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Praise | Andrew Wommack | December 1, 2020

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December 1, 2020

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Matt and Laurie Crouch host Andrew Wommack from Colorado.

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Praise | Andrew Wommack | December 1, 2020

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- [Andrew] I think thatsome people watching,
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they've missed outon this eternal life.
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- So we accepted a Jesus thatmeant everything at death,
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nothing at life.
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- He came to forgive us
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so that he couldhave a relationshipwith us in this life.
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- [Matt] There is auniqueness to this life
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that God was yearning for.
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- This is what eternal life is.
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That's the first step isjust taking away this barrier
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and saying, "Father, Ibelieve that you do love me."
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- [Matt] So we're gonnadiscuss eternal life.
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- [Laurie] Love it.
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- [Announcer] Tonight on Praise,
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from Colorado, you've seenhim on Gospel Truth on TBN.
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Founder of Charis Bible Collegean author, Andrew Wommack.
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And now, Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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- Welcome to Colorado.
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We're here in the barnwith Andrew Wommack.
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Come on upstairs.
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Andrew, we're gonna be talking
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about somethingkind of important.
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It's time to discuss some thingsthat aren't about politics,
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that aren't about pandemics.
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Let's kinda zoom aboveall of that stuff,
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and let's go to somethingsuper important, okay?
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You said, "eternal life".- Yup.
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- What are we gonna bediscussing about eternal life?
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That's a big subject.
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- Well, let me take the mostfamiliar passage in the Bible,
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John 3:16.
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"God so loved the world thathe gave his only begotten son
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"that whosoever believesin him would not perish
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"but have everlasting life."
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And the church, forwhatever reason,
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has just totallychanged the emphasis
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that God gave His son sothat people wouldn't perish.
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But they've left outeverlasting life.
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And I think it's because theythink that everlasting life
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is talking about living forever,
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but everybody lives forever.
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Hitler is still alive.
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I mean his body's dead, buteverybody lives forever.
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And so some people will say,
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"Well, it's living foreverin eternity with God
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instead of living in hell."
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But John 6:47,
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"Verily, verily, I say unto you,
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he, that believeth on mehath everlasting life."
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So everlasting lifeisn't something
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that starts when you die,
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it is a present tense possession
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for every single persononce you believe,
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and over here in John 17:3,
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Jesus is called theauthor of eternal life.
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And he said in verse three,
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"This is life eternal."
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It's just like,
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if you were looking up ina dictionary or something,
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a Bible dictionary,what is life eternal?
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It says, "That they mightknow thee the only true God,
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and Jesus Christ,whom thou hast sent."
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So putting allthis back together,
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the reason that Jesus diedwasn't to forgive our sins.
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Now, hold on, so thatthey don't think,
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- Oh man!
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- So they don'tthink I'm a heritage.
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- Wow.
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- That wasn't the goal toget your sins forgiven.
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But it was to comeinto everlasting life,
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which Jesus describedas knowing God,
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the father and Jesus Christ.
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And of course the Bible,when it uses the word, know
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is talking about morethan intellectual.
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It's like, a man knows his wife
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and that she conceivesand has a child.
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So this is talking about anintimate relationship with God.
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And that's what Jesus came todo was to give us an intimate
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relationship withGod in this life.
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Not just in eternity.
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And so let me say it this way,
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that if all you did was believeso that you get your sins
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forgiven and youaren't going to perish,
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but if you aren't having anintimate relationship with God,
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you're missing thepurpose of salvation.
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And that is not beingproclaimed today.
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- Wow.
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- So grandma, if you fainted,
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we're gonna give youa second to wake up
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and come back to us.
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- I had just read Loises's book.
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And she said, "Whenyou receive Christ,
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your eternal life starts then."
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It's not when we dieand go to heaven.
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- That's true.- Yeah.
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- It starts...
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- That's what thisbraces are saying,
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if you believe on the Lord,
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you have eternal life.
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It's not somethingthat's future tense.
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It's not when weall get to heaven,
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it's, in the sweet, by and by
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it's in the rough now and now.
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- And its that know God now.
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- Yes, but it's talking abouta quality of relationship.
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In other words, notjust a mental knowledge,
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let me rephrase itand say it this way.
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That sin was a barrier thatstood between us and God,
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Isaiah chapter 59,
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"His hand didn'tshorten it cannot save
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nor His ear heavythat he cannot hear,
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but your iniquitieshave separated
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between you and your God".
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So sin was like a barrierthat stood between us and God.
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And so Jesus did comeand die for our sins
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and remove the barrier,
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and one of the benefits ofthat is we get to go to heaven
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and live forever with Jesus.
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So that's wonderful.
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But the reason He removed thebarrier was so that we could
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enter into this relationshipwith God and sad to say,
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I think that most Christianshave not taken advantage of
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eternal life or asthe Bible defines it,
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knowing God in an intimate way,
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the goal is to getyour sins forgiven
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so that you don't go to hell.
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And you know, the Bible saysthat faith comes by hearing
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and hearing by the word of God.
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And so if all you'redoing is saying,
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"Jesus died for your sins,
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So you can go to heaveninstead of going to hell."
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then that's allyou got faith for.
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So in order to,
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for people to understand thatGod even wants to have an
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intimate relationship with them.
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This is not something that'sbeen widely proclaimed.
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And because of it, peopledon't have any faith.
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- So people Probablyjust want to be to,
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to make sure thattheir sins are forgiven
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and don't wanna work on the,
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the everlasting life onthe eternal life on that
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relationship because it's work.
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- I think that if any, if peopleknew that it was available,
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I don't know whyanybody wouldn't wantto have an intimate
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relationship with God,but it's not presented.
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- Yeah.
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- I don't know exactlyhow you guys grew up.
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Of course, I knew Paul andJan through television,
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but the way I grewup, it was like you,
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the only reason youwere saved was so that
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you could do a workfor God so that you
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could lead somebodyelse to the Lord.
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And I actuallyheard it said that
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the only justificationfor your existence
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is to lead somebodyelse to the Lord.
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If all God wantedto do is bless you.
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He'd take you to heaven.
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That's where you'regonna be really blessed.
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So the only reasonyou're still here
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is to do a work for God.
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We were human doings,not human beings.
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- My goodness.
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- Going to the ministry.
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- And we had the song, about,
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I was born to serve the Lord.
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My eyes are madeto read your word.
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My feet were made towalk in your path.
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I was born to serve the Lord.
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And there's a truth to that.
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But at the same time, Godwanted relationship with us.
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You can take the verse in
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Revelation chapterfour verse 11.
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And this is talkingabout what's going on
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on heaven right now.
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And the 24 eldersare worshiping God,
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the living creatures andthose living creatures are
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constantly saying,they're falling down
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and saying, "For youare worthy because
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for, for your pleasure,
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all things areand were created."
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The way that stated shows
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you that the originalpurpose of God creating
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everything was for his pleasure
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and still that's the region.
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That's the purpose.
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A lot of things have changed.
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Like government was neverreally a part of God's system.
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If people werestill in perfection,
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you wouldn't need governments.
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You wouldn't need laws.
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You wouldn't need somuch that we have.
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But originally His purposewas for Adam and Eve.
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And I've taken this thing,
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that people said you were,
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the only purposefor you being here
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is to lead somebodyelse to the Lord.
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Or to do something.
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Or again, don't think grandma,
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like you're saying,
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but intercessors as much asI believe in intercession,
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did you know that wasn't apart of the original purpose?
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I mean, Adam and Eve,what did they do when
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they met with God inthe cool the evening?
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- They didn't haveany sins to confess.
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They didn't haveanything to ask for,
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they didn't need clothes.
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They had all the food they need,
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the climate was perfect,
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there was no politicalstuff to the deal with.
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- And that's heaven (laughing).
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- And so what do you do
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when you're fellowshippingwith the Lord,
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and you don't haveany sins to repent,
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and there's nothing?
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- [Laurie] Yeah.
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- I believe that they were justfellowshipping with the Lord
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and God as Father, it'sjust like our kids,
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you wanna hear what yourkids did during the day.
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And it may not be earth shaking,
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they may not havechanged anybody's life,
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but you're just interested.
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Did they go fishing?
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Did they do somethingwith their friends?
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And you're just wantingto hear what's gone on.
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- Okay, let meinterject and make sure
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I'm hearing what you're saying.
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First of all, I lovediscussions with you
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because I love theselittle atom bombs
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you drop every once in a while,
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and then have tokinda clean up later.
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Is it just awesome?- To get people's attention.
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- I love it.
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So let me just saythat it feels like
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you described your upbringing.
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Our upbringing wassomewhat that Israel
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became a nation in 1948.
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So now all that needs tohappen is this finish line
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is in view and all we do is work
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for the purpose ofsoul, soul, souls.
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Okay and there'snothing wrong with that.
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And that was a hugeemphasis and all of that.
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But six months beforemy dad passed away,
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my dad told us ina private setting,
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he said somethingto the effect of,
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"My first questionto the Lord is,
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"why aren't you back yet?"
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We thought we had thetiming figured out.
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We thought we had thiskind of 2000 years
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and dispensationaltheology and all that.
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So there was this kind of 1159and counting kind of thing
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that we all...
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I never thought I'd getold enough to get married.
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We virtually ran down the aisleto get married thinking...
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And then we thoughtwe'd never have kids,
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and now we never thoughtwe'd see our kids married.
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So you understand that we hadthis really timing mechanism
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and it was really about,
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"Friend, you don'twanna go to hell,
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"your grandma toldyou it's real.
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"You don't want to go there,
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"pray this prayer and youwon't go to hell when you die."
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So we accepted a Jesus thatmeant everything at death,
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nothing at life.
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So are you describingthe difference now?
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And in turn, you'reputting a term eternal life
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on this acceptance of Jesusand what it means for today.
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- Absolutely.
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Salvation is theforgiveness of your sins,
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which includeshealing, deliverance,
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and so many other thingsthat people haven't gotten,
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but it is specificallyknowing God in an intimate,
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close, personal way and that'swhat Christians are missing.
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And Matt and Laurie,let me just say,
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I'm not gonna get into politics,
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but the reason we're seeingso much weirdness today,
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even by Christians isbecause they've never
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been taught the word, theydon't know what the word says
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about all of these basic things.
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It's all about just get saved
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and so that you'll go to heaven.
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And yet Jesus, the lastinstruction he gave, he says,
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"Go into all the worldand, and make disciples."
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Not make converts.
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We've been making converts.
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And one of the thingsthat I've said a lot,
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I started out just like you.
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And I remember they said thatthe Dallas Fort Worth Airport
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would be finished in 1973.
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And I used to laugh and say,
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"Man, we'll be gonelong before 1973."
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- (clapping) Oh my God!
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I've had to redo therunways a couple of times
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since then (laughing).
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- I have predicted it and mensince then I quit predicting
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'cause I missed it big time.
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But anyway, I was expecting,everything to be over with
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but I had thisexperience in 1968
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where God revealed himselfto me in his glory.
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And I saw my relativeunworthiness.
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And when I saw that I was...
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I thought he hadtotally reject me.
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And it was just the opposite.
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Once I finally cameto the end of myself,
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he showed me howmuch he loved me.
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- My goodness.
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- And I just fell inlove with the Lord.
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And so I started offbeing evangelistic
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and I was knocking ona hundred doors a day
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and doing all thesekinds of things.
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And then God redirectedme over a period of years,
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but showed me that I wasgiven to the body of Christ
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as a teacher to try andget people to live up
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to their full potential.
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And that I see a lotof people born again,
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some through mypersonal ministry,
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but most of it is throughthe people I minister to,
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they become disciples.
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- Okay, you justsaid full potential,
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and we're discussing whatfollowing Jesus means today.
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So break it downfor me this way,
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describe a typicalChristian's life or mentality,
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knowing that theyhave accepted Jesus
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and he means something at death
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and somebody thatfully understands.
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Start giving us thedifference of what somebody
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might be missing outon instead of this,
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because I could sit hereand if there's a critic
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in the audience, and I'mnot saying I'm the critic,
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but I'll speak on theirbehalf for a moment.
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- Oh, play the critic,would you just-
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- I just don't wantanyone to think
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that what you'rethinking is that,
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we should all just sit here anddo smores and sing "Kumbaya"
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around a fire and plucka harp and daydream.
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You're not really talking about-
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- Now, when a person fallsin love with the Lord,
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like just take my ownpersonal experience.
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I got born againwhen I was eight,
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I was leading people to the Lord
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by the time I was a teenager,three and four people a week,
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quote unquote, having thempray a prayer after me.
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I don't know if theytruly got born again,
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but I could get themto pray a prayer.
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I could tell them, "Doyou want to go to hell?"
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And they say, no.
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I say, "Well, pray this prayer."
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So I come back with their scalp,
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and I'd claimed that I had ledso many people to the Lord.
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(Laurie laughing)
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So I was goingthrough the motions.
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But when I had this experience
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and I found out howmuch God loved me,
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I used to go make maybe fouror five visits on Tuesday night
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and Thursday nights.
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And I started youth visitation
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and I did all of these things.
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When I found out howmuch God loved me
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and I experienced this andwhat Jesus called eternal life,
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I quit going out on Tuesdayand Thursday night visitations
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because I was witnessingto everything that moved.
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I was talking to ahundred people a day
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instead of four or fivepeople, two nights a week.
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And I startedwitnessing to everybody.
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So what I'm saying isthat when you understand
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how much God loves you,
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you will do more accidentallythan you ever did on purpose
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out of works and out of effort.
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The reason I wasknocking on doors
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was because I was told...
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We used to sing these songsin the Baptist church about,
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will there be any stars,any stars in my crown
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when at evening atlast I lay down.
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Must I go in empty handed?
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Must I meet my savior so?
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And you know why thosesongs motivates you?
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Because it's you.
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You're thinking, "I don'twanna be embarrassed.
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"I don't want to be rejected."
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It's not love for theLord or love for people,
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it's self-love.
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But when I found outhow much God loved me,
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man, I just got sofired up that I threw...
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I quit taking count and Ididn't come back on Sunday
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and tell him how manypeople I had prayed with,
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I didn't care aboutwhether anybody knew.
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I was concerned about them.
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And this is...
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I think, why a lot of Christians
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ring hollow whenthey come across
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and start proclaiming topeople that you need Jesus,
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because they're reallydoing it for themselves,
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not for that person, theyaren't doing it out of love.
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- Whenever you talked outto people feeling guilty-
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- Absolutely.- That they're not.
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So that I thinkthat guilt was put.
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- Human nature says, "Ihave to do something."
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- That's right.
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- Surely this can't be afree gift like we're hearing.
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- Okay, I remember andI won't say who it is,
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because we all love him dearly.
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- Oh say it, go ahead.- Okay, your dad.
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- Okay.
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- He said to me one dayand I'll never forget it,
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because he was talkingabout the sin of omission
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and was talking aboutdifferent sins and stuff.
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And then he said,
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"Honey, did you witness to thelady doing your nails today?"
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Now this is 35 years ago.
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And it made me feelguilty because I thought,
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"No, I didn't."
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But my lifestyle andmy love hopefully
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is speaking louder thanwords could ever say.
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And that's the way I felt
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when there was a littleguilt attached to his words.
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- There's no doubt thatpeople like your dad,
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God used themtremendously of course
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for TBN and everything.- Oh yes.
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- And people likethat, God uses them.
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But evangelism really oughtto be more of an outgrowth
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of our life than going upto a person on the street
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and saying "Repent or else,turn or burn (chuckling).
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I used to have atrack that actually
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said that on it.(Laurie laughing)
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And I had another trackI printed up that says,
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"What you must doto go to hell."
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And you open it up andit was totally blank,
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and you turned it over and itsays, "That's right, nothing."
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Because you're alreadyheaded to hell.
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(group laughing)
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- I remember the time Mattpainted with no polish
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on a big turtle wefound at the Lake
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during a birthday (laughing).
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- It was a joke.(Laurie laughing)
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- Prepared. (laughing)
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- But you know, my ownpersonal experience is,
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I was going through the motions
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and I was doing betterthan anybody I knew.
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I was leading morepeople to the Lord
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per week than the pastor
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but it was not,it weren't joyful.
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I was worn out.
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I believe I'd burned out withina very short period of time
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if God hadn't touched me.
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And I'm not sure thatany of the people
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I was leading to theLord were truly saved.
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I don't know, but Iwas doing those things.
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But when I experiencedeternal life,
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when I experienced God'slove, I just came on fire
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and I witnessed tomultiple times more people.
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Matter of fact I actuallymade a commitment one time,
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which was wrong and itwas ignorant on my part,
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but I made a commitmentI'd never see a person
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that I wouldn't talkto them about the Lord.
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And I'd kept it tothe best of my ability
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until I was drafted andstanding at attention
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and seeing a 1.000people walk by.
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I thought, how amI gonna do this?
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And I finally had to realizethat's just impossible.
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But I gave it a college try.
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And when I fell inlove with the Lord,
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I was much more effectiveministering to people
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than I was when I wasdoing it for myself
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and doing it out of guilt,like what you're saying.
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And so it just totallytransformed my life.
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- So are we edging towardsand make sure you circle back
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because I left you on acloud, strumming a harp.
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Okay I wanna make sure thatwe aren't talking about
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eternal life is somethingyou just sit and think about.
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What are we wanting to drawpeople into an understanding of?
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- I don't personally relateto what you're saying
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because if you fallin love with the Lord
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how can you not tellpeople about him?
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And how can younot read his word?
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And how can you not standfor Godly principles?
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It's people that don't havethis intimate relationship
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with the Lord thatare doing nothing.
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The people that are onfire with the love of God
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those are the ones there areout making the difference.
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- Then what we're talkingabout is almost a era
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that we seem to bein where a message
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of the gospel of grace is beingpreached and not of works.
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So are you-
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- Well again, there's somuch confusion over terms
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but I've got people that saythat they're preaching grace
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but man, it's justless seriousness.
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It's an excuse forthem to live in sin,
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which I believe I'mone of the strongest
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grace preachers there is
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but I've got peoplethat I led into grace
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that are now callingme a legalist
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because I still believeyou ought to love your wife
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and stay married to one womanand not have a relationship.
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- Well then I'm a legalist.
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- But really there'sa lot of people
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that now are callingthemselves grace
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that there's one guyI've ministered with.
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He says, "It's onlyyour flesh that can sin,
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not your Spirit, theSpirit's the real you.
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And so it really don'tmatter what your flesh does."
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I've actually hearda guy teach that.
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- Well, if you punch acop, you might go to jail.
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So there are some consequences
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involved in some things.
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- Don't believe that.
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- And if you failin your marriage,
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you might getpunched by your wife.
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Okay, you might.
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- There is a big possibility.
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- So why don't youbreak that down?
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Because somebody could betuning in, first of all welcome.
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You're in The Barn here inColorado with Andrew Womack.
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We're in the middle ofkind of a Bible study
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kind of feeling moment here.
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We're talking about eternal life
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and you're defining eternallife as present day.
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And that there issuch a beautiful thing
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called the love of God thatcan infiltrate your life.
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That it changesyou dramatically.
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Most people aren't getting toexperience that because, why?
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- Because first of allthey don't even know
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that that's what God wants.
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They think that hepitied us, he forgave us
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because he's responsiblefor creating us.
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And so therefore hehas some responsibility
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for the whole mess.
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So Jesus died for usand forgave our sins
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so that we could go to heaven.
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But they don't understandthat eternal life
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is something that is far as now.
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And God wants tofellowship with us.
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God loves us.
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God inhabits thepraises of his people,
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is what it says in Psalms 22:3.
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And you know, Jesus quotedthat first verse and said,
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"My God, my God whyhast thou forsaken me."
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But then the third versetells you why he was forsaken,
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because God is Holy.
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And he inhabits the praises
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of his people inJesus became sin.
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He became what I wasand took all of my sin.
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But God inhabits our praises.
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God loves us.
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Lemme give you anexample that Jamie and I,
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our kids when theywere like, I don't know
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seven and five or something,they were real young.
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We took them outand let them take
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one of the neighborhoodkids with them.
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And I took them out,Jamie stayed home.
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And I went and we rodehorses all day long.
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We played in the creek,we dammed up the creek,
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we got dirty, we ate junk food.
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We did everything thatif Jamie was with us
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she wouldn't havenecessarily agreed with it.
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But anyway, at the end ofthe day, we took them home.
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We cleaned them up.
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We had our devotions and asI was leaving Peter's room,
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my youngest son, he said, "Dad."
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And I said, "Yeah."
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And he said,"You're a good dad."
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And when he saidthat, it blessed me.
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He didn't go, bless you dad.
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Let's see, this is what alot of religious people do.
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And they'll say, bless the Lord.
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But God may or may notbe blessed by that.
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When it says, bless the Lord.
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It isn't saying,repeat those words.
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When we tell God,"God, I love you."
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It blesses him.
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And I think that somepeople watching this man
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are probably gonna think no way.
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God would never beblessed by anything.
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All I can do is dosomething for him.
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But they missed outon this eternal life.
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They don't understandthat God loves us more
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than we love our kids.
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And in the same way that we long
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to have our kids to just come
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and sometimeswithout being told to
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just say, "I love you"or say "Thank you".
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It blesses us.
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God gets blessed.
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I used to be an usher inKathryn Kuhlman's meetings.
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And Jamie and Ibefore we got married
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we went to one in FortWorth I think it was.
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And we saw miracles.
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I actually picked a womanup off of a stretcher
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and put her in a chair andshe didn't weigh 60 pounds.
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And then she wasrunning down the aisle,
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pushing the stretcher.
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And I saw things like this.
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And Jamie and Isat there and after
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the thing was overand everybody left,
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we were the lastpeople sitting there.
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It was like, wewere on holy ground.
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And we were just thanking God
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for the things that we had seen.
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And then many years laterI was in Omaha, Nebraska.
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And I saw peoplethat wouldn't leave.
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They were sittingthere, just all struck
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because we'd seen blindeyes, open deaf ears open.
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And I recognize thatthey were feeling exactly
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the way that Jamie andI did at my meeting.
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And as I was drivingback to the hotel
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I was just praisingGod and saying,
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"Thank you father, thank you
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for touching peopleand using me."
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And I was just praising God.
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And the Lord told me, "Hesays thank you, Andrew."
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- For being a good dad.
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- And see when you say that,there's a lot of people
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that if they don'tunderstand about
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an intimaterelationship with God,
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they'll think that's blasphemy.
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God would never thankyou for anything.
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He uses you like a glass.
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You stick a straw in it andsuck it until you hear that.
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And then you go get another one.
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You just use them up,but God's not like that.
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God loves us, manLord, he loves us.
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If we could ever understandhow much he loves us
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and go to experiencing that
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that love andacceptance from God,
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man it'll cause you to lay down
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your life and to die for him.
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- And that's what you'recalling eternal life?
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- Absolutely.
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- Okay.
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Would it be fair to labelthat also an understanding
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of the gospel of grace.
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Is that, are we in the, atleast in the same category?
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- I think that the gospel ofgrace is how you appropriate
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or how you experiencethis eternal life.
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I would think that-
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- Go with that fora while because-
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- I think thatthere are different.
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In other words, a personcould get born again
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through understanding thatit's nothing that they've done.
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It's totally the grace of God
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and they could bethankful for it.
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But whether they evertake the next step
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and start appropriatingthen saying,
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"Father because you'vetotally cleansed me now
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I can fellowship withyou just like I."
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- I've never sinned.
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And if so, I think thatthat's another step.
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The gospel of graceis how you understand
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like what grace did for me.
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I had this experience Iwas just talking about
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and I knew that God loved me
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but my religious brainwould not let me embrace it
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because I didn't deserve it.
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How could God love me?
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And it wasn't until I understoodwhat I call spirit, soul
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and body that Ibegan to understand
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how God could love me.
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And that was thegospel of grace.
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And that's what enabledme to embrace it
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and start stepping into it, but.
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- Okay. So the gospel
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of grace might've beenthe introductory course
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eternal life isyou're circling back
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to God's original intent
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for having Adam and Eve.
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- Absolutely.
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- And there was a communion,a constant communion
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or at least mostly constant.
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What you're talking aboutis you're talking about
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could we know thatGod loves us so much
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that we would commune with him
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like we were hisoriginal intent?
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- Absolutely. Andwe can do that.
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And circling back to Johnthree 16, this is what it says.
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The reason he gavehis son wasn't
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to forgive our sins primarily,
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it was so that we couldhave eternal life.
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And it was just thatsins were a barrier.
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We were so defiled by him
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and he was Holyand we were unholy.
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So he did die for oursins and take them away.
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But for what purpose, notso we could go to heaven.
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Now that's gonnabe a great benefit.
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I'm not denying that, but it was
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so that we could have thisintimate relationship with him.
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Let me give you another examplethat when I was just right
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after I had this experiencewith the Lord in 1968
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my mother thoughtI'd had gone crazy.
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And she took me over to Europeon this Billy Graham trip.
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And we went toBern, Switzerland.
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But anyway, we dida tour and we went
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through Rome and Inever will forget going
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through the Coliseum,the Circus Maximus
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looking where the Christianswere put to death.
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And I went through the catacombs
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and I, you know, theyhad inscriptions.
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Have you seen those catacombs?
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And they would haveinscriptions there.
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They would have to burytheir dead in the catacombs
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so the Romans wouldn'tdesecrate them.
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And I remember one inscription,
00:29:51.746 --> 00:29:53.882
it was translated into English.
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And it says, here lies my wife
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and six months old daughterwho gave their life
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for the glory of God inthe Circus Maximus today.
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And you could tell thathe was praising God.
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Because they had such adepth of a relationship.
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And I also heardwhen I was there
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that they said Nero literallystuck his fingers in his ears
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because theChristians would sing
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as they were beingburned to death and kill.
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And he says, why dothese Christian sing?
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And one of the reasons thatthey stopped the games was
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because were so many peoplein the stands seeing the love
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and the joy on the people's face
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as they were burned andmutilated and stuff.
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And the Romans would jump out
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of the stands and go out thereand immediately accept Jesus
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because they wanted thatquality of a relationship.
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They weren't repeatingsome words after somebody
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or just saying, say a prayer.
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They were going forthat relationship.
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- Cause that is the mostpriceless, precious treasure
00:30:54.609 --> 00:30:57.578
there is
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- People are lookingfor that more than
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they're looking for anything.
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- Yeah.
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And they should be concernedabout heaven and hell.
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I'm not sayingthat's not a factor
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but most people are livingin such a hell right now
00:31:06.821 --> 00:31:09.824
that they're just trying toget through the COVID-19 thing.
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They're just trying to getthrough their physical problems,
00:31:13.361 --> 00:31:16.397
their marriage problems.
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And they aren'tthinking long-term.
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And the church, the reasonthat Jesus was so effective
00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:22.670
people were breakingholes in the roof
00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:24.605
and letting the sick in
00:31:24.605 --> 00:31:26.107
because it would meet them rightwhere they were not talking
00:31:26.107 --> 00:31:29.544
about eternity, and the church
00:31:29.544 --> 00:31:31.713
for whatever reason has gottentotally away from talking
00:31:31.713 --> 00:31:36.050
about having an intimate,personal relationship with God
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and it's all about just repentso you won't go to hell.
00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:43.091
You know, if here's anotherexample that I would, like
00:31:43.091 --> 00:31:46.060
I told you, I was witnessinto everything that moved
00:31:46.060 --> 00:31:48.696
and talking to lots ofpeople, but I got hooked up
00:31:48.696 --> 00:31:51.599
with the navigators, wentback in about 69 or 70.
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And one of theexamples that they use
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that just changed my life.
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He says that if you took aminister who is so evangelistic,
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that he led athousand people a year
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to the Lord, thatwould be phenomenal.
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That's nearlythree people a day.
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I don't know anybody thatdoes something like that.
00:32:10.184 --> 00:32:12.954
But if you let athousand people a year
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to the Lord at the endof a 35 year ministry,
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you'd have 35.000 Christians.
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And even all thatwould be wonderful.
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It wouldn't even affect NewYork city, Los Angeles, Chicago.
00:32:23.064 --> 00:32:26.267
It wouldn't change anything.
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We got more than that, manyChristians in those places.
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But if you took the sameperson and if he went out
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and instead of making converts,he just led one person
00:32:33.608 --> 00:32:37.445
to the Lord every six months,and then isolated himself
00:32:37.445 --> 00:32:40.648
with that person and taughthim everything he knew
00:32:40.648 --> 00:32:43.217
so that this personwas a disciple.
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Then at the end of six months
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you'd have two disciplesversus 500 converts.
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At the end of the year,they would each go out
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and they would each makeone more disciple and,
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and school them.
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So at the end of the year
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you'd have a thousand convertsversus four disciples.
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But at the end of12 and a half years
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you would disciple more thanthe population of the world.
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More than 7 billion people,if we were making disciples.
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And I know that that doesn'tsound right, but it's true.
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If you, if you onlyhad half of it,
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at the 11 years andsix months thing,
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then it would double
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you would be doubling everytime, compound interest.
00:33:25.526 --> 00:33:28.396
- I was told there wouldn'tbe any math on this show.
00:33:28.396 --> 00:33:31.399
(laughing)
00:33:31.399 --> 00:33:32.633
So that's one thing- You were hoping
00:33:32.633 --> 00:33:34.235
there wouldn't
00:33:34.235 --> 00:33:35.503
be any math- I'm not comfortable with.
00:33:35.503 --> 00:33:37.371
I, I want to have you address,
00:33:37.371 --> 00:33:42.076
someone who says,
00:33:43.845 --> 00:33:45.947
Andrew,
00:33:47.448 --> 00:33:48.282
what's your point here?
00:33:49.717 --> 00:33:51.786
You know, everyone shouldbe like Reinhardt Bonnke
00:33:51.786 --> 00:33:54.689
in his life and goand have mass crusades
00:33:54.689 --> 00:33:57.525
and just, what, whatdo we, what do we
00:33:57.525 --> 00:34:00.795
what do you want us to gain
00:34:00.795 --> 00:34:02.997
from this study that you'resitting here doing right know?
00:34:02.997 --> 00:34:06.234
I'm saying that people whoare looking only for an
00:34:06.234 --> 00:34:10.771
a ticket out of hail
00:34:10.771 --> 00:34:13.141
have missed the realpurpose of salvation.
00:34:13.141 --> 00:34:15.576
That's not to say thatthey aren't saved.
00:34:16.711 --> 00:34:18.713
It's not to say, if they die,they wouldn't go to heaven
00:34:18.713 --> 00:34:21.215
and heaven's goingto be a blast,
00:34:21.215 --> 00:34:23.417
but they are missing thereason that Jesus came,
00:34:23.417 --> 00:34:26.454
he didn't come
00:34:26.454 --> 00:34:27.989
to just forgive us so thatwe wouldn't go to hell.
00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:30.858
He came to forgive us so
00:34:30.858 --> 00:34:32.493
that he could havea relationship withus in this life.
00:34:32.493 --> 00:34:36.964
And so if we experienced that
00:34:36.964 --> 00:34:39.500
it will not only changethe quality of life for us
00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:43.471
but we would become a thousandtimes more productive.
00:34:43.471 --> 00:34:47.675
And I don't want to call names
00:34:47.675 --> 00:34:50.545
but I watch peopleon television.
00:34:50.545 --> 00:34:53.447
Some of them on TBN
00:34:53.447 --> 00:34:55.383
and they have a message,
00:34:55.383 --> 00:34:57.151
they got a style,
00:34:57.151 --> 00:34:58.386
they get people all worked up
00:34:58.386 --> 00:35:00.321
but when it's all over,
00:35:00.321 --> 00:35:02.190
those people don't knowthe Lord and you can see it
00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:04.525
because of the way thatthey can't appropriate
00:35:04.525 --> 00:35:07.962
any of the things they,they cave every time
00:35:07.962 --> 00:35:10.731
they get into trouble.
00:35:10.731 --> 00:35:12.567
They just don't havethe relationship.
00:35:12.567 --> 00:35:15.203
And this is probably the numberone statement that's made
00:35:15.203 --> 00:35:18.506
by the people that come toour Bible colleges that they,
00:35:18.506 --> 00:35:20.975
they actually sometimes get mad.
00:35:20.975 --> 00:35:22.910
Why didn't I know these things?
00:35:22.910 --> 00:35:24.478
How come I didn't knowhow much God loved me?
00:35:24.478 --> 00:35:28.182
And they just have missedout on all of this.
00:35:28.182 --> 00:35:30.518
- Let me see ifI'm right or wrong.
00:35:31.953 --> 00:35:34.822
Okay.
00:35:34.822 --> 00:35:36.357
- You're like, Jesus, you, yousay things through questions.
00:35:36.357 --> 00:35:38.960
(laughs)
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.294
- Let me see.- Always asking questions.
00:35:40.294 --> 00:35:41.829
- Let me just, let me justsee if I, let me just see
00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:44.599
if I'm drinking from thisliving water correctly.
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.370
Okay. Just makesure I'm getting it.
00:35:49.370 --> 00:35:51.138
Cause I wanna, Iwant to know, okay.
00:35:51.138 --> 00:35:53.274
You seem to be putting animportance on this life,
00:35:54.709 --> 00:35:59.247
this vapor, it's describedin scriptures of vapor,
00:36:00.681 --> 00:36:03.684
very short period of ourentire existence, okay.
00:36:03.684 --> 00:36:08.689
That there is an opportunitythat we're missing
00:36:08.689 --> 00:36:13.160
that God is really,
00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:15.463
his original intent was about
00:36:17.098 --> 00:36:19.200
we're missing part ofthe original intent
00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:22.603
because God wanted peopleto just praise him.
00:36:22.603 --> 00:36:27.575
He has a whole bunch ofangels, and apparently
00:36:27.575 --> 00:36:29.610
they're doing a reallygood job of that right now.
00:36:29.610 --> 00:36:32.413
Man was a very unique creature.
00:36:32.413 --> 00:36:35.716
And as we're sitting heretoday, we have an opportunity
00:36:35.716 --> 00:36:40.021
to commune and, and, and really
00:36:40.021 --> 00:36:43.624
be a part of God'soriginal intent
00:36:44.859 --> 00:36:49.096
while we're alivetoday, in pandemics,
00:36:49.096 --> 00:36:53.367
craziness in streets,some cities on fire,
00:36:53.367 --> 00:36:57.905
and we can talk to Godand commune with him,
00:36:57.905 --> 00:37:01.542
be a part of hisoriginal intent.
00:37:01.542 --> 00:37:03.644
So there's a really importantemphasis you're putting on
00:37:03.644 --> 00:37:06.647
this life right now.
00:37:06.647 --> 00:37:08.015
- Absolutely. Youtake care of this life
00:37:08.015 --> 00:37:10.351
the next lives' a given.
00:37:10.351 --> 00:37:12.653
- Okay. Now speak toa pastor who says,
00:37:12.653 --> 00:37:16.791
Andrew,
00:37:16.791 --> 00:37:18.259
you sound like you're,you're missing the point.
00:37:18.259 --> 00:37:21.896
Isn't the point just aboutpeople populating, plunder hell,
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populate heaven.
00:37:27.601 --> 00:37:28.836
- Well, let me, letme say it this way
00:37:28.836 --> 00:37:30.338
that I would say most people
00:37:30.338 --> 00:37:31.972
the focus is on let's go outand change people's lives.
00:37:31.972 --> 00:37:36.377
I think the focus should beon our relationship with God
00:37:36.377 --> 00:37:39.747
and then people's livesbeing changed would be
00:37:39.747 --> 00:37:43.317
the by-product of ourrelationship with God.
00:37:43.317 --> 00:37:46.520
- Okay
00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:47.988
- Not the relationshipwith God being secondary.
00:37:47.988 --> 00:37:50.458
And here's another verse isacts chapter 13, verse two.
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And it says, you know,
00:37:54.595 --> 00:37:55.863
there was Paul and Silasand a number of people.
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And it says as theyfasted and prayed
00:37:59.133 --> 00:38:01.268
and ministered to the Lord,
00:38:01.268 --> 00:38:02.737
the Lord said, separateme Barnabas and Saul
00:38:02.737 --> 00:38:05.272
for the work we'reinto, I've called them.
00:38:05.272 --> 00:38:08.109
So they wereministering to the Lord.
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How do you minister to the Lord?
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Do you sit downand preach at him
00:38:13.381 --> 00:38:15.383
and you've got to change,you got to do something?
00:38:15.383 --> 00:38:18.419
No, you know, it's thesame thing is said over
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in the eighth chapter of Matthew
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after Jesus healedPeter's mother-in-law
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it said she arose inministered unto them.
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That means that sheprobably washed their feet
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or cooked them.
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- Cooked them something to eat
00:38:31.565 --> 00:38:32.833
or did something,ministered to 'em.
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So here's a radical thought.
00:38:35.369 --> 00:38:38.005
God needs ministering to,they ministered to the Lord.
00:38:38.005 --> 00:38:43.010
But how do youminister to the Lord?
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It's not because he'sat a deficit in any way,
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but any person who loves.
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God so loved the world.
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If you love a person,
00:38:51.685 --> 00:38:53.587
you long for thatperson to love you back.
00:38:53.587 --> 00:38:56.323
If you love Laurie.
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What would it be likeif you love Laurie
00:38:58.859 --> 00:39:00.528
but if she didn't love you back?
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It would be miserable.
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That's what theytalk about tragedy
00:39:04.465 --> 00:39:07.201
and all of thesekinds of things.
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So any person who loves, youwant that love to be returned.
00:39:08.803 --> 00:39:13.674
And most Christians aren'tministering unto the Lord.
00:39:13.674 --> 00:39:16.377
They aren't loving the Lord.
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You know again, I believethat Adam and Eve,
00:39:18.479 --> 00:39:20.247
they didn't intercede,they didn't rebuke,
00:39:20.247 --> 00:39:24.351
they didn't have demons to bind,
00:39:24.351 --> 00:39:26.053
they didn't havethings to pray over.
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They just would say, "God, itwas a beautiful day to day.
00:39:27.721 --> 00:39:30.658
"The sunrise was awesome.
00:39:30.658 --> 00:39:33.093
"Man, it was beautiful.
00:39:33.093 --> 00:39:35.362
"We found a brandnew fruit today
00:39:35.362 --> 00:39:37.331
"that we've never eatenbefore, and it was awesome.
00:39:37.331 --> 00:39:39.767
"You did a great job."
00:39:39.767 --> 00:39:41.969
Things like that.
00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:43.471
They were just telling God andhaving relationship with God
00:39:43.471 --> 00:39:45.840
and God inhabits thepraises of His people.
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- You are declaring that youunderstand what eternal life is
00:39:49.243 --> 00:39:54.248
and that you're living it.
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You are, that's your declarationhere on this program.
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- I'm not saying that I'vearrived, but I've left.
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- Okay.
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(Laurie laughing)
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- I like that.
00:40:05.526 --> 00:40:06.360
- And you'redescribing eternal life
00:40:07.361 --> 00:40:09.630
as an understandingof God's love
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so that you cancommune with Him.
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- Yeah well, it's not just...
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The understanding is essential,
00:40:15.970 --> 00:40:18.906
but it does you no goodunless you'd take advantage
00:40:18.906 --> 00:40:21.742
and put it to practice,
00:40:21.742 --> 00:40:22.743
so it's actually communion.
00:40:22.743 --> 00:40:24.445
- But that's what we're saying.
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So those two statementsare true then.
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So how is your life better today
00:40:29.083 --> 00:40:33.954
than before youhad an experience
00:40:33.954 --> 00:40:37.525
where God showed youhow much love you have?
00:40:37.525 --> 00:40:40.895
What's what's thepersonal testimony
00:40:40.895 --> 00:40:43.731
of who and what you are today.
00:40:43.731 --> 00:40:46.033
- Do you wanna give melike a a month to say?
00:40:46.033 --> 00:40:48.969
(Laurie laughing)
00:40:48.969 --> 00:40:50.337
- No, not a month (laughing)
00:40:50.337 --> 00:40:51.839
- But honestly I can saythat everything in my life
00:40:51.839 --> 00:40:55.809
comes back to this,
00:40:55.809 --> 00:40:57.111
to my relationshipwith the Lord.
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You know, when I firstgot turned on to the Lord,
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the first things he askedme to do is to quit school.
00:41:01.582 --> 00:41:03.851
I quit school.
00:41:03.851 --> 00:41:04.685
I lost a student affirm
00:41:04.685 --> 00:41:05.986
and I lost moneyfrom the government.
00:41:05.986 --> 00:41:07.555
I got drafted, Igot sent to Vietnam.
00:41:07.555 --> 00:41:11.926
20 years after I wasback from Vietnam,
00:41:11.926 --> 00:41:14.194
a guy gave me a book that hewanted me to read about it.
00:41:14.194 --> 00:41:17.097
It had 12 testimonies of people
00:41:17.097 --> 00:41:19.934
and three of themwere in my division
00:41:19.934 --> 00:41:22.803
and I think two of themwere while I was there.
00:41:22.803 --> 00:41:25.573
And one of them,
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I can't guarantee becausehe didn't give the specifics
00:41:27.107 --> 00:41:29.043
but I think I wasthere when he described
00:41:29.043 --> 00:41:33.047
this hill being overrun, Iwas a chaplain's assistant.
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And so I went inwith the chaplain
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and it was a Protestant chaplain
00:41:38.319 --> 00:41:39.853
but it was comparable togiving the last rights.
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They expected allthese guys to die.
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So we went in andheld a service.
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And in an area about the size,
00:41:47.328 --> 00:41:49.129
maybe just a little bitbigger than this barn,
00:41:49.129 --> 00:41:51.665
we took 175 mortars during thefour hours that I was there.
00:41:51.665 --> 00:41:56.103
And I mean, you could see themuzzle fire from the weapons.
00:41:56.103 --> 00:41:59.273
And I had my M16pointed down the Hill,
00:41:59.273 --> 00:42:01.976
I didn't ever fire it becausethey were too far away.
00:42:01.976 --> 00:42:04.411
But I mean, I was inthe midst of fighting
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and Matt, you may have ahard time believing this,
00:42:07.514 --> 00:42:11.652
but I was so excited.
00:42:11.652 --> 00:42:13.887
I was just like, "OhJesus, this is awesome.
00:42:13.887 --> 00:42:16.590
"I could see youbefore the day is over.
00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:19.793
- My goodness.- And I was just praising God.
00:42:19.793 --> 00:42:22.329
I was having joy and peace,people dying all around me.
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And then I got to thinkingabout the Vietnamese,
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they don't know you.
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And I started prayingand interceding for them.
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And I mean, I had justan awesome experience
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with all of this stuffgoing on around me.
00:42:39.013 --> 00:42:40.381
And it was 20 years later
00:42:40.381 --> 00:42:42.149
reading it throughthe eyes of a person
00:42:42.149 --> 00:42:44.251
who wasn't a believer whowas going through that
00:42:44.251 --> 00:42:46.887
and he was talking about
00:42:46.887 --> 00:42:48.122
the absolute terrorthat gripped him.
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He talked about the smell.
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You could always smellthe Vietnamese coming
00:42:51.625 --> 00:42:53.727
'cause they ate somuch fish and stuff.
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And thinks that all of asudden I had a flashback
00:42:56.296 --> 00:42:59.933
and I saw it through theeyes of an unbeliever
00:42:59.933 --> 00:43:02.169
20 years later
00:43:02.169 --> 00:43:03.370
and I realized, man,if it wasn't for Jesus,
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I'd have been terrified.
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But this is whatknowing the Lord does.
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I faced death and man,I was actually excited.
00:43:09.877 --> 00:43:12.913
This is what Paul said.
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He says, I have a problem here.
00:43:14.581 --> 00:43:17.184
I have a desire to departand to be with the Lord,
00:43:17.184 --> 00:43:19.386
but it's more necessaryfor you that I stay here.
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And that's exactly what he said.
00:43:22.022 --> 00:43:24.191
And you can actuallyget to a place that
00:43:24.191 --> 00:43:26.527
it's just like you'rein a bubble that...
00:43:27.728 --> 00:43:30.297
Like, we just have been suedby the state of Colorado
00:43:30.297 --> 00:43:33.567
the last week.
00:43:33.567 --> 00:43:34.802
We've got peoplecoming against us,
00:43:34.802 --> 00:43:36.170
We had temporaryrestraining orders.
00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:38.338
I had the sheriff come outand it just doesn't matter.
00:43:38.338 --> 00:43:41.775
It's not that big of a deal.
00:43:41.775 --> 00:43:43.744
- Because of the COVID-19, yeah?
00:43:43.744 --> 00:43:45.546
- Because I violatedtheir restrictions
00:43:45.546 --> 00:43:47.581
and held a meeting and stuff.
00:43:47.581 --> 00:43:49.383
And I'm saying that whenyou know the Lord...
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Here's another example.
00:43:53.020 --> 00:43:54.288
I had people come up tome before and rebuke me
00:43:54.288 --> 00:43:56.757
and just tell me theydon't like what I'm saying
00:43:56.757 --> 00:43:59.126
and all kinds of stuff
00:43:59.126 --> 00:44:00.661
and because of myrelationship with the Lord.
00:44:00.661 --> 00:44:02.830
I told this one guy,
00:44:02.830 --> 00:44:04.098
I said, "Who diedand made you God."
00:44:04.098 --> 00:44:05.966
And he looked at me and hesays, "What do you mean?"
00:44:05.966 --> 00:44:08.135
And I said "You aren't God."
00:44:08.135 --> 00:44:10.204
I said, "God almighty loves me
00:44:10.204 --> 00:44:12.773
"He thinks I'm fine,
00:44:12.773 --> 00:44:13.907
"He carries mypicture in his wallet.
00:44:13.907 --> 00:44:15.776
"He's got an 8 by 10of me on his mantel.
00:44:15.776 --> 00:44:18.045
"Who are you?
00:44:18.045 --> 00:44:19.246
"I don't give a ripwhat you think."
00:44:19.246 --> 00:44:20.581
And this guy "Dowhat you should."
00:44:20.581 --> 00:44:22.049
And I said, "I don't."
00:44:22.049 --> 00:44:23.717
And it just gives youthat kind of an attitude
00:44:23.717 --> 00:44:26.186
that when you know thatGod Almighty loves you,
00:44:26.186 --> 00:44:28.388
it gives you a securityand a confidence
00:44:28.388 --> 00:44:31.024
that most people are missing.
00:44:31.024 --> 00:44:32.593
- Yeah.
00:44:32.593 --> 00:44:34.061
- So your sweet and spicyat the same time I see
00:44:34.061 --> 00:44:36.063
- [Laurie] I like it.
00:44:36.063 --> 00:44:37.231
- Okay, land thisplane here for us.
00:44:38.432 --> 00:44:42.636
Let's invite people
00:44:43.604 --> 00:44:45.906
to the place that we'retalking about here.
00:44:45.906 --> 00:44:48.242
Let's invite them, praywith them, pray for them.
00:44:48.242 --> 00:44:51.478
However you want tokind of end this.
00:44:51.478 --> 00:44:54.348
We're kind of out of time
00:44:54.348 --> 00:44:56.150
we've unpacked this quite a bit.
00:44:57.317 --> 00:44:59.686
And what you'rewanting to say, I think
00:44:59.686 --> 00:45:02.055
feels like what I heard.
00:45:02.923 --> 00:45:04.158
- (indistinct) saywhat he wants to say
00:45:04.158 --> 00:45:05.626
(Laurie laughing)
00:45:05.626 --> 00:45:06.560
- What I feel like I heard was
00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:09.663
there is a uniquenessto this life
00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:15.936
that God was yearning for.
00:45:17.638 --> 00:45:20.541
And because of Jesus,
00:45:20.541 --> 00:45:22.676
we can basically step into theplace that Adam and Eve held.
00:45:22.676 --> 00:45:27.481
- [Andrew] Absolutelyand actually better.
00:45:27.481 --> 00:45:30.517
- Okay, even better.
00:45:30.517 --> 00:45:31.518
Got it, I understand that.
00:45:31.518 --> 00:45:33.187
So we have this opportunityand we're kind of wasting it
00:45:33.187 --> 00:45:38.192
through worry, doubt, fears.
00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:42.796
- Perfect love cast out fear.
00:45:43.931 --> 00:45:45.999
If people knew howmuch God loved them,
00:45:45.999 --> 00:45:48.202
they wouldn't fear sickness,
00:45:48.202 --> 00:45:49.703
they wouldn't fear failure.
00:45:49.703 --> 00:45:51.004
- [Matt] There theyare right there.
00:45:51.004 --> 00:45:52.105
- They wouldn't fear, anything.
00:45:52.105 --> 00:45:55.676
I'm telling you thatGod's kind of love,
00:45:55.676 --> 00:45:57.678
once you understandhow much he loves you,
00:45:57.678 --> 00:45:59.680
it just changes everything.
00:45:59.680 --> 00:46:02.316
And so the very firststep I believe is
00:46:02.316 --> 00:46:04.218
you've got to even knowthat this is possible
00:46:04.218 --> 00:46:06.153
and that this is what God wants,
00:46:06.153 --> 00:46:07.754
that He didn't just saveyou out of obligation,
00:46:07.754 --> 00:46:10.057
He saved you because he lovesyou and he wants to know you.
00:46:10.057 --> 00:46:12.893
He wants to talkto you every day.
00:46:12.893 --> 00:46:15.896
He wants to hear aboutwhat's going on with you.
00:46:15.896 --> 00:46:18.866
And so if you just acknowledgethat, that is even true,
00:46:18.866 --> 00:46:22.669
that this is whateternal life is,
00:46:22.669 --> 00:46:24.304
that's the first step isjust taking away this barrier
00:46:24.304 --> 00:46:28.275
and saying, father Ibelieve that you do love me.
00:46:28.275 --> 00:46:31.144
And once you open up and askGod to reveal his love to you
00:46:31.144 --> 00:46:34.982
and to help you to receive it,
00:46:34.982 --> 00:46:37.517
and then to return itand minister back to Him,
00:46:37.517 --> 00:46:39.920
that's what the HolySpirit is sent for
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.555
is to glorify Jesus andto show you his love.
00:46:41.555 --> 00:46:45.492
And it'll all come to pass,
00:46:45.492 --> 00:46:46.960
but he doesn't force itupon you. Psalms 35:27 says,
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.265
"Let the Lord be magnified,
00:46:51.265 --> 00:46:53.367
"which has pleasure in theprosperity of His servant.
00:46:53.367 --> 00:46:55.869
He won't force it on you.
00:46:55.869 --> 00:46:57.437
He won't demand it.
00:46:58.839 --> 00:47:00.841
You have to reachout and receive it.
00:47:00.841 --> 00:47:03.343
So is it okay if I justpray with them right now?
00:47:03.343 --> 00:47:04.745
- Good absolutely.
00:47:04.745 --> 00:47:06.013
- Right now inthe name of Jesus,
00:47:06.013 --> 00:47:07.547
Father I'm justpraying for people
00:47:07.547 --> 00:47:09.216
who've watched this program
00:47:09.216 --> 00:47:10.717
who really haven't understoodthat you love them so much,
00:47:10.717 --> 00:47:14.621
that you want to fellowshipwith them, not just use them,
00:47:14.621 --> 00:47:19.459
but fellowship with them.
00:47:19.459 --> 00:47:21.295
And I'm asking thatthe Holy spirit
00:47:21.295 --> 00:47:22.930
would make this becomealive and real to them,
00:47:22.930 --> 00:47:26.400
that they would receive it.
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.468
I believe that rightnow wherever they are,
00:47:28.468 --> 00:47:30.470
you are touching people's lives
00:47:30.470 --> 00:47:32.005
and that this'll be a littleseed that we've planted,
00:47:32.005 --> 00:47:34.775
it will grow into amighty relationship
00:47:34.775 --> 00:47:37.477
between them and you.
00:47:37.477 --> 00:47:39.913
And Father, I thank you for that
00:47:39.913 --> 00:47:41.148
and we receive it inthe name of Jesus, amen.
00:47:41.148 --> 00:47:44.084
- You know what feels likewould be a final thing
00:47:44.084 --> 00:47:46.286
is if you took thatmoment in your life
00:47:46.286 --> 00:47:49.990
where you werewitnessing hardcore,
00:47:49.990 --> 00:47:52.960
you were doing a lot of works,
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.594
you were...
00:47:54.594 --> 00:47:56.129
You know you described itearlier in this broadcast
00:47:56.129 --> 00:47:58.732
that if you would havecontinued your works mentality,
00:47:58.732 --> 00:48:02.235
you would have burned out.
00:48:02.235 --> 00:48:03.470
You probably wouldhave burned out.
00:48:03.470 --> 00:48:05.172
Take us to that moment
00:48:06.073 --> 00:48:07.507
and give as anexclamation point.
00:48:07.507 --> 00:48:10.978
That moment when God showed you
00:48:10.978 --> 00:48:14.781
that it wasn't aboutall of that primarily,
00:48:14.781 --> 00:48:17.818
but it was about His love.
00:48:17.818 --> 00:48:19.953
Just kind of wrapwith that little
00:48:19.953 --> 00:48:22.556
minute or two testimonyof what happened.
00:48:22.556 --> 00:48:24.191
- Well, I was an18 year old in...
00:48:24.191 --> 00:48:26.626
I got born againwhen I was eight
00:48:26.626 --> 00:48:28.195
and I just was doingall of these things.
00:48:28.195 --> 00:48:30.497
- But, I was doingit out of debt,
00:48:31.298 --> 00:48:34.267
out of obligation.
00:48:34.267 --> 00:48:35.702
Hoping that I would do enough
00:48:35.702 --> 00:48:37.404
that God would answer my prayer.
00:48:37.404 --> 00:48:39.072
My dad died when I was 12.
00:48:39.072 --> 00:48:40.607
I spent six months fastingand praying for him
00:48:40.607 --> 00:48:43.377
before he died.
00:48:43.377 --> 00:48:44.811
And I just felt like, well,
00:48:44.811 --> 00:48:46.013
I didn't do enough.
00:48:46.013 --> 00:48:47.180
If I would do more,
00:48:47.180 --> 00:48:48.882
maybe something would happen.
00:48:48.882 --> 00:48:50.384
And so I was in the midst ofbeing like on a treadmill.
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We used to have this little poem
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we would give aboutMary had a little lamb.
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It would've been a sheep,
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but it joined the Baptist Church
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and died from lack of sleep.
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(all laughing)
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And that was so...
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We were just giving everythingwe had to this stuff.
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And so I was on this treadmill,
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but when the Lord showed up,
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what he first of all did
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showed me what a hypocrite I was
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because I wasn't doinga single thing for Him.
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I was doing it all for me.
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So that peoplecould give me credit
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So that I could feel like Godnow you got to move in my life
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and so I had to cometo the end of myself
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before I could evenunderstand God's kind of love.
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Because if you think God lovesyou based on your goodness,
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you don't understandGod's love at all.
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- At that time of your life,
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did you feel like, I fastedand prayed six months
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for my dad to live.
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So I must've needed topray or fast seven months,
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or eight months.
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It was never enough, right?
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- That's right.
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And if you're trying to dosomething to earn God's love
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you'll never do enough.
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Satan is the accuserof the brethren
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and he'll always find something.
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Something.
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- We've touched on this before,
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but it feels like there's many
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that feel like theywere in a movement
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in the body of Christ.
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Where somehow our prayerscomplete the work of the cross.
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We don't complete thework of the cross.
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- No.
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- It is finished.
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- Matter of fact, theonly thing we can do
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is get in the way ofthe work of the cross.
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- You're right.
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- That's much better said.
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So we are basically,
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this whole one hour
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has been really good stuff
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but I think thefinal little thought.
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Why don't you pray for somebody
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that has this,
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and you know, there's many.
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That I didn't do enough.
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My life is a mess becauseI did this or I did that,
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or I didn't do this, orI didn't do that right.
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And that's reallyfocusing on yourself.
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You know, grace, as the gospelof grace came into our lives,
00:51:07.821 --> 00:51:12.058
a number of years ago,
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it made you forgetabout yourself
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and go on and serve
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and be a part of God's love.
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And so you go and do whatGod's called you to do,
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because you can walkaway from yourself.
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There's a lot of peoplethat need to hear that.
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Why don't you pray thatover this audience?
00:51:28.842 --> 00:51:30.977
- Yeah.
00:51:30.977 --> 00:51:32.245
I remember the last timewe were here sitting out
00:51:32.245 --> 00:51:33.613
at the fire pitand Laurie was...
00:51:33.613 --> 00:51:35.749
I was talking about prayer.
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Better way to pray.
00:51:37.751 --> 00:51:39.252
And Laurie was relating thatsometimes you get to thinking,
00:51:39.252 --> 00:51:41.354
I've got to pray more inorder to be pleasing to God.
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And that's not whatit's all about.
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So father, I just degreewith Matt and Laurie
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.396
and all of these people
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and father, I'm asking you.
00:51:51.431 --> 00:51:53.233
I don't know how youreveal things to me,
00:51:53.233 --> 00:51:56.036
but I'm asking you throughthe power of the Holy spirit
00:51:56.036 --> 00:51:58.705
to just speak topeople right now
00:51:58.705 --> 00:52:01.508
and to get themout of themselves.
00:52:01.508 --> 00:52:03.677
Out of thinking that there'ssomething they can do
00:52:03.677 --> 00:52:05.812
to make themselves worthy.
00:52:05.812 --> 00:52:08.181
And father, let them just
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let you be glorified.
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Your goodness, insteadof their goodness.
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I pray against thatself-righteousness
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and that father, wewould humble ourselves
00:52:17.324 --> 00:52:19.326
and that we would justreceive this unconditional,
00:52:19.326 --> 00:52:22.362
unearned love of God.
00:52:22.362 --> 00:52:24.764
I release that towardspeople right now,
00:52:24.764 --> 00:52:27.667
wherever they are.
00:52:27.667 --> 00:52:29.269
And Holy spirit, Ijust depend upon you
00:52:29.269 --> 00:52:31.972
to speak to them andminister to them right now.
00:52:31.972 --> 00:52:35.242
And we agree, believe that thisis going to be the beginning
00:52:35.242 --> 00:52:38.278
of eternal life,experiencing you
00:52:38.278 --> 00:52:41.715
in a way that they'venever known before.
00:52:41.715 --> 00:52:44.050
And we agree and receivethat in the name of Jesus.
00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:47.420
Amen.
00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:48.955
- One of the ways that itfeels like we really prove
00:52:48.955 --> 00:52:51.591
that we understand this is,
00:52:51.591 --> 00:52:53.793
we're having thisdiscussion about God's love
00:52:53.793 --> 00:52:56.896
and we're all sitting here.
00:52:56.896 --> 00:52:58.632
You're, you've been suedby the state of Colorado.
00:52:58.632 --> 00:53:02.235
(Laurie laughing)
00:53:02.235 --> 00:53:03.503
- I'm not sure whetherwe should applaud you
00:53:03.503 --> 00:53:06.072
or you know.
00:53:06.072 --> 00:53:07.374
- Condemn me.
00:53:07.374 --> 00:53:08.475
(all laughing)
00:53:08.475 --> 00:53:09.309
- Or feel sorry for you.
00:53:09.309 --> 00:53:10.510
- I'm on the lamb.
00:53:10.510 --> 00:53:11.344
- You know, but,
00:53:11.344 --> 00:53:12.579
(laughing)
00:53:12.579 --> 00:53:14.281
And so,
00:53:14.281 --> 00:53:15.849
we're not sayingthere isn't drama
00:53:18.918 --> 00:53:21.321
going on there,
00:53:21.321 --> 00:53:22.255
but we've taken this one hour
00:53:22.255 --> 00:53:24.357
and focused on the mostimportant thing we can find.
00:53:24.357 --> 00:53:28.194
Your final thoughts onour subject as we go out.
00:53:28.194 --> 00:53:32.032
- Once you to understandhow much God loves you.
00:53:32.032 --> 00:53:34.567
It just really makes it to wherenothing else even compares.
00:53:34.567 --> 00:53:39.272
And so like I used examplesof people rejecting me,
00:53:39.272 --> 00:53:42.976
it's not like I enjoypeople rejecting me,
00:53:42.976 --> 00:53:45.412
but it doesn'tmatter once you...
00:53:45.412 --> 00:53:47.080
If you are experiencing God'sfavor, it doesn't matter.
00:53:47.080 --> 00:53:50.684
- Yeah.
00:53:50.684 --> 00:53:51.885
- Before Jamieand I got married,
00:53:51.885 --> 00:53:53.086
I used to worry aboutwhat other girls,
00:53:53.086 --> 00:53:54.287
you know, as a young kid.
00:53:54.287 --> 00:53:55.822
About whether they liked meor not and stuff like this.
00:53:55.822 --> 00:53:58.258
After I got married toJamie, I didn't care.
00:53:58.258 --> 00:54:01.328
I already had my mate.
00:54:01.328 --> 00:54:02.829
So I didn't care whetherthe other people liked me.
00:54:02.829 --> 00:54:05.498
If you are really experiencedin God's love for you,
00:54:05.498 --> 00:54:08.735
it'll set you free frombeing a man-pleaser.
00:54:08.735 --> 00:54:12.439
Fearful of man, fearof man has a snare,
00:54:12.439 --> 00:54:15.208
is what the scripturesays in Proverbs 29.
00:54:15.208 --> 00:54:17.811
And he just sets youfree in so many ways.
00:54:17.811 --> 00:54:20.480
- In the midst of lawsuits.
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:21.915
- Absolutely.
00:54:21.915 --> 00:54:22.716
(Laurie laughing)
00:54:22.716 --> 00:54:23.550
- You're all good.
00:54:23.550 --> 00:54:24.784
- And really just inthe last week or two,
00:54:24.784 --> 00:54:25.719
I've done this exact same thing.
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:27.153
Man, I've gone backand said father,
00:54:27.153 --> 00:54:28.688
am I doing whatyou want me to do?
00:54:28.688 --> 00:54:30.123
And he assures me thatI'm taking a stand.
00:54:30.123 --> 00:54:32.425
Somebody needs to stand up.
00:54:32.425 --> 00:54:34.594
So if, if God's pleasedwith me, it doesn't matter
00:54:34.594 --> 00:54:37.163
whether I win the publicopinion poll or not.
00:54:37.163 --> 00:54:39.866
- Amen.
00:54:39.866 --> 00:54:41.134
- I love it.
00:54:41.134 --> 00:54:41.968
- Amen.
00:54:41.968 --> 00:54:43.069
(Laurie laughing)
00:54:43.069 --> 00:54:44.270
You don't need toworry about it either.
00:54:44.270 --> 00:54:45.672
- Okay. We'll see you next time.
00:54:45.672 --> 00:54:48.007
(upbeat music)
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