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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Dr. Robert Jeffress.

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Praise | October 13, 2017

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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT FROM DALLAS, TEXAS ...
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  • - DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS: WHAT WILL WE DO IN HEAVEN FOR
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  • ALL ETERNITY?
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  • WILL HEAVEN BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE?
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  • WILL WE KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN?
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS
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  • SHARES INSIGHTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT OUR
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  • ETERNAL HOME.
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  • - DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS: C.S. LEWIS
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  • ONCE SAID, HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT THE
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  • CHRISTIANS WHO ARE MOST EFFECTIVE IN THIS WORLD
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  • ARE THE ONES WHO THINK MOST ABOUT THE NEXT WORLD.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: ARE YOU HEAVENLY MINDED?
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  • NEXT ON PRAISE!
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • [ APPLAUSE ]
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  • - MATT CROUCH: WELCOME YOU TO DALLAS, TEXAS TODAY.
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  • BIG D IS THE PLACE OF PRAISE TODAY.
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  • I'M GOING TO QUOTE FROM A BOOK BY ROBERT JEFFRESS,
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  • NEARLY DEAD IS NOT DEAD AS MIRACLE MAX TOLD
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  • INDIGO MONTOYA IN THE MOVIE THE "PRINCESS BRIDE".
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  • - LAURIE CROUCH: ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
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  • [ LAUGHTER ]
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  • - YOUR FRIEND IS ONLY MOSTLY DEAD.
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  • THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MOSTLY DEAD AND
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  • ALL DEAD.
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  • MOSTLY DEAD IS STILL ALIVE.
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  • WITH ALL DEAD, WELL, WITH ALL DEAD, THERE'S ONLY
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  • ONE THING YOU CAN DO, GO THROUGH HIS CLOTHES AND
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  • LOOK FOR LOOSE CHANGE.
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  • THAT IS FROM THE BOOK A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • AND ROBERT JEFFRESS, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
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  • AND WHY TODAY?
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  • - DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS: THAT'S AN
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  • INTERESTING QUOTE TO LEAD THIS SERIES OFF ON.
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  • - I GOT IT OUT OF YOUR BOOK.
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  • - I KNOW.
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  • [ LAUGHTER ]
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  • WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BE ALL DEAD ONE DAY, BUT THE
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  • GOOD NEWS IS ALL DEAD IS NOT THE END.
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  • IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING SPECIALLY FOR CHRISTIANS.
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  • THERE'S A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • AND YOU KNOW, MATT AND LAURIE,A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • WOULD WONDER WITH ALL THAT'S GOING ON IN THE
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  • WORLD RIGHT NOW, HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES,
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  • MASS SHOOTINGS, CHAOS IN WASHINGTON, NUCLEAR WAR
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  • POSSIBLY WITH NORTH KOREA, WHY IN THE WORLD
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  • WOULD WE WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT HEAVEN?
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  • WELL, THAT KIND OF ANSWERS THE QUESTION,
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  • DOESN'T IT?
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  • WE NEED TO KNOW THAT GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER
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  • PREPARED FOR US.
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  • AND YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING I WAS TALKING
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  • ON FOX LAST WEEK ABOUT THE LAS VEGAS MASSACRE,
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  • AND THE HOST WAS ASKING, WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?
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  • WELL, THE BIBLE NEVER ANSWERS THE WHY QUESTION
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  • COMPLETELY, BUT IT DOES ADD ONE WORD TO
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  • SUFFERING, AND THAT WORD IS TEMPORARY.
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  • WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT
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  • ALWAYS GOING TO GO THROUGH.
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  • THERE IS A BETTER PLACE, THAT PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • SO THIS MESSAGE OF HEAVEN I WROTE TO BE AN
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  • ENCOURAGEMENT TO PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
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  • THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU'RE
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  • A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, GOD HAS SOMETHING
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  • BETTER FOR YOU.
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  • BUT THERE'S ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS BOOK AS
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  • WELL AND TO BE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
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  • QUITE FRANKLY OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR AUDIENCE
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  • RIGHT NOW IS SAYING WELL, MY LIFE IS JUST FINE.
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  • I'M BUSY WITH WORK, TRYING TO RAISE CHILDREN,
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  • TRYING TO EARN A LIVING.
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  • I'VE GOT SO MUCH GOING ON IN MY WORLD WHY DO I NEED
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  • TO THINK ABOUT THAT NEXT WORLD?
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  • AND I'D ASK OUR VIEWERS TO JUST THINK ABOUT THIS.
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  • SUPPOSE YOUR COMPANY WERE TO TELL YOU THAT IN SIX
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  • MONTHS THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE YOU TO A FOREIGN
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  • COUNTRY THAT YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT?
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  • SAY LONDON, ENGLAND, AND YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING
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  • TO MOVE THERE IN SIX MONTHS, AND FURTHERMORE,
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  • IT WAS GOING TO BE A PERMANENT MOVE.
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  • YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LONDON, ENGLAND.
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  • DON'T YOU THINK YOU WOULD SPEND THE NEXT SIX MONTHS
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  • LEARNING EVERYTHING YOU COULD ABOUT THAT NEW
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  • LOCATION AND MAKING EVERY PREPARATION TO MOVE THERE?
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  • - WOW.
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  • - WELL, THE FACT IS IF WE'RE CHRISTIANS WE'RE
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  • ALL GOING TO MAKE A MOVE ONE DAY TO A PERMANENT,
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  • REAL LOCATION, TO A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • IT ONLY MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING WE
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  • COULD NOW TO LEARN ABOUT THAT PLACE AND TO PREPARE
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  • FOR THE MOVE.
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  • AND THAT'S WHAT I DO IN A BOOK, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • I HOPE PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT HEAVEN BY ANSWERING THE
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  • TEN MOST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE
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  • ABOUT HEAVEN, AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
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  • FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY.
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  • - THE FIRST QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND WITH
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  • ME IS, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO HEAVEN?
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  • - WELL, THE ALTERNATIVE IS NOT JUST DEAD.
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  • IT'S HELL.
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  • THE BIBLE SAYS HELL IS A REAL PLACE.
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  • IN FACT, INTERESTINGLY, MATT AND LAURIE, OF THE
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  • 1330 VERSES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT RECORD THE
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  • WORDS OF JESUS, 13% OF THEM DEAL WITH THE
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  • REALITY OF HELL.
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  • IN FACT, IF YOU DO THE WORD COUNT, JESUS TALKED
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  • MORE ABOUT HELL THAN HE DID ABOUT HEAVEN.
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  • - MATT CROUCH: WOW.
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  • - AND HE SAID IT IS A PLACE OF PHYSICAL TORMENT.
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  • HE SAID IT IS A PLACE OF WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
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  • THE WORST THING ABOUT HELL IS IT'S AN
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  • IRREVOCABLE DESTINATION.
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  • ONCE YOU CLOSURE EYES HERE ON EARTH AND WAKE UP
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  • IN HEAVEN OR HELL, YOU NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO
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  • CHANGE YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY.
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  • AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE OBJECT TO THE IDEA OF HELL.
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  • THEY'RE REPULSED.
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  • THEY'RE OFFENDED BY THE IDEA OF HELL, AND I SAY
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  • TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT RESPONSE, REMEMBER, JUST
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  • ABOUT EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT HELL CAME FROM THE
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  • LIPS OF JESUS HIMSELF.
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  • - WOW.
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  • - AND IF JESUS WAS WRONG ABOUT HELL, THEN HE'S
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  • WRONG ABOUT HEAVEN.
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  • THE FACT IS BOTH HEAVEN AND HELL ARE REAL
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  • POSSIBLE DESTINATIONS.
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  • - WOW. TWO THINGS.
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  • UM, SO FAR I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IF YOU JUST
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  • TUNED IN WE ARE IN A BRAND-NEW PLACE.
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  • IT'S NOT HEAVEN OR HELL.
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  • IT'S DALLAS, TEXAS BUT IT IS A VERY NEW --
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  • - A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL THIS HEAVEN ON EARTH.
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  • - NEW HOME TO US, THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW SET THAT WE
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  • ARE SITTING IN. THIS IS SHOW NUMBER 1, DOCTOR JEFFRESS.
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  • - I AM HONORED.
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  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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  • - THIS PROGRAM TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING
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  • ABOUT A PLACE, AND IT IS HEAVEN.
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  • SO FIRST OF ALL, TWO THINGS, THANK YOU FOR
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  • MAKING A QUOTE OUT OF PRINCESS BRIDE IN YOUR
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  • BOOK [ LAUGHTER ] BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT MOVIE.
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  • AND YOUR TIE IS LOVELY.
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  • - OH, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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  • - I HAVE A QUESTION.
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  • - YEP.
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  • - WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE NOT THINK ABOUT HEAVEN?
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  • A LOT OF PEOPLE -- WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT MUCH.
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  • - WE DON'T.
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  • AND YOU KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD THIS, LAURIE,
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  • PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SO
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  • HEAVENLY MINDED THEY'RE NO EARTHLY GOOD.
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  • I'VE NEVER MET A PERSON LIKE THAT.
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  • - YEAH.
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  • - I'VE NEVER MET A PERSON WHO THINKS TOO
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  • MUCH ABOUT HEAVEN.
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  • C.S. LEWIS SAID, I QUOTED IN THE OPEN, HE SAID, THE
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  • PROBLEM WITH MOST CHRISTIANS IS NOT THAT WE
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  • THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT HEAVEN BUT WE THINK ABOUT
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  • IT TOO LITTLE.
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  • IN FACT, HE SAID IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY YOU'LL
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  • DISCOVER THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE BIGGEST
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  • DIFFERENCE IN THIS WORLD WERE THOSE WHO THOUGHT
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  • MOST ABOUT THE NEXT WORLD, AND THEN HE HAD
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  • HIS FAMOUS LINE, AIM AT HEAVEN AND YOU GET EARTH
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  • THROWN IN.
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  • AIM AT EARTH AND YOU GET NEITHER.
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  • - WOW.
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  • - AND I THINK THE FACT IS WE GET SO CAUGHT UP IN
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  • THIS WORLD WE FORGET HOW BRIEF OUR TIME IS HERE
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  • ON EARTH.
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  • JAMES SAYS OUR LIFE IS LIKE A VAPOR.
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  • IT'S A MIST.
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  • IT APPEARS A LITTLE WHILE, AND THEN IT VANISHES.
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  • AND THAT'S ONE REASON TO THINK ABOUT HEAVEN
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  • BECAUSE IT REMINDS US HOW BRIEF OUR TIME IS HERE ON
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  • EARTH, AND HOPEFULLY MOTIVATES US TO LIVE OUR
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  • LIFE AS WE SHOULD IN THESE FEW YEARS WE HAVE.
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  • - WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ROBERT JEFFRESS, DOCTOR
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  • ROBERT JEFFRESS, TEN SURPRISING TRUTHS ABOUT
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  • YOUR ETERNAL HOME FROM THE BOOK
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  • A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • THE 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
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  • THIS BOOK IS JUST RECENTLY OUT, AND WE ARE
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  • WELCOMING OUR GUEST TO TALK ABOUT A GREAT
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  • SUBJECT TODAY, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • OKAY. DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU PASTOR
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  • THIS MONSTROUS CHURCH HERE IN THE
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  • DALLAS, TEXAS AREA.
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  • IT'S CALLED FIRST BAPTIST, AND YOU ARE AN
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  • OFTEN FOX CONTRIBUTOR SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
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  • THIS WOULDN'T BE A NORMAL SUBJECT THAT I WOULD
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  • EXPECT YOU TO JUMP INTO, AND THE TIMING IS KIND OF
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  • BEYOND AMAZING.
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  • WHERE DID THIS BOOK COME FROM?
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  • WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT?
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  • WHERE WERE YOU?
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  • YOU KNOW, JUST LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE CREATION
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  • OF WHAT THIS WAS.
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  • - WELL, YOU PROBABLY KNOW IN THE BOOK
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  • CREATION PROCESS YOU HAVE TO PLAN SEVERAL YEARS
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  • AHEAD BECAUSE OF THE PUBLISHING CYCLES AND SO FORTH.
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  • - SURE.
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  • - MY LAST I HAD WRITTEN WAS CALLED NOT ALL ROADS
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  • LEAD TO HEAVEN , AND IT WAS A BOOK ABOUT THE
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  • EXCLUSIVITY OF JESUS FOR SALVATION.
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  • YOU KNOW, AN AMAZING STATISTIC PEW RESEARCH
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  • POLL REVEALED THAT 57% OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS
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  • BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO HEAVEN
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  • OTHER THAN FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.
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  • - WOW.
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  • - 57% OF EVANGELICALS.
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  • NO WONDER WE'RE NOT WINNING MORE PEOPLE TO
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  • FAITH IN CHRIST.
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  • SO I WROTE THAT BOOK, NOT ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEAVEN ,
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  • TO REAFFIRM WHAT JESUS SAID, I AM THE WAY AND
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  • THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
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  • NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.
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  • AND SO AFTER WRITING THAT BOOK AND IT BECAME A BEST
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  • SELLER ON THE WAY TO HEAVEN, I THOUGHT IT ONLY
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  • NATURAL TO FOLLOW-UP WAS OKAY, WHAT IS THIS
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  • DESTINATION OF HEAVEN GOING TO BE LIKE.
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  • AND FRANKLY, MATT AND LAURIE, THERE WERE SO FEW
  • 00:09:18.020 --> 00:09:20.020
  • BOOKS OUT THERE OR BOOKS THAT WERE BASED ON THE
  • 00:09:20.040 --> 00:09:22.290
  • BIBLE ABOUT HEAVEN THAT I FELT LIKE IT WOULD MEET A
  • 00:09:23.010 --> 00:09:26.210
  • REAL NEED, AND GOD HAS BLESSED THE BOOK.
  • 00:09:26.230 --> 00:09:28.200
  • I TOLD YOU OFF CAMERA IT'S BEEN OUT A MONTH,
  • 00:09:28.220 --> 00:09:31.080
  • AND IT'S ALREADY IN ITS THIRD PRINTING, SO IT'S
  • 00:09:31.100 --> 00:09:33.000
  • REALLY MEETING A NEED PEOPLE HAVE.
  • 00:09:33.020 --> 00:09:34.210
  • - WOW.
  • 00:09:34.230 --> 00:09:36.220
  • - IT'S AND AVAILABLE FROM THE 800 NUMBER THAT WILL BE UP
  • 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.140
  • AND DOWN AS WE'RE DISCUSSING HEAVEN IS
  • 00:09:39.160 --> 00:09:42.130
  • AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
  • 00:09:42.150 --> 00:09:44.220
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.060
  • SO FOR IT TO COME OUT THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, YOU LOOK BACK,
  • 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.180
  • THIS IS OCTOBER 11 OR 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
  • 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:53.020
  • WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER THE LAST FOUR WEEKS SINCE IT
  • 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:56.150
  • CAME OUT, THE DEVASTATION IN JUST AMERICA ALONE HAS
  • 00:09:56.170 --> 00:10:01.080
  • BEEN -- YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAME FROM CALIFORNIA
  • 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:02.210
  • WHERE WE'RE HAVING HORRIFIC FIRES.
  • 00:10:02.230 --> 00:10:04.270
  • WATCHING IT FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW, THE FIRES
  • 00:10:04.290 --> 00:10:09.010
  • THERE IN ANAHEIM HILLS, AND JUST THE STUFF THAT'S
  • 00:10:09.030 --> 00:10:12.290
  • GONE ON.
  • 00:10:13.010 --> 00:10:14.090
  • - LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
  • 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:16.040
  • - OH, YEAH.
  • 00:10:16.060 --> 00:10:18.100
  • - THE LARGEST STORM IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
  • 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.020
  • THE MOST WATER.
  • 00:10:20.040 --> 00:10:21.160
  • SO THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE KIND OF NEEDING SOME
  • 00:10:21.180 --> 00:10:25.210
  • COMFORT IN ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS --
  • 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:27.220
  • - AND KNOWING THOSE PEOPLE, SO THERE'S THOUSANDS OF
  • 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.150
  • THOSE PEOPLE.
  • 00:10:30.170 --> 00:10:32.020
  • MY COUSIN WAS ONE THAT WAS SHOT IN THE LAS VEGAS
  • 00:10:32.040 --> 00:10:34.150
  • MASSACRE, AND THOSE PEOPLE -- THE PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:10:34.170 --> 00:10:37.180
  • ARE TOUCHED BY THAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING, YOU
  • 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.070
  • KNOW, WE COULD ALL MEET OUR MAKER AT ANY MOMENT.
  • 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:45.230
  • - SURE.
  • 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:47.110
  • - AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST PREVALENT ON A LOT
  • 00:10:47.130 --> 00:10:49.190
  • OF PEOPLE'S MIND, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE NEED
  • 00:10:49.210 --> 00:10:51.110
  • FOR THIS IS JUST HUGE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:10:51.130 --> 00:10:54.290
  • - WELL, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING
  • 00:10:55.010 --> 00:10:56.190
  • REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE
  • 00:10:56.210 --> 00:10:59.000
  • BENEFITS OF TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN IT PUTS HUMAN
  • 00:10:59.020 --> 00:11:01.290
  • SUFFERING THAT WE GO THROUGH EVERY DAY
  • 00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:03.260
  • IN PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:11:03.280 --> 00:11:05.180
  • LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE BIBLE NEVER DENIES THE
  • 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.280
  • REALITY OF PAIN.
  • 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.170
  • IT NEVER DIMINISHES IT, BUT IT DOES PUT IT
  • 00:11:09.190 --> 00:11:11.290
  • IN PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:11:12.010 --> 00:11:13.060
  • THINK ABOUT THE APOSTLE PAUL.
  • 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:14.230
  • HE SAID, FOR THE MOMENTARY LIGHT
  • 00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:17.100
  • AFFLICTIONS WE EXPERIENCE ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO
  • 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.190
  • THE ETERNAL WEIGHT OF GLORY.
  • 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:23.040
  • YOU THINK ABOUT PAUL.
  • 00:11:23.060 --> 00:11:24.080
  • HE SAID, MOMENTARY LIGHT?
  • 00:11:24.100 --> 00:11:26.270
  • LOOK AT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH, I MEAN, BEATEN
  • 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:28.080
  • THREE TIMES WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE,
  • 00:11:28.100 --> 00:11:30.110
  • SHIPWRECKED, ULTIMATELY BEHEADED.
  • 00:11:30.130 --> 00:11:32.100
  • BUT HE SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HEAVEN
  • 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.110
  • THOSE ARE MOMENTARY AND LIGHT.
  • 00:11:35.130 --> 00:11:37.110
  • SOMEBODY SAID ONE DAY FROM HEAVEN WE'LL LOOK
  • 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:40.190
  • BACK AND SEE THAT OUR MOST HORRIFIC SUFFERING
  • 00:11:40.210 --> 00:11:43.160
  • IN THIS WORLD WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A ONE NIGHT
  • 00:11:43.180 --> 00:11:46.270
  • STAY IN A BAD MOTEL.
  • 00:11:46.290 --> 00:11:48.210
  • - WOW.
  • 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:50.060
  • - YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE THAT HEAVEN
  • 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.230
  • GIVES US, SOMETHING BETTER AWAITS US.
  • 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:52.280
  • - WOW.
  • 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.000
  • - WOW.
  • 00:11:54.020 --> 00:11:55.090
  • THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:11:55.110 --> 00:11:57.090
  • - YOU KNOW, PAUL'S PERSPECTIVE ON HIS
  • 00:11:57.110 --> 00:11:58.290
  • TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE
  • 00:11:59.010 --> 00:12:04.020
  • RESIDENTS OF THE GULF COAST, THE HOUSTON AREA,
  • 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:07.140
  • THAT WHOLE AREA.
  • 00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:09.010
  • HOUSTON IS THE BIGGEST CITY THAT WAS AFFECTED,
  • 00:12:09.030 --> 00:12:10.230
  • BUT YOU KNOW, A STORM THAT JUST SAT THERE AND
  • 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:14.010
  • DUMPED 50 INCHES OF RAIN OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND
  • 00:12:14.030 --> 00:12:17.040
  • OTHER HURRICANES, IN PUERTO RICO THAT ARE
  • 00:12:17.060 --> 00:12:21.080
  • ALWAYS WATCHING TBN.
  • 00:12:21.100 --> 00:12:22.240
  • HELLO, PUERTO RICO.
  • 00:12:22.260 --> 00:12:24.160
  • HOPEFULLY YOUR POWER IS BACK ON AND THAT KIND OF
  • 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:25.280
  • THING, BUT IT IS TEMPORARY.
  • 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.050
  • - YES.
  • 00:12:29.070 --> 00:12:31.190
  • - IN THE LIGHT OF HEAVEN.
  • 00:12:31.210 --> 00:12:32.270
  • - THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:12:32.290 --> 00:12:34.050
  • - SO IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND YOU -IF YOU WANT TO TRY
  • 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:36.050
  • TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS IN THIS LIFETIME, OFTEN
  • 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:38.180
  • TIMES YOU CAN'T GET THERE, BUT IF YOU ZOOM
  • 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.070
  • OUT AND INCLUDE ETERNITY, SOMETIMES THINGS CAN
  • 00:12:40.090 --> 00:12:44.050
  • CERTAINLY BE MORE BEARABLE ULTIMATELY IS
  • 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:46.100
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
  • 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:47.270
  • LET'S START AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
  • 00:12:47.290 --> 00:12:49.170
  • WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HEAVEN.
  • 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:51.150
  • OUR GUEST, DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS HAS JUST WRITTEN
  • 00:12:51.170 --> 00:12:54.120
  • THIS BOOK, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:12:54.140 --> 00:12:56.230
  • LET'S START WITH THE CYNIC FOR A MOMENT.
  • 00:12:56.250 --> 00:13:01.170
  • - OH, DO WE HAVE TO?
  • 00:13:01.190 --> 00:13:03.280
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.110
  • - AT SOME POINT --
  • 00:13:05.130 --> 00:13:06.090
  • - I'M KIDDING.
  • 00:13:06.110 --> 00:13:07.230
  • - LET'S JUST BE REALISTIC HERE.
  • 00:13:07.250 --> 00:13:09.120
  • AT SOME POINT I THINK IN YOUR BOOK HERE SOMEWHERE,
  • 00:13:09.140 --> 00:13:12.260
  • YOU KNOW, YOU SAID SOMETHING VERY CUTE THAT,
  • 00:13:12.280 --> 00:13:15.090
  • YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN
  • 00:13:15.110 --> 00:13:17.290
  • IS GOING TO BE JUST ONE BIG LONG CHURCH SERVICE
  • 00:13:18.010 --> 00:13:20.090
  • WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS MORE PARAMOUNT TO LIKE BEING
  • 00:13:20.110 --> 00:13:22.050
  • IN HELL RATHER THAN HEAVEN.
  • 00:13:22.070 --> 00:13:24.230
  • - YOU STOLE MY BEST LINE.
  • 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:27.080
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:13:27.100 --> 00:13:28.250
  • YOU STOLE MY BEST LINE. THE WHOLE SHOW IT'S OVER.
  • 00:13:28.270 --> 00:13:31.250
  • - DO IT AGAIN.
  • 00:13:31.270 --> 00:13:34.070
  • - NO, I THINK IT REALLY DOES BEG THE QUESTION,
  • 00:13:34.090 --> 00:13:36.250
  • WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT HEAVEN?
  • 00:13:36.270 --> 00:13:38.100
  • LET'S FACE IT, I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
  • 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.020
  • HURTING, THAT ARE IN PAIN THAT ARE LONGING
  • 00:13:40.040 --> 00:13:42.100
  • FOR HEAVEN.
  • 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.120
  • THAT'S A WELCOME MESSAGE.
  • 00:13:43.140 --> 00:13:44.170
  • OTHER PEOPLE THINK WELL, GEE.
  • 00:13:44.190 --> 00:13:45.290
  • I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.
  • 00:13:46.010 --> 00:13:48.120
  • AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS
  • 00:13:48.140 --> 00:13:49.220
  • UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE GIVEN PEOPLE OF HEAVEN THAT
  • 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.200
  • IT'S ONE LONG NAP OR WE'RE FLOATING AROUND ON
  • 00:13:51.220 --> 00:13:54.080
  • A CLOUD PLUCKING THE HARP, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:13:54.100 --> 00:13:56.060
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:57.290
  • AND THAT'S NOT EXCITING.
  • 00:13:58.010 --> 00:13:59.150
  • AND LIKE YOU SAID, OR SITTING IN CHURCH 24/7.
  • 00:13:59.170 --> 00:14:02.050
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:03.140
  • - THAT IS HELL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:04.280
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.190
  • - NOW, LET'S BE CLEAR TO THOSE WHO ARE COMPLAINING
  • 00:14:06.210 --> 00:14:08.150
  • RIGHT NOW TO TBN ABOUT WHAT I SAID --
  • 00:14:08.170 --> 00:14:10.100
  • - IT'S FUNNIER WHEN YOU SAID IT.
  • 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.160
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:14:11.180 --> 00:14:13.100
  • - I CAN SAY THAT AS A PASTOR, BUT LET'S BE CLEAR.
  • 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.000
  • WE ARE GOING TO WORSHIP IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:14:16.020 --> 00:14:17.170
  • WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE WORSHIP LIKE WE'VE NEVER
  • 00:14:17.190 --> 00:14:20.140
  • EXPERIENCED ON EARTH, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THAT WE'RE
  • 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:23.050
  • GOING TO DO IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:14:23.070 --> 00:14:24.270
  • WE'RE GOING TO WORK IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:14:24.290 --> 00:14:26.170
  • GOD HAS AN ASSIGNMENT FOR US IN THE NEW HEAVEN
  • 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:28.030
  • AND NEW EARTH.
  • 00:14:28.050 --> 00:14:29.260
  • AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:14:29.280 --> 00:14:31.060
  • WHERE IS HEAVEN ANYWAY?
  • 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.190
  • AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO SPEND ETERNITY?
  • 00:14:32.210 --> 00:14:34.060
  • IT'S GOING TO BLOW SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS WHEN WE
  • 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.210
  • TELL THEM IN A MINUTE WHERE HEAVEN ACTUALLY IS
  • 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:38.070
  • GOING TO BE FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK.
  • 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:40.230
  • YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ENJOY OUR WORK LIKE WE'VE
  • 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:42.140
  • NEVER ENJOYED IT BEFORE.
  • 00:14:42.160 --> 00:14:43.290
  • GOD CREATED US TO BE WORKERS.
  • 00:14:44.010 --> 00:14:46.280
  • HE CREATED ADAM AND EVE TO BE WORKERS.
  • 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.060
  • HE CREATED HIM IN HIS IMAGE.
  • 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:50.270
  • GOD IS A WORKER.
  • 00:14:50.290 --> 00:14:52.130
  • HE MEANT FOR US TO FIND FULFILLMENT IN OUR WORK.
  • 00:14:52.150 --> 00:14:54.100
  • THE ONLY REASON WE DON'T ENJOY WORK RIGHT NOW IS
  • 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.230
  • BECAUSE OF THE RESULTS OF SIN AFTER THE FALL.
  • 00:14:56.250 --> 00:14:59.270
  • WE HAVE BODIES THAT GET TIRED, DON'T WANT TO
  • 00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:01.290
  • CRAWL OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK.
  • 00:15:02.010 --> 00:15:04.020
  • WE HAVE STRAINED RELATIONSHIPS AT WORK.
  • 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:06.090
  • WE HAVE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
  • 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:08.060
  • I BET YOU HAVE A FEW OF THOSE YOU HAVE TO DEAL
  • 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:09.150
  • WITH AS WELL.
  • 00:15:09.170 --> 00:15:11.090
  • ALL OF THOSE IMPEDIMENTS WILL BE REMOVED, AND
  • 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:13.140
  • WE'LL ENJOY WORK LIKE GOD INTENDED US TO ENJOY IT.
  • 00:15:13.160 --> 00:15:16.140
  • - YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT THIS BOOK
  • 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:19.250
  • I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH IT ALL MORNING AND LAST
  • 00:15:19.270 --> 00:15:21.290
  • NIGHT, AND I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THIS INTERVIEW IS
  • 00:15:22.010 --> 00:15:26.050
  • OVER SO THAT I CAN START READING.
  • 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:28.210
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:30.130
  • I CANNOT WAIT --
  • 00:15:30.150 --> 00:15:32.000
  • - THIS INTERVIEW IS NOT LIKE HELL, I HOPE.
  • 00:15:32.020 --> 00:15:33.170
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:36.020
  • - I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL I HAVE TIME TO GET THROUGH
  • 00:15:36.040 --> 00:15:38.130
  • THIS BOOK BECAUSE IT MADE ME WANT TO GO, OKAY,
  • 00:15:38.150 --> 00:15:40.220
  • I'M GOING TO GET-- [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.180
  • I WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
  • 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.100
  • THAT WASN'T VERY FUNNY.
  • 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.110
  • - THAT WAS FUNNY.
  • 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:47.220
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.060
  • - I LOVE THIS, BUT IT MAKES ME WANT TO STUDY
  • 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.230
  • THIS BOOK.
  • 00:15:50.250 --> 00:15:52.100
  • I WANT TO LOOK UP ALL THESE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE
  • 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.140
  • THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, I KNOW, AS A PASTOR.
  • 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:57.080
  • YOU'RE ONE OF THE BEST THEOLOGIANS THAT I THINK
  • 00:15:57.100 --> 00:16:01.280
  • WE KNOW, SO I KNOW YOU GOT ALL YOUR SCRIPTURE,
  • 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.130
  • ALL YOUR ANSWERS FROM THE BIBLE.
  • 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:05.100
  • - THAT'S RIGHT IS.
  • 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.220
  • - AM I MAKING ANY OF THIS UP?
  • 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.020
  • - AND I REALLY DO THINK THAT THE BIBLE IS
  • 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:10.070
  • SUFFICIENT TO TELL US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO
  • 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.240
  • KNOW ABOUT HEAVEN, AND LET'S BE CLEAR, IT
  • 00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:13.190
  • DOESN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HEAVEN.
  • 00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:16.130
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:16:16.150 --> 00:16:17.210
  • - I THINK THERE'S A REASON GOD HASN'T TOLD US
  • 00:16:17.230 --> 00:16:19.040
  • EVERYTHING ABOUT HEAVEN.
  • 00:16:19.060 --> 00:16:20.160
  • I MEAN, IMAGINE A CHILD AND THE MOM PUTS DOWN A
  • 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:23.040
  • PLATE OF MASHED POTATOES, ROAST BEEF, AND
  • 00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:25.060
  • SPINACH, AND THEN OVER TO THE SIDE PUTS A DISH OF
  • 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.120
  • VANILLA ICE CREAM WITH CHOCOLATE SYRUP.
  • 00:16:27.140 --> 00:16:31.050
  • WHERE'S THAT KID GOING TO GO FIRST?
  • 00:16:31.070 --> 00:16:32.220
  • OR WHERE ARE THE ADULTS GOING TO GO FIRST?
  • 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.190
  • YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO TO THE DESSERT.
  • 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:36.130
  • IT WOULD BE A DISTRACTION.
  • 00:16:36.150 --> 00:16:37.290
  • I THINK IF WE KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS
  • 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:39.170
  • WAITING FOR US IN HEAVEN THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE
  • 00:16:39.190 --> 00:16:41.160
  • MASS SUICIDES, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THE
  • 00:16:41.180 --> 00:16:43.170
  • OTHER SIDE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
  • 00:16:43.190 --> 00:16:46.060
  • SO THE BIBLE HASN'T TOLD US EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S
  • 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.260
  • TOLD US ENOUGH TO WHET OUR APPETITES, AND THAT'S
  • 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:50.180
  • WHAT I WANT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN TO DO FOR
  • 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.160
  • PEOPLE, TO WHET THEIR APPETITE AND HELP THEM
  • 00:16:52.180 --> 00:16:54.140
  • GET PREPARED FOR THIS VERY REAL PLACE.
  • 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:56.210
  • - WOW.
  • 00:16:56.230 --> 00:16:57.200
  • - BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:16:57.220 --> 00:16:58.160
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:16:58.180 --> 00:16:59.220
  • SO I WANT TO GET INTO ALL THE QUESTIONS.
  • 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.290
  • YOU TALK ABOUT NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES.
  • 00:17:01.010 --> 00:17:02.140
  • WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
  • 00:17:02.160 --> 00:17:04.090
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:17:04.110 --> 00:17:05.260
  • - WELL, WE'LL TREAD CAREFULLY.
  • 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:06.290
  • - YES.
  • 00:17:07.010 --> 00:17:08.020
  • - WE'LL TREAD CAREFULLY.
  • 00:17:08.040 --> 00:17:09.130
  • - WE READ THAT SECTION, BY THE WAY, SO --
  • 00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:10.260
  • - ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, HAVE SOME PEOPLE ALREADY
  • 00:17:10.280 --> 00:17:13.040
  • VISITED HEAVEN?
  • 00:17:13.060 --> 00:17:14.250
  • YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT THAT'S A VERY
  • 00:17:14.270 --> 00:17:17.060
  • POPULAR THING NOW, PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY'VE DIED AND
  • 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.220
  • THEY'VE GONE TO HEAVEN AND TAKEN A TOUR AND COME
  • 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.020
  • BACK AND WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:24.100
  • LET'S BE CLEAR, GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO.
  • 00:17:24.120 --> 00:17:25.000
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:28.020
  • - SO I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAPPEN.
  • 00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:31.190
  • I WOULD SAY THAT, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE GOT TO
  • 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:34.000
  • RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE BIBLE THERE IS NO EXAMPLE
  • 00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:39.010
  • OF A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE THAT
  • 00:17:39.030 --> 00:17:40.090
  • CORRESPONDS TO WHAT WE SEE TODAY, AND I KNOW THE
  • 00:17:40.110 --> 00:17:42.200
  • VIEWERS RIGHT NOW ARE RINGING THE TELEPHONES
  • 00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:44.180
  • SAYING PASTOR!
  • 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.240
  • PASTOR!
  • 00:17:45.260 --> 00:17:46.260
  • WHAT ABOUT LAZARUS?
  • 00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:48.030
  • WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE CASES?
  • 00:17:48.050 --> 00:17:49.190
  • I DIDN'T SAY GOD HASN'T RAISED PEOPLE FROM THE DEAD.
  • 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:51.030
  • OF COURSE HE DID THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:17:51.050 --> 00:17:52.190
  • BUT THERE'S NOT A CASE WHERE SOMEBODY DIED LIKE
  • 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:54.240
  • LAZARUS, WENT TO THE OTHER SIDE AND CAME BACK
  • 00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:57.100
  • AND TOLD WHAT HE HAD SEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:17:57.120 --> 00:17:59.250
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:17:59.270 --> 00:18:01.070
  • - EVEN THE APOSTLE PAUL, II CORINTHIANS 12, HE WAS
  • 00:18:01.090 --> 00:18:03.040
  • LIFTED UP INTO THE THIRD HEAVEN, AND GOD TOLD HIM
  • 00:18:03.060 --> 00:18:05.180
  • DON'T REPEAT ONE THING THAT YOU'VE SEEN, AND HE
  • 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.150
  • DIDN'T DO IT.
  • 00:18:07.170 --> 00:18:08.240
  • - INTERESTING.
  • 00:18:08.260 --> 00:18:10.090
  • - SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THERE'S NOTHING
  • 00:18:10.110 --> 00:18:11.140
  • THAT CORRESPONDS.
  • 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.240
  • I THINK IN EVALUATING THESE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE
  • 00:18:12.260 --> 00:18:14.270
  • TO ASK OURSELVES, DO THEY CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE?
  • 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:18.040
  • AND SOME OF THEM DO WHERE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
  • 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:20.190
  • CHRISTIANS SUDDENLY SAY THEY WERE TAKEN UP INTO
  • 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:23.110
  • HEAVEN AND SAW A WHITE LIGHT, AND THE WHITE
  • 00:18:23.130 --> 00:18:26.110
  • LIGHT SAID TO THEM IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU
  • 00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:30.060
  • BELIEVE, YOU'RE WELCOMED INTO HEAVEN.
  • 00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:31.270
  • I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THOSE PEOPLE DID SEE A
  • 00:18:31.290 --> 00:18:33.070
  • LIGHT, BUT IT WAS SATAN WHO APPEARED --
  • 00:18:33.090 --> 00:18:34.000
  • - ANGEL OF LIGHT.
  • 00:18:34.020 --> 00:18:35.000
  • - AN ANGEL OF LIGHT, YEAH.
  • 00:18:35.020 --> 00:18:36.150
  • - BECAUSE THAT'S A DECEIVING MESSAGE THAT
  • 00:18:36.170 --> 00:18:37.180
  • EVERYBODY GETS TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.060
  • I THINK WHERE THE EXPERIENCES COINCIDE WITH
  • 00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:42.030
  • WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES YOU AT LEAST HAVE TO ASK
  • 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:45.020
  • THE QUESTION WELL, THEN THAT'S REDUNDANT.
  • 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:47.270
  • WHY DO I NEED TO SPEND $19.95 TO BUY THAT BOOK IF
  • 00:18:47.290 --> 00:18:50.040
  • IT'S ALREADY IN THE BIBLE.
  • 00:18:50.060 --> 00:18:51.170
  • BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO EVALUATE
  • 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:54.060
  • THE EXPERIENCES, MAKE SURE THAT THEY COINCIDE
  • 00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:56.240
  • WITH WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:58.050
  • - BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:18:58.070 --> 00:18:59.140
  • WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.050
  • AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH PASTOR ROBERT
  • 00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:04.030
  • JEFFRESS WHO IS A PROGRAMMER RIGHT HERE ON
  • 00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:06.220
  • TBN EACH WEEK.
  • 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.050
  • IF WE ARE TRYING HIM TO YOU FOR SOME REASON, IF
  • 00:19:08.070 --> 00:19:11.180
  • YOU DON'T WATCH THIS NETWORK AS MUCH AS
  • 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.160
  • OTHERS, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE VIDEO
  • 00:19:14.180 --> 00:19:16.110
  • AND GET TO KNOW PASTOR ROBERT ONE MORE TIME. WATCH.
  • 00:19:16.130 --> 00:19:20.000
  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR,
  • 00:19:20.020 --> 00:19:21.110
  • DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS, REPORTS BREAKING NEWS
  • 00:19:21.130 --> 00:19:23.140
  • WITH A HEAVENLY TWIST.
  • 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.050
  • THE SENIOR PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN DALLAS,
  • 00:19:25.070 --> 00:19:27.180
  • TEXAS IS OFTEN SEEN ON MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS
  • 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.080
  • PROCLAIMING GOD'S WORD.
  • 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:32.150
  • - PASTOR JEFFRESS: THERE'S ONLY ONE GOD WHO CONTROLS
  • 00:19:32.170 --> 00:19:34.150
  • WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS WORLD, AND HIS NAME IS JEHOVAH
  • 00:19:34.170 --> 00:19:36.290
  • GOD. HE IS THE GOD OVER ALL.
  • 00:19:37.010 --> 00:19:40.160
  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DR. JEFFRESS' RADIO PROGRAM
  • 00:19:40.180 --> 00:19:42.260
  • IS HEARD DAILY ON OVER 900 STATIONS NATIONWIDE.
  • 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:45.130
  • YOU CAN ALSO SEE HIS TV PROGRAM "PATHWAY TO
  • 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:48.210
  • VICTORY" HERE ON TBN AND AROUND THE WORLD.
  • 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:51.250
  • ON TOP OF THAT, HE'S INSPIRED PEOPLE WITH OVER
  • 00:19:51.270 --> 00:19:54.210
  • 20 BOOKS, INCLUDING HIS LATEST,
  • 00:19:54.230 --> 00:19:56.100
  • "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:19:56.120 --> 00:19:58.140
  • WHAT JESUS IS PREPARING FOR YOU."
  • 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.000
  • - PASTOR JEFFRESS: GOD UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:02.100
  • GOING THROUGH. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE.
  • 00:20:02.120 --> 00:20:04.000
  • HE'S SAYING REMEMBER THIS, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE GOING
  • 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:06.070
  • THROUGH IS MOMENTARY COMPARED TO ETERNITY.
  • 00:20:06.090 --> 00:20:11.170
  • FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:13.150
  • HEAVEN RIGHT NOW ON PRAISE.
  • 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:16.050
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:20:16.070 --> 00:20:18.090
  • - MATT CROUCH: WELCOME BACK TO BIG D.
  • 00:20:18.110 --> 00:20:20.040
  • WE ARE HERE IN BRAND-NEW STUDIOS.
  • 00:20:20.060 --> 00:20:23.070
  • LET ME JUST BLOW YOUR MIND.
  • 00:20:23.090 --> 00:20:25.130
  • GO TO THE BIG GIANT WIDE SHOT. OKAY.
  • 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:27.180
  • - LAURIE CROUCH: DO WE HAVE AN OLD SHOT?
  • 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.200
  • - WE'RE DOWN HERE, THIS LITTLE SPECK DOWN IN THE
  • 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.000
  • CENTER OF YOUR SCREEN WAVING. THAT'S ME.
  • 00:20:32.020 --> 00:20:34.160
  • WHAT AN AMAZING JOB THAT THE GUYS HAVE DONE HERE,
  • 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:38.190
  • AND THE GALS, AND EVERYBODY THAT'S PART OF THIS.
  • 00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:41.050
  • WE ARE BLOWN AWAY.
  • 00:20:41.070 --> 00:20:44.080
  • IT'S NOT QUITE HEAVEN, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS.
  • 00:20:44.100 --> 00:20:47.220
  • - IT'S NOT PURGATORY EITHER.
  • 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.210
  • - YEAH, SO IT'S WAY BETTER THAN IT WAS.
  • 00:20:49.230 --> 00:20:52.280
  • OKAY, SO A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN IS WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.160
  • TALKING ABOUT. 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN. CALL.
  • 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:58.160
  • ALL RIGHT, LET'S DIG INTO THIS.
  • 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:01.120
  • BY THE WAY, I LOVE THE WAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
  • 00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:04.210
  • ABOUT, PASTOR, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN
  • 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:10.110
  • HERE, AND YOU BASICALLY JUST WENT THROUGH SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:21:10.130 --> 00:21:13.040
  • THE BIBLE TELLS US ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT WE NEED TO
  • 00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:15.150
  • KNOW. AND BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE GOING THERE,
  • 00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:21.010
  • WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
  • 00:21:21.030 --> 00:21:23.060
  • SO WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS HEAVEN?
  • 00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:25.180
  • - THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AS I MENTIONED, I
  • 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.040
  • BUILT THE BOOK AROUND TEN OF THE MOST FREQUENTLY
  • 00:21:28.060 --> 00:21:30.260
  • ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HEAVEN THAT I'VE RECEIVED
  • 00:21:30.280 --> 00:21:32.290
  • IN 40 YEARS IN THE MINISTRY.
  • 00:21:33.010 --> 00:21:34.250
  • SO THIS BOOK ISN'T A HEAVY THEOLOGICAL BOOK,
  • 00:21:34.270 --> 00:21:37.210
  • ALTHOUGH IT'S BUILT AROUND SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:40.280
  • THIS IS A BOOK ANSWERING THE THINGS PEOPLE
  • 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:42.170
  • WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
  • 00:21:42.190 --> 00:21:44.050
  • AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ANSWER IS DO PEOPLE
  • 00:21:44.070 --> 00:21:46.170
  • GO IMMEDIATELY TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE?
  • 00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:48.280
  • DO CHRISTIANS IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE?
  • 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.030
  • AND THE ANSWER IS YES, IF WE DEFINE WHAT WE MEAN BY
  • 00:21:52.050 --> 00:21:57.210
  • HEAVEN. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN.
  • 00:21:57.230 --> 00:22:00.100
  • 2 CORINTHIANS 5:8 PAUL SAYS "TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY
  • 00:22:00.120 --> 00:22:03.180
  • IS TO BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD."
  • 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.220
  • THAT MEANS IF WE'RE A BELIEVER,
  • 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.030
  • THE MOMENT WE SHUT OUR EYES FOR THE LAST TIME HERE ON
  • 00:22:07.050 --> 00:22:09.190
  • EARTH, WE AWAKEN IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS.
  • 00:22:09.210 --> 00:22:12.170
  • THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS SOULS ASLEEP.
  • 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:15.030
  • WE DON'T FLOAT AROUND SOMEPLACE.
  • 00:22:15.050 --> 00:22:16.250
  • WE ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE WITH THE LORD.
  • 00:22:16.270 --> 00:22:18.220
  • WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE BENEFITS OF BEING WITH THE
  • 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.280
  • LORD. WHERE IS THE LORD? WE DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.070
  • THE BIBLE CALLS IT THE THIRD HEAVEN,
  • 00:22:24.090 --> 00:22:26.030
  • BUT WE IMMEDIATELY GO THERE AS CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:22:26.050 --> 00:22:28.260
  • BUT THAT THIRD HEAVEN IS NOT OUR FINAL DESTINATION.
  • 00:22:28.280 --> 00:22:32.230
  • THE BOOK OF REVELATION SAYS, REVELATION 20,
  • 00:22:32.250 --> 00:22:35.170
  • THAT GOD IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY,
  • 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:37.110
  • AFTER THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT,
  • 00:22:37.130 --> 00:22:39.060
  • DESTROY THIS PRESENT HEAVEN AND EARTH WITH FIRE,
  • 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:41.230
  • AND HE'S GOING TO CREATE A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.
  • 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:45.170
  • RIGHT NOW, JESUS SAID I'M IN HEAVEN PREPARING A PLACE
  • 00:22:45.190 --> 00:22:49.140
  • FOR YOU. THAT PLACE IS THE NEW JERUSALEM,
  • 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.130
  • THE HEAVENLY CITY.
  • 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:54.000
  • BUT JOHN SAID IN REVELATION 21,
  • 00:22:54.020 --> 00:22:56.040
  • AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRESENT HEAVEN AND
  • 00:22:56.060 --> 00:22:58.050
  • EARTH, HE SAID I LOOKED UP AND I SAW THE NEW JERUSALEM
  • 00:22:58.070 --> 00:23:01.040
  • COMING OUT OF HEAVEN DOWN TO EARTH.
  • 00:23:01.060 --> 00:23:04.100
  • AND MY POINT IS OUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION IS NOT
  • 00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:07.120
  • GOING TO BE FLOATING AROUND UP THERE SOMEWHERE.
  • 00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:10.090
  • IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE ON THIS NEW EARTH RECREATED AS
  • 00:23:10.110 --> 00:23:14.150
  • GOD INTENDED IT TO BE.
  • 00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:16.230
  • AND YOU KNOW, MATT AND LAURIE,
  • 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:18.100
  • THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE.
  • 00:23:18.120 --> 00:23:20.040
  • I COULDN'T GET EXCITED ABOUT FLOATING AROUND UP
  • 00:23:20.060 --> 00:23:22.120
  • THERE SOMEPLACE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.
  • 00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:24.170
  • THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE!
  • 00:23:24.190 --> 00:23:26.060
  • WE WERE MADE FOR THIS EARTH. WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:27.290
  • HAVE REAL BODIES, FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES.
  • 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:30.120
  • - FEEL GRAVITY?
  • 00:23:30.140 --> 00:23:31.260
  • - WE'RE GONNA FEEL -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:33.230
  • FEEL GRAVITY OR NOT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE ON THIS
  • 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:36.040
  • EARTH AS GOD INTENDED IT TO BE.
  • 00:23:36.060 --> 00:23:38.010
  • AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE
  • 00:23:38.030 --> 00:23:40.040
  • ASSIGNMENTS THAT MAY EVEN MIRROR WHAT WE DID IN THIS
  • 00:23:40.060 --> 00:23:43.030
  • LIFE. THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK THERE'S NOT GONNA BE
  • 00:23:43.050 --> 00:23:45.120
  • CHRISTIAN TELEVISION IN THE NEW EARTH.
  • 00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:48.120
  • THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE
  • 00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:50.230
  • TO DO THE THINGS GOD GIFTED US TO DO IN THIS LIFE.
  • 00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:54.170
  • AND SO I THINK THAT'S, TO ME,
  • 00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:56.110
  • A LIBERATING THOUGHT TO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE
  • 00:23:56.130 --> 00:23:58.210
  • OUR FINAL DESTINATION RIGHT HERE.
  • 00:23:58.230 --> 00:24:00.190
  • - SO HEAVEN COULD BE LIKE DOING CHRISTIAN TV BUT
  • 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:03.110
  • WITHOUT A BUDGET CONSTRAINT. POSSIBLY THAT.
  • 00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:07.180
  • - THAT WOULD BE KIND OF CLOSE TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.020
  • - SO YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION?
  • 00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:13.160
  • - SO LAST NIGHT WE'RE SITTING AROUND THE TABLE,
  • 00:24:13.180 --> 00:24:15.160
  • ALL THE FAMILY AND A COUPLE OF FRIENDS,
  • 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:17.170
  • AND MY MOM IS SITTING THERE,
  • 00:24:17.190 --> 00:24:19.100
  • AND MATT BROUGHT UP SOMEONE WHO HAD DONE A LOT OF
  • 00:24:19.120 --> 00:24:22.150
  • TERRIBLE TERRIBLE THINGS AND SAID BUT WHAT IF HE HAD
  • 00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:25.160
  • ASKED CHRIST INTO HIS LIFE.
  • 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:28.290
  • - AT SOME POINT IN HIS LIFE AND
  • 00:24:29.010 --> 00:24:30.150
  • THEN DID BAD THINGS.
  • 00:24:30.170 --> 00:24:32.120
  • - AND MY MOM SAID WELL, THEN HE'LL BE IN JAIL IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:35.220
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.100
  • - THAT'S ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:40.120
  • - I WONDER IF THERE'S A JAIL IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:43.270
  • - THE BIBLE DOESN'T DESCRIBE THAT, RIGHT?
  • 00:24:43.290 --> 00:24:45.250
  • SO YOUR MOTHER JUST GAVE US HERESY LAST NIGHT
  • 00:24:45.270 --> 00:24:48.250
  • AT THE DINNER TABLE. [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:24:48.270 --> 00:24:51.060
  • - WE WERE ALL IN THOUGH. IT WAS GREAT FUN.
  • 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:53.090
  • - IT'S YOUR MOM TOO.
  • 00:24:53.110 --> 00:24:55.130
  • MY MOM, BECAUSE OF THE LAW, NOT MY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
  • 00:24:55.150 --> 00:24:57.250
  • BECAUSE OF THE LAW.
  • 00:24:57.270 --> 00:24:59.100
  • PASTOR JEFFRESS, FOR THOSE, LET'S RESET A SECOND.
  • 00:24:59.120 --> 00:25:04.160
  • THIS BEAUTIFUL SCREEN ON OUR NEW SET THAT KIND OF
  • 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:07.270
  • LOOKS LIKE HEAVEN, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:25:07.290 --> 00:25:12.080
  • A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:14.020
  • AND INASMUCH AS THERE'S FUN WAYS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
  • 00:25:14.040 --> 00:25:19.040
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE MAIN
  • 00:25:19.060 --> 00:25:21.170
  • MOTIVATION OF YOUR BOOK?
  • 00:25:21.190 --> 00:25:23.170
  • WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO REALLY KIND OF GET AFTER
  • 00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:28.000
  • THEY'VE READ THIS BOOK?
  • 00:25:28.020 --> 00:25:29.200
  • THEY'RE GONNA ORDER IT, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT AND
  • 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:31.210
  • WHO SHOULD THEY GET IT FOR?
  • 00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:33.220
  • WHAT'S THE REAL POINT HERE?
  • 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.120
  • - WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A BOOK OF ENCOURAGEMENT.
  • 00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:38.210
  • PEOPLE MAY BE GOING THROUGH A CRISIS IN THEIR LIFE
  • 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:42.140
  • RIGHT NOW, THEY MAY KNOW SOMEBODY WHO IS,
  • 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.190
  • IT'S A GREAT BOOK OF COMFORT FOR
  • 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:46.050
  • THOSE WHO KNOW CHRIST.
  • 00:25:46.070 --> 00:25:47.260
  • BUT SECONDLY, IT'S A GREAT WITNESSING TOOL FOR THOSE
  • 00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:50.030
  • WHO DON'T KNOW CHRIST, TO REMIND THEM THAT THERE'S
  • 00:25:50.050 --> 00:25:52.260
  • MORE TO LIFE THAN THIS LIFE.
  • 00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:54.220
  • AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I COULD SAY THIS BOOK
  • 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.200
  • CAN DO FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT YET CHRISTIANS IS TO
  • 00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:59.160
  • HELP THEM PREPARE FOR THAT PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:02.010
  • AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO
  • 00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:03.230
  • PREPARE FOR HEAVEN.
  • 00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:05.050
  • I ANSWER THE QUESTION IN THE LAST CHAPTER: WHAT CAN
  • 00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:07.110
  • I DO TO PREPARE FOR MY JOURNEY FOR HEAVEN?
  • 00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:09.240
  • MINIMIZING REGRETS, GETTING YOUR AFFAIRS ON EARTH IN
  • 00:26:09.260 --> 00:26:12.250
  • ORDER. SOME PRACTICAL THINGS.
  • 00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:15.000
  • BUT GO BACK TO THE IMAGE OF MOVING TO A FOREIGN
  • 00:26:15.020 --> 00:26:18.030
  • COUNTRY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY,
  • 00:26:18.050 --> 00:26:20.160
  • THERE'S ONE THING YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AND THAT
  • 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:23.030
  • IS A PROPER PASSPORT.
  • 00:26:23.050 --> 00:26:25.090
  • WITHOUT THE RIGHT PASSPORT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO
  • 00:26:25.110 --> 00:26:27.150
  • THAT NEW COUNTRY YOU'RE TRYING TO GO INTO.
  • 00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:30.030
  • AND IT'S THE SAME WAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT
  • 00:26:30.050 --> 00:26:32.020
  • TO GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:26:32.040 --> 00:26:33.170
  • WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE RIGHT SPIRITUAL PASSPORT.
  • 00:26:33.190 --> 00:26:36.210
  • I'M ASKED ALL THE TIME, ARE BUDDHISTS GONNA BE IN
  • 00:26:36.230 --> 00:26:40.040
  • HEAVEN? ARE MUSLIMS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:26:40.060 --> 00:26:41.270
  • ARE JEWS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:26:41.290 --> 00:26:43.110
  • ARE CATHOLICS OR BAPTISTS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:26:43.130 --> 00:26:46.030
  • AND I ALWAYS SAY THE SAME THING,
  • 00:26:46.050 --> 00:26:48.010
  • NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN IN A GROUP.
  • 00:26:48.030 --> 00:26:50.010
  • NOBODY. NOBODY GOES TO HELL IN A GROUP.
  • 00:26:50.030 --> 00:26:52.160
  • WE GO ONE-BY-ONE BASED ON OUR RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.
  • 00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:56.060
  • AND THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE IN HEAVEN
  • 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:59.020
  • ARE FORGIVEN PEOPLE.
  • 00:26:59.040 --> 00:27:01.000
  • PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT SPIRITUAL PASSPORT THAT IS
  • 00:27:01.020 --> 00:27:03.070
  • STAMPED FORGIVEN BY JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:27:03.090 --> 00:27:07.040
  • AND THAT'S WHY JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY,
  • 00:27:07.060 --> 00:27:08.240
  • THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
  • 00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:10.030
  • NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.
  • 00:27:10.050 --> 00:27:12.120
  • SO I WANT THIS TO BE A GREAT WITNESS TO
  • 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:14.040
  • NON-CHRISTIANS, BUT FOR CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:27:14.060 --> 00:27:16.280
  • THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOOK IS YOU NEED TO START PREPARING
  • 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.240
  • FOR HEAVEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, MATT AND LAURIE,
  • 00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:21.250
  • HERE'S THE PARADOX.
  • 00:27:21.270 --> 00:27:23.200
  • AS BRIEF AS LIFE IS HERE ON EARTH COMPARED TO THE
  • 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:27.150
  • ETERNALITY OF HEAVEN, HOW WE SPEND THESE FEW YEARS ON
  • 00:27:27.170 --> 00:27:30.260
  • EARTH DETERMINES THE KIND OF HEAVEN WE'RE
  • 00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:33.090
  • GOING TO EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:27:33.110 --> 00:27:34.250
  • I SAY IN THE BOOK WHAT WE DO ON EARTH REVERBERATES
  • 00:27:34.270 --> 00:27:38.140
  • IN THE HALLS OF HEAVEN FOREVER.
  • 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.250
  • - WOW.
  • 00:27:40.270 --> 00:27:41.280
  • - WOW. IT REALLY DOES MATTER.
  • 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.200
  • - IT DOES AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAY WANT TO TALK
  • 00:27:43.220 --> 00:27:45.210
  • ABOUT IS HEAVEN GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY?
  • 00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:48.180
  • BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.010
  • - LET'S GET TO THAT.
  • 00:27:51.030 --> 00:27:52.210
  • I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN IN A
  • 00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:55.090
  • GROUP OR HELL IN A GROUP.
  • 00:27:55.110 --> 00:27:56.240
  • - OR FAMILY.
  • 00:27:56.260 --> 00:27:57.290
  • - MY DAD USED TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
  • 00:27:58.010 --> 00:27:59.150
  • HE SAID SMOKING DOESN'T SEND YOU TO HELL,
  • 00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:01.150
  • BUT IT JUST MAKES YOU SMELL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
  • 00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.230
  • I'M NOT SURE WHY I SAID THAT.
  • 00:28:04.250 --> 00:28:07.150
  • AND SO OKAY, NEXT QUESTION.
  • 00:28:07.170 --> 00:28:10.200
  • BIG QUESTION FOR THE VIEWERS.
  • 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:14.070
  • YOU JUST SAID IT. WHERE ARE WE GOING?
  • 00:28:14.090 --> 00:28:16.080
  • - IS HEAVEN GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY?
  • 00:28:16.100 --> 00:28:18.210
  • AND THE ANSWER IS NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
  • 00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:20.290
  • - MATT CROUCH: REALLY?
  • 00:28:21.010 --> 00:28:22.110
  • - AND PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE THINK OF HEAVEN AS A
  • 00:28:22.130 --> 00:28:24.160
  • SANCTIFIED FORM OF SOCIALISM.
  • 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.210
  • WE ALL GET THE SAME SIZE HOUSE,
  • 00:28:26.230 --> 00:28:28.170
  • SAME PLOT OF LAND AND SO FORTH.
  • 00:28:28.190 --> 00:28:30.100
  • THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT REWARDS IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:34.000
  • THE BIBLE SAYS IN 2 CORINTHIANS 5,
  • 00:28:34.020 --> 00:28:36.030
  • ALL OF US WHO ARE CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:28:36.050 --> 00:28:38.000
  • 2 CORINTHIANS 5:10, WE MUST ALL APPEAR BEFORE THE
  • 00:28:38.020 --> 00:28:40.200
  • JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST THAT EACH ONE OF US MAY BE
  • 00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:43.220
  • REWARDED FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE BODY,
  • 00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.080
  • WHETHER IT BE GOOD, OR THE GREEK WORD IS WORTHLESS,
  • 00:28:46.100 --> 00:28:49.220
  • VALUELESS, BAD, WORTHLESS.
  • 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.020
  • AND I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:53.190
  • OUR GOOD WORKS ARE ABSOLUTELY USELESS IN
  • 00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:58.040
  • SECURING OUR PLACE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:28:58.060 --> 00:29:00.050
  • THAT'S BY THE GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:29:00.070 --> 00:29:02.060
  • BUT THE GOOD WORKS WE DO AFTER WE ARE SAVED HAVE A
  • 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:05.190
  • GREAT DEAL TO DO WITH THE KIND OF HEAVEN
  • 00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:07.090
  • THAT WE EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:29:07.110 --> 00:29:09.000
  • AND I TALK ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH IN THIS CHAPTER
  • 00:29:09.020 --> 00:29:11.080
  • ABOUT WHAT THESE REWARDS ARE.
  • 00:29:11.100 --> 00:29:13.050
  • PAUL COMPARES IT IN 1 CORINTHIANS 3,
  • 00:29:13.070 --> 00:29:15.150
  • HE SAYS OUR LIVES WILL GO THROUGH THE FIRE OF GOD'S
  • 00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:18.020
  • JUDGMENT, AND IF WE HAVE LIVES THAT ARE BUILT AROUND
  • 00:29:18.040 --> 00:29:21.090
  • ETERNAL THINGS, THEY COUNT AS GOLD,
  • 00:29:21.110 --> 00:29:23.160
  • SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONES; BUT IF OUR LIFE IS DEEMED
  • 00:29:23.180 --> 00:29:27.140
  • TO BE WOOD, HAY AND STUBBLE, IF IT BURNS UP,
  • 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.080
  • WE'LL BE SAVED THOUGH AS BY FIRE,
  • 00:29:30.100 --> 00:29:33.080
  • AND WE WILL SUFFER LOSS.
  • 00:29:33.100 --> 00:29:35.140
  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY WAIT A MINUTE, SUFFER LOSS?
  • 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.190
  • ARE YOU TELLING ME IT'S POSSIBLE WE'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:29:38.210 --> 00:29:40.170
  • REGRETS IN HEAVEN? YES.
  • 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:43.020
  • I THINK AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, WHEN WE
  • 00:29:43.040 --> 00:29:45.050
  • SEE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN OURS HAD WE BEEN MORE
  • 00:29:45.070 --> 00:29:47.250
  • FAITHFUL TO CHRIST, THERE WILL BE A MEASURE OF REGRET.
  • 00:29:47.270 --> 00:29:50.280
  • PEOPLE SAY HOW CAN THAT BE?
  • 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.180
  • HOW CAN YOU BE REGRETTING AND BE JOYFUL AT THE SAME
  • 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.020
  • TIME? I LIKE TO USE THIS ILLUSTRATION.
  • 00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:57.060
  • JUST IMAGINE, MATT AND LAURIE,
  • 00:29:57.080 --> 00:29:59.000
  • YOUR INSURANCE AGENT COMES BY TO SEE YOU AND SAYS I
  • 00:29:59.020 --> 00:30:01.220
  • WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POLICY, AND YOUR HOME IS
  • 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.010
  • UNDER-INSURED BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
  • 00:30:04.030 --> 00:30:07.020
  • YOU OUGHT TO UP YOUR INSURANCE.
  • 00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:08.160
  • YOU SAY WELL, WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:10.060
  • THAT NIGHT YOU AWAKEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
  • 00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:12.080
  • YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
  • 00:30:12.100 --> 00:30:14.100
  • MATT, YOU GRAB LAURIE AND YOU FIND A WAY OUT,
  • 00:30:14.120 --> 00:30:17.200
  • AND YOU THROW A CHAIR THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW,
  • 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.240
  • AND YOU'RE STANDING OUT ON YOUR LAWN WATCHING YOUR
  • 00:30:19.260 --> 00:30:22.040
  • HOUSE GO UP IN FLAMES.
  • 00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:24.080
  • WHAT WILL BE YOUR EMOTION AT THAT TIME?
  • 00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:26.180
  • CERTAINLY JOY THAT YOU ESCAPED THE FLAMES THAT
  • 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.290
  • WOULD HAVE KILLED YOU, BUT DON'T YOU IMAGINE THERE
  • 00:30:29.010 --> 00:30:31.050
  • WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF REGRET OVER, GEE,
  • 00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:33.170
  • I WISH I HAD DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
  • 00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:35.230
  • THE BIBLE SAYS THERE'S GONNA BE THAT SAME MIXED
  • 00:30:35.250 --> 00:30:38.130
  • EMOTION AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST.
  • 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:40.070
  • JOY THAT WE MADE IT INTO HEAVEN BUT SOME REGRET AS
  • 00:30:40.090 --> 00:30:43.250
  • WE SEE WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OURS HAD WE
  • 00:30:43.270 --> 00:30:45.190
  • BEEN MORE FAITHFUL.
  • 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.090
  • HERE'S THE MESSAGE OF HOPE RIGHT NOW TO OUR VIEWERS.
  • 00:30:47.110 --> 00:30:50.100
  • RIGHT NOW, IF YOU THINK YOUR LIFE WILL BE JUDGED TO
  • 00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:53.060
  • BE WOOD, HAY AND STUBBLE, WORTHLESS IN THE SIGHT OF
  • 00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:55.150
  • GOD, YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:30:55.170 --> 00:30:58.160
  • YOU CAN START PREPARING RIGHT NOW FOR THAT PLACE
  • 00:30:58.180 --> 00:31:01.140
  • CALLED HEAVEN, BUILDING YOUR LIFE AROUND THOSE
  • 00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.270
  • THINGS THAT COUNT FOR ETERNITY.
  • 00:31:03.290 --> 00:31:05.270
  • WHEN YOU GIVE TO YOUR CHURCH,
  • 00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:07.160
  • WHEN YOU GIVE TO TBN, WHEN YOU SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH
  • 00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:10.220
  • AN UNBELIEVER, YOU'RE DOING THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY
  • 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.100
  • WILL MAKE AN ETERNAL DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:15.030
  • - SO THAT JUST MAKES SO MUCH SENSE BECAUSE IF WE
  • 00:31:15.050 --> 00:31:21.080
  • THINK ABOUT SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP OUR EYES
  • 00:31:21.100 --> 00:31:23.210
  • ON HEAVEN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO, RIGHT?
  • 00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:25.260
  • WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK FORWARD,
  • 00:31:25.280 --> 00:31:27.090
  • LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING.
  • 00:31:27.110 --> 00:31:29.040
  • BUT TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT MAKES ME WANT
  • 00:31:29.060 --> 00:31:33.100
  • TO BE A BETTER PERSON DOWN HERE. SO MAYBE THAT'S THE
  • 00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:36.270
  • WHOLE REASON WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT--
  • 00:31:36.290 --> 00:31:39.240
  • - LAURIE, I CALL IT DEVELOPING THE "HERE/THERE" MENTALITY.
  • 00:31:39.260 --> 00:31:43.160
  • AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE IMAGE OF THE PERSON WHO
  • 00:31:43.180 --> 00:31:45.280
  • KNOWS HE'S GONNA BE MAKING A MOVE IN SIX MONTHS.
  • 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.110
  • WELL, HE'S GOT RESPONSIBILITIES TO FINISH
  • 00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.170
  • HERE ON EARTH IN THIS LOCATION AND DO WELL,
  • 00:31:50.190 --> 00:31:53.220
  • WHILE HE'S PREPARING FOR THE NEXT PLACE.
  • 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.180
  • WE'RE REALLY CITIZENS OF BOTH PLACES.
  • 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.140
  • WE'RE RESIDENTS OF EARTH AND CITIZENS IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.210
  • IT'S NOT EITHER/OR. WE HAVE TO DO BOTH WELL.
  • 00:32:00.230 --> 00:32:03.170
  • AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE PARADOX.
  • 00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:05.120
  • HOW WE SPEND THESE FEW YEARS REALLY DOES MAKE AN
  • 00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:08.060
  • ETERNAL DIFFERENCE IN THE KIND OF HEAVEN THAT WE'RE
  • 00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:11.190
  • GOING TO EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:13.120
  • - WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN" WITH
  • 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.130
  • PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS.
  • 00:32:15.150 --> 00:32:18.070
  • WE'VE GOT A CLIP WE'RE GONNA GO TO RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:21.010
  • NORMALLY HE'S NOT USUALLY SITTING ON THE COUCH WITH
  • 00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:23.190
  • US. HE'S USUALLY IN THIS BIG GIANT CHURCH CALLED
  • 00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.220
  • FIRST BAPTIST. WATCH THIS.
  • 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.230
  • - PASTOR JEFFRESS: WE CAN'T BE IN TWO LOCATIONS
  • 00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:29.240
  • AT ONCE. WE THINK THIS WORLD IS OUR HOME.
  • 00:32:29.260 --> 00:32:32.270
  • IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT.
  • 00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:34.240
  • IT IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
  • 00:32:34.260 --> 00:32:37.090
  • YES, WE HAVE PEOPLE WE LIKE AND WE LOVE HERE.
  • 00:32:37.110 --> 00:32:40.020
  • YES, GOD HAS GIVEN US AN ASSIGNMENT HERE ON EARTH
  • 00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:42.200
  • THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BUT IT'S TEMPORARY.
  • 00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:45.180
  • THIS IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
  • 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.130
  • AND AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO BE HERE,
  • 00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:50.240
  • WE CONTINUE NOT TO BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
  • 00:32:50.260 --> 00:32:53.070
  • THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.
  • 00:32:53.090 --> 00:32:54.180
  • BUT LOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS IN VERSE 8.
  • 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.070
  • WE ARE OF GOOD COURAGE, I SAY,
  • 00:32:56.090 --> 00:32:58.030
  • AND PREFER RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND TO
  • 00:32:58.050 --> 00:33:02.200
  • BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
  • 00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:05.200
  • THE TENSE THIS IS IN SUGGESTS A FOREVER
  • 00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:09.060
  • COMPLETED ACTION IN THE PAST.
  • 00:33:09.080 --> 00:33:11.280
  • WHAT HE IS SAYING IS I PREFER TO BE ONCE FOR ALL
  • 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.150
  • ABSENT FROM THE BODY SO THAT I CAN BE ONCE FOR ALL
  • 00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:20.060
  • AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
  • 00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:23.070
  • - PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS.
  • 00:33:23.270 --> 00:33:25.140
  • THAT WAS FROM FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
  • 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.050
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN IN THIS SEGMENT OF THE
  • 00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:30.130
  • PRAISE PROGRAM FROM BIG D.
  • 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:33.130
  • AND WE WELCOME YOU.
  • 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:34.270
  • IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE THIS SET IS,
  • 00:33:34.290 --> 00:33:37.110
  • THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW LOCATION--
  • 00:33:37.130 --> 00:33:39.070
  • - YOUR NEW STUDIO IN DALLAS.
  • 00:33:39.090 --> 00:33:41.040
  • - NOT QUITE HEAVEN BUT IT IS AMAZING.
  • 00:33:41.060 --> 00:33:44.110
  • SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BRAND-NEW HOME RIGHT HERE
  • 00:33:44.130 --> 00:33:48.120
  • IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND OUR FIRST GUEST IS
  • 00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:51.040
  • PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS. SO THANKS FOR BEING A PART.
  • 00:33:51.060 --> 00:33:53.200
  • - I'M HONORED TO BE HERE.
  • 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:54.280
  • - SHOW NUMBER ONE. - THANK YOU.
  • 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.200
  • - YEAH, SO WHAT WE WERE TALKING DURING THE BREAK
  • 00:33:56.220 --> 00:34:01.170
  • THERE JUST A SECOND, AND YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:34:01.190 --> 00:34:05.260
  • ARE WE GONNA BE KNOWN IN HEAVEN KIND OF LIKE WE ARE?
  • 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:10.050
  • ARE YOU GONNA BE PASTOR ROBERT?
  • 00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:12.010
  • ARE WE GONNA BE MATT AND LAURIE?
  • 00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:14.140
  • THE MARRIAGE THING, ARE WE GONNA BE MARRIED IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:34:14.160 --> 00:34:16.270
  • ALL THAT.
  • 00:34:16.290 --> 00:34:18.140
  • - BECAUSE WE WANT TO.
  • 00:34:18.160 --> 00:34:19.190
  • - HOW DO YOU SORT ALL THAT STUFF OUT?
  • 00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:21.200
  • - RIGHT? IS IT JUST ME?
  • 00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:24.010
  • - QUICK MATT.
  • 00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:25.290
  • - IS IT JUST ME?
  • 00:34:26.010 --> 00:34:27.170
  • - YES, DEAR. YES, DEAR. OF COURSE.
  • 00:34:27.190 --> 00:34:31.150
  • - NEVER MIND. [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:35.060
  • - WELL, AWAY FROM THAT FOR A MOMENT,
  • 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:37.210
  • BACK TO THE QUESTION.
  • 00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:40.010
  • I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST MYTHS ABOUT HEAVEN
  • 00:34:40.030 --> 00:34:42.170
  • THAT WHEN WE DIE WE BECOME SOMEBODY ELSE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:34:42.190 --> 00:34:45.200
  • NO, IT'S NOT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO GOES TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:34:45.220 --> 00:34:47.080
  • WE'RE THE ONES WHO GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:49.090
  • THERE'S A CONTINUUM OF OUR LIVES THAT BEGINS NOW AND
  • 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:52.040
  • CONTINUES THROUGH ETERNITY.
  • 00:34:52.060 --> 00:34:54.000
  • FOR EXAMPLE, WE RETAIN OUR SAME NAMES IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:34:54.020 --> 00:34:56.270
  • GOD MAY ADD AN ADDITIONAL NEW NAME LIKE HE DID FOR
  • 00:34:56.290 --> 00:35:00.030
  • PETER AND OTHERS BUT WE RETAIN OUR SAME NAMES.
  • 00:35:00.050 --> 00:35:02.120
  • YOU SAY HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
  • 00:35:02.140 --> 00:35:03.250
  • REMEMBER WHEN MOSES AND ELIJAH RETURNED TO BE WITH
  • 00:35:03.270 --> 00:35:06.150
  • JESUS ON THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION?
  • 00:35:06.170 --> 00:35:08.170
  • THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THEIR NAMES TO BURT AND ERNIE.
  • 00:35:08.190 --> 00:35:10.210
  • IT WAS STILL MOSES AND ELIJAH WHEN THEY CAME BACK.
  • 00:35:10.230 --> 00:35:13.170
  • THEY WERE THE SAME PEOPLE.
  • 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:15.130
  • - I'M SURE THEY WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.120
  • - SECONDLY, OUR BODIES.
  • 00:35:17.140 --> 00:35:19.190
  • WE'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:35:19.210 --> 00:35:22.140
  • YES, WE'VE GOT NEW RESURRECTION BODIES.
  • 00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:24.160
  • IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR NEW BODIES ARE GONNA BE
  • 00:35:24.180 --> 00:35:26.160
  • LIKE, LOOK AT JESUS' RESURRECTION BODY.
  • 00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:29.160
  • COLOSSIANS ONE SAYS HIS BODY WAS A PROTOTYPE.
  • 00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:32.250
  • IT WASN'T A ONE-TIME-ONLY BODY.
  • 00:35:32.270 --> 00:35:35.020
  • IT WAS A PROTOTYPE OF ALL OF US WHO ARE GONNA BE
  • 00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:37.240
  • RAISED FROM THE DEAD ONE DAY.
  • 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:39.040
  • JESUS' DISCIPLES RECOGNIZED HIM.
  • 00:35:39.060 --> 00:35:41.130
  • HE HAD FLESH AND BLOOD.
  • 00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:43.060
  • NO, THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM AT FIRST ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:45.030
  • THEY DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE HIM FRANKLY ,
  • 00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:47.130
  • BUT WHEN THEY DID LOOK AT HIM, THEY RECOGNIZED HIM.
  • 00:35:47.150 --> 00:35:49.240
  • WE'RE GONNA KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:51.090
  • I ACTUALLY BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA RETAIN A LOT OF THE
  • 00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:54.050
  • GIFTS AND INTERESTS THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US NOW.
  • 00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:57.060
  • WHY WOULD GOD WASTE TALENTS AND INTERESTS AND
  • 00:35:57.080 --> 00:36:00.050
  • PERSONALITIES ON US FOR THE FEW YEARS WE HAVE HERE ON
  • 00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:03.070
  • EARTH? I THINK WE'LL RETAIN THOSE IN HEAVEN AS WELL.
  • 00:36:03.090 --> 00:36:05.250
  • - I WAS ALWAYS HOPING THAT STUFF THAT YOU
  • 00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:07.190
  • WISH YOU COULD REALLY DO HERE THAT YOU WOULD
  • 00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:10.200
  • BE ABLE TO DO IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:36:10.220 --> 00:36:12.100
  • - THAT IS SUCH A GREAT POINT.
  • 00:36:12.120 --> 00:36:14.190
  • YOU KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME MOMS RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:16.190
  • AND YOU'RE THINKING BOY I'M SPENDING ALL OF MY TIME
  • 00:36:16.210 --> 00:36:20.140
  • TAKING CARE OF MY KIDS, TAKING CARE OF THE HOME.
  • 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:23.080
  • I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DESIRE TO WRITE,
  • 00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:26.160
  • OR TO DO THIS KIND OF MINISTRY, OR TO DO THIS.
  • 00:36:26.180 --> 00:36:29.080
  • WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE ONLY TIME TO DO THAT?
  • 00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:32.060
  • I DON'T THINK GOD WASTES THOSE GIFTS
  • 00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:33.220
  • AND INTERESTS ON PEOPLE.
  • 00:36:33.240 --> 00:36:34.290
  • - I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DESIRE TO DANCE.
  • 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.050
  • SO MAYBE I'LL BE ABLE TO DANCE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:40.160
  • - GOD'S NOT GONNA LET YOU DANCE. I PROMISE.
  • 00:36:40.180 --> 00:36:43.260
  • OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT, SO I HAVE A PRECIOUS LITTLE
  • 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:48.030
  • DADDY UP THERE, BUT NOW I HAVE A NEW ONE TOO BECAUSE
  • 00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:51.130
  • MY FATHER DIED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
  • 00:36:51.150 --> 00:36:53.040
  • BUT MY MOM MARRIED JUST THE LOVELIEST NEXT FATHER
  • 00:36:53.060 --> 00:36:58.110
  • FOR ME. AND SO HOW DOES THAT WORK?
  • 00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.150
  • - THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT
  • 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:03.210
  • EXPLAINS WHY WE WON'T HAVE THE MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:06.110
  • AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:08.230
  • PAUL MADE IT CLEAR THE MARRIAGE COMMITMENT,
  • 00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:11.180
  • IT IS ABSOLVED AT DEATH.
  • 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:15.070
  • IT NO LONGER REMAINS IN EFFECT BECAUSE THINK OF IT,
  • 00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:17.060
  • IN THAT INSTANCE.
  • 00:37:17.080 --> 00:37:18.270
  • - WE'RE ALL SATISFIED.
  • 00:37:18.290 --> 00:37:20.180
  • - WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE MATE?
  • 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:22.270
  • - SO IT'S LIKE A BIG PARTY UP THERE?
  • 00:37:22.290 --> 00:37:25.180
  • - EITHER YOU CONVERT TO MORMONISM AND HAVE MULTIPLE
  • 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:28.150
  • SPOUSES, OR YOU KNOW THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS MAYBE
  • 00:37:28.170 --> 00:37:31.280
  • THERE'S NO MARRIAGE.
  • 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:33.180
  • THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T KNOW OUR MATE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.270
  • IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE A GREAT
  • 00:37:35.290 --> 00:37:37.090
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
  • 00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.200
  • THINK ABOUT IT, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO BE WITH YOUR
  • 00:37:38.220 --> 00:37:41.150
  • MATE, KNOW YOUR MATE, AND TOGETHER BE ABLE TO LOOK
  • 00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:44.190
  • BACK ON YOUR LIFE ON EARTH AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE
  • 00:37:44.210 --> 00:37:47.170
  • THINGS, THE GOOD, THE BAD AND HORRIBLE,
  • 00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:50.030
  • AND SEE HOW GOD USED AND BROUGHT IT ALL TOGETHER TO
  • 00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:53.010
  • BRING YOU TO THAT POINT IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:37:53.030 --> 00:37:55.040
  • - I THINK YOU'RE TREADING ON SOME GROUND THERE THAT
  • 00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:58.090
  • WE OUGHT TO -- ABOUT THE WHOLE MATE THING.
  • 00:37:58.110 --> 00:38:01.170
  • I'M GETTING UNCOMFORTABLE.
  • 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:03.230
  • SEE, YOUR WIFE'S NOT HERE.
  • 00:38:03.250 --> 00:38:05.240
  • - BUT SHE'LL BE WATCHING, AND I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER
  • 00:38:05.260 --> 00:38:07.260
  • FOR THIS. I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THIS.
  • 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.170
  • - AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HIT YOU WITH SOMETHING
  • 00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.200
  • BECAUSE YOU'LL BE IN YOUR OWN HOME.
  • 00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:15.160
  • - AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT.
  • 00:38:15.180 --> 00:38:16.220
  • IT WILL NEVER MAKE THE AIR.
  • 00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:18.120
  • - YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIM THOUGH.
  • 00:38:18.140 --> 00:38:19.220
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:22.110
  • - SO I WANT TO MAKE A BOLD STATEMENT.
  • 00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:24.190
  • MAYBE YOU'LL CORRECT ME.
  • 00:38:24.210 --> 00:38:26.120
  • I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:38:26.140 --> 00:38:29.240
  • I JUST THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
  • 00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:33.050
  • - I REALLY WISH YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.
  • 00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:35.050
  • - SEE? AT LEAST YOU LAUGHED.
  • 00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:36.210
  • - NO, THAT'S NOT FUNNY.
  • 00:38:36.230 --> 00:38:38.110
  • - THAT GOES ALONG WITH JAIL IN HEAVEN IS PROBABLY...
  • 00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:40.270
  • - I GOT IT. SO BASICALLY -- NOW, LET ME ASK THIS
  • 00:38:40.290 --> 00:38:45.000
  • ONE TECHNICAL QUESTION.
  • 00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:46.200
  • I MEAN, THAT'S A JOKE, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:48.200
  • - IT'S A JOKE.
  • 00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:50.030
  • - BASICALLY, EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:38:50.050 --> 00:38:51.190
  • SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
  • 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:53.080
  • BUT A LOST PERSON WHO'S NEVER SURRENDERED TO CHRIST --
  • 00:38:53.100 --> 00:38:56.170
  • - RIGHT?
  • 00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:58.140
  • - DOESN'T GO AND FACE GOD OR CHRIST IN ANY
  • 00:38:58.160 --> 00:39:01.220
  • KIND OF A JUDGMENT?
  • 00:39:01.240 --> 00:39:03.110
  • SO IN ESSENCE, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN?
  • 00:39:03.130 --> 00:39:05.090
  • SO MAYBE THAT STATEMENT'S TRUER THAN -- EVERYONE'S
  • 00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:09.030
  • GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:10.240
  • SOME ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
  • 00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.220
  • IS THAT ACCURATE, OR IS THAT HAPPENING SOMEWHERE ELSE?
  • 00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:15.240
  • - LET ME SAY THIS POLITELY. NO, IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
  • 00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:18.060
  • - EVERYONE TELLS HIM THAT. WOULD YOU TELL HIM?
  • 00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:21.010
  • TELL HIM STOP SAYING THAT.
  • 00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:22.220
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:24.230
  • - BEAT THAT OUT OF HIM. YOU CAN HIT HIM FOR THAT.
  • 00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:26.160
  • - IT'S ABOUT THIS BOOK.
  • 00:39:26.180 --> 00:39:29.180
  • - OKAY, SERIOUSLY, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN?
  • 00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:31.040
  • - JESUS TALKED ABOUT IT IN LUKE 16.
  • 00:39:31.060 --> 00:39:32.260
  • REMEMBER WE SAID WHEN A BELIEVER DIES, HE
  • 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.160
  • IMMEDIATELY GOES INTO THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
  • 00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:36.140
  • JESUS CALLED IT PARADISE.
  • 00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:38.070
  • HE SAID TODAY, YOU'LL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.
  • 00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.090
  • IT'S CALLED ABRAHAM'S BOSOM. IT'S ALL THE SAME PLACE.
  • 00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:42.180
  • IT'S WITH THE LORD, AND THAT BELIEVERS BEGINS
  • 00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:45.070
  • EXPERIENCING THAT IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:47.000
  • JESUS TOLD THAT STORY ABOUT THE RICH MAN AND
  • 00:39:47.020 --> 00:39:49.080
  • LAZARUS WHEN HE DIED.
  • 00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:50.260
  • LAZARUS WENT TO BE WITH THE LORD IN ABRAHAM'S BOSOM.
  • 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.170
  • THE UNBELIEVER, WHEN HE DIES, IMMEDIATELY BEGINS TO
  • 00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:58.120
  • SUFFER IN THE PLACE CALLED HADES.
  • 00:39:58.140 --> 00:40:00.220
  • HADES IS THE TEMPORARY WAITING PLACE OF THE UNSAVED
  • 00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:03.250
  • DEAD, AND JUST AS A BELIEVER IMMEDIATELY BEGINS
  • 00:40:03.270 --> 00:40:06.200
  • EXPERIENCING BLESSING, THE UNBELIEVER IMMEDIATELY
  • 00:40:06.220 --> 00:40:09.020
  • BEGINS EXPERIENCING TORMENT. REMEMBER?
  • 00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:12.050
  • THE RICH MAN WAS IN TORMENT. HE WAS IN AGONY.
  • 00:40:12.070 --> 00:40:14.100
  • SO UNBELIEVERS BEGIN SUFFERING IMMEDIATELY, BUT
  • 00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:16.190
  • THAT'S NOT THEIR FINAL DESTINATION, EITHER, ANY
  • 00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:19.190
  • MORE THAN PARADISE IS OUR FINAL DESTINATION.
  • 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:22.010
  • REVELATION 20 SAYS THAT AFTER THE MILLENNIUM, ALL OF
  • 00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:25.150
  • THE UNSAVED DEAD ARE GOING TO BE RAISED TO A JUDGMENT
  • 00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:29.100
  • CALLED THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.
  • 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.140
  • - AND WHERE IS THAT?
  • 00:40:31.160 --> 00:40:33.000
  • - AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE.
  • 00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:34.180
  • - ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:36.040
  • - NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE.
  • 00:40:36.060 --> 00:40:37.250
  • - COULD IT BE HERE ON EARTH?
  • 00:40:37.270 --> 00:40:40.040
  • - REVELATION 20 INDICATES THAT HE SAW A THRONE,
  • 00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:44.130
  • JOHN SAW A THRONE SUSPENDED IN SPACE.
  • 00:40:44.150 --> 00:40:46.130
  • SO MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT, MATT,
  • 00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:49.270
  • IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN SPACE AT THAT POINT.
  • 00:40:49.290 --> 00:40:52.020
  • THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE IMMEDIATE PLACE, BUT
  • 00:40:52.040 --> 00:40:54.120
  • ULTIMATELY, FOR THAT JUDGMENT, IT COULD BE IN
  • 00:40:54.140 --> 00:40:56.200
  • SPACE AT SOME POINT.
  • 00:40:56.220 --> 00:40:58.150
  • BUT THAT GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT, ALL UNBELIEVERS
  • 00:40:58.170 --> 00:41:01.120
  • FROM THE TIME OF ADAM ON ARE RAISED.
  • 00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:03.140
  • AND YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING HOW THEY'RE JUDGED.
  • 00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:05.270
  • THE BIBLE SAYS, "AND I SAW THE BOOKS OPENED, AND THE
  • 00:41:05.290 --> 00:41:08.230
  • BOOK OF LIFE OPENED.
  • 00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:10.110
  • AND IF ANY MAN'S NAME WAS NOT FOUND IN THE BOOK OF
  • 00:41:10.130 --> 00:41:12.190
  • LIFE, HE WAS JUDGED BY THE THINGS IN THE BOOKS." THE
  • 00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:15.190
  • BOOKS ARE THE LIFT OF THOSE PERSON'S WORKS.
  • 00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:18.250
  • YOU SEE, A PERSON IS IN HELL BECAUSE HE SAYS, I DON'T
  • 00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:21.210
  • NEED THE GRACE OF GOD. I'LL BE JUDGED BY MY WORKS.
  • 00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:25.080
  • GOD SAYS, FINE, WE'LL JUDGE YOU ON THAT BASIS.
  • 00:41:25.100 --> 00:41:28.030
  • THE ONLY PROBLEM IS NO ONE'S WORKS WILL BE ENOUGH TO
  • 00:41:28.050 --> 00:41:30.180
  • MERIT ENTRY INTO HEAVEN.
  • 00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:33.010
  • AND AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE
  • 00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:36.110
  • WHERE SATAN, THE BEAST, THE FALSE PROPHET ALREADY ARE,
  • 00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:39.240
  • AND THEY ARE TORMENTED THERE DAY AND NIGHT
  • 00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:43.030
  • FOREVER AND EVER.
  • 00:41:43.050 --> 00:41:45.010
  • INTERESTINGLY, THAT WORD TRANSLATED "FOREVER AND
  • 00:41:45.030 --> 00:41:48.150
  • EVER", AIONAS, IS THE SAME WORD THAT'S USED TO DESCRIBE
  • 00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:51.240
  • THE ETERNALITY OF HEAVEN.
  • 00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.040
  • PEOPLE SAY, SO I JUST BELIEVE
  • 00:41:54.060 --> 00:41:56.130
  • UNBELIEVERS ARE DESTROYED.
  • 00:41:56.150 --> 00:41:58.020
  • NO, THEY SUFFER FOREVER JUST LIKE BELIEVERS
  • 00:41:58.040 --> 00:41:59.230
  • EXPERIENCING GOD'S BLESSING FOREVER.
  • 00:41:59.250 --> 00:42:01.190
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE ANYTHING WORSE THAN THAT?
  • 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:03.270
  • - OKAY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DON'T JUST TALK
  • 00:42:03.290 --> 00:42:07.120
  • ABOUT THESE PLACES.
  • 00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:09.080
  • LET'S MAKE SURE SOMEBODY CAN FIND THESE DESTINATIONS.
  • 00:42:09.100 --> 00:42:13.250
  • YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE CERTAINLY TALKING
  • 00:42:13.270 --> 00:42:17.040
  • ABOUT HEAVEN, AND YOU CERTAINLY GOT OUR ATTENTION
  • 00:42:17.060 --> 00:42:20.030
  • WITH THE LITTLE MOMENT THERE ABOUT HELL.
  • 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:23.070
  • AND SOMEBODY HAS BEEN MAYBE VIEWING AND, OH, THAT'S THAT
  • 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:27.050
  • GUY THAT'S ON FOX NEW ALL THE TIME,
  • 00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:28.230
  • OR THAT'S THAT GUY...
  • 00:42:28.250 --> 00:42:30.070
  • SO ULTIMATELY, THEY'VE TUNED IN.
  • 00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:33.060
  • THEY'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, AND WHAT IS THAT
  • 00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:36.090
  • SIMPLE PRAYER THAT SOMEBODY CAN PRAY THAT THEY CAN KNOW
  • 00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:40.280
  • THE JOY OF ETERNAL LIFE?
  • 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.190
  • PASTOR, JUST TO THE AUDIENCE HERE.
  • 00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:44.220
  • - YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS WE'VE ALL SINNED.
  • 00:42:44.240 --> 00:42:47.120
  • WE'VE ALL FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S PLAN.
  • 00:42:47.140 --> 00:42:49.090
  • YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED A BAPTIST PREACH TO
  • 00:42:49.110 --> 00:42:51.000
  • TELL YOU THAT.
  • 00:42:51.020 --> 00:42:52.150
  • WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S PLAN,
  • 00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:55.150
  • AND THE BIBLE SAYS EVERY SIN WE COMMIT MEANS THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:42:55.170 --> 00:42:59.260
  • A DEBT THAT WE OWE TO GOD.
  • 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.040
  • AND THE MORE WE SIN, THE BIGGER OUR DEBT BECOMES, AND
  • 00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:05.120
  • THE GREATEST CHOICE WE EVER MAKE IN LIFE IS WHO'S GOING
  • 00:43:05.140 --> 00:43:08.270
  • TO PAY OUR SIN DEBT FOR US?
  • 00:43:08.290 --> 00:43:11.180
  • WE CAN SAY, WELL, I'LL TRY TO PAY IT OFF BY MY GOOD
  • 00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:13.280
  • WORKS OR JOINING THE CHURCH OR GETTING BAPTIZED.
  • 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.010
  • IF YOU AND I TRY TO PAYOFF THAT DEBT OURSELVES, WE'LL
  • 00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:20.050
  • SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES AND ALL ETERNITY SEPARATED
  • 00:43:20.070 --> 00:43:24.080
  • FROM GOD TRYING TO PAY OFF THAT DEBT THAT CAN
  • 00:43:24.100 --> 00:43:26.190
  • NEVER BE PAID.
  • 00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:28.110
  • OR WE CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW JESUS TO PAY THAT DEBT FOR
  • 00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:31.050
  • US. AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
  • 00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:34.140
  • JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO NEVER SINNED, BUT HE
  • 00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:36.290
  • WILLINGLY HUNG ON THE CROSS 2000 YEARS AGO.
  • 00:43:37.010 --> 00:43:40.050
  • IN SOME INEXPLICABLE WAY, HE EXPERIENCED THE PUNISHMENT
  • 00:43:40.070 --> 00:43:44.210
  • YOU AND I DESERVE FOR OUR SINS FROM GOD.
  • 00:43:44.230 --> 00:43:47.130
  • AND THAT IS WHY SOME OF JESUS' FINAL WORDS ON THE
  • 00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:50.000
  • CROSS, JOHN 19:30, WERE THE WORDS, "IT IS FINISHED" ,
  • 00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:55.170
  • TETELESTAI IN GREEK, LITERALLY "PAID IN FULL".
  • 00:43:55.190 --> 00:44:00.230
  • AND I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU RIGHT NOW ARE READY AT THAT
  • 00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:04.100
  • POINT IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, I'M TIRED
  • 00:44:04.120 --> 00:44:06.220
  • OF TRYING TO EARN GOD'S FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:08.210
  • I REALIZE I CAN'T EARN IT MYSELF.
  • 00:44:08.230 --> 00:44:10.250
  • I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN I SHUT MY EYES HERE ON EARTH
  • 00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:14.180
  • FOR THE LAST TIME, I WANT TO BE WELCOMED
  • 00:44:14.200 --> 00:44:18.010
  • INTO GOD'S PRESENCE.
  • 00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:20.010
  • HOW CAN YOU MAKE SURE? RECEIVING GOD'S PAYMENT
  • 00:44:20.030 --> 00:44:22.040
  • FOR YOUR SIN.
  • 00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:24.000
  • TRUSTING CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR IS SO SIMPLE THAT
  • 00:44:24.020 --> 00:44:26.070
  • EVEN A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT.
  • 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:28.180
  • WE HAVE TO TELL GOD WE'RE TRULY SORRY FOR OUR SIN, AND
  • 00:44:28.200 --> 00:44:31.180
  • THEN SECONDLY, WE MUST BELIEVE IN, TRUST IN, JESUS
  • 00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:36.080
  • TO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS.
  • 00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:38.140
  • AND RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RECEIVE THAT GIFT OF
  • 00:44:38.160 --> 00:44:41.230
  • FORGIVENESS, I WANT TO INVITE YOU TO DO IT,
  • 00:44:41.250 --> 00:44:44.120
  • WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:44:44.140 --> 00:44:46.020
  • WOULD YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO,
  • 00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:48.260
  • WHEREVER YOU ARE, AND PRAY THIS SIMPLE PRAYER TO GOD.
  • 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.020
  • JUST FOLLOW ALONG.
  • 00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:53.160
  • PRAY THIS PRAYER IN YOUR HEART AS I PRAY IT OUT LOUD.
  • 00:44:53.180 --> 00:44:56.180
  • DEAR GOD, THANK YOU FOR LOVING ME.
  • 00:44:56.200 --> 00:45:01.050
  • I KNOW THAT I HAVE FAILED YOU IN SO MANY WAYS, AND I'M
  • 00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:05.100
  • TRULY SORRY FOR THE SIN IN MY LIFE.
  • 00:45:05.120 --> 00:45:08.040
  • BUT I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD ON THIS PROGRAM,
  • 00:45:08.060 --> 00:45:11.160
  • THAT YOU DON'T HATE ME. YOU LOVE ME.
  • 00:45:11.180 --> 00:45:13.230
  • YOU LOVE ME SO MUCH, YOU SENT YOUR SON JESUS TO DIE
  • 00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:17.290
  • ON THE CROSS FOR ME, TO TAKE THE PUNISHMENT
  • 00:45:18.010 --> 00:45:21.100
  • I DESERVE FOR MY SINS.
  • 00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:23.180
  • AND RIGHT NOW, I'M TRUSTING IN WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME,
  • 00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:27.250
  • NOT IN MY GOOD WORKS, BUT IN WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME TO
  • 00:45:27.270 --> 00:45:31.050
  • SAVE ME FROM MY SINS.
  • 00:45:31.070 --> 00:45:34.150
  • THANK YOU FOR FORGIVING ME, AND HELP ME TO SPEND THE
  • 00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.240
  • REST OF MY LIFE SERVING YOU.
  • 00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:40.180
  • AND I PRAY THAT IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
  • 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:45.050
  • IF YOU PRAYED THAT PRAYER WITH US RIGHT HERE ON
  • 00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.240
  • PRAISE, YOU'VE DONE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS YOU MUST DO TO BE
  • 00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:51.120
  • FORGIVEN OF YOUR SINS, AND ONE DAY, YOU CAN BE SURE
  • 00:45:51.140 --> 00:45:54.280
  • THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WELCOMED IN THAT
  • 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.140
  • PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:45:57.160 --> 00:45:58.270
  • - BEAUTIFUL, WOW.
  • 00:45:58.290 --> 00:46:00.190
  • PASTOR JEFFRESS, THERE COULDN'T BE A MORE
  • 00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:04.130
  • IMPORTANT TOPIC, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:07.000
  • I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE IN THAT MOMENT WHERE WE'RE
  • 00:46:07.020 --> 00:46:12.200
  • BEING JUDGED FOR GOOD WORKS, THE IDEA THAT WE'RE SITTING
  • 00:46:12.220 --> 00:46:17.220
  • HERE USING THE TELEVISION AND THE DISTRIBUTION
  • 00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:24.120
  • PLATFORM CALLED TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK AROUND
  • 00:46:24.140 --> 00:46:27.270
  • THE WORLD TO SIMPLY TALK ABOUT HEAVEN AND THEN GIVE
  • 00:46:27.290 --> 00:46:30.210
  • PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRAY A PRAYER, TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:33.140
  • GO TO HEAVEN, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS ABOUT AS GOOD OF A
  • 00:46:33.160 --> 00:46:38.040
  • WORK AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO, TO BE PUTTING YOUR TIME,
  • 00:46:38.060 --> 00:46:41.090
  • EFFORT AND ENERGY.
  • 00:46:41.110 --> 00:46:43.100
  • SO SIR, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT EXACT KIND OF RIGHT IN
  • 00:46:43.120 --> 00:46:48.140
  • THE MIDDLE OF THE TARGET.
  • 00:46:48.160 --> 00:46:50.060
  • WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
  • 00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:52.040
  • - THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:46:52.060 --> 00:46:53.230
  • - WE HELP PEOPLE GET THERE TODAY ON THIS BROADCAST.
  • 00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:56.050
  • GO AHEAD BABY.
  • 00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:58.140
  • - I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU JUST PRAYED THAT PRAYER,
  • 00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:00.160
  • THERE IS A PHONE NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN,
  • 00:47:00.180 --> 00:47:02.220
  • NOT THAT 800 NUMBER BUT THE...
  • 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:04.160
  • - THE OTHER NUMBER, THE 714.
  • 00:47:04.180 --> 00:47:06.050
  • - 714-731-1000.
  • 00:47:06.070 --> 00:47:08.000
  • PRAYER PARTNERS ARE STANDING BY RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:47:08.020 --> 00:47:10.080
  • WE LOVE, I LOVE TO GET THAT E-MAIL EVERY DAY WITH THE
  • 00:47:10.100 --> 00:47:12.290
  • REDEDICATIONS AND THE PRAISES AND THE SALVATIONS
  • 00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:16.140
  • OF WHO'S WATCHING ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
  • 00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:18.030
  • AND IF YOU JUST CALL US, OR YOU CAN CALL US OR WRITE US
  • 00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:21.030
  • THERE AT TBN.TV, AND JUST LOVE TO HEAR
  • 00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:23.130
  • WHAT YOUR STORY IS.
  • 00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:25.240
  • - AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING A NEW
  • 00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:27.220
  • CHRISTIAN CAN DO, SOMEBODY WHO PRAYED THAT PRAYER, IS
  • 00:47:27.240 --> 00:47:29.280
  • TO TELL SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY THAT YOU DID IT.
  • 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.120
  • CALL THAT PHONE NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:47:32.140 --> 00:47:34.060
  • THE FIRST PERSON YOU CAN TELL IS SOMEBODY FROM TBN.
  • 00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:37.050
  • THEY'LL BE AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO YOU.
  • 00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:38.250
  • - WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN, AND PASTOR JEFFRESS,
  • 00:47:38.270 --> 00:47:42.070
  • AGAIN, IS FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
  • 00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:44.180
  • HE HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT HEAVEN JUST A FEW
  • 00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:46.260
  • DAYS AGO. WATCH THIS.
  • 00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.290
  • - WHEN WE DIE, WE IMMEDIATELY BEGIN
  • 00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:52.110
  • EXPERIENCING EITHER GOD'S BLESSING OR GOD'S JUDGMENT.
  • 00:47:52.130 --> 00:47:57.140
  • AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT AT SOME FUTURE DAY, BELIEVERS
  • 00:47:57.160 --> 00:48:01.190
  • WILL CHANGE LOCATION FROM THE THIRD HEAVEN TO THE NEW
  • 00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:04.260
  • HEAVEN ON THIS NEW EARTH, AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT
  • 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.160
  • UNBELIEVERS WILL ALSO CHANGE LOCATIONS FROM HADES INTO
  • 00:48:08.180 --> 00:48:11.270
  • THE LAKE OF FIRE, A CHANGE OF LOCATION IS NOT THE SAME
  • 00:48:11.290 --> 00:48:17.020
  • AS A CHANGE OF ETERNAL DESTINY.
  • 00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:20.210
  • HEAVEN AND HELL ARE ETERNAL CHOICES.
  • 00:48:20.230 --> 00:48:24.130
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:26.160
  • - BEAUTIFUL. PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS AND US.
  • 00:48:26.180 --> 00:48:29.210
  • WE ARE SITTING HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
  • 00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:32.150
  • IF THIS LOOKS NEW, THIS SET THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS
  • 00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:35.160
  • BROADCAST, IT IS NEW.
  • 00:48:35.180 --> 00:48:36.280
  • - IT IS.
  • 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.170
  • - FIRST TIME I GOT TO SEE IT WAS JUST A FEW MINUTES
  • 00:48:38.190 --> 00:48:40.160
  • AGO, AND PASTOR, THANKS FOR BEING ON SHOW NUMBER ONE.
  • 00:48:40.180 --> 00:48:43.190
  • BEAUTIFUL NEW STUDIO FACILITY HERE
  • 00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:46.250
  • IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
  • 00:48:46.270 --> 00:48:48.130
  • - SAME PLACE, THOUGH, RIGHT HERE IN IRVING.
  • 00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:50.060
  • - YES, THE TORE UP FREEWAY OUT IN FRONT OF HERE CALLED
  • 00:48:50.080 --> 00:48:53.080
  • THE 183 IN BETWEEN DALLAS AND FORTWORTH, IN BETWEEN
  • 00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:56.030
  • THE AIRPORT AND DALLAS, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND THINK THIS
  • 00:48:56.050 --> 00:49:01.060
  • YOU'RE IN WASHINGTON D.C., AND YOU LOOK OVER AND SEE THE
  • 00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:03.250
  • WHITE HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
  • 00:49:03.270 --> 00:49:05.150
  • - THAT'S US. - OKAY. SO --
  • 00:49:05.170 --> 00:49:08.070
  • - THANK YOU DONALD AND MELANIA FOR HAVING US.
  • 00:49:08.090 --> 00:49:09.290
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:13.160
  • - HA HA, FUNNY.
  • 00:49:13.180 --> 00:49:15.130
  • OKAY, SO IS THERE GOING TO BE SHOCKED, SURPRISED PEOPLE
  • 00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:20.060
  • IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:49:20.080 --> 00:49:22.250
  • I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT MAYBE THINK, HEY, I'M A GOOD PERSON.
  • 00:49:22.270 --> 00:49:25.250
  • GIVE US SOME OF THE REACTIONS IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:49:25.270 --> 00:49:29.110
  • - IT'S GOING TO BE THE WORST SURPRISE OF ALL FOR
  • 00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:31.220
  • SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT WELCOMED INTO HEAVEN.
  • 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:34.170
  • I KIND OF GOT A TASTE OF THAT, WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE.
  • 00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:38.020
  • A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I WAS A YOUTH MINISTER AT THE
  • 00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:41.010
  • CHURCH I NOW PASTOR, FIRST BAPTIST DALLAS.
  • 00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:42.290
  • WE TOOK A GROUP OF 200 TEENAGERS TO THE SOVIET UNION.
  • 00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:46.130
  • IT WAS IN 1978, THE MIDDLE OF THE COLD WAR.
  • 00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.290
  • I MEAN, IT WAS OPPRESSIVE.
  • 00:49:49.010 --> 00:49:50.200
  • WE COULDN'T WAIT TO GET OUT OF THERE.
  • 00:49:50.220 --> 00:49:52.190
  • SO THE NIGHT CAME WE WERE GOING TO FLY OUT OF MOSCOW;
  • 00:49:52.210 --> 00:49:54.250
  • MIDNIGHT, HEADED TO ROME, AND SO I SENT ALL THE KID
  • 00:49:54.270 --> 00:49:58.080
  • THROUGH PASSPORT CONTROL FIRST SINCE I WAS THE
  • 00:49:58.100 --> 00:50:00.070
  • LEADER.
  • 00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:01.220
  • MY WIFE, WE HAD JUST BEEN MARRIED A YEAR, WENT THROUGH.
  • 00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:03.150
  • I WAS THE LAST GUY, AND SO I REACH INTO MY POCKET LOOKING
  • 00:50:03.170 --> 00:50:06.000
  • FOR MY PASSPORT, CAN'T FIND IT.
  • 00:50:06.020 --> 00:50:09.230
  • - OH, DEAR.
  • 00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:11.120
  • - LOOK OVER HERE. CAN'T FIND IT.
  • 00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:13.040
  • THEY'RE ANNOUNCING THE FLIGHT.
  • 00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.200
  • I TELL THE SOVIET GUARD, I SAID, THAT'S MY GROUP.
  • 00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:17.140
  • I'VE GOT TO LEAD THEM, AND I'M HERE, AND THEY'RE THERE.
  • 00:50:17.160 --> 00:50:19.220
  • HE COULDN'T HAVE CARED LESS.
  • 00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:21.150
  • MY WIFE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:50:21.170 --> 00:50:23.030
  • SHE'S STARTING TO CRY IMAGINING ME IN A RUSSIAN
  • 00:50:23.050 --> 00:50:25.210
  • GULAG FOR THE REST OF OUR MARRIAGE AND IS FORTH.
  • 00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:28.140
  • AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, A FRIEND ON THE OTHER SIDE
  • 00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:31.030
  • STARTED LAUGHING.
  • 00:50:31.050 --> 00:50:33.120
  • HE REACHED INTO HIS POCKET AND PULLED OUT MY PASSPORT.
  • 00:50:33.140 --> 00:50:37.070
  • HE HAD TAKEN IT AS A JOKE.
  • 00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:39.090
  • - OH, COME ON!
  • 00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.090
  • - I THINK HE'S IN THE OTHER PLACE ONE DAY FOR DOING THAT.
  • 00:50:41.110 --> 00:50:43.180
  • - HE'S NOT. HE'S GOING TO BE IN JAIL IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:45.080
  • - BUT YOU KNOW, I GOT A SENSE OF SOME OF THE PANIC
  • 00:50:45.100 --> 00:50:48.170
  • THAT JESUS TALKED ABOUT IN MATTHEW 7.
  • 00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.140
  • HE SAID ON THE JUDGMENT DAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
  • 00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:52.270
  • BEGGING GOD TO BE ALLOWED INTO HEAVEN SAYING, LORD,
  • 00:50:52.290 --> 00:50:55.230
  • DID WE NOT DO THIS?
  • 00:50:55.250 --> 00:50:57.190
  • DID WE NOT PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME?
  • 00:50:57.210 --> 00:50:59.080
  • DID WE NOT WORK MIRACLES?
  • 00:50:59.100 --> 00:51:01.070
  • I MEAN, THESE AREN'T ATHEISTS.
  • 00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:04.050
  • THESE AREN'T FOLLOWERS OF PAGAN RELIGIONS.
  • 00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:06.200
  • THESE ARE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ARGUING
  • 00:51:06.220 --> 00:51:09.160
  • AND BEGGING FOR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN, AND JESUS IS
  • 00:51:09.180 --> 00:51:12.010
  • GOING TO SAY, "DEPART FROM ME.
  • 00:51:12.030 --> 00:51:14.150
  • I NEVER KNEW YOU." SO IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE FOR
  • 00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:17.080
  • PEOPLE TO BE SURPRISED.
  • 00:51:17.100 --> 00:51:19.030
  • - WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
  • 00:51:19.050 --> 00:51:21.120
  • - WELL, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DELUDED INTO THINKING
  • 00:51:21.140 --> 00:51:24.080
  • THAT EITHER IT DOESN'T EXIST TO BEGIN WITH, OR SECONDLY,
  • 00:51:24.100 --> 00:51:28.120
  • THAT REALLY ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEAVEN, LIKE SO MANY
  • 00:51:28.140 --> 00:51:31.260
  • PEOPLE BELIEVE, OR THEY'RE GOOD ENOUGH TO ENTER INTO
  • 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.280
  • HEAVEN, AND THEY'VE REJECTED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.110
  • OR, LAURIE, SIMPLY NEGLECTED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS.
  • 00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:41.260
  • AND THAT'S WHY I SAY TO OUR VIEWERS RIGHT NOW, DON'T
  • 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.110
  • DELAY THIS DECISION.
  • 00:51:44.130 --> 00:51:46.080
  • THE BIBLE SAYS TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.
  • 00:51:46.100 --> 00:51:48.210
  • - YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT SOME OF THE
  • 00:51:48.230 --> 00:51:50.150
  • PEOPLE WE SEE IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:51:50.170 --> 00:51:52.060
  • - YES, YES, AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE MORE SHOCKED
  • 00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:54.010
  • TO SEE US IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:51:54.030 --> 00:51:56.080
  • - THAT'S RIGHT, SURPRISE.
  • 00:51:56.100 --> 00:51:57.290
  • - LIKE WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BE SHOCKED TO SEE IN HEAVEN?
  • 00:51:58.010 --> 00:51:59.190
  • GIVE ME SOME NAMES. - OH, MY GOSH.
  • 00:51:59.210 --> 00:52:01.130
  • [LAUGHTER] OFF CAMERA.
  • 00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:03.230
  • - SO LET ME TELL YOU, HOW MUCH TIME
  • 00:52:03.250 --> 00:52:08.040
  • DO WE HAVE? OKAY.
  • 00:52:08.060 --> 00:52:10.010
  • LET ME TELL YOU, SOME FRIENDS, PASTOR ASHLEY EVANS
  • 00:52:10.030 --> 00:52:13.110
  • THAT PASTORS HERE IN ATLANTA, HE HAS
  • 00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:18.180
  • A PILE OF KIDS.
  • 00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:20.060
  • WHEN ONE OF THEM WAS KIND OF JUST A LITTLE GUY, MAYBE
  • 00:52:20.080 --> 00:52:25.060
  • EVEN TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD, WANDERED OFF AT DISNEYLAND.
  • 00:52:25.080 --> 00:52:29.130
  • TWO HOURS LATER, HE WASN'T FOUND,
  • 00:52:29.150 --> 00:52:33.070
  • SO IT WAS A FULL BLOWN...
  • 00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:35.120
  • - FRANTIC OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
  • 00:52:35.140 --> 00:52:37.050
  • - PANIC BUTTON THING.
  • 00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:39.050
  • THEY WERE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA AT THE TIME, SO
  • 00:52:39.070 --> 00:52:41.140
  • THEY'RE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, AND ONE OF THEIR
  • 00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:45.020
  • CHILDREN IS GONE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS.
  • 00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:47.220
  • THE WAY THAT THE LORD ODDLY ENOUGH CALMED HIM DOWN, OR
  • 00:52:47.240 --> 00:52:52.050
  • CALMED HIS SHEER PANIC DOWN, WAS THE LORD REALLY KIND OF
  • 00:52:52.070 --> 00:52:56.000
  • WAS ALMOST ENGAGING HIM IN A WAY AND SAID,
  • 00:52:56.020 --> 00:53:01.220
  • WHAT ARE YOU FEELING?
  • 00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:04.090
  • AND HIS THOUGHT WAS, I'M FEELING PANIC.
  • 00:53:04.110 --> 00:53:08.240
  • AND THE LORD SEEMED TO DESCRIBE TO HIM, THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:53:08.260 --> 00:53:11.130
  • I FEEL FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVERY DAY.
  • 00:53:11.150 --> 00:53:14.240
  • - LOST SOUL.
  • 00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:17.070
  • - EVERY LOST SOUL IS A PANIC FEELING.
  • 00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:19.080
  • SO THE IDEA THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEAVEN,
  • 00:53:19.100 --> 00:53:23.050
  • COULD THERE BE A MORE IMPORTANT SUBJECT?
  • 00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:26.140
  • THE ONLY EQUIVALENT IS HELL BECAUSE YOUR CHOICE.
  • 00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:32.030
  • SO TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
  • 00:53:32.050 --> 00:53:37.030
  • THE 800 NUMBER.
  • 00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:39.060
  • AND THE REASON WE PUT AN 800 NUMBER ON THE SCREEN FOR
  • 00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:43.220
  • THESE BOOKS IS BECAUSE IT'S A PLACE -- A PLACE.
  • 00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:48.050
  • IT'S NOT HEAVEN, IT'S A CALL CENTER.
  • 00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:50.200
  • BUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE ARE READY TO TAKE YOUR
  • 00:53:50.220 --> 00:53:54.180
  • CALL FOR THIS BOOK.
  • 00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:56.180
  • IT'S NOT LIKE HELLO, CAN I HELP YOU?
  • 00:53:56.200 --> 00:53:59.090
  • SO WE HAVE ORGANIZED, THE OPERATOR UNDERSTANDS WHAT
  • 00:53:59.110 --> 00:54:04.060
  • YOU'RE CALLING ABOUT.
  • 00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:06.020
  • THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY SPECIFIC NUMBERS, AND WE
  • 00:54:06.040 --> 00:54:08.260
  • TRY, WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU
  • 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.060
  • TO GET THIS BOOK.
  • 00:54:12.080 --> 00:54:14.130
  • A FEW LAST THINGS, ANYTHING YOU MISSED THAT YOU WANT TO
  • 00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:19.000
  • TALK ABOUT IN REGARD TO THIS?
  • 00:54:19.020 --> 00:54:20.170
  • - LOOK, LET ME JUST SAY.
  • 00:54:20.190 --> 00:54:22.160
  • RIGHT NOW PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND NON-CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:54:22.180 --> 00:54:24.290
  • ARE HUNGRY FOR MESSAGE OF HEAVEN.
  • 00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:26.260
  • THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING
  • 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.200
  • IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:54:28.220 --> 00:54:30.140
  • I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL
  • 00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:32.040
  • THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:54:32.060 --> 00:54:33.200
  • THIS IS THE EASIEST, MOST NON-THREATENING WAY YOU
  • 00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:36.070
  • CAN SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH SOMEBODY.
  • 00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:37.230
  • JUST GIVE THEM THIS BOOK.
  • 00:54:37.250 --> 00:54:39.130
  • THEY'LL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HEAVEN.
  • 00:54:39.150 --> 00:54:41.060
  • THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY DIE.
  • 00:54:41.080 --> 00:54:43.190
  • I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET A COUPLE OF COPIES AND USE
  • 00:54:43.210 --> 00:54:46.160
  • IT AS A WITNESS TO SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS TO
  • 00:54:46.180 --> 00:54:48.090
  • KNOW CHRIST YOU SEE.
  • 00:54:48.110 --> 00:54:50.030
  • - DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE SIMPLE TIPS?
  • 00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:52.240
  • WE TALK ABOUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
  • 00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:55.280
  • WE SHOULD GET OUR MINDS OFF THE NASTY NOW AND
  • 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.050
  • LOOK FOR HEAVEN.
  • 00:54:59.070 --> 00:55:01.140
  • DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE TIPS FOR US TO, HOW WE
  • 00:55:01.160 --> 00:55:04.230
  • SHOULD DO THAT?
  • 00:55:04.250 --> 00:55:06.270
  • - I HAVE A DEACON FRIEND IN THE LAST CHURCH.
  • 00:55:06.290 --> 00:55:08.210
  • HE WAS 67 YEARS OLD.
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  • I WENT INTO HIS OFFICE ONE DAY, AND ON THE BLACK
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  • BOARD THERE WAS A LITTLE CHALK MARK.
  • 00:55:11.180 --> 00:55:13.090
  • I SAID, "WHAT ARE ALL THOSE CHALK MARKS?"
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  • HE SAID, "IT'S A LIST OF THE NUMBER OF DAYS I HAVE LEFT
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  • UNTIL I DIE IF LIVE TO 70." HE SAID, "EVERY DAY, THE
  • 00:55:18.130 --> 00:55:22.100
  • FIRST THING I DO IS ERASE ONE OF THOSE MARKS TO REMIND
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  • ME HOW SHORT MY TIME ON EARTH IS." AND I THINK
  • 00:55:26.020 --> 00:55:29.040
  • WHATEVER WE CAN DO, MOSES SAID, TEACH US TO NUMBER OUR
  • 00:55:29.060 --> 00:55:32.040
  • DAYS AND RECOGNIZE HOW FEW THEY ARE SO THAT WE CAN
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  • SPEND THEM AS WE SHOULD.
  • 00:55:35.010 --> 00:55:36.290
  • THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THINKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
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  • - THERE YOU GO, OKAY.
  • 00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:41.020
  • THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.
  • 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.200
  • - WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN." THE
  • 00:55:42.220 --> 00:55:45.080
  • 800 NUMBER IS THERE ON THE SCREEN.
  • 00:55:45.100 --> 00:55:48.130
  • IT'S REAL BIG.
  • 00:55:48.150 --> 00:55:50.230
  • I'LL READ IT OFF FOR YOU IF YOU'RE SITTING FAR FROM YOUR
  • 00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:52.210
  • TV AND GETTING READY TO DIAL YOUR PHONE.
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  • 800-780-3643, AND "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN"
  • 00:55:55.060 --> 00:56:03.050
  • WILL BE SENT TO YOU.
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  • OKAY, PASTOR JEFFRESS, OFF CAMERA, YOU TOLL ME THAT THE
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  • ONLY THING THAT YOU EVER WANT IS THE
  • 00:56:07.130 --> 00:56:08.290
  • FINAL WORD, SO...
  • 00:56:09.010 --> 00:56:11.170
  • - COMPLETELY MADE UP, COMPLETELY MADE UP.
  • 00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:15.160
  • - THAT'S NOT IN SCRIPTURE EITHER.
  • 00:56:15.180 --> 00:56:17.130
  • IN THE LAST ONE MINUTE, JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET UP
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  • OFF THE COUCH BEFORE YOU HAVE SAID WHATEVER
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  • YOU WANT TO SAY.
  • 00:56:23.190 --> 00:56:25.040
  • DON'T LET THIS MOMENT GO BY, BUT JUST TAKE THE LAST
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  • MINUTE, IF YOU WOULD, SIR.
  • 00:56:27.060 --> 00:56:29.000
  • - I'M GOING TO LET JESUS HAVE THE LAST WORD
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  • ON THIS, IF I COULD.
  • 00:56:30.210 --> 00:56:32.030
  • - THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
  • 00:56:32.050 --> 00:56:33.230
  • - YOU KNOW, JESUS TALKED ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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  • THAT WORD "PLACE", TOPOS IN GREEK, MEANS IT'S
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  • A REAL LOCATION.
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  • JESUS SAID, "FOR I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, AND
  • 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.180
  • IF I GO AND PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN
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  • AND TAKE YOU UNTO MYSELF THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU
  • 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.200
  • MAY BE ALSO." THAT'S THE GREAT HOPE FOR EVERYONE WHO
  • 00:56:47.220 --> 00:56:50.250
  • KNOWS CHRIST AS SAVIOR.
  • 00:56:50.270 --> 00:56:52.080
  • - BEAUTIFUL JOB, SIR.
  • 00:56:52.100 --> 00:56:54.000
  • - THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
  • 00:56:54.020 --> 00:56:55.190
  • - "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN". GET IT.
  • 00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:57.250
  • THE 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
  • 00:56:57.270 --> 00:56:59.110
  • LAURIE AND I AND PASTOR JEFFRESS --
  • 00:56:59.130 --> 00:57:02.090
  • - PLANNING ON GOING. - WE'RE PLANNING ON GOING.
  • 00:57:02.110 --> 00:57:04.200
  • - WE'LL SEE YOU THERE.
  • 00:57:04.220 --> 00:57:07.010
  • - AND THIS NEW SET, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
  • 00:57:07.030 --> 00:57:08.230
  • WE'RE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BYE BYE.
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