Jeremy Miller and Tracey Gold | Episode 11
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Jeremy Miller and Tracey Gold | Episode 11
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- -And I still have to, just tell-- tell me when. I'll come. -Dude!
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- -H-He shot you down. -I just need to stand back.
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- -Ah... -And there's a little hard thing
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- -right in the middle. -Okay. I'm gonna be sick.
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- Just start taking the heads off.
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- Oh, God!
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- I'm Kirk Cameron. And I get to meet
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- some pretty amazing people.
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- These are people who totally inspire me
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- with their hearts
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- full of faith, character and courage.
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- They push their limits, they think outside the box
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- and bravely use their gifts and talents
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- to bless others.
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- And today, we get to spend some time...
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- When I was a little kid, I never wanted to be on TV.
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- I didn't want to grow up and be an actor,
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- I wanted to become a doctor.
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- But one day after school, my mom took me to an audition
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- for a role on a show called Growing Pains.
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- And, of course, that changed the direction of my whole life.
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- I worked on that show for almost ten years,
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- and I made some great friendships,
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- including with my little brother and sister on the show,
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- Ben and Carol Seaver,
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- played by Tracey Gold and Jeremy Miller.
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- So I invited them over to come hang out, have some breakfast,
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- and, uh, see how they're doing and talk about the great things
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- that they're doing in their life.
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- Hey, you guys.
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- -Hey, brother. -Come here. How's it going?
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- Great to see you. Have a seat.
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- -Hi. -Hi.
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- -How are you? -Good.
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- -So great to see you guys. You like it? -Nice.
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- -What do you think? -Yeah, what a spread. -Nice spread.
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- -You like this? -Very cool.
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- I'm very excited about this.
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- There's sausage, we got turkey.
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- -Got some fruit and honey. -Look at you, all healthy.
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- How have you guys been?
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- -Doing great. -Good. Really good.
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- Yeah. Family's good. Things are going pretty...
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- -Ooh. Whoa. -Nice.
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- -I'm glad you did that and not me. -I can't pour.
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- -So, yeah, how you doing, man? -It's beautiful back here, Kirk.
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- I'm doing great. Chelsea's, um, Chelsea's doing great.
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- The kids are great. You know, Jack's getting married.
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- -I told you that. Jack's getting married. -Uh-huh. Amazing.
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- And, uh, Isabella is about to move.
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- So it's the fir-- the first bird to fly the nest.
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- -The first. -Oh, that's so scary. -Yeah.
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- I'm half upset, can't believe that so much time has gone by,
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- my kids are leaving the nest, and I'm half excited
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- about being an empty nester.
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- -(laughs) -'Cause I'm thinking, I get my girlfriend back again.
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- -Oh, that's nice. -All to myself. -Time together.
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- -Yep. Mm-hmm. -All to myself.
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- But also, it's the natural progression of life.
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- It's, like, what they're supposed to do, I mean...
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- -Right. -So it's hard on us,
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- -but that's what you want them to do. -Absolutely.
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- You don't want them at, you know, 45
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- -still living at home. Right. -No.
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- So, it's-it's just what our parents went through and what...
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- -Mm-hmm. -now we have to go through.
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- -So, you guys, w-when I think about this... -Mm-hmm.
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- ...some people, the last time that they saw us all together
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- was back in the 1980s, and we were Mike, Ben and Carol Seaver,
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- up to, u-up to some prank or something
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- with Jason and Maggie.
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- And now, here we are and we're all grown up.
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- And now, I'm-I'm, uh...
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- -Speak for yourself. -(laughs)
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- I'm married 27 years, and I have six kids.
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- -How did that happen? -Right?
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- And you, you're-you're married. You...
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- Yeah. We-We'll be married 24 years, um, this month.
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- -24 years. -Yeah, 24 years, and we have four boys.
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- -Four boys. -That's amazing.
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- Joanie have been together, it'll be 15 years
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- -in February, so... -Yeah, and we've been together--
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- -Roby and I've been together 29. -Right.
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- Amazing. I-I can't believe how fast time goes by.
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- -You're telling me. -Now wait a minute, I-I saw a video of you recently
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- that said that you dated-- you said you dated my sister.
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- -What was that all about? I don't remember that. -Oh, I saw that, too, Jeremy.
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- -Nobody told me that. -I don't really think--
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- -I don't think we can quite call it dating... -Wait, you dated,
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- -you dated my sister Candace? -We-we clarified this.
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- Yes, yes. We clarified this. There's no dating at that age.
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- I'm gonna t-- where's my phone? I got to text and verify.
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- -I-I'm not sure. -She'll verify it. She'll verify it.
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- -All right. -I think they might have just said they liked each other
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- -and called it a day. -It was that-- you remember at that time,
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- -it was that "going together" thing. -"Going with." Yeah.
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- -You were going together? Yeah. -It was that "going together" thing.
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- You didn't go anywhere, you just, you know...
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- -Yeah. I mean, you were a thing, you were a thing. -You're right. I remember that.
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- -So that-- that was real? -Yeah, that was...
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- -Why did I never hear about that? She never told me. -That was actually real.
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- And there was no Instagram back then, so I wouldn't have
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- -seen it, sort of, in social media. -Exactly. There was nothing...
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- -I think he was just hanging around. -Again, it was-- all we did--
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- I mean, you saw the most of it. When we had the wrap parties,
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- we'd dance together whenever "Careless Whispers"
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- -was played, or whatever. -(laughter)
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- -"Careless Whispers!" -You know.
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- What was that band? What band was that?
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- -Uh, Wham! That was Wham! -Wham! Okay. -That was Wham!
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- -Oh, my goodness. -So, you know, that was the extent of it, but yeah.
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- Apparently, I-- and I didn't remember this,
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- but this is how Candace remembers it--
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- apparently, I broke up with her through Melissa.
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- -(laughs) -So that I could go out with Danica.
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- -What a jerk. -Yeah, apparently.
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- -Yeah. -Oh, man.
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- And it was so awkward, too, because we were on a TV show,
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- -so if everyone liked somebody, you know? -TRACEY: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- If it was somebody from another show, or it was something--
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- -it was like, you know... -Oh, it was a big deal.
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- -Bop magazine was all over that, so... -Oh, yeah.
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- -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Exactly.
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- I've talked to my sister Candace about this and, you know,
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- today, kids have a sense of, uh, of...
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- of extreme pressure when it comes to being teenagers,
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- because of social media.
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- You've got pictures and cameras in your face all the time,
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- and you're, and you're constantly on display
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- with this perfect life that you want to show to everybody else.
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- But in our day, we had a version of that
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- in the fact that we were just in the public eye,
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- and there were paparazzi cameras on us.
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- It wasn't Instagram, but it increased a sense
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- of having to be all that and all, you know, be gr--
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- look great, always sound great, have the right things to say,
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- always be funny, and it put the pressure on us,
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- particularly, that I think a lot of people
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- don't, don't really understand.
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- Oh. I mean, I-I-- absolutely.
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- -As we all know, I felt pressure for sure. -Mm-hmm.
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- And I do wonder what it would've been like for us
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- if we had been on TV in this day and age
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- -with, like, even more pressure. -Yeah. Yeah.
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- You know? More a-access to us and stuff.
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- I felt like we kind of could go and hide away a little bit,
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- -like, when we left the set. -Yeah. Yeah.
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- We'd go home and we could kind of just, like,
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- let our guard down, especially 'cause none of us lived,
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- like, you know, we lived a little further away
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- -from the studios and stuff like that. -Mm-hmm.
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- But there was pressure, absolutely.
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- And we were going through our adolescence
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- just like everybody else, but we were supposed to go through them
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- -kind of perfectly. Yeah. -On display. -That's right.
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- 'Cause we were the Seavers. All of our problems got resolved
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- -in 30 minutes. -TRACEY: We're supposed to be perfect. Yeah.
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- -For me, being a girl on TV was a lot of pressure. -Yeah.
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- And going through-- you know, I was 16
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- when I got Growing Pains, and...
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- By the time-- probably I was, like, a year later, I think
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- I had, like, gained a little bit of weight, and there was just
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- a lot of pressure to be-- look a certain way,
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- be a certain way, and, you know, eventually led
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- to my eating disorder, but...
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- For me, it caused a lot of insecurity.
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- And then, they would bring in-- best of Hollywood, you know?
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- The most beautiful, the... you know,
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- and you're just sitting there, you're like, "Oh, my God."
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- They're just, like, one's prettier after another
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- that would come through the, the Growing Pains set.
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- And so as, you know, when you're 16, there--
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- it breeds a little insecurity.
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- So, I remember just feeling a sense of "who,
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- who can I really trust?"
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- Here I'm this guy on TV, and everybody thinks they know you.
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- -Yep. -But they don't know you.
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- Mm-hmm. Well, even by sixth grade, I mean...
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- (stammers) Sixth grade, what-- that's 12 years old?
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- I had already started kind of testing friends occasionally
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- by telling them the show had gotten canceled
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- -and seeing their response. -Wow.
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- -Did they keep talking to me? -Really?
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- And that's at 12, I was already doing that
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- -to kind of judge where I stood with... -Well...
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- -Just to figure out who your real friends are. -Yeah, so...
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- Uh, when I, when I started dating Roby, I remember--
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- 'cause my dad's an agent, also, it's like... all, like--
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- you know, any guy that y-you date is like, "Ugh,
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- are they an actor? Do they want to be an actor?"
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- -Yeah. Right, flaky. This isn't gonna last. -Like, what-- right?
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- -And he didn't, which was awesome, so... -Yeah.
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- But it was, like, all of that kind of stuff,
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- I always, like, questioned anyone's motivation.
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- Right. Do they want to know you for who you are?
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- -For who I am? Yes. -Or for what you can bring to them?
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- -Yes. Yep. -Right.
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- So, uh, what did, what did-- what have you learned,
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- and what advice would you give to young girls today
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- who are wrestling with the same stuff?
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- It's hard to live in this society
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- -and not have insecurities. -Yeah.
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- But I think that you have to just keep them in check.
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- The way that-that society is built, you know,
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- it feeds into our insecurities, but I don't let them
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- get the better of me just because I went down
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- such a slippery road.
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- My eating disorder, like, just stopped everything
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- that I loved in my life, so I had to, like, choose.
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- Like, like, do I want all these things I love in my life,
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- or do I want this eating disorder that's really no longer
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- fulfilling any kind of purpose for me?
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- All it's doing is keeping me isolated.
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- And what I realized was, at my lowest weight,
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- i-it didn't make me any happier than I was when I was,
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- you know, Carol Seaver and, you know...
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- -I was able to-to sort of realize there's a balance. -Yeah.
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- And, you know, nobody's gonna really talk too much about,
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- you know, how much you weighed when you died.
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- It's gonna be the quality of life that you lived.
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- It just sounds so funny even when you say that.
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- -Like, of course nobody's gonna talk about that. -Of course.
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- Yet it's so important to us, especially when we're teenagers.
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- -Jeremy, talk for a minute about the specific pressures -Yes.
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- you were feeling, and the challenges that you had
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- to work through during the show.
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- The insecurities we
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- The insecurities were really big for me
- 00:08:32.030 --> 00:08:32.040
- The insecurities were really big for me.
- 00:08:32.040 --> 00:08:32.240
- And, um...
- 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:35.030
- having to...
- 00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:37.220
- be "on" all the time. That's what I called it,
- 00:08:37.230 --> 00:08:40.080
- -was always having to be on. -Yeah.
- 00:08:40.090 --> 00:08:42.060
- You know, always having to act...
- 00:08:42.070 --> 00:08:44.190
- more adult, carry myself more... professionally.
- 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:48.010
- -Mm. -All that stuff, um...
- 00:08:48.020 --> 00:08:49.220
- Most of my being on TV,
- 00:08:49.230 --> 00:08:52.050
- you know, was 12 and under, 13 and under.
- 00:08:52.060 --> 00:08:54.170
- -Mm-hmm. -You guys were more teen,
- 00:08:54.180 --> 00:08:56.030
- you had a little more input in what you were doing.
- 00:08:56.040 --> 00:08:58.120
- I had a...
- 00:08:58.130 --> 00:08:59.260
- step-idiot who, you know,
- 00:08:59.270 --> 00:09:02.060
- basically tried to control everything, who had...
- 00:09:02.070 --> 00:09:04.150
- Yeah, you had a rough experience, I mean,
- 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:06.120
- -Kirk and I came from... -I had some issues I was dealing with.
- 00:09:06.130 --> 00:09:08.110
- ...from, you know, I think we were lucky
- 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.040
- that the stability with our families
- 00:09:10.050 --> 00:09:12.030
- -really were helpful. -Helped us a lot.
- 00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:13.200
- -Yeah, he was... -And you had a little bit more instability.
- 00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:15.280
- ...a little more, uh, he was more conducive
- 00:09:15.290 --> 00:09:18.030
- -to the insecurity; he added a lot to that as well. -Right.
- 00:09:18.040 --> 00:09:21.040
- -Mm. -So I, you know,
- 00:09:21.050 --> 00:09:23.150
- I ended up dealing with it with alcohol.
- 00:09:23.160 --> 00:09:25.050
- -I mean, I did what a lot of people do. -Yep.
- 00:09:25.060 --> 00:09:27.100
- I-I ran to an addiction. I just wanted to blot it out.
- 00:09:27.110 --> 00:09:30.070
- I didn't want to deal with it.
- 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:31.250
- Um... I, you know,
- 00:09:31.260 --> 00:09:33.090
- because of a lot of the stuff on the show,
- 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:37.010
- my stepfather, all that, I-I developed
- 00:09:37.020 --> 00:09:39.110
- a really strong social anxiety disorder.
- 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.260
- Um, to the point where I was just absolutely crippled
- 00:09:41.270 --> 00:09:44.040
- trying to go out of the house a lot of times.
- 00:09:44.050 --> 00:09:46.000
- And the way I dealt with that was alcohol.
- 00:09:46.010 --> 00:09:47.250
- -Oh, I didn't know you couldn't go out of the house. -Yeah, it's--
- 00:09:47.260 --> 00:09:50.090
- -That you had anxiety. Wow. -There was a period there, where...
- 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:52.080
- And you know what I love is that you're at the point now,
- 00:09:52.090 --> 00:09:56.200
- and-and you are at the point now, publicly,
- 00:09:56.210 --> 00:09:59.080
- where you guys are helping others through the things
- 00:09:59.090 --> 00:10:01.280
- that you've gone through to be able to bring comfort
- 00:10:01.290 --> 00:10:03.240
- -and inspiration and help... -That's something that...
- 00:10:03.250 --> 00:10:05.190
- ...to people who are dealing with the same thoughts.
- 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.110
- Joanie and I have always, uh, you know,
- 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.030
- Joanie's had a hard life as well.
- 00:10:10.040 --> 00:10:11.240
- And her and I both find a lot of purpose
- 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:14.060
- in taking the really screwed up things
- 00:10:14.070 --> 00:10:16.120
- -that we've gone through... -Yep.
- 00:10:16.130 --> 00:10:17.200
- -...and utilizing them to help others. -Yep.
- 00:10:17.210 --> 00:10:19.280
- And both her and I really feel that that is...
- 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:22.190
- why we go through those things,
- 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.150
- -is so that we can learn... -How great is that?
- 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:26.270
- -'Cause, Jeremey, I could... -...and be able to help someone else.
- 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:29.250
- You can speak to those people from experience
- 00:10:29.260 --> 00:10:32.250
- -with authority in a way that I never could. -Mm-hmm.
- 00:10:32.260 --> 00:10:35.100
- Or Tracey never could, because we haven't been through it.
- 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:38.040
- Like, and it's so great you have that perspective. I love it.
- 00:10:38.050 --> 00:10:40.050
- It makes an amazing difference, it really does.
- 00:10:40.060 --> 00:10:42.050
- -And I'm sure Trace knows this in talking to people... -Well, for-for me...
- 00:10:42.060 --> 00:10:44.250
- ...who have eating, have dealt with eating disorders as well.
- 00:10:44.260 --> 00:10:47.190
- Mine was because it happened so publicly.
- 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.010
- -I was on the show when I got sick. -Yeah.
- 00:10:50.020 --> 00:10:52.140
- And I had to leave the show.
- 00:10:52.150 --> 00:10:54.170
- And so, for me, having been so professional
- 00:10:54.180 --> 00:10:56.250
- and been ingrained in my brain since I was a child,
- 00:10:56.260 --> 00:10:59.090
- like, you don't miss a line, you don't miss--
- 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:01.020
- you be the first to show up, last to leave.
- 00:11:01.030 --> 00:11:03.010
- You do whatever, I just-- I was always trying to please.
- 00:11:03.020 --> 00:11:06.030
- -And so, for me to have to leave the show and... -Yeah.
- 00:11:06.040 --> 00:11:08.130
- ...because I was sick was just the worst.
- 00:11:08.140 --> 00:11:10.090
- And then, it became public.
- 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:11.290
- And I remember there was a moment where People magazine
- 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.030
- called and they were like, "We want to do an article on her."
- 00:11:14.040 --> 00:11:16.150
- And I'm like, I-- it was the week I had left the show.
- 00:11:16.160 --> 00:11:19.010
- And I was still trying to find, like, a doctor to go to.
- 00:11:19.020 --> 00:11:21.190
- I'm like, I-I can't do an interview.
- 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.230
- I'm just trying to friggin' save my life right here.
- 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.250
- I can't speak to anything, I don't know...
- 00:11:25.260 --> 00:11:27.050
- That-That's part of the problem.
- 00:11:27.060 --> 00:11:28.180
- -Is that everybody is like... -Yeah. -Mm-hmm.
- 00:11:28.190 --> 00:11:30.030
- But then what happened was that they said,
- 00:11:30.040 --> 00:11:31.190
- "Don't worry about it. We're gonna-- we're still gonna
- 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.070
- "do the article, go ahead on the article without her.
- 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.040
- We'll just interview her-- other people about her."
- 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:37.290
- And I-I had a moment, I think it was a part of my healing,
- 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.180
- was the start of it at least,
- 00:11:41.190 --> 00:11:43.190
- was, "No, no, no, no, no. I-I want my voice to be heard."
- 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.250
- -Mm-hmm. -I don't want anyone speaking for me.
- 00:11:46.260 --> 00:11:48.150
- -Right. -I'll tell my story.
- 00:11:48.160 --> 00:11:50.110
- And so, I did the article, and it ended up being
- 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.120
- -the cover of People magazine. -Mm.
- 00:11:52.130 --> 00:11:54.210
- And it was the beginning of me
- 00:11:54.220 --> 00:11:56.100
- kind of being the spokesperson for, you know,
- 00:11:56.110 --> 00:11:59.020
- eating disorders, anorexia, um...
- 00:11:59.030 --> 00:12:01.240
- and which I would-- I never would have thought
- 00:12:01.250 --> 00:12:03.150
- -or... that I would go down that road. -Oh, of course not.
- 00:12:03.160 --> 00:12:05.170
- But really, I'm so... I mean, I-I feel so happy
- 00:12:05.180 --> 00:12:09.130
- that I, that-that I did, you know?
- 00:12:09.140 --> 00:12:11.280
- Because it was such a negative experience in my life,
- 00:12:11.290 --> 00:12:14.060
- but to turn it around and be able to help people.
- 00:12:14.070 --> 00:12:16.120
- -I mean... save lives. -Well, I'll tell you...
- 00:12:16.130 --> 00:12:18.270
- -I mean... -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
- 00:12:18.280 --> 00:12:20.170
- When I first got sober, um, I was ashamed.
- 00:12:20.180 --> 00:12:23.060
- Like a lot of people are when they're dealing with addiction.
- 00:12:23.070 --> 00:12:25.010
- I really was.
- 00:12:25.020 --> 00:12:26.160
- And when I started trying to get sober,
- 00:12:26.170 --> 00:12:29.080
- I didn't want anybody to know.
- 00:12:29.090 --> 00:12:30.230
- I mean, I was very, very secretive about it.
- 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.270
- I-I was just... I used different names
- 00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:35.010
- when I went to meetings or did different things like that.
- 00:12:35.020 --> 00:12:37.140
- And, um...
- 00:12:37.150 --> 00:12:39.200
- I actually got sold out to the National Enquirer
- 00:12:39.210 --> 00:12:42.210
- by my first, uh, sponsor.
- 00:12:42.220 --> 00:12:44.250
- -Oh, God. -And, um...
- 00:12:44.260 --> 00:12:47.090
- that sent me on another bender for quite a while
- 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:49.290
- -because I just didn't trust anybody in recovery. -Right.
- 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.220
- -You'd just be betrayed again. -Just completely betrayed again.
- 00:12:52.230 --> 00:12:54.280
- Um... National Enquirer never ran with it, thankfully.
- 00:12:54.290 --> 00:12:58.190
- Um, but they called and let me know
- 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.140
- that they wanted to do a story on my alcoholism,
- 00:13:01.150 --> 00:13:03.130
- -and it just absolutely shattered me for a while. -Wow.
- 00:13:03.140 --> 00:13:05.280
- It took a while till I was actually ready to get sober
- 00:13:05.290 --> 00:13:09.060
- a few years later, when I realized that,
- 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:11.080
- -you know, I wanted to talk about it. -Yeah.
- 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:13.070
- I wanted to... shout it from the mountaintop
- 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.180
- -if I could help just one person, you know. -Yeah. That's right.
- 00:13:15.190 --> 00:13:18.190
- And I've actually had that experience multiple times now.
- 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.020
- Um, when I got to go do an episode of Dr. Oz,
- 00:13:22.030 --> 00:13:25.120
- -just going to sit and talk about my recovery... -Yep, yep.
- 00:13:25.130 --> 00:13:27.200
- ...he brought on a girl who I'm now friends with--
- 00:13:27.210 --> 00:13:29.270
- Joanie's really good friends with her--
- 00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:31.220
- from Philadelphia, who saw my story.
- 00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:34.110
- And I actually inspired her to go to rehab
- 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:37.030
- and get sober, and she's now running a rehab center.
- 00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:39.260
- -She's got three kids. -KIRK: Oh.
- 00:13:39.270 --> 00:13:41.110
- -She's been sober for four years. -How great is that?
- 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.260
- And... I got to be a part of that.
- 00:13:43.270 --> 00:13:46.260
- -And... I have... -That's-that's beautiful.
- 00:13:46.270 --> 00:13:48.100
- ...numerous stories like that that I've been blessed
- 00:13:48.110 --> 00:13:50.150
- to be a part of and...
- 00:13:50.160 --> 00:13:52.040
- just being able to share that created that ripple.
- 00:13:52.050 --> 00:13:55.010
- So, Tracey, if you could
- 00:13:55.020 --> 00:13:57.160
- go back in time...
- 00:13:57.170 --> 00:13:59.150
- and you could speak to the 16-year-old Tracey
- 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:03.150
- when you were in the middle of Growing Pains,
- 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:06.270
- what advice would you give her?
- 00:14:06.280 --> 00:14:08.190
- Don't be so hard on yourself.
- 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:10.170
- Like, don't be so hard on yourself.
- 00:14:10.180 --> 00:14:12.240
- And don't, don't-- like, love yourself a little bit more.
- 00:14:12.250 --> 00:14:15.270
- Appreciate that, like, you're good enough.
- 00:14:15.280 --> 00:14:18.160
- And the funny thing is, I think, you know what I--
- 00:14:18.170 --> 00:14:20.270
- 'Cause one of the things I thought about was,
- 00:14:20.280 --> 00:14:22.130
- would I tell 16-year-old Tracey to appreciate this moment
- 00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:24.280
- 'cause it's so incredible?
- 00:14:24.290 --> 00:14:26.160
- -But I think I always appreciated where we were... -Mm-hmm.
- 00:14:26.170 --> 00:14:29.090
- -...when we did Growing Pains. -Mm.
- 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.270
- Even back then, I had an understanding of, like,
- 00:14:30.280 --> 00:14:33.140
- -this is special and this is cool what we're doing. -Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- 00:14:33.150 --> 00:14:36.260
- I dealt with a lot of fear, with that anxiety,
- 00:14:36.270 --> 00:14:39.260
- with just never knowing what was going on
- 00:14:39.270 --> 00:14:41.170
- and I was afraid of everything.
- 00:14:41.180 --> 00:14:43.020
- I missed out on a lot of great things in my life,
- 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:45.230
- -letting fear just dominate me. -Hmm.
- 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.110
- I would, I would tell him, "Don't be afraid."
- 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.120
- You know what's most obvious to me,
- 00:14:50.130 --> 00:14:52.040
- just listening to you guys, is that what--
- 00:14:52.050 --> 00:14:54.150
- your perspective is all about other people.
- 00:14:54.160 --> 00:14:56.030
- You're talking about other people, helping other people,
- 00:14:56.040 --> 00:14:58.040
- and that is where that sense of fulfillment and that--
- 00:14:58.050 --> 00:15:01.080
- just that great feeling comes from.
- 00:15:01.090 --> 00:15:04.100
- Um, talk-talk to me about what-what your,
- 00:15:04.110 --> 00:15:06.120
- what your passions are today.
- 00:15:06.130 --> 00:15:07.260
- I have been busy raising my kids.
- 00:15:07.270 --> 00:15:09.290
- I have four boys and they are my passion.
- 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.010
- -I mean, seriously. -Totally.
- 00:15:12.020 --> 00:15:13.280
- -It's like... That is a full-time job. -Mm-hmm.
- 00:15:13.290 --> 00:15:16.090
- -Four boys. -Raising good people.
- 00:15:16.100 --> 00:15:17.190
- Four boys, you know.
- 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.100
- And I-I've literally been lucky enough
- 00:15:19.110 --> 00:15:21.000
- where I've had the principal, you know, say,
- 00:15:21.010 --> 00:15:22.260
- -"You should write a book on how to raise, raise boys." -Yeah.
- 00:15:22.270 --> 00:15:25.000
- -So I-I've been busy doing... -Not bragging or anything.
- 00:15:25.010 --> 00:15:26.240
- -Uh, totally bragging. Totally bragging. -You should. Absolutely.
- 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:28.200
- Bragging rights right here.
- 00:15:28.210 --> 00:15:30.030
- But the-- but what you just said, you said,
- 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:31.180
- "raising good people." We need more of those in the world.
- 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.200
- -Absolutely. -Absolutely.
- 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:35.050
- -Good men. -And I can't think of anything more important
- 00:15:35.060 --> 00:15:37.250
- than raising the next generation,
- 00:15:37.260 --> 00:15:39.080
- 'cause we're handing the place over to them in 30 years.
- 00:15:39.090 --> 00:15:42.010
- Well, I felt that huge responsibility
- 00:15:42.020 --> 00:15:43.260
- when I became a mom, I'm like, I'm--
- 00:15:43.270 --> 00:15:45.250
- Especially raising boys.
- 00:15:45.260 --> 00:15:47.240
- -I'm like, I'm raising men. -That's right.
- 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:49.290
- -And I want them to be good people... -That's right.
- 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.240
- ...and I want them to be respectful.
- 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:53.070
- And I want them to treat women... good, you know?
- 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.050
- I mean, and people. I mean...
- 00:15:56.060 --> 00:15:58.020
- So yeah, so I've been busy. That's my passion.
- 00:15:58.030 --> 00:16:00.080
- It's not one that I'm actively working on right now,
- 00:16:00.090 --> 00:16:02.260
- although it's one that's been close to my heart.
- 00:16:02.270 --> 00:16:05.130
- Um, I do community work and more grassroots work
- 00:16:05.140 --> 00:16:07.270
- with it, but homeless outreach and stuff like that
- 00:16:07.280 --> 00:16:10.110
- -has always been a very big deal, um, to me. -Hmm. Hmm.
- 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.000
- Getting to work with that stuff back in the '80s and '90s.
- 00:16:13.010 --> 00:16:16.040
- And it's just always been close to my heart.
- 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:18.140
- I've had family members who have had to, you know,
- 00:16:18.150 --> 00:16:20.270
- who have been on the streets at different times.
- 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:22.240
- When the economy crashed, you know, I was c-car surfing
- 00:16:22.250 --> 00:16:25.240
- and couch surfing for a while, had lost our place.
- 00:16:25.250 --> 00:16:28.030
- I mean, that's-- it's something that affects a lot of people.
- 00:16:28.040 --> 00:16:30.150
- We were never on the streets, but, you know,
- 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:33.120
- I've had a lot of friends and a lot of people
- 00:16:33.130 --> 00:16:35.080
- -who've had to go through that. -Yeah. Yeah.
- 00:16:35.090 --> 00:16:36.220
- And a lot of friends, a lot of people I've known through
- 00:16:36.230 --> 00:16:38.280
- addiction and recovery have had to go through that as well.
- 00:16:38.290 --> 00:16:41.230
- And that's just something that means a lot to me.
- 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.270
- I'm trying to put together a cooking show right now
- 00:16:43.280 --> 00:16:45.270
- that we did a pilot for, where we would actually be...
- 00:16:45.280 --> 00:16:48.030
- -You're, you're a great chef. -Thank you.
- 00:16:48.040 --> 00:16:49.250
- -I've had you at the house several times. -Thank you.
- 00:16:49.260 --> 00:16:51.170
- -He's never cooked for me. -That chicken dish you do with the...
- 00:16:51.180 --> 00:16:53.220
- with, like, the root beer can or the-- (stammers)
- 00:16:53.230 --> 00:16:55.120
- -That was awesome. -Thank you, man. And I still have to.
- 00:16:55.130 --> 00:16:57.180
- -Just tell me-- tell me when, I'll come. -Dude!
- 00:16:57.190 --> 00:16:59.220
- -(laughs) -Tell me when.
- 00:16:59.230 --> 00:17:01.140
- -It's a standing invitation. -No, both of you come to dinner
- 00:17:01.150 --> 00:17:03.160
- -with Chef Jeremy at my house. -Oh, I'm-I'm into it. Yeah.
- 00:17:03.170 --> 00:17:05.270
- -I'm game. Absolutely. -You're ready?
- 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:07.120
- All right. Come on. Follow me.
- 00:17:07.130 --> 00:17:08.220
- 00:17:11.260 --> 00:17:11.270
- 00:17:11.270 --> 00:17:11.280
- 00:17:11.280 --> 00:17:13.220
- All right, Jeremy, or should I call you Wolfgang Puck?
- 00:17:18.290 --> 00:17:22.050
- -(laughs) -You are-- you-you are in charge, sir.
- 00:17:22.060 --> 00:17:25.100
- Uh, you know, you cooked at our house one time for the kids.
- 00:17:25.110 --> 00:17:27.140
- But, Tracey, Jeremy's never cooked for you?
- 00:17:27.150 --> 00:17:28.240
- He's never cooked for me.
- 00:17:28.250 --> 00:17:30.110
- -I've never gotten the chance. -This is a very important day.
- 00:17:30.120 --> 00:17:32.050
- So, so how about we're the sous-chefs...
- 00:17:32.060 --> 00:17:33.200
- -Love it. -...and, Jeremy, you-you tell us what to do.
- 00:17:33.210 --> 00:17:35.180
- -That works for me. -I want to see you at work.
- 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:37.060
- -Work your magic. -Oh, that works-- this is beautiful.
- 00:17:37.070 --> 00:17:38.190
- I love it, I love it. Okay. So, we're gonna do...
- 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.290
- Wait, are those shrimp alive?
- 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.080
- No, no. Not alive, but they do have the heads.
- 00:17:42.090 --> 00:17:43.280
- -But they have more stuff on them than I, uh... -I see feet
- 00:17:43.290 --> 00:17:45.180
- -and-and lots of tentacles... -Yep, they have the,
- 00:17:45.190 --> 00:17:47.090
- -the head and the shrimp... -...and antennas.
- 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:48.270
- -Ah! -Nice. -JEREMY: What we're gonna do...
- 00:17:48.280 --> 00:17:50.240
- My shrimp don't look like that when I cook them.
- 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:52.280
- We got to take the heads off, and then I'm gonna peel them.
- 00:17:52.290 --> 00:17:55.070
- So, all you do is twist the head off.
- 00:17:55.080 --> 00:17:57.030
- Wait, you're gonna give Tracey the job of slicing?
- 00:17:57.040 --> 00:17:58.220
- -No, I'm gonna give Tr-- No, no, no. -No, I'm not doing it.
- 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:00.220
- -I hope this is not my job. -Oh, my good-- I'm-I'm thinking,
- 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:02.110
- -we need to call the ambulance right now. -Yeah. Right now.
- 00:18:02.120 --> 00:18:04.160
- I was gonna see if Trace would be willing
- 00:18:04.170 --> 00:18:05.290
- to take a few heads off. Let's see if, uh...
- 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.150
- -No. -No?
- 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:08.190
- Since Trace won't do it, will you start?
- 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.260
- -Yes. Watch this. -All right.
- 00:18:10.270 --> 00:18:12.110
- -Just start taking the heads off... -Okay, see...
- 00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:14.130
- -...and setting them here. -TRACEY: Yeah, sorry, Jeremy.
- 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:16.040
- -I would like to have shrimp again in my lifetime. -That's right.
- 00:18:16.050 --> 00:18:18.170
- Tracey, this is the way that you actually need to do it.
- 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:20.080
- -You need to take the head off like this. -Oh, God.
- 00:18:20.090 --> 00:18:23.000
- -That's the way to do it. -That works.
- 00:18:23.010 --> 00:18:25.060
- You know, you know one of the funnest things we like to do,
- 00:18:25.070 --> 00:18:26.270
- uh, with the kids-- and we did this
- 00:18:26.280 --> 00:18:28.070
- especially when they were little--
- 00:18:28.080 --> 00:18:29.120
- is we would have our own version of Chopped.
- 00:18:29.130 --> 00:18:31.090
- -Oh, nice. -Where we would get all these ingredients out there,
- 00:18:31.100 --> 00:18:33.240
- and tell all the kids they had to-- they'd team up.
- 00:18:33.250 --> 00:18:35.060
- -TRACEY: Yep. -And it was like, "Okay,
- 00:18:35.070 --> 00:18:36.120
- you guys just make me and Mom something."
- 00:18:36.130 --> 00:18:37.210
- So they'd have an appetizer, a main course
- 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:38.260
- and a dessert. -TRACEY: That's great.
- 00:18:38.270 --> 00:18:40.110
- KIRK: And we just got to sit back and just sample...
- 00:18:40.120 --> 00:18:41.250
- -JEREMY: Oh, that's so cool. -TRACEY: Good?
- 00:18:41.260 --> 00:18:43.050
- KIRK: It was so good.
- 00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:44.220
- Sometimes, I-I've seen some sushi places that put these
- 00:18:44.230 --> 00:18:47.020
- -on your plate, and they're still alive. -That's insane.
- 00:18:47.030 --> 00:18:49.120
- -Yeah. They-They're still alive. -So, and people eat them alive?
- 00:18:49.130 --> 00:18:51.150
- They eat-- well, they kind of peel them,
- 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.160
- and they cut the head off, but it's so fresh
- 00:18:53.170 --> 00:18:56.230
- that the nerves are still moving,
- 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.130
- -so it's... -Have you done that?
- 00:18:58.140 --> 00:18:59.230
- -No, I'm not eating that. No. -Are you kidding?
- 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.030
- There is a place, I don't know which country it is,
- 00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:04.240
- where they eat the octopus live, and it fights.
- 00:19:04.250 --> 00:19:08.060
- And I think it's just so cruel, it's wrong.
- 00:19:08.070 --> 00:19:10.070
- -But, hey, to each their own. -Oh, yeah.
- 00:19:10.080 --> 00:19:12.100
- But I am not kidding. They eat it headfirst,
- 00:19:12.110 --> 00:19:13.200
- -and the tentacles are... -I'm more a calamari type.
- 00:19:13.210 --> 00:19:15.130
- -They're wrapping, they're wrapping around their head... -The tentacles
- 00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:17.030
- -are around your ears-- right. -...as they're trying to eat it.
- 00:19:17.040 --> 00:19:19.120
- It's just wrong.
- 00:19:19.130 --> 00:19:20.190
- That's one of the things with traveling,
- 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.020
- especially going to countries like China and stuff like that,
- 00:19:22.030 --> 00:19:25.200
- you kind of adjust what you're willing to...
- 00:19:25.210 --> 00:19:29.190
- -Try? -...try, and experiment with.
- 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.130
- All right, so what we're gonna do--
- 00:19:32.140 --> 00:19:33.160
- this is called pearling the rice.
- 00:19:33.170 --> 00:19:35.070
- -All right. -This is a key, a key step for risotto.
- 00:19:35.080 --> 00:19:37.280
- So w-what does it mean to "pearl" the rice?
- 00:19:37.290 --> 00:19:40.010
- What we're gonna do is we're gonna add the rice
- 00:19:40.020 --> 00:19:42.210
- and pearling is just stirring it and toasting it a little bit.
- 00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:45.180
- -Need me to pour while you stir? -No, we can just...
- 00:19:45.190 --> 00:19:47.120
- -No? All right. -...get in there. I'm just trying to make sure we have...
- 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:49.040
- Look at this, the sous, the sous-chef is trying
- 00:19:49.050 --> 00:19:51.050
- -to take over. I just need... -I know.
- 00:19:51.060 --> 00:19:52.140
- -He shot you down. -I just need to stand back.
- 00:19:52.150 --> 00:19:54.140
- JEREMY: This is called pearling. And what you're doing
- 00:19:54.150 --> 00:19:55.290
- is you're toasting the rice a little bit,
- 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.210
- but as you'll see, the rice is starting to absorb that fat.
- 00:19:57.220 --> 00:20:01.210
- -Yeah. -And what you'll see is when it gets right where you want it,
- 00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:04.230
- there will be a nice translucent coating around
- 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.120
- each piece of rice, and just a little center
- 00:20:07.130 --> 00:20:09.070
- -that you can see is still white, and... -And it looks like a pearl.
- 00:20:09.080 --> 00:20:11.230
- -And it looks a little like a pearl. -Hence, "pearling."
- 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.200
- -So you see how it's... not quite there yet. But... -Yeah,
- 00:20:13.210 --> 00:20:15.020
- that's looking really good. And that smell.
- 00:20:15.030 --> 00:20:16.130
- Have you ever worked in a restaurant, Jeremy?
- 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:18.010
- Only in my grandma's, back when I was a kid.
- 00:20:18.020 --> 00:20:19.270
- -Okay, so not-- yeah, as a job. -Otherwise, I've been doing catering,
- 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:21.250
- -and I've, uh, apprenticed in a couple. -Yeah.
- 00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:24.060
- I did two restaurants when I was back in China,
- 00:20:24.070 --> 00:20:26.020
- about ten years ago.
- 00:20:26.030 --> 00:20:27.270
- Have you ever cooked, like, animals
- 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:29.230
- that we don't cook here in the United States, or...?
- 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:32.080
- I've eaten sea cucumber,
- 00:20:32.090 --> 00:20:33.120
- which is those, uh, weird little...
- 00:20:33.130 --> 00:20:35.020
- TRACEY: Oh, I know, they look like sponges. Yeah.
- 00:20:35.030 --> 00:20:36.180
- JEREMY: Yeah, look like sp-- kind of like
- 00:20:36.190 --> 00:20:38.090
- spongey little things you see at the aquarium.
- 00:20:38.100 --> 00:20:40.170
- And you ate a thousand-year-old egg.
- 00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:41.270
- -Thousand-year-old egg. -Oh, that's right.
- 00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:43.170
- -Was it, was it cooked? -Pickled. Yeah--
- 00:20:43.180 --> 00:20:45.030
- no, no, no. It's just, it's because
- 00:20:45.040 --> 00:20:46.130
- it's been preserved,
- 00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:48.100
- it actually turns this translucent brown.
- 00:20:48.110 --> 00:20:51.050
- It looks delicious.
- 00:20:51.060 --> 00:20:53.030
- -Yeah. Send one over to me. -It actually...
- 00:20:53.040 --> 00:20:55.030
- It actually is not bad.
- 00:20:55.040 --> 00:20:56.230
- It wasn't something I would choose, but...
- 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.130
- You'd never have it again, right?
- 00:20:58.140 --> 00:20:59.180
- Did it smell awful?
- 00:20:59.190 --> 00:21:00.290
- No. It actually didn't have much of a sm...
- 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.060
- -I mean, I expected it to really smell... -Wow,
- 00:21:03.070 --> 00:21:05.020
- 'cause a rotten egg's about the worst smell you could ever...
- 00:21:05.030 --> 00:21:06.290
- -It is, yeah. -...smell. -That's the thing, though,
- 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:08.090
- because of what they preserve it in, it doesn't rot.
- 00:21:08.100 --> 00:21:10.250
- -So... -What do they preserve it in?
- 00:21:10.260 --> 00:21:12.100
- -Form... formaldehyde? -It's mixed with, like, lye,
- 00:21:12.110 --> 00:21:13.190
- -and other stuff-- I have no idea. -Yeah.
- 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.280
- -All I know is it's edible, it didn't kill me... -Well...
- 00:21:15.290 --> 00:21:18.080
- -...and I didn't, you know, lose my lunch, so... -Well, how long ago was this?
- 00:21:18.090 --> 00:21:20.280
- This-this was, what, a couple weeks ago?
- 00:21:20.290 --> 00:21:22.220
- -You're not in the clear yet. -(laughter)
- 00:21:22.230 --> 00:21:24.060
- That's-- I was gonna say, that's not that long ago.
- 00:21:24.070 --> 00:21:26.070
- No...
- 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:27.180
- Last time I was in China, and they were having us, uh,
- 00:21:27.190 --> 00:21:31.040
- having us cook, they actually brought me out
- 00:21:31.050 --> 00:21:34.210
- fermented, I think it was fish eyes.
- 00:21:34.220 --> 00:21:37.060
- -I don't know if you've ever eaten an eyeball... -I've never eaten-- no.
- 00:21:37.070 --> 00:21:39.200
- I-I figure it's got to be
- 00:21:39.210 --> 00:21:41.020
- a-a little-- the texture, a bit like grapes.
- 00:21:41.030 --> 00:21:43.020
- It's a little gelatinous, and there's a little hard thing
- 00:21:43.030 --> 00:21:45.260
- -right in the middle. -Okay, I'm gonna be sick.
- 00:21:45.270 --> 00:21:47.230
- -(laughter) -We got her, finally.
- 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.040
- I thought the fish head-- or the shrimp heads might do it.
- 00:21:51.050 --> 00:21:53.230
- -This is good... -No, the shrimp heads are freaking me out.
- 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.160
- -It's kind of frothing. -Oh, oh. Hmm.
- 00:21:55.170 --> 00:21:57.280
- (laughs)
- 00:21:57.290 --> 00:21:59.130
- KIRK: I can see the, uh, the antennas are sort of like moving.
- 00:21:59.140 --> 00:22:02.120
- So now we have shrimpy water.
- 00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:05.030
- Oh, wait, so now you have to add more water?
- 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:06.210
- -Just a little bit. -Why do you do that?
- 00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:08.290
- It thins out the flavor a little, and also,
- 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:10.260
- it didn't look like we had quite enough.
- 00:22:10.270 --> 00:22:12.160
- Risotto takes a lot of liquid.
- 00:22:12.170 --> 00:22:15.010
- Usually about four times as much liquid as you have rice.
- 00:22:15.020 --> 00:22:18.220
- Let's see if it spreads.
- 00:22:20.230 --> 00:22:22.200
- Oh. Thank you, Jeremy.
- 00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:25.060
- -KIRK: Try that. -TRACEY: Am I-- should I try it?
- 00:22:25.070 --> 00:22:26.220
- JEREMY: Please. Don't wait for us.
- 00:22:26.230 --> 00:22:28.280
- -Can I try some of this? -Oh, that's delicious, Jeremy--
- 00:22:31.070 --> 00:22:32.260
- yeah, try it.
- 00:22:32.270 --> 00:22:34.060
- -Nice. -Seriously, Jeremy, this is great.
- 00:22:34.070 --> 00:22:36.110
- -JEREMY: Thank you, bud. -TRACEY: Well, this is a thing.
- 00:22:36.120 --> 00:22:38.060
- I'm so glad that I finally got to taste your cooking.
- 00:22:38.070 --> 00:22:40.220
- -So I get the... I get the seal of approval? -Cheers.
- 00:22:40.230 --> 00:22:42.200
- Cheers.
- 00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:44.000
- -Fire shrimp, risotto... -Mm.
- 00:22:44.010 --> 00:22:46.210
- -Nice job, Jeremy. Knocked it out of the park. -Done.
- 00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:49.080
- Seriously, I will score so many husband points with my wife
- 00:22:49.090 --> 00:22:51.250
- -if I make... -Yeah, you got to make this for Chelsea.
- 00:22:51.260 --> 00:22:53.200
- ...if I make this for dinner.
- 00:22:53.210 --> 00:22:54.260
- Jeremy, you're improving my marriage as we speak.
- 00:22:54.270 --> 00:22:57.020
- My pleasure, brother.
- 00:22:57.030 --> 00:22:58.260
- How-how do people find out about you?
- 00:22:58.270 --> 00:23:00.280
- They can actually just find me on my, um, on my Facebook page.
- 00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:03.280
- I have a business page for my cooking and my chef stuff.
- 00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:06.230
- So-so they can find you at JeremyJMiller on Facebook?
- 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.220
- Yep. And they can schedule an appointment to set up
- 00:23:09.230 --> 00:23:11.290
- a consultation so we can talk about what type of cooking
- 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.170
- they might want to do, what style.
- 00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:16.170
- It's four to five dishes over three hours.
- 00:23:16.180 --> 00:23:18.090
- -Yeah. -They get to eat the meal, but...
- 00:23:18.100 --> 00:23:19.190
- I just teach them the history of the dish
- 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:21.000
- and where it comes from, and teach them how to make it.
- 00:23:21.010 --> 00:23:23.090
- Mmm. Jeremy, thank you.
- 00:23:23.100 --> 00:23:26.190
- This is awesome.
- 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.180
- -It really is, Jeremy. -I mean, we got cooking lessons,
- 00:23:28.190 --> 00:23:30.190
- we got a great, got a great lunch,
- 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:32.210
- -and, uh... -My pleasure, guys.
- 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.220
- -Well, thanks. This was awesome. -Thanks for having me.
- 00:23:34.230 --> 00:23:36.160
- -I'm glad I got to do it. -Thank you, Jeremy.
- 00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:38.010
- -Only took 30 years. -(laughs)
- 00:23:38.020 --> 00:23:41.140
- I-I saw a video of you recently
- 00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:58.160
- that said that you dated-- you said you dated my sister.
- 00:23:58.170 --> 00:24:01.010
- -What was that all about? I don't remember that. -Oh, I saw that, too, Jeremy.
- 00:24:01.020 --> 00:24:03.040
- -Nobody told me that. -I don't really think--
- 00:24:03.050 --> 00:24:04.220
- -I don't think we can quite call it dating... -Wait, you dated,
- 00:24:04.230 --> 00:24:06.150
- -you dated my sister Candace? -We-we clarified this.
- 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.090
- Yes, yes. We clarified this. There's no dating at that age.
- 00:24:08.100 --> 00:24:10.180
- I'm gonna t-- where's my phone? I got to text and verify.
- 00:24:10.190 --> 00:24:12.080
- -I-I'm not sure. -She'll verify it. She'll verify it.
- 00:24:12.090 --> 00:24:14.090
- -All right. -I think they might have just said they liked each other
- 00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:16.120
- -and called it a day. -It was that-- you remember at that time,
- 00:24:16.130 --> 00:24:18.070
- -it was that "going together" thing. -"Going with." Yeah.
- 00:24:18.080 --> 00:24:20.120