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November 4, 2016
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Matt & Laurie Crouch host 'Is This The End?' with Dr. David Jeremiah

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  • - David Jeremiah: But Almighty
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  • God, I mean, when you look up
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  • into heaven, the throne
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  • of heaven is not unoccupied.
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  • God is sitting there in control.
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  • Here's what I know.
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  • It's an age-old statement that I
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  • don't know what the future holds
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  • [music]
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  • - Matt Crouch: "Praise" today
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  • is asking a question.
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  • You say, sir?
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  • - David: Well, I don't think
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  • it's the end because there
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  • aren't any signs for the end
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  • as we know it as believers.
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  • But the Bible says we can know
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  • the season.
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  • In the New Testament people ask,
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  • when Jesus is coming back?"
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  • Of course not.
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  • Even when Jesus was on
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  • this earth, he did not know.
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  • He said only the Father knew.
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  • And the angels don't know.
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  • So when somebody tells you they
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  • know when Jesus is coming back,
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  • you know they haven't read
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  • the Bible because the Bible
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  • says that isn't true.
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  • But we can see the signs
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  • that it's getting closer.
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  • And, as you know, Matt,
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  • when Israel got back into her
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  • homeland, I mean, the clock was
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  • ticking and we've been watching
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  • it very carefully.
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  • Dr. David Jeremiah,
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  • asking the question
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  • people are asking,
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  • "Is this the end?"
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  • As we sat down for this
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  • interview to give this
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  • opportunity for you to get
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  • the book, all the information's
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  • on the screen.
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  • We want you to call
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  • the special 800-number.
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  • I don't know how your staff and
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  • our staff and the publisher's
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  • staff got this all coordinated
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  • but I'm very proud of what we're
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  • doing today because this book,
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  • today, as we're holding it and
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  • taping this, was just announced
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  • that it is a number one
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  • "New York Time" bestseller.
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  • We're holding it in our hand.
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  • Congratulations, Dr. Jeremiah.
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  • And we want you
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  • to have the book.
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  • So I don't know if this is ever
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  • gonna happen again where
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  • we're going to have a book
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  • in our hand, we're gonna have
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  • Dr. Jeremiah or anyone else
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  • sitting in that chair, and that
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  • everything's been coordinated.
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  • The operators are ready
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  • to take your call.
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  • Any gift to Trinity
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  • and the book is yours.
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  • We want this information
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  • and it's now number one.
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  • Okay, what do you want people
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  • ultimately to take away?
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  • Why do they need this book?
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  • - David: Well, you know, the
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  • little byline at the bottom of
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  • the book says that the
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  • providence of God is seen in all
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  • of these things.
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  • Somebody once told me that God's
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  • providence is like reading
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  • Hebrew, you have to read it
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  • backwards.
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  • You have to look back and see
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  • what God has done 'cause you
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  • can't know what he's going
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  • to do.
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  • But when you read these
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  • have some heavy things in them
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  • because we don't live in
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  • a free-for-all fun world.
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  • But in the midst of it all,
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  • God is at work.
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  • For instance, Matt, there's
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  • a chapter in there on revival.
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  • And people ask me do we think
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  • there could be another
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  • revival in our country?
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  • And what's so surprising to me
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  • is things have been a lot worse
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  • in America at several other
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  • times than they are now
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  • and I don't think people can
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  • realize that could possibly
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  • be true but it is and that's
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  • when God brings revival.
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  • When things are at the very
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  • bottom and there's no other hope
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  • and the political thing has gone
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  • crazy and there's no--you start
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  • to look up and God moves in
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  • and intervenes.
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  • So that's pretty encouraging
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  • to me.
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  • - Matt: As I was reading
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  • through "Is This the End?"
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  • you know, you made reference to
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  • the Great Depression, you made
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  • reference to World War II and,
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  • you know, you could even wind
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  • back to the Civil War period
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  • in America and
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  • the Revolutionary War period.
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  • There's been very, very, very
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  • dark and troubling times in
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  • America where people would have
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  • been asking, "Is this the end?"
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  • Okay, we seem to be at
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  • the precipice of that
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  • same question being asked.
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  • So, look, you've been around
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  • a little bit longer than Laurie
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  • and I, you've got a little more
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  • gray hair than I do although
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  • mine is turning gray
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  • astonishingly fast, and
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  • so you've weathered more storms
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  • than Laurie and I and what is
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  • your--what is the inside
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  • of Dr. Jeremiah telling you
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  • about is this the end?
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  • Because there's hope and there's
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  • in this book.
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  • - David: Absolutely.
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  • Yes, there is.
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  • And one of the most exciting
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  • things about revival is that
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  • there are basically five
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  • movements that have happened
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  • in our country, going back to
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  • the colonial period,
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  • as you mentioned, Matt.
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  • All of them have two things
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  • in common.
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  • They all came at a low point
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  • in culture and they all involved
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  • young people.
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  • And today, there's different
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  • ideas about young people
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  • but I'll tell you,
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  • that's where our hope lies.
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  • And that's where thing--for
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  • instance, one of my favorite
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  • stories is called "The Haystack
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  • Prayer Meeting," where a bunch
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  • of kids were trying to get out
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  • of a storm and they went into
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  • a barn and they had a prayer
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  • meeting in the haystack and they
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  • begin to pray and they told God
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  • they would go anywhere with
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  • the gospel he would send 'em.
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  • They went out of that prayer
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  • meeting and that was
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  • the beginning of
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  • the Modern Missions Movement.
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  • It started with a bunch of young
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  • people in a haystack.
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  • - Matt: Let me tell you--
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  • - Laurie Crouch: In a storm.
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  • - David: In a storm.
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  • - Matt: Let me tell you
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  • a really neat thing
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  • about young people.
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  • Ready?
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  • Now you are aware that you have
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  • gray hair, right?
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  • - David: I am very much aware
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  • of that, yes.
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  • - Matt: Okay, and do you have
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  • an AARP card?
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  • - David: No, I should have
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  • but I refuse to buy one
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  • out of resentment.
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  • - Matt: Okay, but I want you to
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  • know that out of our
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  • Hillsong Channel on TBN,
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  • on the Hillsong Channel
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  • which is primarily skewing
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  • a much younger audience
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  • than TBN, that you have one
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  • of the highest rated broadcasts
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  • on the Hillsong Channel, okay?
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  • So what that's really saying is
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  • that younger people, you know,
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  • in this 25 to 45 range,
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  • are wanting truth and they're
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  • wanting it from a seasoned
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  • veteran preacher.
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  • - Laurie: From a father figure.
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  • - Matt: So you're basically
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  • hitting not only with TBN and
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  • those of us that are of the age
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  • that we're watching TBN more
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  • than we're watching, you know,
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  • the Hillsong Channel or, you
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  • know, Youth Channel, but there
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  • is a major audience
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  • and you've hit a stride
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  • with a younger audience.
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  • So there's good news in this.
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  • - David: That's really
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  • encouraging to me and,
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  • obviously, I think what
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  • that says is that these kids
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  • want the truth.
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  • They don't want it varnished and
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  • candy-coated.
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  • They want you just to tell 'em
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  • the truth and do it with love
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  • in your heart and that's what
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  • we try to do.
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  • God's truth doesn't have
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  • an age barrier, does it?
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  • It's not just truth for these
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  • people.
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  • It's truth for the whole world.
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  • And so it works.
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  • - Matt: If you just tuned in,
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  • we are sitting with
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  • Dr. Jeremiah, Shadow Mountain's
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  • pastor right down in
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  • San Diego, California.
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  • And we are talking about
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  • a "New York Times"
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  • number one bestseller book.
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  • It is "People Are Asking
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  • 'Is This the End?'"
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  • And it's available by calling
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  • the 800-number.
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  • We coordinated this.
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  • I love doing this.
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  • The operators know why you're
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  • calling if you call the
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  • and it's there for you.
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  • Any gift to TBN and
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  • this "New York Time" number one
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  • bestseller by Dr. Jeremiah
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  • is on its way to you.
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  • You have a clip.
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  • - Laurie: I love--okay,
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  • right in the introduction of
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  • your book, you say,
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  • "Will America revive again?
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  • Will we reverse our descent
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  • and regain our respect,
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  • strength, and stability?
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  • Maybe, maybe not.
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  • But those are not the questions
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  • we should really be asking.
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  • If the survival of America and
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  • the stability of the world are
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  • sources of your hope, then
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  • your hope is sadly misplaced.
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  • The question you must address is
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  • whether--is not whether America
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  • and the world will regain their
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  • footing but how you will respond
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  • whether they do or not."
  • 00:08:01.070 --> 00:08:03.100
  • And that's what this book
  • 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:04.070
  • is about.
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  • - David: And you know what,
  • 00:08:05.090 --> 00:08:06.020
  • Laurie, one of the things
  • 00:08:06.020 --> 00:08:07.020
  • that's, you know, we've just
  • 00:08:07.020 --> 00:08:08.040
  • been through an election period
  • 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:09.210
  • that's been pretty difficult
  • 00:08:09.210 --> 00:08:12.090
  • and I see some of God's people
  • 00:08:12.090 --> 00:08:14.190
  • getting so fixated on it that
  • 00:08:14.190 --> 00:08:16.120
  • you almost feel like if their
  • 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.200
  • preferred result doesn't happen,
  • 00:08:19.020 --> 00:08:22.020
  • that their world is finished.
  • 00:08:22.020 --> 00:08:23.150
  • And I've been telling people
  • 00:08:23.150 --> 00:08:24.140
  • that on the day after
  • 00:08:24.140 --> 00:08:26.150
  • the election the sun's gonna
  • 00:08:26.150 --> 00:08:27.250
  • come up, the birds are gonna
  • 00:08:27.250 --> 00:08:29.120
  • sing, I'm gonna go to work
  • 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.080
  • and keep praising God.
  • 00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:31.240
  • And that's what we forget,
  • 00:08:33.290 --> 00:08:34.270
  • you know.
  • 00:08:34.270 --> 00:08:35.170
  • We play all of our games down
  • 00:08:35.170 --> 00:08:36.280
  • here and, obviously, we're all
  • 00:08:36.280 --> 00:08:38.090
  • trying to do what we think is
  • 00:08:38.090 --> 00:08:39.170
  • right but Almighty God, I mean,
  • 00:08:39.170 --> 00:08:41.200
  • when you look up into heaven,
  • 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:42.200
  • the throne of heaven
  • 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:43.280
  • is not unoccupied.
  • 00:08:43.280 --> 00:08:45.280
  • God is sitting there in control.
  • 00:08:45.280 --> 00:08:47.250
  • And so whatever he has for
  • 00:08:47.250 --> 00:08:49.250
  • us--one of the little statements
  • 00:08:49.250 --> 00:08:51.120
  • in that book, one of my favorite
  • 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:52.120
  • little statesmen, says,
  • 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:53.260
  • "When everybody thinks that
  • 00:08:53.260 --> 00:08:54.280
  • the spiritual life of America
  • 00:08:54.280 --> 00:08:56.080
  • has gone to the dogs,
  • 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:57.090
  • it's always the dog that dies."
  • 00:08:57.090 --> 00:09:00.100
  • [laughing]
  • 00:09:01.020 --> 00:09:04.020
  • Because somehow God brings it
  • 00:09:04.020 --> 00:09:05.190
  • back from the edge of oblivion
  • 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.240
  • and that's when God does his
  • 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.220
  • best work, when people have
  • 00:09:11.220 --> 00:09:13.040
  • lost hope in everything else.
  • 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:14.220
  • One of my--one of the friends
  • 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:16.160
  • that I have who I love to read,
  • 00:09:16.160 --> 00:09:17.220
  • he says, "God shows up
  • 00:09:17.220 --> 00:09:19.050
  • and God shows off.
  • 00:09:19.050 --> 00:09:20.260
  • And shows off his glory."
  • 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:22.080
  • And I believe we're on--we're
  • 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.260
  • in a place where we may see that
  • 00:09:24.260 --> 00:09:27.070
  • in these next days.
  • 00:09:27.070 --> 00:09:29.070
  • - Laurie: And you were talking
  • 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:30.000
  • about the five major things
  • 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.000
  • that's happened in America,
  • 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:33.100
  • starting with the youth and
  • 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:34.130
  • the young people.
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  • That's--
  • 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:36.110
  • - David: Right.
  • 00:09:36.110 --> 00:09:37.110
  • In fact, the only one of those
  • 00:09:37.110 --> 00:09:38.150
  • revivals that I know about and
  • 00:09:38.150 --> 00:09:40.070
  • remember is the Jesus Movement
  • 00:09:40.070 --> 00:09:41.230
  • and we all remember that.
  • 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:42.270
  • And the Jesus Movement,
  • 00:09:42.270 --> 00:09:44.260
  • Billy Graham was
  • 00:09:44.260 --> 00:09:45.270
  • a Grand Marshall
  • 00:09:45.270 --> 00:09:46.240
  • of the Rose Parade not too far
  • 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.090
  • from where we're having this
  • 00:09:48.090 --> 00:09:49.100
  • conversation and he was driving
  • 00:09:49.100 --> 00:09:51.090
  • through this and he noticed all
  • 00:09:51.090 --> 00:09:53.010
  • these kids with their hands up
  • 00:09:53.010 --> 00:09:54.260
  • in the air, going one way.
  • 00:09:54.260 --> 00:09:56.180
  • And he was pretty down on what
  • 00:09:56.180 --> 00:09:58.170
  • was going on within--he was
  • 00:09:58.170 --> 00:10:00.070
  • so overwhelmed by that,
  • 00:10:00.070 --> 00:10:01.270
  • he wrote a book called,
  • 00:10:01.270 --> 00:10:03.150
  • "The Jesus Generation," and it--
  • 00:10:03.150 --> 00:10:05.090
  • and that's why we--it started
  • 00:10:05.090 --> 00:10:07.020
  • all the praise music.
  • 00:10:07.020 --> 00:10:08.100
  • One writer that I read said,
  • 00:10:08.100 --> 00:10:10.080
  • "That revival swept all these
  • 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.090
  • people in the Pacific Ocean
  • 00:10:12.090 --> 00:10:13.110
  • to get baptized."
  • 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:15.000
  • And then they began filling up
  • 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:15.270
  • churches like Chuck Smith's
  • 00:10:15.270 --> 00:10:17.040
  • church and the praise and
  • 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:18.290
  • worship music that so dominates
  • 00:10:18.290 --> 00:10:20.220
  • the culture today
  • 00:10:20.220 --> 00:10:21.210
  • came out of that.
  • 00:10:21.210 --> 00:10:22.280
  • Once again, young people.
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  • - Matt: Okay.
  • 00:10:24.170 --> 00:10:26.000
  • You're--when you're talking
  • 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.130
  • about, in the book that
  • 00:10:27.130 --> 00:10:30.130
  • It's available to you.
  • 00:10:33.020 --> 00:10:34.010
  • "People Are Asking,
  • 00:10:35.210 --> 00:10:36.160
  • 'Is This the End?'"
  • 00:10:36.160 --> 00:10:38.070
  • You're really writing from
  • 00:10:38.070 --> 00:10:41.020
  • a perspective, I think,
  • 00:10:41.020 --> 00:10:42.130
  • if we use a theological term,
  • 00:10:42.130 --> 00:10:44.080
  • really the sovereignty of God.
  • 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.110
  • - David: Absolutely.
  • 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:47.050
  • - Matt: So hope is going to be
  • 00:10:47.290 --> 00:10:50.290
  • alive and kindled in people's
  • 00:10:50.290 --> 00:10:52.120
  • hearts when they have
  • 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:53.200
  • an understanding of
  • 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:54.220
  • the sovereignty of God.
  • 00:10:54.220 --> 00:10:55.170
  • You know, Uncle Sam may be
  • 00:10:55.170 --> 00:10:58.060
  • our uncle; he'll never be
  • 00:10:58.060 --> 00:10:59.140
  • our Father, okay?
  • 00:10:59.140 --> 00:11:00.270
  • And so we have a Father,
  • 00:11:00.270 --> 00:11:02.200
  • God the Father.
  • 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.170
  • And so ultimately, talk to us
  • 00:11:05.030 --> 00:11:08.030
  • and our television audience
  • 00:11:08.030 --> 00:11:09.270
  • about a very seasoned view
  • 00:11:09.290 --> 00:11:12.290
  • on the sovereignty of God.
  • 00:11:12.290 --> 00:11:14.080
  • There's real hope there.
  • 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.050
  • - David: Well, this book is
  • 00:11:15.050 --> 00:11:17.040
  • divided into two sections.
  • 00:11:17.040 --> 00:11:18.170
  • The first part of the book
  • 00:11:18.170 --> 00:11:19.230
  • is--asks the question, kind of,
  • 00:11:20.050 --> 00:11:23.050
  • "Is God finished with America?"
  • 00:11:23.050 --> 00:11:25.110
  • And the second part asks
  • 00:11:25.110 --> 00:11:26.180
  • the question, "Is God finished
  • 00:11:26.180 --> 00:11:27.220
  • with the world?"
  • 00:11:27.220 --> 00:11:28.220
  • And I purposely put at the end
  • 00:11:28.220 --> 00:11:30.150
  • of the first section this whole
  • 00:11:30.150 --> 00:11:31.280
  • chapter on revival and what
  • 00:11:31.280 --> 00:11:33.100
  • happens when a nation returns
  • 00:11:33.100 --> 00:11:35.180
  • to God and God gives them
  • 00:11:35.180 --> 00:11:37.170
  • several years of renewal.
  • 00:11:37.170 --> 00:11:39.060
  • At the end of the second half,
  • 00:11:39.060 --> 00:11:41.030
  • "Is God finished
  • 00:11:41.030 --> 00:11:42.110
  • with the world?"
  • 00:11:42.110 --> 00:11:43.050
  • there's a couple of chapters
  • 00:11:43.050 --> 00:11:44.200
  • on the Rapture and what's gonna
  • 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.020
  • happen when Christ comes back.
  • 00:11:46.020 --> 00:11:47.190
  • Either way, we win.
  • 00:11:47.190 --> 00:11:49.090
  • But in every chapter,
  • 00:11:49.090 --> 00:11:50.230
  • there's this hope that God
  • 00:11:50.230 --> 00:11:52.240
  • holds out for those of us.
  • 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.240
  • One of the most controversial
  • 00:11:55.060 --> 00:11:58.060
  • things that's happened in recent
  • 00:11:58.060 --> 00:11:59.190
  • months is the whole discussion
  • 00:11:59.190 --> 00:12:01.010
  • about immigration and that
  • 00:12:01.010 --> 00:12:03.220
  • anybody would be so crazy as to
  • 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:05.190
  • write a chapter on that,
  • 00:12:05.190 --> 00:12:07.000
  • they'd look at me, but I wrote
  • 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:07.290
  • a chapter called,
  • 00:12:07.290 --> 00:12:08.250
  • "The Bleeding of the Borders."
  • 00:12:08.250 --> 00:12:10.010
  • And everybody talks about all
  • 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:13.250
  • the issues with that but, Matt,
  • 00:12:13.250 --> 00:12:15.230
  • listen to this, God told his
  • 00:12:15.230 --> 00:12:17.230
  • people to go into all the world
  • 00:12:17.230 --> 00:12:19.050
  • and preach the gospel
  • 00:12:19.050 --> 00:12:20.030
  • and we haven't done it all
  • 00:12:20.030 --> 00:12:20.260
  • that great so he dumped them
  • 00:12:20.260 --> 00:12:22.000
  • at the front of our door.
  • 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.140
  • He just said, "Okay, if you
  • 00:12:23.140 --> 00:12:24.080
  • won't go where they are,
  • 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.140
  • I'll put them where you are."
  • 00:12:25.140 --> 00:12:26.270
  • So I live in El Cajon where we
  • 00:12:26.270 --> 00:12:28.270
  • have the highest number of Iraqi
  • 00:12:28.270 --> 00:12:30.170
  • citizens in the United States of
  • 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:32.260
  • America and we have now started
  • 00:12:32.260 --> 00:12:35.030
  • an Arabic church.
  • 00:12:35.030 --> 00:12:36.150
  • We have Hispanics everywhere.
  • 00:12:36.150 --> 00:12:38.020
  • We have an Hispanic church so,
  • 00:12:38.020 --> 00:12:39.160
  • you know, we need to figure out
  • 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:41.050
  • what the answers are to these
  • 00:12:41.050 --> 00:12:42.140
  • questions but, in the meantime,
  • 00:12:42.140 --> 00:12:44.000
  • these people need Jesus Christ.
  • 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.000
  • - Matt: Yes, they do.
  • 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:46.220
  • - David: And if we don't go
  • 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:47.130
  • to them with the gospel,
  • 00:12:47.130 --> 00:12:48.080
  • we're derelict.
  • 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:49.150
  • We're--we sit around and talk
  • 00:12:49.150 --> 00:12:50.220
  • about all the nuances of
  • 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:52.000
  • the issue while these people are
  • 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.140
  • all hovering around our
  • 00:12:53.140 --> 00:12:55.030
  • churches, wondering, "What is
  • 00:12:55.030 --> 00:12:56.070
  • the matter with these people?"
  • 00:12:56.070 --> 00:12:57.220
  • And so, to me, I think
  • 00:12:57.220 --> 00:12:59.100
  • this--it's a great opportunity
  • 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:01.290
  • that God has given us to reach
  • 00:13:01.290 --> 00:13:04.020
  • people from every walk of life.
  • 00:13:04.020 --> 00:13:06.220
  • You know, I know TBN's audience
  • 00:13:06.220 --> 00:13:08.230
  • come to do a "Praise" thing I
  • 00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:12.040
  • look out, it seems like there's
  • 00:13:12.040 --> 00:13:13.140
  • somebody there from everywhere
  • 00:13:13.140 --> 00:13:14.110
  • in the world.
  • 00:13:14.110 --> 00:13:15.090
  • And that's the way it should be.
  • 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:16.150
  • And that's the world God has
  • 00:13:16.150 --> 00:13:18.060
  • called us to reach.
  • 00:13:18.060 --> 00:13:19.260
  • And that book that you hold
  • 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:21.060
  • in your hands tells us a lot
  • 00:13:21.060 --> 00:13:22.170
  • about that.
  • 00:13:22.170 --> 00:13:24.000
  • - Matt: Okay, a moment ago
  • 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.000
  • you hit a tripwire for us.
  • 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.230
  • You said the word Rapture, okay?
  • 00:13:27.230 --> 00:13:30.000
  • And so I'm holding a book that
  • 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.240
  • says, "Is This the End?"
  • 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.190
  • and then he said
  • 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:35.050
  • the word Rapture.
  • 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:36.030
  • So stay tuned.
  • 00:13:36.030 --> 00:13:37.050
  • I think you're prepared to set
  • 00:13:37.050 --> 00:13:38.030
  • a date for the Lord's return.
  • 00:13:38.030 --> 00:13:39.270
  • - Laurie: He's already talked
  • 00:13:39.270 --> 00:13:40.220
  • about that.
  • 00:13:40.220 --> 00:13:42.210
  • - Matt: So but go to
  • 00:13:42.210 --> 00:13:44.010
  • the 800-number and get the book,
  • 00:13:44.010 --> 00:13:45.160
  • "New York Times" number one
  • 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:46.150
  • bestseller.
  • 00:13:46.150 --> 00:13:47.100
  • Okay, let's talk about that
  • 00:13:47.100 --> 00:13:49.110
  • for a minute.
  • 00:13:49.110 --> 00:13:51.030
  • There's a lot of people, if I
  • 00:13:51.060 --> 00:13:54.060
  • wind the clock back a few years
  • 00:13:54.060 --> 00:13:56.220
  • and my dad was sitting here
  • 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:58.170
  • with us and you said the word
  • 00:13:58.170 --> 00:14:00.170
  • Rapture, he'd make you, you
  • 00:14:00.170 --> 00:14:02.050
  • So where do you see inside of
  • 00:14:05.050 --> 00:14:08.050
  • this kind of concept that you
  • 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:11.100
  • wrote about and it's hard for
  • 00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:13.130
  • anybody to write a book.
  • 00:14:13.130 --> 00:14:14.250
  • I'm sure it was hard for you to
  • 00:14:14.250 --> 00:14:15.170
  • write a book.
  • 00:14:15.170 --> 00:14:16.070
  • You labor to write books and,
  • 00:14:16.070 --> 00:14:17.190
  • okay, but inside of the season
  • 00:14:17.190 --> 00:14:19.220
  • of writing this book, where do
  • 00:14:19.220 --> 00:14:20.240
  • you see the end times?
  • 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:23.000
  • - David: Well, you know, the
  • 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:23.220
  • Bible tells us very clearly that
  • 00:14:23.220 --> 00:14:25.180
  • the Rapture is the next major
  • 00:14:25.180 --> 00:14:27.170
  • event on the prophetic calendar.
  • 00:14:27.170 --> 00:14:29.160
  • And the Bible teaches that it is
  • 00:14:29.160 --> 00:14:31.170
  • an event that has no precedent.
  • 00:14:31.170 --> 00:14:34.120
  • It is an imminent event which
  • 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.220
  • means it could happen at any
  • 00:14:36.220 --> 00:14:38.180
  • time: while we're sitting here,
  • 00:14:38.180 --> 00:14:39.240
  • while I'm on my way back
  • 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.030
  • to where I live.
  • 00:14:41.030 --> 00:14:42.020
  • It could happen at any time,
  • 00:14:42.020 --> 00:14:43.240
  • but nothing needs to happen
  • 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:44.260
  • before the Rapture occurs.
  • 00:14:44.260 --> 00:14:46.050
  • If something needs to happen,
  • 00:14:46.050 --> 00:14:47.230
  • then it's not imminent.
  • 00:14:47.230 --> 00:14:49.080
  • So the Bible tells us that we're
  • 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.180
  • to be ready and every passage in
  • 00:14:51.180 --> 00:14:54.050
  • the New Testament where you have
  • 00:14:54.050 --> 00:14:55.170
  • prophecy, you have a practical
  • 00:14:55.170 --> 00:14:57.190
  • application for that prophecy
  • 00:14:57.190 --> 00:14:58.260
  • tucked in the context.
  • 00:14:58.260 --> 00:15:00.190
  • People just don't see 'em,
  • 00:15:00.190 --> 00:15:01.260
  • they don't read 'em.
  • 00:15:01.260 --> 00:15:02.250
  • For instance, "Let not your
  • 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:03.280
  • heart be troubled.
  • 00:15:03.280 --> 00:15:05.090
  • You believe in God,
  • 00:15:05.090 --> 00:15:06.060
  • believe also in me.
  • 00:15:06.060 --> 00:15:07.220
  • In my Father's house
  • 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:08.160
  • there are many mansions.
  • 00:15:08.160 --> 00:15:09.170
  • If it were not so, I would--"
  • 00:15:09.170 --> 00:15:10.240
  • So what is the first--what are
  • 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:11.180
  • the first two words?
  • 00:15:11.180 --> 00:15:12.190
  • "Don't be troubled."
  • 00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:13.280
  • The Bible teaches us how
  • 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:15.040
  • to respond to all of this.
  • 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:16.170
  • And what I teach and what I
  • 00:15:16.170 --> 00:15:18.010
  • believe is that Christians need
  • 00:15:18.010 --> 00:15:19.190
  • to understand that Jesus Christ
  • 00:15:19.190 --> 00:15:21.100
  • is coming back and he could come
  • 00:15:21.100 --> 00:15:23.050
  • back at any moment, especially
  • 00:15:23.050 --> 00:15:24.270
  • because Israel's in her land,
  • 00:15:24.270 --> 00:15:26.220
  • the clock is ticking.
  • 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:27.190
  • Nothing needs to happen.
  • 00:15:27.190 --> 00:15:29.020
  • He may not come back
  • 00:15:29.020 --> 00:15:30.000
  • for a long time.
  • 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:30.290
  • But he may come back tomorrow.
  • 00:15:30.290 --> 00:15:32.100
  • And the Christian's
  • 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:33.260
  • responsibility is to be ready
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  • and to live our lives
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  • with a sense of urgency.
  • 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:37.230
  • Matt, I have greater sense of
  • 00:15:37.230 --> 00:15:40.000
  • urgency about what God has
  • 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:41.110
  • called me to do now than I have
  • 00:15:41.110 --> 00:15:42.100
  • ever had in my life, after all
  • 00:15:42.100 --> 00:15:44.220
  • these years of serving the Lord,
  • 00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:45.170
  • because I believe that God still
  • 00:15:45.190 --> 00:15:48.190
  • wants to take many people to
  • 00:15:48.190 --> 00:15:50.050
  • heaven that haven't yet found
  • 00:15:50.050 --> 00:15:51.120
  • faith in Christ and it's our job
  • 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.080
  • to do what you're doing.
  • 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:54.230
  • - Matt: Help me--help me with
  • 00:15:54.230 --> 00:15:56.260
  • two things that, if you aren't
  • 00:15:56.260 --> 00:15:59.130
  • real sure, it could seem
  • 00:16:00.190 --> 00:16:03.190
  • contradictory, okay?
  • 00:16:03.190 --> 00:16:05.130
  • So I want you to help explain it
  • 00:16:05.130 --> 00:16:07.150
  • and make it not contradictory.
  • 00:16:07.230 --> 00:16:10.230
  • So the Bible declares that
  • 00:16:10.230 --> 00:16:13.110
  • the Rapture, in one sense,
  • 00:16:15.130 --> 00:16:18.130
  • that times will become darker
  • 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:21.220
  • and more evil and then we
  • 00:16:21.220 --> 00:16:24.130
  • will somewhat be raptured out.
  • 00:16:24.130 --> 00:16:27.110
  • At the same time, when things
  • 00:16:27.290 --> 00:16:30.290
  • get dark, that has ushered in
  • 00:16:31.030 --> 00:16:34.030
  • five major revivals that
  • 00:16:34.030 --> 00:16:36.110
  • we've discussed earlier
  • 00:16:36.110 --> 00:16:37.230
  • in this broadcast.
  • 00:16:37.230 --> 00:16:38.240
  • So help make sure that if we
  • 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.030
  • pray for revival, we're not
  • 00:16:41.030 --> 00:16:43.120
  • keeping, you know, the end times
  • 00:16:43.270 --> 00:16:46.270
  • from coming.
  • 00:16:46.270 --> 00:16:49.020
  • In other words, if it's supposed
  • 00:16:49.020 --> 00:16:50.120
  • to get bad, is--are we supposed
  • 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:51.150
  • to just kind of walk away
  • 00:16:51.150 --> 00:16:53.030
  • and let it go down the chute
  • 00:16:53.030 --> 00:16:54.020
  • and--okay.
  • 00:16:54.020 --> 00:16:55.110
  • Help everyone with that.
  • 00:16:55.110 --> 00:16:57.000
  • - David: Here's the deal, Matt.
  • 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.080
  • Why would you want to pray for
  • 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:59.190
  • revival if you thought that
  • 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:01.270
  • you might get the Rapture?
  • 00:17:01.270 --> 00:17:03.190
  • I mean, the Rapture's gonna
  • 00:17:03.190 --> 00:17:04.120
  • be the greatest thing
  • 00:17:04.120 --> 00:17:05.110
  • that ever happened.
  • 00:17:05.110 --> 00:17:06.050
  • for revival, it's so that you
  • 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:10.100
  • can have more time to share
  • 00:17:10.100 --> 00:17:11.180
  • the gospel and take more people
  • 00:17:11.180 --> 00:17:13.040
  • to heaven with you.
  • 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:14.190
  • If the Rapture came today,
  • 00:17:14.190 --> 00:17:16.030
  • those who have not received
  • 00:17:16.030 --> 00:17:16.260
  • Christ are gonna be left behind,
  • 00:17:16.260 --> 00:17:18.170
  • to use the very familiar phrase.
  • 00:17:18.170 --> 00:17:20.120
  • And that's not our hope
  • 00:17:20.120 --> 00:17:22.120
  • and our goal.
  • 00:17:22.120 --> 00:17:23.160
  • So we pray for revival
  • 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.040
  • so that we may have more time
  • 00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:27.050
  • to preach the gospel.
  • 00:17:27.050 --> 00:17:28.230
  • I mean, you've built this
  • 00:17:28.230 --> 00:17:29.280
  • incredible network that just
  • 00:17:29.280 --> 00:17:31.070
  • covers the earth and every time
  • 00:17:31.070 --> 00:17:33.060
  • that network is live,
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:34.210
  • somebody's hearing the gospel
  • 00:17:34.210 --> 00:17:36.040
  • and somebody's coming to Christ.
  • 00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:37.230
  • And we want as many people--and,
  • 00:17:37.230 --> 00:17:39.220
  • you know, the thing that you
  • 00:17:39.220 --> 00:17:41.080
  • read in the New Testament is
  • 00:17:41.080 --> 00:17:42.060
  • that God wants them too.
  • 00:17:42.060 --> 00:17:43.230
  • It says, "I will come and
  • 00:17:43.230 --> 00:17:45.080
  • get you that where I am
  • 00:17:45.080 --> 00:17:46.100
  • there you may be also."
  • 00:17:46.100 --> 00:17:47.280
  • God wants us to be with him.
  • 00:17:47.280 --> 00:17:48.280
  • He wants his people to come
  • 00:17:48.280 --> 00:17:50.120
  • and be with him.
  • 00:17:50.120 --> 00:17:51.120
  • But the gospel
  • 00:17:51.120 --> 00:17:52.170
  • has to be preached.
  • 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:53.260
  • So we pray for revival that
  • 00:17:53.260 --> 00:17:55.130
  • we might have more time
  • 00:17:55.130 --> 00:17:56.210
  • to preach the gospel.
  • 00:17:56.210 --> 00:17:58.000
  • And obviously, we want
  • 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:58.240
  • the benefits of the revival
  • 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:00.090
  • today as well.
  • 00:18:00.090 --> 00:18:01.180
  • But the Rapture's the ultimate
  • 00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:03.040
  • about all these questions like
  • 00:18:05.060 --> 00:18:06.250
  • you ask, these hard questions,
  • 00:18:06.250 --> 00:18:08.060
  • and I know that God has it
  • 00:18:08.060 --> 00:18:09.150
  • all figured out.
  • 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:10.160
  • When it's time for the Rapture,
  • 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:11.230
  • the trumpet will sound and
  • 00:18:11.230 --> 00:18:13.200
  • the dead in Christ will rise and
  • 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.060
  • we'll be caught up together with
  • 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:16.050
  • him and we'll be with the Lord.
  • 00:18:16.050 --> 00:18:17.170
  • In the meantime, I'm to work.
  • 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:20.240
  • One person told me you should
  • 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.010
  • pray as if it all depended
  • 00:18:23.010 --> 00:18:24.110
  • upon God, and work like it
  • 00:18:24.110 --> 00:18:25.130
  • all depended on you.
  • 00:18:25.130 --> 00:18:26.230
  • And that's where we are
  • 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:27.290
  • in our ministry.
  • 00:18:27.290 --> 00:18:29.070
  • - Laurie: You know,
  • 00:18:29.070 --> 00:18:30.010
  • the apathy in America is, like,
  • 00:18:30.010 --> 00:18:31.190
  • at a level I've never seen it.
  • 00:18:31.190 --> 00:18:33.140
  • Have you ever seen--
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  • - David: No, and it's not
  • 00:18:34.130 --> 00:18:36.030
  • just about one thing, Laurie.
  • 00:18:36.030 --> 00:18:37.100
  • It's about a lot of things.
  • 00:18:37.100 --> 00:18:38.090
  • - Laurie: Oh, it's about, like,
  • 00:18:38.090 --> 00:18:39.010
  • everything, yeah.
  • 00:18:39.010 --> 00:18:39.230
  • What do you see as some of
  • 00:18:39.230 --> 00:18:40.150
  • the major issues in America
  • 00:18:40.150 --> 00:18:41.290
  • right now?
  • 00:18:41.290 --> 00:18:43.010
  • - David: Well, first of all,
  • 00:18:43.010 --> 00:18:44.290
  • you mentioned apathy.
  • 00:18:44.290 --> 00:18:45.270
  • I love that word because it's
  • 00:18:45.270 --> 00:18:47.000
  • made up of two words, the word
  • 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.180
  • pathos which means passion and
  • 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:51.150
  • then the little "a" in front
  • 00:18:51.150 --> 00:18:52.260
  • of it means without.
  • 00:18:52.260 --> 00:18:54.150
  • So apathy is without passion.
  • 00:18:54.150 --> 00:18:56.210
  • And parents are without passion
  • 00:18:56.210 --> 00:18:58.250
  • for their kids, people
  • 00:18:58.250 --> 00:19:00.120
  • are without passion
  • 00:19:00.120 --> 00:19:01.130
  • for their churches.
  • 00:19:01.130 --> 00:19:02.160
  • You know, there's a lack of--
  • 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.110
  • because they're overwhelmed
  • 00:19:04.110 --> 00:19:06.110
  • with all that's going on.
  • 00:19:06.110 --> 00:19:07.290
  • They just lose their passion.
  • 00:19:07.290 --> 00:19:09.130
  • And so that's one of the issues.
  • 00:19:09.130 --> 00:19:12.130
  • I mean, the main issue that
  • 00:19:12.130 --> 00:19:14.080
  • we're facing right now is being
  • 00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:15.250
  • overrun, our borders being
  • 00:19:15.250 --> 00:19:18.160
  • overrun, and we don't know
  • 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:19.200
  • what's going on and obviously,
  • 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.030
  • as I mentioned, we're gonna win
  • 00:19:21.030 --> 00:19:22.040
  • these people to Christ
  • 00:19:22.040 --> 00:19:23.050
  • but it's still an issue.
  • 00:19:23.050 --> 00:19:24.270
  • We have--one of the issues we
  • 00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:27.120
  • haven't mentioned is the growing
  • 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:29.030
  • persecution of believers.
  • 00:19:29.030 --> 00:19:31.160
  • You know, one of the phrases
  • 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.020
  • I like to use is that,
  • 00:19:33.020 --> 00:19:34.090
  • are Christians being persecuted?
  • 00:19:34.090 --> 00:19:36.070
  • They're being squeezed by
  • 00:19:36.070 --> 00:19:38.060
  • litigation, by stereotyping,
  • 00:19:38.060 --> 00:19:40.180
  • by intimidation.
  • 00:19:40.180 --> 00:19:42.040
  • And there's a lot of stories in
  • 00:19:42.040 --> 00:19:43.280
  • that book about things that have
  • 00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:45.040
  • happened just in recent days
  • 00:19:45.040 --> 00:19:46.200
  • to push Christians into a corner
  • 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.030
  • and keep them from expressing
  • 00:19:49.030 --> 00:19:51.060
  • their faith.
  • 00:19:51.060 --> 00:19:52.130
  • I'm sure you face these things
  • 00:19:52.130 --> 00:19:53.270
  • even from the standpoint of what
  • 00:19:53.270 --> 00:19:55.260
  • people are trying to do to quiet
  • 00:19:55.260 --> 00:19:58.140
  • down the big voice of TBN.
  • 00:19:58.140 --> 00:20:01.000
  • So there's just a lot of issues,
  • 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.010
  • all of 'em at once and they're
  • 00:20:03.010 --> 00:20:04.290
  • kind of gathering as this storm.
  • 00:20:04.290 --> 00:20:06.120
  • And we're left in the middle
  • 00:20:06.120 --> 00:20:08.130
  • of it, trying to ask God
  • 00:20:08.130 --> 00:20:10.110
  • to show--somebody asked me
  • 00:20:10.110 --> 00:20:12.000
  • the other day,
  • 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:12.260
  • "How can I pray for you?"
  • 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:15.080
  • And I said, "Pray for wisdom,"
  • 00:20:15.080 --> 00:20:17.030
  • because you know what wisdom is?
  • 00:20:17.030 --> 00:20:18.060
  • Wisdom is the ability to know
  • 00:20:18.060 --> 00:20:20.250
  • what to do when there is no
  • 00:20:20.250 --> 00:20:21.220
  • precedent.
  • 00:20:21.220 --> 00:20:23.000
  • And there is no precedent
  • 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:24.150
  • for half the stuff you and I
  • 00:20:24.150 --> 00:20:25.270
  • are facing and we need wisdom
  • 00:20:25.270 --> 00:20:27.130
  • because we don't have
  • 00:20:27.130 --> 00:20:28.220
  • anything to look back on.
  • 00:20:28.220 --> 00:20:29.260
  • There's never been a time like
  • 00:20:29.260 --> 00:20:30.290
  • this in our lifetime
  • 00:20:30.290 --> 00:20:32.160
  • so we need God's wisdom.
  • 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.160
  • - Matt: The book is entitled,
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  • "People Are Asking,
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  • 'Is This the End?'"
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  • It's Dr. David Jeremiah's
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  • "New York Time"
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  • number one bestseller.
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  • I don't know how God
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  • orchestrated all that but that
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  • news came to us as we sat down
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  • to do that interview--
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  • schedule, our schedule, you
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  • know, the publisher's schedule,
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  • and the announcement that it is
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  • now a number one "New York Time"
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  • bestseller.
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  • I'm not sure that's ever gonna
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  • happen again, but I'm glad it
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  • happened once and I'm glad it
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  • happened right now.
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  • You're watching the "Praise"
  • 00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:23.160
  • program with Dr. David Jeremiah.
  • 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.160
  • Let's go back into
  • 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:26.150
  • the Appel Center
  • 00:21:26.150 --> 00:21:27.040
  • - male announcer: The apathy
  • 00:21:29.080 --> 00:21:30.090
  • of America.
  • 00:21:30.090 --> 00:21:32.020
  • - David: I just look up and
  • 00:21:32.020 --> 00:21:33.020
  • I'm reminded that every place
  • 00:21:33.020 --> 00:21:35.000
  • in the Bible where
  • 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:35.290
  • there's a prophetic passage
  • 00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:37.110
  • in that very context
  • 00:21:37.110 --> 00:21:39.030
  • is a passage of Scripture that
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:40.240
  • Have you ever noticed that?
  • 00:21:42.280 --> 00:21:44.090
  • Here's one in John 14,
  • 00:21:44.090 --> 00:21:45.270
  • "Let not your heart be troubled;
  • 00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:49.140
  • you believe in God,
  • 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:50.130
  • believe also in Me.
  • 00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:51.140
  • In My Father's house are many
  • 00:21:51.140 --> 00:21:52.150
  • mansions; if it weren't so,
  • 00:21:52.150 --> 00:21:53.250
  • I'd tell you.
  • 00:21:53.250 --> 00:21:55.020
  • and I'm gonna go prepare a place
  • 00:21:55.020 --> 00:21:55.290
  • for you.
  • 00:21:55.290 --> 00:21:56.220
  • And when I go and prepare
  • 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:57.180
  • a place for you, I'm gonna come
  • 00:21:57.180 --> 00:21:58.170
  • and receive you to Myself;
  • 00:21:58.170 --> 00:21:59.190
  • that where I am,
  • 00:21:59.190 --> 00:22:00.170
  • there you might be also."
  • 00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:01.220
  • But what is the admonition?
  • 00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:03.090
  • Don't let your heart be
  • 00:22:03.090 --> 00:22:05.260
  • troubled.
  • 00:22:05.260 --> 00:22:07.060
  • Almighty God's got it
  • 00:22:07.060 --> 00:22:08.010
  • in control, amen?
  • 00:22:08.010 --> 00:22:09.050
  • And over and over in the Bible,
  • 00:22:09.050 --> 00:22:11.140
  • when you see that, you begin to
  • 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:14.000
  • realize--you begin to realize
  • 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:15.140
  • that the future is like
  • 00:22:15.140 --> 00:22:16.230
  • an anchor.
  • 00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:17.260
  • I like to think of it this way.
  • 00:22:17.260 --> 00:22:19.140
  • God's promises of the future
  • 00:22:19.140 --> 00:22:20.250
  • are like an anchor.
  • 00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:21.270
  • And you know where that anchor
  • 00:22:21.270 --> 00:22:22.290
  • is?
  • 00:22:22.290 --> 00:22:23.140
  • It's wrapped around the throne
  • 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:24.220
  • of God in heaven.
  • 00:22:24.220 --> 00:22:25.190
  • And I got a hold of the other
  • 00:22:25.190 --> 00:22:26.180
  • end of the line and I'm safe
  • 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:28.120
  • because my future
  • 00:22:28.120 --> 00:22:29.190
  • is secure in heaven.
  • 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.200
  • - announcer: The remedy
  • 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.060
  • of revival.
  • 00:22:34.060 --> 00:22:36.100
  • - David: My thought is, "Lord,
  • 00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:37.130
  • if you did it once, do it again.
  • 00:22:37.130 --> 00:22:39.250
  • If you did it two or three
  • 00:22:39.250 --> 00:22:40.220
  • times, let us be the next one."
  • 00:22:40.220 --> 00:22:42.140
  • Because if we don't have
  • 00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:43.230
  • something like that happen in
  • 00:22:43.230 --> 00:22:45.000
  • our culture today, our ability
  • 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.110
  • to try to fix what's messed up
  • 00:22:47.110 --> 00:22:48.290
  • in this nation
  • 00:22:48.290 --> 00:22:50.050
  • is not gonna get it done.
  • 00:22:50.050 --> 00:22:51.170
  • We need an intervention, an
  • 00:22:51.170 --> 00:22:53.160
  • intervention from Almighty God
  • 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.160
  • like he's intervened in times
  • 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.050
  • past in this nation.
  • 00:22:57.050 --> 00:22:59.270
  • We are at a place not where
  • 00:22:59.270 --> 00:23:01.220
  • we should despair but where
  • 00:23:01.220 --> 00:23:03.040
  • we should look with great
  • 00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:04.060
  • anticipation.
  • 00:23:04.060 --> 00:23:04.290
  • We're right at the place
  • 00:23:04.290 --> 00:23:06.040
  • where God has intervened
  • 00:23:06.040 --> 00:23:07.080
  • in every other time in history.
  • 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:09.160
  • This is a period when God wants
  • 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.010
  • to move among us.
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  • Start it in me, start it in you,
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  • start it anywhere but, Lord God,
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  • if you don't break through
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  • into our culture, we don't have
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  • any other option.
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  • We are confessing our sin before
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  • you today and we're asking you
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  • in the words of the Psalmist,
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  • "Revive us again."
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  • - Matt: "People Are Asking,
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  • 'Is This the End?'"
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  • The book is available right
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  • now by calling the 800-number.
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  • Okay, I have a question
  • 00:23:35.260 --> 00:23:38.050
  • in regard to no one in your
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  • vocation would write a book that
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  • wasn't meant to pump hope
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  • into people.
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  • But this is a tough one here.
  • 00:23:56.130 --> 00:23:59.130
  • How in inside of this book
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  • did you get hope built
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  • into people's lives?
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  • How did you do that?
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  • That's a masterful thing.
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  • - David: Well, because
  • 00:24:09.220 --> 00:24:10.170
  • the Bible, while it tells
  • 00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:12.090
  • the truth and paints pictures
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  • as they really are, the Bible
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  • is never without hope.
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  • There's hope everywhere
  • 00:24:18.090 --> 00:24:19.080
  • in the Bible.
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  • You don't have to
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  • manufacture it.
  • 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:21.230
  • You just have to read it
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  • and discover it.
  • 00:24:23.030 --> 00:24:23.290
  • And, you know, I was thinking
  • 00:24:23.290 --> 00:24:25.220
  • about this the other day in
  • 00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:27.270
  • the political discourse that
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  • we've had, we've had a lot of
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  • discussion about people not
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  • being willing to call things
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  • what they are, not using the
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  • word terrorism and all that,
  • 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:35.200
  • you can't really deal with
  • 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.070
  • the issues of life unless
  • 00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:38.010
  • you're willing to identify them.
  • 00:24:38.010 --> 00:24:39.100
  • So that book identifies some of
  • 00:24:39.100 --> 00:24:40.190
  • the things we're dealing with.
  • 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:41.250
  • For instance, back to
  • 00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:42.220
  • the issue of immigration.
  • 00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:46.140
  • When people come across our
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  • borders, does the Bible
  • 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.050
  • tell us what to do?
  • 00:24:49.050 --> 00:24:50.160
  • Well, there isn't any chapter in
  • 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:51.180
  • the Bible called immigration but
  • 00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:53.230
  • in the Old Testament you have
  • 00:24:53.230 --> 00:24:55.180
  • this very interesting analogy.
  • 00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:57.150
  • There were immigrants
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  • in the Old Testament.
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  • They called 'em strangers.
  • 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.150
  • And in the Old Testament you
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  • had to do three things
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  • with strangers.
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  • You had to accept them,
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  • you had to assist them,
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  • and you had to assimilate them.
  • 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:09.280
  • And the assimilation
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  • of the strangers
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  • in the Old Testament
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  • is so interesting because
  • 00:25:13.030 --> 00:25:14.180
  • when God speaks to Israel,
  • 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:16.010
  • again, especially in
  • 00:25:18.110 --> 00:25:19.080
  • Deuteronomy, "And this is
  • 00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:20.240
  • what I want for you, Israel,
  • 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:21.260
  • this and this and this.
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  • And also for your strangers."
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  • God held the strangers to the
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  • same responsibility that he held
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  • his nation, so that when
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  • strangers came into Israel,
  • 00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:30.070
  • they were expected to live
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  • under the same regime
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  • as Israel was living.
  • 00:25:33.280 --> 00:25:35.290
  • Now you try that on
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  • for immigration in our country.
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  • If we did that, it wouldn't
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  • be as much of an issue.
  • 00:25:40.150 --> 00:25:41.050
  • But what we have now, is people
  • 00:25:41.050 --> 00:25:41.270
  • coming into this country,
  • 00:25:41.270 --> 00:25:43.170
  • wanting to set up their own
  • 00:25:43.170 --> 00:25:45.150
  • message, their own style, some
  • 00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:47.030
  • of it antithetic to what it
  • 00:25:47.030 --> 00:25:49.040
  • means to be an American.
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  • That's why there's so much
  • 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.210
  • angst about this.
  • 00:25:51.210 --> 00:25:52.200
  • But you can get this great clue
  • 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.070
  • from the Old Testament, "Accept
  • 00:25:55.070 --> 00:25:56.190
  • them, assist them, but make sure
  • 00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:58.170
  • you assimilate them too.
  • 00:25:58.170 --> 00:25:59.270
  • And make sure they become--"
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  • That's the way America was.
  • 00:26:01.090 --> 00:26:02.210
  • I mean, I'm from Wales
  • 00:26:02.210 --> 00:26:04.180
  • but nobody calls me
  • 00:26:04.180 --> 00:26:05.200
  • a Welsh American.
  • 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.040
  • I'm an American.
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  • And I--and that's what's missing
  • 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.120
  • here in all this argument.
  • 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:13.010
  • - Matt: We're talking with
  • 00:26:13.010 --> 00:26:14.260
  • Dr. Jeremiah.
  • 00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:15.280
  • New book is available right now,
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  • "Is This the End?
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  • People Are Asking," okay.
  • 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:21.280
  • You started this in chapter one
  • 00:26:23.210 --> 00:26:26.210
  • with a really compelling story.
  • 00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:30.140
  • And it was concerning the life
  • 00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:34.140
  • of a very famous composer.
  • 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.050
  • Why--a little bit of that story
  • 00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:38.200
  • for our audience and why was
  • 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.080
  • that your opening lens to start
  • 00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:44.010
  • telling the story of this book?
  • 00:26:44.010 --> 00:26:46.090
  • - David: Well, you know,
  • 00:26:46.090 --> 00:26:47.090
  • you start where culture is
  • 00:26:47.090 --> 00:26:49.040
  • and that's where culture is.
  • 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:50.290
  • And I told the story, Matt,
  • 00:26:50.290 --> 00:26:52.020
  • about Cole Porter started out by
  • 00:26:52.020 --> 00:26:53.110
  • talking about a couple of very
  • 00:26:53.250 --> 00:26:56.250
  • famous singers who sang some of
  • 00:26:56.250 --> 00:26:59.140
  • his music and he wrote a very
  • 00:26:59.140 --> 00:27:02.090
  • famous song called, "Anything
  • 00:27:02.090 --> 00:27:03.150
  • Goes," and it's kind of a pumpy
  • 00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:05.040
  • little, you know, toe-tapper.
  • 00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:06.250
  • I've actually seen the Broadway
  • 00:27:06.250 --> 00:27:08.110
  • play, "Anything Goes," and
  • 00:27:08.110 --> 00:27:09.180
  • I kind of liked the music.
  • 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:11.090
  • But I never really thought
  • 00:27:11.090 --> 00:27:12.160
  • much about the message.
  • 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.220
  • The message in "Anything Goes"
  • 00:27:13.220 --> 00:27:15.120
  • was really a reflection of
  • 00:27:15.120 --> 00:27:17.090
  • Cole Porter's life.
  • 00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:18.200
  • That's the way he lived.
  • 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:19.190
  • Unrestrained evil and wickedness
  • 00:27:19.190 --> 00:27:22.060
  • and when he died, well, why
  • 00:27:22.060 --> 00:27:24.040
  • don't you tell 'em what you were
  • 00:27:24.040 --> 00:27:25.050
  • talking about when you came in?
  • 00:27:25.050 --> 00:27:26.060
  • - Matt: Well, what--when I was
  • 00:27:26.060 --> 00:27:28.100
  • telling that, we were talking
  • 00:27:28.100 --> 00:27:30.030
  • about a story that on his
  • 00:27:30.030 --> 00:27:31.070
  • deathbed, and first of all,
  • 00:27:31.070 --> 00:27:33.160
  • Cole Porter wrote some of the
  • 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:34.260
  • most famous music, you know, in
  • 00:27:34.260 --> 00:27:35.290
  • the whole world and, you know,
  • 00:27:35.290 --> 00:27:38.000
  • the likes of Frank Sinatra and
  • 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.280
  • those types, Tony Bennett, sang
  • 00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:43.060
  • this--sang his songs, Lady Gaga
  • 00:27:43.060 --> 00:27:45.020
  • as far as, you know,
  • 00:27:45.020 --> 00:27:46.240
  • kind of a modern person.
  • 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.050
  • And so his life was so debase,
  • 00:27:49.100 --> 00:27:52.100
  • that his last real deathbed wish
  • 00:27:54.120 --> 00:27:57.120
  • was that someone would go and
  • 00:27:57.120 --> 00:27:59.090
  • destroy all the pornographic
  • 00:27:59.090 --> 00:28:01.100
  • material in his house so that
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  • he could somewhat die maybe more
  • 00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.040
  • in peace.
  • 00:28:05.040 --> 00:28:06.100
  • And that was the way that this
  • 00:28:06.100 --> 00:28:08.150
  • man that wrote some of
  • 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:10.080
  • the greatest music ever,
  • 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:11.100
  • you know.
  • 00:28:11.100 --> 00:28:12.050
  • - David: And his assistant said
  • 00:28:12.050 --> 00:28:13.210
  • that "he lived his life like
  • 00:28:13.210 --> 00:28:15.290
  • a stained glass window through
  • 00:28:15.290 --> 00:28:17.090
  • which no light was
  • 00:28:17.090 --> 00:28:18.120
  • allowed to shine."
  • 00:28:18.120 --> 00:28:19.290
  • And I thought,
  • 00:28:19.290 --> 00:28:21.030
  • "What a vivid picture that is."
  • 00:28:21.030 --> 00:28:22.210
  • And so many people today
  • 00:28:22.210 --> 00:28:23.280
  • live that life.
  • 00:28:23.280 --> 00:28:25.250
  • Well, that chapter talks about
  • 00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:26.280
  • this little word of prophetic
  • 00:28:26.280 --> 00:28:29.000
  • Scripture, "As it was in
  • 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.090
  • the days of Noah, so shall it be
  • 00:28:31.090 --> 00:28:33.210
  • in the Coming of the Son
  • 00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:34.250
  • of Man."
  • 00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:35.260
  • And then you go back to Genesis
  • 00:28:35.260 --> 00:28:37.160
  • and it says in the days of Noah
  • 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.210
  • that "every man did that which
  • 00:28:39.210 --> 00:28:41.150
  • was only evil continually,"
  • 00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:44.020
  • happened in our culture today
  • 00:28:47.010 --> 00:28:48.240
  • where pornography has just
  • 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.180
  • taken over in our culture.
  • 00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:52.080
  • There are some statistics in
  • 00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:53.210
  • that book that, when people read
  • 00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:55.120
  • them, they're gonna go back
  • 00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:57.140
  • and read 'em two or three times
  • 00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:58.140
  • 'cause they're not gonna believe
  • 00:28:58.140 --> 00:28:59.240
  • what's going on and how it's
  • 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.120
  • tearing apart the very fiber
  • 00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:03.090
  • of our nation.
  • 00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:04.120
  • "Every man did that which was
  • 00:29:04.120 --> 00:29:06.040
  • only evil all the time," and
  • 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.200
  • someone said, "And now they can
  • 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.110
  • put all of that on a little
  • 00:29:11.110 --> 00:29:13.100
  • screen that a young person can
  • 00:29:13.100 --> 00:29:15.060
  • carry around with them
  • 00:29:15.060 --> 00:29:16.140
  • And so what's happening in
  • 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:20.020
  • our culture today is that
  • 00:29:20.020 --> 00:29:21.140
  • the "Anything goes" mentality.
  • 00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:24.030
  • If it feels good, do it.
  • 00:29:24.030 --> 00:29:25.130
  • Don't worry about it.
  • 00:29:25.130 --> 00:29:26.110
  • Because, you see, nothing's
  • 00:29:26.110 --> 00:29:28.110
  • right and nothing's wrong.
  • 00:29:28.110 --> 00:29:30.030
  • They have kicked God
  • 00:29:30.030 --> 00:29:32.100
  • out of the picture.
  • 00:29:32.100 --> 00:29:33.230
  • He's not our creator and, if
  • 00:29:33.230 --> 00:29:35.200
  • he's not our creator, we don't
  • 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:36.280
  • have any responsibility to him
  • 00:29:36.280 --> 00:29:38.170
  • and if we're not responsible to
  • 00:29:38.170 --> 00:29:39.160
  • him, we can do whatever we want.
  • 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:40.260
  • But once you say, "In
  • 00:29:40.260 --> 00:29:41.200
  • the beginning, God created
  • 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.220
  • the heavens and the earth,"
  • 00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:43.240
  • you set the plumb line
  • 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:44.260
  • and everything's different.
  • 00:29:44.260 --> 00:29:45.270
  • If you don't believe that,
  • 00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:47.120
  • you're gonna have a hard time
  • 00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:48.080
  • with morality
  • 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:49.040
  • in the rest of your life.
  • 00:29:49.040 --> 00:29:50.200
  • - Matt: You open the book,
  • 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.070
  • the lens, you know, books are
  • 00:29:52.070 --> 00:29:54.280
  • like little mini movies, your
  • 00:29:54.280 --> 00:29:56.000
  • opening scene is the story of
  • 00:29:56.010 --> 00:29:59.010
  • a very debased life
  • 00:29:59.010 --> 00:30:01.030
  • and a tragic situation.
  • 00:30:01.030 --> 00:30:03.030
  • What's the good news in this
  • 00:30:03.030 --> 00:30:04.240
  • book?
  • 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.280
  • - David: The good news is
  • 00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:06.290
  • that our hope is in
  • 00:30:06.290 --> 00:30:08.280
  • the living Christ.
  • 00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:10.150
  • The living Christ is the one
  • 00:30:10.150 --> 00:30:12.080
  • to whom we look.
  • 00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:13.180
  • And the Resurrection of Christ
  • 00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:16.130
  • from the dead has put his--
  • 00:30:16.130 --> 00:30:18.250
  • he's put his stamp on there,
  • 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:20.270
  • on what he has planned for us.
  • 00:30:20.270 --> 00:30:22.230
  • We don't have our hope in any of
  • 00:30:22.230 --> 00:30:25.150
  • the things that are going on and
  • 00:30:25.150 --> 00:30:26.210
  • we have to understand the Bible
  • 00:30:26.210 --> 00:30:28.040
  • says that Christ came not as
  • 00:30:28.190 --> 00:30:31.190
  • someone who wants to help those
  • 00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:33.270
  • who don't need help.
  • 00:30:33.270 --> 00:30:35.090
  • He's the great physician who
  • 00:30:35.090 --> 00:30:36.110
  • came for those who are sick.
  • 00:30:36.110 --> 00:30:38.050
  • We live in a sick world but
  • 00:30:38.050 --> 00:30:39.150
  • that's all the more reason
  • 00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:40.230
  • for us to look to Christ.
  • 00:30:40.230 --> 00:30:42.020
  • He's come into this world
  • 00:30:42.020 --> 00:30:43.110
  • through his death, burial,
  • 00:30:43.110 --> 00:30:45.280
  • and Resurrection and through
  • 00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:46.270
  • the power of the Holy Spirit, to
  • 00:30:46.270 --> 00:30:47.270
  • bring this sense of hope that
  • 00:30:47.270 --> 00:30:50.270
  • we--and when we look to him,
  • 00:30:50.270 --> 00:30:52.150
  • hope returns.
  • 00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:54.080
  • If you look to what's going
  • 00:30:54.080 --> 00:30:55.120
  • on in the world,
  • 00:30:55.120 --> 00:30:56.070
  • it's pretty discouraging.
  • 00:30:56.070 --> 00:30:57.060
  • I run into people a lot recently
  • 00:30:57.060 --> 00:30:59.160
  • who said, "Oh man, I feel if
  • 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.000
  • this doesn't--" Wait a minute,
  • 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.130
  • if you look to the wrong place,
  • 00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:04.030
  • you're gonna not have any hope.
  • 00:31:04.030 --> 00:31:05.160
  • But he's still who he's always
  • 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.100
  • been and he always will be.
  • 00:31:07.100 --> 00:31:09.000
  • And he's in charge and we're
  • 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.180
  • gonna see as we look back on
  • 00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:12.030
  • how God uses even this
  • 00:31:12.030 --> 00:31:13.250
  • to bring glory to his name.
  • 00:31:13.250 --> 00:31:15.150
  • - Matt: What do you see next
  • 00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:16.060
  • then?
  • 00:31:16.060 --> 00:31:17.030
  • Is there a revival coming?
  • 00:31:17.030 --> 00:31:18.270
  • - David: You know what?
  • 00:31:18.270 --> 00:31:19.230
  • This is a very interesting
  • 00:31:19.230 --> 00:31:20.170
  • question because I have some
  • 00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:22.000
  • pretty high profile pastors that
  • 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.230
  • I talk to periodically and,
  • 00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:25.170
  • almost without rehearsal,
  • 00:31:25.170 --> 00:31:27.170
  • they've all said to me that they
  • 00:31:27.170 --> 00:31:29.170
  • have a sense in their spirit
  • 00:31:29.170 --> 00:31:31.080
  • that God is going to do
  • 00:31:31.080 --> 00:31:32.150
  • something very important
  • 00:31:32.150 --> 00:31:34.150
  • in the year 2017.
  • 00:31:34.150 --> 00:31:36.220
  • And my heart resonates with
  • 00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:39.060
  • that.
  • 00:31:39.060 --> 00:31:40.050
  • I think we're gonna get through
  • 00:31:40.050 --> 00:31:41.230
  • whatever it is we're going
  • 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:42.220
  • through right now, then people
  • 00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:43.270
  • are gonna--we're gonna be
  • 00:31:43.270 --> 00:31:45.240
  • a place where maybe God
  • 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.070
  • I--when I read that chapter on
  • 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:50.250
  • revival and remember that during
  • 00:31:50.250 --> 00:31:53.070
  • the height of some of
  • 00:31:53.070 --> 00:31:55.010
  • the great awakenings, they were
  • 00:31:55.010 --> 00:31:56.070
  • closing everything down at noon
  • 00:31:56.070 --> 00:31:57.230
  • so everybody could go to
  • 00:31:57.230 --> 00:31:59.000
  • the prayer meetings in their
  • 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.060
  • city and that they said--one of
  • 00:32:00.270 --> 00:32:03.270
  • the guys who was in charge of
  • 00:32:03.270 --> 00:32:06.010
  • the Welsh revival, they said
  • 00:32:06.010 --> 00:32:08.170
  • he would walk in a room and he
  • 00:32:08.170 --> 00:32:09.220
  • wouldn't even say anything and
  • 00:32:09.220 --> 00:32:10.250
  • people would fall on their knees
  • 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:11.280
  • and start to pray and ask for
  • 00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:13.000
  • forgiveness for their sins, just
  • 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:14.100
  • because of the anointing of God
  • 00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:18.070
  • was on him so strong.
  • 00:32:18.070 --> 00:32:20.070
  • I remember little pieces of that
  • 00:32:20.070 --> 00:32:23.030
  • as a young boy and seeing that
  • 00:32:23.030 --> 00:32:25.210
  • happen but I haven't experienced
  • 00:32:25.210 --> 00:32:27.120
  • that in a long time,
  • 00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:28.190
  • or seen it in a long time.
  • 00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:30.000
  • I think we're ready for that.
  • 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.020
  • I do believe that.
  • 00:32:31.020 --> 00:32:32.120
  • - Laurie: You know, my little
  • 00:32:32.120 --> 00:32:33.030
  • dad always, growing up, my dad
  • 00:32:33.030 --> 00:32:35.040
  • would always say, "Jesus
  • 00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:37.100
  • isn't coming back for a little
  • 00:32:37.100 --> 00:32:39.020
  • weak struggling
  • 00:32:39.020 --> 00:32:41.100
  • little fledgling church.
  • 00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:43.070
  • He's coming back to a victorious
  • 00:32:43.070 --> 00:32:44.120
  • bride, you know?
  • 00:32:44.120 --> 00:32:46.060
  • And there was always victory.
  • 00:32:46.060 --> 00:32:47.280
  • We had, as Christians and
  • 00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:49.180
  • believers in God,
  • 00:32:49.180 --> 00:32:50.160
  • we are overcomers.
  • 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.010
  • We are more than overcomers.
  • 00:32:52.010 --> 00:32:53.110
  • We are victorious and that's not
  • 00:32:53.110 --> 00:32:55.150
  • gonna be taken away from us,
  • 00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:56.260
  • no matter what we face, is it?
  • 00:32:56.260 --> 00:32:58.240
  • - David: No, and the church,
  • 00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:59.210
  • you know, I told my people
  • 00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:01.170
  • this last weekend after some
  • 00:33:01.170 --> 00:33:04.100
  • very dark news had come across
  • 00:33:05.100 --> 00:33:08.100
  • that almost made me
  • 00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:09.180
  • sick to my stomach.
  • 00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:11.150
  • I don't know how it affected you
  • 00:33:11.150 --> 00:33:12.170
  • but I said, "You know, I have
  • 00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:14.240
  • never felt such keen excitement
  • 00:33:14.290 --> 00:33:17.290
  • about the role of the church
  • 00:33:17.290 --> 00:33:18.270
  • in the world."
  • 00:33:18.270 --> 00:33:19.190
  • The church is what God wants
  • 00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:21.100
  • to use.
  • 00:33:21.100 --> 00:33:22.070
  • And against the backdrop of all
  • 00:33:22.070 --> 00:33:23.150
  • of this wickedness that we see
  • 00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:25.120
  • everywhere in almost every
  • 00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:26.230
  • level, there is this lighthouse
  • 00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:29.130
  • that God has created.
  • 00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:30.290
  • And this lighthouse and--we need
  • 00:33:30.290 --> 00:33:33.050
  • to put our energy into that
  • 00:33:33.050 --> 00:33:34.090
  • because that's the tool
  • 00:33:34.090 --> 00:33:35.170
  • God is gonna use.
  • 00:33:35.170 --> 00:33:36.170
  • He said, "I will build my church
  • 00:33:36.170 --> 00:33:37.230
  • and the gates of hell
  • 00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:38.260
  • shall not prevail against it."
  • 00:33:38.260 --> 00:33:40.170
  • The gates of hell were knocking
  • 00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:41.260
  • on the door this last week but
  • 00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:44.000
  • they didn't win and they won't
  • 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.190
  • win and, you know, even though
  • 00:33:45.190 --> 00:33:47.100
  • I've been doing this for a long
  • 00:33:47.100 --> 00:33:48.140
  • time, I've been in this church
  • 00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:49.210
  • for 35 years, I came back and I
  • 00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:51.250
  • don't think I've ever been more
  • 00:33:51.250 --> 00:33:53.120
  • excited about what God wants to
  • 00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.230
  • do through his church as you
  • 00:33:54.230 --> 00:33:56.190
  • said, Laurie, during this time
  • 00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:58.000
  • because they're running out
  • 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.220
  • of answers.
  • 00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:03.180
  • - Laurie: I know you love
  • 00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:04.230
  • Israel.
  • 00:34:04.230 --> 00:34:06.200
  • Talk about the isolation of
  • 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.170
  • Israel and kind of
  • 00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:10.010
  • what's happening over there.
  • 00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:11.230
  • - David: Well, in this book
  • 00:34:11.230 --> 00:34:12.180
  • I do a whole chapter on
  • 00:34:12.180 --> 00:34:14.050
  • the Abrahamic covenant and
  • 00:34:14.050 --> 00:34:15.080
  • what God promised Israel.
  • 00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:16.170
  • I love to tell people, you know,
  • 00:34:16.170 --> 00:34:17.250
  • I know the answer to the land
  • 00:34:17.250 --> 00:34:19.090
  • issue and Israel.
  • 00:34:19.090 --> 00:34:20.130
  • God gave it all to Israel.
  • 00:34:20.130 --> 00:34:21.290
  • I mean, there shouldn't be
  • 00:34:21.290 --> 00:34:23.170
  • a fight over that.
  • 00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:24.180
  • Let's just get over that one
  • 00:34:24.180 --> 00:34:25.150
  • and get on to the next issue.
  • 00:34:25.150 --> 00:34:27.010
  • But I love Israel and I tell
  • 00:34:27.180 --> 00:34:30.180
  • a story in this book about
  • 00:34:30.180 --> 00:34:32.020
  • a privilege I had when
  • 00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:33.260
  • I was there the last time.
  • 00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:35.180
  • We had a whole lot of folks with
  • 00:34:35.180 --> 00:34:37.100
  • us and we couldn't house them
  • 00:34:37.100 --> 00:34:38.280
  • all in the same communities.
  • 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.130
  • So we had some of them in
  • 00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:41.260
  • Herzliya and some in Tiberias.
  • 00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:43.080
  • And my tour director told me I
  • 00:34:43.080 --> 00:34:45.070
  • had to speak to both of them on
  • 00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:46.110
  • the same night and I said, "How
  • 00:34:46.110 --> 00:34:47.220
  • am I gonna do that?"
  • 00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:48.190
  • He said, "We have a helicopter."
  • 00:34:48.190 --> 00:34:49.290
  • Well, I wasn't too crazy about
  • 00:34:49.290 --> 00:34:51.180
  • flying a helicopter around in
  • 00:34:51.180 --> 00:34:52.240
  • Israel but I flew that
  • 00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:53.250
  • helicopter with my friends back
  • 00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:55.150
  • across the nation.
  • 00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:56.280
  • One of the most moving
  • 00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.270
  • experiences I've ever had.
  • 00:34:59.270 --> 00:35:01.130
  • I felt like I was hovering over
  • 00:35:01.130 --> 00:35:03.240
  • holy ground and I saw that land
  • 00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:07.050
  • and its borders and I realized
  • 00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:09.130
  • the Bible says God loves Israel
  • 00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:11.190
  • so much that his eye is on the
  • 00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.210
  • land from morning 'til night
  • 00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:15.040
  • every day.
  • 00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:16.150
  • It's God's place.
  • 00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:17.270
  • And you know, we've messed up
  • 00:35:17.270 --> 00:35:19.040
  • pretty badly with our
  • 00:35:19.040 --> 00:35:20.120
  • relationship with Israel as a
  • 00:35:20.120 --> 00:35:21.250
  • nation and we've paid for it and
  • 00:35:21.250 --> 00:35:23.020
  • we'll continue to pay for it
  • 00:35:23.020 --> 00:35:24.220
  • because the Bible says God is
  • 00:35:24.220 --> 00:35:27.020
  • going to bless those who bless
  • 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:28.140
  • Israel and he's gonna curse
  • 00:35:28.140 --> 00:35:29.220
  • those who curse Israel.
  • 00:35:29.220 --> 00:35:31.080
  • If you don't like Israel for
  • 00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:33.030
  • any other reason, be pragmatic.
  • 00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:34.230
  • Just say, I'd rather be blessed
  • 00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:36.050
  • than cursed," and so I am--I
  • 00:35:37.030 --> 00:35:40.030
  • speak with John Hagee, with the
  • 00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:41.290
  • - Matt: Christians United For
  • 00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:46.250
  • Israel.
  • 00:35:46.250 --> 00:35:47.110
  • - David: Yeah, I've done two of
  • 00:35:47.110 --> 00:35:48.030
  • their events, some of the most
  • 00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:49.030
  • thrilling things I've ever had
  • 00:35:49.030 --> 00:35:50.060
  • the chance to do.
  • 00:35:50.060 --> 00:35:51.070
  • Take people to Israel as often
  • 00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:52.230
  • as I can.
  • 00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:53.210
  • My most visual memory was my
  • 00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:56.100
  • last time there.
  • 00:35:56.100 --> 00:35:58.090
  • I was preaching on the Southern
  • 00:35:58.090 --> 00:35:59.150
  • Steps and we were getting ready
  • 00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:01.000
  • to pull everything together
  • 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.140
  • and get to the airport.
  • 00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:04.090
  • And I got done preaching and I
  • 00:36:04.090 --> 00:36:06.030
  • was walking out and this old
  • 00:36:06.030 --> 00:36:07.180
  • lady was sitting over there
  • 00:36:07.180 --> 00:36:09.160
  • and she summoned to me.
  • 00:36:09.160 --> 00:36:10.290
  • And the security people said,
  • 00:36:10.290 --> 00:36:12.100
  • "Don't go over there."
  • 00:36:12.100 --> 00:36:13.080
  • I said, "No, I'm gonna go talk
  • 00:36:13.080 --> 00:36:13.290
  • to her."
  • 00:36:13.290 --> 00:36:14.210
  • So I went over and she said,
  • 00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:15.200
  • "Mister, I heard what you said
  • 00:36:15.200 --> 00:36:17.100
  • today about how much you love
  • 00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:18.260
  • Israel."
  • 00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:19.290
  • She said, "Don't ever stop
  • 00:36:19.290 --> 00:36:21.150
  • saying that 'cause you
  • 00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.030
  • evangelicals, I think you may be
  • 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:24.210
  • the only ones that still love
  • 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:25.290
  • us."
  • 00:36:25.290 --> 00:36:27.070
  • And I came away with
  • 00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:28.180
  • the realization that not only do
  • 00:36:28.180 --> 00:36:30.180
  • we have to believe in Israel in
  • 00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:32.000
  • our hearts, we have to vocally
  • 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:33.140
  • support them and encourage
  • 00:36:33.140 --> 00:36:34.280
  • others to do the same.
  • 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.060
  • - Matt: We are sitting with
  • 00:36:36.060 --> 00:36:37.060
  • Dr. David Jeremiah.
  • 00:36:37.060 --> 00:36:39.120
  • His new book is "People Are
  • 00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:41.050
  • Asking, 'Is This the End?'"
  • 00:36:41.050 --> 00:36:43.080
  • We have coordinated with
  • 00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:45.010
  • the publisher, Dr. Jeremiah's
  • 00:36:45.010 --> 00:36:47.080
  • ministry, TBN, to make it
  • 00:36:47.080 --> 00:36:49.170
  • available to you by dialing that
  • 00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:51.070
  • number that's on the screen,
  • 00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:52.190
  • the 800-number.
  • 00:36:52.190 --> 00:36:54.010
  • And everyone's prepared
  • 00:36:56.080 --> 00:36:58.050
  • for that.
  • 00:36:58.050 --> 00:36:58.270
  • I love doing these.
  • 00:36:58.270 --> 00:37:00.020
  • This is, as we sat down, we got
  • 00:37:01.130 --> 00:37:04.130
  • word that this now is the number
  • 00:37:04.130 --> 00:37:06.230
  • one "New York Times" bestseller.
  • 00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:08.180
  • Congratulations, Dr. Jeremiah.
  • 00:37:08.180 --> 00:37:11.010
  • And that's a thrilling thing
  • 00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:12.140
  • that all of it coordinated and
  • 00:37:12.140 --> 00:37:14.190
  • that announcement came about
  • 00:37:15.110 --> 00:37:18.110
  • the minute that we walked in
  • 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:19.260
  • to sit down in this little room
  • 00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.230
  • to do this interview.
  • 00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:23.060
  • And the book is available.
  • 00:37:23.060 --> 00:37:24.190
  • We want you to have it.
  • 00:37:24.190 --> 00:37:25.170
  • It is for you.
  • 00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:27.100
  • "Is This the End?"
  • 00:37:27.100 --> 00:37:29.230
  • and the hope of Jesus is
  • 00:37:29.230 --> 00:37:31.060
  • permeating in this book.
  • 00:37:31.060 --> 00:37:32.240
  • Okay, it's available.
  • 00:37:32.240 --> 00:37:34.180
  • Go to your phone.
  • 00:37:34.180 --> 00:37:36.230
  • Russia.
  • 00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:40.210
  • Jump off that one word.
  • 00:37:40.210 --> 00:37:42.290
  • Russia.
  • 00:37:42.290 --> 00:37:44.040
  • What do we need to think
  • 00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:45.000
  • about that?
  • 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:45.190
  • - David: Well, you know, I
  • 00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:46.110
  • don't know about you, I thought
  • 00:37:46.110 --> 00:37:47.120
  • we were done with Russia,
  • 00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:48.250
  • you know?
  • 00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:49.210
  • the dissipation of
  • 00:37:51.230 --> 00:37:54.120
  • the Soviet Union but Russia's
  • 00:37:54.120 --> 00:37:56.180
  • back and everybody wonders,
  • 00:37:56.180 --> 00:37:58.140
  • you know, how did that happen?
  • 00:37:58.140 --> 00:38:00.140
  • Well, the interesting thing
  • 00:38:00.140 --> 00:38:01.220
  • about Russia is it is the most
  • 00:38:01.220 --> 00:38:03.220
  • prophesied nation in the Bible.
  • 00:38:03.220 --> 00:38:05.290
  • If you go to Ezekiel 38 and 39,
  • 00:38:05.290 --> 00:38:07.270
  • those two chapters tell
  • 00:38:07.270 --> 00:38:10.000
  • everything that's gonna happen
  • 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.260
  • with the king of the North,
  • 00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:13.020
  • with Russia, in more detail
  • 00:38:13.020 --> 00:38:14.120
  • than any other prophecy
  • 00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:15.140
  • that you will find.
  • 00:38:15.140 --> 00:38:16.280
  • It is the most--it's the most
  • 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:20.040
  • intimate detail of war in
  • 00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:22.100
  • the Bible and it tells the story
  • 00:38:22.100 --> 00:38:24.200
  • of how, in the end times,
  • 00:38:24.200 --> 00:38:25.160
  • Russia's gonna have a coalition
  • 00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:27.100
  • and it actually names the
  • 00:38:27.100 --> 00:38:28.120
  • nation: Iran, some nations out
  • 00:38:28.120 --> 00:38:31.000
  • of Turkey, perhaps parts of--and
  • 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.160
  • they're gonna come together and
  • 00:38:33.160 --> 00:38:35.210
  • go after Israel to destroy them.
  • 00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:37.130
  • And Israel is--the Bible says
  • 00:38:37.130 --> 00:38:39.040
  • they're gonna be living in
  • 00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:40.060
  • unwalled villages because they
  • 00:38:40.060 --> 00:38:42.040
  • will have signed a covenant with
  • 00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:43.110
  • the Antichrist that he's gonna
  • 00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:44.230
  • take care of 'em so they quit
  • 00:38:44.230 --> 00:38:45.280
  • worrying about their defense
  • 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.070
  • and start doing everything
  • 00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:48.270
  • to build their economy.
  • 00:38:48.270 --> 00:38:50.100
  • So they're living without
  • 00:38:50.100 --> 00:38:51.270
  • protection and here comes this
  • 00:38:51.270 --> 00:38:53.130
  • coalition of armies from
  • 00:38:53.130 --> 00:38:54.290
  • the North.
  • 00:38:54.290 --> 00:38:56.060
  • Russia's leading the way.
  • 00:38:56.060 --> 00:38:57.270
  • And it looks like
  • 00:38:57.270 --> 00:38:59.200
  • Israel is dead meat.
  • 00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:01.160
  • I mean, when you read this,
  • 00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:02.180
  • it looks like there is no way
  • 00:39:02.180 --> 00:39:03.240
  • they can recover.
  • 00:39:03.240 --> 00:39:04.250
  • They're coming from every side.
  • 00:39:04.250 --> 00:39:06.150
  • And then God intervenes.
  • 00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:08.170
  • And God intervenes and the Bible
  • 00:39:08.170 --> 00:39:10.280
  • says to show himself strong and
  • 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.160
  • to protect the glory of God.
  • 00:39:12.160 --> 00:39:13.290
  • And God decimates this army.
  • 00:39:13.290 --> 00:39:16.110
  • In fact, the whole 39th chapter
  • 00:39:16.110 --> 00:39:18.170
  • is the discussion of what
  • 00:39:18.170 --> 00:39:20.130
  • it took to clean up the mess
  • 00:39:20.130 --> 00:39:22.030
  • after this war.
  • 00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:23.190
  • And how God demonstrated
  • 00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:25.200
  • absolutely that he is the God of
  • 00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:29.190
  • Israel and he is the God in whom
  • 00:39:29.190 --> 00:39:31.190
  • they should trust.
  • 00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:32.160
  • It's almost like what we were
  • 00:39:32.160 --> 00:39:33.270
  • talking about with revival
  • 00:39:33.270 --> 00:39:35.020
  • when all other hope is gone,
  • 00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:36.130
  • God shows up and he's strong.
  • 00:39:36.180 --> 00:39:39.180
  • And so the nation of Russia
  • 00:39:39.180 --> 00:39:41.070
  • is pretty well defined
  • 00:39:41.070 --> 00:39:42.240
  • in those chapters.
  • 00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:43.200
  • - Matt: How far off are we
  • 00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:45.180
  • from Ezekiel 38, 39?
  • 00:39:45.180 --> 00:39:47.170
  • - David: Well, you know,
  • 00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:48.250
  • there's some discussion about
  • 00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:49.210
  • where that fits in
  • 00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:50.180
  • the prophetic scheme.
  • 00:39:50.180 --> 00:39:51.130
  • My personal belief is that
  • 00:39:51.130 --> 00:39:53.060
  • it happens toward the end of
  • 00:39:53.060 --> 00:39:55.100
  • our period of time before
  • 00:39:55.100 --> 00:39:56.230
  • the Rapture takes place and, you
  • 00:39:56.230 --> 00:39:58.090
  • know, what was it, 5 years ago,
  • 00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:01.000
  • you would not have thought
  • 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.170
  • that Russia would even have
  • 00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:03.160
  • any conversation with Iran.
  • 00:40:03.160 --> 00:40:05.070
  • And now they're best of buddies.
  • 00:40:05.070 --> 00:40:06.270
  • They were like this...now
  • 00:40:06.270 --> 00:40:08.200
  • they're friends and they're
  • 00:40:08.200 --> 00:40:09.180
  • sending equipment to each other
  • 00:40:09.180 --> 00:40:11.010
  • and helping each other.
  • 00:40:11.010 --> 00:40:12.050
  • So kind of interesting to watch.
  • 00:40:12.180 --> 00:40:15.180
  • - Laurie: ISIS.
  • 00:40:15.180 --> 00:40:16.220
  • - David: Well, you know, that's
  • 00:40:16.220 --> 00:40:18.290
  • the only program we didn't put
  • 00:40:18.290 --> 00:40:20.290
  • on television and on the radio
  • 00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:22.260
  • 'cause we knew that they
  • 00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.040
  • wouldn't run it.
  • 00:40:24.040 --> 00:40:25.280
  • So--it's so--and one of
  • 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.240
  • the things that's so interesting
  • 00:40:27.240 --> 00:40:30.090
  • to me is I ask people all over
  • 00:40:30.090 --> 00:40:31.060
  • the country, "Tell me what
  • 00:40:31.060 --> 00:40:32.150
  • does the word ISIS mean?"
  • 00:40:32.150 --> 00:40:33.210
  • And hardly anybody knows.
  • 00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:35.240
  • They don't know it's the Islamic
  • 00:40:35.240 --> 00:40:36.270
  • State of Iraq and Syria."
  • 00:40:36.270 --> 00:40:39.170
  • And ISIS in one small sentence,
  • 00:40:39.230 --> 00:40:42.230
  • Laurie, is defined by the fact
  • 00:40:42.230 --> 00:40:45.020
  • that it is an eschatology
  • 00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:47.100
  • in action.
  • 00:40:47.100 --> 00:40:49.060
  • They believe that all of their
  • 00:40:49.060 --> 00:40:50.140
  • wickedness and jihad is going
  • 00:40:50.170 --> 00:40:53.170
  • to bring back their messiah,
  • 00:40:53.170 --> 00:40:55.130
  • the 12th--they believe that he
  • 00:40:55.130 --> 00:40:57.160
  • can only come back when there's
  • 00:40:57.160 --> 00:40:58.160
  • total foment and chaos.
  • 00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:00.080
  • And so what they're doing,
  • 00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:01.270
  • they believe is being done
  • 00:41:01.270 --> 00:41:03.200
  • to bring back their messiah.
  • 00:41:03.200 --> 00:41:05.120
  • That's why there is nothing you
  • 00:41:05.120 --> 00:41:06.070
  • can do to reason with them.
  • 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:08.130
  • I tell people, "Don't try
  • 00:41:08.130 --> 00:41:09.170
  • to reason with ISIS 'cause
  • 00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:10.250
  • the only thing you have
  • 00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:11.270
  • that they want is your life.
  • 00:41:11.270 --> 00:41:13.210
  • You don't have anything that
  • 00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:14.140
  • they want."
  • 00:41:14.140 --> 00:41:15.130
  • What they want is to kill
  • 00:41:15.130 --> 00:41:17.100
  • as many people as they can, chop
  • 00:41:17.100 --> 00:41:18.200
  • off as many heads as they can,
  • 00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:20.220
  • and create foment and chaos
  • 00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:23.260
  • because they believe that it's
  • 00:41:23.260 --> 00:41:25.120
  • only when they do that that
  • 00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:27.050
  • their mahdi, their 12th mahdi,
  • 00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:29.170
  • their messiah, will come back.
  • 00:41:29.170 --> 00:41:31.000
  • So when you realize that,
  • 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.260
  • now you realize why
  • 00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:34.290
  • they're willing to do anything.
  • 00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:36.030
  • They don't care.
  • 00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:37.070
  • Life is unimportant to them
  • 00:41:37.070 --> 00:41:38.110
  • 'cause whatever they're doing,
  • 00:41:38.110 --> 00:41:39.120
  • they're gonna bring their
  • 00:41:39.120 --> 00:41:42.000
  • messiah back by their total
  • 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.140
  • destruction of everybody
  • 00:41:43.140 --> 00:41:45.260
  • in their wake.
  • 00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:46.190
  • - Matt: Okay, in case nobody
  • 00:41:46.190 --> 00:41:47.140
  • So we need some good news now.
  • 00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:51.080
  • So just in case somebody was
  • 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:52.150
  • getting all anxious.
  • 00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:56.020
  • Good news inside of this book
  • 00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:58.110
  • is what?
  • 00:41:58.110 --> 00:41:59.080
  • - David: The good news inside
  • 00:41:59.080 --> 00:42:00.200
  • of this book is on the byline of
  • 00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:02.080
  • the cover.
  • 00:42:02.080 --> 00:42:03.060
  • It says, "God's Providence in a
  • 00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:04.220
  • Disturbing New World."
  • 00:42:04.220 --> 00:42:06.250
  • When you see all of these
  • 00:42:06.250 --> 00:42:08.140
  • things--I haven't left out
  • 00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:10.070
  • the good part.
  • 00:42:10.070 --> 00:42:11.090
  • The good part is God is there.
  • 00:42:11.090 --> 00:42:13.080
  • He's there in every situation.
  • 00:42:13.080 --> 00:42:15.090
  • Just like you, just like when
  • 00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:18.070
  • I went through cancer.
  • 00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:19.040
  • I mean, that's really bad news.
  • 00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:20.170
  • But that cancer drew me closer
  • 00:42:20.170 --> 00:42:22.250
  • to the Lord because I saw God
  • 00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:24.240
  • in the midst of that like
  • 00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:26.040
  • I could never have seen him.
  • 00:42:26.040 --> 00:42:27.180
  • During these times that are
  • 00:42:27.180 --> 00:42:28.190
  • coming, during the things that
  • 00:42:28.190 --> 00:42:30.000
  • are happening, God is always
  • 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.190
  • at work.
  • 00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:32.110
  • For instance, in the immigration
  • 00:42:32.110 --> 00:42:33.080
  • problem, guess what?
  • 00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:34.130
  • are coming to faith in Christ
  • 00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:37.290
  • because they've been pushed into
  • 00:42:37.290 --> 00:42:39.000
  • a border where there are
  • 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.030
  • all these Hispanic churches,
  • 00:42:40.030 --> 00:42:41.180
  • like your friend that you have
  • 00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:43.220
  • on here a lot, Sammy Rodriguez.
  • 00:42:43.220 --> 00:42:46.050
  • They're winning these people
  • 00:42:46.050 --> 00:42:47.220
  • to Christ.
  • 00:42:47.220 --> 00:42:48.150
  • Let me ask you.
  • 00:42:48.150 --> 00:42:49.240
  • Would it be better to stay in
  • 00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:51.080
  • the land where you were and
  • 00:42:51.080 --> 00:42:52.270
  • be lost or immigrate into
  • 00:42:52.270 --> 00:42:54.100
  • a land where you may not even
  • 00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.220
  • wanna--may not should be
  • 00:42:55.220 --> 00:42:57.140
  • and be saved?
  • 00:42:57.140 --> 00:42:58.270
  • I'm saying when we--if we could
  • 00:42:58.270 --> 00:43:01.070
  • see this from God's perspective,
  • 00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:03.020
  • we'd see a much different
  • 00:43:03.020 --> 00:43:03.290
  • situation.
  • 00:43:03.290 --> 00:43:05.110
  • We'd see the darkness,
  • 00:43:05.110 --> 00:43:06.170
  • all right, but we would
  • 00:43:06.170 --> 00:43:08.160
  • see the darkness
  • 00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:09.260
  • setting out the light.
  • 00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:11.130
  • And that's the way it is in my
  • 00:43:11.130 --> 00:43:12.210
  • life, it's in your life.
  • 00:43:12.210 --> 00:43:14.070
  • Sometimes, when things are
  • 00:43:14.070 --> 00:43:15.080
  • tough, you think, "God,
  • 00:43:15.080 --> 00:43:16.010
  • what are you up to?"
  • 00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:16.260
  • And then, you know,
  • 00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:18.230
  • as I mentioned before,
  • 00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:19.180
  • providence is read backwards.
  • 00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:20.290
  • When you look back, you see,
  • 00:43:20.290 --> 00:43:22.090
  • "Oh, so that's what you were
  • 00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:23.060
  • up to?"
  • 00:43:23.060 --> 00:43:24.000
  • And that's what this book
  • 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.100
  • is about.
  • 00:43:25.100 --> 00:43:26.060
  • It's about how God is always in
  • 00:43:26.060 --> 00:43:28.010
  • the midst of the situation yet
  • 00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:29.120
  • it's a very honest book about
  • 00:43:29.120 --> 00:43:31.160
  • the issues we face as a culture.
  • 00:43:31.160 --> 00:43:34.010
  • - Matt: It's available right
  • 00:43:34.010 --> 00:43:35.040
  • now by dialing the 800-number
  • 00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:36.130
  • on your screen.
  • 00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:37.140
  • All the operators
  • 00:43:37.140 --> 00:43:38.210
  • are standing by.
  • 00:43:38.210 --> 00:43:39.180
  • And as we sat down for this
  • 00:43:39.180 --> 00:43:41.130
  • interview, it was a number one
  • 00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:43.090
  • "New York Time" bestseller.
  • 00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:45.080
  • We just got that news.
  • 00:43:45.080 --> 00:43:46.080
  • Let's go back to
  • 00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:47.290
  • the Appel Center right there
  • 00:43:47.290 --> 00:43:48.240
  • in New York City.
  • 00:43:48.240 --> 00:43:49.150
  • Beautiful venue.
  • 00:43:49.150 --> 00:43:50.110
  • Pastor Jeremiah.
  • 00:43:50.110 --> 00:43:52.140
  • - announcer: The isolation of
  • 00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:53.200
  • Israel.
  • 00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:55.020
  • - David: Ezekiel said one day
  • 00:43:55.020 --> 00:43:56.050
  • Almighty God would speak to
  • 00:43:56.050 --> 00:43:57.280
  • these bones and they would start
  • 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.150
  • to come together and the nation
  • 00:43:59.150 --> 00:44:01.020
  • of Israel would arise and they'd
  • 00:44:01.020 --> 00:44:02.180
  • come out of the graves of
  • 00:44:02.180 --> 00:44:04.000
  • the nations, in terms, out of
  • 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.180
  • the nations themselves and
  • 00:44:05.180 --> 00:44:06.150
  • regather in the land and Israel
  • 00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:08.260
  • would be reconstituted
  • 00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.110
  • as a nation.
  • 00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:11.170
  • And we have lived in our
  • 00:44:11.170 --> 00:44:13.040
  • lifetime to see that happen
  • 00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:14.090
  • in 1948.
  • 00:44:14.090 --> 00:44:16.010
  • and Israel was established
  • 00:44:18.140 --> 00:44:19.280
  • as a nation.
  • 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.140
  • I'm absolutely convinced that
  • 00:44:21.140 --> 00:44:23.190
  • one of the reasons why, since
  • 00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:25.070
  • 1948, we had such incredible
  • 00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:27.160
  • years of blessing in this
  • 00:44:27.160 --> 00:44:28.290
  • nation, was because we put our
  • 00:44:28.290 --> 00:44:30.290
  • arms around that young nation
  • 00:44:30.290 --> 00:44:32.270
  • and helped them get established.
  • 00:44:32.270 --> 00:44:35.000
  • As long as I have breath
  • 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.190
  • and opportunity, I'm gonna be
  • 00:44:36.190 --> 00:44:38.120
  • a champion for the nation of
  • 00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:40.100
  • Israel because I believe
  • 00:44:40.100 --> 00:44:41.220
  • that's God's purpose
  • 00:44:41.220 --> 00:44:43.000
  • in this world today.
  • 00:44:43.060 --> 00:44:46.060
  • - announcer: The resurrection
  • 00:44:46.060 --> 00:44:47.110
  • of Russia.
  • 00:44:47.110 --> 00:44:48.230
  • - David: If you go to the Book
  • 00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:50.080
  • of Daniel, you will read about
  • 00:44:50.080 --> 00:44:52.150
  • a person who is called
  • 00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:54.200
  • the king of the North.
  • 00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:58.190
  • So if he's the king of
  • 00:44:58.190 --> 00:44:59.180
  • the North, what does that mean?
  • 00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:01.100
  • He's the king of
  • 00:45:01.100 --> 00:45:02.140
  • the North of Israel.
  • 00:45:02.140 --> 00:45:04.210
  • And if you take out a pen and
  • 00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:07.030
  • get a map and you just draw
  • 00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:08.200
  • a straight line from Israel to
  • 00:45:08.200 --> 00:45:10.150
  • the extreme North, there's only
  • 00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:12.070
  • one place you're gonna end up
  • 00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:13.030
  • and that's Russia.
  • 00:45:13.030 --> 00:45:15.050
  • And the victory that God wins on
  • 00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:18.120
  • the most astounding thing that
  • 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:21.110
  • has ever happened on this earth.
  • 00:45:21.110 --> 00:45:23.100
  • And God himself
  • 00:45:23.100 --> 00:45:25.010
  • will get the glory.
  • 00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:26.260
  • And there will be no doubt about
  • 00:45:26.260 --> 00:45:27.250
  • who saved Israel.
  • 00:45:29.020 --> 00:45:32.020
  • It's almost like God takes every
  • 00:45:32.020 --> 00:45:33.150
  • weapon out of the hands of
  • 00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:35.230
  • the Israeli people, puts them in
  • 00:45:35.230 --> 00:45:37.150
  • the most defenseless position
  • 00:45:37.150 --> 00:45:39.120
  • they could be in so that none
  • 00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:40.230
  • of 'em can stand up and say,
  • 00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:42.090
  • "Look what we did."
  • 00:45:42.090 --> 00:45:43.130
  • No, you didn't do anything.
  • 00:45:43.130 --> 00:45:44.160
  • You just stood there and God
  • 00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:45.170
  • came in and he won the war
  • 00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:46.170
  • for you or you wouldn't
  • 00:45:46.170 --> 00:45:47.250
  • be alive today.
  • 00:45:47.250 --> 00:45:48.260
  • And how many of you know that's
  • 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:50.020
  • the way it is for all of us,
  • 00:45:50.020 --> 00:45:51.020
  • isn't it?
  • 00:45:51.020 --> 00:45:51.230
  • I've often thought, "God likes
  • 00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:52.180
  • to get us at the end of
  • 00:45:52.180 --> 00:45:53.200
  • ourselves where we don't have
  • 00:45:53.200 --> 00:45:54.240
  • anything we can do so that when
  • 00:45:54.240 --> 00:45:55.270
  • he does it he's the only one
  • 00:45:55.270 --> 00:45:57.140
  • who can get the credit."
  • 00:45:57.140 --> 00:45:59.180
  • - Laurie: I just wanna mention
  • 00:45:59.180 --> 00:46:00.150
  • this beautiful little book.
  • 00:46:00.150 --> 00:46:02.150
  • Okay, tell me, this is a kids'
  • 00:46:02.150 --> 00:46:03.270
  • study Bible, first one in, like,
  • 00:46:03.270 --> 00:46:06.260
  • 20 years.
  • 00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:07.220
  • - David: Yeah, it's
  • 00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:08.110
  • the first--they tell me it's
  • 00:46:08.110 --> 00:46:09.070
  • the first kids' study Bible to
  • 00:46:09.070 --> 00:46:10.150
  • be produced in 20 years.
  • 00:46:10.150 --> 00:46:11.150
  • - Laurie: Isn't that amazing?
  • 00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:12.150
  • And what do you do--what do you
  • 00:46:12.150 --> 00:46:13.150
  • do with this one?
  • 00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:14.170
  • - David: Well, there's just all
  • 00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:15.120
  • kinds of really cool things in
  • 00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:16.130
  • there.
  • 00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:17.020
  • We had a artist come in and
  • 00:46:17.020 --> 00:46:18.040
  • create characters.
  • 00:46:18.040 --> 00:46:19.020
  • It's called "Airship Genesis"
  • 00:46:19.020 --> 00:46:21.090
  • and these characters get on
  • 00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:22.170
  • their little spaceship and they
  • 00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:23.240
  • travel and they--their first
  • 00:46:23.240 --> 00:46:24.290
  • landing might be in, like,
  • 00:46:24.290 --> 00:46:26.050
  • in the Garden of Eden and then
  • 00:46:26.050 --> 00:46:27.160
  • we tell the whole Bible story
  • 00:46:27.160 --> 00:46:29.140
  • of the Garden of Eden.
  • 00:46:29.140 --> 00:46:30.120
  • And there are characters
  • 00:46:30.120 --> 00:46:31.180
  • who talk.
  • 00:46:31.180 --> 00:46:32.240
  • There's a podcast that come--
  • 00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:34.180
  • that's available and that you
  • 00:46:34.180 --> 00:46:35.170
  • can download when you get
  • 00:46:35.170 --> 00:46:36.150
  • the Bible.
  • 00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:37.160
  • It's very interactive.
  • 00:46:37.160 --> 00:46:38.220
  • Things for parents to use to
  • 00:46:38.220 --> 00:46:39.280
  • help their kids get excited
  • 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.030
  • about the Scripture.
  • 00:46:41.030 --> 00:46:42.160
  • And, you know, we believe
  • 00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:45.170
  • with all of our heart that
  • 00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:46.190
  • the answers are in God's Word.
  • 00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:48.220
  • But they're not just answers
  • 00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:49.220
  • for big people; they're answers
  • 00:46:49.220 --> 00:46:52.010
  • for little people too.
  • 00:46:52.010 --> 00:46:53.230
  • And we wanted to do something to
  • 00:46:53.230 --> 00:46:54.220
  • help--I kinda feel like
  • 00:46:54.220 --> 00:46:57.120
  • who's gonna buy those
  • 00:46:57.120 --> 00:46:58.290
  • are grandparents, you know?
  • 00:46:58.290 --> 00:47:00.220
  • They're gonna buy them for their
  • 00:47:00.220 --> 00:47:01.240
  • grandchildren and get them--make
  • 00:47:01.240 --> 00:47:03.090
  • sure that they have a copy of
  • 00:47:03.090 --> 00:47:04.150
  • the Scripture.
  • 00:47:04.150 --> 00:47:05.130
  • And it is a study Bible.
  • 00:47:05.130 --> 00:47:06.090
  • It's the entire Bible,
  • 00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:07.160
  • lots of character sketches,
  • 00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:09.130
  • little stories for the kids to
  • 00:47:09.130 --> 00:47:11.020
  • understand, beautiful artwork.
  • 00:47:11.020 --> 00:47:12.190
  • It's very compelling.
  • 00:47:12.190 --> 00:47:14.190
  • Somebody who was at
  • 00:47:14.190 --> 00:47:16.150
  • the publisher said,
  • 00:47:16.150 --> 00:47:17.150
  • "The introductions to these
  • 00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:19.150
  • books are better than the ones
  • 00:47:19.150 --> 00:47:20.140
  • in the big Bible.
  • 00:47:20.140 --> 00:47:21.210
  • I go there and read those when
  • 00:47:21.210 --> 00:47:22.220
  • I'm getting ready to study
  • 00:47:22.220 --> 00:47:23.150
  • a book."
  • 00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:24.050
  • So that's what we hoped would
  • 00:47:24.050 --> 00:47:25.240
  • happen and we believe God
  • 00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:27.140
  • is gonna really use this.
  • 00:47:27.140 --> 00:47:28.290
  • He always uses his Word and we
  • 00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:30.270
  • think his Word for kids is a
  • 00:47:30.270 --> 00:47:32.200
  • pretty great thing.
  • 00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:33.230
  • - Matt: Beautiful.
  • 00:47:33.230 --> 00:47:34.200
  • In addition to the Kids' Study
  • 00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:36.230
  • Dr. Jeremiah who is now got one
  • 00:47:38.290 --> 00:47:41.170
  • more thing to add to your bio,
  • 00:47:41.170 --> 00:47:44.150
  • by the way,
  • 00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:45.120
  • you need to update it.
  • 00:47:45.120 --> 00:47:46.060
  • This is a "New York Time"
  • 00:47:46.060 --> 00:47:47.180
  • number one bestseller.
  • 00:47:47.180 --> 00:47:49.020
  • It is "People Are Asking,
  • 00:47:49.020 --> 00:47:51.020
  • 'Is This the End?'"
  • 00:47:51.020 --> 00:47:53.000
  • And one of the things that
  • 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.030
  • is really about this book that
  • 00:47:55.030 --> 00:47:57.200
  • we've been discussing on this
  • 00:47:57.200 --> 00:47:58.270
  • entire project, is really that
  • 00:47:58.270 --> 00:48:01.190
  • you want to tell the truth and
  • 00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:05.090
  • you don't want to shrink away
  • 00:48:05.090 --> 00:48:07.150
  • from telling the truth
  • 00:48:07.150 --> 00:48:09.160
  • about many problems and ills
  • 00:48:09.160 --> 00:48:11.180
  • in our modern society.
  • 00:48:11.180 --> 00:48:13.240
  • But, at the same time,
  • 00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:14.150
  • it's very hope-filled.
  • 00:48:14.150 --> 00:48:15.190
  • And if there is another minute
  • 00:48:15.190 --> 00:48:18.130
  • in another day and if this day
  • 00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:20.190
  • continues to tick along
  • 00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:22.280
  • we have another opportunity to
  • 00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:27.130
  • do what Christ has called us all
  • 00:48:27.130 --> 00:48:29.070
  • to do, which is souls.
  • 00:48:29.070 --> 00:48:31.070
  • So take an opportunity now,
  • 00:48:31.070 --> 00:48:33.020
  • Dr. Jeremiah.
  • 00:48:33.020 --> 00:48:34.140
  • Your--you have breath
  • 00:48:34.140 --> 00:48:36.030
  • in your lungs.
  • 00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:37.010
  • We have lights, camera, action.
  • 00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:38.250
  • We have satellites connected
  • 00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:40.010
  • to this broadcast.
  • 00:48:40.010 --> 00:48:41.050
  • And it's an opportunity for you
  • 00:48:41.050 --> 00:48:43.170
  • to share the love of Jesus,
  • 00:48:43.170 --> 00:48:44.270
  • please.
  • 00:48:44.270 --> 00:48:45.270
  • - David: Well, you know, people
  • 00:48:45.270 --> 00:48:46.190
  • tell me wherever I go and I've
  • 00:48:46.190 --> 00:48:48.210
  • been so many places in the last
  • 00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:50.110
  • 2 months, I feel like I don't
  • 00:48:50.110 --> 00:48:51.250
  • even know where my home is but
  • 00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:53.030
  • the constant thing is that
  • 00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:55.140
  • people are saying is that "what
  • 00:48:55.140 --> 00:48:56.240
  • do we do in a time like this?"
  • 00:48:56.240 --> 00:48:59.150
  • As I mentioned to you, this is
  • 00:48:59.150 --> 00:49:01.120
  • unprecedented, all of this
  • 00:49:01.120 --> 00:49:04.060
  • that we're experiencing.
  • 00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.060
  • And then you look at the new
  • 00:49:05.060 --> 00:49:07.230
  • things that have happened in
  • 00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:08.190
  • the last decade that we've never
  • 00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:10.140
  • dealt with before.
  • 00:49:10.140 --> 00:49:12.110
  • And my message is that this is
  • 00:49:12.110 --> 00:49:14.020
  • the greatest opportunity we
  • 00:49:14.020 --> 00:49:15.220
  • could ever have to bring light
  • 00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:19.090
  • into the darkness, to light
  • 00:49:19.090 --> 00:49:21.030
  • candles that will be seen
  • 00:49:21.030 --> 00:49:22.230
  • because the backdrop is much
  • 00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:24.010
  • darker than it's ever been.
  • 00:49:24.010 --> 00:49:25.070
  • And to say with great
  • 00:49:25.070 --> 00:49:28.070
  • confidence, "Jesus Christ
  • 00:49:28.070 --> 00:49:29.170
  • is the answer."
  • 00:49:29.170 --> 00:49:31.080
  • If you will put your trust in
  • 00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:32.120
  • Jesus Christ, not only will he
  • 00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:34.030
  • give you the hope that you need
  • 00:49:34.030 --> 00:49:35.220
  • for the future, but he will give
  • 00:49:35.220 --> 00:49:37.170
  • you the strength
  • 00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:39.000
  • and the purpose for today.
  • 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.220
  • Because how many of you know,
  • 00:49:41.220 --> 00:49:43.020
  • Matt, when you get the future,
  • 00:49:43.020 --> 00:49:44.270
  • you get today.
  • 00:49:44.270 --> 00:49:46.080
  • If you don't get the future, you
  • 00:49:46.080 --> 00:49:47.200
  • don't get anything.
  • 00:49:47.200 --> 00:49:48.190
  • If you don't get Christ, if you
  • 00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:49.180
  • don't get salvation, you not
  • 00:49:49.180 --> 00:49:50.260
  • only lose the future but today
  • 00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:52.170
  • doesn't make any sense either.
  • 00:49:52.170 --> 00:49:54.040
  • You get caught up in all of this
  • 00:49:54.040 --> 00:49:55.150
  • melodrama that's going on
  • 00:49:55.150 --> 00:49:57.060
  • around us.
  • 00:49:57.060 --> 00:49:58.010
  • Here's what I know.
  • 00:49:58.010 --> 00:49:59.120
  • It's an age-old statement that I
  • 00:49:59.120 --> 00:50:01.000
  • don't know what the future holds
  • 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.000
  • but I know who holds the future.
  • 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.090
  • And my hope is in him.
  • 00:50:05.090 --> 00:50:07.050
  • And if you have never put
  • 00:50:07.050 --> 00:50:08.210
  • your trust in Jesus Christ,
  • 00:50:08.210 --> 00:50:11.000
  • let me encourage you today.
  • 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.050
  • You don't have to live
  • 00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:13.270
  • in despair and you don't have
  • 00:50:13.270 --> 00:50:15.150
  • to be filled with anxiety.
  • 00:50:15.150 --> 00:50:17.050
  • Almighty God wants to give you
  • 00:50:17.050 --> 00:50:19.070
  • his peace, and his peace
  • 00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:20.130
  • is in a person.
  • 00:50:20.130 --> 00:50:22.020
  • That person is Jesus Christ.
  • 00:50:22.020 --> 00:50:24.040
  • Wherever you are, wherever
  • 00:50:24.040 --> 00:50:25.190
  • you're watching this program,
  • 00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:27.010
  • you can bow right now and simply
  • 00:50:27.010 --> 00:50:29.000
  • say this prayer,
  • 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.160
  • "Lord God, I need you.
  • 00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:32.230
  • I need you to come
  • 00:50:32.230 --> 00:50:33.220
  • and give me your peace.
  • 00:50:33.220 --> 00:50:35.010
  • I know I'm a sinner and I know I
  • 00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:37.060
  • can't save myself so I have to
  • 00:50:37.060 --> 00:50:39.020
  • trust you and I'm trusting you
  • 00:50:39.020 --> 00:50:40.270
  • today to be my own
  • 00:50:40.270 --> 00:50:43.000
  • personal Savior.
  • 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:44.040
  • Lord Jesus Christ, come into my
  • 00:50:44.040 --> 00:50:45.230
  • heart and make me the person
  • 00:50:45.230 --> 00:50:48.190
  • I was created to be.
  • 00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.290
  • Clean me up from the inside out
  • 00:50:50.290 --> 00:50:52.240
  • and give me your peace so that I
  • 00:50:52.240 --> 00:50:54.240
  • will have the strength to stand
  • 00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.220
  • during these days and have
  • 00:50:56.220 --> 00:50:58.160
  • the hope that is promised
  • 00:50:58.160 --> 00:51:00.270
  • in your book."
  • 00:51:00.270 --> 00:51:01.190
  • And I pray you will do that.
  • 00:51:01.190 --> 00:51:03.120
  • I pray that you will pray that
  • 00:51:03.120 --> 00:51:04.240
  • prayer today in your heart and
  • 00:51:04.240 --> 00:51:06.140
  • let us know here at this network
  • 00:51:06.140 --> 00:51:08.020
  • so we can send you some
  • 00:51:08.020 --> 00:51:09.210
  • information that will help you
  • 00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:10.220
  • get started
  • 00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:11.170
  • in your walk with Christ.
  • 00:51:11.170 --> 00:51:13.050
  • - Matt: Another opportunity.
  • 00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:15.020
  • - Laurie: I love you so much.
  • 00:51:15.020 --> 00:51:16.100
  • - Matt: We had another
  • 00:51:16.100 --> 00:51:17.270
  • opportunity to invite people
  • 00:51:17.270 --> 00:51:19.070
  • to Christ all around the world.
  • 00:51:19.070 --> 00:51:20.220
  • Do you know, there's satellites
  • 00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:21.160
  • that take this broadcast all
  • 00:51:21.160 --> 00:51:23.110
  • over the world and, you know,
  • 00:51:23.110 --> 00:51:26.050
  • pretty much anywhere that you
  • 00:51:26.050 --> 00:51:27.150
  • can receive a cell phone call,
  • 00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:29.130
  • anywhere there's electricity in
  • 00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:30.140
  • the world, this signal is there,
  • 00:51:30.140 --> 00:51:32.180
  • by Ku-band, by C-band.
  • 00:51:32.180 --> 00:51:34.200
  • And we have, you know, over
  • 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.280
  • the years logged millions, tens
  • 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.210
  • of millions, of decisions for
  • 00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:43.260
  • Christ because of pastors like
  • 00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:45.210
  • yourself that would make
  • 00:51:45.210 --> 00:51:46.260
  • their way in front of one of
  • 00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.070
  • the cameras at TBN so thank--
  • 00:51:48.070 --> 00:51:49.120
  • - David: Well, I don't think
  • 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:50.180
  • there's any question that there
  • 00:51:50.180 --> 00:51:51.220
  • couldn't be anybody who's had
  • 00:51:51.220 --> 00:51:53.120
  • a greater impact on the world
  • 00:51:53.120 --> 00:51:56.020
  • at large than this network.
  • 00:51:56.020 --> 00:51:57.230
  • It's the greatest delivery
  • 00:51:57.230 --> 00:51:59.060
  • system anybody's
  • 00:51:59.060 --> 00:52:00.100
  • ever dreamed of.
  • 00:52:00.100 --> 00:52:01.210
  • And nothing even close.
  • 00:52:01.210 --> 00:52:02.270
  • I'm so honored to be here.
  • 00:52:02.270 --> 00:52:04.030
  • - Matt: The partners at TBN
  • 00:52:04.030 --> 00:52:05.020
  • bought into the vision of TBN.
  • 00:52:05.090 --> 00:52:08.090
  • My sweet little mom and daddy
  • 00:52:08.090 --> 00:52:09.220
  • many years ago, not far from
  • 00:52:09.220 --> 00:52:11.130
  • where we are today, heard the
  • 00:52:11.130 --> 00:52:13.130
  • voice of the Lord call them
  • 00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:16.230
  • to this broadcast and Laurie
  • 00:52:16.230 --> 00:52:18.230
  • and I's honor is that the second
  • 00:52:18.230 --> 00:52:21.030
  • generation of TBN
  • 00:52:21.030 --> 00:52:22.170
  • has fully been realized.
  • 00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:23.290
  • My parents are in heaven today.
  • 00:52:23.290 --> 00:52:25.140
  • We miss them, we love them, but
  • 00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:27.110
  • the same thing that's happened
  • 00:52:27.110 --> 00:52:29.020
  • 40 years ago is still happening.
  • 00:52:29.020 --> 00:52:31.050
  • A Dr. Jeremiah is looking into
  • 00:52:31.050 --> 00:52:33.010
  • a camera and inviting you
  • 00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:34.260
  • to know Jesus.
  • 00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:36.000
  • That's what this network
  • 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.230
  • was raised up to do.
  • 00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:38.020
  • That's why the partners bought
  • 00:52:38.020 --> 00:52:39.130
  • into the vision of it
  • 00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.010
  • over all these years.
  • 00:52:41.010 --> 00:52:42.080
  • The vision continues.
  • 00:52:42.080 --> 00:52:43.150
  • This book that we've been
  • 00:52:43.150 --> 00:52:45.280
  • discussing all along today is
  • 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.030
  • "People Are Asking,
  • 00:52:48.030 --> 00:52:49.200
  • 'Is This the End?'
  • 00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:51.120
  • Signs of God's Providence
  • 00:52:51.120 --> 00:52:53.100
  • in a Disturbing New World."
  • 00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:55.170
  • It is a book.
  • 00:52:55.170 --> 00:52:56.160
  • It is now a "New York Time"
  • 00:52:56.160 --> 00:52:58.170
  • number one bestseller.
  • 00:52:58.170 --> 00:52:59.240
  • We got word of that as we
  • 00:52:59.240 --> 00:53:01.070
  • sat down for this interview.
  • 00:53:01.070 --> 00:53:03.180
  • available to you.
  • 00:53:06.010 --> 00:53:06.280
  • All the operators
  • 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.030
  • are standing by.
  • 00:53:08.030 --> 00:53:09.120
  • They know why you're calling
  • 00:53:09.120 --> 00:53:10.270
  • if you call that 800-number.
  • 00:53:10.270 --> 00:53:12.190
  • We're trying to make it easy
  • 00:53:12.190 --> 00:53:13.120
  • on everybody.
  • 00:53:13.120 --> 00:53:14.190
  • And it's very rare that we
  • 00:53:14.190 --> 00:53:16.080
  • can get a publisher, an author,
  • 00:53:16.080 --> 00:53:18.070
  • and all of our schedules
  • 00:53:18.070 --> 00:53:19.230
  • to coordinate but today, it
  • 00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:21.040
  • happened and we got the news
  • 00:53:21.040 --> 00:53:22.210
  • as we sat down
  • 00:53:22.210 --> 00:53:23.250
  • that it's number one.
  • 00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:25.000
  • That's an amazing thing.
  • 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:25.290
  • Final thoughts to our audience
  • 00:53:25.290 --> 00:53:28.040
  • concerning, "Is This the End?"
  • 00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:30.040
  • answer short, is this the end?
  • 00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:34.170
  • No.
  • 00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:35.080
  • This is not the end.
  • 00:53:35.080 --> 00:53:37.060
  • If it were the end, we'd be
  • 00:53:37.060 --> 00:53:38.000
  • in heaven talking about this.
  • 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.120
  • But what we ask and answer in
  • 00:53:40.130 --> 00:53:43.130
  • this book is how should I live
  • 00:53:44.060 --> 00:53:47.060
  • in this world today?
  • 00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:48.200
  • And I wanna say we live with
  • 00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:50.080
  • great hope because while we see
  • 00:53:50.080 --> 00:53:52.240
  • all these things that we've
  • 00:53:52.240 --> 00:53:55.090
  • chronicled in this book, we know
  • 00:53:55.090 --> 00:53:56.150
  • that God has a plan for all of
  • 00:53:56.150 --> 00:53:58.280
  • us and that his providence
  • 00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.280
  • is--he's in control.
  • 00:54:01.120 --> 00:54:04.120
  • He's in charge.
  • 00:54:04.120 --> 00:54:05.050
  • He's seated on the throne
  • 00:54:05.050 --> 00:54:07.140
  • in heaven and,
  • 00:54:07.140 --> 00:54:08.110
  • as I mentioned earlier,
  • 00:54:08.110 --> 00:54:09.180
  • when you look into heaven,
  • 00:54:09.180 --> 00:54:10.120
  • the throne's not unoccupied.
  • 00:54:10.120 --> 00:54:11.210
  • God is at home.
  • 00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:13.110
  • And one of these days, we'll
  • 00:54:13.110 --> 00:54:14.180
  • be sitting around in eternity,
  • 00:54:14.180 --> 00:54:16.030
  • talking about what we talked
  • 00:54:16.030 --> 00:54:17.060
  • about here today and probably
  • 00:54:17.060 --> 00:54:19.020
  • someone's gonna say, "Oh,
  • 00:54:19.020 --> 00:54:20.140
  • so that's what that was about."
  • 00:54:20.140 --> 00:54:22.110
  • But, you know, this is a real
  • 00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:24.200
  • attempt on my part to at least
  • 00:54:24.200 --> 00:54:26.150
  • give some biblical perspective
  • 00:54:26.150 --> 00:54:28.000
  • on some of the most talked about
  • 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.290
  • issues in our world today
  • 00:54:29.290 --> 00:54:31.180
  • and I pray that it will be
  • 00:54:31.180 --> 00:54:33.120
  • an encouragement and a blessing
  • 00:54:33.120 --> 00:54:34.050
  • to the TBN audience.
  • 00:54:34.050 --> 00:54:35.220
  • - Matt: Thank you,
  • 00:54:35.220 --> 00:54:36.230
  • Dr. Jeremiah.
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  • Back to New York City
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  • "Is This the End?"
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  • - David: "'It will come to pass
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  • at the same time, when Gog comes
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  • against the land of Israel,'
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  • says the Lord God, 'that
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  • My fury will show in My face.
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  • For in My jealousy and
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  • in the fire of My wrath
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  • I have spoken.'"
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  • Ezekiel describes
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  • four calamities that
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  • will descend upon this army.
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  • Now watch this.
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  • Here's Israel, this small
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  • unprotected group, and here's
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  • this massive army and this
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  • massive army has surrounded 'em.
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  • They're about to attack.
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  • Enter God.
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  • First of all, there will be
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  • monumental convulsions.
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  • Ezekiel 38 says, "Surely in
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  • that day there shall be a great
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  • earthquake in the land of
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  • Israel, so that the fish of the
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  • sea and the birds of the heavens
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  • and the beasts of the field, all
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  • creeping things that creep on
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  • the earth, and all men who are
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  • on the face of the earth
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  • will shake at My presence.
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  • The mountains shall be thrown
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  • down and steep places
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  • will fall and every wall
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  • - Matt: So thank you,
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  • Dr. Jeremiah,
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  • for being with us today.
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  • Number one "New York Time"
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  • bestseller.
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  • This is it.
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  • Thank you.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • [music]
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