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November 11, 2018
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  • (inspirational patriotic music)
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  • - Hi I'm Tim Barton, President of Wall Builders.
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  • On today's show we're gonna honor
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  • the men and women who have served in the
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  • United States Armed Forces, our veterans.
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  • There's three primary stories that'll shape our show today,
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  • the first is of a veteran who's now a congressman,
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  • who actually was attacked on a baseball field
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  • by a terrorist.
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  • The second story is of a Lieutenant Colonel
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  • who actually led to the capture of one of the most
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  • infamous terrorists of our era, Saddam Heussein.
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  • And lastly we'll hear from a combat veteran
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  • who actually started an organization
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  • that has unparalleled success rates
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  • when it comes to helping veterans today,
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  • the story of these heroic men and their faith in God
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  • is America's hidden history.
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  • - [Narrator] Modern historians have revised,
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  • rewritten, and even deleted entire chapters
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  • of American history.
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  • So what are we missing?
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  • What happened to the history that didn't make the books?
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  • Join historian David Barton, Tim Barton,
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  • and special guests as they uncover the facts
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  • some historians don't want you to know.
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  • This is America's Hidden History.
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  • (suspenseful instrumental)
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  • (inspirational patriotic music)
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  • - The history of Veterans Day goes all the way back
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  • to President Woodrow Wilson.
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  • President Wilson wanted to honor the men and women
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  • who had served in World War I.
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  • Well it became known as Armistice Day,
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  • and every day we would celebrate the people
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  • that served in World War I.
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  • It wasn't until President Dwight Eisenhower,
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  • after World War II,
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  • that people recognized we shouldn't just honor
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  • the military veterans from World War I,
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  • we should honor all military veterans.
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  • So President Eisenhower changed Armistice Day
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  • and it became known as Veterans Day,
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  • and that's really the origins of how
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  • Veterans Day started.
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  • (suspenseful patriotic music)
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  • - We had an opportunity to sit down
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  • with an Air Force veteran who was a high ranking military
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  • intelligence official.
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  • After he got out of the Air Force
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  • and became a U.S. congressman,
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  • while a congressman, he was the subject
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  • of a domestic terrorism attack.
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  • The story of what happened with that is amazing.
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  • Here's Tim with Congressman Barry Loudermilk of Georgia.
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  • (inspirational patriotic music)
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  • - We're with Barry Loudermilk.
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  • Congressman Loudermilk is congressman from Georgia.
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  • Actually because we're talking about Veterans Day
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  • he also was a military veteran.
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  • He serves in Congress now, but he's also part of
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  • the Congressional Republican baseball team.
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  • If you remember, that's the team that had
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  • a domestic terrorist target them,
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  • brought an assault rifle, opened up,
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  • trying to murder congressmen,
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  • where Congressman Steve Scalise was shot.
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  • Well Congressman Loudermilk was actually
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  • the congressman targeted,
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  • and received the most shots fired at him
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  • during this baseball practice,
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  • and yet God miraculously saved him.
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  • So we're here today to hear more of his story.
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  • Congressman Loudermilk.
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  • So for many years, our family's had the privilege
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  • of knowing you, getting to connect,
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  • spend time with you.
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  • So we've heard a lot of your stories
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  • and we thought on Veterans Day it really
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  • would make sense to have someone, military veteran,
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  • and the things that you've done in the military,
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  • to come and share their story.
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  • So, we wanted to know some of your military background.
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  • - Well I served in the Air Force.
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  • I worked on the intelligence side
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  • during the tail end of the Cold War.
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  • It was when we knew who our enemy was.
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  • Today with the war on terrorism
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  • and the terrorists out there,
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  • it's hard to really identify, you know,
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  • who is the enemy and who isn't.
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  • There was a lot of things that I'd saw
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  • that most even other people in the service didn't see,
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  • working in the intelligence side,
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  • and in that command in control.
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  • - So in intelligence side,
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  • does that mean you're a spy, does that mean,
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  • what does that mean to be in the intelligence side?
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  • - Well, that's very broad.
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  • You know, intelligence community in the military
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  • ranges from working with CIA,
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  • which has operatives on the ground,
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  • human intelligence, or HUMINT as we called it,
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  • the Air Force conducted a lot of signal intelligence,
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  • through aircraft, monitoring radio transmissions
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  • in the Soviet Union for instance.
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  • Or we had people that spoke fluent Russian
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  • that would just simply sit there and listen all day long
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  • for any type of intelligence.
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  • So we would take that as well as satellite imagery,
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  • diplomatic intelligence that we would pick up,
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  • and that was all combined into an overall picture of
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  • what are the Russians doing,
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  • what is the Soviet Union doing,
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  • where are they moving their troops,
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  • where are the threat areas?
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  • - Were you ever in a situation where you were engaged,
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  • that you had to do something beyond just give orders
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  • for intelligence, or can you talk about that?
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  • I don't want to get in trouble.
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  • - Yes, but that was after I left the Air Force
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  • and played baseball in Congress.
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  • (laughter)
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  • Most of what I did, we did a lot of training,
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  • and deploying and training.
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  • I was one of the fortunate and unfortunate ones
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  • that during Desert Storm I actually got orders
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  • for deployment, but before I could actually deploy
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  • we attacked a convoy of Iraqi soldiers
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  • and it pretty much brought the war to an end
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  • within days not months like we thought.
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  • So because the intelligence work we were doing,
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  • we knew where they were going,
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  • we knew who was all in that convoy,
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  • and we were able to get the right military assets there
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  • to stop the Iraqis, and pretty much that caused
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  • Saddam Heussein to realize who he was messing with.
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  • - So how did you stay in after Desert Storm?
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  • - I was in until 1992,
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  • so it was about a year and a half,
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  • two years after Desert Storm.
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  • We didn't really learn our lesson
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  • after Desert Storm.
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  • The Cold War was supposedly over,
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  • Russia was supposedly our friends,
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  • there was no need for such a large military anymore
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  • and we started a massive reduction.
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  • Some of the work I was doing was being outsourced.
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  • And having the security clearance I had,
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  • one of the contractors who was taking
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  • over some of that work came and talked to me and said,
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  • "You can still continue serving, doing what you're doing,
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  • "but we'd like for you to come do it with us."
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  • So I left and went to work for that defense contractor.
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  • - So how many years were you in the military?
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  • - I was in for a total of eight years.
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  • - Okay, and so then you got out and you were a contractor
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  • doing a lot of the same work?
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  • - It was the same work.
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  • I didn't wear a blue or camo suit everyday,
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  • I got to choose what I wore,
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  • so doing a lot of the same work through that contract,
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  • then I stayed on with the contractor
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  • doing some other IT oriented work afterwards.
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  • - So what's a transition from military contracting
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  • to Congress, how did that happen?
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  • - Well that was quite a story,
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  • that goes back, my dad was a World War II Veteran,
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  • he was a medic, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge,
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  • very dedicated Christian man,
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  • and talk a lot about the war itself,
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  • and why we were fighting.
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  • One word of advice he gave me that resonated
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  • throughout my life is,
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  • "Complaining never accomplishes anything."
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  • He said, "If there's something in life you don't like
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  • "you have two choices.
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  • "You can do something to change the situation,
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  • "or just accept the status quo and go on with your life
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  • "but never only complain."
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  • When I worked for the defense contractor
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  • we were still in Alaska, decided to come back
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  • and start my own business now that I had learned so much
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  • about information technology, so I moved to Georgia.
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  • Was following politics and was involved in
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  • a local Republican party,
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  • ended up being the party chairman,
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  • not because of anything I did,
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  • I was the new guy and it was my turn, okay,
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  • so it was,
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  • but I was really following politics.
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  • And I was getting very aggravated
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  • with our state legislature.
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  • I made the mistake of calling my dad.
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  • And we, it was just a normal phone conversation.
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  • He was actually living in Alaska at the time.
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  • And I was telling him about this,
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  • and then those words came again,
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  • "So what are you gonna do about it?"
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  • Long story short, we ended up running
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  • for the state legislature,
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  • I won a seat to the state house,
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  • a seat to the senate opened up six years later,
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  • I had no intention of running,
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  • but I felt God was leading me
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  • to run for the state senate seat, ran for that and won,
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  • and then when our congressman decided
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  • to run for the U.S. Senate it opened that seat.
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  • I was actually on the search trying to find a good person
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  • to fill that seat when, I think,
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  • I think the Lord spoke to my wife first.
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  • And I felt the calling,
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  • but I wasn't, I didn't want to go that direction
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  • until I just mentioned it to her one day and she said,
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  • "I've been feeling that this is what you should do."
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  • And so that's how I ended up in Congress,
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  • just truly following what I believe God was leading me to
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  • and I had no idea that my combat experience would come
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  • after being elected to Congress.
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  • (gunshots)
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  • (gunshot)
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  • - Many people have probably heard something,
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  • don't know the details,
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  • so what was the unfolding that day?
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  • Y'all are at a baseball practice,
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  • a man comes up with a rifle, starts shooting.
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  • If you don't mind, what are some of those details?
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  • - [Barry] We play an annual game for charity,
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  • and it's for children,
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  • and normally we raise a half million dollars or so.
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  • - [Tim] Wow.
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  • - We play at the national stadium,
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  • it's a Major League Baseball park.
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  • Anyhow, it was the last practice.
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  • This was a Wednesday morning,
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  • the game's on a Thursday evening.
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  • Practiced at a field over in Alexander, Virginia.
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  • Steve Scalise, the Whip,
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  • is a member of the baseball team.
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  • Now because Steve was there,
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  • his two capital police protective detail agents
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  • were there with him.
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  • - And so Steve is a leader in Congress,
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  • which is why he has a security detail.
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  • - [Barry] That's right
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  • - As opposed to, I guess most congressmen don't have
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  • a security detail.
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  • - Rank and file members of Congress,
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  • we don't have a capital police detail.
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  • Now typically they're in black SUV
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  • parked just outside the fence,
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  • and they're just there watching.
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  • I mean it's in a public park.
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  • people are walking their dogs.
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  • - Really early in the morning.
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  • - Really early in the morning,
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  • it started at about 7:00.
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  • We were at the tail end of practice.
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  • I was standing near home plate,
  • 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.050
  • I believe Rodney Davis from Illinois
  • 00:10:09.050 --> 00:10:10.290
  • was actually up at the plate,
  • 00:10:10.290 --> 00:10:12.270
  • and I already had a batting helmet on,
  • 00:10:12.270 --> 00:10:15.090
  • was just getting ready to
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  • take a few practice swings
  • 00:10:18.250 --> 00:10:20.040
  • when I heard a gunshot.
  • 00:10:20.040 --> 00:10:21.170
  • Trent Kelly, our third baseman, hollered, "He has a gun!"
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  • - [Cameraman] Where is this guy?
  • 00:10:24.220 --> 00:10:26.000
  • (gunshots)
  • 00:10:27.190 --> 00:10:29.270
  • - Everyone started sprinting at that point,
  • 00:10:31.010 --> 00:10:32.260
  • then that's when he started opening up.
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  • Because there was quite a pause between his first shot.
  • 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:36.160
  • His first shot he took at Trent Kelly
  • 00:10:36.160 --> 00:10:38.090
  • from about 20 feet away.
  • 00:10:38.090 --> 00:10:40.060
  • Should've hit Trent Kelly, he was very close,
  • 00:10:40.060 --> 00:10:42.210
  • but as we found out later
  • 00:10:42.210 --> 00:10:44.070
  • the bullet hit one link in the chain link fence
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  • and deflected, miracle.
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  • - Right.
  • 00:10:49.250 --> 00:10:50.240
  • - And, so Trent, who is also,
  • 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.190
  • at the time he was Colonel in the Army Reserve,
  • 00:10:55.010 --> 00:10:57.290
  • he's a Brigadier General now,
  • 00:10:57.290 --> 00:10:59.100
  • but his combat training kicked in.
  • 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:02.010
  • And so he was trying to get everyone
  • 00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:03.280
  • into an area of safety,
  • 00:11:03.280 --> 00:11:05.070
  • he was zig zagging across the field,
  • 00:11:05.070 --> 00:11:08.130
  • shots were ringing.
  • 00:11:08.130 --> 00:11:09.210
  • Now some of the law enforcement have said
  • 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:11.100
  • because I was wearing this bright yellow jersey,
  • 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:13.100
  • and I'm a pretty good size target,
  • 00:11:13.100 --> 00:11:14.220
  • that may have caused him to turn and target me.
  • 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:18.220
  • Two rounds hit on my left side,
  • 00:11:18.220 --> 00:11:20.150
  • then two rounds hit to my right.
  • 00:11:20.150 --> 00:11:22.100
  • And I realized at this point the guy
  • 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:24.030
  • is literally trying to shoot me.
  • 00:11:24.030 --> 00:11:26.220
  • I didn't realize Steve had been hit at the time.
  • 00:11:26.220 --> 00:11:29.200
  • Steve turned to run away from the shooter,
  • 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.240
  • where most everybody else was running toward the dugout,
  • 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.270
  • and he got hit in the hip.
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  • I didn't realize he was hit,
  • 00:11:38.170 --> 00:11:39.290
  • he was out of my peripheral vision at that time.
  • 00:11:39.290 --> 00:11:42.130
  • Right after I ran out the gate,
  • 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:44.030
  • one of our other staff members, Matt Mika,
  • 00:11:44.030 --> 00:11:46.060
  • he had turned to run out and saw Joe Barton,
  • 00:11:46.060 --> 00:11:49.280
  • the team manager's nine year old son standing
  • 00:11:49.280 --> 00:11:52.290
  • exposed to the dugout.
  • 00:11:52.290 --> 00:11:54.150
  • Just before he could get to him to push him in,
  • 00:11:54.150 --> 00:11:56.140
  • Matt felt a pain burning in his chest.
  • 00:11:56.140 --> 00:11:59.150
  • A bullet had entered his back,
  • 00:11:59.150 --> 00:12:01.110
  • under his, basically behind his armpit.
  • 00:12:01.110 --> 00:12:04.260
  • As we find out later miraculously turned inside of his body
  • 00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:08.000
  • missing his spine, missing his heart,
  • 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.250
  • missing any major arteries,
  • 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:12.190
  • nicked one lung, but it came out his chest.
  • 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.020
  • He was, he didn't realize he'd been hit at the time,
  • 00:12:16.020 --> 00:12:18.200
  • it was just hot searing pain.
  • 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.070
  • He still went over and pushed
  • 00:12:21.070 --> 00:12:24.050
  • Joe Barton's son down into the dugout.
  • 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.130
  • Turned to one of the other staff members, says,
  • 00:12:27.130 --> 00:12:29.230
  • "I think I've been hit," and they said go over
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  • to where the capitol police SUV is.
  • 00:12:31.250 --> 00:12:34.180
  • That was right after I left.
  • 00:12:34.180 --> 00:12:35.230
  • I went behind this little shed,
  • 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.190
  • tried to maneuver where I could get eyes on the shooter
  • 00:12:37.190 --> 00:12:40.220
  • and that's when I saw Matt turn and lay down,
  • 00:12:40.220 --> 00:12:43.210
  • blood covering the front of his shirt,
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  • and laid himself down next to the SUV.
  • 00:12:46.070 --> 00:12:49.020
  • (gunshots)
  • 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:51.100
  • Again, military training kicked in.
  • 00:12:55.190 --> 00:12:57.170
  • I've got to get to it.
  • 00:12:57.170 --> 00:12:58.270
  • So my idea of leaving the park,
  • 00:12:58.270 --> 00:13:01.170
  • totally erased at that point,
  • 00:13:01.170 --> 00:13:03.220
  • and I turned and started moving up toward Matt.
  • 00:13:03.220 --> 00:13:06.040
  • Another staff member with us, Brian Kelly,
  • 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:09.040
  • a strong Christian believer, was with me.
  • 00:13:09.040 --> 00:13:11.180
  • Now he had eyes on the shooter,
  • 00:13:11.180 --> 00:13:13.030
  • so he started telling the capitol police
  • 00:13:13.030 --> 00:13:15.190
  • who were now behind the SUV trying to see
  • 00:13:15.190 --> 00:13:18.200
  • where the shooter was.
  • 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.000
  • (Gunshot)
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  • - [Cameraman] Do we know where he's at?
  • 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.050
  • Do know where he's at?
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  • - [Male] He's behind home plate.
  • 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.150
  • - The shooter moved down behind home plate,
  • 00:13:25.150 --> 00:13:28.010
  • behind the back stop,
  • 00:13:28.010 --> 00:13:29.130
  • and I remember Brian hollering to me, "Get down,
  • 00:13:29.130 --> 00:13:31.270
  • "get down," as I was trying to make my way to Matt.
  • 00:13:31.270 --> 00:13:34.150
  • (gunshot)
  • 00:13:34.150 --> 00:13:37.100
  • (distant yelling)
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  • I dropped down, I heard a bullet go by my head,
  • 00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:42.270
  • you could hear the (imitates bullet)
  • 00:13:42.270 --> 00:13:44.120
  • sound as it went by.
  • 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:45.210
  • It hit the shed next to me.
  • 00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:47.060
  • As we found out later there were several bullet holes
  • 00:13:47.060 --> 00:13:48.290
  • in the side of that shed
  • 00:13:48.290 --> 00:13:50.150
  • where he was targeting Brian and I throughout this thing.
  • 00:13:50.150 --> 00:13:52.200
  • Resorted to shooting under the SUV,
  • 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.220
  • trying to get to us.
  • 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:56.000
  • When he did that he hit Crystal Grinner,
  • 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.050
  • one of the capitol police, police officers in the ankle.
  • 00:13:58.050 --> 00:14:01.140
  • She was maybe 10 feet from me
  • 00:14:01.140 --> 00:14:03.220
  • when I saw her ankle explode.
  • 00:14:03.220 --> 00:14:05.180
  • I'm listening for sirens.
  • 00:14:05.180 --> 00:14:06.280
  • I know that we need to hear sirens,
  • 00:14:06.280 --> 00:14:08.240
  • not only to take the shooter down
  • 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.010
  • but for professional medical attention.
  • 00:14:10.010 --> 00:14:12.160
  • The Alexandria police came.
  • 00:14:12.160 --> 00:14:14.240
  • David drew him out in the open,
  • 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.210
  • and it was like a Gunfight a the O.K Corral.
  • 00:14:16.210 --> 00:14:19.250
  • (gunshots)
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  • One of the Alexandria officers got a shot on him,
  • 00:14:28.290 --> 00:14:31.150
  • caused him to drop his SKS.
  • 00:14:31.150 --> 00:14:33.070
  • First time I actually saw him he had a handgun,
  • 00:14:33.070 --> 00:14:36.070
  • and he and David Bailey were standing
  • 00:14:36.070 --> 00:14:38.250
  • maybe 20 yards from each other, 30 yards,
  • 00:14:38.250 --> 00:14:43.210
  • just firing at each other,
  • 00:14:43.210 --> 00:14:45.150
  • other than David would tell him, "Drop your weapon!
  • 00:14:45.150 --> 00:14:48.240
  • "Drop your weapon!"
  • 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.080
  • I remember at one time I hollered, "Just shoot him!"
  • 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.120
  • It's obvious he's not gonna drop his weapon,
  • 00:14:55.050 --> 00:14:56.220
  • that's what they have to do.
  • 00:14:56.220 --> 00:14:58.040
  • So, as they were engaged in that shootout,
  • 00:14:59.210 --> 00:15:04.230
  • two Alexandria police officers with ARs
  • 00:15:06.140 --> 00:15:08.100
  • were able to actually take him down.
  • 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:10.260
  • (gunshots)
  • 00:15:10.260 --> 00:15:13.030
  • (distant yelling)
  • 00:15:22.250 --> 00:15:25.190
  • As soon as the shooter hit the ground,
  • 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:28.250
  • I sprinted up to Matt.
  • 00:15:28.250 --> 00:15:31.070
  • Brian Kelly, the guy that was with me
  • 00:15:31.070 --> 00:15:32.240
  • knew that Scalise had been hit,
  • 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.100
  • so he took up out in the field,
  • 00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:36.250
  • and then Brad Wenstrup,
  • 00:15:36.250 --> 00:15:38.000
  • who as a combat physician,
  • 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.160
  • he's currently in the Army reserve,
  • 00:15:41.160 --> 00:15:43.150
  • stayed in the line of fire himself,
  • 00:15:43.150 --> 00:15:45.140
  • because he saw Scalise was down,
  • 00:15:45.140 --> 00:15:46.270
  • and he went directly, he's really what saved Steve's life.
  • 00:15:46.270 --> 00:15:50.210
  • But as soon as I got to Matt,
  • 00:15:56.050 --> 00:15:58.290
  • my thought was, "What is it I have to do right now?"
  • 00:15:58.290 --> 00:16:02.200
  • And I really didn't wanna do
  • 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:03.270
  • what I felt God was leading me to do,
  • 00:16:03.270 --> 00:16:05.110
  • which was pray for his healing,
  • 00:16:05.110 --> 00:16:06.190
  • because there was no way this guy was gonna live.
  • 00:16:06.190 --> 00:16:08.260
  • But I felt that's what I needed to do.
  • 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:10.170
  • I laid my hand on his head,
  • 00:16:10.170 --> 00:16:11.280
  • and I can't tell you exactly what a prayed,
  • 00:16:11.280 --> 00:16:13.260
  • but it was a prayer that God would sustain him,
  • 00:16:13.260 --> 00:16:16.160
  • and God would bring him out of this.
  • 00:16:16.160 --> 00:16:18.190
  • After being shot twice, no way I thought he,
  • 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:21.050
  • they nearly lost him on the way to the hospital.
  • 00:16:21.050 --> 00:16:24.000
  • But Matt pitched to me in practice,
  • 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.090
  • just a couple months ago.
  • 00:16:26.090 --> 00:16:27.220
  • - Wow.
  • 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:28.200
  • (suspenseful patriotic music)
  • 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:32.040
  • - There's over 20 miracles that happened.
  • 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.270
  • That's why when I think about this,
  • 00:16:40.270 --> 00:16:43.010
  • and I'm reliving it, even until today,
  • 00:16:43.010 --> 00:16:46.060
  • reliving moments of it,
  • 00:16:46.060 --> 00:16:47.160
  • I just see God's hands in Providence.
  • 00:16:47.160 --> 00:16:49.170
  • They're on that field.
  • 00:16:49.170 --> 00:16:50.190
  • - Well and I would point out,
  • 00:16:50.190 --> 00:16:52.090
  • the idea of God being involved,
  • 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:54.160
  • and God responding, and miracles,
  • 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:57.280
  • you actually wrote a book about moments in history
  • 00:16:57.280 --> 00:17:02.200
  • when someone prayed and God did something miraculous.
  • 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.040
  • So this is not even a new thought for you necessarily.
  • 00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:09.150
  • Obviously it's a little different
  • 00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:10.250
  • when it's real in your life. - That's right.
  • 00:17:10.250 --> 00:17:12.080
  • But this is something that, I mean, as a believer,
  • 00:17:12.080 --> 00:17:15.000
  • You thought a lot about the idea of God getting involved.
  • 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.290
  • - Absolutely, and I never thought that I would live
  • 00:17:17.290 --> 00:17:20.080
  • anything close to what these guys experienced in the book.
  • 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:24.080
  • And the book just talks about,
  • 00:17:24.080 --> 00:17:26.130
  • and through America's history,
  • 00:17:26.130 --> 00:17:28.090
  • instances that God showed up in a mighty way.
  • 00:17:28.090 --> 00:17:31.070
  • And it's not just about the prayer,
  • 00:17:31.070 --> 00:17:34.000
  • the prayers that were prayed,
  • 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:35.110
  • but it was the men and the women
  • 00:17:35.110 --> 00:17:36.290
  • who had the courage to take on impossible tasks,
  • 00:17:36.290 --> 00:17:40.050
  • but knew where the power to achieve that came from.
  • 00:17:40.050 --> 00:17:43.280
  • From Washington praying in Valley Forge,
  • 00:17:43.280 --> 00:17:45.240
  • even all the way up through the Apollo 8 space mission.
  • 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.180
  • Moments of prayer is what sustained this nation.
  • 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:51.130
  • God's divine intervention.
  • 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:53.040
  • Those are the types of stories
  • 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:54.090
  • that we highlight in the book.
  • 00:17:54.090 --> 00:17:56.040
  • - So as a military veteran, looking at Veterans Day,
  • 00:17:56.040 --> 00:17:59.110
  • what you think about Veterans Day as it comes each year?
  • 00:17:59.110 --> 00:18:02.040
  • Are there things you remember from the military?
  • 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:03.250
  • Obviously the shooting after the military,
  • 00:18:03.250 --> 00:18:06.040
  • the combat you've seen,
  • 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:07.260
  • what do you think about Veterans Day?
  • 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:09.100
  • - Veterans Day is that day that we observe all who served,
  • 00:18:09.100 --> 00:18:11.240
  • because all gave some,
  • 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.090
  • and then some gave all.
  • 00:18:14.100 --> 00:18:15.270
  • But there are many that are lame today.
  • 00:18:15.270 --> 00:18:19.100
  • I served with Brian Mast in Congress,
  • 00:18:19.100 --> 00:18:21.210
  • who had both of his legs blown off
  • 00:18:21.210 --> 00:18:23.270
  • during the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
  • 00:18:23.270 --> 00:18:26.010
  • And you know that there are wounds
  • 00:18:26.010 --> 00:18:28.260
  • that are greater than just the physical ones.
  • 00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:31.280
  • There's family wounds, the separation of families.
  • 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:34.170
  • Every person who ever served and was
  • 00:18:34.170 --> 00:18:36.190
  • honorably discharged from service,
  • 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:39.170
  • there are sacrifices that they've made,
  • 00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:41.180
  • their lives have been changed.
  • 00:18:41.180 --> 00:18:43.030
  • Some, they will live with these memories
  • 00:18:43.030 --> 00:18:44.280
  • throughout their life.
  • 00:18:44.280 --> 00:18:46.080
  • But every veteran I've ever talked to
  • 00:18:46.080 --> 00:18:48.110
  • said they would not trade it in one minute
  • 00:18:48.110 --> 00:18:51.130
  • for the ability to serve their country
  • 00:18:51.130 --> 00:18:53.160
  • so that others may live in freedom,
  • 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:55.010
  • and that's really what it means.
  • 00:18:55.010 --> 00:18:56.200
  • - Sure, so how should the average American
  • 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.160
  • view and respond on Veterans Day?
  • 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.200
  • What should our behavior be.
  • 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.180
  • - The best behavior that you can do for a veteran
  • 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:07.060
  • is to just say thank you.
  • 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:08.180
  • I mean, that's it.
  • 00:19:08.180 --> 00:19:10.040
  • If someone comes up and says, you know,
  • 00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:12.100
  • with their heart says, "Thank you for your service,"
  • 00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:15.160
  • that's all that they need.
  • 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.270
  • They didn't serve for the benefits,
  • 00:19:17.270 --> 00:19:19.180
  • they didn't serve for be able to get a low cost home loan,
  • 00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:22.150
  • they didn't serve to have free medical care.
  • 00:19:22.150 --> 00:19:25.170
  • They served because they love the United States of America,
  • 00:19:25.170 --> 00:19:28.210
  • they love freedom, they love God,
  • 00:19:28.210 --> 00:19:31.200
  • and they know that America
  • 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.010
  • is the last great hope of the world.
  • 00:19:33.010 --> 00:19:34.250
  • And it requires sacrifice,
  • 00:19:34.250 --> 00:19:37.080
  • and that's why they serve.
  • 00:19:37.080 --> 00:19:38.250
  • And to just have someone, even if they were,
  • 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:41.010
  • the few World War II veterans that we have,
  • 00:19:41.010 --> 00:19:43.090
  • or Korea, or Vietnam, or the war on terror, Desert Storm,
  • 00:19:43.090 --> 00:19:47.230
  • doesn't matter how far back they served.
  • 00:19:47.230 --> 00:19:49.280
  • To hear somebody say, "I appreciate what you did for me,"
  • 00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:53.010
  • that means the world to these guys.
  • 00:19:53.010 --> 00:19:55.120
  • - Well Congressman, we appreciate what you've done.
  • 00:19:55.120 --> 00:19:57.120
  • We appreciate you still serving,
  • 00:19:57.120 --> 00:19:58.280
  • and fighting for the right kind of values in Congress,
  • 00:19:58.280 --> 00:20:00.210
  • and thank you for taking time to tell your story.
  • 00:20:00.210 --> 00:20:02.200
  • - Well thank you for having me,
  • 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.030
  • and we appreciate everything that you, and David,
  • 00:20:04.030 --> 00:20:05.160
  • and all of Wall Builders do.
  • 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.090
  • - Thank you so much.
  • 00:20:07.090 --> 00:20:08.080
  • (inspirational patriotic music)
  • 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:12.010
  • - Congressman Steve Russell of Oklahoma
  • 00:20:13.070 --> 00:20:14.210
  • is an Army veteran.
  • 00:20:14.210 --> 00:20:16.120
  • It was his unit in the Army that was
  • 00:20:16.120 --> 00:20:18.030
  • able to capture Saddam Hussein.
  • 00:20:18.030 --> 00:20:19.280
  • It's an amazing story that he told in the book, We Got Him.
  • 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:22.280
  • Here's Congressman Steve Russell's story.
  • 00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:24.270
  • (inspirational patriotic music)
  • 00:20:24.270 --> 00:20:28.270
  • - My name is Steve Russell,
  • 00:20:38.140 --> 00:20:40.080
  • and I represent Oklahoma's fifth congressional district
  • 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:43.290
  • in the United States Congress.
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  • My role in the military started in 1985.
  • 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:50.160
  • I was commissioned from Washita Baptist University,
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  • and became an infantryman.
  • 00:20:54.110 --> 00:20:55.270
  • I served 21 years, served in a variety of places,
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  • the Arctic, the desert, Europe,
  • 00:20:59.110 --> 00:21:01.270
  • all of the continental United States.
  • 00:21:01.270 --> 00:21:04.030
  • It was quite a journey.
  • 00:21:04.030 --> 00:21:06.220
  • I knew that a lot of things would be brewing in Iraq.
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  • When I was still deployed on operation Enduring Freedom,
  • 00:21:12.280 --> 00:21:15.280
  • to Afghanistan, there was an awful lot of planning going on
  • 00:21:15.280 --> 00:21:19.280
  • during the summer of 2002, late summer.
  • 00:21:19.280 --> 00:21:23.040
  • And as I had deployed back from Afghanistan,
  • 00:21:24.100 --> 00:21:28.090
  • I knew it was just a matter of time that
  • 00:21:28.090 --> 00:21:30.140
  • we likely would be going to Iraq.
  • 00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:34.160
  • I was also slated to command a battalion,
  • 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:37.260
  • the First Battalion 22nd Infantry.
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:41.010
  • And having seen the plans,
  • 00:21:42.080 --> 00:21:44.120
  • I knew that that unit was among the units
  • 00:21:44.120 --> 00:21:48.010
  • that was going to be deployed in the initial
  • 00:21:48.010 --> 00:21:50.220
  • fighting in Iraq.
  • 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.200
  • So, I knew what the future held,
  • 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.020
  • and I had just prayed for guidance,
  • 00:21:56.020 --> 00:21:58.000
  • and the decision-making, and the clarity
  • 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:00.130
  • to be able to lead 1000 soldiers in battle.
  • 00:22:00.130 --> 00:22:04.190
  • But at the same time, I felt like all of my life
  • 00:22:04.190 --> 00:22:08.110
  • had been kind of prepared for that moment.
  • 00:22:08.110 --> 00:22:11.180
  • And I had had previous combat experience,
  • 00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:14.230
  • most of the soldiers that I would be commanding did not.
  • 00:22:14.230 --> 00:22:17.090
  • That gave me some assurance that I at least knew
  • 00:22:17.090 --> 00:22:21.000
  • that I might be able to keep them
  • 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:22.210
  • out of harm's way a little better.
  • 00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:24.120
  • I didn't have a foreboding,
  • 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.190
  • I had kind of a resigned confidence,
  • 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:33.190
  • that I was exactly where I needed to be.
  • 00:22:34.230 --> 00:22:36.280
  • We went to Iraq because Saddam was an evil man.
  • 00:22:36.280 --> 00:22:40.110
  • He had attacked every neighboring country, except for Syria.
  • 00:22:40.110 --> 00:22:44.180
  • As soon as he had gained power, he attacked Iran,
  • 00:22:44.180 --> 00:22:47.220
  • in a war that cost literally millions.
  • 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:50.290
  • He attacked Kuwait, he murdered
  • 00:22:50.290 --> 00:22:54.060
  • 20.000 of his own political opponents,
  • 00:22:54.060 --> 00:22:56.120
  • murdered his own son-in-law after inviting him back,
  • 00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:58.190
  • saying, "Oh, all is forgiven."
  • 00:22:58.190 --> 00:23:00.040
  • He guessed Kurds in villages with chemical weapons.
  • 00:23:00.040 --> 00:23:04.020
  • He eliminated the swamp Arabs,
  • 00:23:04.020 --> 00:23:05.280
  • murdered 300.000 Shia Arabs.
  • 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:08.100
  • You know, and we tend to forget that context.
  • 00:23:08.100 --> 00:23:13.070
  • In the Gulf War in '91,
  • 00:23:13.070 --> 00:23:15.030
  • what a lot of people fail to recognize is
  • 00:23:15.030 --> 00:23:17.050
  • we destroyed so much of what Saddam was doing
  • 00:23:17.050 --> 00:23:21.290
  • to create and further a nuclear capability.
  • 00:23:21.290 --> 00:23:25.030
  • But he never gave up that idea.
  • 00:23:25.030 --> 00:23:27.150
  • And he certainly wanted to possess them,
  • 00:23:27.150 --> 00:23:29.120
  • and he certainly conveyed to the world that he had them.
  • 00:23:29.120 --> 00:23:32.020
  • That alone, if you say, "I've got a gun,"
  • 00:23:32.020 --> 00:23:34.160
  • and you go in a bank, well guess what,
  • 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.130
  • the police aren't gonna ask any questions,
  • 00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:38.150
  • "Well, does he really have a gun?
  • 00:23:38.150 --> 00:23:39.260
  • "Maybe I shouldn't, I don't know,
  • 00:23:39.260 --> 00:23:41.140
  • "let's check it out first."
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:43.010
  • And so, this revisionist type of thing,
  • 00:23:43.010 --> 00:23:46.130
  • where we sully the reputations of people like Colin Powell,
  • 00:23:46.130 --> 00:23:49.170
  • and we try to sully the reputations
  • 00:23:49.170 --> 00:23:51.040
  • of presidents and leaders.
  • 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:52.290
  • And from a soldier's perspective,
  • 00:23:52.290 --> 00:23:54.170
  • we're just defending the Republic.
  • 00:23:54.170 --> 00:23:56.180
  • So do I regret having gone into Iraq?
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  • Absolutely not.
  • 00:24:00.070 --> 00:24:02.030
  • After 9/11, we were all struck by the fact
  • 00:24:02.030 --> 00:24:04.270
  • that there were evil people that wanted to use
  • 00:24:04.270 --> 00:24:08.040
  • any means possible, even the most innocent,
  • 00:24:08.040 --> 00:24:10.200
  • to cause destruction and mayhem toward the United States.
  • 00:24:12.010 --> 00:24:15.000
  • And so, we were alert to all kinds of dangers
  • 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.050
  • and harboring, and that certainly got us into Afghanistan.
  • 00:24:18.050 --> 00:24:20.230
  • But with regard to Iraq,
  • 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:22.100
  • it was kind of unfinished business.
  • 00:24:22.100 --> 00:24:24.110
  • We went in in 2003, wasn't really surprising
  • 00:24:24.110 --> 00:24:27.160
  • to any of us in the military.
  • 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:29.200
  • We had had plans on the shelf,
  • 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.040
  • with units identified and earmarked towards it,
  • 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.240
  • we exercised those things, and you know,
  • 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.290
  • we rotated troops to Kuwait, and to the Sinai,
  • 00:24:38.290 --> 00:24:41.150
  • and all kinds of things that were all kind of interrelated
  • 00:24:41.150 --> 00:24:43.290
  • about a response.
  • 00:24:43.290 --> 00:24:45.140
  • My association with the capture of Saddam Hussein
  • 00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:48.050
  • was really due to geography.
  • 00:24:48.050 --> 00:24:51.020
  • We had troops in Mosul, and also north of Tikrit,
  • 00:24:51.020 --> 00:24:55.050
  • and in Tikrit,
  • 00:24:55.050 --> 00:24:56.120
  • but we occupied the city of Tikrit in May.
  • 00:24:56.120 --> 00:24:58.290
  • It was Saddam's hometown, that's where he was from,
  • 00:24:58.290 --> 00:25:01.160
  • and so that began our association with a lot of it.
  • 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.290
  • But as we began to work in that area,
  • 00:25:04.290 --> 00:25:06.290
  • these two businessmen came up to a gate and they said,
  • 00:25:06.290 --> 00:25:11.100
  • "We have some information for Colonel Russell."
  • 00:25:11.100 --> 00:25:14.240
  • Russell, by the way, in Arabic means prophet,
  • 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.140
  • that's how they pronounced my name.
  • 00:25:17.140 --> 00:25:19.120
  • They said they had this information
  • 00:25:19.120 --> 00:25:21.040
  • about Saddam and his security apparatus,
  • 00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:23.270
  • and I thought, "I don't have time
  • 00:25:23.270 --> 00:25:25.240
  • "for this type of histrionics and dramatics,"
  • 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:28.090
  • and so the Sergeant went back out to him
  • 00:25:28.090 --> 00:25:30.040
  • and they said, "Well, we won't
  • 00:25:30.040 --> 00:25:31.100
  • "give the information to anybody else."
  • 00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:33.010
  • It's one of those times, you ever have a moment in your life
  • 00:25:33.010 --> 00:25:35.120
  • where God saved you from yourself?
  • 00:25:35.120 --> 00:25:37.160
  • Well, this was one of those moments,
  • 00:25:39.130 --> 00:25:40.250
  • and you know, something wasn't on at my gut.
  • 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:43.060
  • I thought, "Well, what if they've got something?"
  • 00:25:43.060 --> 00:25:45.220
  • So I invited them in, and we began to talk.
  • 00:25:45.220 --> 00:25:48.110
  • And the next two and a half hours,
  • 00:25:48.110 --> 00:25:49.270
  • on sheets of butcher paper,
  • 00:25:49.270 --> 00:25:51.040
  • they mapped out Saddam's security apparatus,
  • 00:25:51.040 --> 00:25:54.190
  • and detailed how he operated much like a mafia don.
  • 00:25:54.190 --> 00:25:58.110
  • And as they mapped it all out,
  • 00:25:58.110 --> 00:26:00.020
  • I was looking at it and I thought,
  • 00:26:01.090 --> 00:26:02.260
  • "This is the most organized lie I've ever heard,
  • 00:26:02.260 --> 00:26:06.020
  • "or there's got to be something to this."
  • 00:26:06.020 --> 00:26:09.060
  • We worked very closely as we
  • 00:26:09.060 --> 00:26:12.130
  • developed and got this information,
  • 00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:14.230
  • to go find out who these family members were.
  • 00:26:14.230 --> 00:26:18.230
  • We did a raid in June, that netted Abid Mahmud,
  • 00:26:18.230 --> 00:26:23.230
  • who was Saddam's presidential secretary.
  • 00:26:24.250 --> 00:26:26.120
  • He would be like our White House Chief of Staff.
  • 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:28.150
  • He was so important, he was
  • 00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:29.270
  • the ace of diamonds on the deck of cards.
  • 00:26:29.270 --> 00:26:31.280
  • There were only four aces, Saddam and his two sons,
  • 00:26:31.280 --> 00:26:34.250
  • and this guy.
  • 00:26:34.250 --> 00:26:36.050
  • So that got a lot of attention,
  • 00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:38.000
  • when this guy was pulled out of the deck.
  • 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.290
  • And information not long after that
  • 00:26:40.290 --> 00:26:43.020
  • that we were able to get as a buzz after that raid
  • 00:26:43.020 --> 00:26:46.130
  • led us to a place known as the Hadoshi Farm.
  • 00:26:46.130 --> 00:26:50.220
  • And we were given information that
  • 00:26:51.270 --> 00:26:53.240
  • that's where Saddam was hiding.
  • 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.040
  • So we put together the raid very, very quickly.
  • 00:26:56.040 --> 00:26:59.030
  • And while we didn't get Saddam in that raid,
  • 00:26:59.030 --> 00:27:01.130
  • looking back on it we think he was probably there,
  • 00:27:01.130 --> 00:27:04.280
  • much like he was caught later that year,
  • 00:27:04.280 --> 00:27:07.050
  • and not far from that location.
  • 00:27:07.050 --> 00:27:09.270
  • As the summer developed, a lot of fights,
  • 00:27:09.270 --> 00:27:11.220
  • we had killed, we had wounded.
  • 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:13.250
  • In the fall, they began to get clever
  • 00:27:13.250 --> 00:27:15.200
  • with antiaircraft missiles,
  • 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.000
  • and we had some terrible incidents where we had
  • 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:21.070
  • helicopters shot down and soldiers killed.
  • 00:27:21.070 --> 00:27:23.210
  • But we continued to do the fighting, and do the raids.
  • 00:27:23.210 --> 00:27:28.110
  • And my commander, Colonel Jim Hickey,
  • 00:27:28.110 --> 00:27:31.010
  • commanded the 1st Brigade 4th Infantry division,
  • 00:27:31.010 --> 00:27:33.170
  • and my Battalion was a part of that,
  • 00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:35.260
  • he was adamant that we stayed enemy focused.
  • 00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:38.110
  • So as it developed later in the fall,
  • 00:27:38.110 --> 00:27:41.240
  • we had captured a couple of these Muslit brothers,
  • 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.080
  • other units had captured a couple of more,
  • 00:27:45.080 --> 00:27:47.040
  • and we were literally closing the ring on these families.
  • 00:27:47.040 --> 00:27:51.070
  • Things developed, I remember Secretary Rumsfeld came in,
  • 00:27:51.070 --> 00:27:54.050
  • and he had asked General Odierno, our division commander,
  • 00:27:54.050 --> 00:27:57.040
  • "Are we gonna get Saddam?"
  • 00:27:57.040 --> 00:27:58.150
  • And general Odierno, and this was
  • 00:27:58.150 --> 00:28:00.020
  • a week before he was caught, said, "We're close.
  • 00:28:00.020 --> 00:28:02.170
  • "I think we'll have him by Christmas."
  • 00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:04.070
  • Well, it was true.
  • 00:28:04.070 --> 00:28:05.120
  • We all were hopeful, we could sense
  • 00:28:05.120 --> 00:28:07.010
  • the momentum was building.
  • 00:28:07.010 --> 00:28:08.210
  • And there were a lot of things
  • 00:28:08.210 --> 00:28:09.210
  • that unfolded during that time.
  • 00:28:09.210 --> 00:28:11.050
  • On December 4th, we did a raid that was very important.
  • 00:28:11.050 --> 00:28:16.030
  • It captured some key individuals
  • 00:28:16.290 --> 00:28:19.120
  • where we went after, working with
  • 00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:21.140
  • a special operations team we'd been working with
  • 00:28:21.140 --> 00:28:24.040
  • since October, led by a guy I'll call John,
  • 00:28:24.040 --> 00:28:26.220
  • it led to some information that ultimately
  • 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:29.140
  • put us on the path of a family
  • 00:28:29.140 --> 00:28:31.220
  • that had helped Harbor Saddam in 1959.
  • 00:28:33.130 --> 00:28:36.220
  • On December 7th I think it was,
  • 00:28:36.220 --> 00:28:39.150
  • a teenage boy walked up to a checkpoint
  • 00:28:39.150 --> 00:28:41.130
  • where some soldiers were and he said,
  • 00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:43.170
  • "I know where some important people are hiding."
  • 00:28:43.170 --> 00:28:46.050
  • And it's a real credit to the soldiers
  • 00:28:46.050 --> 00:28:47.250
  • that they didn't just brush this boy off.
  • 00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:50.110
  • Instead they got a translator to get
  • 00:28:50.110 --> 00:28:52.220
  • more accurate information from him,
  • 00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:55.010
  • and Colonel Hickey ultimately ended up talking to him,
  • 00:28:55.010 --> 00:28:58.160
  • and then he ordered me to take a force
  • 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.210
  • out in a western desert farm
  • 00:29:01.210 --> 00:29:03.110
  • to go see what was out there.
  • 00:29:03.110 --> 00:29:04.260
  • So I sent one of my company commanders, Mark Stafford,
  • 00:29:04.260 --> 00:29:08.090
  • who's a great warrior to this day.
  • 00:29:08.090 --> 00:29:11.200
  • And because of the information of these multiple raids,
  • 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.210
  • a lot of information was popping up
  • 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:16.150
  • about Mohammed Al Muslit.
  • 00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:18.220
  • And Mohammed Al Muslit was
  • 00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:20.170
  • really the last guy, key guy that we had been looking for.
  • 00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:23.260
  • The ring was closing in on him,
  • 00:29:23.260 --> 00:29:25.240
  • and these special operations forces did,
  • 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.080
  • I think it was a triple raid to try to find him.
  • 00:29:30.270 --> 00:29:34.210
  • It was outside of our area,
  • 00:29:34.210 --> 00:29:35.260
  • but based on good information
  • 00:29:35.260 --> 00:29:37.090
  • that we had achieved in our earlier raids.
  • 00:29:37.090 --> 00:29:39.210
  • And they got Muslit.
  • 00:29:39.210 --> 00:29:41.140
  • We were all elated.
  • 00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:43.060
  • Colonel Hickey called me early in the morning
  • 00:29:44.110 --> 00:29:46.070
  • of December 13th and he said,
  • 00:29:46.070 --> 00:29:48.080
  • "John's guys got the fat man last night."
  • 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:50.020
  • That's what we call them.
  • 00:29:50.020 --> 00:29:51.090
  • And I said, "Are you kidding me?"
  • 00:29:52.270 --> 00:29:54.130
  • And he says, "No."
  • 00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:55.120
  • He says, "Get everything ready."
  • 00:29:55.120 --> 00:29:57.290
  • He said, "We don't know where this is gonna go,
  • 00:29:57.290 --> 00:30:00.030
  • "but it could unfold very, very quickly."
  • 00:30:00.030 --> 00:30:02.050
  • And we were thrilled, because we thought
  • 00:30:03.100 --> 00:30:05.060
  • if Muslit were ever captured,
  • 00:30:05.060 --> 00:30:06.290
  • he had to know the location of Saddam, and he did.
  • 00:30:06.290 --> 00:30:10.050
  • And so John and his ops officer,
  • 00:30:10.050 --> 00:30:11.280
  • a guy I'll call Matt,
  • 00:30:11.280 --> 00:30:13.280
  • and then Brian Reed and Jim Hickey,
  • 00:30:15.020 --> 00:30:17.040
  • they gathered around the table and they
  • 00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:18.260
  • pulled out a sheet of butcher paper,
  • 00:30:18.260 --> 00:30:20.140
  • and they threw together the sketch of the plan
  • 00:30:20.140 --> 00:30:22.260
  • that ultimately became Operation Read Dawn.
  • 00:30:22.260 --> 00:30:25.260
  • And so the idea was is that we would surround the area,
  • 00:30:25.260 --> 00:30:28.290
  • surround the orchard, and cut off any access to the river,
  • 00:30:28.290 --> 00:30:32.130
  • to the surrounding wheat fields, anything,
  • 00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:35.020
  • and close that in.
  • 00:30:35.020 --> 00:30:36.120
  • And then the special operations forces teams,
  • 00:30:36.120 --> 00:30:39.250
  • John's team would be reinforced by the rest of the squadron,
  • 00:30:41.070 --> 00:30:43.170
  • and two teams would come in.
  • 00:30:43.170 --> 00:30:45.090
  • Those of us that were, you know,
  • 00:30:45.090 --> 00:30:47.110
  • had kind of closed the new surroundings,
  • 00:30:47.110 --> 00:30:49.010
  • we would look for what we called any squirters that would,
  • 00:30:49.010 --> 00:30:52.110
  • you know, run away, and then we would try to intercept.
  • 00:30:52.110 --> 00:30:55.200
  • And we were all prepared to stay there
  • 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.080
  • for several days if need be,
  • 00:30:57.080 --> 00:30:59.130
  • because we felt this was the absolute
  • 00:30:59.130 --> 00:31:01.160
  • best intelligence that we had.
  • 00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.080
  • 8 o'clock, all forces were set, both forms were seized.
  • 00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:08.060
  • Two individuals tried to flee from the southernmost farm.
  • 00:31:08.060 --> 00:31:12.160
  • They ran north through the orchard,
  • 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.130
  • and a sergeant named John Iversen,
  • 00:31:14.130 --> 00:31:16.100
  • he intercepted them, with another soldier, captured them.
  • 00:31:16.100 --> 00:31:18.190
  • Turned out to be Saddam's cook and his brother,
  • 00:31:18.190 --> 00:31:21.160
  • pretty important people.
  • 00:31:23.060 --> 00:31:24.060
  • Guy named Caius and his brother.
  • 00:31:24.060 --> 00:31:26.040
  • And as it developed, what we think that they did
  • 00:31:26.040 --> 00:31:29.000
  • is that they'd hid Saddam and ran
  • 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.100
  • in the opposite direction to try to
  • 00:31:30.100 --> 00:31:32.100
  • divert the soldiers away from the area.
  • 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.000
  • John, for his part, and his small element,
  • 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.040
  • they were at this kind of dilapidated farm hut, had a patio.
  • 00:31:39.040 --> 00:31:44.040
  • They brought Caius and his brother back there,
  • 00:31:46.100 --> 00:31:49.020
  • they found a couple of AKs, you know,
  • 00:31:49.020 --> 00:31:51.000
  • and they were trying to interrogate them,
  • 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.110
  • they had some dogs, other things,
  • 00:31:52.110 --> 00:31:53.270
  • and nothing was coming out.
  • 00:31:53.270 --> 00:31:55.170
  • But Muslit was brought along for the raid.
  • 00:31:55.170 --> 00:31:57.130
  • He wasn't happy about it.
  • 00:31:57.130 --> 00:31:58.160
  • He was terrified.
  • 00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:59.240
  • He was terrified to see Caius and his brother,
  • 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.130
  • he didn't want to be seen, heard,
  • 00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:05.130
  • associated as being the guy that fingered Saddam.
  • 00:32:05.130 --> 00:32:09.150
  • But he motions towards a foot mat that was near the patio,
  • 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:13.140
  • it looked quite normal there.
  • 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.150
  • And he motioned, and he said in a low voice, "He's here."
  • 00:32:16.290 --> 00:32:21.140
  • So then he wanted to get out of there,
  • 00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:23.270
  • and so they removed everybody,
  • 00:32:23.270 --> 00:32:26.110
  • and then they pulled this foot mat back
  • 00:32:26.110 --> 00:32:28.070
  • and they saw a couple of bits of rope and dirt.
  • 00:32:28.070 --> 00:32:31.180
  • And as they began to brush the dirt aside,
  • 00:32:31.180 --> 00:32:33.290
  • they saw that the rope was handles.
  • 00:32:33.290 --> 00:32:37.120
  • They saw it was a top.
  • 00:32:38.250 --> 00:32:41.050
  • John radioed to Colonel Hickey, and Colonel Coltrip,
  • 00:32:41.050 --> 00:32:44.160
  • and he says, "Sir, we may have something."
  • 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.070
  • We all perked up.
  • 00:32:48.070 --> 00:32:49.280
  • As they pulled the top, they saw two hands
  • 00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:52.000
  • down at the bottom, like a guy down on all fours.
  • 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.190
  • Didn't visibly see a weapon, although
  • 00:32:54.190 --> 00:32:56.250
  • there was a pistol in the hole
  • 00:32:56.250 --> 00:32:59.160
  • that's now in the Bush presidential library,
  • 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.210
  • a Glock 18c fully automatic pistol.
  • 00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:05.030
  • But they didn't visibly see that.
  • 00:33:06.090 --> 00:33:08.160
  • And instead they began to shout, and they were flashing,
  • 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.240
  • you know, we were shining the weapons lights down in there,
  • 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.150
  • ready to kill this guy.
  • 00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:16.280
  • They began to shout, "Who are you?
  • 00:33:16.280 --> 00:33:18.110
  • "Put your hands up, come out."
  • 00:33:18.110 --> 00:33:19.170
  • You know, that sort of thing.
  • 00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:20.220
  • And a translator there, a guy named Samir,
  • 00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:23.200
  • he begins to shout these things down in the hole.
  • 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.180
  • And from the whole, a voice said,
  • 00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:29.240
  • "I am Saddam Hussein, the duly elected president of Iraq,
  • 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.000
  • "and I'm willing to negotiate."
  • 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.260
  • One of John's guys says,
  • 00:33:34.260 --> 00:33:36.030
  • "Well, President Bush sends his regards."
  • 00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:38.040
  • John radioed jackpot.
  • 00:33:38.040 --> 00:33:40.090
  • It's just really hard to describe what that moment was like
  • 00:33:40.090 --> 00:33:44.060
  • for all of us that were there.
  • 00:33:44.060 --> 00:33:46.280
  • I just had to go find a place to be alone,
  • 00:33:46.280 --> 00:33:49.090
  • and reflect on a great many things.
  • 00:33:49.090 --> 00:33:51.120
  • The blood, the tears, the sweat,
  • 00:33:53.060 --> 00:33:55.010
  • the soldiers that we had lost.
  • 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:57.250
  • Sure, the Saddam raid was bloodless,
  • 00:33:57.250 --> 00:34:00.100
  • not a single shot fired,
  • 00:34:00.100 --> 00:34:01.250
  • but we had scores wounded, and a fair number killed
  • 00:34:01.250 --> 00:34:06.030
  • that made that capture possible.
  • 00:34:06.030 --> 00:34:07.210
  • Just in my unit alone, not to mention
  • 00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:09.240
  • the half a dozen units that were involved with the hunt.
  • 00:34:09.240 --> 00:34:13.040
  • And that's the story that really bears worth telling,
  • 00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:16.110
  • the sacrifices that were made.
  • 00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:18.160
  • That evil man was captured in a hole,
  • 00:34:18.160 --> 00:34:22.010
  • he was turned over to his own people, tried in their courts,
  • 00:34:22.010 --> 00:34:26.000
  • convicted of the barbaric acts that he had done,
  • 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.130
  • hung like the criminal he was three years later.
  • 00:34:29.130 --> 00:34:33.000
  • And I have no regrets about any of it,
  • 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.220
  • and it was an incredible honor to serve my country
  • 00:34:35.220 --> 00:34:39.160
  • in that capacity,
  • 00:34:39.160 --> 00:34:40.200
  • and to lead my magnificent soldiers,
  • 00:34:40.200 --> 00:34:42.290
  • and serve side-by-side with my fellow warriors
  • 00:34:42.290 --> 00:34:45.270
  • that were all involved in that.
  • 00:34:45.270 --> 00:34:48.190
  • And I just said, "God, I don't know why
  • 00:34:48.190 --> 00:34:51.210
  • "I've been involved with any of this,
  • 00:34:51.210 --> 00:34:53.270
  • "but whatever comes of it, let me use it for good."
  • 00:34:53.270 --> 00:34:57.090
  • (suspenseful patriotic music)
  • 00:34:57.090 --> 00:35:01.060
  • Those events literally became pivotal in my life.
  • 00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:11.080
  • When I came back, I went to a lot of conferences,
  • 00:35:11.080 --> 00:35:14.040
  • and talked about fighting insurgents,
  • 00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:15.200
  • talked about guerrilla tactics,
  • 00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:16.290
  • talked about the Saddam capture.
  • 00:35:16.290 --> 00:35:20.240
  • And then it reached a point where I knew
  • 00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:24.020
  • that I needed to be home, and be a dad,
  • 00:35:24.020 --> 00:35:26.110
  • and have my five kids, you know,
  • 00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:30.030
  • before they started dropping out of the nest.
  • 00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:32.160
  • One thing I've learned in life was that God will often
  • 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:37.050
  • show us things.
  • 00:35:39.010 --> 00:35:40.090
  • My life theme verse is, "Brothers, I don't count
  • 00:35:40.090 --> 00:35:43.150
  • "myself to have understood it all,
  • 00:35:43.150 --> 00:35:45.140
  • "but one thing I do,
  • 00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:47.080
  • "forgetting what's behind,
  • 00:35:47.080 --> 00:35:49.110
  • "and reaching forward to what's ahead."
  • 00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:51.090
  • And although the historic events that
  • 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:55.020
  • I was associated with will always cause me to look back,
  • 00:35:55.020 --> 00:35:59.280
  • you know, reputations are things to build on, not rest on.
  • 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:04.060
  • I've been serving my country
  • 00:36:04.060 --> 00:36:05.130
  • since I was 18, in some capacity,
  • 00:36:05.130 --> 00:36:08.170
  • and as I look at the things that I'm doing now,
  • 00:36:08.170 --> 00:36:11.060
  • I never would've imagined that I would be
  • 00:36:11.060 --> 00:36:13.110
  • serving as a member of Congress,
  • 00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.030
  • or that I would have traveled
  • 00:36:15.030 --> 00:36:16.270
  • all over the country or the world,
  • 00:36:16.270 --> 00:36:18.170
  • speaking to audiences, in cities everywhere,
  • 00:36:18.170 --> 00:36:22.040
  • meeting so many people, and doing so many things.
  • 00:36:22.040 --> 00:36:25.000
  • You just never imagined that you would do those things.
  • 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.180
  • But one thing I learned as a warrior in battle,
  • 00:36:28.180 --> 00:36:31.100
  • your own forward momentum will always create opportunities
  • 00:36:31.100 --> 00:36:36.090
  • that you'll never know if you just sit still.
  • 00:36:36.090 --> 00:36:41.090
  • (suspenseful patriotic music)
  • 00:36:42.050 --> 00:36:45.050
  • - Chad Robichaux is a Marine Corps veteran.
  • 00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:49.080
  • Special forces, eight tours in the war on terror.
  • 00:36:49.080 --> 00:36:52.080
  • He is an amazing warrior,
  • 00:36:52.080 --> 00:36:53.160
  • but he came home a broken man.
  • 00:36:53.160 --> 00:36:55.120
  • The journey of how he was restored
  • 00:36:55.120 --> 00:36:57.140
  • is an amazing story.
  • 00:36:57.140 --> 00:36:59.010
  • I got to sit down with Chad,
  • 00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:00.200
  • here's what he had to say.
  • 00:37:00.200 --> 00:37:01.290
  • (inspirational patriotic music)
  • 00:37:01.290 --> 00:37:05.290
  • - We're with Chad Robichaux.
  • 00:37:15.260 --> 00:37:17.100
  • Chad was a Marine, been deployed eight times to Afghanistan.
  • 00:37:17.100 --> 00:37:21.080
  • MMA fighter, mixed martial arts stuff.
  • 00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:23.270
  • He is also jujitsu, and actually runs
  • 00:37:23.270 --> 00:37:27.050
  • a fantastic organization now for vets,
  • 00:37:27.050 --> 00:37:30.070
  • called Mighty Oaks Warriors Program.
  • 00:37:30.070 --> 00:37:32.100
  • Chad, thanks, man.
  • 00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:33.140
  • Good to see you again.
  • 00:37:33.140 --> 00:37:34.130
  • Always love being with you.
  • 00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:35.200
  • - Yeah, same here.
  • 00:37:35.200 --> 00:37:36.150
  • Thanks for having me on.
  • 00:37:36.150 --> 00:37:37.230
  • - I wanna take you back to kinda the beginning,
  • 00:37:37.230 --> 00:37:39.260
  • take you back to your Marine days.
  • 00:37:39.260 --> 00:37:42.080
  • Why'd you get in the Marine Corps, and when?
  • 00:37:42.080 --> 00:37:45.000
  • - Well, the Marine Corps's real special to me.
  • 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.070
  • My family is three generations of Marines,
  • 00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:48.280
  • so my father's a Marine, myself, and then my son, Hunter.
  • 00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:52.170
  • My father was a Vietnam veteran.
  • 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:54.030
  • He came home, and I watched him struggle.
  • 00:37:54.030 --> 00:37:56.200
  • And growing up in that kind of home,
  • 00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:59.110
  • you know, there's a lot of alcohol, physical abuse,
  • 00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:02.030
  • so that was kind of my childhood.
  • 00:38:02.030 --> 00:38:03.200
  • And when I was 14 and 15 years old,
  • 00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:06.120
  • my brother and I were really close,
  • 00:38:06.120 --> 00:38:08.190
  • growing up in a home like that,
  • 00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:09.260
  • and my brother was shot and killed,
  • 00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:11.190
  • and the little bit I had of a family kind of fell apart.
  • 00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:14.110
  • I decided that's what I was gonna do.
  • 00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:15.240
  • My brother and I would always talk about
  • 00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:17.020
  • joining the military for a second chance at life,
  • 00:38:17.020 --> 00:38:19.060
  • and you know, when we lost him I decided
  • 00:38:19.060 --> 00:38:21.080
  • that I was going to pursue that and go into the military,
  • 00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:23.230
  • and really have a clean slate to begin my life.
  • 00:38:23.230 --> 00:38:26.280
  • And so when I was 17 years old, in 1993,
  • 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.270
  • I enlisted in the United States Marine Corps.
  • 00:38:29.270 --> 00:38:31.110
  • And part of my dream wasn't just to be a Marine,
  • 00:38:31.110 --> 00:38:34.140
  • I wanted to do some type of special operations,
  • 00:38:34.140 --> 00:38:36.070
  • because I love the water, love to swim.
  • 00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:38.030
  • And so I tried out to be a reconnaissance Marine,
  • 00:38:38.030 --> 00:38:40.010
  • and made it.
  • 00:38:40.010 --> 00:38:41.100
  • - Explain what a recon Marine is,
  • 00:38:41.100 --> 00:38:42.250
  • because that's a different level from normal guys.
  • 00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:46.220
  • - [Chad] Yeah.
  • 00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:47.290
  • Marine reconnaissance is the eyes and ears
  • 00:38:47.290 --> 00:38:49.190
  • of the Marine Corps.
  • 00:38:49.190 --> 00:38:50.240
  • And also, as a force recon Marine,
  • 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:53.020
  • even for the bigger picture of the whole effort,
  • 00:38:53.020 --> 00:38:56.270
  • in a combat theater, going out and being
  • 00:38:56.270 --> 00:38:58.110
  • the eyes and ears, to see
  • 00:38:58.110 --> 00:38:59.270
  • what's happening on the battlefield,
  • 00:38:59.270 --> 00:39:01.110
  • to conduct forward operations for the Marine Corps.
  • 00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:03.160
  • - [David] You kind of operate in many ways outside the box.
  • 00:39:03.160 --> 00:39:06.030
  • - [Chad] Yeah.
  • 00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:07.160
  • - [David] I mean, when you're out with the other side,
  • 00:39:07.160 --> 00:39:08.220
  • you're dressed like the other side,
  • 00:39:08.220 --> 00:39:10.000
  • and so when you get out fighting,
  • 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.020
  • you just don't even look the same or anything.
  • 00:39:12.020 --> 00:39:13.170
  • I mean, your thinking outside the box,
  • 00:39:13.170 --> 00:39:15.110
  • so it's a whole different level.
  • 00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:16.170
  • - Even though it was hard work to get there,
  • 00:39:16.170 --> 00:39:18.220
  • doing that job has probably been
  • 00:39:18.220 --> 00:39:19.290
  • one of the greatest blessings in my life.
  • 00:39:19.290 --> 00:39:21.120
  • My first four years in the Marine Corps, I did active duty.
  • 00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:24.150
  • And my wife and I got married, we started our family
  • 00:39:24.150 --> 00:39:26.280
  • at a very young age, 18 and 19 years old we got married.
  • 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.200
  • And so we've been married 23 years now.
  • 00:39:30.200 --> 00:39:32.290
  • - [David] Wow, congrats, that's great.
  • 00:39:32.290 --> 00:39:34.240
  • - Yeah, so it's been a long journey.
  • 00:39:34.240 --> 00:39:36.090
  • But that first four years, I was at 3rd Force Recon Company,
  • 00:39:36.090 --> 00:39:38.140
  • in Mobile, Alabama, as a reservist,
  • 00:39:38.140 --> 00:39:40.080
  • I was going to college
  • 00:39:40.080 --> 00:39:42.060
  • in order to go back in the Marine Corps as an officer.
  • 00:39:42.060 --> 00:39:44.160
  • And when 9/11 happened, I think
  • 00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:46.090
  • every military person at the time, especially in my command,
  • 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:50.010
  • being a force recon Marine, even in the reserves,
  • 00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:52.150
  • I knew my life was gonna be different.
  • 00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:53.290
  • And I think everyone was,
  • 00:39:53.290 --> 00:39:55.240
  • the attitude of the military wasn't like,
  • 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.230
  • "Oh my gosh, we're going to war."
  • 00:39:58.230 --> 00:40:00.040
  • People were showing up at their commands like,
  • 00:40:00.040 --> 00:40:01.250
  • "Hey, what's up, sir?"
  • 00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:03.010
  • Like, "When are we gonna make this right?"
  • 00:40:03.010 --> 00:40:04.210
  • And the military was motivated at that time,
  • 00:40:04.210 --> 00:40:07.100
  • and everyone wanted to deploy.
  • 00:40:07.100 --> 00:40:08.260
  • - You've got a great book out, An Unfair Advantage.
  • 00:40:11.050 --> 00:40:13.180
  • And in that, I remember even talking to you about it,
  • 00:40:13.180 --> 00:40:18.100
  • I mean, you show up in Afghanistan,
  • 00:40:18.100 --> 00:40:20.010
  • and obviously opposition there,
  • 00:40:20.010 --> 00:40:22.050
  • the Taliban and everything else,
  • 00:40:22.050 --> 00:40:23.180
  • your kind of introduction to how different
  • 00:40:23.180 --> 00:40:26.140
  • that culture was kinda revolved around
  • 00:40:26.140 --> 00:40:29.020
  • a Russian swimming pool as I recall.
  • 00:40:29.020 --> 00:40:31.050
  • I mean, tell that story.
  • 00:40:31.050 --> 00:40:32.190
  • - Yeah, one of the guys who I worked with,
  • 00:40:32.190 --> 00:40:34.060
  • like I said, I didn't live on a base,
  • 00:40:34.060 --> 00:40:36.130
  • I lived out in town,
  • 00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:37.190
  • I lived in different Afghan families' homes,
  • 00:40:37.190 --> 00:40:40.030
  • and became close to these people.
  • 00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:41.100
  • I ate dinner with their families,
  • 00:40:41.100 --> 00:40:43.030
  • I played soccer with their kids, and I didn't understand.
  • 00:40:43.030 --> 00:40:45.120
  • I think most military guys, when they went to Afghanistan,
  • 00:40:45.120 --> 00:40:47.220
  • even in the special operations community,
  • 00:40:47.220 --> 00:40:49.100
  • wouldn't have understood the cultural dynamics
  • 00:40:49.100 --> 00:40:52.100
  • of Afghanistan.
  • 00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:53.230
  • But to learn who that Afghans were,
  • 00:40:53.230 --> 00:40:56.200
  • and who the Taliban was,
  • 00:40:56.200 --> 00:40:57.280
  • what the Taliban had done to these people,
  • 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.070
  • and how oppressed these people were,
  • 00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:00.230
  • and what happened to women and children,
  • 00:41:00.230 --> 00:41:03.100
  • and just the evil in the culture.
  • 00:41:03.100 --> 00:41:05.040
  • There was this guy I worked with named Bashir.
  • 00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:07.160
  • Bashir really took me around one day
  • 00:41:07.160 --> 00:41:09.190
  • and introduced me to why, you know,
  • 00:41:09.190 --> 00:41:12.060
  • why they feared the Taliban, what had happened.
  • 00:41:12.060 --> 00:41:14.280
  • We went to a place we called the Killing Pool.
  • 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.080
  • It was an Olympic sized pool
  • 00:41:17.080 --> 00:41:18.250
  • just north of the city of Kabul.
  • 00:41:18.250 --> 00:41:21.060
  • The pool's empty now.
  • 00:41:21.060 --> 00:41:23.060
  • We went up there, and Bashir showed me,
  • 00:41:23.060 --> 00:41:26.060
  • you know, what took place there,
  • 00:41:26.060 --> 00:41:27.140
  • and how the Taliban would take people there,
  • 00:41:27.140 --> 00:41:29.130
  • and do mass executions,
  • 00:41:29.130 --> 00:41:31.240
  • where they would line people up
  • 00:41:31.240 --> 00:41:33.080
  • in both the deep end and the shallow end of the pool.
  • 00:41:33.080 --> 00:41:35.140
  • Morbidly, it would seem like
  • 00:41:35.140 --> 00:41:37.210
  • the kids were in the shallow end,
  • 00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:38.290
  • because the bullet holes were lower,
  • 00:41:38.290 --> 00:41:40.050
  • but the whole, perfect line just riddled
  • 00:41:40.050 --> 00:41:41.240
  • with bullet holes in the side wall of that pool,
  • 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:46.180
  • where they would just execute people.
  • 00:41:46.180 --> 00:41:48.030
  • They had the high dive, the three-tier high dive,
  • 00:41:48.030 --> 00:41:49.290
  • and they would throw people off the top,
  • 00:41:49.290 --> 00:41:53.090
  • right into the bottom of that pool,
  • 00:41:53.090 --> 00:41:54.210
  • just like garbage, and to kill them.
  • 00:41:54.210 --> 00:41:56.130
  • And even on the middle one, they had a metal cable,
  • 00:41:56.130 --> 00:41:59.090
  • steel cable noose they'd hang people off of.
  • 00:41:59.090 --> 00:42:01.210
  • It changed my heart and my mind,
  • 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:03.140
  • because when I went there, you know,
  • 00:42:03.140 --> 00:42:05.060
  • I'd say I'm young,
  • 00:42:05.060 --> 00:42:06.090
  • I was actually an older man,
  • 00:42:06.090 --> 00:42:07.260
  • I had already been around the military for a while,
  • 00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:09.030
  • I was close to 30 years old going there,
  • 00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:10.240
  • so I had some life maturity.
  • 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:13.000
  • But I went there like this is bravado,
  • 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.260
  • we're gonna go and retaliate for 9/11.
  • 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:19.020
  • That was my mindset going there.
  • 00:42:19.020 --> 00:42:20.120
  • But when I discovered who the Taliban was,
  • 00:42:20.120 --> 00:42:23.090
  • and what the Afghan people endured,
  • 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:25.060
  • my heart broke for those people,
  • 00:42:25.060 --> 00:42:26.160
  • and I had this kind of a real worldview
  • 00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:28.250
  • of really helping a people that couldn't help themselves.
  • 00:42:28.250 --> 00:42:31.190
  • But also there was something else that took place,
  • 00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:33.180
  • and I think that allowed that to really infect me,
  • 00:42:33.180 --> 00:42:36.250
  • and that hatred to really kinda overtake me,
  • 00:42:36.250 --> 00:42:38.280
  • and all this stuff that I seen and participated in,
  • 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.290
  • it just filled my heart with hate, and rage,
  • 00:42:41.290 --> 00:42:45.040
  • and anger, and bitterness,
  • 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:46.100
  • and I wasn't spiritually strong.
  • 00:42:46.100 --> 00:42:49.200
  • - And you come back after all that point in time,
  • 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:51.190
  • it's got to have had an effect on you,
  • 00:42:51.190 --> 00:42:54.020
  • on Kathy, on everything you do.
  • 00:42:54.020 --> 00:42:55.210
  • I mean, you got to come back
  • 00:42:55.210 --> 00:42:56.280
  • a different guy than what you went, right?
  • 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.120
  • - I'm always ashamed to say, but it's just the truth.
  • 00:42:58.120 --> 00:42:59.270
  • Like my wife and children, they were scared of me.
  • 00:42:59.270 --> 00:43:01.240
  • And I'd throw temper tantrums,
  • 00:43:01.240 --> 00:43:04.140
  • like a 15-year-old child would.
  • 00:43:04.140 --> 00:43:05.220
  • I didn't get my way, I'd punch things,
  • 00:43:05.220 --> 00:43:07.040
  • and break things, and yell at them.
  • 00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:09.120
  • I was just out of control.
  • 00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:12.100
  • And you know, that was my home.
  • 00:43:12.100 --> 00:43:13.230
  • And it was much easier to be in Afghanistan
  • 00:43:13.230 --> 00:43:16.010
  • than it was to be at home.
  • 00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:18.020
  • Eventually, those anger and those symptoms
  • 00:43:18.020 --> 00:43:22.020
  • turned into these physiological symptoms.
  • 00:43:22.020 --> 00:43:23.170
  • My arms would go numb,
  • 00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:25.050
  • I'd feel like my cheeks would go numb,
  • 00:43:25.050 --> 00:43:27.040
  • I feel like my throat was swelling shut sometimes.
  • 00:43:27.040 --> 00:43:29.120
  • And there were times I felt like I had
  • 00:43:29.120 --> 00:43:30.270
  • like a thousand pounds on my chest, I couldn't breathe.
  • 00:43:30.270 --> 00:43:32.280
  • And I didn't wanna say anything to the guys I worked with.
  • 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.290
  • I was in this real small special operations unit,
  • 00:43:34.290 --> 00:43:37.120
  • and I figured if I said anything then they would think
  • 00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:40.000
  • I was weak, and I wouldn't be able to do my job anymore.
  • 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.100
  • So I just kept it to myself, tried to push it down,
  • 00:43:42.100 --> 00:43:44.070
  • and do my job.
  • 00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:45.180
  • It worked for a little while,
  • 00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:47.230
  • but the symptoms only got worse,
  • 00:43:47.230 --> 00:43:49.100
  • and I started having these moments where I
  • 00:43:49.100 --> 00:43:50.250
  • almost felt like a out of body kind of experience.
  • 00:43:50.250 --> 00:43:53.100
  • And then I started forgetting things,
  • 00:43:53.100 --> 00:43:54.210
  • like almost losing memory.
  • 00:43:54.210 --> 00:43:56.090
  • And there was a period of about two weeks
  • 00:43:56.090 --> 00:43:58.110
  • where I kinda came to a moment of clarity,
  • 00:43:58.110 --> 00:44:01.010
  • and realized for the last two weeks
  • 00:44:01.010 --> 00:44:02.080
  • I really was almost like blacked out,
  • 00:44:02.080 --> 00:44:05.050
  • like it was just real foggy.
  • 00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:07.030
  • I knew I had to say something.
  • 00:44:07.030 --> 00:44:09.020
  • Because of what I was doing at that time,
  • 00:44:09.020 --> 00:44:11.070
  • and who I was with, I didn't only
  • 00:44:11.070 --> 00:44:12.190
  • put myself in danger by putting other people in danger.
  • 00:44:12.190 --> 00:44:14.160
  • And so I spoke up and said something,
  • 00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:16.070
  • and I was brought home,
  • 00:44:16.070 --> 00:44:17.160
  • and Kathy and I sat before psychologist,
  • 00:44:17.160 --> 00:44:20.100
  • and they diagnosed me with PTSD.
  • 00:44:20.100 --> 00:44:22.010
  • - Well I mean, you've been a tough guy all the way through.
  • 00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:24.290
  • MMA, I mean, how did MMA get mixed into this?
  • 00:44:26.030 --> 00:44:28.060
  • Because even that, you were still a great fighter
  • 00:44:28.060 --> 00:44:30.090
  • at that point in time.
  • 00:44:30.090 --> 00:44:31.150
  • - Yeah, well I was fighting on the side.
  • 00:44:31.150 --> 00:44:33.220
  • - So while you're active duty, fighting on the side.
  • 00:44:33.220 --> 00:44:36.220
  • - Yeah, well I started when I was five years old.
  • 00:44:36.220 --> 00:44:38.110
  • I always say I started when I was little,
  • 00:44:38.110 --> 00:44:39.090
  • but I'm still little.
  • 00:44:39.090 --> 00:44:40.210
  • (laughing)
  • 00:44:40.210 --> 00:44:41.290
  • But I started when I was five years old,
  • 00:44:41.290 --> 00:44:43.120
  • so I've been doing martial arts my whole life.
  • 00:44:43.120 --> 00:44:45.110
  • But at that time, I was already fighting professionally,
  • 00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:47.100
  • in MMA on the side, I was already doing jujitsu.
  • 00:44:47.100 --> 00:44:49.290
  • And so when I sat before my wife and my counselor,
  • 00:44:49.290 --> 00:44:53.010
  • and trying to figure out something to do
  • 00:44:53.010 --> 00:44:53.290
  • to get me out of this flunk,
  • 00:44:53.290 --> 00:44:55.120
  • they recommended I get those mats and wrestle,
  • 00:44:55.120 --> 00:44:57.110
  • and do jujitsu, and train.
  • 00:44:57.110 --> 00:44:59.090
  • I'll tell you, when I did,
  • 00:44:59.090 --> 00:45:00.290
  • I didn't want to at first, but when I did,
  • 00:45:00.290 --> 00:45:02.110
  • I felt like I found the cure.
  • 00:45:02.110 --> 00:45:04.020
  • But you know, you could have a cure for being,
  • 00:45:04.020 --> 00:45:06.030
  • like a medicine for being sick, and you can abuse it,
  • 00:45:06.030 --> 00:45:08.120
  • and like some people would climb into a bottle of alcohol
  • 00:45:08.120 --> 00:45:11.090
  • or take pills, like that's what I did with jujitsu and MMA.
  • 00:45:11.090 --> 00:45:14.130
  • I just dove into it, I hid there.
  • 00:45:14.130 --> 00:45:16.250
  • I never got better, I didn't fix anything.
  • 00:45:16.250 --> 00:45:18.160
  • I was still having panic attacks at night,
  • 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:19.270
  • I was still angry at home.
  • 00:45:19.270 --> 00:45:21.020
  • My family was still falling apart.
  • 00:45:21.020 --> 00:45:23.080
  • But on the outside it looked like everything was fine.
  • 00:45:23.080 --> 00:45:26.280
  • - [David] Well you were winning world championships
  • 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.110
  • and everything else.
  • 00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:29.170
  • I mean, you're all over TV and Pay Per View
  • 00:45:29.170 --> 00:45:32.070
  • and everything else.
  • 00:45:32.070 --> 00:45:33.210
  • I mean, you're winning stuff, - Yeah, so it looked like
  • 00:45:33.210 --> 00:45:34.280
  • looked good - I had it together, exactly.
  • 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.040
  • - Being an athlete on television,
  • 00:45:36.040 --> 00:45:39.010
  • you know, in the gym,
  • 00:45:39.010 --> 00:45:40.160
  • it didn't take long for me to walk out of our marriage,
  • 00:45:40.160 --> 00:45:41.190
  • and with other women around.
  • 00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:43.220
  • I would have inappropriate relationships with other women,
  • 00:45:43.220 --> 00:45:46.030
  • talking to women, and I ended up in an affair,
  • 00:45:46.030 --> 00:45:48.100
  • and didn't really even care how it affected my family.
  • 00:45:48.100 --> 00:45:51.110
  • I was just really cold at that point.
  • 00:45:51.110 --> 00:45:53.060
  • We sat our family down, we told our family
  • 00:45:53.060 --> 00:45:55.070
  • we were getting divorced, and that everything
  • 00:45:55.070 --> 00:45:57.160
  • was gonna be better, which is a lie.
  • 00:45:57.160 --> 00:45:59.190
  • I heard that excuse all the time, it wasn't gonna be better.
  • 00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:01.290
  • Our kids were devastated.
  • 00:46:01.290 --> 00:46:03.220
  • And my wife and I really had two different reactions.
  • 00:46:03.220 --> 00:46:06.090
  • I went into this apartment,
  • 00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:08.000
  • and I took a big fight on Strikeforce,
  • 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.140
  • Strikeforce with Showtime,
  • 00:46:09.140 --> 00:46:11.120
  • and started preparing for this fight,
  • 00:46:11.120 --> 00:46:13.010
  • everyone's around me, and lifting me up,
  • 00:46:13.010 --> 00:46:14.200
  • and I was kind of focused on that.
  • 00:46:14.200 --> 00:46:16.100
  • And my wife went into a church,
  • 00:46:16.100 --> 00:46:18.170
  • and she started praying for me.
  • 00:46:18.170 --> 00:46:19.260
  • She said she would just ask God,
  • 00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:21.040
  • "God, let me see Chad the way you see Chad.
  • 00:46:21.040 --> 00:46:23.130
  • "Let me love Chad the way you love Chad.
  • 00:46:23.130 --> 00:46:24.280
  • "Let me forgive Chad the way you forgave Chad."
  • 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.230
  • Meanwhile, I'm focused on this fight.
  • 00:46:26.230 --> 00:46:28.200
  • I win this giant fight in front of 10.000 people
  • 00:46:28.200 --> 00:46:30.220
  • in the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas,
  • 00:46:30.220 --> 00:46:32.070
  • and as soon as that fight was over I felt like,
  • 00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:34.220
  • you know, the whole rug of life
  • 00:46:34.220 --> 00:46:37.000
  • was pulled out from under me.
  • 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.080
  • I felt alone, and I really felt like
  • 00:46:38.080 --> 00:46:40.110
  • I had to face the damage I had done to my wife and the kids,
  • 00:46:40.110 --> 00:46:44.140
  • and I decided, you know,
  • 00:46:44.140 --> 00:46:45.270
  • that there was no more future for me,
  • 00:46:45.270 --> 00:46:47.150
  • there was no more purpose moving forward,
  • 00:46:47.150 --> 00:46:49.100
  • I had caused enough damage, my family would be sad,
  • 00:46:49.100 --> 00:46:51.120
  • but they'd be better off,
  • 00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:52.190
  • and decided I was gonna take my life.
  • 00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:54.010
  • I would sit in my closet, and I had put my family's pictures
  • 00:46:55.150 --> 00:46:57.160
  • on the ground, and I had my pistol, I had a Glock 22,
  • 00:46:57.160 --> 00:47:01.260
  • and I would sit there with that pistol,
  • 00:47:01.260 --> 00:47:03.130
  • and put it against my head, I put it to my mouth,
  • 00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:06.120
  • and I did try to decide how I was gonna do it.
  • 00:47:06.120 --> 00:47:08.280
  • And the one thing that kept me from doing it
  • 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.040
  • is that I knew at that time
  • 00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:14.180
  • the only people that were coming to see me was my kids.
  • 00:47:14.180 --> 00:47:16.040
  • My son had a key to my apartment, my son, Hunter,
  • 00:47:16.040 --> 00:47:19.070
  • and I didn't want them to find me that way.
  • 00:47:19.070 --> 00:47:21.080
  • And so I started thinking, "Well, how could I
  • 00:47:21.080 --> 00:47:22.200
  • "make it look like an accident?"
  • 00:47:22.200 --> 00:47:24.040
  • But I'd still go to that closet,
  • 00:47:24.040 --> 00:47:25.130
  • for a period of about two weeks with it,
  • 00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:27.030
  • and sit with those pictures, and just cried.
  • 00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:30.000
  • I was so frustrated.
  • 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.110
  • And then my wife unwittingly saved my life.
  • 00:47:31.110 --> 00:47:35.290
  • She knocked on my door, and she met me at the door,
  • 00:47:37.110 --> 00:47:38.220
  • and we had this argument,
  • 00:47:38.220 --> 00:47:40.180
  • really because I was just being a jerk.
  • 00:47:40.180 --> 00:47:42.020
  • And she asked me a question that radically changed my life.
  • 00:47:42.020 --> 00:47:44.220
  • You know, it's why we're sitting here today.
  • 00:47:44.220 --> 00:47:47.160
  • She asked me how I could do everything
  • 00:47:48.250 --> 00:47:50.010
  • I did in the Marine Corps,
  • 00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:51.100
  • she saw only become a recon Marine,
  • 00:47:51.100 --> 00:47:52.190
  • she saw me train for these deployments,
  • 00:47:52.190 --> 00:47:54.000
  • and then she saw the MMA,
  • 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.150
  • like when I'd prepare for MMA fights
  • 00:47:55.150 --> 00:47:57.080
  • I cut like 30 pounds of weight.
  • 00:47:57.080 --> 00:47:59.030
  • She's like, "How could you do all of that,
  • 00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:01.150
  • "and when it comes to your family, you'll quit?"
  • 00:48:01.150 --> 00:48:04.060
  • - [David] Wow.
  • 00:48:04.060 --> 00:48:05.210
  • - I mean, to me there's no more soul cutting word,
  • 00:48:05.210 --> 00:48:06.270
  • to be called a quitter.
  • 00:48:06.270 --> 00:48:07.220
  • And she was right.
  • 00:48:07.220 --> 00:48:08.270
  • You know, I had been successful
  • 00:48:08.270 --> 00:48:10.040
  • in professional things in my life,
  • 00:48:10.040 --> 00:48:11.110
  • but when it came to the most important things,
  • 00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:13.040
  • being a husband, being a father,
  • 00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:14.190
  • being a young 17-year-old kid that raised his hand
  • 00:48:14.190 --> 00:48:16.140
  • and had a second chance at life,
  • 00:48:16.140 --> 00:48:17.290
  • like to do something important with his life,
  • 00:48:17.290 --> 00:48:20.000
  • including my own health, I quit on all those things.
  • 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.010
  • In that moment, I made a decision
  • 00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:24.000
  • that I was gonna turn it around.
  • 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.180
  • I didn't know how, and so I asked my wife
  • 00:48:25.180 --> 00:48:27.200
  • if there was someone at this church she was going to
  • 00:48:27.200 --> 00:48:29.170
  • that could help me with this decision.
  • 00:48:29.170 --> 00:48:32.120
  • She introduced me to a man named Steve Toth,
  • 00:48:32.120 --> 00:48:33.270
  • who you know.
  • 00:48:33.270 --> 00:48:35.090
  • I had written a five paragraph operational order,
  • 00:48:35.090 --> 00:48:37.220
  • military style, that I was gonna fix my life.
  • 00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:39.180
  • I met this guy at Starbucks, and I slid it across from him,
  • 00:48:39.180 --> 00:48:41.290
  • and said, you know, I was so proud of myself,
  • 00:48:41.290 --> 00:48:44.050
  • like how I was gonna do everything right.
  • 00:48:44.050 --> 00:48:45.220
  • He didn't read it.
  • 00:48:45.220 --> 00:48:47.070
  • He put his hand on it and slid it back over to me
  • 00:48:47.070 --> 00:48:48.070
  • and he said, "You're gonna fail.
  • 00:48:48.070 --> 00:48:50.010
  • "You're gonna end up right back where you are right now."
  • 00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:52.050
  • and he tapped on that paper.
  • 00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:53.180
  • He said, "If this doesn't have
  • 00:48:53.180 --> 00:48:55.020
  • "anything to do with your relationship with God,
  • 00:48:55.020 --> 00:48:56.000
  • "I'm not gonna waste your time,
  • 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.070
  • "and I'm not gonna let you waste mine."
  • 00:48:57.070 --> 00:48:58.070
  • And so I trusted this man, Steve,
  • 00:48:58.070 --> 00:48:59.210
  • and I surrendered my life to Christ.
  • 00:48:59.210 --> 00:49:02.080
  • Beyond that decision, Steve mentored me for an entire year
  • 00:49:02.080 --> 00:49:04.210
  • in Biblical manhood.
  • 00:49:04.210 --> 00:49:05.180
  • It was huge.
  • 00:49:05.180 --> 00:49:06.240
  • And what I realized through the process was,
  • 00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:08.080
  • yes, some bad things happened to me,
  • 00:49:08.080 --> 00:49:09.210
  • in my childhood, and Afghanistan, through my life,
  • 00:49:09.210 --> 00:49:13.080
  • some bad things happened to me,
  • 00:49:13.080 --> 00:49:14.140
  • but those things that happened to me,
  • 00:49:14.140 --> 00:49:15.230
  • those things didn't lead me to
  • 00:49:15.230 --> 00:49:17.080
  • being in that closet with that pistol in my hand.
  • 00:49:17.080 --> 00:49:18.140
  • You know, as cliché as it may sound,
  • 00:49:18.140 --> 00:49:19.290
  • to me it was like a light bulb moment in my life,
  • 00:49:19.290 --> 00:49:22.240
  • to realize that my past didn't have to define my future,
  • 00:49:22.240 --> 00:49:24.280
  • that I could choose something different moving forward.
  • 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.000
  • And I did.
  • 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:28.050
  • That choice felt very clear,
  • 00:49:28.050 --> 00:49:30.020
  • and that I had to make moving forward.
  • 00:49:30.020 --> 00:49:31.160
  • And I also felt a burden from God to do,
  • 00:49:31.160 --> 00:49:34.040
  • was to take what Steve,
  • 00:49:34.040 --> 00:49:35.200
  • the challenge that Kathy gave me,
  • 00:49:35.200 --> 00:49:37.090
  • the second chance that God gave me,
  • 00:49:37.090 --> 00:49:38.200
  • and the mentorship and discipleship that Steve gave me,
  • 00:49:38.200 --> 00:49:42.000
  • and I had to pay it forward.
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.150
  • And so my wife and I, we decided, hey, we're gonna
  • 00:49:43.150 --> 00:49:45.210
  • believe everything that makes sense.
  • 00:49:45.210 --> 00:49:48.020
  • The gym was extremely successful,
  • 00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:49.190
  • my martial arts gym,
  • 00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:52.020
  • kinda the height of my MMA career,
  • 00:49:52.020 --> 00:49:53.160
  • I'm gonna walk away from that,
  • 00:49:53.160 --> 00:49:55.000
  • and we're gonna start helping other guys just like us,
  • 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.250
  • helping other families just like ours.
  • 00:49:57.250 --> 00:49:59.170
  • And then we started Mighty Oaks Foundation.
  • 00:49:59.170 --> 00:50:02.100
  • (suspenseful patriotic music)
  • 00:50:02.100 --> 00:50:06.040
  • (calming music)
  • 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.200
  • - So, what do you do in Mighty Oaks?
  • 00:50:16.270 --> 00:50:19.100
  • What goes on, what part of the program?
  • 00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:20.290
  • - Well, it's peer to peer, so it's not clinical.
  • 00:50:20.290 --> 00:50:24.020
  • And so we run 30 one-week camps a year.
  • 00:50:24.020 --> 00:50:26.210
  • And those one week, it doesn't stop at one week,
  • 00:50:26.210 --> 00:50:29.270
  • that's just the intensity that
  • 00:50:29.270 --> 00:50:30.250
  • we first get our hands on them,
  • 00:50:30.250 --> 00:50:32.120
  • and get them to the point to where they make a decision
  • 00:50:32.120 --> 00:50:34.170
  • to accept responsibility and move forward.
  • 00:50:34.170 --> 00:50:36.220
  • And despite what has happened to them,
  • 00:50:36.220 --> 00:50:39.140
  • just like I had to do.
  • 00:50:39.140 --> 00:50:40.220
  • And once they made the decision, we're able to
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  • take them through the same mentorship that Steve did for me,
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  • and help them come to the simple realization
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  • that they were created, they were created by design,
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  • and have a plan and purpose for their life.
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  • And if they could align their life to that model,
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  • that which we were created to live,
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  • the hardships of the past will be there,
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  • they'll still remember what happened,
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  • but they'll be able to make choices moving forward
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  • that'll lead them to a good place.
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  • Understand that being a man of God does not only,
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  • not mean you're weak,
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  • but it also means you're strong,
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  • and you're gonna be able to be strong
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  • in the face of any adversity you face in life.
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  • You know, God does have a promise for us.
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  • In Jeremiah 29:11, you know,
  • 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.210
  • plans to prosper us and not to harm us,
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  • plans to give us a hope and a future.
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  • That promise doesn't exempt us of the hardships of life,
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  • it just means when we face those hardships in life,
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  • we have to be able to under that plan,
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  • and understand that promise, and hold true to it,
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  • and endure through and trust that promise
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  • that he has for us.
  • 00:51:33.110 --> 00:51:35.060
  • And you know, to be able to tell that
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  • to these young kids on the front end,
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  • and see them grab a hold of it,
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  • it gives me a lot of peace to know
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  • that they won't have to figure it out
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  • when they're sitting in the closet
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  • with a pistol in their hand.
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  • - [David] Yeah.
  • 00:51:45.050 --> 00:51:46.120
  • - They can figure it out in the front end.
  • 00:51:46.120 --> 00:51:47.100
  • - We've seen groups like 22Kill,
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  • you know, trying to emphasize
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  • the number of veterans who are killed.
  • 00:51:49.200 --> 00:51:52.030
  • We've seen at Vietnam, like there were
  • 00:51:52.030 --> 00:51:53.270
  • 58.000 guys killed by the enemy,
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  • but since then there's been
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  • three times as many killed by their own hand.
  • 00:51:58.060 --> 00:52:00.210
  • - [Chad] Yeah.
  • 00:52:00.210 --> 00:52:01.200
  • - And so, and we're even seeing,
  • 00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:03.020
  • we saw recent reports where the suicide rate
  • 00:52:03.020 --> 00:52:07.060
  • inside active duty military
  • 00:52:07.060 --> 00:52:09.020
  • is now fourfold over what it had been.
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  • It's a genuine, real problem.
  • 00:52:11.140 --> 00:52:14.240
  • - The Marine Corps does such a great job
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  • at preparing these kids mentally,
  • 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.240
  • they're mentally tough, they're motivated,
  • 00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:19.060
  • physically, they're physically tough,
  • 00:52:19.060 --> 00:52:20.140
  • but what to spiritually even mean?
  • 00:52:20.140 --> 00:52:22.160
  • And so, I'm able to go in in the front end and say,
  • 00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:24.250
  • "Hey, this is what spiritual strength looks like."
  • 00:52:24.250 --> 00:52:26.230
  • And if you could be the man
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  • you're created to be in the beginning,
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  • if you can understand what spirituality means,
  • 00:52:30.230 --> 00:52:33.090
  • yeah, you may face some hard things in Iraq and Afghanistan,
  • 00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:35.150
  • you will see some things that you weren't
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  • ever created or intended to see,
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  • because that's what we have to do as Marines.
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  • But when you do, you're gonna be able to bounce back,
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  • because you understand what it means
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  • to be spiritually strong.
  • 00:52:43.130 --> 00:52:44.230
  • It's a pretty simple methodology, you live by design,
  • 00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:48.180
  • but essentially that's where we have found success.
  • 00:52:48.180 --> 00:52:50.170
  • And we've had 2044 graduates of this intensive program,
  • 00:52:50.170 --> 00:52:54.060
  • those were about half veterans and half active duty
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  • the military sends to us on official military orders.
  • 00:52:56.070 --> 00:52:58.260
  • And of those 2044 graduates, we've had zero suicides.
  • 00:52:58.260 --> 00:53:03.030
  • - You've had zero suicides, of all those thousands of vets.
  • 00:53:03.030 --> 00:53:08.030
  • And you were telling me a few months ago
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  • about one of the military bases for combat deployed guys
  • 00:53:11.160 --> 00:53:16.100
  • who come back home, and the divorce rate is over 90 percent.
  • 00:53:16.100 --> 00:53:19.050
  • And divorce rate through your program is under one percent.
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  • I mean the national average for not combat,
  • 00:53:23.020 --> 00:53:25.040
  • just national average,
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  • you're looking at 30 to 40 percent,
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  • and you're under one percent.
  • 00:53:28.070 --> 00:53:29.130
  • So, now you got these programs going on
  • 00:53:29.130 --> 00:53:31.230
  • that transform marriages, that save lives physically,
  • 00:53:31.230 --> 00:53:34.280
  • save families.
  • 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.050
  • So you know, we got lots of vets,
  • 00:53:36.050 --> 00:53:38.170
  • 43 million served in the history of the United States,
  • 00:53:38.170 --> 00:53:40.270
  • put on the uniform at some point,
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  • a lot listening to us.
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  • What you tell vets?
  • 00:53:45.030 --> 00:53:46.100
  • I mean, this is Veterans Day, message to vets?
  • 00:53:46.100 --> 00:53:48.230
  • - Well I mean, you know, as veterans,
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  • I know it's not Memorial day, but when we look at
  • 00:53:50.200 --> 00:53:52.270
  • what those who went before us,
  • 00:53:52.270 --> 00:53:54.040
  • and those who stood side-by-side with us,
  • 00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:56.150
  • the price they paid.
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  • You know, for those of us who are still here,
  • 00:53:57.250 --> 00:53:59.180
  • the veterans on Veterans Day that are still here,
  • 00:53:59.180 --> 00:54:02.030
  • you know, we should be able to be living out
  • 00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:05.110
  • what our brothers died for,
  • 00:54:05.110 --> 00:54:06.260
  • with the freedom that we fought for,
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  • to actually honor that and embrace that
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  • from living it out.
  • 00:54:11.110 --> 00:54:12.180
  • And living it out to me, as a veteran,
  • 00:54:12.180 --> 00:54:14.200
  • means either on living my life to the fullest,
  • 00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:17.150
  • and producing, in my home, supporting my home,
  • 00:54:17.150 --> 00:54:21.130
  • and my community, and my culture, and this nation,
  • 00:54:21.130 --> 00:54:23.190
  • and the world producing, for me as a Christian,
  • 00:54:23.190 --> 00:54:26.100
  • through the kingdom,
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  • that's what Veterans Day means to me,
  • 00:54:27.160 --> 00:54:29.200
  • taking the freedoms that we do have,
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  • being in the small percentage of the world
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  • that has religious freedom,
  • 00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:34.090
  • and being able to produce and honor those
  • 00:54:34.090 --> 00:54:36.090
  • who paid the price for me to be able to do that.
  • 00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:40.020
  • And then with that comes the ability to serve
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  • and encourage other veterans to do the same.
  • 00:54:42.020 --> 00:54:44.100
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:54:44.100 --> 00:54:45.160
  • And you know, I just highly encourage any vet
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  • that they'll go through the program.
  • 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.100
  • It's transformational, even if you're squared away,
  • 00:54:50.100 --> 00:54:52.090
  • or think you're squared away.
  • 00:54:52.090 --> 00:54:53.230
  • - It can feel pretty hopeless to hear about the problem,
  • 00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:55.040
  • but I think people need to understand
  • 00:54:55.040 --> 00:54:56.180
  • there's also a solution,
  • 00:54:56.180 --> 00:54:57.200
  • and that's one of the things
  • 00:54:57.200 --> 00:54:59.130
  • we focus on at Mighty Oaks,
  • 00:54:59.130 --> 00:55:00.220
  • is not just talking about the problem,
  • 00:55:00.220 --> 00:55:02.000
  • not just talking about the suicides,
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  • not just talking about divorces,
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  • but talking about the solution.
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  • And we truly believe, and believe we have evidence to show
  • 00:55:05.210 --> 00:55:09.150
  • that the solution is Christ,
  • 00:55:09.150 --> 00:55:11.010
  • and introducing these guys
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  • to the lives they were created to live.
  • 00:55:12.290 --> 00:55:14.140
  • - Anybody who wants to help you or be part of the program,
  • 00:55:14.140 --> 00:55:16.100
  • where they go, what are they do?
  • 00:55:16.100 --> 00:55:17.250
  • - Well you go to MightyOaksPrograms.org,
  • 00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:19.220
  • that's the website.
  • 00:55:19.220 --> 00:55:21.080
  • You could apply, we make the application very simple.
  • 00:55:21.080 --> 00:55:23.140
  • Someone gets back to you right away,
  • 00:55:23.140 --> 00:55:24.270
  • a person actually gets back to you right away.
  • 00:55:24.270 --> 00:55:26.210
  • And we have 30 one-week programs per year.
  • 00:55:26.210 --> 00:55:29.240
  • And by the way, I know you know this,
  • 00:55:29.240 --> 00:55:31.250
  • all the programs are absolutely free,
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  • including airfare.
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  • We take all the obstacles out,
  • 00:55:35.050 --> 00:55:37.090
  • so any veteran around the country,
  • 00:55:37.090 --> 00:55:39.130
  • or even we've brung people from out of the country,
  • 00:55:39.130 --> 00:55:41.290
  • that are veterans living somewhere else,
  • 00:55:41.290 --> 00:55:43.110
  • if they wanna come to the program,
  • 00:55:43.110 --> 00:55:44.110
  • we cover all the costs.
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  • And we're able to do that
  • 00:55:46.110 --> 00:55:47.180
  • from the support of a grateful nation,
  • 00:55:47.180 --> 00:55:48.190
  • who believes in what we do,
  • 00:55:48.190 --> 00:55:49.260
  • and has locked arms with us, and donates to us.
  • 00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:53.030
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:55:53.030 --> 00:55:53.280
  • Thanks, bro.
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  • Thanks for what you've done,
  • 00:55:54.260 --> 00:55:56.040
  • thanks for getting your feet square,
  • 00:55:56.040 --> 00:55:57.190
  • getting your family straight, and helping so many others.
  • 00:55:57.190 --> 00:55:59.200
  • - Absolutely, God bless.
  • 00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:00.250
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  • - As we've just heard, and many of us know firsthand,
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  • our military veterans have paid
  • 00:56:12.060 --> 00:56:13.110
  • a high price for our freedom.
  • 00:56:13.110 --> 00:56:14.250
  • In fact, many of them still carry the physical,
  • 00:56:14.250 --> 00:56:16.060
  • the mental, the emotional scars
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  • that they've suffered for us to be free.
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  • Because of that, if you wanna help a veteran,
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  • if you wanna get involved and make a difference,
  • 00:56:22.120 --> 00:56:23.250
  • find a veterans organization around you.
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  • There's so many organizations that do so much to help.
  • 00:56:25.230 --> 00:56:27.250
  • In fact, Chad's organization, Mighty Oaks Warriors,
  • 00:56:27.250 --> 00:56:30.110
  • unprecedented in their success rates,
  • 00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:32.170
  • maybe you can volunteer with them,
  • 00:56:32.170 --> 00:56:33.260
  • or donate some finances to help our veterans.
  • 00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:36.010
  • It's because of veterans that you and I get to be free.
  • 00:56:36.010 --> 00:56:39.070
  • - Today we've uncovered some incredible stories
  • 00:56:42.140 --> 00:56:44.180
  • of modern-day patriots, and how they,
  • 00:56:44.180 --> 00:56:46.040
  • just like many of our historic patriots,
  • 00:56:46.040 --> 00:56:48.170
  • seek God in times of war,
  • 00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:50.100
  • and for healing from the scars of deadly conflict.
  • 00:56:50.100 --> 00:56:52.230
  • But what's unique about many Christian veterans
  • 00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:55.080
  • is that many times, not only do they wear
  • 00:56:55.080 --> 00:56:57.050
  • the badge of honor on the outside,
  • 00:56:57.050 --> 00:56:58.230
  • but it's also coupled with a heart
  • 00:56:58.230 --> 00:57:00.100
  • that honors God as well.
  • 00:57:00.100 --> 00:57:01.240
  • It's a powerful combination.
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  • What we've seen and heard about today's godly heroes
  • 00:57:03.150 --> 00:57:06.010
  • only scratches the surface.
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  • For more information about any of today's topics,
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  • go to our website, WallBuilders.com,
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  • or download the Wall Builders app.
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  • You can also follow us on Facebook,
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  • or go to our YouTube channel,
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  • and be sure to stay tuned to TBN
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  • for more exciting chapters
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  • in America's Hidden History.
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