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David Jeremiah | Look to the Mountain

Life Today with James Robison

January 27, 2021

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The author of “Shelter in God” offers insight on how to have hope in a world that feels hopeless.

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David Jeremiah | Look to the Mountain

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- The magnificentdifference is
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you don't livealone anymore.
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You have an ally.You have the lordJesus Christ.
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He's a friendwho sticks closerthan a brother.
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When I first got to know himhe was my savior
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but the longerI've walked with himhe's become my friend.
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Experience hopein a time of uncertainty
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by findingshelter in God.
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- I don't know how peopleget through a time like this
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if they don't knowthe wonder of God the Father
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and the presenceof Jesus Christ.
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SHEILA: Welcome to Life Today .
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SHEILA: Welcome to Life Today .I'm Sheila Walsh.
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SHEILA: Welcome to Life Today .I'm Sheila Walsh.Whenever we walk through
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I'm Sheila Walsh.Whenever we walk througha crisis, it always seems
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Whenever we walk througha crisis, it always seemsthat history reveals
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or women on the scene
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or women on the sceneto speak to that to bring
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or women on the sceneto speak to that to bringcomfort to the body.
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to speak to that to bringcomfort to the body.I certainly know that
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comfort to the body.I certainly know thatis true of my friend,
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I certainly know thatis true of my friend,Dr. David Jeremiah whose
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is true of my friend,Dr. David Jeremiah whosenew book, S helter in God :
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Dr. David Jeremiah whosenew book, S helter in God :"Your refuge in times
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new book, S helter in God :"Your refuge in timesof trouble" could not
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Dr. Jeremiah, welcome!
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Dr. Jeremiah, welcome!Thank you so much for being
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Dr. Jeremiah, welcome!Thank you so much for beingwith us here on Life Today .
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Thank you so much for beingwith us here on Life Today .DAVID: It's really fun
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and I'm glad I got the chance.
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and I'm glad I got the chance.Sheila Well, thank you.
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and I'm glad I got the chance.Sheila Well, thank you.This book was released
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during the whole
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during the wholecovid-19 crisis
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during the wholecovid-19 crisisbut I wanted to ask you
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are there other times
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are there other timesin world history
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when you've had to find
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when you've had to findyour Shelter in God ,
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when you've had to findyour Shelter in God ,not just
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your Shelter in God ,not justthis particular year?
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not justthis particular year?DAVID: You can go back
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this particular year?DAVID: You can go backin history
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DAVID: You can go backin historyand put a circle
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in historyand put a circlearound some dates.
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and put a circlearound some dates.Like Donna and I were
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around some dates.Like Donna and I werein Dallas when
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Like Donna and I werein Dallas whenPresident Kennedy was shot.
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in Dallas whenPresident Kennedy was shot.I was a student
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President Kennedy was shot.I was a studentat Dallas Seminary
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I was a studentat Dallas Seminaryat the time.
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at Dallas Seminaryat the time.Donna was working
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at the time.Donna was workingat the Bluecross building
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Donna was workingat the Bluecross buildingand saw the president
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at the Bluecross buildingand saw the presidentlike five minutes
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and saw the presidentlike five minutesbefore he was shot.
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like five minutesbefore he was shot.I was working
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before he was shot.I was workingfor the Wall Street Journal
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I was workingfor the Wall Street Journalat the time.
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for the Wall Street Journalat the time.We were right in the middle
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at the time.We were right in the middleof all that.
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We were right in the middleof all that.I remember,
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of all that.I remember,I'll be honest with you,
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I remember,I'll be honest with you,the first thing
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I'll be honest with you,the first thingI wanted to do
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the first thingI wanted to dowas find a phone someplace
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I wanted to dowas find a phone someplaceand call my mom.
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was find a phone someplaceand call my mom.I just wanted to call her
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I needed somebody
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that there was some things
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that there was some thingsthat were still okay.
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that were still okay.That was
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That wasthe most bizarre thing
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the most bizarre thingI ever remembered.
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9/11 was another one
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9/11 was another oneof those experiences
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9/11 was another oneof those experienceswhere we all were shocked
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of those experienceswhere we all were shockedinto going to church
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where we all were shockedinto going to churchthe next week.
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into going to churchthe next week.I remember right after that
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the next week.I remember right after thatwe had like four weeks
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I remember right after thatwe had like four weeksof unbelievable attendances
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we had like four weeksof unbelievable attendancesand then everybody
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of unbelievable attendancesand then everybodyjust sort of went back
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and then everybodyjust sort of went backto normal.
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just sort of went backto normal.That was an event
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to normal.That was an eventbut what we went through
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That was an eventbut what we went throughwith the coronavirus
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but what we went throughwith the coronaviruswasn't an event,
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with the coronaviruswasn't an event,it was say situation.
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wasn't an event,it was say situation.I sort of think,
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it was say situation.I sort of think,sometimes I think,
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I sort of think,sometimes I think,God said, "Okay,
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sometimes I think,God said, "Okay,I'm going to try this.
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God said, "Okay,I'm going to try this.Here's an event
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I'm going to try this.Here's an eventto shake you up.
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Here's an eventto shake you up.And that didn't work so okay,
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to shake you up.And that didn't work so okay,here's several weeks
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And that didn't work so okay,here's several weeksto shake you up."
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here's several weeksto shake you up."And this is far more serious
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to shake you up."And this is far more seriousand I think is going
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And this is far more seriousand I think is goingto have a much greater impact
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and I think is goingto have a much greater impacton a lot of lives
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SHEILA: It's interesting
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SHEILA: It's interestingbecause when you see
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SHEILA: It's interestingbecause when you seeeverything that happened
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because when you seeeverything that happenedand then there was all sorts
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everything that happenedand then there was all sortsof violence and looting,
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and then there was all sortsof violence and looting,and that's still with
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of violence and looting,and that's still withthe presence of the church
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and that's still withthe presence of the churchon the planet,
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the presence of the churchon the planet,that's still
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on the planet,that's stillwith the restraint
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that's stillwith the restraintof the holy spirit.
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with the restraintof the holy spirit.I can only imagine
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of the holy spirit.I can only imaginewhen the believers,
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I can only imaginewhen the believers,when we're no longer here,
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when the believers,when we're no longer here,I can't even imagine
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when we're no longer here,I can't even imaginehow devastating
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I can't even imaginehow devastatingthis world will be.
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how devastatingthis world will be.DAVID: That's a very,
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this world will be.DAVID: That's a very,very important insight,
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DAVID: That's a very,very important insight,Sheila, because
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very important insight,Sheila, becausethe Bible says that one day
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Sheila, becausethe Bible says that one dayall of the saints
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the Bible says that one dayall of the saintson this earth are going
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all of the saintson this earth are goingto be caught up together
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on this earth are goingto be caught up togetherto be with the Lord
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to be caught up togetherto be with the Lordand so shall we ever be
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to be with the Lordand so shall we ever bewith him.
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and so shall we ever bewith him.And when they go up
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with him.And when they go upthe Holy Spirit is removed
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And when they go upthe Holy Spirit is removedbecause the Holy Spirit
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the Holy Spirit is removedbecause the Holy Spiritlives within
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because the Holy Spiritlives withinthe hearts of believers.
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lives withinthe hearts of believers.And the Bible says
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the hearts of believers.And the Bible saysthat the Holy Spirit
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And the Bible saysthat the Holy Spiritis the restrainer.
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that the Holy Spiritis the restrainer.When the restrainer is gone
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is the restrainer.When the restrainer is goneand everything
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When the restrainer is goneand everythingis totally without
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and everythingis totally withoutany restraint whatsoever,
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is totally withoutany restraint whatsoever,it's going to be like
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any restraint whatsoever,it's going to be likewhat we're going through
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it's going to be likewhat we're going throughright now
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what we're going throughright nowbut 10, 15, 20 times worse.
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right nowbut 10, 15, 20 times worse.And so
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but 10, 15, 20 times worse.And soyou're absolutely right.
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And soyou're absolutely right.What we're seeing right now
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you're absolutely right.What we're seeing right nowis a little view
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What we're seeing right nowis a little viewinto what it will be like
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is a little viewinto what it will be likeduring the tribulation period
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into what it will be likeduring the tribulation periodevery single day
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during the tribulation periodevery single dayfor seven years.
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every single dayfor seven years.SHEILA: Wow!
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for seven years.SHEILA: Wow!It's given me...
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SHEILA: Wow!It's given me...I mean my upbringing,
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It's given me...I mean my upbringing,I joined Youth for Christ
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I mean my upbringing,I joined Youth for Christafter seminary because
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I joined Youth for Christafter seminary becausemy passion was for evangelism.
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after seminary becausemy passion was for evangelism.But I have to say
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my passion was for evangelism.But I have to sayat this stage and day
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But I have to sayat this stage and dayit's given me a fresh desire
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at this stage and dayit's given me a fresh desireto reach people
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it's given me a fresh desireto reach peoplewith the good news of Jesus
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to reach peoplewith the good news of Jesuswhile we still can.
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with the good news of Jesuswhile we still can.David: Well,
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we have a much more
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we have a much morelistening audience
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listening audiencethat we normally would have.
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that we normally would have.I think people are starting
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about these things
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about these thingsin ways they haven't before.
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about these thingsin ways they haven't before.And as it goes on
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in ways they haven't before.And as it goes onand as we've lived
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And as it goes onand as we've livedthrough all the aftermath
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and as we've livedthrough all the aftermathof the death
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through all the aftermathof the deathof that young man
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of the deathof that young manwho was murdered
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of that young manwho was murderedand all the other things
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who was murderedand all the other thingsthat happened after that,
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and all the other thingsthat happened after that,as we lived through
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that happened after that,as we lived throughall of that,
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as we lived throughall of that,we were just shaken
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all of that,we were just shakento our core.
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we were just shakento our core.And we're Christians.
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to our core.And we're Christians.Can you imagine
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And we're Christians.Can you imaginewhat it would be like
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Can you imaginewhat it would be likeif you didn't know
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what it would be likeif you didn't knowJesus Christ?
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if you didn't knowJesus Christ?If you didn't have anything
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Jesus Christ?If you didn't have anythingto lean on or to rest on?
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If you didn't have anythingto lean on or to rest on?So yeah, we're in a time
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to lean on or to rest on?So yeah, we're in a timewhen the gospel should be
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So yeah, we're in a timewhen the gospel should bebearing fruit in ways
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when the gospel should bebearing fruit in waysit has not in the past.
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Shelter in God ,
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Shelter in God ,I love the way
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I love the waythat you help us understand
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that you help us understandwhat was going on
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when he wrote certain psalms.
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when he wrote certain psalms.But you also had this --
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when he wrote certain psalms.But you also had this --it was almost
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But you also had this --it was almosta funny observation
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it was almosta funny observationbecause I realized
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a funny observationbecause I realizedyou were talking to me.
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because I realizedyou were talking to me.You talk about Psalm 121,
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you were talking to me.You talk about Psalm 121,and it's not just about me
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You talk about Psalm 121,and it's not just about melooking up to the mountains
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and it's not just about melooking up to the mountainsas if that's where my help
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looking up to the mountainsas if that's where my helpis coming from.
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as if that's where my helpis coming from.Unpack that a little bit
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is coming from.Unpack that a little bitabout what David
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in that song of a sense.
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in that song of a sense.David: You know what,
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in that song of a sense.David: You know what,Sheila, we often have
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David: You know what,Sheila, we often havemisinterpreted that Psalm.
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Sheila, we often havemisinterpreted that Psalm.If you really look at it
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misinterpreted that Psalm.If you really look at itand study it,
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If you really look at itand study it,David is looking for help
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and study it,David is looking for helpand he looks up
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David is looking for helpand he looks upat the mountains
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that his help isn't coming
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that his help isn't comingfrom the mountains.
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from the mountains.We usually have interpreted
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We usually have interpretedthat verse that says,
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that verse that says,I look to the mountains
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I look to the mountainsfrom whence comes my help
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from whence comes my helpbut that's not the way it is.
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to the mountains period.
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to the mountains period.Then he asks the question,
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to the mountains period.Then he asks the question,where does my help come from?
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Then he asks the question,where does my help come from?It's not coming from within.
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where does my help come from?It's not coming from within.And then he realize
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It's not coming from within.And then he realizehis help is from God.
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And then he realizehis help is from God.That Psalm has such
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his help is from God.That Psalm has sucha special place in my heart
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That Psalm has sucha special place in my heartbecause a great piece of music
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as you know.
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as you know.And when I came back
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as you know.And when I came backfrom cancer 20 years ago,
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And when I came backfrom cancer 20 years ago,that song was sung
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from cancer 20 years ago,that song was sungin the first service
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that song was sungin the first servicewhen I came back.
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in the first servicewhen I came back.And I remember the strain
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when I came back.And I remember the strainin that song that went,
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And I remember the strainin that song that went,"You are the source
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in that song that went,"You are the sourceof my strength.
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"You are the sourceof my strength.You are the strength
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I had experienced that
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I had experienced thatso much.
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I had experienced thatso much.And I'll tell you what,
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so much.And I'll tell you what,I don't know why but
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And I'll tell you what,I don't know why butevery time I hear that now
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I don't know why butevery time I hear that nowI start to cry
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every time I hear that nowI start to crybecause that's what I did
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I start to crybecause that's what I didthe first time,
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because that's what I didthe first time,just to be reminded.
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the first time,just to be reminded.And that's what happened
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He looked around,
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He looked around,he looked up
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He looked around,he looked upand then he realized,
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he looked upand then he realized,God, you are the source
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and then he realized,God, you are the sourceof my strength.
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God, you are the sourceof my strength.You are the strength
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of my strength.You are the strengthof my life.
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You are the strengthof my life.SHEILA: Beautiful!
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of my life.SHEILA: Beautiful!How does your book
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SHEILA: Beautiful!How does your bookShelter in God
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How does your bookShelter in Godhelp people seek
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Shelter in Godhelp people seekGod's presence
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help people seekGod's presencewhen they're in a dark place?
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God's presencewhen they're in a dark place?David: Well,
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when they're in a dark place?David: Well,a lot of people think that
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David: Well,a lot of people think thatwhen they're in a dark place
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a lot of people think thatwhen they're in a dark placethat means God is absent
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when they're in a dark placethat means God is absentand that's just not true.
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When we go through trouble...
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When we go through trouble...Let's speak to it
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When we go through trouble...Let's speak to itas if we're Christians now,
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Let's speak to itas if we're Christians now,when we go through trouble
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as if we're Christians now,when we go through troublewhat happens is
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when we go through troublewhat happens iswe feel the presence of God.
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what happens iswe feel the presence of God.And we say to our pastor,
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we feel the presence of God.And we say to our pastor,"You know what, Pastor,
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And we say to our pastor,"You know what, Pastor,when I went through that,
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"You know what, Pastor,when I went through that,when I lost my husband,
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when I went through that,when I lost my husband,I never felt God's presence
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when I lost my husband,I never felt God's presencelike I did then.
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I never felt God's presencelike I did then.He drew so close to me
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like I did then.He drew so close to meduring that time."
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He drew so close to meduring that time."Well, to be theological
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during that time."Well, to be theologicalabout it, God doesn't --
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Well, to be theologicalabout it, God doesn't --he doesn't get closer to us
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about it, God doesn't --he doesn't get closer to usat any one time
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he doesn't get closer to usat any one timethan any other.
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at any one timethan any other.He's always close to us.
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than any other.He's always close to us.But trouble makes us aware
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He's always close to us.But trouble makes us awareof his presence
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But trouble makes us awareof his presenceand that's what happened.
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of his presenceand that's what happened.And so the Psalms
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and that's what happened.And so the Psalmsare like that.
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And so the Psalmsare like that.David takes us through
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are like that.David takes us throughthe routine
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David takes us throughthe routineof what he's going through
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the routineof what he's going throughand then all of a sudden
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of what he's going throughand then all of a suddenin the midst of it all,
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and then all of a suddenin the midst of it all,he realizes he is not alone.
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I think you and I feel like
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I think you and I feel likewhen we read the Psalms.
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I think you and I feel likewhen we read the Psalms.We walk with David
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when we read the Psalms.We walk with Davidand we can identify
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We walk with Davidand we can identifywith his problems
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and we can identifywith his problemsand then all at once
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with his problemsand then all at oncehe has that moment
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and then all at oncehe has that momentwhen he realizes,
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he has that momentwhen he realizes,oh but, God, you're here.
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when he realizes,oh but, God, you're here.I'm not alone.
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oh but, God, you're here.I'm not alone.What a message of hope
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I'm not alone.What a message of hopethat is for us,
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What a message of hopethat is for us,especially in times like this.
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that is for us,especially in times like this.SHEILA: I think
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especially in times like this.SHEILA: I thinkone of the things
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SHEILA: I thinkone of the thingsI found so encouraging about
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one of the thingsI found so encouraging aboutthat we write about
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I found so encouraging aboutthat we write aboutthe Psalms is the Psalms,
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that we write aboutthe Psalms is the Psalms,it's almost like
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the Psalms is the Psalms,it's almost likea gymnasium for the soul.
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it's almost likea gymnasium for the soul.It's like
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a gymnasium for the soul.It's likeyou get to be honest.
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It's likeyou get to be honest.You start with where you are.
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you get to be honest.You start with where you are.You don't... Because
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You start with where you are.You don't... BecauseI actually got a comment
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You don't... BecauseI actually got a commenton one of my facebook posts.
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I actually got a commenton one of my facebook posts.I talked about the fact
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on one of my facebook posts.I talked about the factthat that morning I felt
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I talked about the factthat that morning I feltdiscouraged and anxious.
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that that morning I feltdiscouraged and anxious.And somebody
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discouraged and anxious.And somebodykind of rebuked me
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And somebodykind of rebuked meand said,
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kind of rebuked meand said,"You should not be doing that
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and said,"You should not be doing thatif your trust is in God."
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"You should not be doing thatif your trust is in God."So let me throw that back
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if your trust is in God."So let me throw that backat you.
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So let me throw that backat you.Is it a sin
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at you.Is it a sinto be discouraged?
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Is it a sinto be discouraged?David: You know,
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to be discouraged?David: You know,a lot of people
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David: You know,a lot of peoplehave said that,
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a lot of peoplehave said that,and especially not just
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have said that,and especially not justdiscouraged, depression,
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and especially not justdiscouraged, depression,I've read over the years
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discouraged, depression,I've read over the yearsseveral people, some people
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I've read over the yearsseveral people, some peopleyou'd be surprised
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several people, some peopleyou'd be surprisedto hear their name
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you'd be surprisedto hear their nameactually say
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to hear their nameactually saydepression is sin
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you're away from God.
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you're away from God.The problem with that is
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you're away from God.The problem with that ismany prominent believers
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went through depression
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went through depressionand there is not
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and there is nota word in there
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a word in thereabout depression
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about depressionseparating them from God.
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it drew them to God.
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it drew them to God.David was in the cave
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it drew them to God.David was in the cavehe said,
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David was in the cavehe said,"My soul is depressed."
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he said,"My soul is depressed."He uses the word
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"My soul is depressed."He uses the wordfor indentation actually.
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He uses the wordfor indentation actually.He said, "There is
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for indentation actually.He said, "There isan indentation in my soul."
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He said, "There isan indentation in my soul."And in the midst of that,
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an indentation in my soul."And in the midst of that,David finds
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He finds
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He findsthat God is sufficient.
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He findsthat God is sufficient.You know, Sheila,
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that God is sufficient.You know, Sheila,you and I have
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You know, Sheila,you and I havetalked about this before
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you and I havetalked about this beforein previous interviews
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talked about this beforein previous interviewshow as Christians sometimes
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in previous interviewshow as Christians sometimeswe get this
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how as Christians sometimeswe get thislittle Christianese up here
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we get thislittle Christianese up herethat is so unreal
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little Christianese up herethat is so unrealand so unrealistic.
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that is so unrealand so unrealistic.Being a Christian
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and so unrealistic.Being a Christiandoesn't mean you stop living
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Being a Christiandoesn't mean you stop livingin the world.
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doesn't mean you stop livingin the world.When you're a Christian
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in the world.When you're a Christianyou keep living
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When you're a Christianyou keep livingand the magnificent
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you keep livingand the magnificentdifference is
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and the magnificentdifference isyou don't live alone anymore.
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difference isyou don't live alone anymore.You have an ally, you have
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you don't live alone anymore.You have an ally, you havethe Lord Jesus Christ.
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You have an ally, you havethe Lord Jesus Christ.He is a friend
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the Lord Jesus Christ.He is a friendwho sticks closer
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He is a friendwho sticks closerthan a brother.
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who sticks closerthan a brother.When I first got to know him
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than a brother.When I first got to know himhe was my savior
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When I first got to know himhe was my saviorbut the longer
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he was my saviorbut the longerI have walked with him
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but the longerI have walked with himhe's become my friend.
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I have walked with himhe's become my friend.When I go through
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he's become my friend.When I go throughthese dark times,
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When I go throughthese dark times,and we all do, and we have
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these dark times,and we all do, and we haveissues with our kids
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and we all do, and we haveissues with our kidsand our grandkids
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issues with our kidsand our grandkidsand our loved ones
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and our grandkidsand our loved onesand our friends,
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and our loved onesand our friends,what would you do without God?
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and our friends,what would you do without God?I don't know how people
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what would you do without God?I don't know how peopleget through a time like this
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I don't know how peopleget through a time like thisif they don't know
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get through a time like thisif they don't knowthe wonder of God the Father
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if they don't knowthe wonder of God the Fatherand the presence
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the wonder of God the Fatherand the presenceof Jesus Christ.
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and the presenceof Jesus Christ.SHEILA: I've always loved
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that you unpack it
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that you unpack itand you tell us what
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and you tell us whatwas going on at that time,
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was going on at that time,you have Sennacherib
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Then you see King Hezekiah
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Then you see King Hezekiahand it's like
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Then you see King Hezekiahand it's likethe odds against him
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and it's likethe odds against himare terrible and yet,
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the odds against himare terrible and yet,you talk about the way...
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are terrible and yet,you talk about the way...I found that one
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you talk about the way...I found that oneof the most encouraging parts
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David: Well, that Psalm
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David: Well, that Psalmis the Psalm
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David: Well, that Psalmis the Psalmthat Martin Luther
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is the Psalmthat Martin Lutherwas so connected to.
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that Martin Lutherwas so connected to.He and Philip Melanchthon
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was so connected to.He and Philip Melanchthonwho were a part
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He and Philip Melanchthonwho were a partof the reformation,
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who were a partof the reformation,whenever they would
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of the reformation,whenever they wouldget discouraged
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whenever they wouldget discouragedthey would get Psalm 46 out
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get discouragedthey would get Psalm 46 outand they would
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When Luther
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When Lutherwould be depressed,
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When Lutherwould be depressed,he would say,
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would be depressed,he would say,"Hey, Philip! Get the Psalm.
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he would say,"Hey, Philip! Get the Psalm.We've got to sing it."
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"Hey, Philip! Get the Psalm.We've got to sing it."And they would sing it out.
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We've got to sing it."And they would sing it out.So "A Mighty Refuge
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And they would sing it out.So "A Mighty Refugeis our God,"
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So "A Mighty Refugeis our God,"this great hymn
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is our God,"this great hymnthat came from Martin Luther,
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this great hymnthat came from Martin Luther,that's part of that Psalm.
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that came from Martin Luther,that's part of that Psalm.It's got such great history.
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that's part of that Psalm.It's got such great history.Like you said,
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with our souls in ways
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with our souls in waysthat are hard to understand.
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with our souls in waysthat are hard to understand.SHEILA: You talk in the book
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that are hard to understand.SHEILA: You talk in the bookabout journaling.
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SHEILA: You talk in the bookabout journaling.That was interesting to me
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about journaling.That was interesting to mebecause I've always been
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That was interesting to mebecause I've always beenterrible at journaling.
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because I've always beenterrible at journaling.You talk about that is
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terrible at journaling.You talk about that isa positive thing to do.
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You talk about that isa positive thing to do.David: When I was going
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a positive thing to do.David: When I was goingthrough cancer everybody said
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David: When I was goingthrough cancer everybody saidyou need to keep track
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through cancer everybody saidyou need to keep trackof what God is doing in you.
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you need to keep trackof what God is doing in you.You need to journal.
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of what God is doing in you.You need to journal.I'll be honest with you.
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You need to journal.I'll be honest with you.I always thought journaling
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I'll be honest with you.I always thought journalingwas for women and mystics.
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I always thought journalingwas for women and mystics.And since I wasn't either one
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was for women and mystics.And since I wasn't either oneI didn't want to journal.
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And since I wasn't either oneI didn't want to journal.And then somebody gave me
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I didn't want to journal.And then somebody gave mea book by Gordon MacDonald
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And then somebody gave mea book by Gordon MacDonaldand the book was called,
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a book by Gordon MacDonaldand the book was called,The Life God Blesses .
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and the book was called,The Life God Blesses .And in that book
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The Life God Blesses .And in that bookGordon talked about
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And in that bookGordon talked aboutkeeping a journal
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Gordon talked aboutkeeping a journalin his computer.
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keeping a journalin his computer.And I thought,
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in his computer.And I thought,that's pretty manly.
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And I thought,that's pretty manly.You can do that.
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that's pretty manly.You can do that.If you do it in your computer,
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You can do that.If you do it in your computer,it will be fine!
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I was going through that time
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I was going through that timeof testing in my life,
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I was going through that timeof testing in my life,I kept a pretty daily journal
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of testing in my life,I kept a pretty daily journalof what God was doing.
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I kept a pretty daily journalof what God was doing.It was very,
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of what God was doing.It was very,very helpful to me
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It was very,very helpful to meto write down the things.
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very helpful to meto write down the things.Sometimes I go back,
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to write down the things.Sometimes I go back,I haven't kept all of it,
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and read some of them
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and read some of themand it reminds me again
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and it reminds me againhow good God has been to me
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how grateful I am
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how grateful I amfor his provision in my life
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how grateful I amfor his provision in my lifebecause I was
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for his provision in my lifebecause I wasa pretty sick dude.
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because you talk about
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because you talk aboutkind of a shift
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because you talk aboutkind of a shiftwithin psychiatric treatment
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kind of a shiftwithin psychiatric treatmentor counseling.
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within psychiatric treatmentor counseling.That instead of just
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or counseling.That instead of justrevisiting the past
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That instead of justrevisiting the pastover and over and reliving
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revisiting the pastover and over and relivingevery negative thing,
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over and over and relivingevery negative thing,but to remember
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every negative thing,but to rememberto actually consciously
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but to rememberto actually consciouslygo over and over
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to actually consciouslygo over and overthe good things
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go over and overthe good thingsthat God has done.
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the good thingsthat God has done.I'm beginning to do that
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that God has done.I'm beginning to do thatand I see that it makes
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I'm beginning to do thatand I see that it makesa significant difference.
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and I see that it makesa significant difference.David: I have a letter
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during some of the hard times
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during some of the hard timesthat we were going through.
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during some of the hard timesthat we were going through.And this girl wrote me
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that we were going through.And this girl wrote meand she said,
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And this girl wrote meand she said,I heard you mention this.
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and she said,I heard you mention this.She said, "Dr. Jeremiah,
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I heard you mention this.She said, "Dr. Jeremiah,I made a list of the ten
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She said, "Dr. Jeremiah,I made a list of the tenmost important things
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I made a list of the tenmost important thingsGod has done for me
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most important thingsGod has done for mein my whole life."
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God has done for mein my whole life."She said, "I started out
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in my whole life."She said, "I started outwith a long list
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She said, "I started outwith a long listand I got it down
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with a long listand I got it downto the top 10."
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and I got it downto the top 10."She says,
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to the top 10."She says,"I read them every morning
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She says,"I read them every morningand I am so filled
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"I read them every morningand I am so filledwith gratitude.
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and I am so filledwith gratitude.My God has been
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with gratitude.My God has beenso good to me."
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My God has beenso good to me."What she was saying is,
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so good to me."What she was saying is,when you're going through
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What she was saying is,when you're going throughhard times you lose sight
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when you're going throughhard times you lose sightof the good times.
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hard times you lose sightof the good times.When you're experiencing
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of the good times.When you're experiencingdifficult things you forget
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When you're experiencingdifficult things you forgetthat God is with you.
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difficult things you forgetthat God is with you.And one of the reasons
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that God is with you.And one of the reasonsI wrote that list
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And one of the reasonsI wrote that listat the beginning of the book
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I wrote that listat the beginning of the bookwas to remind people
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at the beginning of the bookwas to remind peoplethat God has always
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was to remind peoplethat God has alwaysbeen there for his people.
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that God has alwaysbeen there for his people.And when he puts us
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been there for his people.And when he puts usin times of sheltering,
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And when he puts usin times of sheltering,he's always up to something.
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in times of sheltering,he's always up to something.And if you know that
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he's always up to something.And if you know thatthat's what God does
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And if you know thatthat's what God doesand what he has done
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that's what God doesand what he has donein the past,
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and what he has donein the past,then you can be encouraged
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in the past,then you can be encouragedto look for it in the future.
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then you can be encouragedto look for it in the future.We don't know all that
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to look for it in the future.We don't know all thatGod is doing right now yet,
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We don't know all thatGod is doing right now yet,it's too early
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God is doing right now yet,it's too earlybut we know a lot of things
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it's too earlybut we know a lot of thingshe's doing.
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but we know a lot of thingshe's doing.There are some things
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he's doing.There are some thingsthat probably
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without the anguish
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without the anguishof what we've been through.
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without the anguishof what we've been through.SHEILA: I was talking
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of what we've been through.SHEILA: I was talkingto some of my son's friends.
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SHEILA: I was talkingto some of my son's friends.They're all in grad school
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to some of my son's friends.They're all in grad schoolbut kind of self-isolating
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They're all in grad schoolbut kind of self-isolatingat the moment.
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but kind of self-isolatingat the moment.And they were talking
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at the moment.And they were talkingabout the fact that
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And they were talkingabout the fact thatwe can't go to the movies,
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about the fact thatwe can't go to the movies,we can't really go out
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we can't go to the movies,we can't really go outfor dinner.
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we can't really go outfor dinner.And you draw this
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for dinner.And you draw thisinteresting distinction
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And you draw thisinteresting distinctionin your book between
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interesting distinctionin your book betweenamusement and pleasure.
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in your book betweenamusement and pleasure.And perhaps how amusement
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amusement and pleasure.And perhaps how amusementhas been removed
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And perhaps how amusementhas been removedbut our pleasure is found,
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has been removedbut our pleasure is found,you say, in God alone.
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but our pleasure is found,you say, in God alone.David: Well, amusements
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you say, in God alone.David: Well, amusementsare what people use
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David: Well, amusementsare what people useto try to figure out
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are what people useto try to figure outwhy they don't have
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to try to figure outwhy they don't haveany pleasure.
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why they don't haveany pleasure.Amusements are the things,
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any pleasure.Amusements are the things,what was that book that
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Amusements are the things,what was that book thatcame out several years ago --
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what was that book thatcame out several years ago --Amusing Ourselves to Death .
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came out several years ago --Amusing Ourselves to Death .We try to find something
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in our heart.
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in our heart.But the Bible says that
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in our heart.But the Bible says thatat the right hand of God
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But the Bible says thatat the right hand of Godare pleasures forever more.
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at the right hand of Godare pleasures forever more.And when you get to know God
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are pleasures forever more.And when you get to know Godin the midst of things
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And when you get to know Godin the midst of thingsthat are challenging,
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in the midst of thingsthat are challenging,it's not that you're
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that are challenging,it's not that you'rein a giddy mood of laughter
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it's not that you'rein a giddy mood of laughterbut pleasure
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in a giddy mood of laughterbut pleasureis the settlement in your soul
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but pleasureis the settlement in your soulthat God is in charge
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is the settlement in your soulthat God is in chargeand there is joy
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that God is in chargeand there is joybecause you know you know him
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and there is joybecause you know you know himand he's got this
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because you know you know himand he's got thisall under control.
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and he's got thisall under control.And whatever happens,
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all under control.And whatever happens,he knows the end
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And whatever happens,he knows the endfrom the beginning
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he knows the endfrom the beginningand you're his.
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from the beginningand you're his.And you're in his hand
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and you're his.And you're in his handand he is going to help you
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And you're in his handand he is going to help youand keep you
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and he is going to help youand keep youin the midst of it all.
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and keep youin the midst of it all.That's what pleasure is.
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The covid-19 pandemic,
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The covid-19 pandemic,for many, many weeks
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for many, many weekschurch doors were closed.
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church doors were closed.But I'm wondering when things
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as they will,
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as they will,how do you think
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as they will,how do you thinkor how do you hope
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changes?
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changes?David: Well, you know, Sheila.
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changes?David: Well, you know, Sheila.We've been working
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David: Well, you know, Sheila.We've been workingthrough that for a long time
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We've been workingthrough that for a long timebecause here where I live,
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through that for a long timebecause here where I live,they keep moving the date.
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because here where I live,they keep moving the date.When we were
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they keep moving the date.When we weregoing through this
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When we weregoing through thisand trying to figure out
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going through thisand trying to figure outwhen we could open
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and trying to figure outwhen we could openwe would think it was now
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when we could openwe would think it was nowand then no, you can't do it.
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we would think it was nowand then no, you can't do it.And then
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and then no, you can't do it.And thenthere was a court settlement
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And thenthere was a court settlementand then the supreme court
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there was a court settlementand then the supreme courtgot involved.
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and then the supreme courtgot involved.So we were always
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got involved.So we were alwaysa little bit ahead
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So we were alwaysa little bit aheadof where we were going.
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we would ask ourselves
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we would ask ourselveshow are things
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how are thingsgoing to be different?
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going to be different?Well, of course,
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Well, of course,just from the standpoint
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we couldn't take offerings
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we couldn't take offeringsthe way we used to take them.
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we couldn't take offeringsthe way we used to take them.We couldn't take communion
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the way we used to take them.We couldn't take communionthe way we used to take it.
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We couldn't take communionthe way we used to take it.We couldn't shake hands
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the way we used to take it.We couldn't shake handsand embrace like we used to.
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We couldn't shake handsand embrace like we used to.I told people,
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trying to get you people
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trying to get you peopleto be cordial
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trying to get you peopleto be cordialand love each other
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to be cordialand love each otherand shake hands.
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and love each otherand shake hands.And now I've got to tell you
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and shake hands.And now I've got to tell youstop it!
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And now I've got to tell youstop it!Don't do that anymore!"
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stop it!Don't do that anymore!"It's really,
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Don't do that anymore!"It's really,it strips your gears
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It's really,it strips your gearsright to the core.
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and what I know will happen,
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and what I know will happen,really is we will appreciate
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and what I know will happen,really is we will appreciatethe privilege of being
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really is we will appreciatethe privilege of beingwith each other
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the privilege of beingwith each otherlike we never have before.
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with each otherlike we never have before.We have small groups
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like we never have before.We have small groupsat Shadow Mountain
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We have small groupsat Shadow Mountainthat have stayed together
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I think almost all
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I think almost allof our small groups,
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I think almost allof our small groups,they haven't lost touch
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of our small groups,they haven't lost touchwith each other
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they haven't lost touchwith each otherbut Zoom isn't everything
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with each otherbut Zoom isn't everythingit is cracked up to be
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but Zoom isn't everythingit is cracked up to beand it is not certainly like
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it is cracked up to beand it is not certainly likebeing with somebody.
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happen we will treasure
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happen we will treasureour togetherness
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our togethernesslike never before --
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And then I also think
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And then I also thinkwe have developed
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And then I also thinkwe have developeda sensitivity to the hurts
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we have developeda sensitivity to the hurtsand needs of others
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a sensitivity to the hurtsand needs of othersduring this time
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and needs of othersduring this timethat we have lost a little bit
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during this timethat we have lost a little bitbecause we've been
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that we have lost a little bitbecause we've beenin such good times.
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because we've beenin such good times.Let's face it.
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in such good times.Let's face it.Just like
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Let's face it.Just likethe country's economy
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Just likethe country's economywas the greatest
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the country's economywas the greatestit had ever been,
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was the greatestit had ever been,things in our churches
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it had ever been,things in our churcheswere great.
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things in our churcheswere great.We saw growth, we saw
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were great.We saw growth, we sawso many good things happening.
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We saw growth, we sawso many good things happening.And then all of the sudden,
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so many good things happening.And then all of the sudden,it was just shut down
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And then all of the sudden,it was just shut downtighter than a drum.
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it was just shut downtighter than a drum.And you have to look around
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tighter than a drum.And you have to look aroundand realize, okay,
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And you have to look aroundand realize, okay,the church isn't buildings,
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and realize, okay,the church isn't buildings,it's not budgets,
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the church isn't buildings,it's not budgets,it's not programs.
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it's not budgets,it's not programs.The church
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it's not programs.The churchis the spirit of God
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The churchis the spirit of Godliving within people.
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is the spirit of Godliving within people.And we're going to go back
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living within people.And we're going to go backto our buildings
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And we're going to go backto our buildingsand our budgets
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to our buildingsand our budgetsand our programs
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and our budgetsand our programsbut I hope we go back
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and our programsbut I hope we go backto those things realizing
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but I hope we go backto those things realizingthose are just vehicles
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to those things realizingthose are just vehiclesthat God has given us
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those are just vehiclesthat God has given usto do the real work
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that God has given usto do the real workof the church, which is
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to do the real workof the church, which isevangelism and worship
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of the church, which isevangelism and worshipand fellowship and outreach.
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evangelism and worshipand fellowship and outreach.Those are things
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and fellowship and outreach.Those are thingsthat are real
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Those are thingsthat are realand they've survived
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that are realand they've survivedall of this
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and they've survivedall of thisthat we've gone through.
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all of thisthat we've gone through.SHEILA: I'm going to tell you
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that we've gone through.SHEILA: I'm going to tell youin a minute how you can get
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SHEILA: I'm going to tell youin a minute how you can geta hold of Dr. Jeremiah's
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in a minute how you can geta hold of Dr. Jeremiah'sbook, Shelter in God :
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a hold of Dr. Jeremiah'sbook, Shelter in God :"Your refuge
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book, Shelter in God :"Your refugein times of trouble."
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but We made a commitment
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but We made a commitmentto put in 350 wells.
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to put in 350 wells.If you and I will
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If you and I willsimply do our best
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simply do our bestand ask the Holy Spirit,
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and ask the Holy Spirit,"What do you want me to do?"
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"What do you want me to do?"Because I'm not trying
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Because I'm not tryingto pressure you.
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to pressure you.All I want to do is
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All I want to do isshow you the need
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show you the needSometimes I wish
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I wish you could actually
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have got on the plane
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and sit beside me
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and we'll land there
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and we'll get in some kind
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of vehicle and drive,
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usually a few hours
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to get to these villages
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that are so remote.
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I wish I could introduce you
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to these moms
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because they're
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just like you and me.
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So often we think that's
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the other side of the world.
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We have nothing in common.
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That is not true.
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If you are a mom,
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if you have a heart,
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we have everything in common.
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And so many of these women,
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the thing that blows me away,
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so many of these women
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still trust God
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and ask him,
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"Please send help!"
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And that's us!
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As long as you and I,
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the body of Christ
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are on the earth at this time
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then this is our --
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it not our obligation,
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it is our privilege.
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So here's what you can do.
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For $48
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you can provide clean water
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for ten people for life.
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$144 you can provide
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clean water for 30 people
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for their life.
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If you're able to,
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you can make a commitment,
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perhaps, even just
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your little church group
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or your Sunday school group
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or whatever,
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your Bible study,
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your women's group;
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$4800 puts a whole well in
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that will give clean,
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fresh, life-giving water
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to 1.000 people.
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So please go to your phone.
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Dial that number.
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Give the best gift you can.
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Dirty, disease-filledwater --
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how desperate woulda mother need to be
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to consider givingthis contaminated substance
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to her child?
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For many mothersand their familiesliving in extreme poverty,
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this is theironly choice.
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But with your helpthey won't have to makethis choice ever again.
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Mission: Water for Lifeprovides clean,disease-free water
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for thousands of childrenand their families
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giving them a lifefree from the fear of death.
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With your gift todayyou can help drill
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and establish350 water wells this year.
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Your gift of $24will help provide
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clean waterfor five children.
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A gift of $48will help provide for ten.
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$72 will providefor 15.
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And $144 will helpprovide life-giving water
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for 30 peoplefor a lifetime.
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With your gift, we'll send youSpeak Your Name devotions
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and declarationson the reality of Jesus.
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Filled withstunning imagery,
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these 40 encouraging devotionsby Laney Rene
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serve as a reminder ofthe power of Jesus' name.
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With your giftof $100 or more,
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please requestthe “Be Refreshed” pitcher.
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This beautifulceramic pitcher
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is decorated withProverbs 11:25
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and is sure to makea lovely addition toyour table or home.
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Finally, please considera gift of $1200
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to help provide waterfor 250 people
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or a gift of $4800 to helpsponsor a complete well.
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And you may requestour brand-new,
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inspiring bronze sculpture,“Divine Servant.”
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Please call, writeor make your gift online.
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SHEILA: Thank you so much.
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SHEILA: Thank you so much.And just remember
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SHEILA: Thank you so much.And just rememberfor any gift at all
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And just rememberfor any gift at alljust request your copy
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for any gift at alljust request your copyof Dr. David Jeremiah's book,
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just request your copyof Dr. David Jeremiah's book,Shelter in God :
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of Dr. David Jeremiah's book,Shelter in God :"Your refuge
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Shelter in God :"Your refugein times of trouble."
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"Your refugein times of trouble."Dr. Jeremiah, thank you
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in times of trouble."Dr. Jeremiah, thank youso much for your wisdom,
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Dr. Jeremiah, thank youso much for your wisdom,for your compassion,
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so much for your wisdom,for your compassion,for your grace
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for your compassion,for your graceand thanks for spending time
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for your graceand thanks for spending timewith us here on Life Today .
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and thanks for spending timewith us here on Life Today .David: Sheila,
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with us here on Life Today .David: Sheila,whenever you call, I answer.
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David: Sheila,whenever you call, I answer.I'm always glad
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whenever you call, I answer.I'm always gladto talk with you
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I'm always gladto talk with youabout anything
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to talk with youabout anythingbecause I know your heart.
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about anythingbecause I know your heart.It's so wonderful
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because I know your heart.It's so wonderfulto be a partner with you
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It's so wonderfulto be a partner with youin ministry.
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to be a partner with youin ministry.So thank you for having me.
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in ministry.So thank you for having me.SHEILA: Thank you so much.
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So thank you for having me.SHEILA: Thank you so much.And we'll see you next time
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♪ Through you,I can do anything ♪
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♪ I can doAll things ♪
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♪ 'Cause it's youWho gives me strength ♪
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♪ NothingIs impossible ♪
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♪ Through you,Blind eyes are opened ♪
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♪ StrongholdsAre broken ♪
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♪ I am livingBy faith ♪
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♪ NothingIs impossible! ♪
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♪
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♪ I'm not gonna liveBy what I see ♪
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♪ I'm not gonna liveBy what I feel ♪
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♪ 'Cause deep down I knowThat you're here with me ♪
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♪ I know thatYou can do anything ♪
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♪ Through you,I can do anything ♪
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♪ I can doAll things ♪
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♪ 'Cause it's youWho gives me strength ♪
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♪ NothingIs impossible ♪
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♪ Through you,Blind eyes are opened ♪
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♪ StrongholdsAre broken ♪
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♪ I am livingBy faith ♪
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♪ NothingIs impossible! ♪
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♪
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♪ Sing I believe it ♪
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♪ I believe,I believe ♪
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♪ I believeI believe in you ♪
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♪ I believe,I believe ♪
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♪ I believeI believe in you ♪
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♪ I believe,I believe ♪
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♪ I believeI believe in you ♪
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♪ I believe,I believe ♪
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♪ I believeI believe in you ♪
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♪ Through you,I can do anything ♪
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♪ I can doAll things ♪
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♪ 'Cause it's youWho gives me strength ♪
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♪ NothingIs impossible ♪
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♪ Through you,Blind eyes are opened ♪
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♪ StrongholdsAre broken ♪
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♪ I am livingBy faith ♪
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♪ NothingIs impossible! ♪
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♪ I believe,I believe ♪
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♪ I believeI believe in you ♪
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♪ I believe,I believe ♪
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♪ I believeI believe in you ♪
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