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The Difference: Anthony B. Thompson | Faith and Forgiveness

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November 29, 2019
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John Hagee

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The Difference: Anthony B. Thompson | Faith and Forgiveness

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  • MUSIC
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: "FORGIVE
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  • AND FORGET,"
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  • THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TOLD TO DO.
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  • BUT IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
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  • WHAT ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE HURTS
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  • YOU SO BADLY; YOU CAN'T FORGET,
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  • AND REVENGE SOUNDS BETTER THAN
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  • FORGIVENESS?
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  • MATT HAGEE: OUR GUEST TODAY
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  • HAS HAD TO ASK AND ANSWER THAT
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  • QUESTION IN HIS OWN LIFE
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  • IN WAYS THAT MANY OF US
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  • COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON WAS A PART
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  • OF A LOVING CONGREGATION
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  • THAT MET REGULARLY FOR WORSHIP,
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  • FELLOWSHIP, AND COMMUNITY.
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  • THEY SHARED LIFE TOGETHER
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  • UNTIL THOSE LIVES WERE
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  • VIOLENTLY INTERRUPTED ONE DAY
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  • IN AN ACT OF WORSHIP
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  • THAT THE NATION WILL SOON
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  • NOT FORGET.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: JOIN US TODAY
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  • TO DISCOVER HOW RADICAL
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  • FORGIVENESS CAN MAKE ALL
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  • THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE.
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  • WELCOME
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  • REVEREND ANTHONY B. THOMPSON.
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  • MATT HAGEE: REVEREND THOMPSON,
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  • IT'S A PLEASURE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THANK YOU.
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  • IT'S A PLEASURE AND A BLESSING.
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  • MATT HAGEE: THANK YOU FOR
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  • TAKING THE TIME TO INTERRUPT
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  • YOUR SCHEDULE TO COME
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  • AND SHARE WITH US,
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  • NOT ONLY YOUR PERSONAL STORY,
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  • BUT A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE
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  • TO AN ENTIRE NATION.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • MATT HAGEE: TELL US EXACTLY
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  • WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH;
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  • IT DOES SEEM LIKE
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  • JUST YESTERDAY,
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  • BECAUSE IT'S A MEMORY
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  • THAT I'LL NEVER FORGET.
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  • IT'S ALWAYS ON MY MIND
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  • WHEN I LOST MY WIFE, MYRA.
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  • SHE WAS TEACHING BIBLE STUDY
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  • AT EMMANUEL AME CHURCH
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  • IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA
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  • FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.
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  • AND A YOUNG MAN,
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  • A WHITE SUPREMACIST BY THE NAME
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  • OF DYLANN ROOF, CAME IN
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  • AND HAD BIBLE STUDY WITH THEM,
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  • SAT DOWN,
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  • LISTENED TO THE LESSONS,
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  • PRAYED WITH THEM.
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  • AND SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE
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  • OF THE PRAYER,
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  • WHILE EVERYBODY'S HEADS
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  • WERE STILL BOWED,
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  • HE DECIDED TO KILL NINE PEOPLE.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND IT'S SOMETHING
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  • THAT PEOPLE USE WORDS LIKE
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  • "SENSELESS ACT."
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  • AND OFTEN TIMES
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  • THAT'S JUST AS, YOU KNOW,
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  • ACCURATELY AS THEY CAN DESCRIBE
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  • IT, BECAUSE NONE OF IT
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  • MAKES SENSE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
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  • MATT HAGEE: NONE OF IT MAKES
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  • SENSE.
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  • AND HERE YOU ARE CAUGHT IN
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  • THE MIDST OF THAT EXPERIENCE
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  • WITH A WORLD OF EMOTION
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  • AND A WORLD OF CONTROVERSY,
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  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PULLING
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  • AT YOU, SOME WITH GOOD
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  • INTENTIONS; AND SOME, NOT.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND IN THE MIDST OF
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  • ALL OF THAT, HOW, YOU KNOW,
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  • DO YOU BALANCE
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  • YOUR OWN EMOTIONS?
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  • BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE
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  • OF YOU IS PROBABLY PRETTY QUIET
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  • COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON
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  • INSIDE OF YOU.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: WERE YOU SUPPOSED
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  • TO BE THERE ON THAT DAY TO BE
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  • IN THE STUDY?
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  • OR WHERE YOU NEARBY?
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  • OR WHAT WAS THE FIRST REACTION
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  • WHEN YOU GOT THE CALL?
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WELL,
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  • I WANTED TO BE THERE,
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  • BECAUSE MYRA AND I,
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  • WE DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
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  • YOU KNOW SHE HELPS ME WITH MY
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  • MINISTRY.
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  • AND SHE WAS BECOMING A MINISTER
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  • IN THE AME CHURCH,
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  • AND I WANTED TO BE THERE
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  • FOR HER AS WELL; YEAH.
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  • AND SO FOR SOME REASON,
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  • I MENTIONED TO HER I WAS GOING
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  • TO BE THERE.
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  • AND SHE SAID, "NO."
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  • SHE DIDN'T WANT ME TO BE THERE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: AWE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH.
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  • AND IT WAS VERY SHOCKING TO ME.
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  • MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED
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  • HER.
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  • BUT UM,
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  • FOR SOME REASON SHE DIDN'T WANT
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  • ME TO BE THERE.
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  • SHE -- SHE TOLD ME I NEEDED
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  • TO BE AT MY CHURCH THAT NIGHT,
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  • WHICH IS HOLY TRINITY WHERE
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  • WE WERE STARTING A VACATION
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  • BIBLE STUDY.
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  • AND SHE SAID,
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  • BECAUSE WOMEN WOULD HAVE A LOT
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  • OF DRAMA GOING ON THERE.
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  • I NEED THE PASTOR TO PROTECT.
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  • (LAUGHTER)
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  • BECAUSE THAT'S JUST ONE
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  • OF THOSE BUTTONS LIKE A PUNCH,
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  • YOU KNOW,
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  • THINKING I HAD TO GET THEM OFF
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  • OF HIM EVEN IF IT WASN'T WHAT
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  • I WANTED TO DO.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND SO YOU WERE AT
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  • A DIFFERENT EVENT MINISTERING
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  • AND SHE WAS HERE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW AGAIN,
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  • ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING
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  • PROCESSED THROUGH YOUR MIND,
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  • THE "WHAT IF'S."
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  • WHAT IF I HAD?
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  • WHAT IF SHE HADN'T?
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  • WHAT IF WE DID?
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  • WHAT IF WE DIDN'T?
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  • AND IN ALL OF THAT,
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  • YOU STILL CAN'T MAKE SENSE
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  • OF IT, WHICH IS WHY;
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  • YOU KNOW, AGAIN,
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  • IT COMES BACK TO THAT CONCEPT
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  • AND THAT WORD "SENSELESS."
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  • OFTEN TIMES,
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  • I CONSIDER SENSELESS THINGS
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  • TO HAVE MORE OF A SUPERNATURAL
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  • THAN A NATURAL SUBSTANCE.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND IN MANY CASES,
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  • WHAT YOU DID AS AN INDIVIDUAL,
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  • DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO A LOT
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  • OF PEOPLE IN THAT YOU MADE A
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  • CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FORGIVE
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  • AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAD TAKEN
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  • EVERYTHING THAT YOUR LIFE WAS
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  • WRAPPED UP AND REVOLVED IN,
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  • YOU KNOW, A WAY.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • AND IT WAS SENSELESS.
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  • I MEAN ACTUALLY
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  • THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT,
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  • I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL WHEN
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  • I GOT HOME SAYING THERE WAS
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  • SHOOTING AROUND THE CHURCH.
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  • BUT I COULDN'T IMAGINE SHOOTING
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  • GOING ON INSIDE THE CHURCH.
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  • MATT HAGEE: YOU THOUGHT IT WAS
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  • IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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  • YOU THOUGHT IT WAS AROUND
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  • THE CORNER.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH,
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  • IN THE COMMUNITY.
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  • AND UM,
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  • SO I IMMEDIATELY DROPPED
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  • THE PHONE,
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  • RAN TOWARD THE CHURCH
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  • FRANTICALLY LOOKING FOR MYRA.
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  • AND WHEN I DISCOVERED,
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  • ASSUMING SHE WAS DEAD,
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  • I MEAN I JUST REALLY LOST IT.
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  • YEAH, IT WAS SENSELESS.
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  • I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
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  • TO DO.
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  • THAT'S WHAT I KEPT SAYING,
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  • "I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO."
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  • AND UM, GOD INTERVENED.
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  • YOU KNOW HE CAME IN.
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  • I MEAN I WAS ACTUALLY
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  • ON THE GROUND ON CALHOUN STREET
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  • WALLOWING ON THE PAVEMENT,
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  • I MEAN CRYING UNCONTROLLABLY.
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  • MATT HAGEE: WHICH IS
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  • A NATURAL THING TO DO.
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  • IT'S A NATURAL THING TO DO.
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  • AND IT'S IN MOMENTS LIKE THIS
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  • THAT THE WORDS,
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  • "PEACE THAT SURPASSES
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  • UNDERSTANDING" COME TO MIND,
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  • BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING
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  • THAT CANNOT BE UNDERSTOOD.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
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  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW THAT IS --
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  • YOU KNOW I PLAYED THOSE
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  • "WHAT IF'S" IN MY OWN MIND
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  • ABOUT CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES,
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  • WHAT WOULD I DO IF..."
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  • AND THERE ARE PLACES WHERE
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  • YOUR MIND LITERALLY WON'T
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  • LET YOU GO,
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  • BECAUSE YOUR EMOTIONS
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  • AREN'T CAPABLE OF EVEN ENDURING
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  • THE THOUGHT.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND HERE YOU ARE
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  • ACTUALLY ENDURING THE EVENT,
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  • NOT JUST THE THOUGHT.
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  • AND THE PEACE OF GOD COMES
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  • AND BRINGS YOU CONSOLATION.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
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  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW IT
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  • DIDN'T -- IT DIDN'T REMOVE
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  • THE FACTS,
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  • BUT IT CONSOLED YOU
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  • IN THE MIDST OF THOSE FACTS.
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: IT DID.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: SO WHEN YOU
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  • SHOWED UP AT THE CHURCH,
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  • WHAT WAS THE REACTION
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  • TO EVERYBODY THERE?
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  • WHAT WAS THE EMOTIONS GOING?
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  • PEOPLE ANGRY? WAS THERE --
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  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WHEN
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  • I SHOWED UP AT THE CHURCH,
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  • REALLY I WAS LIKE MAYBE ONE OF
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  • THE FIRST PERSONS OF THE SCENE,
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  • BECAUSE WE LIVED MAYBE FIVE
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  • MINUTES AWAY FROM THE CHURCH.
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  • AND SO I WAS DIRECTED TO
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  • THE HOTEL,
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  • BECAUSE I WAS INFORMED THAT
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  • EVERYBODY THAT LEFT THE CHURCH
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  • WENT OVER TO THE HOTEL.
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  • SO I'M THINKING EVERYTHING
  • 00:05:50.290 --> 00:05:51.240
  • WAS OKAY.
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  • AND WHEN I GOT THERE,
  • 00:05:53.060 --> 00:05:54.090
  • OF COURSE; MYRA WAS NOT THERE.
  • 00:05:54.090 --> 00:05:56.160
  • I SAW TWO OF THE SURVIVORS,
  • 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.090
  • FELICIA SANDERS AND HER
  • 00:05:58.090 --> 00:05:59.030
  • GRANDDAUGHTER, POLLY SHEPPARD.
  • 00:05:59.030 --> 00:06:01.180
  • AND THAT'S HOW I RECEIVED
  • 00:06:01.180 --> 00:06:03.170
  • THE NEWS THAT MYRA WAS DEAD.
  • 00:06:03.170 --> 00:06:05.280
  • FELICIA SANDERS TURNED AROUND
  • 00:06:05.280 --> 00:06:06.280
  • AND SHE LOOKED AT ME,
  • 00:06:06.280 --> 00:06:07.140
  • AND SHE SAID, "MYRA'S GONE."
  • 00:06:07.140 --> 00:06:09.150
  • AND OF COURSE,
  • 00:06:09.150 --> 00:06:10.130
  • I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT.
  • 00:06:10.130 --> 00:06:12.010
  • YOU KNOW I'M STANDING THERE,
  • 00:06:12.010 --> 00:06:12.250
  • SAYING,
  • 00:06:12.250 --> 00:06:13.100
  • "OKAY; I KNOW SHE'S GONE.
  • 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:14.050
  • I BELIEVE SHE'S COMING BACK."
  • 00:06:14.050 --> 00:06:15.240
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU DIDN'T HEAR
  • 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:16.160
  • MUCH AFTER THAT.
  • 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:17.060
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
  • 00:06:17.060 --> 00:06:18.200
  • AND SO THAT'S WHEN I JUST RAN
  • 00:06:18.200 --> 00:06:20.150
  • OUT OF THE HOTEL, SAT DOWN,
  • 00:06:20.210 --> 00:06:23.210
  • AND I STARTED PRAYING.
  • 00:06:23.210 --> 00:06:25.040
  • I SAID, "LORD, PLEASE,
  • 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.010
  • IF ANYTHING HAPPENED TO HER,
  • 00:06:27.010 --> 00:06:28.030
  • DON'T LET HER SUFFER "
  • 00:06:28.030 --> 00:06:29.080
  • YOU KNOW.
  • 00:06:29.080 --> 00:06:29.240
  • "AND IF ANYTHING,
  • 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.020
  • PLEASE DON'T TAKE HER LIFE."
  • 00:06:31.020 --> 00:06:32.270
  • AND THE CHURCH AND THE HOTEL
  • 00:06:32.270 --> 00:06:35.020
  • ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
  • 00:06:35.020 --> 00:06:36.160
  • AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET,
  • 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.080
  • I'M LOOKING AT THE CHURCH.
  • 00:06:38.080 --> 00:06:38.290
  • AND I'M SAYING TO MYSELF,
  • 00:06:38.290 --> 00:06:41.010
  • "I NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET
  • 00:06:41.010 --> 00:06:41.200
  • OVER THERE."
  • 00:06:41.200 --> 00:06:43.010
  • AND I JUST GOT UP AND I RAN.
  • 00:06:43.010 --> 00:06:44.270
  • AND BY THAT TIME,
  • 00:06:44.270 --> 00:06:45.180
  • EVERY FIRST RESPONDER
  • 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:47.130
  • HAD ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE.
  • 00:06:47.130 --> 00:06:48.240
  • SOMEHOW I GOT PAST THEM AND I
  • 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.030
  • GOT TO THE GATE WHERE THEY WERE
  • 00:06:50.030 --> 00:06:52.010
  • COMING IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:06:52.010 --> 00:06:54.030
  • INVESTIGATING.
  • 00:06:54.030 --> 00:06:55.160
  • AND AS SOON AS I REACHED FOR
  • 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.010
  • THAT GATE,
  • 00:06:57.010 --> 00:06:57.140
  • SOMEONE SNATCHED ME BACK.
  • 00:06:57.140 --> 00:06:58.230
  • KENDAL HAGEE: OH, MAN.
  • 00:06:58.230 --> 00:06:59.110
  • DID THEY KNOW THAT THE SHOOTER
  • 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:00.050
  • WAS GONE OR WAS HE --
  • 00:07:00.050 --> 00:07:01.200
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THEY HAD
  • 00:07:01.200 --> 00:07:02.130
  • NO IDEA WHO THE SHOOTER WAS,
  • 00:07:02.130 --> 00:07:03.080
  • WHERE HE WAS.
  • 00:07:03.080 --> 00:07:04.090
  • THEY WERE STILL SEARCHING THE
  • 00:07:04.090 --> 00:07:05.070
  • COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
  • 00:07:05.070 --> 00:07:07.010
  • THEY HAD A FEW PEOPLE,
  • 00:07:07.010 --> 00:07:08.060
  • A FEW SUSPECTS.
  • 00:07:08.060 --> 00:07:10.000
  • AND THEY WENT KIND OF LIKE
  • 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.040
  • BREAKING DOWN DOORS
  • 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:12.130
  • IN THE APARTMENTS.
  • 00:07:12.130 --> 00:07:13.020
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH,
  • 00:07:13.020 --> 00:07:13.220
  • HOUSE-TO-HOUSE, DOOR-TO-DOOR.
  • 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:14.200
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH,
  • 00:07:14.200 --> 00:07:15.070
  • HOUSE-TO-HOUSE, DOOR-TO-DOOR.
  • 00:07:15.070 --> 00:07:15.250
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:07:15.250 --> 00:07:16.070
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: UM, AND
  • 00:07:16.070 --> 00:07:17.200
  • EVERYBODY WAS JUST FRANTICALLY
  • 00:07:17.200 --> 00:07:19.050
  • RUNNING AROUND.
  • 00:07:19.050 --> 00:07:19.240
  • MATT HAGEE: THEY WEREN'T
  • 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:20.110
  • LOOKING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL;
  • 00:07:20.110 --> 00:07:21.060
  • THEY WERE HUNTING TO KILL.
  • 00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:22.070
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THEY WERE
  • 00:07:22.070 --> 00:07:22.240
  • HUNTING, YES.
  • 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:23.090
  • MATT HAGEE: THEY WERE HUNTING
  • 00:07:23.090 --> 00:07:23.280
  • TO KILL.
  • 00:07:23.280 --> 00:07:24.110
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH.
  • 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:25.040
  • MATT HAGEE: AND WHEN THEY
  • 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:25.230
  • IDENTIFIED THE KILLER, UH,
  • 00:07:25.230 --> 00:07:27.100
  • YOU KNOW THE WORLD WAS NOT ONLY
  • 00:07:27.100 --> 00:07:29.050
  • IN SHOCK, BUT THEN RAGE SET IN.
  • 00:07:29.050 --> 00:07:31.120
  • UH, AND A LOT MORE QUESTIONS
  • 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.030
  • WERE ASKED.
  • 00:07:33.030 --> 00:07:34.090
  • AND WE HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS
  • 00:07:34.090 --> 00:07:35.090
  • TO ASK YOU,
  • 00:07:35.090 --> 00:07:36.050
  • BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO FORGIVE
  • 00:07:36.050 --> 00:07:38.160
  • AN INDIVIDUAL, UH,
  • 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.110
  • WHO, FROM ALL ACCOUNTS OF HUMAN
  • 00:07:40.110 --> 00:07:42.130
  • KIND,
  • 00:07:42.130 --> 00:07:43.190
  • DID NOT DESERVE WHAT
  • 00:07:43.190 --> 00:07:44.250
  • WAS EXTENDED.
  • 00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:45.280
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:07:45.280 --> 00:07:46.170
  • MATT HAGEE: AND I THINK THAT
  • 00:07:46.170 --> 00:07:47.100
  • THERE'S A LESSON TO BE LEARNED
  • 00:07:47.100 --> 00:07:48.050
  • FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US
  • 00:07:48.050 --> 00:07:49.010
  • TODAY.
  • 00:07:49.010 --> 00:07:49.260
  • WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO UNCOVER
  • 00:07:49.260 --> 00:07:51.030
  • THIS STORY AND TELL YOU MORE.
  • 00:07:51.030 --> 00:07:52.170
  • YOU'RE WATCHING
  • 00:07:52.170 --> 00:07:53.040
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:54.050
  • MUSIC
  • 00:07:54.050 --> 00:07:56.170
  • MUSIC
  • 00:07:56.170 --> 00:07:57.190
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: ARE YOU
  • 00:07:57.190 --> 00:07:58.210
  • CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL
  • 00:07:58.210 --> 00:07:59.230
  • FUTURE OF AMERICA?
  • 00:07:59.230 --> 00:08:01.200
  • DO YOU ASK YOURSELF;
  • 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:03.010
  • WILL THE GOSPEL BE PREACHED
  • 00:08:03.010 --> 00:08:04.150
  • TO THE NEXT GENERATION?
  • 00:08:04.150 --> 00:08:05.240
  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: THIS IS WHY
  • 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:06.260
  • WE HAVE LAUNCHED
  • 00:08:06.260 --> 00:08:07.150
  • OUR VISION 20/20 CAMPAIGN,
  • 00:08:07.150 --> 00:08:09.260
  • TO TAKE ALL THE GOSPEL
  • 00:08:09.260 --> 00:08:11.070
  • TO ALL THE WORLD
  • 00:08:11.070 --> 00:08:12.180
  • AND TO EVERY GENERATION.
  • 00:08:12.180 --> 00:08:14.280
  • FOR YOUR SUPPORT
  • 00:08:14.280 --> 00:08:15.140
  • OF HAGEE MINISTRIES TODAY,
  • 00:08:15.140 --> 00:08:16.260
  • YOU'LL RECEIVE AN EXCLUSIVE
  • 00:08:16.260 --> 00:08:17.270
  • VISION 20/20 CHRISTMAS ORNAMENT
  • 00:08:17.270 --> 00:08:19.260
  • AND A CHRISTMAS CD
  • 00:08:19.260 --> 00:08:20.280
  • BY CANTON JUNCTION.
  • 00:08:20.280 --> 00:08:22.090
  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF $250 OR MORE,
  • 00:08:22.090 --> 00:08:24.040
  • YOU'LL RECEIVE A VISION 20/20
  • 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.000
  • CHRISTMAS ORNAMENT,
  • 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.050
  • A CANTON JUNCTION CHRISTMAS CD,
  • 00:08:27.050 --> 00:08:29.030
  • A SIGNED PROPHECY BIBLE,
  • 00:08:29.030 --> 00:08:30.210
  • AND THE BIBLE
  • 00:08:30.210 --> 00:08:31.060
  • IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER
  • 00:08:31.060 --> 00:08:32.080
  • VOLUME ONE,
  • 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:33.060
  • WITH STUDY GUIDE.
  • 00:08:33.060 --> 00:08:34.190
  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: YOUR SUPPORT
  • 00:08:34.190 --> 00:08:35.080
  • OF THAT MISSION TODAY
  • 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:36.120
  • PLAYS A CRUCIAL ROLE
  • 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:37.220
  • IN CHANGING THE LIVES
  • 00:08:37.220 --> 00:08:38.270
  • OF MILLIONS OF SOULS
  • 00:08:38.270 --> 00:08:40.090
  • FOR YEARS TO COME.
  • 00:08:40.090 --> 00:08:42.120
  • GOD IS SHAPING YOU
  • 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.010
  • FOR A PURPOSE ONLY YOU
  • 00:08:44.010 --> 00:08:45.100
  • CAN FULFILL.
  • 00:08:45.100 --> 00:08:47.000
  • SEND YOUR TAX-DEDUCTIBLE GIFT
  • 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:48.100
  • TODAY.
  • 00:08:48.100 --> 00:08:49.070
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
  • 00:08:49.070 --> 00:08:50.200
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/THANKSGIVING.
  • 00:08:51.050 --> 00:08:54.050
  • MUSIC
  • 00:08:54.050 --> 00:08:54.220
  • MUSIC
  • 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:55.110
  • AT THE SANCTUARY OF HOPE,
  • 00:08:55.110 --> 00:08:56.220
  • WE ARE DEDICATED
  • 00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:57.150
  • TO THE SANCTITY OF LIFE.
  • 00:08:57.150 --> 00:08:58.270
  • HERE,
  • 00:08:58.270 --> 00:08:59.140
  • SINGLE, EXPECTANT MOTHERS
  • 00:08:59.140 --> 00:09:00.160
  • AND THEIR CHILDREN WILL HAVE
  • 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:01.100
  • THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW
  • 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:02.150
  • IN THE LIGHT AND LOVE
  • 00:09:02.150 --> 00:09:03.130
  • OF CHRIST.
  • 00:09:03.130 --> 00:09:04.070
  • WE ARE NOW ACCEPTING
  • 00:09:04.070 --> 00:09:04.290
  • APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS
  • 00:09:04.290 --> 00:09:06.090
  • FOR RESIDENCY.
  • 00:09:06.090 --> 00:09:07.260
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: PHASE TWO
  • 00:09:07.260 --> 00:09:08.200
  • OF OUR BUILDING PROJECT
  • 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.040
  • IS UNDERWAY.
  • 00:09:10.040 --> 00:09:10.240
  • THESE LOTS WILL BECOME
  • 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.260
  • SIX LOVING CHRISTIAN HOMES
  • 00:09:11.260 --> 00:09:13.100
  • TO MOTHERS AND THEIR CHILDREN.
  • 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:15.170
  • PLEASE CONSIDER PARTNERING
  • 00:09:15.170 --> 00:09:16.180
  • WITH HAGEE MINISTRIES TODAY.
  • 00:09:16.180 --> 00:09:18.140
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
  • 00:09:18.140 --> 00:09:19.230
  • OR GO TO JHM.ORG/SOH CARES.
  • 00:09:20.180 --> 00:09:23.180
  • MUSIC
  • 00:09:23.180 --> 00:09:24.270
  • KENDAL HAGEE: WE'RE HERE WITH
  • 00:09:24.270 --> 00:09:25.240
  • REVEREND ANTHONY B. THOMPSON,
  • 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.050
  • AUTHOR OF "CALLED TO FORGIVE."
  • 00:09:27.050 --> 00:09:29.020
  • AND HE WAS JUST SHARING WITH US
  • 00:09:29.020 --> 00:09:30.060
  • ABOUT HOW HIS WIFE WAS SHOT AT
  • 00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:31.260
  • THE BIBLE STUDY.
  • 00:09:31.260 --> 00:09:33.020
  • AND THEN WE WERE TALKING
  • 00:09:33.020 --> 00:09:33.260
  • ABOUT FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:09:33.260 --> 00:09:34.280
  • TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE
  • 00:09:34.280 --> 00:09:35.230
  • ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:09:35.230 --> 00:09:36.090
  • HOW DID YOU GET THE
  • 00:09:36.090 --> 00:09:38.110
  • ENCOURAGEMENT TO GO,
  • 00:09:38.110 --> 00:09:39.100
  • AND OKAY; I'M GOING TO FORGIVE?
  • 00:09:39.100 --> 00:09:41.180
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WELL,
  • 00:09:41.180 --> 00:09:42.080
  • IT ACTUALLY STARTED THAT NIGHT,
  • 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:43.260
  • THE TRAGEDY,
  • 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:44.290
  • WHEN I WAS ON THE STREET
  • 00:09:44.290 --> 00:09:46.050
  • OF CALHOUN.
  • 00:09:46.050 --> 00:09:46.270
  • MATT HAGEE: IN SHOCK.
  • 00:09:46.270 --> 00:09:47.180
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH,
  • 00:09:47.180 --> 00:09:48.030
  • IN SHOCK,
  • 00:09:48.030 --> 00:09:48.200
  • NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.210
  • AND GOD JUST SHOWED UP
  • 00:09:49.210 --> 00:09:51.100
  • AND SAID, "GET UP."
  • 00:09:51.100 --> 00:09:53.000
  • AND I'M LIKE TRYING TO FIGURE
  • 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.210
  • OUT, WHO IS THIS?
  • 00:09:54.210 --> 00:09:56.060
  • THE THIRD TIME I HEARD
  • 00:09:56.060 --> 00:09:56.220
  • THE VOICE,
  • 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:57.050
  • I FIGURED OUT IT WAS HIM.
  • 00:09:57.050 --> 00:09:58.170
  • I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
  • 00:09:58.170 --> 00:09:59.100
  • WHY HE WAS SO HARSH ABOUT IT;
  • 00:09:59.100 --> 00:10:00.240
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.170
  • MATT HAGEE: HE WAS DIRECT.
  • 00:10:01.170 --> 00:10:02.110
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH,
  • 00:10:02.110 --> 00:10:02.270
  • VERY DIRECT, VERY DIRECT.
  • 00:10:02.270 --> 00:10:04.190
  • I MEAN NO SYMPATHY, NO
  • 00:10:04.190 --> 00:10:06.140
  • "THIS IS THE LORD; FEAR NOT,"
  • 00:10:06.140 --> 00:10:08.110
  • BUT JUST, "GET UP."
  • 00:10:08.110 --> 00:10:09.200
  • BUT HE -- HE WANTED ME TO --
  • 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.080
  • HE REMINDED ME OF WHAT I
  • 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:12.120
  • TOLD MY CONGREGATION ABOUT
  • 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.010
  • IF YOU LOSE SOMEONE YOU LOVE,
  • 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:15.240
  • AND IF YOU CHERISHED THEM MORE
  • 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:16.190
  • THAN YOU LOVE THE LORD,
  • 00:10:16.190 --> 00:10:17.230
  • THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO
  • 00:10:17.230 --> 00:10:18.160
  • WITH YOUR LIFE?
  • 00:10:18.160 --> 00:10:19.270
  • I WAS LIKE,
  • 00:10:19.270 --> 00:10:20.090
  • I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HEAR
  • 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:21.000
  • THAT RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:22.130
  • MATT HAGEE: THERE ARE TIMES WE
  • 00:10:22.130 --> 00:10:23.060
  • DON'T LIKE OUR OWN PREACHING.
  • 00:10:23.060 --> 00:10:24.150
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:10:24.150 --> 00:10:26.070
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: AND SO
  • 00:10:26.070 --> 00:10:26.230
  • IT WENT FROM THERE,
  • 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:27.090
  • HE GAVE ME THIS SCRIPTURE,
  • 00:10:27.090 --> 00:10:28.190
  • SAINT LUKE 17:2 TO USE
  • 00:10:28.190 --> 00:10:31.040
  • FOR PREACHING THAT SUNDAY,
  • 00:10:31.040 --> 00:10:32.250
  • WHICH I HAD NO INTENTION
  • 00:10:32.250 --> 00:10:33.180
  • OF PREACHING THAT SUNDAY
  • 00:10:33.180 --> 00:10:34.150
  • OR BEING IN CHURCH.
  • 00:10:34.150 --> 00:10:36.030
  • AND I READ IT.
  • 00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:37.130
  • MATT HAGEE: PLANS
  • 00:10:37.130 --> 00:10:37.260
  • WERE CANCELED.
  • 00:10:37.260 --> 00:10:38.210
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:10:38.210 --> 00:10:39.060
  • MATT HAGEE: AND HE SAID, NO.
  • 00:10:39.060 --> 00:10:40.010
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: EXACTLY.
  • 00:10:40.010 --> 00:10:40.200
  • I MEAN I JUST CANCELED MY LIFE
  • 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:41.190
  • BECAUSE I LOST MY LIFE.
  • 00:10:41.190 --> 00:10:42.220
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:10:42.220 --> 00:10:43.090
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: AND UM,
  • 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:44.240
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:45.200
  • AND I READ IT THROUGH THE NEXT
  • 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.020
  • MORNING ABOUT 5 O'CLOCK
  • 00:10:47.020 --> 00:10:47.270
  • WHEN I GOT HOME.
  • 00:10:47.270 --> 00:10:49.000
  • IT WAS ABOUT -- IT WAS ABOUT
  • 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:50.200
  • THINGS THAT WILL CAUSE PEOPLE
  • 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.000
  • IN LIFE TO STUMBLE; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:53.250
  • AND I'M THINKING, IN MY FAITH,
  • 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:54.290
  • YEAH, OKAY.
  • 00:10:54.290 --> 00:10:55.260
  • IT'S ABOUT THE ONE WHO CAUSE
  • 00:10:55.260 --> 00:10:57.130
  • THAT TO HAPPEN WOULD
  • 00:10:57.130 --> 00:10:59.100
  • RATHER HAVE A MILL STONE TIED
  • 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:00.100
  • AROUND THEIR NECK
  • 00:11:00.100 --> 00:11:00.290
  • AND THROWN INTO THE SEA.
  • 00:11:00.290 --> 00:11:02.100
  • AND THEN IT GOES --
  • 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:02.290
  • I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT,
  • 00:11:02.290 --> 00:11:03.220
  • WHAT IS THIS ABOUT.
  • 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:04.090
  • AND THEN IT GOES TO SAY,
  • 00:11:04.090 --> 00:11:05.080
  • "FORGIVE."
  • 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.010
  • I'M LIKE, "FORGIVE WHO?"
  • 00:11:06.010 --> 00:11:07.180
  • AND SO THEN 48 HOURS
  • 00:11:07.180 --> 00:11:08.190
  • AFTER THAT,
  • 00:11:08.190 --> 00:11:09.100
  • I'M AT A BOND HEARING
  • 00:11:09.100 --> 00:11:10.120
  • FOR DYLANN ROOF,
  • 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:11.210
  • IN WHICH I DID NOT WANT TO BE
  • 00:11:11.210 --> 00:11:12.230
  • TO.
  • 00:11:12.230 --> 00:11:13.130
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:11:13.130 --> 00:11:14.010
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YOU KNOW?
  • 00:11:14.010 --> 00:11:14.240
  • MATT HAGEE: THIS WAS THE LAST
  • 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:15.120
  • PERSON ON EARTH YOU WANT
  • 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:15.270
  • TO SEE.
  • 00:11:15.270 --> 00:11:16.080
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH.
  • 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:16.230
  • I MEAN IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I
  • 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:18.170
  • EVEN HEARD HIS NAME; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:11:18.170 --> 00:11:19.240
  • MY DAUGHTER CAME, SON CAME,
  • 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.140
  • AND SAID,
  • 00:11:21.140 --> 00:11:22.030
  • "THERE'S A BOND HEARING FOR
  • 00:11:22.030 --> 00:11:22.200
  • DYLANN ROOF."
  • 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:23.050
  • I'M LIKE, "WHO'S THAT?"
  • 00:11:23.050 --> 00:11:24.160
  • THEY SAID, "THAT'S THE GUY
  • 00:11:24.160 --> 00:11:25.140
  • WHO KILLED MOM."
  • 00:11:25.140 --> 00:11:27.120
  • I SAID, "WELL I'M NOT GOING,"
  • 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:28.250
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:28.250 --> 00:11:30.050
  • BECAUSE I WAS AN AGENT
  • 00:11:30.050 --> 00:11:31.080
  • FOR 27 YEARS.
  • 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:32.260
  • I TOOK A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:11:32.260 --> 00:11:33.220
  • TO BOND HEARINGS.
  • 00:11:33.220 --> 00:11:35.150
  • IT DIDN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING
  • 00:11:35.150 --> 00:11:36.120
  • TO ME FOR THIS PERSON
  • 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:37.080
  • TO RECEIVE A BOND,
  • 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:37.290
  • AND GO BACK TO THE CELL.
  • 00:11:37.290 --> 00:11:39.170
  • BUT GOD HAD OTHER PLANS.
  • 00:11:39.170 --> 00:11:40.280
  • AND SO I DECIDED TO GO.
  • 00:11:40.280 --> 00:11:43.080
  • I TOLD MY CHILDREN
  • 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.260
  • VERY ADAMANTLY,
  • 00:11:44.260 --> 00:11:45.280
  • "KEEP YOUR MOUTHS CLOSED.
  • 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:46.210
  • DON'T SAY A THING.
  • 00:11:46.210 --> 00:11:48.030
  • WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE
  • 00:11:48.030 --> 00:11:48.200
  • VERY LONG."
  • 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.050
  • SO WE GOT THERE,
  • 00:11:49.050 --> 00:11:49.260
  • AND I'M SITTING DOWN.
  • 00:11:49.260 --> 00:11:50.270
  • I'M LOOKING AT MY WATCH.
  • 00:11:50.270 --> 00:11:52.130
  • AND NADINE WAS THE FIRST ONE
  • 00:11:52.130 --> 00:11:53.270
  • TO TELL THE YOUNG MAN,
  • 00:11:53.270 --> 00:11:55.080
  • "GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.
  • 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:56.070
  • WE FORGIVE YOU."
  • 00:11:56.070 --> 00:11:57.090
  • AFTER THAT, I'M READY TO GO.
  • 00:11:57.090 --> 00:11:59.210
  • AND I SAID, "LET'S GO."
  • 00:11:59.210 --> 00:12:01.040
  • MY DAUGHTER SAID, "FATHER --"
  • 00:12:01.040 --> 00:12:02.170
  • I SAID, "WE'RE NOT HERE
  • 00:12:02.170 --> 00:12:03.190
  • TO TALK."
  • 00:12:03.190 --> 00:12:04.200
  • AND GOD SAID AGAIN, "GET UP.
  • 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.270
  • I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY."
  • 00:12:06.270 --> 00:12:09.010
  • AND SO I'M GETTING UP.
  • 00:12:09.010 --> 00:12:10.080
  • I'M WALKING TO THE PODIUM.
  • 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.270
  • I'M SAYING, OKAY.
  • 00:12:11.270 --> 00:12:13.160
  • MATT HAGEE: IF YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:12:13.160 --> 00:12:14.040
  • SOMETHING TO SAY --
  • 00:12:14.040 --> 00:12:14.280
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YOU BETTER
  • 00:12:14.280 --> 00:12:15.190
  • TELL ME NOW.
  • 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:16.080
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:16.260
  • MATT HAGEE: I'M GOING TO OPEN
  • 00:12:16.260 --> 00:12:17.160
  • MY MOUTH AND I NEED NOISE.
  • 00:12:17.160 --> 00:12:18.190
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: EXACTLY;
  • 00:12:18.190 --> 00:12:19.140
  • YES.
  • 00:12:19.140 --> 00:12:20.200
  • AND IT JUST CAME OUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.080
  • "I FORGIVE YOU.
  • 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.120
  • MY FAMILY FORGIVES YOU.
  • 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.220
  • WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE
  • 00:12:25.220 --> 00:12:26.150
  • THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REPENT
  • 00:12:26.150 --> 00:12:27.290
  • AND CONFESS, CONFESS, REPENT,
  • 00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:31.040
  • GIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE ONE
  • 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:31.280
  • THAT MEANS THE MOST.
  • 00:12:31.280 --> 00:12:32.190
  • CHRIST, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:32.190 --> 00:12:34.070
  • HE WILL CHANGE YOUR WAYS."
  • 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:35.050
  • KENDAL HAGEE: AND WORDS
  • 00:12:35.050 --> 00:12:35.230
  • FROM HIM WHEN YOU SAID THAT?
  • 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.010
  • WAS THERE ANYTHING EXPRESSION
  • 00:12:37.010 --> 00:12:38.160
  • FROM HIM?
  • 00:12:38.160 --> 00:12:39.040
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YOU KNOW I'M
  • 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:39.260
  • LOOKING AT HIM FROM A SCREEN.
  • 00:12:39.260 --> 00:12:40.240
  • BUT WHEN I SAID, "CHRIST,"
  • 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.090
  • BECAUSE ON MY WAY
  • 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:43.100
  • TO THE PODIUM,
  • 00:12:43.100 --> 00:12:44.030
  • THE LORD IS TELLING ME TO TRY
  • 00:12:44.030 --> 00:12:45.020
  • AND GET HIS ATTENTION.
  • 00:12:45.020 --> 00:12:45.200
  • I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT;
  • 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:46.090
  • WELL HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
  • 00:12:46.090 --> 00:12:47.200
  • WHEN I SAID, "CHRIST,"
  • 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:48.280
  • I DID GET HIS ATTENTION,
  • 00:12:48.280 --> 00:12:49.280
  • SO I KNEW GOD KNEW WHAT HE WAS
  • 00:12:49.280 --> 00:12:51.100
  • TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:52.030
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
  • 00:12:52.030 --> 00:12:52.210
  • AND YOU KNOW TO THAT END,
  • 00:12:52.210 --> 00:12:54.100
  • I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE
  • 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:55.170
  • BELIEVE THAT FORGIVENESS IS
  • 00:12:55.170 --> 00:12:56.280
  • FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:12:56.280 --> 00:12:58.020
  • EXTENDING IT TO.
  • 00:12:58.020 --> 00:12:59.000
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YEAH,
  • 00:12:59.000 --> 00:12:59.170
  • THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:12:59.170 --> 00:13:00.070
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT BIBLICAL
  • 00:13:00.070 --> 00:13:00.280
  • FORGIVENESS IS ABOUT RELEASING
  • 00:13:00.280 --> 00:13:02.170
  • YOU FROM THE CHAINS OF
  • 00:13:02.170 --> 00:13:04.030
  • THE BITTERNESS IT WOULD CAUSE;.
  • 00:13:04.030 --> 00:13:05.140
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:06.120
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU'VE GOT AN
  • 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:07.000
  • INDIVIDUAL WHO IS IN A PHYSICAL
  • 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:08.120
  • PRISON FOR THE VIOLENT ACT
  • 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.060
  • HE COMMITTED.
  • 00:13:10.060 --> 00:13:11.080
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: RIGHT.
  • 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:11.240
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT YOU CAN
  • 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.120
  • SPIRITUALLY INCARCERATE
  • 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:13.150
  • YOURSELF IN CHAINS THAT ARE
  • 00:13:13.150 --> 00:13:15.230
  • STRONGER THAN ANY BARS ON THIS
  • 00:13:15.230 --> 00:13:17.090
  • EARTH IF YOU DO NOT ACCOMPLISH
  • 00:13:17.090 --> 00:13:20.030
  • WHAT GOD HAS COMMISSIONED YOU
  • 00:13:20.030 --> 00:13:21.140
  • TO DO.
  • 00:13:21.140 --> 00:13:22.080
  • AND IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL
  • 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.020
  • COMMISSIONING.
  • 00:13:24.020 --> 00:13:25.020
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
  • 00:13:25.020 --> 00:13:25.160
  • MATT HAGEE: HE'S GIVEN THAT
  • 00:13:25.160 --> 00:13:26.040
  • TO EVERY PERSON THAT CALLS HIM
  • 00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:26.270
  • "SAVIOR."
  • 00:13:26.270 --> 00:13:27.200
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THAT'S
  • 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:28.070
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:13:28.070 --> 00:13:28.210
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW?
  • 00:13:28.210 --> 00:13:29.070
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THAT'S
  • 00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:29.240
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:30.080
  • MATT HAGEE: AND IN MANY CASES,
  • 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:30.270
  • WE LIKE THAT TITLE,
  • 00:13:30.270 --> 00:13:32.180
  • "JESUS IS MY SAVIOR."
  • 00:13:32.180 --> 00:13:34.080
  • BUT THE QUESTION IS,
  • 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.080
  • "HAS HE BECOME YOUR LORD?"
  • 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.130
  • BECAUSE YOUR SAVIOR WILL GET
  • 00:13:37.130 --> 00:13:38.240
  • YOU OUT OF HELL.
  • 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.020
  • YOUR LORD SAYS,
  • 00:13:40.020 --> 00:13:41.050
  • "GET UP AND GO FORGIVE
  • 00:13:41.050 --> 00:13:42.150
  • THAT MAN."
  • 00:13:42.150 --> 00:13:43.010
  • AND YOU HAVE TO SAY,
  • 00:13:43.010 --> 00:13:43.180
  • "YES, MY LORD."
  • 00:13:43.180 --> 00:13:44.160
  • AND WALK FORWARD TO
  • 00:13:44.160 --> 00:13:45.030
  • THAT PODIUM --
  • 00:13:45.030 --> 00:13:45.290
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES, YOU DO.
  • 00:13:45.290 --> 00:13:47.050
  • MATT HAGEE: THAT'S WHERE I SAY,
  • 00:13:47.050 --> 00:13:48.070
  • "THIS IS NOW WALKING BY FAITH,"
  • 00:13:48.070 --> 00:13:50.020
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:13:50.020 --> 00:13:51.030
  • BY FAITH YOU WALK INTO
  • 00:13:51.030 --> 00:13:51.290
  • SALVATION, BUT AFTER THAT,
  • 00:13:51.290 --> 00:13:53.210
  • YOU HAVE TO WALK BY FAITH
  • 00:13:53.210 --> 00:13:55.040
  • THROUGH SALVATION.
  • 00:13:55.040 --> 00:13:56.220
  • AND UH,
  • 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:57.250
  • YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:13:57.250 --> 00:13:59.280
  • I THINK THAT PEOPLE OFTEN HEAR
  • 00:14:00.060 --> 00:14:03.060
  • OR BELIEVE WHEN THEY LISTEN TO
  • 00:14:03.060 --> 00:14:04.170
  • A TESTIMONY LIKE THE ONE YOU'VE
  • 00:14:04.170 --> 00:14:05.170
  • JUST SHARED IS THEY THINK; WOW,
  • 00:14:05.170 --> 00:14:08.150
  • WHAT MADE HIM WANT TO DO THAT?
  • 00:14:08.150 --> 00:14:10.010
  • AND THE TRUTH IS
  • 00:14:10.010 --> 00:14:11.060
  • YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT;
  • 00:14:11.060 --> 00:14:12.210
  • YOU HAD TO DO IT.
  • 00:14:12.210 --> 00:14:13.200
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: I HAD TO,
  • 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:14.100
  • YES.
  • 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:15.030
  • I MEAN GOD JUST STEPPED IN;
  • 00:14:15.030 --> 00:14:17.020
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:14:17.020 --> 00:14:17.140
  • AND THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES
  • 00:14:17.140 --> 00:14:18.120
  • FOR ANYBODY TO FORGIVE ANYONE.
  • 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.010
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:14:20.010 --> 00:14:20.190
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YOU'RE GOING
  • 00:14:20.190 --> 00:14:21.090
  • TO HAVE TO ASK FOR GOD'S HELP.
  • 00:14:21.090 --> 00:14:21.290
  • BECAUSE AT THAT TIME,
  • 00:14:21.290 --> 00:14:22.170
  • I WASN'T REALLY ASKING,
  • 00:14:22.170 --> 00:14:24.050
  • BUT HE KNEW I NEEDED THAT HELP
  • 00:14:24.050 --> 00:14:25.050
  • AND HE KNEW WHAT ELSE HE HAD
  • 00:14:25.050 --> 00:14:26.260
  • IN STORE FOR ME.
  • 00:14:26.260 --> 00:14:28.090
  • AND HE JUST PUT THE WORDS
  • 00:14:28.090 --> 00:14:29.070
  • IN MY MOUTH.
  • 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:29.200
  • HE HAD ME AT THE PLACE
  • 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:30.190
  • THAT I DID NOT WANT TO BE AT.
  • 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:32.230
  • AND HE HAD ME SAYING THINGS
  • 00:14:32.230 --> 00:14:33.220
  • THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT
  • 00:14:33.220 --> 00:14:34.160
  • I WAS GOING TO SAY.
  • 00:14:34.160 --> 00:14:35.280
  • SO IT WAS A DIVINE
  • 00:14:35.280 --> 00:14:36.160
  • INTERVENTION.
  • 00:14:36.160 --> 00:14:37.070
  • BUT ONCE I SAID IT,
  • 00:14:37.070 --> 00:14:39.200
  • I MEAN I LITERALLY FELT THINGS
  • 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.250
  • LEAVING MY BODY.
  • 00:14:41.250 --> 00:14:42.220
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:43.080
  • YOU FELT THE BURDEN,
  • 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:43.280
  • YOU FELT THE SHACKLES,
  • 00:14:43.280 --> 00:14:44.210
  • YOU FELT ALL OF THAT WEIGHT
  • 00:14:44.210 --> 00:14:45.220
  • STARTING TO MOVE ON,
  • 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:47.160
  • BECAUSE SPIRITUALLY,
  • 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:48.150
  • YOU HAD SAID THERE'S NO VACANCY
  • 00:14:48.150 --> 00:14:49.250
  • FOR YOU HERE.
  • 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:50.170
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THAT'S
  • 00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:51.030
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:14:51.030 --> 00:14:51.180
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW?
  • 00:14:51.180 --> 00:14:52.120
  • AND I -- IF THERE'S ONE THING,
  • 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.060
  • AS A PASTOR,
  • 00:14:54.060 --> 00:14:55.070
  • YOU KNOW SPEAKING
  • 00:14:55.070 --> 00:14:55.210
  • PASTOR TO PASTOR.
  • 00:14:55.210 --> 00:14:56.290
  • ONE THING, AS A PASTOR,
  • 00:14:56.290 --> 00:14:58.030
  • THAT I WISH I COULD CONSTANTLY
  • 00:14:58.030 --> 00:15:00.260
  • INSTILL INTO MY CONGREGATION;
  • 00:15:00.260 --> 00:15:03.180
  • IT'S THAT OBEDIENCE IS NOT WHAT
  • 00:15:03.180 --> 00:15:05.040
  • YOU WANT TO DO.
  • 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:06.190
  • OBEDIENCE IS WHAT YOU DO
  • 00:15:06.190 --> 00:15:07.280
  • WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO.
  • 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:09.040
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:10.130
  • MATT HAGEE: WHEN I LOOK
  • 00:15:10.130 --> 00:15:10.290
  • AT MY CHILDREN, AND I SAY,
  • 00:15:10.290 --> 00:15:12.050
  • "CLEAR THE TABLE."
  • 00:15:12.050 --> 00:15:13.050
  • THERE'S NOT A ONE OF THEM
  • 00:15:13.050 --> 00:15:13.280
  • THAT WANTS TO CLEAR THE TABLE.
  • 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:15.110
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
  • 00:15:15.110 --> 00:15:16.000
  • MATT HAGEE: THEY'RE OBEDIENT,
  • 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:16.290
  • BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE DAD
  • 00:15:16.290 --> 00:15:18.000
  • HAS GIVEN A DIRECTIVE;
  • 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.050
  • WE MUST DO THIS.
  • 00:15:19.050 --> 00:15:20.250
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CHURCH
  • 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:22.010
  • TODAY, THEY FEEL LIKE,
  • 00:15:22.010 --> 00:15:22.290
  • WHEN WILL I WANT TO OBEY?
  • 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:24.180
  • NEVER.
  • 00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:25.150
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NEVER.
  • 00:15:25.150 --> 00:15:26.150
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW YOU'RE
  • 00:15:26.150 --> 00:15:27.060
  • NEVER GOING TO WANT TO OBEY.
  • 00:15:27.060 --> 00:15:28.110
  • THE QUESTION IS,
  • 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:28.230
  • "DO YOU LOVE THE LORD ENOUGH
  • 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:29.170
  • TO OBEY?"
  • 00:15:29.170 --> 00:15:30.220
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:31.120
  • KENDAL HAGEE: WHAT DID YOU SEE
  • 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:32.060
  • AS THE BLESSING OF DOING THAT?
  • 00:15:32.060 --> 00:15:32.290
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:32.290 --> 00:15:33.220
  • OBEDIENCE BRINGS THE BLESSING?
  • 00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:34.170
  • I MEAN WHAT WAS GOING ON
  • 00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:35.090
  • OUTSIDE THE WALLS
  • 00:15:35.090 --> 00:15:36.080
  • OF THAT BOND HEARING?
  • 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:37.260
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WELL,
  • 00:15:37.260 --> 00:15:39.170
  • YOU KNOW THE LORD WAS WORKING
  • 00:15:39.170 --> 00:15:40.090
  • WITH ME; YOU KNOW.
  • 00:15:40.090 --> 00:15:41.100
  • HE WAS REMINDING ME ON THE WAY
  • 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:42.270
  • TO THAT PODIUM
  • 00:15:42.270 --> 00:15:44.000
  • THAT I'M A SINNER.
  • 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.160
  • AND HE CONVICTED MY HEART.
  • 00:15:45.160 --> 00:15:47.090
  • AND HE SAID, "YES,
  • 00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:48.240
  • THIS YOUNG MAN MURDERED
  • 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.110
  • YOUR WIFE,
  • 00:15:49.110 --> 00:15:50.020
  • BUT YOU'VE DONE SOME THINGS
  • 00:15:50.020 --> 00:15:51.070
  • TOO; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:15:51.070 --> 00:15:52.030
  • I FORGAVE YOU."
  • 00:15:52.030 --> 00:15:53.250
  • AND THEN THE SCRIPTURE
  • 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:54.130
  • THAT HE GAVE ME THE DAY BEFORE
  • 00:15:54.130 --> 00:15:56.080
  • ABOUT FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:56.280
  • ALL THIS WAS GOING THROUGH
  • 00:15:56.280 --> 00:15:57.280
  • MY MIND.
  • 00:15:57.280 --> 00:15:58.260
  • AND THEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THE
  • 00:15:58.260 --> 00:15:59.220
  • OTHER TIMES THAT I DID FORGIVE;
  • 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:01.260
  • YOU KNOW BEING OBEDIENT,
  • 00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:03.040
  • AND HOW GOD JUST UNFOLDED
  • 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:05.140
  • AND MADE EVERYTHING SO GOOD.
  • 00:16:05.140 --> 00:16:07.110
  • AND SO I'M THINKING,
  • 00:16:07.110 --> 00:16:08.170
  • YOU KNOW I HAVE TO DO THIS.
  • 00:16:08.170 --> 00:16:10.210
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:16:10.210 --> 00:16:12.060
  • BUT WHEN I DID, I REALIZED,
  • 00:16:12.060 --> 00:16:14.100
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:15.020
  • WOULD HE BROUGHT OUT GOOD
  • 00:16:15.020 --> 00:16:16.000
  • IN SOME OF MY YEARS BEFORE
  • 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.110
  • BEING OBEDIENT?
  • 00:16:17.110 --> 00:16:18.200
  • HE BROUGHT IT OUT AGAIN.
  • 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:19.250
  • HE JUST RELIEVED ME, FREED ME.
  • 00:16:19.250 --> 00:16:22.090
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL AND I DON'T
  • 00:16:22.090 --> 00:16:23.060
  • KNOW THAT YOU EVEN PERCEIVE THE
  • 00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:24.220
  • POWERFUL ROLE THAT YOU PLAYED
  • 00:16:24.220 --> 00:16:25.260
  • IN THAT MOMENT,
  • 00:16:25.260 --> 00:16:26.290
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE A COMMUNITY
  • 00:16:26.290 --> 00:16:27.260
  • LEADER, WHO HAS, UH,
  • 00:16:27.260 --> 00:16:30.220
  • JUSTIFIABLE REASONS
  • 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:32.080
  • TO TAKE ACTION.
  • 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:33.170
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:16:33.170 --> 00:16:34.020
  • MATT HAGEE: THERE WOULD NOT
  • 00:16:34.020 --> 00:16:34.210
  • HAVE BEEN A PERSON
  • 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:35.130
  • ON THE PLANET THAT WOULD HAVE
  • 00:16:35.130 --> 00:16:37.090
  • CHASTISED YOU OR THOUGHT LESS
  • 00:16:37.090 --> 00:16:38.240
  • OF YOU HAD YOU POINTED YOUR
  • 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:39.270
  • FINGER ACROSS THE MICROPHONE
  • 00:16:39.270 --> 00:16:40.270
  • AND BEGAN TO SCOLD
  • 00:16:40.270 --> 00:16:41.190
  • THAT YOUNG MAN.
  • 00:16:41.190 --> 00:16:43.060
  • AND HAD YOU REACTED IN
  • 00:16:43.060 --> 00:16:46.020
  • THAT WAY, SUCH A NATURAL WAY,
  • 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:48.220
  • THEN THE CONCERNS OF THE NATION
  • 00:16:48.220 --> 00:16:51.080
  • AND THE COMMUNITY
  • 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:52.200
  • AROUND CHARLESTON WOULD HAVE
  • 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.000
  • IMMEDIATELY BEEN IGNITED,
  • 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:56.170
  • BECAUSE THE WORLD WAS BRACING
  • 00:16:56.170 --> 00:16:57.290
  • FOR THE IMPACT OF THE RACIAL
  • 00:16:57.290 --> 00:16:59.050
  • CLASH THAT WAS GETTING READY
  • 00:16:59.050 --> 00:17:00.110
  • TO OCCUR.
  • 00:17:00.110 --> 00:17:01.020
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:17:01.020 --> 00:17:02.010
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YET,
  • 00:17:02.010 --> 00:17:02.170
  • WHEN YOU DEMONSTRATED THE KIND
  • 00:17:02.170 --> 00:17:03.230
  • OF BEHAVIOR THAT SET AN EXAMPLE
  • 00:17:03.230 --> 00:17:06.200
  • OF PEACE AND SET AN EXAMPLE
  • 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.220
  • OF LOVE,
  • 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:09.120
  • WHICH THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS
  • 00:17:09.120 --> 00:17:10.080
  • OF CHRISTIANITY,
  • 00:17:10.080 --> 00:17:11.150
  • YOU KNOW PEACE AND LOVE.
  • 00:17:11.150 --> 00:17:13.100
  • AND WHEN YOU SET THAT EXAMPLE,
  • 00:17:13.100 --> 00:17:15.270
  • ALL OF A SUDDEN,
  • 00:17:15.270 --> 00:17:16.210
  • THAT COMMUNITY BEGAN TO SETTLE
  • 00:17:16.210 --> 00:17:18.260
  • INTO A TIME OF GRIEF
  • 00:17:18.260 --> 00:17:20.010
  • AND MOURNING.
  • 00:17:20.010 --> 00:17:21.060
  • BUT THEY DID NOT CREATE
  • 00:17:21.060 --> 00:17:23.090
  • FURTHER CRISIS,
  • 00:17:23.090 --> 00:17:24.240
  • BECAUSE YOU STOOD UP
  • 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:25.230
  • AND ACTED LIKE A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:17:25.230 --> 00:17:26.280
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:27.260
  • AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
  • 00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:28.170
  • HAPPENED.
  • 00:17:28.170 --> 00:17:29.110
  • AND THAT FORGIVENESS BEGAN
  • 00:17:29.110 --> 00:17:30.070
  • TO HEAL,
  • 00:17:30.070 --> 00:17:30.230
  • NOT ONLY ME AND MY FAMILY AND
  • 00:17:30.230 --> 00:17:31.280
  • MY CHURCH, BUT OUR COMMUNITY;
  • 00:17:31.280 --> 00:17:33.180
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:34.050
  • YOU KNOW THE CHARLESTON
  • 00:17:34.050 --> 00:17:35.060
  • COMMUNITY;
  • 00:17:35.060 --> 00:17:36.080
  • YOU KNOW WE'RE VERY HOSPITABLE
  • 00:17:36.080 --> 00:17:37.190
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:38.040
  • MATT HAGEE: IT IS.
  • 00:17:38.040 --> 00:17:38.280
  • IT'S GOT SOUTHERN CHARM.
  • 00:17:38.280 --> 00:17:40.100
  • IT'S GOT A LONG HISTORY.
  • 00:17:40.100 --> 00:17:41.120
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: A LONG
  • 00:17:41.120 --> 00:17:42.080
  • HISTORY; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:43.060
  • MATT HAGEE: AND PREDICATED ON
  • 00:17:43.060 --> 00:17:43.240
  • YOUR PERSPECTIVE,
  • 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:44.170
  • THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE GO,
  • 00:17:44.170 --> 00:17:45.140
  • "WELL IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN
  • 00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:47.030
  • THERE."
  • 00:17:47.030 --> 00:17:47.200
  • AND YET, WHENEVER SOMEBODY
  • 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.110
  • SHOWS THEM
  • 00:17:49.110 --> 00:17:49.280
  • THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY,
  • 00:17:49.280 --> 00:17:51.120
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:17:51.120 --> 00:17:52.010
  • THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY WERE
  • 00:17:52.010 --> 00:17:52.220
  • WILLING TO FOLLOW.
  • 00:17:52.220 --> 00:17:53.190
  • BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S
  • 00:17:53.190 --> 00:17:54.190
  • AN ELEMENT IN EVERY HUMAN BEING
  • 00:17:54.190 --> 00:17:56.280
  • THAT SAYS,
  • 00:17:56.280 --> 00:17:57.130
  • "I JUST WANT TO KNOW
  • 00:17:57.130 --> 00:17:57.280
  • WHAT'S RIGHT."
  • 00:17:57.280 --> 00:17:58.130
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THAT'S
  • 00:17:58.130 --> 00:17:59.020
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:17:59.020 --> 00:17:59.170
  • AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
  • 00:17:59.170 --> 00:18:00.080
  • THEY FOLLOWED WHAT WAS RIGHT.
  • 00:18:00.080 --> 00:18:01.080
  • YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY CAME
  • 00:18:01.080 --> 00:18:02.110
  • TOGETHER, ALL RACES, CULTURES,
  • 00:18:02.110 --> 00:18:04.250
  • DENOMINATIONS.
  • 00:18:04.250 --> 00:18:06.010
  • WE JUST CAME TOGETHER TRYING
  • 00:18:06.010 --> 00:18:07.160
  • TO CONSOLE EACH OTHER,
  • 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:08.130
  • BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS AFFECTED,
  • 00:18:08.130 --> 00:18:10.290
  • YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
  • 00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:12.210
  • AND EVERYBODY STARTED DOING
  • 00:18:12.210 --> 00:18:15.070
  • SELF-EXAMINATIONS ABOUT THEIR
  • 00:18:15.070 --> 00:18:16.280
  • LIVES AND WHERE THEY WERE
  • 00:18:16.280 --> 00:18:18.040
  • AND HOW THEY'D BEEN TREATING
  • 00:18:18.040 --> 00:18:19.280
  • EACH OTHER, AND UH --
  • 00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:21.210
  • MATT HAGEE: IT CREATED
  • 00:18:21.210 --> 00:18:22.130
  • CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE
  • 00:18:22.130 --> 00:18:23.030
  • NEVER BEEN HAD.
  • 00:18:23.030 --> 00:18:23.270
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:18:23.270 --> 00:18:24.140
  • MATT HAGEE: AND BROUGHT HEALING
  • 00:18:24.140 --> 00:18:25.050
  • THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN
  • 00:18:25.050 --> 00:18:25.260
  • ACCOMPLISHED.
  • 00:18:25.260 --> 00:18:26.210
  • IT ESTABLISHED MORE OF THE
  • 00:18:26.210 --> 00:18:28.080
  • PRESENCE OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD
  • 00:18:28.080 --> 00:18:29.190
  • IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD
  • 00:18:29.190 --> 00:18:31.070
  • HAVE NEVER BEEN ACHIEVED.
  • 00:18:31.070 --> 00:18:32.120
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NEVER.
  • 00:18:32.120 --> 00:18:32.280
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW YOU
  • 00:18:32.280 --> 00:18:34.030
  • LOOK BACK ON IT,
  • 00:18:34.030 --> 00:18:34.270
  • AND YOU SAY,
  • 00:18:34.270 --> 00:18:35.110
  • YOU KNOW LORD, ONCE AGAIN,
  • 00:18:35.110 --> 00:18:36.280
  • YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED
  • 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:37.190
  • YOUR FAITHFULNESS,
  • 00:18:37.190 --> 00:18:38.170
  • BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE
  • 00:18:38.170 --> 00:18:40.150
  • ALL THINGS.
  • 00:18:40.150 --> 00:18:41.130
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:18:41.130 --> 00:18:42.030
  • AND HE DID AND HE STILL IS.
  • 00:18:42.030 --> 00:18:43.290
  • MATT HAGEE: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:18:43.290 --> 00:18:45.000
  • SO WHERE IS THE MINISTRY NOW?
  • 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.070
  • WHERE IS THE COMMUNITY NOW,
  • 00:18:47.070 --> 00:18:48.280
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:18:48.280 --> 00:18:49.170
  • THIS FAR REMOVED
  • 00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:50.050
  • FROM THE EVENT?
  • 00:18:50.050 --> 00:18:50.260
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WELL RIGHT
  • 00:18:50.260 --> 00:18:51.170
  • NOW, THE COMMUNITY,
  • 00:18:51.170 --> 00:18:52.190
  • WE, AS PASTORS,
  • 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:54.050
  • ARE TAKING THE LEAD.
  • 00:18:54.050 --> 00:18:55.140
  • MATT HAGEE: THAT'S AWESOME.
  • 00:18:55.140 --> 00:18:56.140
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: AND THE
  • 00:18:56.140 --> 00:18:57.120
  • MAYOR OF OUR CITY, TECKLENBURG,
  • 00:18:57.120 --> 00:18:59.010
  • HE FORMED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE
  • 00:18:59.010 --> 00:19:00.220
  • OF PASTORS,
  • 00:19:00.220 --> 00:19:01.280
  • AND WE'RE FOCUSING ON RACIAL
  • 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:03.150
  • RECONCILIATION, FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:19:03.150 --> 00:19:04.290
  • AND REPENTANCE.
  • 00:19:04.290 --> 00:19:06.120
  • HE'S ESTABLISHED A DEPARTMENT
  • 00:19:06.120 --> 00:19:08.000
  • FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE STATE
  • 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:09.000
  • OF SOUTH CAROLINA, I BELIEVE,
  • 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:09.260
  • ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES,
  • 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:11.260
  • THE DEPARTMENT OF RACIAL
  • 00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:12.190
  • RECONCILIATION; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:15.010
  • AND WE ARE -- I MEAN THERE'S
  • 00:19:15.130 --> 00:19:18.130
  • SO MANY THINGS GOING ON.
  • 00:19:18.130 --> 00:19:19.150
  • THE DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS,
  • 00:19:19.150 --> 00:19:21.090
  • WE'RE PREACHING ACROSS
  • 00:19:21.090 --> 00:19:23.190
  • EACH OTHER'S PULPITS.
  • 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:24.270
  • OUR CONGREGATIONS ARE --
  • 00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:26.000
  • PASTOR MATT: WORKING TOGETHER.
  • 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:26.180
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YEAH.
  • 00:19:26.180 --> 00:19:27.030
  • -- COMING TOGETHER.
  • 00:19:27.030 --> 00:19:27.200
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW I
  • 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:28.150
  • THINK IT'S A VERY FITTING THING
  • 00:19:28.150 --> 00:19:29.100
  • FOR THE CHURCH TO LEAD
  • 00:19:29.100 --> 00:19:30.070
  • THAT EFFORT, UH,
  • 00:19:30.070 --> 00:19:32.000
  • BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE CHURCH
  • 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:32.270
  • IS THE ONLY ONE WITH THE ANSWER
  • 00:19:32.270 --> 00:19:33.280
  • TO THAT EFFORT.
  • 00:19:33.280 --> 00:19:34.200
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: ONLY.
  • 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:35.120
  • MATT HAGEE: THE ONLY THING THAT
  • 00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:36.040
  • MAKES COMMON GROUND OUT OF ALL
  • 00:19:36.040 --> 00:19:37.270
  • MEN IS THE CROSS OF CHRIST.
  • 00:19:37.270 --> 00:19:39.220
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: IT IS.
  • 00:19:39.220 --> 00:19:40.150
  • MATT HAGEE: BECAUSE IF WE FOCUS
  • 00:19:40.150 --> 00:19:41.080
  • ON OUR CULTURAL HISTORY,
  • 00:19:41.080 --> 00:19:42.200
  • OUR PERSONAL HISTORY,
  • 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:43.160
  • OUR FINANCIAL HISTORY,
  • 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.150
  • OUR EDUCATIONAL HISTORY,
  • 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:46.020
  • ANYWHERE WE START TO WALK
  • 00:19:46.020 --> 00:19:47.120
  • IN ANYBODY ELSE'S SHOES,
  • 00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:48.170
  • WE FIND DIFFERENCES.
  • 00:19:48.170 --> 00:19:50.050
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: ALWAYS.
  • 00:19:50.050 --> 00:19:50.240
  • MATT HAGEE: ONE PLACE WHERE
  • 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:51.220
  • EVERY COLOR, EVERY CREED,
  • 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:52.170
  • EVERY NATION, EVERY INTELLECT,
  • 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:54.010
  • EVERY DIALECT,
  • 00:19:54.010 --> 00:19:55.090
  • ALL OF THEM ARE THE SAME --
  • 00:19:55.090 --> 00:19:56.200
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: ALL
  • 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:57.040
  • THE SAME.
  • 00:19:57.040 --> 00:19:57.160
  • MATT HAGEE: -- IS WHEN WE GET
  • 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:58.040
  • TO THE FOOT OF THE CROSS,
  • 00:19:58.040 --> 00:19:58.240
  • BECAUSE THERE,
  • 00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:59.120
  • EVERY MAN IS EQUALLY A SINNER
  • 00:19:59.120 --> 00:20:01.060
  • AND EVERY MAN EQUALLY
  • 00:20:01.060 --> 00:20:02.060
  • CAN BE SAVED.
  • 00:20:02.060 --> 00:20:03.120
  • AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF
  • 00:20:03.120 --> 00:20:04.140
  • IS RECONCILIATION.
  • 00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:05.070
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES, IT IS.
  • 00:20:05.070 --> 00:20:06.010
  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:20:06.010 --> 00:20:06.200
  • WHENEVER THE WORLD SAYS
  • 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.140
  • WE'VE GOT AN ANSWER
  • 00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:08.100
  • FOR RECONCILIATION,
  • 00:20:08.100 --> 00:20:09.060
  • IF IT DOESN'T START AND END
  • 00:20:09.060 --> 00:20:10.130
  • WITH CHRIST, IT'S AN IDEA,
  • 00:20:10.130 --> 00:20:13.030
  • BUT IT CAN'T WORK; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:20:13.030 --> 00:20:15.060
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: EXACTLY.
  • 00:20:15.060 --> 00:20:15.240
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
  • 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:16.130
  • WE WANT TO GIVE YOU
  • 00:20:16.130 --> 00:20:17.100
  • THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR MORE
  • 00:20:17.100 --> 00:20:18.220
  • FROM REVEREND THOMPSON
  • 00:20:18.220 --> 00:20:20.090
  • IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS.
  • 00:20:20.090 --> 00:20:21.080
  • WHEN WE COME BACK,
  • 00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:22.080
  • HE AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE
  • 00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:22.270
  • A CONVERSATION YOU WON'T SOON
  • 00:20:22.270 --> 00:20:24.020
  • FORGET.
  • 00:20:24.020 --> 00:20:24.150
  • GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:20:24.150 --> 00:20:24.270
  • YOU'RE WATCHING
  • 00:20:24.270 --> 00:20:25.120
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:26.120
  • MUSIC
  • 00:20:26.120 --> 00:20:29.110
  • MUSIC
  • 00:20:29.110 --> 00:20:30.130
  • YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CAN EXPLORE
  • 00:20:30.130 --> 00:20:31.240
  • ISRAEL WITH PASTOR MATT,
  • 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.110
  • KENDAL,
  • 00:20:33.110 --> 00:20:33.240
  • AND THEIR CHILDREN
  • 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:34.200
  • ON THE 2020 ISRAEL FAMILY TRIP.
  • 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.050
  • THIS ISN'T YOUR TYPICAL
  • 00:20:37.050 --> 00:20:38.010
  • PILGRIMAGE.
  • 00:20:38.010 --> 00:20:39.000
  • THIS FUN AND EXCITING TRIP
  • 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:40.100
  • IS DESIGNED FOR FAMILIES.
  • 00:20:40.100 --> 00:20:41.290
  • MORE THAN JUST VISITING
  • 00:20:41.290 --> 00:20:42.260
  • HISTORICAL PLACES,
  • 00:20:42.260 --> 00:20:44.080
  • PAST WILL MEET PRESENT,
  • 00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:45.120
  • AS YOU SAIL ACROSS THE SEA
  • 00:20:45.120 --> 00:20:46.250
  • OF GALILEE.
  • 00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:47.240
  • DISCOVER ANCIENT ANTIQUITIES
  • 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.150
  • WHILE ON AN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG.
  • 00:20:49.150 --> 00:20:51.120
  • RECREATE THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE
  • 00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:52.280
  • OF AN ANCIENT BIBLICAL VILLAGE,
  • 00:20:52.280 --> 00:20:54.160
  • INCLUDING HERDING SHEEP
  • 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:55.230
  • AND MAKING CHEESE.
  • 00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:57.000
  • MUSIC
  • 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:57.260
  • FLOAT ON THE DEAD SEA
  • 00:20:57.260 --> 00:20:58.270
  • AND SWIM IN THE MEDITERRANEAN.
  • 00:20:58.270 --> 00:21:00.160
  • TAKE COMMUNION
  • 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:01.090
  • AT THE GARDEN TOMB,
  • 00:21:01.090 --> 00:21:02.060
  • AND BE BAPTIZED
  • 00:21:02.060 --> 00:21:03.040
  • IN THE JORDAN RIVER.
  • 00:21:03.040 --> 00:21:04.110
  • WHETHER YOU'RE RIDING ATV'S
  • 00:21:04.110 --> 00:21:05.170
  • ACROSS THE DESERT
  • 00:21:05.170 --> 00:21:06.140
  • OR TAKING PART
  • 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:07.070
  • IN A CAMEL CARAVAN,
  • 00:21:07.070 --> 00:21:08.180
  • THIS IS THE PERFECT WAY
  • 00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:09.190
  • TO BRING THE BIBLE TO LIFE
  • 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:10.290
  • FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
  • 00:21:10.290 --> 00:21:12.130
  • SPACE IS LIMITED,
  • 00:21:12.130 --> 00:21:13.210
  • SO CALL OR GO TO JHM.ORG
  • 00:21:13.210 --> 00:21:16.170
  • FOR MORE INFORMATION,
  • 00:21:16.170 --> 00:21:17.260
  • AND RESERVE YOUR SPOT
  • 00:21:17.260 --> 00:21:19.020
  • ON THIS ONE-OF-A-KIND TOUR
  • 00:21:19.020 --> 00:21:20.190
  • TODAY.
  • 00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:21.210
  • MUSIC
  • 00:21:24.060 --> 00:21:27.060
  • MUSIC
  • 00:21:27.060 --> 00:21:27.220
  • GO.
  • 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:28.160
  • GO AND TELL THE WORLD
  • 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:29.220
  • THAT JESUS CAME, DIED
  • 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.110
  • AND ROSE AGAIN
  • 00:21:31.110 --> 00:21:32.120
  • FOR THE FORGIVENESS
  • 00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:33.000
  • OF YOUR SINS.
  • 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.060
  • GO AND SHARE THE GOOD NEWS
  • 00:21:34.060 --> 00:21:35.030
  • OF YOUR SALVATION.
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:36.170
  • TAKE IT INTO THE FURTHERMOST
  • 00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:37.260
  • CORNERS OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:21:37.260 --> 00:21:38.270
  • THIS CHARGE IS FOR EVERY
  • 00:21:38.270 --> 00:21:39.290
  • CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:21:39.290 --> 00:21:40.200
  • BUT NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN KNOWS
  • 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.020
  • HOW TO PREACH AMONGST
  • 00:21:42.020 --> 00:21:43.020
  • THE DAY-TO-DAY RHYTHMS OF LIFE.
  • 00:21:43.020 --> 00:21:44.180
  • WE DO AND WE CAN DO THIS
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  • TOGETHER.
  • 00:21:46.080 --> 00:21:47.040
  • CONNECT YOUR PASSION WITH OURS.
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  • BECOME A LEGACY PARTNER TODAY.
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  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
  • 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:51.290
  • OR GO TO JHM.ORG/LEGACY.
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  • MUSIC
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  • MUSIC
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  • MATT HAGEE: REVEREND THOMPSON,
  • 00:21:58.170 --> 00:21:59.220
  • YOU KNOW WE WERE HAVING
  • 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:01.000
  • A CONVERSATION EARLIER
  • 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:02.010
  • ABOUT OBEDIENCE.
  • 00:22:02.010 --> 00:22:03.150
  • AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE WORD,
  • 00:22:03.150 --> 00:22:06.000
  • BUT IT'S NOT EASY
  • 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:06.290
  • TO ACCOMPLISH.
  • 00:22:06.290 --> 00:22:07.220
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
  • 00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:08.080
  • MATT HAGEE: AND THE THING THAT
  • 00:22:08.080 --> 00:22:09.120
  • I WANTED TO ASK YOU
  • 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:10.120
  • IN THIS MOMENT WITH MATT IS,
  • 00:22:10.120 --> 00:22:12.170
  • THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
  • 00:22:12.170 --> 00:22:14.080
  • A POLITICAL AGENDA,
  • 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:16.020
  • A PERSONAL AGENDA,
  • 00:22:16.020 --> 00:22:17.160
  • AND A BIBLICAL AGENDA.
  • 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.230
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:19.100
  • MATT HAGEE: AND SO MUCH OF
  • 00:22:19.100 --> 00:22:19.280
  • THE WORLD WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW
  • 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:20.270
  • IS WRAPPED UP IN THE FIRST TWO,
  • 00:22:20.270 --> 00:22:22.180
  • OUR PERSONAL AGENDA
  • 00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:23.130
  • OR OUR POLITICAL AGENDA.
  • 00:22:23.130 --> 00:22:25.070
  • AND SOMETIMES WE LIKE
  • 00:22:25.070 --> 00:22:26.040
  • TO CAMOUFLAGE IT
  • 00:22:26.040 --> 00:22:27.030
  • WITH A BIBLICAL AGENDA.
  • 00:22:27.030 --> 00:22:28.190
  • AND IN THIS CASE, UH,
  • 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:30.240
  • YOU KNOW OUT OF THIS TRAGEDY,
  • 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.110
  • UNFORTUNATELY,
  • 00:22:32.110 --> 00:22:33.060
  • ALL THREE OF THOSE AGENDAS
  • 00:22:33.060 --> 00:22:34.140
  • IMMEDIATELY COME INTO PLAY.
  • 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:36.020
  • YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE,
  • 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:36.190
  • WHO COME TO YOU TO CONSOLE YOU,
  • 00:22:36.190 --> 00:22:39.080
  • BUT THEY HAVE A POLITICAL
  • 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:40.050
  • AGENDA FOR YOUR TRAGEDY.
  • 00:22:40.050 --> 00:22:41.250
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:42.100
  • MATT HAGEE: AND THEN YOU HAVE
  • 00:22:42.100 --> 00:22:42.280
  • PEOPLE,
  • 00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:43.170
  • WHO COME TO COMFORT YOU,
  • 00:22:43.170 --> 00:22:44.060
  • BUT THEY HAVE A PERSONAL AGENDA
  • 00:22:44.060 --> 00:22:45.110
  • FOR YOUR TRAGEDY.
  • 00:22:45.110 --> 00:22:46.170
  • AND THEN THE LORD STEPS IN,
  • 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:47.200
  • AND HE SAYS,
  • 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.170
  • HERE'S YOUR CHOICE;
  • 00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:49.240
  • YOU CAN EITHER DO
  • 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:50.140
  • THE POLITICAL, THE PERSONAL,
  • 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:51.230
  • OR YOU CAN DO THE BIBLICAL.
  • 00:22:51.230 --> 00:22:53.080
  • AND WHAT I TRY TO ENCOURAGE
  • 00:22:53.080 --> 00:22:55.070
  • PEOPLE TO REMEMBER IS THAT MOST
  • 00:22:55.070 --> 00:22:56.200
  • OF THE TIME THAT BIBLICAL
  • 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:57.280
  • AGENDA IS GOING TO BE THE LEAST
  • 00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:59.140
  • ATTRACTIVE OF THEM ALL.
  • 00:22:59.140 --> 00:23:00.170
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:23:00.170 --> 00:23:01.080
  • YES.
  • 00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:02.020
  • MATT HAGEE: HOW DID YOU SEE
  • 00:23:02.020 --> 00:23:02.200
  • THAT RELATE IN YOUR SITUATION?
  • 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:03.240
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WELL,
  • 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:04.090
  • IT WAS JUST LIKE YOU SAID.
  • 00:23:04.090 --> 00:23:06.030
  • WHEN GOD CAME TO ME AND SPOKE
  • 00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:07.230
  • ABOUT FORGIVING DYLANN,
  • 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:08.270
  • AND TELLING ME TO SPREAD
  • 00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:11.200
  • THE GOSPEL OF FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.150
  • I WAS SAYING "NO" IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:23:13.150 --> 00:23:15.200
  • NO, I CAN'T.
  • 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.170
  • I CAN'T DO IT.
  • 00:23:16.170 --> 00:23:17.080
  • AND WHY DO YOU WANT ME
  • 00:23:17.080 --> 00:23:17.220
  • TO DO IT, FIRST OF ALL.
  • 00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:19.140
  • I'M MOURNING.
  • 00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:20.090
  • YOU KNOW MY WIFE JUST DIED.
  • 00:23:20.090 --> 00:23:21.180
  • WHY NOW?
  • 00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:22.260
  • I HAD ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
  • 00:23:22.260 --> 00:23:24.270
  • MATT HAGEE: AND IT CERTAINLY
  • 00:23:24.270 --> 00:23:25.150
  • DIDN'T LINE UP
  • 00:23:25.150 --> 00:23:26.040
  • WITH THE POLITICAL AGENDA.
  • 00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:27.020
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
  • 00:23:27.020 --> 00:23:28.160
  • MATT HAGEE: AND ESPECIALLY
  • 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:29.060
  • IN THE CLIMATE OF POLITICS THAT
  • 00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:30.270
  • THIS NATION'S IN RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:23:30.270 --> 00:23:32.100
  • IT IS ONE EXTREME OR THE OTHER.
  • 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:34.230
  • THE MIDDLE GROUND OF RATIONAL
  • 00:23:34.230 --> 00:23:36.170
  • CONVERSATION IS GONE; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:39.020
  • AND YET,
  • 00:23:39.020 --> 00:23:40.030
  • THE THING THAT I THINK IS
  • 00:23:40.030 --> 00:23:40.270
  • SO BEAUTIFUL ABOUT GOD'S GRACE;
  • 00:23:40.270 --> 00:23:43.010
  • WHEN YOU WILLINGLY SURRENDER TO
  • 00:23:43.010 --> 00:23:45.060
  • HIS BIBLICAL AGENDA,
  • 00:23:45.060 --> 00:23:47.090
  • HE WILL RECREATE YOUR PERSONAL
  • 00:23:47.090 --> 00:23:48.290
  • AGENDA.
  • 00:23:48.290 --> 00:23:50.000
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:50.190
  • MATT HAGEE: NOW YOU HAVE
  • 00:23:50.190 --> 00:23:51.110
  • AN AGENDA TO SHARE THIS GOSPEL
  • 00:23:51.110 --> 00:23:52.130
  • OF FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:23:52.130 --> 00:23:53.260
  • AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:23:53.260 --> 00:23:55.200
  • EVERY FAMILY,
  • 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.050
  • EVERY COMPANY,
  • 00:23:57.050 --> 00:23:58.220
  • EVERY CHURCH,
  • 00:23:58.220 --> 00:23:59.270
  • EVERY DENOMINATION,
  • 00:23:59.270 --> 00:24:01.040
  • EVERY CONGREGATION,
  • 00:24:01.040 --> 00:24:02.200
  • EVERY GENERATION -- I MEAN YOU
  • 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:04.010
  • CAN DIVIDE IT AS MANY WAYS
  • 00:24:04.010 --> 00:24:05.080
  • AS HUMANITY HAS BEEN DIVIDED;
  • 00:24:05.080 --> 00:24:07.070
  • THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'VE GOT
  • 00:24:07.070 --> 00:24:08.200
  • TO FORGIVE EACH OTHER.
  • 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:09.290
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: WE HAVE TO.
  • 00:24:09.290 --> 00:24:10.270
  • MATT HAGEE: THE YOUNG
  • 00:24:10.270 --> 00:24:12.020
  • GENERATION HAS TO FORGIVE
  • 00:24:12.020 --> 00:24:13.090
  • THE OLDER GENERATION
  • 00:24:13.090 --> 00:24:14.100
  • FOR THEIR EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:15.210
  • THE EXPERIENCED GENERATION
  • 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:16.230
  • HAS GOT TO FORGIVE THE YOUNGER
  • 00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:17.240
  • GENERATION FOR THEIR YOUTHFUL
  • 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.050
  • ENTHUSIASM.
  • 00:24:19.050 --> 00:24:19.260
  • I MEAN IT DOESN'T MATTER.
  • 00:24:19.260 --> 00:24:20.170
  • EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING
  • 00:24:20.170 --> 00:24:21.150
  • THAT HAS OFFENDED THE OTHER.
  • 00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:23.020
  • AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING
  • 00:24:23.020 --> 00:24:23.200
  • TO GET OVER IT IS TO FORGIVE.
  • 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.270
  • SO NOW YOU'VE GOT A PERSONAL
  • 00:24:24.270 --> 00:24:25.270
  • AGENDA THAT'S IN ALIGNMENT
  • 00:24:25.270 --> 00:24:27.070
  • WITH GOD'S BIBLICAL AGENDA,
  • 00:24:27.070 --> 00:24:28.220
  • AND IN MANY WAYS,
  • 00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:29.180
  • IT FEEDS BACK INTO
  • 00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:30.160
  • A GREATER POLITICAL AGENDA.
  • 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.110
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:24:32.110 --> 00:24:32.290
  • MATT HAGEE: BECAUSE HOW MANY
  • 00:24:32.290 --> 00:24:33.180
  • PEOPLE DO YOU SEE
  • 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:34.050
  • IN THE POLITICAL RIGHT OR THE
  • 00:24:34.050 --> 00:24:34.260
  • POLITICAL LEFT THAT ARE SAYING,
  • 00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:36.130
  • "SOONER OR LATER WE'RE GOING
  • 00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:37.090
  • TO HAVE TO GIVE EACH OTHER
  • 00:24:37.090 --> 00:24:38.130
  • SOME GRACE AND GET BACK TO
  • 00:24:38.130 --> 00:24:39.100
  • THE MIDDLE,
  • 00:24:39.100 --> 00:24:39.250
  • BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO THIS
  • 00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:40.200
  • DIRECTION THIS MUCH LONGER"?
  • 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.060
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NO.
  • 00:24:42.060 --> 00:24:42.220
  • I DON'T SEE TOO MUCH OF THAT
  • 00:24:42.220 --> 00:24:43.120
  • GOING ON IN THE POLITICAL
  • 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.060
  • REALM.
  • 00:24:44.060 --> 00:24:44.280
  • MATT HAGEE: NOT YET.
  • 00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:45.170
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: NOT YET.
  • 00:24:45.170 --> 00:24:46.090
  • MATT HAGEE: NOT YET.
  • 00:24:46.090 --> 00:24:46.290
  • BUT I BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:24:46.290 --> 00:24:47.200
  • IF INDIVIDUALS WILL CARRY OUT
  • 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:48.250
  • GOD'S BIBLICAL AGENDA
  • 00:24:48.250 --> 00:24:50.180
  • INTO THEIR PERSONAL AGENDA,
  • 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:51.260
  • IT WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME
  • 00:24:51.260 --> 00:24:52.290
  • THE POLITICAL AGENDA.
  • 00:24:52.290 --> 00:24:53.170
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES,
  • 00:24:53.170 --> 00:24:54.050
  • I BELIEVE SO.
  • 00:24:54.050 --> 00:24:54.240
  • IT WILL BECOME THE PERSONAL
  • 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.170
  • AGENDA BECAUSE MY PERSONAL
  • 00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:58.180
  • AGENDA WAS NOT TO BE HERE
  • 00:24:58.180 --> 00:25:00.050
  • SPEAKING ABOUT FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:25:00.050 --> 00:25:00.280
  • IT WAS NOT TO FORGIVE DYLANN,
  • 00:25:00.280 --> 00:25:03.100
  • NOT TO OBEY GOD
  • 00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:04.050
  • AND DO WHAT I'M DOING NOW.
  • 00:25:04.050 --> 00:25:05.160
  • BUT ONCE I MADE THAT
  • 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.040
  • COMMITMENT,
  • 00:25:08.040 --> 00:25:08.170
  • ONCE I MADE THE COMMITMENT
  • 00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:09.240
  • TO OBEY HIM, I SAW HIM.
  • 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:12.230
  • I SAW HIS HANDIWORK.
  • 00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:14.060
  • I SAW HIM DOING EVERYTHING
  • 00:25:14.060 --> 00:25:16.010
  • THAT HE WAS TELLING ME
  • 00:25:16.010 --> 00:25:17.010
  • THAT HE WANTED ME TO DO,
  • 00:25:17.010 --> 00:25:17.230
  • BUT HE MADE IT HAPPEN;
  • 00:25:17.230 --> 00:25:19.070
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:25:19.070 --> 00:25:19.240
  • IT'S LIKE I'M LOOKING AT HIM.
  • 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.290
  • IT'S LIKE I'M WATCHING A MOVIE;
  • 00:25:20.290 --> 00:25:22.210
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:23.280
  • MATT HAGEE: AND WONDERING HOW
  • 00:25:23.280 --> 00:25:24.260
  • YOU GOT CAST.
  • 00:25:24.260 --> 00:25:25.260
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: EXACTLY;
  • 00:25:25.260 --> 00:25:26.160
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:28.130
  • MATT HAGEE: AND SO I KIND OF
  • 00:25:28.130 --> 00:25:29.220
  • LOOK AT THAT IN THE SCRIPTURAL
  • 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:30.250
  • LIGHT OF THE BIBLE SAYING
  • 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:31.290
  • THAT THE LORD WILL GIVE YOU
  • 00:25:31.290 --> 00:25:32.260
  • THE DESIRES OF YOUR HEART.
  • 00:25:32.260 --> 00:25:34.040
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:25:34.040 --> 00:25:34.260
  • MATT HAGEE: WHEN YOUR HEART IS
  • 00:25:34.260 --> 00:25:36.190
  • IN ALIGNMENT WITH HIS HEART,
  • 00:25:36.190 --> 00:25:38.130
  • YOU CAN HAVE EVERYTHING
  • 00:25:38.130 --> 00:25:39.140
  • YOU DESIRE.
  • 00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:40.160
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YOU CAN.
  • 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:41.050
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT AS LONG AS YOUR
  • 00:25:41.050 --> 00:25:41.250
  • HEART IS OUT OF ALIGNMENT,
  • 00:25:41.250 --> 00:25:43.130
  • YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE
  • 00:25:43.130 --> 00:25:44.210
  • CONSTANTLY ARGUING AGAINST
  • 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:46.090
  • AND WORKING AGAINST
  • 00:25:46.090 --> 00:25:47.290
  • WHAT GOD WANTS TO DO.
  • 00:25:47.290 --> 00:25:48.260
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: YES.
  • 00:25:48.260 --> 00:25:49.220
  • MATT HAGEE: AND UH,
  • 00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:50.080
  • I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING
  • 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:51.000
  • THAT YOU ARE UNIQUELY EQUIPPED
  • 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.030
  • TO DO.
  • 00:25:52.030 --> 00:25:52.140
  • AS A MATTER OF FACT,
  • 00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:53.030
  • IF YOU'RE WATCHING,
  • 00:25:53.030 --> 00:25:53.220
  • I ENCOURAGE YOU,
  • 00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:54.150
  • NOT ONLY TO GET A COPY OF
  • 00:25:54.150 --> 00:25:56.060
  • ANTHONY THOMPSON'S BOOK
  • 00:25:56.060 --> 00:25:57.100
  • "CALLED TO FORGIVE,"
  • 00:25:57.100 --> 00:25:58.230
  • BUT I WANT YOU TO FIND A WAY
  • 00:25:58.230 --> 00:25:59.280
  • THAT YOU CAN SHARE HIS
  • 00:25:59.280 --> 00:26:01.170
  • TESTIMONY AND THIS MESSAGE WITH
  • 00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:03.110
  • THE MEMBERS OF YOUR CHURCH,
  • 00:26:03.110 --> 00:26:04.160
  • WITH YOUR FAMILY,
  • 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:05.060
  • WITH YOUR CONGREGATION.
  • 00:26:05.060 --> 00:26:06.170
  • I ASSURE YOU,
  • 00:26:06.170 --> 00:26:07.140
  • THE GOSPEL OF FORGIVENESS WILL
  • 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.200
  • HEAL A MULTITUDE OF WOUNDS
  • 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.240
  • AND SET CAPTIVES FREE.
  • 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:12.140
  • AND REVEREND,
  • 00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:13.060
  • I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING
  • 00:26:13.060 --> 00:26:14.010
  • TO TIME TO SPEND
  • 00:26:14.010 --> 00:26:14.190
  • A MOMENT WITH MATT.
  • 00:26:14.190 --> 00:26:15.120
  • REVEREND THOMPSON: THANK YOU.
  • 00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:16.020
  • THANK YOU, MATT.
  • 00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:16.250
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU'RE WATCHING
  • 00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:17.170
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:18.030
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER THIS.
  • 00:26:18.030 --> 00:26:19.070
  • MUSIC
  • 00:26:19.070 --> 00:26:20.030
  • PRAYER MAKES A DIFFERENCE
  • 00:26:20.030 --> 00:26:20.230
  • IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:21.200
  • CALL THE HAGEE MINISTRIES'
  • 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.230
  • PRAYER LINE
  • 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:23.120
  • AT (210)491-5100
  • 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:26.010
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:26:26.010 --> 00:26:28.010
  • LET US STAND WITH YOU.
  • 00:26:28.010 --> 00:26:29.100
  • AND TOGETHER,
  • 00:26:29.100 --> 00:26:30.000
  • WE'LL SEE THE BLESSINGS OF GOD
  • 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.220
  • OVERWHELM YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:26:31.220 --> 00:26:33.090
  • MUSIC
  • 00:26:33.090 --> 00:26:33.250
  • MATT HAGEE: KENDAL AND I WOULD
  • 00:26:33.250 --> 00:26:34.180
  • LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR JOINING
  • 00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:35.200
  • US HEAR TODAY ON
  • 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:36.120
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:26:36.120 --> 00:26:37.040
  • AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
  • 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:38.010
  • REVEREND ANTHONY THOMPSON
  • 00:26:38.010 --> 00:26:39.190
  • FOR BEING AN EXAMPLE
  • 00:26:39.190 --> 00:26:41.040
  • OF CHRISTIAN CHARACTER
  • 00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:42.050
  • AND GODLINESS.
  • 00:26:42.050 --> 00:26:43.050
  • YOU KNOW FOR SHARING A STORY
  • 00:26:43.050 --> 00:26:44.240
  • THAT HAS SO MANY DYNAMICS
  • 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.280
  • IN IT; AND YET,
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  • DEMONSTRATING THAT THROUGH
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  • GOD'S GRACE AND STRENGTH,
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  • YOU CAN DO ALL THINGS
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  • THROUGH CHRIST,
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  • EVEN FORGIVE THE UNFORGIVABLE.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: AMEN.
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  • SO WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED
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  • WITH YOU.
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  • WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR
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  • THOUGHTS ABOUT TODAY'S PROGRAM.
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  • YOU CAN FIND US ON FACEBOOK
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  • AND INSTAGRAM.
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  • LEAVE US SOME COMMENDS
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  • AND TELL US WHAT GOD IS DOING
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  • IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.260
  • WE WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT
  • 00:27:03.260 --> 00:27:04.290
  • TO SEE ON OUR NEXT SHOW.
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  • TELL US SOME TOPICS
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  • SO WE CAN DISCUSS THEM HERE
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  • ON "THE DIFFERENCE"
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  • AND MATT AND KENDAL PODCAST.
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  • MATT HAGEE: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
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  • IF YOU'D LIKE TO REACH OUT
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  • AND CONTACT US,
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  • GOD BLESS YOU FOR DOING SO.
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  • WE WANT YOU TO KNOW;
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  • WHATEVER YOU DO,
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  • MAKE A DIFFERENCE TODAY.
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  • THANK YOU FOR WATCHING
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  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
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