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Praise | October 13, 2017

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October 13, 2017

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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Dr. Robert Jeffress.

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- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT FROM DALLAS, TEXAS ...
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- DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS: WHAT WILL WE DO IN HEAVEN FOR
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ALL ETERNITY?
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WILL HEAVEN BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE?
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WILL WE KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN?
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- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS
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SHARES INSIGHTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT OUR
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ETERNAL HOME.
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- DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS: C.S. LEWIS
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ONCE SAID, HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT THE
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CHRISTIANS WHO ARE MOST EFFECTIVE IN THIS WORLD
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ARE THE ONES WHO THINK MOST ABOUT THE NEXT WORLD.
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- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: ARE YOU HEAVENLY MINDED?
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NEXT ON PRAISE!
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[ APPLAUSE ]
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- MATT CROUCH: WELCOME YOU TO DALLAS, TEXAS TODAY.
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BIG D IS THE PLACE OF PRAISE TODAY.
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I'M GOING TO QUOTE FROM A BOOK BY ROBERT JEFFRESS,
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NEARLY DEAD IS NOT DEAD AS MIRACLE MAX TOLD
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INDIGO MONTOYA IN THE MOVIE THE "PRINCESS BRIDE".
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- LAURIE CROUCH: ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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- YOUR FRIEND IS ONLY MOSTLY DEAD.
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THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MOSTLY DEAD AND
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ALL DEAD.
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MOSTLY DEAD IS STILL ALIVE.
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WITH ALL DEAD, WELL, WITH ALL DEAD, THERE'S ONLY
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ONE THING YOU CAN DO, GO THROUGH HIS CLOTHES AND
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LOOK FOR LOOSE CHANGE.
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THAT IS FROM THE BOOK A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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AND ROBERT JEFFRESS, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
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AND WHY TODAY?
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- DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS: THAT'S AN
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INTERESTING QUOTE TO LEAD THIS SERIES OFF ON.
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- I GOT IT OUT OF YOUR BOOK.
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- I KNOW.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BE ALL DEAD ONE DAY, BUT THE
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GOOD NEWS IS ALL DEAD IS NOT THE END.
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IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING SPECIALLY FOR CHRISTIANS.
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THERE'S A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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AND YOU KNOW, MATT AND LAURIE,A LOT OF PEOPLE
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WOULD WONDER WITH ALL THAT'S GOING ON IN THE
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WORLD RIGHT NOW, HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES,
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MASS SHOOTINGS, CHAOS IN WASHINGTON, NUCLEAR WAR
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POSSIBLY WITH NORTH KOREA, WHY IN THE WORLD
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WOULD WE WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT HEAVEN?
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WELL, THAT KIND OF ANSWERS THE QUESTION,
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DOESN'T IT?
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WE NEED TO KNOW THAT GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER
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PREPARED FOR US.
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AND YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING I WAS TALKING
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ON FOX LAST WEEK ABOUT THE LAS VEGAS MASSACRE,
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AND THE HOST WAS ASKING, WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?
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WELL, THE BIBLE NEVER ANSWERS THE WHY QUESTION
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COMPLETELY, BUT IT DOES ADD ONE WORD TO
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SUFFERING, AND THAT WORD IS TEMPORARY.
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WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT
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ALWAYS GOING TO GO THROUGH.
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THERE IS A BETTER PLACE, THAT PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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SO THIS MESSAGE OF HEAVEN I WROTE TO BE AN
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ENCOURAGEMENT TO PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
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THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU'RE
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A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, GOD HAS SOMETHING
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BETTER FOR YOU.
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BUT THERE'S ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS BOOK AS
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WELL AND TO BE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
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QUITE FRANKLY OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR AUDIENCE
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RIGHT NOW IS SAYING WELL, MY LIFE IS JUST FINE.
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I'M BUSY WITH WORK, TRYING TO RAISE CHILDREN,
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TRYING TO EARN A LIVING.
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I'VE GOT SO MUCH GOING ON IN MY WORLD WHY DO I NEED
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TO THINK ABOUT THAT NEXT WORLD?
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AND I'D ASK OUR VIEWERS TO JUST THINK ABOUT THIS.
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SUPPOSE YOUR COMPANY WERE TO TELL YOU THAT IN SIX
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MONTHS THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE YOU TO A FOREIGN
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COUNTRY THAT YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT?
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SAY LONDON, ENGLAND, AND YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING
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TO MOVE THERE IN SIX MONTHS, AND FURTHERMORE,
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IT WAS GOING TO BE A PERMANENT MOVE.
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YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LONDON, ENGLAND.
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DON'T YOU THINK YOU WOULD SPEND THE NEXT SIX MONTHS
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LEARNING EVERYTHING YOU COULD ABOUT THAT NEW
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LOCATION AND MAKING EVERY PREPARATION TO MOVE THERE?
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- WOW.
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- WELL, THE FACT IS IF WE'RE CHRISTIANS WE'RE
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ALL GOING TO MAKE A MOVE ONE DAY TO A PERMANENT,
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REAL LOCATION, TO A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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IT ONLY MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING WE
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COULD NOW TO LEARN ABOUT THAT PLACE AND TO PREPARE
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FOR THE MOVE.
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AND THAT'S WHAT I DO IN A BOOK, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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I HOPE PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT HEAVEN BY ANSWERING THE
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TEN MOST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE
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ABOUT HEAVEN, AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
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FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY.
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- THE FIRST QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND WITH
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ME IS, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO HEAVEN?
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- WELL, THE ALTERNATIVE IS NOT JUST DEAD.
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IT'S HELL.
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THE BIBLE SAYS HELL IS A REAL PLACE.
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IN FACT, INTERESTINGLY, MATT AND LAURIE, OF THE
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1330 VERSES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT RECORD THE
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WORDS OF JESUS, 13% OF THEM DEAL WITH THE
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REALITY OF HELL.
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IN FACT, IF YOU DO THE WORD COUNT, JESUS TALKED
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MORE ABOUT HELL THAN HE DID ABOUT HEAVEN.
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- MATT CROUCH: WOW.
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- AND HE SAID IT IS A PLACE OF PHYSICAL TORMENT.
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HE SAID IT IS A PLACE OF WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
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THE WORST THING ABOUT HELL IS IT'S AN
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IRREVOCABLE DESTINATION.
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ONCE YOU CLOSURE EYES HERE ON EARTH AND WAKE UP
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IN HEAVEN OR HELL, YOU NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO
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CHANGE YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY.
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AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE OBJECT TO THE IDEA OF HELL.
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THEY'RE REPULSED.
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THEY'RE OFFENDED BY THE IDEA OF HELL, AND I SAY
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TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT RESPONSE, REMEMBER, JUST
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ABOUT EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT HELL CAME FROM THE
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LIPS OF JESUS HIMSELF.
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- WOW.
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- AND IF JESUS WAS WRONG ABOUT HELL, THEN HE'S
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WRONG ABOUT HEAVEN.
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THE FACT IS BOTH HEAVEN AND HELL ARE REAL
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POSSIBLE DESTINATIONS.
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- WOW. TWO THINGS.
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UM, SO FAR I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IF YOU JUST
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TUNED IN WE ARE IN A BRAND-NEW PLACE.
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IT'S NOT HEAVEN OR HELL.
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IT'S DALLAS, TEXAS BUT IT IS A VERY NEW --
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- A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL THIS HEAVEN ON EARTH.
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- NEW HOME TO US, THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW SET THAT WE
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ARE SITTING IN. THIS IS SHOW NUMBER 1, DOCTOR JEFFRESS.
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- I AM HONORED.
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THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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- THIS PROGRAM TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING
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ABOUT A PLACE, AND IT IS HEAVEN.
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SO FIRST OF ALL, TWO THINGS, THANK YOU FOR
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MAKING A QUOTE OUT OF PRINCESS BRIDE IN YOUR
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BOOK [ LAUGHTER ] BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT MOVIE.
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AND YOUR TIE IS LOVELY.
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- OH, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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- I HAVE A QUESTION.
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- YEP.
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- WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE NOT THINK ABOUT HEAVEN?
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A LOT OF PEOPLE -- WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT MUCH.
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- WE DON'T.
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AND YOU KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD THIS, LAURIE,
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PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SO
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HEAVENLY MINDED THEY'RE NO EARTHLY GOOD.
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I'VE NEVER MET A PERSON LIKE THAT.
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- YEAH.
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- I'VE NEVER MET A PERSON WHO THINKS TOO
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MUCH ABOUT HEAVEN.
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C.S. LEWIS SAID, I QUOTED IN THE OPEN, HE SAID, THE
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PROBLEM WITH MOST CHRISTIANS IS NOT THAT WE
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THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT HEAVEN BUT WE THINK ABOUT
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IT TOO LITTLE.
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IN FACT, HE SAID IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY YOU'LL
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DISCOVER THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE BIGGEST
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DIFFERENCE IN THIS WORLD WERE THOSE WHO THOUGHT
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MOST ABOUT THE NEXT WORLD, AND THEN HE HAD
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HIS FAMOUS LINE, AIM AT HEAVEN AND YOU GET EARTH
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THROWN IN.
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AIM AT EARTH AND YOU GET NEITHER.
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- WOW.
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- AND I THINK THE FACT IS WE GET SO CAUGHT UP IN
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THIS WORLD WE FORGET HOW BRIEF OUR TIME IS HERE
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ON EARTH.
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JAMES SAYS OUR LIFE IS LIKE A VAPOR.
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IT'S A MIST.
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IT APPEARS A LITTLE WHILE, AND THEN IT VANISHES.
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AND THAT'S ONE REASON TO THINK ABOUT HEAVEN
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BECAUSE IT REMINDS US HOW BRIEF OUR TIME IS HERE ON
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EARTH, AND HOPEFULLY MOTIVATES US TO LIVE OUR
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LIFE AS WE SHOULD IN THESE FEW YEARS WE HAVE.
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- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ROBERT JEFFRESS, DOCTOR
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ROBERT JEFFRESS, TEN SURPRISING TRUTHS ABOUT
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YOUR ETERNAL HOME FROM THE BOOK
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A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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THE 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
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THIS BOOK IS JUST RECENTLY OUT, AND WE ARE
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WELCOMING OUR GUEST TO TALK ABOUT A GREAT
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SUBJECT TODAY, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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OKAY. DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU PASTOR
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THIS MONSTROUS CHURCH HERE IN THE
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DALLAS, TEXAS AREA.
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IT'S CALLED FIRST BAPTIST, AND YOU ARE AN
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OFTEN FOX CONTRIBUTOR SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
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THIS WOULDN'T BE A NORMAL SUBJECT THAT I WOULD
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EXPECT YOU TO JUMP INTO, AND THE TIMING IS KIND OF
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BEYOND AMAZING.
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WHERE DID THIS BOOK COME FROM?
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WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT?
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WHERE WERE YOU?
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YOU KNOW, JUST LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE CREATION
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OF WHAT THIS WAS.
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- WELL, YOU PROBABLY KNOW IN THE BOOK
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CREATION PROCESS YOU HAVE TO PLAN SEVERAL YEARS
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AHEAD BECAUSE OF THE PUBLISHING CYCLES AND SO FORTH.
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- SURE.
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- MY LAST I HAD WRITTEN WAS CALLED NOT ALL ROADS
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LEAD TO HEAVEN , AND IT WAS A BOOK ABOUT THE
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EXCLUSIVITY OF JESUS FOR SALVATION.
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YOU KNOW, AN AMAZING STATISTIC PEW RESEARCH
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POLL REVEALED THAT 57% OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS
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BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO HEAVEN
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OTHER THAN FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.
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- WOW.
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- 57% OF EVANGELICALS.
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NO WONDER WE'RE NOT WINNING MORE PEOPLE TO
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FAITH IN CHRIST.
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SO I WROTE THAT BOOK, NOT ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEAVEN ,
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TO REAFFIRM WHAT JESUS SAID, I AM THE WAY AND
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THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
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NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.
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AND SO AFTER WRITING THAT BOOK AND IT BECAME A BEST
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SELLER ON THE WAY TO HEAVEN, I THOUGHT IT ONLY
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NATURAL TO FOLLOW-UP WAS OKAY, WHAT IS THIS
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DESTINATION OF HEAVEN GOING TO BE LIKE.
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AND FRANKLY, MATT AND LAURIE, THERE WERE SO FEW
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BOOKS OUT THERE OR BOOKS THAT WERE BASED ON THE
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BIBLE ABOUT HEAVEN THAT I FELT LIKE IT WOULD MEET A
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REAL NEED, AND GOD HAS BLESSED THE BOOK.
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I TOLD YOU OFF CAMERA IT'S BEEN OUT A MONTH,
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AND IT'S ALREADY IN ITS THIRD PRINTING, SO IT'S
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REALLY MEETING A NEED PEOPLE HAVE.
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- WOW.
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- IT'S AND AVAILABLE FROM THE 800 NUMBER THAT WILL BE UP
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AND DOWN AS WE'RE DISCUSSING HEAVEN IS
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AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
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- YEAH.
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SO FOR IT TO COME OUT THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, YOU LOOK BACK,
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THIS IS OCTOBER 11 OR 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER THE LAST FOUR WEEKS SINCE IT
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CAME OUT, THE DEVASTATION IN JUST AMERICA ALONE HAS
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BEEN -- YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAME FROM CALIFORNIA
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WHERE WE'RE HAVING HORRIFIC FIRES.
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WATCHING IT FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW, THE FIRES
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THERE IN ANAHEIM HILLS, AND JUST THE STUFF THAT'S
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GONE ON.
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- LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
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- OH, YEAH.
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- THE LARGEST STORM IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
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THE MOST WATER.
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SO THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE KIND OF NEEDING SOME
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COMFORT IN ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS --
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- AND KNOWING THOSE PEOPLE, SO THERE'S THOUSANDS OF
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THOSE PEOPLE.
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MY COUSIN WAS ONE THAT WAS SHOT IN THE LAS VEGAS
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MASSACRE, AND THOSE PEOPLE -- THE PEOPLE THAT
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ARE TOUCHED BY THAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING, YOU
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KNOW, WE COULD ALL MEET OUR MAKER AT ANY MOMENT.
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- SURE.
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- AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST PREVALENT ON A LOT
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OF PEOPLE'S MIND, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE NEED
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FOR THIS IS JUST HUGE RIGHT NOW.
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- WELL, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING
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REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE
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BENEFITS OF TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN IT PUTS HUMAN
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SUFFERING THAT WE GO THROUGH EVERY DAY
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IN PERSPECTIVE.
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LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE BIBLE NEVER DENIES THE
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REALITY OF PAIN.
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IT NEVER DIMINISHES IT, BUT IT DOES PUT IT
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IN PERSPECTIVE.
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THINK ABOUT THE APOSTLE PAUL.
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HE SAID, FOR THE MOMENTARY LIGHT
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AFFLICTIONS WE EXPERIENCE ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO
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THE ETERNAL WEIGHT OF GLORY.
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YOU THINK ABOUT PAUL.
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HE SAID, MOMENTARY LIGHT?
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LOOK AT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH, I MEAN, BEATEN
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THREE TIMES WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE,
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SHIPWRECKED, ULTIMATELY BEHEADED.
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BUT HE SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HEAVEN
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THOSE ARE MOMENTARY AND LIGHT.
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SOMEBODY SAID ONE DAY FROM HEAVEN WE'LL LOOK
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BACK AND SEE THAT OUR MOST HORRIFIC SUFFERING
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IN THIS WORLD WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A ONE NIGHT
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STAY IN A BAD MOTEL.
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- WOW.
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- YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE THAT HEAVEN
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GIVES US, SOMETHING BETTER AWAITS US.
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- WOW.
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- WOW.
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THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
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- YOU KNOW, PAUL'S PERSPECTIVE ON HIS
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TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE
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RESIDENTS OF THE GULF COAST, THE HOUSTON AREA,
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THAT WHOLE AREA.
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HOUSTON IS THE BIGGEST CITY THAT WAS AFFECTED,
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BUT YOU KNOW, A STORM THAT JUST SAT THERE AND
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DUMPED 50 INCHES OF RAIN OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND
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OTHER HURRICANES, IN PUERTO RICO THAT ARE
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ALWAYS WATCHING TBN.
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HELLO, PUERTO RICO.
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HOPEFULLY YOUR POWER IS BACK ON AND THAT KIND OF
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THING, BUT IT IS TEMPORARY.
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- YES.
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- IN THE LIGHT OF HEAVEN.
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- THAT'S RIGHT.
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- SO IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND YOU -IF YOU WANT TO TRY
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TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS IN THIS LIFETIME, OFTEN
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TIMES YOU CAN'T GET THERE, BUT IF YOU ZOOM
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OUT AND INCLUDE ETERNITY, SOMETIMES THINGS CAN
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CERTAINLY BE MORE BEARABLE ULTIMATELY IS
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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
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LET'S START AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
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WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HEAVEN.
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OUR GUEST, DOCTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS HAS JUST WRITTEN
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THIS BOOK, A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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LET'S START WITH THE CYNIC FOR A MOMENT.
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- OH, DO WE HAVE TO?
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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- AT SOME POINT --
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- I'M KIDDING.
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- LET'S JUST BE REALISTIC HERE.
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AT SOME POINT I THINK IN YOUR BOOK HERE SOMEWHERE,
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YOU KNOW, YOU SAID SOMETHING VERY CUTE THAT,
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YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN
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IS GOING TO BE JUST ONE BIG LONG CHURCH SERVICE
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WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS MORE PARAMOUNT TO LIKE BEING
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IN HELL RATHER THAN HEAVEN.
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- YOU STOLE MY BEST LINE.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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YOU STOLE MY BEST LINE. THE WHOLE SHOW IT'S OVER.
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- DO IT AGAIN.
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- NO, I THINK IT REALLY DOES BEG THE QUESTION,
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WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT HEAVEN?
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LET'S FACE IT, I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
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HURTING, THAT ARE IN PAIN THAT ARE LONGING
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FOR HEAVEN.
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THAT'S A WELCOME MESSAGE.
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OTHER PEOPLE THINK WELL, GEE.
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I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.
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AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS
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UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE GIVEN PEOPLE OF HEAVEN THAT
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IT'S ONE LONG NAP OR WE'RE FLOATING AROUND ON
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A CLOUD PLUCKING THE HARP, YOU KNOW.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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AND THAT'S NOT EXCITING.
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AND LIKE YOU SAID, OR SITTING IN CHURCH 24/7.
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- YEAH.
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- THAT IS HELL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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- NOW, LET'S BE CLEAR TO THOSE WHO ARE COMPLAINING
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RIGHT NOW TO TBN ABOUT WHAT I SAID --
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- IT'S FUNNIER WHEN YOU SAID IT.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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- I CAN SAY THAT AS A PASTOR, BUT LET'S BE CLEAR.
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WE ARE GOING TO WORSHIP IN HEAVEN.
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WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE WORSHIP LIKE WE'VE NEVER
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EXPERIENCED ON EARTH, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THAT WE'RE
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GOING TO DO IN HEAVEN.
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WE'RE GOING TO WORK IN HEAVEN.
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GOD HAS AN ASSIGNMENT FOR US IN THE NEW HEAVEN
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AND NEW EARTH.
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AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
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WHERE IS HEAVEN ANYWAY?
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AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO SPEND ETERNITY?
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IT'S GOING TO BLOW SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS WHEN WE
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TELL THEM IN A MINUTE WHERE HEAVEN ACTUALLY IS
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GOING TO BE FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK.
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ENJOY OUR WORK LIKE WE'VE
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NEVER ENJOYED IT BEFORE.
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GOD CREATED US TO BE WORKERS.
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HE CREATED ADAM AND EVE TO BE WORKERS.
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HE CREATED HIM IN HIS IMAGE.
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GOD IS A WORKER.
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HE MEANT FOR US TO FIND FULFILLMENT IN OUR WORK.
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THE ONLY REASON WE DON'T ENJOY WORK RIGHT NOW IS
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BECAUSE OF THE RESULTS OF SIN AFTER THE FALL.
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WE HAVE BODIES THAT GET TIRED, DON'T WANT TO
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CRAWL OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK.
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WE HAVE STRAINED RELATIONSHIPS AT WORK.
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WE HAVE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
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I BET YOU HAVE A FEW OF THOSE YOU HAVE TO DEAL
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WITH AS WELL.
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ALL OF THOSE IMPEDIMENTS WILL BE REMOVED, AND
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WE'LL ENJOY WORK LIKE GOD INTENDED US TO ENJOY IT.
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- YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT THIS BOOK
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I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH IT ALL MORNING AND LAST
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NIGHT, AND I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THIS INTERVIEW IS
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OVER SO THAT I CAN START READING.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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I CANNOT WAIT --
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- THIS INTERVIEW IS NOT LIKE HELL, I HOPE.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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- I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL I HAVE TIME TO GET THROUGH
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THIS BOOK BECAUSE IT MADE ME WANT TO GO, OKAY,
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I'M GOING TO GET-- [ LAUGHTER ]
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I WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
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THAT WASN'T VERY FUNNY.
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- THAT WAS FUNNY.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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- I LOVE THIS, BUT IT MAKES ME WANT TO STUDY
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THIS BOOK.
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I WANT TO LOOK UP ALL THESE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE
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THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, I KNOW, AS A PASTOR.
00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:57.080
YOU'RE ONE OF THE BEST THEOLOGIANS THAT I THINK
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WE KNOW, SO I KNOW YOU GOT ALL YOUR SCRIPTURE,
00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.130
ALL YOUR ANSWERS FROM THE BIBLE.
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- THAT'S RIGHT IS.
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- AM I MAKING ANY OF THIS UP?
00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.020
- AND I REALLY DO THINK THAT THE BIBLE IS
00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:10.070
SUFFICIENT TO TELL US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO
00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.240
KNOW ABOUT HEAVEN, AND LET'S BE CLEAR, IT
00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:13.190
DOESN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HEAVEN.
00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:16.130
- RIGHT.
00:16:16.150 --> 00:16:17.210
- I THINK THERE'S A REASON GOD HASN'T TOLD US
00:16:17.230 --> 00:16:19.040
EVERYTHING ABOUT HEAVEN.
00:16:19.060 --> 00:16:20.160
I MEAN, IMAGINE A CHILD AND THE MOM PUTS DOWN A
00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:23.040
PLATE OF MASHED POTATOES, ROAST BEEF, AND
00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:25.060
SPINACH, AND THEN OVER TO THE SIDE PUTS A DISH OF
00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.120
VANILLA ICE CREAM WITH CHOCOLATE SYRUP.
00:16:27.140 --> 00:16:31.050
WHERE'S THAT KID GOING TO GO FIRST?
00:16:31.070 --> 00:16:32.220
OR WHERE ARE THE ADULTS GOING TO GO FIRST?
00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.190
YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO TO THE DESSERT.
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IT WOULD BE A DISTRACTION.
00:16:36.150 --> 00:16:37.290
I THINK IF WE KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS
00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:39.170
WAITING FOR US IN HEAVEN THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE
00:16:39.190 --> 00:16:41.160
MASS SUICIDES, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THE
00:16:41.180 --> 00:16:43.170
OTHER SIDE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
00:16:43.190 --> 00:16:46.060
SO THE BIBLE HASN'T TOLD US EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S
00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.260
TOLD US ENOUGH TO WHET OUR APPETITES, AND THAT'S
00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:50.180
WHAT I WANT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN TO DO FOR
00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.160
PEOPLE, TO WHET THEIR APPETITE AND HELP THEM
00:16:52.180 --> 00:16:54.140
GET PREPARED FOR THIS VERY REAL PLACE.
00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:56.210
- WOW.
00:16:56.230 --> 00:16:57.200
- BEAUTIFUL.
00:16:57.220 --> 00:16:58.160
- OKAY.
00:16:58.180 --> 00:16:59.220
SO I WANT TO GET INTO ALL THE QUESTIONS.
00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.290
YOU TALK ABOUT NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES.
00:17:01.010 --> 00:17:02.140
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
00:17:02.160 --> 00:17:04.090
[ LAUGHTER ]
00:17:04.110 --> 00:17:05.260
- WELL, WE'LL TREAD CAREFULLY.
00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:06.290
- YES.
00:17:07.010 --> 00:17:08.020
- WE'LL TREAD CAREFULLY.
00:17:08.040 --> 00:17:09.130
- WE READ THAT SECTION, BY THE WAY, SO --
00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:10.260
- ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, HAVE SOME PEOPLE ALREADY
00:17:10.280 --> 00:17:13.040
VISITED HEAVEN?
00:17:13.060 --> 00:17:14.250
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT THAT'S A VERY
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POPULAR THING NOW, PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY'VE DIED AND
00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.220
THEY'VE GONE TO HEAVEN AND TAKEN A TOUR AND COME
00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.020
BACK AND WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT.
00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:24.100
LET'S BE CLEAR, GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO.
00:17:24.120 --> 00:17:25.000
- RIGHT.
00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:28.020
- SO I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAPPEN.
00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:31.190
I WOULD SAY THAT, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE GOT TO
00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:34.000
RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE BIBLE THERE IS NO EXAMPLE
00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:39.010
OF A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE THAT
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CORRESPONDS TO WHAT WE SEE TODAY, AND I KNOW THE
00:17:40.110 --> 00:17:42.200
VIEWERS RIGHT NOW ARE RINGING THE TELEPHONES
00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:44.180
SAYING PASTOR!
00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.240
PASTOR!
00:17:45.260 --> 00:17:46.260
WHAT ABOUT LAZARUS?
00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:48.030
WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE CASES?
00:17:48.050 --> 00:17:49.190
I DIDN'T SAY GOD HASN'T RAISED PEOPLE FROM THE DEAD.
00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:51.030
OF COURSE HE DID THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE SCRIPTURE.
00:17:51.050 --> 00:17:52.190
BUT THERE'S NOT A CASE WHERE SOMEBODY DIED LIKE
00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:54.240
LAZARUS, WENT TO THE OTHER SIDE AND CAME BACK
00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:57.100
AND TOLD WHAT HE HAD SEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
00:17:57.120 --> 00:17:59.250
- RIGHT.
00:17:59.270 --> 00:18:01.070
- EVEN THE APOSTLE PAUL, II CORINTHIANS 12, HE WAS
00:18:01.090 --> 00:18:03.040
LIFTED UP INTO THE THIRD HEAVEN, AND GOD TOLD HIM
00:18:03.060 --> 00:18:05.180
DON'T REPEAT ONE THING THAT YOU'VE SEEN, AND HE
00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.150
DIDN'T DO IT.
00:18:07.170 --> 00:18:08.240
- INTERESTING.
00:18:08.260 --> 00:18:10.090
- SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THERE'S NOTHING
00:18:10.110 --> 00:18:11.140
THAT CORRESPONDS.
00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.240
I THINK IN EVALUATING THESE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE
00:18:12.260 --> 00:18:14.270
TO ASK OURSELVES, DO THEY CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE?
00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:18.040
AND SOME OF THEM DO WHERE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:20.190
CHRISTIANS SUDDENLY SAY THEY WERE TAKEN UP INTO
00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:23.110
HEAVEN AND SAW A WHITE LIGHT, AND THE WHITE
00:18:23.130 --> 00:18:26.110
LIGHT SAID TO THEM IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU
00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:30.060
BELIEVE, YOU'RE WELCOMED INTO HEAVEN.
00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:31.270
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THOSE PEOPLE DID SEE A
00:18:31.290 --> 00:18:33.070
LIGHT, BUT IT WAS SATAN WHO APPEARED --
00:18:33.090 --> 00:18:34.000
- ANGEL OF LIGHT.
00:18:34.020 --> 00:18:35.000
- AN ANGEL OF LIGHT, YEAH.
00:18:35.020 --> 00:18:36.150
- BECAUSE THAT'S A DECEIVING MESSAGE THAT
00:18:36.170 --> 00:18:37.180
EVERYBODY GETS TO HEAVEN.
00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.060
I THINK WHERE THE EXPERIENCES COINCIDE WITH
00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:42.030
WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES YOU AT LEAST HAVE TO ASK
00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:45.020
THE QUESTION WELL, THEN THAT'S REDUNDANT.
00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:47.270
WHY DO I NEED TO SPEND $19.95 TO BUY THAT BOOK IF
00:18:47.290 --> 00:18:50.040
IT'S ALREADY IN THE BIBLE.
00:18:50.060 --> 00:18:51.170
BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO EVALUATE
00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:54.060
THE EXPERIENCES, MAKE SURE THAT THEY COINCIDE
00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:56.240
WITH WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.
00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:58.050
- BEAUTIFUL.
00:18:58.070 --> 00:18:59.140
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.050
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH PASTOR ROBERT
00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:04.030
JEFFRESS WHO IS A PROGRAMMER RIGHT HERE ON
00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:06.220
TBN EACH WEEK.
00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.050
IF WE ARE TRYING HIM TO YOU FOR SOME REASON, IF
00:19:08.070 --> 00:19:11.180
YOU DON'T WATCH THIS NETWORK AS MUCH AS
00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.160
OTHERS, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE VIDEO
00:19:14.180 --> 00:19:16.110
AND GET TO KNOW PASTOR ROBERT ONE MORE TIME. WATCH.
00:19:16.130 --> 00:19:20.000
- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR,
00:19:20.020 --> 00:19:21.110
DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS, REPORTS BREAKING NEWS
00:19:21.130 --> 00:19:23.140
WITH A HEAVENLY TWIST.
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THE SENIOR PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN DALLAS,
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TEXAS IS OFTEN SEEN ON MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS
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PROCLAIMING GOD'S WORD.
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- PASTOR JEFFRESS: THERE'S ONLY ONE GOD WHO CONTROLS
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WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS WORLD, AND HIS NAME IS JEHOVAH
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GOD. HE IS THE GOD OVER ALL.
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- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DR. JEFFRESS' RADIO PROGRAM
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IS HEARD DAILY ON OVER 900 STATIONS NATIONWIDE.
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YOU CAN ALSO SEE HIS TV PROGRAM "PATHWAY TO
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VICTORY" HERE ON TBN AND AROUND THE WORLD.
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ON TOP OF THAT, HE'S INSPIRED PEOPLE WITH OVER
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20 BOOKS, INCLUDING HIS LATEST,
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"A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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WHAT JESUS IS PREPARING FOR YOU."
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- PASTOR JEFFRESS: GOD UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE
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GOING THROUGH. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE.
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HE'S SAYING REMEMBER THIS, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE GOING
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THROUGH IS MOMENTARY COMPARED TO ETERNITY.
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FEMALE ANNOUNCER: DR. ROBERT JEFFRESS TALKING ABOUT
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HEAVEN RIGHT NOW ON PRAISE.
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[APPLAUSE]
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- MATT CROUCH: WELCOME BACK TO BIG D.
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WE ARE HERE IN BRAND-NEW STUDIOS.
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LET ME JUST BLOW YOUR MIND.
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GO TO THE BIG GIANT WIDE SHOT. OKAY.
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- LAURIE CROUCH: DO WE HAVE AN OLD SHOT?
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- WE'RE DOWN HERE, THIS LITTLE SPECK DOWN IN THE
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CENTER OF YOUR SCREEN WAVING. THAT'S ME.
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WHAT AN AMAZING JOB THAT THE GUYS HAVE DONE HERE,
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AND THE GALS, AND EVERYBODY THAT'S PART OF THIS.
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WE ARE BLOWN AWAY.
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IT'S NOT QUITE HEAVEN, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS.
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- IT'S NOT PURGATORY EITHER.
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- YEAH, SO IT'S WAY BETTER THAN IT WAS.
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OKAY, SO A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN IS WHAT WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT. 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN. CALL.
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S DIG INTO THIS.
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BY THE WAY, I LOVE THE WAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
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ABOUT, PASTOR, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN
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HERE, AND YOU BASICALLY JUST WENT THROUGH SCRIPTURE.
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THE BIBLE TELLS US ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT WE NEED TO
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KNOW. AND BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE GOING THERE,
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WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
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SO WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS HEAVEN?
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- THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AS I MENTIONED, I
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BUILT THE BOOK AROUND TEN OF THE MOST FREQUENTLY
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ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HEAVEN THAT I'VE RECEIVED
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IN 40 YEARS IN THE MINISTRY.
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SO THIS BOOK ISN'T A HEAVY THEOLOGICAL BOOK,
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ALTHOUGH IT'S BUILT AROUND SCRIPTURE.
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THIS IS A BOOK ANSWERING THE THINGS PEOPLE
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WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
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AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ANSWER IS DO PEOPLE
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GO IMMEDIATELY TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE?
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DO CHRISTIANS IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE?
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AND THE ANSWER IS YES, IF WE DEFINE WHAT WE MEAN BY
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HEAVEN. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN.
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2 CORINTHIANS 5:8 PAUL SAYS "TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY
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IS TO BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD."
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THAT MEANS IF WE'RE A BELIEVER,
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THE MOMENT WE SHUT OUR EYES FOR THE LAST TIME HERE ON
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EARTH, WE AWAKEN IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS.
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THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS SOULS ASLEEP.
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WE DON'T FLOAT AROUND SOMEPLACE.
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WE ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE WITH THE LORD.
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WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE BENEFITS OF BEING WITH THE
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LORD. WHERE IS THE LORD? WE DON'T KNOW.
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THE BIBLE CALLS IT THE THIRD HEAVEN,
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BUT WE IMMEDIATELY GO THERE AS CHRISTIANS.
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BUT THAT THIRD HEAVEN IS NOT OUR FINAL DESTINATION.
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THE BOOK OF REVELATION SAYS, REVELATION 20,
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THAT GOD IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY,
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AFTER THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT,
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DESTROY THIS PRESENT HEAVEN AND EARTH WITH FIRE,
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AND HE'S GOING TO CREATE A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.
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RIGHT NOW, JESUS SAID I'M IN HEAVEN PREPARING A PLACE
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FOR YOU. THAT PLACE IS THE NEW JERUSALEM,
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THE HEAVENLY CITY.
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BUT JOHN SAID IN REVELATION 21,
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AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRESENT HEAVEN AND
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EARTH, HE SAID I LOOKED UP AND I SAW THE NEW JERUSALEM
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COMING OUT OF HEAVEN DOWN TO EARTH.
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AND MY POINT IS OUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION IS NOT
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GOING TO BE FLOATING AROUND UP THERE SOMEWHERE.
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IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE ON THIS NEW EARTH RECREATED AS
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GOD INTENDED IT TO BE.
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AND YOU KNOW, MATT AND LAURIE,
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THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE.
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I COULDN'T GET EXCITED ABOUT FLOATING AROUND UP
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THERE SOMEPLACE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.
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THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE!
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WE WERE MADE FOR THIS EARTH. WE'RE GONNA
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HAVE REAL BODIES, FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES.
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- FEEL GRAVITY?
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- WE'RE GONNA FEEL -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA
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FEEL GRAVITY OR NOT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE ON THIS
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EARTH AS GOD INTENDED IT TO BE.
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AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE
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ASSIGNMENTS THAT MAY EVEN MIRROR WHAT WE DID IN THIS
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LIFE. THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK THERE'S NOT GONNA BE
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CHRISTIAN TELEVISION IN THE NEW EARTH.
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THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE
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TO DO THE THINGS GOD GIFTED US TO DO IN THIS LIFE.
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AND SO I THINK THAT'S, TO ME,
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A LIBERATING THOUGHT TO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE
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OUR FINAL DESTINATION RIGHT HERE.
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- SO HEAVEN COULD BE LIKE DOING CHRISTIAN TV BUT
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WITHOUT A BUDGET CONSTRAINT. POSSIBLY THAT.
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- THAT WOULD BE KIND OF CLOSE TO HEAVEN.
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- SO YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION?
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- SO LAST NIGHT WE'RE SITTING AROUND THE TABLE,
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ALL THE FAMILY AND A COUPLE OF FRIENDS,
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AND MY MOM IS SITTING THERE,
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AND MATT BROUGHT UP SOMEONE WHO HAD DONE A LOT OF
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TERRIBLE TERRIBLE THINGS AND SAID BUT WHAT IF HE HAD
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ASKED CHRIST INTO HIS LIFE.
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- AT SOME POINT IN HIS LIFE AND
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THEN DID BAD THINGS.
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- AND MY MOM SAID WELL, THEN HE'LL BE IN JAIL IN HEAVEN.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- THAT'S ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THE BOOK.
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- I WONDER IF THERE'S A JAIL IN HEAVEN.
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- THE BIBLE DOESN'T DESCRIBE THAT, RIGHT?
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SO YOUR MOTHER JUST GAVE US HERESY LAST NIGHT
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AT THE DINNER TABLE. [LAUGHTER]
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- WE WERE ALL IN THOUGH. IT WAS GREAT FUN.
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- IT'S YOUR MOM TOO.
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MY MOM, BECAUSE OF THE LAW, NOT MY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
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BECAUSE OF THE LAW.
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PASTOR JEFFRESS, FOR THOSE, LET'S RESET A SECOND.
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THIS BEAUTIFUL SCREEN ON OUR NEW SET THAT KIND OF
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LOOKS LIKE HEAVEN, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
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A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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AND INASMUCH AS THERE'S FUN WAYS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE MAIN
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MOTIVATION OF YOUR BOOK?
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WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO REALLY KIND OF GET AFTER
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THEY'VE READ THIS BOOK?
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THEY'RE GONNA ORDER IT, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT AND
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WHO SHOULD THEY GET IT FOR?
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WHAT'S THE REAL POINT HERE?
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- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A BOOK OF ENCOURAGEMENT.
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PEOPLE MAY BE GOING THROUGH A CRISIS IN THEIR LIFE
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RIGHT NOW, THEY MAY KNOW SOMEBODY WHO IS,
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IT'S A GREAT BOOK OF COMFORT FOR
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THOSE WHO KNOW CHRIST.
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BUT SECONDLY, IT'S A GREAT WITNESSING TOOL FOR THOSE
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WHO DON'T KNOW CHRIST, TO REMIND THEM THAT THERE'S
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MORE TO LIFE THAN THIS LIFE.
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AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I COULD SAY THIS BOOK
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CAN DO FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT YET CHRISTIANS IS TO
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HELP THEM PREPARE FOR THAT PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO
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PREPARE FOR HEAVEN.
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I ANSWER THE QUESTION IN THE LAST CHAPTER: WHAT CAN
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I DO TO PREPARE FOR MY JOURNEY FOR HEAVEN?
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MINIMIZING REGRETS, GETTING YOUR AFFAIRS ON EARTH IN
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ORDER. SOME PRACTICAL THINGS.
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BUT GO BACK TO THE IMAGE OF MOVING TO A FOREIGN
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COUNTRY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY,
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THERE'S ONE THING YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AND THAT
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IS A PROPER PASSPORT.
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WITHOUT THE RIGHT PASSPORT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO
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THAT NEW COUNTRY YOU'RE TRYING TO GO INTO.
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AND IT'S THE SAME WAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT
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TO GO TO HEAVEN.
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WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE RIGHT SPIRITUAL PASSPORT.
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I'M ASKED ALL THE TIME, ARE BUDDHISTS GONNA BE IN
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HEAVEN? ARE MUSLIMS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
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ARE JEWS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
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ARE CATHOLICS OR BAPTISTS GONNA BE IN HEAVEN?
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AND I ALWAYS SAY THE SAME THING,
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NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN IN A GROUP.
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NOBODY. NOBODY GOES TO HELL IN A GROUP.
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WE GO ONE-BY-ONE BASED ON OUR RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.
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AND THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE IN HEAVEN
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ARE FORGIVEN PEOPLE.
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PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT SPIRITUAL PASSPORT THAT IS
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STAMPED FORGIVEN BY JESUS CHRIST.
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AND THAT'S WHY JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY,
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THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
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NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.
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SO I WANT THIS TO BE A GREAT WITNESS TO
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NON-CHRISTIANS, BUT FOR CHRISTIANS,
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THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOOK IS YOU NEED TO START PREPARING
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FOR HEAVEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, MATT AND LAURIE,
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HERE'S THE PARADOX.
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AS BRIEF AS LIFE IS HERE ON EARTH COMPARED TO THE
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ETERNALITY OF HEAVEN, HOW WE SPEND THESE FEW YEARS ON
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EARTH DETERMINES THE KIND OF HEAVEN WE'RE
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GOING TO EXPERIENCE.
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I SAY IN THE BOOK WHAT WE DO ON EARTH REVERBERATES
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IN THE HALLS OF HEAVEN FOREVER.
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- WOW.
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- WOW. IT REALLY DOES MATTER.
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- IT DOES AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAY WANT TO TALK
00:27:43.220 --> 00:27:45.210
ABOUT IS HEAVEN GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY?
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BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IN THE BOOK.
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- LET'S GET TO THAT.
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I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN IN A
00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:55.090
GROUP OR HELL IN A GROUP.
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- OR FAMILY.
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- MY DAD USED TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
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HE SAID SMOKING DOESN'T SEND YOU TO HELL,
00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:01.150
BUT IT JUST MAKES YOU SMELL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
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I'M NOT SURE WHY I SAID THAT.
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AND SO OKAY, NEXT QUESTION.
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BIG QUESTION FOR THE VIEWERS.
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YOU JUST SAID IT. WHERE ARE WE GOING?
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- IS HEAVEN GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY?
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AND THE ANSWER IS NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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- MATT CROUCH: REALLY?
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- AND PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE THINK OF HEAVEN AS A
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SANCTIFIED FORM OF SOCIALISM.
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WE ALL GET THE SAME SIZE HOUSE,
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SAME PLOT OF LAND AND SO FORTH.
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THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT REWARDS IN HEAVEN.
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THE BIBLE SAYS IN 2 CORINTHIANS 5,
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ALL OF US WHO ARE CHRISTIANS,
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2 CORINTHIANS 5:10, WE MUST ALL APPEAR BEFORE THE
00:28:38.020 --> 00:28:40.200
JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST THAT EACH ONE OF US MAY BE
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REWARDED FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE BODY,
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WHETHER IT BE GOOD, OR THE GREEK WORD IS WORTHLESS,
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VALUELESS, BAD, WORTHLESS.
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AND I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
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OUR GOOD WORKS ARE ABSOLUTELY USELESS IN
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SECURING OUR PLACE IN HEAVEN.
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THAT'S BY THE GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST.
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BUT THE GOOD WORKS WE DO AFTER WE ARE SAVED HAVE A
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GREAT DEAL TO DO WITH THE KIND OF HEAVEN
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THAT WE EXPERIENCE.
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AND I TALK ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH IN THIS CHAPTER
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ABOUT WHAT THESE REWARDS ARE.
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PAUL COMPARES IT IN 1 CORINTHIANS 3,
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HE SAYS OUR LIVES WILL GO THROUGH THE FIRE OF GOD'S
00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:18.020
JUDGMENT, AND IF WE HAVE LIVES THAT ARE BUILT AROUND
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ETERNAL THINGS, THEY COUNT AS GOLD,
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SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONES; BUT IF OUR LIFE IS DEEMED
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TO BE WOOD, HAY AND STUBBLE, IF IT BURNS UP,
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WE'LL BE SAVED THOUGH AS BY FIRE,
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AND WE WILL SUFFER LOSS.
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YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY WAIT A MINUTE, SUFFER LOSS?
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ARE YOU TELLING ME IT'S POSSIBLE WE'RE GONNA HAVE
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REGRETS IN HEAVEN? YES.
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I THINK AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, WHEN WE
00:29:43.040 --> 00:29:45.050
SEE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN OURS HAD WE BEEN MORE
00:29:45.070 --> 00:29:47.250
FAITHFUL TO CHRIST, THERE WILL BE A MEASURE OF REGRET.
00:29:47.270 --> 00:29:50.280
PEOPLE SAY HOW CAN THAT BE?
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.180
HOW CAN YOU BE REGRETTING AND BE JOYFUL AT THE SAME
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.020
TIME? I LIKE TO USE THIS ILLUSTRATION.
00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:57.060
JUST IMAGINE, MATT AND LAURIE,
00:29:57.080 --> 00:29:59.000
YOUR INSURANCE AGENT COMES BY TO SEE YOU AND SAYS I
00:29:59.020 --> 00:30:01.220
WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POLICY, AND YOUR HOME IS
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.010
UNDER-INSURED BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
00:30:04.030 --> 00:30:07.020
YOU OUGHT TO UP YOUR INSURANCE.
00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:08.160
YOU SAY WELL, WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT.
00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:10.060
THAT NIGHT YOU AWAKEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:12.080
YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
00:30:12.100 --> 00:30:14.100
MATT, YOU GRAB LAURIE AND YOU FIND A WAY OUT,
00:30:14.120 --> 00:30:17.200
AND YOU THROW A CHAIR THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW,
00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.240
AND YOU'RE STANDING OUT ON YOUR LAWN WATCHING YOUR
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HOUSE GO UP IN FLAMES.
00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:24.080
WHAT WILL BE YOUR EMOTION AT THAT TIME?
00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:26.180
CERTAINLY JOY THAT YOU ESCAPED THE FLAMES THAT
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.290
WOULD HAVE KILLED YOU, BUT DON'T YOU IMAGINE THERE
00:30:29.010 --> 00:30:31.050
WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF REGRET OVER, GEE,
00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:33.170
I WISH I HAD DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:35.230
THE BIBLE SAYS THERE'S GONNA BE THAT SAME MIXED
00:30:35.250 --> 00:30:38.130
EMOTION AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST.
00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:40.070
JOY THAT WE MADE IT INTO HEAVEN BUT SOME REGRET AS
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WE SEE WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OURS HAD WE
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BEEN MORE FAITHFUL.
00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.090
HERE'S THE MESSAGE OF HOPE RIGHT NOW TO OUR VIEWERS.
00:30:47.110 --> 00:30:50.100
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU THINK YOUR LIFE WILL BE JUDGED TO
00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:53.060
BE WOOD, HAY AND STUBBLE, WORTHLESS IN THE SIGHT OF
00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:55.150
GOD, YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR LIFE.
00:30:55.170 --> 00:30:58.160
YOU CAN START PREPARING RIGHT NOW FOR THAT PLACE
00:30:58.180 --> 00:31:01.140
CALLED HEAVEN, BUILDING YOUR LIFE AROUND THOSE
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THINGS THAT COUNT FOR ETERNITY.
00:31:03.290 --> 00:31:05.270
WHEN YOU GIVE TO YOUR CHURCH,
00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:07.160
WHEN YOU GIVE TO TBN, WHEN YOU SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH
00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:10.220
AN UNBELIEVER, YOU'RE DOING THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.100
WILL MAKE AN ETERNAL DIFFERENCE.
00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:15.030
- SO THAT JUST MAKES SO MUCH SENSE BECAUSE IF WE
00:31:15.050 --> 00:31:21.080
THINK ABOUT SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP OUR EYES
00:31:21.100 --> 00:31:23.210
ON HEAVEN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO, RIGHT?
00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:25.260
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK FORWARD,
00:31:25.280 --> 00:31:27.090
LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING.
00:31:27.110 --> 00:31:29.040
BUT TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT MAKES ME WANT
00:31:29.060 --> 00:31:33.100
TO BE A BETTER PERSON DOWN HERE. SO MAYBE THAT'S THE
00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:36.270
WHOLE REASON WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT--
00:31:36.290 --> 00:31:39.240
- LAURIE, I CALL IT DEVELOPING THE "HERE/THERE" MENTALITY.
00:31:39.260 --> 00:31:43.160
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE IMAGE OF THE PERSON WHO
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KNOWS HE'S GONNA BE MAKING A MOVE IN SIX MONTHS.
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.110
WELL, HE'S GOT RESPONSIBILITIES TO FINISH
00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.170
HERE ON EARTH IN THIS LOCATION AND DO WELL,
00:31:50.190 --> 00:31:53.220
WHILE HE'S PREPARING FOR THE NEXT PLACE.
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.180
WE'RE REALLY CITIZENS OF BOTH PLACES.
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WE'RE RESIDENTS OF EARTH AND CITIZENS IN HEAVEN.
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.210
IT'S NOT EITHER/OR. WE HAVE TO DO BOTH WELL.
00:32:00.230 --> 00:32:03.170
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE PARADOX.
00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:05.120
HOW WE SPEND THESE FEW YEARS REALLY DOES MAKE AN
00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:08.060
ETERNAL DIFFERENCE IN THE KIND OF HEAVEN THAT WE'RE
00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:11.190
GOING TO EXPERIENCE.
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- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN" WITH
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.130
PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS.
00:32:15.150 --> 00:32:18.070
WE'VE GOT A CLIP WE'RE GONNA GO TO RIGHT NOW.
00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:21.010
NORMALLY HE'S NOT USUALLY SITTING ON THE COUCH WITH
00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:23.190
US. HE'S USUALLY IN THIS BIG GIANT CHURCH CALLED
00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.220
FIRST BAPTIST. WATCH THIS.
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.230
- PASTOR JEFFRESS: WE CAN'T BE IN TWO LOCATIONS
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AT ONCE. WE THINK THIS WORLD IS OUR HOME.
00:32:29.260 --> 00:32:32.270
IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT.
00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:34.240
IT IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
00:32:34.260 --> 00:32:37.090
YES, WE HAVE PEOPLE WE LIKE AND WE LOVE HERE.
00:32:37.110 --> 00:32:40.020
YES, GOD HAS GIVEN US AN ASSIGNMENT HERE ON EARTH
00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:42.200
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BUT IT'S TEMPORARY.
00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:45.180
THIS IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
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AND AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO BE HERE,
00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:50.240
WE CONTINUE NOT TO BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
00:32:50.260 --> 00:32:53.070
THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.
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BUT LOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS IN VERSE 8.
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WE ARE OF GOOD COURAGE, I SAY,
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AND PREFER RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND TO
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BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
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THE TENSE THIS IS IN SUGGESTS A FOREVER
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COMPLETED ACTION IN THE PAST.
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WHAT HE IS SAYING IS I PREFER TO BE ONCE FOR ALL
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ABSENT FROM THE BODY SO THAT I CAN BE ONCE FOR ALL
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AT HOME WITH THE LORD.
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- PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS.
00:33:23.270 --> 00:33:25.140
THAT WAS FROM FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.050
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN IN THIS SEGMENT OF THE
00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:30.130
PRAISE PROGRAM FROM BIG D.
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AND WE WELCOME YOU.
00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:34.270
IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE THIS SET IS,
00:33:34.290 --> 00:33:37.110
THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW LOCATION--
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- YOUR NEW STUDIO IN DALLAS.
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- NOT QUITE HEAVEN BUT IT IS AMAZING.
00:33:41.060 --> 00:33:44.110
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BRAND-NEW HOME RIGHT HERE
00:33:44.130 --> 00:33:48.120
IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND OUR FIRST GUEST IS
00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:51.040
PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS. SO THANKS FOR BEING A PART.
00:33:51.060 --> 00:33:53.200
- I'M HONORED TO BE HERE.
00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:54.280
- SHOW NUMBER ONE. - THANK YOU.
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.200
- YEAH, SO WHAT WE WERE TALKING DURING THE BREAK
00:33:56.220 --> 00:34:01.170
THERE JUST A SECOND, AND YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT
00:34:01.190 --> 00:34:05.260
ARE WE GONNA BE KNOWN IN HEAVEN KIND OF LIKE WE ARE?
00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:10.050
ARE YOU GONNA BE PASTOR ROBERT?
00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:12.010
ARE WE GONNA BE MATT AND LAURIE?
00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:14.140
THE MARRIAGE THING, ARE WE GONNA BE MARRIED IN HEAVEN?
00:34:14.160 --> 00:34:16.270
ALL THAT.
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- BECAUSE WE WANT TO.
00:34:18.160 --> 00:34:19.190
- HOW DO YOU SORT ALL THAT STUFF OUT?
00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:21.200
- RIGHT? IS IT JUST ME?
00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:24.010
- QUICK MATT.
00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:25.290
- IS IT JUST ME?
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- YES, DEAR. YES, DEAR. OF COURSE.
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- NEVER MIND. [LAUGHTER]
00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:35.060
- WELL, AWAY FROM THAT FOR A MOMENT,
00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:37.210
BACK TO THE QUESTION.
00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:40.010
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST MYTHS ABOUT HEAVEN
00:34:40.030 --> 00:34:42.170
THAT WHEN WE DIE WE BECOME SOMEBODY ELSE IN HEAVEN.
00:34:42.190 --> 00:34:45.200
NO, IT'S NOT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO GOES TO HEAVEN.
00:34:45.220 --> 00:34:47.080
WE'RE THE ONES WHO GO TO HEAVEN.
00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:49.090
THERE'S A CONTINUUM OF OUR LIVES THAT BEGINS NOW AND
00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:52.040
CONTINUES THROUGH ETERNITY.
00:34:52.060 --> 00:34:54.000
FOR EXAMPLE, WE RETAIN OUR SAME NAMES IN HEAVEN.
00:34:54.020 --> 00:34:56.270
GOD MAY ADD AN ADDITIONAL NEW NAME LIKE HE DID FOR
00:34:56.290 --> 00:35:00.030
PETER AND OTHERS BUT WE RETAIN OUR SAME NAMES.
00:35:00.050 --> 00:35:02.120
YOU SAY HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
00:35:02.140 --> 00:35:03.250
REMEMBER WHEN MOSES AND ELIJAH RETURNED TO BE WITH
00:35:03.270 --> 00:35:06.150
JESUS ON THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION?
00:35:06.170 --> 00:35:08.170
THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THEIR NAMES TO BURT AND ERNIE.
00:35:08.190 --> 00:35:10.210
IT WAS STILL MOSES AND ELIJAH WHEN THEY CAME BACK.
00:35:10.230 --> 00:35:13.170
THEY WERE THE SAME PEOPLE.
00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:15.130
- I'M SURE THEY WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.120
- SECONDLY, OUR BODIES.
00:35:17.140 --> 00:35:19.190
WE'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN.
00:35:19.210 --> 00:35:22.140
YES, WE'VE GOT NEW RESURRECTION BODIES.
00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:24.160
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR NEW BODIES ARE GONNA BE
00:35:24.180 --> 00:35:26.160
LIKE, LOOK AT JESUS' RESURRECTION BODY.
00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:29.160
COLOSSIANS ONE SAYS HIS BODY WAS A PROTOTYPE.
00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:32.250
IT WASN'T A ONE-TIME-ONLY BODY.
00:35:32.270 --> 00:35:35.020
IT WAS A PROTOTYPE OF ALL OF US WHO ARE GONNA BE
00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:37.240
RAISED FROM THE DEAD ONE DAY.
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:39.040
JESUS' DISCIPLES RECOGNIZED HIM.
00:35:39.060 --> 00:35:41.130
HE HAD FLESH AND BLOOD.
00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:43.060
NO, THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM AT FIRST ALL THE TIME.
00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:45.030
THEY DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE HIM FRANKLY ,
00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:47.130
BUT WHEN THEY DID LOOK AT HIM, THEY RECOGNIZED HIM.
00:35:47.150 --> 00:35:49.240
WE'RE GONNA KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN.
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:51.090
I ACTUALLY BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA RETAIN A LOT OF THE
00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:54.050
GIFTS AND INTERESTS THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US NOW.
00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:57.060
WHY WOULD GOD WASTE TALENTS AND INTERESTS AND
00:35:57.080 --> 00:36:00.050
PERSONALITIES ON US FOR THE FEW YEARS WE HAVE HERE ON
00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:03.070
EARTH? I THINK WE'LL RETAIN THOSE IN HEAVEN AS WELL.
00:36:03.090 --> 00:36:05.250
- I WAS ALWAYS HOPING THAT STUFF THAT YOU
00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:07.190
WISH YOU COULD REALLY DO HERE THAT YOU WOULD
00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:10.200
BE ABLE TO DO IN HEAVEN.
00:36:10.220 --> 00:36:12.100
- THAT IS SUCH A GREAT POINT.
00:36:12.120 --> 00:36:14.190
YOU KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME MOMS RIGHT NOW,
00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:16.190
AND YOU'RE THINKING BOY I'M SPENDING ALL OF MY TIME
00:36:16.210 --> 00:36:20.140
TAKING CARE OF MY KIDS, TAKING CARE OF THE HOME.
00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:23.080
I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DESIRE TO WRITE,
00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:26.160
OR TO DO THIS KIND OF MINISTRY, OR TO DO THIS.
00:36:26.180 --> 00:36:29.080
WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE ONLY TIME TO DO THAT?
00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:32.060
I DON'T THINK GOD WASTES THOSE GIFTS
00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:33.220
AND INTERESTS ON PEOPLE.
00:36:33.240 --> 00:36:34.290
- I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DESIRE TO DANCE.
00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.050
SO MAYBE I'LL BE ABLE TO DANCE IN HEAVEN.
00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:40.160
- GOD'S NOT GONNA LET YOU DANCE. I PROMISE.
00:36:40.180 --> 00:36:43.260
OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT, SO I HAVE A PRECIOUS LITTLE
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:48.030
DADDY UP THERE, BUT NOW I HAVE A NEW ONE TOO BECAUSE
00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:51.130
MY FATHER DIED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
00:36:51.150 --> 00:36:53.040
BUT MY MOM MARRIED JUST THE LOVELIEST NEXT FATHER
00:36:53.060 --> 00:36:58.110
FOR ME. AND SO HOW DOES THAT WORK?
00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.150
- THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT
00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:03.210
EXPLAINS WHY WE WON'T HAVE THE MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP
00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:06.110
AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IN HEAVEN.
00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:08.230
PAUL MADE IT CLEAR THE MARRIAGE COMMITMENT,
00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:11.180
IT IS ABSOLVED AT DEATH.
00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:15.070
IT NO LONGER REMAINS IN EFFECT BECAUSE THINK OF IT,
00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:17.060
IN THAT INSTANCE.
00:37:17.080 --> 00:37:18.270
- WE'RE ALL SATISFIED.
00:37:18.290 --> 00:37:20.180
- WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE MATE?
00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:22.270
- SO IT'S LIKE A BIG PARTY UP THERE?
00:37:22.290 --> 00:37:25.180
- EITHER YOU CONVERT TO MORMONISM AND HAVE MULTIPLE
00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:28.150
SPOUSES, OR YOU KNOW THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS MAYBE
00:37:28.170 --> 00:37:31.280
THERE'S NO MARRIAGE.
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:33.180
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T KNOW OUR MATE IN HEAVEN.
00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.270
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE A GREAT
00:37:35.290 --> 00:37:37.090
RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.200
THINK ABOUT IT, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO BE WITH YOUR
00:37:38.220 --> 00:37:41.150
MATE, KNOW YOUR MATE, AND TOGETHER BE ABLE TO LOOK
00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:44.190
BACK ON YOUR LIFE ON EARTH AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE
00:37:44.210 --> 00:37:47.170
THINGS, THE GOOD, THE BAD AND HORRIBLE,
00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:50.030
AND SEE HOW GOD USED AND BROUGHT IT ALL TOGETHER TO
00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:53.010
BRING YOU TO THAT POINT IN HEAVEN.
00:37:53.030 --> 00:37:55.040
- I THINK YOU'RE TREADING ON SOME GROUND THERE THAT
00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:58.090
WE OUGHT TO -- ABOUT THE WHOLE MATE THING.
00:37:58.110 --> 00:38:01.170
I'M GETTING UNCOMFORTABLE.
00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:03.230
SEE, YOUR WIFE'S NOT HERE.
00:38:03.250 --> 00:38:05.240
- BUT SHE'LL BE WATCHING, AND I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER
00:38:05.260 --> 00:38:07.260
FOR THIS. I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THIS.
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.170
- AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HIT YOU WITH SOMETHING
00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.200
BECAUSE YOU'LL BE IN YOUR OWN HOME.
00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:15.160
- AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT.
00:38:15.180 --> 00:38:16.220
IT WILL NEVER MAKE THE AIR.
00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:18.120
- YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIM THOUGH.
00:38:18.140 --> 00:38:19.220
[LAUGHTER]
00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:22.110
- SO I WANT TO MAKE A BOLD STATEMENT.
00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:24.190
MAYBE YOU'LL CORRECT ME.
00:38:24.210 --> 00:38:26.120
I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
00:38:26.140 --> 00:38:29.240
I JUST THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:33.050
- I REALLY WISH YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.
00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:35.050
- SEE? AT LEAST YOU LAUGHED.
00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:36.210
- NO, THAT'S NOT FUNNY.
00:38:36.230 --> 00:38:38.110
- THAT GOES ALONG WITH JAIL IN HEAVEN IS PROBABLY...
00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:40.270
- I GOT IT. SO BASICALLY -- NOW, LET ME ASK THIS
00:38:40.290 --> 00:38:45.000
ONE TECHNICAL QUESTION.
00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:46.200
I MEAN, THAT'S A JOKE, YOU KNOW?
00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:48.200
- IT'S A JOKE.
00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:50.030
- BASICALLY, EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
00:38:50.050 --> 00:38:51.190
SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:53.080
BUT A LOST PERSON WHO'S NEVER SURRENDERED TO CHRIST --
00:38:53.100 --> 00:38:56.170
- RIGHT?
00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:58.140
- DOESN'T GO AND FACE GOD OR CHRIST IN ANY
00:38:58.160 --> 00:39:01.220
KIND OF A JUDGMENT?
00:39:01.240 --> 00:39:03.110
SO IN ESSENCE, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN?
00:39:03.130 --> 00:39:05.090
SO MAYBE THAT STATEMENT'S TRUER THAN -- EVERYONE'S
00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:09.030
GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN.
00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:10.240
SOME ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.220
IS THAT ACCURATE, OR IS THAT HAPPENING SOMEWHERE ELSE?
00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:15.240
- LET ME SAY THIS POLITELY. NO, IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:18.060
- EVERYONE TELLS HIM THAT. WOULD YOU TELL HIM?
00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:21.010
TELL HIM STOP SAYING THAT.
00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:22.220
[LAUGHTER]
00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:24.230
- BEAT THAT OUT OF HIM. YOU CAN HIT HIM FOR THAT.
00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:26.160
- IT'S ABOUT THIS BOOK.
00:39:26.180 --> 00:39:29.180
- OKAY, SERIOUSLY, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN?
00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:31.040
- JESUS TALKED ABOUT IT IN LUKE 16.
00:39:31.060 --> 00:39:32.260
REMEMBER WE SAID WHEN A BELIEVER DIES, HE
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.160
IMMEDIATELY GOES INTO THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:36.140
JESUS CALLED IT PARADISE.
00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:38.070
HE SAID TODAY, YOU'LL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.
00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.090
IT'S CALLED ABRAHAM'S BOSOM. IT'S ALL THE SAME PLACE.
00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:42.180
IT'S WITH THE LORD, AND THAT BELIEVERS BEGINS
00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:45.070
EXPERIENCING THAT IMMEDIATELY.
00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:47.000
JESUS TOLD THAT STORY ABOUT THE RICH MAN AND
00:39:47.020 --> 00:39:49.080
LAZARUS WHEN HE DIED.
00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:50.260
LAZARUS WENT TO BE WITH THE LORD IN ABRAHAM'S BOSOM.
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.170
THE UNBELIEVER, WHEN HE DIES, IMMEDIATELY BEGINS TO
00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:58.120
SUFFER IN THE PLACE CALLED HADES.
00:39:58.140 --> 00:40:00.220
HADES IS THE TEMPORARY WAITING PLACE OF THE UNSAVED
00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:03.250
DEAD, AND JUST AS A BELIEVER IMMEDIATELY BEGINS
00:40:03.270 --> 00:40:06.200
EXPERIENCING BLESSING, THE UNBELIEVER IMMEDIATELY
00:40:06.220 --> 00:40:09.020
BEGINS EXPERIENCING TORMENT. REMEMBER?
00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:12.050
THE RICH MAN WAS IN TORMENT. HE WAS IN AGONY.
00:40:12.070 --> 00:40:14.100
SO UNBELIEVERS BEGIN SUFFERING IMMEDIATELY, BUT
00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:16.190
THAT'S NOT THEIR FINAL DESTINATION, EITHER, ANY
00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:19.190
MORE THAN PARADISE IS OUR FINAL DESTINATION.
00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:22.010
REVELATION 20 SAYS THAT AFTER THE MILLENNIUM, ALL OF
00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:25.150
THE UNSAVED DEAD ARE GOING TO BE RAISED TO A JUDGMENT
00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:29.100
CALLED THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.
00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.140
- AND WHERE IS THAT?
00:40:31.160 --> 00:40:33.000
- AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE.
00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:34.180
- ALL RIGHT.
00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:36.040
- NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE.
00:40:36.060 --> 00:40:37.250
- COULD IT BE HERE ON EARTH?
00:40:37.270 --> 00:40:40.040
- REVELATION 20 INDICATES THAT HE SAW A THRONE,
00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:44.130
JOHN SAW A THRONE SUSPENDED IN SPACE.
00:40:44.150 --> 00:40:46.130
SO MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT, MATT,
00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:49.270
IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN SPACE AT THAT POINT.
00:40:49.290 --> 00:40:52.020
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE IMMEDIATE PLACE, BUT
00:40:52.040 --> 00:40:54.120
ULTIMATELY, FOR THAT JUDGMENT, IT COULD BE IN
00:40:54.140 --> 00:40:56.200
SPACE AT SOME POINT.
00:40:56.220 --> 00:40:58.150
BUT THAT GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT, ALL UNBELIEVERS
00:40:58.170 --> 00:41:01.120
FROM THE TIME OF ADAM ON ARE RAISED.
00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:03.140
AND YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING HOW THEY'RE JUDGED.
00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:05.270
THE BIBLE SAYS, "AND I SAW THE BOOKS OPENED, AND THE
00:41:05.290 --> 00:41:08.230
BOOK OF LIFE OPENED.
00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:10.110
AND IF ANY MAN'S NAME WAS NOT FOUND IN THE BOOK OF
00:41:10.130 --> 00:41:12.190
LIFE, HE WAS JUDGED BY THE THINGS IN THE BOOKS." THE
00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:15.190
BOOKS ARE THE LIFT OF THOSE PERSON'S WORKS.
00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:18.250
YOU SEE, A PERSON IS IN HELL BECAUSE HE SAYS, I DON'T
00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:21.210
NEED THE GRACE OF GOD. I'LL BE JUDGED BY MY WORKS.
00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:25.080
GOD SAYS, FINE, WE'LL JUDGE YOU ON THAT BASIS.
00:41:25.100 --> 00:41:28.030
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS NO ONE'S WORKS WILL BE ENOUGH TO
00:41:28.050 --> 00:41:30.180
MERIT ENTRY INTO HEAVEN.
00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:33.010
AND AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE
00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:36.110
WHERE SATAN, THE BEAST, THE FALSE PROPHET ALREADY ARE,
00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:39.240
AND THEY ARE TORMENTED THERE DAY AND NIGHT
00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:43.030
FOREVER AND EVER.
00:41:43.050 --> 00:41:45.010
INTERESTINGLY, THAT WORD TRANSLATED "FOREVER AND
00:41:45.030 --> 00:41:48.150
EVER", AIONAS, IS THE SAME WORD THAT'S USED TO DESCRIBE
00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:51.240
THE ETERNALITY OF HEAVEN.
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.040
PEOPLE SAY, SO I JUST BELIEVE
00:41:54.060 --> 00:41:56.130
UNBELIEVERS ARE DESTROYED.
00:41:56.150 --> 00:41:58.020
NO, THEY SUFFER FOREVER JUST LIKE BELIEVERS
00:41:58.040 --> 00:41:59.230
EXPERIENCING GOD'S BLESSING FOREVER.
00:41:59.250 --> 00:42:01.190
CAN YOU IMAGINE ANYTHING WORSE THAN THAT?
00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:03.270
- OKAY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DON'T JUST TALK
00:42:03.290 --> 00:42:07.120
ABOUT THESE PLACES.
00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:09.080
LET'S MAKE SURE SOMEBODY CAN FIND THESE DESTINATIONS.
00:42:09.100 --> 00:42:13.250
YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE CERTAINLY TALKING
00:42:13.270 --> 00:42:17.040
ABOUT HEAVEN, AND YOU CERTAINLY GOT OUR ATTENTION
00:42:17.060 --> 00:42:20.030
WITH THE LITTLE MOMENT THERE ABOUT HELL.
00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:23.070
AND SOMEBODY HAS BEEN MAYBE VIEWING AND, OH, THAT'S THAT
00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:27.050
GUY THAT'S ON FOX NEW ALL THE TIME,
00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:28.230
OR THAT'S THAT GUY...
00:42:28.250 --> 00:42:30.070
SO ULTIMATELY, THEY'VE TUNED IN.
00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:33.060
THEY'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, AND WHAT IS THAT
00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:36.090
SIMPLE PRAYER THAT SOMEBODY CAN PRAY THAT THEY CAN KNOW
00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:40.280
THE JOY OF ETERNAL LIFE?
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.190
PASTOR, JUST TO THE AUDIENCE HERE.
00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:44.220
- YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS WE'VE ALL SINNED.
00:42:44.240 --> 00:42:47.120
WE'VE ALL FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S PLAN.
00:42:47.140 --> 00:42:49.090
YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED A BAPTIST PREACH TO
00:42:49.110 --> 00:42:51.000
TELL YOU THAT.
00:42:51.020 --> 00:42:52.150
WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S PLAN,
00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:55.150
AND THE BIBLE SAYS EVERY SIN WE COMMIT MEANS THAT WE HAVE
00:42:55.170 --> 00:42:59.260
A DEBT THAT WE OWE TO GOD.
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.040
AND THE MORE WE SIN, THE BIGGER OUR DEBT BECOMES, AND
00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:05.120
THE GREATEST CHOICE WE EVER MAKE IN LIFE IS WHO'S GOING
00:43:05.140 --> 00:43:08.270
TO PAY OUR SIN DEBT FOR US?
00:43:08.290 --> 00:43:11.180
WE CAN SAY, WELL, I'LL TRY TO PAY IT OFF BY MY GOOD
00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:13.280
WORKS OR JOINING THE CHURCH OR GETTING BAPTIZED.
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.010
IF YOU AND I TRY TO PAYOFF THAT DEBT OURSELVES, WE'LL
00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:20.050
SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES AND ALL ETERNITY SEPARATED
00:43:20.070 --> 00:43:24.080
FROM GOD TRYING TO PAY OFF THAT DEBT THAT CAN
00:43:24.100 --> 00:43:26.190
NEVER BE PAID.
00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:28.110
OR WE CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW JESUS TO PAY THAT DEBT FOR
00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:31.050
US. AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:34.140
JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO NEVER SINNED, BUT HE
00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:36.290
WILLINGLY HUNG ON THE CROSS 2000 YEARS AGO.
00:43:37.010 --> 00:43:40.050
IN SOME INEXPLICABLE WAY, HE EXPERIENCED THE PUNISHMENT
00:43:40.070 --> 00:43:44.210
YOU AND I DESERVE FOR OUR SINS FROM GOD.
00:43:44.230 --> 00:43:47.130
AND THAT IS WHY SOME OF JESUS' FINAL WORDS ON THE
00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:50.000
CROSS, JOHN 19:30, WERE THE WORDS, "IT IS FINISHED" ,
00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:55.170
TETELESTAI IN GREEK, LITERALLY "PAID IN FULL".
00:43:55.190 --> 00:44:00.230
AND I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU RIGHT NOW ARE READY AT THAT
00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:04.100
POINT IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, I'M TIRED
00:44:04.120 --> 00:44:06.220
OF TRYING TO EARN GOD'S FORGIVENESS.
00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:08.210
I REALIZE I CAN'T EARN IT MYSELF.
00:44:08.230 --> 00:44:10.250
I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN I SHUT MY EYES HERE ON EARTH
00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:14.180
FOR THE LAST TIME, I WANT TO BE WELCOMED
00:44:14.200 --> 00:44:18.010
INTO GOD'S PRESENCE.
00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:20.010
HOW CAN YOU MAKE SURE? RECEIVING GOD'S PAYMENT
00:44:20.030 --> 00:44:22.040
FOR YOUR SIN.
00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:24.000
TRUSTING CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR IS SO SIMPLE THAT
00:44:24.020 --> 00:44:26.070
EVEN A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT.
00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:28.180
WE HAVE TO TELL GOD WE'RE TRULY SORRY FOR OUR SIN, AND
00:44:28.200 --> 00:44:31.180
THEN SECONDLY, WE MUST BELIEVE IN, TRUST IN, JESUS
00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:36.080
TO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS.
00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:38.140
AND RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RECEIVE THAT GIFT OF
00:44:38.160 --> 00:44:41.230
FORGIVENESS, I WANT TO INVITE YOU TO DO IT,
00:44:41.250 --> 00:44:44.120
WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
00:44:44.140 --> 00:44:46.020
WOULD YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO,
00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:48.260
WHEREVER YOU ARE, AND PRAY THIS SIMPLE PRAYER TO GOD.
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.020
JUST FOLLOW ALONG.
00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:53.160
PRAY THIS PRAYER IN YOUR HEART AS I PRAY IT OUT LOUD.
00:44:53.180 --> 00:44:56.180
DEAR GOD, THANK YOU FOR LOVING ME.
00:44:56.200 --> 00:45:01.050
I KNOW THAT I HAVE FAILED YOU IN SO MANY WAYS, AND I'M
00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:05.100
TRULY SORRY FOR THE SIN IN MY LIFE.
00:45:05.120 --> 00:45:08.040
BUT I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD ON THIS PROGRAM,
00:45:08.060 --> 00:45:11.160
THAT YOU DON'T HATE ME. YOU LOVE ME.
00:45:11.180 --> 00:45:13.230
YOU LOVE ME SO MUCH, YOU SENT YOUR SON JESUS TO DIE
00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:17.290
ON THE CROSS FOR ME, TO TAKE THE PUNISHMENT
00:45:18.010 --> 00:45:21.100
I DESERVE FOR MY SINS.
00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:23.180
AND RIGHT NOW, I'M TRUSTING IN WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME,
00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:27.250
NOT IN MY GOOD WORKS, BUT IN WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME TO
00:45:27.270 --> 00:45:31.050
SAVE ME FROM MY SINS.
00:45:31.070 --> 00:45:34.150
THANK YOU FOR FORGIVING ME, AND HELP ME TO SPEND THE
00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.240
REST OF MY LIFE SERVING YOU.
00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:40.180
AND I PRAY THAT IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:45.050
IF YOU PRAYED THAT PRAYER WITH US RIGHT HERE ON
00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.240
PRAISE, YOU'VE DONE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS YOU MUST DO TO BE
00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:51.120
FORGIVEN OF YOUR SINS, AND ONE DAY, YOU CAN BE SURE
00:45:51.140 --> 00:45:54.280
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WELCOMED IN THAT
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.140
PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
00:45:57.160 --> 00:45:58.270
- BEAUTIFUL, WOW.
00:45:58.290 --> 00:46:00.190
PASTOR JEFFRESS, THERE COULDN'T BE A MORE
00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:04.130
IMPORTANT TOPIC, YOU KNOW?
00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:07.000
I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE IN THAT MOMENT WHERE WE'RE
00:46:07.020 --> 00:46:12.200
BEING JUDGED FOR GOOD WORKS, THE IDEA THAT WE'RE SITTING
00:46:12.220 --> 00:46:17.220
HERE USING THE TELEVISION AND THE DISTRIBUTION
00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:24.120
PLATFORM CALLED TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK AROUND
00:46:24.140 --> 00:46:27.270
THE WORLD TO SIMPLY TALK ABOUT HEAVEN AND THEN GIVE
00:46:27.290 --> 00:46:30.210
PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRAY A PRAYER, TO BE ABLE TO
00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:33.140
GO TO HEAVEN, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS ABOUT AS GOOD OF A
00:46:33.160 --> 00:46:38.040
WORK AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO, TO BE PUTTING YOUR TIME,
00:46:38.060 --> 00:46:41.090
EFFORT AND ENERGY.
00:46:41.110 --> 00:46:43.100
SO SIR, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT EXACT KIND OF RIGHT IN
00:46:43.120 --> 00:46:48.140
THE MIDDLE OF THE TARGET.
00:46:48.160 --> 00:46:50.060
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:52.040
- THAT'S RIGHT.
00:46:52.060 --> 00:46:53.230
- WE HELP PEOPLE GET THERE TODAY ON THIS BROADCAST.
00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:56.050
GO AHEAD BABY.
00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:58.140
- I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU JUST PRAYED THAT PRAYER,
00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:00.160
THERE IS A PHONE NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN,
00:47:00.180 --> 00:47:02.220
NOT THAT 800 NUMBER BUT THE...
00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:04.160
- THE OTHER NUMBER, THE 714.
00:47:04.180 --> 00:47:06.050
- 714-731-1000.
00:47:06.070 --> 00:47:08.000
PRAYER PARTNERS ARE STANDING BY RIGHT NOW.
00:47:08.020 --> 00:47:10.080
WE LOVE, I LOVE TO GET THAT E-MAIL EVERY DAY WITH THE
00:47:10.100 --> 00:47:12.290
REDEDICATIONS AND THE PRAISES AND THE SALVATIONS
00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:16.140
OF WHO'S WATCHING ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:18.030
AND IF YOU JUST CALL US, OR YOU CAN CALL US OR WRITE US
00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:21.030
THERE AT TBN.TV, AND JUST LOVE TO HEAR
00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:23.130
WHAT YOUR STORY IS.
00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:25.240
- AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING A NEW
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:27.220
CHRISTIAN CAN DO, SOMEBODY WHO PRAYED THAT PRAYER, IS
00:47:27.240 --> 00:47:29.280
TO TELL SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY THAT YOU DID IT.
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.120
CALL THAT PHONE NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
00:47:32.140 --> 00:47:34.060
THE FIRST PERSON YOU CAN TELL IS SOMEBODY FROM TBN.
00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:37.050
THEY'LL BE AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO YOU.
00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:38.250
- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN, AND PASTOR JEFFRESS,
00:47:38.270 --> 00:47:42.070
AGAIN, IS FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:44.180
HE HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT HEAVEN JUST A FEW
00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:46.260
DAYS AGO. WATCH THIS.
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.290
- WHEN WE DIE, WE IMMEDIATELY BEGIN
00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:52.110
EXPERIENCING EITHER GOD'S BLESSING OR GOD'S JUDGMENT.
00:47:52.130 --> 00:47:57.140
AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT AT SOME FUTURE DAY, BELIEVERS
00:47:57.160 --> 00:48:01.190
WILL CHANGE LOCATION FROM THE THIRD HEAVEN TO THE NEW
00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:04.260
HEAVEN ON THIS NEW EARTH, AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.160
UNBELIEVERS WILL ALSO CHANGE LOCATIONS FROM HADES INTO
00:48:08.180 --> 00:48:11.270
THE LAKE OF FIRE, A CHANGE OF LOCATION IS NOT THE SAME
00:48:11.290 --> 00:48:17.020
AS A CHANGE OF ETERNAL DESTINY.
00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:20.210
HEAVEN AND HELL ARE ETERNAL CHOICES.
00:48:20.230 --> 00:48:24.130
[APPLAUSE]
00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:26.160
- BEAUTIFUL. PASTOR ROBERT JEFFRESS AND US.
00:48:26.180 --> 00:48:29.210
WE ARE SITTING HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:32.150
IF THIS LOOKS NEW, THIS SET THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS
00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:35.160
BROADCAST, IT IS NEW.
00:48:35.180 --> 00:48:36.280
- IT IS.
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.170
- FIRST TIME I GOT TO SEE IT WAS JUST A FEW MINUTES
00:48:38.190 --> 00:48:40.160
AGO, AND PASTOR, THANKS FOR BEING ON SHOW NUMBER ONE.
00:48:40.180 --> 00:48:43.190
BEAUTIFUL NEW STUDIO FACILITY HERE
00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:46.250
IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
00:48:46.270 --> 00:48:48.130
- SAME PLACE, THOUGH, RIGHT HERE IN IRVING.
00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:50.060
- YES, THE TORE UP FREEWAY OUT IN FRONT OF HERE CALLED
00:48:50.080 --> 00:48:53.080
THE 183 IN BETWEEN DALLAS AND FORTWORTH, IN BETWEEN
00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:56.030
THE AIRPORT AND DALLAS, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND THINK THIS
00:48:56.050 --> 00:49:01.060
YOU'RE IN WASHINGTON D.C., AND YOU LOOK OVER AND SEE THE
00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:03.250
WHITE HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
00:49:03.270 --> 00:49:05.150
- THAT'S US. - OKAY. SO --
00:49:05.170 --> 00:49:08.070
- THANK YOU DONALD AND MELANIA FOR HAVING US.
00:49:08.090 --> 00:49:09.290
[LAUGHTER]
00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:13.160
- HA HA, FUNNY.
00:49:13.180 --> 00:49:15.130
OKAY, SO IS THERE GOING TO BE SHOCKED, SURPRISED PEOPLE
00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:20.060
IN HEAVEN?
00:49:20.080 --> 00:49:22.250
I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT MAYBE THINK, HEY, I'M A GOOD PERSON.
00:49:22.270 --> 00:49:25.250
GIVE US SOME OF THE REACTIONS IN HEAVEN?
00:49:25.270 --> 00:49:29.110
- IT'S GOING TO BE THE WORST SURPRISE OF ALL FOR
00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:31.220
SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT WELCOMED INTO HEAVEN.
00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:34.170
I KIND OF GOT A TASTE OF THAT, WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE.
00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:38.020
A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I WAS A YOUTH MINISTER AT THE
00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:41.010
CHURCH I NOW PASTOR, FIRST BAPTIST DALLAS.
00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:42.290
WE TOOK A GROUP OF 200 TEENAGERS TO THE SOVIET UNION.
00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:46.130
IT WAS IN 1978, THE MIDDLE OF THE COLD WAR.
00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.290
I MEAN, IT WAS OPPRESSIVE.
00:49:49.010 --> 00:49:50.200
WE COULDN'T WAIT TO GET OUT OF THERE.
00:49:50.220 --> 00:49:52.190
SO THE NIGHT CAME WE WERE GOING TO FLY OUT OF MOSCOW;
00:49:52.210 --> 00:49:54.250
MIDNIGHT, HEADED TO ROME, AND SO I SENT ALL THE KID
00:49:54.270 --> 00:49:58.080
THROUGH PASSPORT CONTROL FIRST SINCE I WAS THE
00:49:58.100 --> 00:50:00.070
LEADER.
00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:01.220
MY WIFE, WE HAD JUST BEEN MARRIED A YEAR, WENT THROUGH.
00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:03.150
I WAS THE LAST GUY, AND SO I REACH INTO MY POCKET LOOKING
00:50:03.170 --> 00:50:06.000
FOR MY PASSPORT, CAN'T FIND IT.
00:50:06.020 --> 00:50:09.230
- OH, DEAR.
00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:11.120
- LOOK OVER HERE. CAN'T FIND IT.
00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:13.040
THEY'RE ANNOUNCING THE FLIGHT.
00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.200
I TELL THE SOVIET GUARD, I SAID, THAT'S MY GROUP.
00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:17.140
I'VE GOT TO LEAD THEM, AND I'M HERE, AND THEY'RE THERE.
00:50:17.160 --> 00:50:19.220
HE COULDN'T HAVE CARED LESS.
00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:21.150
MY WIFE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
00:50:21.170 --> 00:50:23.030
SHE'S STARTING TO CRY IMAGINING ME IN A RUSSIAN
00:50:23.050 --> 00:50:25.210
GULAG FOR THE REST OF OUR MARRIAGE AND IS FORTH.
00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:28.140
AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, A FRIEND ON THE OTHER SIDE
00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:31.030
STARTED LAUGHING.
00:50:31.050 --> 00:50:33.120
HE REACHED INTO HIS POCKET AND PULLED OUT MY PASSPORT.
00:50:33.140 --> 00:50:37.070
HE HAD TAKEN IT AS A JOKE.
00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:39.090
- OH, COME ON!
00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.090
- I THINK HE'S IN THE OTHER PLACE ONE DAY FOR DOING THAT.
00:50:41.110 --> 00:50:43.180
- HE'S NOT. HE'S GOING TO BE IN JAIL IN HEAVEN.
00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:45.080
- BUT YOU KNOW, I GOT A SENSE OF SOME OF THE PANIC
00:50:45.100 --> 00:50:48.170
THAT JESUS TALKED ABOUT IN MATTHEW 7.
00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.140
HE SAID ON THE JUDGMENT DAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:52.270
BEGGING GOD TO BE ALLOWED INTO HEAVEN SAYING, LORD,
00:50:52.290 --> 00:50:55.230
DID WE NOT DO THIS?
00:50:55.250 --> 00:50:57.190
DID WE NOT PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME?
00:50:57.210 --> 00:50:59.080
DID WE NOT WORK MIRACLES?
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I MEAN, THESE AREN'T ATHEISTS.
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THESE AREN'T FOLLOWERS OF PAGAN RELIGIONS.
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THESE ARE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ARGUING
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AND BEGGING FOR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN, AND JESUS IS
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GOING TO SAY, "DEPART FROM ME.
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I NEVER KNEW YOU." SO IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE FOR
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PEOPLE TO BE SURPRISED.
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- WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
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- WELL, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DELUDED INTO THINKING
00:51:21.140 --> 00:51:24.080
THAT EITHER IT DOESN'T EXIST TO BEGIN WITH, OR SECONDLY,
00:51:24.100 --> 00:51:28.120
THAT REALLY ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEAVEN, LIKE SO MANY
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PEOPLE BELIEVE, OR THEY'RE GOOD ENOUGH TO ENTER INTO
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.280
HEAVEN, AND THEY'VE REJECTED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST,
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OR, LAURIE, SIMPLY NEGLECTED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS.
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AND THAT'S WHY I SAY TO OUR VIEWERS RIGHT NOW, DON'T
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DELAY THIS DECISION.
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THE BIBLE SAYS TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.
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- YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT SOME OF THE
00:51:48.230 --> 00:51:50.150
PEOPLE WE SEE IN HEAVEN?
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- YES, YES, AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE MORE SHOCKED
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TO SEE US IN HEAVEN.
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- THAT'S RIGHT, SURPRISE.
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- LIKE WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BE SHOCKED TO SEE IN HEAVEN?
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GIVE ME SOME NAMES. - OH, MY GOSH.
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[LAUGHTER] OFF CAMERA.
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- SO LET ME TELL YOU, HOW MUCH TIME
00:52:03.250 --> 00:52:08.040
DO WE HAVE? OKAY.
00:52:08.060 --> 00:52:10.010
LET ME TELL YOU, SOME FRIENDS, PASTOR ASHLEY EVANS
00:52:10.030 --> 00:52:13.110
THAT PASTORS HERE IN ATLANTA, HE HAS
00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:18.180
A PILE OF KIDS.
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WHEN ONE OF THEM WAS KIND OF JUST A LITTLE GUY, MAYBE
00:52:20.080 --> 00:52:25.060
EVEN TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD, WANDERED OFF AT DISNEYLAND.
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TWO HOURS LATER, HE WASN'T FOUND,
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SO IT WAS A FULL BLOWN...
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- FRANTIC OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
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- PANIC BUTTON THING.
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THEY WERE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA AT THE TIME, SO
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THEY'RE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, AND ONE OF THEIR
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CHILDREN IS GONE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS.
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THE WAY THAT THE LORD ODDLY ENOUGH CALMED HIM DOWN, OR
00:52:47.240 --> 00:52:52.050
CALMED HIS SHEER PANIC DOWN, WAS THE LORD REALLY KIND OF
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WAS ALMOST ENGAGING HIM IN A WAY AND SAID,
00:52:56.020 --> 00:53:01.220
WHAT ARE YOU FEELING?
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AND HIS THOUGHT WAS, I'M FEELING PANIC.
00:53:04.110 --> 00:53:08.240
AND THE LORD SEEMED TO DESCRIBE TO HIM, THAT'S WHAT
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I FEEL FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVERY DAY.
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- LOST SOUL.
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- EVERY LOST SOUL IS A PANIC FEELING.
00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:19.080
SO THE IDEA THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEAVEN,
00:53:19.100 --> 00:53:23.050
COULD THERE BE A MORE IMPORTANT SUBJECT?
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THE ONLY EQUIVALENT IS HELL BECAUSE YOUR CHOICE.
00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:32.030
SO TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
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THE 800 NUMBER.
00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:39.060
AND THE REASON WE PUT AN 800 NUMBER ON THE SCREEN FOR
00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:43.220
THESE BOOKS IS BECAUSE IT'S A PLACE -- A PLACE.
00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:48.050
IT'S NOT HEAVEN, IT'S A CALL CENTER.
00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:50.200
BUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE ARE READY TO TAKE YOUR
00:53:50.220 --> 00:53:54.180
CALL FOR THIS BOOK.
00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:56.180
IT'S NOT LIKE HELLO, CAN I HELP YOU?
00:53:56.200 --> 00:53:59.090
SO WE HAVE ORGANIZED, THE OPERATOR UNDERSTANDS WHAT
00:53:59.110 --> 00:54:04.060
YOU'RE CALLING ABOUT.
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THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY SPECIFIC NUMBERS, AND WE
00:54:06.040 --> 00:54:08.260
TRY, WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.060
TO GET THIS BOOK.
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A FEW LAST THINGS, ANYTHING YOU MISSED THAT YOU WANT TO
00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:19.000
TALK ABOUT IN REGARD TO THIS?
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- LOOK, LET ME JUST SAY.
00:54:20.190 --> 00:54:22.160
RIGHT NOW PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND NON-CHRISTIANS,
00:54:22.180 --> 00:54:24.290
ARE HUNGRY FOR MESSAGE OF HEAVEN.
00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:26.260
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.200
IN THE WORLD.
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I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL
00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:32.040
THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
00:54:32.060 --> 00:54:33.200
THIS IS THE EASIEST, MOST NON-THREATENING WAY YOU
00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:36.070
CAN SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH SOMEBODY.
00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:37.230
JUST GIVE THEM THIS BOOK.
00:54:37.250 --> 00:54:39.130
THEY'LL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HEAVEN.
00:54:39.150 --> 00:54:41.060
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY DIE.
00:54:41.080 --> 00:54:43.190
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET A COUPLE OF COPIES AND USE
00:54:43.210 --> 00:54:46.160
IT AS A WITNESS TO SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS TO
00:54:46.180 --> 00:54:48.090
KNOW CHRIST YOU SEE.
00:54:48.110 --> 00:54:50.030
- DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE SIMPLE TIPS?
00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:52.240
WE TALK ABOUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
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WE SHOULD GET OUR MINDS OFF THE NASTY NOW AND
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LOOK FOR HEAVEN.
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DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE TIPS FOR US TO, HOW WE
00:55:01.160 --> 00:55:04.230
SHOULD DO THAT?
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- I HAVE A DEACON FRIEND IN THE LAST CHURCH.
00:55:06.290 --> 00:55:08.210
HE WAS 67 YEARS OLD.
00:55:08.230 --> 00:55:10.030
I WENT INTO HIS OFFICE ONE DAY, AND ON THE BLACK
00:55:10.050 --> 00:55:11.160
BOARD THERE WAS A LITTLE CHALK MARK.
00:55:11.180 --> 00:55:13.090
I SAID, "WHAT ARE ALL THOSE CHALK MARKS?"
00:55:13.110 --> 00:55:15.160
HE SAID, "IT'S A LIST OF THE NUMBER OF DAYS I HAVE LEFT
00:55:15.180 --> 00:55:18.110
UNTIL I DIE IF LIVE TO 70." HE SAID, "EVERY DAY, THE
00:55:18.130 --> 00:55:22.100
FIRST THING I DO IS ERASE ONE OF THOSE MARKS TO REMIND
00:55:22.120 --> 00:55:26.000
ME HOW SHORT MY TIME ON EARTH IS." AND I THINK
00:55:26.020 --> 00:55:29.040
WHATEVER WE CAN DO, MOSES SAID, TEACH US TO NUMBER OUR
00:55:29.060 --> 00:55:32.040
DAYS AND RECOGNIZE HOW FEW THEY ARE SO THAT WE CAN
00:55:32.060 --> 00:55:34.290
SPEND THEM AS WE SHOULD.
00:55:35.010 --> 00:55:36.290
THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THINKING ABOUT HEAVEN.
00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:39.050
- THERE YOU GO, OKAY.
00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:41.020
THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.
00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.200
- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN." THE
00:55:42.220 --> 00:55:45.080
800 NUMBER IS THERE ON THE SCREEN.
00:55:45.100 --> 00:55:48.130
IT'S REAL BIG.
00:55:48.150 --> 00:55:50.230
I'LL READ IT OFF FOR YOU IF YOU'RE SITTING FAR FROM YOUR
00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:52.210
TV AND GETTING READY TO DIAL YOUR PHONE.
00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:55.040
800-780-3643, AND "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN"
00:55:55.060 --> 00:56:03.050
WILL BE SENT TO YOU.
00:56:03.070 --> 00:56:04.280
OKAY, PASTOR JEFFRESS, OFF CAMERA, YOU TOLL ME THAT THE
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.110
ONLY THING THAT YOU EVER WANT IS THE
00:56:07.130 --> 00:56:08.290
FINAL WORD, SO...
00:56:09.010 --> 00:56:11.170
- COMPLETELY MADE UP, COMPLETELY MADE UP.
00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:15.160
- THAT'S NOT IN SCRIPTURE EITHER.
00:56:15.180 --> 00:56:17.130
IN THE LAST ONE MINUTE, JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET UP
00:56:17.150 --> 00:56:21.000
OFF THE COUCH BEFORE YOU HAVE SAID WHATEVER
00:56:21.020 --> 00:56:23.170
YOU WANT TO SAY.
00:56:23.190 --> 00:56:25.040
DON'T LET THIS MOMENT GO BY, BUT JUST TAKE THE LAST
00:56:25.060 --> 00:56:27.040
MINUTE, IF YOU WOULD, SIR.
00:56:27.060 --> 00:56:29.000
- I'M GOING TO LET JESUS HAVE THE LAST WORD
00:56:29.020 --> 00:56:30.190
ON THIS, IF I COULD.
00:56:30.210 --> 00:56:32.030
- THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
00:56:32.050 --> 00:56:33.230
- YOU KNOW, JESUS TALKED ABOUT A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.
00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:35.050
THAT WORD "PLACE", TOPOS IN GREEK, MEANS IT'S
00:56:35.070 --> 00:56:36.160
A REAL LOCATION.
00:56:36.180 --> 00:56:37.260
JESUS SAID, "FOR I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, AND
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.180
IF I GO AND PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN
00:56:40.200 --> 00:56:43.280
AND TAKE YOU UNTO MYSELF THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.200
MAY BE ALSO." THAT'S THE GREAT HOPE FOR EVERYONE WHO
00:56:47.220 --> 00:56:50.250
KNOWS CHRIST AS SAVIOR.
00:56:50.270 --> 00:56:52.080
- BEAUTIFUL JOB, SIR.
00:56:52.100 --> 00:56:54.000
- THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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- "A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN". GET IT.
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THE 800 NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
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LAURIE AND I AND PASTOR JEFFRESS --
00:56:59.130 --> 00:57:02.090
- PLANNING ON GOING. - WE'RE PLANNING ON GOING.
00:57:02.110 --> 00:57:04.200
- WE'LL SEE YOU THERE.
00:57:04.220 --> 00:57:07.010
- AND THIS NEW SET, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
00:57:07.030 --> 00:57:08.230
WE'RE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BYE BYE.
00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:09.100

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