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Ruth Graham | Forgiveness

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November 6, 2019
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  • NEXT ON LIFE TODAY!
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  • RUTH GRAHAM OPENS UP ABOUT HER STRUGGLE WITH UNFORGIVENESS
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  • TOWARD OTHERS AND HERSELF.
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  • Ruth: I HAD ALWAYS LOOKED AT FORGIVENESS
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  • AS A WAY TO GET HEALTHY EMOTIONALLY.
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  • WE'VE BEEN TOLD IT IS A GIFT WE GIVE OURSELVES,
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  • IT IS A LETTING GO.
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  • AND AT THAT POINT, I REALIZED THAT
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  • FORGIVENESS WAS SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
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  • IT REALLY WAS MUCH MORE THAN THAT AND I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.
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  • I WANTED TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF THAT KIND OF FORGIVENESS
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  • WHERE I WAS CHANGED, WHERE I WAS TRANSFORMED.
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  • Sheila: WELCOME TO LIFE TODAY !
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  • I'M SHEILA WALSH
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  • AND I'M SO GLAD
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  • THAT YOU HAVE TUNED IN
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  • TO THIS PARTICULAR EPISODE.
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  • STRUGGLED WITH FORGIVENESS.
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  • YOU MIGHT BE IN A SITUATION
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  • WHERE YOU ARE LIKE,
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  • DO NOT EVEN ASK ME TO FORGIVE
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  • -- THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
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  • THAT WOULD NOT BE FAIR.
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  • WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG.
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  • OR MAYBE YOU'RE IN A PLACE
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  • WHERE YOU THINK,
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  • I CAN'T FORGIVE MYSELF.
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  • WELL, I THINK TODAY'S GUEST
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  • IS GOING TO BRING SOME
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  • MUCH NEEDED LIGHT
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  • INTO ANY DARK SPACES.
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  • SO I JUST WANT
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  • TO WELCOME RUTH GRAHAM.
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  • IT'S SO GREAT YOU'RE WITH US.
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  • Ruth: I'M SO HAPPY TO BE HERE.
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  • Sheila: THIS FANTASTIC BOOK,
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  • IT'S CALLED,
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  • FORGIVING MY FATHER,
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  • FORGIVING MYSELF:
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  • AN INVITATION
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  • TO THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS.
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  • I LOVE TO READ
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  • SO I USUALLY
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  • GET TO READ A LOT OF BOOKS
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  • BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS ONE,
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  • I READ LITERALLY
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  • FROM COVER TO COVER
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  • BECAUSE I KNEW I DIDN'T WANT
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  • TO MISS ANYTHING.
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  • BUT I WONDER IF YOU'D
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  • TAKE US TO THE BEGINNING.
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  • YOU START WITH THIS INCREDIBLY
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  • COMPELLING ACCOUNT
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  • OF AN ENCOUNTER YOU HAD
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  • WITH A MAN IN ANGOLA PRISON.
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  • RUTH GRAHAM AND FRIENDS,
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  • WHICH WAS A MINISTRY
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  • THAT THE LORD HAD GIVEN ME,
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  • WITH A TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS,
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  • TEACHERS;
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  • WE WERE INVITED TO GO SPEAK
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  • TO THE PRISONERS AT ANGOLA.
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  • AND ANGOLA PRISON,
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  • AS YOU KNOW, IS A PLACE
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  • WHERE PEOPLE GO FOR LIFE.
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  • THEY DON'T GET OUT OF ANGOLA;
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  • THEY ARE HARDENED CRIMINALS,
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  • MOST OF THEM.
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  • I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
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  • I'D NEVER BEEN IN A PRISON.
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  • WHILE WE WERE THERE,
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  • THE WARDEN BURL CAIN ASKED
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  • IF I WOULD GO TO DEATH ROW
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  • AND VISIT THE PRISONERS THERE,
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  • THAT OUR TEAM WOULD GO.
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  • I SAID YES BECAUSE
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  • I FELT LIKE I HAD TO
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  • BUT I WAS SCARED TO DEATH.
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  • I THOUGHT, I HAVE NEVER BEEN
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  • IN THAT KIND OF A SITUATION.
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  • AND WHAT DID I,
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  • AS A MIDDLE-AGE
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  • WHITE HOMEMAKER
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  • HAVE TO SAY
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  • TO THESE HARDENED CRIMINALS?
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  • AND I JUST SAID, LORD,
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  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
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  • TO TAKE OVER.
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  • AS WE WALKED THROUGH THE GATES
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  • AND THEY CLANKED CLOSED
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  • BEHIND US,
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  • AND THE KEYS RATTLED
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  • ON THE GUARD
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  • GOING THE OTHER WAY.
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  • WE FACED A CORRIDOR OF CELLS
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  • AND CONCRETE FLOORS.
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  • SO OUR FOOTFALLS ECHOED.
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  • WE DIVIDED UP
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  • SO WE COULD SPEAK TO
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  • AS MANY PRISONERS AS WE COULD.
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  • THE FIRST PRISONER I SPOKE TO
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  • STUCK OUT HIS HAND.
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  • A LITTLE BROWN HAND
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  • AND HE SAID, "I'M MICHAEL."
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  • WE TALKED A BIT.
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  • I ASKED ABOUT HIS FAMILY.
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  • Sheila: DID YOU TAKE HIS HAND?
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  • Ruth: OF COURSE! OF COURSE!
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  • I KNEW I WAS SAFE.
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  • I KNEW I WAS SAFE.
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  • BURL CAIN WOULD HAVE HAD IT
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  • NO OTHER WAY.
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  • BUT I JUST --
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  • HE HAD DEEP BROWN EYES
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  • AND A WARM SMILE.
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  • AND HE SAID,
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  • "CAN I SING YOU A SONG?"
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  • I THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS!
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  • SO HE STOOD BACK
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  • AND HE TOOK A DEEP BREATH
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  • AND SANG A CAPPELLA,
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  • "IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL."
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  • Ruth: ON DEATH ROW.
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  • I KNEW IT WAS WELL WITH HIM.
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  • I COULD SEE IT IN HIS FACE
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  • THEN WHEN WE FINISHED
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  • AND I BEGAN TO LEAVE HE SAID,
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  • "OH! I HAVE A GIFT FOR YOU."
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  • I THOUGHT, WHAT DOES THIS MAN
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  • ON DEATH ROW HAVE TO GIVE ME?
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  • I WANT TO GIVE HIM SOMETHING.
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  • BUT HE WENT AND GRABBED
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  • UNDER HIS PILLOW AND THERE
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  • WAS A LITTLE WOVEN CROSS
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  • THAT HE HAD WOVEN
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  • OUT OF THE THREADS
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  • FROM HIS BEDSHEET.
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  • HE HANDED IT TO ME
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  • AND IT'S AT MY HOUSE NOW,
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  • ALWAYS A REMINDER TO PRAY
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  • FOR THOSE MEN IN ANGOLA.
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  • AND WE LEFT,
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  • SAID OUR GOOD-BYES
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  • AND I THOUGHT
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  • THAT WAS THE END OF IT.
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  • AND ABOUT THREE WEEKS LATER...
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  • WHILE I WAS THERE
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  • THE NATIONAL PRESS
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  • PICKED UP THE FACT
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  • THAT I WAS AT ANGOLA
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  • AND CARRIED IT NATIONALLY.
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  • I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A LADY
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  • AND SHE SAID,
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  • "DID YOU REALLY GO
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  • TO ANGOLA'S DEATH ROW?"
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  • I EMAILED HER BACK
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  • AND I SAID, "YES."
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  • SHE SAID,
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  • "DID YOU MEET SO-AND-SO?"
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  • AND I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW.
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  • I MET A LOT OF MEN,
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  • I'LL HAVE TO ASK."
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  • SO I CALLED BURL CAIN
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  • AND HE SAID, "YES, YOU DID."
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  • AND SO I EMAILED HER BACK
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  • AND SAID, "YES, I DID."
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  • AND SHE EMAILED ME
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  • AND SHE SAID,
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  • "IS HE A BELIEVER?"
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  • I SAID, "WELL, I'VE GOT
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  • TO CHECK WITH WARDEN CANE.
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  • SO I CALLED BURL CAIN BACK
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  • AND I SAID, "BURL,
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  • IS HE A BELIEVER?"
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  • HE SAID, "YES,
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  • AS A MATTER OF FACT,
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  • HE'S SCHEDULED
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  • I THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS.
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  • SO I EMAILED THIS PERSON BACK
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  • AND I SAID, "YES.
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  • HE IS A BELIEVER.
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  • IN THIS YOUNG PERSON?"
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  • AND THEY REPLIED,
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  • "HE MURDERED MY GRANDDAUGHTER
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  • IN A GRUESOME WAY."
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  • I THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS!
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  • AND SHE SAID,
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  • "I TAKE NO PLEASURE
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  • IN HIS IMPENDING DEATH.
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  • BUT I WANT TO KNOW
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  • HE'LL BE IN HEAVEN WITH ME."
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  • SUCH GRACE!
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  • I CAN ONLY PICTURE...
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  • BECAUSE HE WAS EXECUTED
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  • LATER THAT MONTH.
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  • I COULD ONLY PICTURE HIM
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  • STEPPING INTO HEAVEN
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  • AND SEEING
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  • A LITTLE GRANDDAUGHTER THERE
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  • WELCOMING HIM
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  • AS A BROTHER IN CHRIST.
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  • JUST A POWERFUL ILLUSTRATION
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  • TO ME OF THE MIRACLE
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  • OF FORGIVENESS.
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  • ONLY GOD COULD DO THAT.
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  • THAT DO TO YOU?
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  • OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE
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  • BILLY GRAHAM'S DAUGHTER.
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  • YOU PROBABLY HEARD
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  • Ruth: BEFORE I WAS BORN.
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  • Sheila: READ TO YOU. YES!
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  • BUT WHAT DID THAT
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  • PARTICULAR STORY
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  • AND THE STORY
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  • OF THE GRANDPARENTS,
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  • HOW DID THAT IMPACT
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  • YOUR OWN LIFE?
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  • Ruth: IT DID BECAUSE I HAD
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  • ALWAYS LOOKED AT FORGIVENESS
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  • AS A WAY TO GET HEALTHY
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  • EMOTIONALLY.
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  • I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS...
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  • WE'VE BEEN TOLD IT IS A GIFT
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  • WE GIVE OURSELVES.
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  • IT'S A LETTING GO.
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  • AND AT THAT POINT,
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  • I REALIZED THAT FORGIVENESS
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  • WAS SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
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  • IT REALLY WAS
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  • MUCH MORE THAN THAT
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  • AND I WANTED TO KNOW MORE
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  • ABOUT IT.
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  • I WANTED TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE
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  • OF THAT KIND OF FORGIVENESS
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  • WHERE I WAS CHANGED,
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  • WHERE I WAS TRANSFORMED
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  • LIKE THE GRANDMOTHER
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  • AND THE PRISONER.
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  • Sheila: YOU TELL
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  • AN INTERESTING STORY
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  • THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • WILL RELATE TO
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  • OF WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG
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  • AND SOMETHING HAPPENED
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  • AND YOU ENDED UP GETTING
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  • IN TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING
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  • YOU DID NOT INITIATE.
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  • BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING
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  • I'VE HEARD FROM MY SON
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  • WHEN HE WAS GROWING UP,
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  • "MOM, IT IS NOT FAIR!"
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  • WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE
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  • WHO SAY, "YOU WANT ME
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  • TO FORGIVE BUT IT'S NOT FAIR."
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  • Ruth: IT'S NOT FAIR!
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  • I AGREE WITH YOU.
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  • IT'S LIKE IN THE STORE,
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  • IF YOU BREAK IT,
  • 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:02.220
  • YOU HAVE TO BUY IT.
  • 00:07:02.220 --> 00:07:05.170
  • WHEN WE FORGIVE IT'S LIKE,
  • 00:07:05.170 --> 00:07:07.070
  • IT'S BROKEN
  • 00:07:07.070 --> 00:07:08.120
  • BUT WE DIDN'T BREAK IT
  • 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:09.140
  • BUT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
  • 00:07:09.140 --> 00:07:11.150
  • THIS DOESN'T SEEM FAIR.
  • 00:07:11.150 --> 00:07:13.240
  • BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK
  • 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.020
  • AT THE CRUCIFIXION.
  • 00:07:15.020 --> 00:07:16.200
  • JESUS KNOWS HOW UNFAIR IT WAS.
  • 00:07:16.200 --> 00:07:18.250
  • HE WAS BLOODIED
  • 00:07:18.250 --> 00:07:20.200
  • BEYOND RECOGNITION,
  • 00:07:20.200 --> 00:07:22.090
  • AND BEATEN -- AND REALLY
  • 00:07:22.250 --> 00:07:25.250
  • WAS BEATEN UNTIL HE WAS RAW,
  • 00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:27.290
  • AND THEN NAILED TO A CROSS.
  • 00:07:27.290 --> 00:07:29.290
  • WHILE HE WAS BEING NAILED
  • 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.140
  • TO THE CROSS HE SAID,
  • 00:07:31.140 --> 00:07:32.220
  • "FATHER, FORGIVE THEM.
  • 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:33.290
  • THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO."
  • 00:07:33.290 --> 00:07:35.100
  • THAT WAS UNFAIR
  • 00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:37.270
  • BUT THAT IS HOLY,
  • 00:07:37.270 --> 00:07:39.100
  • THAT IS SACRED TERRITORY.
  • 00:07:39.100 --> 00:07:40.220
  • THAT IS JUST --
  • 00:07:40.220 --> 00:07:42.130
  • THAT IS MORE THAN HEALTHY
  • 00:07:42.130 --> 00:07:44.010
  • EMOTIONAL STUFF.
  • 00:07:44.010 --> 00:07:45.140
  • IT IS HOLY.
  • 00:07:45.140 --> 00:07:47.010
  • I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT
  • 00:07:47.010 --> 00:07:48.190
  • FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE.
  • 00:07:48.190 --> 00:07:50.040
  • Sheila: I THINK THAT'S
  • 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.180
  • A POWERFUL STATEMENT:
  • 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:52.240
  • FORGIVENESS ISN'T FAIR,
  • 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:53.280
  • IT IS HOLY.
  • 00:07:53.280 --> 00:07:55.080
  • BUT YOU MAKE ANOTHER
  • 00:07:55.080 --> 00:07:56.150
  • STATEMENT IN THE BOOK
  • 00:07:56.150 --> 00:07:57.210
  • THAT I FOUND PERSONALLY
  • 00:07:57.210 --> 00:07:59.010
  • REALLY HELPFUL.
  • 00:07:59.010 --> 00:08:00.120
  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE FACT
  • 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:01.170
  • THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY
  • 00:08:01.170 --> 00:08:02.230
  • THAT TIME HEALS WOUNDS
  • 00:08:02.230 --> 00:08:04.010
  • BUT IF YOU DON'T DEAL
  • 00:08:04.010 --> 00:08:05.080
  • WITH THE WOUND
  • 00:08:05.080 --> 00:08:06.090
  • AND YOU JUST BURY IT,
  • 00:08:06.090 --> 00:08:07.160
  • YOU BURY IT ALIVE.
  • 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.200
  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
  • 00:08:08.200 --> 00:08:10.000
  • Ruth: IT COMES BACK
  • 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.110
  • IF YOU DON'T DEAL WITH IT.
  • 00:08:11.110 --> 00:08:12.210
  • SHEILA, FORGIVENESS
  • 00:08:12.210 --> 00:08:14.010
  • IS A LIFELONG PROCESS.
  • 00:08:14.010 --> 00:08:15.290
  • WE CAN SAY, "OH I FORGIVE"
  • 00:08:15.290 --> 00:08:17.120
  • BUT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS
  • 00:08:18.210 --> 00:08:20.250
  • EMOTIONS WILL COME
  • 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:22.000
  • ROARING BACK AND WE THINK,
  • 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:23.080
  • WE REALLY
  • 00:08:23.080 --> 00:08:24.140
  • THEN WE BEGIN TO BEAT
  • 00:08:25.210 --> 00:08:26.290
  • OURSELVES UP AGAIN.
  • 00:08:26.290 --> 00:08:28.040
  • BUT YOU KNOW,
  • 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:29.120
  • EMOTIONS NEVER TELL THE TRUTH.
  • 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.240
  • Sheila: OH THAT'S TRUE.
  • 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.050
  • THEY DON'T HAVE A BRAIN.
  • 00:08:32.050 --> 00:08:33.100
  • Ruth: THAT'S RIGHT!
  • 00:08:33.100 --> 00:08:34.150
  • SO THEY JUST ARE.
  • 00:08:34.150 --> 00:08:35.200
  • SO WE HAVE TO GET RID
  • 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:36.290
  • OF THE EMOTIONS.
  • 00:08:36.290 --> 00:08:38.030
  • WE CAN FEEL THEM BUT WE DON'T
  • 00:08:38.030 --> 00:08:39.100
  • HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM.
  • 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:40.130
  • I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT
  • 00:08:40.130 --> 00:08:41.180
  • TO KNOW THAT.
  • 00:08:41.180 --> 00:08:42.220
  • BUT FORGIVENESS
  • 00:08:42.220 --> 00:08:43.260
  • IS A LIFELONG PROCESS
  • 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:45.010
  • THAT TAKES TIME.
  • 00:08:45.010 --> 00:08:46.070
  • I HAVE WORKED
  • 00:08:46.070 --> 00:08:48.080
  • THROUGH FORGIVENESS
  • 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:49.170
  • ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS,
  • 00:08:49.170 --> 00:08:51.060
  • SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS
  • 00:08:51.060 --> 00:08:52.180
  • AND FOUND THAT
  • 00:08:52.180 --> 00:08:53.250
  • WHEN WE FORGIVE
  • 00:08:54.160 --> 00:08:57.160
  • THAT'S THE DOORWAY
  • 00:08:57.160 --> 00:08:59.000
  • BY WHICH THE HOLY SPIRIT
  • 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:00.090
  • CAN ENTER THAT DECISION
  • 00:09:00.090 --> 00:09:01.180
  • AND ENABLE US
  • 00:09:01.180 --> 00:09:02.230
  • TO TRULY FORGIVE.
  • 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:03.280
  • IT IS NOT GOING
  • 00:09:03.280 --> 00:09:05.070
  • TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT,
  • 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:06.190
  • IT MAY TAKE A LIFETIME
  • 00:09:06.190 --> 00:09:07.270
  • BUT IT WILL HAPPEN.
  • 00:09:07.270 --> 00:09:09.160
  • Sheila: HOW CAN YOU TELL
  • 00:09:09.160 --> 00:09:10.280
  • WHEN YOU HAVE ACTUALLY
  • 00:09:10.280 --> 00:09:12.110
  • FORGIVEN SOMEONE?
  • 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:13.120
  • ARE THERE KIND OF
  • 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:14.180
  • INTERNAL SIGNALS
  • 00:09:14.180 --> 00:09:15.240
  • THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.020
  • YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FORGIVEN?
  • 00:09:17.020 --> 00:09:18.060
  • Ruth: WELL, IT'S MAYBE EASIER
  • 00:09:18.060 --> 00:09:19.140
  • FOR ME TO TELL YOU
  • 00:09:19.140 --> 00:09:20.180
  • HOW WE CAN TELL
  • 00:09:20.180 --> 00:09:21.270
  • IF WE HAVEN'T FORGIVEN.
  • 00:09:21.270 --> 00:09:23.010
  • WHEN WE SEE THE PERSON
  • 00:09:23.010 --> 00:09:24.040
  • WHO HAS WRONGED US
  • 00:09:24.040 --> 00:09:25.040
  • AND THAT'S THE FIRST THING
  • 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:26.080
  • WE THINK OF.
  • 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:27.110
  • OR WHEN THEIR NAME COMES UP
  • 00:09:27.110 --> 00:09:28.180
  • WE WANT TO TELL PEOPLE
  • 00:09:28.180 --> 00:09:29.210
  • WHAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:09:29.210 --> 00:09:30.270
  • WHERE WE CAN'T GET RID
  • 00:09:30.270 --> 00:09:32.060
  • OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US.
  • 00:09:32.060 --> 00:09:33.090
  • THAT'S A SIGN
  • 00:09:33.090 --> 00:09:34.140
  • THAT WE HAVEN'T FORGIVEN.
  • 00:09:34.140 --> 00:09:35.160
  • I THINK WHEN WE HAVE FORGIVEN
  • 00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:36.190
  • THEN WE'RE ABLE
  • 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:37.250
  • TO BE AROUND THAT PERSON,
  • 00:09:37.250 --> 00:09:38.260
  • WE'RE ABLE TO TALK
  • 00:09:38.260 --> 00:09:40.000
  • WITH THAT PERSON,
  • 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.010
  • WE'RE ABLE TO BLESS
  • 00:09:41.010 --> 00:09:42.040
  • THOSE PEOPLE,
  • 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:43.090
  • PRAY A BLESSING ON THEM.
  • 00:09:43.090 --> 00:09:44.120
  • AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE
  • 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:45.160
  • TO DO THOSE THINGS
  • 00:09:45.160 --> 00:09:46.190
  • THEN WE NEED TO GO BACK
  • 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:47.200
  • TO THE CROSS
  • 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:48.270
  • AND SAY, OKAY, JESUS.
  • 00:09:48.270 --> 00:09:50.020
  • Sheila: THAT PART
  • 00:09:50.020 --> 00:09:51.060
  • OF YOUR BOOK, HONESTLY,
  • 00:09:51.060 --> 00:09:52.080
  • THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS
  • 00:09:53.150 --> 00:09:54.240
  • ON FORGIVENESS I'VE EVER READ.
  • 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:55.290
  • BUT THAT REALLY GOT TO ME
  • 00:09:55.290 --> 00:09:57.050
  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT OF A PERSON
  • 00:09:57.050 --> 00:09:58.090
  • WHO REALLY WRONGED ME
  • 00:09:58.090 --> 00:09:59.160
  • AND WHEN I BEGAN
  • 00:10:00.230 --> 00:10:01.240
  • THE PROCESS OF FORGIVENESS
  • 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:02.270
  • I WOULD SAY,
  • 00:10:02.270 --> 00:10:04.030
  • "LORD, I FORGIVE THEM,
  • 00:10:04.030 --> 00:10:05.050
  • BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T MEAN IT."
  • 00:10:05.050 --> 00:10:06.120
  • Ruth: PRAYING
  • 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:07.160
  • THROUGH CLINCHED TEETH.
  • 00:10:07.160 --> 00:10:08.200
  • Sheila: ABSOLUTELY!
  • 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:09.230
  • BUT YOU'RE RIGHT,
  • 00:10:09.230 --> 00:10:10.260
  • IT IS A PROCESS.
  • 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:11.280
  • AND TO ME, IT IS MORE ABOUT
  • 00:10:11.280 --> 00:10:13.000
  • FAITHFULNESS THAN EMOTION.
  • 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.070
  • YOU GIVE
  • 00:10:14.070 --> 00:10:15.120
  • A FEW REALLY HELPFUL THINGS
  • 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:16.200
  • ON WHAT FORGIVENESS IS NOT.
  • 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:17.280
  • AND I'LL LET YOU PICK UP
  • 00:10:17.280 --> 00:10:19.050
  • WHICHEVER ONE
  • 00:10:19.050 --> 00:10:20.080
  • YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
  • 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:21.150
  • YOU SAY, "IT'S NOT NATURAL.
  • 00:10:21.150 --> 00:10:22.220
  • IT'S NOT EASY.
  • 00:10:22.220 --> 00:10:24.030
  • AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY,
  • 00:10:24.030 --> 00:10:25.140
  • IT'S NOT FORGETTING
  • 00:10:25.140 --> 00:10:26.210
  • WHAT HAPPENED."
  • 00:10:26.210 --> 00:10:27.270
  • Ruth: WE DON'T FORGET
  • 00:10:27.270 --> 00:10:29.060
  • WHAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:10:29.060 --> 00:10:30.180
  • MY HUSBAND WAS UNFAITHFUL
  • 00:10:30.180 --> 00:10:31.240
  • FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
  • 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.020
  • AND OUR MARRIAGE ENDED
  • 00:10:33.020 --> 00:10:34.090
  • IN DIVORCE.
  • 00:10:34.090 --> 00:10:35.240
  • I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THAT.
  • 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.210
  • TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST
  • 00:10:38.210 --> 00:10:40.000
  • WITH YOU, I WAS VERY BITTER
  • 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:41.080
  • AND VERY ANGRY.
  • 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.170
  • AND IT WASN'T UNTIL
  • 00:10:42.170 --> 00:10:43.280
  • AFTER HIS DEATH
  • 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:45.060
  • THAT SOMETHING ELSE
  • 00:10:45.060 --> 00:10:46.140
  • HAPPENED TO ME WRONG
  • 00:10:46.140 --> 00:10:47.210
  • AND I WAS WEEPING
  • 00:10:47.210 --> 00:10:48.290
  • AND ASKING THE LORD
  • 00:10:48.290 --> 00:10:50.070
  • TO FORGIVE ME.
  • 00:10:50.070 --> 00:10:51.160
  • I SAID, "LORD,
  • 00:10:51.160 --> 00:10:52.240
  • PLEASE GO BACK TO TED
  • 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:53.280
  • AND TELL HIM
  • 00:10:53.280 --> 00:10:55.080
  • THAT I ASK HIS FORGIVENESS."
  • 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.130
  • AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT
  • 00:10:56.130 --> 00:10:57.210
  • THEOLOGICALLY RIGHT.
  • 00:10:57.210 --> 00:10:59.050
  • Sheila: OH, I DON'T KNOW,
  • 00:10:59.050 --> 00:11:00.180
  • I LIKE THAT.
  • 00:11:00.180 --> 00:11:01.230
  • Ruth: BUT I THOUGHT,
  • 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:02.270
  • GOD CAN HANDLE THAT.
  • 00:11:02.270 --> 00:11:04.010
  • AND I HAD TO LEAVE IT THERE.
  • 00:11:04.010 --> 00:11:05.070
  • SO I'M TRUSTING
  • 00:11:05.070 --> 00:11:06.100
  • THAT THE LORD DID TELL TED
  • 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:07.140
  • THAT I WAS VERY, VERY SORRY
  • 00:11:07.140 --> 00:11:08.230
  • AND ASK HIS FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:11:08.230 --> 00:11:10.050
  • Sheila: ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:11:10.050 --> 00:11:11.150
  • I FOUND FASCINATING,
  • 00:11:11.150 --> 00:11:12.250
  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE
  • 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:14.060
  • BETWEEN FORGIVENESS
  • 00:11:14.060 --> 00:11:15.160
  • AND RECONCILIATION
  • 00:11:15.160 --> 00:11:17.190
  • BECAUSE FORGIVENESS
  • 00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:19.020
  • IS TO DO WITH THE ONE
  • 00:11:19.020 --> 00:11:20.070
  • WHO WAS OFFENDED AGAINST
  • 00:11:20.070 --> 00:11:21.130
  • BUT RECONCILIATION,
  • 00:11:21.130 --> 00:11:22.240
  • WHAT IS THAT ABOUT?
  • 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.020
  • THAT DEMANDS A CHANGE
  • 00:11:24.020 --> 00:11:25.120
  • IN THE OFFENDER.
  • 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:26.170
  • Ruth: YES,
  • 00:11:26.170 --> 00:11:27.270
  • FORGIVENESS IS UNCONDITIONAL.
  • 00:11:27.270 --> 00:11:29.060
  • RECONCILIATION IS CONDITIONED
  • 00:11:29.060 --> 00:11:30.140
  • ON THE CHANGED BEHAVIOR
  • 00:11:30.140 --> 00:11:31.210
  • OF THE ONE
  • 00:11:31.210 --> 00:11:32.270
  • WHO HAS DONE THE WOUNDING.
  • 00:11:32.270 --> 00:11:34.060
  • AND IF YOU'RE THE ONE WOUNDED,
  • 00:11:34.060 --> 00:11:35.170
  • YOU'RE THE ONE
  • 00:11:35.170 --> 00:11:36.200
  • THAT KNOWS THE CHANGE.
  • 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:37.270
  • YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEONE,
  • 00:11:37.270 --> 00:11:39.050
  • "OH HE'S CHANGED.
  • 00:11:39.050 --> 00:11:40.060
  • OH HE'S CHANGED."
  • 00:11:40.060 --> 00:11:41.070
  • OR HE CAN'T COME AND SAY,
  • 00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:42.100
  • "OH HE'S CHANGED.
  • 00:11:42.100 --> 00:11:43.130
  • YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW THAT
  • 00:11:43.130 --> 00:11:44.200
  • AND SENSE THAT IN YOUR BONES.
  • 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:45.290
  • AND WITH COUNSELING,
  • 00:11:45.290 --> 00:11:47.040
  • WITH A PASTOR'S HELP,
  • 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:48.040
  • THEN IF YOU WANT
  • 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:49.120
  • TO TRY TO RECONCILE
  • 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:50.180
  • TAKE IT VERY SLOWLY
  • 00:11:50.180 --> 00:11:51.250
  • AND VERY CAREFULLY.
  • 00:11:51.290 --> 00:11:54.290
  • Sheila: I'LL BE HONEST,
  • 00:11:54.290 --> 00:11:56.080
  • I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED
  • 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.260
  • WHEN I OPENED THE BOOK
  • 00:11:57.260 --> 00:11:59.050
  • TO CHAPTER FOUR
  • 00:11:59.050 --> 00:12:00.100
  • AND BEGAN TO READ.
  • 00:12:00.100 --> 00:12:01.120
  • AND THERE I WAS
  • 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.230
  • IN ALL MY GLORY!
  • 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:04.060
  • I MEAN I'D LOVE YOU TO TALK
  • 00:12:04.060 --> 00:12:05.250
  • A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:07.020
  • BUT HONESTLY, IT MADE ME
  • 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:08.110
  • KIND OF HEARTBROKEN FOR YOU.
  • 00:12:08.220 --> 00:12:11.220
  • AND YOU DON'T PRESENT IT
  • 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:13.020
  • IN A WAY BUT IT JUST --
  • 00:12:13.020 --> 00:12:15.260
  • TELL ME WHAT THAT
  • 00:12:15.260 --> 00:12:17.100
  • WAS ALL ABOUT.
  • 00:12:17.100 --> 00:12:18.240
  • Ruth: WELL,
  • 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.000
  • IT WAS INTERESTING
  • 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:21.050
  • BECAUSE WHEN I GOT THE BOOK
  • 00:12:21.050 --> 00:12:22.100
  • AND I STARTED READING IT
  • 00:12:22.100 --> 00:12:23.130
  • I DID NOT REALIZE...
  • 00:12:23.130 --> 00:12:24.210
  • JAMES AND BETTY SENT TO YOU.
  • 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.100
  • Ruth: YES. AND I HAD NO IDEA
  • 00:12:27.100 --> 00:12:28.180
  • THAT THAT WOUND WAS THERE.
  • 00:12:28.180 --> 00:12:29.290
  • I BEGAN READING
  • 00:12:29.290 --> 00:12:31.040
  • AND I BEGAN TO CRY.
  • 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:32.100
  • WHAT IS THIS ABOUT?
  • 00:12:33.170 --> 00:12:34.270
  • AND I WAS SO EMOTIONAL
  • 00:12:34.270 --> 00:12:36.020
  • THAT IT TOOK ME WEEKS
  • 00:12:36.020 --> 00:12:37.100
  • TO WRITE YOU A NOTE.
  • 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:38.220
  • BUT MOTHER
  • 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:40.060
  • TREATED YOU SO WELL
  • 00:12:40.060 --> 00:12:41.160
  • AND WAS SO GRACIOUS
  • 00:12:41.160 --> 00:12:42.180
  • AND SO LOVING.
  • 00:12:42.180 --> 00:12:43.260
  • AND SHE LOVED YOU --
  • 00:12:43.260 --> 00:12:45.020
  • UNTIL THE DAY SHE DIED
  • 00:12:45.020 --> 00:12:46.100
  • SHE LOVED YOU.
  • 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:47.250
  • AND I FELT LIKE
  • 00:12:47.250 --> 00:12:49.110
  • SHE LOVED BROKEN PEOPLE
  • 00:12:49.110 --> 00:12:51.060
  • BUT SHE DIDN'T WANT
  • 00:12:51.060 --> 00:12:52.150
  • A BROKEN DAUGHTER
  • 00:12:52.150 --> 00:12:53.200
  • AND SHE CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT
  • 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:54.260
  • HER BROKEN DAUGHTER
  • 00:12:54.260 --> 00:12:56.050
  • TALKING ABOUT IT.
  • 00:12:56.050 --> 00:12:57.160
  • SHE WANTED IT ALL COVERED UP.
  • 00:12:57.160 --> 00:12:59.240
  • IT REALLY WAS HARD.
  • 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.130
  • IT IS VERY HARD.
  • 00:13:01.130 --> 00:13:02.180
  • I THOUGHT, WELL,
  • 00:13:02.180 --> 00:13:03.230
  • SHE GAVE THAT TO SHEILA,
  • 00:13:03.230 --> 00:13:04.280
  • WHY COULDN'T SHE
  • 00:13:04.280 --> 00:13:06.020
  • GIVE THAT TO ME?
  • 00:13:06.020 --> 00:13:07.060
  • AND SHE HAD DIED SINCE THEN.
  • 00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:08.090
  • TO TALK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:13:09.180 --> 00:13:10.220
  • BUT I KNOW MOTHER LOVED ME,
  • 00:13:10.220 --> 00:13:11.260
  • SHE JUST DID NOT KNOW
  • 00:13:11.260 --> 00:13:13.010
  • HOW TO RELATE TO ME.
  • 00:13:13.010 --> 00:13:14.050
  • Sheila: DO YOU THINK
  • 00:13:14.050 --> 00:13:15.090
  • SOME OF THAT
  • 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:16.110
  • OR A PERSONALITY THING?
  • 00:13:17.160 --> 00:13:18.190
  • Ruth: I THINK BOTH.
  • 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:19.260
  • I THINK MOTHER WAS VERY GOOD
  • 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:21.040
  • AT RELATING TO YOUNG PEOPLE
  • 00:13:21.040 --> 00:13:22.100
  • BUT I THINK
  • 00:13:22.100 --> 00:13:23.270
  • IT WAS A PERSONALITY.
  • 00:13:23.270 --> 00:13:25.210
  • SHE AND I --
  • 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:27.010
  • THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING
  • 00:13:27.010 --> 00:13:28.120
  • TO SAY, I WAS VERY MUCH
  • 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.240
  • LIKE MY FATHER AND MAYBE
  • 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.010
  • THAT DROVE HER CRAZY,
  • 00:13:31.010 --> 00:13:32.090
  • I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:13:32.090 --> 00:13:33.150
  • [Laughter]
  • 00:13:33.150 --> 00:13:34.270
  • AND I WAS MORE HONEST.
  • 00:13:34.270 --> 00:13:36.030
  • SHE USED TO SAY,
  • 00:13:36.030 --> 00:13:37.080
  • "EVEN A CAT KNOWS SOME THINGS
  • 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.150
  • NEED TO BE COVERED."
  • 00:13:38.150 --> 00:13:39.210
  • [Laughter]
  • 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:41.110
  • SO I THOUGHT, WELL,
  • 00:13:41.110 --> 00:13:43.160
  • BUT I HAVE FOUND, SHEILA,
  • 00:13:43.160 --> 00:13:45.000
  • WHEN I'VE TOLD MY STUFF,
  • 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.190
  • NOW I'M NOT TELLING
  • 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:47.280
  • MY SIBLINGS' STUFF
  • 00:13:47.280 --> 00:13:49.010
  • AND I'M NOT TELLING
  • 00:13:49.010 --> 00:13:50.040
  • MY MOTHER'S
  • 00:13:50.040 --> 00:13:51.050
  • OR MY FATHER'S STUFF --
  • 00:13:51.050 --> 00:13:52.100
  • I'M TELLING MY STUFF.
  • 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:53.130
  • THIS IS NOT A TELL-ALL BOOK.
  • 00:13:53.130 --> 00:13:54.190
  • BUT I FIND
  • 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:55.290
  • THAT WHEN I TELL MY STUFF
  • 00:13:55.290 --> 00:13:57.040
  • AND I MAKE MYSELF VULNERABLE,
  • 00:13:57.040 --> 00:13:58.110
  • THAT'S WHEN MINISTRY
  • 00:13:58.110 --> 00:13:59.170
  • TAKES PLACE.
  • 00:13:59.170 --> 00:14:00.250
  • Sheila: YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:02.070
  • MAKING WOUNDS SACRED
  • 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:04.000
  • WHICH I LOVE THAT.
  • 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.090
  • I HAVE A CHAPTER
  • 00:14:05.090 --> 00:14:06.130
  • IN A DIFFERENT BOOK
  • 00:14:06.130 --> 00:14:07.170
  • ON CELEBRATING YOUR SCARS
  • 00:14:07.170 --> 00:14:09.060
  • AS TATTOOS OF TRIUMPH.
  • 00:14:09.060 --> 00:14:10.260
  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN
  • 00:14:10.260 --> 00:14:12.090
  • BY MAKING YOUR WOUNDS SACRED?
  • 00:14:12.090 --> 00:14:14.140
  • Ruth: WHEN WE GIVE THEM TO GOD
  • 00:14:14.140 --> 00:14:16.030
  • AND WE SAY, GOD,
  • 00:14:16.030 --> 00:14:17.170
  • I DON'T LIKE THIS.
  • 00:14:17.170 --> 00:14:18.250
  • I'M HURTING LIKE MAD.
  • 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:20.120
  • I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.050
  • HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE
  • 00:14:22.050 --> 00:14:23.100
  • ANYTHING OUT OF THIS.
  • 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.190
  • BUT I GIVE IT TO YOU
  • 00:14:24.190 --> 00:14:25.280
  • TO USE FOR YOUR GLORY.
  • 00:14:25.280 --> 00:14:27.100
  • I REMEMBER
  • 00:14:27.100 --> 00:14:28.190
  • AFTER MY DIVORCE FROM TED
  • 00:14:28.190 --> 00:14:30.000
  • I WAS SO WOUNDED AND SO HURT
  • 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.110
  • AND I WAS ACTING OUT
  • 00:14:32.110 --> 00:14:34.120
  • AND EVERYTHING WAS A MESS.
  • 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:35.280
  • AND I HAD A REBOUND MARRIAGE
  • 00:14:35.280 --> 00:14:37.080
  • THAT WAS JUST A MESS.
  • 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.070
  • I REMEMBER SAYING TO GOD,
  • 00:14:39.070 --> 00:14:41.060
  • IF YOU CAN EVER USE THIS MESS
  • 00:14:41.060 --> 00:14:42.210
  • FOR YOUR GLORY
  • 00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:44.010
  • YOU ARE WELCOME TO IT.
  • 00:14:44.010 --> 00:14:45.110
  • NEVER DREAMING HE WOULD --
  • 00:14:45.110 --> 00:14:47.020
  • NEVER DREAMING HE WOULD.
  • 00:14:47.020 --> 00:14:48.150
  • BUT HE HAS.
  • 00:14:48.150 --> 00:14:50.100
  • AFTER I WROTE
  • 00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:51.170
  • IN EVERY PEW
  • 00:14:51.170 --> 00:14:53.000
  • SITS A BROKEN HEART
  • 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.130
  • IT HAD SUCH AN IMPACT
  • 00:14:54.130 --> 00:14:56.030
  • AND PEOPLE RELATED TO ME
  • 00:14:56.030 --> 00:14:58.290
  • IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
  • 00:14:58.290 --> 00:15:00.210
  • I'M VERY GRATEFUL.
  • 00:15:00.210 --> 00:15:01.270
  • GOD'S CALLED ME
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:03.080
  • TO BE VULNERABLE
  • 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:04.160
  • AND I HAVE NOT --
  • 00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:05.220
  • PEOPLE HAVE NOT ALWAYS
  • 00:15:05.220 --> 00:15:06.260
  • LIKED IT.
  • 00:15:06.260 --> 00:15:08.040
  • Sheila: NO. I TOTALLY,
  • 00:15:08.040 --> 00:15:09.100
  • HONESTLY RELATE TO THAT.
  • 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:10.210
  • WHEN I WENT BACK ON
  • 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:11.290
  • THE 700 CLUB AFTER SPENDING
  • 00:15:11.290 --> 00:15:13.010
  • A MONTH IN A PSYCH HOSPITAL,
  • 00:15:13.010 --> 00:15:14.020
  • AND I BASICALLY WENT ON
  • 00:15:14.020 --> 00:15:15.040
  • TO SAY GOOD-BYE.
  • 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:16.090
  • AND THEY SAID,
  • 00:15:16.090 --> 00:15:17.110
  • "DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHERE..."
  • 00:15:17.110 --> 00:15:18.130
  • NOW THIS WAS NOT PAT.
  • 00:15:18.130 --> 00:15:19.150
  • PAT WAS REALLY KIND TO ME.
  • 00:15:19.150 --> 00:15:20.170
  • BUT THE PRODUCERS SAID,
  • 00:15:20.170 --> 00:15:21.190
  • "DON'T TELL PEOPLE
  • 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:22.210
  • WHERE YOU WERE OR THEY'LL
  • 00:15:22.210 --> 00:15:23.230
  • NEVER TRUST YOU AGAIN."
  • 00:15:23.230 --> 00:15:24.260
  • WHEN I SAID,
  • 00:15:24.260 --> 00:15:25.290
  • "I WANT TO SHARE ABOUT THIS."
  • 00:15:25.290 --> 00:15:27.040
  • THEY SAID,
  • 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:28.070
  • "WELL, IT'S YOUR FUNERAL."
  • 00:15:28.070 --> 00:15:29.140
  • BUT IN THAT WEEK,
  • 00:15:29.140 --> 00:15:30.180
  • TEN DAYS AFTER,
  • 00:15:30.180 --> 00:15:31.220
  • I HAD OVER 5.000 LETTERS
  • 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:32.280
  • FROM PEOPLE SAYING,
  • 00:15:32.280 --> 00:15:34.020
  • "I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY
  • 00:15:34.020 --> 00:15:35.070
  • TELL MY STORY BEFORE."
  • 00:15:35.070 --> 00:15:36.120
  • BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
  • 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:37.180
  • Ruth: THAT'S RIGHT!
  • 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:40.000
  • THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER
  • 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:41.040
  • HITS THE ROAD.
  • 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:42.110
  • WE WANT COMPANY
  • 00:15:42.110 --> 00:15:43.170
  • ALONG THE JOURNEY.
  • 00:15:43.170 --> 00:15:44.260
  • THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED
  • 00:15:46.060 --> 00:15:47.170
  • THE SAME THING
  • 00:15:47.170 --> 00:15:48.220
  • AND THEY'VE WALKED
  • 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.000
  • THIS JOURNEY WITH US.
  • 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.040
  • AND THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:52.110
  • I WANTED TO DO IN THIS BOOK.
  • 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:53.220
  • I WANTED PEOPLE
  • 00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:54.290
  • TO SEE THE JOURNEY
  • 00:15:54.290 --> 00:15:56.020
  • THAT I WENT THROUGH.
  • 00:15:56.020 --> 00:15:57.070
  • AND WHAT WAS RIGHT,
  • 00:15:57.070 --> 00:15:58.090
  • WHAT WAS WRONG,
  • 00:15:58.090 --> 00:15:59.110
  • WHAT WAS UGLY,
  • 00:15:59.110 --> 00:16:00.150
  • WHAT WAS MESSY,
  • 00:16:00.150 --> 00:16:01.170
  • AND WHAT WAS BIBLICAL
  • 00:16:01.170 --> 00:16:02.190
  • AND WHAT WASN'T BIBLICAL.
  • 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:03.210
  • AND I WANTED TO SAY,
  • 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:04.250
  • ALL RIGHT, COME ALONG WITH ME.
  • 00:16:04.250 --> 00:16:06.010
  • Sheila: I LOVED WHEN I GOT
  • 00:16:06.010 --> 00:16:07.050
  • TO THE PART WHERE YOU TALKED
  • 00:16:07.050 --> 00:16:08.090
  • ABOUT YOUR DAD'S FUNERAL
  • 00:16:08.090 --> 00:16:09.140
  • BECAUSE I WAS THERE THAT DAY.
  • 00:16:09.140 --> 00:16:10.180
  • I WAS SO BLOWN AWAY
  • 00:16:10.180 --> 00:16:13.020
  • BY WHAT YOU SHARED
  • 00:16:13.020 --> 00:16:14.160
  • AT YOUR DAD'S FUNERAL.
  • 00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:15.250
  • WOULD YOU TELL US THAT STORY
  • 00:16:15.250 --> 00:16:17.090
  • AND WHAT THAT MUST
  • 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:18.130
  • HAVE FELT LIKE THAT DAY
  • 00:16:18.130 --> 00:16:19.220
  • AS YOU WERE DRIVING
  • 00:16:19.220 --> 00:16:21.010
  • BACK TO MONTREAT.
  • 00:16:21.010 --> 00:16:22.120
  • Ruth: WELL,
  • 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:23.220
  • I WAS DRIVING HOME.
  • 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:24.260
  • I HAD ENTERED
  • 00:16:24.260 --> 00:16:25.280
  • A REBOUND MARRIAGE,
  • 00:16:25.280 --> 00:16:27.050
  • ILL-ADVISEDLY AGAINST
  • 00:16:27.050 --> 00:16:28.260
  • MY PARENT'S SUGGESTIONS
  • 00:16:28.260 --> 00:16:31.020
  • AND COUNSEL.
  • 00:16:31.020 --> 00:16:32.230
  • MY MOTHER CALLED ME
  • 00:16:32.230 --> 00:16:33.280
  • FROM SEATTLE,
  • 00:16:33.280 --> 00:16:35.070
  • MY FATHER CALLED ME
  • 00:16:35.070 --> 00:16:36.090
  • FROM TOKYO AND SAID,
  • 00:16:36.090 --> 00:16:37.110
  • "WHY DON'T YOU WAIT?
  • 00:16:37.110 --> 00:16:38.140
  • LET'S GET TO KNOW
  • 00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:39.200
  • THIS MAN BETTER."
  • 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:40.240
  • BUT I WAS SO HURTING
  • 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:41.260
  • AND I WANTED SOMEONE
  • 00:16:41.260 --> 00:16:43.000
  • TO TAKE CARE OF ME.
  • 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.020
  • I REALLY WANTED SOMEBODY
  • 00:16:44.020 --> 00:16:45.080
  • TO TAKE CARE OF ME
  • 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:46.140
  • AND TO MAKE THE PAIN GO AWAY.
  • 00:16:46.140 --> 00:16:47.180
  • SO I ENTERED
  • 00:16:47.180 --> 00:16:48.280
  • INTO THIS SECOND MARRIAGE
  • 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:50.040
  • AND WITHIN 24 HOURS
  • 00:16:50.040 --> 00:16:51.090
  • I KNEW I WAS IN BIG TROUBLE.
  • 00:16:51.090 --> 00:16:52.180
  • I STUCK AROUND
  • 00:16:52.180 --> 00:16:53.260
  • FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN
  • 00:16:53.260 --> 00:16:55.000
  • I BECAME AFRAID OF HIM.
  • 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:56.050
  • AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:16:56.050 --> 00:16:57.110
  • NO, I'M NOT GOING
  • 00:16:57.110 --> 00:16:58.160
  • TO STICK AROUND FOR THIS.
  • 00:16:58.160 --> 00:16:59.210
  • SO I LEFT.
  • 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:00.290
  • I KNEW I HAD TO GO TALK
  • 00:17:00.290 --> 00:17:02.040
  • TO MY PARENTS.
  • 00:17:02.040 --> 00:17:03.080
  • IT WAS A TWO DAY DRIVE
  • 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:04.090
  • AND FEARS MULTIPLIED
  • 00:17:04.090 --> 00:17:05.130
  • WITH EVERY MILE.
  • 00:17:05.130 --> 00:17:06.150
  • WHAT WAS MY LIFE
  • 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:07.190
  • GOING TO BE LIKE?
  • 00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:08.190
  • WHAT WAS I GOING
  • 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:09.230
  • TO SAY TO THEM?
  • 00:17:09.230 --> 00:17:10.260
  • WHAT WERE THEY GOING
  • 00:17:10.260 --> 00:17:12.000
  • TO SAY TO ME?
  • 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.050
  • I DIDN'T KNOW
  • 00:17:13.050 --> 00:17:14.080
  • WHAT MY FUTURE LIFE
  • 00:17:14.080 --> 00:17:15.090
  • WAS GOING TO BE.
  • 00:17:15.090 --> 00:17:16.100
  • AT THAT POINT, I WAS WILLING
  • 00:17:16.100 --> 00:17:17.110
  • TO WORK AT MCDONALD'S
  • 00:17:17.110 --> 00:17:18.120
  • AND SMELL LIKE FRENCH FRIES
  • 00:17:18.120 --> 00:17:19.130
  • FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
  • 00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:20.140
  • Sheila: BEEN THERE!
  • 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:21.150
  • Ruth: AND SO WHEN I ROUND UP,
  • 00:17:21.150 --> 00:17:22.220
  • YOU'VE BEEN UP TO THE HOUSE
  • 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:23.230
  • AND IT IS UP
  • 00:17:23.230 --> 00:17:24.240
  • ON A MOUNTAIN SIDE.
  • 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:25.250
  • AND I ROUND THE LAST DRIVEWAY,
  • 00:17:25.250 --> 00:17:26.260
  • LAST BEND IN THE DRIVEWAY,
  • 00:17:26.260 --> 00:17:27.270
  • MY FATHER WAS STANDING THERE
  • 00:17:27.270 --> 00:17:29.040
  • WAITING FOR ME.
  • 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:30.070
  • AND WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE CAR
  • 00:17:30.070 --> 00:17:31.090
  • HE WRAPPED HIS ARMS AROUND ME
  • 00:17:31.090 --> 00:17:32.120
  • AND HE SAID, "WELCOME HOME."
  • 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:33.230
  • THERE WAS NEVER
  • 00:17:33.230 --> 00:17:35.040
  • THERE WAS NEVER
  • 00:17:36.100 --> 00:17:37.140
  • ANY BLAME OR SHAME.
  • 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:39.230
  • MY FATHER
  • 00:17:39.230 --> 00:17:41.090
  • WAS AN INCREDIBLY FORGIVING,
  • 00:17:41.090 --> 00:17:42.220
  • I TOLD THAT STORY
  • 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.020
  • AT THE FUNERAL.
  • 00:17:45.020 --> 00:17:46.040
  • I DIDN'T WANT TO.
  • 00:17:46.040 --> 00:17:47.100
  • I TOLD THE LORD, I DON'T
  • 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:48.130
  • WANT TO TELL THIS STORY.
  • 00:17:48.130 --> 00:17:49.200
  • I'M TIRED OF TELLING IT.
  • 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.000
  • BUT THE LORD SAID
  • 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:52.080
  • AS CLEAR AS A BELL TO ME,
  • 00:17:52.080 --> 00:17:53.260
  • "I GAVE YOU YOUR STORY
  • 00:17:53.260 --> 00:17:55.060
  • FOR MY GLORY.
  • 00:17:55.060 --> 00:17:56.250
  • AND I WANT YOU
  • 00:17:56.250 --> 00:17:58.060
  • TO TELL THE STORY."
  • 00:17:58.060 --> 00:17:59.080
  • SO I DID.
  • 00:17:59.080 --> 00:18:00.110
  • Sheila: AND THE WORLD'S PRESS
  • 00:18:00.110 --> 00:18:01.200
  • WAS THERE THAT DAY.
  • 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:02.240
  • I REMEMBER JUST SEEING
  • 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.070
  • THE BANKS OF... BUT HONESTLY,
  • 00:18:04.070 --> 00:18:05.150
  • FOR ME PERSONALLY,
  • 00:18:05.150 --> 00:18:06.240
  • IT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL PART
  • 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.040
  • OF THE WHOLE TRIBUTE
  • 00:18:08.040 --> 00:18:09.120
  • TO YOUR DAD.
  • 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:10.260
  • Ruth: WHAT IT SHOWED
  • 00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:12.020
  • WHAT MY FATHER WAS LIKE,
  • 00:18:12.020 --> 00:18:13.090
  • THAT WAS HIS ESSENCE.
  • 00:18:13.090 --> 00:18:14.150
  • Sheila: YEAH,
  • 00:18:14.150 --> 00:18:15.240
  • AND HOW MUCH HE LOVED YOU.
  • 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.010
  • IT IS INTERESTING.
  • 00:18:17.010 --> 00:18:18.070
  • WE STARTED BY TALKING
  • 00:18:18.070 --> 00:18:19.160
  • ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE
  • 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:20.200
  • IN ANGOLA PRISON BUT
  • 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:21.240
  • THERE'S ANOTHER ANGOLA THAT
  • 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.000
  • YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH
  • 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:24.080
  • AS WE ARE HERE AT LIFE TODAY .
  • 00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:25.220
  • YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN ANGOLA
  • 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:26.270
  • WITH MISSION FEEDING WHICH
  • 00:18:26.270 --> 00:18:28.150
  • IS A HUGE PASSION OF OURS.
  • 00:18:28.150 --> 00:18:29.250
  • Ruth: WONDERFUL,
  • 00:18:29.250 --> 00:18:31.020
  • AND TO SEE THOSE CHILDREN
  • 00:18:32.260 --> 00:18:34.190
  • LINE UP WITH THEIR LITTLE
  • 00:18:34.190 --> 00:18:36.110
  • RED DISHES AND STAND IN LINE
  • 00:18:36.110 --> 00:18:38.220
  • IN THE HOT SUN AND THE FLIES,
  • 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:40.220
  • AND STOOD FOR HOURS WAITING
  • 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:43.070
  • FOR THEIR GRUEL REALLY.
  • 00:18:43.070 --> 00:18:45.170
  • REALIZING THAT WAS PROBABLY
  • 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:47.070
  • THE ONLY MEAL
  • 00:18:47.070 --> 00:18:48.160
  • THEY'D GET THAT DAY,
  • 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.000
  • MAYBE THAT WEEK.
  • 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.250
  • WHAT A LIFE LINE THAT IS!
  • 00:18:52.250 --> 00:18:54.190
  • SO IMPORTANT AND SO CRITICAL
  • 00:18:54.190 --> 00:18:56.130
  • TO THOSE CHILDREN.
  • 00:18:56.130 --> 00:18:57.160
  • THEIR LITTLE BELLIES ARE
  • 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:58.240
  • HANGING OUT AND THEIR
  • 00:18:58.240 --> 00:18:59.270
  • BLOND HAIR, AND YOU
  • 00:18:59.270 --> 00:19:01.030
  • DON'T THINK OF AN AFRICAN
  • 00:19:01.030 --> 00:19:02.070
  • WITH BLOND HAIR -- THAT MEANS
  • 00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:03.130
  • THEY'RE MALNOURISHED.
  • 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:04.190
  • THESE CHILDREN DESPERATELY
  • 00:19:04.190 --> 00:19:05.230
  • NEED THAT.
  • 00:19:05.230 --> 00:19:06.280
  • BUT THE GREAT NEWS IS
  • 00:19:06.280 --> 00:19:08.030
  • THIS IS NOT ONE
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  • OF THOSE NATIONAL DISASTERS
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  • WHERE THERE IS LITTLE
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  • WE CAN DO.
  • 00:19:11.150 --> 00:19:12.190
  • WE CAN CHANGE THIS
  • 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:13.230
  • AND THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT
  • 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:14.270
  • THROUGH MISSION FEEDING.
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  • WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER.
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  • NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BUDGET IS,
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  • IF $30 WOULD FEED
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  • THREE CHILDREN
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  • FOR THREE MONTHS.
  • 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:25.060
  • $50 WILL FEED FIVE.
  • 00:19:25.060 --> 00:19:26.170
  • $100 FEEDS TEN!
  • 00:19:26.170 --> 00:19:28.230
  • AND IF YOU'VE BEEN BLESSED,
  • 00:19:28.230 --> 00:19:30.170
  • IF GOD'S BLESSED YOU
  • 00:19:30.170 --> 00:19:32.000
  • WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO DO MORE,
  • 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:33.060
  • $1.000 FEEDS 100 CHILDREN.
  • 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:37.130
  • SO PLEASE,
  • 00:19:37.130 --> 00:19:38.210
  • WOULD YOU GO TO YOUR PHONE?
  • 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:39.270
  • WOULD YOU GIVE
  • 00:19:39.270 --> 00:19:41.060
  • THE BEST GIFT POSSIBLE?
  • 00:19:41.060 --> 00:19:42.130
  • YOU CAN ONLY GIVE
  • 00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:43.200
  • WHAT YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.000
  • BUT IF WE ALL DO THAT,
  • 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:46.080
  • WE WILL CHANGE THE LIVES
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  • OF ENTIRE VILLAGES IN AFRICA.
  • 00:19:47.150 --> 00:19:49.050
  • LET'S FEED THEM
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  • IN JESUS' NAME.
  • 00:19:50.180 --> 00:19:52.060
  • PLEASE CALL!
  • 00:19:52.060 --> 00:19:53.130
  • JUST GIVE THE BEST GIFT
  • 00:19:53.130 --> 00:19:54.280
  • MISSION FEEDING BEGAN WITH A PROMISE
  • 00:19:58.220 --> 00:20:00.260
  • TO BE THERE IN TIMES OF CRISIS
  • 00:20:00.290 --> 00:20:02.290
  • FOR THOUSANDS OF HURTING AND HUNGRY CHILDREN
  • 00:20:03.020 --> 00:20:04.290
  • IN THEIR TIME OF NEED.
  • 00:20:05.020 --> 00:20:06.290
  • NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED YOUR HELP TO SAVE LIVES
  • 00:20:07.020 --> 00:20:09.280
  • BY FEEDING AND CARING FOR CHILDREN
  • 00:20:10.010 --> 00:20:11.280
  • ACROSS THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA.
  • 00:20:12.010 --> 00:20:13.280
  • WITH FOOD RESERVES GONE
  • 00:20:14.010 --> 00:20:15.280
  • AND MANY AREAS EXPERIENCING SEVERE FAMINE,
  • 00:20:16.010 --> 00:20:17.290
  • WE URGENTLY NEED TO REPLENISH OUR SUPPLIES
  • 00:20:18.020 --> 00:20:20.170
  • TO REACH THE 400.000 CHILDREN WHO ARE COUNTING ON US.
  • 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.150
  • YOUR GIFT OF LOVE CAN BE THE MIRACLE ANSWER
  • 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:26.220
  • TO A DESPERATE MOTHER'S PRAYER.
  • 00:20:26.250 --> 00:20:29.070
  • CALL NOW WITH YOUR LIFESAVING GIFT
  • 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:31.070
  • OF $30, $50 OR $100
  • 00:20:31.100 --> 00:20:33.160
  • THAT WILL HELP FEED AND CARE FOR THREE, FIVE OR TEN CHILDREN
  • 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:36.280
  • FOR THREE FULL MONTHS.
  • 00:20:37.010 --> 00:20:39.060
  • WITH YOUR GIFT, WE'LL SEND YOU
  • 00:20:39.090 --> 00:20:41.060
  • THE "ALTARED" WORSHIP CD BY ANTHONY EVANS.
  • 00:20:41.090 --> 00:20:43.100
  • THIS POWERFUL FULL-LENGTH ALBUM
  • 00:20:43.130 --> 00:20:45.100
  • INCLUDES UNIQUE VERSIONS
  • 00:20:45.130 --> 00:20:47.100
  • OF SOME OF TODAY'S MOST CHERISHED WORSHIP SONGS
  • 00:20:47.130 --> 00:20:49.120
  • THAT ARE SURE TO UPLIFT AND INSPIRE YOU.
  • 00:20:49.150 --> 00:20:52.070
  • WITH YOUR GIFT OF $100 OR MORE PLEASE REQUEST
  • 00:20:52.100 --> 00:20:54.090
  • THE "FILLED WITH FAITH" AND "...JOY TRAVEL MUG SET.
  • 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:58.020
  • THESE 12-OUNCE MUGS ARE CRAFTED WITH LARGE HANDLES,
  • 00:20:58.050 --> 00:21:00.160
  • DOUBLE-LAYERED INSULATION
  • 00:21:00.190 --> 00:21:02.160
  • AND VACUUM SEALED LIDS TO PREVENT SPILLS.
  • 00:21:02.190 --> 00:21:04.220
  • EACH MUG INCLUDES A MESSAGE TO REMIND YOU
  • 00:21:04.250 --> 00:21:06.220
  • OF GOD'S BLESSINGS AND FAITHFULNESS.
  • 00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:09.100
  • FINALLY, WITH YOUR GIFT OF $1.000 OR MORE
  • 00:21:09.130 --> 00:21:11.230
  • TO HELP FEED AND CARE FOR 100 CHILDREN,
  • 00:21:11.260 --> 00:21:14.010
  • BE SURE TO REQUEST OUR COMMEMORATIVE BRONZE SCULPTURE,
  • 00:21:14.040 --> 00:21:16.170
  • "SAFE IN THE SHEPHERD'S ARMS."
  • 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:19.200
  • PLEASE CALL, WRITE, OR MAKE YOUR GIFT ONLINE TODAY.
  • 00:21:19.230 --> 00:21:24.230
  • Sheila: KEEP CALLING.
  • 00:21:27.060 --> 00:21:30.060
  • IF THE LINES ARE BUSY,
  • 00:21:30.060 --> 00:21:31.200
  • JUST PERSEVERE.
  • 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.270
  • RUTH, HONESTLY,
  • 00:21:32.270 --> 00:21:34.060
  • THIS IS AN AMAZING BOOK.
  • 00:21:34.060 --> 00:21:35.170
  • WAS IT A HARD BOOK TO WRITE?
  • 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:37.170
  • Ruth: IT WAS A VERY HARD BOOK
  • 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:38.250
  • TO WRITE.
  • 00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:40.100
  • IT'S TAKEN ME YEARS
  • 00:21:40.100 --> 00:21:41.260
  • TO WRITE IT.
  • 00:21:41.260 --> 00:21:43.080
  • BUT VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE
  • 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:44.190
  • TO FINALLY WRITE IT
  • 00:21:44.190 --> 00:21:46.000
  • AND TO KNOW THAT
  • 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.140
  • GOD WILL USE IT, I BELIEVE.
  • 00:21:47.140 --> 00:21:48.220
  • Sheila: ABSOLUTELY!
  • 00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:50.040
  • BECAUSE HONESTLY,
  • 00:21:50.040 --> 00:21:51.100
  • IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING
  • 00:21:51.100 --> 00:21:52.150
  • TO FORGIVE ANYONE,
  • 00:21:52.150 --> 00:21:53.210
  • IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING
  • 00:21:53.210 --> 00:21:55.010
  • TO FORGIVE YOURSELF,
  • 00:21:55.010 --> 00:21:56.060
  • THERE'S SO MUCH WISDOM
  • 00:21:56.060 --> 00:21:57.180
  • IN THE PAGES OF THIS BOOK.
  • 00:21:57.180 --> 00:21:59.040
  • SO FOR ANY GIFT AT ALL
  • 00:21:59.040 --> 00:22:00.250
  • YOU SEND TO HELP US WITH
  • 00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:02.130
  • OUR MISSION FEEDING THIS YEAR,
  • 00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:03.290
  • WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU,
  • 00:22:03.290 --> 00:22:05.130
  • FORGIVING MY FATHER,
  • 00:22:05.130 --> 00:22:06.240
  • FORGIVING MYSELF :
  • 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.040
  • AN INVITATION TO
  • 00:22:08.040 --> 00:22:09.120
  • THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:11.210
  • THERE'S SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT.
  • 00:22:11.210 --> 00:22:13.050
  • I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD
  • 00:22:13.050 --> 00:22:14.090
  • STAY AND DO ANOTHER DAY.
  • 00:22:14.090 --> 00:22:16.110
  • Ruth: I'D LOVE TO! THANK YOU!
  • 00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:17.160
  • Sheila: THANKS, RUTH!
  • 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.210
  • THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.
  • 00:22:18.210 --> 00:22:19.260
  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME
  • 00:22:19.260 --> 00:22:21.010
  • 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:40.250
  • EVERYTHING ELSE CAN WAIT
  • 00:22:47.260 --> 00:22:54.050
  • I'VE COME TO SEEK YOUR FACE
  • 00:22:54.080 --> 00:23:00.140
  • SO EVERYTHING ELSE CAN WAIT
  • 00:23:00.170 --> 00:23:03.150
  • I'M HERE FOR YOU
  • 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:07.290
  • I WANT TO
  • 00:23:08.020 --> 00:23:11.090
  • JUST BE HERE AT YOUR FEET
  • 00:23:11.120 --> 00:23:18.010
  • JUST BE HERE ON MY KNEES
  • 00:23:18.040 --> 00:23:25.190
  • HERE IN YOUR PRESENCE
  • 00:23:25.220 --> 00:23:28.250
  • I AM COMPLETE
  • 00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:31.230
  • JESUS, YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED
  • 00:23:31.260 --> 00:23:37.050
  • EVERYTHING ELSE CAN WAIT
  • 00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:57.150
  • I'VE COME TO SEEK YOUR FACE
  • 00:23:57.180 --> 00:24:04.050
  • SO EVERYTHING ELSE CAN WAIT
  • 00:24:04.080 --> 00:24:07.150
  • I'M HERE FOR YOU
  • 00:24:07.180 --> 00:24:12.050
  • I WANT TO
  • 00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:15.180
  • JUST BE HERE AT YOUR FEET
  • 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:22.140
  • JUST BE HERE ON MY KNEES
  • 00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:30.070
  • HERE IN YOUR PRESENCE
  • 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:33.120
  • I AM COMPLETE
  • 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:36.100
  • JESUS, YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED
  • 00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:41.110
  • THERE'S NOTHING I WANT MORE
  • 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:52.110
  • 'CAUSE NOTHING MATTERS MORE
  • 00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:59.010
  • THERE'S NOTHING I WANT MORE, GOD
  • 00:24:59.040 --> 00:25:03.140
  • 'CAUSE NOTHING MATTERS MORE, NO
  • 00:25:05.270 --> 00:25:12.130
  • THERE'S NOTHING I WANT MORE, NO
  • 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:19.050
  • 'CAUSE NOTHING MATTERS MORE
  • 00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:22.100
  • THAN YOU, THAN YOU, GOD
  • 00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:25.230
  • THERE'S NOTHING I WANT MORE, NO
  • 00:25:25.260 --> 00:25:32.110
  • 'CAUSE NOTHING MATTERS MORE
  • 00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:36.280
  • I'LL JUST BE HERE AT YOUR FEET
  • 00:25:37.010 --> 00:25:43.010
  • JUST BE HERE ON MY KNEES
  • 00:25:43.040 --> 00:25:50.160
  • HERE IN YOUR PRESENCE
  • 00:25:50.190 --> 00:25:53.170
  • I AM COMPLETE
  • 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.120
  • JESUS, YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED, OH
  • 00:25:56.150 --> 00:26:03.040
  • I'LL JUST BE HERE AT YOUR FEET
  • 00:26:03.070 --> 00:26:08.210
  • OH I'LL JUST BE HERE ON MY KNEES
  • 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:17.060
  • HERE IN YOUR PRESENCE
  • 00:26:17.090 --> 00:26:20.060
  • I AM COMPLETE
  • 00:26:20.090 --> 00:26:22.280
  • JESUS, YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED
  • 00:26:23.010 --> 00:26:26.260
  • JESUS, YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED
  • 00:26:30.030 --> 00:26:35.050
  • OH JESUS, YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED
  • 00:26:35.080 --> 00:26:43.060
  • 00:26:49.050 --> 00:26:55.020