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Who is the God of the Shack? | Episode 5

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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - MY NAME IS PAUL YOUNG, AND I'M THE AUTHOR
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  • OF "THE SHACK".
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  • I WANT TO INVITE YOU ON AN ADVENTURE WITH ME
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  • AND WITH THE BOOK.
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  • A LOT OF YOU HAVE READ IT.
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  • YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT, AND YOU
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • THIS IS A BOOK THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE RELATIONSHIP WITH
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  • THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT; QUESTIONS THAT WE
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  • HAVE ABOUT HURT AND LOSS AND GRIEF; QUESTIONS ABOUT
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  • WONDER AND BEAUTY AND JOY.
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  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE A LIFE OF FAITH?
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  • WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT DEATH?
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  • WHY DO TRAGIC THINGS HAPPEN TO US?
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  • THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE.
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  • I WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME WITH ME.
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  • THIS IS AN INVITATION.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - I'M GOING TO READ YOU A LITTLE PARAGRAPH OUT OF
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  • "THE SHACK", AND IT'S ON PAGE 14 IN A
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  • LOT OF EDITIONS.
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  • "WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ IS SOMETHING THAT
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  • MACK AND I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH FOR MANY MONTHS TO
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  • PUT INTO WORDS, IT'S A LITTLE -- WELL, NO, IT'S A
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  • LOT ON THE FANTASTIC SIDE.
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  • WHETHER SOME PARTS OF IT ARE ACTUALLY TRUE OR NOT,
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  • I WON'T BE THE JUDGE.
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  • SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT WHILE MANY THINGS MAY NOT
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  • BE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVABLE, THEY'RE STILL
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  • TRUE, NONETHELESS.
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  • I WILL TELL YOU HONESTLY THAT BEING A PART OF THIS
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  • STORY HAS AFFECTED ME DEEP INSIDE, A PLACE I HAD
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  • NEVER BEEN BEFORE AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED.
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  • I CONFESS TO YOU THAT I DESPERATELY WANT
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  • EVERYTHING MACK HAS TOLD ME TO BE TRUE.
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  • MOST DAYS, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH HIM, BUT ON OTHERS,
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  • WHEN THE VISIBLE WORLD OF CONCRETE AND COMPUTERS
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  • SEEMS TO BE THE REAL WORLD, I LOSE TOUCH, AND I
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  • HAVE MY DOUBTS." CHILDREN DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM
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  • UNTIL SOMEBODY TEACHES THEM OTHERWISE.
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  • THEY DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
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  • WORLD OF GOD AND THE WORLD THAT IS THIS, OR THE
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  • INVISIBLE THINGS ABOUT LOVE.
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  • WE SORT OF DIVIDED THE WORLD UP, AND I SEE IN
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  • JESUS IT ALL COMING BACK TOGETHER IN THE
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  • INCARNATION.
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  • THIS IS FULLY GOD, FULLY MAN TEACHING US WHAT IT'S
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  • LIKE TO BE FULLY HUMAN.
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  • - CAR LEAVES IN 20 SECONDS.
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  • - WE GOTTA GO, YOU LITTLE RASCAL.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - DO YOU THINK THE PRINCESS SHOULD HAVE A RED
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  • DRESS LIKE MINE?
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  • - RED IT IS.
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  • - ALL RIGHT, WOO!
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  • - WHERE'S MISSY?
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  • - MISSY!
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  • - WHERE'S MISSY?
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  • - SORRY, MACK, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN HER.
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  • - MISSY!
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  • MISSY!!
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  • [SIRENS]
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  • - I'M SCARED.
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  • - I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
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  • - POLICE DISPATCHER: POSSIBLE SUSPECT SIGHTING.
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  • GROUND TEAMS FOUND A TRUCK IN THE MOUNTAINS.
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  • - I'M REALLY SORRY, MR. PHILLIPS.
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  • - [SCREAMING] NO!
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  • - WANT SOME HELP OVER THERE?
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  • - I'M OKAY.
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  • - HOW ABOUT SOME DINNER TONIGHT?
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  • - MAYBE NEXT TIME.
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  • [SCREAMING]
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  • - I'M SO...
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  • I'M SO SORRY.
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  • - WE'VE LOST SO MUCH ALREADY.
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  • I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU, TOO.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - A LETTER SHOWED UP IN MY MAIL BOX.
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  • THERE ARE NO TRACKS IN THE SHOW.
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  • - YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT GOING BACK THERE,
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  • ARE YOU?
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  • - I GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
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  • - YOU KNOW THIS ISN'T A GOOD IDEA.
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  • - IT'S CRAZY, BUT THIS IS ALL I GOT.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - GOT A FIRE GOING INSIDE IF YOU WANT TO WARM UP.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - MACKENZIE ALLEN PHILLIPS.
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  • I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
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  • - DO I KNOW YOU?
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  • - NOT VERY WELL, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
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  • - YOU'RE STILL HAVING A HARD TIME
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  • BELIEVING THIS IS REAL.
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  • - WHY DID YOU BRING ME HERE?
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  • - THERE'S NO EASY ANSWER THAT WILL TAKE
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  • YOUR PAIN AWAY.
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  • - WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU?
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  • - I NEVER LEFT YOU.
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  • I NEVER LEFT MISSY.
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  • AIN'T IT JUST LIKE A TEAR TO GO...
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  • - YOU WANT ME TO FORGIVE HIM?
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  • I WANT HIM TO HURT LIKE HE HURT ME.
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  • JUST LIKE GLASS...
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  • - YOU WANT THE PROMISE OF A PAIN-FREE LIFE?
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  • - YEAH.
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  • - THERE ISN'T ONE.
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  • - YOU CAN DO THIS.
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  • - I CAN'T.
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  • - ON YOUR OWN, YOU CAN'T.
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  • - THIS IS YOUR FLYING LESSON.
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME...
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  • WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY HOME...
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME...
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  • - I BELIEVE YOU.
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME...
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME...
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - SO MACKENZIE IS ON HIS WAY BACK TO THE SHACK.
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  • IT'S THE PLACE OF HIS GREATEST LOSS.
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  • IT'S THE PLACE OF HIS BROKEN HEART.
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  • THAT'S "THE SHACK", THE HEART AND THE SOUL OF A
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  • HUMAN BEING THAT'S BROKEN.
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  • WHEN HE FIRST GETS BACK TO THE SHACK, HE BLOWS UP,
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  • AND THE GOD HE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO SHOW UP DOESN'T
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  • BECAUSE THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST.
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  • FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S THE GOD THAT I GREW UP
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  • WITH, THE ONE WHO DOESN'T EXIST, THE ONE WHO IS
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  • DISTANT, DISAPPROVING; AS I SAID, GANDOLPH WITH A
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  • BAD ATTITUDE.
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  • BUT THAT'S ALSO THE GOD OF RELIGION THAT'S SORT OF
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  • THE MAGICAL GOD.
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  • IF YOU KNOW HOW TO HAVE ENOUGH FAITH, OR YOU CAN
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  • PRAY ENOUGH, OR YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ENOUGH, THEN YOU
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  • CAN KIND OF MANIPULATE THAT GOD INTO
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  • DOING YOUR SERVICE.
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  • GOD DOESN'T EXIST, NOT THAT ONE.
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  • SO WHEN HE IS CONFRONTED BY THE THREE,
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  • EVERYTHING CHANGES.
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  • THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS
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  • WHEN HE IS STANDING ON THE PORCH, AND FROM INSIDE HIS
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  • SHACK COMES THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • NOW, THINK ABOUT THIS.
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  • MACKENZIE HAS NOT REPENTED.
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  • HE HAS NOT CONFESSED, AND GOD IS COMING FROM WITHIN
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  • HIS OWN BROKEN PLACE.
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  • THAT IS THE STATEMENT THAT STARTED THE REFORMATION.
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  • CALVIN AND LUTHER, THE DECLARATION THAT
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  • FORGIVENESS PRECEDES CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE.
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  • FORGIVENESS PRECEDES CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE.
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  • THAT'S WHY PAPA, JESUS, AND SARAYU ARE COMING FROM
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  • INSIDE OUT, TO BRING HIM INTO HIS OWN PAIN BECAUSE
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  • THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PLACE WHERE HIS HEALING IS
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  • GOING TO HAPPEN.
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  • SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE THREE FOR A MINUTE.
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  • WHEN PAPA INTRODUCES HERSELF, THIS IS GOD THE
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  • FATHER, SHE INTRODUCES HERSELF AS ELUOSIA, AND
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  • THAT NAME IS A COMBINATION OF A HEBREW WORD
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  • AND A GREEK WORD.
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  • THE HEBREW WORD COMES FROM THE VERY FIRST VERSE OF
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  • SCRIPTURE, THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES, GENESIS 1:1.
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  • "IN THE BEGINNING, ELOHIM..." EL.
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  • ELOHIM IS A VERY SPECIAL NAME FOR GOD.
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  • IT'S A PLURAL NAME.
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  • THE PLURALITY EXISTS, BUT THE VERBS ARE IN SINGULAR,
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  • AND THE PRONOUNS ARE PLURAL, AS WELL.
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  • "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR...", PLURAL.
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  • ELOHIM IS THE PRESENCE OF THE TRINITY
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  • FROM GENESIS 1.
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  • UOSIA IS A GREEK WORD FOR "BEING".
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  • SO ELUOSIA IS ELOHIM, GOD, IN PLURALITY OF PERSON WHO
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  • IS THE GROUND OF ALL BEING.
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  • THAT'S ELUOSIA, BUT MACKENZIE CAN'T WRAP HIS
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  • HEAD AROUND THAT, SO IT'S PAPA.
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  • NOW JESUS, THAT WAS A PRETTY SIMPLE ONE.
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  • IN "THE SHACK" MOVIE, BY THE WAY, JESUS IS PLAYED
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  • BY AVIV ALUSH WHO IS FROM TEL AVIV.
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  • WE THINK IT MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME THAT JESUS HAS
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  • EVER BEEN PORTRAYED IN A MAJOR MOTION
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  • PICTURE BY A JEW.
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  • I MEAN, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?
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  • SARAYU IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME
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  • WHY AN ASIAN WOMAN AND WHY A WOMAN?
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  • WELL, THE FEMALE PART'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
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  • SARAYU AND RUACH, THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE HEBREW
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  • SCRIPTURES, ARE FEMININE.
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  • NOW, THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANY MORE THAN PAPA GOD IS AN
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  • ACTUAL FEMALE BECAUSE ALL OF MALENESS AND FEMALENESS
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  • ORIGINATE IN THE NATURE AND BEING OF GOD.
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  • THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT LIKE A FEMALE PART OF THE
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  • TRINITY, BUT THE REPUTATION WITHIN
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  • SCRIPTURE IS OFTEN IN FEMININE FORM.
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  • THE WORD RUACH IS FEMININE.
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  • LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WHERE THE NAME CAME FROM
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  • BECAUSE SARAYU IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.
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  • I WAS RIDING THE TRAIN DOWN TO ONE OF MY THREE
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  • JOBS WORKING ON WRITING THE BOOK, AND I GOT TO
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  • THIS ONE DAY, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I
  • 00:09:50.160 --> 00:09:53.220
  • NEED A NAME FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • I'VE GOT PAPA AND JESUS.
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  • I DON'T WANT TO BE PAPA, JESUS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • SO I GET TO WORK THAT DAY, AND I WAS WORKING FOR A
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  • WEB CONFERENCING COMPANY DOWNTOWN.
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  • I GET A CALL.
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  • THIS ONE WAS FROM AN INDIAN WOMAN CALLING FROM
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  • INDIA, AND HER COMPANY IS LOOKING FOR A
  • 00:10:10.270 --> 00:10:14.240
  • WEB-CONFERENCING SOLUTION.
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  • WELL, I'M LOOKING FOR A NAME FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT,
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  • AND IT TAKES ME ABOUT TWO MINUTES TO FIGURE OUT THAT
  • 00:10:18.150 --> 00:10:22.040
  • I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR HER SITUATION, BUT I
  • 00:10:22.060 --> 00:10:25.280
  • KNEW WHERE SHE COULD GO, AND I TOLD HER.
  • 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.140
  • AND THEN I SAID, I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK YOU.
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  • COULD YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF WORDS IN YOUR DIALECT
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  • IN INDIA FOR THE WIND?
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  • BECAUSE THE WIND IS A METAPHOR FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • AND SHE SAYS, SURE.
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  • AND SHE GIVES ME ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT WORDS FOR
  • 00:10:44.020 --> 00:10:48.010
  • THE WIND, AND I'M IMMEDIATELY ATTRACTED
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  • TO ONE OF THEM... SARAYU.
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  • I SAID, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
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  • DO YOU EVER NAME YOUR CHILDREN AFTER THIS?
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  • AND SHE SAID, NO, BUT SHE SAID, WE HAVE A RIVER
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  • NAMED AFTER THIS.
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  • I WENT, REALLY?
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  • BECAUSE THE RIVER IS ANOTHER METAPHOR
  • 00:11:02.070 --> 00:11:04.180
  • FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:06.180
  • SO MY NEXT QUESTION WAS, THIS IS WHAT'S
  • 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.210
  • REALLY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:11.270
  • WHY KIND OF WIND IS THIS?
  • 00:11:11.290 --> 00:11:13.240
  • BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A TORNADO, AND I DON'T
  • 00:11:13.260 --> 00:11:16.080
  • WANT A HURRICANE.
  • 00:11:16.100 --> 00:11:17.210
  • AND THIS IS HER EXACT RESPONSE, "SARAYU IS THE
  • 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:23.010
  • COMMON WIND THAT CATCHES YOU BY SURPRISE."
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  • I WENT, REALLY?
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  • SHE SAID, OH, YEAH.
  • 00:11:29.060 --> 00:11:30.120
  • YOU KNOW THOSE DAYS WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE SO HOT
  • 00:11:30.140 --> 00:11:32.050
  • YOU'RE GOING TO DIE, AND SUDDENLY OUT OF NOWHERE
  • 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:34.110
  • COMES THIS WIND THAT COOLS YOU DOWN AND CHANGES
  • 00:11:34.130 --> 00:11:38.070
  • EVERYTHING? YEAH, I KNOW.
  • 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:40.180
  • I'M JUST OVERWHELMED.
  • 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.100
  • I HAVE A NAME FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND THAT'S WHERE
  • 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:48.160
  • SARAYU CAME FROM.
  • 00:11:48.180 --> 00:11:50.100
  • SO MACKENZIE IS NOW EMBRACED WITHIN A MYSTERY
  • 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.260
  • THAT HE DOESN'T BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:11:54.280 --> 00:11:58.000
  • HE'S AT THE SHACK.
  • 00:11:58.020 --> 00:11:59.100
  • HE DOESN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT HE IS WORKING INSIDE
  • 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.280
  • OF HIS OWN PAIN, HIS OWN LOSSES, HIS OWN CONFUSION,
  • 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.020
  • AND HE'S EMBRACED AND SURROUNDED IN THE LOVE OF
  • 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:09.230
  • THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:11.230
  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - BY THE END OF CHAPTER 4, MACKENZIE'S WORLD HAS
  • 00:12:30.220 --> 00:12:34.060
  • BEEN ABSOLUTELY SHATTERED.
  • 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.100
  • UP IN THE OREGON WILDERNESS, THEY HAVE
  • 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:41.070
  • DISCOVERED MISSY'S BLOOD-STAINED RED
  • 00:12:41.090 --> 00:12:44.230
  • DRESS, BUT NO BODY.
  • 00:12:44.250 --> 00:12:48.110
  • IT'S THESE CHAPTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SO DIFFICULT
  • 00:12:48.130 --> 00:12:50.160
  • FOR SO MANY PEOPLE.
  • 00:12:50.180 --> 00:12:52.100
  • THEY COULDN'T HANDLE IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO WRENCHING.
  • 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.110
  • I'M GOING TO READ FROM THE VERY END OF CHAPTER 4.
  • 00:12:56.130 --> 00:13:01.240
  • "IN SPITE OF HIS ANGER AND DEPRESSION, MACK KNEW THAT
  • 00:13:01.260 --> 00:13:04.160
  • THAT HE NEEDED SOME ANSWERS.
  • 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:07.020
  • HE REALIZED HE WAS STUCK, AND SUNDAY PRAYERS AND
  • 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:11.070
  • HYMNS WEREN'T CUTTING IT ANYMORE, IF THEY
  • 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:14.280
  • EVER REALLY HAD.
  • 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.090
  • CLOISTERED SPIRITUALITY SEEMED TO CHANGE NOTHING
  • 00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:19.280
  • IN THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE HE KNEW, MAYBE EXCEPT NAN,
  • 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.230
  • BUT SHE WAS SPECIAL. GOD MIGHT REALLY LOVE HER.
  • 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:29.210
  • SHE WASN'T A SCREW UP LIKE HIM.
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:33.080
  • HE WAS SICK OF GOD AND GOD'S RELIGION, SICK OF
  • 00:13:33.100 --> 00:13:35.140
  • ALL THE LITTLE RELIGIOUS SOCIAL CLUBS THAT DIDN'T
  • 00:13:35.160 --> 00:13:38.010
  • SEEM TO MAKE ANY REAL DIFFERENCE OR AFFECT ANY
  • 00:13:38.030 --> 00:13:40.050
  • REAL CHANGES. YES, MACK WANTED MORE.
  • 00:13:40.070 --> 00:13:46.050
  • AND HE WAS ABOUT TO GET MUCH MORE THAN HE
  • 00:13:46.070 --> 00:13:48.020
  • BARGAINED FOR."
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  • RELIGION CAN BE HELPFUL,
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  • AND IT CAN BE DESTRUCTIVE.
  • 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.120
  • RELIGION HAS A WAY OF REINFORCING LIES
  • 00:13:59.140 --> 00:14:06.010
  • THAT WE BELIEVE.
  • 00:14:06.030 --> 00:14:08.010
  • IT ALSO BRINGS GREAT GIFTS.
  • 00:14:08.030 --> 00:14:09.080
  • IT'S A HUMAN INSTITUTION.
  • 00:14:09.100 --> 00:14:12.120
  • YOU REALIZE THAT GOD DOESN'T
  • 00:14:12.140 --> 00:14:13.180
  • CREATE INSTITUTIONS?
  • 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.000
  • THAT GOD IS ONE WHO CLIMBS INTO THE INSTITUTIONS THAT
  • 00:14:16.020 --> 00:14:21.170
  • WE BUILD IN ORDER TO BUILD BRIDGES.
  • 00:14:21.190 --> 00:14:23.200
  • A LOT OF TIMES WE GET STUCK IN OUR RELIGION.
  • 00:14:23.220 --> 00:14:28.120
  • RELIGION CAN DO HUGE AMOUNTS OF DAMAGE,
  • 00:14:28.140 --> 00:14:31.230
  • ANY OF THEM.
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  • GOD DIDN'T COME TO START RELIGION.
  • 00:14:34.210 --> 00:14:36.170
  • WE STARTED RELIGION.
  • 00:14:36.190 --> 00:14:37.250
  • WE NEEDED A WAY TO HAVE A SENSE OF CONTROL OVER OUR
  • 00:14:37.270 --> 00:14:39.290
  • LIVES THAT DIDN'T TAKE THE RISK OF ACTUAL
  • 00:14:40.010 --> 00:14:43.180
  • RELATIONSHIP AND TRUST.
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  • A LOT OF TIMES, YOU CAN TAKE THE TRINITY OUT OF
  • 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:49.200
  • CHRISTIANITY, AND NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
  • 00:14:49.220 --> 00:14:53.130
  • SOMEHOW WE LOST THE CENTRALITY OF RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:14:53.150 --> 00:14:57.070
  • AND THE HIGH VIEW THAT GOD HAS FOR HUMANITY REFLECTS
  • 00:14:57.090 --> 00:15:00.080
  • IN THE INCARNATION OF JESUS.
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  • AND WE ARE SURROUNDED BY LIES THAT WE'VE TOLD
  • 00:15:04.010 --> 00:15:06.170
  • OURSELVES, AND WE'RE IN PRISON TO THEM.
  • 00:15:06.190 --> 00:15:10.180
  • AND THIS IS A GOD WHO COMES INTO THE MIDDLE OF
  • 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.180
  • OUR WORLD AS THE TRUTH.
  • 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:17.050
  • YOU SEE, TRUTH IS NOT JUST AN ABSTRACT
  • 00:15:17.070 --> 00:15:19.090
  • CONCEPT OR IDEA. TRUTH IS A PERSON.
  • 00:15:19.110 --> 00:15:23.230
  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - AND WHY IS THE TRINITY EVEN IMPORTANT?
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  • LIKE SOMEONE HAS SAID, IF YOU TOOK THE TRINITY OUT
  • 00:15:45.180 --> 00:15:48.110
  • OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, 95% OF EVERYTHING WOULDN'T
  • 00:15:48.130 --> 00:15:51.050
  • CHANGE, WHICH TELLS US THAT WE MISSED THE PLOT
  • 00:15:51.070 --> 00:15:57.020
  • BECAUSE EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO MULTIPLICITY OF
  • 00:15:57.040 --> 00:16:00.190
  • PERSON WITHIN THE VERY BEING OF GOD.
  • 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:03.050
  • WE ONLY BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THAT'S TRUE, BUT
  • 00:16:03.070 --> 00:16:06.190
  • THERE ARE THREE PERSONS.
  • 00:16:06.210 --> 00:16:08.000
  • IS WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?
  • 00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:09.250
  • BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MULTIPLICITY OF PERSON,
  • 00:16:09.270 --> 00:16:14.000
  • YOU DON'T HAVE A BASIS FOR LOVE OR RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:16:14.020 --> 00:16:17.240
  • THERE HAS TO BE AN OTHER, AND THIS IS WHY THERE ARE
  • 00:16:17.260 --> 00:16:21.120
  • CERTAIN RELIGIONS WHERE GOD IS SINGULARITY, AND
  • 00:16:21.140 --> 00:16:25.130
  • GOD IS ONE ALONE.
  • 00:16:25.150 --> 00:16:27.210
  • WELL, IF GOD IS ONE ALONE, GOD CANNOT, BY NATURE, BE
  • 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:31.160
  • LOVE BECAUSE LOVE REQUIRES AN OTHER.
  • 00:16:31.180 --> 00:16:34.250
  • SO THEY WILL TALK ABOUT GOD BEING MERCIFUL OR GOD
  • 00:16:34.270 --> 00:16:38.120
  • BEING KIND, THE ACTIVITY OF GOD, BUT THEY WILL NOT
  • 00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:42.100
  • TALK ABOUT GOD BEING LOVE BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR GOD
  • 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.220
  • TO BE LOVE, HE WOULD NEED ANOTHER, AND THE OTHER
  • 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.200
  • WOULD BE CREATION.
  • 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.270
  • AND ANYTHING GOD NEEDS IS GREATER THAN GOD, SO GOD
  • 00:16:48.290 --> 00:16:52.280
  • CANNOT BE LOVE.
  • 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.220
  • THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE TRINITY IS SO
  • 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.060
  • PROFOUNDLY IMPORTANT, AND THAT IS WHY LOVE AND
  • 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.190
  • RELATIONSHIP ARE AT THE CORE OF WHO WE ARE BECAUSE
  • 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:03.230
  • WE'RE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
  • 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:06.170
  • HERE'S A QUOTE, "WHAT WAS GOD TO DO SEEING THAT HIS
  • 00:17:06.190 --> 00:17:10.240
  • GOOD CREATION WAS ON THE ROAD TO RUIN AND ABOUT TO
  • 00:17:10.260 --> 00:17:14.120
  • LAPSE INTO NON-BEING?"
  • 00:17:14.140 --> 00:17:17.290
  • THAT IS FROM ATHENASIUS I WAS WRITTEN AROUND 300 A.D.
  • 00:17:18.010 --> 00:17:21.260
  • HE WAS A NORTH AFRICAN BROTHER AND BASICALLY
  • 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:25.180
  • WALKED IN AND HELPED THE COMMUNITY OF
  • 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.060
  • FAITH MOVE FORWARD.
  • 00:17:28.080 --> 00:17:31.110
  • HE WAS IN HIS EARLY 20s?
  • 00:17:31.130 --> 00:17:34.200
  • I HAVE A FRIEND WHO RAN INTO THAT QUOTE, ACTUALLY
  • 00:17:34.220 --> 00:17:37.180
  • ATHENASIUS' BOOK ON THE INCARNATION OF
  • 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.100
  • THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:17:40.120 --> 00:17:41.250
  • MY FRIEND IS BAXTER KRUGER, C. BAXTER KRUGER.
  • 00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:44.240
  • HE'S GOT A PH.D.
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  • HE WROTE "THE SHACK REVISITED" AND A
  • 00:17:46.010 --> 00:17:48.030
  • NUMBER OF OTHER BOOKS.
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  • HE IS A MISSISSIPPI STORY-TELLING THEOLOGIAN,
  • 00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:54.160
  • AND IT WAS ATHENASIUS THAT SHIFTED BAXTER FROM THE
  • 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:57.180
  • DIRECTION HE WAS GOING, AND SO HE MOVED TO
  • 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.160
  • ABERDEEN SCOTLAND AND STUDIED WITH THE TORRANCE
  • 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:02.220
  • BROTHERS AND NOW IS A PRE-EMINENT
  • 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.280
  • TRINITARIAN THEOLOGIAN.
  • 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.180
  • BAXTER WAS OUT IN COLORADO, AND HE WAS
  • 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.000
  • LOOKING AT THE MOUNTAIN EXPANSE.
  • 00:18:11.020 --> 00:18:13.000
  • NOW, HE COMES FROM A VERY TRADITIONAL REFORM SORT OF
  • 00:18:13.020 --> 00:18:16.040
  • BACKGROUND, SO THEY DON'T HAVE VISIONS.
  • 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:18.100
  • THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE PENTECOSTAL BROTHERS AND
  • 00:18:18.120 --> 00:18:20.180
  • SISTERS, BUT THEY DO HAVE VISUALS, AND BAXTER
  • 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:24.180
  • HAD A VISUAL.
  • 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:25.290
  • AND HE WAS LOOKING AT THIS MASSIVE MOUNTAIN RANGE,
  • 00:18:26.010 --> 00:18:29.200
  • AND HE COULD SEE A BEAVER DAMN THAT WAS BIG ENOUGH
  • 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:34.110
  • TO BLOCK THE ENTIRE MISSISSIPPI, MASSIVE.
  • 00:18:34.130 --> 00:18:38.210
  • AND HE ASKED THE LORD, WHAT IS THAT?
  • 00:18:38.230 --> 00:18:41.240
  • AND HE HEAR THE RESPONSE INSIDE HIS HEART, THAT IS
  • 00:18:41.260 --> 00:18:48.020
  • THE LIES OF PASTORS AND THEOLOGIANS AND THE
  • 00:18:48.040 --> 00:18:50.260
  • INSTITUTIONAL CHURCH SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN
  • 00:18:50.280 --> 00:18:53.030
  • DAMNING UP THE RIVERS OF LIVING WATER IN THE
  • 00:18:53.050 --> 00:18:56.020
  • WESTERN WORLD.
  • 00:18:56.040 --> 00:18:58.190
  • AND BAXTER WAS LOOKING AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHERE
  • 00:18:58.210 --> 00:19:00.230
  • THERE WERE THESE HUGE MONSTER REDWOODS, AND
  • 00:19:00.250 --> 00:19:04.060
  • THERE WAS ONE AT THE CENTER OF THE BOTTOM, AND
  • 00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:07.220
  • BAXTER SAID, WHAT IS THAT?
  • 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.270
  • AND HE HEARD, THAT, BAXTER, IS THE
  • 00:19:11.290 --> 00:19:15.120
  • LIE OF SEPARATION.
  • 00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:18.050
  • THE WESTERN WORLD HAS CONVINCED ITSELF THAT IT
  • 00:19:18.070 --> 00:19:22.080
  • HAS SEPARATED ITSELF FROM GOD.
  • 00:19:22.100 --> 00:19:25.040
  • THERE HAS NEVER BEEN SEPARATION.
  • 00:19:25.060 --> 00:19:27.110
  • THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A MYTH.
  • 00:19:27.130 --> 00:19:29.000
  • YOU TAKE THAT ONE OUT, AND THE WHOLE BEAVER DAMN WILL
  • 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:31.230
  • START TO CRUMBLE, BECAUSE FOR A LOT OF US, THE
  • 00:19:31.250 --> 00:19:36.030
  • GOSPEL WAS ABOUT SEPARATION.
  • 00:19:36.050 --> 00:19:38.170
  • THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION.
  • 00:19:38.190 --> 00:19:40.090
  • WE EVEN HAVE THIS IMAGINATION THAT SOMEHOW
  • 00:19:40.110 --> 00:19:42.170
  • GOD SPINS CREATION OUT THERE, AND THEN
  • 00:19:42.190 --> 00:19:45.200
  • IT MESSES ITSELF UP.
  • 00:19:45.220 --> 00:19:47.110
  • SO GOD SENDS JESUS OVER ON A RESCUE MISSION, AND
  • 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:51.030
  • JESUS BUILDS A BRIDGE BACK, AND THEN HE THEN
  • 00:19:51.050 --> 00:19:53.280
  • OFFERS A WAY BACK INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
  • 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.060
  • THAT'S OUR PICTURE OF THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:19:58.080 --> 00:20:00.050
  • THAT IS NOT, BY THE WAY, ATHENASIUS' PICTURE OR
  • 00:20:00.070 --> 00:20:03.060
  • IRENAEUS' OR ANY OF THE CHURCH FATHERS.
  • 00:20:03.080 --> 00:20:05.240
  • THEY DIDN'T HAVE THIS SENSE OF SEPARATION THAT
  • 00:20:05.260 --> 00:20:08.280
  • WE DO, SO WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?
  • 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.140
  • LET ME PUT IT IN VERY CLEAR WORDS.
  • 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.270
  • THE GOSPEL IS NOT THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE JESUS
  • 00:20:15.290 --> 00:20:19.270
  • INTO YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:20:19.290 --> 00:20:22.110
  • THE GOSPEL IS THAT JESUS HAS ALREADY RECEIVED YOU
  • 00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:26.100
  • INTO HIS LIFE, INTO HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
  • 00:20:26.120 --> 00:20:29.090
  • FATHER, INTO HIS ANOINTING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:20:29.110 --> 00:20:32.150
  • THIS IS THE GOOD NEWS. YOU WERE INCLUDED.
  • 00:20:32.170 --> 00:20:34.280
  • NOW, YOU MAY NOT KNOW IT.
  • 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:35.290
  • IN FACT, YOU MAY NOT EVEN WANT IT.
  • 00:20:36.010 --> 00:20:37.290
  • SORRY, IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHO YOU ARE, AND YOU MAY
  • 00:20:38.010 --> 00:20:41.230
  • FIGHT IT FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY, BUT IT DOESN'T
  • 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:44.250
  • MAKE IT ANY LESS TRUE.
  • 00:20:44.270 --> 00:20:45.270
  • OUR SALVATION IS NOT DEPENDENT ON US.
  • 00:20:45.290 --> 00:20:50.060
  • IT'S NOT OF WORKS, LET ANYBODY BOAST?
  • 00:20:50.080 --> 00:20:52.130
  • NO. SALVATION IS UNCONDITIONAL.
  • 00:20:52.150 --> 00:20:56.040
  • SALVATION HAS THREE DIMENSIONS TO IT, AND YOU
  • 00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:59.200
  • CAN FIND THIS ALL OVER THE NEW TESTAMENT.
  • 00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:02.150
  • ONE, WE WERE SAVED AND INCLUDED IN CHRIST BEFORE
  • 00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:06.090
  • THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:21:06.110 --> 00:21:07.270
  • WE WERE CREATED IN CHRIST.
  • 00:21:07.290 --> 00:21:10.010
  • IN TIME, WE WERE INCLUDED IN JESUS.
  • 00:21:10.030 --> 00:21:13.030
  • WHEN HE DIED, WE ALL DIED.
  • 00:21:13.050 --> 00:21:15.030
  • WHEN HE ROSE, WE ALL ROSE.
  • 00:21:15.050 --> 00:21:17.270
  • AND NOW WE'RE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF THE
  • 00:21:17.290 --> 00:21:20.140
  • OUTWORKING OF THAT SALVATION; SOZO, THE
  • 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:24.000
  • HEALING OF OUR HEARTS AND MINDS, BRINGING US BACK
  • 00:21:24.020 --> 00:21:28.110
  • TOGETHER AND INTEGRATING US AS HUMAN BEINGS.
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:30.230
  • THIS IS A STATEMENT THAT IS TRUE AND WORTHY OF FULL
  • 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:34.050
  • ACCEPTANCE, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
  • 00:21:34.070 --> 00:21:37.290
  • OF ALL MANKIND, OF ALL MANKIND.
  • 00:21:38.010 --> 00:21:41.090
  • HE SAID, "IF I BE LIFTED UP, I WILL DRAW --" OLD
  • 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:44.030
  • ENGLISH, I WILL DRAG "-- ALL MEN TO MYSELF."
  • 00:21:44.050 --> 00:21:50.210
  • HE DID IT.
  • 00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:52.090
  • HE DID IT WITHOUT YOUR VOTE, THANK GOD.
  • 00:21:52.110 --> 00:21:56.030
  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
  • 00:21:56.050 --> 00:22:02.060
  • - RECENTLY, I WAS SITTING IN SOMEONE'S HOME,
  • 00:22:16.060 --> 00:22:18.040
  • AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION GOING ON.
  • 00:22:18.060 --> 00:22:21.230
  • A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S A THEOLOGIAN WAS THERE,
  • 00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:24.030
  • AND THE FAMILY WAS THERE.
  • 00:22:24.050 --> 00:22:25.120
  • AN 11 YEAR-OLD SON WAS WORKING ON HOMEWORK WHILE
  • 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:28.120
  • WE TALKED, AND AT SOME POINT, THE CONVERSATION
  • 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:33.200
  • MERGED, ISSUES OF CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT, AND THIS
  • 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:38.150
  • 11 YEAR-OLD PIPES UP AND SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:42.010
  • I GO TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I
  • 00:22:42.030 --> 00:22:46.150
  • LEARNED A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT GOD WHEN I
  • 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:48.120
  • WAS IN CATHOLIC SCHOOL.
  • 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:50.120
  • BUT AS I GOT OLDER, THEY TOLD ME ALL THE BAD THINGS
  • 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:53.170
  • ABOUT GOD, AND IT GOT REALLY CONFUSING.
  • 00:22:53.190 --> 00:22:55.170
  • NOW, CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE A CORNER ON RAISING
  • 00:22:55.190 --> 00:23:01.220
  • THINGS UP THAT ARE CONFUSING, TRUST ME.
  • 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.130
  • RELIGION HAS BEEN AN IMPEDIMENT FOR A LONG
  • 00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:07.030
  • TIME, AND HERE'S A WORD THAT WE TALK ABOUT AS IF
  • 00:23:07.050 --> 00:23:10.180
  • WE REMEMBER WHAT IT ORIGINALLY MEANT,
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  • THE WORD "CHURCH".
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  • CHURCH HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT AN INSTITUTION.
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  • IT'S ABOUT THAT PLACE DOWN ON MAIN AND FIRST.
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  • IT'S NOT THE BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING.
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  • THE CHURCH IS A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP
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  • CORPORATELY A WOMAN THAT GOD IS IN LOVE WITH, THAT
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  • JESUS IS IN LOVE WITH, THAT JESUS INTENDS TO
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  • ALWAYS HAVE A FACE-TO-FACE RELATIONSHIP WITH.
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  • IT'S A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF THE
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  • BRICK AND MORTAR, REGARDLESS OF THE WALLS.
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  • WE ARE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF AUTHENTICITY,
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  • OF TRUTH, OF CREATIVITY, OF KINDNESS, OF GOODNESS,
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  • OF GRACE.
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  • THAT'S THE CHURCH. I LOVE SACRED SPACE.
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  • I LOVE ARTISTIC EXPRESSIONS OF FAITH, BUT
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  • SACRED SPACE, THE CHURCH BUILDING, THE TEMPLE, THE
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  • MOSQUE, THE CHAPEL, SACRED SPACE IS TO REMIND US THAT
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  • ALL SPACE IS SACRED.
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  • THERE IS NO BREAK ANYMORE BETWEEN THE SECULAR AND
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  • THE SPIRITUAL.
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  • JESUS HAS ABSOLUTELY UNIFIED THE UNIVERSE.
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  • EVERYTHING IS SPIRITUAL.
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  • EVERYTHING IS HUMAN. EVERYTHING MATTERS.
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  • IF ANYTHING MATTERS, EVERYTHING MATTERS.
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  • SO HERE'S MY QUESTION: HOW WOULD YOU
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  • DESCRIBE THE GOSPEL? THE GOOD NEWS?
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  • YOU'VE HEARD HOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
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  • WHAT WOULD BE GOOD NEWS TO YOU?
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  • HERE'S ANOTHER TWO- PARTER: DO YOU THINK THAT
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  • SEPARATION IS A LIE LIKE I DO?
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  • AND IF THERE IS NO SEPARATION, HOW WOULD THAT
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  • CHANGE THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE?
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  • THAT GOD WHO LOVES YOU IS
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  • CONSTANTLY PRESENT WITH YOU.
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  • HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE THINGS FOR YOU?
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  • WE'LL TALK AGAIN ANOTHER TIME.
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