Joe Baker and Paul Isaacs | Episode 8
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Joe Baker and Paul Isaacs | Episode 8
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- You don't look comfortable, Paul.
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- Man was not meant to live like this.
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- -We got this! -Holy cow!
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- (laughs, grunts)
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- I'm Kirk Cameron.
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- And I get to meet some pretty amazing people.
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- These are people who totally inspire me
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- with their hearts full of faith,
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- character and courage.
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- They push their limits, they think outside the box,
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- and bravely use their gifts
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- and talents to bless others.
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- And today, we get to spend some time one on one.
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- Raising kids is one of the greatest things
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- in my whole life.
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- Chelsea and I have six of them,
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- and as overwhelming as it can feel sometimes,
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- we wouldn't change it for the whole world.
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- That's why I invited over my friends
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- Joe Baker and Paul Isaacs.
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- They run an organization called Save the Storks.
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- They work with pregnancy resource centers
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- all over the country to provide expectant mothers
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- with free ultrasounds, prenatal care,
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- excellent medical services and information,
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- to help them make truly informed decisions
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- that will be best
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- for them and their baby.
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- They're literally saving
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- and changing lives every single day.
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- Hey, guys.
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- -JOE: Hey, man. -How's it going?
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- -All right. -Good to see you.
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- -PAUL: Kirk. -Hey. How are you?
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- Have a seat.
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- -You like this? -It's a great spread.
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- Real quick, how'd you come up with the name?
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- (Joe and Paul chuckling)
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- There's a great story there.
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- Everybody who isn't pro-life always seems to love
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- an environmental cause, so I said, you know,
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- "Why don't we go with something that sounds environmental?"
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- And so I came up with "Save the Storks."
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- Yeah, it's a mythical bird that carries a baby, you know?
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- And, uh, I printed up these shirts that said,
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- "55 million storks shot down since 1973."
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- Obviously referring to Roe v. Wade.
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- As soon as the box arrived, I put one on and I was headed
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- out the door to the Apple Store.
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- And I didn't even make it to the Genius Bar
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- when this woman grabs me by the shoulder.
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- She turns me around and she says,
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- "I've heard of the spotted owl, and the whale,
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- but who is killing the storks?"
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- -And, uh... -(all chuckling)
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- -She was very concerned about that. -Yeah.
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- And so I couldn't help but tell her that there were
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- some Cheneys up in North Dakota shooting them down
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- as they were coming over the border, and...
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- -You didn't. -Yeah, I did.
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- -You did. (chuckles) -I couldn't help it.
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- -And, uh... -He did.
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- At some point, uh, I level w-with the woman
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- and, I mean, she was ready to sell everything
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- and join my cause and, and then at some point I said,
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- "Ma'am, I'm totally messing with you.
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- "But our cause is even greater than this,
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- 'cause we are saving human lives." And I said,
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- "Many women who are about to make a decision for abortion
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- will choose life because of this organization I'm building."
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- And she got cold and emotionless and she says,
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- "Well, I'm 100% pro-choice."
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- And without even missing a beat, Kirk, I said,
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- "That is wonderful to hear," I said,
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- "Because 84% of post-abortive women have later said
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- "that having an abortion was their only choice.
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- "And I'm here to meet the needs of those women and provide
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- the two alternatives to abortion to them."
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- And this woman had no idea what to do with that.
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- 'Cause suddenly it sounded so pro-choice to her.
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- And I realized, to me, that I was onto something,
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- that our name started our conversation in a new place...
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- -Mm. -...where I can begin a new dialogue,
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- and so it's been a fun aspect of our-our name.
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- Uh, everywhere I go people are asking me, you know,
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- "Who's killing the storks?
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- How do I save the storks?" You know?
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- And, uh, I'm always leading 'em on
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- -before I tell 'em what we really do. -Yeah.
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- I-I love the story of how S-Save the Storks got started.
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- It's the story about you and you went on a mission trip.
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- -Tell the story again. -Yeah, it was actually the Bronx of New York,
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- and we were there, uh, to-to just help women
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- who are going into an abortion clinic
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- make a better decision.
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- And I got to see these young, passionate pro-lifers using
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- a really ghetto, retrofitted shuttle van,
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- uh, probably on about a $5.000 budget.
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- Uh, but they were there, passionately wanting
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- to offer women a free sonogram
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- and some resources if they decided to carry.
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- And when I saw the thing, I said, "I don't know.
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- I'm not-- I don't really think this is gonna work."
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- -Yeah. Yes, it's kind of a shady van... -Yeah.
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- -It was-- Didn't look all-- maybe all that safe. -PAUL: Yeah.
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- And so I was a little bit off to the side,
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- and the girl who's gonna train me that morning,
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- she ran in to get a coffee.
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- And out of nowhere a woman came up to me,
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- who I thought maybe was asking me for directions,
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- says, "I'm here for my appointment."
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- And she thought that I was working
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- at the abortion clinic I was standing in front of.
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- And, uh... uh, I said,
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- "No, no, no, no, I don't work here at this abortion clinic.
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- "Uh, but I'm hanging out with these folks over here
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- "that have this van and some resources
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- "if you'd like to climb aboard.
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- "Uh, they'll-they'll offer you some resources
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- if you decide to carry."
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- Walked her over and I-I presented her
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- to the sonographer at the door.
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- Uh, that gave me just a little bit of time to pray.
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- And, uh, I-I knew something
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- truly amazing was taking place on that vehicle.
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- Uh, but when she came off,
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- I could see there were tears in her eyes
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- and she was be-- booting up her phone.
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- And so I wanted to ask her something.
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- So I said, "Who are you calling?"
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- I didn't know what else to say.
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- -Yeah. -And she said, "I'm calling my mom
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- "to tell her that I'm gonna--
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- "or that she's gonna be a grandmother.
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- And to get some help."
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- -Wow. -And, I'll tell you, man,
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- that changed my life. Like, it was like
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- an addiction that started right then. And...
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- W-What was it inside of that van
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- that-that-that you think changed the game for her?
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- JOE: Yeah, see, the magic is in the sonogram.
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- A mother begins to bond with her baby,
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- sometimes for the first time, with that sonogram.
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- That's what changes the game.
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- -And she hears the heartbeat. -PAUL: Yeah.
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- -And... -And-And that was the thing,
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- Kirk, like, the van may not have looked all that great.
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- Um, but the people that helped that girl
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- -and talked with her... -Yeah.
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- ...and showed her, uh, the ultrasound
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- of what was going on inside her stomach, like,
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- and-and to hear the heartbeat,
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- uh, that changed the game for that girl.
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- -As rudimentary as it was... -Yeah.
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- And it changed the game for him.
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- Yeah, so-so what happened then?
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- So that night, I, uh, called my fiancée, Ann,
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- and I said, "Ann," I said, "What if I could do
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- "what I saw today everywhere in America?
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- "What if we could take it up a notch?
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- What if we could do it with excellence?"
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- And those are the two kind of entrepreneurial problems
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- -I wanted to solve that I was just-- -Hmm.
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- -couldn't even sleep over. -Hmm.
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- And, uh, it was a year later
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- that, uh, Ann-- when Ann and I got married--
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- I got to tell my then father-in-law, I said,
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- "Hey, Dave, uh, uh,
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- "we didn't spend all our money on a house,
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- "but instead we bought this
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- "brand-new Mercedes Sprinter van and some sleeping bags,
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- -and we're going on tour." -Nice! (chuckles)
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- -I bet he was pretty fired up about that. -PAUL: Real exciting.
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- Yeah, that's how we started our marriage, and I'll tell you,
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- it was pure misery at the beginning,
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- -it was really hard. -Mm.
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- -You were living in the van? -Yeah, we lived in the van.
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- With not even just us, we had--
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- we took some other people with us to go on this tour.
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- -And so... Yes. -Great. Great honeymoon.
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- -Exactly. -Great honeymoon scenario.
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- -Yeah. -(Paul laughing)
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- Actually, in the first year, that first bus,
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- I had 394 women make a decision for life,
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- uh, right in front of an abortion clinic.
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- So, inside of the-the bus, which is
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- -a Mercedes Sprinter van... -PAUL: Right.
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- KIRK: ...um, inside, you, like--
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- -you decked it out with... -JOE: Yeah.
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- ...a sonogram machine,
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- ultrasound, with, like, leather seats
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- and, like, surround sound
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- so she can hear the heartbeat
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- and flat-screen TVs.
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- -The whole-- the whole nine yards, right? -Right.
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- The idea is to make a girl feel comfortable
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- and safe. And then to have that kind
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- of technology show them what's going on inside is--
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- it's a game changer.
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- And-and, typically, what-what happens?
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- So
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- So,
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- So, I
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- So, I go
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- So, I got
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- So, I got to
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- So, I got to g
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- So, I got to go
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- So, I got to go
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- So, I got to go
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- So, I got to go ba
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- So, I got to go back
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- So, I got to go back t
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- So, I got to go back to
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- So, I got to go back to th
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- So, I got to go back to the
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- So, I got to go back to the Br
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- So, I got to go back to the Bron
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- So, I got to go back to the Bronx,
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- So, I got to go back to the Bronx, u
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- So, I got to go back to the Bronx, uh,
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- just a couple weeks ago and, uh...
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- and actually take one of our high quality mobile units
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- and do the same thing.
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- And I was amazed at the success rate of it.
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- Uh, we had one woman-- literally had her hand
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- on the door of the abortion clinic
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- when the pregnancy center director said,
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- "Hey, just come on in, into our bus
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- and just consider your options."
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- And she says, "There's no way I'm carrying,
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- but I'll come aboard." And she came aboard
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- and, uh, received the sonogram.
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- And she just began to bond with that baby.
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- -Mm. -And, uh... and she began to share that
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- her and her boyfriend, who just felt
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- like they couldn't have a baby right now and...
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- and yet she began to have that emotional connection and say,
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- "You know, I-I see that it's a living... being,
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- just-just like me."
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- -The sonogram tech ended up putting... -Yeah.
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- -...on the-- on the image, -Right.
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- -"To Mom." "To Mom." And then... -"To Mom."
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- -And she, uh-- and then the girl... -Yeah.
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- the girl was so overwhelmed by that, that she says,
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- "Would you make me another sonogram
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- -and write 'To Dad' on it?" -"To Dad." Yeah.
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- -Oh. Oh. -It was, uh...
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- -And walked off there... -Yeah.
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- -...keeping that baby. -With th-- with those two photos.
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- -Yeah. -With those photos.
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- And she didn't keep her appointment
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- -at-at the clinic? -No. -No. No.
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- -But a hand was on the door. -(exhales)
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- And-and the day was set. Today was--
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- That was the day that she was gonna have an abortion.
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- Wow. And you know what-- you know what's amazing to me
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- about that and what I love about that? There's--
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- -Y-You're not mentioning any picket signs... -No.
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- ...no bullhorns, no shame, no guilt, no judgment.
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- Nothing like that. It's just...
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- You're offering free medical care
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- so that she's more informed,
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- and then the-the baby does the convincing.
- 00:08:54.170 --> 00:08:57.160
- -E-Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, th... -Yeah.
- 00:08:57.170 --> 00:08:59.110
- -That's-that's stellar. -I love it,
- 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:00.290
- like, when you say it like that,
- 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.100
- 'cause that's exactly what it is-- the baby,
- 00:09:02.110 --> 00:09:03.240
- uh, you know, helps the w-woman make the decision
- 00:09:03.250 --> 00:09:05.290
- for life. And-and so much of, like,
- 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:08.090
- what's happened in the past
- 00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:09.230
- with pro-life, like, you know, uh, has been about,
- 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.230
- you know, picketing and protesting and boycotting.
- 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:16.030
- But now it's about-- we're making it about service.
- 00:09:16.040 --> 00:09:18.210
- How do we serve this mom?
- 00:09:18.220 --> 00:09:20.180
- -Yeah. -Because
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- statistics say that 84%
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- of post abortive women later say
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- they felt having an abortion was their only option.
- 00:09:24.250 --> 00:09:27.040
- And 64% of those women say
- 00:09:27.050 --> 00:09:29.200
- they felt pressured into having an abortion.
- 00:09:29.210 --> 00:09:31.220
- So, we're really providing for those women,
- 00:09:31.230 --> 00:09:35.020
- which is a significant number of abortion--
- 00:09:35.030 --> 00:09:37.000
- most of abortions that are happening.
- 00:09:37.010 --> 00:09:38.280
- Uh, 'cause most women don't want to have an abortion.
- 00:09:38.290 --> 00:09:41.100
- They want-- they want another way out.
- 00:09:41.110 --> 00:09:43.160
- Most of the people in the pro-life community,
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- they're heroes that-that are working
- 00:09:46.250 --> 00:09:48.140
- at these pregnancy centers and they actually have
- 00:09:48.150 --> 00:09:51.020
- -a heart of love and compassion. -Mm-hmm.
- 00:09:51.030 --> 00:09:53.200
- The sad thing is, is perhaps in the media
- 00:09:53.210 --> 00:09:56.100
- or something that's going on, it-it tell--
- 00:09:56.110 --> 00:09:58.100
- it shows a different narrative.
- 00:09:58.110 --> 00:10:00.070
- And-and that's another thing that I love,
- 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.270
- is that, with so much fighting and arguing between,
- 00:10:01.280 --> 00:10:05.010
- you know, this political group and that political group
- 00:10:05.020 --> 00:10:07.150
- and, you know-- Or-or men versus women
- 00:10:07.160 --> 00:10:09.190
- and it's-- and it's like everybody's polarized,
- 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.240
- you guys are positioning Save the Storks differently.
- 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:15.000
- It's-- I mean, you have pro-life, you have pro-choice.
- 00:10:15.010 --> 00:10:17.180
- -But you're kind of talking about a third option. -Right.
- 00:10:17.190 --> 00:10:21.020
- People forget that abortion truly affects a woman
- 00:10:21.030 --> 00:10:24.060
- for the rest of her life.
- 00:10:24.070 --> 00:10:26.060
- Uh, we-we've heard some-- I know Joe has, too--
- 00:10:26.070 --> 00:10:29.040
- some stories after we finish speaking
- 00:10:29.050 --> 00:10:32.020
- about women that can't even hear a vacuum cleaner anymore,
- 00:10:32.030 --> 00:10:36.020
- because it-it takes them to a place
- 00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:38.100
- that they experienced in an abortion clinic.
- 00:10:38.110 --> 00:10:40.230
- And so there's a-- there's a lot
- 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.240
- of, um... a lot of healing that needs to take place.
- 00:10:42.250 --> 00:10:45.080
- But we-we care about that woman
- 00:10:45.090 --> 00:10:47.080
- as much as we care about that baby, too.
- 00:10:47.090 --> 00:10:49.100
- And we work with these centers that offer counseling,
- 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:51.080
- -classes, and discipleship... -Yep.
- 00:10:51.090 --> 00:10:53.080
- ...and-and connect her with the resources
- 00:10:53.090 --> 00:10:54.280
- in-in the city that she needs.
- 00:10:54.290 --> 00:10:56.260
- And so that's a big part of what we want to do.
- 00:10:56.270 --> 00:11:00.050
- A-And you connect her, um,
- 00:11:00.060 --> 00:11:02.070
- through the-the resource centers,
- 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:03.270
- even with a community of faith...
- 00:11:03.280 --> 00:11:05.120
- -Absolutely. -that will be with her after her child is born,
- 00:11:05.130 --> 00:11:07.160
- with parenting classes or-or counseling for adoption.
- 00:11:07.170 --> 00:11:10.100
- -Yeah. Exactly. -Yes.
- 00:11:10.110 --> 00:11:11.240
- So, Joe mentioned the word "discipleship,"
- 00:11:11.250 --> 00:11:13.240
- and that was the word that he used when I first met him
- 00:11:13.250 --> 00:11:16.240
- that made me think, "I want to be a part of this, too."
- 00:11:16.250 --> 00:11:19.240
- Because it's not just justice for the sake of justice.
- 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:23.040
- This is a gospel-centered ministry.
- 00:11:23.050 --> 00:11:25.180
- We want a-a young woman,
- 00:11:25.190 --> 00:11:27.080
- and perhaps her significant other,
- 00:11:27.090 --> 00:11:29.080
- to hear about Jesus and what he's done for them.
- 00:11:29.090 --> 00:11:32.140
- 'Cause Jesus wants to visit this girl in the same way
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- that he met the woman at the well
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- or the woman caught in adultery
- 00:11:36.020 --> 00:11:37.260
- and that was with grace and with truth.
- 00:11:37.270 --> 00:11:39.200
- -Mm. -That's what we-we really try to provide.
- 00:11:39.210 --> 00:11:42.000
- You see, the-the grace is in our approach,
- 00:11:42.010 --> 00:11:44.050
- in our own brokenness, in our own...
- 00:11:44.060 --> 00:11:46.030
- -That's right. -...sense of our need.
- 00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:47.190
- Because we all have sinned that we-- that we--
- 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.130
- that has affected our relationship with God.
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- And so this girl is no different than what we are
- 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.090
- and what we have been.
- 00:11:55.100 --> 00:11:56.190
- But the truth is in that ultrasound.
- 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.190
- And when they see the truth, that's a game changer.
- 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.090
- So, Jesus was full of grace and truth,
- 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:03.030
- and that's what we-we try to do.
- 00:12:03.040 --> 00:12:05.010
- You know this is important to me, because, right,
- 00:12:05.020 --> 00:12:06.110
- -my wife is an adopted child. -Right.
- 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:08.050
- Four of our six children were adopted.
- 00:12:08.060 --> 00:12:10.190
- I mean, they are those pre-born, uh, infants,
- 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:15.050
- uh, in-in the womb,
- 00:12:15.060 --> 00:12:16.290
- and I am so thankful that someone came up
- 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.030
- alongside those young mothers and said,
- 00:12:19.040 --> 00:12:21.070
- -"I'm with you. You're not alone." -PAUL: Right.
- 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.030
- "You can do this. You have a miracle growing inside of you.
- 00:12:23.040 --> 00:12:25.230
- God loves you. And we're gonna-- we're gonna help you."
- 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.020
- Uh, and it was, like, that's what they...
- 00:12:29.030 --> 00:12:31.020
- -what they wanted to do. -PAUL: Mm-hmm.
- 00:12:31.030 --> 00:12:32.180
- And my whole family is here because of it,
- 00:12:32.190 --> 00:12:34.090
- including my natural-born kids, 'cause if Chelsea wasn't born,
- 00:12:34.100 --> 00:12:36.210
- Olivia and James wouldn't be here, either.
- 00:12:36.220 --> 00:12:38.120
- -PAUL: Yeah. Wow. -JOE: That's right.
- 00:12:38.130 --> 00:12:39.160
- So my entire family exists
- 00:12:39.170 --> 00:12:40.280
- -because of what you're doing... -PAUL: It's huge.
- 00:12:40.290 --> 00:12:42.220
- -PAUL: Yeah. -...to help these birth mothers.
- 00:12:42.230 --> 00:12:44.060
- -We love adoption at Save the Storks. -Yeah.
- 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:46.060
- -Oh, my gosh. -We just absolutely love it.
- 00:12:46.070 --> 00:12:48.050
- And adoption is...
- 00:12:48.060 --> 00:12:50.000
- is really at the center of God's heart, I think.
- 00:12:50.010 --> 00:12:52.050
- -PAUL: Mm-hmm. -Right?
- 00:12:52.060 --> 00:12:53.250
- Because I think of how... what-what an amazing thing
- 00:12:53.260 --> 00:12:56.020
- -that He adopts us... -PAUL: Right.
- 00:12:56.030 --> 00:12:57.140
- ...into that heavenly family by faith, uh, uh, by choice.
- 00:12:57.150 --> 00:13:02.040
- -PAUL: Yeah. -And it... I...
- 00:13:02.050 --> 00:13:04.140
- Well, Kirk, God uses both illustrations in the Bible.
- 00:13:04.150 --> 00:13:07.160
- He uses an-an-an issue of being born into the family of God.
- 00:13:07.170 --> 00:13:10.190
- -Mm. -But He also chooses
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- to use the message of adoption, as well.
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- We love to hear the stories back from our pregnancy centers.
- 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:17.080
- Um, we want to shout those stories
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- and-and let everyone hear those stories.
- 00:13:19.230 --> 00:13:22.190
- There was a couple that went in.
- 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.210
- The young woman went in.
- 00:13:24.220 --> 00:13:26.080
- The young guy, her significant other, came out...
- 00:13:26.090 --> 00:13:28.270
- boyfriend came out for a smoke.
- 00:13:28.280 --> 00:13:30.270
- And he's-he's smoking, but he sees the Stork bus there,
- 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:34.030
- walks over to find out a little bit about what's going on,
- 00:13:34.040 --> 00:13:36.180
- and they engage with him
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- about what they do and why they're there.
- 00:13:37.290 --> 00:13:39.250
- That they're there to help girls have more choices,
- 00:13:39.260 --> 00:13:43.050
- you know, than just abortion
- 00:13:43.060 --> 00:13:44.130
- and-and, uh, they're providing these services.
- 00:13:44.140 --> 00:13:46.040
- Well, she came out in an armband.
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- They'd already put the armband on her,
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- they'd already taken her blood,
- 00:13:50.050 --> 00:13:51.100
- so she had a Band-Aid on with the...
- 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:53.060
- with the cotton.
- 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:54.140
- And so she comes out to get a smoke, as well,
- 00:13:54.150 --> 00:13:56.130
- sees her boyfriend over at the van and walks over.
- 00:13:56.140 --> 00:13:58.190
- And the boyfriend, along with those dear people
- 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.060
- in Albuquerque, convince her, "Let's just get on here.
- 00:14:01.070 --> 00:14:03.270
- "We have nothing to lose.
- 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:05.090
- Let's see an image of this baby and hear the heartbeat."
- 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:07.140
- And she does, and when those two heard the heartbeat,
- 00:14:07.150 --> 00:14:10.180
- and they saw the ultrasound, they said, "We can't do this."
- 00:14:10.190 --> 00:14:14.020
- And she-she said, "Do you have some scissors?
- 00:14:14.030 --> 00:14:16.140
- I've got to take this-this armband off."
- 00:14:16.150 --> 00:14:18.140
- And they-they-they go... started scrambling.
- 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:21.050
- They say, "Yeah, we'll-we'll get that."
- 00:14:21.060 --> 00:14:22.190
- And-and she couldn't wait for the scissors.
- 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.040
- She ripped the armband off, and said,
- 00:14:24.050 --> 00:14:26.070
- "We're gonna keep this baby."
- 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.170
- But the beauty of the story, to me, is even...
- 00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:29.200
- It gets better.
- 00:14:29.210 --> 00:14:31.050
- And that is both these young people heard the gospel
- 00:14:31.060 --> 00:14:33.200
- from our... those people at that pregnancy center in Albuquerque.
- 00:14:33.210 --> 00:14:36.100
- And they both received Jesus Christ as their savior.
- 00:14:36.110 --> 00:14:38.270
- -And to me, that's the... that's the biggest thing. -Mm.
- 00:14:38.280 --> 00:14:41.080
- The biggest need that we all have.
- 00:14:41.090 --> 00:14:43.040
- So what advice would you give to an expectant mother
- 00:14:43.050 --> 00:14:46.200
- who's feeling like, "This is not part of the plan?"
- 00:14:46.210 --> 00:14:50.010
- -Mm. -Right.
- 00:14:50.020 --> 00:14:52.010
- What do you... what do you... what do you say?
- 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:53.120
- How do you meet a girl
- 00:14:53.130 --> 00:14:54.180
- in-in that moment of need like that?
- 00:14:54.190 --> 00:14:56.100
- We just help her see that her three options are
- 00:14:56.110 --> 00:14:58.190
- parenting, adoption and abortion.
- 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.060
- And we want her to see how each of those is gonna impact her.
- 00:15:01.070 --> 00:15:04.030
- -Hmm. -And of those three,
- 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:06.090
- the one that harms her the most is abortion.
- 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:09.150
- It comes with lifelong pa... very painful consequences.
- 00:15:09.160 --> 00:15:13.230
- Um, and a lot of times we think that-that...
- 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.240
- that abortion is-is a quick, easy way
- 00:15:16.250 --> 00:15:19.000
- to get rid of something, but it really isn't.
- 00:15:19.010 --> 00:15:21.000
- It's gonna come with a lot of pain and hardship for her.
- 00:15:21.010 --> 00:15:24.260
- And so we focus our counseling around her and her needs.
- 00:15:24.270 --> 00:15:28.110
- And, uh, we've found that that's a really successful way
- 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.210
- of leading a woman to the truth.
- 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:34.010
- That parenting or adoption are far superior choices
- 00:15:34.020 --> 00:15:37.210
- than abortion.
- 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:39.010
- Would you have any words of advice to anyone
- 00:15:39.020 --> 00:15:40.280
- who might be watching that's saying,
- 00:15:40.290 --> 00:15:42.110
- "Wow. How can I best help my-my daughter or-or my son
- 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:47.010
- "whose girlfriend is now in this situation?
- 00:15:47.020 --> 00:15:48.200
- We didn't expect this."
- 00:15:48.210 --> 00:15:50.080
- Yeah, uh, a lot of times people, they-they just need a reality,
- 00:15:50.090 --> 00:15:54.100
- some-someone to come in and say, "This is real.
- 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:56.290
- "You're a mom now, you're gonna have a baby,
- 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.050
- "and everyone is gonna love you and love that baby
- 00:16:00.060 --> 00:16:02.220
- "when the baby comes.
- 00:16:02.230 --> 00:16:04.260
- "There's not one person in your life
- 00:16:04.270 --> 00:16:06.150
- -who's gonna reject that baby when the baby comes." -Mm.
- 00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:09.050
- This isn't just about the bus and the ultrasound machine
- 00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:11.260
- and then, you know,
- 00:16:11.270 --> 00:16:13.120
- she-she walks away, and she decides, "Okay. I'm gonna...
- 00:16:13.130 --> 00:16:16.130
- This is... this is the choice I'm gonna make."
- 00:16:16.140 --> 00:16:18.110
- Tell me about the ongoing services.
- 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.280
- What happens even after--
- 00:16:19.290 --> 00:16:21.050
- through the nine months and even after that?
- 00:16:21.060 --> 00:16:23.090
- Yeah, I mean, at the center I was recently talking to, they...
- 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:25.180
- I think they do five or six years' worth of clothing,
- 00:16:25.190 --> 00:16:28.100
- where you can come to the center, and it's like,
- 00:16:28.110 --> 00:16:31.280
- they have brand-new clothing based on ages.
- 00:16:31.290 --> 00:16:34.170
- You can come in and get clothing for them.
- 00:16:34.180 --> 00:16:36.250
- And it's-it's ongoing classes and-and all sorts of classes.
- 00:16:36.260 --> 00:16:41.240
- Some of the girls who are women
- 00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:43.190
- that come aboard the bus, make a decision for life, they don't...
- 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.040
- They've never even had someone teach them
- 00:16:46.050 --> 00:16:47.150
- how to balance a check... checkbook.
- 00:16:47.160 --> 00:16:49.130
- They don't have a-a father figure in their life
- 00:16:49.140 --> 00:16:51.240
- to teach them things like that.
- 00:16:51.250 --> 00:16:53.140
- And so, we're teaching basic things.
- 00:16:53.150 --> 00:16:55.090
- You know, how to cook a meal, um, and how to be a mom, and
- 00:16:55.100 --> 00:16:59.080
- it's-it's that, like, touching, that-that intimate friendship
- 00:16:59.090 --> 00:17:03.250
- -that's... that happens with these centers... -Mm. Mm.
- 00:17:03.260 --> 00:17:06.020
- ...that really leads someone not just,
- 00:17:06.030 --> 00:17:08.030
- um... not just away from a harsh lifestyle,
- 00:17:08.040 --> 00:17:11.170
- -but actually out of poverty. -Yeah.
- 00:17:11.180 --> 00:17:13.200
- And, and into a life of flourishing,
- 00:17:13.210 --> 00:17:17.020
- where they begin to, you know, develop a real spiritual life.
- 00:17:17.030 --> 00:17:20.120
- Want... They want to...
- 00:17:20.130 --> 00:17:21.190
- They want to serve the Lord with their life.
- 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.240
- Joe, if you could give advice
- 00:17:23.250 --> 00:17:26.190
- to the 20-year-old version of yourself...
- 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.000
- (chuckles)
- 00:17:29.010 --> 00:17:30.100
- ...what would... what would you say?
- 00:17:30.110 --> 00:17:32.060
- I'd want the 20-year-old version of me to go and work for free
- 00:17:32.070 --> 00:17:35.260
- for somebody who... like you.
- 00:17:35.270 --> 00:17:38.010
- For somebody in their 40s or 50s
- 00:17:38.020 --> 00:17:40.210
- who's really already been very successful.
- 00:17:40.220 --> 00:17:43.090
- Why would you tell yourself that?
- 00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:44.250
- 'Cause I'm an entrepreneur, and I think
- 00:17:44.260 --> 00:17:46.200
- there would have been just tremendous value in...
- 00:17:46.210 --> 00:17:49.250
- I mean, I-I've made a lot of mistakes in building things.
- 00:17:49.260 --> 00:17:52.260
- And, man, I could've learned a lot of these lessons.
- 00:17:52.270 --> 00:17:55.230
- And now, I'm actually in the place in my life
- 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.190
- where I'm actually thinking,
- 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:59.000
- "I could help a lot of people not learn these lessons
- 00:17:59.010 --> 00:18:01.070
- that I've learned." You know?
- 00:18:01.080 --> 00:18:03.050
- I don't know if you'd ever learn much from hanging out with me,
- 00:18:03.060 --> 00:18:05.050
- working for me for free... -(laughs)
- 00:18:05.060 --> 00:18:06.110
- But, uh, but... I-I hear what you're saying.
- 00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:07.220
- -PAUL: You could use some help. -That's a great idea.
- 00:18:07.230 --> 00:18:09.050
- -I could mow the lawn, I... -Yeah.
- 00:18:09.060 --> 00:18:10.270
- How about you? What do you think, Paul?
- 00:18:10.280 --> 00:18:12.000
- I would probably, at-at 20 years old,
- 00:18:12.010 --> 00:18:14.050
- I would say to myself or... I would say,
- 00:18:14.060 --> 00:18:17.180
- "Don't try to figure out your life at 20."
- 00:18:17.190 --> 00:18:20.190
- I thought at-at-at 20,
- 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.280
- "I better know what I'm gonna do that day I get that diploma."
- 00:18:22.290 --> 00:18:25.170
- -KIRK: Yeah. -"Because if I don't,
- 00:18:25.180 --> 00:18:27.100
- you know, if I don't have my life all mapped out..."
- 00:18:27.110 --> 00:18:30.060
- -That's good advice. -"...what am I gonna do?"
- 00:18:30.070 --> 00:18:32.150
- Don't worry about that!
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- You don't have to have your life mapped out.
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- Just do what you're supposed to do that day.
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- All right, you guys up for a little adventure?
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- -Heck, yeah. -Oh, yes. -I got a high-risk situation
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- that I'd like to put you in.
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- -JOE: I'm game, let's do it. -You-you took me
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- to the top of Garden of the Gods in Colorado.
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- And, uh, I'm ready to take you somewhere in California.
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- -Ready? -Sounds good. -All right, let's go.
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- -I like it, I like it. -All right. -Come on.
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- PAUL: Now let me throw this one out at you, Kirk.
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- KIRK: Yeah.
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- PAUL: Um, how old do you think
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- Isaac was when he was offered as a sacrifice
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- when Abraham was...
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- Well, he had to be younger than a teenager,
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- because if-if he was a teenager,
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- it wouldn't have been a sacrifice.
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- -I'm just kidding. Just a little joke. -(laughs)
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- I was trying to figure that one out.
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- It was a joke. It was a te...
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- It was a joke about the frustration
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- -of teenagers. -PAUL: Ah.
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- KIRK: If he was a teenager,
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- -it wouldn't have been a sacrifice. -PAUL: Yeah.
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- That's good, that's good.
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- -Hey, how's it going, guys? -MAN: Hey, guys.
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- -Hey, I'm Kirk. Bud? -PAUL: Hey, how you doing?
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- Bud. This is DJ.
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- -Hey, DJ. Nice to meet you. -Paul?
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- -Nice to meet you. -Thank you. -How you doing?
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- So, we're-we're here for a little competition.
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- We're seeing who's got
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- the best Spidey skills.
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- -Okay. -Whoosh. Up to the top.
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- You know, winner takes all.
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- -All right. -Winner takes all.
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- -He brings his own harness. -Okay?
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- You know what, I'm gonna let you do the...
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- He's always prepared.
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- -These go under your legs. -I already had it with me, Kirk.
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- You never know.
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- DJ: There we are.
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- You're all set.
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- These are not all that comfortable.
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- You don't look comfortable, Paul.
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- (laughs)
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- Man was not meant to live like this.
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- -(Kirk laughs) -So, what's the...
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- what's the race? Are-are...
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- We're not going up to race and coming down?
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- But you're gonna be staring at me
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- because I'm gonna be right above you.
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- -(laughs) -You're gonna be staring at my backside.
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- I don't care. I just want to look
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- -at that right there. -(laughter)
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- -I'm just gonna go. -JOE: Yeah.
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- -Look at that. -So...
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- Like a pro. I told you I've been practicing.
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- You did great, man.
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- All right.
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- Hey, Paul!
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- PAUL: Hey, Kirk, what was that you said where...
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- -KIRK: Wait. Y-Yeah. -...where you were gonna be
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- -and where I was gonna be? -This is not a good view.
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- Now, listen, what am I supposed to do now?
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- You hold this like this and-and sit-sit...
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- PAUL: I don't really want to do that now.
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- -Sit down. -Hold-hold the plastic
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- with two hands.
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- PAUL: I don't want to do that.
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- -(chuckles) -BUD: It's a matter of trust.
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- -I don't think you got a choice. -JOE: I mean, you can stay up.
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- Literally, I can't sit. When I let go,
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- -what's gonna happen? -BUD: Trust.
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- -You're gonna float. You ever see Mary Poppins? -It's...
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- -Hey, buddy. -Just put her there.
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- (whoops)
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- -There you go. -Float.
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- Nice!
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- (laughs)
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- -That was not good. -Way to go!
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- -And look at this guy. Look at this guy. -(whoops)
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- With the one toe.
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- You looked pretty... you looked pretty good going up.
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- I'm fine going up. It's that letting go.
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- It's all about letting go, Paul. It's all about letting go.
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- Are there some dolphins over there?
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- -Yeah. Yeah. -Are those dolphins?
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- -This isn't a race, right? We're just... -I'm going to look
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- at some dolphins from up high.
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- -You're stepping on my hand! -(laughter)
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- What's he doing?
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- -PAUL: He's stepping on my finger! -Oh!
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- That's a cheap move, right there.
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- -Cheaters don't win. -JOE: Yeah, but whoever's on the top
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- steps on everybody else's finger.
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- -I thought that was the... -That's how it works?
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- That's survival of the fittest, man.
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- -Hey! -We did it.
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- Okay, now.
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- You got it, Paul! You got it, Paul!
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- (chuckles) You can do it.
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- How will they get us down?
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- One, two, three.
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- (Paul screams)
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- -(whoops) -I want to do the one foot
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- -with the one toe like Joe. -(laughs)
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- Nice!
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- -(laughs): On your marks... -(laughs)
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- ...get set, go!
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- Take it slow.
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- All right.
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- We can do this.
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- -There's, like, loose holds over here. -All right.
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- Come on. Come on.
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- We got this. All right, we got this.
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- -We got this. We got this. -(laughs)
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- Holy cow!
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- -(laughs) -Ah! Oh!
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- -Oh, Paul, that was your... -(Joe whoops)
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- That was your chance, Paul.
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- -JOE: Yeah! -That was your chance.
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- (laughs)
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- That was your chance. All right, I'm gonna go back up.
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- -I got to beat Paul. -JOE: That was awesome.
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- -PAUL: Fight! -I got to beat Paul.
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- I can't find a hold.
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- (Paul screams)
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- (laughs)
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- You had your full weight on me.
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- -(laughs) -Nice work, guys.
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- We had that worked out,
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- but it didn't quite go completely as planned.
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- -I did it. -He got up faster than I thought he would.
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- -Yeah, I trying to hold him down, too. -I was like,
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- "Wait a second, all I can grab is his ankle."
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- I've never heard a story
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- of someone who made a decision for life,
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- chose to have a baby,
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- and then later on said they regretted it.
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