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Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah

Turning Point with Dr. David Jeremiah

October 5, 2020

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Sheila Walsh and Dr. Jeremiah share biblical principles for moving forward in life

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Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah

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Dr. David Jeremiah: Todayis about the rest of your life.
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It's about tomorrowand the day after that.
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The future God has plannedfor you shouldn't be
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a haphazard approach to life.
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You might feel stuck,but you don't have to be.
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Perhaps you're discouraged.
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It's time to deal with that.
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And if you feel uncertain,you can find clarity.
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You may not knowwhat's next but God does.
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He's there waiting for youin your tomorrow,
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so step into it anddiscover God's presence
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and purpose in your life.
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Starting today, starting now,it's time to move forward.
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male announcer: It's timewe rise above our circumstances,
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conquer our fears,face the future with faith,
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prevail over the past, aspireto accomplish greater things,
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reclaim our birthright,proclaim his power,
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and claim God's promises.
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God has more for us.
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It's not time to stop.
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It's time to move forward.
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Thank you for being with ustoday for Dr. Jeremiah's
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new series, "Forward."
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Now, here's Dr. Jeremiah'spowerful "How to Move Forward"
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interview with Sheila Walsh.
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Sheila Walsh: Dr. Jeremiah,it's just lovely
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to be with you again.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well,thank you for coming.
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We've sort of been meetingall over the place,
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different parts of the country,and it's always
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because we're gonna talkabout something important.
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Sheila: But this is different.
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I cannot thinkof a more timely message.
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Tell us about your new project,"Forward."
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Dr. Jeremiah: You know,"Forward" is not a place
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where you are,it's a direction you go.
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And everybody needsto move forward.
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And Christians, especially,the past is something you know
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for sure that's happened.
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Maybe you feel like, you know,"I wish I could go back there."
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You always hear people talkingabout the good old days
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which I haven't been ableto figure out when they were.
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And obviously, sometimein the future they'll talk
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about our days as those days.
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Sheila: I'm not sureabout 2020.
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They might skip over that one.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah, 2020,we might take that
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off the calendar.
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Yeah, that's a good idea.
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Sheila: Let's dive in, though.
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First step in moving forwardis "Dream."
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And you write,"Seize your tomorrow today."
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What do you mean by that?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,the way we're constructed,
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the way we're built,before we can go someplace,
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we have to see it in our mind.
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We have to be able to negotiateour destination before we start
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the journey and,while we don't realize that
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that's happening,we've done it all of our lives.
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As you get older and you beginto realize your life
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needs direction, you need to askGod what it is he wants you
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to do and that becomesyour focus and your dream.
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Sheila: Some people would say,
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"Well, isn't dreamingjust for the younger people,
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you know, for people who havetheir whole life ahead of them?"
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But you write, "Don't dismissthat so quickly."
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you stop dreaming,
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you start dying.
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If you don't have any reasonto get up,
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if you don't have anythingyou believe you need to do,
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if you don't feel any callingfrom God for what's next,
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something happensand it's not pretty.
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Sheila: The next stepyou talk about is one
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that is so central to our faith:"Pray."
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But I love the factthat you chose the life
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of the prophet Nehemiahto illustrate
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what forward praying looks like.
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Why did you choose him?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, becauseNehemiah's prayer was associated
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with his dream, and I thoughtthat was a great way to tie
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those two thoughts together.
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The Bible says that whenthe Jews went back to Israel
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and started to build the wallagain that they got discouraged
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and they quit.
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Nehemiah was in Shushan,the palace,
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working for the governor,for the head
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of the whole empire,and he wanted to go back
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and help rebuild the walland this is what he said.
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He said, "God put itin my heart."
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That's where the dream began.
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And he began to pray and thereason it was put in his heart
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because he began to prayfor his friends back home,
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that they weren't buildinganything.
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He was brokenhearted,he was in tears.
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And during that prayer,God put it in his heart.
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How many times has it beenwhen you've prayed and God said,
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"Okay, you answeryour own prayer"?
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Sheila: That's so true.
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Dr. Jeremiah: That's whathappened to Nehemiah.
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Sheila: But it's interestingtoo because Nehemiah
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had to take a risk going into see the king with a sad face.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,he went in to see the king
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and the king says,"Why are you sad?"
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And it's really interestingif you study the culture.
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That was a capital offense.
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If you were ever sadin front of the king,
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it was over for you.
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When the king asked him that,he said,
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"Well, why wouldn't I be sad?
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My friends are back in Jerusalemand the walls are in disrepair."
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Sheila: Yeah, but you powerfullyillustrate in that chapter
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the way that Nehemiahshot up that quick prayer
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because sometimes you havetime to pray for a long time but
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you're in front of a king, doingsomething that could cost you
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your life, you don't have timefor a long prayer.
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Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,that's really--
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that's such a great thought,Sheila, because he's standing
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in front of this man, this king,who's the awesome one.
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And the Bible says he is asked"What do you want me to do?"
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And then the Scripture says:"So I prayed to God
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and I said to the king."
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That's how that works, isn't it?
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You get caught in a moment.
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You don't have a long time fora lot of introductory phrases.
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You just pray to God.
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That's calledinstantaneous prayer.
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I often thought that we knowwhat it's like to say,
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"God, help.
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Help me.I don't know what to do."
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Sheila: I thoughtit was interesting,
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"Choosing Your Priorities."
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I think, and maybe particularlyat the moment,
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people feel pulled in a millionand one directions.
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How do you learnhow to prioritize
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and get rid of distractions?
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Dr. Jeremiah: What I've learnedis if you wanna say, "Yes",
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to something more,you have to be willing to say
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"No" to somethingyou're already doing.
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That's been a really hard lessonfor me because
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I'm a "Yes" person when peopleask me to do something.
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But in order for you to realizeyour dream and get to where
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you believe God wants you to go,you can't be doing everything.
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Sheila: Yeah, it took mea while to learn that "No"
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is a complete sentence.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Yes, it is.It is indeed.
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Sheila:Getting back to basics,
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when it comesto choosing priorities,
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what does Jesus sayabout how we go about that?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,one time he was asked,
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what was the mostimportant thing and he said,
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"The most important thing isto love God with all your heart
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and secondly, love others.
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And then thirdly,"which surprises most people,
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"love yourself."
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That often is misunderstoodand misapplied
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but it doesn't meanit has to go away.
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Love your neighbors as yourself.
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And until you begin to realizehow important it is to take care
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of yourself, you don't haveanything to give
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to anybody else.
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Sheila: How do you personally,Dr. Jeremiah,
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organize your priorities?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Oh, you know,I sometimes think my priorities
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organize me, you know?
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That's what it feels like a lot.
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I have one basic prioritythat kind of drives everything
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and that is I'm committedto the task of teaching
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the Word of God.
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That's what he's called meto do.
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And it's really hard for meto add things to my life
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that don't have somethingto do with that.
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I do, but I don't do it veryoften and I don't usually do it
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very productivelybecause what I do is so tied
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to what I believe isimportant for me,
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I don't thinkthat's the only priority
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and it's not the priority foreverybody but it's my priority.
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Sheila: You talkabout the importance
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in the next step of "Focus."
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I think a lot of people feellike they get stuck in the past
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and I was wondering howdo you find that right balance
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between balancing the past,the present, and the future?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,that chapter's kind of built
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around maybe the theme verse forthe whole book where Paul says,
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"Forgetting those thingswhich are behind, I press toward
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the mark for the high callingof God in Christ Jesus."
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And what Paul wasn't saying is,"Do away with my past,"
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but what he was saying is,"I'm not gonna let the past
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control my presentor my future."
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And when you stopand think about it,
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Paul had some awful thingsto forget, you know?
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He was the great persecutorof the church.
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He killed some peoplebecause of their faith.
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I know he imprisoneda lot of them.
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I know a lot of people that havebad things in their past
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and they can't get beyond it.
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But Paul also hadsome good things.
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He was the Pharisee of Pharisee.
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He had--his pedigree,which is in the Bible twice,
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is like none you'd ever readin your life.
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He was so well qualified andhe had so much going for him
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and Paul said,
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"Neither my failures normy successes control my life."
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I don't let those thingscontrol me.
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I have a goal for the future andthat's what drives me forward.
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♪♪♪
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announcer:Maybe you're asking,
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God's Presence and Purposein Your Tomorrow,"
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Dr. Jeremiah answerswith a biblical strategy
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of God's constant unfolding planfor you,
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no matter what circumstancesor challenges
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Sheila: Welcome back.I'm Sheila Walsh.
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I'm here with Dr. David Jeremiahto discuss his new series,
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"Forward: DiscoveringGod's Presence and Purpose
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for Your Life."
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What did you meanwhen you wrote,
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"Make the one thingthe main thing"?
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Dr. Jeremiah: It's not easyto come up with one thing
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but when you realize what it isthat God wants you to do,
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when you figure that out,then you spend
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the rest of your life tryingto make sure
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that it keeps its placeas your priority.
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And it is attackedevery single day.
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Sheila: Yeah,I love the next step,
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"Risk: Getting Outof the Safe Zone."
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We don't always think about,as believers,
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of taking a risk.
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We think of that maybe as,you know, dangerous,
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careless behavior.
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But in your experienceas a pastor,
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why is that so important to beable to move out
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of a safe placeto a place of risk?
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Dr. Jeremiah:Well, I suppose, to be honest,
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Sheila, risk is just anothermore secular term for faith.
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Living in the unknown,beyond where you can see.
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And if you're not willingto risk as a believer,
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if you're not willingto walk by faith,
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you can't go forward.
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You're always gonna be waitingfor the next place
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where you feel secureand you will never go beyond
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your security blanket and that'swhere a lot of Christians are.
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And the Bibledoesn't allow us that.
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The Bible's so filled withstories about people who risked
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in their walk with Godand that's where the joy is.
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That's where the advance is.
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Sheila: And you highlightthat powerfully
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through the life of Caleb.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Yes.
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Sheila: Tell us about that.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well,Caleb was among a bunch of guys
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who went into Canaansupposedly to spy it out,
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really just to confirm what Godhad already told them was there.
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And when they got into Canaan,ten of the guys saw the people
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that were there, the giants,and they came back
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and they said,"We can't go in there.
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We're like grasshoppers.These are huge men.
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We'll get destroyed."
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Caleb and Joshua came back.
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They had a muchdifferent report.
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They were in the minority.
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They risked everything to say,"That isn't true.
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We are able to do this."
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I've always thought this.
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The ten guys who said,"We can't do it,"
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made the mistake of measuringthemselves against the giants.
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Caleb and Joshua measuredthemselves against God
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and they realized that whilethey were not able to do it,
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they had a big God who couldhelp them take the risk
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and you know the restof the story.
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The people who didn't believe,the spies,
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they were immediately destroyed,and all the people who believed
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the spies had 40 yearsuntil they all died
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before they were allowed to gointo the Promised Land.
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And when it wasall said and done,
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only the two guys that risked,Caleb and Joshua,
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had the privilege of going in.
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Sheila: Amazing.
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What are the benefits,spiritually,
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of living in the faith zone?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well,I'll tell you one thing.
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It sure is exciting.
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It's very adventuresome.
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Every day you have to just say,"Lord, whatever comes today,
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help me figure it outand do what you want me to do
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and live by faith every dayand trust you."
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That's just kindof the daily thing, but then,
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there's the big things toothat come along.
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I remember whenwe were trying to buy
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the first radio station timeand how scary that was to us.
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We didn't havethe money to do it.
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We felt God was calling usto do it.
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And I remember saying, "Yes,"when I had no idea
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how it was gonna happen.
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Sheila: That's faith.
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Dr. Jeremiah:There's a fine line,
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as you know, between faithand foolishness and
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you gotta be careful that youdon't just get crazy and say,
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"I'm just gonna do thisand God'll bless it."
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But God is honoredwhen we take a step of faith
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and trust him to fulfillhis promise.
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Sheila: You talk on the nextstep about "chasing your dream,"
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and I think many of usare guilty of not doing that.
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We almost kind of quitand give up.
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And one of the questionsI get asked often is,
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"Is it possible to know God'swill and plan for your life?"
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Dr. Jeremiah: I actually dobelieve that it is.
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I believe you can knowwhat God wants you to do
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and I think there's a passivitythat fills the hearts
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of a lot of peoplebecause they think,
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"Well, if this is whatGod wants me to do,
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he's gonna do it andI'll just be a participant."
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I actually hear peopleteach that.
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God has promised to do his partbut that doesn't mean
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we don't have a partto play too.
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Maybe that's at the heartof where some people
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get lost because they thinkambition is not something
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that has a Christian value.
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You know, selfish ambitionis wrong but godly ambition
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is right.
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God expects us to be ambitiousfor the things he calls us to do
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and not just sit around andwait for something to happen,
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which is what a lotof people do.
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God wants us to strive forwardand move toward the goal
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he's set before us.
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Sheila: What do you thinkit would be like
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if every believer in our nationactually dared to dream
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and ask God what is your purposeand then embraced it?
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Dr. Jeremiah: It'd be a muchdifferent world
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than we have right now.
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I don't know what the percentageof people are who do that.
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It probably isn't as high aswe might even imagine but,
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you know, when you're aroundsomebody like that,
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it's infectious.
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You can sense, you know,this man, this woman,
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God has a plan for them andthey're invested in that plan.
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Sheila: Yeah, you talkabout the next step,
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"Believe: GettingYour Mind Right."
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What's the difference between--I mean,
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if you go to typical bookstores,there's whole sections
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on self-help and psychology.
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But there's a differencebetween believing, trusting God,
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and just positive thinking.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Paul said,"I can do all things
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through Christwho strengthens me."
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That's not neutral motivation.
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That's spiritual motivation.
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One time, Paul listsall the things that come
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against him in life and he said,
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"But I am a super-conquerorover all these things."
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I love that because the Greekword has the word "nike" in it
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and the word "nike"means victory.
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And Paul said, "All those thingsare against me
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but I still have victoryover them."
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Super-victory.
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Paul was a positive personand we need more
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and more people to stand up andbe positive about their faith.
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Yes, we need to deal with sinwhen it comes
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and we should never ignore itbut life, if you're a Christian,
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can be a positive walk with God.
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Sheila: But why do you thinkit is that so many believers,
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so many in the church,are way more like Eeyore
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than they are like Tigger?
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Why is it that negative thinkingis--I mean,
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if you think aboutwhat we believe,
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we should be the mostpositive people on the planet.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well,if we really believe
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what we believebecause it's from God,
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we trust God to help us,and we can be positive.
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But so often what happensand this is called legalism,
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we become Christiansand we think it's up to us
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to keep the standard up.
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So, the way you do that is,you keep denying everything
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that gets in your way and youjust become a negative person.
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Sheila: Wow, how has the Biblehelped you to remain positive
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'cause I know that you have gonethrough tough things
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in your life over and over.
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How has God's Word helped youto remain positive?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you read the Bible,
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you just keep runninginto these people who,
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like, for instance, Joseph.
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His brothers wanted to destroyhim and his take on it was,
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"You meant it for evil,but God meant it for good."
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And there are so many storieslike Daniel's that way.
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If you read the Bible, you justrun into these people over
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and over again and you think,"I have no right to complain."
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The things men and womenwent through in the Scripture
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make our battles todayseem rather petty
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and there really isn'tany reason for us to be negative
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if we know the Godwe claim to know.
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Sheila: That's so true.That is a great perspective.
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I love this next step:"Invest: Outlive Your Life."
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What do you mean by that?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, Sheila,you can live your life
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in such a way that afteryou're gone it keeps on going,
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you know?
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Living your life in such a way
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that you investin the Word of God,
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in the work of God,and in the wealth of God
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in such a way thatit lives beyond you.
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Sheila: For someone who'swatching who's not a pastor,
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maybe not in what they wouldconsider full-time ministry,
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how do you live investingin eternal things?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,those three things
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I think are the key things.
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You study the Word of Godand you share it.
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Did you know, Sheila,there's only two things
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that are eternal:the Word of God
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and the souls of men and women.
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So when you investin the Word of God
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and you invest in the soulsof men and women,
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you're investing in thingsthat are eternal
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that are gonna go before youinto heaven.
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They'll be there.
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The Bible is forever.
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Men and womenhave forever souls.
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When you invest in someone,for instance,
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and you share the gospelwith them and they become
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a Christian, you have investedin their eternity and one day
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you're gonna be in heaven.
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You know, there's a song thatwas written years ago called,
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"Thank you," and it's all aboutpeople in heaven coming up
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to you and saying, "Thank youfor telling me about Jesus
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so I could be in heaven."
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Sheila: "I'm a lifethat was saved."
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Dr. Jeremiah: That's right.
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Sheila: I love that.
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Because in these dayswhen people are concerned
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about financial investments,concerned about all that,
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we can invest in the livesof our children, of our family,
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of our friends,of our co-workers.
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That's something thatevery single one of us can do.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Do you knowthat--this is a true statement.
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You're either moving awayfrom your investment
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or you're moving toward it.
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If your investment is on thisearth and that's all you have,
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you're moving away from it.
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You won't be able to have that.
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But if you invest in the thingsof eternity,
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you're moving toward it.
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Your investment is still ahead.
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Sheila: That's beautiful.
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Then you talk about, "You're notdone until you're done."
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Your next step is to "Finish."
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And reading that chapter,
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I don't knowhow you felt writing,
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but it felt like the mostpersonal chapter.
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Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,because it's kind of
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where I'm at in life.
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I wanted to use the byline,
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"If you're not dead,you're not done,"
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but they wouldn'tlet me do that.
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I thought that wasthe better one but--
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Sheila: I like that.
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Dr. Jeremiah: But if you're notdone you're not done.
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And I just talked aboutall the things that
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are about finishing strong.
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I can just say that for allthe years that I've been alive
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including up to right now,I've gotten up every day
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excited to do whatGod has called me to do.
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I mean, I have my bad dayslike everybody does,
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but I've never ever thoughtabout, "Oh, my goodness,
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what am I gonna dowith the rest of my life?"
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I'm sure my life is gonnarun out before I get done
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with everything I wanna do.
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Sheila: I'm so glad youdidn't stop after the last book
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because this book, it's alreadyhad a huge impact on my life.
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So we finished well.
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Is there one more step?
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Dr. Jeremiah:Yeah, to celebrate.
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Sheila: Yeah, love that.
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Dr. Jeremiah: And the reasonI think that's so powerful is
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because a lot of people think,"Okay, this life is like
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a compartment that's endedand then after that
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then there's this big transitionand you go to heaven."
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And I don't think they realizehow much of what we do now
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we're gonna do in heavenwithout any of the distractions,
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without any of the problems.
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For instance, in heavenwe're gonna work.
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Sheila: Yeah, love that.
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Dr. Jeremiah: But we'll neverget tired.
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We'll always be able to finisheverything we start.
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We will not have any opposition.
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It will be work as unto the Lordso joyous and wonderful.
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And you go through a lot ofthe things that we do now,
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the one thing we can't do inheaven is there won't be any
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preaching which is kind of toughon me because
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we're gonna know evenas we are known.
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There'll be worship.
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But, you know, I just thinkheaven is going to be everything
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that we started to do herewith all of the negative taken
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out of it.
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Sheila: How doeslooking forward to heaven
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personally help youand center you?
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Dr. Jeremiah: Well, I gottahonestly tell you, Sheila,
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I don't sit around all dayand think about heaven.
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I'm grateful that I know whatit's like and it's there for me
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and one day whenGod has finished with me here,
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I plan to spend the restof my eternity there.
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But just knowing thatthat's there.
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There's so much despairin the lives of people
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who don't know Jesus Christ.
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That's the differencethat heaven makes.
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Heaven makes it allworthwhile.
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Sheila: Is there anythingin particular about heaven
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that you, personally,are looking forward to?
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Dr. Jeremiah: I have a lotof questions that I don't know
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the answers to and there's gonnabe some smart people up there
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who know the answers,who've lived in the answers.
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It's kind of amazing to thinkabout having an eternity
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to hang out with John and Pauland Timothy and, of course,
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most of all, to bewith the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Sheila: Yeah,one of the things I love,
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you talk about takingpersonal responsibility
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for living forward.
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What does God expect from usbecause I can imagine
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people thinking,"Well, I want to do all of this
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but I can't do this by myself."
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But God's not asking usto do that, is he?
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Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,one of the pictures in my mind
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that created this bookwas a statement
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by N. T. Wright that wentsomething like this.
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He said, "Christians havetwo thresholds in their life:
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the threshold when they becomea Christian,
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and the thresholdwhen they go to heaven.
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But," he said, "unfortunately,most Christians have no clue
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what to do betweenthose two thresholds."
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So when you ask mewhat is our responsibility,
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our responsibility is to takethe instruction
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God has given usand put it into action.
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There should not be any doubtin our minds about what
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God wants us to do becausehe's given it to us in his Word,
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and yet, there's these differentattitudes about the Bible.
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There's interpretationand there's observation
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and then there's application.
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And over the last two orthree books that I've written,
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I have felt God pushing me hardtoward the application part,
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simply because our problemis not a problem
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between what we knowand what we don't know.
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Our problem is a problem betweenwhat we know and we don't do.
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And that's got to be changedif the church is gonna
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ever make any differencein the world.
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We know all thatwe're supposed to do.
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We just don't do it.
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And I'm praying that maybethis book will drive people
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forward in the trenches thatGod has laid out in his Word
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so we can begin to accomplishwhat he's called us to do.
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Sheila: So that would beyour prayer that
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when people have finishedlistening to this study,
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that they would hear from Godpersonally in their own lives
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and begin to livetheir life forward,
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looking through the windshieldand not in the rear view mirror?
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Dr. Jeremiah:Exactly, and for many of them,
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Sheila, they already know it.
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But to get doing it, pursue it,get their mind right, all right?
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Sheila: Dr. Jeremiah,thank you so much
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for allowing meto join you today.
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I have learned so much,as I'm sure we all have.
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As you say, it is timeto move forward.
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Thank you.
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Dr. Jeremiah: You're welcome.
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And I'm not using the word asthe ancient prophets did when
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supernatural visions of inspiredrevelation came across them.
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