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Joe Baker and Paul Isaacs | Episode 8

One on One with Kirk Cameron

October 31, 2019

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One on One with Kirk Cameron

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Joe Baker and Paul Isaacs | Episode 8

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You don't look comfortable, Paul.
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Man was not meant to live like this.
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-We got this! -Holy cow!
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(laughs, grunts)
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I'm Kirk Cameron.
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And I get to meet some pretty amazing people.
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These are people who totally inspire me
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with their hearts full of faith,
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character and courage.
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They push their limits, they think outside the box,
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and bravely use their gifts
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and talents to bless others.
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And today, we get to spend some time one on one.
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Raising kids is one of the greatest things
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in my whole life.
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Chelsea and I have six of them,
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and as overwhelming as it can feel sometimes,
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we wouldn't change it for the whole world.
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That's why I invited over my friends
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Joe Baker and Paul Isaacs.
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They run an organization called Save the Storks.
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They work with pregnancy resource centers
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all over the country to provide expectant mothers
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with free ultrasounds, prenatal care,
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excellent medical services and information,
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to help them make truly informed decisions
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that will be best
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for them and their baby.
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They're literally saving
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and changing lives every single day.
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Hey, guys.
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-JOE: Hey, man. -How's it going?
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-All right. -Good to see you.
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-PAUL: Kirk. -Hey. How are you?
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Have a seat.
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-You like this? -It's a great spread.
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Real quick, how'd you come up with the name?
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(Joe and Paul chuckling)
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There's a great story there.
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Everybody who isn't pro-life always seems to love
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an environmental cause, so I said, you know,
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"Why don't we go with something that sounds environmental?"
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And so I came up with "Save the Storks."
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Yeah, it's a mythical bird that carries a baby, you know?
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And, uh, I printed up these shirts that said,
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"55 million storks shot down since 1973."
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Obviously referring to Roe v. Wade.
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As soon as the box arrived, I put one on and I was headed
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out the door to the Apple Store.
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And I didn't even make it to the Genius Bar
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when this woman grabs me by the shoulder.
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She turns me around and she says,
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"I've heard of the spotted owl, and the whale,
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but who is killing the storks?"
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-And, uh... -(all chuckling)
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-She was very concerned about that. -Yeah.
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And so I couldn't help but tell her that there were
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some Cheneys up in North Dakota shooting them down
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as they were coming over the border, and...
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-You didn't. -Yeah, I did.
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-You did. (chuckles) -I couldn't help it.
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-And, uh... -He did.
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At some point, uh, I level w-with the woman
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and, I mean, she was ready to sell everything
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and join my cause and, and then at some point I said,
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"Ma'am, I'm totally messing with you.
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"But our cause is even greater than this,
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'cause we are saving human lives." And I said,
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"Many women who are about to make a decision for abortion
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will choose life because of this organization I'm building."
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And she got cold and emotionless and she says,
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"Well, I'm 100% pro-choice."
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And without even missing a beat, Kirk, I said,
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"That is wonderful to hear," I said,
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"Because 84% of post-abortive women have later said
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"that having an abortion was their only choice.
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"And I'm here to meet the needs of those women and provide
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the two alternatives to abortion to them."
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And this woman had no idea what to do with that.
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'Cause suddenly it sounded so pro-choice to her.
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And I realized, to me, that I was onto something,
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that our name started our conversation in a new place...
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-Mm. -...where I can begin a new dialogue,
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and so it's been a fun aspect of our-our name.
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Uh, everywhere I go people are asking me, you know,
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"Who's killing the storks?
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How do I save the storks?" You know?
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And, uh, I'm always leading 'em on
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-before I tell 'em what we really do. -Yeah.
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I-I love the story of how S-Save the Storks got started.
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It's the story about you and you went on a mission trip.
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-Tell the story again. -Yeah, it was actually the Bronx of New York,
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and we were there, uh, to-to just help women
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who are going into an abortion clinic
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make a better decision.
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And I got to see these young, passionate pro-lifers using
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a really ghetto, retrofitted shuttle van,
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uh, probably on about a $5.000 budget.
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Uh, but they were there, passionately wanting
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to offer women a free sonogram
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and some resources if they decided to carry.
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And when I saw the thing, I said, "I don't know.
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I'm not-- I don't really think this is gonna work."
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-Yeah. Yes, it's kind of a shady van... -Yeah.
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-It was-- Didn't look all-- maybe all that safe. -PAUL: Yeah.
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And so I was a little bit off to the side,
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and the girl who's gonna train me that morning,
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she ran in to get a coffee.
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And out of nowhere a woman came up to me,
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who I thought maybe was asking me for directions,
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says, "I'm here for my appointment."
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And she thought that I was working
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at the abortion clinic I was standing in front of.
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And, uh... uh, I said,
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"No, no, no, no, I don't work here at this abortion clinic.
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"Uh, but I'm hanging out with these folks over here
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"that have this van and some resources
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"if you'd like to climb aboard.
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"Uh, they'll-they'll offer you some resources
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if you decide to carry."
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Walked her over and I-I presented her
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to the sonographer at the door.
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Uh, that gave me just a little bit of time to pray.
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And, uh, I-I knew something
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truly amazing was taking place on that vehicle.
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Uh, but when she came off,
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I could see there were tears in her eyes
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and she was be-- booting up her phone.
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And so I wanted to ask her something.
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So I said, "Who are you calling?"
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I didn't know what else to say.
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-Yeah. -And she said, "I'm calling my mom
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"to tell her that I'm gonna--
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"or that she's gonna be a grandmother.
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And to get some help."
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-Wow. -And, I'll tell you, man,
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that changed my life. Like, it was like
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an addiction that started right then. And...
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W-What was it inside of that van
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that-that-that you think changed the game for her?
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JOE: Yeah, see, the magic is in the sonogram.
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A mother begins to bond with her baby,
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sometimes for the first time, with that sonogram.
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That's what changes the game.
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-And she hears the heartbeat. -PAUL: Yeah.
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-And... -And-And that was the thing,
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Kirk, like, the van may not have looked all that great.
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Um, but the people that helped that girl
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-and talked with her... -Yeah.
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...and showed her, uh, the ultrasound
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of what was going on inside her stomach, like,
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and-and to hear the heartbeat,
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uh, that changed the game for that girl.
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-As rudimentary as it was... -Yeah.
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And it changed the game for him.
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Yeah, so-so what happened then?
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So that night, I, uh, called my fiancée, Ann,
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and I said, "Ann," I said, "What if I could do
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"what I saw today everywhere in America?
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"What if we could take it up a notch?
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What if we could do it with excellence?"
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And those are the two kind of entrepreneurial problems
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-I wanted to solve that I was just-- -Hmm.
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-couldn't even sleep over. -Hmm.
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And, uh, it was a year later
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that, uh, Ann-- when Ann and I got married--
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I got to tell my then father-in-law, I said,
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"Hey, Dave, uh, uh,
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"we didn't spend all our money on a house,
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"but instead we bought this
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"brand-new Mercedes Sprinter van and some sleeping bags,
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-and we're going on tour." -Nice! (chuckles)
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-I bet he was pretty fired up about that. -PAUL: Real exciting.
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Yeah, that's how we started our marriage, and I'll tell you,
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it was pure misery at the beginning,
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-it was really hard. -Mm.
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-You were living in the van? -Yeah, we lived in the van.
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With not even just us, we had--
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we took some other people with us to go on this tour.
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-And so... Yes. -Great. Great honeymoon.
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-Exactly. -Great honeymoon scenario.
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-Yeah. -(Paul laughing)
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Actually, in the first year, that first bus,
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I had 394 women make a decision for life,
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uh, right in front of an abortion clinic.
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So, inside of the-the bus, which is
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-a Mercedes Sprinter van... -PAUL: Right.
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KIRK: ...um, inside, you, like--
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-you decked it out with... -JOE: Yeah.
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...a sonogram machine,
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ultrasound, with, like, leather seats
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and, like, surround sound
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so she can hear the heartbeat
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and flat-screen TVs.
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-The whole-- the whole nine yards, right? -Right.
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The idea is to make a girl feel comfortable
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and safe. And then to have that kind
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of technology show them what's going on inside is--
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it's a game changer.
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And-and, typically, what-what happens?
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So
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So,
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So, I
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So, I go
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So, I got
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So, I got to
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So, I got to g
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So, I got to go
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So, I got to go
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So, I got to go
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So, I got to go ba
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So, I got to go back
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So, I got to go back t
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So, I got to go back to
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So, I got to go back to th
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So, I got to go back to the
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So, I got to go back to the Br
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So, I got to go back to the Bron
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So, I got to go back to the Bronx,
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So, I got to go back to the Bronx, u
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So, I got to go back to the Bronx, uh,
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just a couple weeks ago and, uh...
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and actually take one of our high quality mobile units
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and do the same thing.
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And I was amazed at the success rate of it.
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Uh, we had one woman-- literally had her hand
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on the door of the abortion clinic
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when the pregnancy center director said,
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"Hey, just come on in, into our bus
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and just consider your options."
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And she says, "There's no way I'm carrying,
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but I'll come aboard." And she came aboard
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and, uh, received the sonogram.
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And she just began to bond with that baby.
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-Mm. -And, uh... and she began to share that
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her and her boyfriend, who just felt
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like they couldn't have a baby right now and...
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and yet she began to have that emotional connection and say,
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"You know, I-I see that it's a living... being,
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just-just like me."
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-The sonogram tech ended up putting... -Yeah.
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-...on the-- on the image, -Right.
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-"To Mom." "To Mom." And then... -"To Mom."
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-And she, uh-- and then the girl... -Yeah.
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the girl was so overwhelmed by that, that she says,
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"Would you make me another sonogram
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-and write 'To Dad' on it?" -"To Dad." Yeah.
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-Oh. Oh. -It was, uh...
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-And walked off there... -Yeah.
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-...keeping that baby. -With th-- with those two photos.
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-Yeah. -With those photos.
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And she didn't keep her appointment
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-at-at the clinic? -No. -No. No.
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-But a hand was on the door. -(exhales)
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And-and the day was set. Today was--
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That was the day that she was gonna have an abortion.
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Wow. And you know what-- you know what's amazing to me
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about that and what I love about that? There's--
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-Y-You're not mentioning any picket signs... -No.
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...no bullhorns, no shame, no guilt, no judgment.
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Nothing like that. It's just...
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You're offering free medical care
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so that she's more informed,
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and then the-the baby does the convincing.
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-E-Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, th... -Yeah.
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-That's-that's stellar. -I love it,
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like, when you say it like that,
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'cause that's exactly what it is-- the baby,
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uh, you know, helps the w-woman make the decision
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for life. And-and so much of, like,
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what's happened in the past
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with pro-life, like, you know, uh, has been about,
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you know, picketing and protesting and boycotting.
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But now it's about-- we're making it about service.
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How do we serve this mom?
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-Yeah. -Because
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statistics say that 84%
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of post abortive women later say
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they felt having an abortion was their only option.
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And 64% of those women say
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they felt pressured into having an abortion.
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So, we're really providing for those women,
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which is a significant number of abortion--
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most of abortions that are happening.
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Uh, 'cause most women don't want to have an abortion.
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They want-- they want another way out.
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Most of the people in the pro-life community,
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they're heroes that-that are working
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at these pregnancy centers and they actually have
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-a heart of love and compassion. -Mm-hmm.
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The sad thing is, is perhaps in the media
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or something that's going on, it-it tell--
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it shows a different narrative.
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And-and that's another thing that I love,
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is that, with so much fighting and arguing between,
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you know, this political group and that political group
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and, you know-- Or-or men versus women
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and it's-- and it's like everybody's polarized,
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you guys are positioning Save the Storks differently.
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It's-- I mean, you have pro-life, you have pro-choice.
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-But you're kind of talking about a third option. -Right.
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People forget that abortion truly affects a woman
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for the rest of her life.
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Uh, we-we've heard some-- I know Joe has, too--
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some stories after we finish speaking
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about women that can't even hear a vacuum cleaner anymore,
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because it-it takes them to a place
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that they experienced in an abortion clinic.
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And so there's a-- there's a lot
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of, um... a lot of healing that needs to take place.
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But we-we care about that woman
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as much as we care about that baby, too.
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And we work with these centers that offer counseling,
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-classes, and discipleship... -Yep.
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...and-and connect her with the resources
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in-in the city that she needs.
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And so that's a big part of what we want to do.
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A-And you connect her, um,
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through the-the resource centers,
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even with a community of faith...
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-Absolutely. -that will be with her after her child is born,
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with parenting classes or-or counseling for adoption.
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-Yeah. Exactly. -Yes.
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So, Joe mentioned the word "discipleship,"
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and that was the word that he used when I first met him
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that made me think, "I want to be a part of this, too."
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Because it's not just justice for the sake of justice.
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This is a gospel-centered ministry.
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We want a-a young woman,
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and perhaps her significant other,
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to hear about Jesus and what he's done for them.
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'Cause Jesus wants to visit this girl in the same way
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that he met the woman at the well
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or the woman caught in adultery
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and that was with grace and with truth.
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-Mm. -That's what we-we really try to provide.
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You see, the-the grace is in our approach,
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in our own brokenness, in our own...
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-That's right. -...sense of our need.
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Because we all have sinned that we-- that we--
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that has affected our relationship with God.
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And so this girl is no different than what we are
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and what we have been.
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But the truth is in that ultrasound.
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And when they see the truth, that's a game changer.
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So, Jesus was full of grace and truth,
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and that's what we-we try to do.
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You know this is important to me, because, right,
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-my wife is an adopted child. -Right.
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Four of our six children were adopted.
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I mean, they are those pre-born, uh, infants,
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uh, in-in the womb,
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and I am so thankful that someone came up
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alongside those young mothers and said,
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-"I'm with you. You're not alone." -PAUL: Right.
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"You can do this. You have a miracle growing inside of you.
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God loves you. And we're gonna-- we're gonna help you."
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Uh, and it was, like, that's what they...
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-what they wanted to do. -PAUL: Mm-hmm.
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And my whole family is here because of it,
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including my natural-born kids, 'cause if Chelsea wasn't born,
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Olivia and James wouldn't be here, either.
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-PAUL: Yeah. Wow. -JOE: That's right.
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So my entire family exists
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-because of what you're doing... -PAUL: It's huge.
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-PAUL: Yeah. -...to help these birth mothers.
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-We love adoption at Save the Storks. -Yeah.
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-Oh, my gosh. -We just absolutely love it.
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And adoption is...
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is really at the center of God's heart, I think.
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-PAUL: Mm-hmm. -Right?
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Because I think of how... what-what an amazing thing
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-that He adopts us... -PAUL: Right.
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...into that heavenly family by faith, uh, uh, by choice.
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-PAUL: Yeah. -And it... I...
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Well, Kirk, God uses both illustrations in the Bible.
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He uses an-an-an issue of being born into the family of God.
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-Mm. -But He also chooses
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to use the message of adoption, as well.
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We love to hear the stories back from our pregnancy centers.
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Um, we want to shout those stories
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and-and let everyone hear those stories.
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There was a couple that went in.
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The young woman went in.
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The young guy, her significant other, came out...
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boyfriend came out for a smoke.
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And he's-he's smoking, but he sees the Stork bus there,
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walks over to find out a little bit about what's going on,
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and they engage with him
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about what they do and why they're there.
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That they're there to help girls have more choices,
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you know, than just abortion
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and-and, uh, they're providing these services.
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Well, she came out in an armband.
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They'd already put the armband on her,
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they'd already taken her blood,
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so she had a Band-Aid on with the...
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with the cotton.
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And so she comes out to get a smoke, as well,
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sees her boyfriend over at the van and walks over.
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And the boyfriend, along with those dear people
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in Albuquerque, convince her, "Let's just get on here.
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"We have nothing to lose.
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Let's see an image of this baby and hear the heartbeat."
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And she does, and when those two heard the heartbeat,
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and they saw the ultrasound, they said, "We can't do this."
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And she-she said, "Do you have some scissors?
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I've got to take this-this armband off."
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And they-they-they go... started scrambling.
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They say, "Yeah, we'll-we'll get that."
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And-and she couldn't wait for the scissors.
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She ripped the armband off, and said,
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"We're gonna keep this baby."
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But the beauty of the story, to me, is even...
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It gets better.
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And that is both these young people heard the gospel
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from our... those people at that pregnancy center in Albuquerque.
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And they both received Jesus Christ as their savior.
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-And to me, that's the... that's the biggest thing. -Mm.
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The biggest need that we all have.
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So what advice would you give to an expectant mother
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who's feeling like, "This is not part of the plan?"
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-Mm. -Right.
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What do you... what do you... what do you say?
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How do you meet a girl
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in-in that moment of need like that?
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We just help her see that her three options are
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parenting, adoption and abortion.
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And we want her to see how each of those is gonna impact her.
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-Hmm. -And of those three,
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the one that harms her the most is abortion.
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It comes with lifelong pa... very painful consequences.
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Um, and a lot of times we think that-that...
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that abortion is-is a quick, easy way
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to get rid of something, but it really isn't.
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It's gonna come with a lot of pain and hardship for her.
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And so we focus our counseling around her and her needs.
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And, uh, we've found that that's a really successful way
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of leading a woman to the truth.
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That parenting or adoption are far superior choices
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than abortion.
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Would you have any words of advice to anyone
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who might be watching that's saying,
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"Wow. How can I best help my-my daughter or-or my son
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"whose girlfriend is now in this situation?
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We didn't expect this."
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Yeah, uh, a lot of times people, they-they just need a reality,
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some-someone to come in and say, "This is real.
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"You're a mom now, you're gonna have a baby,
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"and everyone is gonna love you and love that baby
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"when the baby comes.
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"There's not one person in your life
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-who's gonna reject that baby when the baby comes." -Mm.
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This isn't just about the bus and the ultrasound machine
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and then, you know,
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she-she walks away, and she decides, "Okay. I'm gonna...
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This is... this is the choice I'm gonna make."
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Tell me about the ongoing services.
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What happens even after--
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through the nine months and even after that?
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Yeah, I mean, at the center I was recently talking to, they...
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I think they do five or six years' worth of clothing,
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where you can come to the center, and it's like,
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they have brand-new clothing based on ages.
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You can come in and get clothing for them.
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And it's-it's ongoing classes and-and all sorts of classes.
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Some of the girls who are women
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that come aboard the bus, make a decision for life, they don't...
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They've never even had someone teach them
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how to balance a check... checkbook.
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They don't have a-a father figure in their life
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to teach them things like that.
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And so, we're teaching basic things.
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You know, how to cook a meal, um, and how to be a mom, and
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it's-it's that, like, touching, that-that intimate friendship
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-that's... that happens with these centers... -Mm. Mm.
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...that really leads someone not just,
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um... not just away from a harsh lifestyle,
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-but actually out of poverty. -Yeah.
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And, and into a life of flourishing,
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where they begin to, you know, develop a real spiritual life.
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Want... They want to...
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They want to serve the Lord with their life.
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Joe, if you could give advice
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to the 20-year-old version of yourself...
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(chuckles)
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...what would... what would you say?
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I'd want the 20-year-old version of me to go and work for free
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for somebody who... like you.
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For somebody in their 40s or 50s
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who's really already been very successful.
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Why would you tell yourself that?
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'Cause I'm an entrepreneur, and I think
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there would have been just tremendous value in...
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I mean, I-I've made a lot of mistakes in building things.
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And, man, I could've learned a lot of these lessons.
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And now, I'm actually in the place in my life
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where I'm actually thinking,
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"I could help a lot of people not learn these lessons
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that I've learned." You know?
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I don't know if you'd ever learn much from hanging out with me,
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working for me for free... -(laughs)
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But, uh, but... I-I hear what you're saying.
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-PAUL: You could use some help. -That's a great idea.
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-I could mow the lawn, I... -Yeah.
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How about you? What do you think, Paul?
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I would probably, at-at 20 years old,
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I would say to myself or... I would say,
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"Don't try to figure out your life at 20."
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I thought at-at-at 20,
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"I better know what I'm gonna do that day I get that diploma."
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-KIRK: Yeah. -"Because if I don't,
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you know, if I don't have my life all mapped out..."
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-That's good advice. -"...what am I gonna do?"
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Don't worry about that!
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You don't have to have your life mapped out.
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Just do what you're supposed to do that day.
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All right, you guys up for a little adventure?
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-Heck, yeah. -Oh, yes. -I got a high-risk situation
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that I'd like to put you in.
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-JOE: I'm game, let's do it. -You-you took me
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to the top of Garden of the Gods in Colorado.
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And, uh, I'm ready to take you somewhere in California.
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-Ready? -Sounds good. -All right, let's go.
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-I like it, I like it. -All right. -Come on.
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PAUL: Now let me throw this one out at you, Kirk.
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KIRK: Yeah.
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PAUL: Um, how old do you think
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Isaac was when he was offered as a sacrifice
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when Abraham was...
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Well, he had to be younger than a teenager,
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because if-if he was a teenager,
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it wouldn't have been a sacrifice.
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-I'm just kidding. Just a little joke. -(laughs)
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I was trying to figure that one out.
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It was a joke. It was a te...
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It was a joke about the frustration
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-of teenagers. -PAUL: Ah.
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KIRK: If he was a teenager,
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-it wouldn't have been a sacrifice. -PAUL: Yeah.
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That's good, that's good.
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-Hey, how's it going, guys? -MAN: Hey, guys.
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-Hey, I'm Kirk. Bud? -PAUL: Hey, how you doing?
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Bud. This is DJ.
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-Hey, DJ. Nice to meet you. -Paul?
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-Nice to meet you. -Thank you. -How you doing?
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So, we're-we're here for a little competition.
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We're seeing who's got
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the best Spidey skills.
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-Okay. -Whoosh. Up to the top.
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You know, winner takes all.
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-All right. -Winner takes all.
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-He brings his own harness. -Okay?
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You know what, I'm gonna let you do the...
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He's always prepared.
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-These go under your legs. -I already had it with me, Kirk.
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You never know.
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DJ: There we are.
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You're all set.
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These are not all that comfortable.
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You don't look comfortable, Paul.
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(laughs)
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Man was not meant to live like this.
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-(Kirk laughs) -So, what's the...
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what's the race? Are-are...
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We're not going up to race and coming down?
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But you're gonna be staring at me
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because I'm gonna be right above you.
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-(laughs) -You're gonna be staring at my backside.
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I don't care. I just want to look
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-at that right there. -(laughter)
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-I'm just gonna go. -JOE: Yeah.
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-Look at that. -So...
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Like a pro. I told you I've been practicing.
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You did great, man.
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All right.
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Hey, Paul!
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PAUL: Hey, Kirk, what was that you said where...
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-KIRK: Wait. Y-Yeah. -...where you were gonna be
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-and where I was gonna be? -This is not a good view.
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Now, listen, what am I supposed to do now?
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You hold this like this and-and sit-sit...
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PAUL: I don't really want to do that now.
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-Sit down. -Hold-hold the plastic
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with two hands.
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PAUL: I don't want to do that.
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-(chuckles) -BUD: It's a matter of trust.
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-I don't think you got a choice. -JOE: I mean, you can stay up.
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Literally, I can't sit. When I let go,
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-what's gonna happen? -BUD: Trust.
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-You're gonna float. You ever see Mary Poppins? -It's...
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-Hey, buddy. -Just put her there.
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(whoops)
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-There you go. -Float.
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Nice!
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(laughs)
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-That was not good. -Way to go!
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-And look at this guy. Look at this guy. -(whoops)
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With the one toe.
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You looked pretty... you looked pretty good going up.
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I'm fine going up. It's that letting go.
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It's all about letting go, Paul. It's all about letting go.
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Are there some dolphins over there?
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-Yeah. Yeah. -Are those dolphins?
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-This isn't a race, right? We're just... -I'm going to look
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at some dolphins from up high.
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-You're stepping on my hand! -(laughter)
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What's he doing?
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-PAUL: He's stepping on my finger! -Oh!
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That's a cheap move, right there.
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-Cheaters don't win. -JOE: Yeah, but whoever's on the top
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steps on everybody else's finger.
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-I thought that was the... -That's how it works?
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That's survival of the fittest, man.
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-Hey! -We did it.
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Okay, now.
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You got it, Paul! You got it, Paul!
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(chuckles) You can do it.
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How will they get us down?
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One, two, three.
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(Paul screams)
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-(whoops) -I want to do the one foot
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-with the one toe like Joe. -(laughs)
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Nice!
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-(laughs): On your marks... -(laughs)
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...get set, go!
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Take it slow.
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All right.
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We can do this.
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-There's, like, loose holds over here. -All right.
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Come on. Come on.
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We got this. All right, we got this.
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-We got this. We got this. -(laughs)
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Holy cow!
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-(laughs) -Ah! Oh!
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-Oh, Paul, that was your... -(Joe whoops)
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That was your chance, Paul.
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-JOE: Yeah! -That was your chance.
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(laughs)
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That was your chance. All right, I'm gonna go back up.
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-I got to beat Paul. -JOE: That was awesome.
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-PAUL: Fight! -I got to beat Paul.
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I can't find a hold.
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(Paul screams)
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(laughs)
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You had your full weight on me.
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-(laughs) -Nice work, guys.
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We had that worked out,
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but it didn't quite go completely as planned.
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-I did it. -He got up faster than I thought he would.
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-Yeah, I trying to hold him down, too. -I was like,
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"Wait a second, all I can grab is his ankle."
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I've never heard a story
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of someone who made a decision for life,
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chose to have a baby,
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and then later on said they regretted it.
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