55.010 --> 00:17:56.260
  • THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN,
  • 00:17:56.260 --> 00:17:58.200
  • WHO ARE REJECTED,
  • 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.230
  • WHO ARE UNWANTED,
  • 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:02.290
  • WHO ARE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY
  • 00:18:02.290 --> 00:18:04.170
  • MURDERED IN AMERICA'S ABORTION
  • 00:18:04.170 --> 00:18:07.000
  • MILLS.
  • 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.040
  • I SEE THEIR LITTLE HANDS
  • 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:11.030
  • REACHING TOWARD US,
  • 00:18:11.030 --> 00:18:12.040
  • SAYING, "HELP ME."
  • 00:18:12.040 --> 00:18:14.290
  • HOW CAN WE TURN A DEAF EAR
  • 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:17.230
  • TO THEIR DESPERATE LITTLE CRIES?
  • 00:18:18.090 --> 00:18:21.090
  • WITH YOUR HELP,
  • 00:18:21.090 --> 00:18:22.100
  • WE CAN GIVE MOTHERS
  • 00:18:22.100 --> 00:18:23.070
  • AND THEIR UNBORN CHILDREN
  • 00:18:23.070 --> 00:18:24.160
  • A FUTURE AND A HOPE,
  • 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.010
  • A SANCTUARY OF HOPE.
  • 00:18:26.010 --> 00:18:27.210
  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF $500 OR MORE
  • 00:18:27.210 --> 00:18:29.200
  • TO "SANCTUARY OF HOPE,"
  • 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.050
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE A LIMITED
  • 00:18:31.050 --> 00:18:32.080
  • EDITION, FRAMED 16 X 20 PAINTING
  • 00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:35.060
  • ENTITLED "HOPE AND LIBERTY."
  • 00:18:35.060 --> 00:18:37.030
  • AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF $1500
  • 00:18:37.030 --> 00:18:38.270
  • OR MORE, YOU WILL RECEIVE
  • 00:18:38.270 --> 00:18:40.060
  • A CUSTOM BRONZE STATUE
  • 00:18:40.060 --> 00:18:41.280
  • MEASURING OVER A FOOT IN HEIGHT,
  • 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:43.210
  • HONORING AMERICA AND HER
  • 00:18:43.210 --> 00:18:44.280
  • UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF ISRAEL.
  • 00:18:44.280 --> 00:18:47.090
  • FOR MORE INFORMATION,
  • 00:18:47.090 --> 00:18:48.050
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:18:48.050 --> 00:18:49.150
  • OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE.
  • 00:18:49.150 --> 00:18:51.140
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: WILL YOU
  • 00:18:51.140 --> 00:18:52.140
  • HELP ME REACH OUT TO THEM?
  • 00:18:52.150 --> 00:18:55.150
  • WHETHER YOU ARE NEWLY MARRIED
  • 00:18:55.150 --> 00:18:57.060
  • OR CELEBRATING A MILESTONE
  • 00:18:57.060 --> 00:18:58.190
  • ANNIVERSARY,
  • 00:18:58.190 --> 00:18:59.230
  • GOD DESIRES YOUR MARRIAGE
  • 00:18:59.230 --> 00:19:01.120
  • TO PROSPER.
  • 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:02.190
  • THIS MONTH FOR YOUR GIFT
  • 00:19:02.190 --> 00:19:03.190
  • OF ANY AMOUNT,
  • 00:19:03.190 --> 00:19:04.230
  • JOHN HAGEE MINISTRIES
  • 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:06.040
  • WILL SEND YOU
  • 00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:06.260
  • "THE RESURRECTION OF ROMANCE"
  • 00:19:06.260 --> 00:19:08.120
  • CD OR DVD.
  • 00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:10.000
  • AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF $100
  • 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:11.120
  • OR MORE,
  • 00:19:11.120 --> 00:19:12.080
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE
  • 00:19:12.080 --> 00:19:13.020
  • "THE RESURRECTION OF ROMANCE"
  • 00:19:13.020 --> 00:19:14.100
  • SERIES,
  • 00:19:14.100 --> 00:19:15.030
  • AND "WHAT EVERY MAN WANTS
  • 00:19:15.030 --> 00:19:16.110
  • IN A WOMAN AND WHAT EVERY WOMAN
  • 00:19:16.110 --> 00:19:17.290
  • WANTS IN A MAN" HARD-COVER BOOK.
  • 00:19:17.290 --> 00:19:20.160
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:21.290
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/ROMANCE.
  • 00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:25.140
  • FROM MATT HAGEE
  • 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:26.230
  • COMES A REVEALING LOOK
  • 00:19:26.230 --> 00:19:28.090
  • AT PREPARING FOR THE END
  • 00:19:28.090 --> 00:19:29.220
  • OF THE WORLD,
  • 00:19:29.220 --> 00:19:30.230
  • "YOUR GUIDE TO THE APOCALYPSE,"
  • 00:19:30.230 --> 00:19:33.030
  • REASSURING FOR THOSE THAT
  • 00:19:33.030 --> 00:19:34.190
  • BELIEVE.
  • 00:19:34.190 --> 00:19:35.130
  • EYE OPENING FOR THOSE
  • 00:19:35.130 --> 00:19:37.100
  • THAT DON'T.
  • 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:38.170
  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: THERE'S ABOUT
  • 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:39.200
  • TO BE AN UNVEILING.
  • 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:41.070
  • THE CURTAIN IS GOING TO BE
  • 00:19:41.070 --> 00:19:42.100
  • PULLED BACK.
  • 00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:43.200
  • THE APOCALYPSE IS ABOUT
  • 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.030
  • TO OCCUR.
  • 00:19:45.030 --> 00:19:46.170
  • ARE YOU READY?
  • 00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:47.150
  • A BOOK BOTH YOU
  • 00:19:47.150 --> 00:19:48.280
  • AND YOUR LOVED ONES
  • 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:50.000
  • NEED TO READ.
  • 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:51.200
  • ORDER NOW.
  • 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:52.190
  • CALL OR VISIT US AT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:19:52.220 --> 00:19:55.220
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.000
  • MATT HAGEE: WELCOME BACK TO
  • 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.040
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:20:01.040 --> 00:20:01.220
  • JOINING ME NOW IS ALLAN PARKER.
  • 00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:03.110
  • HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF
  • 00:20:03.110 --> 00:20:04.050
  • THE JUSTICE FOUNDATION.
  • 00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:05.250
  • ALLAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH
  • 00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:07.030
  • FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
  • 00:20:07.030 --> 00:20:08.000
  • AND YOU KNOW WHENEVER WE'RE
  • 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:09.090
  • TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC
  • 00:20:09.090 --> 00:20:10.000
  • OF ABORTION,
  • 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:10.210
  • AND WE HAVE SUCH A POWERFUL
  • 00:20:10.210 --> 00:20:12.000
  • TESTIMONY,
  • 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:12.200
  • AS WE'VE JUST HEARD FROM
  • 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:13.150
  • VICTORIA ROBINSON,
  • 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:15.060
  • INDIVIDUALS MIGHT LOOK AT
  • 00:20:15.060 --> 00:20:16.070
  • YOURSELF, AND SAY,
  • 00:20:16.070 --> 00:20:17.060
  • "WELL WHY IS HE PASSIONATE
  • 00:20:17.060 --> 00:20:18.200
  • ABOUT THIS SUBJECT?"
  • 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:19.170
  • WHAT IS IT THAT COMPELS YOU
  • 00:20:19.170 --> 00:20:21.030
  • TO BE INVOLVED?
  • 00:20:21.030 --> 00:20:22.250
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL I WOULD SAY
  • 00:20:22.250 --> 00:20:23.190
  • THAT ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO,
  • 00:20:23.190 --> 00:20:25.030
  • THE LORD TOLD US TO BEGIN
  • 00:20:25.030 --> 00:20:26.240
  • TO COLLECT THE TESTIMONIES
  • 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.180
  • OF WOMEN LIKE VICTORIA.
  • 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:30.210
  • WE NOW HAVE OVER 4.500
  • 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:33.070
  • LEGALLY ADMISSIBLE WRITTEN
  • 00:20:33.070 --> 00:20:34.230
  • TESTIMONIES OF THE HARM
  • 00:20:34.230 --> 00:20:37.060
  • THAT ABORTION CAUSES TO WOMEN,
  • 00:20:37.060 --> 00:20:39.060
  • BECAUSE IT'S A LIE THAT
  • 00:20:39.060 --> 00:20:40.260
  • WOMAN IS --
  • 00:20:40.260 --> 00:20:41.210
  • THAT ABORTION IS GOOD FOR WOMEN.
  • 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:43.090
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND YOU
  • 00:20:43.090 --> 00:20:44.040
  • MENTIONED THIS LIE.
  • 00:20:44.040 --> 00:20:45.220
  • WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR DIRECT
  • 00:20:45.220 --> 00:20:47.010
  • INVOLVEMENT WITH
  • 00:20:47.010 --> 00:20:47.230
  • ROE VERSUS WADE?
  • 00:20:47.230 --> 00:20:49.040
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
  • 00:20:49.040 --> 00:20:50.220
  • WE HAD THE GREAT HONOR
  • 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:51.220
  • OF REPRESENTING NORMA MCCORVEY,
  • 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:53.210
  • WHO WAS "THE ROE"
  • 00:20:53.210 --> 00:20:54.180
  • OF ROE V. WADE.
  • 00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:55.100
  • THAT WAS HER REAL NAME
  • 00:20:55.100 --> 00:20:56.210
  • FOR TWELVE YEARS.
  • 00:20:56.210 --> 00:20:58.010
  • AND WE REPRESENTED SANDRA CANO,
  • 00:20:58.010 --> 00:21:00.200
  • WHO WAS THE REAL MARY DOE OF
  • 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.250
  • DOE V. BOLTON,
  • 00:21:02.250 --> 00:21:04.040
  • THE COMPANION CASE TO ROE.
  • 00:21:04.040 --> 00:21:06.160
  • SO ROE AND DOE BOTH BECAME BORN
  • 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:10.080
  • AGAIN CHRISTIANS AND WANTED
  • 00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:12.090
  • TO TAKE THEIR CASES BACK TO
  • 00:21:12.090 --> 00:21:14.150
  • THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
  • 00:21:14.150 --> 00:21:15.260
  • TO SAY, "WE WERE WRONG.
  • 00:21:15.260 --> 00:21:18.050
  • YOU WERE WRONG.
  • 00:21:18.050 --> 00:21:19.140
  • WE NEED TO REVERSE ROE AND DOE.
  • 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.010
  • AND WE NEED TO SAVE LIFE
  • 00:21:22.010 --> 00:21:24.140
  • AND HELP WOMEN,
  • 00:21:24.140 --> 00:21:25.210
  • NOT TAKE THE LIFE OF A CHILD
  • 00:21:25.210 --> 00:21:27.020
  • IN THE WOMB."
  • 00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:27.220
  • MATT HAGEE: SO THE
  • 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:28.180
  • ORIGINAL INDIVIDUALS,
  • 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:29.090
  • WHO ARE LISTED IN THE LAWSUIT,
  • 00:21:29.090 --> 00:21:30.140
  • THEY LITERALLY WANTED
  • 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:31.260
  • TO REVERSE THEIR DECISION
  • 00:21:31.260 --> 00:21:33.160
  • IN SOMEWHAT OF A LEGAL
  • 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:34.080
  • TERMINOLOGY.
  • 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:35.030
  • ALLAN PARKER: EXACTLY.
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:35.230
  • FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY,
  • 00:21:35.230 --> 00:21:37.000
  • TWO WOMEN,
  • 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:37.190
  • WHO WON LANDMARK SUPREME COURT
  • 00:21:37.190 --> 00:21:39.020
  • DECISIONS,
  • 00:21:39.020 --> 00:21:39.260
  • WANTED TO REVERSE THOSE
  • 00:21:39.260 --> 00:21:40.260
  • DECISIONS.
  • 00:21:40.260 --> 00:21:41.220
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:42.130
  • AND WHY HASN'T THAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:21:42.130 --> 00:21:43.270
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
  • 00:21:43.270 --> 00:21:44.210
  • I BELIEVE THE SUPREME COURT HAS
  • 00:21:44.210 --> 00:21:45.220
  • HARDENED ITS HEART.
  • 00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:47.060
  • UM, I THINK IT'S
  • 00:21:47.060 --> 00:21:48.180
  • A SPIRITUAL ISSUE.
  • 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:49.180
  • I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
  • 00:21:49.180 --> 00:21:50.190
  • MORE CHRISTIANS PRAYING
  • 00:21:50.190 --> 00:21:52.000
  • FOR THE SUPREME COURT,
  • 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.160
  • PRAYING THAT THIS COVENANT
  • 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.240
  • WITH DEATH,
  • 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.250
  • THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE GRAVE
  • 00:21:55.250 --> 00:21:57.110
  • THAT WAS ENTERED INTO
  • 00:21:57.110 --> 00:21:58.110
  • BY OUR HIGHEST COURT,
  • 00:21:58.110 --> 00:21:59.280
  • WILL BE OVERTURNED.
  • 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:01.290
  • AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE PROMISE
  • 00:22:01.290 --> 00:22:03.020
  • THAT THE LORD GAVE US
  • 00:22:03.020 --> 00:22:04.040
  • 17 YEARS AGO WHEN HE TOLD US TO
  • 00:22:04.040 --> 00:22:05.260
  • COLLECT THE WOMEN'S TESTIMONIES
  • 00:22:05.260 --> 00:22:07.110
  • AND TAKE THEM BACK
  • 00:22:07.110 --> 00:22:08.030
  • TO THE COURT.
  • 00:22:08.030 --> 00:22:08.260
  • MATT HAGEE: AND SO WHEN YOU
  • 00:22:08.260 --> 00:22:09.220
  • COLLECT THESE TESTIMONIES AND
  • 00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:10.260
  • YOU TAKE THEM BACK TO COURT,
  • 00:22:10.260 --> 00:22:11.280
  • WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE HOPING
  • 00:22:11.280 --> 00:22:12.240
  • TO ACCOMPLISH LEGISLATIVELY?
  • 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:14.230
  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
  • 00:22:14.230 --> 00:22:15.150
  • ULTIMATELY THE COMPLETE AND
  • 00:22:15.150 --> 00:22:16.250
  • TOTAL REVERSAL OF ROE V. WADE,
  • 00:22:16.250 --> 00:22:19.020
  • AND DOE V. BOLTON,
  • 00:22:19.020 --> 00:22:20.100
  • AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD V. CASEY,
  • 00:22:20.100 --> 00:22:23.000
  • WHICH IN 1992,
  • 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:24.160
  • WEAKENED ROE AND DOE,
  • 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.210
  • BUT DIDN'T QUITE ELIMINATE
  • 00:22:26.210 --> 00:22:27.290
  • THEM.
  • 00:22:27.290 --> 00:22:28.160
  • THEY GAVE US WAITING PERIODS
  • 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.260
  • AND INFORMED CONSENT.
  • 00:22:29.260 --> 00:22:32.100
  • IT ALLOWED US TO HAVE STATUTES,
  • 00:22:32.100 --> 00:22:33.220
  • FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TELL A WOMAN,
  • 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:35.140
  • "ABORTION IS THE TAKING OF
  • 00:22:35.140 --> 00:22:36.220
  • A LIFE, OF A SEPARATE,
  • 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:38.040
  • LIVING, UNIQUE HUMAN BEING."
  • 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:40.130
  • THAT'S BEEN UPHELD
  • 00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:41.030
  • BY THE COURTS.
  • 00:22:41.030 --> 00:22:41.290
  • THAT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT
  • 00:22:41.290 --> 00:22:42.260
  • WHAT ABORTION DOES.
  • 00:22:42.260 --> 00:22:44.080
  • BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T
  • 00:22:44.080 --> 00:22:45.080
  • COMPLETELY REVERSED IT.
  • 00:22:45.080 --> 00:22:46.190
  • BUT I THINK IN THE NEXT TWO
  • 00:22:46.190 --> 00:22:47.220
  • TO THREE YEARS,
  • 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:49.080
  • IN GOD'S TIMING
  • 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:51.030
  • WITH THE ELECTION OR NOMINATION,
  • 00:22:51.030 --> 00:22:52.290
  • THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP,
  • 00:22:52.290 --> 00:22:54.020
  • AND NEIL GORSUCH, AND OTHERS,
  • 00:22:54.020 --> 00:22:55.130
  • WHO ARE GOING TO BE PUT
  • 00:22:55.130 --> 00:22:56.070
  • ON THE COURT,
  • 00:22:56.070 --> 00:22:57.000
  • WE'RE GOING TO SEE ROE V. WADE
  • 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.010
  • REVERSED.
  • 00:22:58.010 --> 00:22:58.210
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:22:58.210 --> 00:22:59.140
  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE CHANGING
  • 00:22:59.140 --> 00:23:01.020
  • TIDE OF POLITICS.
  • 00:23:01.020 --> 00:23:02.020
  • THERE'S A PENDULUM SWING THAT
  • 00:23:02.020 --> 00:23:03.100
  • TAKES SOMETHING BACK TOWARDS
  • 00:23:03.100 --> 00:23:04.170
  • WHAT SOME MIGHT CALL
  • 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:05.170
  • "THE RIGHT" OR "CONSERVATIVE."
  • 00:23:05.170 --> 00:23:07.060
  • BUT UNTIL THIS MATTER IS
  • 00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:09.140
  • RESOLVED, WE STILL HAVE GROUND
  • 00:23:10.110 --> 00:23:13.110
  • TO EITHER GAIN
  • 00:23:13.110 --> 00:23:14.180
  • OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T
  • 00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:15.220
  • LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IS WE COULD
  • 00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:16.270
  • STILL LOSE GROUND.
  • 00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:18.100
  • THERE IS AN AGENDA OUT THERE
  • 00:23:18.100 --> 00:23:19.220
  • THAT WANTS TO TAKE ABORTION
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  • EVEN FURTHER THAN WHAT ALREADY
  • 00:23:20.270 --> 00:23:22.090
  • EXISTS.
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  • WHAT DOES THAT AGENDA LOOK LIKE
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  • AND HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT
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  • AMERICA?
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  • ALLAN PARKER: WELL,
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  • THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS
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  • COMMITTED TO TOTAL ABORTION
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  • ON DEMAND AND WITHOUT APOLOGY,
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  • AND AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.
  • 00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:34.030
  • THE STATE OF OREGON JUST
  • 00:23:34.030 --> 00:23:35.010
  • ADOPTED A LAW LIKE THAT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: IN OREGON,
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  • IT IS LITERALLY THE CASE THAT
  • 00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:39.000
  • IF AN INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO HAVE
  • 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:40.210
  • AN ABORTION,
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  • THE TAXPAYERS OF THE STATE
  • 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.180
  • SHOULD FULLY FUND THE COST
  • 00:23:43.180 --> 00:23:45.040
  • OF THAT.
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  • ALLAN PARKER: THAT IS EXACTLY
  • 00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:46.240
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:47.170
  • AND THAT'S THE DREAM OF -- AND
  • 00:23:47.170 --> 00:23:49.130
  • I DON'T WANT TO GET POLITICAL.
  • 00:23:49.130 --> 00:23:50.160
  • BUT THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
  • 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.210
  • PLATFORM,
  • 00:23:51.210 --> 00:23:52.280
  • SO THAT'S WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
  • 00:23:52.280 --> 00:23:54.080
  • THE REPUBLICAN PARTY,
  • 00:23:54.080 --> 00:23:55.050
  • ON THE OTHER HAND, SAYS
  • 00:23:55.050 --> 00:23:56.020
  • ROE V. WADE SHOULD BE REVERSED.
  • 00:23:56.020 --> 00:23:57.290
  • AND THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION
  • 00:23:57.290 --> 00:23:59.090
  • FOR WOMEN TODAY.
  • 00:23:59.090 --> 00:24:00.220
  • IN ALL 50 STATES,
  • 00:24:00.220 --> 00:24:02.120
  • NO WOMAN HAS TO TAKE CARE OF
  • 00:24:02.120 --> 00:24:03.240
  • A CHILD IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO.
  • 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.220
  • EVERY STATE HAS WHAT'S KNOWN
  • 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:07.020
  • AS A "SAFE HAVEN LAW."
  • 00:24:07.020 --> 00:24:08.220
  • SHE CAN TURN HER BABY OVER TO
  • 00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:10.140
  • THE STATE WITHIN A SHORT TIME
  • 00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:11.260
  • AFTER BIRTH, USUALLY 30, 60,
  • 00:24:11.260 --> 00:24:13.180
  • OR 90 DAYS, AND SAY,
  • 00:24:13.180 --> 00:24:15.010
  • "I DON'T WANT THIS CHILD.
  • 00:24:15.010 --> 00:24:16.010
  • I CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS
  • 00:24:16.010 --> 00:24:16.260
  • CHILD," WHATEVER REASON.
  • 00:24:16.260 --> 00:24:18.110
  • AND SOCIETY WILL THEN SAY,
  • 00:24:18.110 --> 00:24:19.290
  • "WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THEIR
  • 00:24:19.290 --> 00:24:20.240
  • CHILD."
  • 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:21.240
  • AND THERE ARE MILLIONS
  • 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.160
  • OF PEOPLE WAITING TO ADOPT
  • 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.100
  • HEALTHY NEWBORN INFANTS,
  • 00:24:24.100 --> 00:24:25.290
  • WHO WOULD BE GLAD TO BE PARENTS
  • 00:24:25.290 --> 00:24:27.130
  • FOR THOSE CHILDREN.
  • 00:24:27.130 --> 00:24:28.080
  • MATT HAGEE: SO BOTTOM LINE,
  • 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:29.020
  • THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION
  • 00:24:29.020 --> 00:24:30.120
  • THAN THAT WHICH IS SO EASILY
  • 00:24:30.120 --> 00:24:32.120
  • ACCEPTED AS ABORTION.
  • 00:24:32.120 --> 00:24:33.260
  • YOU'VE COLLECTED 4500
  • 00:24:33.260 --> 00:24:35.130
  • TESTIMONIES.
  • 00:24:35.130 --> 00:24:36.210
  • OUT OF THOSE TESTIMONIES,
  • 00:24:36.210 --> 00:24:37.200
  • WHAT'S THE COMMON THREAD
  • 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.240
  • THAT YOU HEAR?
  • 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.150
  • ALLAN PARKER: THEY LIED TO ME.
  • 00:24:40.150 --> 00:24:41.170
  • THEY JUST TOLD ME IT WAS A MASS
  • 00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:42.170
  • OF TISSUE.
  • 00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:43.100
  • AND THEN IT BEGINS A DOWNWARD
  • 00:24:43.100 --> 00:24:44.260
  • PATTERN OF ABUSE.
  • 00:24:44.260 --> 00:24:46.180
  • VICTORIA MENTIONED SOME
  • 00:24:46.180 --> 00:24:47.200
  • OF THE THINGS.
  • 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:48.230
  • YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WORTHLESS.
  • 00:24:48.230 --> 00:24:50.130
  • WHAT KIND OF A MOTHER
  • 00:24:50.130 --> 00:24:51.150
  • COULD I BE TO MY NEXT CHILD?
  • 00:24:51.150 --> 00:24:53.130
  • YOU CAN HAVE PROBLEMS OF OVER
  • 00:24:53.130 --> 00:24:54.250
  • PROTECTION OF YOUR CHILDREN
  • 00:24:54.250 --> 00:24:56.100
  • OR ATTACHMENT PROBLEMS WHERE YOU
  • 00:24:56.100 --> 00:24:58.210
  • DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THEM.
  • 00:24:58.210 --> 00:24:59.280
  • MATT HAGEE: IT'S AN
  • 00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:00.260
  • INSTABILITY.
  • 00:25:00.260 --> 00:25:02.040
  • ALLAN PARKER: THE SCIENTIFIC
  • 00:25:02.040 --> 00:25:03.000
  • LITERATURE AND THE TESTIMONIES
  • 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.130
  • DOCUMENT DEPRESSION, SUICIDE.
  • 00:25:04.150 --> 00:25:07.150
  • THE BRITISH JOURNAL OF
  • 00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:08.090
  • PSYCHIATRY DID AN ARTICLE
  • 00:25:08.090 --> 00:25:09.250
  • BY PATRICIA COLEMAN.
  • 00:25:09.250 --> 00:25:11.030
  • WOMEN WHO HAVE AN ABORTION HAVE
  • 00:25:11.030 --> 00:25:12.110
  • AN 81% INCREASED RISK
  • 00:25:12.110 --> 00:25:15.000
  • OF ADVERSE EMOTIONAL HEALTH
  • 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.140
  • CONSEQUENCES.
  • 00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:17.180
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW ONE
  • 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:18.180
  • OF THE REAL WORDS THAT KIND
  • 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:20.150
  • OF BOWLS IT ALL UP IS
  • 00:25:20.150 --> 00:25:21.100
  • "IMMENSE REGRET."
  • 00:25:21.100 --> 00:25:23.090
  • I KNOW A LOT OF YOUNG LADIES
  • 00:25:23.090 --> 00:25:26.020
  • AND A LOT OF WOMEN WHO MAKE
  • 00:25:26.020 --> 00:25:27.200
  • THE STATEMENT,
  • 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:28.090
  • "I'M SO GLAD I CHOSE TO KEEP
  • 00:25:28.090 --> 00:25:29.280
  • MY BABY."
  • 00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:31.120
  • I'VE NEVER MET ONE THAT SAID,
  • 00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:33.010
  • "I AM SO GLAD I CHOSE TO TAKE
  • 00:25:33.010 --> 00:25:34.250
  • THE LIFE OF MY CHILD BEFORE IT
  • 00:25:34.250 --> 00:25:36.070
  • WAS BORN."
  • 00:25:36.070 --> 00:25:36.290
  • ALLAN PARKER: NO.
  • 00:25:36.290 --> 00:25:37.220
  • MATT HAGEE: I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE.
  • 00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:38.180
  • ALLAN PARKER: AND THIS CAN BE
  • 00:25:38.180 --> 00:25:39.160
  • DECADES OF KEEPING THE SECRET,
  • 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.100
  • AS VICTORIA SAID.
  • 00:25:41.100 --> 00:25:42.210
  • BUT THERE ARE MANY
  • 00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:43.290
  • POST-ABORTION RECOVERY
  • 00:25:43.290 --> 00:25:46.040
  • MINISTRIES IN AMERICA.
  • 00:25:46.040 --> 00:25:47.190
  • GOD IS PREPARING AMERICA
  • 00:25:47.190 --> 00:25:49.050
  • FOR A HEALING CRY.
  • 00:25:49.050 --> 00:25:51.060
  • AND WOMEN AND MEN,
  • 00:25:51.060 --> 00:25:52.240
  • WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED
  • 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.200
  • IN ABORTION,
  • 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:54.140
  • BECAUSE NO WOMAN GETS PREGNANT
  • 00:25:54.140 --> 00:25:55.180
  • WITHOUT A MAN.
  • 00:25:55.180 --> 00:25:56.290
  • WE'RE AT FAULT.
  • 00:25:56.290 --> 00:25:57.250
  • WE'RE RESPONSIBLE.
  • 00:25:57.250 --> 00:25:59.100
  • IN FACT, I ASKED WOMEN WHO WERE
  • 00:25:59.100 --> 00:26:00.200
  • ABANDONED BY THEIR MEN
  • 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:01.280
  • AND THEIR HUSBANDS,
  • 00:26:01.280 --> 00:26:03.110
  • LIKE VICTORIA'S WAS,
  • 00:26:03.110 --> 00:26:05.070
  • TO FORGIVE MEN.
  • 00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:07.130
  • BUT TO GET THE HELP THAT'S
  • 00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:08.140
  • NEEDED,
  • 00:26:08.140 --> 00:26:09.120
  • YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE
  • 00:26:09.120 --> 00:26:10.100
  • YOUR SIN, ASK GOD FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:26:10.100 --> 00:26:12.070
  • GO THROUGH GRIEF PROCESSING.
  • 00:26:12.070 --> 00:26:15.020
  • THERE MAY BE ANGER ISSUES,
  • 00:26:15.020 --> 00:26:16.200
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE MAD AT YOURSELF,
  • 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:17.240
  • YOU'RE MAD AT OTHERS.
  • 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.010
  • WOMEN SAY,
  • 00:26:19.010 --> 00:26:19.250
  • "WELL GOD MIGHT FORGIVE ME
  • 00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:20.240
  • BUT I'LL NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF."
  • 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.260
  • YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO ACCEPT
  • 00:26:22.260 --> 00:26:24.010
  • THE FORGIVENESS OF GOD ONCE YOU
  • 00:26:24.010 --> 00:26:25.170
  • ASK FOR IT, AND REPENT.
  • 00:26:25.170 --> 00:26:27.090
  • HE WANTS TO GIVE THAT TO YOU.
  • 00:26:27.090 --> 00:26:28.190
  • HE WANTS TO HEAL YOU.
  • 00:26:28.190 --> 00:26:30.130
  • THERE CAN BE EMOTIONAL ISSUES
  • 00:26:30.130 --> 00:26:32.010
  • WITH THE FAMILY NETWORK.
  • 00:26:32.010 --> 00:26:34.000
  • A LOT OF TIMES,
  • 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:34.190
  • IF YOU'RE A MARRIED WOMAN
  • 00:26:34.190 --> 00:26:35.170
  • AND HAVE AN ABORTION,
  • 00:26:35.170 --> 00:26:36.200
  • IT DOES RESULT IN DIVORCE.
  • 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.200
  • YOU HAVE AN ABORTION;
  • 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:39.270
  • YOU HATE THIS MAN WHO MADE YOU
  • 00:26:39.270 --> 00:26:41.010
  • DO IT.
  • 00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:41.210
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:26:41.210 --> 00:26:42.130
  • YOU KNOW THERE'S SO MANY ANGLES
  • 00:26:42.130 --> 00:26:43.140
  • TO THIS STORY THAT THE
  • 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:44.070
  • NARRATIVE COULD GO ON AND ON.
  • 00:26:44.070 --> 00:26:46.040
  • THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THIS;
  • 00:26:46.040 --> 00:26:47.170
  • THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US A CHOICE
  • 00:26:47.170 --> 00:26:48.280
  • TO MAKE.
  • 00:26:48.280 --> 00:26:49.260
  • THE CHOICE IS LIFE OR DEATH,
  • 00:26:49.260 --> 00:26:51.290
  • BLESSINGS OR CURSES.
  • 00:26:51.290 --> 00:26:53.290
  • I ASSURE YOU,
  • 00:26:53.290 --> 00:26:54.240
  • WHEN YOU CHOOSE LIFE,
  • 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.010
  • YOU ARE CHOOSING A BLESSING
  • 00:26:56.010 --> 00:26:57.030
  • THAT ONLY COMES FROM GOD.
  • 00:26:57.030 --> 00:26:58.190
  • I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY
  • 00:26:58.190 --> 00:26:59.130
  • ONE OF YOU FOR CHOOSING TO JOIN
  • 00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:00.250
  • US TODAY ON "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:02.210
  • I WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS,
  • 00:27:02.210 --> 00:27:03.270
  • ALLAN PARKER
  • 00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:04.150
  • AND VICTORIA ROBINSON.
  • 00:27:04.150 --> 00:27:05.210
  • AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW
  • 00:27:05.210 --> 00:27:06.200
  • IF YOU LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE
  • 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:07.200
  • BEFORE MEN,
  • 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.150
  • YOU WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE
  • 00:27:08.150 --> 00:27:09.200
  • IN A DARK GENERATION.
  • 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:10.290
  • GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:27:10.290 --> 00:27:11.160
  • WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN VERY SOON.
  • 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:13.070
  • (APPLAUSE)
  • 00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:23.040
  • MUSIC
  • 00:27:26.210 --> 00:27:29.210