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Praise | Bill Johnson | 3/19/19

Praise

March 19, 2019

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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Bill Johnson in Redding, CA.

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Praise | Bill Johnson | 3/19/19

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- [Announcer] Tonight on Praise
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from Redding, California, author, speaker
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and Senior Pastor of Bethel Church, Bill Johnson.
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And now, Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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- Welcome to Praise, beautiful Redding, California.
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Pastor Bill Johnson, if there was ever a program
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that you should pay attention to it's the one
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that's going to be kind of referencing the Way of Life.
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If there was ever a question that people care about,
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if there was ever a question that your neighbors,
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your friends, you know, the Way of Life.
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That's what we're talking about.
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Give us kind of a setup.
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Open the, open the door here to what we're
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gonna be breaking down for the next hour.
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- Jesus told us to pray this prayer and it is
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the great commission for prayer specifically
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heaven on earth.
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He told us to pray for the will of God to be done
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here as it is in heaven.
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That has to be measurable or we don't receive
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encouragement from answers to prayer.
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We just keep general big prayers going
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and we don't receive the encouragement from answers.
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We tend to get the encouragement from praying
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and we're supposed to become filled with joy
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because of the answer, John 16.
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He said, in that day you'll ask the Father in my name
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and he'll give you whatever you ask that your joy
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may be full, so the full expression of joy
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is supposed to become from our co-laboring relationship
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with God and specifically his will to be done here
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in a measurable way as it is in heaven.
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So, when Jesus ministered he gave measurable ways.
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He would say, if I cast a demon out of you
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by the spirit of God, he said this in Matthew 12:28,
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if I cast a demon out of you by the spirit of God,
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then the kingdom of God came upon you.
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So, there's a measurable way to look
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at the answer to prayer.
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Heaven came to earth,
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came to earth because the darkness, the torment,
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that controlled somebody's life was broken off
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and so, there's a measurable way to examine freedom.
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Freedom is always evidence of the kingdom coming.
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And so, anyway it's, it's just basically the Way of Life
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is what God's intention is is to influence the nature
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of this world until it reflects the nature of his world
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and that's our assignment.
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- So, when you think about it, Bill, I don't wanna kinda
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overstate it, but at some point if you don't,
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if you don't know that
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then you don't really know how
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to think about life in general.
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I mean, I don't know if it's hitting everyone's brain
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the way it's hitting mine and I was fortunate enough
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to get the book, the 800 number is on the screen,
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but I was, you know, you signed this and thank you,
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by the way.
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This is actually my book's inside.
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This is somebody else's.
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The Way of Life, and by the way these little things
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that fly around are not exactly bees, they're just
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little kinda things 'cause we're in Redding, California.
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We're outside, this is not a studio.
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The Way of Life is what we're talking about,
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Bill Johnson.
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Okay, Bethel is kind of a thing globally.
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- [Announcer] If you've ever wondered if signs
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and wonders were possible in the 21st century
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look no further than Bethel Church in Redding, California.
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Senior Pastor, speaker and author, Bill Johnson,
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wastes no time diving into the supernatural.
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This fifth generation pastor believes healing
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and deliverance should be a common expression
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of the gospel.
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Healings, ranging from cancer to broken bones
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to learning disorders and emotional healing
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are witnessed regularly in the Bethel Church family.
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This strong presence of God has inspired the ministry
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to boost their worship and set their sites on moving
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outside the church walls and into schools, workplace
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and neighborhoods to demonstrate the power of God.
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Johnson has been featured on Christian Television
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networks, in documentaries and publications
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telling the message of the gospel and encouraging others
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to have an encounter with God.
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Bill Johnson, taking revival to the next level.
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- TBN and Bethel are working towards getting
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even more Bethel content out to the world.
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Your life can change dramatically by just sitting
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with Bill Johnson for a little bit, reading some
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of his books.
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That's what we're doing right here, right now.
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And by the way, here's, let me just give you
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the kind of picture.
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We're in the front yard.
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You have a dear friend who's kinda letting us be here.
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And so, this is a beautiful place.
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The trees, the outdoors, if a squirrel walks by
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it's a real squirrel and if a deer walks by
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it's a real deer.
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This is not a set.
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I don't wanna overstate, but you speak directly
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to my spirit, meaning when I read some of this book,
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I haven't read the whole book, but I read a part of it
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that just really kind of, if I can have your permission
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and just say this.
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Chapter Nine entitled, Jesus, Unafraid of the Secular.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- We were talking a little bit earlier about that
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and we understand what you've said and we wanna break
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this totally down, but if you would give us
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a kind of a second opening thing and give me kind of what
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we're talking about in Chapter Nine here.
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This is really spectacular.
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- Background.
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God anointed enemy nations to care for the promised land
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to take care of it until Israel was prepared
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to inherit it, so he actually used outside
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of his own chosen people.
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He used a grace, a gift, a talent and ability
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of those nations to care for and to build up
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a land that his people would inherit.
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In the same way, the Lord has a habit of depositing
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some ideas in the secular culture that are actually
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supposed to be used by the church and of course,
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not carnality, not sin, not any of those things,
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but not everything in the world system is born
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of corruption and evil and that's what we have to see,
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is that there are certain things that the Lord
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has put there, he's hidden there for us, not from us.
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And, the three things that I mentioned
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in that particular chapter is the term apostle,
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the term church or ecclesia, and the word Paul,
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his name was changed from Saul to Paul.
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Those were all secular terms, secular concepts
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that were hidden in the culture around them.
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The Greeks developed the word, apostle,
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as they did the word, ecclesia.
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Apostle is actually the headship in an armada of ships
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that would go to a newly conquered area and they would
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bring transformation, education, architecture, language,
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all those things.
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They would make in accurately represent the land
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they represented so that if their emperor were to ever
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visit this newly conquered land they would feel
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as at home there as they did in Rome's case,
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as they did in Rome.
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- As in, on earth as it is in heaven.
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- That helps then to put in place the prayer
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on earth as in heaven as an apostolic prayer.
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It is a prayer that says, we want God to feel
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as at home here as he does in heaven
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because the culture has changed here to accommodate
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a presence and to live entirely for him.
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- Before we move on, so let me just make sure I understand.
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Apostle is a secular word that refers to the lead ship
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in an armada sailing to a conquered destination
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to turn that conquered destination more like
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the conquerors.
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- Yes, exactly, yeah, because what would happen
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is they would conquer a land, but they saw
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no transformation there.
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And so, then they started using this concept
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developed originally by the Greeks to go and transform
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the culture so that it would be an accurate
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and healthy representation of Rome, itself.
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The Greeks started Rome, the Romans adopted it.
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And that's what they did which helps me to understand
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better than the prayer that Jesus gave us to pray.
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The will of God be done.
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- Yeah, which is you know, we were talking before
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and this, we're breaking down this Chapter Nine,
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The Way of Life, and earlier it was almost like
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when we were talking earlier, the idea that church
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sometimes feels like the end game for Christians,
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to develop a great church, but that's really just
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a preparation point to get us to transform the world
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we live in to make it look like heaven on earth.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- And so, it's almost like church is the foundational
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piece, our mission and our purpose is much beyond that.
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- Exactly, yeah.
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- Yeah, go ahead.
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- The church is just an equipping place.
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The transformation takes place on the outside.
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You go to the cities in our country
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that have the greatest church attendance,
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tragically, they are the least transformed
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because statistically it's proven.
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They are the least transformed culturally
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through divorce, crime, all those social statistics,
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they are the least transformed and it's not
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because there's so many people in church, obviously,
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because those people are changed, but their impact
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on the world around therm stops when they think
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church is the end game instead of realizing
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we are actually being equipped to take what we experience
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in the house outside of the house so we bring
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transformation.
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- So, the idea that if there was a set of parents,
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let's say our age and I'm thinking of you know,
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our boys are in their you know mid-20s, so if we
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didn't understand this and our kids felt called
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to Hollywood, if you didn't understand this
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you'd think there's somethin' wrong with your kids.
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What's wrong with your kids?
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They're feeling actually the prayer that we might
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have prayed and they're wanting to fulfill it
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and we think there's somethin' wrong with them,
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that they feel called to Hollywood or something like that.
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That's an example of what we're talking about.
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- That's exactly right, exactly right.
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- Or to politics or science or you know other.
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- So, you talk about the great commission of God
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and even in the beginning and God created
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all the things he did and then he said
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to be fruitful and multiply to subdue the earth.
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What did he mean by subdue it?
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- Well, in my opinion there was the garden of Eden.
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Outside of the garden was chaos.
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We have reason to believe that because he said, do,
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he gave them an assignment to have children who have
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children who have children and as your capacity to manage,
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to govern increases, then increase the size of the garden
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until the entire earth is covered with divine rule
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through delegated authority,
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and that was the commission.
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And, that's what subdue, subdue is a military term
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that implies there's opposition and so, you will have
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to expand his rule through delegated authority
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as they multiply and are able to manage a greater
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part of the earth and they could increase in size, so.
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- Well, I love what you said about working it.
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You work and you subdue and we were all called
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to actually work.
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- Yeah, no, that's right.
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In Israel's culture work was worship
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and it's supposed to be in church culture
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and when we miss that it's not that our
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corporate gatherings are to be put down
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because they're essential.
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I think we underestimate the value
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of the corporate gathering, but it is unto something.
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The worship that takes place there is vital,
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but the dentist who offers his labors as unto the Lord,
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that also is an expression of worship.
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Showing compassion to somebody who's, has no money,
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or in great crisis or need, Jesus said, when you've
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done it to the least of these you've done it to me.
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He receives it as worship and I don't wanna
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take away from the corporate expression,
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but it's gotta be taken, what we do in the house
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is to equip us to take it out of the house
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to be effective.
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- Got it.
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- Yeah.
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- Okay, we're in Chapter Nine.
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We've broken down the word, apostle.
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We are talking today about The Way of Life
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and Bill Johnson's latest book,
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the 800 number on the screen.
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All of the operators already know
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that you're calling for this book.
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We do that on purpose so it's easier for you, by the way.
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We tell them in advance, what a concept.
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So, we basically have this all prepped.
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We are buying these books from the publisher
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and we're making them available for you.
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The 800 number is on the screen.
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We're in Chapter Nine and we have broken down, apostle.
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Okay, and what I, what I like about this,
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and again, this chapter is Jesus Unafraid of the Secular.
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The term, apostle, secular term.
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Okay, church.
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This one is kind of mind boggling when you.
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Take your time with this one.
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- The word is ecclesia.
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Jesus said I will build my church.
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He used that term, ecclesia.
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It's a word that means wherever two or three
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are gathered they carry governmental influence.
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It's a secular term referring to a secular institution
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that is planted within society to represent
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the government, a government and to bring about change
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through that governmental representation.
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So, having said that, it gives great insight
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into what Jesus meant when he said, where two or three
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are gathered in my name there I am in the midst.
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So, it's, he could've used the term, the target
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of the corporate gathering.
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He could've used temple, he could have used synagogue
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he could have used anything to describe the people of God.
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But in this case he was describing the people of God
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in their transformational role, that whenever the two
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or three are gathered and they make that commitment
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together in prayer to a task, they actually are
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representing heaven, to establish his order
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and his influence in that secular environment.
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- So, we're really talking about
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the idea that Jesus gave these clues and what you
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suggest in the very beginning of Chapter Nine
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is you know, that these three terms that you wanna break
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down, apostle, church and Paul, were very specifically
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chosen by the Holy Spirit as secular terms
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to give us this clue that life isn't about going to church
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and then going home and then working a secular job.
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Life is about infiltrating all forms of society
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and our kids almost get it sometimes and have to almost
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explain it to this generation because, because you know,
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where we're coming from, and I think it, it's important
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to say this, Bill, is because I think my grandparents
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believe the opposite of this.
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You know, I think, you know, there was a misinterpretation
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often times of, be ye separate, come out from amongst
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the world and be separate and so, if a radio
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was in your house way back in the 30s and the pastor
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came over you had to hide it in the front closet
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because the world was going to be a force to take
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the righteousness out of us.
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- Exactly.
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- So, it took my parents' generation really, a lot of 'em
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in that generation, for my dad to even look at his
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parents and say, you're sincere, but you're sincerely wrong
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because TV and/or radio are neutral.
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Only the intention of the person owning it
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and programming it makes the difference
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of whether it's a force of good or evil.
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So, we're coming from the pendulum swing way, way
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over here and it's almost like my parents,
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my kids' great grandparents were one end of the pendulum
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swing and they're feeling that pendulum swing
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come over as we're getting this, okay.
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I think that's where we're coming from.
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- That's exactly right.
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What Jesus did is he approached everything differently.
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Let me give this example.
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Old Testament, you touch a leper, you become unclean.
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Jesus touches a leper, the leper becomes clean.
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It's completely different.
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Old Testament, don't associate with the sinner
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because it will contaminate you.
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If I spit on somebody's offering I have contaminated
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their offering, but in the kingdom it's completely different
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because it's the believing spouse that sanctifies
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the spouse, so it's the power of righteousness
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in the kingdom that is resonate in the life
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of a yielded believer.
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That power transforms the world around them
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and that's where our faith has to be.
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- And that's where we are to pray, thy kingdom come
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and thy will be done.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- But then, walk it out.
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So, we're learning to walk it out, okay.
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That's why we're sittin' here today
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'cause we're gonna learn this stuff.
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Okay, are you done with church?
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- Sure.
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- Okay, Paul.
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- (laughing) not really (laughing).
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I'm not done with church.
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- Are you done with church?
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Sure, yeah, yeah.
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(laughing)
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That's all, that's the promo.
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(laughing)
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- Saul is, Paul is the most forceful, influential person
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in the New Testament apart from Jesus himself obviously.
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But, he was, he was a Jewish leader.
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He was a rabbi of rabbis.
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He was a genius of geniuses,
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trained under the top rabbi available and he had
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great respect and Saul is a nice Hebrew name
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and Paul is not.
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Paul is a very secular, Greek name and when he went
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through a name change, it happened to be at a very critical
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moment where it is possible he was given the name
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after his encounter with Sergius Paulus.
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It's possible that after that encounter,
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because after that moment it went from Barnabas and Saul
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being sent out in ministry, it turned in that moment
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to Paul, name change and Barnabas.
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Paul was now mentioned first.
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Something happened in the encounter where he stepped
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into his purpose and destiny.
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And, to have a guy like Saul be willing to have
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a name change that associated him with a more
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secular environment than his Hebrew roots
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is really astonishing.
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I don't know that we can appreciate
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what he had to go through emotionally and psychologically
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to embrace that name change, but he did and he did it, I
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would assume he did it to better facilitate his role
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as a primary evangelist to the Gentile world.
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- Okay, we're talking with Bill Johnson about really
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important stuff, that church is not the end game,
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it's the preparation stage for what really life is about
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and seek transformational change in every aspect of life.
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Okay, did this just come natural to you?
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Okay, did you get this at a young age?
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Did you study your way into being kind of you know,
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if you squeeze you, this is what comes out.
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This is what and who you are.
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When did this happen to you?
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- My dad brought a series to us back in the 70s.
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I was on staff with my dad here at Bethel
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and he brought, he taught a series out of Ezekiel
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on the Priesthood of the Believer
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and that clicked for me, that clicked.
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Of course, it started with our ministry to the Lord
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which is the most important, but the concept
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of every believer being a priest, under the Lord,
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and a representative of the Lord in society,
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it caught, it caught.
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I can't say how or why, but his, the teaching
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that he brought really impacted me, so I've spent
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the last 40 some years trying to learn how to apply
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that one single truth.
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You know, at the end of the series I bowed my head.
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I said, there was no altar call.
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I just bowed my head.
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I said, God I give you the rest of my life
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to teach me this one thing.
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What does this look like, to truly be a worshiper
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and then what does it look like to be a minister
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of the gospel outside of obvious you know,
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ministry settings?
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My ambition was not to be in ministry.
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I had no desire to be in a traditional ministry.
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My deal was gonna be elsewhere in work,
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but the Lord changed that about, but I still
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carry that value and have always been
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attracted to those who are involved in business
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and medicine and that, that's where I'm drawn to constantly
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to see how the kingdom can be manifest there.
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- Okay, I read on your little card that they give us,
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these little cheat sheets about Bill Johnson,
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that you're fifth generation.
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Your kids are sixth generation in ministry.
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- Yes, yes.
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- Do you, do you think your dad brought that word
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when you were a young man fresh?
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Do you think he got it from his dad?
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How far back do you think that goes back?
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Because it feels like in my family,
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my grandparents were, be ye separate, come out
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from amongst the world.
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Where do you think that?
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- He got that, it wasn't handed down.
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- Okay.
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- Our heritage before that would have been much more
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similar to yours where the emphasis was on,
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fearing sin, holiness, which is important.
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I mean, it was there for a reason.
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They came to that conclusion 'cause they didn't
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wanna be contaminated and the desire was pure,
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but it's just shortsighted in that it doesn't see
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the power of the spirit of God in me to enable me
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to not only to resist temptation but also to bring
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transformation to the world I'm in.
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- Transformation is what we're talking about.
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The book, The Way of Life.
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Bill Johnson, I just wanna reset just for a moment
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and if you're looking at the shot there,
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the camera shot, the crane, those are real rocks
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sitting in the foreground here.
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- It's not from Universal Studios.
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- Yeah, this is reality.
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These are real trees and I think that's a real
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helicopter flying off in the background.
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So, we're in Redding, beautiful northern California.
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- Bethel country.
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- And this is absolutely Bethel country.
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The Way of Life is being offered today.
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We're sitting with Bill Johnson.
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Okay, make sure in case somebody just tuned in,
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kind of reset for us a moment and just kinda
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talk about really who you are and what this book
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is really telling us and if somebody orders it
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and gets it, what are they learning that might be
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fairly new that you're wanting to speak to us about.
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What's, in general, what are we talking about?
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- What I long for in my life, in our life here in Redding,
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the places we have influence, is in a practical way
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to experience the reality of heaven here.
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For me, that has to be specific.
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What is the culture of heaven?
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How does heaven function?
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In heaven every person is celebrated
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for who they are without being discounted
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for who they're not.
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In heaven everything is connected to the presence
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of God, himself.
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There's nothing in heaven that is separate from him.
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He is in every, there's no shadows in heaven
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'cause he's everywhere at once shining at the same time.
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So, that tells me then the culture of heaven
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is a presence-based culture.
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So, if I'm going to emulate that, the nature of that world
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then I have to discover the presence of God
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and learn to live from the presence towards life
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and see how that effects my relationships,
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how that effects my attitude, how that effects my faith,
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how that effects my vision, my assignment,
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all those things come from the presence of the Lord.
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We tend, in Christianity, we tend to reduce things
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to principles and sometimes violate what the presence
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of God is doing.
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For example, Paul wanted to preach in Asia.
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The Holy Spirit said no, but the command to go
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to all the world would imply Asia's where you need to go.
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But the Holy Spirit, the presence, said no
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and you always wanna, we have to be Biblical.
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We have to do what we do because of scripture,
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but the scriptures give me the overall general mandate.
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It's the presence that shows me specific application.
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So, this whole issue of the culture of heaven is very
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practical and doable here and that's my ambition.
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It's whether there's no cancer there so there shouldn't
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be here, so it gives me the basis to contend for
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a breakthrough there.
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Poverty, all the stuff, racial conflict,
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there's none of that in heaven as there is here.
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So, it means that in the presence are the solutions
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and the answers that we need for every dilemma we face.
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- That's why Jesus would say in the perfect prayer,
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thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth
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as it is in heaven.
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Align our world with the world that exists,
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the reality of the world.
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He declared, it's finished, on the cross,
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so we don't pray for victory, we pray from
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a state of victory.
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- Exactly.
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- And so, we're, we're trying to basically get this
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message out, say.
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So, let's kinda move on.
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The Way of Life is what we're breaking down.
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The 800 number is available to get it right now.
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Where do you wanna go now?
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What's important else that we need to chat about?
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- I love though, how we have gone from what you were
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talkin' about, the measuring stick.
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Talk about that and how we have drifted.
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- Okay.
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Several years ago an acquaintance of mine,
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I didn't know him well, but he gave this illustration.
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He said, he was a pastor and they were going to build
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a new sanctuary.
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He was all excited 'cause they were gonna be able
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to finally accommodate the crowds that they had
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coming to church and he was not a builder at all,
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but he wanted to help somehow, he wanted to get out there
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and help and he would just kinda pester the contractor
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and so finally the contractor one night said,
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listen, we need X amount of boards cut and I forget
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the number and so, the precise answer may be
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a little different, but it was something like,
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we need 100 2 X 4s cut to 8 foot in length,
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something of that nature.
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And so, he was excited.
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After the crew left he was out there cutting these boards
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and he took his tape measure.
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He measured 8 feet for the first one and he cut that board
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and he thought it'd be a lot quicker if he just used
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that next board as a template and so he put the tape
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measure away, put the next board on top of the next
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board to be cut.
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He drew a line and cut it and then he took the newly cut
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board and put it on the next piece and marked it and cut.
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The problem is every time you do that the new one
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you cut is about an eighth of an inch longer
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than the previous one which is fine if you're cutting
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three or four boards, but when you cut 100 you actually
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end up with boards that are nine feet long
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instead of eight feet long and that's what he did
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and what we've done in church history is we compare
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ourselves with each other and with a previous generation
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instead of with the original standard.
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Jesus is the original standard.
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He's the original measurement.
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He walked in the fullness of the presence of God
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and in power and he brought a redemptive solution
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to every single conflict he met.
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Didn't matter if it was a storm,
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didn't matter if it was a child that was about
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to be buried, he raised the child.
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Every broken situation he ran into he brought
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a redemptive solution and it's the only standard
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worth following and I may never do it well,
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but I don't have the right to change the assignment.
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- Wow, I love that because I think we all need to be
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reminded of that.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- You know, that he is the example, he is the one we follow.
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The mandate and the great commission that he spoke.
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- You know, what's funny about what you're saying though
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is everyone knows that, but when you really practically
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break it down, you know you know it, but you don't
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really think about it the way we're kinda talking
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about it now.
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Certainly, he's the example we strive to be like him,
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be like Jesus, follow Jesus, but the idea.
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- Then, somebody else gets in the way.
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- The way that he transformed his culture
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at every setting that he came into is really
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what we're breaking down in The Way of Life.
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- Yep, yep.
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- To see transformational change.
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- Where the answer is always Jesus.
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- Yeah, yeah, I constantly refer to Jesus as
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Jesus Christ is perfect theology.
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- Yes. - Oh, nice.
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- He is the perfect representation of the Father.
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The Father was not represented well in the Old Testament
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because there were other things that needed
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to be dealt with.
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The severity of sin, the absence of a solution
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apart from the coming lamb of God, so there were
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several things that had to be established,
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but in the New Testament Jesus reveals the Father.
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Hebrews says he is the exact representation
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of his nature.
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- My goodness, okay.
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Do you need the book to go to where you wanted
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to go to when we were inside?
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- No.
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- Okay, you know where to go?
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- When I became a pastor
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I was newly married, I had been married a few years,
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five or six years, seven years, something like that,
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and I had two children.
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I wanted more than anything for my children
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to serve God with all of their hearts.
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We ended up with a third child a little bit later,
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but that was my ambition.
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My ambition was just to be a good dad
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and a good husband.
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That was it.
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I was a pastor, that mattered to me, but it took
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second seat to being a good husband and a good dad.
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And, but I struggled a bit because I had been taught
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that when you, when you're a pastor God is number one,
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which is absolutely right, family is number two,
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ministry is number three and you go down this list.
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And so, I look at the people in our church
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and we've got real estate guys and God is number one,
00:31:08.030 --> 00:31:11.020
family's number two, real estate is number three.
00:31:11.020 --> 00:31:13.140
You know, you go down this list, hobby's number four,
00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:15.130
whatever, and the problem I had was you have to leave one
00:31:15.130 --> 00:31:19.190
to do the other and I came to a discovery
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that when God is number one there is no number two
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and then I began to see, a comment I made earlier,
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Israel approached work as worship and I began to see
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everything in my life that is legitimate
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is to be done as unto the Lord.
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So, everything is as unto the Lord.
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It should be done with all of my might
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and is to be done as an offering to God.
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So, it doesn't matter if I'm preaching
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in some foreign country to 10.000 people
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or I'm on a vacation with my wife, both are equally
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.050
designed by the Lord to be a tool in which
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I give him glory.
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What it does, it to me,
00:32:02.060 --> 00:32:06.040
being driven works against kingdom
00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:11.000
so I work with our folks.
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I say, listen, don't be driven because you measure
00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:16.080
your success by your accomplishments, be focused,
00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:19.060
be focused so that everything you do is as unto the Lord,
00:32:19.060 --> 00:32:22.250
that you have the ability to take a nap when you take
00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:25.190
a nap without feeling guilty because you're not
00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:28.040
out performing, you're not out doing something.
00:32:28.040 --> 00:32:30.090
That was so necessary for me to see that,
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a big deal for me is giving to missions
00:32:32.210 --> 00:32:37.080
has been a huge part of my life since I was
00:32:37.080 --> 00:32:38.290
just a young man and so, I would, you know,
00:32:38.290 --> 00:32:41.200
when you do something right there's a certain reward
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you get in your heart because you obeyed the Lord.
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You can hear him say, well done good and faithful servant.
00:32:46.270 --> 00:32:49.130
That's a huge part of our life in Christ is we did
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what we were supposed to do.
00:32:52.110 --> 00:32:53.180
I don't broadcast it.
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I don't let anyone know, just in my heart of hearts
00:32:55.030 --> 00:32:56.280
I know I did exactly what he required of me
00:32:56.280 --> 00:32:59.170
and I would have pleasure in sacrificing
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material goods to support the word of the gospel
00:33:02.210 --> 00:33:05.180
around the world.
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What I gave myself to was to also take care
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of my children and my wife, but I didn't receive
00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:14.110
the same kind of pleasure from it because I thought
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it was separate from my service unto the Lord,
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if that makes sense.
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- Yes.
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- My gift for missions, that's obviously spiritual.
00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:24.070
Buy a bicycle for my son, it's nice, but it's not
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necessarily spiritual, except it is.
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When you do it to the least of these
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you've done it to me.
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He actually takes pleasure in everything that we do
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that is truly, first of all, Biblical,
00:33:38.110 --> 00:33:41.220
and in the context of our life's responsibility
00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:44.180
everything becomes an offering to him
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and when I saw that you see that in scripture
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.180
fire falls on sacrifice so that means everything
00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:53.040
that I do for him, taking care of my wife, my kids,
00:33:53.040 --> 00:33:58.030
going out to lunch with a friend, preaching the gospel,
00:33:58.030 --> 00:34:01.130
praying for the sick, everything that I do for him
00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:03.270
as unto him attracts the presence into that environment.
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So now you see the medical doctor that serves his patients
00:34:08.070 --> 00:34:13.070
well, when he does that as unto the Lord, he actually
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attracts a manifestation of presence into that environment
00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:20.230
simply because it was used as an offering.
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This is where we bring transformations.
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We learn that when God is number one there is no number two.
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- Right.
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- I don't have to leave my service to God
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to care for my wife.
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I actually care for my wife as unto the Lord
00:34:32.060 --> 00:34:35.070
and he receives it as worship.
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- You know, I remember my grandmother taking care
00:34:37.190 --> 00:34:40.010
of my grandfather and you know, she needed help
00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:43.270
and we were all kinda and she would go, I just do that
00:34:43.270 --> 00:34:46.120
as unto the Lord.
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And, that was always her beautiful attitude,
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I just do it as unto the Lord.
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It's hard, it's tough, I do it as unto the Lord.
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- That's beautiful.
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- You know, and she was just fine.
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- You know, what it makes me think my simplified version
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of you is, to say that the Lord is more interested
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in every aspect than you think he is.
00:35:10.290 --> 00:35:13.090
- Exactly.
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- He is more interested and you can benefit more
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than you realize.
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.090
And so, we're talking about The Way of Life.
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We're in Redding, California.
00:35:23.290 --> 00:35:26.020
There's a lizard on a rock right behind the building.
00:35:26.020 --> 00:35:28.130
- I hear rustling in the leaves.
00:35:28.130 --> 00:35:30.040
- It's a good size lizard.
00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:32.020
- Squirrels everywhere.
00:35:32.020 --> 00:35:33.170
- And you'll know it if it runs over here and goes
00:35:33.170 --> 00:35:35.180
up the chair and gets anywhere near here,
00:35:35.180 --> 00:35:37.120
you're gonna know it.
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It's a beautiful day.
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By the way, the weather couldn't be any prettier.
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It's gorgeous and we're in northern California.
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The Way of Life, the 800 number's on the screen.
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We're talking about transformation and I keep
00:35:49.020 --> 00:35:54.020
getting back to the thing and I wanna go on again.
00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:57.200
Did you go into Chapter 10?
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Did you do that?
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- The Power of Assumptions.
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- No, it was the Power of Worship was the one.
00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:04.120
- Okay, you're gonna get into that in a second.
00:36:04.120 --> 00:36:06.240
Let's do that in a second, but what we're really,
00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:09.120
what we're really do is breaking down,
00:36:09.120 --> 00:36:11.140
and I keep thinking that one of the most important things
00:36:11.140 --> 00:36:15.210
to think about is often times we think that you know,
00:36:15.210 --> 00:36:20.210
even a show like this on Christian TV or church service
00:36:22.020 --> 00:36:25.250
is the end of the game.
00:36:26.170 --> 00:36:28.220
It's not.
00:36:28.220 --> 00:36:29.200
These are preparation moments.
00:36:29.200 --> 00:36:31.180
Learning tools, so that all of us go in and start
00:36:31.180 --> 00:36:36.180
transforming the industry.
00:36:37.140 --> 00:36:39.140
We need to transform you know, Netflix.
00:36:39.140 --> 00:36:42.160
We need to transform, in our world, we need to get
00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:45.210
deeper into content.
00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:48.050
We need to start getting content that goes
00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:51.040
into the secular marketplace and we're seeing
00:36:51.040 --> 00:36:53.210
a little bit of this pastor.
00:36:53.210 --> 00:36:55.210
We're, you know, we're creating pretty high end
00:36:55.210 --> 00:36:58.110
content called Drive Through History, for instance.
00:36:58.110 --> 00:37:01.140
We'll use that as an example.
00:37:01.140 --> 00:37:02.290
And Drive Through History is now being inquired about
00:37:02.290 --> 00:37:07.040
and even acquired by secular television networks
00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:10.250
outside the United States.
00:37:10.250 --> 00:37:12.130
So, one of them is in Taiwan.
00:37:12.130 --> 00:37:14.280
It's kind of the leading news channel of Taiwan
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:19.280
and they have a 35% market share in their broadcasting
00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:24.220
and they're going to be paying a licensing fee
00:37:24.220 --> 00:37:28.000
to TBN for our content because of the way we created
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.010
it has kind of a history spin to it.
00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:35.050
Israel is important and we're seeing this now
00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:39.060
start to happen around our new animation.
00:37:39.060 --> 00:37:42.260
TBN is now creating the new Veggie Tales episodes
00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:47.120
and working with NBC Universal as a partner in that.
00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:52.010
And so, we have 50 something new episodes underway,
00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:55.160
getting ready to relaunch the brand in a way
00:37:55.160 --> 00:37:58.120
that it used to be that all of us know about,
00:37:58.120 --> 00:38:01.040
so transforming, getting content out into the world
00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:04.160
is maybe the application for us, the way I'm
00:38:04.160 --> 00:38:07.140
interpreting who and what you are, but it's like
00:38:07.140 --> 00:38:11.050
you're giving us all permission in whatever field
00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:13.180
we're in to transform the field that we're in.
00:38:13.180 --> 00:38:16.090
And that can happen because as you do your job,
00:38:16.090 --> 00:38:19.080
unto the Lord, the manifest presence of the Lord there
00:38:19.080 --> 00:38:21.130
and anything can happen there.
00:38:21.130 --> 00:38:22.280
That's where raises come from and promotions
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.130
and wise ideas that the boss gets to hear about
00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:29.230
and promote you and then all of a sudden you're
00:38:29.230 --> 00:38:32.130
leading a division of a company and have
00:38:32.130 --> 00:38:35.030
a greater influence.
00:38:35.030 --> 00:38:36.010
Is that good, am I on track?
00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:37.170
- Absolutely.
00:38:37.170 --> 00:38:38.240
For those of us who have, more Pentecostal,
00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:43.190
charismatic backgrounds, emphasis for many years
00:38:43.190 --> 00:38:47.070
has been empower, which it should be because
00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:49.060
there is no gospel without power.
00:38:49.060 --> 00:38:52.040
It has to change a life.
00:38:52.040 --> 00:38:54.160
But, the Old Testament context for the fullness
00:38:54.160 --> 00:38:57.060
of the spirit was actually seen in wisdom
00:38:57.060 --> 00:38:59.120
as mentioned with a guy named Bezaleel,
00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:01.100
the guy who helped Moses in building the tabernacle.
00:39:01.100 --> 00:39:04.250
So the point is, it's the context of the two.
00:39:04.250 --> 00:39:08.070
Power will bring a revival as to say, a great move of God.
00:39:08.070 --> 00:39:11.230
Wisdom sustains it.
00:39:11.230 --> 00:39:13.150
Wisdom sustains it and translates it into a secular
00:39:13.150 --> 00:39:17.220
environment to bring about the intended change.
00:39:17.220 --> 00:39:20.120
And when we fail to move beyond what happens
00:39:20.120 --> 00:39:23.240
in the four walls of the church and we don't know
00:39:23.240 --> 00:39:26.010
how to translate, say for example, the power of God
00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:29.220
touches an individual and they are just glued
00:39:29.220 --> 00:39:32.040
to their chair for two hours and can't move
00:39:32.040 --> 00:39:33.210
'cause the power of God is on them and they get up
00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:37.010
with no fear of man.
00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:39.060
So, how do you translate revival from the four walls
00:39:39.060 --> 00:39:43.190
of the church to a secular environment?
00:39:43.190 --> 00:39:45.110
Now, go into the marketplace and they're willing
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to take a stand for something at work that they
00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:50.090
wouldn't have taken a stand for a day or two earlier.
00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:53.160
They now are willing to withstand opposition,
00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:58.000
not arrogantly, but in grace, to stand for something
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:03.000
that's right that eventually becomes the standard
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or the model that the entire business rotates around.
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It wouldn't have happened without that divine encounter.
00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:11.010
So, we need the grace to translate what I refer
00:40:11.010 --> 00:40:15.110
to as power, wisdom into a secular setting
00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.250
and that's wisdom.
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- Okay, never heard that before.
00:40:19.240 --> 00:40:22.080
That happens to me a lot when I listen to you.
00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:24.100
- Pastor Bill Johnson is one of the greatest
00:40:24.100 --> 00:40:27.040
Bible teachers ever.
00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:32.060
- Prior to the Holy Spirit in Acts, Chapter Two,
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we, the manifest presence of God was manifest
00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:43.150
through wisdom, so in the Old Testament
00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:45.100
the power of God came out through wisdom,
00:40:45.100 --> 00:40:48.230
the ability to build something that you wouldn't
00:40:48.230 --> 00:40:51.000
have had the normal wisdom to do.
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- Yeah, the way I would put it is, Bezaleel,
00:40:53.080 --> 00:40:56.210
in Exodus, I think it's 32, the Lord says I will,
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I will, he filled him with the spirit, the first person
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filled with the spirit in the Bible was Bezaleel
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and it was for the purpose of wisdom for the purpose
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of creativity.
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So, working with stone, working with wood, with fabrics.
00:41:13.060 --> 00:41:15.160
He had this grace to just work with this stuff
00:41:15.160 --> 00:41:18.040
with artistic expression, so then we come to the concept
00:41:18.040 --> 00:41:21.210
of wisdom and we see that wisdom then has probably
00:41:21.210 --> 00:41:25.130
dozens of expressions, but there's three
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that stand out to me.
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The first one is creativity.
00:41:28.090 --> 00:41:30.000
The second one is excellence.
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.080
The third one is integrity.
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You see, those three themes interwoven throughout
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the book of Proverbs and so with Bezaleel,
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we have wisdom manifest through creativity
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and through excellence and of course, there was integrity,
00:41:41.060 --> 00:41:43.280
his building something for the presence.
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So, we see those three manifestations.
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That's Old Testament.
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New Testament's is power.
00:41:49.080 --> 00:41:51.070
When God reveals a new truth, he doesn't
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abolish the previous.
00:41:53.130 --> 00:41:54.180
He said, I no longer call you servants.
00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:58.160
I call you friends.
00:41:58.160 --> 00:42:00.060
When you became a friend of God you didn't stop serving.
00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:03.140
Servanthood became the context into which friendship
00:42:03.140 --> 00:42:06.160
was established.
00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:07.280
It would be like the diamond in a ring.
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.290
Power becomes, wisdom becomes the context
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into which power receives a setting
00:42:14.080 --> 00:42:16.130
and it's when the two work together we have transformation.
00:42:17.240 --> 00:42:20.020
It's when we separate the two that we don't bring
00:42:20.020 --> 00:42:23.270
the change that we need.
00:42:23.270 --> 00:42:25.000
- Wow.
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:25.250
- Wow.
00:42:25.250 --> 00:42:27.030
- When you said diamond and setting you looked
00:42:27.030 --> 00:42:28.120
near my ring and mine's rubber, so.
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(laughing)
00:42:31.240 --> 00:42:33.080
- I don't either, but mine's better than yours.
00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:36.160
- Mine's rubber.
00:42:37.140 --> 00:42:38.240
So, we're in northern California.
00:42:40.030 --> 00:42:43.010
It's a beautiful day here, absolutely stunning.
00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:45.110
We're sitting doing one of the funnest things
00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:47.170
in the world, breaking down The Way of Life,
00:42:47.170 --> 00:42:50.210
Experiencing the Culture of Heaven on Earth.
00:42:50.210 --> 00:42:54.100
- You know what?
00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.250
I don't think I've ever seen or met anybody who is
00:42:55.250 --> 00:42:58.170
more a cheerleader for other people than Bill Johnson.
00:42:58.170 --> 00:43:03.190
- That's cool, thank you, thanks.
00:43:04.230 --> 00:43:05.260
- You are not intimidated by anybody.
00:43:05.260 --> 00:43:09.240
You give a platform to so many and you bless them forward.
00:43:09.240 --> 00:43:14.240
That's rare.
00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:17.040
You know, and you do it with all the people I know,
00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:20.230
you do it best.
00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:21.240
It's amazing.
00:43:21.240 --> 00:43:23.060
- Yeah, very kind, thanks.
00:43:23.060 --> 00:43:24.210
- Okay, move into whatever you're gonna move into.
00:43:24.210 --> 00:43:27.000
- I do love that.
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.030
- You know, I'm hoping to do a book on finances
00:43:30.140 --> 00:43:34.140
at some point.
00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:35.290
Chris just did a great one on wealth and prosperity
00:43:35.290 --> 00:43:38.170
and it's very healthy.
00:43:38.170 --> 00:43:40.120
It's not a perversion of either exalting lack
00:43:40.120 --> 00:43:45.120
or making spiritual money.
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The more you have the more spiritual you are.
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.190
Both are errors.
00:43:52.190 --> 00:43:54.030
But, I wanna write one some day, just based on this
00:43:54.030 --> 00:43:57.140
particular chapter.
00:43:57.140 --> 00:43:58.280
I'm hoping to have the liberty to do that at some point,
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.210
but here's the approach.
00:44:00.210 --> 00:44:02.050
Heaven has no lack and that culture's supposed to be
00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:06.060
the culture here.
00:44:06.060 --> 00:44:08.110
There is no lack.
00:44:08.110 --> 00:44:09.170
Jesus lived with a perception of what was available
00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:15.240
in the kingdom that was tangible.
00:44:17.060 --> 00:44:19.170
Now, let me rephrase that.
00:44:19.170 --> 00:44:21.150
He saw a crowd that needed to be fed,
00:44:21.150 --> 00:44:24.010
was not intimidated because he only had a boy's lunch
00:44:24.010 --> 00:44:27.130
because from heaven's perspective it's more than enough.
00:44:27.130 --> 00:44:30.150
In fact, he started with five loaves and fed 5000 people,
00:44:30.150 --> 00:44:35.140
men, besides women and children and had 12 baskets
00:44:36.250 --> 00:44:39.170
left over.
00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:41.010
When he started with more, seven loaves, he fed a smaller
00:44:41.010 --> 00:44:44.180
group of people, 4000 men, and had seven baskets left over.
00:44:44.180 --> 00:44:48.220
So, the less he started with the more he fed
00:44:48.220 --> 00:44:51.010
and the more he had left over.
00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:52.170
So, the kingdom of heaven has a perception of amounts,
00:44:52.170 --> 00:44:56.280
restrictions, limitations, that we don't have.
00:44:58.090 --> 00:45:00.270
We see numbers as restrictions.
00:45:00.270 --> 00:45:04.070
He sees them as opportunities.
00:45:04.070 --> 00:45:06.200
And so, the renewed mind becomes evident when the impossible
00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:11.200
is logical and so, his perception of things was completely
00:45:13.060 --> 00:45:15.290
different, so this issue of abundance,
00:45:15.290 --> 00:45:17.230
my favorite verse on this subject and perhaps yours,
00:45:17.230 --> 00:45:21.230
would be the one in 3 John, where he says, may you prosper
00:45:21.230 --> 00:45:25.010
and be in good health even as your soul prospers.
00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:27.170
So, the emphasis is on internal health,
00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:30.180
is on internal health.
00:45:30.180 --> 00:45:32.000
So, when Jesus was able to sleep in a storm
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.210
it was because he had peace.
00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:37.040
When he was awakened from the storm he spoke peace
00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:41.210
and the storm stopped, so his internal reality
00:45:41.210 --> 00:45:45.080
redefined the world that he was in.
00:45:45.080 --> 00:45:47.130
Because he had victory here he was able to implement
00:45:48.250 --> 00:45:52.020
that victory and redefine the nature of his surroundings.
00:45:52.020 --> 00:45:55.020
That's why Jesus said the kingdom is within you.
00:45:56.140 --> 00:45:59.010
All kingdom issues are heart issues.
00:45:59.010 --> 00:46:01.220
So, once you get the victory here, you're positioned
00:46:01.220 --> 00:46:04.210
to release the victory for others to benefit from
00:46:04.210 --> 00:46:07.060
and to enjoy.
00:46:07.060 --> 00:46:08.090
So, this kingdom of abundance, Jesus starts warning
00:46:09.210 --> 00:46:12.260
his disciples about the dangers of wealth
00:46:12.260 --> 00:46:16.130
and he says it's hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom
00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:19.160
and Peter says, we left everything to follow you.
00:46:19.160 --> 00:46:24.040
And Jesus said, that's right, and I will add 100 times
00:46:24.040 --> 00:46:28.000
as much of what you left back into your life.
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.170
That's, to me that's one of the most humorous stories
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.220
because it's almost like Jesus was holding up money
00:46:34.220 --> 00:46:36.250
and saying be careful, this will kill you.
00:46:36.250 --> 00:46:38.270
And Peter says, we left all of it.
00:46:38.270 --> 00:46:40.130
And Jesus said, that's right and I'm gonna add 100 times
00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:42.260
as much back in your life as what will kill you.
00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:46.040
In other words, because you trusted me without
00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:48.150
I can trust you with.
00:46:48.150 --> 00:46:50.280
That's what God did with Israel.
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.110
He brought them into the wilderness.
00:46:52.110 --> 00:46:54.260
They had all the gold of Egypt, but nowhere to spend it.
00:46:56.060 --> 00:46:58.260
The gold that built the tabernacle also built
00:47:00.030 --> 00:47:03.040
the golden calf so blessing always has a dual possibility
00:47:03.040 --> 00:47:06.080
to it.
00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:07.260
And so, he trained them to trust him daily for the manna,
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:12.120
the cloud by day, the fire by night, all that stuff,
00:47:12.120 --> 00:47:15.270
was the training for them to go where he wanted them
00:47:15.270 --> 00:47:18.130
to go which was into a land of abundance
00:47:18.130 --> 00:47:20.190
because in abundance, used correctly, your position,
00:47:20.190 --> 00:47:23.290
if I can use New Testament terminology, in abundance
00:47:23.290 --> 00:47:27.070
used correctly you're able to disciple nations
00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:29.060
and that's the call.
00:47:29.060 --> 00:47:31.000
- When somebody is going through a crisis
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.110
and whatever that crisis is, a divorce,
00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:39.170
a bankruptcy, you know whatever society calls the crisis,
00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:44.080
you know what I mean, and there's zillions of them,
00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:47.120
isn't that an opportunity then, if the perception
00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:52.120
of lack, we have a small lunch and we have a buncha
00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:58.000
hungry people, that was an opportunity.
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.230
That would have been a bad situation for most of us
00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:04.040
present day.
00:48:04.040 --> 00:48:05.130
We only have so much food and there's
00:48:05.130 --> 00:48:06.140
a buncha people to feed.
00:48:06.140 --> 00:48:07.270
So, isn't a negative thing often an opportunity
00:48:07.270 --> 00:48:12.110
to see God do something you have never seen done.
00:48:12.110 --> 00:48:14.220
- It always is 'cause he's a redemptive,
00:48:14.220 --> 00:48:17.040
he's a redemptive God.
00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:18.280
Here's the way, here's the way I look at it.
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.180
In the Old Testament God revealed himself
00:48:21.180 --> 00:48:24.250
in the heat of the day as a cloud,
00:48:24.250 --> 00:48:26.170
in the cold of the night as a fire.
00:48:27.220 --> 00:48:30.100
He always reveals himself opposite to his surroundings.
00:48:30.100 --> 00:48:33.070
- Oh my goodness.
00:48:33.070 --> 00:48:34.190
- So, how does he reveal himself in a recession?
00:48:34.190 --> 00:48:37.000
- Yeah.
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.200
- Abundance.
00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:39.150
- Exactly.
00:48:39.150 --> 00:48:40.220
- Health and sickness.
00:48:40.220 --> 00:48:41.250
- Exactly.
00:48:41.250 --> 00:48:43.030
It's because then what happens didn't happen
00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:46.130
just because of our talent.
00:48:46.130 --> 00:48:48.070
It actually happened because of supernatural invasion.
00:48:48.070 --> 00:48:51.040
It happened because God invaded a new possibility
00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:53.270
and unless we live on the edge where we're constantly
00:48:53.270 --> 00:48:57.130
invading the impossible, we're doing things mostly
00:48:57.130 --> 00:49:00.230
from our gifting which is fine, but our gifting
00:49:00.230 --> 00:49:04.030
where we can actually receive the credit and the glory.
00:49:04.030 --> 00:49:06.000
- You said invasion several times.
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.240
Let's just make sure that helicopter is a friendly one.
00:49:08.240 --> 00:49:12.210
It's actually behind the trees.
00:49:12.210 --> 00:49:14.160
So, we're outside.
00:49:14.160 --> 00:49:17.060
It is Redding, California.
00:49:17.060 --> 00:49:19.100
We are up in the mountains.
00:49:19.100 --> 00:49:20.210
What elevation roughly are we at?
00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:22.160
- I'm not even sure.
00:49:22.160 --> 00:49:24.000
Redding's 500 feet and this is quite a bit higher,
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.210
so should be couple hundred feet, couple thousand.
00:49:25.210 --> 00:49:28.050
- Yeah, couple thousand feet maybe and we're here,
00:49:28.050 --> 00:49:31.050
we are sitting with Bill Johnson.
00:49:31.050 --> 00:49:33.270
Bill, we've got about 10 minutes left
00:49:33.270 --> 00:49:36.030
and I love breaking down what we're breaking down,
00:49:37.220 --> 00:49:41.240
but couple of things I want to just prepare for.
00:49:41.240 --> 00:49:46.040
I'd love for you to pray that this message
00:49:46.040 --> 00:49:50.120
infiltrates the hearts of people, that we don't
00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:54.100
just sit here and talk about it without a result
00:49:54.100 --> 00:49:58.040
that you know, but I feel like we're fulfilling
00:49:58.040 --> 00:50:02.040
something that what we're really talking about
00:50:02.040 --> 00:50:06.060
is fulfillment of the prayer, Jesus, thy kingdom come,
00:50:06.060 --> 00:50:08.240
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
00:50:08.240 --> 00:50:13.240
and seeing how that happened and in case somebody
00:50:15.050 --> 00:50:17.190
hasn't seen the beginning of this.
00:50:17.190 --> 00:50:21.040
First of all, the TBN app is available.
00:50:21.040 --> 00:50:23.130
You can go to the app and you can watch the whole episode
00:50:23.130 --> 00:50:27.170
again and I encourage you to do that.
00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:29.110
And by the way, if you think you have the app,
00:50:29.110 --> 00:50:31.060
we just redid it so unless you have the version
00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:34.100
that looks kinda like Netflix you don't have the new one,
00:50:34.100 --> 00:50:37.060
so get the new one and the information is on the screen
00:50:37.060 --> 00:50:39.250
on how to do that, but this episode and every Praise
00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:43.290
episode and many other episodes are there.
00:50:43.290 --> 00:50:46.100
But, two things.
00:50:46.100 --> 00:50:48.220
I want you to pray for people in whatever situation
00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:53.290
or tragedy or conflict that they find themselves in,
00:50:53.290 --> 00:50:58.030
that there really is transformation that can happen
00:50:58.030 --> 00:51:02.050
to their situation.
00:51:02.050 --> 00:51:03.190
You'll pray, pray that and you'll do a great job.
00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:05.040
What though, do you want someone to get,
00:51:05.040 --> 00:51:09.270
somebody who reads every page, they're through
00:51:09.270 --> 00:51:13.200
and they've gotten the book, what transformation,
00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:16.130
what do you want to happen to somebody
00:51:16.130 --> 00:51:17.220
that reads this book?
00:51:17.220 --> 00:51:19.000
- I hope, I want people to realize there's hope
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:23.120
regardless of the situation.
00:51:23.120 --> 00:51:25.080
God is not nervous about anything.
00:51:25.080 --> 00:51:27.110
There's always an answer.
00:51:27.110 --> 00:51:29.010
Secondly, there is a purpose for every part of our life,
00:51:29.010 --> 00:51:31.190
a divine purpose that is no longer secular sacred.
00:51:31.190 --> 00:51:35.000
I want people to see the intent of God in hobbies,
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.280
in talents and abilities and relationships,
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:41.080
location, family heritage, all the stuff, they are
00:51:41.080 --> 00:51:45.050
all useful tools to the Lord.
00:51:45.050 --> 00:51:47.060
And third, I, my big dream is for the renewing of the mind.
00:51:47.060 --> 00:51:52.060
I want, I want, I want us to learn to think
00:51:53.110 --> 00:51:56.190
the way Jesus thought.
00:51:56.190 --> 00:51:57.210
He just thought differently.
00:51:57.210 --> 00:51:59.260
He thought so differently.
00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:01.150
He saw, he saw the opportunity of a moment.
00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:05.230
Temple tax was needed, go fishing and you'll find
00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:09.070
a coin in the fish's mouth.
00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:11.100
It was like he changed it up every time.
00:52:11.100 --> 00:52:13.160
Every miracle was different than the previous
00:52:13.160 --> 00:52:15.010
and so, the goal isn't to run a principle so I can
00:52:15.010 --> 00:52:19.100
duplicate the last miracle, it's to learn the voice
00:52:19.100 --> 00:52:22.240
so I can respond to what he's saying now
00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:24.050
and that's, it's a relational journey
00:52:24.050 --> 00:52:27.270
and he's not gonna give us a template that fits
00:52:27.270 --> 00:52:29.270
every situation.
00:52:29.270 --> 00:52:31.120
- A relational journey and often times what happens
00:52:31.120 --> 00:52:34.090
though is somebody gets some kinda very specific miracle
00:52:34.090 --> 00:52:37.180
then writes a book about it and tries to duplicate
00:52:37.180 --> 00:52:40.200
that same thing making a doctrine out of my experience.
00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:44.000
Jesus changes it so that you're following who he is
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.230
and what he is rather than someone's you know,
00:52:47.230 --> 00:52:50.250
former experience.
00:52:50.250 --> 00:52:53.100
- You know, you were talkin' though about the kingdom
00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:56.030
being on the inside of us.
00:52:56.030 --> 00:52:58.090
A lotta people don't feel that.
00:52:58.090 --> 00:52:59.230
A lotta people don't have that peace and in that storm.
00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:02.100
A lotta people don't have that knowledge of God
00:53:02.100 --> 00:53:05.140
is for me on the inside, you know.
00:53:05.140 --> 00:53:08.250
How do we help those people?
00:53:08.250 --> 00:53:10.190
- Everything we think and everything we do comes
00:53:10.190 --> 00:53:12.260
from love or fear.
00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.160
And so, if there's no realization or presence
00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:17.010
then fear's operating.
00:53:17.010 --> 00:53:18.250
It's one of the two.
00:53:18.250 --> 00:53:20.100
At some point we actually have to believe we're born again.
00:53:20.100 --> 00:53:23.140
At some point we actually have to believe
00:53:23.140 --> 00:53:25.100
that what God said in his word is absolutely true
00:53:25.100 --> 00:53:27.220
and if that is true, then I need, I owe him
00:53:27.220 --> 00:53:32.200
becoming aware of the God who is with me
00:53:33.240 --> 00:53:36.070
'cause he revealed himself as Emmanuel, the God with us
00:53:36.070 --> 00:53:38.140
and I have an obligation.
00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:40.170
I've got to discover that person so that I can
00:53:40.170 --> 00:53:43.260
more effectively cooperate with him.
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:46.000
I can yield to him.
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.020
I can be empowered by him.
00:53:47.020 --> 00:53:48.070
I can be directed by him.
00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:49.210
He doesn't look at any problem with nervousness or fear.
00:53:49.210 --> 00:53:52.220
Every situation that exists on the planet right now
00:53:52.220 --> 00:53:56.000
he has a solution in his mind and it is there.
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.250
He's already told us it was his pleasure to give us
00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:02.080
the mysteries of the kingdom.
00:54:02.080 --> 00:54:03.230
The secret things have been given to us.
00:54:03.230 --> 00:54:06.130
They're hidden, but they're hidden for us not from us.
00:54:06.130 --> 00:54:09.000
And so, if we learn who we are.
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.120
Proverbs puts it this way.
00:54:11.120 --> 00:54:12.190
It's the glory of God to conceal a matter,
00:54:12.190 --> 00:54:14.250
the glory of king is to search out a matter.
00:54:14.250 --> 00:54:17.010
So, if I discover my identity as royalty
00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:20.060
then I will embrace my assignment and seek
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for the secret things.
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- Beautiful, The Way of Life.
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It's available.
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Pray for the audience if you would, pastor.
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They're just right there behind that camera.
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Just love on the people and talk to 'em.
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- Absolutely.
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My cry is the Lord would impact you, would impact
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all of us to give us the renewed mind 'cause the renewed
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mind proves the will of God.
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That's what he says.
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He said, the will of God which is good, acceptable
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and perfect, it's thinking different that enables us
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to demonstrate the reality of his world and this one.
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So Father, I ask through the presence and the power
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of the spirit of God you would come upon every single
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person watching this broadcast, every person,
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that there would be such a deep and profound encounter
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with you that we would become mindful of you,
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we'd become mindful of your heart.
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We would leak hope, we would be contagious in our hope
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for situations that used to intimidate us,
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that now we subject them to your purposes
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and we look at them with great triumph and great victory
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knowing that you've already accomplished everything
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that's necessary for every situation we have
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once feared to become victorious.
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So, in Jesus name I pray that the hope,
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that there be clarity of thought of mind,
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that there be a sense of purpose that is discovered
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in employment, in unemployment, in everything,
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every place that we're at in life, that you would
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capture the purpose of those moments and that we
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can give them as offerings to you.
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We look for you to come and for the fire of your presence
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to fall upon the offering that we give you so that every
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place of employment becomes a place of habitation,
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a place where your presence, your power, your glory
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is actually manifest in the earth.
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God, we look to you for this.
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We long for this, we hunger for this.
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Let the reality of the Old Testament promised land
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shape how we think and how we approach abundance,
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how we approach the purpose for which we are alive
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and for all of this we say, Jesus be exalted,
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be glorified in everything we are, everything we do.
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I pray this in Jesus name, amen.
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Amen, amen.
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Whew.
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- Grandma, grandpa, those grandkids that you think
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think different and there's somethin' wrong with 'em,
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maybe this is their manifesto.
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Maybe this is the way they're supposed to think.
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Get this book, get it for someone.
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We want this message out to the world.
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That's why Laurie and I are sitting here
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with Bill Johnson this afternoon,
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beautiful day in Redding, California.
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We're talking about The Way of Life.
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The 800 number's on the screen.
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We'll see you next time.
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Love you Pastor Bill.
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Bye bye.
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