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December 16, 2016
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Dimas Salaberrios hosts Dr. Timothy Keller and Megan Alexander

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Praise | December 16, 2016

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  • - Dimas Salaberrios: Hey!
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  • How y'all doing?
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  • Whoo!
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • Oh, my gosh.
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  • wonderful to be in New York City
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  • around Christmas.
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  • There's nothing like it
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  • in the world.
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  • And also to be able
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  • to celebrate Jesus.
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  • I mean, he is the reason
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  • for this season.
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  • We're gonna praise Jesus
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  • and welcome to "Praise."
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • I wanna tell you,
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  • I'm so excited.
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  • I mean, over and over again
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  • when I read the Scriptures
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  • and I think about who Jesus is.
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  • I'm not gonna be distracted
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  • by toys.
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  • I'm not gonna be distracted
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  • by games.
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  • I'm not gonna be distracted
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  • by Saint Nick or Rudolph
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  • or anything.
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  • My concentration is on Jesus.
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  • Is on Jesus.
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  • Jesus Christ is what
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  • this is all about.
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  • And on "Praise," we're gonna
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  • spend a lot of time focusing
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  • on Jesus, so get ready.
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  • I wanna tell you,
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  • I'm so excited about tonight.
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  • We have with us the pastor of
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  • Redeemer Presbyterian Church,
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  • the founder of City to City
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  • and the chairman who has
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  • started City--started churches
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  • all over the world and in
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  • this great city of New York.
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  • He has helped to launch
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  • over 380 churches in 54 cities.
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  • He's a "New York Times"
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  • bestselling author
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  • of "The Reason for God."
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  • And tonight, we're gonna talk
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  • about "A Hidden Christmas:
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  • Making Sense of God."
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  • So put your hands together
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  • for Dr. Timothy Keller.
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  • for Dr. Timothy Keller.
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  • - Dimas: Wow.
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  • Well, it seems like the body
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  • of Christ appreciates you.
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  • - Timothy Keller: Seems like.
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  • Thank you.
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  • Thank you.
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  • - Dimas: So how you doin'?
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  • How do you celebrate
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  • your holidays around this time?
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  • - Timothy: Well, the great--let
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  • me tell you, there's something
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  • That when you're young,
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  • you have to go places.
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  • You've gotta go places.
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  • You've gotta take
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  • the grandchildren there.
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  • You've gotta take
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  • the children--and then when
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  • you get old, they come to you.
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  • Everybody--and it's great.
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  • Who wants to travel
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  • at Christmas?
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  • Nobody.
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  • I just sit down
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  • and I wait for all
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  • It's great.
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  • - Dimas: That is a blessing.
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  • That is a blessing.
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  • - Timothy: Actually,
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  • that is the way.
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  • Basically, with family,
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  • here in New York.
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  • As you said, no better place
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  • in the world to have Christmas
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  • than here.
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  • - Dimas: It's true.
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  • It's true.
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  • And I thank you for so many
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  • years that we've had Christmas
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  • with you at your house.
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  • It's been a lot of fun and
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  • beautiful and you do it well.
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  • - Timothy: Thank you.
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  • Thank you.
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  • My wife does it well.
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  • - Dimas: Oh, you're smart too.
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  • Give Kathy the credit
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  • is the way to go.
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  • - Timothy: Absolutely.
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  • It's not smart.
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  • It's just true.
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  • - Dimas: So let me ask you,
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  • what do you think most of
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  • the country and sometimes
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  • the world miss
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  • by commercializing Christmas?
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  • - Timothy: Well, the idea for
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  • the book that I wrote kind of
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  • comes from the--some years--
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  • C.S. Lewis actually wrote
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  • a kind of comic piece.
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  • It was a satire.
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  • He wrote about an island that
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  • was discovered in which they
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  • found this very strange custom
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  • that half the inhabitants
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  • celebrated one holiday and
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  • the other half another holiday
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  • on the same day.
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  • Two different holidays.
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  • He said--one, he called Xmas.
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  • And Xmas, everybody gets drunk
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  • and spends an enormous amount
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  • of money.
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  • And then, the other half
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  • do Christmas.
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  • And Christmas is where they
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  • go to church and they hear about
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  • a child who was born and they
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  • talk about caring for the poor.
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  • And he said, you know, some
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  • people say it's the same holiday
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  • but it just couldn't be.
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  • He said,
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  • they're so utterly different.
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  • And so he says people will be
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  • writing PhD dissertations on
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  • whether it's the same holiday
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  • or two different holidays.
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  • And I say, "It can't be the same
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  • holiday, it's too different.
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  • But what--for the life of me,
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  • why would they celebrate
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  • it on the same day?
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  • It must get it,
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  • you know, bump heads."
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  • And of course, he's
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  • making fun of the fact that
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  • we actually have two
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  • completely different holidays.
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  • The world will never be able
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  • to get rid of Christmas
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  • because it's too important
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  • to the economy.
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  • It'll be here--it will be here
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  • almost indefinitely and what's
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  • good about that is even though
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  • the commercialization is almost
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  • the opposite of what Christmas
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  • means, Jesus Christ became poor
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  • at Christmas.
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  • He was rich in heaven, you know,
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  • and he had everything.
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  • And he became poor.
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  • Being born in a manger,
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  • in a feed trough, was just
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  • an indication of the fact
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  • that he emptied himself and
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  • impoverished himself for others,
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  • which is exactly the opposite
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  • of, you know, the lavish
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  • commercialization of Christmas.
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  • So, in a way,
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  • here's the good news.
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  • The good news is that the--
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  • you might say,
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  • the commercial Christmas
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  • is still a kind of witness.
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  • They still have to
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  • think about it.
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  • There still are the Christmas
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  • carols, which have all those
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  • things that, you know, it comes
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  • through the--the music comes out
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  • and it'll say, you know,
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  • "Veiled in flesh, the Godhead
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  • see, hail the incarnate deity.
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  • Born to raise the sons of earth.
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  • Born to give them second birth."
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  • You know, "Hark!
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  • The Herald Angels Sing" says
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  • Jesus Christ came, Christmas
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  • happened so you'd be born again.
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  • So that stuff kind of filters
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  • out there.
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  • So, I mean, it's good.
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  • It's still a witness but
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  • it's not the same holiday that
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  • Christians actually celebrate.
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  • - Dimas: Yeah.
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  • Now, I went through your book
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  • in less than 36 hours,
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  • enjoyed it thoroughly.
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  • - Timothy: I was afraid you
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  • were gonna say 36 minutes.
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  • - Dimas: I wish I could speed
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  • read but that would be
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  • a little difficult.
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  • But it was so informative,
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  • I thought it was--it surrounded
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  • some beautiful things,
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  • particularly
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  • what you just touched on:
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  • the baby in the manger.
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  • And you touched on some things
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  • that I think would help
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  • a lot of people.
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  • So how can we today relate
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  • with the story that Jesus
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  • was born in the barn?
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  • - Timothy: Well, it certainly
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  • means at least it--well,
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  • but it means so much.
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  • At least means what I hinted at
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  • and that is, in a sense, Jesus
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  • moved into a bad neighborhood.
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  • You know, he was actually
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  • in a really good neighborhood.
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  • He moved into
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  • a bad neighborhood.
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  • It was--it's a very dangerous
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  • neighborhood and he came
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  • knowing he was gonna be killed.
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  • It does mean--the manger means
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  • spend yourself for people.
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  • Get involved, even though
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  • it makes you vulnerable.
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  • Get involved with people's
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  • lives, even though it's
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  • probably gonna be draining.
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  • Don't only stay with your own
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  • type but be willing to mix it up
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  • with people who are different
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  • than you are.
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  • See, all that, if you think
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  • about it, is Jesus Christ was up
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  • there with the Father, Son,
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  • and Holy Spirit.
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  • And he moves in with mortals.
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  • He becomes killable
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  • and vulnerable.
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  • He impoverishes himself.
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  • See, the meaning of Christmas is
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  • to get out of your comfort zone.
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  • It means to be incredibly
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  • generous.
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  • It means to care about the poor
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  • and needy.
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  • It means to bridge
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  • racial barriers.
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  • It's all there.
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  • Actually, I know that's
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  • not how we think of it but
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  • it's all implied in the idea
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  • of God becoming human.
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  • - Dimas: Now, you talked about
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  • the genealogy and some key
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  • points that were in there that,
  • 00:09:18.050 --> 00:09:20.260
  • you know, sometimes I like
  • 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:22.280
  • to leap over it instead
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  • of naming all the names.
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  • - Timothy: Get to the action.
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  • - Dimas: But you laid out that
  • 00:09:26.260 --> 00:09:29.020
  • there are some important things
  • 00:09:29.020 --> 00:09:30.040
  • that are highlighted
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  • during that.
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  • And I thought that
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  • would be really good.
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  • I mean, people are watching us
  • 00:09:33.170 --> 00:09:34.130
  • from all over the world
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  • and they're gonna be lookin'--
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  • I want them to look at that
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  • in a new light than
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  • they've never done before.
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  • - Timothy: Well,
  • 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:43.040
  • then let me help them.
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  • Let me help 'em.
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  • When Matthew starts
  • 00:09:46.290 --> 00:09:49.040
  • the Christmas story, he actually
  • 00:09:49.040 --> 00:09:51.090
  • And we have a tendency that
  • 00:09:53.160 --> 00:09:55.040
  • that long genealogy, these
  • 00:09:55.040 --> 00:09:56.160
  • are the--this is the genealogy
  • 00:09:56.160 --> 00:09:58.070
  • of Jesus the Messiah.
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  • So and so begat, so and so
  • 00:09:59.160 --> 00:10:01.070
  • begat, so and so begat.
  • 00:10:01.070 --> 00:10:02.130
  • And it's 17 verses and so what
  • 00:10:02.130 --> 00:10:04.130
  • you generally do is you say,
  • 00:10:04.130 --> 00:10:06.110
  • "Let's get to the action."
  • 00:10:06.110 --> 00:10:07.250
  • So you just kind of, you know,
  • 00:10:07.250 --> 00:10:08.230
  • eyes glaze over
  • 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:09.240
  • and you get down to it.
  • 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:10.240
  • But if Matthew thought it was
  • 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.170
  • important to start the Christmas
  • 00:10:12.170 --> 00:10:13.250
  • then we ought to say,
  • 00:10:15.270 --> 00:10:16.170
  • "Okay, what's in there?"
  • 00:10:16.170 --> 00:10:18.080
  • To understand why genealogies
  • 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:19.210
  • mattered back then,
  • 00:10:19.210 --> 00:10:20.280
  • you have to remember that
  • 00:10:20.280 --> 00:10:21.250
  • that was like a résumé.
  • 00:10:21.250 --> 00:10:23.110
  • See, today, because we live in
  • 00:10:23.110 --> 00:10:25.180
  • an individualistic society,
  • 00:10:25.180 --> 00:10:27.070
  • we say, "Here's my résumé.
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  • Here's who I am.
  • 00:10:29.140 --> 00:10:30.090
  • It's all the things
  • 00:10:30.090 --> 00:10:31.050
  • I've accomplished."
  • 00:10:31.050 --> 00:10:32.110
  • But in olden times,
  • 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:34.130
  • people were more realistic
  • 00:10:34.130 --> 00:10:35.240
  • about the fact that to
  • 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:36.210
  • a great degree, you are
  • 00:10:36.210 --> 00:10:37.230
  • the product of your family.
  • 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.120
  • And so in order to find out
  • 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.160
  • who a person is, you wanted
  • 00:10:41.160 --> 00:10:42.210
  • to know who was in the family.
  • 00:10:42.210 --> 00:10:44.020
  • So the genealogy is kind of
  • 00:10:44.210 --> 00:10:47.210
  • like a résumé.
  • 00:10:47.210 --> 00:10:49.080
  • Now, today,
  • 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:50.020
  • we doctor our résumés.
  • 00:10:50.020 --> 00:10:51.280
  • In other words, we drop things
  • 00:10:51.280 --> 00:10:52.200
  • out that don't look good.
  • 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.060
  • In those days, you always
  • 00:10:54.060 --> 00:10:56.090
  • airbrushed out anybody that
  • 00:10:56.090 --> 00:10:58.000
  • you didn't--that, you know,
  • 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.160
  • wasn't a good person.
  • 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:00.270
  • You only brought in the, you
  • 00:11:00.270 --> 00:11:02.190
  • know, the big shots and the
  • 00:11:02.190 --> 00:11:04.000
  • people that made you look good.
  • 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.000
  • Jesus' genealogy
  • 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:06.260
  • is very different.
  • 00:11:06.260 --> 00:11:07.180
  • First of all, he's got Rahab
  • 00:11:07.180 --> 00:11:09.160
  • in there who's a prostitute.
  • 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:11.010
  • You have David, by the way,
  • 00:11:11.010 --> 00:11:13.170
  • who's the king.
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  • Okay, great.
  • 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:15.070
  • He's great in my genealogy
  • 00:11:15.070 --> 00:11:15.270
  • but then it says, "David begat
  • 00:11:15.270 --> 00:11:18.100
  • Solomon through Uriah's wife."
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  • Doesn't say,
  • 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:22.240
  • "David and Bathsheba."
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  • Says, "Uriah's wife."
  • 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.030
  • Why?
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  • It's reminding you that David
  • 00:11:25.230 --> 00:11:26.230
  • was a very big sinner.
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  • He not only committed adultery
  • 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:29.100
  • but had that man killed, Uriah,
  • 00:11:29.100 --> 00:11:31.030
  • killed.
  • 00:11:31.030 --> 00:11:32.010
  • And so the genealogy, what I
  • 00:11:32.010 --> 00:11:34.050
  • think is fascinating, is here's
  • 00:11:34.050 --> 00:11:35.210
  • Jesus owning all these people.
  • 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:38.040
  • You've got Rahab, a prostitute.
  • 00:11:38.040 --> 00:11:41.010
  • You've got David, a king,
  • 00:11:41.010 --> 00:11:43.080
  • but a flawed king.
  • 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.290
  • And it's almost like Jesus is
  • 00:11:44.290 --> 00:11:46.070
  • saying, "My grace is such
  • 00:11:46.100 --> 00:11:49.100
  • that no matter how bad you are,
  • 00:11:49.100 --> 00:11:51.010
  • it doesn't matter, you can be
  • 00:11:51.010 --> 00:11:52.120
  • my--you can be in my family.
  • 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.020
  • But also, no matter how good
  • 00:11:54.020 --> 00:11:55.210
  • you are, you're still needing
  • 00:11:55.210 --> 00:11:57.290
  • my grace because you're still
  • 00:11:57.290 --> 00:11:59.090
  • a flawed person."
  • 00:11:59.090 --> 00:12:00.210
  • So it's, like, insight.
  • 00:12:02.040 --> 00:12:05.040
  • And if you actually go through,
  • 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:07.230
  • you'll see, for example,
  • 00:12:07.230 --> 00:12:08.280
  • there were five women
  • 00:12:08.280 --> 00:12:09.250
  • in the genealogy.
  • 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:10.180
  • Back in those days, you didn't
  • 00:12:10.180 --> 00:12:11.110
  • put women in the genealogy
  • 00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:12.140
  • 'cause they were low status.
  • 00:12:12.140 --> 00:12:14.100
  • Jesus puts women
  • 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:15.090
  • in the genealogy.
  • 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:16.040
  • He puts Ruth and Rahab
  • 00:12:16.040 --> 00:12:17.190
  • who were Gentiles
  • 00:12:17.190 --> 00:12:19.020
  • so they were racial outsiders.
  • 00:12:19.020 --> 00:12:21.050
  • He puts women in there, even
  • 00:12:21.050 --> 00:12:23.000
  • though they were low status.
  • 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.040
  • He puts in, like I said, Rahab
  • 00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:27.150
  • who was a prostitute, Tamar
  • 00:12:27.150 --> 00:12:29.100
  • who had incest with Judah.
  • 00:12:29.100 --> 00:12:31.270
  • And so Jesus is putting all that
  • 00:12:31.270 --> 00:12:33.180
  • in there to say, "In my family,
  • 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:36.080
  • prostitute and king sit down
  • 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:37.130
  • as equals.
  • 00:12:37.130 --> 00:12:38.170
  • Equally sinful
  • 00:12:38.170 --> 00:12:39.180
  • and equally loved in my grace."
  • 00:12:39.180 --> 00:12:42.070
  • So the genealogy
  • 00:12:42.070 --> 00:12:43.040
  • is a really important part of
  • 00:12:43.040 --> 00:12:44.190
  • the Christmas story.
  • 00:12:44.190 --> 00:12:45.180
  • So don't skip it anymore, okay,
  • 00:12:46.130 --> 00:12:49.130
  • okay?
  • 00:12:49.130 --> 00:12:50.130
  • That's my pastoral advice
  • 00:12:50.130 --> 00:12:51.090
  • to you.
  • 00:12:51.090 --> 00:12:52.150
  • Just read it.
  • 00:12:52.150 --> 00:12:53.270
  • Just read it.
  • 00:12:53.270 --> 00:12:54.180
  • - Dimas: See, I told people
  • 00:12:54.180 --> 00:12:55.090
  • they was gonna enjoy it and
  • 00:12:55.090 --> 00:12:56.190
  • that was really well done.
  • 00:12:56.190 --> 00:12:57.290
  • Can we give him a round?
  • 00:12:57.290 --> 00:12:59.080
  • That was really, really
  • 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.090
  • well done.
  • 00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:02.090
  • Now, as Christians, when we say
  • 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.240
  • that we're a Christian,
  • 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.270
  • we're making a serious stance.
  • 00:13:10.270 --> 00:13:13.260
  • And you really begin to tackle
  • 00:13:14.110 --> 00:13:17.110
  • some of that so we're Christian,
  • 00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:19.040
  • we're making a stance.
  • 00:13:19.040 --> 00:13:20.260
  • What does that mean when you say
  • 00:13:20.260 --> 00:13:22.280
  • it's almost like we enter
  • 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:25.000
  • into conflict
  • 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.280
  • or we kind of enter into war?
  • 00:13:26.280 --> 00:13:29.100
  • - Timothy: Well, what I was--
  • 00:13:30.060 --> 00:13:33.060
  • a couple of places in the book,
  • 00:13:33.060 --> 00:13:34.120
  • I bring this out.
  • 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:35.230
  • The Gospel of John, its first
  • 00:13:35.230 --> 00:13:38.190
  • chapter, the Gospel of John,
  • 00:13:38.190 --> 00:13:41.030
  • talks about Jesus coming into
  • 00:13:41.030 --> 00:13:42.140
  • the world and the world
  • 00:13:42.140 --> 00:13:43.190
  • rejecting Jesus.
  • 00:13:43.190 --> 00:13:45.230
  • It says he was the light
  • 00:13:45.230 --> 00:13:47.270
  • doesn't like the light and
  • 00:13:50.010 --> 00:13:51.240
  • doesn't understand the light.
  • 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.110
  • Now, if you identify with Jesus,
  • 00:13:53.110 --> 00:13:55.080
  • then the implication is John
  • 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.130
  • is saying, "As Jesus came into
  • 00:13:57.130 --> 00:13:59.070
  • the world," and of course,
  • 00:13:59.070 --> 00:14:00.100
  • the manger was partly a sign
  • 00:14:00.100 --> 00:14:02.240
  • that he was gonna be rejected.
  • 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.130
  • There was no room in the inn.
  • 00:14:04.130 --> 00:14:05.260
  • So the manger--he was born in
  • 00:14:05.260 --> 00:14:08.070
  • It's just a way of saying Jesus
  • 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.090
  • is rejected and, if you're
  • 00:14:12.090 --> 00:14:13.130
  • a Christian and you identify
  • 00:14:13.130 --> 00:14:15.020
  • with him, you should take
  • 00:14:15.020 --> 00:14:18.000
  • rejection kind of in stride.
  • 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.000
  • You should be--
  • 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:20.250
  • you should expect it.
  • 00:14:20.250 --> 00:14:22.170
  • It doesn't mean
  • 00:14:22.170 --> 00:14:23.210
  • you should always roll over
  • 00:14:23.210 --> 00:14:25.260
  • for it if it's unjust.
  • 00:14:25.260 --> 00:14:27.020
  • It doesn't mean that.
  • 00:14:27.020 --> 00:14:28.070
  • You know, Paul was willing
  • 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:29.260
  • to say when he was treated
  • 00:14:29.260 --> 00:14:31.120
  • unjustly, "This is injustice."
  • 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:32.280
  • It doesn't mean that.
  • 00:14:32.280 --> 00:14:34.000
  • But you also don't get just
  • 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:35.080
  • absolutely shocked.
  • 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.260
  • How could you treat me
  • 00:14:36.260 --> 00:14:38.080
  • like this?
  • 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:39.020
  • Well, you know,
  • 00:14:39.020 --> 00:14:39.280
  • Jesus said, "A servant
  • 00:14:39.280 --> 00:14:40.250
  • is not above his master.
  • 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:42.040
  • The world hated me,
  • 00:14:42.040 --> 00:14:43.000
  • the world will hate you."
  • 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:44.070
  • And so there is a--
  • 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:46.150
  • there are a lot of themes in
  • 00:14:46.150 --> 00:14:48.020
  • the Christmas story, including
  • 00:14:48.020 --> 00:14:50.230
  • just the manger itself, that
  • 00:14:50.230 --> 00:14:52.010
  • indicate for a lot of Christians
  • 00:14:52.010 --> 00:14:54.030
  • there may not be room
  • 00:14:54.030 --> 00:14:55.010
  • at the inn either.
  • 00:14:55.010 --> 00:14:55.190
  • See, the inn represents
  • 00:14:55.190 --> 00:14:56.280
  • the heart of,
  • 00:14:56.280 --> 00:14:58.140
  • you know, human society.
  • 00:14:58.140 --> 00:15:00.100
  • And very often, over the years,
  • 00:15:00.100 --> 00:15:02.120
  • Christians have been excluded
  • 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:03.150
  • because they are Christians.
  • 00:15:03.150 --> 00:15:06.100
  • American Christians
  • 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:07.160
  • are not used to that.
  • 00:15:07.160 --> 00:15:08.270
  • I have to say,
  • 00:15:08.270 --> 00:15:10.120
  • African American Christians are.
  • 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:11.190
  • I know that.
  • 00:15:11.190 --> 00:15:12.240
  • Non-white Christians are.
  • 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.290
  • But I gotta tell you that us
  • 00:15:14.290 --> 00:15:16.230
  • white American Christians
  • 00:15:16.230 --> 00:15:18.020
  • are not used to that.
  • 00:15:18.020 --> 00:15:19.210
  • And we actually need to get over
  • 00:15:19.210 --> 00:15:22.120
  • our self-pity, frankly.
  • 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.050
  • And I think all Christians have
  • 00:15:24.050 --> 00:15:25.290
  • to realize that to some degree,
  • 00:15:25.290 --> 00:15:27.120
  • if you identify with Jesus,
  • 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:28.060
  • you're gonna get rejection
  • 00:15:28.060 --> 00:15:29.200
  • and it just shouldn't throw us,
  • 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:30.270
  • that's all.
  • 00:15:30.270 --> 00:15:32.100
  • We should take it in stride,
  • 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:33.050
  • with grace.
  • 00:15:33.050 --> 00:15:34.040
  • But at the same time, speak
  • 00:15:34.040 --> 00:15:35.150
  • truth, not just roll over
  • 00:15:35.150 --> 00:15:36.230
  • if injustice is being done.
  • 00:15:36.230 --> 00:15:39.010
  • That all comes, I think, you can
  • 00:15:39.010 --> 00:15:40.170
  • see it in various places in
  • 00:15:40.170 --> 00:15:42.210
  • the book where certain themes of
  • 00:15:42.210 --> 00:15:45.080
  • the Christmas story, I think,
  • 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.110
  • help us understand that.
  • 00:15:46.170 --> 00:15:49.170
  • - Dimas: Now, Tim, I don't know
  • 00:15:49.170 --> 00:15:51.000
  • if you remember this but I used
  • 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.060
  • to call you up and I would say,
  • 00:15:52.060 --> 00:15:55.000
  • "It's Christmas.
  • 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:56.080
  • What thing do you think
  • 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:57.190
  • I could touch on?"
  • 00:15:57.190 --> 00:15:59.020
  • And I remember
  • 00:15:59.020 --> 00:15:59.190
  • you used to always point to
  • 00:15:59.190 --> 00:16:01.070
  • that Mary was a teen mom.
  • 00:16:01.130 --> 00:16:04.130
  • What are some lessons that we
  • 00:16:04.130 --> 00:16:06.290
  • can get from the Mary story?
  • 00:16:06.290 --> 00:16:09.060
  • - Timothy: Oh, my goodness.
  • 00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:10.140
  • Boy, there are so many.
  • 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:13.160
  • You know, I often try to say
  • 00:16:13.160 --> 00:16:15.060
  • that the--most of the Christmas
  • 00:16:15.060 --> 00:16:17.040
  • stories are not--they're not
  • 00:16:17.040 --> 00:16:18.230
  • like Aesop's Fables.
  • 00:16:18.230 --> 00:16:20.080
  • The Christmas stories are there
  • 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:21.260
  • to tell you it really happened.
  • 00:16:21.260 --> 00:16:23.070
  • The Son of God really was
  • 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:24.160
  • born in history.
  • 00:16:24.160 --> 00:16:25.230
  • And it's not a set of nice
  • 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:27.040
  • stories just to inspire us
  • 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:29.120
  • to live in a certain way.
  • 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.190
  • Whenever--when somebody says,
  • 00:16:30.190 --> 00:16:32.100
  • "Well, you know, the Christmas
  • 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:33.230
  • story didn't happen.
  • 00:16:33.230 --> 00:16:34.160
  • It just inspires us to live in
  • 00:16:34.160 --> 00:16:36.010
  • a certain way," I say, "Like,
  • 00:16:36.010 --> 00:16:38.010
  • what does it inspire you to do?
  • 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:40.120
  • Have your children out of doors,
  • 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:41.270
  • is that the moral of the story?"
  • 00:16:41.270 --> 00:16:43.240
  • I'm trying--when I say that,
  • 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.150
  • I'm trying--it wasn't that
  • 00:16:45.150 --> 00:16:46.290
  • funny, was it?
  • 00:16:46.290 --> 00:16:47.220
  • But when I say that,
  • 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:49.180
  • I'm trying to point out that
  • 00:16:49.180 --> 00:16:50.230
  • these aren't legends.
  • 00:16:50.230 --> 00:16:52.140
  • These really happened.
  • 00:16:52.140 --> 00:16:53.230
  • And the Bible's trying to say
  • 00:16:53.230 --> 00:16:55.060
  • Jesus has really come.
  • 00:16:55.060 --> 00:16:57.070
  • Yet, whenever I look at Mary,
  • 00:16:57.070 --> 00:16:59.110
  • I say--the stories about Mary
  • 00:16:59.110 --> 00:17:01.190
  • make me say,
  • 00:17:01.190 --> 00:17:02.230
  • "Now, here is a good example.
  • 00:17:02.230 --> 00:17:04.100
  • Here is someone we ought to
  • 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:05.270
  • try to be like."
  • 00:17:05.270 --> 00:17:06.160
  • There's so many.
  • 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.030
  • One, of course, is--
  • 00:17:08.030 --> 00:17:09.190
  • this actually goes back to what
  • 00:17:09.190 --> 00:17:11.210
  • we just said about.
  • 00:17:11.210 --> 00:17:12.170
  • Here's the angel Gabriel coming
  • 00:17:12.170 --> 00:17:14.170
  • and saying, "You're gonna get
  • 00:17:14.170 --> 00:17:16.000
  • pregnant and it's gonna be
  • 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.260
  • through the Holy Spirit.
  • 00:17:18.260 --> 00:17:20.010
  • And it's gonna be, like, now."
  • 00:17:20.010 --> 00:17:22.190
  • And frankly, people are gonna be
  • 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:24.240
  • able to--people count.
  • 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.030
  • You get married, you have
  • 00:17:26.030 --> 00:17:27.210
  • a child 3 months later, people
  • 00:17:27.210 --> 00:17:28.240
  • in those little villages,
  • 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.060
  • they could count.
  • 00:17:30.060 --> 00:17:31.190
  • They knew.
  • 00:17:31.190 --> 00:17:33.220
  • They knew something was gonna
  • 00:17:33.220 --> 00:17:34.180
  • happen and they say,
  • 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:35.260
  • "Wait a minute.
  • 00:17:35.260 --> 00:17:36.270
  • Either, you know, this isn't
  • 00:17:36.270 --> 00:17:39.030
  • Joseph's baby or they had sex
  • 00:17:39.030 --> 00:17:42.030
  • before they got married."
  • 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:43.120
  • Either way, you know,
  • 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:44.030
  • you're on the outside.
  • 00:17:44.030 --> 00:17:45.180
  • And she knew that Jesus Christ
  • 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:48.000
  • coming into her life was gonna
  • 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:49.090
  • make her a social outcast,
  • 00:17:49.090 --> 00:17:51.250
  • you know, an unwed
  • 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:53.220
  • pregnant teenage mother.
  • 00:17:53.220 --> 00:17:55.220
  • And I think in some ways,
  • 00:17:55.220 --> 00:17:57.290
  • that is so--you know, again,
  • 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:02.010
  • that dignifies the wretched
  • 00:18:02.010 --> 00:18:03.220
  • of the earth.
  • 00:18:03.220 --> 00:18:04.210
  • It dignifies the people who are
  • 00:18:04.210 --> 00:18:06.070
  • outsiders, people who have not
  • 00:18:06.070 --> 00:18:07.240
  • had easy lives.
  • 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.150
  • It dignifies the--it just--
  • 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:12.030
  • here's Jesus coming a poor man,
  • 00:18:12.030 --> 00:18:15.030
  • you know, he's a carpenter.
  • 00:18:15.030 --> 00:18:16.070
  • He's a poor man.
  • 00:18:16.070 --> 00:18:17.020
  • He was born in a manger.
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  • When they go to, you know, do
  • 00:18:18.110 --> 00:18:20.040
  • his circumcision,
  • 00:18:20.040 --> 00:18:22.030
  • you were able--you had to make
  • 00:18:22.030 --> 00:18:23.250
  • a sacrifice but, depending on
  • 00:18:23.250 --> 00:18:25.040
  • your level of income,
  • 00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:27.180
  • you might get a bigger
  • 00:18:27.180 --> 00:18:28.240
  • or smaller--they give the two
  • 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.040
  • pigeons, which meant they
  • 00:18:30.040 --> 00:18:31.170
  • were the poorest of the poor.
  • 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:33.030
  • And here's Mary who probably
  • 00:18:33.030 --> 00:18:34.210
  • all of her life was never able
  • 00:18:34.210 --> 00:18:36.030
  • to explain to her neighbors
  • 00:18:36.030 --> 00:18:37.190
  • why she was pregnant
  • 00:18:37.190 --> 00:18:38.160
  • when they got married.
  • 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.040
  • And all that is because Jesus
  • 00:18:40.040 --> 00:18:41.230
  • came into their lives.
  • 00:18:41.230 --> 00:18:43.060
  • See, that's what I mean
  • 00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:44.050
  • by saying becoming a Christian
  • 00:18:44.050 --> 00:18:46.060
  • doesn't mean you're gonna be
  • 00:18:46.060 --> 00:18:47.230
  • embraced by respectable society.
  • 00:18:47.230 --> 00:18:49.270
  • In many ways, you're kind of
  • 00:18:49.270 --> 00:18:50.200
  • an outsider.
  • 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:51.130
  • But she was very patient,
  • 00:18:51.130 --> 00:18:52.110
  • she did not complain when she
  • 00:18:52.110 --> 00:18:54.220
  • realized that was gonna be
  • 00:18:54.220 --> 00:18:56.030
  • her lot in life.
  • 00:18:56.030 --> 00:18:56.260
  • And she says, "Behold,
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:58.050
  • the handmaid of the Lord.
  • 00:18:58.050 --> 00:18:59.090
  • Let it be unto me
  • 00:18:59.090 --> 00:19:01.070
  • according to thy will."
  • 00:19:01.070 --> 00:19:02.170
  • Just lovely.
  • 00:19:02.170 --> 00:19:04.020
  • So it's tremendous, tremendous
  • 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:07.180
  • glad submission to God's will,
  • 00:19:07.180 --> 00:19:09.170
  • even if it meant becoming
  • 00:19:09.170 --> 00:19:11.190
  • an outcast and an outsider.
  • 00:19:13.180 --> 00:19:16.180
  • - Dimas: So I'm sure there's
  • 00:19:16.180 --> 00:19:18.070
  • a lot of Christians
  • 00:19:18.070 --> 00:19:19.130
  • that may feel like,
  • 00:19:19.130 --> 00:19:21.080
  • to some degree, if they stand up
  • 00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:23.100
  • that they're Christian
  • 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:25.110
  • or that they have faith in
  • 00:19:25.110 --> 00:19:27.160
  • Christ, that they see, you know,
  • 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.240
  • in today's time, more and more
  • 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.170
  • push against them.
  • 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:36.230
  • More and more, like, struggles
  • 00:19:36.230 --> 00:19:39.160
  • coming at them because people
  • 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.060
  • feel like we're intolerant,
  • 00:19:41.060 --> 00:19:43.130
  • we're different, we're, you
  • 00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:45.250
  • know, we voted for the wrong guy
  • 00:19:45.250 --> 00:19:48.020
  • and all this kind of stuff,
  • 00:19:48.020 --> 00:19:49.190
  • kind of comes about
  • 00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:51.160
  • or people just think this.
  • 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.110
  • And what do you think we can do
  • 00:19:53.110 --> 00:19:55.210
  • as believers to be
  • 00:19:55.230 --> 00:19:58.230
  • a great witness in this time
  • 00:19:58.230 --> 00:20:00.150
  • that we're living in?
  • 00:20:00.150 --> 00:20:01.250
  • - Timothy: Well, I think--I've
  • 00:20:01.270 --> 00:20:04.270
  • recently read a couple of books
  • 00:20:04.270 --> 00:20:05.240
  • You'll find something--yeah,
  • 00:20:08.150 --> 00:20:10.100
  • here's a good answer,
  • 00:20:10.100 --> 00:20:11.080
  • I think, I hope.
  • 00:20:11.080 --> 00:20:13.100
  • The early Christians were
  • 00:20:13.100 --> 00:20:15.060
  • probably the most persecuted
  • 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.200
  • religious group.
  • 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:20.030
  • There were a lot of religions
  • 00:20:20.030 --> 00:20:20.240
  • in the Roman Empire.
  • 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:21.280
  • But they were really more
  • 00:20:21.280 --> 00:20:23.130
  • persecuted than anybody else.
  • 00:20:23.130 --> 00:20:24.160
  • Everybody had their own gods
  • 00:20:26.180 --> 00:20:27.180
  • but it was expected that, even
  • 00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:29.250
  • though you had your gods, that
  • 00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:31.000
  • when you're in my house, you
  • 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:32.080
  • would also worship my gods too.
  • 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:34.260
  • So you would, you know, you
  • 00:20:34.260 --> 00:20:36.030
  • would make an offering
  • 00:20:36.030 --> 00:20:37.210
  • or burn incense so the fact is
  • 00:20:37.210 --> 00:20:39.260
  • that Christians had their god.
  • 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:41.050
  • That's fine.
  • 00:20:41.050 --> 00:20:42.050
  • But then when they went into
  • 00:20:42.050 --> 00:20:43.080
  • somebody else's house
  • 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:44.140
  • or they went to the local market
  • 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:46.070
  • or they went to the guild where
  • 00:20:46.070 --> 00:20:47.110
  • everybody was, you always showed
  • 00:20:47.110 --> 00:20:48.230
  • honor to the marketplace or
  • 00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:50.080
  • to the city or to Rome by also
  • 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:54.220
  • sacrificing to that god too,
  • 00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:57.000
  • the god of the Rome--
  • 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.080
  • the city or so on.
  • 00:20:58.080 --> 00:20:59.220
  • Christians wouldn't do that.
  • 00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:00.250
  • And so Christians were really,
  • 00:21:00.250 --> 00:21:03.210
  • really unpopular and persecuted
  • 00:21:03.210 --> 00:21:05.050
  • because they were considered
  • 00:21:05.050 --> 00:21:06.000
  • too exclusive.
  • 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.110
  • Too exclusive.
  • 00:21:07.110 --> 00:21:09.100
  • You know, you think you have
  • 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:10.170
  • the only god and none of
  • 00:21:10.170 --> 00:21:12.010
  • the other gods are even real.
  • 00:21:12.010 --> 00:21:13.000
  • That was just considered
  • 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.170
  • unbelievably narrow-minded, so,
  • 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:17.220
  • and so that's happening again
  • 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:18.240
  • today.
  • 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:19.190
  • We're considered too exclusive,
  • 00:21:19.190 --> 00:21:20.280
  • too narrow-minded.
  • 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:21.230
  • We think we have the truth.
  • 00:21:21.230 --> 00:21:23.020
  • Now, what happened back then was
  • 00:21:23.020 --> 00:21:25.230
  • Christians, they were exclusive
  • 00:21:25.230 --> 00:21:28.130
  • in the way in which they
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:29.290
  • believed but they were not
  • 00:21:29.290 --> 00:21:31.080
  • exclusive in the way in which
  • 00:21:31.080 --> 00:21:32.140
  • they lived.
  • 00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:33.280
  • They reached out to people.
  • 00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:35.170
  • First of all, they were a very
  • 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:36.220
  • multi-ethnic community, which,
  • 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:39.000
  • at that time, people just stayed
  • 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.130
  • together in their tribes.
  • 00:21:40.130 --> 00:21:41.250
  • They didn't only take care of
  • 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:43.120
  • their own poor.
  • 00:21:43.120 --> 00:21:44.070
  • They took care of
  • 00:21:44.070 --> 00:21:45.050
  • everybody's poor.
  • 00:21:45.050 --> 00:21:46.030
  • That was also considered really,
  • 00:21:46.030 --> 00:21:47.080
  • really, really strange.
  • 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:49.000
  • They didn't do infant exposure.
  • 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.170
  • You know, in those days, if you
  • 00:21:51.170 --> 00:21:53.030
  • had a child of the gender you
  • 00:21:53.030 --> 00:21:55.160
  • didn't want, you were allowed
  • 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.230
  • to just throw it on
  • 00:21:56.230 --> 00:21:57.190
  • the garbage heap.
  • 00:21:57.190 --> 00:21:58.180
  • That was just done everywhere.
  • 00:21:58.180 --> 00:21:59.210
  • Christians didn't do that.
  • 00:21:59.210 --> 00:22:01.130
  • And so--and a lot of people
  • 00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:03.120
  • didn't like that but it was
  • 00:22:03.120 --> 00:22:04.090
  • just done that way.
  • 00:22:04.090 --> 00:22:06.000
  • A lot of the women didn't like
  • 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.210
  • to do that but the men did.
  • 00:22:07.210 --> 00:22:09.190
  • The husbands, the fathers, did.
  • 00:22:09.190 --> 00:22:11.000
  • And Christians came along and
  • 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.190
  • they were so loving, so caring,
  • 00:22:13.250 --> 00:22:16.250
  • they--it was--they crossed
  • 00:22:16.250 --> 00:22:19.210
  • the racial barriers.
  • 00:22:19.210 --> 00:22:20.270
  • They reached out to the poor
  • 00:22:20.270 --> 00:22:22.190
  • in so many ways.
  • 00:22:22.190 --> 00:22:24.010
  • They also forgave their enemies,
  • 00:22:24.010 --> 00:22:25.140
  • even when they were put
  • 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:26.100
  • to death, they were not--
  • 00:22:26.100 --> 00:22:28.200
  • they didn't retaliate.
  • 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.020
  • They loved their enemies.
  • 00:22:30.020 --> 00:22:31.180
  • That was all so strange.
  • 00:22:31.180 --> 00:22:32.270
  • They also suffered very well.
  • 00:22:32.270 --> 00:22:34.200
  • And the pagans around them
  • 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.070
  • really were amazed
  • 00:22:37.070 --> 00:22:38.200
  • at their suffering.
  • 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:39.100
  • So they were exclusive in what
  • 00:22:39.100 --> 00:22:41.030
  • they taught but they were just
  • 00:22:41.030 --> 00:22:42.070
  • so loving and caring and
  • 00:22:42.070 --> 00:22:44.200
  • embracing in the way in which
  • 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.190
  • they lived.
  • 00:22:46.190 --> 00:22:47.090
  • And that's how we've gotta go
  • 00:22:47.090 --> 00:22:48.140
  • forward.
  • 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:49.040
  • We cannot give in on saying,
  • 00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:52.030
  • "Okay, you think I'm exclusive
  • 00:22:52.030 --> 00:22:53.180
  • so everything's okay.
  • 00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:55.080
  • Everybody's right."
  • 00:22:55.080 --> 00:22:56.170
  • No, Christians
  • 00:22:56.170 --> 00:22:57.160
  • have to stick with what
  • 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:58.100
  • they know the truth is.
  • 00:22:58.100 --> 00:22:59.240
  • But then the way in which
  • 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:01.000
  • they live--the way in which
  • 00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:04.110
  • they live.
  • 00:23:04.110 --> 00:23:06.090
  • See, put it this way.
  • 00:23:06.090 --> 00:23:07.290
  • Thank you.
  • 00:23:07.290 --> 00:23:09.030
  • We believe--I'll tell you this.
  • 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:13.230
  • The day after 9/11,
  • 00:23:13.230 --> 00:23:15.290
  • you might--probably heard me
  • 00:23:15.290 --> 00:23:16.240
  • tell you this.
  • 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.190
  • The day after 9/11, every single
  • 00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:19.100
  • newspaper article said, "See,
  • 00:23:19.100 --> 00:23:20.250
  • religious fundamentalism
  • 00:23:20.250 --> 00:23:22.030
  • did this."
  • 00:23:22.030 --> 00:23:23.070
  • And Kathy heard me read
  • 00:23:23.070 --> 00:23:24.290
  • something to her, "Religious
  • 00:23:24.290 --> 00:23:26.090
  • fundamentalism did this."
  • 00:23:26.090 --> 00:23:27.150
  • And my wife Kathy said,
  • 00:23:27.150 --> 00:23:30.040
  • "Fundamentalism doesn't
  • 00:23:30.040 --> 00:23:31.080
  • necessarily lead to violence.
  • 00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:33.280
  • It depends on what your
  • 00:23:33.280 --> 00:23:34.170
  • fundamentalist is.
  • 00:23:34.170 --> 00:23:36.090
  • It depends on what your
  • 00:23:36.090 --> 00:23:37.060
  • fundamental is.
  • 00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:37.290
  • If it's a man dying on a cross
  • 00:23:37.290 --> 00:23:39.070
  • for your sins, praying for his
  • 00:23:39.070 --> 00:23:41.220
  • enemies as he dies for them,
  • 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:44.030
  • if that's your fundamental, how
  • 00:23:44.030 --> 00:23:45.110
  • can that turn into violence?"
  • 00:23:45.110 --> 00:23:46.110
  • And then she said, "Have you
  • 00:23:46.110 --> 00:23:47.030
  • ever seen an Amish terrorist?
  • 00:23:47.030 --> 00:23:48.170
  • No."
  • 00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:49.250
  • And she's saying, "There are
  • 00:23:49.250 --> 00:23:50.270
  • some Christians who have really
  • 00:23:50.270 --> 00:23:52.130
  • understood the fundamental
  • 00:23:52.130 --> 00:23:53.230
  • is not, 'We've got the truth.'
  • 00:23:53.230 --> 00:23:54.190
  • But our truth is a man
  • 00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:56.070
  • dying for his enemies.
  • 00:23:56.070 --> 00:23:57.200
  • A man dying so that even though
  • 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.010
  • we're flawed, we can be saved
  • 00:23:59.010 --> 00:24:00.220
  • by grace."
  • 00:24:00.220 --> 00:24:01.160
  • I said, now, if that's
  • 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:02.230
  • your fundamental, is--what's--so
  • 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:04.270
  • that's true and I believe that's
  • 00:24:04.270 --> 00:24:06.050
  • truth and I believe that Jesus
  • 00:24:06.050 --> 00:24:07.110
  • is the Savior of the world.
  • 00:24:07.110 --> 00:24:08.090
  • That makes me exclusive.
  • 00:24:08.090 --> 00:24:09.220
  • But then, that truth should mean
  • 00:24:09.220 --> 00:24:11.250
  • the way in which I treat people,
  • 00:24:11.250 --> 00:24:13.140
  • people that disagree with me,
  • 00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:14.170
  • people that are a different
  • 00:24:14.170 --> 00:24:16.010
  • class, different race,
  • 00:24:16.010 --> 00:24:17.110
  • I should be reaching out
  • 00:24:17.110 --> 00:24:19.000
  • to them the way Jesus did.
  • 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.250
  • So I've got this exclusive truth
  • 00:24:20.250 --> 00:24:22.050
  • that leads to a non-exclusive
  • 00:24:22.050 --> 00:24:23.140
  • lifestyle.
  • 00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:24.220
  • And that's what made the early
  • 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:26.280
  • Christians eventually, frankly,
  • 00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:29.000
  • successful and in spite of
  • 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.250
  • the fact that their message
  • 00:24:31.250 --> 00:24:32.180
  • was so unpopular.
  • 00:24:32.180 --> 00:24:33.220
  • And that could be true for us
  • 00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:35.030
  • today, though I have to say,
  • 00:24:35.030 --> 00:24:37.070
  • Christians today do not live
  • 00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:39.020
  • as well as the early Christians
  • 00:24:39.020 --> 00:24:40.190
  • did, frankly.
  • 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:42.210
  • And I mean, so our life is not
  • 00:24:42.210 --> 00:24:44.010
  • where it should be.
  • 00:24:44.010 --> 00:24:45.120
  • But if our lives get there,
  • 00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:46.130
  • it'll make a big difference.
  • 00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:47.110
  • - Dimas: Yeah, wow.
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • - Timothy: I see conviction
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  • in you, brother.
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  • I see conviction.
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  • I am convicting myself.
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  • I hate that.
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  • - Dimas: You know, often when I
  • 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.250
  • sit here because I've done a lot
  • 00:25:04.250 --> 00:25:07.150
  • of travel to many different
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  • countries, and I often think
  • 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:12.070
  • these countries around the world
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  • and some of them are in places
  • 00:25:16.290 --> 00:25:18.290
  • where intense persecution's
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  • going on.
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  • And what could we say to that
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  • where they know not too far from
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  • them is, I mean, they could be
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  • burned, they could be killed,
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  • they could be put to death.
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  • I'd love for you to just--you
  • 00:25:39.070 --> 00:25:42.070
  • spoke some things at a meeting
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  • that we had that brought
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  • world leaders together.
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  • And it may be good to encourage
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  • them as they are holding it down
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  • but they are facing life and
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  • death for Jesus every single day
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  • they go out their doors.
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  • - Timothy: Well, first of all,
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  • Jesus did it for them.
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  • In other words, we wouldn't
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  • be believers, we wouldn't have
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  • his Spirit, we wouldn't have
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  • anything if he hadn't
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  • first done it for us.
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  • And so again, I would say most
  • 00:26:15.090 --> 00:26:18.090
  • American Christians don't--we
  • 00:26:18.090 --> 00:26:19.290
  • don't know this first-hand.
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  • The fact is that when you--when
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  • Jesus calls you to be willing
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  • to be true to him, even to
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  • the death, it's not--he's not
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  • calling you to do anything
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  • he didn't do already for you.
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  • And that's really important
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  • to remember.
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  • Secondly, all the things that
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  • the Bible teaches are true,
  • 00:26:40.260 --> 00:26:43.260
  • literally.
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  • I'll tell you two things that
  • 00:26:45.030 --> 00:26:46.050
  • might be of some help.
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  • Howard Thurman was an African
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  • American scholar and thinker who
  • 00:26:51.070 --> 00:26:54.070
  • did a very famous 1947 lecture.
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  • It's in the "Making Sense
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  • of God" book.
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  • You can find it if
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  • you look it up.
  • 00:26:59.230 --> 00:27:02.000
  • Howard Thurman did a very famous
  • 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.140
  • lecture at Harvard University
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  • on the theology behind
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  • African American spirituals.
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  • And in it, at one point he said
  • 00:27:08.280 --> 00:27:11.180
  • a lot of his educated friends
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  • say, "Oh, Christianity's great
  • 00:27:14.190 --> 00:27:16.170
  • but you can't take all that
  • 00:27:16.170 --> 00:27:18.060
  • literally."
  • 00:27:18.060 --> 00:27:19.090
  • And he made the case,
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  • he says the reason why
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  • African American slaves
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  • got the hope
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  • to face unbelievable pain
  • 00:27:25.120 --> 00:27:27.230
  • and suffering from Christianity
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  • was because they did take
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  • what the Bible said literally.
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  • There was a real crown waiting.
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  • There's a real heaven.
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  • There, someday,
  • 00:27:37.110 --> 00:27:38.140
  • will be a judgment day.
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  • You know, Job says, "Someday,
  • 00:27:40.190 --> 00:27:43.190
  • you know, my redeemer lives
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  • and he will stand on the earth,
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  • and he'll make the new heavens
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  • and new earth."
  • 00:27:49.050 --> 00:27:49.220
  • And so Howard Thurman says,
  • 00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:51.030
  • so, for example,
  • 00:27:51.030 --> 00:27:53.060
  • what if you went to
  • 00:27:53.060 --> 00:27:54.090
  • African American slaves in,
  • 00:27:54.090 --> 00:27:55.040
  • say, 1830 and you say,
  • 00:27:55.040 --> 00:27:56.260
  • you know, there really
  • 00:27:56.260 --> 00:27:57.180
  • isn't any heaven and it's all
  • 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:58.110
  • figurative, it's all symbolic.
  • 00:27:58.110 --> 00:28:00.230
  • There never will be new heavens
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  • and new earth.
  • 00:28:02.010 --> 00:28:03.020
  • There is no afterlife.
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  • But if we really, really work
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  • on social policy, good social
  • 00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:08.100
  • policy, some of
  • 00:28:08.100 --> 00:28:09.250
  • your descendants might have
  • 00:28:09.250 --> 00:28:11.000
  • a slightly better life.
  • 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.090
  • Okay, now, take that hope and
  • 00:28:13.090 --> 00:28:15.070
  • get out there into the cotton
  • 00:28:15.070 --> 00:28:16.220
  • fields and, you know, face it.
  • 00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:18.280
  • And the answer is, he says,
  • 00:28:18.280 --> 00:28:20.000
  • that wouldn't have been enough
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  • to face it.
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  • That wouldn't have been enough
  • 00:28:22.010 --> 00:28:23.000
  • to face it.
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  • What--they took literally what
  • 00:28:23.210 --> 00:28:26.010
  • the Bible said was what
  • 00:28:26.010 --> 00:28:28.020
  • every believer is gonna get.
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  • No matter how bad your life
  • 00:28:29.270 --> 00:28:31.070
  • goes, someday, someday in
  • 00:28:31.070 --> 00:28:33.270
  • the new heavens and new earth,
  • 00:28:33.270 --> 00:28:35.090
  • in heaven, it'll be great.
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  • It'll be--so all the promises,
  • 00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:40.040
  • God might help you now but
  • 00:28:40.040 --> 00:28:42.010
  • eventually all the things that
  • 00:28:42.010 --> 00:28:43.060
  • the Bible promises are gonna
  • 00:28:43.060 --> 00:28:44.100
  • come true, literally, to you.
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  • And so--
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  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:28:51.230 --> 00:28:54.230
  • - Timothy: So Jesus not only
  • 00:28:54.230 --> 00:28:55.250
  • faced death but
  • 00:28:55.250 --> 00:28:56.270
  • he went through death for you.
  • 00:28:56.270 --> 00:28:58.180
  • And therefore, you should face
  • 00:28:58.180 --> 00:29:00.030
  • death since he's done it
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  • for you.
  • 00:29:01.060 --> 00:29:01.280
  • And even if, frankly, here's
  • 00:29:01.280 --> 00:29:04.160
  • a great thing, even if death
  • 00:29:04.190 --> 00:29:07.190
  • happens to you, it'll only make
  • 00:29:07.190 --> 00:29:08.220
  • your life better.
  • 00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:10.050
  • If you're in him.
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  • If you're in him.
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  • I mean, and you know,
  • 00:29:13.250 --> 00:29:15.020
  • ultimately you really can't
  • 00:29:15.020 --> 00:29:16.110
  • ultimately lose.
  • 00:29:16.110 --> 00:29:18.000
  • Now that's an easy thing
  • 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.010
  • for--you and I are in a pretty
  • 00:29:19.010 --> 00:29:20.100
  • comfortable spot right now.
  • 00:29:20.100 --> 00:29:22.140
  • Nevertheless, we know over
  • 00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:24.020
  • the centuries that kind of hope
  • 00:29:24.020 --> 00:29:25.280
  • has been what's enabled
  • 00:29:25.280 --> 00:29:27.050
  • Christians for many, many,
  • 00:29:27.050 --> 00:29:28.110
  • many years to face death.
  • 00:29:28.110 --> 00:29:30.100
  • So with confidence and with
  • 00:29:30.100 --> 00:29:32.280
  • a certain amount of peace and
  • 00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:34.100
  • it will work today too, so.
  • 00:29:34.100 --> 00:29:36.010
  • - Dimas: Wow.
  • 00:29:36.010 --> 00:29:37.260
  • That's beautiful.
  • 00:29:37.260 --> 00:29:39.270
  • What do you think as Christians
  • 00:29:45.090 --> 00:29:48.090
  • and as Christian leaders,
  • 00:29:48.110 --> 00:29:51.110
  • pastors are probably watching,
  • 00:29:51.110 --> 00:29:53.090
  • different people, what does
  • 00:29:53.090 --> 00:29:55.010
  • it--what can we do to equip
  • 00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:58.030
  • the body of Christ to almost
  • 00:29:58.030 --> 00:30:00.140
  • do like the volunteer student
  • 00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:02.150
  • movement where they would
  • 00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:04.010
  • go out into the mission field.
  • 00:30:04.010 --> 00:30:05.240
  • They would go out and declare.
  • 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:07.250
  • You know, as I read the Book of
  • 00:30:07.250 --> 00:30:08.280
  • Acts, it doesn't feel like it's
  • 00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:10.210
  • much different than ISIS in
  • 00:30:10.210 --> 00:30:13.090
  • the world, these kind of things.
  • 00:30:13.090 --> 00:30:15.020
  • It said, hey, Peter had to
  • 00:30:15.020 --> 00:30:16.270
  • leave at one point
  • 00:30:16.270 --> 00:30:17.270
  • and run for his life.
  • 00:30:17.270 --> 00:30:19.240
  • But then they would go and they
  • 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.140
  • would declare at great risk.
  • 00:30:21.140 --> 00:30:23.180
  • How could we prepare
  • 00:30:23.180 --> 00:30:25.130
  • this western church
  • 00:30:25.130 --> 00:30:27.270
  • to kind of get with it?
  • 00:30:27.270 --> 00:30:29.160
  • for a minute, let me think
  • 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:32.140
  • about our younger people.
  • 00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:33.090
  • I actually, I'm concerned
  • 00:30:33.090 --> 00:30:34.040
  • about them.
  • 00:30:34.040 --> 00:30:35.240
  • A lot of them have
  • 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:36.280
  • a lot of questions.
  • 00:30:36.280 --> 00:30:38.090
  • I do think that when we were
  • 00:30:38.090 --> 00:30:39.290
  • coming up and I--well, listen.
  • 00:30:39.290 --> 00:30:42.110
  • I'm older than you and you're
  • 00:30:42.110 --> 00:30:44.040
  • older than young people but I
  • 00:30:44.040 --> 00:30:46.190
  • do--so we're talking about three
  • 00:30:46.190 --> 00:30:48.120
  • But I mean, generally,
  • 00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:51.090
  • I do think we didn't question
  • 00:30:51.090 --> 00:30:52.150
  • the same way younger people
  • 00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:53.210
  • are questioning.
  • 00:30:53.210 --> 00:30:54.250
  • That's--your question
  • 00:30:56.020 --> 00:30:59.020
  • is so enormous, I can just
  • 00:30:59.020 --> 00:31:00.140
  • say a couple of things.
  • 00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:01.180
  • So one is that we should not be
  • 00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:05.040
  • afraid to let our young people
  • 00:31:05.040 --> 00:31:06.060
  • ask questions.
  • 00:31:06.060 --> 00:31:07.070
  • We shouldn't get all over them.
  • 00:31:07.070 --> 00:31:08.240
  • I think it's--in
  • 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.190
  • "The Hidden Christmas" book,
  • 00:31:10.190 --> 00:31:11.260
  • I point out
  • 00:31:11.260 --> 00:31:13.030
  • that when Gabriel went to
  • 00:31:13.030 --> 00:31:14.030
  • Zechariah to tell him about the
  • 00:31:14.030 --> 00:31:16.080
  • fact he was gonna have a child,
  • 00:31:16.080 --> 00:31:17.280
  • John the Baptist, and then in
  • 00:31:17.280 --> 00:31:18.260
  • the same chapter, he goes to
  • 00:31:18.260 --> 00:31:20.170
  • Mary to tell her that
  • 00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:21.290
  • she's gonna have Jesus.
  • 00:31:21.290 --> 00:31:23.170
  • So he goes to Zechariah
  • 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:25.040
  • and he says,
  • 00:31:25.040 --> 00:31:26.100
  • "You're gonna have a child."
  • 00:31:26.100 --> 00:31:27.260
  • And he says, "How can this be?"
  • 00:31:27.260 --> 00:31:30.190
  • And he's punished.
  • 00:31:30.190 --> 00:31:32.150
  • He has doubts and he's punished
  • 00:31:32.150 --> 00:31:33.290
  • because the angel says, "Well,
  • 00:31:34.070 --> 00:31:37.070
  • then you're not gonna be able
  • 00:31:37.070 --> 00:31:38.060
  • to speak until John's born."
  • 00:31:38.060 --> 00:31:39.270
  • - Dimas: That's right.
  • 00:31:39.270 --> 00:31:40.230
  • - Timothy: He goes to Mary and
  • 00:31:40.230 --> 00:31:42.110
  • Mary says, "How can this be?"
  • 00:31:42.110 --> 00:31:44.040
  • And he just gives her
  • 00:31:44.040 --> 00:31:46.000
  • more information.
  • 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.050
  • And I think it's--here's what
  • 00:31:48.050 --> 00:31:49.220
  • that means is I believe there's
  • 00:31:49.220 --> 00:31:51.030
  • several kinds of doubts.
  • 00:31:51.030 --> 00:31:52.230
  • There's a kind of doubt in which
  • 00:31:52.230 --> 00:31:54.050
  • you're really just trying to
  • 00:31:54.050 --> 00:31:55.060
  • not face the truth.
  • 00:31:55.060 --> 00:31:57.120
  • You're really--it's just
  • 00:31:57.120 --> 00:31:58.050
  • an excuse to just not ever
  • 00:31:58.050 --> 00:31:59.030
  • come down.
  • 00:31:59.030 --> 00:32:00.130
  • There's also a kind of doubt
  • 00:32:00.130 --> 00:32:01.130
  • that really wants more
  • 00:32:01.130 --> 00:32:02.180
  • information.
  • 00:32:02.180 --> 00:32:03.210
  • Really wants to believe.
  • 00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:04.160
  • Wants to believe--
  • 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.160
  • needs more knowledge.
  • 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.290
  • So when you younger people start
  • 00:32:07.290 --> 00:32:09.290
  • to ask the questions,
  • 00:32:09.290 --> 00:32:11.090
  • the Book of Jude says, "Be
  • 00:32:11.090 --> 00:32:13.200
  • merciful to them that doubt,"
  • 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.090
  • which means you don't know
  • 00:32:16.090 --> 00:32:17.240
  • what kind of doubt it is
  • 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:18.260
  • so don't immediately say, "How
  • 00:32:18.260 --> 00:32:20.010
  • can you ask those questions?"
  • 00:32:20.010 --> 00:32:21.230
  • You need to nurture them.
  • 00:32:21.270 --> 00:32:24.270
  • At a certain point, you might
  • 00:32:24.270 --> 00:32:25.270
  • actually push back when it looks
  • 00:32:25.270 --> 00:32:27.030
  • like all the questions
  • 00:32:27.030 --> 00:32:28.020
  • are really just an excuse,
  • 00:32:28.020 --> 00:32:29.210
  • like Zechariah.
  • 00:32:29.210 --> 00:32:30.290
  • But if the questions are
  • 00:32:30.290 --> 00:32:32.230
  • more like Mary, you keep
  • 00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:34.060
  • giving information and you--
  • 00:32:34.060 --> 00:32:35.110
  • so let's work on that.
  • 00:32:35.110 --> 00:32:36.210
  • Because they're not gonna be
  • 00:32:36.210 --> 00:32:37.250
  • willing to go out unless
  • 00:32:37.250 --> 00:32:38.210
  • they're convinced.
  • 00:32:38.210 --> 00:32:39.170
  • And I don't think they're gonna
  • 00:32:39.170 --> 00:32:40.240
  • be convinced--I do think in
  • 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:41.250
  • the past we've just said,
  • 00:32:41.250 --> 00:32:43.140
  • when people ask questions,
  • 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:44.030
  • "You just believe because
  • 00:32:44.030 --> 00:32:45.070
  • we're a Christian family
  • 00:32:45.070 --> 00:32:46.090
  • and we're a Christian church
  • 00:32:46.090 --> 00:32:47.200
  • and we're your people and you're
  • 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.070
  • our people and don't question."
  • 00:32:49.070 --> 00:32:50.290
  • I don't think
  • 00:32:50.290 --> 00:32:52.020
  • that's gonna work anymore.
  • 00:32:52.020 --> 00:32:53.050
  • We have a much more skeptical
  • 00:32:53.050 --> 00:32:54.020
  • place--skeptical society.
  • 00:32:54.020 --> 00:32:56.240
  • You're gonna have to let 'em
  • 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:57.190
  • think.
  • 00:32:57.190 --> 00:32:58.100
  • You're gonna have to let 'em
  • 00:32:58.100 --> 00:32:59.000
  • work it out.
  • 00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:59.160
  • And they gotta be
  • 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:00.040
  • really convinced.
  • 00:33:00.040 --> 00:33:01.170
  • And then I actually do think
  • 00:33:01.170 --> 00:33:03.060
  • at a certain point, you have to
  • 00:33:03.060 --> 00:33:04.060
  • say, "You've gotta identify
  • 00:33:04.060 --> 00:33:05.110
  • publicly as a Christian,
  • 00:33:05.110 --> 00:33:06.210
  • even though it's gonna--you're
  • 00:33:06.210 --> 00:33:07.280
  • gonna take flak for it."
  • 00:33:07.280 --> 00:33:08.290
  • So those are some ideas.
  • 00:33:08.290 --> 00:33:10.060
  • Unfortunately, I didn't even
  • 00:33:10.060 --> 00:33:12.000
  • begin to answer all of
  • 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.160
  • the question because
  • 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.020
  • it's such a big one, so.
  • 00:33:16.020 --> 00:33:17.200
  • - Dimas: Awesome, awesome.
  • 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.290
  • Man, this has been such an honor
  • 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.200
  • to have you with us and to hear
  • 00:33:23.210 --> 00:33:26.210
  • what you're saying.
  • 00:33:26.210 --> 00:33:27.190
  • Do you have any closing remarks
  • 00:33:27.190 --> 00:33:28.280
  • that you would like to just
  • 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:30.140
  • address the camera and just
  • 00:33:30.230 --> 00:33:33.230
  • speak to some people that are
  • 00:33:33.230 --> 00:33:35.070
  • viewing and paying attention and
  • 00:33:35.070 --> 00:33:37.140
  • are thinking about the holidays.
  • 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:39.050
  • Maybe they're gonna be alone.
  • 00:33:39.050 --> 00:33:40.180
  • Maybe this--maybe this brings
  • 00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:41.290
  • them to really deal with
  • 00:33:41.290 --> 00:33:43.250
  • the loss of family members and
  • 00:33:43.250 --> 00:33:46.180
  • all those kind of situations
  • 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:47.290
  • that surround even the glory
  • 00:33:47.290 --> 00:33:50.060
  • of Christ's Coming but also
  • 00:33:50.060 --> 00:33:52.030
  • it reminds them of deep sorrow.
  • 00:33:52.030 --> 00:33:54.250
  • - Timothy: Yeah, if you've lost
  • 00:33:54.250 --> 00:33:56.110
  • a spouse, for example, if you
  • 00:33:56.110 --> 00:33:58.290
  • lost a loved one this year, if
  • 00:33:58.290 --> 00:34:00.270
  • you have had actually any kind
  • 00:34:00.270 --> 00:34:03.050
  • of sorrow, major grief
  • 00:34:03.050 --> 00:34:05.040
  • or major loss this year,
  • 00:34:05.040 --> 00:34:06.060
  • Christmas is--
  • 00:34:06.060 --> 00:34:07.140
  • you're just dreading Christmas.
  • 00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.280
  • I'm so sorry because Christmas
  • 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.240
  • should be a time of joy
  • 00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:12.040
  • but the fact is
  • 00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:13.100
  • that Christmas reminds you
  • 00:34:13.100 --> 00:34:14.180
  • of the other Christmases
  • 00:34:14.180 --> 00:34:15.210
  • you had with the person,
  • 00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:17.070
  • for example, that you've lost or
  • 00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:19.030
  • maybe you've lost a condition,
  • 00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:20.290
  • a job or a home
  • 00:34:20.290 --> 00:34:22.240
  • or something like that.
  • 00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:23.240
  • Then Christmas actually
  • 00:34:23.240 --> 00:34:24.260
  • almost wounds you more.
  • 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:27.080
  • But here's--there's two ways
  • 00:34:27.170 --> 00:34:30.170
  • to deal with suffering.
  • 00:34:30.170 --> 00:34:31.270
  • One is to let it drive you away
  • 00:34:31.270 --> 00:34:33.020
  • from God and one is to let you--
  • 00:34:33.020 --> 00:34:35.010
  • let it drive you closer to God.
  • 00:34:35.010 --> 00:34:36.130
  • I mean, suffering can be
  • 00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:38.060
  • the hammer that drives you like
  • 00:34:38.060 --> 00:34:39.220
  • a nail into the love of God
  • 00:34:39.220 --> 00:34:42.110
  • because you just cling to him.
  • 00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:43.250
  • I would say at Christmas, even
  • 00:34:43.250 --> 00:34:46.230
  • if you feel like you're getting
  • 00:34:46.230 --> 00:34:47.290
  • weaker, even if you don't
  • 00:34:47.290 --> 00:34:49.280
  • feel like praying, pray.
  • 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.100
  • If you don't feel like
  • 00:34:51.100 --> 00:34:52.000
  • worshiping, worship.
  • 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.030
  • If you don't feel like going
  • 00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:53.230
  • to church, go to church.
  • 00:34:53.230 --> 00:34:55.030
  • And afterwards, you'll actually
  • 00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:56.210
  • feel--just like when you go
  • 00:34:56.210 --> 00:34:58.140
  • to the gymnasium and you're
  • 00:34:58.140 --> 00:34:59.250
  • exercising, you feel like
  • 00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:01.050
  • you're getting weaker,
  • 00:35:01.050 --> 00:35:02.080
  • even though you're
  • 00:35:02.080 --> 00:35:03.140
  • actually getting stronger.
  • 00:35:03.140 --> 00:35:05.010
  • If you just hold on to God
  • 00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:07.080
  • during hard times, and Christmas
  • 00:35:07.080 --> 00:35:09.010
  • can be a really hard time for
  • 00:35:09.010 --> 00:35:09.280
  • someone who's suffered recently,
  • 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.110
  • you'll find that when it's over,
  • 00:35:11.110 --> 00:35:13.000
  • when you're out of
  • 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:13.200
  • the gymnasium,
  • 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:14.090
  • you're stronger for it.
  • 00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:16.000
  • So don't let suffering
  • 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.120
  • and don't let Christmas
  • 00:35:17.120 --> 00:35:18.250
  • drive you away from Jesus.
  • 00:35:18.250 --> 00:35:20.040
  • It can.
  • 00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:21.020
  • Let it drive you toward him,
  • 00:35:21.020 --> 00:35:22.190
  • even though it may be painful
  • 00:35:22.190 --> 00:35:23.150
  • at the moment.
  • 00:35:23.150 --> 00:35:26.030
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:34.010
  • - Dimas: Well, folks,
  • 00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:36.290
  • let's give a round of applause
  • 00:35:36.290 --> 00:35:37.270
  • for Dr. Timothy Keller.
  • 00:35:37.270 --> 00:35:40.210
  • Whoo!
  • 00:35:40.210 --> 00:35:42.090
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:47.240
  • Tim, thank you so much.
  • 00:35:47.240 --> 00:35:49.190
  • We love you here at TBN.
  • 00:35:49.190 --> 00:35:51.290
  • We love sharing your wisdom with
  • 00:35:51.290 --> 00:35:53.160
  • so many others and continue to
  • 00:35:53.160 --> 00:35:56.110
  • do the great work you're doing
  • 00:35:56.110 --> 00:35:58.020
  • and please tell the family
  • 00:35:58.020 --> 00:35:59.270
  • we said a Great TBN Christmas
  • 00:35:59.270 --> 00:36:02.130
  • to you and your family.
  • 00:36:02.130 --> 00:36:03.230
  • - Timothy: Thanks for the warm
  • 00:36:03.230 --> 00:36:04.150
  • welcome.
  • 00:36:04.150 --> 00:36:04.250
  • Thank you.
  • 00:36:04.250 --> 00:36:05.100
  • - Dimas: Thank you so much,
  • 00:36:05.100 --> 00:36:06.000
  • - Dimas: Thank you so much,
  • 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.230
  • - Dimas: Now we have a very
  • 00:36:15.190 --> 00:36:18.190
  • special guest with us today.
  • 00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:21.080
  • She's a author and reporter,
  • 00:36:21.080 --> 00:36:22.210
  • correspondent on
  • 00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:24.000
  • the longest-running, top-rated,
  • 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.030
  • syndicated national news
  • 00:36:26.030 --> 00:36:28.020
  • magazine television show,
  • 00:36:28.060 --> 00:36:31.060
  • "Inside Edition."
  • 00:36:31.060 --> 00:36:33.070
  • Released her first book
  • 00:36:33.070 --> 00:36:34.110
  • with Simon & Schuster
  • 00:36:34.110 --> 00:36:37.040
  • on October 4, 2016.
  • 00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:40.130
  • It's called, "Faith in
  • 00:36:40.130 --> 00:36:42.060
  • the Spotlight: Thriving in Your
  • 00:36:43.070 --> 00:36:46.070
  • Community While Staying True
  • 00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:48.100
  • to Your Beliefs."
  • 00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:49.220
  • Please put your hands together
  • 00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:51.240
  • for Megan Alexander.
  • 00:36:51.240 --> 00:36:54.190
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:59.010
  • - Dimas: Hey!
  • 00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:00.080
  • - Megan Alexander: Good to see
  • 00:37:00.080 --> 00:37:02.110
  • you, hi, everybody.
  • 00:37:03.220 --> 00:37:06.220
  • - Dimas: Wow, Megan,
  • 00:37:06.220 --> 00:37:07.270
  • you look fantastic.
  • 00:37:07.270 --> 00:37:09.050
  • So great to have you on TBN.
  • 00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:11.030
  • - Megan: It's so great to be
  • 00:37:11.030 --> 00:37:12.070
  • here and I gotta tell you,
  • 00:37:12.070 --> 00:37:13.080
  • my alma mater's here,
  • 00:37:13.080 --> 00:37:14.260
  • my high school from Seattle's
  • 00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:16.020
  • here in the audience.
  • 00:37:16.020 --> 00:37:17.020
  • - Dimas: What?
  • 00:37:17.020 --> 00:37:17.240
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:37:17.240 --> 00:37:18.240
  • - Megan: What's up, King's?
  • 00:37:18.240 --> 00:37:21.100
  • - Dimas: Awesome, awesome,
  • 00:37:21.100 --> 00:37:22.150
  • awesome.
  • 00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:24.150
  • So you're normally sitting
  • 00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:25.220
  • where I'm sitting,
  • 00:37:25.220 --> 00:37:26.120
  • doing what I'm doing.
  • 00:37:26.120 --> 00:37:27.130
  • So it's good to see you
  • 00:37:27.130 --> 00:37:28.220
  • on the other side.
  • 00:37:28.220 --> 00:37:29.240
  • - Megan: And thanks for
  • 00:37:29.240 --> 00:37:30.120
  • letting me follow Tim Keller.
  • 00:37:30.120 --> 00:37:31.220
  • I'm not gonna try to top that.
  • 00:37:31.220 --> 00:37:34.000
  • That was awesome, praise God,
  • 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.210
  • praise God.
  • 00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:36.160
  • Wow.
  • 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:37.060
  • - Dimas: Oh, yeah, well,
  • 00:37:37.060 --> 00:37:37.260
  • thank God.
  • 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:38.160
  • And I know you used to go to his
  • 00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:39.090
  • church for a good block of time,
  • 00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:40.200
  • so this is a special time for
  • 00:37:40.200 --> 00:37:42.210
  • all of us.
  • 00:37:42.210 --> 00:37:43.230
  • And to be able to do this around
  • 00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:45.060
  • the holidays is great.
  • 00:37:45.060 --> 00:37:46.190
  • - Megan: Yes, indeed.
  • 00:37:46.190 --> 00:37:47.060
  • - Dimas: So enough about this.
  • 00:37:47.060 --> 00:37:48.160
  • Why did you write this book?
  • 00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:50.110
  • - Megan: Yeah, you know,
  • 00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:51.000
  • I gotta be honest with you.
  • 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.220
  • I did not go into this industry
  • 00:37:52.220 --> 00:37:54.010
  • wearing my WWJD bracelet,
  • 00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:55.290
  • I wanted to be known
  • 00:37:58.020 --> 00:37:59.040
  • for good work.
  • 00:37:59.040 --> 00:37:59.290
  • I just wanted to be
  • 00:37:59.290 --> 00:38:00.290
  • a good reporter, a good host,
  • 00:38:00.290 --> 00:38:02.060
  • a good interviewer,
  • 00:38:02.060 --> 00:38:03.020
  • a good writer.
  • 00:38:03.020 --> 00:38:04.080
  • But a couple of years ago--
  • 00:38:04.080 --> 00:38:06.020
  • I've been in the industry now
  • 00:38:06.020 --> 00:38:07.020
  • for over a decade and a couple
  • 00:38:07.020 --> 00:38:08.040
  • of years ago I got an e-mail
  • 00:38:08.040 --> 00:38:09.170
  • from a pastor,
  • 00:38:09.170 --> 00:38:10.160
  • actually out in Seattle,
  • 00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:12.060
  • Bothell Methodist Church.
  • 00:38:12.060 --> 00:38:14.020
  • And he wrote to me and he said,
  • 00:38:14.020 --> 00:38:14.270
  • "Megan, I have a church full of
  • 00:38:14.270 --> 00:38:16.150
  • They have big career goals
  • 00:38:18.220 --> 00:38:20.010
  • and dreams but they're worried
  • 00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:21.200
  • they're gonna need to compromise
  • 00:38:21.200 --> 00:38:22.270
  • their faith to climb the ladder
  • 00:38:22.270 --> 00:38:24.130
  • to get that corporate job
  • 00:38:24.130 --> 00:38:26.010
  • or to work in entertainment."
  • 00:38:26.010 --> 00:38:27.160
  • He said,
  • 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:28.050
  • "I have few role models to point
  • 00:38:28.050 --> 00:38:29.160
  • them towards but I know of you.
  • 00:38:29.160 --> 00:38:31.130
  • Will you come speak
  • 00:38:31.130 --> 00:38:32.020
  • to my church?"
  • 00:38:32.020 --> 00:38:32.280
  • And that touched my heart.
  • 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.040
  • I'd received that e-mail before
  • 00:38:34.040 --> 00:38:35.200
  • and I thought that was me many,
  • 00:38:35.200 --> 00:38:37.150
  • many years ago, wondering how
  • 00:38:37.150 --> 00:38:39.000
  • it was all gonna work together,
  • 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:40.100
  • faith and work.
  • 00:38:40.100 --> 00:38:41.090
  • What does it mean?
  • 00:38:41.090 --> 00:38:42.070
  • And so I said, "I'd love to come
  • 00:38:42.070 --> 00:38:43.110
  • speak to your church."
  • 00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:44.120
  • I'm gonna take it
  • 00:38:44.120 --> 00:38:45.010
  • a step further.
  • 00:38:45.010 --> 00:38:45.210
  • I'm going to write this book,
  • 00:38:45.210 --> 00:38:47.020
  • a practical guide for the young
  • 00:38:47.020 --> 00:38:49.000
  • person of faith that has big
  • 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.240
  • dreams and wants to tackle the
  • 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:51.270
  • world and go for it,
  • 00:38:51.270 --> 00:38:53.050
  • but isn't sure how it's gonna
  • 00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:54.270
  • play out when you're covering
  • 00:38:54.270 --> 00:38:56.180
  • a story or having a conversation
  • 00:38:56.180 --> 00:38:57.290
  • with a colleague.
  • 00:38:57.290 --> 00:38:58.260
  • So practically, I tried
  • 00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:59.250
  • to attack that conversation
  • 00:38:59.250 --> 00:39:01.020
  • from a variety of angles.
  • 00:39:01.020 --> 00:39:02.110
  • - Dimas: Now, I remember when
  • 00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:03.270
  • I was coming up and a lot
  • 00:39:03.270 --> 00:39:05.250
  • of people experience this.
  • 00:39:05.250 --> 00:39:07.090
  • There were some people that
  • 00:39:07.090 --> 00:39:08.030
  • would almost try to steer you
  • 00:39:08.030 --> 00:39:10.060
  • away from this kind of work.
  • 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.000
  • You know, they would say,
  • 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.040
  • "Ah, it's about pride.
  • 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:16.210
  • It's about you.
  • 00:39:16.210 --> 00:39:17.190
  • It's about--" So how did you
  • 00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:19.080
  • deal with that and remain
  • 00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:21.070
  • so solid and still
  • 00:39:21.070 --> 00:39:23.150
  • chased after your dream?"
  • 00:39:23.150 --> 00:39:24.200
  • - Megan: Sure.
  • 00:39:24.200 --> 00:39:25.120
  • Well, I actually had a family
  • 00:39:25.120 --> 00:39:26.030
  • member tell me, "Why on earth
  • 00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:27.230
  • would you wanna work in
  • 00:39:27.230 --> 00:39:28.190
  • entertainment?
  • 00:39:28.190 --> 00:39:29.070
  • That's Satan's playground.
  • 00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:30.070
  • What are you thinking?
  • 00:39:30.070 --> 00:39:31.120
  • You know, what?"
  • 00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:32.130
  • But a pivotal moment for me,
  • 00:39:32.130 --> 00:39:33.210
  • Pastor Dimas, was in
  • 00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:35.280
  • high school, actually at King's.
  • 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.180
  • We were all getting ready
  • 00:39:37.180 --> 00:39:38.090
  • for prom.
  • 00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:38.240
  • I remember this vividly.
  • 00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:40.060
  • A group of us, we were taking
  • 00:39:40.060 --> 00:39:41.160
  • pictures in the back yard of
  • 00:39:41.160 --> 00:39:43.030
  • somebody's home.
  • 00:39:43.030 --> 00:39:44.040
  • And one of the guys in our
  • 00:39:44.040 --> 00:39:45.160
  • group, his father was a pastor,
  • 00:39:45.160 --> 00:39:47.040
  • the Reverend Shields, and
  • 00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:48.250
  • we were all talking about what
  • 00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:49.270
  • we wanna be when we grow up.
  • 00:39:49.270 --> 00:39:51.090
  • And as we were going around
  • 00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:52.140
  • the group, he asked me
  • 00:39:52.140 --> 00:39:53.150
  • and I sort of apologized
  • 00:39:53.150 --> 00:39:54.180
  • as I gave my answer.
  • 00:39:54.180 --> 00:39:55.280
  • I said, "I think I wanna be
  • 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.180
  • a news reporter.
  • 00:39:57.180 --> 00:39:59.020
  • I know it's not a pastor, I know
  • 00:39:59.020 --> 00:40:00.040
  • it's not a doctor, but I think I
  • 00:40:00.040 --> 00:40:02.030
  • wanna go into the entertainment
  • 00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:03.190
  • industry and media."
  • 00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:04.180
  • Reverend Shield said something
  • 00:40:04.180 --> 00:40:06.270
  • to me that changed my life
  • 00:40:06.270 --> 00:40:08.060
  • in many ways.
  • 00:40:08.060 --> 00:40:08.270
  • He said, "Megan,
  • 00:40:08.270 --> 00:40:10.040
  • every job is a mission field.
  • 00:40:10.040 --> 00:40:11.260
  • Every person is a minister."
  • 00:40:11.260 --> 00:40:14.190
  • And suddenly, the world opens up
  • 00:40:14.190 --> 00:40:16.140
  • and you go, "Okay, well,
  • 00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:18.150
  • if God has planted these dreams
  • 00:40:18.150 --> 00:40:20.150
  • in my heart and I feel called
  • 00:40:20.150 --> 00:40:22.290
  • to this industry, maybe this
  • 00:40:22.290 --> 00:40:24.210
  • is what I'm supposed to do."
  • 00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:26.050
  • So it was honestly a matter
  • 00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:27.120
  • of putting one foot in front
  • 00:40:27.120 --> 00:40:28.240
  • of the other, planting
  • 00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:30.010
  • small seeds here and there.
  • 00:40:30.010 --> 00:40:31.110
  • I had no friends
  • 00:40:31.110 --> 00:40:32.040
  • in the industry.
  • 00:40:32.040 --> 00:40:32.290
  • My parents said, "Good luck.
  • 00:40:32.290 --> 00:40:34.070
  • We know no one in entertainment
  • 00:40:34.070 --> 00:40:35.150
  • and media, but we'll be praying
  • 00:40:35.150 --> 00:40:36.230
  • for ya, for God to open doors."
  • 00:40:36.230 --> 00:40:38.250
  • But it was hard work, tenacity,
  • 00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:40.260
  • determination, and being
  • 00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:42.050
  • convinced that God still wanted
  • 00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:43.230
  • me to pursue this job.
  • 00:40:43.230 --> 00:40:45.080
  • And he was either gonna close
  • 00:40:45.080 --> 00:40:46.050
  • the doors or keep, you know,
  • 00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:48.030
  • guiding me that direction,
  • 00:40:48.030 --> 00:40:49.200
  • so kept working and here I am
  • 00:40:49.200 --> 00:40:52.140
  • over a decade later.
  • 00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:53.070
  • - Dimas: Now, I did a little
  • 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:54.060
  • research on you and I heard you
  • 00:40:54.060 --> 00:40:55.130
  • kept knocking at the door,
  • 00:40:55.130 --> 00:40:57.020
  • knocking at the door, and then
  • 00:40:57.020 --> 00:40:58.290
  • this door of radio opened up
  • 00:40:58.290 --> 00:41:01.050
  • for you.
  • 00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:01.220
  • Tell us a little bit about that.
  • 00:41:01.220 --> 00:41:03.060
  • - Megan: Yes, well, my first
  • 00:41:03.060 --> 00:41:04.010
  • gig in radio was the overnight
  • 00:41:04.010 --> 00:41:06.280
  • shift at a classical music
  • 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.200
  • station in Santa Barbara,
  • 00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:10.150
  • California.
  • 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:11.040
  • "Classics to Sunrise,"
  • 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:12.040
  • But I was so excited.
  • 00:41:14.120 --> 00:41:15.260
  • I was so excited because it was
  • 00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:17.000
  • a foot in the door.
  • 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.000
  • And I believe small steps,
  • 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.110
  • if done well, small tasks,
  • 00:41:19.110 --> 00:41:21.230
  • if done with excellence,
  • 00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:22.230
  • can lead to greater things.
  • 00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:24.030
  • And that is totally my story.
  • 00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:25.070
  • another small gig which
  • 00:41:27.170 --> 00:41:28.140
  • eventually led to an opportunity
  • 00:41:28.140 --> 00:41:30.020
  • to fill in for a week at a local
  • 00:41:30.020 --> 00:41:31.260
  • television station, giving
  • 00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:33.040
  • the traffic report in
  • 00:41:33.040 --> 00:41:34.170
  • the morning for a local FOX
  • 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:35.270
  • station in Nashville, Tennessee.
  • 00:41:35.270 --> 00:41:37.050
  • And it was just one thing led to
  • 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:38.070
  • the next.
  • 00:41:38.070 --> 00:41:39.080
  • Did my best.
  • 00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:40.110
  • And then again, eventually,
  • 00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:42.150
  • finally, got an opportunity to
  • 00:41:42.150 --> 00:41:44.100
  • audition for "Inside Edition."
  • 00:41:44.100 --> 00:41:45.280
  • Again, not sure if that was
  • 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.150
  • gonna work out but wanting to
  • 00:41:47.150 --> 00:41:48.230
  • do it for the experience
  • 00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:49.290
  • and to get feedback.
  • 00:41:49.290 --> 00:41:51.280
  • And I got the gig.
  • 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.170
  • I got the job.
  • 00:41:53.170 --> 00:41:54.160
  • So it was very much hard work,
  • 00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:56.210
  • hustling, one of my favorite
  • 00:41:56.210 --> 00:41:58.040
  • chapters to write in the book
  • 00:41:58.040 --> 00:41:59.040
  • is called, "Do the Hustle."
  • 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:00.080
  • I think nothing beats
  • 00:42:00.080 --> 00:42:01.070
  • hard work and determination.
  • 00:42:01.070 --> 00:42:03.030
  • And I think as believers,
  • 00:42:03.030 --> 00:42:04.130
  • we need to get in there.
  • 00:42:04.130 --> 00:42:06.240
  • We need to do jobs with
  • 00:42:06.240 --> 00:42:08.010
  • excellence.
  • 00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:08.240
  • I want Christians to take their
  • 00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:10.060
  • seat at the table and, if
  • 00:42:10.060 --> 00:42:12.020
  • you have big goals and dreams,
  • 00:42:12.020 --> 00:42:13.100
  • go for it.
  • 00:42:13.100 --> 00:42:14.160
  • Get there, take a seat at
  • 00:42:14.160 --> 00:42:16.090
  • the table, be in the mix
  • 00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:18.080
  • of society and of industries
  • 00:42:18.080 --> 00:42:19.230
  • if that's what's planted
  • 00:42:19.230 --> 00:42:20.200
  • on your heart.
  • 00:42:20.200 --> 00:42:21.150
  • I think, you know, Roma Downey
  • 00:42:21.150 --> 00:42:24.030
  • and Mark Burnett, who were
  • 00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:25.100
  • mentors of mine and wrote
  • 00:42:25.100 --> 00:42:26.130
  • a foreword for one of
  • 00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:27.180
  • the chapters in my book,
  • 00:42:27.180 --> 00:42:28.060
  • they mentioned a verse one time.
  • 00:42:28.060 --> 00:42:30.020
  • I saw them speaking in
  • 00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:30.290
  • New York City.
  • 00:42:30.290 --> 00:42:32.050
  • The verse, you're gonna know
  • 00:42:32.050 --> 00:42:33.030
  • this one, about how we're called
  • 00:42:33.030 --> 00:42:35.050
  • to be as gentle as doves
  • 00:42:35.050 --> 00:42:36.250
  • but as shrewd as serpents
  • 00:42:36.250 --> 00:42:39.140
  • or as smart as serpents.
  • 00:42:39.140 --> 00:42:41.050
  • And Mark Burnett said to this
  • 00:42:41.050 --> 00:42:42.220
  • group of us in media, he said,
  • 00:42:42.220 --> 00:42:43.240
  • "We've done a good job with
  • 00:42:43.240 --> 00:42:44.240
  • the gentle as doves parts.
  • 00:42:44.240 --> 00:42:46.230
  • Now it's time to get in there
  • 00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:48.030
  • and be smart
  • 00:42:48.030 --> 00:42:49.080
  • and do excellent work."
  • 00:42:49.080 --> 00:42:50.140
  • So that's my encouragement
  • 00:42:50.140 --> 00:42:52.230
  • to others is I think we,
  • 00:42:52.230 --> 00:42:54.020
  • some of us, are called
  • 00:42:54.020 --> 00:42:55.180
  • to get in there, work hard,
  • 00:42:55.180 --> 00:42:57.050
  • and stay the course.
  • 00:42:57.050 --> 00:42:58.160
  • - Dimas: So as a woman of faith
  • 00:42:58.160 --> 00:42:59.240
  • and you made some incredible
  • 00:42:59.240 --> 00:43:02.200
  • life choices in your faith,
  • 00:43:03.210 --> 00:43:06.210
  • what are some of the biggest
  • 00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:08.060
  • challenges that you've faced?
  • 00:43:08.060 --> 00:43:10.230
  • - Megan: Sure.
  • 00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:11.170
  • Well, I think not always knowing
  • 00:43:11.170 --> 00:43:14.080
  • exactly what it means
  • 00:43:14.080 --> 00:43:15.280
  • to find that opportunity
  • 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.200
  • to share my faith.
  • 00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:18.240
  • For me, it's not been
  • 00:43:18.240 --> 00:43:19.200
  • one big moment.
  • 00:43:19.200 --> 00:43:20.180
  • It's been a lot of
  • 00:43:20.180 --> 00:43:21.180
  • small moments.
  • 00:43:21.180 --> 00:43:22.180
  • It's been small conversations.
  • 00:43:22.180 --> 00:43:24.070
  • And again, it really started
  • 00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:26.020
  • with me wanting to do good work
  • 00:43:26.020 --> 00:43:28.030
  • and to be known as being someone
  • 00:43:28.030 --> 00:43:29.270
  • that I will deliver for my boss,
  • 00:43:29.270 --> 00:43:31.130
  • I will deliver for
  • 00:43:31.130 --> 00:43:32.100
  • my colleagues.
  • 00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:33.110
  • And then relationships form.
  • 00:43:33.110 --> 00:43:34.280
  • And I really think relationships
  • 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:36.150
  • are important.
  • 00:43:36.150 --> 00:43:37.120
  • And then along the way,
  • 00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:38.150
  • eventually, there have been
  • 00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:40.000
  • opportunities for me
  • 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.070
  • to share my faith.
  • 00:43:41.070 --> 00:43:42.160
  • Whether it's through my marriage
  • 00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:44.030
  • and the fact that I waited until
  • 00:43:44.030 --> 00:43:45.230
  • I was married to be with
  • 00:43:45.230 --> 00:43:47.100
  • my husband and abstinence
  • 00:43:47.100 --> 00:43:48.260
  • is highly unusual nowadays.
  • 00:43:48.260 --> 00:43:50.200
  • You wanna silence a room
  • 00:43:50.200 --> 00:43:52.020
  • in New York City,
  • 00:43:52.020 --> 00:43:52.260
  • talk about abstinence.
  • 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:55.010
  • They'll think you're crazy.
  • 00:43:55.010 --> 00:43:56.130
  • But that's my story and whether
  • 00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:57.190
  • it's talking about my marriage,
  • 00:43:57.190 --> 00:43:59.030
  • you know, and what I believe in,
  • 00:43:59.030 --> 00:44:01.110
  • they've been small moments for
  • 00:44:01.110 --> 00:44:02.220
  • me, and relationships and I'm
  • 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.280
  • just grateful for those
  • 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.290
  • small opportunities.
  • 00:44:06.290 --> 00:44:07.280
  • Again, I think actions
  • 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.160
  • speak louder than words
  • 00:44:09.160 --> 00:44:10.170
  • in our industry.
  • 00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:11.180
  • We need to be, again, doing
  • 00:44:11.180 --> 00:44:13.070
  • good work and delivering for our
  • 00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:14.120
  • colleagues and then looking for
  • 00:44:14.120 --> 00:44:15.210
  • those small moments to just be
  • 00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:17.210
  • who you are in the moment.
  • 00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:19.120
  • And let it just flow from
  • 00:44:19.120 --> 00:44:21.040
  • your life.
  • 00:44:21.040 --> 00:44:21.220
  • - Dimas: Now, I don't wanna
  • 00:44:21.220 --> 00:44:22.220
  • skip over that.
  • 00:44:22.220 --> 00:44:23.170
  • So, and I'm so grateful
  • 00:44:24.060 --> 00:44:27.060
  • as a pastor to have young ladies
  • 00:44:27.160 --> 00:44:30.160
  • that have come through my church
  • 00:44:30.160 --> 00:44:32.100
  • that have been abstinent until
  • 00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:34.040
  • they got married, in this city.
  • 00:44:34.040 --> 00:44:36.170
  • Some people think that is
  • 00:44:36.170 --> 00:44:38.010
  • impossible today.
  • 00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:40.000
  • Can you give hope to some
  • 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.200
  • parents watching today that are,
  • 00:44:41.200 --> 00:44:44.110
  • like, I want that for my son
  • 00:44:44.110 --> 00:44:46.070
  • or I want that for my daughter.
  • 00:44:46.070 --> 00:44:47.260
  • Talk about that chapter
  • 00:44:47.260 --> 00:44:49.160
  • for a little bit.
  • 00:44:49.160 --> 00:44:50.130
  • - Megan: Sure.
  • 00:44:50.130 --> 00:44:51.060
  • Well, the book is 90% career and
  • 00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:53.050
  • so a lot of people said to me,
  • 00:44:53.050 --> 00:44:54.150
  • "Why would you include a chapter
  • 00:44:54.150 --> 00:44:56.000
  • about abstinence
  • 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.030
  • in your book on career?"
  • 00:44:57.030 --> 00:44:58.070
  • But this is why.
  • 00:44:58.070 --> 00:44:59.130
  • Our personal decisions do indeed
  • 00:44:59.130 --> 00:45:01.200
  • affect our professional lives.
  • 00:45:01.200 --> 00:45:03.160
  • And a couple of years ago, my
  • 00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:06.020
  • pastor here in New York called
  • 00:45:06.020 --> 00:45:09.020
  • me up and said that a Christian
  • 00:45:09.020 --> 00:45:10.260
  • women's magazine was looking to
  • 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:12.120
  • do a cover issue on sex, dating,
  • 00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:14.290
  • and relationships, and marriage.
  • 00:45:14.290 --> 00:45:16.100
  • And they said, "We wanna
  • 00:45:16.100 --> 00:45:17.120
  • put someone on the cover
  • 00:45:17.120 --> 00:45:18.060
  • that believes in abstinence.
  • 00:45:18.060 --> 00:45:19.130
  • We're having a hard time
  • 00:45:19.130 --> 00:45:20.200
  • finding anybody.
  • 00:45:20.200 --> 00:45:21.260
  • Do you know anyone
  • 00:45:21.260 --> 00:45:22.190
  • in entertainment?"
  • 00:45:22.190 --> 00:45:23.270
  • And my pastor knew our story and
  • 00:45:23.270 --> 00:45:25.230
  • she said, "I don't know but I'll
  • 00:45:25.230 --> 00:45:26.240
  • call Megan up and see if
  • 00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:28.000
  • she'd be interested."
  • 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:28.290
  • And so she called me up and
  • 00:45:28.290 --> 00:45:30.040
  • I talked to my husband about it.
  • 00:45:30.040 --> 00:45:31.200
  • And, listen, we were discouraged
  • 00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:33.120
  • from some folks in our circle.
  • 00:45:33.120 --> 00:45:35.080
  • They were, like, "Why would
  • 00:45:35.080 --> 00:45:36.020
  • you wanna talk about that?
  • 00:45:36.020 --> 00:45:37.080
  • Shh, that's personal."
  • 00:45:37.080 --> 00:45:39.000
  • But my hubby and I decided
  • 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.090
  • if it encourages one person,
  • 00:45:40.090 --> 00:45:42.120
  • it's worth it.
  • 00:45:42.120 --> 00:45:44.060
  • I'm willing to be uncomfortable,
  • 00:45:44.060 --> 00:45:45.210
  • to be vulnerable.
  • 00:45:45.210 --> 00:45:47.250
  • I'm okay with that.
  • 00:45:47.250 --> 00:45:50.020
  • I am willing to go there because
  • 00:45:50.020 --> 00:45:51.280
  • I know that that made an impact
  • 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.100
  • in my life when I was in high
  • 00:45:53.100 --> 00:45:54.240
  • school and people spoke out.
  • 00:45:54.240 --> 00:45:56.150
  • And I wanna also spread
  • 00:45:56.150 --> 00:45:58.190
  • the message that it's not
  • 00:45:58.190 --> 00:45:59.240
  • so much what you can't do,
  • 00:45:59.240 --> 00:46:01.130
  • it's what you can do.
  • 00:46:01.130 --> 00:46:03.100
  • For me, it was that I can set
  • 00:46:03.100 --> 00:46:06.020
  • my career goals and dreams,
  • 00:46:06.020 --> 00:46:07.200
  • go to college, run for student
  • 00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:09.230
  • council, get involved
  • 00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:11.050
  • in school activities, go after
  • 00:46:11.050 --> 00:46:12.230
  • those dreams in my 20s.
  • 00:46:12.230 --> 00:46:14.130
  • So it's not so much
  • 00:46:14.130 --> 00:46:15.150
  • what you can't do.
  • 00:46:15.150 --> 00:46:16.110
  • It's what you can do.
  • 00:46:16.110 --> 00:46:17.190
  • And marriage is tough enough
  • 00:46:17.190 --> 00:46:19.010
  • in today's world and if it's one
  • 00:46:19.010 --> 00:46:20.270
  • more way that I can fortify my
  • 00:46:20.270 --> 00:46:21.290
  • marriage, hey, I'm all for it.
  • 00:46:21.290 --> 00:46:24.120
  • So I want young women and young
  • 00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:26.080
  • men to value themselves, to
  • 00:46:26.080 --> 00:46:28.100
  • think highly of themselves, and
  • 00:46:28.100 --> 00:46:30.110
  • to know that it is absolutely
  • 00:46:30.110 --> 00:46:32.130
  • okay if you wanna wait.
  • 00:46:32.130 --> 00:46:33.240
  • And they have someone to look
  • 00:46:33.240 --> 00:46:35.210
  • towards and, again, I'm willing
  • 00:46:35.210 --> 00:46:37.030
  • to be vulnerable and to speak
  • 00:46:37.030 --> 00:46:38.070
  • out because I know
  • 00:46:38.070 --> 00:46:39.250
  • that encouraged me when
  • 00:46:39.250 --> 00:46:40.210
  • I was on that journey.
  • 00:46:40.210 --> 00:46:42.090
  • - Dimas: Wow, wow.
  • 00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:44.000
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.150
  • Now, sometimes you have to ask
  • 00:46:46.150 --> 00:46:49.020
  • really hard questions,
  • 00:46:49.020 --> 00:46:51.010
  • sometimes you have to be tough
  • 00:46:51.010 --> 00:46:53.180
  • as a Christian.
  • 00:46:53.180 --> 00:46:55.100
  • How do you find that balance of
  • 00:46:55.100 --> 00:46:57.210
  • do I lean into somebody really
  • 00:46:57.210 --> 00:47:00.210
  • strong, do I--I'm a Christian.
  • 00:47:00.210 --> 00:47:02.240
  • Do I pull back?
  • 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:04.070
  • How do you deal with that
  • 00:47:04.070 --> 00:47:05.270
  • whole reality?
  • 00:47:05.270 --> 00:47:08.200
  • - Megan: Well,
  • 00:47:08.200 --> 00:47:09.140
  • I would say this.
  • 00:47:09.140 --> 00:47:10.180
  • That I realize it's different
  • 00:47:10.180 --> 00:47:11.110
  • for everyone and you have
  • 00:47:11.110 --> 00:47:12.170
  • to decide who you're gonna be
  • 00:47:12.170 --> 00:47:13.280
  • in that moment.
  • 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:14.270
  • For me, I'm there to do a job.
  • 00:47:14.270 --> 00:47:16.240
  • I'm there to deliver for my boss
  • 00:47:16.240 --> 00:47:18.010
  • and to deliver for the show.
  • 00:47:18.010 --> 00:47:19.270
  • And I work with people from a
  • 00:47:19.270 --> 00:47:21.080
  • variety of different backgrounds
  • 00:47:21.080 --> 00:47:22.150
  • and faiths, and I love my
  • 00:47:22.150 --> 00:47:23.220
  • colleagues.
  • 00:47:23.220 --> 00:47:24.220
  • I love my co-workers that I work
  • 00:47:24.220 --> 00:47:26.100
  • with and there's a lot of people
  • 00:47:26.100 --> 00:47:27.120
  • that are getting their--our kids
  • 00:47:27.120 --> 00:47:28.230
  • through college on our show and
  • 00:47:28.230 --> 00:47:31.000
  • we're all, you know, taking home
  • 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:32.220
  • the paycheck for our families.
  • 00:47:32.220 --> 00:47:34.080
  • So I'm there to do
  • 00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:35.160
  • a good job first.
  • 00:47:35.160 --> 00:47:36.050
  • And then, for me, I've looked
  • 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:37.200
  • for those small moments.
  • 00:47:37.200 --> 00:47:38.260
  • And it's been maybe a
  • 00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:39.270
  • conversation off camera that
  • 00:47:39.270 --> 00:47:41.230
  • the world will never see where
  • 00:47:41.230 --> 00:47:43.080
  • the camera has turned off and
  • 00:47:43.080 --> 00:47:45.010
  • there's been an opportunity for
  • 00:47:45.010 --> 00:47:45.290
  • me to have a conversation and
  • 00:47:45.290 --> 00:47:47.050
  • I'll just share with you one is
  • 00:47:47.050 --> 00:47:49.200
  • I did an interview once with
  • 00:47:49.200 --> 00:47:51.100
  • a young lady that is in
  • 00:47:51.100 --> 00:47:53.010
  • the porn industry and she--
  • 00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:54.220
  • I think sometimes the media
  • 00:47:54.220 --> 00:47:55.210
  • glorifies the porn industry
  • 00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:57.100
  • and there's not a lot of tough
  • 00:47:57.100 --> 00:47:58.120
  • questions--you wanna talk about
  • 00:47:58.120 --> 00:47:59.130
  • tough questions--on that.
  • 00:47:59.130 --> 00:48:01.090
  • But she gave the interview and
  • 00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:02.230
  • it was one of those times where
  • 00:48:02.230 --> 00:48:04.040
  • I just--I couldn't just
  • 00:48:04.040 --> 00:48:05.040
  • shake her hand and say,
  • 00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:06.010
  • "Nice to meet you.
  • 00:48:06.010 --> 00:48:06.290
  • Good luck," as we often do
  • 00:48:06.290 --> 00:48:08.050
  • in these interviews.
  • 00:48:08.050 --> 00:48:09.200
  • And so the camera turned off and
  • 00:48:09.200 --> 00:48:11.140
  • they were locking down the room
  • 00:48:11.140 --> 00:48:13.090
  • and everyone was putting on
  • 00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:14.110
  • their coats and getting ready
  • 00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:15.090
  • to go and I just said, "Hey,
  • 00:48:15.090 --> 00:48:17.110
  • you're a beautiful girl.
  • 00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:18.150
  • There are other options
  • 00:48:18.150 --> 00:48:19.200
  • for you."
  • 00:48:19.200 --> 00:48:20.160
  • And I just wrote down a website,
  • 00:48:20.160 --> 00:48:21.240
  • Authentic Relationships
  • 00:48:21.240 --> 00:48:22.190
  • International.
  • 00:48:22.190 --> 00:48:23.230
  • My friend, Gene McConnell,
  • 00:48:23.230 --> 00:48:24.200
  • runs this organization.
  • 00:48:24.200 --> 00:48:26.050
  • And I just slipped it her way
  • 00:48:26.050 --> 00:48:27.100
  • and I just said,
  • 00:48:27.100 --> 00:48:28.020
  • "Hey, check it out sometime."
  • 00:48:28.020 --> 00:48:29.230
  • I have no idea if she went
  • 00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:31.090
  • to that website but that
  • 00:48:31.090 --> 00:48:32.060
  • was my small little way.
  • 00:48:32.060 --> 00:48:34.070
  • It's small moments for me,
  • 00:48:34.070 --> 00:48:35.280
  • small little conversations where
  • 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.190
  • I just try to be respectful but
  • 00:48:37.190 --> 00:48:39.030
  • when you feel the Spirit
  • 00:48:39.030 --> 00:48:40.150
  • telling you to do something,
  • 00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:41.140
  • you gotta go for it.
  • 00:48:41.140 --> 00:48:42.270
  • - Dimas: Yeah, you gotta
  • 00:48:42.270 --> 00:48:43.160
  • go for it.
  • 00:48:43.160 --> 00:48:44.170
  • Wow.
  • 00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:45.260
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:48:48.020 --> 00:48:51.020
  • So what would you say to someone
  • 00:48:51.020 --> 00:48:52.130
  • that's trying to figure out,
  • 00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:54.050
  • okay, I'm a Christian.
  • 00:48:54.050 --> 00:48:56.070
  • How do I incorporate my faith
  • 00:48:56.070 --> 00:48:58.260
  • into my work?
  • 00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.200
  • Like, how can I do this?
  • 00:49:00.200 --> 00:49:02.230
  • - Megan: That is such a great
  • 00:49:02.230 --> 00:49:03.210
  • question.
  • 00:49:03.210 --> 00:49:04.150
  • I think we're continuing to
  • 00:49:04.150 --> 00:49:05.100
  • figure that out.
  • 00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:06.120
  • I'm continuing to figure that
  • 00:49:06.120 --> 00:49:07.130
  • out and I realize it is
  • 00:49:07.130 --> 00:49:08.170
  • different for every person.
  • 00:49:08.170 --> 00:49:09.240
  • Every job is different.
  • 00:49:09.240 --> 00:49:11.040
  • Every situation is different.
  • 00:49:11.040 --> 00:49:12.140
  • and careful, I understand
  • 00:49:14.160 --> 00:49:15.100
  • and that's complicated.
  • 00:49:15.100 --> 00:49:16.100
  • It's a complicated question.
  • 00:49:16.100 --> 00:49:17.120
  • - Dimas: It's really tough.
  • 00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:18.020
  • - Megan: I think, you know,
  • 00:49:18.020 --> 00:49:19.200
  • for me, it's been a matter of
  • 00:49:19.200 --> 00:49:21.130
  • picking and choosing my battles
  • 00:49:21.130 --> 00:49:23.050
  • and going, "Okay, what are
  • 00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:24.290
  • the black and whites for me?
  • 00:49:24.290 --> 00:49:26.090
  • What are the really important
  • 00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:27.080
  • issues to me?
  • 00:49:27.080 --> 00:49:28.040
  • And then what
  • 00:49:28.040 --> 00:49:28.240
  • can I compromise on?"
  • 00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:30.070
  • And again, just for me in
  • 00:49:30.070 --> 00:49:31.290
  • my world and my experience, I'll
  • 00:49:31.290 --> 00:49:33.140
  • I really believe that we need to
  • 00:49:35.160 --> 00:49:37.100
  • work the problem as believers
  • 00:49:37.100 --> 00:49:39.000
  • and be flexible and be creative,
  • 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.030
  • especially if you wanna get into
  • 00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:43.010
  • the mix of secular society.
  • 00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:45.100
  • So for me in entertainment,
  • 00:49:45.100 --> 00:49:46.180
  • just a quick example,
  • 00:49:46.180 --> 00:49:47.240
  • on our television show we often
  • 00:49:47.240 --> 00:49:50.000
  • color--cover the award shows,
  • 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.150
  • Academy Awards, Golden Globes,
  • 00:49:51.150 --> 00:49:52.270
  • and so forth.
  • 00:49:52.270 --> 00:49:53.280
  • And we cover the fashions, you
  • 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.130
  • know, whatever Angelina Jolie
  • 00:49:55.130 --> 00:49:56.110
  • was wearing.
  • 00:49:56.110 --> 00:49:58.070
  • We tell our viewers, "You can
  • 00:49:58.070 --> 00:49:59.010
  • dress just like her the next day
  • 00:49:59.010 --> 00:50:00.060
  • at a fraction of the price."
  • 00:50:00.060 --> 00:50:01.270
  • And being one of the only
  • 00:50:01.270 --> 00:50:02.220
  • female reporters on our show,
  • 00:50:02.220 --> 00:50:03.250
  • they'll put me in a similar
  • 00:50:03.250 --> 00:50:05.110
  • dress and say, "Hey, Megan found
  • 00:50:05.110 --> 00:50:06.290
  • this dress that cost $90.
  • 00:50:06.290 --> 00:50:09.030
  • Hers cost $90.000," or whatever.
  • 00:50:09.030 --> 00:50:11.260
  • Well, there was a certain
  • 00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:13.070
  • reality star that had walked
  • 00:50:13.070 --> 00:50:14.090
  • the red carpet at one of
  • 00:50:14.090 --> 00:50:15.120
  • the reality shows in
  • 00:50:15.120 --> 00:50:16.140
  • an incredibly revealing dress,
  • 00:50:16.140 --> 00:50:18.030
  • just showing a ton of skin.
  • 00:50:18.030 --> 00:50:19.280
  • And they said, "Megan,
  • 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.060
  • we're gonna put you in
  • 00:50:21.060 --> 00:50:22.140
  • a dress like that tomorrow
  • 00:50:22.140 --> 00:50:23.260
  • on national television."
  • 00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:24.230
  • And I just said,
  • 00:50:24.230 --> 00:50:26.010
  • "I can't, I just can't.
  • 00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:27.280
  • That's not for me.
  • 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.030
  • That's just showing
  • 00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:30.080
  • too much skin.
  • 00:50:30.080 --> 00:50:31.060
  • Again, that's
  • 00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:32.010
  • my personal decision."
  • 00:50:32.010 --> 00:50:33.180
  • My personal decision.
  • 00:50:33.180 --> 00:50:36.000
  • I realize it's different
  • 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:36.190
  • for everyone.
  • 00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:37.260
  • But I always want to, you know,
  • 00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:39.180
  • hope that my family and friends
  • 00:50:39.180 --> 00:50:40.220
  • will be proud of the work that
  • 00:50:40.220 --> 00:50:41.240
  • I do and be able to
  • 00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:42.180
  • watch the show.
  • 00:50:42.180 --> 00:50:43.090
  • So I said, "No," and I got a lot
  • 00:50:43.090 --> 00:50:44.230
  • of pushback from the stylist,
  • 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:46.220
  • "No, c'mon, that's the most
  • 00:50:46.220 --> 00:50:47.270
  • popular celebrity right now.
  • 00:50:47.270 --> 00:50:49.130
  • Just put on the dress.
  • 00:50:49.130 --> 00:50:50.220
  • We don't got a lot of time.
  • 00:50:50.220 --> 00:50:51.220
  • C'mon, Megan, just do this."
  • 00:50:51.220 --> 00:50:53.050
  • And I said, "No, I can't.
  • 00:50:53.050 --> 00:50:54.290
  • But let's try to work
  • 00:50:54.290 --> 00:50:56.250
  • the problem."
  • 00:50:56.250 --> 00:50:57.170
  • And I said, "Okay,
  • 00:50:57.170 --> 00:50:58.160
  • let's look at everybody that
  • 00:50:58.160 --> 00:50:59.060
  • was there that night.
  • 00:50:59.060 --> 00:51:00.030
  • Hey, how about this celebrity?
  • 00:51:00.030 --> 00:51:01.230
  • She wore this dress.
  • 00:51:01.230 --> 00:51:02.260
  • It's much more conservative.
  • 00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:03.290
  • I know I can quickly
  • 00:51:03.290 --> 00:51:05.060
  • put it together."
  • 00:51:05.060 --> 00:51:06.090
  • And they were, like, "Okay."
  • 00:51:06.090 --> 00:51:09.030
  • So I worked the problem.
  • 00:51:09.030 --> 00:51:10.160
  • I said, "No, but how can
  • 00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:12.020
  • I still deliver for my team?
  • 00:51:12.020 --> 00:51:13.240
  • How can I still deliver
  • 00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:14.180
  • in the moment on this job,"
  • 00:51:14.180 --> 00:51:16.020
  • and I tried to be creative.
  • 00:51:16.020 --> 00:51:17.120
  • So that's my advice, is, again,
  • 00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:19.060
  • look at those black and whites
  • 00:51:19.060 --> 00:51:20.100
  • and then what can you compromise
  • 00:51:20.100 --> 00:51:21.100
  • on and how can you work
  • 00:51:21.100 --> 00:51:22.180
  • the problem and still live out
  • 00:51:22.180 --> 00:51:24.100
  • your faith and be true
  • 00:51:24.100 --> 00:51:25.070
  • to your values.
  • 00:51:25.070 --> 00:51:27.110
  • - Dimas: That's a really good
  • 00:51:27.110 --> 00:51:28.020
  • answer.
  • 00:51:28.020 --> 00:51:29.230
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:51:29.230 --> 00:51:30.160
  • - Megan: I know those fashion
  • 00:51:30.160 --> 00:51:31.070
  • segments are your favorite
  • 00:51:31.070 --> 00:51:32.010
  • on the show.
  • 00:51:32.010 --> 00:51:34.050
  • - Dimas: I do like that.
  • 00:51:34.050 --> 00:51:36.000
  • Now, have you ever faced what,
  • 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.220
  • you know, some people say,
  • 00:51:38.220 --> 00:51:40.220
  • you know, have you ever been
  • 00:51:40.220 --> 00:51:42.250
  • pressured, hit on, things
  • 00:51:42.250 --> 00:51:43.290
  • like that?
  • 00:51:43.290 --> 00:51:45.010
  • How did you deal with
  • 00:51:45.010 --> 00:51:46.160
  • those moments, if they exist?
  • 00:51:46.160 --> 00:51:47.290
  • - Megan: For me, I'm--I have
  • 00:51:47.290 --> 00:51:50.010
  • always been a very ambitious
  • 00:51:50.010 --> 00:51:51.090
  • person and a lot going on
  • 00:51:51.090 --> 00:51:52.250
  • and just try to stay focused.
  • 00:51:52.250 --> 00:51:54.170
  • But when I started taking on
  • 00:51:54.170 --> 00:51:56.170
  • some side acting projects, I
  • 00:51:56.170 --> 00:51:58.200
  • started doing some acting over
  • 00:51:58.200 --> 00:51:59.160
  • the past couple of years, there
  • 00:51:59.160 --> 00:52:00.290
  • have been a couple of moments
  • 00:52:00.290 --> 00:52:02.160
  • where, in that world, I have
  • 00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:04.000
  • been faced with some situations.
  • 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.180
  • And I'll share one of them
  • 00:52:05.180 --> 00:52:06.070
  • with you.
  • 00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:07.060
  • A couple of years ago, I got
  • 00:52:07.060 --> 00:52:09.000
  • that is on TV right now.
  • 00:52:11.130 --> 00:52:12.280
  • It just won an Emmy,
  • 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:13.260
  • very, very popular show.
  • 00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:15.050
  • And I got a part.
  • 00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:16.090
  • And I just started working with
  • 00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:17.090
  • this acting agent and he said,
  • 00:52:17.090 --> 00:52:19.030
  • "Meg, it's down to you and
  • 00:52:19.030 --> 00:52:20.130
  • one other person.
  • 00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:21.140
  • Just get these lines
  • 00:52:21.140 --> 00:52:23.050
  • on videotape, on video.
  • 00:52:23.050 --> 00:52:24.200
  • We're gonna send it
  • 00:52:24.200 --> 00:52:25.070
  • to the casting director.
  • 00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:26.050
  • I know you've got this part."
  • 00:52:26.050 --> 00:52:27.210
  • Could be a great thing
  • 00:52:27.210 --> 00:52:28.280
  • for my career to do this.
  • 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.090
  • And I was sent the script
  • 00:52:30.090 --> 00:52:31.090
  • and a lot of times
  • 00:52:31.090 --> 00:52:32.090
  • I looked at my scene.
  • 00:52:34.110 --> 00:52:35.110
  • I thought, "Okay, I can do this.
  • 00:52:35.110 --> 00:52:36.200
  • I can deliver for these lines--
  • 00:52:36.200 --> 00:52:37.290
  • I can do this part."
  • 00:52:37.290 --> 00:52:39.040
  • But every now and then they send
  • 00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:40.090
  • you the page before or the page
  • 00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:41.280
  • after your scene on these shows.
  • 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.160
  • And I flipped to the front of
  • 00:52:44.160 --> 00:52:45.230
  • the script and my heart sank.
  • 00:52:45.230 --> 00:52:48.110
  • The scene was explicit.
  • 00:52:49.020 --> 00:52:52.020
  • It just was something--there
  • 00:52:52.020 --> 00:52:53.110
  • was nothing redeeming about it.
  • 00:52:53.110 --> 00:52:55.110
  • It was just a very--a scene--
  • 00:52:55.110 --> 00:52:57.120
  • it was a dark, dark scene
  • 00:52:57.120 --> 00:52:58.180
  • and, again, very explicit,
  • 00:52:58.180 --> 00:52:59.180
  • very violent.
  • 00:52:59.180 --> 00:53:00.150
  • And I just--I thought, "Oh no."
  • 00:53:00.150 --> 00:53:02.060
  • Again, I want to have family
  • 00:53:02.060 --> 00:53:03.270
  • and friends tune in.
  • 00:53:03.270 --> 00:53:05.120
  • I just can't do it.
  • 00:53:05.120 --> 00:53:06.160
  • And I said to the agent,
  • 00:53:06.160 --> 00:53:07.110
  • "I'm sorry, I can't."
  • 00:53:07.110 --> 00:53:08.030
  • And he again said, "No, no, no.
  • 00:53:08.030 --> 00:53:09.150
  • You need to do this.
  • 00:53:09.150 --> 00:53:10.180
  • C'mon, it's not that hard.
  • 00:53:10.180 --> 00:53:11.220
  • You may never get a phone call
  • 00:53:11.220 --> 00:53:13.040
  • from these folks again
  • 00:53:13.040 --> 00:53:14.090
  • if you say no."
  • 00:53:14.090 --> 00:53:15.020
  • And that was one.
  • 00:53:15.020 --> 00:53:16.150
  • It was a black and white issue
  • 00:53:16.150 --> 00:53:17.180
  • for me and I said, "I'm sorry,
  • 00:53:17.180 --> 00:53:18.160
  • I can't."
  • 00:53:18.160 --> 00:53:19.220
  • I never heard from them again.
  • 00:53:19.220 --> 00:53:21.080
  • I never heard from that agent,
  • 00:53:21.080 --> 00:53:22.100
  • I never heard from that
  • 00:53:22.100 --> 00:53:23.060
  • casting director.
  • 00:53:23.060 --> 00:53:23.280
  • A lot of people would be
  • 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.220
  • discouraged by that but I share
  • 00:53:25.220 --> 00:53:28.030
  • that story because down
  • 00:53:28.030 --> 00:53:29.150
  • the road, over a year later,
  • 00:53:29.150 --> 00:53:31.290
  • another part came around that
  • 00:53:31.290 --> 00:53:34.180
  • was more fitting to my values
  • 00:53:34.180 --> 00:53:36.050
  • and my faith.
  • 00:53:36.050 --> 00:53:37.000
  • So stay the course.
  • 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.230
  • And when you do say "No," God is
  • 00:53:38.230 --> 00:53:41.060
  • faithful and something will come
  • 00:53:41.060 --> 00:53:42.270
  • down the road that will indeed
  • 00:53:42.270 --> 00:53:44.290
  • fit with your faith.
  • 00:53:44.290 --> 00:53:46.000
  • I wanna encourage people,
  • 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:46.220
  • you can work in this industry.
  • 00:53:46.220 --> 00:53:49.050
  • Again, you just gotta figure out
  • 00:53:49.050 --> 00:53:50.130
  • what's right for you and when
  • 00:53:50.130 --> 00:53:51.270
  • you say "No," God is faithful.
  • 00:53:51.270 --> 00:53:53.260
  • If he wants you to work in
  • 00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:54.230
  • this industry, he'll bring
  • 00:53:54.230 --> 00:53:55.170
  • something back.
  • 00:53:55.170 --> 00:53:56.110
  • - Dimas: It's so true.
  • 00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:57.080
  • - Megan: He will.
  • 00:53:57.080 --> 00:53:57.260
  • - Dimas: And I think a lot of
  • 00:53:57.260 --> 00:53:58.290
  • people need to see that.
  • 00:53:58.290 --> 00:54:00.050
  • When we have a commitment to
  • 00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:01.260
  • Jesus, a commitment to Christ,
  • 00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:05.010
  • we don't throw that away.
  • 00:54:05.010 --> 00:54:07.030
  • The Holy Spirit, you know,
  • 00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:08.150
  • we can't throw Jesus
  • 00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:09.190
  • and the Holy Spirit
  • 00:54:09.190 --> 00:54:10.120
  • in a back room and
  • 00:54:10.120 --> 00:54:11.080
  • pop 'em out when we want them.
  • 00:54:11.080 --> 00:54:12.290
  • He's with us through it all,
  • 00:54:12.290 --> 00:54:14.280
  • in how we live, in how we walk,
  • 00:54:15.080 --> 00:54:18.080
  • in the things that we do.
  • 00:54:18.080 --> 00:54:20.120
  • God knows how to
  • 00:54:20.120 --> 00:54:21.290
  • take care of us.
  • 00:54:21.290 --> 00:54:23.140
  • He knows how to bless us.
  • 00:54:23.140 --> 00:54:24.250
  • He knows how to cover us.
  • 00:54:24.250 --> 00:54:26.160
  • And it sounds like he's doing
  • 00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:28.070
  • a great job with you.
  • 00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:29.220
  • - Megan: Oh, thank you.
  • 00:54:29.220 --> 00:54:30.190
  • - Dimas: Really does, yeah.
  • 00:54:31.190 --> 00:54:34.190
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:54:34.190 --> 00:54:35.130
  • - Megan: One of my favorite
  • 00:54:35.130 --> 00:54:36.110
  • Bible verses is Galatians 6:9,
  • 00:54:36.110 --> 00:54:38.200
  • "Let us not grow weary of
  • 00:54:38.200 --> 00:54:40.020
  • doing good because in due time
  • 00:54:40.020 --> 00:54:41.270
  • we will reap a harvest."
  • 00:54:41.270 --> 00:54:43.260
  • - Dimas: That's right,
  • 00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:44.170
  • that's right.
  • 00:54:44.170 --> 00:54:45.140
  • Well, Megan, I'd like for you to
  • 00:54:45.140 --> 00:54:47.020
  • address this camera over here.
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  • There could be someone that's
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  • watching now that's been
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  • thinking about the industry
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  • and there could be someone that
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  • goes to church, follows Christ,
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  • and they know they're really
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  • compromising in this area.
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  • I'd love for you to say
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  • some words to them and give them
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  • some hope or some guidance or
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  • whatever God lays on your heart.
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  • - Megan: Sure.
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  • Well, it's a privilege
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  • to encourage you.
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  • I just wanna encourage you that
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  • the goals and dreams of your
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  • heart, it's a beautiful thing.
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  • I think God wants us to live
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  • life to the fullest.
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  • Continue to get with the Lord
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  • and check in with him and say,
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  • "Hey, is this what I'm supposed
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  • to be doing?"
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  • You know, I try to check in with
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  • the Lord all the time and say,
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  • "Lord, am I still supposed
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  • to be here?
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  • You know, keep these doors
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  • open if I am supposed
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  • to be doing this," but
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  • go for those goals and dreams.
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  • I believe Christians need to
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  • take their seat at the table
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  • in careers of influence
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  • and do excellent work.
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  • That is your way that you can
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  • shine for Christ.
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  • It's not for the faint of heart.
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  • It takes hard work and hustle.
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  • But it is indeed possible.
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  • Our God is great.
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  • He is big.
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  • He will be with you
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  • every step of the way.
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  • And don't ever doubt that you
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  • have a seat at that table, that
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  • you, uniquely you, with your
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  • gifts and talents, don't compare
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  • yourself to anybody else.
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  • You're exactly who you
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  • should be.
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  • - Dimas: Ah, Megan, you have
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  • Thank you so much
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  • for joining us.
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  • You're a absolute blessing.
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  • Let's give a round of applause
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  • for Megan.
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  • Whoo!
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