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May 11, 2018
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Matt Hagee

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  • MUSIC
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  • MATT HAGEE: TODAY WE'RE TALKING
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  • ABOUT MARRIAGE.
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  • WHETHER YOU'RE MARRIED,
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  • YOU WANT TO BE MARRIED,
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  • OR YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS
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  • MARRIED AND SORRY THAT THEY ARE,
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  • YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO
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  • STICK AROUND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT
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  • A GREAT PROGRAM PLANNED FOR YOU
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  • TODAY.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • STAY RIGHT HERE BECAUSE WE'RE
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  • GETTING READY TO START NOW.
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  • MUSIC
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  • HELLO AND WELCOME
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  • TO THE DIFFERENCE.
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  • TODAY WE'RE DISCUSSING
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  • HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE.
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  • THE BIBLE TELLS US,
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  • "THEREFORE, SHALL A MAN LEAVE
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  • HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER,
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  • AND SHALL CLEAVE UNTO HIS WIFE.
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  • AND THEY SHALL BE ONE FLESH."
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  • YOU KNOW MARRIAGE
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  • IS GOD'S IDEA.
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  • HE DESIGNED AND CREATED IT.
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  • AS A MATTER OF FACT,
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  • THAT'S HOW HE WANTS THE WORLD
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  • TO WORK.
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  • HE DIDN'T CONSIDER ADAM
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  • COMPLETE UNTIL HE CREATED
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  • A PARTNER COMPARABLE TO HIM.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: AMEN.
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  • SO AFTER SAYING, "I DO,"
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  • ARE YOU WILLING TO DO
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  • WHATEVER IT TAKES TO CREATE
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  • THE MARRIAGE YOU WANT;
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  • THAT GOD HAS CREATED;
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  • THAT HE WANTED FOR YOUR
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  • MARRIAGE?
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  • IT IS POSSIBLE.
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  • YOU CAN HAVE THE MARRIAGE YOU
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  • ALWAYS DREAMED OF.
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  • IT'S POSSIBLE IF YOU'RE WILLING
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  • TO ALLOW THE SOURCE OF ALL HOPE
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  • INTO YOUR RELATIONSHIP.
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  • AS DIRECTORS OVER THE MARRIAGE
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  • AND PARENTING MINISTRY
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  • AT LAKEWOOD CHURCH,
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  • CLAYTON AND ASHLEE HURST
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  • ARE COMMITTED TO HELP COUPLES
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  • TRANSFORM THEIR DESIRES,
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  • VISION,
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  • AND GOALS INTO BUILDING
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  • SUCCESSFUL,
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  • STRONGER MARRIAGES.
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  • WILL YOU PLEASE HELP ME WELCOME
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  • CLAYTON AND ASHLEE.
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  • MATT HAGEE: HI.
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  • IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU TODAY.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: THANK YOU SO MUCH
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  • FOR COMING.
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  • MATT HAGEE: ASHLEE, CLAYTON,
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  • THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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  • SO HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE.
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  • FIRST AND FOREMOST,
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  • THE TITLE'S VERY MUCH TO THE
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  • POINT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF
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  • PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY FEEL LIKE
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  • THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOPE FOR
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  • THEIR MARRIAGE.
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  • WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THIS BOOK
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  • THAT WAS, YOU KNOW,
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  • REALLY PART OF THE PROCESS
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  • IN WRITING IT,
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  • AND MADE IT SOMETHING THAT YOU
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  • WANTED TO USE TO MINISTER
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  • TO PEOPLE?
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  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
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  • SO YOU KNOW WE BOTH COME FROM
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  • REALLY GREAT FAMILIES.
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  • BOTH OF OUR PARENTS HAVE BEEN
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  • MARRIED NOW,
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  • HIS PARENTS, FOR OVER 55 YEARS;
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  • MY PARENTS, FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS.
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  • AND SO WHEN WE WERE PLANNING
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  • OUR WEDDING,
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  • WE THOUGHT, OH, WE'VE GOT THIS.
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  • WE GREW UP IN GREAT --
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  • MATT HAGEE: WE'RE HEADED
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  • FOR THE HALL OF FAME.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: OH, YEAH.
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  • WE GREW UP IN GREAT FAMILIES.
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  • WE GREW UP IN CHRISTIAN HOMES,
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  • AND SO WE THOUGHT,
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  • OH, WE DON'T NEED THIS.
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  • WE WENT TO ONE PRE-MARITAL
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  • COUNSELING APPOINTMENT,
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  • AND WE WERE LIKE,
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  • OH, WE'RE GOOD.
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  • WE'RE GOOD.
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  • WE'RE GOOD.
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  • MATT HAGEE: YOU CLEFT OUT.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
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  • SO WE SPENT ALL OF OUR TIME ON
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  • THE WEDDING DAY,
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  • BUT NOTHING FOR THE DAYS THAT
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  • FOLLOWED.
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  • AND SO WHAT STARTED OUT AS SOME
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  • FUNNY STORY,
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  • WHICH WE HAVE IN OUR BOOK,
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  • SOME FUNNY STORIES OF THINGS
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  • THAT, YOU KNOW,
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  • WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BEFORE
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  • WE GOT MARRIED THAT WE DID
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  • TURNED INTO UNFORGIVENESS,
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  • UM, PRIDE,
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  • UM, A LOT OF MISCOMMUNICATION.
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  • AND SO BY YEAR FIVE,
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  • WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A VALLEY
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  • OF HOPELESSNESS.
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  • KENDAL HAGEE: TALK ABOUT THE
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  • HONEYMOON PHASE LIKE IT LASTED
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  • AND YOU WROTE IT OUT.
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  • I LIKED HOW EACH OF YOU WROTE
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  • OUT ONE, FIVE YEARS.
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  • THE FIRST YEAR,
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  • IT'S ALL, THIS IS WONDERFUL,
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  • PERFECT.
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  • AND THEN YEAR TWO STARTED TO --
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  • MATT HAGEE: WELL, AND YOU KNOW
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  • ACTUALLY DOING THAT FOR FIVE
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  • YEARS PUTS YOU AHEAD OF
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  • THE GAME,
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  • BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT
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  • OF STATISTICS THAT SAY THAT
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  • THE CHALLENGES START MUCH SOONER
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  • THAN THAT.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
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  • AND WE FOUND THAT.
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  • WE ACTUALLY SPOKE AT
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  • A CONFERENCE LAST WEEKEND.
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  • WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT CAME
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  • UP TO US AND SAID,
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  • "OH, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU
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  • IN FIVE YEARS,
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  • HAPPENED TO US IN ONE."
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  • DIDN'T WE?
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  • WE HAD SO MANY.
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  • CLAYTON HURST: IT'S AMAZING HOW
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  • QUICKLY THEY KIND OF BEGAN TO
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  • GO DIFFERENT WAYS INSTEAD OF
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  • COMING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW.
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  • AND THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THAT.
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  • IN EPHESIANS 5,
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  • IT SAYS WHAT A WOMAN SHOULD BE
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  • DOING,
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  • WHAT A MAN SHOULD BE DOING.
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  • BUT IN 5:21,
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  • IT SAYS TO SUBMIT ONE TO
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  • ANOTHER.
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  • AND SO YOU'RE -- YOU'RE GOING
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  • DOWN THE ROAD OF LIFE,
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  • YOU KNOW,
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  • AND SHE'S RUNNING HER RACE
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  • AND I'M RUNNING MINE.
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  • BUT WE'RE HOLDING HANDS AS WE
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  • GO, YOU KNOW.
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  • AND SO MANY TIMES WE FORGET
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  • THAT;
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  • THAT I THINK A LOT OF OUR
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  • ISSUES IN THE BEGINNING WAS
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  • I THOUGHT SHE WAS ON THE
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  • OPPOSING TEAM.
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  • I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WERE
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  • ON THE SAME TEAM.
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  • AND I THINK ONCE COUPLES
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  • REALIZE THAT,
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  • HEY, IF I WIN, SHE WINS.
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  • BUT IF I LOSE, SHE LOSES.
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  • SO I WANT TO SET UP HER UP
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  • FOR WINNING.
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  • MATT HAGEE: I TELL PEOPLE
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  • ALL THE TIME,
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  • WHEN WE WERE KIDS
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  • AT CHURCH PICNICS,
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  • WE'D HAVE A THREE-LEGGED RACE.
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  • AND TWO PEOPLE WOULD TIE ONE
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  • LEG TOGETHER.
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  • AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO RUN;
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  • YOU KNOW?
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  • AND THE TEAM THAT WORKED
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  • TOGETHER WON.
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  • AND I'D TELL THEM, I SAID,
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  • "MARRIAGE IS A THREE-LEGGED
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  • RACE."
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  • WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT,
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  • YOU'VE GOT ONE LEG TIDE TO
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  • ANOTHER PERSON.
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  • AND UNLESS YOU HAVE AGREEMENT
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  • ABOUT THE DIRECTION YOU'RE
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  • GOING,
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  • NEITHER OF YOU ARE GOING TO BE
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  • HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU GET.
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  • CLAYTON HURST: RIGHT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND YOU KNOW
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  • A LOT OF TIMES,
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  • WHEN IT COMES TO MARRIAGE,
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  • PASTOR HAGEE,
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  • HE'LL SAY IT THIS WAY,
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  • HE SAYS, YOU KNOW,
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  • "THE WEDDING DAY IS THE
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  • DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I DO
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  • AND YOU'D BETTER."
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  • (LAUGHTER)
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  • AND SO MUCH OF THE TIME,
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  • PEOPLE, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED,
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  • YOU KNOW YOU PLAN FOR THE DAY.
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  • BUT THERE'S LIFE THAT HAPPENS
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  • ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DAY
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  • THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST
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  • PEOPLE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE,
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  • WHILE YOU MIGHT HAVE A PERFECT
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  • WEDDING DAY,
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  • YOU ARE TWO IMPERFECT PEOPLE
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  • GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS --
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  • IN THIS PERFECT RELATIONSHIP.
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  • MARRIAGE IS A PERFECT
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  • RELATIONSHIP.
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  • AND THE THING IN IT DOES IN ITS
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  • PERFECT WAY IS EXPOSE YOUR
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  • IMPERFECTIONS.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT; EXACTLY.
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  • MATT HAGEE: WHAT'S THE HARDEST
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  • PART OF GETTING PEOPLE TO
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  • RECOGNIZE THAT?
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  • ASHLEE HURST: YOU KNOW ONE
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  • THING THAT I HEARD SOMEBODY
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  • SAY AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS
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  • SO TRUE,
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  • IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GET
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  • MARRIED THINKING IT'LL SOLVE
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  • ALL THEIR PROBLEMS, BUT YET,
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  • IT JUST OPENS UP THE PROBLEMS.
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  • IT REVEALS THE PROBLEMS.
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  • AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE FIND
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  • A LOT OF TIMES.
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  • AND WHEN WE TALK TO COUPLES,
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  • IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW,
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  • HE DOES THIS AND SHE DOES THAT.
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  • AND WE'RE LIKE,
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  • BUT LOOK AT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW.
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  • WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOU?
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  • IS THIS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO
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  • WORK ON?
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  • CLAYTON HURST: YEAH.
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  • I THINK FOR US,
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  • IT WAS THAT QUESTION THAT WE
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  • STARTED THE BOOK OFF WITH,
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  • "ARE YOU WILLING TO DO WHATEVER
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  • IT TAKES TO HAVE THE MARRIAGE
  • 00:05:37.250 --> 00:05:39.020
  • YOU'VE ALWAYS HOPED AND DREAMED
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  • OF?"
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  • AND HONESTLY,
  • 00:05:40.200 --> 00:05:41.150
  • WHAT HIT ME WAS LIKE,
  • 00:05:41.150 --> 00:05:43.070
  • IT WAS PROBABLY YEAR FIVE
  • 00:05:43.070 --> 00:05:44.010
  • OR SIX.
  • 00:05:44.010 --> 00:05:45.050
  • PEOPLE WERE COMING TO ME AS
  • 00:05:45.050 --> 00:05:46.140
  • A KID'S PASTOR IN MY FORMER
  • 00:05:46.140 --> 00:05:48.090
  • CHURCH FOR MARRIAGE ADVICE.
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  • AND I'M LIKE GOING, OH, YEAH,
  • 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:51.100
  • I CAN HELP YOU OUT; NO PROBLEM.
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  • AND I WASN'T NECESSARILY
  • 00:05:52.280 --> 00:05:54.060
  • COUNSELING THEM.
  • 00:05:54.060 --> 00:05:54.280
  • I WAS MORE MEDIATING, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:05:54.280 --> 00:05:56.090
  • THE CHALLENGES.
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  • I COULD TELL SOMEONE HOW TO
  • 00:05:56.280 --> 00:05:58.030
  • HAVE A GREAT MARRIAGE EVEN
  • 00:05:58.030 --> 00:05:59.030
  • THOUGH OUR MAY REMEMBER WAS
  • 00:05:59.030 --> 00:05:59.280
  • CRUMBLING AT HOME.
  • 00:05:59.280 --> 00:06:01.050
  • AND I'LL NEVER FORGET;
  • 00:06:01.050 --> 00:06:02.010
  • I WAS -- THERE WAS ANOTHER
  • 00:06:02.010 --> 00:06:03.150
  • COUPLE THAT WAS GETTING READY
  • 00:06:03.150 --> 00:06:04.100
  • TO COME IN AND WE WERE GOING TO
  • 00:06:04.100 --> 00:06:05.050
  • TALK THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT
  • 00:06:05.050 --> 00:06:06.070
  • THINGS.
  • 00:06:06.070 --> 00:06:06.260
  • AND THERE WAS JUST SOMETHING
  • 00:06:06.260 --> 00:06:07.220
  • INSIDE OF ME THAT SAID --
  • 00:06:07.220 --> 00:06:08.230
  • SAID THAT QUESTION,
  • 00:06:08.230 --> 00:06:09.160
  • "ARE YOU WILLING DO..."
  • 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:10.140
  • AND I SAID, AH,
  • 00:06:10.140 --> 00:06:11.120
  • I'M GOING TO START THAT --
  • 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:12.190
  • THIS NEXT SESSION OFF WITH THAT
  • 00:06:12.190 --> 00:06:13.270
  • QUESTION AND SEE IF THEY'RE
  • 00:06:13.270 --> 00:06:14.270
  • WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT
  • 00:06:14.270 --> 00:06:15.200
  • TAKES.
  • 00:06:15.200 --> 00:06:16.180
  • SO I ASKED THEM THAT QUESTION.
  • 00:06:16.180 --> 00:06:17.230
  • THEY SAID, "OH, ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:06:17.230 --> 00:06:18.230
  • THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
  • 00:06:18.230 --> 00:06:19.140
  • WE'RE WANTING SOME INSIGHT,
  • 00:06:19.140 --> 00:06:20.180
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:06:20.180 --> 00:06:21.090
  • AND GIVE US SOME WISDOM."
  • 00:06:21.090 --> 00:06:22.030
  • AND I'M LIKE, "OH, YEAH,
  • 00:06:22.030 --> 00:06:23.070
  • I'LL HELP YOU.
  • 00:06:23.070 --> 00:06:23.260
  • YEAH, NO PROBLEM."
  • 00:06:23.260 --> 00:06:24.160
  • BUT WHEN I CLOSED THE DOOR,
  • 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:25.230
  • AND IT'S LIKE GOD JUST REALLY
  • 00:06:25.230 --> 00:06:27.070
  • WHISPERED AT ME
  • 00:06:27.070 --> 00:06:28.040
  • ON THE INSIDE, AND SAID,
  • 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:28.270
  • THAT QUESTION WASN'T FOR THEM;
  • 00:06:28.270 --> 00:06:30.010
  • IT WAS FOR YOU.
  • 00:06:30.010 --> 00:06:31.140
  • AND SO WHEN I WENT HOME THAT
  • 00:06:31.140 --> 00:06:32.200
  • DAY, I TOLD HER, I SAID, "HEY,
  • 00:06:32.200 --> 00:06:34.180
  • I REALLY FEEL LIKE GOD'S GIVEN
  • 00:06:34.180 --> 00:06:35.260
  • ME THIS QUESTION TO ANSWER,
  • 00:06:35.260 --> 00:06:37.120
  • AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW
  • 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:38.100
  • I'M WILLING," YOU KNOW.
  • 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:39.250
  • AND THAT WAS REALLY THE
  • 00:06:39.250 --> 00:06:40.170
  • BEGINNING.
  • 00:06:40.170 --> 00:06:41.060
  • EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN THE
  • 00:06:41.060 --> 00:06:42.120
  • VALLEY REALLY OF DRY BONES,
  • 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.180
  • JUST OF HOPELESSNESS,
  • 00:06:44.180 --> 00:06:45.160
  • THAT WAS REALLY THE BEGINNING
  • 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:46.200
  • OF US BEGINNING TO TAKE
  • 00:06:46.200 --> 00:06:47.190
  • THE STEPS OUT.
  • 00:06:47.190 --> 00:06:49.010
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL, AND ASHLEE,
  • 00:06:49.010 --> 00:06:50.120
  • IN RESPONSE TO THE FIRST
  • 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:51.020
  • QUESTION YOU TALKED ABOUT IN A
  • 00:06:51.020 --> 00:06:52.230
  • FIVE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.
  • 00:06:52.230 --> 00:06:53.220
  • YOU KNOW THERE WAS BITTERNESS.
  • 00:06:53.220 --> 00:06:54.200
  • THERE WAS RESENTMENT.
  • 00:06:54.200 --> 00:06:56.000
  • THOSE ARE BIG WORDS.
  • 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.130
  • ASHLEE HURST: YES.
  • 00:06:57.130 --> 00:06:58.120
  • MATT HAGEE: AND I THINK
  • 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.110
  • SOMETIMES PEOPLE HEAR THOSE
  • 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:00.140
  • WORDS AND THEY THINK,
  • 00:07:00.140 --> 00:07:01.210
  • THERE MUST HAVE BEEN MAJOR,
  • 00:07:01.210 --> 00:07:03.120
  • MAJOR TROUBLE.
  • 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:04.240
  • BUT A LOT OF TIMES BITTERNESS
  • 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.070
  • AND RESENTMENT DOESN'T START
  • 00:07:06.070 --> 00:07:07.170
  • WITH MAJOR;
  • 00:07:07.170 --> 00:07:08.090
  • IT JUST STARTS WITH MINOR
  • 00:07:08.090 --> 00:07:09.090
  • THINGS THAT DON'T GET TALKED
  • 00:07:09.090 --> 00:07:10.180
  • ABOUT THAT JUST BUILD A HEAD OF
  • 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:12.220
  • STEAM UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO
  • 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:15.110
  • EXPLODE.
  • 00:07:15.110 --> 00:07:16.070
  • AND THEN BITTERNESS
  • 00:07:16.070 --> 00:07:17.050
  • AND RESENTMENT ARE ACCURATE.
  • 00:07:17.050 --> 00:07:18.210
  • BUT WHEN YOU SAY,
  • 00:07:18.210 --> 00:07:19.090
  • "WELL, WHAT CAUSED IT?"
  • 00:07:19.090 --> 00:07:20.200
  • YOU KNOW PEOPLE STOP AND THEY
  • 00:07:20.200 --> 00:07:21.270
  • GO, "I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:07:21.270 --> 00:07:24.140
  • I MEAN HE LEFT HIS SOCKS ON THE
  • 00:07:24.140 --> 00:07:25.260
  • FLOOR AND I GOT TIRED OF
  • 00:07:25.260 --> 00:07:27.120
  • PICKING THEM UP."
  • 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:28.100
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YOU USED
  • 00:07:28.100 --> 00:07:29.050
  • OUR WEDDING TOWEL.
  • 00:07:29.050 --> 00:07:29.290
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:30.190
  • MATT HAGEE: THAT WAS A VERY
  • 00:07:30.190 --> 00:07:31.150
  • REVEALING CHAPTER IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:07:31.150 --> 00:07:32.090
  • WE MIGHT NEED TO TALK ABOUT
  • 00:07:32.090 --> 00:07:33.040
  • THAT ONE WHEN WE RETURN.
  • 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.100
  • THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME
  • 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:35.040
  • EXPOSURE TODAY ON THE DIFFERENCE
  • 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:36.170
  • THAT'LL MAKE YOU WONDER ABOUT,
  • 00:07:36.170 --> 00:07:38.040
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:38.250
  • THINGS THAT GOD CAN HELP YOU
  • 00:07:38.250 --> 00:07:39.150
  • OVERCOME.
  • 00:07:39.150 --> 00:07:40.060
  • IT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:41.090
  • BUT YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:41.090 --> 00:07:42.050
  • WHAT IS IT THAT YOU FIND IS
  • 00:07:42.050 --> 00:07:42.290
  • A COMMON, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:42.290 --> 00:07:44.250
  • THREAD WHENEVER IT COMES TO
  • 00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:45.240
  • CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BITTERNESS
  • 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.000
  • AND RESENTMENT?
  • 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:47.200
  • CERTAINLY THERE ARE TIMES WHERE
  • 00:07:47.200 --> 00:07:48.210
  • GREAT OFFENSE AND CERTAIN
  • 00:07:48.210 --> 00:07:51.070
  • BETRAYALS HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
  • 00:07:51.070 --> 00:07:52.070
  • BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT
  • 00:07:52.070 --> 00:07:53.040
  • THAT WAY.
  • 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:54.010
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:07:54.010 --> 00:07:54.240
  • YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF
  • 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:55.280
  • THINGS.
  • 00:07:55.280 --> 00:07:56.190
  • THERE'S, I THINK THEY'RE THE TOP
  • 00:07:56.190 --> 00:07:57.120
  • THREE OF MARRIAGE ISSUES IS
  • 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.250
  • MISCOMMUNICATION,
  • 00:07:59.250 --> 00:08:00.250
  • AND SEX,
  • 00:08:00.250 --> 00:08:01.090
  • AND FINANCES.
  • 00:08:01.090 --> 00:08:02.030
  • BUT HONESTLY IT ALL BOILS DOWN
  • 00:08:02.030 --> 00:08:03.120
  • TO PRIDE.
  • 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.200
  • YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
  • 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:05.070
  • LIKE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:08:05.070 --> 00:08:06.080
  • WHEN WE PROPOSE THAT QUESTION,
  • 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:07.280
  • "ARE YOU WILLING TO DO WHATEVER
  • 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:08.180
  • IT TAKES TO HAVE THE MARRIAGE
  • 00:08:08.180 --> 00:08:09.140
  • YOU ALWAYS HOPED
  • 00:08:09.140 --> 00:08:10.090
  • AND DREAMED OF?"
  • 00:08:10.090 --> 00:08:10.290
  • WE START EVERY COUNSELING
  • 00:08:10.290 --> 00:08:12.040
  • SESSION WITH THAT.
  • 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:12.280
  • KENDAL HAGEE: HE CAN CHANGE
  • 00:08:12.280 --> 00:08:13.180
  • OR SHE CAN CHANGE.
  • 00:08:13.180 --> 00:08:14.140
  • ASHLEE HURST: AND THEY ALWAYS
  • 00:08:14.140 --> 00:08:15.110
  • SAY, "YES."
  • 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:16.030
  • CLAYTON HURST: EVERYBODY SAYS,
  • 00:08:16.030 --> 00:08:16.250
  • "YES."
  • 00:08:16.250 --> 00:08:17.190
  • MATT HAGEE: "I AM WILLING TO
  • 00:08:17.190 --> 00:08:18.120
  • WAIT AS LONG AS IT TAKES
  • 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:19.060
  • FOR HER TO BE PERFECT."
  • 00:08:19.060 --> 00:08:19.250
  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:08:19.250 --> 00:08:21.040
  • OR YOU KNOW THEY'LL SAY, "YES."
  • 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.060
  • AND THEN WE'LL GET FURTHER
  • 00:08:22.060 --> 00:08:23.020
  • DOWN INTO THE CONVERSATION,
  • 00:08:23.020 --> 00:08:24.030
  • AND THEY'RE LIKE,
  • 00:08:24.030 --> 00:08:24.250
  • "OH, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE
  • 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:25.270
  • THAT" OR
  • 00:08:25.270 --> 00:08:26.290
  • "OH, NO. HE'S DONE THIS TO ME;
  • 00:08:26.290 --> 00:08:28.150
  • I'M NOT GOING TO DO THIS."
  • 00:08:28.150 --> 00:08:29.120
  • AND WE'RE LIKE, "OKAY.
  • 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.050
  • REMEMBER THAT QUESTION WE
  • 00:08:30.050 --> 00:08:31.010
  • PROPOSED TO YOU AT THE
  • 00:08:31.010 --> 00:08:31.240
  • BEGINNING OF THIS,
  • 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:32.150
  • ARE YOU WILLING TO DO WHATEVER
  • 00:08:32.150 --> 00:08:33.080
  • IT TAKES?
  • 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:34.070
  • THIS IS THAT TIME.
  • 00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:35.030
  • YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO
  • 00:08:35.030 --> 00:08:36.010
  • HUMBLE YOURSELF OR YOU'RE NEVER
  • 00:08:36.010 --> 00:08:38.020
  • GOING TO SEE ANY KIND
  • 00:08:38.020 --> 00:08:38.290
  • OF RESULTS."
  • 00:08:38.290 --> 00:08:40.040
  • CLAYTON HURST: YOU KNOW
  • 00:08:40.040 --> 00:08:41.040
  • AND I THINK FOR US,
  • 00:08:41.040 --> 00:08:42.070
  • BEFORE WE GOT MARRIED,
  • 00:08:42.070 --> 00:08:42.270
  • AND EVERYBODY,
  • 00:08:42.270 --> 00:08:43.170
  • YOU HAVE YOUR NORMAL.
  • 00:08:43.170 --> 00:08:44.210
  • YOU KNOW WHAT SHE DID WAS
  • 00:08:44.210 --> 00:08:45.120
  • NORMAL AND WHAT I DID WAS
  • 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.110
  • NORMAL, AS WE WENT THROUGH.
  • 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.030
  • BUT THEN YOU KIND OF CREATE
  • 00:08:48.030 --> 00:08:49.010
  • THESE NEW NORMALS.
  • 00:08:49.010 --> 00:08:50.050
  • AND I THINK FOR SOME PEOPLE,
  • 00:08:50.050 --> 00:08:51.250
  • THEY KEEP GOING DOWN THESE SLOW
  • 00:08:51.250 --> 00:08:54.000
  • STEPS OF GETTING DOWN INTO THIS
  • 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.260
  • VALLEY, IF YOU WILL.
  • 00:08:55.260 --> 00:08:57.050
  • AND I THINK THAT THEN BECOMES
  • 00:08:57.050 --> 00:08:58.200
  • THEIR NORMAL.
  • 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.060
  • I THINK FOR US, WE WERE LIKE,
  • 00:08:59.060 --> 00:09:00.220
  • WELL, I GUESS THIS IS AS GOOD
  • 00:09:00.220 --> 00:09:01.230
  • AS IT'S GOING TO GET.
  • 00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:02.210
  • YOU KNOW DIVORCE IS --
  • 00:09:02.210 --> 00:09:04.130
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU SETTLED.
  • 00:09:04.130 --> 00:09:05.040
  • CLAYTON HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:05.290
  • DIVORCE WAS NEVER AN OPTION;
  • 00:09:05.290 --> 00:09:06.230
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:06.230 --> 00:09:07.150
  • SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST --
  • 00:09:07.150 --> 00:09:08.080
  • I GUESS THIS IS HOW IT'S
  • 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.070
  • SUPPOSED TO BE.
  • 00:09:09.070 --> 00:09:09.290
  • WE MUST BE THE ONLY ONES
  • 00:09:09.290 --> 00:09:10.280
  • DEALING WITH THIS.
  • 00:09:10.280 --> 00:09:11.240
  • AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST
  • 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:12.170
  • THING,
  • 00:09:12.170 --> 00:09:13.060
  • IF WE COULD TELL MARRIED
  • 00:09:13.060 --> 00:09:14.000
  • COUPLES IS THAT YOU KNOW
  • 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:15.100
  • MARRIAGE IS A PHENOMENAL THING
  • 00:09:15.100 --> 00:09:16.230
  • THAT GOD'S CREATED, YOU KNOW;
  • 00:09:16.230 --> 00:09:18.050
  • THAT YOU ARE MEANT TO BE
  • 00:09:18.050 --> 00:09:20.010
  • TOGETHER FOR LIFE UNTIL ONE OF
  • 00:09:20.010 --> 00:09:21.220
  • YOU TAKES YOUR LAST BREATH.
  • 00:09:21.220 --> 00:09:23.160
  • BUT IT TAKES WORK EVERY SINGLE
  • 00:09:23.160 --> 00:09:25.010
  • DAY.
  • 00:09:25.010 --> 00:09:26.020
  • YOU KNOW MY PARENTS,
  • 00:09:26.020 --> 00:09:27.100
  • WHO HAVE BEEN MARRIED 55 YEARS,
  • 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:29.010
  • WE JUST HAD A MARRIAGE
  • 00:09:29.010 --> 00:09:29.290
  • CONFERENCE.
  • 00:09:29.290 --> 00:09:30.220
  • WE HAVE IT IN AUGUST.
  • 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:31.250
  • AND THEY CAME ON THEIR
  • 00:09:31.250 --> 00:09:32.290
  • 55TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY
  • 00:09:32.290 --> 00:09:34.070
  • TO A MARRIAGE CONFERENCE.
  • 00:09:34.070 --> 00:09:35.070
  • AND I'M LIKE, MOM, DAD,
  • 00:09:35.070 --> 00:09:36.010
  • YOU SHOULD BE LIKE IN EUROPE,
  • 00:09:36.010 --> 00:09:38.000
  • ON A CRUISE,
  • 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:38.190
  • DO SOMETHING.
  • 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:39.090
  • ASHLEE HURST: WHO WANTS TO
  • 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:40.000
  • COME TO HOUSTON IN AUGUST?
  • 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:40.230
  • CLAYTON HURST: BUT I'LL NEVER
  • 00:09:40.230 --> 00:09:41.140
  • FORGET WHAT SHE SAID.
  • 00:09:41.140 --> 00:09:42.070
  • SHE SAID, "CLAYTON,
  • 00:09:42.070 --> 00:09:43.030
  • THE MOMENT WE STOP LEARNING IS
  • 00:09:43.030 --> 00:09:44.070
  • THE DAY WE STOP GROWING."
  • 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:45.020
  • AND SHE GOES,
  • 00:09:45.020 --> 00:09:45.260
  • "WE'LL NEVER STOP GROWING IN
  • 00:09:45.260 --> 00:09:46.220
  • OUR MARRIAGE."
  • 00:09:46.220 --> 00:09:47.140
  • AND TO ME, THAT JUST TAKES
  • 00:09:47.140 --> 00:09:48.130
  • A DAILY DISCIPLINE OF,
  • 00:09:48.130 --> 00:09:50.010
  • I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT
  • 00:09:50.010 --> 00:09:51.000
  • TAKES.
  • 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:51.250
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
  • 00:09:51.250 --> 00:09:52.220
  • AND YOU MIGHT NOT BE 50 YEARS
  • 00:09:52.220 --> 00:09:54.000
  • MARRIED YET, BUT THERE IS HOPE.
  • 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.100
  • AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THE
  • 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:57.030
  • OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR MORE ABOUT
  • 00:09:57.030 --> 00:09:57.280
  • THAT HOPE FROM CLAYTON
  • 00:09:57.280 --> 00:09:58.240
  • AND ASHLEE WHEN WE RETURN.
  • 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.070
  • I WANT YOU TO FIND OUT HOW YOU
  • 00:10:00.070 --> 00:10:01.080
  • CAN GET THIS CONTENT IN YOUR
  • 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:02.140
  • HANDS AND CREATE HOPE
  • 00:10:02.140 --> 00:10:03.230
  • IN YOUR MARRIAGE.
  • 00:10:03.230 --> 00:10:05.010
  • MUSIC
  • 00:10:05.010 --> 00:10:07.230
  • WHEN YOU GIVE TO
  • 00:10:07.230 --> 00:10:08.080
  • SANCTUARY OF HOPE,
  • 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:09.100
  • YOU ARE GIVING A CHILD A CHANCE
  • 00:10:09.100 --> 00:10:10.260
  • AT LIFE AND A HOPEFUL FUTURE.
  • 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:12.250
  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF $50 OR MORE,
  • 00:10:12.250 --> 00:10:14.230
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE AS A GIFT,
  • 00:10:14.230 --> 00:10:16.020
  • A SPECIAL COFFEE MUG,
  • 00:10:16.020 --> 00:10:17.090
  • AN INSPIRING PRAYER JOURNAL,
  • 00:10:17.090 --> 00:10:18.200
  • AND CLAYTON AND ASHLEE HURST'S
  • 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.010
  • BOOK, HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE.
  • 00:10:20.010 --> 00:10:21.240
  • AND FOR A GIFT OF $150 OR MORE,
  • 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.080
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE ALL THREE
  • 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:25.080
  • GIFTS,
  • 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:25.260
  • ALONG WITH A FRAMED WALL ART
  • 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:27.070
  • FEATURING A FAMILIAR BLESSING
  • 00:10:27.070 --> 00:10:28.220
  • FROM PASTOR HAGEE.
  • 00:10:28.220 --> 00:10:29.260
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: AND NOW MAY
  • 00:10:29.260 --> 00:10:30.220
  • THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP
  • 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:31.190
  • YOU.
  • 00:10:31.190 --> 00:10:32.180
  • MAY THE LORD MAKE HIS FACE...
  • 00:10:32.180 --> 00:10:33.260
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:10:33.260 --> 00:10:35.000
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.150
  • MUSIC
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  • DEAR PASTOR HAGEE,
  • 00:10:37.290 --> 00:10:39.030
  • I JUST WANTED TO WRITE YOU
  • 00:10:39.030 --> 00:10:40.170
  • TO SAY HOW HONORED RAYLA JEAN
  • 00:10:40.170 --> 00:10:42.080
  • AND I ARE TO HAVE BEEN PARTNERS
  • 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:43.290
  • IN YOUR MINISTRY
  • 00:10:43.290 --> 00:10:44.220
  • ALL THESE YEARS
  • 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:45.240
  • AND TO SEE ALL THE AMAZING
  • 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:46.250
  • THINGS YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED
  • 00:10:46.250 --> 00:10:47.260
  • AROUND THE WORLD
  • 00:10:47.260 --> 00:10:48.240
  • WITH THE GIFTS WE AND OTHERS
  • 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:49.280
  • LIKE US HAD GLADLY GIVEN
  • 00:10:49.280 --> 00:10:51.100
  • OVER THE YEARS.
  • 00:10:51.100 --> 00:10:52.100
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: I WANT
  • 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:53.130
  • TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING
  • 00:10:53.130 --> 00:10:54.050
  • IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO PREACH
  • 00:10:54.050 --> 00:10:55.090
  • THE GOSPEL TO THE NATIONS
  • 00:10:55.090 --> 00:10:56.180
  • OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:10:56.180 --> 00:10:57.190
  • THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:10:57.190 --> 00:10:59.180
  • BECOME A PARTNER TODAY.
  • 00:10:59.180 --> 00:11:01.070
  • CALL THE TOLL-FREE NUMBER
  • 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:02.200
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:11:03.090 --> 00:11:06.090
  • MUSIC
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  • SANCTUARY OF HOPE
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  • WILL YOU HELP US CHANGE
  • 00:11:09.050 --> 00:11:10.050
  • THE WORLD ONE LIFE AT A TIME?
  • 00:11:10.050 --> 00:11:11.280
  • TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION,
  • 00:11:11.280 --> 00:11:13.170
  • EVERY GIFT OF $500 OR MORE
  • 00:11:13.170 --> 00:11:15.190
  • WILL RECEIVE A FRAMED PAINTING
  • 00:11:15.190 --> 00:11:17.010
  • ENTITLED "HOPE AND LIBERTY;"
  • 00:11:17.010 --> 00:11:18.250
  • FOR $1500 OR MORE,
  • 00:11:18.250 --> 00:11:20.130
  • A "FOREVER FREE" BRONZE
  • 00:11:20.130 --> 00:11:21.160
  • STATUE;
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  • AND FOR GIFTS OVER $2500,
  • 00:11:22.090 --> 00:11:24.220
  • A TREE PLANTED WITH
  • 00:11:24.220 --> 00:11:25.200
  • A PERSONALIZED PLAQUE
  • 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:26.250
  • ON THE SANCTUARY OF HOPE CAMPUS,
  • 00:11:26.250 --> 00:11:28.280
  • PLUS YOUR CHOICE BETWEEN
  • 00:11:28.280 --> 00:11:30.090
  • THE PAINTING OR STATUE
  • 00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:31.180
  • AS A THANK YOU
  • 00:11:31.180 --> 00:11:32.070
  • FOR YOUR GENEROUS SUPPORT.
  • 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:33.160
  • FOR MORE INFORMATION,
  • 00:11:33.160 --> 00:11:34.160
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:35.240
  • OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE.
  • 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.160
  • MUSIC
  • 00:11:37.160 --> 00:11:40.020
  • KENDAL HAGEE: WELCOME BACK TO
  • 00:11:40.020 --> 00:11:40.270
  • THE DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:11:40.270 --> 00:11:41.140
  • WE'RE SITTING DOWN WITH CLAYTON
  • 00:11:41.140 --> 00:11:42.110
  • AND ASHLEE HURST,
  • 00:11:42.110 --> 00:11:43.080
  • TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:43.280
  • HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE.
  • 00:11:43.280 --> 00:11:45.220
  • MATT HAGEE: YOU KNOW YOU GUYS
  • 00:11:45.220 --> 00:11:46.150
  • WERE TALKING ABOUT "NORMAL."
  • 00:11:46.150 --> 00:11:48.130
  • AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT
  • 00:11:48.130 --> 00:11:49.270
  • WORD MEANS,
  • 00:11:49.270 --> 00:11:50.200
  • BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY
  • 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:51.140
  • ALWAYS TAKE INTO PERSPECTIVE
  • 00:11:51.140 --> 00:11:53.110
  • WHAT THEIR NORMAL IS.
  • 00:11:53.110 --> 00:11:55.000
  • I REMEMBER WHEN KENDAL AND I
  • 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.040
  • GOT MARRIED,
  • 00:11:56.040 --> 00:11:57.160
  • MY NORMAL WAS THAT CLOTHES
  • 00:11:57.160 --> 00:11:59.230
  • MIRACULOUSLY FLOATED FROM
  • 00:11:59.230 --> 00:12:01.270
  • WHEREVER I LEFT THEM BACK
  • 00:12:01.270 --> 00:12:03.170
  • INTO MY --
  • 00:12:03.170 --> 00:12:04.100
  • KENDAL HAGEE: ONTO THE
  • 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:05.040
  • HANGERS CLEAN.
  • 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:05.260
  • MATT HAGEE: -- BACK INTO MY
  • 00:12:05.260 --> 00:12:06.160
  • CLOSET; YOU KNOW.
  • 00:12:06.160 --> 00:12:07.100
  • AND BASED ON HOW I WAS RAISED,
  • 00:12:07.100 --> 00:12:08.290
  • THAT WAS NORMAL.
  • 00:12:08.290 --> 00:12:10.170
  • AND I'D BEEN MARRIED ABOUT
  • 00:12:10.170 --> 00:12:11.110
  • THREE WEEKS.
  • 00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:11.280
  • AND I WENT INTO THE CLOSET TO
  • 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:13.060
  • GET DRESSED FOR WORK.
  • 00:12:13.060 --> 00:12:14.230
  • AND I CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET
  • 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:15.250
  • JUST RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY,
  • 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.120
  • BECAUSE MY CLOSET ROD WAS BARE,
  • 00:12:19.210 --> 00:12:22.210
  • YOU KNOW.
  • 00:12:22.210 --> 00:12:23.210
  • "KENDAL, WHERE ARE MY SHIRTS?"
  • 00:12:23.210 --> 00:12:26.050
  • AND SHE JUST VERY CALMLY,
  • 00:12:26.050 --> 00:12:27.050
  • SHE SAID,
  • 00:12:27.050 --> 00:12:27.260
  • "YOU MEAN THAT PILE OF STUFF
  • 00:12:27.260 --> 00:12:28.190
  • YOU LEFT ON THE FLOOR?"
  • 00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:30.150
  • AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME,
  • 00:12:30.150 --> 00:12:33.000
  • AND IT ONLY TOOK 21 DAYS,
  • 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:34.130
  • BUT I MEAN IT WAS LIKE
  • 00:12:34.130 --> 00:12:35.130
  • LIGHTBULB.
  • 00:12:35.130 --> 00:12:36.160
  • I WENT,
  • 00:12:36.160 --> 00:12:37.090
  • MY MOTHER DOES NOT LIVE AT THIS
  • 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:38.260
  • HOUSE; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:12:38.260 --> 00:12:40.140
  • AND FOR THE FIRST TIME,
  • 00:12:40.140 --> 00:12:41.090
  • MY NORMAL STARTED TO SHIFT.
  • 00:12:41.090 --> 00:12:43.040
  • AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE,
  • 00:12:43.040 --> 00:12:44.100
  • I HAD A MOMENT WHERE I WAS
  • 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:45.130
  • LIKE, ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:12:45.130 --> 00:12:46.030
  • DO I STAY MAD OR DO I ASK
  • 00:12:46.030 --> 00:12:47.240
  • PERMISSION TO PUT THE CLOTHES
  • 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:48.260
  • UP; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:12:48.260 --> 00:12:49.250
  • AND SO I SAID, "WELL,
  • 00:12:49.250 --> 00:12:51.210
  • WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO
  • 00:12:51.210 --> 00:12:52.160
  • WITH THEM?"
  • 00:12:52.160 --> 00:12:53.010
  • AND SHE EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:53.010 --> 00:12:54.000
  • VERY SIMPLY,
  • 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:54.180
  • "THERE'S A WHITES, A COLORS,
  • 00:12:54.180 --> 00:12:55.220
  • AND A PERMANENT PRESS."
  • 00:12:55.220 --> 00:12:57.020
  • KENDAL HAGEE: I HAD IT ALL
  • 00:12:57.020 --> 00:12:57.260
  • LABELED OUT.
  • 00:12:57.260 --> 00:12:58.200
  • MATT HAGEE: "ALL YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:12:58.200 --> 00:12:59.130
  • TO DO IS DETERMINE WHAT IT IS
  • 00:12:59.130 --> 00:13:00.070
  • AND GO THROW IT IN THERE."
  • 00:13:00.070 --> 00:13:01.000
  • AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WANTING
  • 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.130
  • TO SURVIVE THAT WHOLE
  • 00:13:02.130 --> 00:13:03.290
  • EXPERIENCE,
  • 00:13:03.290 --> 00:13:04.150
  • I THOUGHT THERE IS A WAY TO GET
  • 00:13:04.150 --> 00:13:05.270
  • WHAT I WANT;
  • 00:13:05.270 --> 00:13:06.180
  • I JUST NEED TO SHIFT MY NORMAL.
  • 00:13:06.180 --> 00:13:08.120
  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT.
  • 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.020
  • MATT HAGEE: HOW MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:13:09.020 --> 00:13:09.230
  • FIND IT CHALLENGING TO DO THAT?
  • 00:13:09.230 --> 00:13:11.010
  • AND HOW MUCH OF THE TIME DO
  • 00:13:11.010 --> 00:13:12.150
  • THEY WANT TO DEFEND AND FIGHT
  • 00:13:12.150 --> 00:13:14.040
  • FOR NORMAL INSTEAD OF JUST SAY,
  • 00:13:14.040 --> 00:13:15.270
  • HEY, THIS IS AN EASY --
  • 00:13:15.270 --> 00:13:17.120
  • THIS IS AN EASY SURRENDER?
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  • CLAYTON HURST: I THINK YOU HAVE
  • 00:13:19.040 --> 00:13:20.030
  • TO PICK YOUR BATTLES.
  • 00:13:20.030 --> 00:13:21.060
  • MATT HAGEE: EXACTLY.
  • 00:13:21.060 --> 00:13:21.270
  • CLAYTON HURST: I THINK YOU HAVE
  • 00:13:21.270 --> 00:13:22.210
  • TO, OKAY,
  • 00:13:22.210 --> 00:13:23.160
  • IS THIS WORTH DYING FOR?
  • 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:24.120
  • IS THIS WORTH LAYING ON THE
  • 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.070
  • SWORD FOR?
  • 00:13:25.070 --> 00:13:26.020
  • AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU FIND OUT
  • 00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:27.040
  • WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK,
  • 00:13:27.040 --> 00:13:28.060
  • AND YOU CAN,
  • 00:13:28.060 --> 00:13:29.040
  • JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:13:29.040 --> 00:13:31.090
  • YOU KNOW LAUNDRY, CLOTHES,
  • 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:32.140
  • NAH, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
  • 00:13:32.140 --> 00:13:33.160
  • LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
  • 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:34.140
  • LET'S CREATE A NEW NORMAL.
  • 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:36.010
  • I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IT'S
  • 00:13:36.010 --> 00:13:36.270
  • WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO STEP
  • 00:13:36.270 --> 00:13:38.030
  • BACK.
  • 00:13:38.030 --> 00:13:38.230
  • AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU LOOK
  • 00:13:38.230 --> 00:13:39.180
  • AT YOUR MARRIAGE AS SOMETHING
  • 00:13:39.180 --> 00:13:41.100
  • THAT'S OUTSIDE OF YOU.
  • 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:42.160
  • OKAY, IF I SEE THIS,
  • 00:13:42.160 --> 00:13:44.040
  • AM I WILLING TO MAKE THIS SMALL
  • 00:13:44.040 --> 00:13:45.140
  • CHANGE?
  • 00:13:45.140 --> 00:13:46.050
  • ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE A SMALL
  • 00:13:46.050 --> 00:13:47.180
  • STEP?
  • 00:13:47.180 --> 00:13:48.110
  • AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:13:48.110 --> 00:13:49.020
  • WE'LL TELL COUPLES IS THAT
  • 00:13:49.020 --> 00:13:51.100
  • IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE
  • 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:52.030
  • A SMALL STEP,
  • 00:13:52.030 --> 00:13:53.020
  • ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
  • 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:54.060
  • A SMALL SPARK,
  • 00:13:54.060 --> 00:13:55.230
  • A LOT OF TIMES,
  • 00:13:55.230 --> 00:13:56.220
  • IT'S THE MOST SEEMINGLY
  • 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:57.200
  • INSIGNIFICANT PARTICLE,
  • 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.060
  • BUT YET,
  • 00:13:59.060 --> 00:13:59.230
  • IT CAN START SOMETHING AMAZING;
  • 00:13:59.230 --> 00:14:00.290
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:14:00.290 --> 00:14:01.170
  • SO ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE
  • 00:14:01.170 --> 00:14:02.140
  • A SMALL STEP?
  • 00:14:02.140 --> 00:14:03.040
  • MAYBE IT'S IN HOW YOU RESPOND.
  • 00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:04.290
  • MAYBE IT'S IN HOW YOU,
  • 00:14:04.290 --> 00:14:06.070
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:06.070 --> 00:14:07.040
  • BRING YOUR WIFE COFFEE
  • 00:14:07.040 --> 00:14:08.010
  • IN THE MORNING.
  • 00:14:08.010 --> 00:14:08.190
  • MAYBE IT'S PUTTING THE --
  • 00:14:08.190 --> 00:14:09.220
  • SEPARATING THE COLORS,
  • 00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:10.240
  • WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE,
  • 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:11.200
  • IT CAN TRULY CHANGE THE NORMAL
  • 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.160
  • THAT YOU'VE BEEN LIVING IN.
  • 00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:14.260
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:14:14.260 --> 00:14:15.180
  • AND WE HAVE A -- YOU KNOW WE DO
  • 00:14:15.180 --> 00:14:16.260
  • BLENDED CLASSES AT OUR CHURCH
  • 00:14:16.260 --> 00:14:18.030
  • FOR BLENDED FAMILIES.
  • 00:14:18.030 --> 00:14:19.030
  • BUT CLAYTON WAS LIKE,
  • 00:14:19.030 --> 00:14:19.270
  • YOU KNOW WE'RE ALL BLENDED
  • 00:14:19.270 --> 00:14:20.220
  • FAMILIES,
  • 00:14:20.220 --> 00:14:21.180
  • BECAUSE HE'S BRINGING IN WHAT
  • 00:14:21.180 --> 00:14:22.220
  • HE LEARNED FROM HIS FAMILY AND
  • 00:14:22.220 --> 00:14:24.050
  • I'M BRINGING IN WHAT I LEARNED
  • 00:14:24.050 --> 00:14:25.050
  • FROM MINE.
  • 00:14:25.050 --> 00:14:25.280
  • AND TRYING TO COMBINE THOSE CAN
  • 00:14:25.280 --> 00:14:27.080
  • BE JUST A NIGHTMARE SOMETIMES.
  • 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.220
  • MATT HAGEE: AND NO TWO ARE
  • 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:30.170
  • ALIKE.
  • 00:14:30.170 --> 00:14:31.070
  • BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:31.070 --> 00:14:32.010
  • I MEAN THERE ARE CERTAIN
  • 00:14:32.010 --> 00:14:32.240
  • FAMILIES THAT THEIR IDEA OF
  • 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:33.180
  • CLOSE IS SO DIFFERENT THAN
  • 00:14:33.180 --> 00:14:34.280
  • OTHER FAMILIES.
  • 00:14:34.280 --> 00:14:36.060
  • AND YOU KNOW I MEAN ALL THESE
  • 00:14:36.060 --> 00:14:37.110
  • CREATE REALLY HUGE CHALLENGES.
  • 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:39.010
  • SPEAKING OF CHALLENGES,
  • 00:14:39.010 --> 00:14:39.270
  • YOU KNOW ASHLEE I MENTIONED
  • 00:14:39.270 --> 00:14:40.250
  • THAT I HAVE A LAUNDRY
  • 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:41.200
  • CHALLENGE.
  • 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:42.160
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:14:42.160 --> 00:14:43.200
  • YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK THAT
  • 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:44.240
  • CLAYTON HAD ONE HIMSELF.
  • 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.050
  • ASHLEE HURST: HE DID.
  • 00:14:46.050 --> 00:14:47.070
  • MATT HAGEE: I FEEL THAT LIVES
  • 00:14:47.070 --> 00:14:48.050
  • WILL BE CHANGED AND
  • 00:14:48.050 --> 00:14:48.250
  • BREAKTHROUGH WILL BE CREATED IF
  • 00:14:48.250 --> 00:14:50.270
  • THIS TESTIMONY GETS SHARED.
  • 00:14:50.270 --> 00:14:52.070
  • ASHLEE HURST: IT ENDED UP BEING
  • 00:14:52.070 --> 00:14:52.290
  • ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR STORIES
  • 00:14:52.290 --> 00:14:54.150
  • IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:14:54.150 --> 00:14:55.250
  • YES, MY POOR HUSBAND.
  • 00:14:55.250 --> 00:14:57.060
  • HE BROUGHT IN A LOT OF THINGS.
  • 00:14:57.060 --> 00:14:58.050
  • BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST WAS
  • 00:14:58.050 --> 00:14:59.020
  • PROBABLY, UM,
  • 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:01.080
  • I DISCOVERED THAT, UM,
  • 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.020
  • CLAYTON DOESN'T LIKE TO USE
  • 00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:04.000
  • KLEENEX BECAUSE IT'S TOO ROUGH
  • 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:05.110
  • ON HIS NOSE.
  • 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:06.240
  • AND SO HE USED OUR BRAND NEW
  • 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.250
  • BATH TOWELS THAT WE GOT AS
  • 00:15:08.250 --> 00:15:09.280
  • WEDDING GIFTS TO BLOW HIS NOSE.
  • 00:15:09.280 --> 00:15:12.010
  • AND I FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY.
  • 00:15:12.010 --> 00:15:14.040
  • KENDAL HAGEE: OH, GOSH.
  • 00:15:14.040 --> 00:15:15.200
  • CLAYTON HURST: I ASSUMED THAT
  • 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:16.180
  • WHEN YOU DID THAT AND YOU RUB
  • 00:15:16.180 --> 00:15:17.130
  • IT TOGETHER, IT DISAPPEARS.
  • 00:15:17.130 --> 00:15:18.170
  • IT WAS MAGICAL.
  • 00:15:18.170 --> 00:15:19.200
  • I THOUGHT THESE ARE THE BEST
  • 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:20.220
  • TOWELS EVER UNTIL I FOUND OUT A
  • 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:23.060
  • COUPLE OF DAYS LATER THAT SHE
  • 00:15:23.060 --> 00:15:24.280
  • HAD USED THAT TOWEL AND FOUND
  • 00:15:24.280 --> 00:15:26.180
  • OUT THAT I SHOULDN'T BE DOING
  • 00:15:26.180 --> 00:15:28.080
  • THAT ANYMORE.
  • 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:29.120
  • MATT HAGEE: DID YOU GROW UP IN
  • 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:30.040
  • A FAMILY WITH LOTS OF SIBLINGS
  • 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:30.290
  • OR ANYTHING?
  • 00:15:30.290 --> 00:15:31.270
  • CLAYTON HURST: I DID.
  • 00:15:31.270 --> 00:15:32.190
  • ASHLEE HURST: HE DID.
  • 00:15:32.190 --> 00:15:33.090
  • HE WAS THE BABY.
  • 00:15:33.090 --> 00:15:34.060
  • MATT HAGEE: OKAY.
  • 00:15:34.060 --> 00:15:34.280
  • KENDAL HAGEE: DID YOU SWITCH TO
  • 00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:35.220
  • COLOR-COORDINATED TOWEL NOW?
  • 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:36.170
  • THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
  • 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:37.120
  • HE HAS HIS COLOR AND I HAVE MY
  • 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:38.030
  • COLOR.
  • 00:15:38.030 --> 00:15:38.250
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH,
  • 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:39.190
  • I'VE GOT A BROWN TOWEL.
  • 00:15:39.190 --> 00:15:40.110
  • SHE'S GOT A WHITE TOWEL.
  • 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:41.050
  • SO IT'S REAL EASY FOR ME TO
  • 00:15:41.050 --> 00:15:42.000
  • KNOW WHICH ONE NOT TO TOUCH.
  • 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:42.290
  • KENDAL HAGEE: DON'T TOUCH MY
  • 00:15:42.290 --> 00:15:43.200
  • TOWEL.
  • 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.120
  • CLAYTON HURST: THAT WOULD HAVE
  • 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.080
  • SAVED US A LOT,
  • 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.000
  • A LOT OF ARGUMENTS.
  • 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:46.260
  • ASHLEE HURST: SAVED US A LOT OF
  • 00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:47.200
  • TIME.
  • 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:48.100
  • THAT'S SO FUNNY.
  • 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:49.020
  • YEAH.
  • 00:15:49.020 --> 00:15:49.240
  • AND THEN HE HAD -- HE WANTED TO
  • 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:50.210
  • BRING IN A 50-GALLON TRASH CAN
  • 00:15:50.210 --> 00:15:51.190
  • AND PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR
  • 00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:52.140
  • KITCHEN.
  • 00:15:52.140 --> 00:15:53.050
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT ONE WAS
  • 00:15:53.050 --> 00:15:54.020
  • PRETTY CLEVER.
  • 00:15:54.020 --> 00:15:54.230
  • ASHLEE HURST: BECAUSE HE DID
  • 00:15:54.230 --> 00:15:55.270
  • THAT IN COLLEGE TO SAVE SOME
  • 00:15:55.270 --> 00:15:56.160
  • TIME ON TAKING THE TRASH OUT
  • 00:15:56.160 --> 00:15:57.160
  • AND IN, AND UM --
  • 00:15:57.160 --> 00:15:58.190
  • MATT HAGEE: THAT IS A VERY, VERY
  • 00:15:58.190 --> 00:15:59.180
  • EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE THING.
  • 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:01.210
  • YOU KNOW THE THING ABOUT THOSE
  • 00:16:01.210 --> 00:16:03.150
  • FUNNY STORIES IS THAT EVERY
  • 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:05.130
  • RELATIONSHIP HAS THEM.
  • 00:16:05.130 --> 00:16:06.260
  • SO IT'S NOT LIKE,
  • 00:16:06.260 --> 00:16:08.010
  • HEY, I MARRIED A NEANDERTHAL;
  • 00:16:08.010 --> 00:16:10.270
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:16:10.270 --> 00:16:11.120
  • OR THIS IS NOT WHAT HE PROMISED
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.030
  • ME TO BE.
  • 00:16:14.030 --> 00:16:15.050
  • YOU KNOW THE THING THAT I THINK
  • 00:16:15.050 --> 00:16:16.150
  • IS SUCH A CHALLENGE FOR
  • 00:16:16.150 --> 00:16:17.140
  • INDIVIDUALS IS THEY FALL IN
  • 00:16:17.140 --> 00:16:18.210
  • LOVE WITH A PERCEPTION.
  • 00:16:18.210 --> 00:16:20.250
  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT.
  • 00:16:20.250 --> 00:16:21.190
  • MATT HAGEE: AND THEN AFTER THE
  • 00:16:21.190 --> 00:16:23.110
  • WEDDING,
  • 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:23.260
  • THEY GET A LOT OF PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:16:23.260 --> 00:16:25.080
  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT.
  • 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.030
  • MATT HAGEE: BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN
  • 00:16:26.030 --> 00:16:27.120
  • BE AWESOME FOR TWO AND A HALF,
  • 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.160
  • THREE HOURS ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
  • 00:16:29.160 --> 00:16:31.010
  • YOU KNOW THEY CAN REALLY APPLY
  • 00:16:31.010 --> 00:16:32.170
  • EVERY PART OF THEMSELVES TO
  • 00:16:32.170 --> 00:16:34.170
  • BEING THE BEST.
  • 00:16:34.170 --> 00:16:37.050
  • AND THEN WHENEVER YOU SAY,
  • 00:16:37.050 --> 00:16:38.010
  • "I DO," YOU GET THE WORST,
  • 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:40.140
  • BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHOWS UP
  • 00:16:40.140 --> 00:16:41.220
  • ALONG WITH THE BEST.
  • 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:43.050
  • AND PART OF THE WEDDING VOW IS
  • 00:16:43.050 --> 00:16:44.000
  • "FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE."
  • 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.000
  • I MEAN YOU DATED THE BETTER.
  • 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.270
  • YOU GOT ENGAGED TO THE BETTER.
  • 00:16:47.270 --> 00:16:49.130
  • NOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU IS
  • 00:16:49.130 --> 00:16:50.150
  • ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE WHAT'S
  • 00:16:50.150 --> 00:16:51.280
  • LEFT OF THIS ISSUE AND BRING IT
  • 00:16:51.280 --> 00:16:53.130
  • INTO YOUR LIFE AND MAKE SOME
  • 00:16:53.130 --> 00:16:54.220
  • ADJUSTMENTS FOR IT.
  • 00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:55.280
  • AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE
  • 00:16:55.280 --> 00:16:57.070
  • PRIDE ISSUE -- EACH OF US HAS
  • 00:16:57.070 --> 00:16:59.260
  • TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S THE WORST IN
  • 00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:01.070
  • US,
  • 00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:02.070
  • AND THEN BE WILLING TO KILL IT,
  • 00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:03.240
  • SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUALLY
  • 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.170
  • CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT OF BETTER
  • 00:17:05.170 --> 00:17:06.170
  • FOR OTHERS.
  • 00:17:06.170 --> 00:17:07.170
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:17:07.170 --> 00:17:08.060
  • YOU KNOW THERE'S A SCRIPTURE IN
  • 00:17:08.060 --> 00:17:09.040
  • JAMES 4 THAT SAYS THAT GOD
  • 00:17:09.040 --> 00:17:10.000
  • OPPOSES EVERYONE THAT'S
  • 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.030
  • PRIDEFUL,
  • 00:17:12.030 --> 00:17:13.100
  • BUT HE BLESSES ALL WHO HUMBLE
  • 00:17:13.100 --> 00:17:15.140
  • THEMSELVES WITH HIS UNDESERVED
  • 00:17:15.140 --> 00:17:16.220
  • GRACE.
  • 00:17:16.220 --> 00:17:17.240
  • AND IT DOESN'T SAY, OH,
  • 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.050
  • YOU KNOW BUT THAT ONE TIME YOU
  • 00:17:19.050 --> 00:17:20.040
  • CAN BE PRIDEFUL BECAUSE HE'S
  • 00:17:20.040 --> 00:17:21.050
  • BEING A REAL JERK.
  • 00:17:21.050 --> 00:17:22.080
  • NO.
  • 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:23.030
  • EVERYBODY, ALL THINGS;
  • 00:17:23.030 --> 00:17:24.160
  • YOU KNOW.
  • 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:25.060
  • YOU'VE GOT TO HUMBLE
  • 00:17:25.060 --> 00:17:25.260
  • YOURSELF.
  • 00:17:25.260 --> 00:17:26.100
  • AND I'LL TELL YOU,
  • 00:17:26.100 --> 00:17:26.280
  • EVERY TIME THAT I'VE NOW WHEN I
  • 00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:28.290
  • GO AND I HUMBLE MYSELF BEFORE
  • 00:17:28.290 --> 00:17:29.280
  • HIM,
  • 00:17:29.280 --> 00:17:30.180
  • I'M ALWAYS MET WITH GOD'S
  • 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:31.210
  • UNDESERVED GRACE,
  • 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:32.250
  • EVERY SINGLE TIME.
  • 00:17:32.250 --> 00:17:34.050
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
  • 00:17:34.050 --> 00:17:34.270
  • AND YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:17:34.270 --> 00:17:35.170
  • "UNDESERVED GRACE."
  • 00:17:35.170 --> 00:17:36.050
  • THERE'S ACTUALLY A SECTION
  • 00:17:36.050 --> 00:17:37.040
  • IN YOUR BOOK THAT TALKS
  • 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:37.260
  • ABOUT "UNDESERVED FORGIVENESS."
  • 00:17:37.260 --> 00:17:39.140
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:17:39.140 --> 00:17:40.100
  • MATT HAGEE: AND WHEN WE COME
  • 00:17:40.100 --> 00:17:41.040
  • BACK,
  • 00:17:41.040 --> 00:17:41.240
  • WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THIS
  • 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:42.110
  • TOPIC OF
  • 00:17:42.110 --> 00:17:43.030
  • "UNDESERVED FORGIVENESS,"
  • 00:17:43.030 --> 00:17:43.230
  • BECAUSE I ASSURE YOU,
  • 00:17:43.230 --> 00:17:45.020
  • AS MUCH FUN AS WE COULD HAVE
  • 00:17:45.020 --> 00:17:46.050
  • TALKING ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS,
  • 00:17:46.050 --> 00:17:47.170
  • THE REALITY OF IT IS,
  • 00:17:47.170 --> 00:17:48.240
  • IT BEGINS TO GROW WHEN YOU
  • 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.140
  • EXTEND UNDESERVED FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:17:50.140 --> 00:17:52.170
  • WHEN WE COME BACK,
  • 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:53.110
  • YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CHANCE
  • 00:17:53.110 --> 00:17:54.020
  • TO HEAR MORE FROM CLAYTON
  • 00:17:54.020 --> 00:17:54.280
  • AND ASHLEE.
  • 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:55.180
  • BUT RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:56.080
  • I WANT YOU TO HEAR ABOUT HOW
  • 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:57.060
  • YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THEIR
  • 00:17:57.060 --> 00:17:58.120
  • BOOK,
  • 00:17:58.120 --> 00:17:58.270
  • HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE
  • 00:17:58.270 --> 00:17:59.180
  • IN YOUR HANDS TODAY.
  • 00:17:59.180 --> 00:18:01.110
  • MUSIC
  • 00:18:01.110 --> 00:18:03.210
  • WHEN YOU GIVE TO
  • 00:18:03.210 --> 00:18:04.100
  • SANCTUARY OF HOPE,
  • 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:05.090
  • YOU ARE GIVING A CHILD A CHANCE
  • 00:18:05.090 --> 00:18:06.220
  • AT LIFE AND A HOPEFUL FUTURE.
  • 00:18:06.220 --> 00:18:08.210
  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF $50 OR MORE,
  • 00:18:08.210 --> 00:18:10.150
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE AS A GIFT,
  • 00:18:10.150 --> 00:18:11.220
  • A SPECIAL COFFEE MUG,
  • 00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:13.010
  • AN INSPIRING PRAYER JOURNAL,
  • 00:18:13.010 --> 00:18:14.180
  • AND CLAYTON AND ASHLEE HURST'S
  • 00:18:14.180 --> 00:18:15.270
  • BOOK, HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE.
  • 00:18:15.270 --> 00:18:17.220
  • AND FOR A GIFT OF $150 OR MORE,
  • 00:18:17.220 --> 00:18:20.030
  • YOU WILL RECEIVE ALL THREE
  • 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:21.030
  • GIFTS,
  • 00:18:21.030 --> 00:18:21.230
  • ALONG WITH A FRAMED WALL ART
  • 00:18:21.230 --> 00:18:23.060
  • FEATURING A FAMILIAR BLESSING
  • 00:18:23.060 --> 00:18:24.210
  • FROM PASTOR HAGEE.
  • 00:18:24.210 --> 00:18:25.260
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: AND NOW MAY
  • 00:18:25.260 --> 00:18:26.240
  • THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP
  • 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:27.210
  • YOU.
  • 00:18:27.210 --> 00:18:28.150
  • MAY THE LORD MAKE HIS FACE...
  • 00:18:28.150 --> 00:18:29.220
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:30.270
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:18:30.270 --> 00:18:33.120
  • SANCTUARY OF HOPE
  • 00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:34.270
  • WILL YOU HELP US CHANGE
  • 00:18:34.270 --> 00:18:35.270
  • THE WORLD ONE LIFE AT A TIME?
  • 00:18:35.270 --> 00:18:37.200
  • TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION,
  • 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.090
  • EVERY GIFT OF $500 OR MORE
  • 00:18:39.090 --> 00:18:41.110
  • WILL RECEIVE A FRAMED PAINTING
  • 00:18:41.110 --> 00:18:42.230
  • ENTITLED "HOPE AND LIBERTY;"
  • 00:18:42.230 --> 00:18:44.170
  • FOR $1500 OR MORE,
  • 00:18:44.170 --> 00:18:46.050
  • A "FOREVER FREE" BRONZE
  • 00:18:46.050 --> 00:18:47.080
  • STATUE;
  • 00:18:47.080 --> 00:18:48.010
  • AND FOR GIFTS OVER $2500,
  • 00:18:48.010 --> 00:18:50.140
  • A TREE PLANTED WITH
  • 00:18:50.140 --> 00:18:51.120
  • A PERSONALIZED PLAQUE
  • 00:18:51.120 --> 00:18:52.170
  • ON THE SANCTUARY OF HOPE CAMPUS,
  • 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:54.200
  • PLUS YOUR CHOICE BETWEEN
  • 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:56.010
  • THE PAINTING OR STATUE
  • 00:18:56.010 --> 00:18:57.100
  • AS A THANK YOU
  • 00:18:57.100 --> 00:18:57.290
  • FOR YOUR GENEROUS SUPPORT.
  • 00:18:57.290 --> 00:18:59.080
  • FOR MORE INFORMATION,
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.100
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN
  • 00:19:00.100 --> 00:19:01.180
  • OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE.
  • 00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:03.130
  • MUSIC
  • 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:04.000
  • DEAR PASTOR HAGEE,
  • 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.100
  • I JUST WANTED TO WRITE YOU
  • 00:19:05.100 --> 00:19:06.240
  • TO SAY HOW HONORED RAYLA JEAN
  • 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.060
  • AND I ARE TO HAVE BEEN PARTNERS
  • 00:19:08.060 --> 00:19:09.270
  • IN YOUR MINISTRY
  • 00:19:09.270 --> 00:19:10.200
  • ALL THESE YEARS
  • 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.220
  • AND TO SEE ALL THE AMAZING
  • 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:12.230
  • THINGS YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED
  • 00:19:12.230 --> 00:19:13.240
  • AROUND THE WORLD
  • 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:14.220
  • WITH THE GIFTS WE AND OTHERS
  • 00:19:14.220 --> 00:19:15.260
  • LIKE US HAD GLADLY GIVEN
  • 00:19:15.260 --> 00:19:17.080
  • OVER THE YEARS.
  • 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:18.080
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: I WANT
  • 00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:19.110
  • TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING
  • 00:19:19.110 --> 00:19:20.030
  • IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO PREACH
  • 00:19:20.030 --> 00:19:21.070
  • THE GOSPEL TO THE NATIONS
  • 00:19:21.070 --> 00:19:22.160
  • OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:23.170
  • THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:19:23.170 --> 00:19:25.160
  • BECOME A PARTNER TODAY.
  • 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.030
  • CALL THE TOLL-FREE NUMBER
  • 00:19:27.030 --> 00:19:28.160
  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG.
  • 00:19:28.270 --> 00:19:31.270
  • MUSIC
  • 00:19:31.270 --> 00:19:33.110
  • MUSIC
  • 00:19:33.110 --> 00:19:36.040
  • MATT HAGEE: WELCOME BACK TO
  • 00:19:36.040 --> 00:19:36.270
  • THE DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:19:36.270 --> 00:19:37.170
  • WE'RE TALKING WITH CLAYTON
  • 00:19:37.170 --> 00:19:38.080
  • AND ASHLEE.
  • 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:39.110
  • THEY HAVE WRITTEN A BOOK
  • 00:19:39.110 --> 00:19:40.100
  • "HOPE FOR YOUR MARRIAGE."
  • 00:19:40.100 --> 00:19:41.070
  • AND JUST BEFORE THE BREAK,
  • 00:19:41.070 --> 00:19:42.100
  • WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:43.170
  • UNDESERVED GRACE.
  • 00:19:43.170 --> 00:19:44.090
  • THAT'S THE BIBLE'S WORD IN
  • 00:19:44.090 --> 00:19:46.130
  • JAMES.
  • 00:19:46.130 --> 00:19:47.090
  • BUT YOU WRITE ABOUT
  • 00:19:47.090 --> 00:19:48.100
  • UNDESERVED FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:19:48.100 --> 00:19:50.000
  • WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT AND THE
  • 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:51.220
  • APPLICATION OF IT THAT REALLY
  • 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:53.020
  • BECOMES THE LIFE-GIVING RESOURCE
  • 00:19:53.020 --> 00:19:56.010
  • TO MARRIAGES?
  • 00:19:56.010 --> 00:19:58.060
  • ASHLEE HURST: GO AHEAD.
  • 00:19:58.060 --> 00:19:59.020
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:19:59.020 --> 00:19:59.110
  • KENDAL HAGEE: I LOVE THAT.
  • 00:19:59.110 --> 00:19:59.270
  • YOU SEE THAT'S COMMUNICATION.
  • 00:19:59.270 --> 00:20:00.170
  • MATT HAGEE: THAT'S MUTUAL
  • 00:20:00.170 --> 00:20:01.090
  • SUBMISSION RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:20:01.090 --> 00:20:02.050
  • ASHLEE HURST: SUBMISSION RIGHT
  • 00:20:02.050 --> 00:20:02.290
  • THERE, CLAYTON.
  • 00:20:02.290 --> 00:20:03.180
  • MATT HAGEE: BUT I'M GOING TO
  • 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:04.080
  • BREAK THE TIE.
  • 00:20:04.080 --> 00:20:04.270
  • CLAYTON, SPEAK UP.
  • 00:20:04.270 --> 00:20:05.210
  • CLAYTON HURST: WELL, I LOVE --
  • 00:20:05.210 --> 00:20:06.160
  • I LOVE THAT SHE TELLS
  • 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.110
  • A STORY ABOUT THE ASTRONAUT,
  • 00:20:07.110 --> 00:20:10.050
  • THE ASTRONAUT COUPLE.
  • 00:20:10.050 --> 00:20:11.190
  • THERE WAS THE -- YOU KNOW THE
  • 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:13.000
  • INCREDIBLE THING THAT HAPPENED
  • 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:14.190
  • WITH THE 60'S.
  • 00:20:14.190 --> 00:20:15.230
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:16.220
  • YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE BIG THING
  • 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:17.160
  • THEN IN THE 60'S AND 70'S,
  • 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:18.270
  • THE SPACE PROGRAM.
  • 00:20:18.270 --> 00:20:20.080
  • YOU KNOW YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE
  • 00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:21.020
  • LIVES OF THOSE ASTRONAUTS
  • 00:20:21.020 --> 00:20:22.170
  • AND THEIR WIVES.
  • 00:20:22.170 --> 00:20:23.040
  • THEY BECAME INSTANT CELEBRITIES.
  • 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:24.140
  • AND YOU'D THINK,
  • 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:25.020
  • OH, MY GOODNESS,
  • 00:20:25.020 --> 00:20:25.200
  • IT MUST BE AMAZING.
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.190
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THEY MUST HAVE IT
  • 00:20:26.190 --> 00:20:27.120
  • ALL TOGETHER.
  • 00:20:27.120 --> 00:20:28.040
  • ASHLEE HURST: I MEAN THE WIVES
  • 00:20:28.040 --> 00:20:28.280
  • WERE HAVING LUNCH WITH JACKIE.
  • 00:20:28.280 --> 00:20:29.190
  • OH, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:29.190 --> 00:20:30.100
  • I WAS JUST AN AMAZING TIME.
  • 00:20:30.100 --> 00:20:31.230
  • AND UM,
  • 00:20:31.230 --> 00:20:32.140
  • I READ THIS STORY ABOUT THIS --
  • 00:20:32.140 --> 00:20:33.190
  • WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:34.110
  • I THINK OUT OF THE 30 THAT WENT
  • 00:20:34.110 --> 00:20:36.040
  • THROUGH THE PROGRAM, ONLY GOSH,
  • 00:20:36.040 --> 00:20:38.020
  • I THINK ONLY SEVEN REMAINED
  • 00:20:38.020 --> 00:20:39.130
  • MARRIED.
  • 00:20:39.130 --> 00:20:40.120
  • I MEAN UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:20:40.120 --> 00:20:41.180
  • UM, BUT I READ THIS ONE
  • 00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:42.150
  • ABOUT A MAN NAMED CHARLIE DUKE.
  • 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:44.140
  • UM, HE WAS THE TENTH ASTRONAUT
  • 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:46.060
  • TO WALK ON THE MOON,
  • 00:20:46.060 --> 00:20:46.280
  • THE YOUNGEST MAN TO WALK
  • 00:20:46.280 --> 00:20:47.210
  • ON THE MOON.
  • 00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:48.190
  • AND I JUST READ THE STORY ABOUT
  • 00:20:48.190 --> 00:20:49.290
  • HE AND HIS WIFE, DOTTY.
  • 00:20:49.290 --> 00:20:51.020
  • THEY HAD -- THEY WERE HAVING
  • 00:20:51.020 --> 00:20:52.280
  • A TERRIBLE TIME IN THEIR
  • 00:20:52.280 --> 00:20:53.220
  • MARRIAGE.
  • 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:54.130
  • HE WAS GONE ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:55.280
  • SHE WONDERED IF HE WAS HAVING
  • 00:20:55.280 --> 00:20:57.050
  • AN AFFAIR,
  • 00:20:57.050 --> 00:20:58.020
  • BECAUSE A LOT OF THE MEN WERE
  • 00:20:58.020 --> 00:20:59.020
  • DURING THAT TIME,
  • 00:20:59.020 --> 00:20:59.250
  • BECAUSE THEY WERE GONE SO MUCH.
  • 00:20:59.250 --> 00:21:01.150
  • AND SO SHE WAS JUST TRYING TO
  • 00:21:01.150 --> 00:21:03.000
  • FIND SIGNIFICANCE SOMEWHERE.
  • 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.050
  • SHE WAS LOOKING EVERYWHERE
  • 00:21:04.050 --> 00:21:05.050
  • FOR SIGNIFICANCE.
  • 00:21:05.050 --> 00:21:06.120
  • AND SHE ENDED UP AT CHURCH AT
  • 00:21:06.120 --> 00:21:08.080
  • A REVIVAL AND GOT SAVED.
  • 00:21:08.080 --> 00:21:09.180
  • AND IT CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR
  • 00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:10.290
  • HER.
  • 00:21:10.290 --> 00:21:11.220
  • I MEAN HER WHOLE LIFE CHANGED.
  • 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:13.040
  • AND SO SHE JUST BEGAN TO PRAY
  • 00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:14.210
  • FOR HER HUSBAND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:16.020
  • JUST HELP HIM.
  • 00:21:16.020 --> 00:21:17.110
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN OUR
  • 00:21:17.110 --> 00:21:18.060
  • MARRIAGE.
  • 00:21:18.060 --> 00:21:18.230
  • YOU KNOW IT'S SO HORRIBLE.
  • 00:21:18.230 --> 00:21:19.280
  • AND SHE FELT LIKE THE LORD SAID
  • 00:21:19.280 --> 00:21:21.030
  • ONE DAY,
  • 00:21:21.030 --> 00:21:21.280
  • YOU NEED TO FORGIVE CHARLIE.
  • 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.160
  • AND SHE WAS LIKE, FORGIVE HIM?
  • 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.040
  • BUT HE DOESN'T EVEN CARE?
  • 00:21:25.040 --> 00:21:26.150
  • LIKE HE STILL IS MEAN TO ME.
  • 00:21:26.150 --> 00:21:28.130
  • HE STILL DOESN'T SHOW ME LOVE.
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:30.170
  • WHY WOULD I FORGIVE HIM?
  • 00:21:30.170 --> 00:21:31.190
  • MATT HAGEE: HE SHOULD SAY
  • 00:21:31.190 --> 00:21:32.070
  • SORRY.
  • 00:21:32.070 --> 00:21:32.250
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH,
  • 00:21:32.250 --> 00:21:33.190
  • HE SHOULD SAY SORRY.
  • 00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:34.120
  • HE HASN'T EVEN ASKED.
  • 00:21:34.120 --> 00:21:35.130
  • MATT HAGEE: HE NEEDS TO BE
  • 00:21:35.130 --> 00:21:36.060
  • SORRY CHARLIE BEFORE I GET TO
  • 00:21:36.060 --> 00:21:36.250
  • FORGIVE HIM.
  • 00:21:36.250 --> 00:21:37.140
  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH.
  • 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:38.050
  • AND THAT'S THE THING.
  • 00:21:38.050 --> 00:21:39.010
  • FORGIVENESS ISN'T ABOUT REALLY
  • 00:21:39.010 --> 00:21:39.260
  • THE OTHER PERSON;
  • 00:21:39.260 --> 00:21:40.200
  • IT'S ABOUT YOU AND GOD.
  • 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:41.210
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:21:41.210 --> 00:21:42.130
  • ASHLEE HURST: AND SO HE SAID,
  • 00:21:42.130 --> 00:21:43.050
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:21:43.050 --> 00:21:43.260
  • YOU NEED TO FORGIVE HIM;
  • 00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:44.170
  • I'LL DO THE REST.
  • 00:21:44.170 --> 00:21:45.100
  • AND SO SHE STARTED TO FORGIVE
  • 00:21:45.100 --> 00:21:46.010
  • HIM.
  • 00:21:46.010 --> 00:21:46.210
  • AND SHE CAME BACK TO THE LORD
  • 00:21:46.210 --> 00:21:47.130
  • AND SHE SAID,
  • 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:48.040
  • I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE
  • 00:21:48.040 --> 00:21:48.270
  • ASKING ME TO DO THIS;
  • 00:21:48.270 --> 00:21:49.220
  • NOTHING'S CHANGED.
  • 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:50.150
  • AND HE SAID,
  • 00:21:50.150 --> 00:21:51.090
  • HOW ARE YOU EVER SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:21:51.090 --> 00:21:52.080
  • UNDERSTAND WHAT UNCONDITIONAL
  • 00:21:52.080 --> 00:21:53.080
  • LOVE IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO
  • 00:21:53.080 --> 00:21:54.270
  • LOVE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T
  • 00:21:54.270 --> 00:21:55.250
  • DESERVE IT?
  • 00:21:55.250 --> 00:21:57.130
  • AND SHE THOUGHT, OKAY;
  • 00:21:57.130 --> 00:21:58.180
  • I'LL DO IT.
  • 00:21:58.180 --> 00:21:59.170
  • SO SHE JUST BEGAN TO DO
  • 00:21:59.170 --> 00:22:00.260
  • NICE THINGS FOR HIM.
  • 00:22:00.260 --> 00:22:01.230
  • SHE PUT NOTES IN HIS LUNCH,
  • 00:22:01.230 --> 00:22:03.040
  • AND KISSED HIM GOOD-BYE.
  • 00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:04.190
  • AND YOU KNOW SHE TOOK CARE OF
  • 00:22:04.190 --> 00:22:06.030
  • THE KIDS AND DIDN'T COMPLAIN
  • 00:22:06.030 --> 00:22:07.020
  • ABOUT HIM NOT BEING INVOLVED
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:08.020
  • WITH THEIR SON.
  • 00:22:08.020 --> 00:22:09.090
  • AND TWO YEARS LATER --
  • 00:22:09.090 --> 00:22:10.180
  • SHE DID THIS FOR TWO YEARS
  • 00:22:10.180 --> 00:22:11.240
  • ONLY BY GOD'S GRACE,
  • 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:12.240
  • ONLY BY GOD'S GRACE.
  • 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.220
  • YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT GOD.
  • 00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:14.220
  • KENDAL HAGEE: NO, HUH-UH.
  • 00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:15.190
  • ASHLEE HURST: TWO YEARS LATER,
  • 00:22:15.190 --> 00:22:16.170
  • HE THOUGHT TO HIMSELF;
  • 00:22:16.170 --> 00:22:17.080
  • HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:22:17.080 --> 00:22:18.030
  • SHE'S BEEN SO NICE TO ME.
  • 00:22:18.030 --> 00:22:19.050
  • I COULD AT LEAST DO ONE NICE
  • 00:22:19.050 --> 00:22:20.210
  • THING FOR HER.
  • 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:21.190
  • SO HE WENT TO HER AND SAID,
  • 00:22:21.190 --> 00:22:22.220
  • YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO ONE NICE
  • 00:22:22.220 --> 00:22:23.280
  • THING FOR YOU.
  • 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:24.200
  • WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
  • 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:25.140
  • AND SHE SAID --
  • 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:26.100
  • MATT HAGEE: SHE SAID,
  • 00:22:26.100 --> 00:22:27.010
  • HOLD STILL WHILE I HIT YOU.
  • 00:22:27.010 --> 00:22:27.240
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:28.190
  • ASHLEE HURST: LET ME PUNCH YOU
  • 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:29.110
  • A COUPLE OF TIMES.
  • 00:22:29.110 --> 00:22:30.010
  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH, EXACTLY.
  • 00:22:30.010 --> 00:22:30.280
  • ASHLEE HURST: NO. SHE SAID --
  • 00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:31.180
  • MATT HAGEE: DON'T MOVE.
  • 00:22:31.180 --> 00:22:32.090
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:22:32.090 --> 00:22:33.030
  • ASHLEE HURST: SHE SAID,
  • 00:22:33.030 --> 00:22:33.260
  • YOU KNOW THERE IS REVIVAL AT MY
  • 00:22:33.260 --> 00:22:35.170
  • CHURCH THIS WEEK AND I'D LOVE
  • 00:22:35.170 --> 00:22:36.240
  • FOR YOU TO COME.
  • 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.110
  • IT'S LIKE THIS WEEKEND
  • 00:22:37.110 --> 00:22:38.020
  • GET-A-WAY.
  • 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:38.280
  • AND HE SAID, OKAY; I'LL GO.
  • 00:22:38.280 --> 00:22:40.240
  • AND SO HE CAME AND THE LORD
  • 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:43.030
  • JUST -- HE JUST -- MIRACLE,
  • 00:22:43.030 --> 00:22:45.180
  • HE BECAME A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:47.000
  • HE ASKED JESUS INTO HIS HEART.
  • 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.260
  • AND AFTER THAT, HE, THE LORD,
  • 00:22:48.260 --> 00:22:50.150
  • BEGAN TO SPEAK TO HIM AND SAID,
  • 00:22:50.150 --> 00:22:52.010
  • YOU NEED TO LOVE YOUR WIFE.
  • 00:22:52.010 --> 00:22:53.020
  • YOU HAVE NOT BEEN LOVING
  • 00:22:53.020 --> 00:22:53.260
  • YOUR WIFE.
  • 00:22:53.260 --> 00:22:54.140
  • AND SO IT TOTALLY CHANGED THEIR
  • 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:56.080
  • MARRIAGE, CHANGED THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:57.210
  • I MEAN I THINK THEY'RE IN
  • 00:22:57.210 --> 00:22:59.050
  • THEIR, GOSH, 80'S OR 90'S NOW.
  • 00:22:59.050 --> 00:23:01.150
  • AND THEY TRAVEL THE WORLD
  • 00:23:01.150 --> 00:23:02.210
  • TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT THE LORD
  • 00:23:02.210 --> 00:23:03.250
  • AND WHAT HE HAD DONE IN THEIR
  • 00:23:03.250 --> 00:23:04.180
  • MARRIAGE.
  • 00:23:04.180 --> 00:23:05.100
  • AND YOU KNOW IT WAS BECAUSE SHE
  • 00:23:05.100 --> 00:23:06.250
  • DIDN'T GIVE UP.
  • 00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:07.130
  • IT WAS BECAUSE SHE FORGAVE.
  • 00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:08.260
  • SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO.
  • 00:23:08.260 --> 00:23:09.190
  • SHE HAD EVERY RIGHT NOT TO.
  • 00:23:09.190 --> 00:23:11.210
  • BUT BECAUSE OF HER
  • 00:23:11.210 --> 00:23:12.100
  • FAITHFULNESS,
  • 00:23:12.100 --> 00:23:14.000
  • IT CHANGED THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:14.290
  • MATT HAGEE: IN THE TWO MINUTES
  • 00:23:14.290 --> 00:23:16.030
  • THAT YOU'VE TAKEN TO SHARE THAT
  • 00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:16.270
  • TESTIMONY,
  • 00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:17.170
  • THERE ARE TWO YEARS OF HER
  • 00:23:17.170 --> 00:23:20.010
  • DYING TO SELF TO THE POINT THAT
  • 00:23:20.020 --> 00:23:23.020
  • SHE'S EVEN WILLING IN THE
  • 00:23:23.020 --> 00:23:25.240
  • MOMENT WHEN SHE SHOULD FEEL
  • 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.280
  • MOST FREE TO VINDICATE HERSELF,
  • 00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:29.280
  • TO SAY, HEY,
  • 00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:30.190
  • WOULD YOU COME TO CHURCH WITH
  • 00:23:30.190 --> 00:23:31.150
  • ME?
  • 00:23:31.150 --> 00:23:32.090
  • YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF SHE
  • 00:23:32.090 --> 00:23:33.170
  • ABANDONS ANY PROCESS OF THAT
  • 00:23:33.170 --> 00:23:35.010
  • OR MOMENT OF THAT,
  • 00:23:35.010 --> 00:23:35.240
  • SHE LOSES ALL THAT TIME AND
  • 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.000
  • EFFORT SHE PUT INTO TRYING TO
  • 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.210
  • MAKE IT BETTER.
  • 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:39.110
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:23:39.110 --> 00:23:40.010
  • SHE WON HER HUSBAND OVER BY HER
  • 00:23:40.010 --> 00:23:40.250
  • ACTIONS, NOT BY HER WORDS.
  • 00:23:40.250 --> 00:23:42.110
  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT.
  • 00:23:42.110 --> 00:23:43.040
  • EXACTLY.
  • 00:23:43.040 --> 00:23:43.280
  • CLAYTON HURST: I THINK THE
  • 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:44.220
  • DIFFERENCE WAS SHE WAS WILLING
  • 00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:45.170
  • TO MAKE A CHOICE.
  • 00:23:45.170 --> 00:23:46.080
  • SHE WAS WILLING TO SAY,
  • 00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:47.040
  • I WILL LAY DOWN MY PRIDE.
  • 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:49.020
  • I'LL LAY DOWN THOSE THINGS,
  • 00:23:49.020 --> 00:23:50.140
  • AND BECAUSE SHE WAS WILLING TO
  • 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:51.270
  • MAKE THAT CHOICE FOR TWO YEARS.
  • 00:23:51.270 --> 00:23:53.160
  • YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE
  • 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.110
  • AREN'T WILLING TO MAKE THAT
  • 00:23:54.110 --> 00:23:55.060
  • CHOICE, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:23:55.060 --> 00:23:56.080
  • BUT I LOVE THAT IN
  • 00:23:56.080 --> 00:23:57.100
  • 1 CORINTHIANS 13,
  • 00:23:57.100 --> 00:23:58.160
  • IT SAYS, "LOVE IS PATIENT.
  • 00:23:58.160 --> 00:23:59.200
  • LOVE IS KIND."
  • 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:00.250
  • YOU KNOW NONE OF THOSE ARE
  • 00:24:00.250 --> 00:24:01.200
  • TOUCHY, FEELY FEELINGS.
  • 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.160
  • NO.
  • 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.110
  • THOSE ARE CHOICES THAT WE MAKE
  • 00:24:04.110 --> 00:24:05.220
  • EVERY SINGLE DAY.
  • 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:06.190
  • AND ULTIMATELY,
  • 00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:07.200
  • IT'S A GREAT DISPLAY OF,
  • 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.020
  • YOU KNOW, GOD'S LOVE FOR US.
  • 00:24:09.020 --> 00:24:10.130
  • HE CHOOSES TO LOVE US EVERY
  • 00:24:10.130 --> 00:24:12.010
  • SINGLE DAY, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:12.010 --> 00:24:13.080
  • UNCONDITIONALLY.
  • 00:24:13.080 --> 00:24:14.000
  • AND THAT'S OUR ROLE WITH A
  • 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:15.240
  • HUSBAND AND A WIFE IS TO CHOOSE
  • 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.100
  • TO LOVE EACH OTHER EVERY SINGLE
  • 00:24:17.100 --> 00:24:18.120
  • DAY.
  • 00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:19.040
  • ASHLEE HURST: REGARDLESS OF
  • 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:19.290
  • WHAT THEY DO TO YOU.
  • 00:24:19.290 --> 00:24:20.120
  • CLAYTON HURST: REGARDLESS,
  • 00:24:20.120 --> 00:24:20.280
  • YEAH.
  • 00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.140
  • MATT HAGEE: AND I THINK ONE OF
  • 00:24:21.140 --> 00:24:22.070
  • THE GREATEST CHALLENGES FOR
  • 00:24:22.070 --> 00:24:22.260
  • MINISTERS,
  • 00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:23.180
  • ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE
  • 00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:24.150
  • TOPIC OF MARRIAGE,
  • 00:24:24.150 --> 00:24:25.250
  • IS TO RELATE THE REALITY OF
  • 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.200
  • THEIR RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.240
  • YOU KNOW PEOPLE WATCH YOU ON TV
  • 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.170
  • OR THEY SEE THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN
  • 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:33.130
  • A BOOK, AND THEY GO,
  • 00:24:33.130 --> 00:24:34.080
  • WELL YOU GUYS HAVE GOT IT ALL
  • 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:34.290
  • FIGURED OUT, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:24:34.290 --> 00:24:36.140
  • AND YET,
  • 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:37.280
  • THEY'RE SITTING AT HOME,
  • 00:24:37.280 --> 00:24:38.240
  • THEY'RE WATCHING THIS,
  • 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.010
  • AND WE WANT THEM TO GET THIS
  • 00:24:40.010 --> 00:24:41.100
  • BOOK IN THEIR HANDS.
  • 00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:41.290
  • WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO
  • 00:24:41.290 --> 00:24:42.250
  • RECEIVE WHENEVER THEY PICK IT
  • 00:24:42.250 --> 00:24:43.280
  • UP?
  • 00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:44.240
  • CLAYTON HURST: I THINK THE
  • 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:45.190
  • GREATEST THING THAT ANYBODY AND
  • 00:24:45.190 --> 00:24:46.270
  • ALL OF US CAN LEARN IS JUST THE
  • 00:24:46.270 --> 00:24:48.150
  • WILLINGNESS TO BE VULNERABLE.
  • 00:24:48.150 --> 00:24:50.050
  • YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE VULNERABLE,
  • 00:24:50.050 --> 00:24:51.110
  • WHEN I'M VULNERABLE WITH ASHLEE,
  • 00:24:51.110 --> 00:24:53.180
  • THERE'S NOTHING THAT STAND IN
  • 00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:54.280
  • BETWEEN US.
  • 00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:55.150
  • I'M WILLING TO OPEN UP MY
  • 00:24:55.150 --> 00:24:56.060
  • HEART.
  • 00:24:56.060 --> 00:24:56.260
  • I'M WILLING TO LET HER KNOW
  • 00:24:56.260 --> 00:24:57.170
  • ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE
  • 00:24:57.170 --> 00:24:58.160
  • ON, PAST PRESENT,
  • 00:24:58.160 --> 00:24:59.200
  • AND IN DREAMS FOR THE FUTURE.
  • 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.110
  • I'M WILLING TO DO THAT WITH
  • 00:25:01.110 --> 00:25:02.130
  • HER.
  • 00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:03.010
  • AND THEN WHEN SHE'S WILLING TO
  • 00:25:03.010 --> 00:25:03.290
  • BE VULNERABLE WITH ME,
  • 00:25:03.290 --> 00:25:05.110
  • YOU KNOW, AND OPEN UP ABOUT WHAT
  • 00:25:05.110 --> 00:25:06.170
  • SHE'S GOING THROUGH,
  • 00:25:06.170 --> 00:25:07.140
  • WHAT SHE'S FEELING,
  • 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:08.040
  • AND WHAT SHE'S THINKING,
  • 00:25:08.040 --> 00:25:09.000
  • ALL THOSE THINGS,
  • 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:09.290
  • THAT'S WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE
  • 00:25:09.290 --> 00:25:11.010
  • PEOPLE GET OUT OF THIS,
  • 00:25:11.010 --> 00:25:12.040
  • IS JUST YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
  • 00:25:12.040 --> 00:25:13.090
  • MAKE A CHANGE THAT CAN BEGIN TO
  • 00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:15.210
  • SPARK THAT HOPE IN YOUR
  • 00:25:15.210 --> 00:25:17.010
  • MARRIAGE.
  • 00:25:17.010 --> 00:25:17.220
  • ASHLEE HURST: AND FOR YOU TO
  • 00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.170
  • NOT KNOW YOU'RE ALONE.
  • 00:25:18.170 --> 00:25:19.140
  • THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD A LOT FROM
  • 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:20.190
  • PEOPLE IS,
  • 00:25:20.190 --> 00:25:21.120
  • "I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
  • 00:25:21.120 --> 00:25:22.070
  • DEALING WITH THAT."
  • 00:25:22.070 --> 00:25:23.050
  • AND THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT
  • 00:25:23.050 --> 00:25:23.270
  • YEAR FIVE.
  • 00:25:23.270 --> 00:25:24.230
  • I THOUGHT, I'M THE ONLY ONE
  • 00:25:24.230 --> 00:25:25.180
  • DEALING WITH THIS.
  • 00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:26.110
  • I'M A PASTOR'S WIFE.
  • 00:25:26.110 --> 00:25:27.240
  • YOU KNOW HOW COULD I POSSIBLY
  • 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.010
  • GO AND TALK TO SOMEBODY?
  • 00:25:29.010 --> 00:25:29.260
  • WE WERE SO EMBARRASSED.
  • 00:25:29.260 --> 00:25:31.130
  • AND SO WE JUST DIDN'T TALK TO
  • 00:25:31.130 --> 00:25:32.150
  • ANYBODY.
  • 00:25:32.150 --> 00:25:33.130
  • BUT I WOULD JUST SAY,
  • 00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:34.130
  • TALK TO SOMEBODY,
  • 00:25:34.130 --> 00:25:35.090
  • FIND SOMEBODY YOU TRUST,
  • 00:25:35.090 --> 00:25:36.200
  • TALK TO THEM.
  • 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:37.190
  • YOU CAN'T HOLD IT IN.
  • 00:25:37.190 --> 00:25:39.030
  • YOU CAN'T ISOLATE YOURSELF.
  • 00:25:39.030 --> 00:25:40.120
  • WHEN YOU DO THAT,
  • 00:25:40.120 --> 00:25:41.010
  • THEN YOU START HEARING THE
  • 00:25:41.010 --> 00:25:41.260
  • VOICES, THE ENEMY,
  • 00:25:41.260 --> 00:25:42.260
  • TELLING YOU,
  • 00:25:42.260 --> 00:25:43.200
  • YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT WORTH IT.
  • 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:44.240
  • MATT HAGEE: THE ENEMY'S GOAL IS
  • 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:45.260
  • THAT ISOLATION.
  • 00:25:45.260 --> 00:25:46.250
  • ASHLEE HURST: YES.
  • 00:25:46.250 --> 00:25:47.180
  • MATT HAGEE: THAT'S WHY PETER
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  • ENCOURAGED THE CHURCH,
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  • HEY, SHARE WITH EACH OTHER
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  • WHAT YOUR BURDENS ARE,
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  • BECAUSE YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT
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  • OTHER PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH
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  • THE SAME THING,
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  • AND THEN YOU CAN WORK IT OUT
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  • TOGETHER.
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  • YOU KNOW THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A
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  • PARAPHRASE OF THE HAGEE
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  • INTERNATIONAL VERSION.
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  • (LAUGHTER)
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  • THE REALITY OF IT IS,
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  • AND YOU'VE DONE THIS VERY WELL
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  • IN YOUR BOOK,
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  • YOU COMMUNICATE THAT THERE IS
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  • HOPE.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: RIGHT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: AND THAT THERE
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  • ISN'T EVER,
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  • AS YOU MENTIONED WITH YOUR
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  • PARENTS COMING TO A MARRIAGE
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  • CONFERENCE AFTER 50 YEARS,
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  • THERE ISN'T EVER A COMPLETION.
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  • THERE'S JUST ALWAYS A
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  • CONTINUATION OF THE PROCESS
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  • IN COMPLIMENTING ONE ANOTHER.
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  • CLAYTON HURST: FOR SURE.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: YEAH,
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  • YOU CAN'T EVER COAST.
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  • YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT
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  • ANYBODY'S EVER WORKED VERY,
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  • VERY HARD AT,
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  • ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL
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  • AT ANYTHING,
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  • THEY'VE WORKED EXTREMELY HARD
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  • TO GET THERE.
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  • WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THE SAME
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  • THING WITH YOUR MARRIAGE?
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  • WHY WOULDN'T YOU WORK EXTREMELY
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  • HARD AT YOUR MARRIAGE TOO;
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  • YOU KNOW?
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  • AND SO THAT'S --
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  • CLAYTON HURST: THERE'S SO MANY
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  • DIFFERENT SEASONS IN YOUR
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  • MARRIAGE; YOU KNOW?
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  • SHE'S NOT THE SAME WOMAN THAT
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  • SHE WAS WHEN I MARRIED HER.
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  • I'M NOT THE SAME MAN,
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  • THANKFULLY.
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  • WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FIGHT OVER
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  • THE TOWELS OR THE TRASH CAN;
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  • YOU KNOW I'VE GROWN.
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  • I'VE GROWN A LITTLE BIT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: I'M GLAD YOU GOT
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  • VICTORY, BROTHER.
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  • CLAYTON HURST: BUT WE START
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  • GOING THROUGH THAT AND IT'S
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  • AMAZING WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
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  • MATT HAGEE: YEAH.
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  • NO MATTER WHAT PHASE OR STAGE
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  • OF MARRIAGE YOU'RE IN,
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  • THERE IS INDEED HOPE.
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  • THAT HOPE COMES FROM
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  • JESUS CHRIST AND THE WORK
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  • AND THE PLAN THAT HE HAS FOR YOU
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  • AND FOR YOUR FAMILY.
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  • CLAYTON AND ASHLEE,
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  • I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING
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  • OUR GUESTS TODAY AND FOR THE
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  • WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
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  • ASHLEE HURST: THANK YOU.
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  • MATT HAGEE: I WANT EACH AND
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  • EVERY ONE OF YOU,
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  • WHO ARE WATCHING,
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  • TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET
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  • THIS RESOURCE,
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  • TO USE IT IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP,
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  • AND TO SHARE IT WITH OTHERS.
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  • BECAUSE I ASSURE YOU THAT AS
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  • THE FAMILY IS STRENGTHENED,
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  • SO WILL THE BODY OF CHRIST BE
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  • AROUND THE WORLD.
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  • AND THAT WILL MAKE
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  • THE DIFFERENCE.
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  • YOU'RE A DIFFERENCE MAKER
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  • TODAY.
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  • AND WE WANT YOU TO SEE US AGAIN
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  • VERY SOON RIGHT HERE ON
  • 00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:22.130
  • THE DIFFERENCE.
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