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  • - [Andrew] I think thatsome people watching,
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  • they've missed outon this eternal life.
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  • - So we accepted a Jesus thatmeant everything at death,
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  • nothing at life.
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  • - He came to forgive us
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  • so that he couldhave a relationshipwith us in this life.
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  • - [Matt] There is auniqueness to this life
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  • that God was yearning for.
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  • - This is what eternal life is.
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  • That's the first step isjust taking away this barrier
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  • and saying, "Father, Ibelieve that you do love me."
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  • - [Matt] So we're gonnadiscuss eternal life.
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  • - [Laurie] Love it.
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  • - [Announcer] Tonight on Praise,
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  • from Colorado, you've seenhim on Gospel Truth on TBN.
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  • Founder of Charis Bible Collegean author, Andrew Wommack.
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  • And now, Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • - Welcome to Colorado.
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  • We're here in the barnwith Andrew Wommack.
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  • Come on upstairs.
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  • Andrew, we're gonna be talking
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  • about somethingkind of important.
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  • It's time to discuss some thingsthat aren't about politics,
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  • that aren't about pandemics.
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  • Let's kinda zoom aboveall of that stuff,
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  • and let's go to somethingsuper important, okay?
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  • You said, "eternal life".- Yup.
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  • - What are we gonna bediscussing about eternal life?
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  • That's a big subject.
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  • - Well, let me take the mostfamiliar passage in the Bible,
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  • John 3:16.
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  • "God so loved the world thathe gave his only begotten son
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  • "that whosoever believesin him would not perish
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  • "but have everlasting life."
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  • And the church, forwhatever reason,
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  • has just totallychanged the emphasis
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  • that God gave His son sothat people wouldn't perish.
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  • But they've left outeverlasting life.
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  • And I think it's because theythink that everlasting life
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  • is talking about living forever,
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  • but everybody lives forever.
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  • Hitler is still alive.
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  • I mean his body's dead, buteverybody lives forever.
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  • And so some people will say,
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  • "Well, it's living foreverin eternity with God
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  • instead of living in hell."
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  • But John 6:47,
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  • "Verily, verily, I say unto you,
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  • he, that believeth on mehath everlasting life."
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  • So everlasting lifeisn't something
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  • that starts when you die,
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  • it is a present tense possession
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  • for every single persononce you believe,
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  • and over here in John 17:3,
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  • Jesus is called theauthor of eternal life.
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  • And he said in verse three,
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  • "This is life eternal."
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  • It's just like,
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  • if you were looking up ina dictionary or something,
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  • a Bible dictionary,what is life eternal?
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  • It says, "That they mightknow thee the only true God,
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  • and Jesus Christ,whom thou hast sent."
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  • So putting allthis back together,
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  • the reason that Jesus diedwasn't to forgive our sins.
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  • Now, hold on, so thatthey don't think,
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  • - Oh man!
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  • - So they don'tthink I'm a heritage.
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  • - Wow.
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  • - That wasn't the goal toget your sins forgiven.
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  • But it was to comeinto everlasting life,
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  • which Jesus describedas knowing God,
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  • the father and Jesus Christ.
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  • And of course the Bible,when it uses the word, know
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  • is talking about morethan intellectual.
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  • It's like, a man knows his wife
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  • and that she conceivesand has a child.
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  • So this is talking about anintimate relationship with God.
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  • And that's what Jesus came todo was to give us an intimate
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  • relationship withGod in this life.
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  • Not just in eternity.
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  • And so let me say it this way,
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  • that if all you did was believeso that you get your sins
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  • forgiven and youaren't going to perish,
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  • but if you aren't having anintimate relationship with God,
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  • you're missing thepurpose of salvation.
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  • And that is not beingproclaimed today.
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  • - Wow.
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  • - So grandma, if you fainted,
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  • we're gonna give youa second to wake up
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  • and come back to us.
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  • - I had just read Loises's book.
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  • And she said, "Whenyou receive Christ,
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  • your eternal life starts then."
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  • It's not when we dieand go to heaven.
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  • - That's true.- Yeah.
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  • - It starts...
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  • - That's what thisbraces are saying,
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  • if you believe on the Lord,
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  • you have eternal life.
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  • It's not somethingthat's future tense.
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  • It's not when weall get to heaven,
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  • it's, in the sweet, by and by
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  • it's in the rough now and now.
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  • - And its that know God now.
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  • - Yes, but it's talking abouta quality of relationship.
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  • In other words, notjust a mental knowledge,
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  • let me rephrase itand say it this way.
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  • That sin was a barrier thatstood between us and God,
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  • Isaiah chapter 59,
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  • "His hand didn'tshorten it cannot save
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  • nor His ear heavythat he cannot hear,
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  • but your iniquitieshave separated
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  • between you and your God".
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  • So sin was like a barrierthat stood between us and God.
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  • And so Jesus did comeand die for our sins
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  • and remove the barrier,
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  • and one of the benefits ofthat is we get to go to heaven
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  • and live forever with Jesus.
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  • So that's wonderful.
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  • But the reason He removed thebarrier was so that we could
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  • enter into this relationshipwith God and sad to say,
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  • I think that most Christianshave not taken advantage of
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  • eternal life or asthe Bible defines it,
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  • knowing God in an intimate way,
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  • the goal is to getyour sins forgiven
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  • so that you don't go to hell.
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  • And you know, the Bible saysthat faith comes by hearing
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  • and hearing by the word of God.
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  • And so if all you'redoing is saying,
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  • "Jesus died for your sins,
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  • So you can go to heaveninstead of going to hell."
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  • then that's allyou got faith for.
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  • So in order to,
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  • for people to understand thatGod even wants to have an
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  • intimate relationship with them.
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  • This is not something that'sbeen widely proclaimed.
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  • And because of it, peopledon't have any faith.
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  • - So people Probablyjust want to be to,
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  • to make sure thattheir sins are forgiven
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  • and don't wanna work on the,
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  • the everlasting life onthe eternal life on that
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  • relationship because it's work.
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  • - I think that if any, if peopleknew that it was available,
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  • I don't know whyanybody wouldn't wantto have an intimate
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  • relationship with God,but it's not presented.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - I don't know exactlyhow you guys grew up.
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  • Of course, I knew Paul andJan through television,
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  • but the way I grewup, it was like you,
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  • the only reason youwere saved was so that
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  • you could do a workfor God so that you
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  • could lead somebodyelse to the Lord.
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  • And I actuallyheard it said that
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  • the only justificationfor your existence
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  • is to lead somebodyelse to the Lord.
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  • If all God wantedto do is bless you.
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  • He'd take you to heaven.
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  • That's where you'regonna be really blessed.
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  • So the only reasonyou're still here
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  • is to do a work for God.
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  • We were human doings,not human beings.
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  • - My goodness.
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  • - Going to the ministry.
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  • - And we had the song, about,
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  • I was born to serve the Lord.
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  • My eyes are madeto read your word.
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  • My feet were made towalk in your path.
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  • I was born to serve the Lord.
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  • And there's a truth to that.
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  • But at the same time, Godwanted relationship with us.
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  • You can take the verse in
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  • Revelation chapterfour verse 11.
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  • And this is talkingabout what's going on
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  • on heaven right now.
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  • And the 24 eldersare worshiping God,
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  • the living creatures andthose living creatures are
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  • constantly saying,they're falling down
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  • and saying, "For youare worthy because
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  • for, for your pleasure,
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  • all things areand were created."
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  • The way that stated shows
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  • you that the originalpurpose of God creating
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  • everything was for his pleasure
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  • and still that's the region.
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  • That's the purpose.
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  • A lot of things have changed.
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  • Like government was neverreally a part of God's system.
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  • If people werestill in perfection,
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  • you wouldn't need governments.
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  • You wouldn't need laws.
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  • You wouldn't need somuch that we have.
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  • But originally His purposewas for Adam and Eve.
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  • And I've taken this thing,
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  • that people said you were,
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  • the only purposefor you being here
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  • is to lead somebodyelse to the Lord.
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  • Or to do something.
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  • Or again, don't think grandma,
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  • like you're saying,
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  • but intercessors as much asI believe in intercession,
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  • did you know that wasn't apart of the original purpose?
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  • I mean, Adam and Eve,what did they do when
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  • they met with God inthe cool the evening?
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  • - They didn't haveany sins to confess.
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  • They didn't haveanything to ask for,
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  • they didn't need clothes.
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  • They had all the food they need,
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  • the climate was perfect,
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  • there was no politicalstuff to the deal with.
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  • - And that's heaven (laughing).
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  • - And so what do you do
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  • when you're fellowshippingwith the Lord,
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  • and you don't haveany sins to repent,
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  • and there's nothing?
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  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
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  • - I believe that they were justfellowshipping with the Lord
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  • and God as Father, it'sjust like our kids,
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  • you wanna hear what yourkids did during the day.
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  • And it may not be earth shaking,
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  • they may not havechanged anybody's life,
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  • but you're just interested.
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  • Did they go fishing?
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  • Did they do somethingwith their friends?
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  • And you're just wantingto hear what's gone on.
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  • - Okay, let meinterject and make sure
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  • I'm hearing what you're saying.
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  • First of all, I lovediscussions with you
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  • because I love theselittle atom bombs
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  • you drop every once in a while,
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  • and then have tokinda clean up later.
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  • Is it just awesome?- To get people's attention.
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  • - I love it.
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  • So let me just saythat it feels like
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  • you described your upbringing.
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  • Our upbringing wassomewhat that Israel
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  • became a nation in 1948.
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  • So now all that needs tohappen is this finish line
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  • is in view and all we do is work
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  • for the purpose ofsoul, soul, souls.
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  • Okay and there'snothing wrong with that.
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  • And that was a hugeemphasis and all of that.
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  • But six months beforemy dad passed away,
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  • my dad told us ina private setting,
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  • he said somethingto the effect of,
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  • "My first questionto the Lord is,
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  • "why aren't you back yet?"
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  • We thought we had thetiming figured out.
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  • We thought we had thiskind of 2000 years
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  • and dispensationaltheology and all that.
  • 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.322
  • So there was this kind of 1159and counting kind of thing
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  • that we all...
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  • I never thought I'd getold enough to get married.
  • 00:10:41.664 --> 00:10:44.633
  • We virtually ran down the aisleto get married thinking...
  • 00:10:44.633 --> 00:10:48.137
  • And then we thoughtwe'd never have kids,
  • 00:10:48.137 --> 00:10:50.039
  • and now we never thoughtwe'd see our kids married.
  • 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.242
  • So you understand that we hadthis really timing mechanism
  • 00:10:53.242 --> 00:10:58.047
  • and it was really about,
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  • "Friend, you don'twanna go to hell,
  • 00:11:00.549 --> 00:11:03.385
  • "your grandma toldyou it's real.
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  • "You don't want to go there,
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  • "pray this prayer and youwon't go to hell when you die."
  • 00:11:06.555 --> 00:11:09.325
  • So we accepted a Jesus thatmeant everything at death,
  • 00:11:09.325 --> 00:11:12.795
  • nothing at life.
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  • So are you describingthe difference now?
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  • And in turn, you'reputting a term eternal life
  • 00:11:18.400 --> 00:11:21.537
  • on this acceptance of Jesusand what it means for today.
  • 00:11:21.537 --> 00:11:26.475
  • - Absolutely.
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  • Salvation is theforgiveness of your sins,
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  • which includeshealing, deliverance,
  • 00:11:31.347 --> 00:11:34.717
  • and so many other thingsthat people haven't gotten,
  • 00:11:34.717 --> 00:11:37.520
  • but it is specificallyknowing God in an intimate,
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  • close, personal way and that'swhat Christians are missing.
  • 00:11:41.857 --> 00:11:45.528
  • And Matt and Laurie,let me just say,
  • 00:11:45.528 --> 00:11:46.796
  • I'm not gonna get into politics,
  • 00:11:46.796 --> 00:11:48.430
  • but the reason we're seeingso much weirdness today,
  • 00:11:48.430 --> 00:11:52.034
  • even by Christians isbecause they've never
  • 00:11:52.034 --> 00:11:54.470
  • been taught the word, theydon't know what the word says
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  • about all of these basic things.
  • 00:11:57.907 --> 00:11:59.708
  • It's all about just get saved
  • 00:11:59.708 --> 00:12:01.844
  • and so that you'll go to heaven.
  • 00:12:01.844 --> 00:12:03.679
  • And yet Jesus, the lastinstruction he gave, he says,
  • 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.515
  • "Go into all the worldand, and make disciples."
  • 00:12:06.515 --> 00:12:10.586
  • Not make converts.
  • 00:12:10.586 --> 00:12:12.188
  • We've been making converts.
  • 00:12:12.188 --> 00:12:14.657
  • And one of the thingsthat I've said a lot,
  • 00:12:14.657 --> 00:12:18.427
  • I started out just like you.
  • 00:12:18.427 --> 00:12:20.162
  • And I remember they said thatthe Dallas Fort Worth Airport
  • 00:12:20.162 --> 00:12:23.032
  • would be finished in 1973.
  • 00:12:23.032 --> 00:12:25.000
  • And I used to laugh and say,
  • 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:26.268
  • "Man, we'll be gonelong before 1973."
  • 00:12:26.268 --> 00:12:28.838
  • - (clapping) Oh my God!
  • 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.473
  • I've had to redo therunways a couple of times
  • 00:12:31.473 --> 00:12:32.875
  • since then (laughing).
  • 00:12:32.875 --> 00:12:34.376
  • - I have predicted it and mensince then I quit predicting
  • 00:12:34.376 --> 00:12:37.112
  • 'cause I missed it big time.
  • 00:12:37.112 --> 00:12:38.914
  • But anyway, I was expecting,everything to be over with
  • 00:12:38.914 --> 00:12:43.919
  • but I had thisexperience in 1968
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  • where God revealed himselfto me in his glory.
  • 00:12:48.557 --> 00:12:52.728
  • And I saw my relativeunworthiness.
  • 00:12:52.728 --> 00:12:54.997
  • And when I saw that I was...
  • 00:12:54.997 --> 00:12:56.332
  • I thought he hadtotally reject me.
  • 00:12:56.332 --> 00:12:58.267
  • And it was just the opposite.
  • 00:12:58.267 --> 00:13:00.002
  • Once I finally cameto the end of myself,
  • 00:13:00.002 --> 00:13:01.971
  • he showed me howmuch he loved me.
  • 00:13:01.971 --> 00:13:03.739
  • - My goodness.
  • 00:13:03.739 --> 00:13:05.007
  • - And I just fell inlove with the Lord.
  • 00:13:05.007 --> 00:13:07.176
  • And so I started offbeing evangelistic
  • 00:13:07.176 --> 00:13:10.079
  • and I was knocking ona hundred doors a day
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  • and doing all thesekinds of things.
  • 00:13:11.947 --> 00:13:13.449
  • And then God redirectedme over a period of years,
  • 00:13:13.449 --> 00:13:16.685
  • but showed me that I wasgiven to the body of Christ
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  • as a teacher to try andget people to live up
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  • to their full potential.
  • 00:13:23.459 --> 00:13:25.194
  • And that I see a lotof people born again,
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  • some through mypersonal ministry,
  • 00:13:28.130 --> 00:13:29.999
  • but most of it is throughthe people I minister to,
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  • they become disciples.
  • 00:13:32.568 --> 00:13:33.769
  • - Okay, you justsaid full potential,
  • 00:13:33.769 --> 00:13:35.771
  • and we're discussing whatfollowing Jesus means today.
  • 00:13:35.771 --> 00:13:40.743
  • So break it downfor me this way,
  • 00:13:40.743 --> 00:13:44.546
  • describe a typicalChristian's life or mentality,
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  • knowing that theyhave accepted Jesus
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  • and he means something at death
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  • and somebody thatfully understands.
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  • Start giving us thedifference of what somebody
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  • might be missing outon instead of this,
  • 00:14:02.564 --> 00:14:06.769
  • because I could sit hereand if there's a critic
  • 00:14:06.769 --> 00:14:09.738
  • in the audience, and I'mnot saying I'm the critic,
  • 00:14:09.738 --> 00:14:11.707
  • but I'll speak on theirbehalf for a moment.
  • 00:14:11.707 --> 00:14:13.809
  • - Oh, play the critic,would you just-
  • 00:14:13.809 --> 00:14:15.010
  • - I just don't wantanyone to think
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  • that what you'rethinking is that,
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  • we should all just sit here anddo smores and sing "Kumbaya"
  • 00:14:18.147 --> 00:14:23.018
  • around a fire and plucka harp and daydream.
  • 00:14:23.018 --> 00:14:27.756
  • You're not really talking about-
  • 00:14:27.756 --> 00:14:29.425
  • - Now, when a person fallsin love with the Lord,
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  • like just take my ownpersonal experience.
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  • I got born againwhen I was eight,
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  • I was leading people to the Lord
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  • by the time I was a teenager,three and four people a week,
  • 00:14:37.566 --> 00:14:40.703
  • quote unquote, having thempray a prayer after me.
  • 00:14:40.703 --> 00:14:43.205
  • I don't know if theytruly got born again,
  • 00:14:43.205 --> 00:14:44.974
  • but I could get themto pray a prayer.
  • 00:14:44.974 --> 00:14:47.276
  • I could tell them, "Doyou want to go to hell?"
  • 00:14:47.276 --> 00:14:48.811
  • And they say, no.
  • 00:14:48.811 --> 00:14:49.812
  • I say, "Well, pray this prayer."
  • 00:14:49.812 --> 00:14:51.246
  • So I come back with their scalp,
  • 00:14:51.246 --> 00:14:53.415
  • and I'd claimed that I had ledso many people to the Lord.
  • 00:14:53.415 --> 00:14:56.819
  • (Laurie laughing)
  • 00:14:56.819 --> 00:14:57.987
  • So I was goingthrough the motions.
  • 00:14:57.987 --> 00:14:59.355
  • But when I had this experience
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  • and I found out howmuch God loved me,
  • 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:03.826
  • I used to go make maybe fouror five visits on Tuesday night
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  • and Thursday nights.
  • 00:15:09.732 --> 00:15:11.033
  • And I started youth visitation
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  • and I did all of these things.
  • 00:15:12.835 --> 00:15:14.703
  • When I found out howmuch God loved me
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  • and I experienced this andwhat Jesus called eternal life,
  • 00:15:17.172 --> 00:15:21.844
  • I quit going out on Tuesdayand Thursday night visitations
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  • because I was witnessingto everything that moved.
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  • I was talking to ahundred people a day
  • 00:15:28.017 --> 00:15:30.753
  • instead of four or fivepeople, two nights a week.
  • 00:15:30.753 --> 00:15:33.989
  • And I startedwitnessing to everybody.
  • 00:15:33.989 --> 00:15:36.625
  • So what I'm saying isthat when you understand
  • 00:15:36.625 --> 00:15:39.028
  • how much God loves you,
  • 00:15:39.028 --> 00:15:41.330
  • you will do more accidentallythan you ever did on purpose
  • 00:15:41.330 --> 00:15:45.734
  • out of works and out of effort.
  • 00:15:45.734 --> 00:15:48.704
  • The reason I wasknocking on doors
  • 00:15:48.704 --> 00:15:50.606
  • was because I was told...
  • 00:15:50.606 --> 00:15:52.141
  • We used to sing these songsin the Baptist church about,
  • 00:15:52.141 --> 00:15:54.510
  • will there be any stars,any stars in my crown
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  • when at evening atlast I lay down.
  • 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.415
  • Must I go in empty handed?
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  • Must I meet my savior so?
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  • And you know why thosesongs motivates you?
  • 00:16:02.918 --> 00:16:05.821
  • Because it's you.
  • 00:16:05.821 --> 00:16:07.289
  • You're thinking, "I don'twanna be embarrassed.
  • 00:16:07.289 --> 00:16:08.991
  • "I don't want to be rejected."
  • 00:16:08.991 --> 00:16:10.926
  • It's not love for theLord or love for people,
  • 00:16:10.926 --> 00:16:13.762
  • it's self-love.
  • 00:16:13.762 --> 00:16:15.631
  • But when I found outhow much God loved me,
  • 00:16:15.631 --> 00:16:18.434
  • man, I just got sofired up that I threw...
  • 00:16:18.434 --> 00:16:21.070
  • I quit taking count and Ididn't come back on Sunday
  • 00:16:21.070 --> 00:16:24.206
  • and tell him how manypeople I had prayed with,
  • 00:16:24.206 --> 00:16:26.341
  • I didn't care aboutwhether anybody knew.
  • 00:16:26.341 --> 00:16:28.477
  • I was concerned about them.
  • 00:16:28.477 --> 00:16:30.612
  • And this is...
  • 00:16:30.612 --> 00:16:31.580
  • I think, why a lot of Christians
  • 00:16:31.580 --> 00:16:33.449
  • ring hollow whenthey come across
  • 00:16:33.449 --> 00:16:35.684
  • and start proclaiming topeople that you need Jesus,
  • 00:16:35.684 --> 00:16:39.121
  • because they're reallydoing it for themselves,
  • 00:16:39.121 --> 00:16:41.857
  • not for that person, theyaren't doing it out of love.
  • 00:16:41.857 --> 00:16:44.126
  • - Whenever you talked outto people feeling guilty-
  • 00:16:44.126 --> 00:16:47.162
  • - Absolutely.- That they're not.
  • 00:16:47.162 --> 00:16:48.464
  • So that I thinkthat guilt was put.
  • 00:16:48.464 --> 00:16:50.899
  • - Human nature says, "Ihave to do something."
  • 00:16:50.899 --> 00:16:53.335
  • - That's right.
  • 00:16:53.335 --> 00:16:54.770
  • - Surely this can't be afree gift like we're hearing.
  • 00:16:54.770 --> 00:16:57.272
  • - Okay, I remember andI won't say who it is,
  • 00:16:57.272 --> 00:16:58.807
  • because we all love him dearly.
  • 00:16:58.807 --> 00:17:00.008
  • - Oh say it, go ahead.- Okay, your dad.
  • 00:17:00.008 --> 00:17:01.477
  • - Okay.
  • 00:17:01.477 --> 00:17:03.112
  • - He said to me one dayand I'll never forget it,
  • 00:17:03.112 --> 00:17:05.781
  • because he was talkingabout the sin of omission
  • 00:17:05.781 --> 00:17:08.917
  • and was talking aboutdifferent sins and stuff.
  • 00:17:08.917 --> 00:17:13.856
  • And then he said,
  • 00:17:13.856 --> 00:17:14.857
  • "Honey, did you witness to thelady doing your nails today?"
  • 00:17:16.325 --> 00:17:20.762
  • Now this is 35 years ago.
  • 00:17:20.762 --> 00:17:22.764
  • And it made me feelguilty because I thought,
  • 00:17:24.133 --> 00:17:28.704
  • "No, I didn't."
  • 00:17:28.704 --> 00:17:30.005
  • But my lifestyle andmy love hopefully
  • 00:17:30.005 --> 00:17:34.209
  • is speaking louder thanwords could ever say.
  • 00:17:35.377 --> 00:17:38.413
  • And that's the way I felt
  • 00:17:38.413 --> 00:17:40.782
  • when there was a littleguilt attached to his words.
  • 00:17:40.782 --> 00:17:43.852
  • - There's no doubt thatpeople like your dad,
  • 00:17:43.852 --> 00:17:46.355
  • God used themtremendously of course
  • 00:17:46.355 --> 00:17:48.257
  • for TBN and everything.- Oh yes.
  • 00:17:48.257 --> 00:17:49.892
  • - And people likethat, God uses them.
  • 00:17:49.892 --> 00:17:52.794
  • But evangelism really oughtto be more of an outgrowth
  • 00:17:52.794 --> 00:17:57.799
  • of our life than going upto a person on the street
  • 00:17:59.268 --> 00:18:00.903
  • and saying "Repent or else,turn or burn (chuckling).
  • 00:18:00.903 --> 00:18:04.406
  • I used to have atrack that actually
  • 00:18:04.406 --> 00:18:05.807
  • said that on it.(Laurie laughing)
  • 00:18:05.807 --> 00:18:07.309
  • And I had another trackI printed up that says,
  • 00:18:07.309 --> 00:18:09.278
  • "What you must doto go to hell."
  • 00:18:09.278 --> 00:18:11.346
  • And you open it up andit was totally blank,
  • 00:18:11.346 --> 00:18:13.949
  • and you turned it over and itsays, "That's right, nothing."
  • 00:18:13.949 --> 00:18:16.185
  • Because you're alreadyheaded to hell.
  • 00:18:16.185 --> 00:18:18.153
  • (group laughing)
  • 00:18:18.153 --> 00:18:20.422
  • - I remember the time Mattpainted with no polish
  • 00:18:20.422 --> 00:18:24.493
  • on a big turtle wefound at the Lake
  • 00:18:24.493 --> 00:18:26.261
  • during a birthday (laughing).
  • 00:18:26.261 --> 00:18:27.696
  • - It was a joke.(Laurie laughing)
  • 00:18:28.931 --> 00:18:30.766
  • - Prepared. (laughing)
  • 00:18:31.700 --> 00:18:32.935
  • - But you know, my ownpersonal experience is,
  • 00:18:32.935 --> 00:18:35.003
  • I was going through the motions
  • 00:18:35.003 --> 00:18:37.206
  • and I was doing betterthan anybody I knew.
  • 00:18:37.206 --> 00:18:39.274
  • I was leading morepeople to the Lord
  • 00:18:39.274 --> 00:18:40.943
  • per week than the pastor
  • 00:18:40.943 --> 00:18:43.011
  • but it was not,it weren't joyful.
  • 00:18:43.011 --> 00:18:46.415
  • I was worn out.
  • 00:18:46.415 --> 00:18:47.883
  • I believe I'd burned out withina very short period of time
  • 00:18:47.883 --> 00:18:50.652
  • if God hadn't touched me.
  • 00:18:50.652 --> 00:18:52.254
  • And I'm not sure thatany of the people
  • 00:18:52.254 --> 00:18:54.156
  • I was leading to theLord were truly saved.
  • 00:18:54.156 --> 00:18:56.191
  • I don't know, but Iwas doing those things.
  • 00:18:56.191 --> 00:18:59.661
  • But when I experiencedeternal life,
  • 00:18:59.661 --> 00:19:02.097
  • when I experienced God'slove, I just came on fire
  • 00:19:02.097 --> 00:19:07.102
  • and I witnessed tomultiple times more people.
  • 00:19:07.236 --> 00:19:11.440
  • Matter of fact I actuallymade a commitment one time,
  • 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.809
  • which was wrong and itwas ignorant on my part,
  • 00:19:13.809 --> 00:19:16.812
  • but I made a commitmentI'd never see a person
  • 00:19:16.812 --> 00:19:19.281
  • that I wouldn't talkto them about the Lord.
  • 00:19:19.281 --> 00:19:21.450
  • And I'd kept it tothe best of my ability
  • 00:19:21.450 --> 00:19:23.852
  • until I was drafted andstanding at attention
  • 00:19:23.852 --> 00:19:26.321
  • and seeing a 1.000people walk by.
  • 00:19:26.321 --> 00:19:28.390
  • I thought, how amI gonna do this?
  • 00:19:28.390 --> 00:19:30.058
  • And I finally had to realizethat's just impossible.
  • 00:19:30.058 --> 00:19:33.362
  • But I gave it a college try.
  • 00:19:33.362 --> 00:19:35.364
  • And when I fell inlove with the Lord,
  • 00:19:35.364 --> 00:19:38.300
  • I was much more effectiveministering to people
  • 00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:42.638
  • than I was when I wasdoing it for myself
  • 00:19:42.638 --> 00:19:44.806
  • and doing it out of guilt,like what you're saying.
  • 00:19:44.806 --> 00:19:47.376
  • And so it just totallytransformed my life.
  • 00:19:47.376 --> 00:19:49.978
  • - So are we edging towardsand make sure you circle back
  • 00:19:49.978 --> 00:19:54.983
  • because I left you on acloud, strumming a harp.
  • 00:19:56.285 --> 00:20:00.489
  • Okay I wanna make sure thatwe aren't talking about
  • 00:20:00.489 --> 00:20:05.193
  • eternal life is somethingyou just sit and think about.
  • 00:20:05.193 --> 00:20:08.697
  • What are we wanting to drawpeople into an understanding of?
  • 00:20:08.697 --> 00:20:13.702
  • - I don't personally relateto what you're saying
  • 00:20:15.570 --> 00:20:18.307
  • because if you fallin love with the Lord
  • 00:20:18.307 --> 00:20:22.277
  • how can you not tellpeople about him?
  • 00:20:22.277 --> 00:20:25.747
  • And how can younot read his word?
  • 00:20:25.747 --> 00:20:27.683
  • And how can you not standfor Godly principles?
  • 00:20:27.683 --> 00:20:31.553
  • It's people that don't havethis intimate relationship
  • 00:20:31.553 --> 00:20:34.823
  • with the Lord thatare doing nothing.
  • 00:20:34.823 --> 00:20:37.559
  • The people that are onfire with the love of God
  • 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.295
  • those are the ones there areout making the difference.
  • 00:20:40.295 --> 00:20:42.431
  • - Then what we're talkingabout is almost a era
  • 00:20:42.431 --> 00:20:47.302
  • that we seem to bein where a message
  • 00:20:48.870 --> 00:20:51.907
  • of the gospel of grace is beingpreached and not of works.
  • 00:20:51.907 --> 00:20:56.912
  • So are you-
  • 00:20:57.512 --> 00:20:59.014
  • - Well again, there's somuch confusion over terms
  • 00:20:59.014 --> 00:21:01.450
  • but I've got people that saythat they're preaching grace
  • 00:21:01.450 --> 00:21:04.186
  • but man, it's justless seriousness.
  • 00:21:04.186 --> 00:21:06.455
  • It's an excuse forthem to live in sin,
  • 00:21:06.455 --> 00:21:09.124
  • which I believe I'mone of the strongest
  • 00:21:09.124 --> 00:21:12.861
  • grace preachers there is
  • 00:21:12.861 --> 00:21:14.396
  • but I've got peoplethat I led into grace
  • 00:21:14.396 --> 00:21:16.498
  • that are now callingme a legalist
  • 00:21:16.498 --> 00:21:17.999
  • because I still believeyou ought to love your wife
  • 00:21:17.999 --> 00:21:20.469
  • and stay married to one womanand not have a relationship.
  • 00:21:20.469 --> 00:21:23.105
  • - Well then I'm a legalist.
  • 00:21:23.105 --> 00:21:25.407
  • - But really there'sa lot of people
  • 00:21:25.407 --> 00:21:26.942
  • that now are callingthemselves grace
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  • that there's one guyI've ministered with.
  • 00:21:28.677 --> 00:21:31.046
  • He says, "It's onlyyour flesh that can sin,
  • 00:21:31.046 --> 00:21:33.982
  • not your Spirit, theSpirit's the real you.
  • 00:21:33.982 --> 00:21:36.251
  • And so it really don'tmatter what your flesh does."
  • 00:21:36.251 --> 00:21:38.687
  • I've actually hearda guy teach that.
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  • - Well, if you punch acop, you might go to jail.
  • 00:21:40.155 --> 00:21:42.691
  • So there are some consequences
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  • involved in some things.
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  • - Don't believe that.
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  • - And if you failin your marriage,
  • 00:21:47.462 --> 00:21:50.132
  • you might getpunched by your wife.
  • 00:21:50.132 --> 00:21:51.900
  • Okay, you might.
  • 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:54.302
  • - There is a big possibility.
  • 00:21:54.302 --> 00:21:56.004
  • - So why don't youbreak that down?
  • 00:21:56.004 --> 00:22:00.041
  • Because somebody could betuning in, first of all welcome.
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  • You're in The Barn here inColorado with Andrew Womack.
  • 00:22:03.979 --> 00:22:08.183
  • We're in the middle ofkind of a Bible study
  • 00:22:08.183 --> 00:22:10.886
  • kind of feeling moment here.
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  • We're talking about eternal life
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  • and you're defining eternallife as present day.
  • 00:22:14.890 --> 00:22:19.227
  • And that there issuch a beautiful thing
  • 00:22:19.227 --> 00:22:24.232
  • called the love of God thatcan infiltrate your life.
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  • That it changesyou dramatically.
  • 00:22:29.671 --> 00:22:31.873
  • Most people aren't getting toexperience that because, why?
  • 00:22:31.873 --> 00:22:36.711
  • - Because first of allthey don't even know
  • 00:22:36.711 --> 00:22:38.547
  • that that's what God wants.
  • 00:22:38.547 --> 00:22:40.148
  • They think that hepitied us, he forgave us
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  • because he's responsiblefor creating us.
  • 00:22:43.418 --> 00:22:45.854
  • And so therefore hehas some responsibility
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  • for the whole mess.
  • 00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:49.491
  • So Jesus died for usand forgave our sins
  • 00:22:49.491 --> 00:22:52.360
  • so that we could go to heaven.
  • 00:22:52.360 --> 00:22:53.995
  • But they don't understandthat eternal life
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  • is something that is far as now.
  • 00:22:56.665 --> 00:22:58.366
  • And God wants tofellowship with us.
  • 00:22:58.366 --> 00:23:00.702
  • God loves us.
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  • God inhabits thepraises of his people,
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  • is what it says in Psalms 22:3.
  • 00:23:04.840 --> 00:23:07.542
  • And you know, Jesus quotedthat first verse and said,
  • 00:23:07.542 --> 00:23:09.845
  • "My God, my God whyhast thou forsaken me."
  • 00:23:09.845 --> 00:23:13.014
  • But then the third versetells you why he was forsaken,
  • 00:23:13.014 --> 00:23:15.650
  • because God is Holy.
  • 00:23:15.650 --> 00:23:17.419
  • And he inhabits the praises
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  • of his people inJesus became sin.
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  • He became what I wasand took all of my sin.
  • 00:23:21.089 --> 00:23:24.459
  • But God inhabits our praises.
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  • God loves us.
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  • Lemme give you anexample that Jamie and I,
  • 00:23:29.197 --> 00:23:32.200
  • our kids when theywere like, I don't know
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  • seven and five or something,they were real young.
  • 00:23:34.336 --> 00:23:36.872
  • We took them outand let them take
  • 00:23:36.872 --> 00:23:39.007
  • one of the neighborhoodkids with them.
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  • And I took them out,Jamie stayed home.
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  • And I went and we rodehorses all day long.
  • 00:23:43.945 --> 00:23:47.048
  • We played in the creek,we dammed up the creek,
  • 00:23:47.048 --> 00:23:49.451
  • we got dirty, we ate junk food.
  • 00:23:49.451 --> 00:23:51.853
  • We did everything thatif Jamie was with us
  • 00:23:51.853 --> 00:23:54.155
  • she wouldn't havenecessarily agreed with it.
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  • But anyway, at the end ofthe day, we took them home.
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  • We cleaned them up.
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  • We had our devotions and asI was leaving Peter's room,
  • 00:24:01.596 --> 00:24:04.399
  • my youngest son, he said, "Dad."
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  • And I said, "Yeah."
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  • And he said,"You're a good dad."
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  • And when he saidthat, it blessed me.
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  • He didn't go, bless you dad.
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  • Let's see, this is what alot of religious people do.
  • 00:24:16.611 --> 00:24:18.747
  • And they'll say, bless the Lord.
  • 00:24:18.747 --> 00:24:20.982
  • But God may or may notbe blessed by that.
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  • When it says, bless the Lord.
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  • It isn't saying,repeat those words.
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  • When we tell God,"God, I love you."
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  • It blesses him.
  • 00:24:32.294 --> 00:24:33.595
  • And I think that somepeople watching this man
  • 00:24:34.763 --> 00:24:36.965
  • are probably gonna think no way.
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  • God would never beblessed by anything.
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  • All I can do is dosomething for him.
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  • But they missed outon this eternal life.
  • 00:24:44.139 --> 00:24:46.908
  • They don't understandthat God loves us more
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  • than we love our kids.
  • 00:24:50.712 --> 00:24:52.747
  • And in the same way that we long
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  • to have our kids to just come
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  • and sometimeswithout being told to
  • 00:24:55.717 --> 00:24:57.786
  • just say, "I love you"or say "Thank you".
  • 00:24:57.786 --> 00:25:00.288
  • It blesses us.
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  • God gets blessed.
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  • I used to be an usher inKathryn Kuhlman's meetings.
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  • And Jamie and Ibefore we got married
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  • we went to one in FortWorth I think it was.
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  • And we saw miracles.
  • 00:25:14.769 --> 00:25:16.237
  • I actually picked a womanup off of a stretcher
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  • and put her in a chair andshe didn't weigh 60 pounds.
  • 00:25:19.174 --> 00:25:21.910
  • And then she wasrunning down the aisle,
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  • pushing the stretcher.
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  • And I saw things like this.
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  • And Jamie and Isat there and after
  • 00:25:26.381 --> 00:25:29.918
  • the thing was overand everybody left,
  • 00:25:29.918 --> 00:25:31.853
  • we were the lastpeople sitting there.
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  • It was like, wewere on holy ground.
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  • And we were just thanking God
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  • for the things that we had seen.
  • 00:25:37.292 --> 00:25:39.227
  • And then many years laterI was in Omaha, Nebraska.
  • 00:25:39.227 --> 00:25:43.198
  • And I saw peoplethat wouldn't leave.
  • 00:25:43.198 --> 00:25:45.533
  • They were sittingthere, just all struck
  • 00:25:45.533 --> 00:25:47.202
  • because we'd seen blindeyes, open deaf ears open.
  • 00:25:47.202 --> 00:25:50.405
  • And I recognize thatthey were feeling exactly
  • 00:25:50.405 --> 00:25:53.408
  • the way that Jamie andI did at my meeting.
  • 00:25:53.408 --> 00:25:56.511
  • And as I was drivingback to the hotel
  • 00:25:56.511 --> 00:25:59.414
  • I was just praisingGod and saying,
  • 00:25:59.414 --> 00:26:01.149
  • "Thank you father, thank you
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  • for touching peopleand using me."
  • 00:26:03.018 --> 00:26:05.754
  • And I was just praising God.
  • 00:26:05.754 --> 00:26:07.255
  • And the Lord told me, "Hesays thank you, Andrew."
  • 00:26:07.255 --> 00:26:09.791
  • - For being a good dad.
  • 00:26:09.791 --> 00:26:11.359
  • - And see when you say that,there's a lot of people
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  • that if they don'tunderstand about
  • 00:26:13.662 --> 00:26:15.964
  • an intimaterelationship with God,
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  • they'll think that's blasphemy.
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  • God would never thankyou for anything.
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  • He uses you like a glass.
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  • You stick a straw in it andsuck it until you hear that.
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  • And then you go get another one.
  • 00:26:27.542 --> 00:26:29.310
  • You just use them up,but God's not like that.
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  • God loves us, manLord, he loves us.
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  • If we could ever understandhow much he loves us
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  • and go to experiencing that
  • 00:26:38.553 --> 00:26:40.321
  • that love andacceptance from God,
  • 00:26:40.321 --> 00:26:43.324
  • man it'll cause you to lay down
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  • your life and to die for him.
  • 00:26:45.427 --> 00:26:47.228
  • - And that's what you'recalling eternal life?
  • 00:26:47.228 --> 00:26:49.531
  • - Absolutely.
  • 00:26:49.531 --> 00:26:50.365
  • - Okay.
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  • Would it be fair to labelthat also an understanding
  • 00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:55.637
  • of the gospel of grace.
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  • Is that, are we in the, atleast in the same category?
  • 00:26:57.939 --> 00:27:01.242
  • - I think that the gospel ofgrace is how you appropriate
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  • or how you experiencethis eternal life.
  • 00:27:04.913 --> 00:27:08.616
  • I would think that-
  • 00:27:08.616 --> 00:27:09.851
  • - Go with that fora while because-
  • 00:27:09.851 --> 00:27:11.052
  • - I think thatthere are different.
  • 00:27:11.052 --> 00:27:12.253
  • In other words, a personcould get born again
  • 00:27:12.253 --> 00:27:15.156
  • through understanding thatit's nothing that they've done.
  • 00:27:15.156 --> 00:27:17.859
  • It's totally the grace of God
  • 00:27:17.859 --> 00:27:19.494
  • and they could bethankful for it.
  • 00:27:19.494 --> 00:27:20.962
  • But whether they evertake the next step
  • 00:27:20.962 --> 00:27:23.565
  • and start appropriatingthen saying,
  • 00:27:23.565 --> 00:27:25.300
  • "Father because you'vetotally cleansed me now
  • 00:27:25.300 --> 00:27:28.369
  • I can fellowship withyou just like I."
  • 00:27:28.369 --> 00:27:29.871
  • - I've never sinned.
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  • And if so, I think thatthat's another step.
  • 00:27:32.207 --> 00:27:35.310
  • The gospel of graceis how you understand
  • 00:27:35.310 --> 00:27:38.446
  • like what grace did for me.
  • 00:27:38.446 --> 00:27:40.782
  • I had this experience Iwas just talking about
  • 00:27:40.782 --> 00:27:42.951
  • and I knew that God loved me
  • 00:27:42.951 --> 00:27:44.452
  • but my religious brainwould not let me embrace it
  • 00:27:44.452 --> 00:27:48.256
  • because I didn't deserve it.
  • 00:27:48.256 --> 00:27:49.491
  • How could God love me?
  • 00:27:49.491 --> 00:27:51.192
  • And it wasn't until I understoodwhat I call spirit, soul
  • 00:27:51.192 --> 00:27:54.095
  • and body that Ibegan to understand
  • 00:27:54.095 --> 00:27:56.831
  • how God could love me.
  • 00:27:56.831 --> 00:27:59.267
  • And that was thegospel of grace.
  • 00:27:59.267 --> 00:28:01.736
  • And that's what enabledme to embrace it
  • 00:28:01.736 --> 00:28:04.672
  • and start stepping into it, but.
  • 00:28:04.672 --> 00:28:06.541
  • - Okay. So the gospel
  • 00:28:06.541 --> 00:28:09.210
  • of grace might've beenthe introductory course
  • 00:28:09.210 --> 00:28:13.381
  • eternal life isyou're circling back
  • 00:28:13.381 --> 00:28:17.719
  • to God's original intent
  • 00:28:17.719 --> 00:28:19.854
  • for having Adam and Eve.
  • 00:28:21.055 --> 00:28:23.057
  • - Absolutely.
  • 00:28:23.057 --> 00:28:24.492
  • - And there was a communion,a constant communion
  • 00:28:24.492 --> 00:28:27.028
  • or at least mostly constant.
  • 00:28:27.028 --> 00:28:29.297
  • What you're talking aboutis you're talking about
  • 00:28:29.297 --> 00:28:33.868
  • could we know thatGod loves us so much
  • 00:28:33.868 --> 00:28:38.039
  • that we would commune with him
  • 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.742
  • like we were hisoriginal intent?
  • 00:28:40.742 --> 00:28:43.545
  • - Absolutely. Andwe can do that.
  • 00:28:43.545 --> 00:28:45.914
  • And circling back to Johnthree 16, this is what it says.
  • 00:28:45.914 --> 00:28:50.151
  • The reason he gavehis son wasn't
  • 00:28:50.151 --> 00:28:52.320
  • to forgive our sins primarily,
  • 00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:54.589
  • it was so that we couldhave eternal life.
  • 00:28:54.589 --> 00:28:56.624
  • And it was just thatsins were a barrier.
  • 00:28:56.624 --> 00:28:58.893
  • We were so defiled by him
  • 00:28:58.893 --> 00:29:00.361
  • and he was Holyand we were unholy.
  • 00:29:00.361 --> 00:29:02.397
  • So he did die for oursins and take them away.
  • 00:29:02.397 --> 00:29:04.999
  • But for what purpose, notso we could go to heaven.
  • 00:29:04.999 --> 00:29:08.036
  • Now that's gonnabe a great benefit.
  • 00:29:08.036 --> 00:29:09.938
  • I'm not denying that, but it was
  • 00:29:09.938 --> 00:29:11.606
  • so that we could have thisintimate relationship with him.
  • 00:29:11.606 --> 00:29:15.777
  • Let me give you another examplethat when I was just right
  • 00:29:15.777 --> 00:29:18.947
  • after I had this experiencewith the Lord in 1968
  • 00:29:18.947 --> 00:29:21.616
  • my mother thoughtI'd had gone crazy.
  • 00:29:21.616 --> 00:29:24.052
  • And she took me over to Europeon this Billy Graham trip.
  • 00:29:24.052 --> 00:29:28.223
  • And we went toBern, Switzerland.
  • 00:29:28.223 --> 00:29:29.958
  • But anyway, we dida tour and we went
  • 00:29:29.958 --> 00:29:31.526
  • through Rome and Inever will forget going
  • 00:29:31.526 --> 00:29:35.129
  • through the Coliseum,the Circus Maximus
  • 00:29:35.129 --> 00:29:38.099
  • looking where the Christianswere put to death.
  • 00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:40.535
  • And I went through the catacombs
  • 00:29:40.535 --> 00:29:42.704
  • and I, you know, theyhad inscriptions.
  • 00:29:42.704 --> 00:29:44.539
  • Have you seen those catacombs?
  • 00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:46.040
  • And they would haveinscriptions there.
  • 00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:47.609
  • They would have to burytheir dead in the catacombs
  • 00:29:47.609 --> 00:29:49.944
  • so the Romans wouldn'tdesecrate them.
  • 00:29:49.944 --> 00:29:51.746
  • And I remember one inscription,
  • 00:29:51.746 --> 00:29:53.882
  • it was translated into English.
  • 00:29:53.882 --> 00:29:55.516
  • And it says, here lies my wife
  • 00:29:55.516 --> 00:29:57.652
  • and six months old daughterwho gave their life
  • 00:29:57.652 --> 00:30:00.288
  • for the glory of God inthe Circus Maximus today.
  • 00:30:00.288 --> 00:30:03.291
  • And you could tell thathe was praising God.
  • 00:30:03.291 --> 00:30:07.095
  • Because they had such adepth of a relationship.
  • 00:30:08.296 --> 00:30:11.199
  • And I also heardwhen I was there
  • 00:30:11.199 --> 00:30:13.001
  • that they said Nero literallystuck his fingers in his ears
  • 00:30:13.001 --> 00:30:17.205
  • because theChristians would sing
  • 00:30:17.205 --> 00:30:19.574
  • as they were beingburned to death and kill.
  • 00:30:19.574 --> 00:30:22.577
  • And he says, why dothese Christian sing?
  • 00:30:22.577 --> 00:30:25.346
  • And one of the reasons thatthey stopped the games was
  • 00:30:25.346 --> 00:30:29.150
  • because were so many peoplein the stands seeing the love
  • 00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:32.654
  • and the joy on the people's face
  • 00:30:32.654 --> 00:30:35.123
  • as they were burned andmutilated and stuff.
  • 00:30:35.123 --> 00:30:37.959
  • And the Romans would jump out
  • 00:30:37.959 --> 00:30:39.560
  • of the stands and go out thereand immediately accept Jesus
  • 00:30:39.560 --> 00:30:42.730
  • because they wanted thatquality of a relationship.
  • 00:30:42.730 --> 00:30:46.467
  • They weren't repeatingsome words after somebody
  • 00:30:46.467 --> 00:30:49.637
  • or just saying, say a prayer.
  • 00:30:49.637 --> 00:30:51.773
  • They were going forthat relationship.
  • 00:30:51.773 --> 00:30:54.609
  • - Cause that is the mostpriceless, precious treasure
  • 00:30:54.609 --> 00:30:57.578
  • there is
  • 00:30:57.578 --> 00:30:58.813
  • - People are lookingfor that more than
  • 00:30:58.813 --> 00:31:00.114
  • they're looking for anything.
  • 00:31:00.114 --> 00:31:01.049
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:31:01.049 --> 00:31:02.483
  • And they should be concernedabout heaven and hell.
  • 00:31:02.483 --> 00:31:04.485
  • I'm not sayingthat's not a factor
  • 00:31:04.485 --> 00:31:06.821
  • but most people are livingin such a hell right now
  • 00:31:06.821 --> 00:31:09.824
  • that they're just trying toget through the COVID-19 thing.
  • 00:31:09.824 --> 00:31:13.361
  • They're just trying to getthrough their physical problems,
  • 00:31:13.361 --> 00:31:16.397
  • their marriage problems.
  • 00:31:16.397 --> 00:31:17.598
  • And they aren'tthinking long-term.
  • 00:31:17.598 --> 00:31:19.600
  • And the church, the reasonthat Jesus was so effective
  • 00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:22.670
  • people were breakingholes in the roof
  • 00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:24.605
  • and letting the sick in
  • 00:31:24.605 --> 00:31:26.107
  • because it would meet them rightwhere they were not talking
  • 00:31:26.107 --> 00:31:29.544
  • about eternity, and the church
  • 00:31:29.544 --> 00:31:31.713
  • for whatever reason has gottentotally away from talking
  • 00:31:31.713 --> 00:31:36.050
  • about having an intimate,personal relationship with God
  • 00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:39.420
  • and it's all about just repentso you won't go to hell.
  • 00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:43.091
  • You know, if here's anotherexample that I would, like
  • 00:31:43.091 --> 00:31:46.060
  • I told you, I was witnessinto everything that moved
  • 00:31:46.060 --> 00:31:48.696
  • and talking to lots ofpeople, but I got hooked up
  • 00:31:48.696 --> 00:31:51.599
  • with the navigators, wentback in about 69 or 70.
  • 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:56.204
  • And one of theexamples that they use
  • 00:31:56.204 --> 00:31:58.339
  • that just changed my life.
  • 00:31:58.339 --> 00:31:59.974
  • He says that if you took aminister who is so evangelistic,
  • 00:31:59.974 --> 00:32:03.845
  • that he led athousand people a year
  • 00:32:03.845 --> 00:32:06.414
  • to the Lord, thatwould be phenomenal.
  • 00:32:06.414 --> 00:32:08.282
  • That's nearlythree people a day.
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  • I don't know anybody thatdoes something like that.
  • 00:32:10.184 --> 00:32:12.954
  • But if you let athousand people a year
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  • to the Lord at the endof a 35 year ministry,
  • 00:32:14.889 --> 00:32:17.392
  • you'd have 35.000 Christians.
  • 00:32:17.392 --> 00:32:19.894
  • And even all thatwould be wonderful.
  • 00:32:21.062 --> 00:32:23.064
  • It wouldn't even affect NewYork city, Los Angeles, Chicago.
  • 00:32:23.064 --> 00:32:26.267
  • It wouldn't change anything.
  • 00:32:26.267 --> 00:32:27.802
  • We got more than that, manyChristians in those places.
  • 00:32:27.802 --> 00:32:30.671
  • But if you took the sameperson and if he went out
  • 00:32:30.671 --> 00:32:33.608
  • and instead of making converts,he just led one person
  • 00:32:33.608 --> 00:32:37.445
  • to the Lord every six months,and then isolated himself
  • 00:32:37.445 --> 00:32:40.648
  • with that person and taughthim everything he knew
  • 00:32:40.648 --> 00:32:43.217
  • so that this personwas a disciple.
  • 00:32:43.217 --> 00:32:46.054
  • Then at the end of six months
  • 00:32:46.054 --> 00:32:47.255
  • you'd have two disciplesversus 500 converts.
  • 00:32:47.255 --> 00:32:51.893
  • At the end of the year,they would each go out
  • 00:32:51.893 --> 00:32:54.262
  • and they would each makeone more disciple and,
  • 00:32:54.262 --> 00:32:57.031
  • and school them.
  • 00:32:57.031 --> 00:32:57.965
  • So at the end of the year
  • 00:32:57.965 --> 00:32:59.367
  • you'd have a thousand convertsversus four disciples.
  • 00:32:59.367 --> 00:33:03.838
  • But at the end of12 and a half years
  • 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:06.874
  • you would disciple more thanthe population of the world.
  • 00:33:06.874 --> 00:33:09.811
  • More than 7 billion people,if we were making disciples.
  • 00:33:09.811 --> 00:33:14.615
  • And I know that that doesn'tsound right, but it's true.
  • 00:33:14.615 --> 00:33:18.086
  • If you, if you onlyhad half of it,
  • 00:33:18.086 --> 00:33:20.621
  • at the 11 years andsix months thing,
  • 00:33:20.621 --> 00:33:24.058
  • then it would double
  • 00:33:24.058 --> 00:33:25.526
  • you would be doubling everytime, compound interest.
  • 00:33:25.526 --> 00:33:28.396
  • - I was told there wouldn'tbe any math on this show.
  • 00:33:28.396 --> 00:33:31.399
  • (laughing)
  • 00:33:31.399 --> 00:33:32.633
  • So that's one thing- You were hoping
  • 00:33:32.633 --> 00:33:34.235
  • there wouldn't
  • 00:33:34.235 --> 00:33:35.503
  • be any math- I'm not comfortable with.
  • 00:33:35.503 --> 00:33:37.371
  • I, I want to have you address,
  • 00:33:37.371 --> 00:33:42.076
  • someone who says,
  • 00:33:43.845 --> 00:33:45.947
  • Andrew,
  • 00:33:47.448 --> 00:33:48.282
  • what's your point here?
  • 00:33:49.717 --> 00:33:51.786
  • You know, everyone shouldbe like Reinhardt Bonnke
  • 00:33:51.786 --> 00:33:54.689
  • in his life and goand have mass crusades
  • 00:33:54.689 --> 00:33:57.525
  • and just, what, whatdo we, what do we
  • 00:33:57.525 --> 00:34:00.795
  • what do you want us to gain
  • 00:34:00.795 --> 00:34:02.997
  • from this study that you'resitting here doing right know?
  • 00:34:02.997 --> 00:34:06.234
  • I'm saying that people whoare looking only for an
  • 00:34:06.234 --> 00:34:10.771
  • a ticket out of hail
  • 00:34:10.771 --> 00:34:13.141
  • have missed the realpurpose of salvation.
  • 00:34:13.141 --> 00:34:15.576
  • That's not to say thatthey aren't saved.
  • 00:34:16.711 --> 00:34:18.713
  • It's not to say, if they die,they wouldn't go to heaven
  • 00:34:18.713 --> 00:34:21.215
  • and heaven's goingto be a blast,
  • 00:34:21.215 --> 00:34:23.417
  • but they are missing thereason that Jesus came,
  • 00:34:23.417 --> 00:34:26.454
  • he didn't come
  • 00:34:26.454 --> 00:34:27.989
  • to just forgive us so thatwe wouldn't go to hell.
  • 00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:30.858
  • He came to forgive us so
  • 00:34:30.858 --> 00:34:32.493
  • that he could havea relationship withus in this life.
  • 00:34:32.493 --> 00:34:36.964
  • And so if we experienced that
  • 00:34:36.964 --> 00:34:39.500
  • it will not only changethe quality of life for us
  • 00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:43.471
  • but we would become a thousandtimes more productive.
  • 00:34:43.471 --> 00:34:47.675
  • And I don't want to call names
  • 00:34:47.675 --> 00:34:50.545
  • but I watch peopleon television.
  • 00:34:50.545 --> 00:34:53.447
  • Some of them on TBN
  • 00:34:53.447 --> 00:34:55.383
  • and they have a message,
  • 00:34:55.383 --> 00:34:57.151
  • they got a style,
  • 00:34:57.151 --> 00:34:58.386
  • they get people all worked up
  • 00:34:58.386 --> 00:35:00.321
  • but when it's all over,
  • 00:35:00.321 --> 00:35:02.190
  • those people don't knowthe Lord and you can see it
  • 00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:04.525
  • because of the way thatthey can't appropriate
  • 00:35:04.525 --> 00:35:07.962
  • any of the things they,they cave every time
  • 00:35:07.962 --> 00:35:10.731
  • they get into trouble.
  • 00:35:10.731 --> 00:35:12.567
  • They just don't havethe relationship.
  • 00:35:12.567 --> 00:35:15.203
  • And this is probably the numberone statement that's made
  • 00:35:15.203 --> 00:35:18.506
  • by the people that come toour Bible colleges that they,
  • 00:35:18.506 --> 00:35:20.975
  • they actually sometimes get mad.
  • 00:35:20.975 --> 00:35:22.910
  • Why didn't I know these things?
  • 00:35:22.910 --> 00:35:24.478
  • How come I didn't knowhow much God loved me?
  • 00:35:24.478 --> 00:35:28.182
  • And they just have missedout on all of this.
  • 00:35:28.182 --> 00:35:30.518
  • - Let me see ifI'm right or wrong.
  • 00:35:31.953 --> 00:35:34.822
  • Okay.
  • 00:35:34.822 --> 00:35:36.357
  • - You're like, Jesus, you, yousay things through questions.
  • 00:35:36.357 --> 00:35:38.960
  • (laughs)
  • 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.294
  • - Let me see.- Always asking questions.
  • 00:35:40.294 --> 00:35:41.829
  • - Let me just, let me justsee if I, let me just see
  • 00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:44.599
  • if I'm drinking from thisliving water correctly.
  • 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.370
  • Okay. Just makesure I'm getting it.
  • 00:35:49.370 --> 00:35:51.138
  • Cause I wanna, Iwant to know, okay.
  • 00:35:51.138 --> 00:35:53.274
  • You seem to be putting animportance on this life,
  • 00:35:54.709 --> 00:35:59.247
  • this vapor, it's describedin scriptures of vapor,
  • 00:36:00.681 --> 00:36:03.684
  • very short period of ourentire existence, okay.
  • 00:36:03.684 --> 00:36:08.689
  • That there is an opportunitythat we're missing
  • 00:36:08.689 --> 00:36:13.160
  • that God is really,
  • 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:15.463
  • his original intent was about
  • 00:36:17.098 --> 00:36:19.200
  • we're missing part ofthe original intent
  • 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:22.603
  • because God wanted peopleto just praise him.
  • 00:36:22.603 --> 00:36:27.575
  • He has a whole bunch ofangels, and apparently
  • 00:36:27.575 --> 00:36:29.610
  • they're doing a reallygood job of that right now.
  • 00:36:29.610 --> 00:36:32.413
  • Man was a very unique creature.
  • 00:36:32.413 --> 00:36:35.716
  • And as we're sitting heretoday, we have an opportunity
  • 00:36:35.716 --> 00:36:40.021
  • to commune and, and, and really
  • 00:36:40.021 --> 00:36:43.624
  • be a part of God'soriginal intent
  • 00:36:44.859 --> 00:36:49.096
  • while we're alivetoday, in pandemics,
  • 00:36:49.096 --> 00:36:53.367
  • craziness in streets,some cities on fire,
  • 00:36:53.367 --> 00:36:57.905
  • and we can talk to Godand commune with him,
  • 00:36:57.905 --> 00:37:01.542
  • be a part of hisoriginal intent.
  • 00:37:01.542 --> 00:37:03.644
  • So there's a really importantemphasis you're putting on
  • 00:37:03.644 --> 00:37:06.647
  • this life right now.
  • 00:37:06.647 --> 00:37:08.015
  • - Absolutely. Youtake care of this life
  • 00:37:08.015 --> 00:37:10.351
  • the next lives' a given.
  • 00:37:10.351 --> 00:37:12.653
  • - Okay. Now speak toa pastor who says,
  • 00:37:12.653 --> 00:37:16.791
  • Andrew,
  • 00:37:16.791 --> 00:37:18.259
  • you sound like you're,you're missing the point.
  • 00:37:18.259 --> 00:37:21.896
  • Isn't the point just aboutpeople populating, plunder hell,
  • 00:37:23.264 --> 00:37:27.601
  • populate heaven.
  • 00:37:27.601 --> 00:37:28.836
  • - Well, let me, letme say it this way
  • 00:37:28.836 --> 00:37:30.338
  • that I would say most people
  • 00:37:30.338 --> 00:37:31.972
  • the focus is on let's go outand change people's lives.
  • 00:37:31.972 --> 00:37:36.377
  • I think the focus should beon our relationship with God
  • 00:37:36.377 --> 00:37:39.747
  • and then people's livesbeing changed would be
  • 00:37:39.747 --> 00:37:43.317
  • the by-product of ourrelationship with God.
  • 00:37:43.317 --> 00:37:46.520
  • - Okay
  • 00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:47.988
  • - Not the relationshipwith God being secondary.
  • 00:37:47.988 --> 00:37:50.458
  • And here's another verse isacts chapter 13, verse two.
  • 00:37:50.458 --> 00:37:54.595
  • And it says, you know,
  • 00:37:54.595 --> 00:37:55.863
  • there was Paul and Silasand a number of people.
  • 00:37:55.863 --> 00:37:59.133
  • And it says as theyfasted and prayed
  • 00:37:59.133 --> 00:38:01.268
  • and ministered to the Lord,
  • 00:38:01.268 --> 00:38:02.737
  • the Lord said, separateme Barnabas and Saul
  • 00:38:02.737 --> 00:38:05.272
  • for the work we'reinto, I've called them.
  • 00:38:05.272 --> 00:38:08.109
  • So they wereministering to the Lord.
  • 00:38:08.109 --> 00:38:10.244
  • How do you minister to the Lord?
  • 00:38:10.244 --> 00:38:11.846
  • Do you sit downand preach at him
  • 00:38:13.381 --> 00:38:15.383
  • and you've got to change,you got to do something?
  • 00:38:15.383 --> 00:38:18.419
  • No, you know, it's thesame thing is said over
  • 00:38:18.419 --> 00:38:20.788
  • in the eighth chapter of Matthew
  • 00:38:20.788 --> 00:38:22.323
  • after Jesus healedPeter's mother-in-law
  • 00:38:22.323 --> 00:38:24.892
  • it said she arose inministered unto them.
  • 00:38:24.892 --> 00:38:27.695
  • That means that sheprobably washed their feet
  • 00:38:27.695 --> 00:38:29.597
  • or cooked them.
  • 00:38:29.597 --> 00:38:30.398
  • - Cooked them something to eat
  • 00:38:31.565 --> 00:38:32.833
  • or did something,ministered to 'em.
  • 00:38:32.833 --> 00:38:35.369
  • So here's a radical thought.
  • 00:38:35.369 --> 00:38:38.005
  • God needs ministering to,they ministered to the Lord.
  • 00:38:38.005 --> 00:38:43.010
  • But how do youminister to the Lord?
  • 00:38:43.411 --> 00:38:45.312
  • It's not because he'sat a deficit in any way,
  • 00:38:45.312 --> 00:38:47.381
  • but any person who loves.
  • 00:38:47.381 --> 00:38:49.183
  • God so loved the world.
  • 00:38:49.183 --> 00:38:51.685
  • If you love a person,
  • 00:38:51.685 --> 00:38:53.587
  • you long for thatperson to love you back.
  • 00:38:53.587 --> 00:38:56.323
  • If you love Laurie.
  • 00:38:57.425 --> 00:38:58.859
  • What would it be likeif you love Laurie
  • 00:38:58.859 --> 00:39:00.528
  • but if she didn't love you back?
  • 00:39:00.528 --> 00:39:02.797
  • It would be miserable.
  • 00:39:02.797 --> 00:39:04.465
  • That's what theytalk about tragedy
  • 00:39:04.465 --> 00:39:07.201
  • and all of thesekinds of things.
  • 00:39:07.201 --> 00:39:08.803
  • So any person who loves, youwant that love to be returned.
  • 00:39:08.803 --> 00:39:13.674
  • And most Christians aren'tministering unto the Lord.
  • 00:39:13.674 --> 00:39:16.377
  • They aren't loving the Lord.
  • 00:39:16.377 --> 00:39:18.479
  • You know again, I believethat Adam and Eve,
  • 00:39:18.479 --> 00:39:20.247
  • they didn't intercede,they didn't rebuke,
  • 00:39:20.247 --> 00:39:24.351
  • they didn't have demons to bind,
  • 00:39:24.351 --> 00:39:26.053
  • they didn't havethings to pray over.
  • 00:39:26.053 --> 00:39:27.721
  • They just would say, "God, itwas a beautiful day to day.
  • 00:39:27.721 --> 00:39:30.658
  • "The sunrise was awesome.
  • 00:39:30.658 --> 00:39:33.093
  • "Man, it was beautiful.
  • 00:39:33.093 --> 00:39:35.362
  • "We found a brandnew fruit today
  • 00:39:35.362 --> 00:39:37.331
  • "that we've never eatenbefore, and it was awesome.
  • 00:39:37.331 --> 00:39:39.767
  • "You did a great job."
  • 00:39:39.767 --> 00:39:41.969
  • Things like that.
  • 00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:43.471
  • They were just telling God andhaving relationship with God
  • 00:39:43.471 --> 00:39:45.840
  • and God inhabits thepraises of His people.
  • 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.243
  • - You are declaring that youunderstand what eternal life is
  • 00:39:49.243 --> 00:39:54.248
  • and that you're living it.
  • 00:39:56.283 --> 00:39:58.319
  • You are, that's your declarationhere on this program.
  • 00:39:58.319 --> 00:40:01.655
  • - I'm not saying that I'vearrived, but I've left.
  • 00:40:01.655 --> 00:40:03.457
  • - Okay.
  • 00:40:03.457 --> 00:40:04.291
  • (Laurie laughing)
  • 00:40:04.291 --> 00:40:05.526
  • - I like that.
  • 00:40:05.526 --> 00:40:06.360
  • - And you'redescribing eternal life
  • 00:40:07.361 --> 00:40:09.630
  • as an understandingof God's love
  • 00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:11.999
  • so that you cancommune with Him.
  • 00:40:11.999 --> 00:40:14.368
  • - Yeah well, it's not just...
  • 00:40:14.368 --> 00:40:15.970
  • The understanding is essential,
  • 00:40:15.970 --> 00:40:18.906
  • but it does you no goodunless you'd take advantage
  • 00:40:18.906 --> 00:40:21.742
  • and put it to practice,
  • 00:40:21.742 --> 00:40:22.743
  • so it's actually communion.
  • 00:40:22.743 --> 00:40:24.445
  • - But that's what we're saying.
  • 00:40:24.445 --> 00:40:26.380
  • So those two statementsare true then.
  • 00:40:26.380 --> 00:40:29.083
  • So how is your life better today
  • 00:40:29.083 --> 00:40:33.954
  • than before youhad an experience
  • 00:40:33.954 --> 00:40:37.525
  • where God showed youhow much love you have?
  • 00:40:37.525 --> 00:40:40.895
  • What's what's thepersonal testimony
  • 00:40:40.895 --> 00:40:43.731
  • of who and what you are today.
  • 00:40:43.731 --> 00:40:46.033
  • - Do you wanna give melike a a month to say?
  • 00:40:46.033 --> 00:40:48.969
  • (Laurie laughing)
  • 00:40:48.969 --> 00:40:50.337
  • - No, not a month (laughing)
  • 00:40:50.337 --> 00:40:51.839
  • - But honestly I can saythat everything in my life
  • 00:40:51.839 --> 00:40:55.809
  • comes back to this,
  • 00:40:55.809 --> 00:40:57.111
  • to my relationshipwith the Lord.
  • 00:40:57.111 --> 00:40:59.547
  • You know, when I firstgot turned on to the Lord,
  • 00:40:59.547 --> 00:41:01.582
  • the first things he askedme to do is to quit school.
  • 00:41:01.582 --> 00:41:03.851
  • I quit school.
  • 00:41:03.851 --> 00:41:04.685
  • I lost a student affirm
  • 00:41:04.685 --> 00:41:05.986
  • and I lost moneyfrom the government.
  • 00:41:05.986 --> 00:41:07.555
  • I got drafted, Igot sent to Vietnam.
  • 00:41:07.555 --> 00:41:11.926
  • 20 years after I wasback from Vietnam,
  • 00:41:11.926 --> 00:41:14.194
  • a guy gave me a book that hewanted me to read about it.
  • 00:41:14.194 --> 00:41:17.097
  • It had 12 testimonies of people
  • 00:41:17.097 --> 00:41:19.934
  • and three of themwere in my division
  • 00:41:19.934 --> 00:41:22.803
  • and I think two of themwere while I was there.
  • 00:41:22.803 --> 00:41:25.573
  • And one of them,
  • 00:41:25.573 --> 00:41:27.107
  • I can't guarantee becausehe didn't give the specifics
  • 00:41:27.107 --> 00:41:29.043
  • but I think I wasthere when he described
  • 00:41:29.043 --> 00:41:33.047
  • this hill being overrun, Iwas a chaplain's assistant.
  • 00:41:33.047 --> 00:41:36.550
  • And so I went inwith the chaplain
  • 00:41:36.550 --> 00:41:38.319
  • and it was a Protestant chaplain
  • 00:41:38.319 --> 00:41:39.853
  • but it was comparable togiving the last rights.
  • 00:41:39.853 --> 00:41:43.390
  • They expected allthese guys to die.
  • 00:41:43.390 --> 00:41:45.559
  • So we went in andheld a service.
  • 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.328
  • And in an area about the size,
  • 00:41:47.328 --> 00:41:49.129
  • maybe just a little bitbigger than this barn,
  • 00:41:49.129 --> 00:41:51.665
  • we took 175 mortars during thefour hours that I was there.
  • 00:41:51.665 --> 00:41:56.103
  • And I mean, you could see themuzzle fire from the weapons.
  • 00:41:56.103 --> 00:41:59.273
  • And I had my M16pointed down the Hill,
  • 00:41:59.273 --> 00:42:01.976
  • I didn't ever fire it becausethey were too far away.
  • 00:42:01.976 --> 00:42:04.411
  • But I mean, I was inthe midst of fighting
  • 00:42:04.411 --> 00:42:07.514
  • and Matt, you may have ahard time believing this,
  • 00:42:07.514 --> 00:42:11.652
  • but I was so excited.
  • 00:42:11.652 --> 00:42:13.887
  • I was just like, "OhJesus, this is awesome.
  • 00:42:13.887 --> 00:42:16.590
  • "I could see youbefore the day is over.
  • 00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:19.793
  • - My goodness.- And I was just praising God.
  • 00:42:19.793 --> 00:42:22.329
  • I was having joy and peace,people dying all around me.
  • 00:42:22.329 --> 00:42:27.234
  • And then I got to thinkingabout the Vietnamese,
  • 00:42:27.234 --> 00:42:29.670
  • they don't know you.
  • 00:42:29.670 --> 00:42:31.138
  • And I started prayingand interceding for them.
  • 00:42:31.138 --> 00:42:33.841
  • And I mean, I had justan awesome experience
  • 00:42:33.841 --> 00:42:37.745
  • with all of this stuffgoing on around me.
  • 00:42:39.013 --> 00:42:40.381
  • And it was 20 years later
  • 00:42:40.381 --> 00:42:42.149
  • reading it throughthe eyes of a person
  • 00:42:42.149 --> 00:42:44.251
  • who wasn't a believer whowas going through that
  • 00:42:44.251 --> 00:42:46.887
  • and he was talking about
  • 00:42:46.887 --> 00:42:48.122
  • the absolute terrorthat gripped him.
  • 00:42:48.122 --> 00:42:50.290
  • He talked about the smell.
  • 00:42:50.290 --> 00:42:51.625
  • You could always smellthe Vietnamese coming
  • 00:42:51.625 --> 00:42:53.727
  • 'cause they ate somuch fish and stuff.
  • 00:42:53.727 --> 00:42:56.296
  • And thinks that all of asudden I had a flashback
  • 00:42:56.296 --> 00:42:59.933
  • and I saw it through theeyes of an unbeliever
  • 00:42:59.933 --> 00:43:02.169
  • 20 years later
  • 00:43:02.169 --> 00:43:03.370
  • and I realized, man,if it wasn't for Jesus,
  • 00:43:03.370 --> 00:43:05.339
  • I'd have been terrified.
  • 00:43:05.339 --> 00:43:07.141
  • But this is whatknowing the Lord does.
  • 00:43:07.141 --> 00:43:09.877
  • I faced death and man,I was actually excited.
  • 00:43:09.877 --> 00:43:12.913
  • This is what Paul said.
  • 00:43:12.913 --> 00:43:14.581
  • He says, I have a problem here.
  • 00:43:14.581 --> 00:43:17.184
  • I have a desire to departand to be with the Lord,
  • 00:43:17.184 --> 00:43:19.386
  • but it's more necessaryfor you that I stay here.
  • 00:43:19.386 --> 00:43:22.022
  • And that's exactly what he said.
  • 00:43:22.022 --> 00:43:24.191
  • And you can actuallyget to a place that
  • 00:43:24.191 --> 00:43:26.527
  • it's just like you'rein a bubble that...
  • 00:43:27.728 --> 00:43:30.297
  • Like, we just have been suedby the state of Colorado
  • 00:43:30.297 --> 00:43:33.567
  • the last week.
  • 00:43:33.567 --> 00:43:34.802
  • We've got peoplecoming against us,
  • 00:43:34.802 --> 00:43:36.170
  • We had temporaryrestraining orders.
  • 00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:38.338
  • I had the sheriff come outand it just doesn't matter.
  • 00:43:38.338 --> 00:43:41.775
  • It's not that big of a deal.
  • 00:43:41.775 --> 00:43:43.744
  • - Because of the COVID-19, yeah?
  • 00:43:43.744 --> 00:43:45.546
  • - Because I violatedtheir restrictions
  • 00:43:45.546 --> 00:43:47.581
  • and held a meeting and stuff.
  • 00:43:47.581 --> 00:43:49.383
  • And I'm saying that whenyou know the Lord...
  • 00:43:49.383 --> 00:43:53.020
  • Here's another example.
  • 00:43:53.020 --> 00:43:54.288
  • I had people come up tome before and rebuke me
  • 00:43:54.288 --> 00:43:56.757
  • and just tell me theydon't like what I'm saying
  • 00:43:56.757 --> 00:43:59.126
  • and all kinds of stuff
  • 00:43:59.126 --> 00:44:00.661
  • and because of myrelationship with the Lord.
  • 00:44:00.661 --> 00:44:02.830
  • I told this one guy,
  • 00:44:02.830 --> 00:44:04.098
  • I said, "Who diedand made you God."
  • 00:44:04.098 --> 00:44:05.966
  • And he looked at me and hesays, "What do you mean?"
  • 00:44:05.966 --> 00:44:08.135
  • And I said "You aren't God."
  • 00:44:08.135 --> 00:44:10.204
  • I said, "God almighty loves me
  • 00:44:10.204 --> 00:44:12.773
  • "He thinks I'm fine,
  • 00:44:12.773 --> 00:44:13.907
  • "He carries mypicture in his wallet.
  • 00:44:13.907 --> 00:44:15.776
  • "He's got an 8 by 10of me on his mantel.
  • 00:44:15.776 --> 00:44:18.045
  • "Who are you?
  • 00:44:18.045 --> 00:44:19.246
  • "I don't give a ripwhat you think."
  • 00:44:19.246 --> 00:44:20.581
  • And this guy "Dowhat you should."
  • 00:44:20.581 --> 00:44:22.049
  • And I said, "I don't."
  • 00:44:22.049 --> 00:44:23.717
  • And it just gives youthat kind of an attitude
  • 00:44:23.717 --> 00:44:26.186
  • that when you know thatGod Almighty loves you,
  • 00:44:26.186 --> 00:44:28.388
  • it gives you a securityand a confidence
  • 00:44:28.388 --> 00:44:31.024
  • that most people are missing.
  • 00:44:31.024 --> 00:44:32.593
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:44:32.593 --> 00:44:34.061
  • - So your sweet and spicyat the same time I see
  • 00:44:34.061 --> 00:44:36.063
  • - [Laurie] I like it.
  • 00:44:36.063 --> 00:44:37.231
  • - Okay, land thisplane here for us.
  • 00:44:38.432 --> 00:44:42.636
  • Let's invite people
  • 00:44:43.604 --> 00:44:45.906
  • to the place that we'retalking about here.
  • 00:44:45.906 --> 00:44:48.242
  • Let's invite them, praywith them, pray for them.
  • 00:44:48.242 --> 00:44:51.478
  • However you want tokind of end this.
  • 00:44:51.478 --> 00:44:54.348
  • We're kind of out of time
  • 00:44:54.348 --> 00:44:56.150
  • we've unpacked this quite a bit.
  • 00:44:57.317 --> 00:44:59.686
  • And what you'rewanting to say, I think
  • 00:44:59.686 --> 00:45:02.055
  • feels like what I heard.
  • 00:45:02.923 --> 00:45:04.158
  • - (indistinct) saywhat he wants to say
  • 00:45:04.158 --> 00:45:05.626
  • (Laurie laughing)
  • 00:45:05.626 --> 00:45:06.560
  • - What I feel like I heard was
  • 00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:09.663
  • there is a uniquenessto this life
  • 00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:15.936
  • that God was yearning for.
  • 00:45:17.638 --> 00:45:20.541
  • And because of Jesus,
  • 00:45:20.541 --> 00:45:22.676
  • we can basically step into theplace that Adam and Eve held.
  • 00:45:22.676 --> 00:45:27.481
  • - [Andrew] Absolutelyand actually better.
  • 00:45:27.481 --> 00:45:30.517
  • - Okay, even better.
  • 00:45:30.517 --> 00:45:31.518
  • Got it, I understand that.
  • 00:45:31.518 --> 00:45:33.187
  • So we have this opportunityand we're kind of wasting it
  • 00:45:33.187 --> 00:45:38.192
  • through worry, doubt, fears.
  • 00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:42.796
  • - Perfect love cast out fear.
  • 00:45:43.931 --> 00:45:45.999
  • If people knew howmuch God loved them,
  • 00:45:45.999 --> 00:45:48.202
  • they wouldn't fear sickness,
  • 00:45:48.202 --> 00:45:49.703
  • they wouldn't fear failure.
  • 00:45:49.703 --> 00:45:51.004
  • - [Matt] There theyare right there.
  • 00:45:51.004 --> 00:45:52.105
  • - They wouldn't fear, anything.
  • 00:45:52.105 --> 00:45:55.676
  • I'm telling you thatGod's kind of love,
  • 00:45:55.676 --> 00:45:57.678
  • once you understandhow much he loves you,
  • 00:45:57.678 --> 00:45:59.680
  • it just changes everything.
  • 00:45:59.680 --> 00:46:02.316
  • And so the very firststep I believe is
  • 00:46:02.316 --> 00:46:04.218
  • you've got to even knowthat this is possible
  • 00:46:04.218 --> 00:46:06.153
  • and that this is what God wants,
  • 00:46:06.153 --> 00:46:07.754
  • that He didn't just saveyou out of obligation,
  • 00:46:07.754 --> 00:46:10.057
  • He saved you because he lovesyou and he wants to know you.
  • 00:46:10.057 --> 00:46:12.893
  • He wants to talkto you every day.
  • 00:46:12.893 --> 00:46:15.896
  • He wants to hear aboutwhat's going on with you.
  • 00:46:15.896 --> 00:46:18.866
  • And so if you just acknowledgethat, that is even true,
  • 00:46:18.866 --> 00:46:22.669
  • that this is whateternal life is,
  • 00:46:22.669 --> 00:46:24.304
  • that's the first step isjust taking away this barrier
  • 00:46:24.304 --> 00:46:28.275
  • and saying, father Ibelieve that you do love me.
  • 00:46:28.275 --> 00:46:31.144
  • And once you open up and askGod to reveal his love to you
  • 00:46:31.144 --> 00:46:34.982
  • and to help you to receive it,
  • 00:46:34.982 --> 00:46:37.517
  • and then to return itand minister back to Him,
  • 00:46:37.517 --> 00:46:39.920
  • that's what the HolySpirit is sent for
  • 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.555
  • is to glorify Jesus andto show you his love.
  • 00:46:41.555 --> 00:46:45.492
  • And it'll all come to pass,
  • 00:46:45.492 --> 00:46:46.960
  • but he doesn't force itupon you. Psalms 35:27 says,
  • 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.265
  • "Let the Lord be magnified,
  • 00:46:51.265 --> 00:46:53.367
  • "which has pleasure in theprosperity of His servant.
  • 00:46:53.367 --> 00:46:55.869
  • He won't force it on you.
  • 00:46:55.869 --> 00:46:57.437
  • He won't demand it.
  • 00:46:58.839 --> 00:47:00.841
  • You have to reachout and receive it.
  • 00:47:00.841 --> 00:47:03.343
  • So is it okay if I justpray with them right now?
  • 00:47:03.343 --> 00:47:04.745
  • - Good absolutely.
  • 00:47:04.745 --> 00:47:06.013
  • - Right now inthe name of Jesus,
  • 00:47:06.013 --> 00:47:07.547
  • Father I'm justpraying for people
  • 00:47:07.547 --> 00:47:09.216
  • who've watched this program
  • 00:47:09.216 --> 00:47:10.717
  • who really haven't understoodthat you love them so much,
  • 00:47:10.717 --> 00:47:14.621
  • that you want to fellowshipwith them, not just use them,
  • 00:47:14.621 --> 00:47:19.459
  • but fellowship with them.
  • 00:47:19.459 --> 00:47:21.295
  • And I'm asking thatthe Holy spirit
  • 00:47:21.295 --> 00:47:22.930
  • would make this becomealive and real to them,
  • 00:47:22.930 --> 00:47:26.400
  • that they would receive it.
  • 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.468
  • I believe that rightnow wherever they are,
  • 00:47:28.468 --> 00:47:30.470
  • you are touching people's lives
  • 00:47:30.470 --> 00:47:32.005
  • and that this'll be a littleseed that we've planted,
  • 00:47:32.005 --> 00:47:34.775
  • it will grow into amighty relationship
  • 00:47:34.775 --> 00:47:37.477
  • between them and you.
  • 00:47:37.477 --> 00:47:39.913
  • And Father, I thank you for that
  • 00:47:39.913 --> 00:47:41.148
  • and we receive it inthe name of Jesus, amen.
  • 00:47:41.148 --> 00:47:44.084
  • - You know what feels likewould be a final thing
  • 00:47:44.084 --> 00:47:46.286
  • is if you took thatmoment in your life
  • 00:47:46.286 --> 00:47:49.990
  • where you werewitnessing hardcore,
  • 00:47:49.990 --> 00:47:52.960
  • you were doing a lot of works,
  • 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.594
  • you were...
  • 00:47:54.594 --> 00:47:56.129
  • You know you described itearlier in this broadcast
  • 00:47:56.129 --> 00:47:58.732
  • that if you would havecontinued your works mentality,
  • 00:47:58.732 --> 00:48:02.235
  • you would have burned out.
  • 00:48:02.235 --> 00:48:03.470
  • You probably wouldhave burned out.
  • 00:48:03.470 --> 00:48:05.172
  • Take us to that moment
  • 00:48:06.073 --> 00:48:07.507
  • and give as anexclamation point.
  • 00:48:07.507 --> 00:48:10.978
  • That moment when God showed you
  • 00:48:10.978 --> 00:48:14.781
  • that it wasn't aboutall of that primarily,
  • 00:48:14.781 --> 00:48:17.818
  • but it was about His love.
  • 00:48:17.818 --> 00:48:19.953
  • Just kind of wrapwith that little
  • 00:48:19.953 --> 00:48:22.556
  • minute or two testimonyof what happened.
  • 00:48:22.556 --> 00:48:24.191
  • - Well, I was an18 year old in...
  • 00:48:24.191 --> 00:48:26.626
  • I got born againwhen I was eight
  • 00:48:26.626 --> 00:48:28.195
  • and I just was doingall of these things.
  • 00:48:28.195 --> 00:48:30.497
  • - But, I was doingit out of debt,
  • 00:48:31.298 --> 00:48:34.267
  • out of obligation.
  • 00:48:34.267 --> 00:48:35.702
  • Hoping that I would do enough
  • 00:48:35.702 --> 00:48:37.404
  • that God would answer my prayer.
  • 00:48:37.404 --> 00:48:39.072
  • My dad died when I was 12.
  • 00:48:39.072 --> 00:48:40.607
  • I spent six months fastingand praying for him
  • 00:48:40.607 --> 00:48:43.377
  • before he died.
  • 00:48:43.377 --> 00:48:44.811
  • And I just felt like, well,
  • 00:48:44.811 --> 00:48:46.013
  • I didn't do enough.
  • 00:48:46.013 --> 00:48:47.180
  • If I would do more,
  • 00:48:47.180 --> 00:48:48.882
  • maybe something would happen.
  • 00:48:48.882 --> 00:48:50.384
  • And so I was in the midst ofbeing like on a treadmill.
  • 00:48:50.384 --> 00:48:54.821
  • We used to have this little poem
  • 00:48:54.821 --> 00:48:56.757
  • we would give aboutMary had a little lamb.
  • 00:48:56.757 --> 00:49:00.927
  • It would've been a sheep,
  • 00:49:00.927 --> 00:49:02.362
  • but it joined the Baptist Church
  • 00:49:02.362 --> 00:49:03.930
  • and died from lack of sleep.
  • 00:49:03.930 --> 00:49:05.766
  • (all laughing)
  • 00:49:05.766 --> 00:49:07.200
  • And that was so...
  • 00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:08.635
  • We were just giving everythingwe had to this stuff.
  • 00:49:08.635 --> 00:49:11.171
  • And so I was on this treadmill,
  • 00:49:11.171 --> 00:49:12.839
  • but when the Lord showed up,
  • 00:49:12.839 --> 00:49:14.841
  • what he first of all did
  • 00:49:14.841 --> 00:49:16.076
  • showed me what a hypocrite I was
  • 00:49:16.076 --> 00:49:18.145
  • because I wasn't doinga single thing for Him.
  • 00:49:18.145 --> 00:49:21.181
  • I was doing it all for me.
  • 00:49:21.181 --> 00:49:22.883
  • So that peoplecould give me credit
  • 00:49:22.883 --> 00:49:25.285
  • So that I could feel like Godnow you got to move in my life
  • 00:49:25.285 --> 00:49:28.455
  • and so I had to cometo the end of myself
  • 00:49:28.455 --> 00:49:31.091
  • before I could evenunderstand God's kind of love.
  • 00:49:31.091 --> 00:49:33.693
  • Because if you think God lovesyou based on your goodness,
  • 00:49:33.693 --> 00:49:37.597
  • you don't understandGod's love at all.
  • 00:49:37.597 --> 00:49:39.366
  • - At that time of your life,
  • 00:49:39.366 --> 00:49:41.501
  • did you feel like, I fastedand prayed six months
  • 00:49:41.501 --> 00:49:45.705
  • for my dad to live.
  • 00:49:45.705 --> 00:49:49.509
  • So I must've needed topray or fast seven months,
  • 00:49:49.509 --> 00:49:53.013
  • or eight months.
  • 00:49:53.013 --> 00:49:54.514
  • It was never enough, right?
  • 00:49:54.514 --> 00:49:56.049
  • - That's right.
  • 00:49:56.049 --> 00:49:57.551
  • And if you're trying to dosomething to earn God's love
  • 00:49:57.551 --> 00:50:00.020
  • you'll never do enough.
  • 00:50:00.020 --> 00:50:01.755
  • Satan is the accuserof the brethren
  • 00:50:01.755 --> 00:50:03.657
  • and he'll always find something.
  • 00:50:03.657 --> 00:50:05.592
  • Something.
  • 00:50:06.560 --> 00:50:07.494
  • - We've touched on this before,
  • 00:50:07.494 --> 00:50:08.995
  • but it feels like there's many
  • 00:50:08.995 --> 00:50:11.231
  • that feel like theywere in a movement
  • 00:50:11.231 --> 00:50:16.203
  • in the body of Christ.
  • 00:50:16.970 --> 00:50:18.638
  • Where somehow our prayerscomplete the work of the cross.
  • 00:50:18.638 --> 00:50:23.610
  • We don't complete thework of the cross.
  • 00:50:24.778 --> 00:50:25.712
  • - No.
  • 00:50:25.712 --> 00:50:26.546
  • - It is finished.
  • 00:50:26.546 --> 00:50:27.814
  • - Matter of fact, theonly thing we can do
  • 00:50:27.814 --> 00:50:29.082
  • is get in the way ofthe work of the cross.
  • 00:50:29.082 --> 00:50:30.617
  • - You're right.
  • 00:50:30.617 --> 00:50:31.551
  • - That's much better said.
  • 00:50:31.551 --> 00:50:32.786
  • So we are basically,
  • 00:50:32.786 --> 00:50:35.388
  • this whole one hour
  • 00:50:35.388 --> 00:50:37.324
  • has been really good stuff
  • 00:50:37.324 --> 00:50:39.793
  • but I think thefinal little thought.
  • 00:50:39.793 --> 00:50:42.729
  • Why don't you pray for somebody
  • 00:50:42.729 --> 00:50:46.133
  • that has this,
  • 00:50:46.133 --> 00:50:48.201
  • and you know, there's many.
  • 00:50:49.736 --> 00:50:52.105
  • That I didn't do enough.
  • 00:50:52.105 --> 00:50:54.608
  • My life is a mess becauseI did this or I did that,
  • 00:50:54.608 --> 00:50:59.412
  • or I didn't do this, orI didn't do that right.
  • 00:50:59.412 --> 00:51:03.150
  • And that's reallyfocusing on yourself.
  • 00:51:04.451 --> 00:51:07.821
  • You know, grace, as the gospelof grace came into our lives,
  • 00:51:07.821 --> 00:51:12.058
  • a number of years ago,
  • 00:51:12.058 --> 00:51:13.460
  • it made you forgetabout yourself
  • 00:51:13.460 --> 00:51:15.295
  • and go on and serve
  • 00:51:15.295 --> 00:51:16.429
  • and be a part of God's love.
  • 00:51:16.429 --> 00:51:20.033
  • And so you go and do whatGod's called you to do,
  • 00:51:20.033 --> 00:51:22.802
  • because you can walkaway from yourself.
  • 00:51:22.802 --> 00:51:26.173
  • There's a lot of peoplethat need to hear that.
  • 00:51:26.173 --> 00:51:28.842
  • Why don't you pray thatover this audience?
  • 00:51:28.842 --> 00:51:30.977
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:51:30.977 --> 00:51:32.245
  • I remember the last timewe were here sitting out
  • 00:51:32.245 --> 00:51:33.613
  • at the fire pitand Laurie was...
  • 00:51:33.613 --> 00:51:35.749
  • I was talking about prayer.
  • 00:51:35.749 --> 00:51:37.751
  • Better way to pray.
  • 00:51:37.751 --> 00:51:39.252
  • And Laurie was relating thatsometimes you get to thinking,
  • 00:51:39.252 --> 00:51:41.354
  • I've got to pray more inorder to be pleasing to God.
  • 00:51:41.354 --> 00:51:44.624
  • And that's not whatit's all about.
  • 00:51:44.624 --> 00:51:46.960
  • So father, I just degreewith Matt and Laurie
  • 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.396
  • and all of these people
  • 00:51:49.396 --> 00:51:51.431
  • and father, I'm asking you.
  • 00:51:51.431 --> 00:51:53.233
  • I don't know how youreveal things to me,
  • 00:51:53.233 --> 00:51:56.036
  • but I'm asking you throughthe power of the Holy spirit
  • 00:51:56.036 --> 00:51:58.705
  • to just speak topeople right now
  • 00:51:58.705 --> 00:52:01.508
  • and to get themout of themselves.
  • 00:52:01.508 --> 00:52:03.677
  • Out of thinking that there'ssomething they can do
  • 00:52:03.677 --> 00:52:05.812
  • to make themselves worthy.
  • 00:52:05.812 --> 00:52:08.181
  • And father, let them just
  • 00:52:08.181 --> 00:52:10.183
  • let you be glorified.
  • 00:52:10.183 --> 00:52:11.918
  • Your goodness, insteadof their goodness.
  • 00:52:11.918 --> 00:52:14.654
  • I pray against thatself-righteousness
  • 00:52:14.654 --> 00:52:17.324
  • and that father, wewould humble ourselves
  • 00:52:17.324 --> 00:52:19.326
  • and that we would justreceive this unconditional,
  • 00:52:19.326 --> 00:52:22.362
  • unearned love of God.
  • 00:52:22.362 --> 00:52:24.764
  • I release that towardspeople right now,
  • 00:52:24.764 --> 00:52:27.667
  • wherever they are.
  • 00:52:27.667 --> 00:52:29.269
  • And Holy spirit, Ijust depend upon you
  • 00:52:29.269 --> 00:52:31.972
  • to speak to them andminister to them right now.
  • 00:52:31.972 --> 00:52:35.242
  • And we agree, believe that thisis going to be the beginning
  • 00:52:35.242 --> 00:52:38.278
  • of eternal life,experiencing you
  • 00:52:38.278 --> 00:52:41.715
  • in a way that they'venever known before.
  • 00:52:41.715 --> 00:52:44.050
  • And we agree and receivethat in the name of Jesus.
  • 00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:47.420
  • Amen.
  • 00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:48.955
  • - One of the ways that itfeels like we really prove
  • 00:52:48.955 --> 00:52:51.591
  • that we understand this is,
  • 00:52:51.591 --> 00:52:53.793
  • we're having thisdiscussion about God's love
  • 00:52:53.793 --> 00:52:56.896
  • and we're all sitting here.
  • 00:52:56.896 --> 00:52:58.632
  • You're, you've been suedby the state of Colorado.
  • 00:52:58.632 --> 00:53:02.235
  • (Laurie laughing)
  • 00:53:02.235 --> 00:53:03.503
  • - I'm not sure whetherwe should applaud you
  • 00:53:03.503 --> 00:53:06.072
  • or you know.
  • 00:53:06.072 --> 00:53:07.374
  • - Condemn me.
  • 00:53:07.374 --> 00:53:08.475
  • (all laughing)
  • 00:53:08.475 --> 00:53:09.309
  • - Or feel sorry for you.
  • 00:53:09.309 --> 00:53:10.510
  • - I'm on the lamb.
  • 00:53:10.510 --> 00:53:11.344
  • - You know, but,
  • 00:53:11.344 --> 00:53:12.579
  • (laughing)
  • 00:53:12.579 --> 00:53:14.281
  • And so,
  • 00:53:14.281 --> 00:53:15.849
  • we're not sayingthere isn't drama
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  • going on there,
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  • but we've taken this one hour
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  • and focused on the mostimportant thing we can find.
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  • Your final thoughts onour subject as we go out.
  • 00:53:28.194 --> 00:53:32.032
  • - Once you to understandhow much God loves you.
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  • It just really makes it to wherenothing else even compares.
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  • And so like I used examplesof people rejecting me,
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  • it's not like I enjoypeople rejecting me,
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  • but it doesn'tmatter once you...
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  • If you are experiencing God'sfavor, it doesn't matter.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:53:50.684 --> 00:53:51.885
  • - Before Jamieand I got married,
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  • I used to worry aboutwhat other girls,
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  • you know, as a young kid.
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  • About whether they liked meor not and stuff like this.
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  • After I got married toJamie, I didn't care.
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  • I already had my mate.
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  • So I didn't care whetherthe other people liked me.
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  • If you are really experiencedin God's love for you,
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  • it'll set you free frombeing a man-pleaser.
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  • Fearful of man, fearof man has a snare,
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  • is what the scripturesays in Proverbs 29.
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  • And he just sets youfree in so many ways.
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  • - In the midst of lawsuits.
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  • - Absolutely.
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  • (Laurie laughing)
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  • - You're all good.
  • 00:54:23.550 --> 00:54:24.784
  • - And really just inthe last week or two,
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  • I've done this exact same thing.
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  • Man, I've gone backand said father,
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  • am I doing whatyou want me to do?
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  • And he assures me thatI'm taking a stand.
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  • Somebody needs to stand up.
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  • So if, if God's pleasedwith me, it doesn't matter
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  • whether I win the publicopinion poll or not.
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  • - Amen.
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  • - I love it.
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  • - Amen.
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  • (Laurie laughing)
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  • You don't need toworry about it either.
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  • - Okay. We'll see you next time.
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  • (upbeat music)
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