Praise | October 13, 2017
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- [ MUSIC ]
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- - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT FROM DALLAS, TEXAS ...
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- - DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS: WHAT WILL WE DO IN HEAVEN FOR
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- ALL ETERNITY?
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- WILL HEAVEN BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE?
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- WILL WE KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN?
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- - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS
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- SHARES INSIGHTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT OUR
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- ETERNAL HOME.
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- - DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS: C.S. LEWIS
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- ONCE SAID, HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT THE
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- CHRISTIANS WHO ARE MOST EFFECTIVE IN THIS WORLD
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- ARE THE ONES WHO THINK MOST ABOUT THE NEXT WORLD.
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- - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: ARE YOU HEAVENLY MINDED?
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- NEXT ON PRAISE!
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- [ MUSIC ]
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- [ APPLAUSE ]
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- - MATT CROUCH: WELCOME YOU TO DALLAS, TEXAS TODAY.
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- BIG D IS THE PLACE OF PRAISE TODAY.
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- I'M GOING TO QUOTE FROM A BOOK BY ROBERT JEFFRESS,
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- NEARLY DEAD IS NOT DEAD AS MIRACLE MAX TOLD
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- INDIGO MONTOYA IN THE MOVIE THE "PRINCESS BRIDE".
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- - LAURIE CROUCH: ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
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- [ LAUGHTER ]
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- - YOUR FRIEND IS ONLY MOSTLY DEAD.
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- THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MOSTLY DEAD AND
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- ALL DEAD.
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- MOSTLY DEAD IS STILL ALIVE.
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- WITH ALL DEAD, WELL, WITH ALL DEAD, THERE'S ONLY
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- ONE THING YOU CAN DO, GO THROUGH HIS CLOTHES AND
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- LOOK FOR LOOSE CHANGE.
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- THAT IS FROM THE BOOK A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- AND ROBERT JEFFRESS, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
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- AND WHY TODAY?
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- - DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS: THAT'S AN
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- INTERESTING QUOTE TO LEAD THIS SERIES OFF ON.
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- - I GOT IT OUT OF YOUR BOOK.
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- - I KNOW.
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- [ LAUGHTER ]
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- WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BE ALL DEAD ONE DAY, BUT THE
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- GOOD NEWS IS ALL DEAD IS NOT THE END.
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- IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING SPECIALLY FOR CHRISTIANS.
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- THERE'S A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- AND YOU KNOW, MATT AND LAURIE,A LOT OF PEOPLE
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- WOULD WONDER WITH ALL THAT'S GOING ON IN THE
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- WORLD RIGHT NOW, HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES,
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- MASS SHOOTINGS, CHAOS IN WASHINGTON, NUCLEAR WAR
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- POSSIBLY WITH NORTH KOREA, WHY IN THE WORLD
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- WOULD WE WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT HEAVEN?
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- WELL, THAT KIND OF ANSWERS THE QUESTION,
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- DOESN'T IT?
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- WE NEED TO KNOW THAT GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER
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- PREPARED FOR US.
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- AND YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING I WAS TALKING
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- ON FOX LAST WEEK ABOUT THE LAS VEGAS MASSACRE,
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- AND THE HOST WAS ASKING, WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?
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- WELL, THE BIBLE NEVER ANSWERS THE WHY QUESTION
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- COMPLETELY, BUT IT DOES ADD ONE WORD TO
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- SUFFERING, AND THAT WORD IS TEMPORARY.
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- WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT
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- ALWAYS GOING TO GO THROUGH.
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- THERE IS A BETTER PLACE, THAT PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- SO THIS MESSAGE OF HEAVEN I WROTE TO BE AN
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- ENCOURAGEMENT TO PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
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- THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU'RE
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- A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, GOD HAS SOMETHING
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- BETTER FOR YOU.
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- BUT THERE'S ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS BOOK AS
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- WELL AND TO BE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
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- QUITE FRANKLY OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR AUDIENCE
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- RIGHT NOW IS SAYING WELL, MY LIFE IS JUST FINE.
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- I'M BUSY WITH WORK, TRYING TO RAISE CHILDREN,
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- TRYING TO EARN A LIVING.
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- I'VE GOT SO MUCH GOING ON IN MY WORLD WHY DO I NEED
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- TO THINK ABOUT THAT NEXT WORLD?
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- AND I'D ASK OUR VIEWERS TO JUST THINK ABOUT THIS.
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- SUPPOSE YOUR COMPANY WERE TO TELL YOU THAT IN SIX
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- MONTHS THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE YOU TO A FOREIGN
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- COUNTRY THAT YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT?
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- SAY LONDON, ENGLAND, AND YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING
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- TO MOVE THERE IN SIX MONTHS, AND FURTHERMORE,
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- IT WAS GOING TO BE A PERMANENT MOVE.
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- YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LONDON, ENGLAND.
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- DON'T YOU THINK YOU WOULD SPEND THE NEXT SIX MONTHS
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- LEARNING EVERYTHING YOU COULD ABOUT THAT NEW
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- LOCATION AND MAKING EVERY PREPARATION TO MOVE THERE?
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- - WOW.
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- - WELL, THE FACT IS IF WE'RE CHRISTIANS WE'RE
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- ALL GOING TO MAKE A MOVE ONE DAY TO A PERMANENT,
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- REAL LOCATION, TO A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- IT ONLY MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING WE
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- COULD NOW TO LEARN ABOUT THAT PLACE AND TO PREPARE
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- FOR THE MOVE.
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- AND THAT'S WHAT I DO IN A BOOK, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- I HOPE PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT HEAVEN BY ANSWERING THE
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- TEN MOST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE
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- ABOUT HEAVEN, AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
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- FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY.
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- - THE FIRST QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND WITH
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- ME IS, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO HEAVEN?
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- - WELL, THE ALTERNATIVE IS NOT JUST DEAD.
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- IT'S HELL.
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- THE BIBLE SAYS HELL IS A REAL PLACE.
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- IN FACT, INTERESTINGLY, MATT AND LAURIE, OF THE
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- 1330 VERSES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT RECORD THE
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- WORDS OF JESUS, 13% OF THEM DEAL WITH THE
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- REALITY OF HELL.
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- IN FACT, IF YOU DO THE WORD COUNT, JESUS TALKED
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- MORE ABOUT HELL THAN HE DID ABOUT HEAVEN.
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- - MATT CROUCH: WOW.
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- - AND HE SAID IT IS A PLACE OF PHYSICAL TORMENT.
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- HE SAID IT IS A PLACE OF WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
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- THE WORST THING ABOUT HELL IS IT'S AN
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- IRREVOCABLE DESTINATION.
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- ONCE YOU CLOSURE EYES HERE ON EARTH AND WAKE UP
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- IN HEAVEN OR HELL, YOU NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO
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- CHANGE YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY.
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- AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE OBJECT TO THE IDEA OF HELL.
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- THEY'RE REPULSED.
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- THEY'RE OFFENDED BY THE IDEA OF HELL, AND I SAY
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- TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT RESPONSE, REMEMBER, JUST
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- ABOUT EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT HELL CAME FROM THE
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- LIPS OF JESUS HIMSELF.
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- - WOW.
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- - AND IF JESUS WAS WRONG ABOUT HELL, THEN HE'S
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- WRONG ABOUT HEAVEN.
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- THE FACT IS BOTH HEAVEN AND HELL ARE REAL
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- POSSIBLE DESTINATIONS.
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- - WOW. TWO THINGS.
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- UM, SO FAR I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IF YOU JUST
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- TUNED IN WE ARE IN A BRAND-NEW PLACE.
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- IT'S NOT HEAVEN OR HELL.
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- IT'S DALLAS, TEXAS BUT IT IS A VERY NEW --
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- - A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL THIS HEAVEN ON EARTH.
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- - NEW HOME TO US, THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW SET THAT WE
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- ARE SITTING IN. THIS IS SHOW NUMBER 1, DOCTOR JEFFRESS.
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- - I AM HONORED.
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- THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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- - THIS PROGRAM TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING
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- ABOUT A PLACE, AND IT IS HEAVEN.
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- SO FIRST OF ALL, TWO THINGS, THANK YOU FOR
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- MAKING A QUOTE OUT OF PRINCESS BRIDE IN YOUR
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- BOOK [ LAUGHTER ] BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT MOVIE.
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- AND YOUR TIE IS LOVELY.
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- - OH, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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- - I HAVE A QUESTION.
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- - YEP.
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- - WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE NOT THINK ABOUT HEAVEN?
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- A LOT OF PEOPLE -- WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT MUCH.
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- - WE DON'T.
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- AND YOU KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD THIS, LAURIE,
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- PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SO
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- HEAVENLY MINDED THEY'RE NO EARTHLY GOOD.
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- I'VE NEVER MET A PERSON LIKE THAT.
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- - YEAH.
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- - I'VE NEVER MET A PERSON WHO THINKS TOO
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- MUCH ABOUT HEAVEN.
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- C.S. LEWIS SAID, I QUOTED IN THE OPEN, HE SAID, THE
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- PROBLEM WITH MOST CHRISTIANS IS NOT THAT WE
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- THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT HEAVEN BUT WE THINK ABOUT
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- IT TOO LITTLE.
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- IN FACT, HE SAID IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY YOU'LL
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- DISCOVER THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE BIGGEST
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- DIFFERENCE IN THIS WORLD WERE THOSE WHO THOUGHT
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- MOST ABOUT THE NEXT WORLD, AND THEN HE HAD
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- HIS FAMOUS LINE, AIM AT HEAVEN AND YOU GET EARTH
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- THROWN IN.
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- AIM AT EARTH AND YOU GET NEITHER.
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- - WOW.
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- - AND I THINK THE FACT IS WE GET SO CAUGHT UP IN
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- THIS WORLD WE FORGET HOW BRIEF OUR TIME IS HERE
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- ON EARTH.
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- JAMES SAYS OUR LIFE IS LIKE A VAPOR.
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- IT'S A MIST.
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- IT APPEARS A LITTLE WHILE, AND THEN IT VANISHES.
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- AND THAT'S ONE REASON TO THINK ABOUT HEAVEN
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- BECAUSE IT REMINDS US HOW BRIEF OUR TIME IS HERE ON
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- EARTH, AND HOPEFULLY MOTIVATES US TO LIVE OUR
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- LIFE AS WE SHOULD IN THESE FEW YEARS WE HAVE.
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- - WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ROBERT JEFFRESS, DOCTOR
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- ROBERT JEFFRESS, TEN SURPRISING TRUTHS ABOUT
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- YOUR ETERNAL HOME FROM THE BOOK
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- A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- THE 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
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- THIS BOOK IS JUST RECENTLY OUT, AND WE ARE
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- WELCOMING OUR GUEST TO TALK ABOUT A GREAT
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- SUBJECT TODAY, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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- OKAY. DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU PASTOR
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- THIS MONSTROUS CHURCH HERE IN THE
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- DALLAS, TEXAS AREA.
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- IT'S CALLED FIRST BAPTIST, AND YOU ARE AN
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- OFTEN FOX CONTRIBUTOR SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
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- THIS WOULDN'T BE A NORMAL SUBJECT THAT I WOULD
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- EXPECT YOU TO JUMP INTO, AND THE TIMING IS KIND OF
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- BEYOND AMAZING.
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- WHERE DID THIS BOOK COME FROM?
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- WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT?
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- WHERE WERE YOU?
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- YOU KNOW, JUST LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE CREATION
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- OF WHAT THIS WAS.
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- - WELL, YOU PROBABLY KNOW IN THE BOOK
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- CREATION PROCESS YOU HAVE TO PLAN SEVERAL YEARS
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- AHEAD BECAUSE OF THE PUBLISHING CYCLES AND SO FORTH.
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- - SURE.
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- - MY LAST I HAD WRITTEN WAS CALLED NOT ALL ROADS
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- LEAD TO HEAVEN , AND IT WAS A BOOK ABOUT THE
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- EXCLUSIVITY OF JESUS FOR SALVATION.
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- YOU KNOW, AN AMAZING STATISTIC PEW RESEARCH
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- POLL REVEALED THAT 57% OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS
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- BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO HEAVEN
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- OTHER THAN FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.
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- - WOW.
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- - 57% OF EVANGELICALS.
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- NO WONDER WE'RE NOT WINNING MORE PEOPLE TO
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- FAITH IN CHRIST.
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- SO I WROTE THAT BOOK, NOT ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEAVEN ,
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- TO REAFFIRM WHAT JESUS SAID, I AM THE WAY AND
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- THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
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- NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.
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- AND SO AFTER WRITING THAT BOOK AND IT BECAME A BEST
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- SELLER ON THE WAY TO HEAVEN, I THOUGHT IT ONLY
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- NATURAL TO FOLLOW-UP WAS OKAY, WHAT IS THIS
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- DESTINATION OF HEAVEN GOING TO BE LIKE.
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- AND FRANKLY, MATT AND LAURIE, THERE WERE SO FEW
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- BOOKS OUT THERE OR BOOKS THAT WERE BASED ON THE
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- BIBLE ABOUT HEAVEN THAT I FELT LIKE IT WOULD MEET A
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- REAL NEED, AND GOD HAS BLESSED THE BOOK.
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- I TOLD YOU OFF CAMERA IT'S BEEN OUT A MONTH,
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- AND IT'S ALREADY IN ITS THIRD PRINTING, SO IT'S
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- REALLY MEETING A NEED PEOPLE HAVE.
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- - WOW.
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- - IT'S AND AVAILABLE FROM THE 800 NUMBER THAT WILL BE UP
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- AND DOWN AS WE'RE DISCUSSING HEAVEN IS
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- AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
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- - YEAH.
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- SO FOR IT TO COME OUT THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, YOU LOOK BACK,
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- THIS IS OCTOBER 11 OR 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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- WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER THE LAST FOUR WEEKS SINCE IT
- 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:56.150
- CAME OUT, THE DEVASTATION IN JUST AMERICA ALONE HAS
- 00:09:56.170 --> 00:10:01.080
- BEEN -- YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAME FROM CALIFORNIA
- 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:02.210
- WHERE WE'RE HAVING HORRIFIC FIRES.
- 00:10:02.230 --> 00:10:04.270
- WATCHING IT FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW, THE FIRES
- 00:10:04.290 --> 00:10:09.010
- THERE IN ANAHEIM HILLS, AND JUST THE STUFF THAT'S
- 00:10:09.030 --> 00:10:12.290
- GONE ON.
- 00:10:13.010 --> 00:10:14.090
- - LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
- 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:16.040
- - OH, YEAH.
- 00:10:16.060 --> 00:10:18.100
- - THE LARGEST STORM IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
- 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.020
- THE MOST WATER.
- 00:10:20.040 --> 00:10:21.160
- SO THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE KIND OF NEEDING SOME
- 00:10:21.180 --> 00:10:25.210
- COMFORT IN ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS --
- 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:27.220
- - AND KNOWING THOSE PEOPLE, SO THERE'S THOUSANDS OF
- 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.150
- THOSE PEOPLE.
- 00:10:30.170 --> 00:10:32.020
- MY COUSIN WAS ONE THAT WAS SHOT IN THE LAS VEGAS
- 00:10:32.040 --> 00:10:34.150
- MASSACRE, AND THOSE PEOPLE -- THE PEOPLE THAT
- 00:10:34.170 --> 00:10:37.180
- ARE TOUCHED BY THAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING, YOU
- 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.070
- KNOW, WE COULD ALL MEET OUR MAKER AT ANY MOMENT.
- 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:45.230
- - SURE.
- 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:47.110
- - AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST PREVALENT ON A LOT
- 00:10:47.130 --> 00:10:49.190
- OF PEOPLE'S MIND, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE NEED
- 00:10:49.210 --> 00:10:51.110
- FOR THIS IS JUST HUGE RIGHT NOW.
- 00:10:51.130 --> 00:10:54.290
- - WELL, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING
- 00:10:55.010 --> 00:10:56.190
- REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE
- 00:10:56.210 --> 00:10:59.000
- BENEFITS OF TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN IT PUTS HUMAN
- 00:10:59.020 --> 00:11:01.290
- SUFFERING THAT WE GO THROUGH EVERY DAY
- 00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:03.260
- IN PERSPECTIVE.
- 00:11:03.280 --> 00:11:05.180
- LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE BIBLE NEVER DENIES THE
- 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.280
- REALITY OF PAIN.
- 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.170
- IT NEVER DIMINISHES IT, BUT IT DOES PUT IT
- 00:11:09.190 --> 00:11:11.290
- IN PERSPECTIVE.
- 00:11:12.010 --> 00:11:13.060
- THINK ABOUT THE APOSTLE PAUL.
- 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:14.230
- HE SAID, FOR THE MOMENTARY LIGHT
- 00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:17.100
- AFFLICTIONS WE EXPERIENCE ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO
- 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.190
- THE ETERNAL WEIGHT OF GLORY.
- 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:23.040
- YOU THINK ABOUT PAUL.
- 00:11:23.060 --> 00:11:24.080
- HE SAID, MOMENTARY LIGHT?
- 00:11:24.100 --> 00:11:26.270
- LOOK AT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH, I MEAN, BEATEN
- 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:28.080
- THREE TIMES WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE,
- 00:11:28.100 --> 00:11:30.110
- SHIPWRECKED, ULTIMATELY BEHEADED.
- 00:11:30.130 --> 00:11:32.100
- BUT HE SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HEAVEN
- 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.110
- THOSE ARE MOMENTARY AND LIGHT.
- 00:11:35.130 --> 00:11:37.110
- SOMEBODY SAID ONE DAY FROM HEAVEN WE'LL LOOK
- 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:40.190
- BACK AND SEE THAT OUR MOST HORRIFIC SUFFERING
- 00:11:40.210 --> 00:11:43.160
- IN THIS WORLD WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A ONE NIGHT
- 00:11:43.180 --> 00:11:46.270
- STAY IN A BAD MOTEL.
- 00:11:46.290 --> 00:11:48.210
- - WOW.
- 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:50.060
- - YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE THAT HEAVEN
- 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.230
- GIVES US, SOMETHING BETTER AWAITS US.
- 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:52.280
- - WOW.
- 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.000
- - WOW.
- 00:11:54.020 --> 00:11:55.090
- THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
- 00:11:55.110 --> 00:11:57.090
- - YOU KNOW, PAUL'S PERSPECTIVE ON HIS
- 00:11:57.110 --> 00:11:58.290
- TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE
- 00:11:59.010 --> 00:12:04.020
- RESIDENTS OF THE GULF COAST, THE HOUSTON AREA,
- 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:07.140
- THAT WHOLE AREA.
- 00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:09.010
- HOUSTON IS THE BIGGEST CITY THAT WAS AFFECTED,
- 00:12:09.030 --> 00:12:10.230
- BUT YOU KNOW, A STORM THAT JUST SAT THERE AND
- 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:14.010
- DUMPED 50 INCHES OF RAIN OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND
- 00:12:14.030 --> 00:12:17.040
- OTHER HURRICANES, IN PUERTO RICO THAT ARE
- 00:12:17.060 --> 00:12:21.080
- ALWAYS WATCHING TBN.
- 00:12:21.100 --> 00:12:22.240
- HELLO, PUERTO RICO.
- 00:12:22.260 --> 00:12:24.160
- HOPEFULLY YOUR POWER IS BACK ON AND THAT KIND OF
- 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:25.280
- THING, BUT IT IS TEMPORARY.
- 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.050
- - YES.
- 00:12:29.070 --> 00:12:31.190
- - IN THE LIGHT OF HEAVEN.
- 00:12:31.210 --> 00:12:32.270
- - THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:12:32.290 --> 00:12:34.050
- - SO IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND YOU -IF YOU WANT TO TRY
- 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:36.050
- TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS IN THIS LIFETIME, OFTEN
- 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:38.180
- TIMES YOU CAN'T GET THERE, BUT IF YOU ZOOM
- 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.070
- OUT AND INCLUDE ETERNITY, SOMETIMES THINGS CAN
- 00:12:40.090 --> 00:12:44.050
- CERTAINLY BE MORE BEARABLE ULTIMATELY IS
- 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:46.100
- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
- 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:47.270
- LET'S START AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
- 00:12:47.290 --> 00:12:49.170
- WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HEAVEN.
- 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:51.150
- OUR GUEST, DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS HAS JUST WRITTEN
- 00:12:51.170 --> 00:12:54.120
- THIS BOOK, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:12:54.140 --> 00:12:56.230
- LET'S START WITH THE CYNIC FOR A MOMENT.
- 00:12:56.250 --> 00:13:01.170
- - OH, DO WE HAVE TO?
- 00:13:01.190 --> 00:13:03.280
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.110
- - AT SOME POINT --
- 00:13:05.130 --> 00:13:06.090
- - I'M KIDDING.
- 00:13:06.110 --> 00:13:07.230
- - LET'S JUST BE REALISTIC HERE.
- 00:13:07.250 --> 00:13:09.120
- AT SOME POINT I THINK IN YOUR BOOK HERE SOMEWHERE,
- 00:13:09.140 --> 00:13:12.260
- YOU KNOW, YOU SAID SOMETHING VERY CUTE THAT,
- 00:13:12.280 --> 00:13:15.090
- YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN
- 00:13:15.110 --> 00:13:17.290
- IS GOING TO BE JUST ONE BIG LONG CHURCH SERVICE
- 00:13:18.010 --> 00:13:20.090
- WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS MORE PARAMOUNT TO LIKE BEING
- 00:13:20.110 --> 00:13:22.050
- IN HELL RATHER THAN HEAVEN.
- 00:13:22.070 --> 00:13:24.230
- - YOU STOLE MY BEST LINE.
- 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:27.080
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:13:27.100 --> 00:13:28.250
- YOU STOLE MY BEST LINE. THE WHOLE SHOW IT'S OVER.
- 00:13:28.270 --> 00:13:31.250
- - DO IT AGAIN.
- 00:13:31.270 --> 00:13:34.070
- - NO, I THINK IT REALLY DOES BEG THE QUESTION,
- 00:13:34.090 --> 00:13:36.250
- WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT HEAVEN?
- 00:13:36.270 --> 00:13:38.100
- LET'S FACE IT, I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
- 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.020
- HURTING, THAT ARE IN PAIN THAT ARE LONGING
- 00:13:40.040 --> 00:13:42.100
- FOR HEAVEN.
- 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.120
- THAT'S A WELCOME MESSAGE.
- 00:13:43.140 --> 00:13:44.170
- OTHER PEOPLE THINK WELL, GEE.
- 00:13:44.190 --> 00:13:45.290
- I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.
- 00:13:46.010 --> 00:13:48.120
- AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS
- 00:13:48.140 --> 00:13:49.220
- UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE GIVEN PEOPLE OF HEAVEN THAT
- 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.200
- IT'S ONE LONG NAP OR WE'RE FLOATING AROUND ON
- 00:13:51.220 --> 00:13:54.080
- A CLOUD PLUCKING THE HARP, YOU KNOW.
- 00:13:54.100 --> 00:13:56.060
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:57.290
- AND THAT'S NOT EXCITING.
- 00:13:58.010 --> 00:13:59.150
- AND LIKE YOU SAID, OR SITTING IN CHURCH 24/7.
- 00:13:59.170 --> 00:14:02.050
- - YEAH.
- 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:03.140
- - THAT IS HELL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
- 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:04.280
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.190
- - NOW, LET'S BE CLEAR TO THOSE WHO ARE COMPLAINING
- 00:14:06.210 --> 00:14:08.150
- RIGHT NOW TO TBN ABOUT WHAT I SAID --
- 00:14:08.170 --> 00:14:10.100
- - IT'S FUNNIER WHEN YOU SAID IT.
- 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.160
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:14:11.180 --> 00:14:13.100
- - I CAN SAY THAT AS A PASTOR, BUT LET'S BE CLEAR.
- 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.000
- WE ARE GOING TO WORSHIP IN HEAVEN.
- 00:14:16.020 --> 00:14:17.170
- WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE WORSHIP LIKE WE'VE NEVER
- 00:14:17.190 --> 00:14:20.140
- EXPERIENCED ON EARTH, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THAT WE'RE
- 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:23.050
- GOING TO DO IN HEAVEN.
- 00:14:23.070 --> 00:14:24.270
- WE'RE GOING TO WORK IN HEAVEN.
- 00:14:24.290 --> 00:14:26.170
- GOD HAS AN ASSIGNMENT FOR US IN THE NEW HEAVEN
- 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:28.030
- AND NEW EARTH.
- 00:14:28.050 --> 00:14:29.260
- AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
- 00:14:29.280 --> 00:14:31.060
- WHERE IS HEAVEN ANYWAY?
- 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.190
- AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO SPEND ETERNITY?
- 00:14:32.210 --> 00:14:34.060
- IT'S GOING TO BLOW SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS WHEN WE
- 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.210
- TELL THEM IN A MINUTE WHERE HEAVEN ACTUALLY IS
- 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:38.070
- GOING TO BE FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK.
- 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:40.230
- YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ENJOY OUR WORK LIKE WE'VE
- 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:42.140
- NEVER ENJOYED IT BEFORE.
- 00:14:42.160 --> 00:14:43.290
- GOD CREATED US TO BE WORKERS.
- 00:14:44.010 --> 00:14:46.280
- HE CREATED ADAM AND EVE TO BE WORKERS.
- 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.060
- HE CREATED HIM IN HIS IMAGE.
- 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:50.270
- GOD IS A WORKER.
- 00:14:50.290 --> 00:14:52.130
- HE MEANT FOR US TO FIND FULFILLMENT IN OUR WORK.
- 00:14:52.150 --> 00:14:54.100
- THE ONLY REASON WE DON'T ENJOY WORK RIGHT NOW IS
- 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.230
- BECAUSE OF THE RESULTS OF SIN AFTER THE FALL.
- 00:14:56.250 --> 00:14:59.270
- WE HAVE BODIES THAT GET TIRED, DON'T WANT TO
- 00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:01.290
- CRAWL OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK.
- 00:15:02.010 --> 00:15:04.020
- WE HAVE STRAINED RELATIONSHIPS AT WORK.
- 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:06.090
- WE HAVE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
- 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:08.060
- I BET YOU HAVE A FEW OF THOSE YOU HAVE TO DEAL
- 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:09.150
- WITH AS WELL.
- 00:15:09.170 --> 00:15:11.090
- ALL OF THOSE IMPEDIMENTS WILL BE REMOVED, AND
- 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:13.140
- WE'LL ENJOY WORK LIKE GOD INTENDED US TO ENJOY IT.
- 00:15:13.160 --> 00:15:16.140
- - YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT THIS BOOK
- 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:19.250
- I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH IT ALL MORNING AND LAST
- 00:15:19.270 --> 00:15:21.290
- NIGHT, AND I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THIS INTERVIEW IS
- 00:15:22.010 --> 00:15:26.050
- OVER SO THAT I CAN START READING.
- 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:28.210
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:30.130
- I CANNOT WAIT --
- 00:15:30.150 --> 00:15:32.000
- - THIS INTERVIEW IS NOT LIKE HELL, I HOPE.
- 00:15:32.020 --> 00:15:33.170
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:36.020
- - I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL I HAVE TIME TO GET THROUGH
- 00:15:36.040 --> 00:15:38.130
- THIS BOOK BECAUSE IT MADE ME WANT TO GO, OKAY,
- 00:15:38.150 --> 00:15:40.220
- I'M GOING TO GET-- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.180
- I WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
- 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.100
- THAT WASN'T VERY FUNNY.
- 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.110
- - THAT WAS FUNNY.
- 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:47.220
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.060
- - I LOVE THIS, BUT IT MAKES ME WANT TO STUDY
- 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.230
- THIS BOOK.
- 00:15:50.250 --> 00:15:52.100
- I WANT TO LOOK UP ALL THESE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE
- 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.140
- THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, I KNOW, AS A PASTOR.
- 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:57.080
- YOU'RE ONE OF THE BEST THEOLOGIANS THAT I THINK
- 00:15:57.100 --> 00:16:01.280
- WE KNOW, SO I KNOW YOU GOT ALL YOUR SCRIPTURE,
- 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.130
- ALL YOUR ANSWERS FROM THE BIBLE.
- 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:05.100
- - THAT'S RIGHT IS.
- 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.220
- - AM I MAKING ANY OF THIS UP?
- 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.020
- - AND I REALLY DO THINK THAT THE BIBLE IS
- 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:10.070
- SUFFICIENT TO TELL US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO
- 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.240
- KNOW ABOUT HEAVEN, AND LET'S BE CLEAR, IT
- 00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:13.190
- DOESN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HEAVEN.
- 00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:16.130
- - RIGHT.
- 00:16:16.150 --> 00:16:17.210
- - I THINK THERE'S A REASON GOD HASN'T TOLD US
- 00:16:17.230 --> 00:16:19.040
- EVERYTHING ABOUT HEAVEN.
- 00:16:19.060 --> 00:16:20.160
- I MEAN, IMAGINE A CHILD AND THE MOM PUTS DOWN A
- 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:23.040
- PLATE OF MASHED POTATOES, ROAST BEEF, AND
- 00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:25.060
- SPINACH, AND THEN OVER TO THE SIDE PUTS A DISH OF
- 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.120
- VANILLA ICE CREAM WITH CHOCOLATE SYRUP.
- 00:16:27.140 --> 00:16:31.050
- WHERE'S THAT KID GOING TO GO FIRST?
- 00:16:31.070 --> 00:16:32.220
- OR WHERE ARE THE ADULTS GOING TO GO FIRST?
- 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.190
- YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO TO THE DESSERT.
- 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:36.130
- IT WOULD BE A DISTRACTION.
- 00:16:36.150 --> 00:16:37.290
- I THINK IF WE KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS
- 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:39.170
- WAITING FOR US IN HEAVEN THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE
- 00:16:39.190 --> 00:16:41.160
- MASS SUICIDES, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THE
- 00:16:41.180 --> 00:16:43.170
- OTHER SIDE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
- 00:16:43.190 --> 00:16:46.060
- SO THE BIBLE HASN'T TOLD US EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S
- 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.260
- TOLD US ENOUGH TO WHET OUR APPETITES, AND THAT'S
- 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:50.180
- WHAT I WANT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN TO DO FOR
- 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.160
- PEOPLE, TO WHET THEIR APPETITE AND HELP THEM
- 00:16:52.180 --> 00:16:54.140
- GET PREPARED FOR THIS VERY REAL PLACE.
- 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:56.210
- - WOW.
- 00:16:56.230 --> 00:16:57.200
- - BEAUTIFUL.
- 00:16:57.220 --> 00:16:58.160
- - OKAY.
- 00:16:58.180 --> 00:16:59.220
- SO I WANT TO GET INTO ALL THE QUESTIONS.
- 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.290
- YOU TALK ABOUT NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES.
- 00:17:01.010 --> 00:17:02.140
- WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
- 00:17:02.160 --> 00:17:04.090
- [ LAUGHTER ]
- 00:17:04.110 --> 00:17:05.260
- - WELL, WE'LL TREAD CAREFULLY.
- 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:06.290
- - YES.
- 00:17:07.010 --> 00:17:08.020
- - WE'LL TREAD CAREFULLY.
- 00:17:08.040 --> 00:17:09.130
- - WE READ THAT SECTION, BY THE WAY, SO --
- 00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:10.260
- - ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, HAVE SOME PEOPLE ALREADY
- 00:17:10.280 --> 00:17:13.040
- VISITED HEAVEN?
- 00:17:13.060 --> 00:17:14.250
- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT THAT'S A VERY
- 00:17:14.270 --> 00:17:17.060
- POPULAR THING NOW, PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY'VE DIED AND
- 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.220
- THEY'VE GONE TO HEAVEN AND TAKEN A TOUR AND COME
- 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.020
- BACK AND WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT.
- 00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:24.100
- LET'S BE CLEAR, GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO.
- 00:17:24.120 --> 00:17:25.000
- - RIGHT.
- 00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:28.020
- - SO I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAPPEN.
- 00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:31.190
- I WOULD SAY THAT, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE GOT TO
- 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:34.000
- RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE BIBLE THERE IS NO EXAMPLE
- 00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:39.010
- OF A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE THAT
- 00:17:39.030 --> 00:17:40.090
- CORRESPONDS TO WHAT WE SEE TODAY, AND I KNOW THE
- 00:17:40.110 --> 00:17:42.200
- VIEWERS RIGHT NOW ARE RINGING THE TELEPHONES
- 00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:44.180
- SAYING PASTOR!
- 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.240
- PASTOR!
- 00:17:45.260 --> 00:17:46.260
- WHAT ABOUT LAZARUS?
- 00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:48.030
- WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE CASES?
- 00:17:48.050 --> 00:17:49.190
- I DIDN'T SAY GOD HASN'T RAISED PEOPLE FROM THE DEAD.
- 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:51.030
- OF COURSE HE DID THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE SCRIPTURE.
- 00:17:51.050 --> 00:17:52.190
- BUT THERE'S NOT A CASE WHERE SOMEBODY DIED LIKE
- 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:54.240
- LAZARUS, WENT TO THE OTHER SIDE AND CAME BACK
- 00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:57.100
- AND TOLD WHAT HE HAD SEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
- 00:17:57.120 --> 00:17:59.250
- - RIGHT.
- 00:17:59.270 --> 00:18:01.070
- - EVEN THE APOSTLE PAUL, II CORINTHIANS 12, HE WAS
- 00:18:01.090 --> 00:18:03.040
- LIFTED UP INTO THE THIRD HEAVEN, AND GOD TOLD HIM
- 00:18:03.060 --> 00:18:05.180
- DON'T REPEAT ONE THING THAT YOU'VE SEEN, AND HE
- 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.150
- DIDN'T DO IT.
- 00:18:07.170 --> 00:18:08.240
- - INTERESTING.
- 00:18:08.260 --> 00:18:10.090
- - SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THERE'S NOTHING
- 00:18:10.110 --> 00:18:11.140
- THAT CORRESPONDS.
- 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.240
- I THINK IN EVALUATING THESE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE
- 00:18:12.260 --> 00:18:14.270
- TO ASK OURSELVES, DO THEY CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE?
- 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:18.040
- AND SOME OF THEM DO WHERE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
- 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:20.190
- CHRISTIANS SUDDENLY SAY THEY WERE TAKEN UP INTO
- 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:23.110
- HEAVEN AND SAW A WHITE LIGHT, AND THE WHITE
- 00:18:23.130 --> 00:18:26.110
- LIGHT SAID TO THEM IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU
- 00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:30.060
- BELIEVE, YOU'RE WELCOMED INTO HEAVEN.
- 00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:31.270
- I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THOSE PEOPLE DID SEE A
- 00:18:31.290 --> 00:18:33.070
- LIGHT, BUT IT WAS SATAN WHO APPEARED --
- 00:18:33.090 --> 00:18:34.000
- - ANGEL OF LIGHT.
- 00:18:34.020 --> 00:18:35.000
- - AN ANGEL OF LIGHT, YEAH.
- 00:18:35.020 --> 00:18:36.150
- - BECAUSE THAT'S A DECEIVING MESSAGE THAT
- 00:18:36.170 --> 00:18:37.180
- EVERYBODY GETS TO HEAVEN.
- 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.060
- I THINK WHERE THE EXPERIENCES COINCIDE WITH
- 00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:42.030
- WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES YOU AT LEAST HAVE TO ASK
- 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:45.020
- THE QUESTION WELL, THEN THAT'S REDUNDANT.
- 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:47.270
- WHY DO I NEED TO SPEND $19.95 TO BUY THAT BOOK IF
- 00:18:47.290 --> 00:18:50.040
- IT'S ALREADY IN THE BIBLE.
- 00:18:50.060 --> 00:18:51.170
- BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO EVALUATE
- 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:54.060
- THE EXPERIENCES, MAKE SURE THAT THEY COINCIDE
- 00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:56.240
- WITH WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.
- 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:58.050
- - BEAUTIFUL.
- 00:18:58.070 --> 00:18:59.140
- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.050
- AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH PASTOR ROBERT
- 00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:04.030
- JEFFRESS WHO IS A PROGRAMMER RIGHT HERE ON
- 00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:06.220
- TBN EACH WEEK.
- 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.050
- IF WE ARE TRYING HIM TO YOU FOR SOME REASON, IF
- 00:19:08.070 --> 00:19:11.180
- YOU DON'T WATCH THIS NETWORK AS MUCH AS
- 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.160
- OTHERS, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE VIDEO
- 00:19:14.180 --> 00:19:16.110
- AND GET TO KNOW PASTOR ROBERT ONE MORE TIME. WATCH.
- 00:19:16.130 --> 00:19:20.000
- - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR,
- 00:19:20.020 --> 00:19:21.110
- DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS, REPORTS BREAKING NEWS
- 00:19:21.130 --> 00:19:23.140
- WITH A HEAVENLY TWIST.
- 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.050
- THE SENIOR PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN DALLAS,
- 00:19:25.070 --> 00:19:27.180
- TEXAS IS OFTEN SEEN ON MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS
- 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.080
- PROCLAIMING GOD'S WORD.
- 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:32.150
- - PASTOR JEFFRESS: THERE'S ONLY ONE GOD WHO CONTROLS
- 00:19:32.170 --> 00:19:34.150
- WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS WORLD, AND HIS NAME IS JEHOVAH
- 00:19:34.170 --> 00:19:36.290
- GOD. HE IS THE GOD OVER ALL.
- 00:19:37.010 --> 00:19:40.160
- - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DR. JEFFRESS' RADIO PROGRAM
- 00:19:40.180 --> 00:19:42.260
- IS HEARD DAILY ON OVER 900 STATIONS NATIONWIDE.
- 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:45.130
- YOU CAN ALSO SEE HIS TV PROGRAM "PATHWAY TO
- 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:48.210
- VICTORY" HERE ON TBN AND AROUND THE WORLD.
- 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:51.250
- ON TOP OF THAT, HE'S INSPIRED PEOPLE WITH OVER
- 00:19:51.270 --> 00:19:54.210
- 20 BOOKS, INCLUDING HIS LATEST,
- 00:19:54.230 --> 00:19:56.100
- "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:19:56.120 --> 00:19:58.140
- WHAT JESUS IS PREPARING FOR YOU."
- 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.000
- - PASTOR JEFFRESS: GOD UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE
- 00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:02.100
- GOING THROUGH. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE.
- 00:20:02.120 --> 00:20:04.000
- HE'S SAYING REMEMBER THIS, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE GOING
- 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:06.070
- THROUGH IS MOMENTARY COMPARED TO ETERNITY.
- 00:20:06.090 --> 00:20:11.170
- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS TALKING ABOUT
- 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:13.150
- HEAVEN RIGHT NOW ON PRAISE.
- 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:16.050
- [APPLAUSE]
- 00:20:16.070 --> 00:20:18.090
- - MATT CROUCH: WELCOME BACK TO BIG D.
- 00:20:18.110 --> 00:20:20.040
- WE ARE HERE IN BRAND-NEW STUDIOS.
- 00:20:20.060 --> 00:20:23.070
- LET ME JUST BLOW YOUR MIND.
- 00:20:23.090 --> 00:20:25.130
- GO TO THE BIG GIANT WIDE SHOT. OKAY.
- 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:27.180
- - LAURIE CROUCH: DO WE HAVE AN OLD SHOT?
- 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.200
- - WE'RE DOWN HERE, THIS LITTLE SPECK DOWN IN THE
- 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.000
- CENTER OF YOUR SCREEN WAVING. THAT'S ME.
- 00:20:32.020 --> 00:20:34.160
- WHAT AN AMAZING JOB THAT THE GUYS HAVE DONE HERE,
- 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:38.190
- AND THE GALS, AND EVERYBODY THAT'S PART OF THIS.
- 00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:41.050
- WE ARE BLOWN AWAY.
- 00:20:41.070 --> 00:20:44.080
- IT'S NOT QUITE HEAVEN, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS.
- 00:20:44.100 --> 00:20:47.220
- - IT'S NOT PURGATORY EITHER.
- 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.210
- - YEAH, SO IT'S WAY BETTER THAN IT WAS.
- 00:20:49.230 --> 00:20:52.280
- OKAY, SO A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN IS WHAT WE'RE
- 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.160
- TALKING ABOUT. 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN. CALL.
- 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:58.160
- ALL RIGHT, LET'S DIG INTO THIS.
- 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:01.120
- BY THE WAY, I LOVE THE WAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
- 00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:04.210
- ABOUT, PASTOR, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN
- 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:10.110
- HERE, AND YOU BASICALLY JUST WENT THROUGH SCRIPTURE.
- 00:21:10.130 --> 00:21:13.040
- THE BIBLE TELLS US ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT WE NEED TO
- 00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:15.150
- KNOW. AND BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE GOING THERE,
- 00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:21.010
- WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
- 00:21:21.030 --> 00:21:23.060
- SO WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS HEAVEN?
- 00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:25.180
- - THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AS I MENTIONED, I
- 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.040
- BUILT THE BOOK AROUND TEN OF THE MOST FREQUENTLY
- 00:21:28.060 --> 00:21:30.260
- ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HEAVEN THAT I'VE RECEIVED
- 00:21:30.280 --> 00:21:32.290
- IN 40 YEARS IN THE MINISTRY.
- 00:21:33.010 --> 00:21:34.250
- SO THIS BOOK ISN'T A HEAVY THEOLOGICAL BOOK,
- 00:21:34.270 --> 00:21:37.210
- ALTHOUGH IT'S BUILT AROUND SCRIPTURE.
- 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:40.280
- THIS IS A BOOK ANSWERING THE THINGS PEOPLE
- 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:42.170
- WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
- 00:21:42.190 --> 00:21:44.050
- AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ANSWER IS DO PEOPLE
- 00:21:44.070 --> 00:21:46.170
- GO IMMEDIATELY TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE?
- 00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:48.280
- DO CHRISTIANS IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE?
- 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.030
- AND THE ANSWER IS YES, IF WE DEFINE WHAT WE MEAN BY
- 00:21:52.050 --> 00:21:57.210
- HEAVEN. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN.
- 00:21:57.230 --> 00:22:00.100
- 2 CORINTHIANS 5:8 PAUL SAYS "TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY
- 00:22:00.120 --> 00:22:03.180
- IS TO BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD."
- 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.220
- THAT MEANS IF WE'RE A BELIEVER,
- 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.030
- THE MOMENT WE SHUT OUR EYES FOR THE LAST TIME HERE ON
- 00:22:07.050 --> 00:22:09.190
- EARTH, WE AWAKEN IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS.
- 00:22:09.210 --> 00:22:12.170
- THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS SOULS ASLEEP.
- 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:15.030
- WE DON'T FLOAT AROUND SOMEPLACE.
- 00:22:15.050 --> 00:22:16.250
- WE ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE WITH THE LORD.
- 00:22:16.270 --> 00:22:18.220
- WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE BENEFITS OF BEING WITH THE
- 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.280
- LORD. WHERE IS THE LORD? WE DON'T KNOW.
- 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.070
- THE BIBLE CALLS IT THE THIRD HEAVEN,
- 00:22:24.090 --> 00:22:26.030
- BUT WE IMMEDIATELY GO THERE AS CHRISTIANS.
- 00:22:26.050 --> 00:22:28.260
- BUT THAT THIRD HEAVEN IS NOT OUR FINAL DESTINATION.
- 00:22:28.280 --> 00:22:32.230
- THE BOOK OF REVELATION SAYS, REVELATION 20,
- 00:22:32.250 --> 00:22:35.170
- THAT GOD IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY,
- 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:37.110
- AFTER THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT,
- 00:22:37.130 --> 00:22:39.060
- DESTROY THIS PRESENT HEAVEN AND EARTH WITH FIRE,
- 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:41.230
- AND HE'S GOING TO CREATE A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.
- 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:45.170
- RIGHT NOW, JESUS SAID I'M IN HEAVEN PREPARING A PLACE
- 00:22:45.190 --> 00:22:49.140
- FOR YOU. THAT PLACE IS THE NEW JERUSALEM,
- 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.130
- THE HEAVENLY CITY.
- 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:54.000
- BUT JOHN SAID IN REVELATION 21,
- 00:22:54.020 --> 00:22:56.040
- AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRESENT HEAVEN AND
- 00:22:56.060 --> 00:22:58.050
- EARTH, HE SAID I LOOKED UP AND I SAW THE NEW JERUSALEM
- 00:22:58.070 --> 00:23:01.040
- COMING OUT OF HEAVEN DOWN TO EARTH.
- 00:23:01.060 --> 00:23:04.100
- AND MY POINT IS OUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION IS NOT
- 00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:07.120
- GOING TO BE FLOATING AROUND UP THERE SOMEWHERE.
- 00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:10.090
- IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE ON THIS NEW EARTH RECREATED AS
- 00:23:10.110 --> 00:23:14.150
- GOD INTENDED IT TO BE.
- 00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:16.230
- AND YOU KNOW, MATT AND LAURIE,
- 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:18.100
- THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE.
- 00:23:18.120 --> 00:23:20.040
- I COULDN'T GET EXCITED ABOUT FLOATING AROUND UP
- 00:23:20.060 --> 00:23:22.120
- THERE SOMEPLACE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.
- 00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:24.170
- THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE!
- 00:23:24.190 --> 00:23:26.060
- WE WERE MADE FOR THIS EARTH. WE'RE GONNA
- 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:27.290
- HAVE REAL BODIES, FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES.
- 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:30.120
- - FEEL GRAVITY?
- 00:23:30.140 --> 00:23:31.260
- - WE'RE GONNA FEEL -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA
- 00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:33.230
- FEEL GRAVITY OR NOT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE ON THIS
- 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:36.040
- EARTH AS GOD INTENDED IT TO BE.
- 00:23:36.060 --> 00:23:38.010
- AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE
- 00:23:38.030 --> 00:23:40.040
- ASSIGNMENTS THAT MAY EVEN MIRROR WHAT WE DID IN THIS
- 00:23:40.060 --> 00:23:43.030
- LIFE. THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK THERE'S NOT GONNA BE
- 00:23:43.050 --> 00:23:45.120
- CHRISTIAN TELEVISION IN THE NEW EARTH.
- 00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:48.120
- THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE
- 00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:50.230
- TO DO THE THINGS GOD GIFTED US TO DO IN THIS LIFE.
- 00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:54.170
- AND SO I THINK THAT'S, TO ME,
- 00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:56.110
- A LIBERATING THOUGHT TO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE
- 00:23:56.130 --> 00:23:58.210
- OUR FINAL DESTINATION RIGHT HERE.
- 00:23:58.230 --> 00:24:00.190
- - SO HEAVEN COULD BE LIKE DOING CHRISTIAN TV BUT
- 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:03.110
- WITHOUT A BUDGET CONSTRAINT. POSSIBLY THAT.
- 00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:07.180
- - THAT WOULD BE KIND OF CLOSE TO HEAVEN.
- 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.020
- - SO YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION?
- 00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:13.160
- - SO LAST NIGHT WE'RE SITTING AROUND THE TABLE,
- 00:24:13.180 --> 00:24:15.160
- ALL THE FAMILY AND A COUPLE OF FRIENDS,
- 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:17.170
- AND MY MOM IS SITTING THERE,
- 00:24:17.190 --> 00:24:19.100
- AND MATT BROUGHT UP SOMEONE WHO HAD DONE A LOT OF
- 00:24:19.120 --> 00:24:22.150
- TERRIBLE TERRIBLE THINGS AND SAID BUT WHAT IF HE HAD
- 00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:25.160
- ASKED CHRIST INTO HIS LIFE.
- 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:28.290
- - AT SOME POINT IN HIS LIFE AND
- 00:24:29.010 --> 00:24:30.150
- THEN DID BAD THINGS.
- 00:24:30.170 --> 00:24:32.120
- - AND MY MOM SAID WELL, THEN HE'LL BE IN JAIL IN HEAVEN.
- 00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:35.220
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.100
- - THAT'S ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THE BOOK.
- 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:40.120
- - I WONDER IF THERE'S A JAIL IN HEAVEN.
- 00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:43.270
- - THE BIBLE DOESN'T DESCRIBE THAT, RIGHT?
- 00:24:43.290 --> 00:24:45.250
- SO YOUR MOTHER JUST GAVE US HERESY LAST NIGHT
- 00:24:45.270 --> 00:24:48.250
- AT THE DINNER TABLE. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:24:48.270 --> 00:24:51.060
- - WE WERE ALL IN THOUGH. IT WAS GREAT FUN.
- 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:53.090
- - IT'S YOUR MOM TOO.
- 00:24:53.110 --> 00:24:55.130
- MY MOM, BECAUSE OF THE LAW, NOT MY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
- 00:24:55.150 --> 00:24:57.250
- BECAUSE OF THE LAW.
- 00:24:57.270 --> 00:24:59.100
- PASTOR JEFFRESS, FOR THOSE, LET'S RESET A SECOND.
- 00:24:59.120 --> 00:25:04.160
- THIS BEAUTIFUL SCREEN ON OUR NEW SET THAT KIND OF
- 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:07.270
- LOOKS LIKE HEAVEN, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
- 00:25:07.290 --> 00:25:12.080
- A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:14.020
- AND INASMUCH AS THERE'S FUN WAYS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
- 00:25:14.040 --> 00:25:19.040
- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE MAIN
- 00:25:19.060 --> 00:25:21.170
- MOTIVATION OF YOUR BOOK?
- 00:25:21.190 --> 00:25:23.170
- WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO REALLY KIND OF GET AFTER
- 00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:28.000
- THEY'VE READ THIS BOOK?
- 00:25:28.020 --> 00:25:29.200
- THEY'RE GONNA ORDER IT, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT AND
- 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:31.210
- WHO SHOULD THEY GET IT FOR?
- 00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:33.220
- WHAT'S THE REAL POINT HERE?
- 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.120
- - WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A BOOK OF ENCOURAGEMENT.
- 00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:38.210
- PEOPLE MAY BE GOING THROUGH A CRISIS IN THEIR LIFE
- 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:42.140
- RIGHT NOW, THEY MAY KNOW SOMEBODY WHO IS,
- 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.190
- IT'S A GREAT BOOK OF COMFORT FOR
- 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:46.050
- THOSE WHO KNOW CHRIST.
- 00:25:46.070 --> 00:25:47.260
- BUT SECONDLY, IT'S A GREAT WITNESSING TOOL FOR THOSE
- 00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:50.030
- WHO DON'T KNOW CHRIST, TO REMIND THEM THAT THERE'S
- 00:25:50.050 --> 00:25:52.260
- MORE TO LIFE THAN THIS LIFE.
- 00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:54.220
- AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I COULD SAY THIS BOOK
- 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.200
- CAN DO FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT YET CHRISTIANS IS TO
- 00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:59.160
- HELP THEM PREPARE FOR THAT PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:02.010
- AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO
- 00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:03.230
- PREPARE FOR HEAVEN.
- 00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:05.050
- I ANSWER THE QUESTION IN THE LAST CHAPTER: WHAT CAN
- 00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:07.110
- I DO TO PREPARE FOR MY JOURNEY FOR HEAVEN?
- 00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:09.240
- MINIMIZING REGRETS, GETTING YOUR AFFAIRS ON EARTH IN
- 00:26:09.260 --> 00:26:12.250
- ORDER. SOME PRACTICAL THINGS.
- 00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:15.000
- BUT GO BACK TO THE IMAGE OF MOVING TO A FOREIGN
- 00:26:15.020 --> 00:26:18.030
- COUNTRY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY,
- 00:26:18.050 --> 00:26:20.160
- THERE'S ONE THING YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AND THAT
- 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:23.030
- IS A PROPER PASSPORT.
- 00:26:23.050 --> 00:26:25.090
- WITHOUT THE RIGHT PASSPORT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO
- 00:26:25.110 --> 00:26:27.150
- THAT NEW COUNTRY YOU'RE TRYING TO GO INTO.
- 00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:30.030
- AND IT'S THE SAME WAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT
- 00:26:30.050 --> 00:26:32.020
- TO GO TO HEAVEN.
- 00:26:32.040 --> 00:26:33.170
- WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE RIGHT SPIRITUAL PASSPORT.
- 00:26:33.190 --> 00:26:36.210
- I'M ASKED ALL THE TIME, ARE BUDDHISTS GONNA BE IN
- 00:26:36.230 --> 00:26:40.040
- HEAVEN? ARE MUSLIMS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
- 00:26:40.060 --> 00:26:41.270
- ARE JEWS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
- 00:26:41.290 --> 00:26:43.110
- ARE CATHOLICS OR BAPTISTS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
- 00:26:43.130 --> 00:26:46.030
- AND I ALWAYS SAY THE SAME THING,
- 00:26:46.050 --> 00:26:48.010
- NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN IN A GROUP.
- 00:26:48.030 --> 00:26:50.010
- NOBODY. NOBODY GOES TO HELL IN A GROUP.
- 00:26:50.030 --> 00:26:52.160
- WE GO ONE-BY-ONE BASED ON OUR RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.
- 00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:56.060
- AND THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE IN HEAVEN
- 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:59.020
- ARE FORGIVEN PEOPLE.
- 00:26:59.040 --> 00:27:01.000
- PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT SPIRITUAL PASSPORT THAT IS
- 00:27:01.020 --> 00:27:03.070
- STAMPED FORGIVEN BY JESUS CHRIST.
- 00:27:03.090 --> 00:27:07.040
- AND THAT'S WHY JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY,
- 00:27:07.060 --> 00:27:08.240
- THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
- 00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:10.030
- NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.
- 00:27:10.050 --> 00:27:12.120
- SO I WANT THIS TO BE A GREAT WITNESS TO
- 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:14.040
- NON-CHRISTIANS, BUT FOR CHRISTIANS,
- 00:27:14.060 --> 00:27:16.280
- THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOOK IS YOU NEED TO START PREPARING
- 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.240
- FOR HEAVEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, MATT AND LAURIE,
- 00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:21.250
- HERE'S THE PARADOX.
- 00:27:21.270 --> 00:27:23.200
- AS BRIEF AS LIFE IS HERE ON EARTH COMPARED TO THE
- 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:27.150
- ETERNALITY OF HEAVEN, HOW WE SPEND THESE FEW YEARS ON
- 00:27:27.170 --> 00:27:30.260
- EARTH DETERMINES THE KIND OF HEAVEN WE'RE
- 00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:33.090
- GOING TO EXPERIENCE.
- 00:27:33.110 --> 00:27:34.250
- I SAY IN THE BOOK WHAT WE DO ON EARTH REVERBERATES
- 00:27:34.270 --> 00:27:38.140
- IN THE HALLS OF HEAVEN FOREVER.
- 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.250
- - WOW.
- 00:27:40.270 --> 00:27:41.280
- - WOW. IT REALLY DOES MATTER.
- 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.200
- - IT DOES AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAY WANT TO TALK
- 00:27:43.220 --> 00:27:45.210
- ABOUT IS HEAVEN GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY?
- 00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:48.180
- BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IN THE BOOK.
- 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.010
- - LET'S GET TO THAT.
- 00:27:51.030 --> 00:27:52.210
- I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN IN A
- 00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:55.090
- GROUP OR HELL IN A GROUP.
- 00:27:55.110 --> 00:27:56.240
- - OR FAMILY.
- 00:27:56.260 --> 00:27:57.290
- - MY DAD USED TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
- 00:27:58.010 --> 00:27:59.150
- HE SAID SMOKING DOESN'T SEND YOU TO HELL,
- 00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:01.150
- BUT IT JUST MAKES YOU SMELL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
- 00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.230
- I'M NOT SURE WHY I SAID THAT.
- 00:28:04.250 --> 00:28:07.150
- AND SO OKAY, NEXT QUESTION.
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- BIG QUESTION FOR THE VIEWERS.
- 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:14.070
- YOU JUST SAID IT. WHERE ARE WE GOING?
- 00:28:14.090 --> 00:28:16.080
- - IS HEAVEN GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY?
- 00:28:16.100 --> 00:28:18.210
- AND THE ANSWER IS NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
- 00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:20.290
- - MATT CROUCH: REALLY?
- 00:28:21.010 --> 00:28:22.110
- - AND PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE THINK OF HEAVEN AS A
- 00:28:22.130 --> 00:28:24.160
- SANCTIFIED FORM OF SOCIALISM.
- 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.210
- WE ALL GET THE SAME SIZE HOUSE,
- 00:28:26.230 --> 00:28:28.170
- SAME PLOT OF LAND AND SO FORTH.
- 00:28:28.190 --> 00:28:30.100
- THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT REWARDS IN HEAVEN.
- 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:34.000
- THE BIBLE SAYS IN 2 CORINTHIANS 5,
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- ALL OF US WHO ARE CHRISTIANS,
- 00:28:36.050 --> 00:28:38.000
- 2 CORINTHIANS 5:10, WE MUST ALL APPEAR BEFORE THE
- 00:28:38.020 --> 00:28:40.200
- JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST THAT EACH ONE OF US MAY BE
- 00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:43.220
- REWARDED FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE BODY,
- 00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.080
- WHETHER IT BE GOOD, OR THE GREEK WORD IS WORTHLESS,
- 00:28:46.100 --> 00:28:49.220
- VALUELESS, BAD, WORTHLESS.
- 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.020
- AND I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
- 00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:53.190
- OUR GOOD WORKS ARE ABSOLUTELY USELESS IN
- 00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:58.040
- SECURING OUR PLACE IN HEAVEN.
- 00:28:58.060 --> 00:29:00.050
- THAT'S BY THE GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST.
- 00:29:00.070 --> 00:29:02.060
- BUT THE GOOD WORKS WE DO AFTER WE ARE SAVED HAVE A
- 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:05.190
- GREAT DEAL TO DO WITH THE KIND OF HEAVEN
- 00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:07.090
- THAT WE EXPERIENCE.
- 00:29:07.110 --> 00:29:09.000
- AND I TALK ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH IN THIS CHAPTER
- 00:29:09.020 --> 00:29:11.080
- ABOUT WHAT THESE REWARDS ARE.
- 00:29:11.100 --> 00:29:13.050
- PAUL COMPARES IT IN 1 CORINTHIANS 3,
- 00:29:13.070 --> 00:29:15.150
- HE SAYS OUR LIVES WILL GO THROUGH THE FIRE OF GOD'S
- 00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:18.020
- JUDGMENT, AND IF WE HAVE LIVES THAT ARE BUILT AROUND
- 00:29:18.040 --> 00:29:21.090
- ETERNAL THINGS, THEY COUNT AS GOLD,
- 00:29:21.110 --> 00:29:23.160
- SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONES; BUT IF OUR LIFE IS DEEMED
- 00:29:23.180 --> 00:29:27.140
- TO BE WOOD, HAY AND STUBBLE, IF IT BURNS UP,
- 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.080
- WE'LL BE SAVED THOUGH AS BY FIRE,
- 00:29:30.100 --> 00:29:33.080
- AND WE WILL SUFFER LOSS.
- 00:29:33.100 --> 00:29:35.140
- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY WAIT A MINUTE, SUFFER LOSS?
- 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.190
- ARE YOU TELLING ME IT'S POSSIBLE WE'RE GONNA HAVE
- 00:29:38.210 --> 00:29:40.170
- REGRETS IN HEAVEN? YES.
- 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:43.020
- I THINK AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, WHEN WE
- 00:29:43.040 --> 00:29:45.050
- SEE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN OURS HAD WE BEEN MORE
- 00:29:45.070 --> 00:29:47.250
- FAITHFUL TO CHRIST, THERE WILL BE A MEASURE OF REGRET.
- 00:29:47.270 --> 00:29:50.280
- PEOPLE SAY HOW CAN THAT BE?
- 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.180
- HOW CAN YOU BE REGRETTING AND BE JOYFUL AT THE SAME
- 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.020
- TIME? I LIKE TO USE THIS ILLUSTRATION.
- 00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:57.060
- JUST IMAGINE, MATT AND LAURIE,
- 00:29:57.080 --> 00:29:59.000
- YOUR INSURANCE AGENT COMES BY TO SEE YOU AND SAYS I
- 00:29:59.020 --> 00:30:01.220
- WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POLICY, AND YOUR HOME IS
- 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.010
- UNDER-INSURED BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
- 00:30:04.030 --> 00:30:07.020
- YOU OUGHT TO UP YOUR INSURANCE.
- 00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:08.160
- YOU SAY WELL, WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT.
- 00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:10.060
- THAT NIGHT YOU AWAKEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
- 00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:12.080
- YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
- 00:30:12.100 --> 00:30:14.100
- MATT, YOU GRAB LAURIE AND YOU FIND A WAY OUT,
- 00:30:14.120 --> 00:30:17.200
- AND YOU THROW A CHAIR THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW,
- 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.240
- AND YOU'RE STANDING OUT ON YOUR LAWN WATCHING YOUR
- 00:30:19.260 --> 00:30:22.040
- HOUSE GO UP IN FLAMES.
- 00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:24.080
- WHAT WILL BE YOUR EMOTION AT THAT TIME?
- 00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:26.180
- CERTAINLY JOY THAT YOU ESCAPED THE FLAMES THAT
- 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.290
- WOULD HAVE KILLED YOU, BUT DON'T YOU IMAGINE THERE
- 00:30:29.010 --> 00:30:31.050
- WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF REGRET OVER, GEE,
- 00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:33.170
- I WISH I HAD DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
- 00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:35.230
- THE BIBLE SAYS THERE'S GONNA BE THAT SAME MIXED
- 00:30:35.250 --> 00:30:38.130
- EMOTION AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST.
- 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:40.070
- JOY THAT WE MADE IT INTO HEAVEN BUT SOME REGRET AS
- 00:30:40.090 --> 00:30:43.250
- WE SEE WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OURS HAD WE
- 00:30:43.270 --> 00:30:45.190
- BEEN MORE FAITHFUL.
- 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.090
- HERE'S THE MESSAGE OF HOPE RIGHT NOW TO OUR VIEWERS.
- 00:30:47.110 --> 00:30:50.100
- RIGHT NOW, IF YOU THINK YOUR LIFE WILL BE JUDGED TO
- 00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:53.060
- BE WOOD, HAY AND STUBBLE, WORTHLESS IN THE SIGHT OF
- 00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:55.150
- GOD, YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR LIFE.
- 00:30:55.170 --> 00:30:58.160
- YOU CAN START PREPARING RIGHT NOW FOR THAT PLACE
- 00:30:58.180 --> 00:31:01.140
- CALLED HEAVEN, BUILDING YOUR LIFE AROUND THOSE
- 00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.270
- THINGS THAT COUNT FOR ETERNITY.
- 00:31:03.290 --> 00:31:05.270
- WHEN YOU GIVE TO YOUR CHURCH,
- 00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:07.160
- WHEN YOU GIVE TO TBN, WHEN YOU SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH
- 00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:10.220
- AN UNBELIEVER, YOU'RE DOING THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY
- 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.100
- WILL MAKE AN ETERNAL DIFFERENCE.
- 00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:15.030
- - SO THAT JUST MAKES SO MUCH SENSE BECAUSE IF WE
- 00:31:15.050 --> 00:31:21.080
- THINK ABOUT SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP OUR EYES
- 00:31:21.100 --> 00:31:23.210
- ON HEAVEN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO, RIGHT?
- 00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:25.260
- WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK FORWARD,
- 00:31:25.280 --> 00:31:27.090
- LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING.
- 00:31:27.110 --> 00:31:29.040
- BUT TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT MAKES ME WANT
- 00:31:29.060 --> 00:31:33.100
- TO BE A BETTER PERSON DOWN HERE. SO MAYBE THAT'S THE
- 00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:36.270
- WHOLE REASON WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT--
- 00:31:36.290 --> 00:31:39.240
- - LAURIE, I CALL IT DEVELOPING THE "HERE/THERE" MENTALITY.
- 00:31:39.260 --> 00:31:43.160
- AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE IMAGE OF THE PERSON WHO
- 00:31:43.180 --> 00:31:45.280
- KNOWS HE'S GONNA BE MAKING A MOVE IN SIX MONTHS.
- 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.110
- WELL, HE'S GOT RESPONSIBILITIES TO FINISH
- 00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.170
- HERE ON EARTH IN THIS LOCATION AND DO WELL,
- 00:31:50.190 --> 00:31:53.220
- WHILE HE'S PREPARING FOR THE NEXT PLACE.
- 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.180
- WE'RE REALLY CITIZENS OF BOTH PLACES.
- 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.140
- WE'RE RESIDENTS OF EARTH AND CITIZENS IN HEAVEN.
- 00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.210
- IT'S NOT EITHER/OR. WE HAVE TO DO BOTH WELL.
- 00:32:00.230 --> 00:32:03.170
- AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE PARADOX.
- 00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:05.120
- HOW WE SPEND THESE FEW YEARS REALLY DOES MAKE AN
- 00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:08.060
- ETERNAL DIFFERENCE IN THE KIND OF HEAVEN THAT WE'RE
- 00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:11.190
- GOING TO EXPERIENCE.
- 00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:13.120
- - WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN" WITH
- 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.130
- PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS.
- 00:32:15.150 --> 00:32:18.070
- WE'VE GOT A CLIP WE'RE GONNA GO TO RIGHT NOW.
- 00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:21.010
- NORMALLY HE'S NOT USUALLY SITTING ON THE COUCH WITH
- 00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:23.190
- US. HE'S USUALLY IN THIS BIG GIANT CHURCH CALLED
- 00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.220
- FIRST BAPTIST. WATCH THIS.
- 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.230
- - PASTOR JEFFRESS: WE CAN'T BE IN TWO LOCATIONS
- 00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:29.240
- AT ONCE. WE THINK THIS WORLD IS OUR HOME.
- 00:32:29.260 --> 00:32:32.270
- IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT.
- 00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:34.240
- IT IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
- 00:32:34.260 --> 00:32:37.090
- YES, WE HAVE PEOPLE WE LIKE AND WE LOVE HERE.
- 00:32:37.110 --> 00:32:40.020
- YES, GOD HAS GIVEN US AN ASSIGNMENT HERE ON EARTH
- 00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:42.200
- THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BUT IT'S TEMPORARY.
- 00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:45.180
- THIS IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
- 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.130
- AND AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO BE HERE,
- 00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:50.240
- WE CONTINUE NOT TO BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
- 00:32:50.260 --> 00:32:53.070
- THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.
- 00:32:53.090 --> 00:32:54.180
- BUT LOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS IN VERSE 8.
- 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.070
- WE ARE OF GOOD COURAGE, I SAY,
- 00:32:56.090 --> 00:32:58.030
- AND PREFER RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND TO
- 00:32:58.050 --> 00:33:02.200
- BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
- 00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:05.200
- THE TENSE THIS IS IN SUGGESTS A FOREVER
- 00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:09.060
- COMPLETED ACTION IN THE PAST.
- 00:33:09.080 --> 00:33:11.280
- WHAT HE IS SAYING IS I PREFER TO BE ONCE FOR ALL
- 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.150
- ABSENT FROM THE BODY SO THAT I CAN BE ONCE FOR ALL
- 00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:20.060
- AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
- 00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:23.070
- - PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS.
- 00:33:23.270 --> 00:33:25.140
- THAT WAS FROM FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
- 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.050
- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN IN THIS SEGMENT OF THE
- 00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:30.130
- PRAISE PROGRAM FROM BIG D.
- 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:33.130
- AND WE WELCOME YOU.
- 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:34.270
- IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE THIS SET IS,
- 00:33:34.290 --> 00:33:37.110
- THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW LOCATION--
- 00:33:37.130 --> 00:33:39.070
- - YOUR NEW STUDIO IN DALLAS.
- 00:33:39.090 --> 00:33:41.040
- - NOT QUITE HEAVEN BUT IT IS AMAZING.
- 00:33:41.060 --> 00:33:44.110
- SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BRAND-NEW HOME RIGHT HERE
- 00:33:44.130 --> 00:33:48.120
- IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND OUR FIRST GUEST IS
- 00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:51.040
- PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS. SO THANKS FOR BEING A PART.
- 00:33:51.060 --> 00:33:53.200
- - I'M HONORED TO BE HERE.
- 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:54.280
- - SHOW NUMBER ONE. - THANK YOU.
- 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.200
- - YEAH, SO WHAT WE WERE TALKING DURING THE BREAK
- 00:33:56.220 --> 00:34:01.170
- THERE JUST A SECOND, AND YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT
- 00:34:01.190 --> 00:34:05.260
- ARE WE GONNA BE KNOWN IN HEAVEN KIND OF LIKE WE ARE?
- 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:10.050
- ARE YOU GONNA BE PASTOR ROBERT?
- 00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:12.010
- ARE WE GONNA BE MATT AND LAURIE?
- 00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:14.140
- THE MARRIAGE THING, ARE WE GONNA BE MARRIED IN HEAVEN?
- 00:34:14.160 --> 00:34:16.270
- ALL THAT.
- 00:34:16.290 --> 00:34:18.140
- - BECAUSE WE WANT TO.
- 00:34:18.160 --> 00:34:19.190
- - HOW DO YOU SORT ALL THAT STUFF OUT?
- 00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:21.200
- - RIGHT? IS IT JUST ME?
- 00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:24.010
- - QUICK MATT.
- 00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:25.290
- - IS IT JUST ME?
- 00:34:26.010 --> 00:34:27.170
- - YES, DEAR. YES, DEAR. OF COURSE.
- 00:34:27.190 --> 00:34:31.150
- - NEVER MIND. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:35.060
- - WELL, AWAY FROM THAT FOR A MOMENT,
- 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:37.210
- BACK TO THE QUESTION.
- 00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:40.010
- I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST MYTHS ABOUT HEAVEN
- 00:34:40.030 --> 00:34:42.170
- THAT WHEN WE DIE WE BECOME SOMEBODY ELSE IN HEAVEN.
- 00:34:42.190 --> 00:34:45.200
- NO, IT'S NOT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO GOES TO HEAVEN.
- 00:34:45.220 --> 00:34:47.080
- WE'RE THE ONES WHO GO TO HEAVEN.
- 00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:49.090
- THERE'S A CONTINUUM OF OUR LIVES THAT BEGINS NOW AND
- 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:52.040
- CONTINUES THROUGH ETERNITY.
- 00:34:52.060 --> 00:34:54.000
- FOR EXAMPLE, WE RETAIN OUR SAME NAMES IN HEAVEN.
- 00:34:54.020 --> 00:34:56.270
- GOD MAY ADD AN ADDITIONAL NEW NAME LIKE HE DID FOR
- 00:34:56.290 --> 00:35:00.030
- PETER AND OTHERS BUT WE RETAIN OUR SAME NAMES.
- 00:35:00.050 --> 00:35:02.120
- YOU SAY HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
- 00:35:02.140 --> 00:35:03.250
- REMEMBER WHEN MOSES AND ELIJAH RETURNED TO BE WITH
- 00:35:03.270 --> 00:35:06.150
- JESUS ON THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION?
- 00:35:06.170 --> 00:35:08.170
- THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THEIR NAMES TO BURT AND ERNIE.
- 00:35:08.190 --> 00:35:10.210
- IT WAS STILL MOSES AND ELIJAH WHEN THEY CAME BACK.
- 00:35:10.230 --> 00:35:13.170
- THEY WERE THE SAME PEOPLE.
- 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:15.130
- - I'M SURE THEY WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
- 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.120
- - SECONDLY, OUR BODIES.
- 00:35:17.140 --> 00:35:19.190
- WE'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN.
- 00:35:19.210 --> 00:35:22.140
- YES, WE'VE GOT NEW RESURRECTION BODIES.
- 00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:24.160
- IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR NEW BODIES ARE GONNA BE
- 00:35:24.180 --> 00:35:26.160
- LIKE, LOOK AT JESUS' RESURRECTION BODY.
- 00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:29.160
- COLOSSIANS ONE SAYS HIS BODY WAS A PROTOTYPE.
- 00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:32.250
- IT WASN'T A ONE-TIME-ONLY BODY.
- 00:35:32.270 --> 00:35:35.020
- IT WAS A PROTOTYPE OF ALL OF US WHO ARE GONNA BE
- 00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:37.240
- RAISED FROM THE DEAD ONE DAY.
- 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:39.040
- JESUS' DISCIPLES RECOGNIZED HIM.
- 00:35:39.060 --> 00:35:41.130
- HE HAD FLESH AND BLOOD.
- 00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:43.060
- NO, THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM AT FIRST ALL THE TIME.
- 00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:45.030
- THEY DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE HIM FRANKLY ,
- 00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:47.130
- BUT WHEN THEY DID LOOK AT HIM, THEY RECOGNIZED HIM.
- 00:35:47.150 --> 00:35:49.240
- WE'RE GONNA KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN.
- 00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:51.090
- I ACTUALLY BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA RETAIN A LOT OF THE
- 00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:54.050
- GIFTS AND INTERESTS THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US NOW.
- 00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:57.060
- WHY WOULD GOD WASTE TALENTS AND INTERESTS AND
- 00:35:57.080 --> 00:36:00.050
- PERSONALITIES ON US FOR THE FEW YEARS WE HAVE HERE ON
- 00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:03.070
- EARTH? I THINK WE'LL RETAIN THOSE IN HEAVEN AS WELL.
- 00:36:03.090 --> 00:36:05.250
- - I WAS ALWAYS HOPING THAT STUFF THAT YOU
- 00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:07.190
- WISH YOU COULD REALLY DO HERE THAT YOU WOULD
- 00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:10.200
- BE ABLE TO DO IN HEAVEN.
- 00:36:10.220 --> 00:36:12.100
- - THAT IS SUCH A GREAT POINT.
- 00:36:12.120 --> 00:36:14.190
- YOU KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME MOMS RIGHT NOW,
- 00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:16.190
- AND YOU'RE THINKING BOY I'M SPENDING ALL OF MY TIME
- 00:36:16.210 --> 00:36:20.140
- TAKING CARE OF MY KIDS, TAKING CARE OF THE HOME.
- 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:23.080
- I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DESIRE TO WRITE,
- 00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:26.160
- OR TO DO THIS KIND OF MINISTRY, OR TO DO THIS.
- 00:36:26.180 --> 00:36:29.080
- WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE ONLY TIME TO DO THAT?
- 00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:32.060
- I DON'T THINK GOD WASTES THOSE GIFTS
- 00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:33.220
- AND INTERESTS ON PEOPLE.
- 00:36:33.240 --> 00:36:34.290
- - I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DESIRE TO DANCE.
- 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.050
- SO MAYBE I'LL BE ABLE TO DANCE IN HEAVEN.
- 00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:40.160
- - GOD'S NOT GONNA LET YOU DANCE. I PROMISE.
- 00:36:40.180 --> 00:36:43.260
- OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT, SO I HAVE A PRECIOUS LITTLE
- 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:48.030
- DADDY UP THERE, BUT NOW I HAVE A NEW ONE TOO BECAUSE
- 00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:51.130
- MY FATHER DIED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
- 00:36:51.150 --> 00:36:53.040
- BUT MY MOM MARRIED JUST THE LOVELIEST NEXT FATHER
- 00:36:53.060 --> 00:36:58.110
- FOR ME. AND SO HOW DOES THAT WORK?
- 00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.150
- - THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT
- 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:03.210
- EXPLAINS WHY WE WON'T HAVE THE MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP
- 00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:06.110
- AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IN HEAVEN.
- 00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:08.230
- PAUL MADE IT CLEAR THE MARRIAGE COMMITMENT,
- 00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:11.180
- IT IS ABSOLVED AT DEATH.
- 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:15.070
- IT NO LONGER REMAINS IN EFFECT BECAUSE THINK OF IT,
- 00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:17.060
- IN THAT INSTANCE.
- 00:37:17.080 --> 00:37:18.270
- - WE'RE ALL SATISFIED.
- 00:37:18.290 --> 00:37:20.180
- - WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE MATE?
- 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:22.270
- - SO IT'S LIKE A BIG PARTY UP THERE?
- 00:37:22.290 --> 00:37:25.180
- - EITHER YOU CONVERT TO MORMONISM AND HAVE MULTIPLE
- 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:28.150
- SPOUSES, OR YOU KNOW THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS MAYBE
- 00:37:28.170 --> 00:37:31.280
- THERE'S NO MARRIAGE.
- 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:33.180
- THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T KNOW OUR MATE IN HEAVEN.
- 00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.270
- IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE A GREAT
- 00:37:35.290 --> 00:37:37.090
- RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
- 00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.200
- THINK ABOUT IT, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO BE WITH YOUR
- 00:37:38.220 --> 00:37:41.150
- MATE, KNOW YOUR MATE, AND TOGETHER BE ABLE TO LOOK
- 00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:44.190
- BACK ON YOUR LIFE ON EARTH AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE
- 00:37:44.210 --> 00:37:47.170
- THINGS, THE GOOD, THE BAD AND HORRIBLE,
- 00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:50.030
- AND SEE HOW GOD USED AND BROUGHT IT ALL TOGETHER TO
- 00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:53.010
- BRING YOU TO THAT POINT IN HEAVEN.
- 00:37:53.030 --> 00:37:55.040
- - I THINK YOU'RE TREADING ON SOME GROUND THERE THAT
- 00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:58.090
- WE OUGHT TO -- ABOUT THE WHOLE MATE THING.
- 00:37:58.110 --> 00:38:01.170
- I'M GETTING UNCOMFORTABLE.
- 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:03.230
- SEE, YOUR WIFE'S NOT HERE.
- 00:38:03.250 --> 00:38:05.240
- - BUT SHE'LL BE WATCHING, AND I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER
- 00:38:05.260 --> 00:38:07.260
- FOR THIS. I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THIS.
- 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.170
- - AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HIT YOU WITH SOMETHING
- 00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.200
- BECAUSE YOU'LL BE IN YOUR OWN HOME.
- 00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:15.160
- - AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT.
- 00:38:15.180 --> 00:38:16.220
- IT WILL NEVER MAKE THE AIR.
- 00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:18.120
- - YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIM THOUGH.
- 00:38:18.140 --> 00:38:19.220
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:22.110
- - SO I WANT TO MAKE A BOLD STATEMENT.
- 00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:24.190
- MAYBE YOU'LL CORRECT ME.
- 00:38:24.210 --> 00:38:26.120
- I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
- 00:38:26.140 --> 00:38:29.240
- I JUST THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
- 00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:33.050
- - I REALLY WISH YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.
- 00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:35.050
- - SEE? AT LEAST YOU LAUGHED.
- 00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:36.210
- - NO, THAT'S NOT FUNNY.
- 00:38:36.230 --> 00:38:38.110
- - THAT GOES ALONG WITH JAIL IN HEAVEN IS PROBABLY...
- 00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:40.270
- - I GOT IT. SO BASICALLY -- NOW, LET ME ASK THIS
- 00:38:40.290 --> 00:38:45.000
- ONE TECHNICAL QUESTION.
- 00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:46.200
- I MEAN, THAT'S A JOKE, YOU KNOW?
- 00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:48.200
- - IT'S A JOKE.
- 00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:50.030
- - BASICALLY, EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
- 00:38:50.050 --> 00:38:51.190
- SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
- 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:53.080
- BUT A LOST PERSON WHO'S NEVER SURRENDERED TO CHRIST --
- 00:38:53.100 --> 00:38:56.170
- - RIGHT?
- 00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:58.140
- - DOESN'T GO AND FACE GOD OR CHRIST IN ANY
- 00:38:58.160 --> 00:39:01.220
- KIND OF A JUDGMENT?
- 00:39:01.240 --> 00:39:03.110
- SO IN ESSENCE, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN?
- 00:39:03.130 --> 00:39:05.090
- SO MAYBE THAT STATEMENT'S TRUER THAN -- EVERYONE'S
- 00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:09.030
- GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN.
- 00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:10.240
- SOME ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
- 00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.220
- IS THAT ACCURATE, OR IS THAT HAPPENING SOMEWHERE ELSE?
- 00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:15.240
- - LET ME SAY THIS POLITELY. NO, IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
- 00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:18.060
- - EVERYONE TELLS HIM THAT. WOULD YOU TELL HIM?
- 00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:21.010
- TELL HIM STOP SAYING THAT.
- 00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:22.220
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:24.230
- - BEAT THAT OUT OF HIM. YOU CAN HIT HIM FOR THAT.
- 00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:26.160
- - IT'S ABOUT THIS BOOK.
- 00:39:26.180 --> 00:39:29.180
- - OKAY, SERIOUSLY, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN?
- 00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:31.040
- - JESUS TALKED ABOUT IT IN LUKE 16.
- 00:39:31.060 --> 00:39:32.260
- REMEMBER WE SAID WHEN A BELIEVER DIES, HE
- 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.160
- IMMEDIATELY GOES INTO THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
- 00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:36.140
- JESUS CALLED IT PARADISE.
- 00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:38.070
- HE SAID TODAY, YOU'LL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.
- 00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.090
- IT'S CALLED ABRAHAM'S BOSOM. IT'S ALL THE SAME PLACE.
- 00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:42.180
- IT'S WITH THE LORD, AND THAT BELIEVERS BEGINS
- 00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:45.070
- EXPERIENCING THAT IMMEDIATELY.
- 00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:47.000
- JESUS TOLD THAT STORY ABOUT THE RICH MAN AND
- 00:39:47.020 --> 00:39:49.080
- LAZARUS WHEN HE DIED.
- 00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:50.260
- LAZARUS WENT TO BE WITH THE LORD IN ABRAHAM'S BOSOM.
- 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.170
- THE UNBELIEVER, WHEN HE DIES, IMMEDIATELY BEGINS TO
- 00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:58.120
- SUFFER IN THE PLACE CALLED HADES.
- 00:39:58.140 --> 00:40:00.220
- HADES IS THE TEMPORARY WAITING PLACE OF THE UNSAVED
- 00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:03.250
- DEAD, AND JUST AS A BELIEVER IMMEDIATELY BEGINS
- 00:40:03.270 --> 00:40:06.200
- EXPERIENCING BLESSING, THE UNBELIEVER IMMEDIATELY
- 00:40:06.220 --> 00:40:09.020
- BEGINS EXPERIENCING TORMENT. REMEMBER?
- 00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:12.050
- THE RICH MAN WAS IN TORMENT. HE WAS IN AGONY.
- 00:40:12.070 --> 00:40:14.100
- SO UNBELIEVERS BEGIN SUFFERING IMMEDIATELY, BUT
- 00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:16.190
- THAT'S NOT THEIR FINAL DESTINATION, EITHER, ANY
- 00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:19.190
- MORE THAN PARADISE IS OUR FINAL DESTINATION.
- 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:22.010
- REVELATION 20 SAYS THAT AFTER THE MILLENNIUM, ALL OF
- 00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:25.150
- THE UNSAVED DEAD ARE GOING TO BE RAISED TO A JUDGMENT
- 00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:29.100
- CALLED THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.
- 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.140
- - AND WHERE IS THAT?
- 00:40:31.160 --> 00:40:33.000
- - AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE.
- 00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:34.180
- - ALL RIGHT.
- 00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:36.040
- - NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE.
- 00:40:36.060 --> 00:40:37.250
- - COULD IT BE HERE ON EARTH?
- 00:40:37.270 --> 00:40:40.040
- - REVELATION 20 INDICATES THAT HE SAW A THRONE,
- 00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:44.130
- JOHN SAW A THRONE SUSPENDED IN SPACE.
- 00:40:44.150 --> 00:40:46.130
- SO MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT, MATT,
- 00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:49.270
- IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN SPACE AT THAT POINT.
- 00:40:49.290 --> 00:40:52.020
- THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE IMMEDIATE PLACE, BUT
- 00:40:52.040 --> 00:40:54.120
- ULTIMATELY, FOR THAT JUDGMENT, IT COULD BE IN
- 00:40:54.140 --> 00:40:56.200
- SPACE AT SOME POINT.
- 00:40:56.220 --> 00:40:58.150
- BUT THAT GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT, ALL UNBELIEVERS
- 00:40:58.170 --> 00:41:01.120
- FROM THE TIME OF ADAM ON ARE RAISED.
- 00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:03.140
- AND YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING HOW THEY'RE JUDGED.
- 00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:05.270
- THE BIBLE SAYS, "AND I SAW THE BOOKS OPENED, AND THE
- 00:41:05.290 --> 00:41:08.230
- BOOK OF LIFE OPENED.
- 00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:10.110
- AND IF ANY MAN'S NAME WAS NOT FOUND IN THE BOOK OF
- 00:41:10.130 --> 00:41:12.190
- LIFE, HE WAS JUDGED BY THE THINGS IN THE BOOKS." THE
- 00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:15.190
- BOOKS ARE THE LIFT OF THOSE PERSON'S WORKS.
- 00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:18.250
- YOU SEE, A PERSON IS IN HELL BECAUSE HE SAYS, I DON'T
- 00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:21.210
- NEED THE GRACE OF GOD. I'LL BE JUDGED BY MY WORKS.
- 00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:25.080
- GOD SAYS, FINE, WE'LL JUDGE YOU ON THAT BASIS.
- 00:41:25.100 --> 00:41:28.030
- THE ONLY PROBLEM IS NO ONE'S WORKS WILL BE ENOUGH TO
- 00:41:28.050 --> 00:41:30.180
- MERIT ENTRY INTO HEAVEN.
- 00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:33.010
- AND AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE
- 00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:36.110
- WHERE SATAN, THE BEAST, THE FALSE PROPHET ALREADY ARE,
- 00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:39.240
- AND THEY ARE TORMENTED THERE DAY AND NIGHT
- 00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:43.030
- FOREVER AND EVER.
- 00:41:43.050 --> 00:41:45.010
- INTERESTINGLY, THAT WORD TRANSLATED "FOREVER AND
- 00:41:45.030 --> 00:41:48.150
- EVER", AIONAS, IS THE SAME WORD THAT'S USED TO DESCRIBE
- 00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:51.240
- THE ETERNALITY OF HEAVEN.
- 00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.040
- PEOPLE SAY, SO I JUST BELIEVE
- 00:41:54.060 --> 00:41:56.130
- UNBELIEVERS ARE DESTROYED.
- 00:41:56.150 --> 00:41:58.020
- NO, THEY SUFFER FOREVER JUST LIKE BELIEVERS
- 00:41:58.040 --> 00:41:59.230
- EXPERIENCING GOD'S BLESSING FOREVER.
- 00:41:59.250 --> 00:42:01.190
- CAN YOU IMAGINE ANYTHING WORSE THAN THAT?
- 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:03.270
- - OKAY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DON'T JUST TALK
- 00:42:03.290 --> 00:42:07.120
- ABOUT THESE PLACES.
- 00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:09.080
- LET'S MAKE SURE SOMEBODY CAN FIND THESE DESTINATIONS.
- 00:42:09.100 --> 00:42:13.250
- YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE CERTAINLY TALKING
- 00:42:13.270 --> 00:42:17.040
- ABOUT HEAVEN, AND YOU CERTAINLY GOT OUR ATTENTION
- 00:42:17.060 --> 00:42:20.030
- WITH THE LITTLE MOMENT THERE ABOUT HELL.
- 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:23.070
- AND SOMEBODY HAS BEEN MAYBE VIEWING AND, OH, THAT'S THAT
- 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:27.050
- GUY THAT'S ON FOX NEW ALL THE TIME,
- 00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:28.230
- OR THAT'S THAT GUY...
- 00:42:28.250 --> 00:42:30.070
- SO ULTIMATELY, THEY'VE TUNED IN.
- 00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:33.060
- THEY'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, AND WHAT IS THAT
- 00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:36.090
- SIMPLE PRAYER THAT SOMEBODY CAN PRAY THAT THEY CAN KNOW
- 00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:40.280
- THE JOY OF ETERNAL LIFE?
- 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.190
- PASTOR, JUST TO THE AUDIENCE HERE.
- 00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:44.220
- - YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS WE'VE ALL SINNED.
- 00:42:44.240 --> 00:42:47.120
- WE'VE ALL FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S PLAN.
- 00:42:47.140 --> 00:42:49.090
- YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED A BAPTIST PREACH TO
- 00:42:49.110 --> 00:42:51.000
- TELL YOU THAT.
- 00:42:51.020 --> 00:42:52.150
- WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S PLAN,
- 00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:55.150
- AND THE BIBLE SAYS EVERY SIN WE COMMIT MEANS THAT WE HAVE
- 00:42:55.170 --> 00:42:59.260
- A DEBT THAT WE OWE TO GOD.
- 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.040
- AND THE MORE WE SIN, THE BIGGER OUR DEBT BECOMES, AND
- 00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:05.120
- THE GREATEST CHOICE WE EVER MAKE IN LIFE IS WHO'S GOING
- 00:43:05.140 --> 00:43:08.270
- TO PAY OUR SIN DEBT FOR US?
- 00:43:08.290 --> 00:43:11.180
- WE CAN SAY, WELL, I'LL TRY TO PAY IT OFF BY MY GOOD
- 00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:13.280
- WORKS OR JOINING THE CHURCH OR GETTING BAPTIZED.
- 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.010
- IF YOU AND I TRY TO PAYOFF THAT DEBT OURSELVES, WE'LL
- 00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:20.050
- SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES AND ALL ETERNITY SEPARATED
- 00:43:20.070 --> 00:43:24.080
- FROM GOD TRYING TO PAY OFF THAT DEBT THAT CAN
- 00:43:24.100 --> 00:43:26.190
- NEVER BE PAID.
- 00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:28.110
- OR WE CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW JESUS TO PAY THAT DEBT FOR
- 00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:31.050
- US. AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
- 00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:34.140
- JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO NEVER SINNED, BUT HE
- 00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:36.290
- WILLINGLY HUNG ON THE CROSS 2000 YEARS AGO.
- 00:43:37.010 --> 00:43:40.050
- IN SOME INEXPLICABLE WAY, HE EXPERIENCED THE PUNISHMENT
- 00:43:40.070 --> 00:43:44.210
- YOU AND I DESERVE FOR OUR SINS FROM GOD.
- 00:43:44.230 --> 00:43:47.130
- AND THAT IS WHY SOME OF JESUS' FINAL WORDS ON THE
- 00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:50.000
- CROSS, JOHN 19:30, WERE THE WORDS, "IT IS FINISHED" ,
- 00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:55.170
- TETELESTAI IN GREEK, LITERALLY "PAID IN FULL".
- 00:43:55.190 --> 00:44:00.230
- AND I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU RIGHT NOW ARE READY AT THAT
- 00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:04.100
- POINT IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, I'M TIRED
- 00:44:04.120 --> 00:44:06.220
- OF TRYING TO EARN GOD'S FORGIVENESS.
- 00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:08.210
- I REALIZE I CAN'T EARN IT MYSELF.
- 00:44:08.230 --> 00:44:10.250
- I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN I SHUT MY EYES HERE ON EARTH
- 00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:14.180
- FOR THE LAST TIME, I WANT TO BE WELCOMED
- 00:44:14.200 --> 00:44:18.010
- INTO GOD'S PRESENCE.
- 00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:20.010
- HOW CAN YOU MAKE SURE? RECEIVING GOD'S PAYMENT
- 00:44:20.030 --> 00:44:22.040
- FOR YOUR SIN.
- 00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:24.000
- TRUSTING CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR IS SO SIMPLE THAT
- 00:44:24.020 --> 00:44:26.070
- EVEN A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT.
- 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:28.180
- WE HAVE TO TELL GOD WE'RE TRULY SORRY FOR OUR SIN, AND
- 00:44:28.200 --> 00:44:31.180
- THEN SECONDLY, WE MUST BELIEVE IN, TRUST IN, JESUS
- 00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:36.080
- TO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS.
- 00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:38.140
- AND RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RECEIVE THAT GIFT OF
- 00:44:38.160 --> 00:44:41.230
- FORGIVENESS, I WANT TO INVITE YOU TO DO IT,
- 00:44:41.250 --> 00:44:44.120
- WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
- 00:44:44.140 --> 00:44:46.020
- WOULD YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO,
- 00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:48.260
- WHEREVER YOU ARE, AND PRAY THIS SIMPLE PRAYER TO GOD.
- 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.020
- JUST FOLLOW ALONG.
- 00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:53.160
- PRAY THIS PRAYER IN YOUR HEART AS I PRAY IT OUT LOUD.
- 00:44:53.180 --> 00:44:56.180
- DEAR GOD, THANK YOU FOR LOVING ME.
- 00:44:56.200 --> 00:45:01.050
- I KNOW THAT I HAVE FAILED YOU IN SO MANY WAYS, AND I'M
- 00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:05.100
- TRULY SORRY FOR THE SIN IN MY LIFE.
- 00:45:05.120 --> 00:45:08.040
- BUT I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD ON THIS PROGRAM,
- 00:45:08.060 --> 00:45:11.160
- THAT YOU DON'T HATE ME. YOU LOVE ME.
- 00:45:11.180 --> 00:45:13.230
- YOU LOVE ME SO MUCH, YOU SENT YOUR SON JESUS TO DIE
- 00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:17.290
- ON THE CROSS FOR ME, TO TAKE THE PUNISHMENT
- 00:45:18.010 --> 00:45:21.100
- I DESERVE FOR MY SINS.
- 00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:23.180
- AND RIGHT NOW, I'M TRUSTING IN WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME,
- 00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:27.250
- NOT IN MY GOOD WORKS, BUT IN WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME TO
- 00:45:27.270 --> 00:45:31.050
- SAVE ME FROM MY SINS.
- 00:45:31.070 --> 00:45:34.150
- THANK YOU FOR FORGIVING ME, AND HELP ME TO SPEND THE
- 00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.240
- REST OF MY LIFE SERVING YOU.
- 00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:40.180
- AND I PRAY THAT IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
- 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:45.050
- IF YOU PRAYED THAT PRAYER WITH US RIGHT HERE ON
- 00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.240
- PRAISE, YOU'VE DONE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS YOU MUST DO TO BE
- 00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:51.120
- FORGIVEN OF YOUR SINS, AND ONE DAY, YOU CAN BE SURE
- 00:45:51.140 --> 00:45:54.280
- THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WELCOMED IN THAT
- 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.140
- PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:45:57.160 --> 00:45:58.270
- - BEAUTIFUL, WOW.
- 00:45:58.290 --> 00:46:00.190
- PASTOR JEFFRESS, THERE COULDN'T BE A MORE
- 00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:04.130
- IMPORTANT TOPIC, YOU KNOW?
- 00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:07.000
- I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE IN THAT MOMENT WHERE WE'RE
- 00:46:07.020 --> 00:46:12.200
- BEING JUDGED FOR GOOD WORKS, THE IDEA THAT WE'RE SITTING
- 00:46:12.220 --> 00:46:17.220
- HERE USING THE TELEVISION AND THE DISTRIBUTION
- 00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:24.120
- PLATFORM CALLED TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK AROUND
- 00:46:24.140 --> 00:46:27.270
- THE WORLD TO SIMPLY TALK ABOUT HEAVEN AND THEN GIVE
- 00:46:27.290 --> 00:46:30.210
- PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRAY A PRAYER, TO BE ABLE TO
- 00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:33.140
- GO TO HEAVEN, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS ABOUT AS GOOD OF A
- 00:46:33.160 --> 00:46:38.040
- WORK AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO, TO BE PUTTING YOUR TIME,
- 00:46:38.060 --> 00:46:41.090
- EFFORT AND ENERGY.
- 00:46:41.110 --> 00:46:43.100
- SO SIR, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT EXACT KIND OF RIGHT IN
- 00:46:43.120 --> 00:46:48.140
- THE MIDDLE OF THE TARGET.
- 00:46:48.160 --> 00:46:50.060
- WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
- 00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:52.040
- - THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:46:52.060 --> 00:46:53.230
- - WE HELP PEOPLE GET THERE TODAY ON THIS BROADCAST.
- 00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:56.050
- GO AHEAD BABY.
- 00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:58.140
- - I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU JUST PRAYED THAT PRAYER,
- 00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:00.160
- THERE IS A PHONE NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN,
- 00:47:00.180 --> 00:47:02.220
- NOT THAT 800 NUMBER BUT THE...
- 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:04.160
- - THE OTHER NUMBER, THE 714.
- 00:47:04.180 --> 00:47:06.050
- - 714-731-1000.
- 00:47:06.070 --> 00:47:08.000
- PRAYER PARTNERS ARE STANDING BY RIGHT NOW.
- 00:47:08.020 --> 00:47:10.080
- WE LOVE, I LOVE TO GET THAT E-MAIL EVERY DAY WITH THE
- 00:47:10.100 --> 00:47:12.290
- REDEDICATIONS AND THE PRAISES AND THE SALVATIONS
- 00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:16.140
- OF WHO'S WATCHING ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
- 00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:18.030
- AND IF YOU JUST CALL US, OR YOU CAN CALL US OR WRITE US
- 00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:21.030
- THERE AT TBN.TV, AND JUST LOVE TO HEAR
- 00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:23.130
- WHAT YOUR STORY IS.
- 00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:25.240
- - AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING A NEW
- 00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:27.220
- CHRISTIAN CAN DO, SOMEBODY WHO PRAYED THAT PRAYER, IS
- 00:47:27.240 --> 00:47:29.280
- TO TELL SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY THAT YOU DID IT.
- 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.120
- CALL THAT PHONE NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
- 00:47:32.140 --> 00:47:34.060
- THE FIRST PERSON YOU CAN TELL IS SOMEBODY FROM TBN.
- 00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:37.050
- THEY'LL BE AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO YOU.
- 00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:38.250
- - WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN, AND PASTOR JEFFRESS,
- 00:47:38.270 --> 00:47:42.070
- AGAIN, IS FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
- 00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:44.180
- HE HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT HEAVEN JUST A FEW
- 00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:46.260
- DAYS AGO. WATCH THIS.
- 00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.290
- - WHEN WE DIE, WE IMMEDIATELY BEGIN
- 00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:52.110
- EXPERIENCING EITHER GOD'S BLESSING OR GOD'S JUDGMENT.
- 00:47:52.130 --> 00:47:57.140
- AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT AT SOME FUTURE DAY, BELIEVERS
- 00:47:57.160 --> 00:48:01.190
- WILL CHANGE LOCATION FROM THE THIRD HEAVEN TO THE NEW
- 00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:04.260
- HEAVEN ON THIS NEW EARTH, AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT
- 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.160
- UNBELIEVERS WILL ALSO CHANGE LOCATIONS FROM HADES INTO
- 00:48:08.180 --> 00:48:11.270
- THE LAKE OF FIRE, A CHANGE OF LOCATION IS NOT THE SAME
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- AS A CHANGE OF ETERNAL DESTINY.
- 00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:20.210
- HEAVEN AND HELL ARE ETERNAL CHOICES.
- 00:48:20.230 --> 00:48:24.130
- [APPLAUSE]
- 00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:26.160
- - BEAUTIFUL. PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS AND US.
- 00:48:26.180 --> 00:48:29.210
- WE ARE SITTING HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
- 00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:32.150
- IF THIS LOOKS NEW, THIS SET THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS
- 00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:35.160
- BROADCAST, IT IS NEW.
- 00:48:35.180 --> 00:48:36.280
- - IT IS.
- 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.170
- - FIRST TIME I GOT TO SEE IT WAS JUST A FEW MINUTES
- 00:48:38.190 --> 00:48:40.160
- AGO, AND PASTOR, THANKS FOR BEING ON SHOW NUMBER ONE.
- 00:48:40.180 --> 00:48:43.190
- BEAUTIFUL NEW STUDIO FACILITY HERE
- 00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:46.250
- IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
- 00:48:46.270 --> 00:48:48.130
- - SAME PLACE, THOUGH, RIGHT HERE IN IRVING.
- 00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:50.060
- - YES, THE TORE UP FREEWAY OUT IN FRONT OF HERE CALLED
- 00:48:50.080 --> 00:48:53.080
- THE 183 IN BETWEEN DALLAS AND FORTWORTH, IN BETWEEN
- 00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:56.030
- THE AIRPORT AND DALLAS, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND THINK THIS
- 00:48:56.050 --> 00:49:01.060
- YOU'RE IN WASHINGTON D.C., AND YOU LOOK OVER AND SEE THE
- 00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:03.250
- WHITE HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
- 00:49:03.270 --> 00:49:05.150
- - THAT'S US. - OKAY. SO --
- 00:49:05.170 --> 00:49:08.070
- - THANK YOU DONALD AND MELANIA FOR HAVING US.
- 00:49:08.090 --> 00:49:09.290
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:13.160
- - HA HA, FUNNY.
- 00:49:13.180 --> 00:49:15.130
- OKAY, SO IS THERE GOING TO BE SHOCKED, SURPRISED PEOPLE
- 00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:20.060
- IN HEAVEN?
- 00:49:20.080 --> 00:49:22.250
- I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT MAYBE THINK, HEY, I'M A GOOD PERSON.
- 00:49:22.270 --> 00:49:25.250
- GIVE US SOME OF THE REACTIONS IN HEAVEN?
- 00:49:25.270 --> 00:49:29.110
- - IT'S GOING TO BE THE WORST SURPRISE OF ALL FOR
- 00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:31.220
- SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT WELCOMED INTO HEAVEN.
- 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:34.170
- I KIND OF GOT A TASTE OF THAT, WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE.
- 00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:38.020
- A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I WAS A YOUTH MINISTER AT THE
- 00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:41.010
- CHURCH I NOW PASTOR, FIRST BAPTIST DALLAS.
- 00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:42.290
- WE TOOK A GROUP OF 200 TEENAGERS TO THE SOVIET UNION.
- 00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:46.130
- IT WAS IN 1978, THE MIDDLE OF THE COLD WAR.
- 00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.290
- I MEAN, IT WAS OPPRESSIVE.
- 00:49:49.010 --> 00:49:50.200
- WE COULDN'T WAIT TO GET OUT OF THERE.
- 00:49:50.220 --> 00:49:52.190
- SO THE NIGHT CAME WE WERE GOING TO FLY OUT OF MOSCOW;
- 00:49:52.210 --> 00:49:54.250
- MIDNIGHT, HEADED TO ROME, AND SO I SENT ALL THE KID
- 00:49:54.270 --> 00:49:58.080
- THROUGH PASSPORT CONTROL FIRST SINCE I WAS THE
- 00:49:58.100 --> 00:50:00.070
- LEADER.
- 00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:01.220
- MY WIFE, WE HAD JUST BEEN MARRIED A YEAR, WENT THROUGH.
- 00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:03.150
- I WAS THE LAST GUY, AND SO I REACH INTO MY POCKET LOOKING
- 00:50:03.170 --> 00:50:06.000
- FOR MY PASSPORT, CAN'T FIND IT.
- 00:50:06.020 --> 00:50:09.230
- - OH, DEAR.
- 00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:11.120
- - LOOK OVER HERE. CAN'T FIND IT.
- 00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:13.040
- THEY'RE ANNOUNCING THE FLIGHT.
- 00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.200
- I TELL THE SOVIET GUARD, I SAID, THAT'S MY GROUP.
- 00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:17.140
- I'VE GOT TO LEAD THEM, AND I'M HERE, AND THEY'RE THERE.
- 00:50:17.160 --> 00:50:19.220
- HE COULDN'T HAVE CARED LESS.
- 00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:21.150
- MY WIFE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
- 00:50:21.170 --> 00:50:23.030
- SHE'S STARTING TO CRY IMAGINING ME IN A RUSSIAN
- 00:50:23.050 --> 00:50:25.210
- GULAG FOR THE REST OF OUR MARRIAGE AND IS FORTH.
- 00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:28.140
- AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, A FRIEND ON THE OTHER SIDE
- 00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:31.030
- STARTED LAUGHING.
- 00:50:31.050 --> 00:50:33.120
- HE REACHED INTO HIS POCKET AND PULLED OUT MY PASSPORT.
- 00:50:33.140 --> 00:50:37.070
- HE HAD TAKEN IT AS A JOKE.
- 00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:39.090
- - OH, COME ON!
- 00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.090
- - I THINK HE'S IN THE OTHER PLACE ONE DAY FOR DOING THAT.
- 00:50:41.110 --> 00:50:43.180
- - HE'S NOT. HE'S GOING TO BE IN JAIL IN HEAVEN.
- 00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:45.080
- - BUT YOU KNOW, I GOT A SENSE OF SOME OF THE PANIC
- 00:50:45.100 --> 00:50:48.170
- THAT JESUS TALKED ABOUT IN MATTHEW 7.
- 00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.140
- HE SAID ON THE JUDGMENT DAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
- 00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:52.270
- BEGGING GOD TO BE ALLOWED INTO HEAVEN SAYING, LORD,
- 00:50:52.290 --> 00:50:55.230
- DID WE NOT DO THIS?
- 00:50:55.250 --> 00:50:57.190
- DID WE NOT PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME?
- 00:50:57.210 --> 00:50:59.080
- DID WE NOT WORK MIRACLES?
- 00:50:59.100 --> 00:51:01.070
- I MEAN, THESE AREN'T ATHEISTS.
- 00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:04.050
- THESE AREN'T FOLLOWERS OF PAGAN RELIGIONS.
- 00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:06.200
- THESE ARE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ARGUING
- 00:51:06.220 --> 00:51:09.160
- AND BEGGING FOR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN, AND JESUS IS
- 00:51:09.180 --> 00:51:12.010
- GOING TO SAY, "DEPART FROM ME.
- 00:51:12.030 --> 00:51:14.150
- I NEVER KNEW YOU." SO IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE FOR
- 00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:17.080
- PEOPLE TO BE SURPRISED.
- 00:51:17.100 --> 00:51:19.030
- - WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
- 00:51:19.050 --> 00:51:21.120
- - WELL, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DELUDED INTO THINKING
- 00:51:21.140 --> 00:51:24.080
- THAT EITHER IT DOESN'T EXIST TO BEGIN WITH, OR SECONDLY,
- 00:51:24.100 --> 00:51:28.120
- THAT REALLY ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEAVEN, LIKE SO MANY
- 00:51:28.140 --> 00:51:31.260
- PEOPLE BELIEVE, OR THEY'RE GOOD ENOUGH TO ENTER INTO
- 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.280
- HEAVEN, AND THEY'VE REJECTED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST,
- 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.110
- OR, LAURIE, SIMPLY NEGLECTED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS.
- 00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:41.260
- AND THAT'S WHY I SAY TO OUR VIEWERS RIGHT NOW, DON'T
- 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.110
- DELAY THIS DECISION.
- 00:51:44.130 --> 00:51:46.080
- THE BIBLE SAYS TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.
- 00:51:46.100 --> 00:51:48.210
- - YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT SOME OF THE
- 00:51:48.230 --> 00:51:50.150
- PEOPLE WE SEE IN HEAVEN?
- 00:51:50.170 --> 00:51:52.060
- - YES, YES, AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE MORE SHOCKED
- 00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:54.010
- TO SEE US IN HEAVEN.
- 00:51:54.030 --> 00:51:56.080
- - THAT'S RIGHT, SURPRISE.
- 00:51:56.100 --> 00:51:57.290
- - LIKE WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BE SHOCKED TO SEE IN HEAVEN?
- 00:51:58.010 --> 00:51:59.190
- GIVE ME SOME NAMES. - OH, MY GOSH.
- 00:51:59.210 --> 00:52:01.130
- [LAUGHTER] OFF CAMERA.
- 00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:03.230
- - SO LET ME TELL YOU, HOW MUCH TIME
- 00:52:03.250 --> 00:52:08.040
- DO WE HAVE? OKAY.
- 00:52:08.060 --> 00:52:10.010
- LET ME TELL YOU, SOME FRIENDS, PASTOR ASHLEY EVANS
- 00:52:10.030 --> 00:52:13.110
- THAT PASTORS HERE IN ATLANTA, HE HAS
- 00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:18.180
- A PILE OF KIDS.
- 00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:20.060
- WHEN ONE OF THEM WAS KIND OF JUST A LITTLE GUY, MAYBE
- 00:52:20.080 --> 00:52:25.060
- EVEN TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD, WANDERED OFF AT DISNEYLAND.
- 00:52:25.080 --> 00:52:29.130
- TWO HOURS LATER, HE WASN'T FOUND,
- 00:52:29.150 --> 00:52:33.070
- SO IT WAS A FULL BLOWN...
- 00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:35.120
- - FRANTIC OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
- 00:52:35.140 --> 00:52:37.050
- - PANIC BUTTON THING.
- 00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:39.050
- THEY WERE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA AT THE TIME, SO
- 00:52:39.070 --> 00:52:41.140
- THEY'RE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, AND ONE OF THEIR
- 00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:45.020
- CHILDREN IS GONE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS.
- 00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:47.220
- THE WAY THAT THE LORD ODDLY ENOUGH CALMED HIM DOWN, OR
- 00:52:47.240 --> 00:52:52.050
- CALMED HIS SHEER PANIC DOWN, WAS THE LORD REALLY KIND OF
- 00:52:52.070 --> 00:52:56.000
- WAS ALMOST ENGAGING HIM IN A WAY AND SAID,
- 00:52:56.020 --> 00:53:01.220
- WHAT ARE YOU FEELING?
- 00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:04.090
- AND HIS THOUGHT WAS, I'M FEELING PANIC.
- 00:53:04.110 --> 00:53:08.240
- AND THE LORD SEEMED TO DESCRIBE TO HIM, THAT'S WHAT
- 00:53:08.260 --> 00:53:11.130
- I FEEL FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVERY DAY.
- 00:53:11.150 --> 00:53:14.240
- - LOST SOUL.
- 00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:17.070
- - EVERY LOST SOUL IS A PANIC FEELING.
- 00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:19.080
- SO THE IDEA THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEAVEN,
- 00:53:19.100 --> 00:53:23.050
- COULD THERE BE A MORE IMPORTANT SUBJECT?
- 00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:26.140
- THE ONLY EQUIVALENT IS HELL BECAUSE YOUR CHOICE.
- 00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:32.030
- SO TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:53:32.050 --> 00:53:37.030
- THE 800 NUMBER.
- 00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:39.060
- AND THE REASON WE PUT AN 800 NUMBER ON THE SCREEN FOR
- 00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:43.220
- THESE BOOKS IS BECAUSE IT'S A PLACE -- A PLACE.
- 00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:48.050
- IT'S NOT HEAVEN, IT'S A CALL CENTER.
- 00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:50.200
- BUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE ARE READY TO TAKE YOUR
- 00:53:50.220 --> 00:53:54.180
- CALL FOR THIS BOOK.
- 00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:56.180
- IT'S NOT LIKE HELLO, CAN I HELP YOU?
- 00:53:56.200 --> 00:53:59.090
- SO WE HAVE ORGANIZED, THE OPERATOR UNDERSTANDS WHAT
- 00:53:59.110 --> 00:54:04.060
- YOU'RE CALLING ABOUT.
- 00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:06.020
- THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY SPECIFIC NUMBERS, AND WE
- 00:54:06.040 --> 00:54:08.260
- TRY, WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU
- 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.060
- TO GET THIS BOOK.
- 00:54:12.080 --> 00:54:14.130
- A FEW LAST THINGS, ANYTHING YOU MISSED THAT YOU WANT TO
- 00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:19.000
- TALK ABOUT IN REGARD TO THIS?
- 00:54:19.020 --> 00:54:20.170
- - LOOK, LET ME JUST SAY.
- 00:54:20.190 --> 00:54:22.160
- RIGHT NOW PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND NON-CHRISTIANS,
- 00:54:22.180 --> 00:54:24.290
- ARE HUNGRY FOR MESSAGE OF HEAVEN.
- 00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:26.260
- THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING
- 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.200
- IN THE WORLD.
- 00:54:28.220 --> 00:54:30.140
- I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL
- 00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:32.040
- THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
- 00:54:32.060 --> 00:54:33.200
- THIS IS THE EASIEST, MOST NON-THREATENING WAY YOU
- 00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:36.070
- CAN SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH SOMEBODY.
- 00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:37.230
- JUST GIVE THEM THIS BOOK.
- 00:54:37.250 --> 00:54:39.130
- THEY'LL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HEAVEN.
- 00:54:39.150 --> 00:54:41.060
- THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY DIE.
- 00:54:41.080 --> 00:54:43.190
- I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET A COUPLE OF COPIES AND USE
- 00:54:43.210 --> 00:54:46.160
- IT AS A WITNESS TO SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS TO
- 00:54:46.180 --> 00:54:48.090
- KNOW CHRIST YOU SEE.
- 00:54:48.110 --> 00:54:50.030
- - DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE SIMPLE TIPS?
- 00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:52.240
- WE TALK ABOUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
- 00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:55.280
- WE SHOULD GET OUR MINDS OFF THE NASTY NOW AND
- 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.050
- LOOK FOR HEAVEN.
- 00:54:59.070 --> 00:55:01.140
- DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE TIPS FOR US TO, HOW WE
- 00:55:01.160 --> 00:55:04.230
- SHOULD DO THAT?
- 00:55:04.250 --> 00:55:06.270
- - I HAVE A DEACON FRIEND IN THE LAST CHURCH.
- 00:55:06.290 --> 00:55:08.210
- HE WAS 67 YEARS OLD.
- 00:55:08.230 --> 00:55:10.030
- I WENT INTO HIS OFFICE ONE DAY, AND ON THE BLACK
- 00:55:10.050 --> 00:55:11.160
- BOARD THERE WAS A LITTLE CHALK MARK.
- 00:55:11.180 --> 00:55:13.090
- I SAID, "WHAT ARE ALL THOSE CHALK MARKS?"
- 00:55:13.110 --> 00:55:15.160
- HE SAID, "IT'S A LIST OF THE NUMBER OF DAYS I HAVE LEFT
- 00:55:15.180 --> 00:55:18.110
- UNTIL I DIE IF LIVE TO 70." HE SAID, "EVERY DAY, THE
- 00:55:18.130 --> 00:55:22.100
- FIRST THING I DO IS ERASE ONE OF THOSE MARKS TO REMIND
- 00:55:22.120 --> 00:55:26.000
- ME HOW SHORT MY TIME ON EARTH IS." AND I THINK
- 00:55:26.020 --> 00:55:29.040
- WHATEVER WE CAN DO, MOSES SAID, TEACH US TO NUMBER OUR
- 00:55:29.060 --> 00:55:32.040
- DAYS AND RECOGNIZE HOW FEW THEY ARE SO THAT WE CAN
- 00:55:32.060 --> 00:55:34.290
- SPEND THEM AS WE SHOULD.
- 00:55:35.010 --> 00:55:36.290
- THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THINKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
- 00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:39.050
- - THERE YOU GO, OKAY.
- 00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:41.020
- THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.
- 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.200
- - WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN." THE
- 00:55:42.220 --> 00:55:45.080
- 800 NUMBER IS THERE ON THE SCREEN.
- 00:55:45.100 --> 00:55:48.130
- IT'S REAL BIG.
- 00:55:48.150 --> 00:55:50.230
- I'LL READ IT OFF FOR YOU IF YOU'RE SITTING FAR FROM YOUR
- 00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:52.210
- TV AND GETTING READY TO DIAL YOUR PHONE.
- 00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:55.040
- 800-780-3643, AND "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN"
- 00:55:55.060 --> 00:56:03.050
- WILL BE SENT TO YOU.
- 00:56:03.070 --> 00:56:04.280
- OKAY, PASTOR JEFFRESS, OFF CAMERA, YOU TOLL ME THAT THE
- 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.110
- ONLY THING THAT YOU EVER WANT IS THE
- 00:56:07.130 --> 00:56:08.290
- FINAL WORD, SO...
- 00:56:09.010 --> 00:56:11.170
- - COMPLETELY MADE UP, COMPLETELY MADE UP.
- 00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:15.160
- - THAT'S NOT IN SCRIPTURE EITHER.
- 00:56:15.180 --> 00:56:17.130
- IN THE LAST ONE MINUTE, JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET UP
- 00:56:17.150 --> 00:56:21.000
- OFF THE COUCH BEFORE YOU HAVE SAID WHATEVER
- 00:56:21.020 --> 00:56:23.170
- YOU WANT TO SAY.
- 00:56:23.190 --> 00:56:25.040
- DON'T LET THIS MOMENT GO BY, BUT JUST TAKE THE LAST
- 00:56:25.060 --> 00:56:27.040
- MINUTE, IF YOU WOULD, SIR.
- 00:56:27.060 --> 00:56:29.000
- - I'M GOING TO LET JESUS HAVE THE LAST WORD
- 00:56:29.020 --> 00:56:30.190
- ON THIS, IF I COULD.
- 00:56:30.210 --> 00:56:32.030
- - THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
- 00:56:32.050 --> 00:56:33.230
- - YOU KNOW, JESUS TALKED ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
- 00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:35.050
- THAT WORD "PLACE", TOPOS IN GREEK, MEANS IT'S
- 00:56:35.070 --> 00:56:36.160
- A REAL LOCATION.
- 00:56:36.180 --> 00:56:37.260
- JESUS SAID, "FOR I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, AND
- 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.180
- IF I GO AND PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN
- 00:56:40.200 --> 00:56:43.280
- AND TAKE YOU UNTO MYSELF THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU
- 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.200
- MAY BE ALSO." THAT'S THE GREAT HOPE FOR EVERYONE WHO
- 00:56:47.220 --> 00:56:50.250
- KNOWS CHRIST AS SAVIOR.
- 00:56:50.270 --> 00:56:52.080
- - BEAUTIFUL JOB, SIR.
- 00:56:52.100 --> 00:56:54.000
- - THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
- 00:56:54.020 --> 00:56:55.190
- - "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN". GET IT.
- 00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:57.250
- THE 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
- 00:56:57.270 --> 00:56:59.110
- LAURIE AND I AND PASTOR JEFFRESS --
- 00:56:59.130 --> 00:57:02.090
- - PLANNING ON GOING. - WE'RE PLANNING ON GOING.
- 00:57:02.110 --> 00:57:04.200
- - WE'LL SEE YOU THERE.
- 00:57:04.220 --> 00:57:07.010
- - AND THIS NEW SET, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
- 00:57:07.030 --> 00:57:08.230
- WE'RE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BYE BYE.
- 00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:09.100