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The Cave | Episode 15

Watch The Cave | Episode 15
July 13, 2018
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Restoring the Shack

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The Cave | Episode 15

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  • - PAUL YOUNG: MY NAME IS PAUL YOUNG, AND I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE SHACK .
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  • I WANT TO INVITE YOU ON AN ADVENTURE WITH ME AND
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  • WITH THE BOOK.
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  • A LOT OF YOU HAVE READ IT.
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  • YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT AND YOU
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • THIS IS A BOOK THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE RELATIONSHIP
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  • WITH THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, QUESTIONS THAT WE
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  • HAVE ABOUT HURT AND LOSS AND GRIEF, QUESTIONS
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  • ABOUT WONDER AND BEAUTY AND JOY.
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  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE A LIFE OF FAITH?
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  • WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT DEATH?
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  • WHY DO TRAGIC THINGS HAPPEN TO US?
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  • THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE,
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  • AND I WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME WITH ME.
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  • THIS IS AN INVITATION.
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  • - PAUL YOUNG: THIS IS FROM THE CONVERSATION
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  • BETWEEN SOPHIA IN THE CAVE AND MACKENZIE.
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  • THEN SHE SAID WITH FINALITY, "IF YOU ARE
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  • ABLE TO JUDGE GOD SO EASILY YOU CERTAINLY CAN
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  • JUDGE THE WORLD."
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  • AGAIN, SHE SPOKE WITHOUT EMOTION.
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  • "YOU MUST CHOOSE TWO OF YOUR CHILDREN TO SPEND
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  • ETERNITY IN GOD'S NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH,
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  • BUT ONLY TWO.
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  • "WHAT?" HE ERUPTED TURNING TO HER IN DISBELIEF.
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  • "AND YOU MUST CHOOSE THREE OF YOUR CHILDREN TO
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  • SPEND ETERNITY IN HELL."
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  • MACK COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT HE WAS HEARING AND
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  • STARTED TO PANIC.
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  • "MACKENZIE?"
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  • HER VOICE WAS CALM AND WONDERFUL JUST AS HE
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  • FIRST HEARD IT.
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  • "I'M ONLY ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU
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  • BELIEVE GOD DOES."
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  • HE KNOWS EVERY PERSON EVER CONCEIVED, AND HE
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  • KNOWS THEM SO MUCH DEEPER AND CLEARER THAN YOU WILL
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  • EVER KNOW YOUR OWN CHILDREN.
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  • HE LOVES EACH ONE ACCORDING TO HIS
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  • KNOWLEDGE OF THE BEING OF THAT SON OR DAUGHTER.
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  • YOU BELIEVE THAT HE WILL CONDEMN MOST OF THEM TO
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  • AN ETERNITY OF TORMENT AWAY FROM HIS PRESENCE
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  • AND APART FROM HIS LOVE.
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  • IS THAT NOT TRUE?
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  • HMM. LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL.
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  • MACKENZIE IS IN A SITUATION WHERE SOPHIA,
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  • THE WISDOM OF GOD, IS PUSHING HIM TO A PLACE
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  • WHERE HE HAS TO BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING
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  • DEEPER ABOUT THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF GOD.
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • - CAR LEAVES IN 20 SECONDS!
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  • - WE GOTTA GO. LET'S GO.
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  • - DO YOU THINK THE PRINCESS SHOULD HAVE A
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  • RED DRESS LIKE MINE?
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  • - RED, IT IS.
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  • - WHERE'S MISSY?
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  • - MISSY?
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  • - WHERE'S MISSY?
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  • - SORRY, MACK. THEY HAVEN'T SEEN HER.
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  • - MISSY! MISSY!
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  • - I WAS SCARED, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
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  • - GROUND TEAMS FOUND A TRUCK IN THE MOUNTAINS.
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  • - I'M REALLY SORRY, MR. PHILLIPS.
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  • [ SCREAMS ]
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  • - NEED SOME HELP OVER THERE?
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  • - I'M OKAY.
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  • - HOW ABOUT SOME DINNER TONIGHT?
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  • - MAYBE NEXT TIME.
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  • [ SCREAMS ]
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  • - I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY.
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  • - WE'VE LOST SO MUCH ALREADY.
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  • I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU, TOO.
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  • - A LETTER SHOWED UP IN MY MAILBOX WITH NO TRACKS
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  • IN THE SNOW.
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  • - YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT GOING BACK THERE,
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  • ARE YOU?
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  • - I GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
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  • - YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
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  • - IT'S CRAZY, BUT THIS IS ALL I GOT.
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  • - I GOT A FIRE GOING INSIDE IF YOU WANT TO WARM UP.
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  • - MACKENZIE ALLEN PHILLIPS.
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  • I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
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  • - DO I KNOW YOU?
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  • - NOT VERY WELL, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
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  • - THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
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  • - ARE YOU STILL HAVING A HARD TIME BELIEVING
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  • THIS IS REAL?
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  • - WHY DID YOU BRING ME HERE?
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  • - THERE'S NO EASY ANSWER THAT WILL TAKE YOUR PAIN AWAY.
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  • - WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU?
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  • - I NEVER LEFT YOU.
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  • I NEVER LEFT MISSY.
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  • AIN'T IT JUST LIKE A TEAR ...
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  • - YOU WANT ME TO FORGIVE HIM?
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  • I WANT HIM TO HURT LIKE HE HURT ME.
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  • - YOU WANT THE PROMISE OF A PAIN FREE LIFE.
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  • - YEAH.
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  • - THERE ISN'T ONE.
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  • - YOU CAN DO THIS.
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  • - I CAN'T.
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  • - ON YOUR OWN YOU CAN'T.
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  • - THIS IS YOUR FLYING LESSON.
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME ...
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  • WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY HOME...
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  • - I BELIEVE YOU.
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME...
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • - WE NOW COME TO THE CAVE.
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  • JESUS AND MACKENZIE HAVE JUST WALKED TO THE OTHER
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  • SIDE OF THE LAKE, AND JESUS HAS ENCOURAGED
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  • MACKENZIE TO TAKE THIS PATH.
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  • HE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO, BUT
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  • HE'S GOING TO COME FACE-TO-FACE WITH SOPHIA,
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  • THE WISDOM OF GOD.
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  • THE GREEK WORD FOR WISDOM IS SOPHIA, AND WHEN PAUL
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  • THE APOSTLE TALKS ABOUT HER, HE SAYS THE BEAUTY
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  • OF GOD'S WISDOM.
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  • THAT'S WHY SHE'S BEAUTIFUL.
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  • WHEN WE'RE LOST IN OUR CONFUSION, IN OUR
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  • DARKNESS, IN OUR DESPAIR, AND WE CATCH A GLIMPSE OF
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  • THE WISDOM OF GOD, IT CAN BE CONFRONTING,
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  • BUT IT'S ATTRACTIVE.
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  • AND SHE'S BEAUTIFUL.
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  • THE SETTING IS A MASSIVE CONFRONTATION WITHIN
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  • MACKENZIE THAT'S GOING TO CHALLENGE WHAT HE THINKS
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  • ABOUT THE NATURE OF GOD, ABOUT JUDGMENT, ABOUT
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  • WRATH, ABOUT HELL.
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  • AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU WANT A LARGER
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  • CONVERSATION AND YOU WANT TO ENGAGE IT ABOUT HELL,
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  • I WOULD RECOMMEND BRAD JERSAK'S BOOK, "HER GATES
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  • WILL NEVER BE SHUT".
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  • HE LOOKS OVER THE CENTURIES AT THE
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  • CONVERSATION, AND WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, I
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  • WANT TO PUT IN A PLUG FOR DOUBT AND
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  • FOR UNCERTAINTY.
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  • UNCERTAINTY IS HOW RELATIONSHIPS GROW.
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  • QUESTIONS, I LOVE THOSE.
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  • REMEMBER DOUBTING THOMAS, THE PATRON SAINT OF
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  • PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN BELIEF
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  • AND UNBELIEF?
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  • I BELIEVE, BUT HELP MY UNBELIEF.
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  • QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
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  • YOUR QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT, AND DON'T
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  • THINK YOU HAVE TO ARRIVE AT A PLACE OF
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  • ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.
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  • PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING THESE KINDS OF THINGS FOR
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  • THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
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  • IT'S OKAY TO BE IN A JOURNEY.
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  • BEGIN WITH SOME PLACE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE
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  • AND WORK FROM THERE.
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  • A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE THINGS
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  • THAT WE DON'T KNOW OR WE DON'T BELIEVE, AND IT
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  • THROWS US OFF.
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  • REMEMBER TO STEP ON SOLID GROUND, PLACES THAT YOU
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  • HAVE A SENSE OF SURENESS AND ASSURANCE.
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  • SO HELL, HELL IS A BIG TOPIC, AND THIS
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  • CONVERSATION IS GOING TO ENGAGE WITH MACKENZIE
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  • AROUND THAT QUESTION.
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  • LET'S START WITH SOMETHING WHAT I THINK IS
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  • FAIRLY EASY ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE REVOLUTIONARY
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  • FOR SOME OF US.
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  • HELL IS NOT SEPARATION.
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  • LET'S START WITH THAT.
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  • NOW, MOST OF US THAT GREW UP IN THE TRADITIONAL
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  • FUNDAMENTALIST FRAME OF REFERENCE WE'RE TOLD THAT
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  • HELL WAS SEPARATION, BUT LET ME THROW OUT AN
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  • ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT.
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  • HELL IS EITHER AN UNCREATED THING OR A
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  • CREATED THING, AND TO USE UNCREATED THING DOESN'T
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  • EVEN MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE, BUT IT'S EITHER
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  • UNCREATED OR CREATED, AGREED?
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  • I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
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  • IF IT'S UNCREATED, THEN IT'S AN EXPRESSION OF GOD
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  • BECAUSE GOD IS THE ONLY UNCREATED, SO IT CAN'T BE
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  • SEPARATION BECAUSE IT IS GOD.
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  • IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF GOD.
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  • BUT WHAT IF IT'S CREATED?
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  • WHAT'S A CREATED PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE?
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  • WELL, WHAT ABOUT ROMANS CHAPTER 8.
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  • READ THE LAST TWO VERSES.
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  • IT'S A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT CANNOT
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  • SEPARATE FROM YOU THE LOVE OF GOD, AND TWO OF
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  • THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT LIST ARE
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  • ANYTHING FUTURE.
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  • IT ALSO SAYS ANYTHING PRESENT.
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  • AND IT SAYS ANY CREATED THING.
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  • THERE IS NO CREATED THING THAT CAN SEPARATE YOU
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  • FROM THE LOVE OF GOD.
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  • THAT WOULD INCLUDE YOU.
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  • THAT WOULD INCLUDE ME.
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  • THAT WOULD INCLUDE HELL, SO WHATEVER HELL IS, IT'S
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  • NOT SEPARATION.
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  • WE HAVE THIS METAPHOR THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE WITH
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  • REGARD TO HELL AS FIRE, AND FIRE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
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  • WHEN GOD SHOWS UP TO MOSES, HE SHOWS UP AS A
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  • BURNING BUSH, A FIRE THAT IS THERE BUT NOT
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  • CONSUMING THE BUSH.
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  • IT'S NOT BURNING ANYTHING ALIVE.
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  • IT IS GOD'S PRESENCE.
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  • IT'S A FIRE.
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  • GOD IS DESCRIBED AS A CONSUMING FIRE.
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  • RESTORATION AND CLEANSING ARE FIRES.
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  • WHEN JESUS TALKS ABOUT HELL, HE ALWAYS QUOTES
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  • JEREMIAH, AND IF YOU READ JEREMIAH, JEREMIAH TALKS
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  • ABOUT THE LAKE OF FIRE, TALKS ABOUT GEHENNA WHICH
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  • IS THE GARBAGE DUMP OUTSIDE OF THE WALLS OF
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  • JERUSALEM, AND HE TALKS ABOUT THE PLACE OF CLEANSING.
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  • IT WAS IN THAT PLACE THAT BABIES WERE SACRIFICED
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  • THROUGH FIRE TO MOLECH.
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  • IT BECOMES A SYMBOL OF CLEANSING BECAUSE ONE OF
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  • THE KINGS WENT AND CLEANSED OUT THAT ENTIRE
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  • PLACE BECAUSE THIS SACRIFICE OF BABIES IS
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  • ABSOLUTELY ABHORRENT.
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  • IT'S ABHORRENT TO US.
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  • IT'S ABHORRENT TO GOD, AND THERE WAS A MASSIVE
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  • CLEANSING, SO JESUS IS IN THE LINE OF JEREMIAH WHEN
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  • HE TALKS ABOUT THIS PLACE.
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  • SO HELL IS NOT SEPARATION.
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  • NOW, THAT MIGHT HAVE PUSHED A FEW OF YOUR BUTTONS.
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  • I'M ABOUT TO PUSH ANOTHER ONE MAYBE.
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • - WE COME WITH CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE TRUE.
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  • DO YOU REMEMBER LIKE 15 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU
  • 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.130
  • THOUGHT YOU KNEW EVERYTHING AND WERE RIGHT
  • 00:11:22.150 --> 00:11:24.260
  • ABOUT EVERYTHING?
  • 00:11:24.280 --> 00:11:26.150
  • I REMEMBER THAT.
  • 00:11:26.170 --> 00:11:28.180
  • I'VE CHANGED A LOT IN 15 YEARS, AND I DOUBT IF
  • 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.190
  • IT'S GOING TO STOP NOW.
  • 00:11:30.210 --> 00:11:32.250
  • WE NEED TO BE OPEN TO THE PERCEPTIONS OF OTHERS, TO
  • 00:11:32.270 --> 00:11:35.180
  • THE INPUT OF OTHERS, TO THINKING ABOUT THINGS
  • 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.190
  • DIFFERENTLY, TO HAVING GREAT QUESTIONS.
  • 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:40.060
  • SO LET ME BRING UP ANOTHER ONE.
  • 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.230
  • NOW, THIS ONE IT COULD SET OFF SOME OF YOU.
  • 00:11:42.250 --> 00:11:46.160
  • PUT YOUR THINKING CAPS ON BECAUSE THIS IS
  • 00:11:46.180 --> 00:11:49.240
  • SO IMPORTANT.
  • 00:11:49.260 --> 00:11:52.200
  • I WAS AT A LUNCH, AND A FRIEND OF MINE ASKED ME
  • 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:58.030
  • WHAT I WAS WORKING ON, AND I SAID, "WELL, I'M
  • 00:11:58.050 --> 00:12:00.230
  • WORKING ON THIS LITTLE BOOK.
  • 00:12:00.250 --> 00:12:02.220
  • IT'S CALLED "LIES WE TELL EACH OTHER ABOUT GOD"."
  • 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:06.040
  • AND THEY ASKED, "SO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE."
  • 00:12:06.060 --> 00:12:10.040
  • AND I SAID, "WELL, THAT DEATH IS BIGGER THAN LIFE.
  • 00:12:10.060 --> 00:12:14.210
  • WE SOMETIMES THINK THAT DEATH IS MORE POWERFUL
  • 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:18.000
  • THAN LIFE."
  • 00:12:18.020 --> 00:12:20.090
  • THEY SAID, "EXPLAIN."
  • 00:12:20.110 --> 00:12:21.260
  • I SAID, "OKAY. LET ME
  • 00:12:21.280 --> 00:12:24.020
  • ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF EVIL
  • 00:12:24.040 --> 00:12:27.160
  • AND THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS TO BE AROUND US."
  • 00:12:27.180 --> 00:12:31.070
  • NOW, NOT ONLY EVIL.
  • 00:12:31.090 --> 00:12:33.020
  • GOOD IS AROUND US.
  • 00:12:33.040 --> 00:12:35.020
  • WE'RE SURROUNDED BY IT, BUT EVIL IS PRESENT.
  • 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:37.070
  • THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG.
  • 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:39.170
  • WHY DOES EVIL EXIST?
  • 00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:42.170
  • AND WHY DOES GOD PUT UP WITH IT?
  • 00:12:42.190 --> 00:12:45.170
  • WELL, EVIL EXISTS BECAUSE WE BROUGHT IT TO THE TABLE.
  • 00:12:45.190 --> 00:12:50.010
  • WE'RE THE ORIGINAL PERPETRATORS.
  • 00:12:50.030 --> 00:12:51.280
  • WE'RE THE ORIGINATORS OF THINGS THAT ARE DARK AND
  • 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.000
  • WRONG AND BROKEN, AND GOD HAS SUBMITTED TO IT IN JESUS.
  • 00:12:55.020 --> 00:12:59.190
  • WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
  • 00:12:59.210 --> 00:13:03.140
  • BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO.
  • 00:13:03.160 --> 00:13:08.150
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE LOVE EXISTING WITHOUT THE
  • 00:13:08.170 --> 00:13:11.160
  • ABILITY TO SAY NO?
  • 00:13:11.180 --> 00:13:13.170
  • COERCED LOVE IS NO LOVE AT ALL.
  • 00:13:13.190 --> 00:13:15.170
  • AS SOON AS YOU TAKE AWAY MY ABILITY TO SAY NO,
  • 00:13:15.190 --> 00:13:18.030
  • YOU'VE ALSO TAKEN AWAY MY ABILITY TO SAY YES.
  • 00:13:18.050 --> 00:13:20.130
  • MY YES MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T MAKE A
  • 00:13:20.150 --> 00:13:24.030
  • NO DECLARATION.
  • 00:13:24.050 --> 00:13:26.150
  • GOD PROTECTS OUR ABILITY TO SAY NO EVEN WHEN WE
  • 00:13:26.170 --> 00:13:30.200
  • WOULD RATHER THAT GOD DID NOT.
  • 00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:33.150
  • GOD PROTECTS YOUR AND MY ABILITY TO SAY NO, AND
  • 00:13:33.170 --> 00:13:37.010
  • I'VE SAID NO PLENTY OF TIMES, AND GOD STILL
  • 00:13:37.030 --> 00:13:40.220
  • WORKS WITH ME, STILL STAYS WITH ME, STILL
  • 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.080
  • DWELLS WITHIN ME.
  • 00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:45.190
  • OUR NO IS IMPORTANT.
  • 00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:47.290
  • AND HERE'S THE QUESTION AND HERE'S THE BUTTON:
  • 00:13:48.010 --> 00:13:51.090
  • IF GOD HAS GONE TO SUCH GREAT LENGTHS TO PROTECT
  • 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:56.110
  • MY ABILITY TO SAY NO -- NOW, REMEMBER GOD IS LIFE.
  • 00:13:56.130 --> 00:14:02.030
  • IF GOD HAS GONE TO SUCH GREAT LENGTHS TO PROTECT
  • 00:14:02.050 --> 00:14:07.110
  • MY ABILITY TO SAY NO, WHY WOULD I EVEN IMAGINE THAT
  • 00:14:07.130 --> 00:14:11.120
  • DEATH HAS THE POWER TO TAKE AWAY MY ABILITY
  • 00:14:11.140 --> 00:14:15.100
  • TO SAY YES?
  • 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.270
  • WE HAVE THIS IMAGINATION THAT ONCE WE DIE IT'S OVER.
  • 00:14:17.290 --> 00:14:21.240
  • WE QUOTE, "THERE IS APPOINTED FOR A PERSON
  • 00:14:21.260 --> 00:14:25.280
  • ONCE TO DIE, AND AFTER THAT THE JUDGMENT."
  • 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.070
  • GUESS WHAT? THERE
  • 00:14:28.090 --> 00:14:30.220
  • ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORDS FOR GREEK IN THE
  • 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.110
  • JUDGMENT, AND EVERY TIME YOU FIND "DAY OF
  • 00:14:33.130 --> 00:14:35.160
  • JUDGMENT" IN THIS PARTICULAR VERSE,
  • 00:14:35.180 --> 00:14:39.250
  • JUDGMENT, THE GREEK WORD IS CRISIS.
  • 00:14:39.270 --> 00:14:42.190
  • WE GET AN ENGLISH WORD FROM THAT, CRISIS.
  • 00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:45.010
  • WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE VEIL, YOU'RE GOING TO
  • 00:14:45.030 --> 00:14:48.010
  • WALK INTO A CRISIS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME
  • 00:14:48.030 --> 00:14:50.240
  • FACE-TO-FACE WITH RELENTLESS LOVE, AND
  • 00:14:50.260 --> 00:14:52.290
  • YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT HE KNOWS THAT YOU KNOW
  • 00:14:53.010 --> 00:14:55.000
  • THAT HE KNOWS.
  • 00:14:55.020 --> 00:14:56.210
  • IT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE CRISIS.
  • 00:14:56.230 --> 00:14:58.230
  • [ MUSIC ]
  • 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:09.290
  • [ MUSIC ]
  • 00:15:09.290 --> 00:15:17.180
  • WE IMAGINE ONCE YOU DIE IT'S OVER.
  • 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.230
  • REALLY?
  • 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:22.240
  • THAT MEANS THAT LOVE AND RELATIONSHIP CANNOT EXIST
  • 00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:24.290
  • POST MORTEM.
  • 00:15:25.010 --> 00:15:26.260
  • THAT MEANS YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY MY ABILITY TO SAY NO.
  • 00:15:26.280 --> 00:15:29.130
  • THEREFORE, MY ABILITY TO SAY YES NO LONGER HAS ANY
  • 00:15:29.150 --> 00:15:31.130
  • CONSEQUENCE OR VALUE.
  • 00:15:31.150 --> 00:15:33.280
  • WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ALSO SAYS?
  • 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.090
  • THAT GOD COULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE I DIED.
  • 00:15:36.110 --> 00:15:40.240
  • THAT IS, WHY DIDN'T GOD TAKE AWAY MY ABILITY TO
  • 00:15:40.260 --> 00:15:44.100
  • SAY NO IF HE'S GOING TO JUST TAKE AWAY THAT
  • 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.000
  • ABILITY AS SOON AS I DIE?
  • 00:15:47.020 --> 00:15:49.100
  • HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?
  • 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.070
  • THAT MEANS THAT GOD IS SORT OF A TEST-TUBE
  • 00:15:51.090 --> 00:15:53.110
  • SCIENTIST, RIGHT?
  • 00:15:53.130 --> 00:15:55.160
  • HE'S GOT US IN A PETRI DISH, AND HE'S SOME KIND
  • 00:15:55.180 --> 00:15:57.180
  • OF AN ABUSIVE PERSON WHO IS SEEING HOW MUCH TERROR
  • 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:01.020
  • WE CAN CREATE IN THE LIVES OF EACH OTHER, AND
  • 00:16:01.040 --> 00:16:03.270
  • THEN HE'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR ABILITY TO SAY
  • 00:16:03.290 --> 00:16:05.250
  • YES AT THE END.
  • 00:16:05.270 --> 00:16:07.230
  • THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
  • 00:16:07.250 --> 00:16:10.050
  • WHEN I SHARED THIS, MY FRIEND GOT REALLY
  • 00:16:10.070 --> 00:16:13.110
  • DISTRAUGHT BECAUSE WE THINK EVERYTHING IS
  • 00:16:13.130 --> 00:16:16.080
  • INSIDE THIS SPACE.
  • 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:19.010
  • I SAID, "WHAT DO YOU DO WITH UNBORN BABIES?
  • 00:16:19.030 --> 00:16:21.080
  • WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE MY COUSINS
  • 00:16:21.100 --> 00:16:24.210
  • WHO WERE SCHIZOPHRENIC AND HAD MENTAL ILLNESSES,
  • 00:16:24.230 --> 00:16:27.100
  • AND THEY HAD SO MUCH DIFFICULTY DEALING WITH
  • 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.060
  • LIFE AND THE VOICES THAT THEY HEARD?"
  • 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:32.140
  • WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER HAD AN ABILITY
  • 00:16:32.160 --> 00:16:35.000
  • TO MAKE A DECISION?
  • 00:16:35.020 --> 00:16:36.290
  • WHAT DO YOU DO?
  • 00:16:37.010 --> 00:16:38.170
  • THEY'RE GOING TO BURN PERPETUALLY FOREVER IN A
  • 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:40.120
  • PLACE OF TORTURE?
  • 00:16:40.140 --> 00:16:42.180
  • HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR LITTLE BABIES AND FOR THE
  • 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:44.260
  • CHILDREN THAT I LOVE AND MY GRANDCHILDREN LET
  • 00:16:44.280 --> 00:16:47.130
  • ALONE MY ENEMY'S CHILDREN?
  • 00:16:47.150 --> 00:16:50.110
  • WE HAVE IMAGINATIONS ABOUT THIS THAT ARE
  • 00:16:50.130 --> 00:16:53.050
  • COMPLETELY OFF-BASED.
  • 00:16:53.070 --> 00:16:56.000
  • WE'VE ACCEPTED A MYTHOLOGY, AND IT'S
  • 00:16:56.020 --> 00:16:58.120
  • GROUNDED IN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW GOD.
  • 00:16:58.140 --> 00:17:01.180
  • WE DON'T TRUST THE GOODNESS OF GOD.
  • 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.290
  • WE DON'T TRUST THE CHARACTER OF GOD.
  • 00:17:04.010 --> 00:17:06.200
  • MACKENZIE RUNS INTO THIS MASSIVE CONFRONTATION,
  • 00:17:06.220 --> 00:17:10.190
  • AND SOPHIA PUTS IT RIGHT BACK AT HIM.
  • 00:17:10.210 --> 00:17:14.080
  • "MACKENZIE, CHOOSE TWO OF YOUR CHILDREN TO SPEND
  • 00:17:14.100 --> 00:17:19.280
  • ETERNITY WITH GOD IN THE NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH
  • 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.140
  • AND THREE TO SPEND ETERNITY IN TORMENT."
  • 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.210
  • AND MACKENZIE COULDN'T DO IT.
  • 00:17:25.230 --> 00:17:27.190
  • AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IN THAT CONFLICT IS TO
  • 00:17:27.210 --> 00:17:30.090
  • TAKE GOD OUT OF SOME ARBITRARY, DISTANT,
  • 00:17:30.110 --> 00:17:34.050
  • SCIENTIFIC MODE AND RIGHT INTO OUR HUMANITY IN JESUS.
  • 00:17:34.070 --> 00:17:37.100
  • HOW COULD WE DO THIS?
  • 00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:40.000
  • [ MUSIC ]
  • 00:17:40.020 --> 00:17:51.220
  • [ MUSIC ]
  • 00:17:51.220 --> 00:17:59.090
  • - THINK ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:17:59.110 --> 00:18:02.240
  • THE LOVE THAT GOD HAS FOR YOU, THE LOVE THAT I HAVE
  • 00:18:02.260 --> 00:18:05.230
  • FOR MY CHILDREN IS UNCONDITIONAL.
  • 00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:09.200
  • THERE IS NOTHING ANY OF THEM COULD EVER DO THAT
  • 00:18:09.220 --> 00:18:12.050
  • WOULD STOP THEM BEING MY SON OR MY DAUGHTER.
  • 00:18:12.070 --> 00:18:17.010
  • I MEAN, THEY COULD EVEN GO THROUGH THE LEGAL
  • 00:18:17.030 --> 00:18:19.000
  • ACTIVITIES OF CHANGING THEIR NAME, BUT IT
  • 00:18:19.020 --> 00:18:22.120
  • WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT I LOVE THEM.
  • 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:24.200
  • LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL.
  • 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:27.100
  • BUT RELATIONSHIP, BECAUSE IT IS RESPECTFUL FOR THE
  • 00:18:27.120 --> 00:18:30.210
  • OTHER IS, BY NECESSITY, CONDITIONAL.
  • 00:18:30.230 --> 00:18:33.090
  • IT MATTERS THE CHOICE THAT MY SON OR DAUGHTER
  • 00:18:33.110 --> 00:18:36.060
  • MAKES WITH REGARD TO ME.
  • 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:39.080
  • NOW, THIS IS NOT TRUE, BUT SAY THAT ONE OF MY
  • 00:18:39.100 --> 00:18:42.110
  • SONS BEGAN TO BE ABUSIVE TOWARDS ONE OF
  • 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:47.250
  • MY GRANDCHILDREN.
  • 00:18:47.270 --> 00:18:50.210
  • I WOULD MOVE HEAVEN AND EARTH TO STOP HIM, AND IT
  • 00:18:50.230 --> 00:18:54.100
  • WOULD IMPACT OUR RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:18:54.120 --> 00:18:56.240
  • NOT MY LOVE FOR HIM.
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:59.070
  • MY LOVE FOR HIM IS UNCONDITIONAL.
  • 00:18:59.090 --> 00:19:01.210
  • BUT I HAVE A RESPECT FOR MY CHILDREN.
  • 00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:05.030
  • THEY HAVE A CAPACITY TO DO INCREDIBLY GOOD
  • 00:19:05.050 --> 00:19:08.150
  • THINGS, WONDERFUL, CREATIVE, BUT THEY ALSO
  • 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:11.260
  • HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO DISASTROUS,
  • 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:14.020
  • DESTRUCTIVE THINGS.
  • 00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:15.280
  • AND THE CHOICES THEY MAKE, THE CHOICES THAT I
  • 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.040
  • MAKE ACTUALLY MATTER.
  • 00:19:18.060 --> 00:19:20.200
  • SEE, CONSEQUENCES AREN'T PUNISHMENT.
  • 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:24.030
  • CONSEQUENCES ARE THE WORKING OUT OF A HIGH
  • 00:19:24.050 --> 00:19:26.240
  • VIEW OF HUMANITY.
  • 00:19:26.260 --> 00:19:29.260
  • THAT IS YOUR CHOICES ACTUALLY MATTER.
  • 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:32.230
  • THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE IS
  • 00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:35.270
  • NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL.
  • 00:19:35.290 --> 00:19:38.030
  • IT RIPPLES OUT.
  • 00:19:38.050 --> 00:19:40.070
  • YOUR CHOICE TO HOLD A GRUDGE, TO HOLD A
  • 00:19:40.090 --> 00:19:43.210
  • BITTERNESS, TO NOT FORGIVE, THOSE CHOICES
  • 00:19:43.230 --> 00:19:47.260
  • RIPPLE OUT BECAUSE YOU MATTER, AND THE IMPACT ON
  • 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:51.070
  • RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE
  • 00:19:51.090 --> 00:19:53.260
  • CONDITIONAL IS HUGE.
  • 00:19:53.280 --> 00:19:57.020
  • YOUR CHOICE TO PRAY, YOUR CHOICE TO FORGIVE, YOUR
  • 00:19:57.040 --> 00:20:00.050
  • CHOICE TO ACT IN KINDNESS AGAINST SOMEONE THAT HAS
  • 00:20:00.070 --> 00:20:03.120
  • BEEN HURTFUL, YOUR CHOICE TO LET GO OF AN ACTION
  • 00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:09.000
  • THAT SOMEONE HAS DONE THAT HAS SO HURT YOU IT
  • 00:20:09.020 --> 00:20:11.190
  • RIPPLES OUT.
  • 00:20:11.210 --> 00:20:14.030
  • IT MATTERS.
  • 00:20:14.050 --> 00:20:16.140
  • [ MUSIC ]
  • 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:26.190
  • [ MUSIC ]
  • 00:20:26.190 --> 00:20:34.060
  • - SO WHAT IS THIS FIRE?
  • 00:20:34.080 --> 00:20:36.160
  • GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE, BUT WHAT IF THIS FIRE HAS
  • 00:20:36.180 --> 00:20:39.130
  • A RESTORATIVE INTENT?
  • 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:42.000
  • WHAT IF THIS FIRE IS FOR US AND NOT AGAINST US?
  • 00:20:42.020 --> 00:20:46.130
  • AND HERE I STAND WITH GEORGE MACDONALD.
  • 00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:48.250
  • HE'S THE PASTOR, THEOLOGIAN WHO LED
  • 00:20:48.270 --> 00:20:52.040
  • C. S. LEWIS INTO A DEEPER ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF JESUS
  • 00:20:52.060 --> 00:20:56.010
  • IN HIS LIFE, AND HE WRITES IN "UNSPOKEN SERMONS",
  • 00:20:56.030 --> 00:20:59.250
  • IF YOU TRUST THE NATURE OF THIS GOD, YOU WILL RUN
  • 00:20:59.270 --> 00:21:04.070
  • TO GOD WITH YOUR ARMS WIDE OPEN, AND YOU WILL
  • 00:21:04.090 --> 00:21:07.120
  • SAY, COME ON, JUDGE ME TO THE CORE AND BURN OUT OF
  • 00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:09.270
  • ME EVERYTHING THAT KEEPS ME FROM BEING FULLY FREE
  • 00:21:09.290 --> 00:21:13.020
  • AND FULLY ALIVE.
  • 00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:14.230
  • THIS IS A GOD WHO INTENDS TO FREE US AS HUMAN BEINGS.
  • 00:21:14.250 --> 00:21:20.290
  • POTENTIALLY WE CAN SAY NO FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY.
  • 00:21:21.010 --> 00:21:23.280
  • THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT WE WILL NEVER NOT BE
  • 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.030
  • PURSUED BY THIS UNRELENTING AFFECTION,
  • 00:21:28.050 --> 00:21:30.290
  • THIS GOD WHO LOVES US, LOVES US AND LOVES YOU
  • 00:21:31.010 --> 00:21:38.000
  • THE WAY WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN, UNCONDITIONALLY
  • 00:21:38.020 --> 00:21:42.100
  • AND YET RESPECTS YOUR ABILITY TO SAY NO, BUT
  • 00:21:42.120 --> 00:21:46.130
  • THAT WILL NOT PREVENT HIS PURSUIT OF US.
  • 00:21:46.150 --> 00:21:48.200
  • HE IS THE HOUND OF HEAVEN.
  • 00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:50.070
  • HE IS THE ONE WHO IS AFTER US AS ANY PARENT
  • 00:21:50.090 --> 00:21:53.190
  • WILL BE AFTER THEIR CHILD.
  • 00:21:53.210 --> 00:21:55.260
  • THIS IS A GOD WHO LOVES US.
  • 00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:58.040
  • YOU SEE, THERE IS WAY MORE GOING ON INSIDE THE
  • 00:21:58.060 --> 00:22:02.190
  • CAVE THAN YOU DARED TO DREAM.
  • 00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:05.030
  • I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF
  • 00:22:05.050 --> 00:22:09.290
  • MY KIDS, AND THEY WERE SAYING, "SO GOD IS LOVE, RIGHT?"
  • 00:22:10.010 --> 00:22:14.280
  • "YES." "AND THAT WORD IN THE GREEK IS WHAT?"
  • 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.260
  • "IT'S AGAPE."
  • 00:22:18.280 --> 00:22:21.220
  • "AND AGAPE IS WHAT?"
  • 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:24.190
  • "WELL, IT'S OTHER-CENTERED,
  • 00:22:24.210 --> 00:22:26.110
  • SELF-GIVING LOVE."
  • 00:22:26.130 --> 00:22:29.080
  • IT'S UNCONDITIONAL.
  • 00:22:29.100 --> 00:22:31.050
  • GOD LOVES US WITHOUT CONDITION.
  • 00:22:31.070 --> 00:22:33.010
  • THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAT YOU COULD EVER DO OR
  • 00:22:33.030 --> 00:22:36.070
  • NOT DO THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WAY GOD LOVES YOU.
  • 00:22:36.090 --> 00:22:41.010
  • IT IS THE WAY OF GOD'S BEING TOWARDS YOU.
  • 00:22:41.030 --> 00:22:43.290
  • RELATIONSHIP IS CONDITIONAL.
  • 00:22:44.010 --> 00:22:46.110
  • YOUR CHOICES MATTER.
  • 00:22:46.130 --> 00:22:48.160
  • YOUR ABILITY TO SAY NO MATTER, BUT GOD IS AGAPE,
  • 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:51.140
  • GOD IS AGAPE.
  • 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.240
  • MY SON SAYS, "SO I'M READING 1 CORINTHIANS
  • 00:22:53.260 --> 00:22:59.110
  • CHAPTER 13, AND IT'S GOT THIS BIG LIST OF LOVE.
  • 00:22:59.130 --> 00:23:01.120
  • LOVE IS THIS.
  • 00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:03.010
  • LOVE IS THIS.
  • 00:23:03.030 --> 00:23:04.110
  • LOVE IS NOT THIS.
  • 00:23:04.130 --> 00:23:06.170
  • SO COULD I PUT GOD IN THERE FOR LOVE?
  • 00:23:06.190 --> 00:23:08.120
  • BECAUSE IT'S AGAPE, RIGHT?"
  • 00:23:08.140 --> 00:23:10.020
  • I SAID, "YES, ABSOLUTELY."
  • 00:23:10.040 --> 00:23:12.000
  • AND HE SAID, "SO LOVE IS KIND, AND LOVE IS PATIENT.
  • 00:23:12.020 --> 00:23:15.140
  • DAD, LOVE DOES NOT KEEP A RECORD OF WRONGS."
  • 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:22.020
  • HE'S RIGHT.
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  • LOVE DOES NOT KEEP A RECORD OF WRONGS, BUT A
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  • LOT OF THE WAY WE LOOK AT GOD, THE WRATH OF GOD,
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  • THE JUSTICE OF GOD IS DEPENDENT ON GOD KEEPING
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  • A RECORD OF WRONGS.
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  • HOW DOES IT CHANGE WHEN WE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND
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  • THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THIS LOVE THAT IS
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  • SO MUCH BIGGER AND GREATER AND MORE
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  • WONDERFUL THAN WE COULD HAVE IMAGINED.
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  • GOD IS GOOD, BUT GOD IS A FIERY FURY THAT IS
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  • OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING THAT HURTS THE ONE HE
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  • LOVES, AND THAT ONE IS YOU.
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  • SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A GOD WHO IS LOVE,
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  • NOT JUST DOES LOVING THINGS, BUT IS LOVE BY NATURE.
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  • AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR MY WORLD?
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  • NOT JUST MY FRIENDS AND MY FAMILY BUT MY ENEMIES.
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  • IS THERE ANYONE IN MY WORLD THAT GOD DOES NOT LOVE?
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  • AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ME?
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  • WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION LATER.
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