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Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah

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October 20, 2020
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In this message Dr. Jeremiah shares the importance of fulfilling the purpose God has for you.

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Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah

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  • a haphazard approach to life.
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  • You might feel stuck,but you don't have to be.
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  • Perhaps you're discouraged.
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  • It's time to deal with that.
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  • And if you feel uncertain,you can find clarity.
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  • You may not knowwhat's next but God does.
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  • He's there waiting for youin your tomorrow,
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  • so step into it anddiscover God's presence
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  • and purpose in your life.
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  • Starting today, starting now,it's time to move forward.
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  • male announcer: It's timewe rise above our circumstances,
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  • conquer our fears,face the future with faith,
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  • prevail over the past, aspireto accomplish greater things,
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  • reclaim our birthright,proclaim his power,
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  • and claim God's promises.
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  • God has more for us.
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  • It's not time to stop.
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  • It's time to move forward.
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  • Thank you for being with ustoday for Dr. Jeremiah's
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  • new series, "Forward."
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  • Now, here's Dr. Jeremiah'spowerful "How to Move Forward"
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  • interview with Sheila Walsh.
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  • Sheila Walsh: Dr. Jeremiah,it's just lovely
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  • to be with you again.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,thank you for coming.
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  • We've sort of been meetingall over the place,
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  • different parts of the country,and it's always
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  • because we're gonna talkabout something important.
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  • Sheila: But this is different.
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  • I cannot thinkof a more timely message.
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  • Tell us about your new project,"Forward."
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: You know,"Forward" is not a place
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  • where you are,it's a direction you go.
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  • And everybody needsto move forward.
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  • And Christians, especially,the past is something you know
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  • for sure that's happened.
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  • Maybe you feel like, you know,"I wish I could go back there."
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  • You always hear people talkingabout the good old days
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  • which I haven't been ableto figure out when they were.
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  • And obviously, sometimein the future they'll talk
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  • about our days as those days.
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  • Sheila: I'm not sureabout 2020.
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  • They might skip over that one.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah, 2020,we might take that
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  • off the calendar.
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  • Yeah, that's a good idea.
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  • Sheila: Let's dive in, though.
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  • First step in moving forwardis "Dream."
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  • And you write,"Seize your tomorrow today."
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  • What do you mean by that?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,the way we're constructed,
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  • the way we're built,before we can go someplace,
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  • we have to see it in our mind.
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  • We have to be able to negotiateour destination before we start
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  • the journey and,while we don't realize that
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  • that's happening,we've done it all of our lives.
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  • As you get older and you beginto realize your life
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  • needs direction, you need to askGod what it is he wants you
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  • to do and that becomesyour focus and your dream.
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  • Sheila: Some people would say,
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  • "Well, isn't dreamingjust for the younger people,
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  • you know, for people who havetheir whole life ahead of them?"
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  • But you write, "Don't dismissthat so quickly."
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you stop dreaming,
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  • you start dying.
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  • If you don't have any reasonto get up,
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  • if you don't have anythingyou believe you need to do,
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  • if you don't feel any callingfrom God for what's next,
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  • something happensand it's not pretty.
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  • Sheila: The next stepyou talk about is one
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  • that is so central to our faith:"Pray."
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  • But I love the factthat you chose the life
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  • of the prophet Nehemiahto illustrate
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  • what forward praying looks like.
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  • Why did you choose him?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, becauseNehemiah's prayer was associated
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  • with his dream, and I thoughtthat was a great way to tie
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  • those two thoughts together.
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  • The Bible says that whenthe Jews went back to Israel
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  • and started to build the wallagain that they got discouraged
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  • and they quit.
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  • Nehemiah was in Shushan,the palace,
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  • working for the governor,for the head
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  • of the whole empire,and he wanted to go back
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  • and help rebuild the walland this is what he said.
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  • He said, "God put itin my heart."
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  • That's where the dream began.
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  • And he began to pray and thereason it was put in his heart
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  • because he began to prayfor his friends back home,
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  • that they weren't buildinganything.
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  • He was brokenhearted,he was in tears.
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  • And during that prayer,God put it in his heart.
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  • How many times has it beenwhen you've prayed and God said,
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  • "Okay, you answeryour own prayer"?
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  • Sheila: That's so true.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: That's whathappened to Nehemiah.
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  • Sheila: But it's interestingtoo because Nehemiah
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  • had to take a risk going into see the king with a sad face.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,he went in to see the king
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  • and the king says,"Why are you sad?"
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  • And it's really interestingif you study the culture.
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  • That was a capital offense.
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  • If you were ever sadin front of the king,
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  • it was over for you.
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  • When the king asked him that,he said,
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  • "Well, why wouldn't I be sad?
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  • My friends are back in Jerusalemand the walls are in disrepair."
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  • Sheila: Yeah, but you powerfullyillustrate in that chapter
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  • the way that Nehemiahshot up that quick prayer
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  • because sometimes you havetime to pray for a long time but
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  • you're in front of a king, doingsomething that could cost you
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  • your life, you don't have timefor a long prayer.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,that's really--
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  • that's such a great thought,Sheila, because he's standing
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  • in front of this man, this king,who's the awesome one.
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  • And the Bible says he is asked"What do you want me to do?"
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  • And then the Scripture says:"So I prayed to God
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  • and I said to the king."
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  • That's how that works, isn't it?
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  • You get caught in a moment.
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  • You don't have a long time fora lot of introductory phrases.
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  • You just pray to God.
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  • That's calledinstantaneous prayer.
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  • I often thought that we knowwhat it's like to say,
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  • "God, help.
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  • Help me.I don't know what to do."
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  • Sheila: I thoughtit was interesting,
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  • "Choosing Your Priorities."
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  • I think, and maybe particularlyat the moment,
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  • people feel pulled in a millionand one directions.
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  • How do you learnhow to prioritize
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  • and get rid of distractions?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: What I've learnedis if you wanna say, "Yes",
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  • to something more,you have to be willing to say
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  • "No" to somethingyou're already doing.
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  • That's been a really hard lessonfor me because
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  • I'm a "Yes" person when peopleask me to do something.
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  • But in order for you to realizeyour dream and get to where
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  • you believe God wants you to go,you can't be doing everything.
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  • Sheila: Yeah, it took mea while to learn that "No"
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  • is a complete sentence.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yes, it is.It is indeed.
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  • Sheila:Getting back to basics,
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  • when it comesto choosing priorities,
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  • what does Jesus sayabout how we go about that?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,one time he was asked,
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  • what was the mostimportant thing and he said,
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  • "The most important thing isto love God with all your heart
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  • and secondly, love others.
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  • And then thirdly,"which surprises most people,
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  • "love yourself."
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  • That often is misunderstoodand misapplied
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  • but it doesn't meanit has to go away.
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  • Love your neighbors as yourself.
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  • And until you begin to realizehow important it is to take care
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  • of yourself, you don't haveanything to give
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  • to anybody else.
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  • Sheila: How do you personally,Dr. Jeremiah,
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  • organize your priorities?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Oh, you know,I sometimes think my priorities
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  • organize me, you know?
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  • That's what it feels like a lot.
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  • I have one basic prioritythat kind of drives everything
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  • and that is I'm committedto the task of teaching
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  • the Word of God.
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  • That's what he's called meto do.
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  • And it's really hard for meto add things to my life
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  • that don't have somethingto do with that.
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  • I do, but I don't do it veryoften and I don't usually do it
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  • very productivelybecause what I do is so tied
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  • to what I believe isimportant for me,
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  • I don't thinkthat's the only priority
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  • and it's not the priority foreverybody but it's my priority.
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  • Sheila: You talkabout the importance
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  • in the next step of "Focus."
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  • I think a lot of people feellike they get stuck in the past
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  • and I was wondering howdo you find that right balance
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  • between balancing the past,the present, and the future?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,that chapter's kind of built
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  • around maybe the theme verse forthe whole book where Paul says,
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  • "Forgetting those thingswhich are behind, I press toward
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  • the mark for the high callingof God in Christ Jesus."
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  • And what Paul wasn't saying is,"Do away with my past,"
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  • but what he was saying is,"I'm not gonna let the past
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  • control my presentor my future."
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  • And when you stopand think about it,
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  • Paul had some awful thingsto forget, you know?
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  • He was the great persecutorof the church.
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  • He killed some peoplebecause of their faith.
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  • I know he imprisoneda lot of them.
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  • I know a lot of people that havebad things in their past
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  • and they can't get beyond it.
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  • But Paul also hadsome good things.
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  • He was the Pharisee of Pharisee.
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  • He had--his pedigree,which is in the Bible twice,
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  • is like none you'd ever readin your life.
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  • He was so well qualified andhe had so much going for him
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  • and Paul said,
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  • "Neither my failures normy successes control my life."
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  • I don't let those thingscontrol me.
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  • I have a goal for the future andthat's what drives me forward.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • announcer:Maybe you're asking,
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  • "How do I move forward in life?"
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  • In his new book,"Forward: Discovering
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  • God's Presence and Purposein Your Tomorrow,"
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  • Dr. Jeremiah answerswith a biblical strategy
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  • to help you find and stayin the center
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  • of God's constant unfolding planfor you,
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  • no matter what circumstancesor challenges
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  • have slowed your momentum.
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  • "Forward" is yours when you givea gift of any amount
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  • keep the lessons of "Forward"front and center each day.
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  • God has more for you.
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  • It's not time to stop.
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  • It's time to move forward.
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  • Sheila: Welcome back.I'm Sheila Walsh.
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  • I'm here with Dr. David Jeremiahto discuss his new series,
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  • "Forward: DiscoveringGod's Presence and Purpose
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  • for Your Life."
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  • What did you meanwhen you wrote,
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  • "Make the one thingthe main thing"?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: It's not easyto come up with one thing
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  • but when you realize what it isthat God wants you to do,
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  • when you figure that out,then you spend
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  • the rest of your life tryingto make sure
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  • that it keeps its placeas your priority.
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  • And it is attackedevery single day.
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  • Sheila: Yeah,I love the next step,
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  • "Risk: Getting Outof the Safe Zone."
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  • We don't always think about,as believers,
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  • of taking a risk.
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  • We think of that maybe as,you know, dangerous,
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  • careless behavior.
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  • But in your experienceas a pastor,
  • 00:10:19.190 --> 00:10:20.825
  • why is that so important to beable to move out
  • 00:10:20.859 --> 00:10:24.596
  • of a safe placeto a place of risk?
  • 00:10:24.629 --> 00:10:26.164
  • Dr. Jeremiah:Well, I suppose, to be honest,
  • 00:10:26.197 --> 00:10:27.532
  • Sheila, risk is just anothermore secular term for faith.
  • 00:10:27.565 --> 00:10:32.003
  • Living in the unknown,beyond where you can see.
  • 00:10:32.037 --> 00:10:35.507
  • And if you're not willingto risk as a believer,
  • 00:10:35.540 --> 00:10:38.510
  • if you're not willingto walk by faith,
  • 00:10:38.543 --> 00:10:40.712
  • you can't go forward.
  • 00:10:40.745 --> 00:10:42.380
  • You're always gonna be waitingfor the next place
  • 00:10:42.414 --> 00:10:44.349
  • where you feel secureand you will never go beyond
  • 00:10:44.382 --> 00:10:46.751
  • your security blanket and that'swhere a lot of Christians are.
  • 00:10:46.785 --> 00:10:50.622
  • And the Bibledoesn't allow us that.
  • 00:10:50.655 --> 00:10:52.590
  • The Bible's so filled withstories about people who risked
  • 00:10:52.624 --> 00:10:55.360
  • in their walk with Godand that's where the joy is.
  • 00:10:55.393 --> 00:10:59.264
  • That's where the advance is.
  • 00:10:59.297 --> 00:11:00.765
  • Sheila: And you highlightthat powerfully
  • 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:02.167
  • through the life of Caleb.
  • 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:03.501
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yes.
  • 00:11:03.535 --> 00:11:04.836
  • Sheila: Tell us about that.
  • 00:11:04.869 --> 00:11:06.171
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,Caleb was among a bunch of guys
  • 00:11:06.204 --> 00:11:07.505
  • who went into Canaansupposedly to spy it out,
  • 00:11:07.539 --> 00:11:11.609
  • really just to confirm what Godhad already told them was there.
  • 00:11:11.643 --> 00:11:15.246
  • And when they got into Canaan,ten of the guys saw the people
  • 00:11:15.280 --> 00:11:20.285
  • that were there, the giants,and they came back
  • 00:11:20.318 --> 00:11:23.455
  • and they said,"We can't go in there.
  • 00:11:23.488 --> 00:11:25.757
  • We're like grasshoppers.These are huge men.
  • 00:11:25.790 --> 00:11:28.193
  • We'll get destroyed."
  • 00:11:28.226 --> 00:11:30.261
  • Caleb and Joshua came back.
  • 00:11:30.295 --> 00:11:32.163
  • They had a muchdifferent report.
  • 00:11:32.197 --> 00:11:34.132
  • They were in the minority.
  • 00:11:34.165 --> 00:11:36.067
  • They risked everything to say,"That isn't true.
  • 00:11:36.101 --> 00:11:38.069
  • We are able to do this."
  • 00:11:38.103 --> 00:11:40.772
  • I've always thought this.
  • 00:11:40.805 --> 00:11:42.407
  • The ten guys who said,"We can't do it,"
  • 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.210
  • made the mistake of measuringthemselves against the giants.
  • 00:11:45.243 --> 00:11:49.314
  • Caleb and Joshua measuredthemselves against God
  • 00:11:49.347 --> 00:11:52.317
  • and they realized that whilethey were not able to do it,
  • 00:11:52.350 --> 00:11:55.286
  • they had a big God who couldhelp them take the risk
  • 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.823
  • and you know the restof the story.
  • 00:11:58.857 --> 00:12:01.826
  • The people who didn't believe,the spies,
  • 00:12:01.860 --> 00:12:04.162
  • they were immediately destroyed,and all the people who believed
  • 00:12:04.195 --> 00:12:07.165
  • the spies had 40 yearsuntil they all died
  • 00:12:07.198 --> 00:12:12.604
  • before they were allowed to gointo the Promised Land.
  • 00:12:12.637 --> 00:12:14.773
  • And when it wasall said and done,
  • 00:12:14.806 --> 00:12:16.674
  • only the two guys that risked,Caleb and Joshua,
  • 00:12:16.708 --> 00:12:19.677
  • had the privilege of going in.
  • 00:12:19.711 --> 00:12:22.013
  • Sheila: Amazing.
  • 00:12:22.046 --> 00:12:23.348
  • What are the benefits,spiritually,
  • 00:12:23.381 --> 00:12:25.517
  • of living in the faith zone?
  • 00:12:25.550 --> 00:12:27.118
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,I'll tell you one thing.
  • 00:12:27.152 --> 00:12:28.620
  • It sure is exciting.
  • 00:12:28.653 --> 00:12:30.121
  • It's very adventuresome.
  • 00:12:30.155 --> 00:12:31.890
  • Every day you have to just say,"Lord, whatever comes today,
  • 00:12:31.923 --> 00:12:34.092
  • help me figure it outand do what you want me to do
  • 00:12:34.125 --> 00:12:37.362
  • and live by faith every dayand trust you."
  • 00:12:37.395 --> 00:12:40.331
  • That's just kindof the daily thing, but then,
  • 00:12:40.365 --> 00:12:42.767
  • there's the big things toothat come along.
  • 00:12:42.801 --> 00:12:44.803
  • I remember whenwe were trying to buy
  • 00:12:44.836 --> 00:12:47.438
  • the first radio station timeand how scary that was to us.
  • 00:12:47.472 --> 00:12:51.276
  • We didn't havethe money to do it.
  • 00:12:51.309 --> 00:12:52.911
  • We felt God was calling usto do it.
  • 00:12:52.944 --> 00:12:54.946
  • And I remember saying, "Yes,"when I had no idea
  • 00:12:54.979 --> 00:12:58.817
  • how it was gonna happen.
  • 00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:00.151
  • Sheila: That's faith.
  • 00:13:00.185 --> 00:13:01.486
  • Dr. Jeremiah:There's a fine line,
  • 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:02.821
  • as you know, between faithand foolishness and
  • 00:13:02.854 --> 00:13:04.155
  • you gotta be careful that youdon't just get crazy and say,
  • 00:13:04.189 --> 00:13:06.291
  • "I'm just gonna do thisand God'll bless it."
  • 00:13:06.324 --> 00:13:09.394
  • But God is honoredwhen we take a step of faith
  • 00:13:09.427 --> 00:13:11.930
  • and trust him to fulfillhis promise.
  • 00:13:11.963 --> 00:13:16.901
  • Sheila: You talk on the nextstep about "chasing your dream,"
  • 00:13:16.935 --> 00:13:21.206
  • and I think many of usare guilty of not doing that.
  • 00:13:21.239 --> 00:13:23.474
  • We almost kind of quitand give up.
  • 00:13:23.508 --> 00:13:25.944
  • And one of the questionsI get asked often is,
  • 00:13:25.977 --> 00:13:29.414
  • "Is it possible to know God'swill and plan for your life?"
  • 00:13:29.447 --> 00:13:34.018
  • Dr. Jeremiah: I actually dobelieve that it is.
  • 00:13:34.052 --> 00:13:36.087
  • I believe you can knowwhat God wants you to do
  • 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.156
  • and I think there's a passivitythat fills the hearts
  • 00:13:38.189 --> 00:13:41.292
  • of a lot of peoplebecause they think,
  • 00:13:41.326 --> 00:13:43.094
  • "Well, if this is whatGod wants me to do,
  • 00:13:43.127 --> 00:13:45.330
  • he's gonna do it andI'll just be a participant."
  • 00:13:45.363 --> 00:13:48.900
  • I actually hear peopleteach that.
  • 00:13:48.933 --> 00:13:50.902
  • God has promised to do his partbut that doesn't mean
  • 00:13:50.935 --> 00:13:53.938
  • we don't have a partto play too.
  • 00:13:53.972 --> 00:13:55.840
  • Maybe that's at the heartof where some people
  • 00:13:55.874 --> 00:13:58.076
  • get lost because they thinkambition is not something
  • 00:13:58.109 --> 00:14:01.613
  • that has a Christian value.
  • 00:14:01.646 --> 00:14:03.581
  • You know, selfish ambitionis wrong but godly ambition
  • 00:14:03.615 --> 00:14:07.118
  • is right.
  • 00:14:07.151 --> 00:14:08.820
  • God expects us to be ambitiousfor the things he calls us to do
  • 00:14:08.853 --> 00:14:12.156
  • and not just sit around andwait for something to happen,
  • 00:14:12.190 --> 00:14:15.226
  • which is what a lotof people do.
  • 00:14:15.260 --> 00:14:16.995
  • God wants us to strive forwardand move toward the goal
  • 00:14:17.028 --> 00:14:20.164
  • he's set before us.
  • 00:14:20.198 --> 00:14:21.699
  • Sheila: What do you thinkit would be like
  • 00:14:21.733 --> 00:14:23.034
  • if every believer in our nationactually dared to dream
  • 00:14:23.067 --> 00:14:25.870
  • and ask God what is your purposeand then embraced it?
  • 00:14:25.904 --> 00:14:30.275
  • Dr. Jeremiah: It'd be a muchdifferent world
  • 00:14:30.308 --> 00:14:31.910
  • than we have right now.
  • 00:14:31.943 --> 00:14:33.244
  • I don't know what the percentageof people are who do that.
  • 00:14:33.278 --> 00:14:36.147
  • It probably isn't as high aswe might even imagine but,
  • 00:14:36.180 --> 00:14:40.251
  • you know, when you're aroundsomebody like that,
  • 00:14:40.285 --> 00:14:42.954
  • it's infectious.
  • 00:14:42.987 --> 00:14:44.956
  • You can sense, you know,this man, this woman,
  • 00:14:44.989 --> 00:14:48.259
  • God has a plan for them andthey're invested in that plan.
  • 00:14:48.293 --> 00:14:51.396
  • Sheila: Yeah, you talkabout the next step,
  • 00:14:51.429 --> 00:14:53.631
  • "Believe: GettingYour Mind Right."
  • 00:14:53.665 --> 00:14:55.500
  • What's the difference between--I mean,
  • 00:14:55.533 --> 00:14:57.535
  • if you go to typical bookstores,there's whole sections
  • 00:14:57.568 --> 00:15:00.305
  • on self-help and psychology.
  • 00:15:00.338 --> 00:15:02.407
  • But there's a differencebetween believing, trusting God,
  • 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:06.311
  • and just positive thinking.
  • 00:15:06.344 --> 00:15:08.846
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Paul said,"I can do all things
  • 00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:10.982
  • through Christwho strengthens me."
  • 00:15:11.015 --> 00:15:13.251
  • That's not neutral motivation.
  • 00:15:13.284 --> 00:15:16.287
  • That's spiritual motivation.
  • 00:15:16.321 --> 00:15:18.389
  • One time, Paul listsall the things that come
  • 00:15:18.423 --> 00:15:20.692
  • against him in life and he said,
  • 00:15:20.725 --> 00:15:23.061
  • "But I am a super-conquerorover all these things."
  • 00:15:23.094 --> 00:15:27.932
  • I love that because the Greekword has the word "nike" in it
  • 00:15:27.966 --> 00:15:31.336
  • and the word "nike"means victory.
  • 00:15:31.369 --> 00:15:34.305
  • And Paul said, "All those thingsare against me
  • 00:15:34.339 --> 00:15:36.407
  • but I still have victoryover them."
  • 00:15:36.441 --> 00:15:38.476
  • Super-victory.
  • 00:15:38.509 --> 00:15:40.178
  • Paul was a positive personand we need more
  • 00:15:40.211 --> 00:15:44.716
  • and more people to stand up andbe positive about their faith.
  • 00:15:44.749 --> 00:15:49.520
  • Yes, we need to deal with sinwhen it comes
  • 00:15:49.554 --> 00:15:51.823
  • and we should never ignore itbut life, if you're a Christian,
  • 00:15:51.856 --> 00:15:56.794
  • can be a positive walk with God.
  • 00:15:56.828 --> 00:15:58.863
  • Sheila: But why do you thinkit is that so many believers,
  • 00:15:58.896 --> 00:16:01.833
  • so many in the church,are way more like Eeyore
  • 00:16:01.866 --> 00:16:04.302
  • than they are like Tigger?
  • 00:16:04.335 --> 00:16:05.903
  • Why is it that negative thinkingis--I mean,
  • 00:16:05.937 --> 00:16:08.206
  • if you think aboutwhat we believe,
  • 00:16:08.239 --> 00:16:10.074
  • we should be the mostpositive people on the planet.
  • 00:16:10.108 --> 00:16:12.510
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,if we really believe
  • 00:16:12.543 --> 00:16:14.712
  • what we believebecause it's from God,
  • 00:16:14.746 --> 00:16:16.547
  • we trust God to help us,and we can be positive.
  • 00:16:16.581 --> 00:16:19.050
  • But so often what happensand this is called legalism,
  • 00:16:19.083 --> 00:16:22.854
  • we become Christiansand we think it's up to us
  • 00:16:22.887 --> 00:16:25.189
  • to keep the standard up.
  • 00:16:25.223 --> 00:16:26.657
  • So, the way you do that is,you keep denying everything
  • 00:16:26.691 --> 00:16:29.060
  • that gets in your way and youjust become a negative person.
  • 00:16:29.093 --> 00:16:32.096
  • Sheila: Wow, how has the Biblehelped you to remain positive
  • 00:16:32.530 --> 00:16:37.335
  • 'cause I know that you have gonethrough tough things
  • 00:16:37.368 --> 00:16:39.837
  • in your life over and over.
  • 00:16:39.871 --> 00:16:41.973
  • How has God's Word helped youto remain positive?
  • 00:16:42.006 --> 00:16:45.443
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you read the Bible,
  • 00:16:45.476 --> 00:16:47.145
  • you just keep runninginto these people who,
  • 00:16:47.178 --> 00:16:49.914
  • like, for instance, Joseph.
  • 00:16:49.947 --> 00:16:52.083
  • His brothers wanted to destroyhim and his take on it was,
  • 00:16:52.116 --> 00:16:57.388
  • "You meant it for evil,but God meant it for good."
  • 00:16:57.422 --> 00:17:00.591
  • And there are so many storieslike Daniel's that way.
  • 00:17:00.625 --> 00:17:03.227
  • If you read the Bible, you justrun into these people over
  • 00:17:03.261 --> 00:17:06.030
  • and over again and you think,"I have no right to complain."
  • 00:17:06.064 --> 00:17:09.734
  • The things men and womenwent through in the Scripture
  • 00:17:09.767 --> 00:17:12.537
  • make our battles todayseem rather petty
  • 00:17:12.570 --> 00:17:16.774
  • and there really isn'tany reason for us to be negative
  • 00:17:16.808 --> 00:17:19.977
  • if we know the Godwe claim to know.
  • 00:17:20.011 --> 00:17:23.481
  • Sheila: That's so true.That is a great perspective.
  • 00:17:23.514 --> 00:17:25.483
  • I love this next step:"Invest: Outlive Your Life."
  • 00:17:25.516 --> 00:17:30.822
  • What do you mean by that?
  • 00:17:30.855 --> 00:17:32.490
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, Sheila,you can live your life
  • 00:17:32.523 --> 00:17:33.858
  • in such a way that afteryou're gone it keeps on going,
  • 00:17:33.891 --> 00:17:36.961
  • you know?
  • 00:17:36.994 --> 00:17:38.296
  • Living your life in such a way
  • 00:17:38.329 --> 00:17:39.630
  • that you investin the Word of God,
  • 00:17:39.664 --> 00:17:42.133
  • in the work of God,and in the wealth of God
  • 00:17:42.166 --> 00:17:44.469
  • in such a way thatit lives beyond you.
  • 00:17:44.502 --> 00:17:48.806
  • Sheila: For someone who'swatching who's not a pastor,
  • 00:17:48.840 --> 00:17:51.275
  • maybe not in what they wouldconsider full-time ministry,
  • 00:17:51.309 --> 00:17:53.611
  • how do you live investingin eternal things?
  • 00:17:53.644 --> 00:17:56.948
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,those three things
  • 00:17:56.981 --> 00:17:58.382
  • I think are the key things.
  • 00:17:58.416 --> 00:18:00.451
  • You study the Word of Godand you share it.
  • 00:18:00.485 --> 00:18:01.986
  • Did you know, Sheila,there's only two things
  • 00:18:02.019 --> 00:18:03.955
  • that are eternal:the Word of God
  • 00:18:03.988 --> 00:18:06.457
  • and the souls of men and women.
  • 00:18:06.491 --> 00:18:08.826
  • So when you investin the Word of God
  • 00:18:08.860 --> 00:18:11.295
  • and you invest in the soulsof men and women,
  • 00:18:11.329 --> 00:18:13.331
  • you're investing in thingsthat are eternal
  • 00:18:13.364 --> 00:18:15.433
  • that are gonna go before youinto heaven.
  • 00:18:15.466 --> 00:18:17.668
  • They'll be there.
  • 00:18:17.702 --> 00:18:19.403
  • The Bible is forever.
  • 00:18:19.437 --> 00:18:21.339
  • Men and womenhave forever souls.
  • 00:18:21.372 --> 00:18:23.407
  • When you invest in someone,for instance,
  • 00:18:23.441 --> 00:18:25.877
  • and you share the gospelwith them and they become
  • 00:18:25.910 --> 00:18:28.012
  • a Christian, you have investedin their eternity and one day
  • 00:18:28.045 --> 00:18:32.150
  • you're gonna be in heaven.
  • 00:18:32.183 --> 00:18:33.618
  • You know, there's a song thatwas written years ago called,
  • 00:18:33.651 --> 00:18:35.520
  • "Thank you," and it's all aboutpeople in heaven coming up
  • 00:18:35.553 --> 00:18:38.689
  • to you and saying, "Thank youfor telling me about Jesus
  • 00:18:38.723 --> 00:18:41.993
  • so I could be in heaven."
  • 00:18:42.026 --> 00:18:43.461
  • Sheila: "I'm a lifethat was saved."
  • 00:18:43.494 --> 00:18:44.795
  • Dr. Jeremiah: That's right.
  • 00:18:44.829 --> 00:18:46.130
  • Sheila: I love that.
  • 00:18:46.164 --> 00:18:47.465
  • Because in these dayswhen people are concerned
  • 00:18:47.498 --> 00:18:49.867
  • about financial investments,concerned about all that,
  • 00:18:49.901 --> 00:18:52.003
  • we can invest in the livesof our children, of our family,
  • 00:18:52.036 --> 00:18:56.240
  • of our friends,of our co-workers.
  • 00:18:56.274 --> 00:18:58.376
  • That's something thatevery single one of us can do.
  • 00:18:58.409 --> 00:19:01.112
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Do you knowthat--this is a true statement.
  • 00:19:01.145 --> 00:19:03.147
  • You're either moving awayfrom your investment
  • 00:19:03.181 --> 00:19:05.349
  • or you're moving toward it.
  • 00:19:05.383 --> 00:19:07.652
  • If your investment is on thisearth and that's all you have,
  • 00:19:07.685 --> 00:19:10.087
  • you're moving away from it.
  • 00:19:10.121 --> 00:19:12.323
  • You won't be able to have that.
  • 00:19:12.356 --> 00:19:14.058
  • But if you invest in the thingsof eternity,
  • 00:19:14.091 --> 00:19:15.826
  • you're moving toward it.
  • 00:19:15.860 --> 00:19:17.795
  • Your investment is still ahead.
  • 00:19:17.828 --> 00:19:19.430
  • Sheila: That's beautiful.
  • 00:19:19.463 --> 00:19:20.998
  • Then you talk about, "You're notdone until you're done."
  • 00:19:21.032 --> 00:19:23.834
  • Your next step is to "Finish."
  • 00:19:23.868 --> 00:19:25.670
  • And reading that chapter,
  • 00:19:25.703 --> 00:19:27.605
  • I don't knowhow you felt writing,
  • 00:19:27.638 --> 00:19:29.307
  • but it felt like the mostpersonal chapter.
  • 00:19:29.340 --> 00:19:31.776
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,because it's kind of
  • 00:19:31.809 --> 00:19:33.477
  • where I'm at in life.
  • 00:19:33.511 --> 00:19:34.879
  • I wanted to use the byline,
  • 00:19:34.912 --> 00:19:36.581
  • "If you're not dead,you're not done,"
  • 00:19:36.614 --> 00:19:39.150
  • but they wouldn'tlet me do that.
  • 00:19:39.183 --> 00:19:40.484
  • I thought that wasthe better one but--
  • 00:19:40.518 --> 00:19:42.153
  • Sheila: I like that.
  • 00:19:42.186 --> 00:19:43.654
  • Dr. Jeremiah: But if you're notdone you're not done.
  • 00:19:43.688 --> 00:19:45.156
  • And I just talked aboutall the things that
  • 00:19:45.189 --> 00:19:46.490
  • are about finishing strong.
  • 00:19:46.524 --> 00:19:48.192
  • I can just say that for allthe years that I've been alive
  • 00:19:48.226 --> 00:19:51.495
  • including up to right now,I've gotten up every day
  • 00:19:51.529 --> 00:19:54.732
  • excited to do whatGod has called me to do.
  • 00:19:54.765 --> 00:19:58.469
  • I mean, I have my bad dayslike everybody does,
  • 00:19:58.502 --> 00:20:01.539
  • but I've never ever thoughtabout, "Oh, my goodness,
  • 00:20:01.572 --> 00:20:04.642
  • what am I gonna dowith the rest of my life?"
  • 00:20:04.675 --> 00:20:06.844
  • I'm sure my life is gonnarun out before I get done
  • 00:20:06.877 --> 00:20:09.847
  • with everything I wanna do.
  • 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:11.282
  • Sheila: I'm so glad youdidn't stop after the last book
  • 00:20:11.315 --> 00:20:13.584
  • because this book, it's alreadyhad a huge impact on my life.
  • 00:20:13.618 --> 00:20:16.420
  • So we finished well.
  • 00:20:16.454 --> 00:20:18.456
  • Is there one more step?
  • 00:20:18.489 --> 00:20:20.891
  • Dr. Jeremiah:Yeah, to celebrate.
  • 00:20:20.925 --> 00:20:22.260
  • Sheila: Yeah, love that.
  • 00:20:22.293 --> 00:20:23.594
  • Dr. Jeremiah: And the reasonI think that's so powerful is
  • 00:20:23.628 --> 00:20:25.129
  • because a lot of people think,"Okay, this life is like
  • 00:20:25.162 --> 00:20:28.733
  • a compartment that's endedand then after that
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  • then there's this big transitionand you go to heaven."
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  • And I don't think they realizehow much of what we do now
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  • we're gonna do in heavenwithout any of the distractions,
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  • without any of the problems.
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  • For instance, in heavenwe're gonna work.
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  • Sheila: Yeah, love that.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: But we'll neverget tired.
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  • We'll always be able to finisheverything we start.
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  • We will not have any opposition.
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  • It will be work as unto the Lordso joyous and wonderful.
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  • And you go through a lot ofthe things that we do now,
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  • the one thing we can't do inheaven is there won't be any
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  • preaching which is kind of toughon me because
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  • we're gonna know evenas we are known.
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  • There'll be worship.
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  • But, you know, I just thinkheaven is going to be everything
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  • that we started to do herewith all of the negative taken
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  • out of it.
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  • Sheila: How does looking forwardto heaven personally help you
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  • and center you?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, I gottahonestly tell you, Sheila,
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  • I don't sit around all dayand think about heaven.
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  • I'm grateful that I know whatit's like and it's there for me
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  • and one day whenGod has finished with me here,
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  • I plan to spend the restof my eternity there.
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  • But just knowing thatthat's there.
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  • There's so much despairin the lives of people
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  • who don't know Jesus Christ.
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  • That's the differencethat heaven makes.
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  • Heaven makes it all worthwhile.
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  • Sheila: Is there anythingin particular about heaven
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  • that you, personally,are looking forward to?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: I have a lotof questions that I don't know
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  • the answers to and there's gonnabe some smart people up there
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  • who know the answers,who've lived in the answers.
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  • It's kind of amazing to thinkabout having an eternity
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  • to hang out with John and Pauland Timothy and, of course,
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  • most of all, to bewith the Lord Jesus Christ.
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  • Sheila: Yeah,one of the things I love,
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  • about this seriesand this book is,
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  • you talk about takingpersonal responsibility
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  • for living forward.
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  • What does God expect from usbecause I can imagine
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  • people thinking,"Well, I want to do all of this
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  • but I can't do this by myself."
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  • But God's not asking usto do that, is he?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,one of the pictures in my mind
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  • that created this bookwas a statement
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  • by N. T. Wright that wentsomething like this.
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  • He said, "Christians havetwo thresholds in their life:
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  • the threshold when they becomea Christian,
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  • and the thresholdwhen they go to heaven.
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  • But," he said, "unfortunately,most Christians have no clue
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  • what to do betweenthose two thresholds."
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  • So when you ask mewhat is our responsibility,
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  • our responsibility is to takethe instruction
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  • God has given usand put it into action.
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  • There should not be any doubtin our minds about what
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  • God wants us to do becausehe's given it to us in his Word,
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  • and yet, there's these differentattitudes about the Bible.
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  • There's interpretationand there's observation
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  • and then there's application.
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  • And over the last two orthree books that I've written,
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  • I have felt God pushing me hardtoward the application part,
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  • simply because our problemis not a problem
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  • between what we knowand what we don't know.
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  • Our problem is a problem betweenwhat we know and we don't do.
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  • And that's got to be changedif the church is gonna
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  • ever make any differencein the world.
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  • We know all thatwe're supposed to do.
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  • We just don't do it.
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  • And I'm praying that maybethis book will drive people
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  • forward in the trenches thatGod has laid out in his Word
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  • so we can begin to accomplishwhat he's called us to do.
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  • Sheila: So that would beyour prayer that
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  • when people have finishedlistening to this study,
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  • that they would hear from Godpersonally in their own lives
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  • and begin to livetheir life forward,
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  • looking through the windshieldand not in the rear view mirror?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah:Exactly, and for many of them,
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  • Sheila, they already know it.
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  • But to get doing it, pursue it,get their mind right, all right?
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  • Sheila: Dr. Jeremiah,thank you so much
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  • for allowing meto join you today.
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  • I have learned so much,as I'm sure we all have.
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  • As you say, it is timeto move forward.
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  • Thank you.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: You're welcome.
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  • And I'm not using the word asthe ancient prophets did when
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