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Praise the Lord

Leon Fontaine

March 14, 2016

1:27:01

Matt & Laurie Crouch host Leon Fontaine

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- MALE ANNOUNCER: FROM COAST
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TO COAST AND AROUND THE WORLD,
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PRAISE THE LORD,
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LET EVERY NATION REJOICE
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PRAISE THE LORD
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WITH ONE MIGHTY VOICE
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"PRAISE THE LORD" COVERS THE
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MAJOR CHRISTIAN EVENTS IN
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AMERICA AND ACROSS THE WORLD,
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...TO CENTRAL AND SOUTH
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WELCOME TO THE NUMBER-ONE
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CHRISTIAN NETWORK IN ALL THE
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WORLD!
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JOINING US FROM SHILOH RANCH IN
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PASTOR OF SPRINGS CHURCH AND
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CEO OF THE MIRACLE CHANNEL,
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AND, READY TO TAKE YOUR CALLS,
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PRAYER PARTNERS FROM AROUND
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PRAISE THE LORD,
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PRAISE THE LORD
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PRAISE THE LORD
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PRAISE THE LORD
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NOW, YOUR HOSTS: MATT AND
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- MATT CROUCH: THE "PRAISE THE
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LORD" PROGRAM COMES TO YOU FROM
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AND I THINK TODAY THIS
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"PRAISE THE LORD" PROGRAM
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IS THE CUP-OF-TEA "PRAISE THE
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LORD" PROGRAM.
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- LAURIE CROUCH: YES.
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- MATT: WE ALL HAVE FRESH TEA.
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- LAURIE: YES.
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- MATT: WE'RE ALL SITTING IN A
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VERY COMFORTABLE LOCATION.
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LEON FONTAINE, OUR DEAR
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FRIEND...
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LEON, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW,
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PASTOR, YOU KNOW, SPRINGS
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CHURCH, WE'VE BEEN WITH YOU,
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WE'VE DONE A "PRAISE THE LORD"
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PROGRAM IN YOUR BEAUTIFUL
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CHURCH IN CALGARY.
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BUT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
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WANT THE TBN PARTNERS TO KNOW
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IS THAT WHEN "PRAISE THE LORD"
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PROGRAM, WHEN INSIDE THE FAMILY
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OF NETWORKS, WHEN A LOT OF THE
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TBN CONTENT AIRS IN CANADA, IT
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AIRS BECAUSE OF THE MIRACLE
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CHANNEL.
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- LAURIE: YES.
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- MATT: NOW, 7 MILLION HOMES
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ARE RECEIVING THE MIRACLE
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CHANNEL, WHICH CARRIES A LOT OF
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TBN BROADCASTING, SO,
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TO THOSE WATCHING IN CANADA...
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- LAURIE: HELLO.
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- MATT: HELLO.
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- LAURIE: AHOY, MATE.
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- MATT: AND, UH...
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- LAURIE: NOPE.
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OOPS, THAT'S AUSTRALIAN.
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[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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- MATT: AND WE'RE ON AND DOING
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WELL THERE.
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OKAY, LEON -- LAURIE AND I HAVE
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INTRODUCED A VISION VIDEO.
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LAURIE AND I DID A VIDEO AND
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IT'S AIRED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL
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TIMES ON TBN WHERE WE TALK
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ABOUT HOPE.
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IF THERE IS FACE OF HOPE IN
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TELEVISION TODAY, THAT IS
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CERTAINLY OUR DEAR FRIEND JOEL
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OSTEEN.
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- LEON FONTAINE: YEAH...
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- MATT: IF THERE IS A FACE ON
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GRACE...
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- LAURIE: MMH...
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- MATT: ...YOU KNOW, ON TBN,
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CERTAINLY IT IS, YOU KNOW,
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JOSEPH PRINCE.
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- LEON: MM-HMM.
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- MATT: AND WE, THEN,
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TALK ABOUT A NEW SUBJECT,
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A BRAND-NEW SUBJECT, CALLED
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SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY.
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OKAY...YOU'RE KIND OF HELPING
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US UNDERSTAND.
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YOU, IN A SENSE, ARE THE FACE
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OF SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY.
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IF SOMEBODY IS HEARING THAT
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TERM FOR THE FIRST TIME, NOBODY
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KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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LET'S START AND-- AND START
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EXPLAINING WHAT YOUR MINISTRY,
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HOW YOUR MINISTRY HAD EFFECT ON
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MY FATHER, PAUL CROUCH, RIGHT
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HERE ON THESE GROUNDS, HERE IN
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TEXAS.
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WE MET FOR THE FIRST TIME.
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AND, REALLY, WE STARTED TO GET
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TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
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AND THERE IS A LIFE MESSAGE IN
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YOU AND IT IS CALLED SPIRIT
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CONTEMPORARY.
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- LEON: SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY IS
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WHO HOLY SPIRIT REALLY IS.
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IT'S WHAT HE IS.
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- MATT: OKAY.
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- LEON: HE IS THE MOST
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CONTEMPORARY FORCE ON THE
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PLANET.
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AND, NOBODY EVER THINKS THEY'RE
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RELIGIOUS.
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BUT EVEN AMONGST-- I WAS RAISED
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IN A PENTECOSTAL-TYPE OF
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CHURCH.
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GREAT PARENTS WHO WERE TAUGHT
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THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,
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AND THE NINE GIFTS OF THE
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SPIRIT, AND THE FIVEFOLD
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MINISTRY.
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AND WE HAD DOCTRINES FOR ALL OF
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THEM, WHICH WORKED WELL.
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AND THEY WERE JUST PRECIOUS
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BECAUSE I THINK GOD WITH AZUSA
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STREET WAS BRINGING SOMETHING
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BACK TO THE BODY OF CHRIST
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WHERE WE COULD EXPERIENCE AND
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BELIEVE IN THIS, RATHER THAN
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JUST BEING A RELIGION, WHICH IS
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WHAT THE CENTURIES HAD DONE TO
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CHRISTIANITY.
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SO, RAISED IN A CHURCH,
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PENTECOSTAL, I SAW GOD DO
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MIRACLES, SIGNS, AND WONDERS,
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IN A CHURCH WAY, AT THE FRONT
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OF A CHURCH.
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BUT THEN, IN ORDER TO-- WHEN MY
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DAD WENT TO START A CHURCH IN
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SELKIRK, I WANTED TO GO WITH
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HIM BUT HE COULDN'T AFFORD TO
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PUT ME ON AS A PASTOR.
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SO, I GOT A JOB AND THEN BECAME
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A PARAMEDIC.
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AND IT WAS THEN THAT SALLY AND
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I -- MY WIFE -- SHE REALLY
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HELPED ME WITH THIS.
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BECAUSE SHE WASN'T RAISED IN
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ANY WAY RELIGIOUSLY.
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A GREAT HOME.
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BUT I HAD READ SO MANY BOOKS
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AND BEEN TO SO MANY
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CONFERENCES.
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BUT, I COULDN'T SEEM TO GET ANY
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MIRACLES TO HAPPEN.
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I COULDN'T SEEM TO WIN ANYBODY
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TO JESUS.
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IT WAS JUST LIKE-- IT WAS LIKE
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I WAS THE TYPICAL PARAMEDIC IN
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A HOSPITAL WITH PEOPLE DYING
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ALL THE TIME.
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I MEAN, I'VE SEEN HUNDREDS OF
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PEOPLE DIE.
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AND I JUST CRIED OUT TO GOD AND
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SAID, "GOD!"
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LIKE, "WHAT ABOUT THE MIRACLES,
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AND RAISING THE DEAD, AND
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SIGNS AND WONDERS,
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AND WINNING PEOPLE TO CHRIST SO
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THAT DAILY THE CHURCH HAS BEEN
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ADDED TO?"
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IT JUST-- OUR CHURCH NEVER GOT
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PAST 200 PEOPLE IN MY DAD'S
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ENTIRE LIFETIME -- 2- TO 300
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PEOPLE.
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IT JUST...IT JUST BEHOOVED ME.
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AND THAT IS WHEN GOD BEGAN TO
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DEAL WITH ME ABOUT BEING
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SPIRITUALLY ALIVE, AMAZINGLY
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POTENT, WHERE I COULD SENSE HIM
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AND KNOW WHAT TO DO, WHERE HIS
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PRESENCE WOULD FLOW THROUGH ME
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TO TOUCH PEOPLE.
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BUT, IT WOULDN'T BE CRAZY, AND
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WEIRD, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE
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FRUITS, NUTS, AND FLAKES --
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THEY CALL THAT GRANOLA.
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- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
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- LEON: BUT THAT I WOULD BE
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ABLE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND HOW
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TO RELATE TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE,
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LIKE THE APOSTLE PAUL IN
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1 CORINTHIANS 9, WHERE HE TALKS
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ABOUT: TO THE JEW, I'M AS JEW;
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TO THE GREEK AS GREEK; TO THOSE
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WITHOUT THE LAW AS WITHOUT THE
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LAW; TO THOSE WITH THE LAW AS
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WITH THE LAW; I WILL BE ALL
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THINGS TO ALL MEN THAT I MIGHT
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WIN SOME FOR THE GOSPEL.
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WHAT I NOTICED IN THE
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CHURCHES, WE BECAME-- SORRY,
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BUT I'M GONNA BE REALLY BLUNT.
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WE ALMOST BECAME THIS ARROGANT
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FORCE THAT "WE HAVE THE MESSAGE
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OF JESUS CHRIST -- TURN OR
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BURN, BUDDY," AND THIS IS
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JESUS, AND WE'RE GONNA PREACH
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AT PEOPLE AND TALK TO PEOPLE.
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AND WE STOPPED LISTENING AND
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LOVING AND ACTING LIKE JESUS
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ACTED.
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AND SO, IN THE SEVEN YEARS I
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SPENT AS A PARAMEDIC, I BEGAN
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TO SEE MIRACLES -- GROWTHS
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DISAPPEARING, IN FRONT OF A
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SURGICAL TEAM; I BEGAN TO SEE
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DEAD BODIES START TO WORK,
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PEOPLE COME BACK TO LIFE --
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THINGS IN MODERN-DAY CANADA
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THAT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT.
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I MEAN, WE READ ABOUT IT IN
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JOHN G. LAKE BOOKS, SMITH
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WIGGLESWORTH BOOKS, IN AFRICA,
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TODAY.
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BUT YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT
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MIRACLES IN THE FIRST WORLD.
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AND I BEGAN TO SEE THEM ON JUST
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A REGULAR BASIS, TILL TODAY.
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HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE TALKED.
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I'LL JUST START TO SHARE
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MIRACLE AFTER MIRACLE AFTER
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MIRACLE AFTER MIRACLE.
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AND I STARTED REALIZING THAT
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THAT'S-- I THOUGHT THAT WAS
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NORMAL FOR MANY OTHER
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MINISTRIES UNTIL I STARTED TO
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TRAVEL.
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AND THEN, PEOPLE WERE IN AWE
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THAT WHAT I WAS DOING WAS SO
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AMAZING.
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BUT THE WAY GOD HAD BEGUN TO
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DEAL WITH ME, I FELT LIKE THIS
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WAS FOR EVERYBODY.
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- MATT: WOW.
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- LEON: AND SO, THAT'S WHERE
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SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY MEANS
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BEING SPIRITUALLY ALIVE,
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SENSING HOLY SPIRIT, AND MOVING
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IN HIS POWER.
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BUT THEN, CONTEMPORARY...WHICH
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IS RELEVANT, COOL, ABLE TO TALK
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TO A GUY ON THE STREETS, A
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BOARD MEMBER IN THAT BOARDROOM,
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SOMEBODY HURTING, SOMEBODY
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WHO'S IN HORRIBLE SIN AND THEIR
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LIVES ARE A MESS.
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SO, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE WE
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GO, WE CAN BE CONTEMPORARY AND
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COOL, WHEREAS, PEOPLE TODAY,
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THEY JUST KINDA LOOK AT
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CHRISTIANITY--
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WE'VE LITERALLY LOST.
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WE'RE IN CRISES TODAY.
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BECAUSE, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL
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FROM SOME OF MY FRIENDS AROUND
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THE WORLD, THE CHURCH IS
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GROWING IN THIRD-WORLD
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COUNTRIES BEAUTIFULLY.
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WE'RE REACHING MUSLIMS AT AN
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AMAZING RATE AROUND THE PLANET.
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BUT IN AMERICA, CANADA, YOU
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KNOW, ENGLAND, ALL THIS FIRST
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WORLD, OUR STATS ON CHURCHES
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ARE THOUSANDS ARE CLOSING THEIR
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AND, THE STATS -- THEY'RE
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TELLING US-- OR EVEN THOUGH
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WE'VE GOT MEGACHURCHES, THE
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AMOUNT OF CHRISTIANS OVERALL
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HASN'T CHANGED MUCH.
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THERE'S A BIT OF A SHUFFLE.
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AND I THINK GOOD THINGS ARE
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HAPPENING.
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BUT FOR ME, A HUGE CRISIS
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IS WE HAVE SET UP SO MANY
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LITTLE POPES AND CARDINALS
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IN THE PENTECOSTAL WORLD THAT
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WE HAVEN'T TAUGHT AND EQUIPPED
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THE SAINTS FOR THE ADVENTURE OF
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- LAURIE: YEAH.
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- MATT: OKAY...WHEN YOU HIT
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THE CRISIS PART, I THINK YOU
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STARTED IDENTIFYING WITH ME.
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I KNOW YOU, LEON, AND I KNOW
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YOUR MESSAGE, AND I AM IN
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SUPPORT OF YOUR MESSAGE.
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BUT, RIGHT THERE, I THINK YOU
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JUST FLIPPED A SWITCH.
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I THINK YOU JUST GOT PEOPLE'S
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ATTENTION WHEN YOU SAID THE
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CHURCH IS IN A CRISIS.
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- LEON: YEAH.
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- MATT: WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
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- LEON: YEAH.
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- MATT: YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE NOT
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ATTENDING CHURCH.
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YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR, NORMAL
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WHAT WE CALL MAINSTREAM
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DENOMINATIONS ARE LOSING CHURCH
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ATTENDANCE.
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- LEON: MM-HMM.
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- MATT: YOU KNOW, STATISTICS
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ARE DISMAL OF CHURCH ATTENDANCE
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IN ENGLAND AND SOME OF THE
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FIRST-WORLD LOCATIONS.
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SO, I THINK THE IDEA IS I
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WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE TO WATCH
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THIS DISCUSSION AND THIS
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BROADCAST -- AND IF YOU JUST
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TUNED IN, THIS THE "PRAISE THE
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LORD" PROGRAM AND OUR GUEST
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LEON FONTAINE -- WITHOUT YOU
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MAKING SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT
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YOU KNOW THAT THE CHURCH IS IN
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A CRISIS.
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- LEON: MM-HMM.
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- MATT: AND I THINK, YOU KNOW,
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BEFORE THE BROADCAST, YOU
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MENTIONED -- AND I WANT YOU TO
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UNPACK THAT MOMENT FOR A MINUTE
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HERE -- THAT, BASICALLY, AFTER
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THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS REVEALED IN
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MASSIVE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE
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THE WELSH REVIVAL...
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- LEON: MM-HMM.
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- MATT: ...THAT KIND OF GAVE
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BIRTH TO THE AZUSA STREET
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REVIVAL...
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- LEON: MM-HMM.
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- MATT: ...AND THERE WAS, YOU
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KNOW, BASICALLY, THOSE, YOU
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KNOW, GIANT MOVES OF THE HOLY
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SPIRIT...
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- LEON: YEAH.
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- MATT: ...WE BASICALLY
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STARTED RELIGIOUS
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"RELIGIOUSIZING," IF THAT'S A
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WORD...
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- LEON: YES...YEAH, WE DID.
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- MATT: ...THOSE TYPES OF
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EVENTS AGAIN.
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SO, NOW THAT WE'VE MAYBE
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STOPPED THE PRESSES FOR A
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SECOND AND SAID, "WAIT A
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SECOND, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A
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CRISIS, LEON UNDERSTANDS THE
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CRISIS, WE JUST THINK WE HAVE
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STARTED TO IDENTIFY THE FIX TO
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IT," HOW DID WE PUT POPES AND
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CARDINALS IN PLACES WHERE WE
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THOUGHT WE HAD GOTTEN AWAY FROM
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THAT 500 YEARS AGO?
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- LEON: YEAH ...THERE'S SO
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MANY AREAS TO GO.
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BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
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THINK IS CRUCIAL IS THAT WE HAD
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A FRESH EXPERIENCE OF THE HOLY
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SPIRIT.
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THEY WOULD CALL IT AN
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OUTPOURING.
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I'M KINDA CAUTIOUS WITH CALLING
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IT AN OUTPOURING, AS THOUGH
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THERE WAS A WITHHOLDING OF HOLY
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SPIRIT.
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I DON'T THINK HOLY SPIRIT EVER
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WITHHOLDS HIMSELF.
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I DON'T THINK HE'S EVER
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STANDING BACK AND GOING, "NO."
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I THINK HE'S LIKE THE TV AND
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RADIO WAVES -- HE'S ALWAYS
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PRESENT.
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IT'S JUST THE DEVICE TO TAP IN.
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- MATT: GOOD.
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- LEON: SO, WE HAD THIS AZUSA
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STREET AND THIS PHENOMENAL
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EXPERIENCING OF HOLY SPIRIT AND
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EXCITEMENT AT PREACHING AND
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TALKING AND MINISTERING.
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WE HAD A RESURGENCE OF-- THE
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PENTECOSTALS WOULD CALL IT THE
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GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT.
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THEN, WE HAD A RESURGENCE OF
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THE PLURALITY OF MINISTRY, THE
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FIVEFOLD MINISTRY, WITH PASTORS
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AND APOSTLES, PROPHETS,
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EVANGELISTS, TEACHERS.
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AND, THEY BEGAN TO RISE UP.
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AND WE JUST HAD AN AMAZING
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THING!
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I MEAN, DENOMINATIONS WENT
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AROUND THE WORLD.
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THIS WAS BEAUTIFUL, PHENOMENAL,
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INCREDIBLE!
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I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN I LOOK
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BACK AT IT THAT THE MANAGERS
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AND THE ADMINISTRATORS OF
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DENOMINATIONS GOT IN AND BEGAN
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TO CROSS EVERY "T," DOT EVERY
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"I" AND MAKE IT RELIGIOUS...
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- MATT: WOW.
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- LEON: ...SO THAT THAT WE
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PULLED AWAY FROM PEOPLE,
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THE EXCITEMENT OF MINISTERING
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WITH HOLY SPIRIT.
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AND, INSTEAD, IN EPHESIANS
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4:11, IT SAYS THE FIVEFOLD
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MINISTRY ARE TO EQUIP THE
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SAINTS TO DO THE WORK OF THE
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MINISTRY.
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- LAURIE: RIGHT.
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- LEON: BUT INSTEAD, PASTORS
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LOVE PRAYING FOR PEOPLE AND
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HAVING FRONTLOAD MINISTRY AT
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THE FRONT; AND PROPHETS LOVE TO
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PROPHESY PERSONAL WORDS TO
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PEOPLE; AND, APOSTLES GET OUT
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AND DO BRAND-NEW THINGS AND
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LIVE THIS ADVENTURE; AND
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TEACHERS WERE EXCITED ABOUT
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TEACHING THE WORD OF GOD.
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BUT-- BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT
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WE'RE TO EQUIP THE SAINTS AND
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THEN WE WERE TO DO THE WORK OF
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THE MINISTRY, WHICH GIVES US
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ALL THE FUN, ALL THE JOY,
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SEEING THE MIRACLES, GETTING
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THE WORDS...
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WE ARE TO BE THE COACHES THAT
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EQUIP THE SAINTS.
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SO, IN A WAY, WE HAVE STOLEN
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MINISTRY FROM THE BODY--
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- MATT: WOW.
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- LEON: --AND WE GET TO RISE
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UP AND GO MINISTER.
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AND IT'S EXCITING!
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I LOVE OPERATING IN THE GIFTS
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AND SEEING GOD DO THINGS
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THROUGH ME!
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BUT I BEGAN TO RECOGNIZE THAT
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I'VE GOTTA HAVE-- WHAT ABOUT MY
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KIDS RISING UP?
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WHAT ABOUT ALL THE YOUNG IN OUR
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CHURCH?
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AND SO, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT,
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IN MANY CASES, WE BEGIN TO-- IF
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YOU WANT HEALING, GO FIND A
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PERSON THAT WE THINK HAS A
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"SPECIAL ANOINTING" WITH
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HEALING.
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WELL, THAT'S NEW TESTAMENT.
00:14:02.140 --> 00:14:03.040
THAT'S OLD TESTAMENT.
00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:04.150
SO, WE'VE GOT BIG ARENAS WHERE
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WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA
00:14:06.020 --> 00:14:07.120
HAVE A SPECIAL HEALING MINISTRY
00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.200
AND WE'VE GOT 17.000 PEOPLE.
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HE MIGHT GET ON STAGE...I DON'T
00:14:10.130 --> 00:14:12.080
KNOW...30, 40, 50, MAYBE EVEN A
00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:13.280
HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO GET A
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MIRACLE.
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WELL, MOST CHURCHES GET LESS
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THAN ONE PER-- THAT'S LESS THAN
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ONE PERCENT WILL GET THAT MANY
00:14:18.210 --> 00:14:19.130
MIRACLES.
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WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT,
00:14:21.110 --> 00:14:23.100
WE BEGAN TO SPECIALIZE.
00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:23.280
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT GOD'S
00:14:23.280 --> 00:14:25.070
DOING IN YOUR LIFE, YOU NEED TO
00:14:25.070 --> 00:14:26.070
HEAR FROM A PROPHET.
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THAT'S OLD TESTAMENT.
00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:28.230
NOWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT DO
00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:29.240
WE GET DIRECTION FROM PROPHETS,
00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.130
EXCEPT FOR CONFIRMATION.
00:14:31.130 --> 00:14:33.220
THEY'LL CONFIRM THINGS WITH
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YOU.
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SO, WE LITERALLY BEGIN TO MIX
00:14:35.170 --> 00:14:37.180
THESE TWO COVENANTS AND WE
00:14:37.180 --> 00:14:38.290
BEGIN TO TAKE THE FIVEFOLD
00:14:38.290 --> 00:14:40.030
MINISTRY AND MAKE THEM THE
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KINGS, THE PRIESTS, AND THE
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PROPHETS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT,
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WHICH STEALS MINISTRY FROM THE
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BODY OF CHRIST!
00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:47.010
- MATT: WOW.
00:14:47.010 --> 00:14:48.060
- LEON: WHAT KID WANTS TO GO
00:14:48.060 --> 00:14:49.080
TO CHURCH AND DO NOTHING?
00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.130
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:14:51.130 --> 00:14:52.080
- LEON: HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM
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GOD!
00:14:52.290 --> 00:14:53.140
HE WANTS TO LAY HANDS ON THE
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SICK.
00:14:54.040 --> 00:14:54.150
HE WANTS TO WALK OVER TO A
00:14:54.150 --> 00:14:55.040
FRIEND AND SENSE THE PRESENCE
00:14:55.040 --> 00:14:56.230
OF GOD AND SAY: "GOD WANTS YOU
00:14:56.230 --> 00:14:57.260
TO KNOW, WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING
00:14:57.260 --> 00:14:59.080
THROUGH RIGHT NOW, HE TOLD ME
00:14:59.080 --> 00:14:59.290
TO TELL YOU IT'S GONNA END.
00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:02.270
AND THE GUY JUST STARTS TO WEEP
00:15:02.270 --> 00:15:03.190
AND CRY BECAUSE IT WAS BODY
00:15:03.190 --> 00:15:04.090
MINISTRY.
00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:08.010
AND WE HEAR THAT TERM.
00:15:08.010 --> 00:15:08.210
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S
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HAPPENING.
00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.100
SO, WE'VE TAUGHT THE GIFTS OF
00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:11.180
THE SPIRIT--
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THE PENTECOSTALS TEACH
00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:12.270
THE NINE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT.
00:15:12.270 --> 00:15:14.240
NOW, THE BAPTIST DON'T EXACTLY
00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:15.260
AGREE WITH THAT.
00:15:15.260 --> 00:15:16.240
PENTECOSTALS SAID WE HAVE TO
00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.100
SPEAK IN TONGUES FIRST AND THE
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BAPTIST HAVE THEIR OWN DOCTRINE
00:15:19.110 --> 00:15:20.060
ON IT.
00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.120
BUT, I THINK THAT EVEN AS
00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:25.010
SPIRIT-FILLED -- IF WE CALL
00:15:25.010 --> 00:15:25.280
OURSELVES THAT -- PENTECOSTALS,
00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:27.110
WE HAVE DEVELOPED THIS
00:15:27.110 --> 00:15:28.010
SYSTEMATIC RELIGIOUS THING THAT
00:15:28.030 --> 00:15:31.030
IF YOU NEED A MIRACLE, GO FIND
00:15:31.030 --> 00:15:32.080
A CONFERENCE WITH A HEALER.
00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:34.080
- MATT: WOW.
00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:34.260
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:35.290
- LEON: IF YOU NEED A WORD, GO
00:15:35.290 --> 00:15:36.210
FIND A PROPHET, GET AROUND HIM.
00:15:36.210 --> 00:15:37.150
AND, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS
00:15:37.150 --> 00:15:38.210
THESE MEN WILL FUNCTION BECAUSE
00:15:38.210 --> 00:15:40.200
HOLY SPIRIT IS IN ALL OF US.
00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:45.280
AND WE CAN FUNCTION.
00:15:45.280 --> 00:15:47.080
BUT, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GONNA
00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:47.290
KILL THEM.
00:15:47.290 --> 00:15:48.170
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:15:48.170 --> 00:15:49.020
- MATT: YEAH.
00:15:49.020 --> 00:15:49.150
- LEON: AND IF WE PUT THEM ON
00:15:49.150 --> 00:15:50.060
A PEDESTAL WHEN THEY FALL -- OR
00:15:50.060 --> 00:15:50.280
"MAKE A MISTAKE" IS A BETTER
00:15:50.280 --> 00:15:51.230
TERM THAN FALL -- WHEN THEY
00:15:51.230 --> 00:15:52.240
MAKE A MISTAKE, WE CRUCIFY THEM
00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:53.160
AND WE ALL BACKSLIDE BECAUSE,
00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:55.170
"OH..."
00:15:55.170 --> 00:15:56.190
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:15:56.190 --> 00:15:57.240
- MATT: OKAY, LET ME SEE...LET
00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:58.160
ME SEE...LET'S TAKE THIS A BITE
00:15:58.160 --> 00:15:59.170
AT A TIME.
00:15:59.170 --> 00:16:00.220
LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT
00:16:00.220 --> 00:16:01.140
YOU JUST SAID.
00:16:01.140 --> 00:16:02.130
- LEON: OKAY.
00:16:02.130 --> 00:16:03.090
- MATT: OKAY.
00:16:03.090 --> 00:16:05.170
SO, YOU JUST SAID THAT IN ONE
00:16:05.170 --> 00:16:06.080
SENSE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THE
00:16:06.180 --> 00:16:09.180
FIVEFOLD MINISTRY GIFTS AND
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WE'VE KIND OF TREATED THEM LIKE
00:16:12.190 --> 00:16:15.190
THE OLD TESTAMENT KING,
00:16:15.190 --> 00:16:18.160
PROPHET, AND PRIEST...
00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:19.290
- LEON: YEAH.
00:16:19.290 --> 00:16:21.020
- MATT: AND WE'VE ELEVATED THE
00:16:21.020 --> 00:16:21.240
FIVEFOLD MINISTRY GIFTS AND
00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:22.280
PEOPLE.
00:16:23.140 --> 00:16:26.140
THEY'VE BECOME PROFESSIONAL, OR
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LET'S SAY CARDINALS OR POPES,
00:16:28.290 --> 00:16:29.270
IN THOSE ARENAS WHEN ALL THEY
00:16:30.130 --> 00:16:33.130
ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IS
00:16:33.130 --> 00:16:35.070
EQUIPPING THE AVERAGE PERSON TO
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DO IT.
00:16:35.290 --> 00:16:38.000
- LEON: RIGHT.
00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:38.140
- MATT: IS THAT KIND OF WHAT
00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:39.050
YOU JUST SAID?
00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:39.210
- LEON: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
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I'M SAYING.
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- MATT: OKAY.
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- LEON: AND THEN, WHEN OUR
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CHURCHES DRY UP, WE PUT THEM ON
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THE MISSION FIELD WITH YWAM AND
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OTHER GROUPS TO GIVE THEM A
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SENSE AND A TASTE OF MINISTRY,
00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:45.260
WHICH THEY BEGIN TO WITNESS,
00:16:45.260 --> 00:16:47.240
THEY BEGIN TO PRAY FOR IT, THEY
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BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT ALL THESE--
00:16:48.270 --> 00:16:49.190
THEN THEY COME HOME AND IT
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STOPS.
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- LAURIE: RIGHT.
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- MATT: OKAY, SO, WHEN
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DID...WHEN DID YOU SEE THAT
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HAPPENING, AND SPIRIT
00:16:56.170 --> 00:16:59.170
CONTEMPORARY IS, IN ESSENCE,
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REVERSING THAT, IS THAT KIND OF
00:17:00.260 --> 00:17:01.210
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?
00:17:01.210 --> 00:17:03.200
- LEON: YES.
00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:04.070
- MATT: OR, AT LEAST ONE OF
00:17:04.070 --> 00:17:04.290
THE PIECES OF IT.
00:17:04.290 --> 00:17:07.210
- LEON: IT'S A STORY THAT I
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TELL OFTEN BECAUSE IT REALLY
00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:09.110
HELPS ME.
00:17:09.110 --> 00:17:10.110
IN MY DAD'S CHURCH, WE WOULD
00:17:10.110 --> 00:17:11.020
PRAY FOR THE CHURCH AT THE END
00:17:11.020 --> 00:17:12.050
OF THE SERVICE, BRING THEM DOWN
00:17:12.050 --> 00:17:12.270
TO THE FRONT.
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AND WE WOULD MINISTER TO THE
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SICK CHRISTIANS,
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DISENFRANCHISED CHRISTIANS,
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MARRIAGES STRUGGLING, YOU KNOW,
00:17:18.170 --> 00:17:19.270
MINDS STRESSED OUT, AND GOD
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WOULD JUST MOVE IN A GREAT WAY.
00:17:21.120 --> 00:17:24.060
'CAUSE IF YOU'VE TAUGHT THE
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WORD -- SIGNS FOLLOW THE
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TEACHINGS OF GOD'S WORD.
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WE'D ALWAYS GET MIRACLES!
00:17:29.020 --> 00:17:30.010
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
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I WAS RAISED LIKE THAT.
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BUT WHEN I BECAME A PARAMEDIC--
00:17:32.130 --> 00:17:34.010
AND THEN, MY DAD AND MUM NEVER
00:17:34.010 --> 00:17:36.020
WENT INTO THESE EXCESSES, BUT
00:17:36.020 --> 00:17:37.060
WE WOULD BRING IN SPEAKERS.
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AND THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN
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SONGS.
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"WHEN I GO TO MINISTER TO
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PEOPLE, PLEASE ONLY DO..." --
00:17:43.230 --> 00:17:44.250
I'LL MAKE ONE UP -- "'HE
00:17:44.250 --> 00:17:45.230
TOUCHED ME.'"
00:17:45.230 --> 00:17:47.000
OR "SHACKLED BY A HEAVY
00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:47.270
BURDEN."
00:17:47.270 --> 00:17:48.190
OR THAT WAS THE SONG THAT THE
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ANOINTING WOULD FLOW WITH.
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AND THEN, WE COULDN'T TALK TO
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THEM BEFORE THE SERVICE BECAUSE
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THEY WANTED TO BE IN A
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GREENROOM, UNTOUCHED.
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THEY DIDN'T WANT TO COME OUT
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DURING THE WORSHIP AND
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PRAISE BECAUSE IT MIGHT JUST
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KIND OF CHANGE THE ANOINTING ON
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THEIR LIFE.
00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:02.070
AND, THEY-- THEY JUST ALWAYS
00:18:02.070 --> 00:18:03.090
TALKED ABOUT THIS ANOINTING,
00:18:03.090 --> 00:18:04.160
THIS ELUSIVE ANOINTING THAT
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MIGHT COME AND MIGHT NOT COME,
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MIGHT HEAL AND MIGHT NOT HEAL,
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MIGHT GIVE A WORD AND MIGHT NOT
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GIVE A WORD.
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SO-- BUT, WE KIND OF WORKED AS
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BEST AS WE KNEW HOW AND I THINK
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THE CHURCH -- AND I LOVE THE
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CHURCH, I DON'T EVER WANNA BASH
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THE CHURCH -- I THINK IT WAS A
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BEAUTIFUL RESTORATION AND WE
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JUST NEED TO MOVE ON TO THAT
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NEXT LEVEL.
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SO, WHEN I BECAME A PARAMEDIC
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-- I'LL NEVER FORGET -- ONE OF
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MY EARLIER CALLS WAS GOING
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ABOUT 45 MINUTES OUT INTO THE
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BUSH, TOWARDS THE BEACHES,
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OUTSIDE OF WINNIPEG.
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AND, THERE WAS A CAR UPSIDE
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DOWN IN THE DITCH.
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AND THERE WAS A MUM HANGING BY
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A SEATBELT.
00:18:37.060 --> 00:18:37.250
ONE BABY'S DEAD IN THE WATER;
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THE OTHER ONE'S HANGING AND
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DIED A LITTLE BIT LATER.
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AND, IT WAS DARK OUT -- THREE
00:18:43.250 --> 00:18:44.280
IN THE MORNING.
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WE GOT THE SEARCH LIGHTS ON THE
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CAR.
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YOU COULD SEE THE RED AND BLUE
00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:49.030
LIGHTS FLASHING IN THE TREES.
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I'M BY MYSELF, EXCEPT FOR THE
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DRIVER.
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AND AS I STEP OUT OF THE
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AMBULANCE, ALL I CAN HEAR IS
00:18:51.260 --> 00:18:53.130
THE GROANS AND THE CRYING OF
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THIS MUM; SHE COULDN'T GET HER
00:18:54.210 --> 00:18:56.050
SEATBELT OFF.
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AND SO, SHE'S SITTING THERE AND
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WATCHING ONE CHILD DIE IN THE
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WATER AND THE OTHER ONE DIED A
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LITTLE LATER FROM THE TRAUMA OF
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THIS ROLLOVER.
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AND AS I STEPPED OUT OF THE
00:19:03.030 --> 00:19:04.080
AMBULANCE, YOU KNOW HOW YOU
00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:05.210
CAN-- YOUR MIND CAN GO THROUGH
00:19:05.210 --> 00:19:07.080
AN ENTIRE DAY IN A MILLISECOND?
00:19:07.080 --> 00:19:08.270
- LAURIE: MM-HMMM.
00:19:08.270 --> 00:19:10.110
- LEON: I STEPPED OUT AND I
00:19:10.110 --> 00:19:12.150
COULD HEAR CRYING AND I KNEW
00:19:12.150 --> 00:19:13.160
THAT BABY WAS GONE 'CAUSE IT
00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:14.280
WAS FACE DOWN IN THE WATER.
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AND THEN, MY HEART JUST BROKE;
00:19:16.060 --> 00:19:17.190
I WAS A NEW DAD.
00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:18.270
AND, SOMETHING INSIDE OF ME --
00:19:18.270 --> 00:19:21.090
IT'S LIKE HOLY SPIRITS BEGAN TO
00:19:21.090 --> 00:19:22.010
SPEAK TO ME AND TRYING TO WALK
00:19:22.010 --> 00:19:23.190
ME THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE, I
00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:25.170
DIDN'T HAVE ANY WORSHIP AND
00:19:25.170 --> 00:19:27.290
PRAISE MUSIC WITH ME.
00:19:27.290 --> 00:19:28.280
- MATT: WOW.
00:19:28.280 --> 00:19:31.130
- LEON: JUST THE
00:19:31.130 --> 00:19:31.290
SOUNDS OF GROANING AND
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THE AMBULANCES IN THE DISTANCE
00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:33.140
OF MORE POLICE WERE COMING.
00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:34.040
MORE AMBULANCES WERE COMING.
00:19:34.040 --> 00:19:36.100
SO, THERE WAS NOTHING TO "SET
00:19:36.100 --> 00:19:37.210
THE MOOD."
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- LAURIE: MMH...
00:19:39.080 --> 00:19:41.040
- LEON: THERE WAS NOTHING
00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:42.110
THERE FOR PEOPLE TO USHER, WHO
00:19:42.110 --> 00:19:43.150
COULD CONTROL THE SCENE AND
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MAKE SURE NO ONE TOUCHED ME AND
00:19:44.170 --> 00:19:45.230
THAT I HAD THIS PROTECTIVE
00:19:45.230 --> 00:19:46.190
LITTLE ZONE TO LET THE
00:19:46.190 --> 00:19:48.100
ANOINTING FALL ON ME TO GO
00:19:48.100 --> 00:19:49.100
MINISTER TO PEOPLE.
00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:50.190
INSTEAD, I WALKED--
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- MATT: WOW.
00:19:52.120 --> 00:19:52.290
- LEON: I REMEMBER STEPPING.
00:19:52.290 --> 00:19:54.020
I HAD A BRAND-NEW PAIR OF BLACK
00:19:54.020 --> 00:19:55.120
SHOES.
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JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, LACE-
00:19:57.220 --> 00:19:58.110
UP.
00:19:58.110 --> 00:19:59.070
I REMEMBER STEPPING INTO THAT
00:19:59.070 --> 00:20:00.000
COLD WATER; CAME UP TO MY
00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:00.220
ANKLES.
00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:01.210
AND I CAN SEE THE BLOOD FROM
00:20:01.210 --> 00:20:02.200
THE BRIGHT LIGHTS ALL THROUGH
00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:03.110
THE WATER AS I'M WALKING.
00:20:03.110 --> 00:20:04.000
IT WAS MY JOB TO GO IN FIRST,
00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.050
INTO THAT CAR.
00:20:05.050 --> 00:20:07.100
AND I WOULD HAVE TO GET IN.
00:20:07.100 --> 00:20:08.080
THEN I WOULD HAVE TO IMMOBILIZE
00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:09.270
NECKS, AIRWAYS AND THEN WE
00:20:09.270 --> 00:20:11.150
WOULD EXTRICATE.
00:20:11.150 --> 00:20:12.000
AND AS I'M GOING THROUGH, MY
00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.170
BRAIN IS GOING: WHERE'S THE
00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:15.030
ANOINTING?
00:20:15.030 --> 00:20:15.200
WHERE'S THE PRESENCE OF GOD?
00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:16.240
I DON'T HAVE CATCHERS.
00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.000
I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO STAND IN
00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.090
A BIG CIRCLE, LIKE THE
00:20:19.090 --> 00:20:20.210
CONGREGATION, AND WORSHIP WITH
00:20:20.210 --> 00:20:22.020
THEIR HANDS IN THE AIR AND SEE
00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:22.240
GOD DO MIRACLES.
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NONE OF THAT WAS THERE!
00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:25.180
AND I JUST REALIZED IN THIS
00:20:25.180 --> 00:20:26.260
INSTANTANEOUS MASSIVE EPIPHANY:
00:20:26.260 --> 00:20:29.150
THIS DOESN'T WORK ON THE
00:20:29.150 --> 00:20:30.160
STREETS!
00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.150
- MATT: WOW...WOW.
00:20:31.150 --> 00:20:32.230
- LAURIE: MMM...
00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:33.180
- LEON: IT ONLY WORKS IN
00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:34.070
CHURCHES.
00:20:34.070 --> 00:20:35.030
- MATT: IN CHURCH.
00:20:35.030 --> 00:20:35.220
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:36.100
- LEON: WHICH IS FINE.
00:20:36.100 --> 00:20:37.030
WE STILL DO THAT.
00:20:37.030 --> 00:20:37.270
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:20:37.270 --> 00:20:38.210
- LEON: BUT WE TEACH IT FOR
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THE STREETS.
00:20:39.120 --> 00:20:40.020
THAT AND A NUMBER OF OTHER
00:20:40.020 --> 00:20:42.120
HORRIBLE THINGS THAT TOOK
00:20:42.120 --> 00:20:44.110
PLACE, AS I BEGAN TO WALK
00:20:44.110 --> 00:20:45.180
THROUGH THE PAIN AND THE
00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:47.020
HEARTACHE OF PEOPLE IN THIS
00:20:47.020 --> 00:20:48.140
WORLD THAT WE'VE BEEN SENT
00:20:48.140 --> 00:20:50.110
TO -- SALT AND LIGHT -- I
00:20:50.110 --> 00:20:51.170
REALIZED I WASN'T TRAINING
00:20:51.170 --> 00:20:52.190
NURSES, I WASN'T TRAINING
00:20:52.190 --> 00:20:53.190
DOCTORS PROPERLY.
00:20:53.190 --> 00:20:55.110
THAT MUM -- I WASN'T TRAINING
00:20:55.110 --> 00:20:56.060
HER PROPERLY TO PRAYER WITH
00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:58.290
THAT KID THEY SAID WAS GONNA
00:20:58.290 --> 00:20:59.220
DIE.
00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:00.240
I WASN'T PROPERLY TEACHING THEM
00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.160
HOW TO SENSE WHEN THEY KNEW
00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:02.110
WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THEIR
00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:03.030
KIDS.
00:21:03.030 --> 00:21:03.200
HOLY SPIRIT WILL GUIDE US, LEAD
00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.000
US, FLOW THROUGH US.
00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.170
BUT WE HAD-- WE HAD SIMPLY BEEN
00:21:07.170 --> 00:21:08.100
SETTING IT UP.
00:21:08.100 --> 00:21:09.250
AND IT'S ALL WE KNEW FOR THE
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CHURCH.
00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:12.150
EVERYONE COMES TO CHURCH.
00:21:12.150 --> 00:21:13.280
IT'S THE TEMPLE OF GOD, THE
00:21:13.280 --> 00:21:14.230
HOUSE OF GOD, THE HOUSE OF
00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:15.200
PRAYER.
00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.050
IT'S THE HOUSE OF HEALING, IT'S
00:21:17.050 --> 00:21:18.030
THE HOUSE OF MINISTRY, IT'S THE
00:21:18.030 --> 00:21:19.080
PLACE TO COME.
00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:20.210
AND IT STILL IS BECAUSE IT'S--
00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:21.180
BUT, EVERYONE THAT WALKS OUT OF
00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:24.040
OUR CHURCHES HAS GOT TO KNOW
00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:25.030
HOW.
00:21:25.030 --> 00:21:27.000
BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS: "AS
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:28.050
MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT
00:21:28.050 --> 00:21:28.260
OF GOD, THESE ARE THE SONS OF
00:21:28.260 --> 00:21:30.040
GOD."
00:21:30.040 --> 00:21:30.190
AND FROM THAT POINT ON, I
00:21:30.190 --> 00:21:33.040
LITERALLY TURNED MY BACK -- NOT
00:21:33.040 --> 00:21:34.100
IN A BAD WAY -- ON EVERYTHING
00:21:34.100 --> 00:21:35.010
THAT I HAD BEEN TAUGHT ABOUT
00:21:38.020 --> 00:21:41.020
THE ANOINTING -- WHICH IS SO
00:21:41.020 --> 00:21:41.220
OLD TESTAMENT -- BECAUSE, JESUS
00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:42.150
IS THE ANOINTED ONE AND HE'S
00:21:42.150 --> 00:21:43.100
INSIDE OF US.
00:21:43.100 --> 00:21:45.250
AND I DON'T BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT
00:21:45.250 --> 00:21:46.170
EVER SAYS, "OHP! NO GIFTS
00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:47.180
TODAY!"
00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:48.060
- MATT: WOW.
00:21:48.060 --> 00:21:48.270
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:21:48.270 --> 00:21:49.170
- LEON: I DON'T BELIEVE HOLY
00:21:49.170 --> 00:21:50.080
SPIRIT, EVER, IF YOU WERE
00:21:50.080 --> 00:21:52.270
MINISTERING TO ME AND I NEEDED
00:21:52.270 --> 00:21:53.200
SO-- I DON'T THINK HOLY SPIRIT,
00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:54.120
"OH, NO -- YOU CAN'T GIVE LEON
00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:55.130
ANY KIND OF A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE
00:21:55.130 --> 00:21:56.180
OR KNOW ANYTHING TO HELP HIM
00:21:56.180 --> 00:21:57.090
OUT."
00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.220
I DON'T THINK HE EVER DOES
00:22:00.220 --> 00:22:01.130
THAT.
00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:02.020
I THINK PEOPLE JUST GET GOOD AT
00:22:02.020 --> 00:22:03.030
DEVELOPING THE SKILLS TO SENSE
00:22:03.030 --> 00:22:04.000
HIM.
00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:04.220
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:22:04.220 --> 00:22:06.210
- LEON: WE ALL HAVE THE HOLY
00:22:06.210 --> 00:22:07.120
SPIRIT.
00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:08.110
- MATT: I THINK, IF I'M
00:22:08.110 --> 00:22:09.090
UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, THIS NEXT
00:22:09.090 --> 00:22:12.030
PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
00:22:12.030 --> 00:22:13.110
HERE IS THAT IN ONE SENSE, WE
00:22:17.150 --> 00:22:20.150
HAVE PUT GIFTS INSIDE OF
00:22:20.150 --> 00:22:22.190
CERTAIN PEOPLE ON A PEDESTAL SO
00:22:22.190 --> 00:22:24.290
THAT A CONGREGATION MEMBER
00:22:24.290 --> 00:22:26.080
SAYS: I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANCE
00:22:27.010 --> 00:22:30.010
OF SEEING A MIRACLE AT MY
00:22:30.010 --> 00:22:31.210
OFFICE PLACE.
00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:32.050
- LEON: RIGHT...EXACTLY.
00:22:32.050 --> 00:22:34.000
- MATT: I DON'T HAVE ANY
00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:34.210
CHANCE OF SEEING A MIRACLE AT
00:22:34.210 --> 00:22:35.120
THE GROCERY STORE.
00:22:35.120 --> 00:22:36.000
I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANCE OF THAT
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.230
HAPPENING.
00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:38.150
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A, YOU
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.160
KNOW, 501(C)(3) CORPORATION.
00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.200
- LEON: RIGHT.
00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:45.050
- MATT: AND I DON'T HAVE ORGAN
00:22:45.050 --> 00:22:45.270
MUSIC FOLLOWING ME AROUND.
00:22:45.270 --> 00:22:47.250
- LEON: RIGHT.
00:22:47.250 --> 00:22:48.290
- MATT: AND WE HAVE BASICALLY
00:22:48.290 --> 00:22:50.100
LIMITED THE UNDERSTANDING OF
00:22:50.100 --> 00:22:52.050
"EQUIPPING THE SAINTS" BY
00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.000
PUTTING CERTAIN GIFTS IN
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.110
CERTAIN MINISTRIES UP ON
00:22:58.110 --> 00:22:59.100
PEDESTALS...
00:22:59.100 --> 00:23:01.130
- LEON: YEP...YEP.
00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:03.080
- MATT: ...AND GIVING THIS
00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:05.010
DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LEADERS
00:23:05.010 --> 00:23:05.220
AND THE FOLLOWERS AND THE SHEEP
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:07.040
AND THE SHEPHERD.
00:23:07.040 --> 00:23:09.250
AND THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR THE
00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:10.290
REST OF US--
00:23:10.290 --> 00:23:12.110
- LEON: NO.
00:23:12.110 --> 00:23:13.220
- MATT: --TO SEE ANYTHING
00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:14.190
HAPPEN OUTSIDE--
00:23:14.190 --> 00:23:15.200
- LEON: NO.
00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.150
THAT'S BOREDOM!
00:23:16.150 --> 00:23:16.290
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:23:16.290 --> 00:23:17.270
- MATT: --WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED
00:23:17.270 --> 00:23:19.100
TO BE EQUIPPING THE SAINTS.
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.160
- LEON: YES.
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:23.290
- MATT: SO, WE'RE TALKIN'
00:23:23.290 --> 00:23:24.190
ABOUT TAKING THE HOLY SPIRIT
00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:27.250
AND SEEING HIM ACTIVATED IN
00:23:27.250 --> 00:23:30.060
EVERYONE'S LIFE.
00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:30.290
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT IT
00:23:30.290 --> 00:23:31.260
FEELS LIKE, LEON,
00:23:31.260 --> 00:23:34.160
YOU'RE GIVING A CONTEMPORARY
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:35.270
VERBIAGE TO WHAT
00:23:38.010 --> 00:23:41.010
THE FULL GOSPEL BUSINESS
00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:41.200
MEN'S FELLOWSHIP WAS SAYING
00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:42.280
AND BROTHER DEMOS SHAKARIAN WAS
00:23:42.280 --> 00:23:44.000
SAYING TO LAYPEOPLE FOR YEARS.
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.090
- DAVID: YES.
00:23:45.090 --> 00:23:47.110
HE SAYS--
00:23:47.110 --> 00:23:48.020
- MATT: IF YOU JUST TUNED IN,
00:23:48.020 --> 00:23:49.080
WE'RE GETTING IN DEEP INTO A
00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:50.210
SUBJECT CALLED SPIRIT
00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:51.250
CONTEMPORARY.
00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:54.280
WHAT IS IT?
00:23:54.280 --> 00:23:56.290
WE'VE BEEN TALKIN' ABOUT A HALF
00:23:56.290 --> 00:23:58.040
AN HOUR.
00:23:58.040 --> 00:23:58.280
LEON FONTAINE IS OUR GUEST.
00:23:58.280 --> 00:24:00.240
THE MIRACLE CHANNEL IS IN
00:24:01.090 --> 00:24:04.090
CANADA.
00:24:04.090 --> 00:24:05.050
LEON IS THE CEO OF MIRACLE
00:24:05.050 --> 00:24:07.150
CHANNEL.
00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:08.130
SEVEN MILLION HOMES ARE SEEING
00:24:08.130 --> 00:24:10.170
CHRISTIAN TELEVISION IN CANADA
00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:13.230
BECAUSE OF THE MIRACLE CHANNEL.
00:24:13.230 --> 00:24:14.150
A LOT OF THAT IS THE TBN
00:24:14.150 --> 00:24:15.220
TBN AIRS LEON'S PROGRAM FRIDAYS
00:24:18.080 --> 00:24:19.230
AT 9:30 PACIFIC TIME ON TBN.
00:24:20.030 --> 00:24:23.030
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, TAKE A
00:24:23.030 --> 00:24:24.160
PEEK AT THIS SHORT CLIP.
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.200
WHEN WE GET BACK, WE'RE GETTING
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:28.070
MORE INTO SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY
00:24:28.070 --> 00:24:29.290
- LEON: APOSTLE PAUL SAID IT'S
00:24:34.020 --> 00:24:34.240
A STUMBLING BLOCK.
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:35.290
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.
00:24:35.290 --> 00:24:37.150
IF YOU THINK JESUS WAS A LITTLE
00:24:37.150 --> 00:24:38.070
WIMP IN FLIP-FLOPS AND A DRESS
00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:41.080
WITH LONG HAIR, YOU'RE
00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:42.070
MISTAKEN.
00:24:42.070 --> 00:24:45.010
BECAUSE, HE SAYS IN JOHN,
00:24:45.010 --> 00:24:45.200
CHAPTER 10: NOBODY TAKES MY
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.090
LIFE...NOBODY.
00:24:47.090 --> 00:24:49.110
I GIVE IT.
00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:52.170
HE DIED SO THAT HE COULD DIE
00:24:52.170 --> 00:24:54.280
FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND.
00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:57.100
YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE FOR YOU,
00:24:57.100 --> 00:24:58.050
INDIVIDUALLY, HE TOOK YOUR SIN,
00:24:58.050 --> 00:25:00.290
HE TOOK THE CURSE THAT GOES
00:25:00.290 --> 00:25:02.160
WITH IT SO THAT YOU COULD
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.160
EXPERIENCE GOD FREELY WITHOUT
00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:08.180
HAVING TO PERFORM AND CLEAN UP
00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:10.120
YOUR OWN LIFE.
00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:12.260
HIS POWER NOW RESIDES IN THE
00:25:12.260 --> 00:25:15.180
HEARTS OF ANYONE WHO ASKS HIM
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.190
TO COME IN.
00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:20.120
AND WHEN HE COMES INTO OUR
00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:22.210
LIVES BECAUSE OF WHAT TOOK
00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:23.250
PLACE ON THE CROSS, YOUR SINS
00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:26.010
- MATT: LEON FONTAINE IS WITH
00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:30.090
US ON THE "PRAISE THE LORD"
00:25:30.090 --> 00:25:32.000
PROGRAM, COMING TO YOU FROM
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.030
THIS BEAUTIFUL LOCATION HERE IN
00:25:34.030 --> 00:25:34.290
TEXAS.
00:25:34.290 --> 00:25:37.280
LET'S CONTINUE WITH SPIRIT
00:25:37.280 --> 00:25:38.170
YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:43.100
COACHING.
00:25:43.100 --> 00:25:44.140
CAN YOU IMAGINE GOING TO A
00:25:44.140 --> 00:25:45.110
FOOTBALL GAME AND ALL THE
00:25:45.110 --> 00:25:46.000
COACHES ARE ON THE FIELD AND
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:46.210
ALL THE PLAYERS ARE IN UNIFORMS
00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:48.040
SITTING THERE WATCHING THEM?
00:25:48.050 --> 00:25:51.050
AND THAT POTBELLIED COACH
00:25:51.050 --> 00:25:51.240
OVER THERE IS THROWING TO
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.020
HIS DEFENSIVE COACH AND THE
00:25:53.020 --> 00:25:53.290
AND THEY'RE PLAYING
00:25:55.280 --> 00:25:56.140
THE OTHER TEAM.
00:25:56.140 --> 00:25:56.280
AND THE TEAM NEVER GETS ON THE
00:25:56.280 --> 00:25:58.120
FIELD.
00:25:58.120 --> 00:25:58.290
- MATT: WOW.
00:25:58.290 --> 00:25:59.150
- LEON: THEY WON'T PLAY ON
00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:00.070
THAT TEAM VERY LONG.
00:26:00.070 --> 00:26:02.060
BUT THAT'S THE PICTURE THAT ALL
00:26:02.060 --> 00:26:02.280
OF US PASTORS HAVE BEEN TRAINED
00:26:02.280 --> 00:26:03.200
WITH IS WE HAVE TO GO DO THE
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:04.290
WORK OF THE MINISTRY.
00:26:04.290 --> 00:26:05.280
- MATT: WOW...
00:26:05.280 --> 00:26:07.100
- LEON: AND THEN THE ONES WHO
00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:08.110
KIND OF GET IT HALF RIGHT,
00:26:08.110 --> 00:26:09.190
WHERE THEY WANNA BEGIN TO LOOK
00:26:09.190 --> 00:26:10.260
AFTER THEIR TEAM, THEY'RE OUT
00:26:10.260 --> 00:26:12.050
WITH THE SICK AND THE INJURED
00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:13.230
PLAYERS.
00:26:17.210 --> 00:26:20.210
SO, THEY'RE LOOKING
00:26:20.210 --> 00:26:21.070
AFTER-- WHICH THE CHURCH IS
00:26:21.070 --> 00:26:22.120
SUPPOSED TO DO -- HURTING
00:26:22.120 --> 00:26:23.080
PEOPLE, SICK PEOPLE, BROKEN
00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:23.280
MARRIAGE -- ALL THE HURTING
00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:24.180
CHRISTIANS.
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.070
WE GOT PASTORS WHO ARE--
00:26:25.070 --> 00:26:26.060
BUT IF A COACH ONLY WENT AND
00:26:26.060 --> 00:26:26.260
LOOKED AFTER THE HURTING
00:26:26.260 --> 00:26:27.260
PLAYERS, IS THAT TEAM EVER
00:26:27.260 --> 00:26:29.050
GONNA WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP?
00:26:29.050 --> 00:26:30.010
NO.
00:26:33.050 --> 00:26:36.050
SO, SOMEHOW, WHENEVER
00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:38.270
I GET AROUND PASTORS, I DO
00:26:38.270 --> 00:26:39.180
PASTORS' CONFERENCES, I'M
00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:40.170
GIVING THE DETAILS OF "HOW CAN
00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:41.210
WE BEGIN TO MAKE THIS
00:26:41.210 --> 00:26:42.080
TRANSITION?"
00:26:42.080 --> 00:26:42.270
WHERE YOU BEGIN TO COACH A
00:26:42.270 --> 00:26:43.200
PHENOMENAL STAR TEAM THAT'S
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.190
GOING TO DO INCREDIBLE THINGS.
00:26:46.190 --> 00:26:47.100
- MATT: WOW.
00:26:47.100 --> 00:26:47.270
- LEON: SO--
00:26:47.270 --> 00:26:48.220
GO AHEAD.
00:26:48.220 --> 00:26:49.080
- LAURIE: YEAH, YOU KNOW, I
00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:49.280
JUST THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT
00:26:49.280 --> 00:26:52.030
THAT, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF US
00:26:52.030 --> 00:26:53.060
GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAYS AND
00:26:53.060 --> 00:26:54.150
THEN, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE
00:26:54.150 --> 00:26:57.060
WEEK, WE LIVE OUR LIFE AND THEN
00:26:57.060 --> 00:26:57.290
WE COME BACK IN HERE.
00:26:57.290 --> 00:27:00.130
BUT THERE'S NO POWER IN OUR
00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:01.030
LIVES ON THAT DAY-TO-DAY THING.
00:27:01.030 --> 00:27:02.060
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
00:27:03.140 --> 00:27:06.140
SPEAKING OF -- WHERE THE HOLY
00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:07.050
SPIRIT IS WITH US ALL THE TIME.
00:27:07.050 --> 00:27:08.080
HE NEVER LEAVES US, HE NEVER
00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:09.130
FORSAKES US, HE'S WITH US
00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:13.180
WHEREVER WE GO -- FOR EVERY
00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:14.140
SITUATION.
00:27:14.140 --> 00:27:15.000
FOR THE SITUATION WHERE THE
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.100
FRIEND CALLS AND HER AND HER
00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:17.220
HUSBAND HAVE HAD A FIGHT.
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:19.070
OR, "MY KID IS SICK," OR "MY"--
00:27:19.070 --> 00:27:20.030
YOU KNOW?
00:27:20.030 --> 00:27:21.280
AND JUST TO HAVE JUST THE
00:27:21.280 --> 00:27:23.200
CLARITY OF MIND OR THE UNCTION
00:27:25.050 --> 00:27:28.050
OF THAT STILL SMALL VOICE
00:27:28.050 --> 00:27:29.150
INSIDE OF OUR HEARTS THAT SAYS:
00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:31.110
JUST SAY THIS.
00:27:31.110 --> 00:27:33.130
WELL, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW
00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:35.220
POWERFUL THAT CAN BE IN
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:36.260
SOMEBODY'S LIFE.
00:27:36.260 --> 00:27:37.150
- MATT: SURE.
00:27:37.150 --> 00:27:38.160
- LEON: YEAH.
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:39.140
- LAURIE: THAT CAN CHANGE
00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:40.040
THEIR WORLD, YOU KNOW, WITH
00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:42.120
JUST STEPPING OUT AND SAYING
00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:45.090
THOSE THINGS THAT COME INTO
00:27:45.090 --> 00:27:45.290
YOUR HEART.
00:27:45.290 --> 00:27:46.250
BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WITH
00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:47.170
US.
00:27:47.170 --> 00:27:48.000
AND, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.080
SPEAKING ABOUT--
00:27:49.080 --> 00:27:49.230
- LEON: YES.
00:27:49.230 --> 00:27:50.210
- LAURIE: --THAT WE DON'T NEED
00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:51.130
THE ORGAN AND THE CHOIR MUSIC
00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:52.040
AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THAT
00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:52.230
SPEAKER UP THERE.
00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:53.270
IT'S NOT JUST FOR YOU, LEON.
00:27:53.270 --> 00:27:55.020
- LEON: YEAH.
00:27:55.020 --> 00:27:55.200
- LAURIE: IT'S NOT JUST FOR MY
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.120
PASTOR.
00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:56.230
IT'S NOT JUST FOR THESE BIG
00:27:56.230 --> 00:27:57.130
MINISTRIES.
00:27:57.130 --> 00:27:59.160
IT'S FOR US.
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.060
WE HAVE JUST AS MUCH AS THEY
00:28:00.060 --> 00:28:03.040
DO, IF WE'LL LEAN INTO IT AND
00:28:03.040 --> 00:28:04.120
ACCEPT IT AND WALK IN IT.
00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:07.080
IT'S A "FREELY YOU HAVE
00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:08.270
RECEIVED AND FREELY GIVE."
00:28:08.270 --> 00:28:10.050
- LEON: YES.
00:28:10.050 --> 00:28:11.060
- LAURIE: THAT'S TO ALL OF US.
00:28:11.060 --> 00:28:12.010
- LEON: YEAH, AND I THINK THE
00:28:12.010 --> 00:28:13.000
OTHER THING THAT WE'VE MADE A
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.030
MISTAKE IN DOING IS TO
00:28:14.030 --> 00:28:14.250
EXAGGERATE THE THINGS THAT GOD
00:28:14.250 --> 00:28:17.170
DOES THROUGH US TO INSPIRE THE
00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:19.130
PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH.
00:28:19.130 --> 00:28:20.130
- MATT: MMH.
00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:21.220
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:22.290
- LEON: SO, IF I SAY:
00:28:22.290 --> 00:28:24.170
SOMETHING AMAZING HAPPENED TO
00:28:24.170 --> 00:28:25.080
ME ON MONDAY!
00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:26.010
I WENT TO A STARBUCKS AND THERE
00:28:26.010 --> 00:28:26.290
WAS A MAN SITTING ACROSS THE
00:28:26.290 --> 00:28:27.230
WAY.
00:28:27.230 --> 00:28:29.100
AND, THE LORD JUST SHOWED ME:
00:28:29.100 --> 00:28:30.040
YOU GO TALK TO HIM.
00:28:30.040 --> 00:28:31.130
HIS WIFE IS DYING.
00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:32.120
YOU'RE GONNA PRAY FOR HIM.
00:28:32.120 --> 00:28:33.090
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:28:33.090 --> 00:28:34.010
- LEON: AND SHE'S GONNA BE
00:28:34.010 --> 00:28:34.210
HEALED.
00:28:34.210 --> 00:28:35.110
AND, THEY'RE ALL GOING, "OH,
00:28:35.110 --> 00:28:36.080
MY!"
00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:37.010
BUT, REALLY, THE TRUTH IS THAT
00:28:37.010 --> 00:28:39.030
WHEN YOU WALKED IN THERE, YOU
00:28:39.030 --> 00:28:39.240
SENSED HOLY SPIRIT PULL YOU TO
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.100
THAT GUY.
00:28:41.100 --> 00:28:42.010
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:28:42.010 --> 00:28:42.240
- LEON: AND YOU SAT DOWN WITH
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.150
HIM.
00:28:43.150 --> 00:28:44.010
AND IT WASN'T AS EXCITING,
00:28:44.010 --> 00:28:44.230
'CAUSE AS YOU TALKED WITH HIM
00:28:44.230 --> 00:28:45.190
YOU FOUND OUT THAT HIS WIFE WAS
00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:47.020
DYING.
00:28:47.020 --> 00:28:47.250
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:49.030
- LEON: AND, WE ADD SO MUCH
00:28:49.030 --> 00:28:50.150
HOLLYWOOD TO WHAT--
00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:51.280
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:52.150
- MATT: WOW.
00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:53.090
- LAURIE: AND GOOFY.
00:28:53.090 --> 00:28:54.050
- MATT: WOW.
00:28:54.050 --> 00:28:54.250
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:28:54.250 --> 00:28:55.100
- LEON: AND WHEN WE DO THAT,
00:28:55.100 --> 00:28:56.010
WHAT WE DON'T REALIZE IS WE ARE
00:28:56.010 --> 00:28:56.230
TELLING EVERYBODY IN THE
00:28:56.230 --> 00:28:57.230
AUDITORIUM, "I COULD NEVER DO
00:28:57.230 --> 00:28:58.140
THAT."
00:28:58.140 --> 00:28:58.260
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:28:58.260 --> 00:28:59.110
- MATT: YEAH.
00:28:59.110 --> 00:28:59.280
- LEON: WE'RE DISQUALIFYING
00:28:59.280 --> 00:29:00.210
EVERYONE WHO IS AUTHENTIC AND
00:29:00.210 --> 00:29:02.140
LISTENING, 'CAUSE YOU GO:
00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:04.140
I DON'T THINK I COULD EVER HEAR
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:05.080
GOD TELL ME THAT MAN'S WIFE'S
00:29:05.080 --> 00:29:06.090
DYING OF CANCER RIGHT NOW.
00:29:06.090 --> 00:29:07.100
GOD'S GONNA HEAL HIM.
00:29:07.100 --> 00:29:08.080
HOW DO YOU EVER DO THAT?!
00:29:08.080 --> 00:29:08.270
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:29:08.270 --> 00:29:09.180
- MATT: WOW.
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:10.090
- LEON: BUT IN MOST CASES,
00:29:10.090 --> 00:29:12.240
IT'S A SENSING.
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:13.150
IF YOU COULD REALLY GET
00:29:13.150 --> 00:29:14.210
LEADERS--
00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:15.160
I'VE SEEN GOD DO SO MANY
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.020
PHENOMENAL MIRACLES.
00:29:17.020 --> 00:29:18.030
AND, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A
00:29:18.030 --> 00:29:18.280
SENSING.
00:29:18.280 --> 00:29:20.050
I'VE NEVER HEARD THE VOICE OF
00:29:20.050 --> 00:29:20.260
GOD.
00:29:20.260 --> 00:29:23.130
I'VE NEVER SEEN A VISION.
00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:24.170
I'VE NEVER HEARD AN AUDIBLE
00:29:24.170 --> 00:29:25.070
VOICE.
00:29:25.070 --> 00:29:25.240
BUT, AS I BEGIN TO DEVELOP
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:26.220
THIS, I WOULD WALK INTO
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.050
SITUATIONS AND I WOULD HAVE
00:29:28.050 --> 00:29:29.230
THIS KNOWING RISE UP FROM
00:29:29.230 --> 00:29:31.270
WITHIN ME.
00:29:31.270 --> 00:29:33.040
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:34.040
- LEON: BUT THE OTHER THING
00:29:34.040 --> 00:29:35.070
THAT'S REALLY CRUCIAL WAS I HAD
00:29:35.070 --> 00:29:38.070
CLEANED UP MY MISBELIEFS.
00:29:38.270 --> 00:29:41.270
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:29:41.270 --> 00:29:43.030
- LEON: 'CAUSE IF I BELIEVE
00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:43.230
HOLY SPIRIT MIGHT FLOW THROUGH
00:29:43.230 --> 00:29:44.150
ME AND HE MIGHT NOT...
00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:46.140
AND WE HAVE SOME DOCTRINES THAT
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:47.230
WOULD GO, "IT'S AS THE SPIRIT
00:29:47.230 --> 00:29:49.030
WILLS.
00:29:49.030 --> 00:29:50.060
OKAY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE
00:29:50.060 --> 00:29:51.190
SPIRIT IS A SPIRIT BEING
00:29:51.190 --> 00:29:53.030
WILLING WITH, AS PENTECOSTALS
00:29:53.030 --> 00:29:55.130
SAY, "THE NINE GIFTS OF THE
00:29:55.130 --> 00:29:56.030
SPIRIT," HE'S NOT GOING YES OR
00:29:56.030 --> 00:29:57.190
NO; HOLY SPIRIT'S GOING, "I
00:29:57.190 --> 00:29:59.150
WANT TO LEAD YOU INTO WHICH
00:29:59.150 --> 00:30:01.070
ONE."
00:30:01.070 --> 00:30:02.210
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:30:02.210 --> 00:30:03.240
- LEON: I WOULD FIND THAT,
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:04.140
EVEN AT THE FRONT OF THE
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:05.210
CHURCHES AS I WOULD PRAY WITH
00:30:05.210 --> 00:30:06.260
PEOPLE WHO WERE HURTING, I
00:30:06.260 --> 00:30:07.160
WOULD PRAY FOR ONE PERSON.
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.060
I COULD JUST SENSE HEALING FLOW
00:30:08.060 --> 00:30:09.060
INTO HER.
00:30:09.060 --> 00:30:10.110
THEN I'D PRAY FOR ANOTHER
00:30:10.110 --> 00:30:11.120
PERSON.
00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:12.120
AND, INSTEAD, I WOULD SAY
00:30:12.120 --> 00:30:13.260
SOMETHING TO THEM.
00:30:13.260 --> 00:30:15.130
AND THAT WORD OF KNOWLEDGE --
00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:17.210
IT MIGHT BE: GOD WANTS YOU TO
00:30:17.210 --> 00:30:18.160
KNOW GET RID OF THE GUILT AND
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:19.260
THE FEAR THAT HAS SHACKLED YOU
00:30:19.260 --> 00:30:21.290
FROM THAT PAST INCIDENT.
00:30:21.290 --> 00:30:24.040
- MATT: WOW.
00:30:24.040 --> 00:30:25.070
- LEON: AND -- BAM! -- THAT
00:30:25.070 --> 00:30:26.070
GUY WOULD BE HEALED BY A WORD
00:30:26.070 --> 00:30:26.280
OF KNOWLEDGE.
00:30:26.280 --> 00:30:27.150
THEN I'D GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:28.230
AND I WOULD LITERALLY JUST
00:30:28.230 --> 00:30:29.140
PROPHESY THAT THE FUTURE--
00:30:29.140 --> 00:30:31.180
BECAUSE THEY WERE SO AFRAID.
00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:33.090
THEY WERE-- GOD CAN HEAL
00:30:33.090 --> 00:30:34.090
THROUGH ANYTHING HE WANTS TO.
00:30:34.090 --> 00:30:35.130
SO, THAT'S WHERE WHEN IT SAYS
00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:38.020
IT'S "AS THE SPIRIT WILLS" --
00:30:38.020 --> 00:30:40.120
TO ME, THAT IS MORE HOW TO DO
00:30:40.120 --> 00:30:42.180
SOMETHING.
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:43.060
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:30:43.060 --> 00:30:44.060
- LEON: HOLY SPIRIT IS NEVER
00:30:44.060 --> 00:30:45.050
GOING: NO.
00:30:45.050 --> 00:30:47.010
BECAUSE JESUS DIED FOR HEALING.
00:30:47.010 --> 00:30:48.290
JESUS DIED AND TOOK THE ENTIRE
00:30:48.290 --> 00:30:50.210
CURSE OF THE LAW!
00:30:50.210 --> 00:30:52.030
GALATIANS 3:13.
00:30:52.030 --> 00:30:53.160
SO, THAT MEANS ALL OF THE
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.210
PROMISES ARE YES, AND, IN HIM,
00:30:54.210 --> 00:30:55.290
AMEN!
00:30:55.290 --> 00:30:57.150
SO, IT'S NO LONGER YES OR NO;
00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:58.060
IT'S JUST HOW.
00:30:58.060 --> 00:31:00.290
AND I FOUND THAT AS I WOULD
00:31:00.290 --> 00:31:02.220
STEP INTO SITUATIONS, JUST
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.000
CAUTIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT I
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.130
BEGAN TO ADD SKILLS.
00:31:05.130 --> 00:31:06.210
THERE'S SKILLS TO DEVELOP OF
00:31:06.210 --> 00:31:09.070
JUST LISTENING, SENSING,
00:31:09.070 --> 00:31:10.200
KNOWING.
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.270
IN BUSINESS SITUATIONS, I WOULD
00:31:11.270 --> 00:31:13.200
SIT DOWN WITH LAWYERS AND HAVE
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.130
TO-- I WANTED HUNDREDS OF ACRES
00:31:15.130 --> 00:31:16.070
FOR-- AND BUILDINGS AND THINGS.
00:31:16.070 --> 00:31:18.030
AND AS I WOULD GO INTO THESE
00:31:18.030 --> 00:31:19.110
NEGOTIATIONS, I FOUND THAT HE
00:31:19.110 --> 00:31:21.180
WAS JUST AS GUIDING ME THERE AS
00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.130
HE WAS AT THE FRONT OF A
00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:24.280
CHURCH.
00:31:24.280 --> 00:31:26.110
IF I WAS SITTING DOWN WITH A
00:31:26.110 --> 00:31:27.200
HELLS ANGEL, WHICH I'VE DONE,
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:28.160
AND I JUST-- HE STARTS TALKIN'
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.010
TO ME, I WOULD JUST LISTEN AND
00:31:30.010 --> 00:31:31.130
I'D KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO PICK
00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:32.080
UP THE CONVERSATION.
00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:35.020
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:31:35.020 --> 00:31:35.250
- LEON: BIG TEARS COMIN' DOWN.
00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:37.050
SO, EVERYBODY HAS A MUM.
00:31:37.050 --> 00:31:38.070
YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT MY MUM,
00:31:38.070 --> 00:31:39.270
HOW THAT WHEN WE WERE ALL
00:31:39.270 --> 00:31:41.020
TEENAGERS.
00:31:41.020 --> 00:31:42.190
ONE OF MY BROTHERS BROUGHT
00:31:42.190 --> 00:31:44.070
DRUGS OR BAD MAGAZINES HOME,
00:31:44.070 --> 00:31:45.140
SHE LITERALLY WOULD GO LIKE
00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:46.040
THIS, AT THE SUPPER TABLE.
00:31:46.040 --> 00:31:48.290
"OKAY...WHO BROUGHT SOMETHING
00:31:48.290 --> 00:31:50.100
INTO MY HOUSE?"
00:31:50.100 --> 00:31:51.150
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:31:51.150 --> 00:31:52.140
GET UP, WALK DOWN TO THE EXACT
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.060
TILE.
00:31:53.060 --> 00:31:55.060
YOU KNOW THESE TILES THAT ARE
00:31:55.060 --> 00:31:56.070
FLOATING IN THE BASEMENTS OF
00:31:56.070 --> 00:31:56.280
HOMES WHERE YOU CAN LIFT 'EM
00:31:56.280 --> 00:31:57.190
UP?
00:31:57.190 --> 00:31:57.290
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:31:57.290 --> 00:31:58.250
AND, SHE WOULD-- WOULDN'T HUNT!
00:31:58.250 --> 00:31:59.220
SHE'D WALK TO THE CHAIR, PUT IT
00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:00.160
DOWN, STEP ON THE CHAIR, LIFT
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:01.260
THE TILE UP, AND PUT HER HAND
00:32:01.260 --> 00:32:03.050
RIGHT ON A BAG OF DOPE AND GO
00:32:03.050 --> 00:32:04.160
FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET.
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:05.210
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:32:05.210 --> 00:32:06.090
- LEON: SEE, WHAT MUM DOESN'T
00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:07.200
WANNA KNOW WHAT YOUR KIDS ARE
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.210
DOING IF THE ENEMY'S TRYING TO
00:32:08.210 --> 00:32:10.100
STEAL THEM THROUGH DRUGS?
00:32:10.100 --> 00:32:11.060
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:32:11.060 --> 00:32:12.040
- LEON: OR STEAL THEM THROUGH
00:32:12.040 --> 00:32:12.250
WRONG RELATIONSHIPS.
00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:13.250
SHE'D LOOK AT ME AND SAY,
00:32:13.250 --> 00:32:14.140
"YOU'RE NOT HANGING OUT WITH
00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:15.210
THAT BOY ANYMORE -- PERIOD."
00:32:15.210 --> 00:32:17.160
- MATT: WOW.
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.060
- LEON: AND, SHE JUST KNEW.
00:32:18.060 --> 00:32:19.080
AND SHE'D SENSE.
00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:20.120
MY DAD WAS SO MUCH LIKE THAT
00:32:20.120 --> 00:32:21.120
THAT HE'D DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD
00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:22.180
AND HE'D JUST SENSE GOIN' TO
00:32:22.180 --> 00:32:23.180
THAT HOUSE.
00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:26.180
SO, YOU CAN-- YOU CAN DEVELOP
00:32:26.180 --> 00:32:28.020
SKILLS AND WHERE YOU BEGIN TO
00:32:28.020 --> 00:32:29.040
JUST KNOW.
00:32:29.040 --> 00:32:30.090
IT'S KIND OF LIKE BUSINESS
00:32:30.090 --> 00:32:31.140
GUYS.
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:32.020
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE BEEN
00:32:32.020 --> 00:32:33.130
THROUGH A LOT OF SITUATIONS,
00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:34.190
YOU'VE HIRED A LOT OF STAFF,
00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:35.260
FIRED A LOT OF STAFF, BROUGHT--
00:32:35.260 --> 00:32:36.180
AFTER DECADES OF THAT, YOU WALK
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:37.260
INTO A SITUATION AND YOU JUST
00:32:37.260 --> 00:32:39.020
KNOW.
00:32:39.020 --> 00:32:40.040
IT'S LIKE DÉJÀ VU.
00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:42.000
"THE LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED TO
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.020
ME..."
00:32:43.020 --> 00:32:44.040
SO, YOU CAN DEVELOP THESE
00:32:44.040 --> 00:32:44.230
SKILLS.
00:32:44.230 --> 00:32:46.200
SO, THIS SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.150
LIFE...
00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:48.170
THIS SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY
00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:50.120
LIFE -- LET'S GIVE IT BACK TO
00:32:50.120 --> 00:32:51.060
OUR KIDS.
00:32:51.060 --> 00:32:52.150
WE NEED SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY
00:32:52.150 --> 00:32:53.250
FAMILIES WHERE PARENTS JUST
00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:55.170
TEACH RIGHT TO THOSE KIDS:
00:32:55.170 --> 00:32:57.060
EVERYWHERE YOU GO, THE PRESENCE
00:32:57.060 --> 00:32:59.210
OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU.
00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:00.290
- LAURIE: MMH.
00:33:00.290 --> 00:33:02.000
- LEON: AND JESUS IS WITHIN
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:02.210
YOU.
00:33:02.210 --> 00:33:03.180
LOSE THE WORD AND ALL THE
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:04.260
INTRICATE TEACHING OF THE
00:33:04.260 --> 00:33:06.060
ANOINTING THAT PUZZLES ALL OF
00:33:06.060 --> 00:33:07.170
US AS TO WHEN IT DOES OR
00:33:07.170 --> 00:33:08.160
DOESN'T FLOW.
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.160
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.100
- LEON: AND JESUS, THE
00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:11.150
ANOINTED ONE, IS IN US.
00:33:11.150 --> 00:33:12.100
- LAURIE: MMH.
00:33:12.100 --> 00:33:13.010
- MATT: WOW.
00:33:13.010 --> 00:33:14.060
- LEON: AND HE ALWAYS DESIRES
00:33:14.060 --> 00:33:15.230
TO FLOW THROUGH US.
00:33:15.230 --> 00:33:17.000
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:17.160
MMH...THAT'S GOOD.
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:18.250
- MATT: OKAY, LET ME MAKE SURE
00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:19.220
I GET IT.
00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:20.200
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:21.050
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS THIS WHOLE
00:33:21.050 --> 00:33:22.050
PROGRAM, AND, SO, LEON--
00:33:22.050 --> 00:33:23.120
- LAURIE: I THINK YOU DO.
00:33:23.170 --> 00:33:26.170
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:27.130
- MATT: --I JUST WANT YOU-- I
00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:28.130
WANNA REHEARSE.
00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:29.020
WHAT WE REALLY STARTED TALKING
00:33:29.020 --> 00:33:29.230
EARLIER IN THIS BROADCAST ABOUT
00:33:29.230 --> 00:33:30.150
WAS, BASICALLY, WE ALL KNOW
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:33.240
THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.200
THE WELSH REVIVAL, YOU GO
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.220
INTO THE AZUSA STREET REVIVAL
00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:41.140
AND MANY OTHER WORKS AND
00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:44.090
MOVEMENTS AND THINGS THAT HAVE
00:33:44.090 --> 00:33:45.080
HAPPENED -- THOSE ARE REAL.
00:33:45.130 --> 00:33:48.130
THAT HAPPENED.
00:33:48.130 --> 00:33:49.050
OKAY?
00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:50.250
BUT THEN, WHAT WE REALLY START
00:33:50.250 --> 00:33:52.170
DOING AND WHAT REALLY KIND OF
00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:54.020
CAME OUT OF THAT IS WE MADE A
00:33:54.020 --> 00:33:56.050
MISTAKE AND WE STARTED REALLY
00:33:56.050 --> 00:33:58.170
IDENTIFYING THE FIVEFOLD
00:33:58.170 --> 00:34:01.030
MINISTRY GIFTS, WHICH ARE TO
00:34:01.030 --> 00:34:02.020
EQUIP THE SAINTS, AND WE
00:34:02.020 --> 00:34:04.070
STARTED RAISING THOSE UP AND
00:34:04.070 --> 00:34:05.270
TREATING THOSE ALMOST LIKE WE
00:34:05.270 --> 00:34:07.160
DID IN THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.090
KING, THE PROPHET, OR THE
00:34:09.090 --> 00:34:11.020
PRIEST.
00:34:11.020 --> 00:34:12.030
- LAURIE: MMH.
00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:13.060
- LEON: MM-HMM.
00:34:13.060 --> 00:34:14.140
- MATT: AND, REALISTICALLY,
00:34:14.140 --> 00:34:16.000
PASTORS HAVE BEEN RAISED UP TO
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.000
A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.110
AND SO, WE HAVE BEEN BASICALLY
00:34:20.110 --> 00:34:22.050
SEEKING OUT A PROPHET, OR
00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:25.030
SEEKING OUT A PASTOR, OR,
00:34:25.030 --> 00:34:28.000
INSTEAD OF JUST KNOWING THAT
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.050
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS INSIDE OF
00:34:29.050 --> 00:34:31.050
US.
00:34:31.050 --> 00:34:32.210
AND WHEN THE FRIEND CALLS WITH
00:34:32.210 --> 00:34:33.230
BAD NEWS, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM
00:34:33.290 --> 00:34:36.290
AS EFFECTIVELY AS IF, "WAIT A
00:34:36.290 --> 00:34:38.160
SECOND, HOLD YOUR THOUGHT, I
00:34:38.160 --> 00:34:40.020
KNOW YOU'RE GIVING ME BAD NEWS,
00:34:40.020 --> 00:34:41.140
LET ME CALL MY PASTOR AND GET
00:34:41.140 --> 00:34:42.050
HIM CONNECTED ONTO THIS PHONE
00:34:42.050 --> 00:34:45.000
CALL," BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.170
TAKE A PASTOR TO REALLY DEAL
00:34:46.170 --> 00:34:48.180
WITH THIS SITUATION--
00:34:48.180 --> 00:34:49.220
- LEON: RIGHT.
00:34:49.220 --> 00:34:50.120
- MATT: --THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
00:34:50.120 --> 00:34:52.160
BEEN TRAINED WELL ENOUGH IN
00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.120
CHURCH TO DEAL WITH THE
00:34:54.120 --> 00:34:56.290
WEEKDAYS AND THAT THE WEEKENDS
00:34:56.290 --> 00:34:59.130
ARE GIVING US MORE EQUIPPING.
00:34:59.130 --> 00:35:01.250
BUT WE HAVE SEEN A DISTANCING,
00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:02.270
WHERE PASTORS HAVE BEEN
00:35:02.270 --> 00:35:04.000
STANDING HIGHER AND HIGHER
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.000
AND HIGHER AND HIGHER ON...
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.090
ON PODIUMS.
00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:10.160
AND THE CONGREGATION ARE GOING
00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:11.210
LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER.
00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:12.120
THERE'S A BIGGER DIVIDE,
00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:13.090
DIVIDE, DIVIDE.
00:35:13.090 --> 00:35:14.050
- LEON: YEP.
00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:15.170
- MATT: AND WE HAVE BASICALLY
00:35:15.170 --> 00:35:17.100
PUT PRIEST, CARDINAL, AND POPE
00:35:17.100 --> 00:35:19.110
HATS BACK ON TOP OF SOME OF OUR
00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:21.110
MINISTRY GIFTS WHEN WE HAVE
00:35:21.110 --> 00:35:23.050
MINISTRY GIFTS TO EQUIP SAINTS
00:35:23.050 --> 00:35:25.290
TO DO THE WORK OF THE KINGDOM.
00:35:25.290 --> 00:35:27.140
- LEON: RIGHT.
00:35:27.140 --> 00:35:29.100
- MATT: SO, WE'VE-- WE'VE
00:35:29.100 --> 00:35:31.070
REALLY GOT THIS KIND OF BASS
00:35:31.070 --> 00:35:31.270
ACKWARDS, AS MY DAD WOULD HAVE
00:35:31.270 --> 00:35:34.080
SAID WHEN HE WAS GROWING UP,
00:35:34.080 --> 00:35:36.120
YOU KNOW, IN MISSOURI.
00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:37.250
[LAUGHTER]
00:35:37.250 --> 00:35:38.120
- LEON: YEAH.
00:35:38.120 --> 00:35:40.080
- MATT: BUT...BUT WE HAVE
00:35:40.080 --> 00:35:41.150
REALLY NOT DONE THIS RIGHT.
00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:43.090
AND SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY IS
00:35:43.090 --> 00:35:44.150
TRYING TO EXPLAIN--
00:35:44.150 --> 00:35:45.100
- LEON: YES.
00:35:45.100 --> 00:35:45.290
- MATT: --THAT YOU CAN BE
00:35:45.290 --> 00:35:48.130
FULLY SPIRIT-LED AND FULLY
00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:49.250
CONTEMPORARY ALL AT THE SAME
00:35:49.250 --> 00:35:51.120
TIME, AND, AGGRESSIVELY, THAT
00:35:51.120 --> 00:35:53.080
WE'RE NOT TALKIN' ABOUT SOME
00:35:53.080 --> 00:35:53.290
KIND OF WEIRD, MIDDLE--
00:35:53.290 --> 00:35:55.070
- LAURIE: WELL, THAT YOU CAN
00:35:55.070 --> 00:35:56.210
BE SPIRITUAL AND NOT A WEIRDO
00:35:56.210 --> 00:35:57.120
ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
00:35:57.120 --> 00:35:58.080
- LEON: YES!
00:35:58.080 --> 00:35:58.230
- MATT: AND THAT YOU'RE NOT
00:35:58.230 --> 00:35:59.140
GOING INTO THE MIDDLE, WHERE
00:35:59.140 --> 00:36:01.080
YOU'RE BECOMING LUKEWARM AND
00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:02.140
ARE GONNA GET SPEWED OUT OF,
00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:03.120
YOU KNOW, GOD'S MOUTH.
00:36:03.120 --> 00:36:04.180
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:36:04.180 --> 00:36:06.080
- LEON: YES.
00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:07.190
- MATT: SO, WE'RE TALKIN'
00:36:07.190 --> 00:36:08.190
ABOUT BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT
00:36:08.190 --> 00:36:10.190
SPIRIT-LED AND A HUNDRED
00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:11.110
PERCENT CONTEMPORARY,
00:36:11.110 --> 00:36:12.140
AGGRESSIVE, ALL AT THE SAME
00:36:12.140 --> 00:36:13.080
TIME.
00:36:13.080 --> 00:36:13.280
- LEON: YEAH.
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.120
- MATT: AND THAT WE'RE TAKING
00:36:15.120 --> 00:36:17.100
BACK THE FIVEFOLD MINISTRY
00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:18.010
GIFTS TO EQUIP PEOPLE TO DO
00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:20.000
EVERYTHING THEMSELVES.
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.020
IS THAT KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT
00:36:21.020 --> 00:36:21.230
SO FAR?
00:36:21.230 --> 00:36:22.260
THAT'S EXACTLY GOOD.
00:36:24.080 --> 00:36:24.250
- LEON: WE JUST CAN THE GOSPEL
00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:05.260
AND ATTACK PEOPLE WITH A
00:37:05.260 --> 00:37:06.140
TURN-OR-BURN, GOING-TO-HELL,
00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:07.070
ETC., ETC. INSTEAD OF LEARNING
00:37:07.070 --> 00:37:08.060
TO SPEAK WITH PEOPLE.
00:37:08.060 --> 00:37:10.140
I WAS ON A FLIGHT -- LONG
00:37:10.140 --> 00:37:11.280
FLIGHT -- ONE TIME AND I WAS
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:12.290
SITTING BESIDE A MAN WHO TOLD
00:37:12.290 --> 00:37:14.070
ME THAT HE WAS GAY.
00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:15.200
FIRST WE STARTED TALKING
00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:18.000
ABOUT BUSINESS.
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.280
AND, WE GOT ALONG FINE.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.250
THIS GUY WAS A BRILLIANT
00:37:21.250 --> 00:37:22.140
BUSINESSMAN.
00:37:22.140 --> 00:37:23.110
AND HE WENT THROUGH THE
00:37:23.110 --> 00:37:24.000
COMPANIES THAT HE OWNED AND I
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:24.260
STARTED TALKING ABOUT I HAD
00:37:24.260 --> 00:37:25.160
ORGANIZATIONS THAT I WAS
00:37:25.160 --> 00:37:26.050
RUNNING.
00:37:26.050 --> 00:37:27.090
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY
00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:28.000
WERE.
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:28.140
WE JUST STARTED TALKING HIRING
00:37:28.140 --> 00:37:29.080
AND STAFFING AND SENSING, AND,
00:37:29.080 --> 00:37:30.160
YOU KNOW, ALL THIS STUFF.
00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:32.200
AND THEN HE WENT ON TALKING
00:37:32.200 --> 00:37:34.180
ABOUT HOW THAT HE WAS A GAY
00:37:34.180 --> 00:37:35.120
MAN.
00:37:35.120 --> 00:37:36.020
HE WAS HOMOSEXUAL AND THAT--
00:37:36.020 --> 00:37:36.230
AND THEN HE STARTED TALKING
00:37:36.230 --> 00:37:38.010
ABOUT HOW HE HAD BEEN
00:37:38.010 --> 00:37:38.230
MISTREATED IN BUSINESS.
00:37:38.230 --> 00:37:40.080
AND IT WAS AWFUL AND I JUST
00:37:41.290 --> 00:37:42.230
AGREED WITH HIM.
00:37:42.230 --> 00:37:45.010
AND, THEN HE TALKED ABOUT HOW
00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:46.130
THAT HIS FRIENDS WHO WERE
00:37:46.130 --> 00:37:47.020
CHRISTIANS, HOW THEY HAD
00:37:47.020 --> 00:37:47.200
TREATED HIM.
00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:49.100
AND I WAS UPSET.
00:37:49.100 --> 00:37:51.100
I SAID, "THAT IS SO WRONG!"
00:37:51.100 --> 00:37:53.090
AND WE'RE TALKIN'-- I MEAN,
00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:53.290
THERE'S HOURS OF CONVERSATION
00:37:53.290 --> 00:37:54.290
GOIN' BY.
00:37:54.290 --> 00:37:56.010
AND WE'RE-- WE HAVE BECOME
00:37:56.010 --> 00:37:57.050
FINALLY, HE SAYS, "WHAT DO YOU
00:37:59.140 --> 00:38:00.070
DO?"
00:38:00.070 --> 00:38:01.250
I SAID, "I'M A PASTOR."
00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:04.110
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE JUST
00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:05.060
STOPPED.
00:38:05.060 --> 00:38:06.000
"OH..."
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:06.240
AND HE TURNED AND HE
00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:08.050
JUST...TWISTED HIS BODY.
00:38:08.050 --> 00:38:10.040
I SAID, "WHOA, WHOA, JUST A
00:38:10.040 --> 00:38:11.000
MINUTE...JUST A MINUTE."
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:12.100
I SAID, "MAN, LIKE, WE WERE
00:38:12.100 --> 00:38:14.020
TALKIN' ABOUT WHERE YOU'VE BEEN
00:38:14.020 --> 00:38:15.200
JUDGED AND WHAT YOU'RE
00:38:15.200 --> 00:38:17.030
STRUGGLING WITH."
00:38:17.030 --> 00:38:18.040
I SAID, "I GET JUDGED AS A
00:38:18.040 --> 00:38:19.110
PASTOR ALL THE TIME THAT IF I'M
00:38:19.110 --> 00:38:20.210
A PASTOR I'VE GOT TO BE
00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:21.220
JUDGMENTAL AND"--
00:38:21.220 --> 00:38:23.260
BUT, I SAID: "I'M NOT.
00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:26.040
MAN, I RESPECT YOU SO MUCH.
00:38:26.040 --> 00:38:27.200
I HAVE ENJOYED THIS
00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:28.270
CONVERSATION FOR THESE PAST
00:38:28.270 --> 00:38:29.250
HOURS.
00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:30.110
I'D LOVE TO STAY IN TOUCH."
00:38:30.110 --> 00:38:31.210
AND HE TURNED AROUND AND YOU
00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:33.060
COULD JUST SEE THE SHOCK ON HIS
00:38:33.060 --> 00:38:33.280
FACE.
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:34.170
- MATT: WOW.
00:38:34.170 --> 00:38:35.050
- LEON: AND THEN, WE JUST KEPT
00:38:35.050 --> 00:38:36.170
TALKING AGAIN.
00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:37.210
YOU SEE, THIS MAN DIDN'T NEED
00:38:37.210 --> 00:38:39.020
TO-- "OH! DID YOU KNOW THAT IT
00:38:39.020 --> 00:38:40.050
SAYS...
00:38:40.050 --> 00:38:41.060
LET ME PULL THE VERSES OUT FOR
00:38:41.060 --> 00:38:42.040
YOU, BUDDY."
00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:43.000
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:43.170
- LEON: HE DIDN'T NEED THAT.
00:38:43.170 --> 00:38:44.140
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:38:44.140 --> 00:38:45.140
- LEON: HE JUST NEEDED ME TO
00:38:45.140 --> 00:38:46.230
LOVE HIM, APPRECIATE HIM,
00:38:46.230 --> 00:38:47.120
RESPECT HIM, AND HIS HEART JUST
00:38:47.120 --> 00:38:49.040
SLAMMED OPEN, AS HE ASKED ME
00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:51.070
HOURS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
00:38:51.070 --> 00:38:52.050
BIBLE.
00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.100
- LAURIE: WOW...
00:38:54.100 --> 00:38:55.010
- LEON: THAT'S SPIRIT
00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:55.180
CONTEMPORARY!
00:38:55.180 --> 00:38:56.180
HE SENSED THE SPIRIT OF GOD ON
00:38:56.180 --> 00:38:57.100
ME!
00:38:57.100 --> 00:38:58.240
BUT, HOW I RELATE TO HIM, IT
00:38:58.240 --> 00:39:01.070
SAYS HERE IN COLOSSIANS 2:6 --
00:39:01.070 --> 00:39:02.160
IT'S GOTTA BE TO HIM IN A WAY
00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:04.270
THAT TOUCHES AND REACHES HIM.
00:39:04.270 --> 00:39:07.020
- MATT: WOW.
00:39:07.020 --> 00:39:08.020
- LEON: BUT CHRISTIANS JUST
00:39:08.020 --> 00:39:09.220
FIND IT EASIER TO THROW THE
00:39:09.220 --> 00:39:10.130
WORD AT PEOPLE AND TO CONFRONT
00:39:10.130 --> 00:39:11.260
SIN AS IF EVERYWHERE WE GO WE
00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:13.070
HAVE TO CONFRONT SIN.
00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:13.280
WHERE DO YOU FIND JESUS
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.110
CONFRONTING SIN WITH ZACCHAEUS,
00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:17.080
THE ADULTEROUS WOMAN, WITH THE
00:39:17.080 --> 00:39:18.030
DRUNKS?
00:39:18.030 --> 00:39:18.240
THEY THOUGHT HE WAS A DRUNK AND
00:39:18.240 --> 00:39:20.220
A WINEBIBBER 'CAUSE HE WAS
00:39:20.220 --> 00:39:21.290
ALWAYS OUT THERE WITH THEM.
00:39:21.290 --> 00:39:23.030
WE DON'T-- HE-- HE ACTUALLY
00:39:23.030 --> 00:39:24.140
CONFRONTED RELIGIOUS,
00:39:24.140 --> 00:39:26.070
JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE BEFORE HE'D
00:39:26.070 --> 00:39:28.180
CONFRONT--
00:39:28.180 --> 00:39:30.010
SO, I'M NOT SAYING SIN IS OKAY.
00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:31.000
I'M JUST SAYING THAT EVERYWHERE
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.140
I GO, I'VE GOT THE SPIRIT OF
00:39:32.140 --> 00:39:33.100
GOD WITHIN ME.
00:39:33.100 --> 00:39:34.280
I KNOW WHAT HIS WORD SAYS.
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.150
BUT NOW I'M GONNA BE
00:39:36.150 --> 00:39:38.080
CONTEMPORARY FOR THE PERSON.
00:39:38.080 --> 00:39:40.080
A GUY SAID TO ME ONE TIME --
00:39:40.080 --> 00:39:41.250
I WAS DOING A PASTORS'
00:39:41.250 --> 00:39:42.250
CONFERENCE -- AND THIS GUY
00:39:42.250 --> 00:39:44.060
STANDS UP IN Q&A AND HE SAYS,
00:39:44.060 --> 00:39:45.250
"WELL, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW
00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:47.160
THAT I FEEL YOU'VE COMPROMISED
00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:49.000
BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MEGACHURCH."
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.230
AND, I SAID, "OH...EXPLAIN THAT
00:39:50.230 --> 00:39:51.290
TO ME."
00:39:51.290 --> 00:39:52.200
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:39:52.200 --> 00:39:53.230
YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD LOTS OVER
00:39:53.230 --> 00:39:54.210
THESE Q&AS.
00:39:54.210 --> 00:39:55.060
AND HE SAYS, "WELL, OUR CHURCH
00:39:55.060 --> 00:39:56.100
IS VERY SMALL."
00:39:56.100 --> 00:39:57.150
HE SAID: "WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO
00:39:57.150 --> 00:39:59.000
OUR CHURCH, THE PRESENCE OF GOD
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.120
IS THERE.
00:40:00.120 --> 00:40:01.130
AND WHEN THE PRESENCE OF GOD IS
00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:02.170
THERE, IT CONVICTS PEOPLE OF
00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:04.140
THEIR SIN AND THEY CAN'T STAY
00:40:04.140 --> 00:40:06.000
WITHOUT GETTING SAVED OR THEY
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:06.230
HAVE TO LEAVE.
00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:08.140
AND SO, PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA
00:40:08.140 --> 00:40:09.060
GIVE THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST,
00:40:09.060 --> 00:40:10.020
THEY DON'T MAKE IT IN OUR
00:40:10.020 --> 00:40:10.260
CHURCH.
00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:11.220
SO, IT'S PURE AND IT'S CLEAN.
00:40:11.220 --> 00:40:13.270
AND OUR CHURCH IS SP--
00:40:13.270 --> 00:40:16.000
YOUR CHURCH -- I MEAN, YOU
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:16.200
GOT-- PFT!
00:40:16.200 --> 00:40:17.090
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A SUNDAY --
00:40:17.090 --> 00:40:18.010
YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN HERE."
00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:19.030
AND I WAS JUST KIND OF QUIET.
00:40:19.030 --> 00:40:20.070
AND I SAID, "YOU KNOW, ISN'T IT
00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:21.020
INTERESTING THAT YOU CREDIT THE
00:40:21.020 --> 00:40:22.040
ANOINTING WITH KEEPING YOUR
00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:23.270
CHURCH SMALL?"
00:40:23.270 --> 00:40:25.050
- MATT: WOW.
00:40:25.050 --> 00:40:27.010
- LEON: I SAID: "WHAT ABOUT
00:40:27.010 --> 00:40:28.120
JESUS, WHO HAD THE ANOINTING
00:40:28.120 --> 00:40:29.260
WITHOUT MEASURE, AND EVERYWHERE
00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:31.160
HE WENT, THEY CAME OUT IN THE
00:40:31.160 --> 00:40:33.130
THOUSANDS?
00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:35.040
AND WE KNOW THIEVES AND LIARS
00:40:35.150 --> 00:40:38.150
AND OTHERS-- WERE ALL AMONG
00:40:38.150 --> 00:40:39.070
THEM.
00:40:39.070 --> 00:40:41.180
AND THEY WERE ATTRACTED TO
00:40:41.180 --> 00:40:42.080
HIM."
00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:42.280
- LAURIE: MMH.
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:43.120
> LEON: SO, SOMEWHERE AS
00:40:43.120 --> 00:40:44.080
CHRISTIANS, WE'VE LOST OUR
00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:45.000
ATTRACTIVENESS TO THE WORLD.
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:45.230
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:40:45.230 --> 00:40:46.150
- LEON: BUT OUR JESUS WASN'T
00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:47.060
LIKE WE ARE.
00:40:47.060 --> 00:40:49.090
HE ATTRACTED THEM IN DROVES.
00:40:49.090 --> 00:40:50.140
SO, HOLY SPIRIT MUST BE AN
00:40:50.140 --> 00:40:51.220
ATTRACTIVE FORCE.
00:40:51.220 --> 00:40:54.000
SO, NO WONDER PEOPLE ON THESE
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.220
TV SHOWS ARE GOING TOWARDS
00:40:55.220 --> 00:40:56.240
NEW AGE, EVEN INTERESTED IN
00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:58.170
OTHER RELIGIONS, WHICH THEY
00:40:58.170 --> 00:40:59.130
DON'T REALLY CHECK OUT THAT
00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:00.130
WELL.
00:41:00.130 --> 00:41:02.090
WE HAVE THE ANSWER!
00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:03.090
PHENOMENAL, AMAZING POWER.
00:41:03.090 --> 00:41:04.130
BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO FLOW
00:41:04.130 --> 00:41:05.160
UNTIL WE LEARN TO BE
00:41:05.160 --> 00:41:06.270
CONTEMPORARY.
00:41:06.270 --> 00:41:09.040
BECAUSE, YOU CAN'T RECEIVE THE
00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:10.170
GIFT FROM A PROPHET UNTIL YOU
00:41:10.170 --> 00:41:12.080
RECEIVE THE PROPHET.
00:41:12.080 --> 00:41:13.250
JESUS SAID THAT.
00:41:13.250 --> 00:41:16.080
- LAURIE: RIGHT.
00:41:16.080 --> 00:41:17.050
- LEON: SO, UNTIL THEY ACCEPT
00:41:17.050 --> 00:41:18.170
ME AS A MAN THEY WANNA LISTEN
00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:20.020
TO, UNTIL THEY GO, "OH, I GOTTA
00:41:20.020 --> 00:41:21.190
HEAR FROM THIS GUY -- TALK TO
00:41:21.190 --> 00:41:22.230
ME," -- UNTIL THEY DO THAT,
00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:23.240
THEIR HEART IS CLOSED TO ME.
00:41:23.240 --> 00:41:26.060
SO, THE FIRST THING I MUST DO
00:41:26.060 --> 00:41:27.070
IS APPROACH THEM IN A WAY WHERE
00:41:27.070 --> 00:41:29.070
ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS CLOSED,
00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:30.180
HURTING, ABUSED HEART THAT'S
00:41:30.190 --> 00:41:33.190
BEEN KICKED AND HURT AND-- AND
00:41:33.190 --> 00:41:36.120
BETRAYED BEGINS TO SENSE THE
00:41:36.120 --> 00:41:38.220
JESUS IN ME.
00:41:38.220 --> 00:41:39.160
AND THEN IT JUST OPENS UP
00:41:39.160 --> 00:41:40.290
AND GOD CAN TOUCH IT.
00:41:40.290 --> 00:41:43.220
JUST SCREAMING, PREACHING,
00:41:43.220 --> 00:41:44.290
JUDGING AT PEOPLE IS NOT GONNA
00:41:44.290 --> 00:41:46.150
DO IT.
00:41:46.150 --> 00:41:47.110
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:48.010
- LEON: BUT LOVING THEM WILL.
00:41:48.010 --> 00:41:48.260
- LAURIE: MMMM...
00:41:50.040 --> 00:41:53.040
- MATT: YOU KNOW, LEON, THIS
00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:53.250
IS AMAZING.
00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:54.120
AND IF YOU JUST TUNED IN,
00:41:54.120 --> 00:41:55.210
LEON FONTAINE, PASTOR OF THE
00:41:55.210 --> 00:41:58.200
MIRACLE CHANNEL.
00:41:58.200 --> 00:42:00.100
MIRACLE CHANNEL IS HOW
00:42:00.100 --> 00:42:03.020
7 MILLION HOMES IN CANADA
00:42:03.020 --> 00:42:05.070
RECEIVE CHRISTIAN TELEVISION.
00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:06.190
AND TBN'S A BIG PART OF THAT.
00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:08.130
AND, MIRACLE CHANNEL IS ONE OF
00:42:08.130 --> 00:42:11.110
THE TRINITY FAMILY OF NETWORKS.
00:42:11.110 --> 00:42:12.200
LEON IS ITS CEO.
00:42:12.200 --> 00:42:14.190
LEON...WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
00:42:17.220 --> 00:42:20.220
SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY.
00:42:20.220 --> 00:42:21.170
THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF WHAT
00:42:21.170 --> 00:42:22.060
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
00:42:22.060 --> 00:42:23.110
YOU KNOW WHAT JUST CAME TO MIND
00:42:23.110 --> 00:42:24.270
IS, AGAIN, A THROWBACK AND A
00:42:24.270 --> 00:42:26.240
SHOUT-OUT TO THE FULL GOSPEL
00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:27.140
BUSINESS MEN'S FELLOWSHIP.
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.280
BROTHER DEMOS SHAKARIAN WAS
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.170
AROUND TBN, YOU KNOW, 43 YEARS
00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:33.280
AGO.
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.240
DEMOS SHAKARIAN WAS A
00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:37.220
CONTEMPORARY OF MY FATHER'S.
00:42:37.220 --> 00:42:40.150
- LEON: WOW...
00:42:40.150 --> 00:42:42.010
- MATT: AND...I KNOW WHAT HE
00:42:42.010 --> 00:42:42.220
WAS TRYING TO SAY.
00:42:42.220 --> 00:42:43.220
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE
00:42:43.220 --> 00:42:46.120
HAVE THIS KIND OF HURRY-UP
00:42:46.120 --> 00:42:47.210
EVANGELISM--
00:42:50.020 --> 00:42:53.020
WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING IS A
00:42:53.020 --> 00:42:53.230
PASTOR HAS A SMALL CHURCH AND
00:42:55.170 --> 00:42:58.170
HE AGGRESSIVELY WANTS TO SAY,
00:42:58.170 --> 00:43:00.110
"BOW THE KNEE, GET RIGHT, OR
00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:02.040
GET OUT."
00:43:03.270 --> 00:43:06.270
- LEON: YEAH.
00:43:06.270 --> 00:43:07.180
- MATT: AND THERE'S THIS KIND
00:43:07.180 --> 00:43:08.200
OF EXPEDIENCY.
00:43:08.200 --> 00:43:10.140
THERE'S A-- YOU GOTTA GET THIS
00:43:10.140 --> 00:43:11.060
DONE FAST.
00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:11.180
- LEON: MM-HMM.
00:43:11.180 --> 00:43:14.020
- MATT: AND, WHAT
00:43:14.020 --> 00:43:15.190
IT FELT LIKE THE FULL GOSPEL
00:43:15.190 --> 00:43:16.100
BUSINESS MEN WERE TRYING TO
00:43:16.100 --> 00:43:17.030
TEACH US -- AND WHAT YOU'RE
00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:17.230
TRYING TO TEACH US -- IS WHEN
00:43:17.230 --> 00:43:18.230
YOU EQUIP THE SAINTS, YOU HAVE
00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:20.010
JUST BASICALLY EMPOWERED, YOU
00:43:20.010 --> 00:43:22.110
KNOW -- ESTIMATES NOW BEING $2
00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:28.260
BILLION CHRISTIANS -- 2 BILLION
00:43:30.020 --> 00:43:33.020
TOUCH POINTS THAT COULD BE
00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:34.260
REACHING AND TOUCHING 2 BILLION
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:35.200
PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME.
00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:38.130
BUT IF YOU DO THE MATH...
00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:40.140
AND, WE'VE GOTTA GET, YOU KNOW,
00:43:40.140 --> 00:43:43.010
THE UNSAVED PEOPLE -- LET'S
00:43:43.020 --> 00:43:46.020
CALL 'EM 5 BILLION PEOPLE ON
00:43:46.020 --> 00:43:48.150
EARTH -- INTO ONE OF THE, YOU
00:43:49.230 --> 00:43:52.230
KNOW, 500.000, 500-- HOWEVER
00:43:54.040 --> 00:43:57.040
MANY CHURCHES THERE ARE IN THE
00:43:57.040 --> 00:43:58.030
WORLD--
00:43:58.030 --> 00:43:59.060
- LEON: YEAH, YEAH.
00:43:59.060 --> 00:44:00.170
- MATT: --AND WE'VE GOT TO GET
00:44:00.170 --> 00:44:01.090
ALL THESE PEOPLE -- 5 BILLION
00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:02.190
PEOPLE -- INTO 500--, YOU KNOW,
00:44:02.190 --> 00:44:05.050
THOUSAND CHURCHES OR WHATEVER
00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:06.150
IT IS...
00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:07.100
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:44:07.100 --> 00:44:09.190
IT SEEMS LIKE THEN YOU HAVE TO
00:44:09.190 --> 00:44:10.190
HAVE A HURRY-UP CAMPAIGN.
00:44:10.190 --> 00:44:11.160
- LEON: YEAH.
00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:12.290
- MATT: BUT IF YOU EMPOWER
00:44:12.290 --> 00:44:14.070
PEOPLE IN THEIR WORKPLACE, IN
00:44:14.070 --> 00:44:16.260
THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY
00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:19.250
HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING IN
00:44:19.250 --> 00:44:22.040
THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE JESUS
00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:27.090
REAL TO PEOPLE, YOU'RE TALKIN'
00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:29.010
ABOUT AN ABILITY TO CHANGE THE
00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:31.280
PLANET PRETTY QUICKLY.
00:44:32.010 --> 00:44:35.010
SO, THIS IS KIND OF A BIG
00:44:35.010 --> 00:44:36.270
SUBJECT HERE--
00:44:36.270 --> 00:44:37.210
- LEON: IT'S HUGE!
00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:38.180
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:44:38.180 --> 00:44:39.080
- LEON: IT IS!
00:44:39.080 --> 00:44:39.260
- MATT: --THAT WE CAN'T TAKE
00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:41.030
WHAT GINORMOUS, BIG THINGS,
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000
LIKE AN AZUSA STREET, AND START
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.100
PUTTING POPES ON TOP OF IT SO
00:44:47.260 --> 00:44:50.260
THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO
00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:51.180
ONE OF THESE POPES.
00:44:51.180 --> 00:44:53.180
WE'VE GOT TO GET THE FIVEFOLD
00:44:53.180 --> 00:44:54.230
MINISTRY, WE'VE GOT TO GET THE
00:44:54.230 --> 00:44:56.110
HOLY SPIRIT WORKING THROUGH
00:44:56.110 --> 00:44:57.080
EVERYONE.
00:44:57.080 --> 00:44:59.100
WHEN IT DOES, THINGS CAN CHANGE
00:44:59.100 --> 00:45:00.040
VERY QUICKLY.
00:45:00.040 --> 00:45:01.060
- LAURIE: WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT
00:45:01.060 --> 00:45:01.280
I THINK IS IMPORTANT?
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.040
IS FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY
00:45:04.040 --> 00:45:05.070
REALIZE WHEN THEY ACCEPT
00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:06.100
CHRIST, WHAT DO THEY GET, LEON?
00:45:06.100 --> 00:45:09.040
WHAT-- HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT--
00:45:09.040 --> 00:45:10.270
WHEN YOU SAY THE SINNER'S
00:45:10.270 --> 00:45:12.140
PRAYER, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'VE
00:45:12.140 --> 00:45:14.030
CALLED THAT NUMBER ON THE
00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:15.160
SCREEN, AND YOU'VE SAID, "OKAY,
00:45:15.160 --> 00:45:16.080
I CONFESS CHRIST AS MY LORD,"
00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:18.050
WHAT-- WE NEED TO STEP BEYOND
00:45:18.050 --> 00:45:20.190
THAT.
00:45:20.190 --> 00:45:21.030
WHAT DOES THAT GIVE US?
00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:23.060
AS BELIEVERS.
00:45:23.060 --> 00:45:23.260
- LEON: YEAH.
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:24.090
IT'S TRUE.
00:45:24.090 --> 00:45:24.240
SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE
00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:26.260
IT'S A JOURNEY.
00:45:26.260 --> 00:45:27.250
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:45:27.250 --> 00:45:28.290
- LEON: YOU DON'T GET MARRIED,
00:45:28.290 --> 00:45:29.210
THEN GO, "I'M FINISHED, I'M
00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:30.110
DONE, I FINALLY MARRIED HER!"
00:45:30.110 --> 00:45:31.040
AND THEN GO OFF.
00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:32.220
IT'S THE START OF A
00:45:32.220 --> 00:45:33.100
RELATIONSHIP.
00:45:33.100 --> 00:45:34.140
SO, WHEN PEOPLE GIVE THEIR
00:45:34.140 --> 00:45:35.210
LIVES TO JESUS CHRIST, AND HE
00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:37.130
COMES WITHIN THEM, THEY ARE--
00:45:37.130 --> 00:45:39.080
IT'S NOT JUST A FORGIVENESS OF
00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:40.200
SINS.
00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:42.050
THE LIGHTS COME ON.
00:45:42.050 --> 00:45:43.180
THEY'RE A BRAND-NEW CREATION.
00:45:43.270 --> 00:45:46.270
THEY HAVE A CAPACITY TO LEARN,
00:45:46.270 --> 00:45:48.150
A CAPACITY TO HOUSE.
00:45:48.150 --> 00:45:49.280
THEY'VE GOT THE PRESENCE OF
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.260
GOD.
00:45:50.260 --> 00:45:51.250
AND NOW, WE HAVE SO DOWNPLAYED
00:45:51.250 --> 00:45:53.080
THIS, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW:
00:45:53.080 --> 00:45:54.180
BRING 'EM UP IN CREW AND PUT
00:45:54.180 --> 00:45:55.280
'EM OVER THERE IN THE
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.070
CLASSROOM, AND STAMP 'EM.
00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:58.160
- LAURIE: PUT THEIR NAME ON A
00:45:58.160 --> 00:46:00.030
BOARD.
00:46:00.030 --> 00:46:00.190
- LEON: AND ATTEND CHURCH
00:46:00.190 --> 00:46:01.090
REGULARLY AND TITHE.
00:46:01.090 --> 00:46:02.090
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:46:02.090 --> 00:46:02.260
- LEON: AND, WE'VE KIND OF
00:46:02.260 --> 00:46:03.250
BACKED AWAY BECAUSE WE'VE
00:46:03.250 --> 00:46:04.140
ALMOST THOUGHT, "WELL, I DON'T
00:46:04.140 --> 00:46:05.140
WANNA LET THEM DOWN BY THEIR
00:46:05.140 --> 00:46:06.200
PRAYING FOR THE SICK OR GETTING
00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:07.230
A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE."
00:46:07.230 --> 00:46:08.220
BUT, IF YOU WERE TO REALLY ASK
00:46:08.220 --> 00:46:10.170
ME WHAT DO I THINK WOULD CAUSE
00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:12.000
MASSIVE RISE AMONGST CHRISTIAN
00:46:12.210 --> 00:46:15.210
PEOPLE, IT WOULD BE TO BEGIN TO
00:46:15.210 --> 00:46:17.140
SPEAK TRUTH.
00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:21.230
BECAUSE JOHN 8:32 SAYS: "AND
00:46:21.230 --> 00:46:23.140
YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE
00:46:23.180 --> 00:46:26.180
TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU FREE."
00:46:26.180 --> 00:46:29.000
- MATT: WE'RE SITTING WITH
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.090
LEON FONTAINE HERE IN BEAUTIFUL
00:46:30.090 --> 00:46:31.180
AND LEON'S PROGRAM
00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:35.060
"SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY" AIRS ON
00:46:35.110 --> 00:46:38.110
TBN FRIDAYS AT 9:30 PACIFIC
00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:40.220
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN LEON'S
00:46:43.130 --> 00:46:44.040
- LEON: YOU KNOW THAT WHEN
00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:49.070
JESUS CAME TO THE PLANET AND HE
00:46:49.070 --> 00:46:50.050
WAS BORN AND HE GREW UP THAT HE
00:46:50.050 --> 00:46:51.140
LOVED EVERYBODY.
00:46:51.140 --> 00:46:54.060
THE ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE HE
00:46:54.060 --> 00:46:55.270
STRUGGLED WITH WERE JUDGMENTAL
00:46:55.270 --> 00:46:56.190
PEOPLE.
00:46:56.190 --> 00:46:58.030
IF YOU'RE SITTING HERE RIGHT
00:46:58.030 --> 00:46:58.270
NOW AND YOU DON'T SERVE GOD
00:46:59.060 --> 00:47:02.080
BECAUSE YOU KNOW A CHRISTIAN
00:47:02.080 --> 00:47:03.200
THAT T-T-T-T-T-T-TICKED YOU OFF
00:47:03.200 --> 00:47:04.280
AND IF THAT'S A CHRISTIAN,
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.200
BLESS GOD, I AIN'T GOIN' TO
00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:09.030
CHURCH -- YOU ARE JUDGMENTAL.
00:47:09.030 --> 00:47:11.210
WHAT?! ME?!
00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:12.100
YEAH, YOU!
00:47:12.100 --> 00:47:15.010
YOU'RE NOT EXPERIENCING GOD
00:47:15.010 --> 00:47:15.210
BECAUSE YOU'RE JUDGING SOMEBODY
00:47:15.210 --> 00:47:16.130
ELSE WHO WAS A JERK.
00:47:16.130 --> 00:47:18.170
REALLY? YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE
00:47:18.170 --> 00:47:19.080
A MOTORBIKE BECAUSE OF HELL'S
00:47:19.080 --> 00:47:19.290
ANGELS?
00:47:19.290 --> 00:47:22.110
[LAUGHTER]
00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:23.090
REALLY?
00:47:23.090 --> 00:47:24.120
YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE A FAST
00:47:24.120 --> 00:47:25.270
CAR BECAUSE OF THE MAFIA?
00:47:25.270 --> 00:47:27.120
[LAUGHTER]
00:47:27.120 --> 00:47:29.250
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET MARRIED
00:47:29.250 --> 00:47:30.210
BECAUSE OF DIVORCES?
00:47:30.210 --> 00:47:32.160
LIKE, JUDGMENT IS WHEN YOU LOOK
00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:35.140
AT SOMEBODY ELSE AND YOU HOLD
00:47:35.140 --> 00:47:37.030
THEM TO A LIST OF RULES AND
00:47:37.030 --> 00:47:39.080
JESUS SAYS: "DON'T JUDGE,
00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:40.290
- MATT: THE "PRAISE THE LORD"
00:47:43.050 --> 00:47:43.260
PROGRAM IS FILLED UP TODAY WITH
00:47:44.230 --> 00:47:47.230
SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY.
00:47:47.230 --> 00:47:48.100
OUR GUEST -- LEON FONTAINE.
00:47:48.100 --> 00:47:49.000
WELCOME TO TEXAS.
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.020
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:47:50.020 --> 00:47:50.280
OKAY, YOUR COMMENT JUST A
00:47:52.020 --> 00:47:55.020
MOMENT AGO, BEFORE THE CLIP,
00:47:55.020 --> 00:47:55.230
WAS REALLY ABOUT WHAT IS INSIDE
00:47:58.020 --> 00:48:01.040
OF A PERSON NOW THAT THEY'VE
00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:01.250
ACCEPTED JESUS AND--
00:48:01.250 --> 00:48:04.160
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:48:04.160 --> 00:48:05.090
AND HOW DO WE ACTIVATE THE
00:48:05.090 --> 00:48:05.290
POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR
00:48:05.290 --> 00:48:06.210
LIVES?
00:48:06.210 --> 00:48:07.050
- MATT: AND EQUIP PEOPLE.
00:48:07.050 --> 00:48:08.040
SO, UH...WE'RE IN OUR LAST
00:48:08.040 --> 00:48:09.050
CHUNK OF PROGRAM HERE.
00:48:11.070 --> 00:48:14.070
AND SO, LEON, KIND OF TAKE OVER
00:48:14.070 --> 00:48:16.100
WHERE YOU WANNA TAKE OVER AND
00:48:16.100 --> 00:48:17.120
GO WHERE YOU WANNA GO.
00:48:17.120 --> 00:48:17.290
WE CERTAINLY WANNA PRAY FOR
00:48:17.290 --> 00:48:18.190
FOLK.
00:48:19.100 --> 00:48:22.100
- LEON: YEAH.
00:48:22.100 --> 00:48:24.070
- MATT: AND WE CERTAINLY
00:48:24.070 --> 00:48:25.250
WANNA, YOU KNOW, GET THEM
00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:28.190
EMPOWERED AND GET THEM, YOU
00:48:28.190 --> 00:48:29.090
KNOW, EQUIPPED AND PRAY THAT
00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:30.000
THEY'LL UNDERSTAND, REALLY,
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:30.240
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
00:48:30.240 --> 00:48:31.240
BUT-- BUT START WHERE YOU WANNA
00:48:31.240 --> 00:48:33.000
START RIGHT NOW AND MOVE INTO
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.070
KIND OF THE FINAL PIECE OF THE
00:48:35.070 --> 00:48:35.280
PROGRAM HERE TOGETHER TODAY.
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:36.260
- LEON: YEAH, THAT'S GOOD
00:48:36.260 --> 00:48:37.190
BECAUSE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.190
TREATED THE WORD AS THOUGH IT
00:48:40.190 --> 00:48:41.280
CREATES ALL OF THESE RULES AND
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.240
IT CREATES ALL OF THESE
00:48:43.240 --> 00:48:44.120
BOUNDARIES.
00:48:44.120 --> 00:48:46.220
AND THEN WE HAVE NINE GIFTS OF
00:48:49.060 --> 00:48:50.010
THE SPIRIT -- THREE SAY
00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:51.060
SOMETHING, THREE DO SOMETHING,
00:48:51.060 --> 00:48:52.020
THREE REVEAL SOMETHING.
00:48:52.020 --> 00:48:54.000
THIS IS WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:54.210
WHAT THAT IS.
00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:55.120
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN JUST
00:48:55.120 --> 00:48:56.080
THE BEAUTIFUL FLOW OF HOLY
00:48:56.080 --> 00:48:58.260
SPIRIT THROUGH OUR LIVES, AND,
00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.220
WE'VE CREATED A WHOLE PHD OUT
00:49:00.220 --> 00:49:02.110
OF IT.
00:49:02.110 --> 00:49:03.270
- MATT: SEGMENTS.
00:49:03.270 --> 00:49:04.130
- LEON: YEAH, WE'VE SEGMENTED
00:49:04.130 --> 00:49:05.080
IT WHERE-- AND SO, WE'VE GOT
00:49:05.080 --> 00:49:06.140
THE PENTECOSTALS WHO BELIEVE
00:49:06.140 --> 00:49:07.210
THAT YOU MUST BE SPEAKING IN
00:49:07.210 --> 00:49:08.220
TONGUES AS A SECOND OPERATION
00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:09.180
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
00:49:09.230 --> 00:49:12.230
AND I'M JUST GOING REALLY FAST.
00:49:12.230 --> 00:49:13.160
AND WE HAVE THE BAPTIST, WHO
00:49:13.160 --> 00:49:14.210
DON'T BUY INTO THAT AT ALL.
00:49:14.210 --> 00:49:15.110
YOU KNOW, MANY OF 'EM ARE
00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:16.040
SAYING, "OKAY, WHEN YOU GET
00:49:16.040 --> 00:49:17.140
SAVED YOU GOT"--
00:49:17.140 --> 00:49:17.290
AND, RATHER THAN DIVE INTO
00:49:17.290 --> 00:49:20.020
THAT, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY
00:49:21.130 --> 00:49:24.130
THAT IF YOU DESIRE HOLY SPIRIT
00:49:24.130 --> 00:49:25.050
TO FLOW IN YOUR LIFE SO THAT
00:49:25.050 --> 00:49:26.190
YOU CAN SHARE WITH PEOPLE IN A
00:49:26.190 --> 00:49:29.010
WAY THAT WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR
00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:31.050
MOUTH HE FILLS IT WITH THE
00:49:31.050 --> 00:49:32.190
PERFECT WORDS, THAT THEY'RE
00:49:32.190 --> 00:49:34.080
JUST TOUCHED RIGHT TO THE
00:49:34.080 --> 00:49:35.040
HEART--
00:49:35.040 --> 00:49:35.270
YOU KNOW, WHEN JESUS TALKED, IT
00:49:35.270 --> 00:49:37.060
ALWAYS TOUCHED THE HEART.
00:49:37.060 --> 00:49:38.100
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:49:38.100 --> 00:49:38.260
- LEON: WHEN WE TALK, IT OFTEN
00:49:38.260 --> 00:49:40.100
JUST TOUCHES THE HEAD.
00:49:40.100 --> 00:49:41.220
AND, IF WE GO TO PRAY FOR
00:49:41.220 --> 00:49:42.170
PEOPLE, AS HOLY SPIRIT FLOWS,
00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:44.050
DO WE HAVE TO KNOW WHETHER IT
00:49:44.050 --> 00:49:45.270
WAS A GIFTS OF HEALINGS OR
00:49:45.270 --> 00:49:48.190
WHETHER IT WAS A GIFT OF FAITH
00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:50.130
OR WHETHER IT WAS A WORKING OF
00:49:50.130 --> 00:49:51.080
MIRACLES?
00:49:51.080 --> 00:49:52.030
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SO
00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:53.030
CONSUMED BY THIS THAT IT
00:49:53.030 --> 00:49:54.080
DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.210
I'VE JUST LEARNED TO GO INTO A
00:49:55.210 --> 00:49:57.140
SITUATION AND SAY: HOLY SPIRIT,
00:49:57.140 --> 00:49:58.280
YOU'RE HERE WITH ME.
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.270
AND ONCE I GOT-- DOCTRINALLY, I
00:50:00.270 --> 00:50:01.220
JUST GOT HAPPY WITH THIS, OKAY?
00:50:02.130 --> 00:50:05.130
AND, BY THE WAY, THERE'S SO
00:50:05.130 --> 00:50:07.020
MUCH TEACHING ON THIS AND WE'RE
00:50:07.020 --> 00:50:08.140
BLASTING THROUGH A LOT OF IT.
00:50:08.140 --> 00:50:09.180
AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME
00:50:09.180 --> 00:50:10.210
GORGEOUS DOCTRINES OF
00:50:10.210 --> 00:50:11.260
HOLY SPIRIT AND THE GIFTS
00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:13.120
THAT I'M NOT POO-POOING IT.
00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:14.020
I'M JUST SAYING WE'VE JUST MADE
00:50:14.020 --> 00:50:15.140
IT SO HARD THAT NO ONE KNOWS:
00:50:15.140 --> 00:50:16.240
OKAY, I'M IN THE-- IS GOD GONNA
00:50:16.240 --> 00:50:18.140
USE ME NOW?
00:50:18.140 --> 00:50:19.150
BUT, INSTEAD, HOLY SPIRIT'S
00:50:19.150 --> 00:50:21.120
TRYING TO SHOW US HE'S ALWAYS
00:50:21.120 --> 00:50:22.200
GOING TO USE US TO DO GOOD.
00:50:22.200 --> 00:50:23.200
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:50:23.200 --> 00:50:25.120
- LEON: HOLY SPIRIT WANTS US
00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:26.050
TO KNOW THAT WHETHER YOU'RE
00:50:26.050 --> 00:50:27.100
BAPTIST OR PENTECOSTAL, YOU CAN
00:50:27.100 --> 00:50:29.000
DESIRE TO FLOW WITH HIM.
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.240
HE'S GOING TO SHOW YOU THINGS
00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:32.030
TO COME.
00:50:32.030 --> 00:50:33.050
HE'S GOING TO LEAD YOU INTO ALL
00:50:33.050 --> 00:50:35.040
TRUTH.
00:50:35.040 --> 00:50:36.230
HE'S GOING TO USE YOU TO TOUCH
00:50:36.230 --> 00:50:38.020
PEOPLE.
00:50:38.020 --> 00:50:39.100
AND IF WE CAN GO TO THERE AND
00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:40.150
THEN JUST EVERY DAY JUST START
00:50:40.150 --> 00:50:41.160
PRAYING, "HOLY SPIRIT, USE ME;
00:50:41.160 --> 00:50:44.030
HOLY SPIRIT, SHOW THINGS TO ME;
00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:45.220
HOLY SPIRIT, LET ME PRAY WITH
00:50:45.220 --> 00:50:47.050
PEOPLE FOR POWER AND FOR
00:50:47.050 --> 00:50:48.290
HEALING"--
00:50:48.290 --> 00:50:49.290
AND SO, THAT'S WHAT I DID AS A
00:50:49.290 --> 00:50:51.170
PARAMEDIC THERE.
00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:54.240
AND INCREDIBLE MIRACLES FLOW.
00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.270
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER
00:50:56.270 --> 00:50:57.170
THINGS I'M GONNA TOUCH ON --
00:50:57.170 --> 00:50:58.210
I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THE
00:50:58.210 --> 00:50:59.150
MIRACLES OF HEALINGS -- THE
00:50:59.150 --> 00:51:00.210
THING THAT REALLY ALSO
00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:02.000
CONTAINED ME WAS MY END TIMES
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.030
DOCTRINE.
00:51:03.030 --> 00:51:04.140
GOD HAD TO CHANGE MY STUFF ON
00:51:04.140 --> 00:51:05.050
THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHING.
00:51:05.050 --> 00:51:07.000
I MEAN, HE HAD TO MESS WITH ME
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.100
ON MY END-TIMES DOCTRINE.
00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:09.100
WHEN I WAS A KID, ANOTHER THING
00:51:09.100 --> 00:51:10.230
THAT I HAD TO DEAL WITH WAS
00:51:10.230 --> 00:51:12.060
THAT I WENT TO THIS MOVIE
00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:13.150
CALLED "A THIEF IN THE NIGHT."
00:51:13.150 --> 00:51:14.270
I THINK THEY LET US BRING IT
00:51:14.270 --> 00:51:16.070
INTO OUR CHURCHES, EVEN, AT
00:51:16.070 --> 00:51:16.270
SOME POINT.
00:51:16.270 --> 00:51:18.160
AND, IT JUST SCARED ME TO NO
00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:19.100
END THAT THIS WAS HOW JESUS WAS
00:51:19.100 --> 00:51:22.040
COMING BACK, THAT THE CHURCH
00:51:22.040 --> 00:51:24.070
WAS GONNA BE PERSECUTED AND
00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:25.280
WHIPPED AND BEATEN, AND THE
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.080
GOSPEL WASN'T GOING TO PREVAIL
00:51:27.080 --> 00:51:28.220
IN COUNTRIES, BUT WORLD
00:51:28.220 --> 00:51:29.280
GOVERNMENTS WERE GONNA RISE UP.
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.120
AND THEN, JESUS WOULD HAVE TO
00:51:31.120 --> 00:51:32.190
COME IN AND RESCUE ME.
00:51:32.190 --> 00:51:35.100
SO, THIS THING THAT I HAD BEEN
00:51:35.100 --> 00:51:37.200
TAUGHT THAT "IF I BE LIFTED
00:51:37.200 --> 00:51:38.100
UP...I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO
00:51:38.100 --> 00:51:39.290
ME"-- JESUS SAID THAT "THE
00:51:39.290 --> 00:51:42.000
GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.290
AGAINST [THE CHURCH]."
00:51:43.290 --> 00:51:45.110
JESUS SAID GO INTO THE WORLD
00:51:45.110 --> 00:51:46.130
"AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL
00:51:46.130 --> 00:51:47.150
NATIONS."
00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:48.160
SO, I'D HAD THIS DOCTRINE OF:
00:51:48.160 --> 00:51:49.250
WE'RE GONNA GET UP AND THE
00:51:49.250 --> 00:51:50.210
CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS GOING
00:51:50.210 --> 00:51:51.250
TO ADVANCE AND TAKE COUNTRIES,
00:51:51.250 --> 00:51:52.270
AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE
00:51:52.270 --> 00:51:53.270
GOVERNMENTS, WE'RE GONNA RISE
00:51:53.270 --> 00:51:55.040
UP AND BE IN CHARGE OF MOVIES.
00:51:55.040 --> 00:51:56.000
AND I MEAN, THIS WAS MY--
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:57.050
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S LIKE,
00:51:57.050 --> 00:51:57.290
"OH..."
00:51:57.290 --> 00:51:59.200
AND THEN, EVERYWHERE I WENT--
00:51:59.200 --> 00:52:01.050
AND SO, WHATEVER YOUR END-TIMES
00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:02.240
DOCTRINE IS, PLEASE GET RID OF
00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:04.080
THE DEFEATEDNESS THAT GOES WITH
00:52:04.080 --> 00:52:05.140
IT.
00:52:05.140 --> 00:52:07.000
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:07.180
- LEON: I MEAN, I WAS SO
00:52:07.180 --> 00:52:08.110
SCARED I WAS GOING, "GOD,
00:52:08.110 --> 00:52:09.080
PLEASE DON'T COME BACK TILL AT
00:52:09.080 --> 00:52:09.290
LEAST-- I WANNA GET MARRIED AND
00:52:09.290 --> 00:52:10.280
MAKE SURE THAT I CAN TRY SEX,"
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.060
YOU KNOW.
00:52:12.060 --> 00:52:13.170
"BE ABLE TO-- I WANNA MAKE SURE
00:52:13.170 --> 00:52:14.090
I CAN HAVE BABIES.
00:52:14.090 --> 00:52:15.000
[LAUGHTER]
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:15.120
I WANT-- OH, GOD, THERE'S SO
00:52:15.120 --> 00:52:16.030
MANY THINGS I WANNA--
00:52:16.030 --> 00:52:16.200
DON'T COME BACK YET!"
00:52:16.200 --> 00:52:18.030
YOU KNOW?
00:52:18.030 --> 00:52:19.000
[LAUGHTER]
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:20.030
AND THEN-- AND I MEAN EVERYBODY
00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:20.250
WAS--
00:52:20.250 --> 00:52:21.110
- LAURIE: DID YOU HAVE TO SAY
00:52:21.110 --> 00:52:22.090
THAT?
00:52:22.090 --> 00:52:23.220
[LAUGHTER]
00:52:23.220 --> 00:52:24.060
- LEON: I THINK CHRISTIANS ARE
00:52:24.060 --> 00:52:24.280
OKAY WITH THAT, TOO.
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:25.190
- MATT: YEAH.
00:52:25.190 --> 00:52:26.110
[LAUGHTER]
00:52:26.110 --> 00:52:27.240
- LEON: BUT, THEN I BEGAN TO
00:52:27.240 --> 00:52:29.040
RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT'S THE SENSE
00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:30.120
OF GOING TO UNIVERSITY AND
00:52:30.120 --> 00:52:31.290
GETTING A DEGREE?
00:52:31.290 --> 00:52:32.260
WHAT'S THE SENSE IN GOING TO
00:52:32.260 --> 00:52:33.170
SEMINARY AND GETTING A DEGREE
00:52:33.170 --> 00:52:34.100
THERE?
00:52:34.100 --> 00:52:35.280
WHAT'S THE SENSE IN BUYING
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.170
BUILDINGS?
00:52:36.170 --> 00:52:37.070
JUST RUSH TO THE STREETS AND
00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:37.280
GET 'EM SAVED.
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:38.170
BECAUSE WE MUST BE READY TODAY!
00:52:38.170 --> 00:52:40.020
CAUSE TODAY--
00:52:40.020 --> 00:52:41.120
AND SO, WE FELT LIKE THIS SENSE
00:52:41.120 --> 00:52:43.250
OF URGENCY WAS GONNA KEEP US
00:52:43.250 --> 00:52:45.010
PURE, IT WAS GONNA KEEP US
00:52:45.010 --> 00:52:45.210
READY.
00:52:45.210 --> 00:52:46.190
- LAURIE: MMH.
00:52:46.190 --> 00:52:47.160
- LEON: AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS
00:52:47.160 --> 00:52:48.240
-- FROM WHAT I CAN TELL -- FROM
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:50.070
MY GENERATION AND ON, WE HAD
00:52:50.070 --> 00:52:51.290
THIS MASSIVE DISCONNECT.
00:52:51.290 --> 00:52:54.010
JESUS IS COMING, JESUS IS
00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:54.260
COMING, JESUS IS COMING!
00:52:54.260 --> 00:52:56.180
BOOK SAYS HE'S COMING-- 1980.
00:52:56.180 --> 00:52:58.040
HE'S COMING 1982.
00:52:58.040 --> 00:52:59.000
HE'S COMING 1988.
00:52:59.000 --> 00:52:59.270
HE'S COMING 2000.
00:52:59.270 --> 00:53:00.290
HE'S COMING 2012.
00:53:00.290 --> 00:53:02.000
WE GOT THE MAYAN CALENDAR--
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:02.250
- MATT: YEAH.
00:53:02.250 --> 00:53:03.280
- LEON: WE GOT ALL THESE BOOKS
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.200
THAT NO ONE APOLOGIZED OR GAVE
00:53:04.200 --> 00:53:05.220
THEIR MONEY BACK.
00:53:05.220 --> 00:53:07.000
[LAUGHTER]
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:07.190
THERE'S THIS MASSIVE REJECTION
00:53:07.190 --> 00:53:09.110
NOW OF END TIMES.
00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:10.040
AND: IS JESUS EVEN REAL?
00:53:10.040 --> 00:53:11.220
IF ALL THESE QUALIFIED MEN AND
00:53:11.220 --> 00:53:12.130
THEY ALL DISAGREE...
00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:14.100
[SCOFFS]
00:53:14.100 --> 00:53:15.100
SO, IF YOU'RE END-TIMES
00:53:15.100 --> 00:53:16.270
DOCTRINE IS A ONE THAT IS A
00:53:16.270 --> 00:53:19.110
DEFEATED ONE THAT JESUS HAS TO
00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:21.130
RESCUE THE POOR LITTLE REMNANT
00:53:21.130 --> 00:53:22.200
WHO ARE STRUGGLING...
00:53:22.200 --> 00:53:24.100
MERCY DROPS AROUND US ARE
00:53:24.100 --> 00:53:25.180
FALLING BUT FOR THE SHOWERS WE
00:53:25.180 --> 00:53:27.070
PLEAD, HOLDING THE FORT TILL
00:53:28.290 --> 00:53:31.290
JESUS RESTS--
00:53:31.290 --> 00:53:32.270
WHAT IN THE WORLD?!
00:53:32.270 --> 00:53:33.180
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:53:33.180 --> 00:53:34.280
NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU--
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:35.210
AND IF YOU DO, YOU'RE TAKING IT
00:53:35.210 --> 00:53:36.280
OUT OF CONTEXT.
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.110
AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE'RE
00:53:38.110 --> 00:53:39.140
GONNA ADVANCE AND BUY BUILDINGS
00:53:39.140 --> 00:53:40.100
AND LANDS AND TELEVISION
00:53:40.100 --> 00:53:41.070
STATIONS AND GET INTO COUNTRIES
00:53:41.070 --> 00:53:42.290
AND LANGUAGES.
00:53:42.290 --> 00:53:44.010
AND WHEN MY KIDS HEAR THAT,
00:53:44.010 --> 00:53:44.210
THEY GO, "I WANNA GET ON BOARD
00:53:44.210 --> 00:53:45.130
WITH THIS."
00:53:45.130 --> 00:53:46.160
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:47.050
- MATT: YEAH.
00:53:47.050 --> 00:53:47.250
- LEON: "'CAUSE WHEN YOU'RE
00:53:47.250 --> 00:53:48.180
GONE, DAD, I'LL RUN THIS," AND
00:53:48.180 --> 00:53:49.140
"I'M GONNA RUN THIS COUNTRY,"
00:53:49.140 --> 00:53:50.050
AND "I'LL RUN THE TV," AND
00:53:50.050 --> 00:53:51.000
"I'LL TAKE ON THIS."
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:51.250
THEY'VE GOT DREAMS AND VISIONS.
00:53:51.250 --> 00:53:52.180
BUT IF JESUS IS COMING BACK AND
00:53:52.180 --> 00:53:54.100
BLOWING IT ALL UP BECAUSE WE
00:53:54.100 --> 00:53:55.010
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO EVEN
00:53:55.010 --> 00:53:55.270
TOUCH A NATION AND THE
00:53:55.270 --> 00:53:57.080
ANTICHRIST--
00:53:57.080 --> 00:53:59.090
SO, I'M NOT PICKING WHICH ONE
00:53:59.090 --> 00:54:02.070
IS RIGHT AND WHICH ONE IS
00:54:02.070 --> 00:54:02.260
WRONG.
00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:03.120
WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE BETTER BE
00:54:03.120 --> 00:54:04.040
A VICTORIOUS CHURCH WITHOUT
00:54:04.040 --> 00:54:05.020
SPOT OR WRINKLE.
00:54:05.020 --> 00:54:06.190
'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT,
00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:09.130
THEN YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE NEXT
00:54:09.130 --> 00:54:10.050
GENERATION.
00:54:10.050 --> 00:54:10.170
AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOST THE
00:54:10.170 --> 00:54:11.130
NEXT GENERATION WAS,
00:54:11.130 --> 00:54:12.260
I THINK, PASTORS AND THE
00:54:12.260 --> 00:54:13.250
FIVEFOLD.
00:54:13.250 --> 00:54:15.100
AND WE ALL LOVE GOD.
00:54:15.100 --> 00:54:16.030
WE JUST...TOOK OVER THE
00:54:16.030 --> 00:54:16.290
MINISTRY.
00:54:16.290 --> 00:54:19.090
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST SHEEP.
00:54:19.090 --> 00:54:20.030
YOU KNOW?
00:54:20.030 --> 00:54:21.060
[BLEATS]
00:54:21.060 --> 00:54:22.090
I MEAN, THEY JUST FOLLOW
00:54:22.090 --> 00:54:23.130
SOMEBODY.
00:54:23.130 --> 00:54:24.170
SO, THE POOR DUMB SHEEP DON'T
00:54:24.170 --> 00:54:26.020
REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO.
00:54:26.020 --> 00:54:27.130
SO, AS A PASTOR, I GOTTA LOOK
00:54:27.130 --> 00:54:28.130
AFTER THEM.
00:54:28.130 --> 00:54:29.140
THAT'S RIDICULOUS!
00:54:29.140 --> 00:54:31.020
IT DOESN'T SAY-- IT SAYS THAT
00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:32.170
WHEN WE GIVE OUR LIVES TO
00:54:32.170 --> 00:54:33.120
JESUS CHRIST THAT HE'S GONNA
00:54:33.120 --> 00:54:34.290
GUIDE US, HE'S GONNA LEAD US,
00:54:35.070 --> 00:54:38.070
WE'RE THE SONS!
00:54:38.070 --> 00:54:38.210
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT HE'S GONNA
00:54:38.210 --> 00:54:39.130
RAISE PASTORS UP.
00:54:39.130 --> 00:54:40.070
IT SAYS EVERY BELIVER--
00:54:40.070 --> 00:54:42.150
THESE SIGNS ARE GONNA FOLLOW
00:54:42.150 --> 00:54:43.060
THOSE WHO BELIEVE!
00:54:43.060 --> 00:54:43.210
IT'S BELIEVERS!
00:54:43.210 --> 00:54:44.130
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:54:44.130 --> 00:54:46.120
- LEON: WE ARE SHARP, WE'RE
00:54:46.120 --> 00:54:47.020
LED BY THE SPIRIT.
00:54:47.020 --> 00:54:47.170
WE KNOW.
00:54:47.170 --> 00:54:47.290
WE'VE GOT WISDOM.
00:54:47.290 --> 00:54:48.180
IT CRIES ALOUD IN THE STREETS!
00:54:48.180 --> 00:54:49.230
IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE FIVEFOLD
00:54:49.230 --> 00:54:50.140
MINISTRY.
00:54:50.140 --> 00:54:51.090
WE OUGHT TO RAISE UP
00:54:51.090 --> 00:54:53.230
PHENOMENAL, INCREDIBLE PEOPLE
00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:54.140
AND BELIEVE THAT ABOUT THEM
00:54:54.170 --> 00:54:57.170
THEN THEY BELIEVE THAT ABOUT
00:54:57.170 --> 00:54:58.080
THEM.
00:54:58.080 --> 00:54:58.190
- LAURIE: YES.
00:54:58.190 --> 00:54:59.030
- LEON: AND THEY RISE UP.
00:54:59.030 --> 00:54:59.280
WE KNOW THAT AS A KID YOU
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:00.190
LOOK TO YOUR PARENTS FOR YOUR
00:55:00.190 --> 00:55:01.120
IDENTITY AND WHAT YOU CAN
00:55:01.120 --> 00:55:02.060
AND CAN'T DO.
00:55:02.060 --> 00:55:04.190
THEN WHEN YOU HIT 12, YOU LOOK
00:55:04.190 --> 00:55:06.010
TO YOUR FRIENDS AND SOMEBODY
00:55:06.010 --> 00:55:06.280
ELSE.
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.160
- MATT: WOW.
00:55:07.160 --> 00:55:08.030
- LEON: YOU LOOK TO A COACH.
00:55:08.030 --> 00:55:09.140
YOU LOOK TO A PASTOR, A LEADER.
00:55:09.140 --> 00:55:10.220
SO, IF ALL OF US AS LEADERS
00:55:10.220 --> 00:55:13.020
HAVE A DEFEATED CHURCH, IF
00:55:13.020 --> 00:55:14.140
YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP...
00:55:14.140 --> 00:55:16.150
[BLEATS]
00:55:16.150 --> 00:55:17.130
GOD BLESS YOU, HAVE BABIES, AND
00:55:17.130 --> 00:55:18.120
GET A JOB, AND, WE'LL DO THE
00:55:18.120 --> 00:55:19.230
WORK OF THE MINISTRY.
00:55:19.230 --> 00:55:20.180
WE'RE THE EXPERTS.
00:55:20.180 --> 00:55:21.070
YOU'RE THE ROOKIES.
00:55:21.070 --> 00:55:23.190
YOU KNOW: WE'RE THE CLERGY --
00:55:23.190 --> 00:55:24.100
LAITY.
00:55:24.100 --> 00:55:25.050
UNTIL WE START TAKING SOME OF
00:55:25.050 --> 00:55:25.260
THESE THINGS APART, I DON'T
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:26.170
THINK WE REALIZE HOW MUCH THEY
00:55:26.170 --> 00:55:28.050
HAVE DEMORALIZED THE EMERGING
00:55:28.050 --> 00:55:29.060
GENERATIONS.
00:55:29.060 --> 00:55:30.250
'CAUSE THIS EMERGING
00:55:30.250 --> 00:55:31.240
GENERATION?
00:55:31.240 --> 00:55:32.260
THEY'RE TACTILE.
00:55:32.260 --> 00:55:34.010
THEY WANNA PRAY FOR PEOPLE.
00:55:34.010 --> 00:55:35.020
THEY WANNA GET INVOLVED IN THE
00:55:35.020 --> 00:55:36.030
CONVERSATION NOT BE PREACHED
00:55:36.030 --> 00:55:36.260
AT.
00:55:37.110 --> 00:55:40.110
THEY WANNA GO TRY IT AND "SHOW
00:55:40.110 --> 00:55:41.030
ME HOW."
00:55:41.030 --> 00:55:41.130
IT'S THE MOST EXCITING
00:55:41.130 --> 00:55:42.010
GENERATION WE'VE EVER SEEN!
00:55:42.010 --> 00:55:42.210
BUT MOST CHURCHES CAN'T EVEN
00:55:42.210 --> 00:55:43.110
TOUCH THEM.
00:55:43.110 --> 00:55:44.100
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIT
00:55:44.100 --> 00:55:45.000
WHILE YOU GO PLAY THE GAME.
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:45.270
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:55:45.270 --> 00:55:46.290
- MATT: WOW.
00:55:46.290 --> 00:55:47.140
- LEON: THEY WANNA BE
00:55:47.140 --> 00:55:48.110
INVOLVED.
00:55:48.110 --> 00:55:48.280
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.210
- MATT: SIT BY, YOU GO PLAY
00:55:50.210 --> 00:55:51.110
THE GAME, WHILE YOU GO PLAY THE
00:55:51.110 --> 00:55:52.180
GAME IS AN ANALOGY YOU WERE
00:55:52.180 --> 00:55:53.080
USING EARLIER.
00:55:53.080 --> 00:55:55.270
WHO WOULD WANNA BE ON A
00:55:55.270 --> 00:55:56.150
FOOTBALL TEAM IF ONLY THE
00:55:56.150 --> 00:55:57.250
COUCHES WENT OUT ONTO THE FIELD
00:55:57.250 --> 00:55:59.040
AND PLAYED IT?
00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:00.180
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:56:00.180 --> 00:56:01.090
- LEON: YEAH.
00:56:01.090 --> 00:56:02.080
- MATT: AND THAT WE AS, YOU
00:56:02.080 --> 00:56:04.090
KNOW, THE PLAYERS NEVER GOT
00:56:04.090 --> 00:56:06.010
INTO THE GAME BECAUSE THE COACH
00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:07.180
WAS THROWING TO THE OTHER
00:56:07.180 --> 00:56:10.000
COACH.
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.210
AND THE RUNNING BACK WAS, YOU
00:56:11.210 --> 00:56:12.230
KNOW--
00:56:12.230 --> 00:56:14.090
ALL THE COACHES TOOK THE FIELD
00:56:14.090 --> 00:56:16.120
AND WE AS PLAYERS NEVER TOOK
00:56:16.120 --> 00:56:17.140
THE FIELD.
00:56:17.140 --> 00:56:18.090
- LEON: YEAH.
00:56:18.090 --> 00:56:19.130
- MATT: THAT'S JUST A WEIRD
00:56:19.130 --> 00:56:20.030
ANALOGY.
00:56:20.030 --> 00:56:20.210
- LEON: YEAH.
00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:21.110
- MATT: BUT IN ONE SENSE,
00:56:21.110 --> 00:56:22.060
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S
00:56:22.060 --> 00:56:22.290
HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, IN THE
00:56:22.290 --> 00:56:24.110
CHURCH.
00:56:24.110 --> 00:56:27.000
- LEON: YES.
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.040
- MATT: THAT'S NOT WHAT
00:56:28.040 --> 00:56:30.010
HAPPENS IN THE MILITARY.
00:56:30.010 --> 00:56:30.280
[LEON CHUCKLES]
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:31.140
- LEON: NOPE.
00:56:31.140 --> 00:56:31.290
- MATT: YOU KNOW?
00:56:31.290 --> 00:56:33.000
- LEON: NOPE.
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:33.280
- MATT: THE HIGHER UP IN RANK
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.010
YOU GO, THE FURTHER AFIELD FROM
00:56:35.010 --> 00:56:36.210
THE ACTUAL BATTLE YOU ARE.
00:56:36.210 --> 00:56:38.200
- LEON: YEAH.
00:56:38.200 --> 00:56:39.050
- MATT: AND THE IDEA THAT THE
00:56:39.050 --> 00:56:41.050
CHURCH HAS NEVER GOTTEN THAT
00:56:41.090 --> 00:56:44.090
RIGHT, THAT WE JUST ARE SIMPLY
00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:47.260
TO GO INTO CHURCH, SIT THERE
00:56:47.260 --> 00:56:49.000
AND LISTEN AND NOT BE EQUIPPED
00:56:49.120 --> 00:56:52.120
IS REALLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE
00:56:52.120 --> 00:56:54.130
CHURCH AND WE'RE TRYIN' TO FIX
00:56:54.130 --> 00:56:55.060
- LEON: YEAH, AND WE DON'T
00:56:57.210 --> 00:56:58.110
HAND-- I MEAN, WHEN SOMEONE GOES
00:56:58.110 --> 00:56:59.150
IN THE MILITARY, WE DON'T HAND
00:56:59.150 --> 00:57:00.160
THEM AN ABRAMS TANK THE FIRST
00:57:00.160 --> 00:57:01.120
DAY.
00:57:01.120 --> 00:57:03.060
IN FACT, I DON'T THINK WE EVEN
00:57:03.060 --> 00:57:04.060
REALLY GET A REAL GUN.
00:57:04.060 --> 00:57:05.050
[LAUGHTER]
00:57:05.050 --> 00:57:06.060
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
00:57:06.060 --> 00:57:07.120
YOU START THEM--
00:57:07.120 --> 00:57:08.200
AND SO, THAT'S WHAT I DO WITH
00:57:08.200 --> 00:57:09.110
MY CONGREGATION.
00:57:09.110 --> 00:57:10.150
AND WHEN I'M TEACHIN', I'LL GO:
00:57:10.150 --> 00:57:12.100
OKAY, WHEN YOU LEARN TO LISTEN
00:57:12.100 --> 00:57:13.090
TO HOLY SPIRIT, THIS IS WHAT IT
00:57:13.090 --> 00:57:14.010
I SHARE ONE STORY ABOUT A
00:57:16.210 --> 00:57:18.150
DELIVERY GUY THAT CAME TO MY
00:57:18.150 --> 00:57:20.030
DOOR.
00:57:20.030 --> 00:57:22.150
AND, AS I'M SIGNING FOR A
00:57:22.150 --> 00:57:23.040
PACKAGE, I JUST FELT SOMETHING
00:57:23.040 --> 00:57:23.260
RISE UP.
00:57:23.260 --> 00:57:26.160
THIS WORD JUST KIND OF EXPLODED
00:57:26.160 --> 00:57:27.160
INTO MY HEAD STRONG: SUICIDE.
00:57:27.160 --> 00:57:29.020
SUICIDE.
00:57:29.020 --> 00:57:31.080
AND-- AND SO, I JUST LOOKED AT
00:57:31.080 --> 00:57:32.140
HIM.
00:57:32.140 --> 00:57:33.060
AND, FINALLY, I MEAN-- IN MOST
00:57:33.060 --> 00:57:35.100
PLACES, YOU'D HAVE TO EITHER
00:57:35.100 --> 00:57:36.050
GIVE A TONGUES AND
00:57:36.050 --> 00:57:37.050
INTERPRETATION OF, "THE LORD
00:57:37.050 --> 00:57:38.230
HAS JUST SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT
00:57:38.230 --> 00:57:39.130
YOU"--
00:57:39.130 --> 00:57:39.250
YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S NOT
00:57:39.250 --> 00:57:40.130
CONTEMPORARY OR COOL.
00:57:40.130 --> 00:57:41.190
SO-- 'CAUSE WE GOT TWO THINGS
00:57:41.190 --> 00:57:42.210
HAPPENING HERE.
00:57:42.210 --> 00:57:43.060
SPIRITUALLY ALIVE BUT
00:57:43.060 --> 00:57:44.120
CONTEMPORARY, RELEVANT, AND
00:57:44.120 --> 00:57:45.110
COOL.
00:57:45.110 --> 00:57:46.210
SO, I LOOKED AT THIS TOUGH
00:57:46.210 --> 00:57:48.110
LOOKIN' BIKER-TYPE GUY.
00:57:48.110 --> 00:57:49.160
AND I SAID -- AS I HANDED HIM
00:57:49.160 --> 00:57:50.070
BACK HIS CLIPBOARD -- I SAID,
00:57:50.070 --> 00:57:51.050
"MAN, DON'T DO IT."
00:57:51.050 --> 00:57:53.040
HE SAID, "EXCUSE ME?"
00:57:53.040 --> 00:57:54.200
AND I SAID, "DON'T DO IT.
00:57:54.200 --> 00:57:57.060
DON'T-- DON'T-- DON'T KILL
00:57:57.060 --> 00:57:57.250
YOURSELF."
00:57:57.250 --> 00:57:59.170
AND HE SWORE A LITTLE BIT AND
00:57:59.170 --> 00:58:00.100
THEN HE GOES, "HOW DID YOU KNOW
00:58:00.100 --> 00:58:01.150
THAT?"
00:58:01.150 --> 00:58:04.140
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:58:04.140 --> 00:58:05.120
- LEON: AND, RIGHT AWAY, I
00:58:05.120 --> 00:58:06.070
COULD HAVE GONE, "THE LORD
00:58:06.070 --> 00:58:07.240
SPEAKS TO ME, AND"--
00:58:07.240 --> 00:58:08.160
YOU KNOW?
00:58:08.160 --> 00:58:09.020
BUT INSTEAD, I SAID, "WELL,"
00:58:09.020 --> 00:58:10.000
YOU KNOW, "SO IT'S TRUE?"
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:10.200
HE SAYS, "MAN, I WAS
00:58:10.200 --> 00:58:11.180
GONNA-- THIS WAS MY LAST CALL.
00:58:11.180 --> 00:58:12.220
I WAS OFFIN' MYSELF, RIGHT
00:58:12.220 --> 00:58:13.130
AFTER THIS."
00:58:13.130 --> 00:58:15.060
- LAURIE: MMH.
00:58:15.060 --> 00:58:15.290
- LEON: SEE, THAT'S HOLY
00:58:15.290 --> 00:58:16.180
SPIRIT SHOWIN' IT TO ME.
00:58:16.180 --> 00:58:17.170
BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANGELS WALKING
00:58:17.170 --> 00:58:19.230
UP AND DOWN LADDERS.
00:58:19.230 --> 00:58:20.260
- MATT: YEAH.
00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:21.100
- LEON: I DIDN'T HAVE A BIG
00:58:21.100 --> 00:58:22.050
OL' VISION.
00:58:22.050 --> 00:58:22.240
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:58:22.240 --> 00:58:24.200
THE LORD HAVIN' A BIG OL' VOICE
00:58:24.200 --> 00:58:25.120
THAT: (DEEPENS VOICE) HE'S
00:58:25.120 --> 00:58:26.020
GOING TO KILL HIMSELF.
00:58:26.020 --> 00:58:27.000
ALL I GOT WAS ONE LITTLE
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:27.190
WORD THAT JUST CAME UP:
00:58:27.190 --> 00:58:28.110
SUICIDE.
00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:29.070
AND AS I STEPPED OUT IN FAITH
00:58:29.070 --> 00:58:30.230
ON IT, AND JUST--
00:58:30.230 --> 00:58:32.270
AND WHEN I SAID, "DON'T DO IT,"
00:58:32.270 --> 00:58:33.200
IF I WAS WRONG, AND--
00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:34.150
IF I WAS WRONG AND HE SAID,
00:58:35.180 --> 00:58:38.180
"WHAT ARE YOU TALKIN' ABOUT?"--
00:58:38.180 --> 00:58:39.280
I SAID, "YOU'RE NOT GONNA KILL
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:40.200
YOURSELF, ARE YOU?" AND HE
00:58:40.200 --> 00:58:42.220
GOES, "NO, MAN -- WHATEVER GAVE
00:58:42.220 --> 00:58:43.200
YOU THAT IDEA?!" I WOULD HAVE
00:58:43.200 --> 00:58:44.110
GONE, "AW, MAN, I'M SORRY,
00:58:44.110 --> 00:58:45.040
SOMETIMES I'M LIKE THIS A
00:58:45.040 --> 00:58:45.240
LITTLE."
00:58:45.240 --> 00:58:46.100
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
00:58:46.100 --> 00:58:46.280
YOU KNOW, I COULDA BACKED OUT
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:47.200
OF THAT EASY.
00:58:47.200 --> 00:58:48.160
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO LEARN TO
00:58:48.160 --> 00:58:50.160
MINISTER TO PEOPLE WHERE WE'RE
00:58:50.160 --> 00:58:51.110
AT.
00:58:51.110 --> 00:58:52.250
IF YOU WALK INTO A ROOM--
00:58:52.250 --> 00:58:53.210
I'LL TELL OUR CHURCH THIS:
00:58:53.210 --> 00:58:55.110
I WALK INTO PLACES OFTEN AND
00:58:55.110 --> 00:58:57.040
SOMEONE STANDS OUT TO ME.
00:58:57.040 --> 00:58:58.230
AND I KNOW BEFORE THIS EVENT IS
00:58:58.230 --> 00:59:00.100
OVER, BEFORE THIS NIGHT IS DONE
00:59:00.100 --> 00:59:02.070
THAT PERSON I WILL BE TALKING
00:59:02.070 --> 00:59:03.020
TO.
00:59:03.030 --> 00:59:06.030
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
00:59:06.030 --> 00:59:07.160
- LEON: NOW, I DON'T GO, AS I
00:59:07.160 --> 00:59:08.070
WALK INTO A ROOM: AHEM!
00:59:08.070 --> 00:59:08.270
YOU -- THUS SAITH THE LORD UNTO
00:59:08.270 --> 00:59:10.030
THEE I AM GONNA SPEAK WITH
00:59:10.030 --> 00:59:11.170
THEE!
00:59:11.170 --> 00:59:12.100
COME ON OVER HERE!
00:59:12.100 --> 00:59:12.270
I HAVE A WORD FROM GOD!
00:59:12.270 --> 00:59:13.210
NO.
00:59:13.210 --> 00:59:14.150
FOR ME, AS A REGULAR PERSON, IF
00:59:14.220 --> 00:59:17.220
I'M AT A PARTY WITH FRIENDS OR
00:59:17.220 --> 00:59:18.290
IF I'M SOMEWHERE, I'LL JUST
00:59:18.290 --> 00:59:19.290
MAKE MY WAY.
00:59:19.290 --> 00:59:21.180
AND AT SOME POINT, I'LL SENSE A
00:59:21.180 --> 00:59:22.280
GOOD CHANCE TO GRAB A COKE WITH
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.230
THE SAME GUY AND WE START
00:59:24.230 --> 00:59:26.050
TALKIN' OVER IT, YOU KNOW, THE
00:59:26.050 --> 00:59:27.010
PUNCH TABLE.
00:59:27.010 --> 00:59:28.160
AND, AS I'M LISTENING TO HIM,
00:59:28.160 --> 00:59:30.250
THIS ENGAGEMENT...
00:59:30.250 --> 00:59:32.010
[MAKES SOUND EFFECT]
00:59:32.010 --> 00:59:32.240
...HOLY SPIRIT HOOKS UP.
00:59:32.240 --> 00:59:33.150
'CAUSE THE SECOND YOU SENSE
00:59:33.150 --> 00:59:35.030
SOMETHING, HOLY SPIRIT'S DOING
00:59:35.030 --> 00:59:36.030
SOMETHING.
00:59:36.030 --> 00:59:37.190
THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MEANS.
00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:38.100
AND IF HE'S DOIN' SOMETHING,
00:59:38.100 --> 00:59:39.150
YOU GET TO BE A PART OF IT!
00:59:39.150 --> 00:59:40.290
- LAURIE: MMH...
00:59:40.290 --> 00:59:42.000
- LEON: AND SO, I'LL JUST
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:42.230
START TALKIN'.
00:59:42.230 --> 00:59:43.160
WE MIGHT BE LAUGHING AND
00:59:43.160 --> 00:59:44.090
TALKIN' ABOUT HOCKEY AND
00:59:44.090 --> 00:59:45.050
FOOTBALL.
00:59:45.050 --> 00:59:46.180
AND AT SOME POINT, AS I LISTEN
00:59:46.180 --> 00:59:47.260
TO HIM AND JUST ENJOY HIM, I'LL
00:59:47.260 --> 00:59:49.060
SENSE WHERE TO GO.
00:59:49.060 --> 00:59:51.220
AND I'LL JUST START TALKING IN
00:59:51.220 --> 00:59:53.040
THAT AREA.
00:59:53.040 --> 00:59:53.260
OR I'LL TAKE HIM OUT.
00:59:53.260 --> 00:59:54.160
SO, WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT TO
00:59:54.160 --> 00:59:55.260
HEAR HOLY SPIRIT, TO SENSE HOLY
00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:58.250
SPIRIT STARTS RIGHT THERE,
00:59:58.250 --> 01:00:00.230
PEOPLE WILL TELL ME ALL THE
01:00:00.230 --> 01:00:01.130
TIME: OH, MAN, THAT ALWAYS
01:00:01.130 --> 01:00:02.020
HAPPENS TO ME!
01:00:02.020 --> 01:00:03.120
I'LL WALK INTO A ROOM AND
01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:04.210
SOMEONE ALWAYS STANDS OUT TO
01:00:04.210 --> 01:00:05.140
ME.
01:00:05.140 --> 01:00:06.040
OKAY, MAYBE JUST START TRYING
01:00:06.040 --> 01:00:07.160
TO TALK WITH THEM, SEE WHERE
01:00:07.160 --> 01:00:08.200
GOD TAKES YOU.
01:00:08.200 --> 01:00:09.200
- LAURIE: MMH...MMH...
01:00:09.200 --> 01:00:10.180
- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
01:00:10.180 --> 01:00:11.110
- LAURIE: BEAUTIFUL.
01:00:11.110 --> 01:00:11.280
- MATT: WE'RE SITTING WITH
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:12.200
LEON FONTAINE.
01:00:12.200 --> 01:00:13.190
AND THE REASON HE SAID THAT IN
01:00:13.190 --> 01:00:15.280
THE ANALOGY A MOMENT AGO ABOUT
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.110
BEING AT A PARTY THAT HE WOULD
01:00:17.110 --> 01:00:18.220
TALK ABOUT HOCKEY IS BECAUSE
01:00:18.220 --> 01:00:19.240
HE'S FROM CANADA.
01:00:19.240 --> 01:00:21.220
[LAUGHTER]
01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:22.130
OKAY?
01:00:22.130 --> 01:00:23.200
- LAURIE: THEY PLAY HOCKEY
01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:24.160
OVER HERE.
01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:25.110
- MATT: AND, HOCKEY'S KIND OF
01:00:25.110 --> 01:00:26.030
A BIG DEAL UP THERE.
01:00:26.030 --> 01:00:27.050
SO, LEON FONTAINE AND THE
01:00:27.050 --> 01:00:28.090
MIRACLE CHANNEL ARE HOW
01:00:28.090 --> 01:00:31.070
CHRISTIAN TELEVISION REACHES
01:00:31.070 --> 01:00:33.170
INTO 7 MILLION HOMES IN CANADA.
01:00:33.170 --> 01:00:34.190
LEON AND THE MIRACLE CHANNEL
01:00:34.190 --> 01:00:35.100
AND THE MIRACLE CHANNEL FAMILY
01:00:37.130 --> 01:00:40.130
ARE ONE OF THE TRINITY FAMILY
01:00:40.130 --> 01:00:42.030
OF NETWORKS.
01:00:42.030 --> 01:00:43.290
LEON FONTAINE PASTORS SPRINGS
01:00:43.290 --> 01:00:45.140
CHURCH.
01:00:45.140 --> 01:00:46.120
- LAURIE: A BEAUTIFUL CHURCH.
01:00:46.120 --> 01:00:47.110
- MATT: LAURIE AND I HAVE BEEN
01:00:47.110 --> 01:00:48.130
TO ONE OF THE CAMPUSES THERE IN
01:00:48.130 --> 01:00:49.160
CALGARY.
01:00:49.160 --> 01:00:51.100
AND, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO
01:00:51.100 --> 01:00:52.150
CALGARY AND THEN INTO BANFF,
01:00:52.150 --> 01:00:54.050
DRIVEN FROM CALGARY TO BANFF,
01:00:54.050 --> 01:00:56.070
DO THAT SOMETIME.
01:00:56.070 --> 01:00:57.090
- LAURIE: IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
01:00:57.090 --> 01:00:58.210
- MATT: IT'S-- IT'S STUNNING.
01:00:58.210 --> 01:00:59.120
ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE MOST
01:00:59.120 --> 01:01:00.050
LEON'S PROGRAM CALLED
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.160
"SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY" AIRS
01:01:04.160 --> 01:01:06.100
ON TBN'S-- ON TBN'S NETWORK,
01:01:07.020 --> 01:01:10.020
MAIN NETWORK, FRIDAY AT 9:30,
01:01:10.020 --> 01:01:11.090
PACIFIC TIME.
01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:13.000
IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT, WE'RE
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:14.160
GONNA GO TO ONE FINAL CLIP.
01:01:14.160 --> 01:01:16.080
WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE A
01:01:16.080 --> 01:01:17.010
MINISTRY TIME.
01:01:17.010 --> 01:01:18.280
THIS IS LEON FONTAINE IN
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:19.190
- LEON: THE ONLY POWER SATAN
01:01:24.020 --> 01:01:25.070
HAS OVER A HUMAN BEING IS IN
01:01:25.070 --> 01:01:26.230
THEIR SIN.
01:01:26.230 --> 01:01:29.010
SO, WHEN YOU'RE FORGIVEN AND
01:01:29.010 --> 01:01:30.000
WASHED CLEAN, AND YOU KNOW IT,
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:30.260
HE HAS NO POWER.
01:01:31.270 --> 01:01:34.270
BUT, LEON, EVEN WHEN YOU MAKE A
01:01:34.270 --> 01:01:35.190
MISTAKE AND FALL?
01:01:35.190 --> 01:01:38.020
NO.
01:01:38.020 --> 01:01:39.220
THE CURSE THAT GOES WITH YOUR
01:01:39.220 --> 01:01:40.130
FUTURE MISTAKES...HAS BEEN PAID
01:01:40.130 --> 01:01:42.230
FOR.
01:01:44.010 --> 01:01:47.010
ISAIAH 53 SAYS: WHO CAN BELIEVE
01:01:47.010 --> 01:01:49.010
THIS?
01:01:49.010 --> 01:01:51.160
WELL, LEON, PEOPLE ARE JUST
01:01:51.160 --> 01:01:52.060
GONNA GO PRACTICE SIN.
01:01:52.060 --> 01:01:54.100
NO, BECAUSE A JUDGE WON'T
01:01:54.100 --> 01:01:54.290
FORGIVE YOU, THE POLICE WON'T
01:01:54.290 --> 01:01:55.200
FORGIVE YOU, YOUR SPOUSE WON'T
01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:56.120
FORGIVE YOU, YOUR BROTHER WON'T
01:01:56.120 --> 01:01:57.040
FORGIVE YOU, YOUR PARENTS WON'T
01:01:57.040 --> 01:01:57.260
FORGIVE YOU.
01:01:57.260 --> 01:01:58.270
SIN DESTROYS YOUR LIFE.
01:01:58.270 --> 01:01:59.250
STILL DOES.
01:01:59.250 --> 01:02:02.160
BUT BETWEEN YOU AND GOD, HE'S
01:02:02.160 --> 01:02:03.260
NOT SENDING A CURSE ONTO YOUR
01:02:03.260 --> 01:02:06.000
LIFE BECAUSE JESUS TOOK THE
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:06.210
CURSE.
01:02:06.210 --> 01:02:08.280
GOD IS NOT THIS BIG DESPOT IN
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:10.210
THE SKY WITH A BIG OL' WHIP,
01:02:10.210 --> 01:02:12.120
GOIN': OH, ROW 14, SEVEN CHAIRS
01:02:12.120 --> 01:02:13.200
OVER!
01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:15.260
[MIMICS SOUND OF WHIP IN AIR]
01:02:15.260 --> 01:02:16.170
SNAP!
01:02:16.170 --> 01:02:17.190
GONNA GET YOU.
01:02:17.190 --> 01:02:18.070
OR...
01:02:18.070 --> 01:02:18.230
[MAKES SOUND OF GUN COCKING]
01:02:18.230 --> 01:02:19.270
[LAUGHTER]
01:02:19.270 --> 01:02:21.080
JUST SIN...JUST MOVE ONE WRONG
01:02:21.080 --> 01:02:22.160
WAY.
01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:23.180
I JUST CAN'T WAIT.
01:02:23.180 --> 01:02:24.150
I'M GON' GET YOU, SUCKA.
01:02:24.150 --> 01:02:26.040
THAT'S NOT OUR GOD.
01:02:26.040 --> 01:02:26.240
HE WANTS A RELATIONSHIP WITH
01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:28.140
- MATT: WE ARE SITTING TODAY
01:02:31.250 --> 01:02:32.190
WITH LEON FONTAINE.
01:02:32.230 --> 01:02:35.230
LEON, WE GOT ABOUT 20 MINUTES
01:02:35.230 --> 01:02:38.080
LEFT IN THE BROADCAST.
01:02:38.080 --> 01:02:39.160
AND SO, LET'S START KIND OF
01:02:41.140 --> 01:02:44.140
APPLYING A SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY
01:02:44.210 --> 01:02:47.210
ATTITUDE AND MINDSET AND DO
01:02:47.210 --> 01:02:49.210
WITH THE END OF THE PROGRAM
01:02:50.200 --> 01:02:53.200
WHATEVER YOU SEE FIT, MINISTRY
01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:55.230
TO PEOPLE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA
01:02:55.230 --> 01:02:57.190
DO.
01:02:57.190 --> 01:02:58.200
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
01:03:01.030 --> 01:03:01.240
SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY.
01:03:01.240 --> 01:03:03.030
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
01:03:03.030 --> 01:03:04.230
I HOPE WILL HELP PEOPLE IS THAT
01:03:04.230 --> 01:03:05.150
THIS IS NOT A DOCTRINE THAT
01:03:05.150 --> 01:03:06.230
I'VE SAT AND MEDITATED THROUGH
01:03:06.230 --> 01:03:07.150
THE WORD ONLY.
01:03:07.150 --> 01:03:08.280
BUT, THOSE SEVEN YEARS AS A
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.130
PARAMEDIC, I BEGAN TO PRACTICE
01:03:10.130 --> 01:03:11.040
I BEGAN TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER I
01:03:14.260 --> 01:03:16.070
FEEL LIKE THE ANOINTING IS
01:03:16.070 --> 01:03:16.270
FALLING ON ME OR NOT, I WOULD
01:03:16.270 --> 01:03:17.270
BEGIN TO JUST DO WHAT GOD'S
01:03:17.270 --> 01:03:18.170
WORD SAYS AND LEARN TO SENSE
01:03:18.170 --> 01:03:19.080
HOLY SPIRIT.
01:03:19.090 --> 01:03:22.090
AND SO, MIRACLE AFTER MIRACLE
01:03:22.090 --> 01:03:24.220
BEGAN TO HAPPEN IN MY LIFE.
01:03:24.220 --> 01:03:26.250
AND, AS THEY BEGAN TO HAPPEN, I
01:03:26.250 --> 01:03:28.190
BEGAN TO ALMOST PUT OFF ALL OF
01:03:28.190 --> 01:03:31.020
THESE TEACHINGS THAT MADE
01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:33.210
FLOWING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SO
01:03:33.210 --> 01:03:34.260
COMPLICATED AND SO HARD AND SO
01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:36.000
IFFY AND MAYBE.
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.070
INSTEAD, I REALIZED HE WAS
01:03:38.070 --> 01:03:39.210
ALWAYS THERE.
01:03:39.210 --> 01:03:41.030
AND HE WAS ALWAYS READY TO FLOW
01:03:41.030 --> 01:03:42.230
THROUGH ME.
01:03:42.230 --> 01:03:45.100
AND, SO, I BEGAN TO SHARE WITH
01:03:45.100 --> 01:03:47.050
PEOPLE THE MIRACLES THAT TOOK
01:03:47.050 --> 01:03:48.280
PLACE.
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.150
I REMEMBER ONE TIME A LADY
01:03:50.150 --> 01:03:51.130
COMING TO OUR CHURCH.
01:03:51.130 --> 01:03:52.000
SHE CAME TO OUR CHURCH AND
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:52.200
ASKED IF I'D PRAY FOR HER DAD,
01:03:52.200 --> 01:03:53.150
WHO WAS DYING.
01:03:53.150 --> 01:03:54.240
AND, I SAID, "OF COURSE, I
01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:55.190
WILL."
01:03:55.190 --> 01:03:56.270
"WELL," SHE GOES, "THE PROBLEM
01:03:56.270 --> 01:03:58.170
IS MY FAMILY DOESN'T WANT YOU
01:03:58.170 --> 01:03:59.280
TO PRAY FOR HIM."
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:00.260
AND I WENT: "WHAT?
01:04:00.260 --> 01:04:01.140
THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE."
01:04:01.140 --> 01:04:02.050
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:04:02.050 --> 01:04:02.290
SHE GOES: "WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE
01:04:02.290 --> 01:04:03.210
BEEN PRETTY WEIRD.
01:04:03.210 --> 01:04:05.050
WHEN I GOT SAVED, I WAS TOO
01:04:05.050 --> 01:04:05.250
EXCITED AND I WAS PRETTY WEIRD
01:04:05.250 --> 01:04:07.080
WITH THEM AND PREACHED AT THEM
01:04:07.080 --> 01:04:08.040
AND JUDGED THEM AND...
01:04:08.040 --> 01:04:10.050
AND SO, THEY WON'T COME TO
01:04:10.050 --> 01:04:10.240
CHURCH."
01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:11.210
AND I SAID, "WELL, I TELL YOU
01:04:11.210 --> 01:04:12.120
WHAT -- I'LL GO WITH YOU TO THE
01:04:12.120 --> 01:04:13.150
HOSPITAL AND THEN WE'LL JUST
01:04:13.150 --> 01:04:15.010
SEE WHAT THEY DO."
01:04:15.010 --> 01:04:15.200
AND SO, WE WENT TO WHERE HER
01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:17.000
DAD WAS.
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:17.280
AND, APPARENTLY, SHE TOLD ME --
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.030
AND I FOUND THIS OUT TO BE TRUE
01:04:19.030 --> 01:04:20.120
-- THAT HE HADN'T BEEN AWAKE
01:04:20.120 --> 01:04:21.190
NOW FOR TWO WEEKS, HE'S IN A
01:04:21.190 --> 01:04:22.180
DEATH COMA, THAT HE HADN'T
01:04:22.180 --> 01:04:24.030
EATEN, HADN'T DRANK.
01:04:24.030 --> 01:04:25.140
THEY WERE JUST WAITING FOR HIM
01:04:25.140 --> 01:04:26.140
TO DIE.
01:04:26.140 --> 01:04:27.050
CALLED ALL THE FAMILY IN.
01:04:27.050 --> 01:04:28.250
AND SO, AS I WALKED UP TO HIS
01:04:28.250 --> 01:04:29.270
ROOM, THE ELDEST BROTHER
01:04:29.270 --> 01:04:31.160
STEPPED OUT AND HE SAW ME AND
01:04:31.170 --> 01:04:34.170
RIGHT AWAY I COULD SENSE THE
01:04:34.170 --> 01:04:35.270
COLDNESS ON HIM AND HIS TWO
01:04:35.270 --> 01:04:36.170
SISTERS.
01:04:36.170 --> 01:04:37.080
- MATT: WOW.
01:04:37.080 --> 01:04:37.270
- LEON: JUST...
01:04:37.270 --> 01:04:38.140
[INHALES DEEPLY]
01:04:38.140 --> 01:04:39.020
...THAT I WAS THERE.
01:04:39.020 --> 01:04:39.290
I SAID: "I'M SO SORRY FOR BEING
01:04:39.290 --> 01:04:40.210
HERE.
01:04:40.210 --> 01:04:41.070
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT ME HERE,
01:04:41.070 --> 01:04:42.090
SO I'M GONNA LEAVE.
01:04:42.090 --> 01:04:43.250
BUT I JUST HAVE ONE REQUEST."
01:04:43.250 --> 01:04:44.240
I SAID, "YOUR SISTER,
01:04:44.240 --> 01:04:46.070
APPARENTLY, HAS REPRESENTED US,
01:04:46.150 --> 01:04:49.150
THE CHURCH AND GOD, PRETTY
01:04:49.150 --> 01:04:50.230
WEIRDLY."
01:04:50.230 --> 01:04:51.140
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:04:51.140 --> 01:04:51.280
AND HE GOES, "YEAH..."
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:52.210
[LAURIE GIGGLING]
01:04:52.210 --> 01:04:53.100
AND I SAID: "BUT THIS IS HER
01:04:53.100 --> 01:04:54.000
DAD, TOO.
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.010
WOULD YOU MIND IF I JUST PRAYED
01:04:55.010 --> 01:04:55.230
A 30-SECOND PRAYER?
01:04:55.230 --> 01:04:57.060
IT'S A PRAYER OF BLESSING.
01:04:57.060 --> 01:04:58.140
IT'S NOT THE LAST RITES.
01:04:58.140 --> 01:04:59.230
AND THEN I'LL JUST LEAVE.
01:04:59.230 --> 01:05:01.030
I DON'T MEAN TO ADD ANY MORE
01:05:01.030 --> 01:05:03.170
PAIN TO YOUR FAMILY AND I'M SO
01:05:03.170 --> 01:05:04.130
SORRY.
01:05:04.130 --> 01:05:05.070
AND I WILL LEAVE IF YOU DON'T
01:05:05.070 --> 01:05:05.280
WANT-- NOT A PROBLEM, YOU
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.130
GUYS."
01:05:07.130 --> 01:05:08.110
I'M THAT GRACIOUS WITH HIM.
01:05:08.110 --> 01:05:09.010
I'M HONORING HIM.
01:05:09.010 --> 01:05:09.160
I'M NOT WALKING LIKE GOD'S MAN
01:05:09.160 --> 01:05:11.120
OF POWER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE
01:05:11.120 --> 01:05:12.100
HOUR.
01:05:12.100 --> 01:05:13.070
- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
01:05:13.070 --> 01:05:14.100
- LEON: AND HE JUST-- THE
01:05:14.100 --> 01:05:15.110
WHOLE-- ALL THREE OF THEM JUST
01:05:15.110 --> 01:05:16.030
KIND OF SETTLED DOWN, SAID:
01:05:16.030 --> 01:05:16.290
"PASTOR, OF COURSE, YOU CAN.
01:05:16.290 --> 01:05:17.290
I'M SORRY.
01:05:17.290 --> 01:05:18.280
COME ON IN."
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:19.290
SO, I WALKED UP TO THE MAN
01:05:19.290 --> 01:05:21.060
LAYING ON THE BED.
01:05:21.060 --> 01:05:23.040
HE WAS GRAY, HIS BREATHING WAS
01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:23.250
NOT EVEN REGULAR.
01:05:23.290 --> 01:05:26.290
YOU KNOW, GREY LIPS, WHITE
01:05:26.290 --> 01:05:27.210
PASTY FACE.
01:05:27.210 --> 01:05:28.270
HE'S GONNA DIE ANY TIME, I CAN
01:05:28.270 --> 01:05:29.230
TELL.
01:05:29.230 --> 01:05:31.220
AND, SO, I PUT MY HAND JUST ON
01:05:31.220 --> 01:05:33.030
HIS LEG, AROUND WHERE HIS KNEE
01:05:33.030 --> 01:05:34.190
WAS.
01:05:34.190 --> 01:05:35.150
AND THIS IS HOW I PRAYED IT.
01:05:35.150 --> 01:05:36.050
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT
01:05:36.050 --> 01:05:36.260
WORDS.
01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:37.100
BUT I JUST SAID: "GOD, THIS
01:05:37.100 --> 01:05:38.090
FAMILY IS HURTING RIGHT NOW.
01:05:38.090 --> 01:05:39.220
PLEASE TOUCH THEM.
01:05:39.220 --> 01:05:40.280
PLEASE BRING THEM TOGETHER
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:42.100
CLOSER.
01:05:42.100 --> 01:05:43.050
HEAL THEM.
01:05:43.050 --> 01:05:44.080
I PRAY THAT YOU'D MAKE THIS
01:05:44.080 --> 01:05:44.280
FAMILY--"
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.080
I PRAYED FOR THE FAMILY.
01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:50.120
"AND THEN, FOR THIS MAN,
01:05:50.120 --> 01:05:51.130
FATHER, LAYING HERE RIGHT
01:05:51.130 --> 01:05:52.120
NOW, I ASK THAT YOU BLESS HIM,
01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:53.040
TOUCH HIM, IN THE NAME OF
01:05:53.040 --> 01:05:53.230
JESUS."
01:05:53.230 --> 01:05:56.020
THAT'S ALL I SAID.
01:05:56.020 --> 01:05:56.270
TOOK MY HAND OFF OF HIM, TURNED
01:05:56.270 --> 01:05:57.230
AROUND.
01:05:57.230 --> 01:05:59.050
AS I WALKED TOWARDS HIM, I
01:05:59.050 --> 01:06:00.160
COULD SEE TEARS IN ONE OF THEIR
01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:01.080
EYES.
01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:01.280
IT WAS LIKE GOD-- THE PRESENCE
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.040
OF GOD JUST TOUCHED THEM.
01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:05.130
AND, AS I'M WALKING TOWARDS
01:06:05.130 --> 01:06:06.180
'EM, TO SEE IF I CAN GET
01:06:06.180 --> 01:06:07.070
A FEW COMMENTS IN BEFORE I
01:06:07.070 --> 01:06:08.250
LEAVE, THE MAN BEHIND ME, WHO
01:06:08.250 --> 01:06:10.050
HASN'T BEEN AWAKE IN TWO WEEKS,
01:06:10.050 --> 01:06:12.010
SITS UP IN BED, POINTS AT ME IN
01:06:12.050 --> 01:06:15.050
FRONT OF HIS ENTIRE FAMILY.
01:06:15.050 --> 01:06:17.250
AND HE DIDN'T SAY IT REALLY
01:06:17.250 --> 01:06:18.150
GOOD.
01:06:18.150 --> 01:06:19.080
IT WAS KIND IF LIKE, "THIS IS
01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:19.290
GOD'S MAN."
01:06:19.290 --> 01:06:20.220
OR: "THIS IS A MAN FROM GOD,"
01:06:20.220 --> 01:06:21.220
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
01:06:21.220 --> 01:06:24.150
"LISTEN TO HIM."
01:06:24.150 --> 01:06:25.100
AND EVERYBODY FREAKED OUT!
01:06:25.100 --> 01:06:26.230
THEY'RE RUNNING TO THE BED,
01:06:26.230 --> 01:06:27.150
HUGGIN' HIM, AND TALKIN' TO
01:06:27.150 --> 01:06:28.100
HIM.
01:06:28.100 --> 01:06:29.060
AND THEN, THEY WANTED, "WHAT
01:06:29.060 --> 01:06:31.050
HAPPENED?" AND THEY WANTED TO
01:06:31.050 --> 01:06:32.220
TALK TO ME.
01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:33.080
AND FOR THE NEXT 45 MINUTES --
01:06:33.080 --> 01:06:34.110
I FORGOT HOW MUCH MORE TIME --
01:06:34.110 --> 01:06:35.040
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE
01:06:35.040 --> 01:06:36.000
GOODNESS OF GOD.
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:36.190
- LAURIE: MM...
01:06:36.190 --> 01:06:37.160
- LEON: AND HOW GOD LOVES
01:06:37.160 --> 01:06:38.060
THEM.
01:06:38.060 --> 01:06:39.030
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF YOU DON'T
01:06:39.270 --> 01:06:42.270
HAVE TO WALK IN THERE AND--
01:06:42.270 --> 01:06:44.010
I DIDN'T SPEAK OUT FIVE VERSES.
01:06:44.010 --> 01:06:45.200
I DIDN'T PROPHESY TO THE WIND
01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:46.110
AND DECLARE: THIS MAN SHALL
01:06:46.110 --> 01:06:47.010
LIVE AND NOT DIE -- STEP ASIDE!
01:06:47.010 --> 01:06:48.080
I'M COMING--
01:06:48.190 --> 01:06:51.190
I MEAN, I WALKED IN GRACIOUS,
01:06:51.190 --> 01:06:52.190
HONORING.
01:06:52.190 --> 01:06:53.010
I DIDN'T EVEN COMMAND HIM TO
01:06:53.010 --> 01:06:53.210
RISE.
01:06:53.210 --> 01:06:54.100
I'M NOT SAYING I WOULDN'T.
01:06:54.100 --> 01:06:56.200
I'M JUST SAYING I DIDN'T.
01:06:56.200 --> 01:06:57.130
SAID, "LORD BLESS HIM, IN THE
01:06:57.130 --> 01:06:58.240
NAME OF JESUS."
01:06:58.240 --> 01:06:59.220
AND THE PRESENCE OF GOD TOUCHED
01:06:59.220 --> 01:07:01.080
THAT MAN, HEALED HIM.
01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:02.110
I CAN SHARE MIRACLE AFTER
01:07:02.110 --> 01:07:04.140
MIRACLE WHERE I WASN'T
01:07:04.140 --> 01:07:05.080
HOLLYWOOD.
01:07:06.250 --> 01:07:09.250
I DIDN'T AGGRANDIZE IT.
01:07:09.250 --> 01:07:10.130
I WAS MORE SENSITIVE TO THEM,
01:07:10.130 --> 01:07:11.070
MORE CARING ABOUT THE FAMILY.
01:07:11.070 --> 01:07:12.030
AND I FOUND THAT WHEN I
01:07:12.030 --> 01:07:13.040
FUNCTION LIKE THAT THAT HOLY
01:07:13.040 --> 01:07:14.270
SPIRIT'S POWER DIDN'T GO DOWN
01:07:14.270 --> 01:07:17.150
OR DIMINISH BUT IT ACTUALLY
01:07:17.150 --> 01:07:18.280
ROSE AS HE SHOWED ME HOW TO
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:20.250
PRAY AND TREAT PEOPLE IN A WAY
01:07:20.250 --> 01:07:22.160
THAT OPENED THEIR HEARTS AND
01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:24.290
THEN MIRACLES WOULD HAPPEN.
01:07:24.290 --> 01:07:26.290
THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING US
01:07:26.290 --> 01:07:28.000
TODAY.
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:29.190
AND, AS YOU HAVE LOOKED AT
01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.020
HEALING OR LISTENED TO MANY
01:07:31.020 --> 01:07:33.220
GREAT LEADERS TEACH ON IT THAT
01:07:34.140 --> 01:07:37.140
YOU'VE ALMOST BUILT UP ALL
01:07:37.140 --> 01:07:38.040
THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND
01:07:38.040 --> 01:07:40.270
GUIDELINES AND...
01:07:40.270 --> 01:07:43.020
AND IT JUST KINDA-- IT MAKES
01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:43.270
YOU NOT EVEN BELIEVE ANYMORE.
01:07:44.120 --> 01:07:47.120
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ALL OF
01:07:47.120 --> 01:07:50.020
THE PROMISES ARE IN HIM --
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.000
JESUS -- YES AND AMEN; THAT
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.040
WHEN JESUS DIED, IN GALATIANS
01:07:56.050 --> 01:07:59.050
3:13, IT SAYS THERE HE SAYS--
01:07:59.050 --> 01:08:00.140
IT SAYS THAT HE BECAME A CURSE
01:08:00.140 --> 01:08:01.090
FOR US SO THE BLESSINGS OF
01:08:01.090 --> 01:08:03.080
ABRAHAM COULD COME UPON US.
01:08:03.080 --> 01:08:05.090
GOD WANTS TO TOUCH YOU AND HEAL
01:08:05.090 --> 01:08:06.290
YOU.
01:08:06.290 --> 01:08:08.160
AND I WANNA JUST SPEAK TO
01:08:08.160 --> 01:08:09.050
MATURE CHRISTIANS FOR A MINUTE.
01:08:09.050 --> 01:08:11.000
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS THIS
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:12.070
LACK OF ABILITY TO GET MATURE
01:08:12.070 --> 01:08:13.290
CHRISTIANS HEALED.
01:08:13.290 --> 01:08:15.200
IT'S EASIER ON THE STREETS AND
01:08:15.200 --> 01:08:17.100
IN THE PLAINS OF AFRICA--
01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:20.010
- MATT: WOW.
01:08:20.010 --> 01:08:21.040
- LEON: --WITH THE LOST TO GET
01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:22.160
A MIRACLE THAN WITH GOD'S OWN
01:08:22.160 --> 01:08:24.000
PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:24.260
HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH.
01:08:24.260 --> 01:08:27.000
WE OUGHT TO BE MOVING IN THE
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.070
MIRACULOUS.
01:08:29.070 --> 01:08:30.090
YOU KNOW, EVEN JOHN THE BAPTIST
01:08:30.090 --> 01:08:32.230
SENT A DISCIPLE.
01:08:32.230 --> 01:08:33.190
HE WAS ABOUT TO BE BEHEADED.
01:08:33.190 --> 01:08:35.000
HE WAS ABOUT TO DIE.
01:08:35.170 --> 01:08:38.170
JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS AN
01:08:38.170 --> 01:08:39.050
AMAZING, STUNNING MAN -- ONE OF
01:08:39.050 --> 01:08:39.270
THE GREATEST MEN THAT EVER
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:43.020
WALKED THE PLANET JESUS SAID.
01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:43.230
BUT IN A MOMENT OF GIVING HIS
01:08:43.230 --> 01:08:44.140
LIFE, HE SAYS TO HIS DISCIPLES:
01:08:44.140 --> 01:08:46.030
GO FIND OUT IF IT'S REALLY HIM.
01:08:46.030 --> 01:08:48.270
THE DISCIPLE COMES TO JESUS AND
01:08:48.270 --> 01:08:50.200
SAYS: YOU KNOW, JOHN WANTS TO
01:08:50.200 --> 01:08:53.130
KNOW ARE YOU REALLY THE ONE?
01:08:53.130 --> 01:08:55.270
AND YOU KNOW WHAT JESUS REFERS
01:08:55.270 --> 01:08:57.180
TO TO HAVE HIM SEND BACK TO
01:08:57.180 --> 01:08:59.090
JOHN AND SAY IS THE MIRACLES.
01:08:59.090 --> 01:09:01.030
AND AS JESUS WAS DOING
01:09:01.030 --> 01:09:02.090
MIRACLES, THIS DISCIPLE OF
01:09:02.090 --> 01:09:03.200
JOHN'S SAW IT.
01:09:03.260 --> 01:09:06.260
AND, HE SAID: GO BACK AND TELL
01:09:06.260 --> 01:09:07.190
JOHN THESE MIRACLES THAT YOU
01:09:08.030 --> 01:09:11.030
SAW.
01:09:11.030 --> 01:09:11.220
I'M SORRY BUT NOWHERE IN THE
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:14.030
BIBLE HAVE MIRACLES ENDED.
01:09:14.030 --> 01:09:16.040
I KNOW WE LIVE IN A REAL WORLD
01:09:16.040 --> 01:09:17.150
WHERE THERE'S A KINGDOM OF
01:09:17.150 --> 01:09:18.200
DARKNESS AND THE KINGDOM OF
01:09:18.200 --> 01:09:19.230
LIGHT AND WE'RE ALL LIVING IN
01:09:19.230 --> 01:09:20.140
THE SAME PLANET.
01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:21.160
[CLAPS HANDS]
01:09:21.160 --> 01:09:22.160
AND SO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STUFF
01:09:22.160 --> 01:09:23.180
AND WE'RE GONNA LOSE BATTLES.
01:09:23.180 --> 01:09:24.190
BUT WE DON'T REALLY LOSE 'CAUSE
01:09:24.190 --> 01:09:25.110
HEAVEN'S REAL.
01:09:25.110 --> 01:09:26.100
BUT DON'T EVER BACK AWAY FROM
01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:27.250
MIRACLES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
01:09:27.250 --> 01:09:29.290
EXPLAIN WHY YOU'VE HAD LOSSES.
01:09:32.100 --> 01:09:35.100
I'VE HAD LOVED ONES IN
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:35.280
MY FAMILY DIE EARLY AND GO TO
01:09:35.280 --> 01:09:36.190
HEAVEN.
01:09:36.190 --> 01:09:37.020
THERE'S THINGS I'VE PRAYED
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:38.070
ABOUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
01:09:38.070 --> 01:09:38.260
BUT IT HASN'T MADE ME BEGIN TO
01:09:38.260 --> 01:09:40.000
QUESTION GOD.
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.250
I'LL NEVER TRADE WHAT I KNOW
01:09:42.250 --> 01:09:44.080
FOR WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
01:09:44.080 --> 01:09:46.230
- MATT: WOW...
01:09:46.230 --> 01:09:48.140
- LEON: WHAT I DON'T KNOW
01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:49.120
ABOUT WHY THIS PERSON DIED
01:09:49.120 --> 01:09:51.050
YOUNGER AND WHY IT DIDN'T
01:09:51.050 --> 01:09:52.060
CHANGE THIS.
01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:53.080
I'LL ASK GOD WHEN I GET TO
01:09:53.080 --> 01:09:54.190
HEAVEN.
01:09:54.190 --> 01:09:55.070
BUT I'M NOT TRADING WHAT I KNOW
01:09:55.070 --> 01:09:56.160
FOR WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
01:10:00.280 --> 01:10:03.280
AND SO, AS YOU'RE
01:10:03.280 --> 01:10:04.290
LISTENING TO THIS, I BELIEVE
01:10:04.290 --> 01:10:05.200
THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE THIS
01:10:05.200 --> 01:10:06.120
MASSIVE, MASSIVE RESURGENCE OF
01:10:06.120 --> 01:10:07.040
THE MIRACULOUS IN PEOPLE'S
01:10:07.040 --> 01:10:07.250
LIVES.
01:10:07.250 --> 01:10:09.060
- MATT: THANK YOU, LORD.
01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:10.130
- LEON: BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE
01:10:10.130 --> 01:10:11.270
AMONGST JUST US PASTORS, AND
01:10:11.270 --> 01:10:12.220
PROPHETS, AND LEADERS, AND...
01:10:12.220 --> 01:10:14.260
IT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE AS PEOPLE
01:10:14.260 --> 01:10:16.170
JUST BEGIN TO LISTEN TO
01:10:16.170 --> 01:10:17.050
TEACHING LIKE THIS.
01:10:17.050 --> 01:10:19.180
AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO LISTEN
01:10:19.180 --> 01:10:20.250
TO IT.
01:10:20.250 --> 01:10:22.100
BECAUSE THE SEED GETS PLANTED
01:10:22.100 --> 01:10:23.250
OF THIS NEW TEACHING.
01:10:23.250 --> 01:10:25.020
IT'S NOT NEW.
01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:25.250
IT'S THE BIBLE!
01:10:25.250 --> 01:10:27.000
BUT IT'LL BEGIN TO TAKE ROOT.
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:27.220
AND THEN YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF
01:10:27.220 --> 01:10:29.010
SENSING THINGS.
01:10:29.010 --> 01:10:30.090
AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN IT
01:10:30.090 --> 01:10:31.110
COMES TO PRAYER...
01:10:31.110 --> 01:10:32.130
YOU KNOW, I WAS READING A
01:10:32.130 --> 01:10:33.180
SCRIPTURE IN COLOSSIANS.
01:10:33.180 --> 01:10:35.080
AND, IN EPHESIANS IT SAYS, AS
01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:36.250
WELL, "BE STRONG IN THE LORD
01:10:36.250 --> 01:10:39.040
AND IN THE POWER OF HIS MIGHT."
01:10:39.040 --> 01:10:40.120
- MATT: GOOD.
01:10:40.120 --> 01:10:42.000
- LEON: IT SAYS: PUT ON THE
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:42.210
ARMOR OF GOD THAT WE COULD
01:10:42.210 --> 01:10:44.200
STAND AGAINST THE STRATEGIES
01:10:44.200 --> 01:10:45.180
OF--
01:10:45.180 --> 01:10:46.120
IT DOESN'T SAY PRAY AGAINST THE
01:10:46.120 --> 01:10:47.160
DEVIL.
01:10:48.030 --> 01:10:51.030
IT ACTUALLY SAYS PUT ON THE
01:10:51.030 --> 01:10:51.230
ARMOR.
01:10:51.230 --> 01:10:52.240
NOW, EACH ARMOR IS JUST WHAT
01:10:52.240 --> 01:10:53.140
YOU BELIEVE.
01:10:53.140 --> 01:10:55.280
ANYWHERE WHERE YOU KNOW
01:10:55.280 --> 01:10:57.130
WHAT THE WILL OF GOD IS,
01:10:57.130 --> 01:10:59.280
SATAN HAS NOW LOST HIS ABILITY
01:10:59.280 --> 01:11:00.250
TO HURT YOU IN THAT AREA.
01:11:00.250 --> 01:11:02.050
THEREFORE, THE WORD IS
01:11:02.050 --> 01:11:02.280
BEAUTIFUL.
01:11:02.280 --> 01:11:04.090
GOD'S WORD IS PRECIOUS.
01:11:04.090 --> 01:11:05.120
FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE
01:11:05.120 --> 01:11:06.160
CROSS TO THE THRONE.
01:11:06.160 --> 01:11:09.060
WHAT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS DIED
01:11:09.060 --> 01:11:10.160
ON THE CROSS, PAID FOR THE
01:11:10.160 --> 01:11:12.010
CURSE, TOOK THE CURSE OF THE
01:11:12.010 --> 01:11:13.280
LAW SO THAT YOU'RE FREE?
01:11:13.280 --> 01:11:14.180
AS YOU BEGIN TO, AGAIN, AS
01:11:14.180 --> 01:11:15.230
NEVER BEFORE, ENJOY GOD'S WORD,
01:11:15.230 --> 01:11:17.080
SOMETHING WILL RISE UP WITHIN
01:11:17.080 --> 01:11:20.020
YOU.
01:11:20.020 --> 01:11:21.100
AND, THE BIBLE SAYS YOU'LL KNOW
01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:23.000
THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:23.290
SET YOU FREE.
01:11:23.290 --> 01:11:24.280
SO, I WANNA PRAY WITH YOU.
01:11:24.280 --> 01:11:26.090
AND THEN, WE'LL FINISH TALKING
01:11:26.090 --> 01:11:27.080
A LITTLE BIT MORE.
01:11:27.080 --> 01:11:28.120
BUT I WANNA PRAY SPECIFICALLY
01:11:28.120 --> 01:11:29.160
FOR YOU.
01:11:29.160 --> 01:11:31.080
AND FOR THE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE
01:11:31.080 --> 01:11:32.050
IN YOUR LIFE.
01:11:32.050 --> 01:11:33.060
AND HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO
01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:34.090
DO.
01:11:34.090 --> 01:11:35.040
I WANT YOU JUST TO KIND OF
01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:35.240
GO...
01:11:35.240 --> 01:11:36.160
[EXHALES]
01:11:36.160 --> 01:11:37.190
JUST CHILL...
01:11:37.190 --> 01:11:38.060
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK IT UP.
01:11:38.060 --> 01:11:39.180
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:40.230
I PRAYED FOR ONE GUY ONE TIME.
01:11:40.230 --> 01:11:41.140
HE WAS GIVEN 24 HOURS TO LIVE.
01:11:41.140 --> 01:11:43.190
AND, SO-- AND HE WAS A
01:11:43.190 --> 01:11:45.100
CHRISTIAN BROTHER AND HE COULD
01:11:45.100 --> 01:11:46.140
HARDLY LIFT HIS HEAD OFF THE
01:11:46.140 --> 01:11:47.120
BED.
01:11:47.120 --> 01:11:48.170
SO, I CAME INTO THE ROOM.
01:11:48.170 --> 01:11:49.070
HIS WIFE WAS THERE, HIS LAWYER
01:11:49.070 --> 01:11:50.040
WAS THERE, A BOARD MEMBER FROM
01:11:50.040 --> 01:11:51.240
OUR CHURCH CAME WITH ME, SO A
01:11:51.240 --> 01:11:53.120
BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
01:11:53.120 --> 01:11:54.190
SO, THE DOCTORS SAID HE
01:11:54.190 --> 01:11:55.250
WOULDN'T MAKE 24 HOURS.
01:11:55.250 --> 01:11:57.130
EVERYTHING WAS SHUTTING DOWN.
01:11:57.130 --> 01:11:58.040
SO, I SAID, "I'M GONNA PRAY FOR
01:11:58.040 --> 01:11:58.260
YOU."
01:11:58.260 --> 01:11:59.080
AND AS I WENT TO PRAY FOR HIM,
01:11:59.080 --> 01:12:00.290
HE STARTED GOING:
01:12:00.290 --> 01:12:01.230
[IN FEVERISH, FERVENT VOICE]
01:12:01.230 --> 01:12:02.180
"YES, JESUS, IN THE NAME--"
01:12:02.180 --> 01:12:03.190
AND HE JUST TRIED TO WORK
01:12:03.190 --> 01:12:04.080
HIMSELF UP.
01:12:04.080 --> 01:12:04.210
- MATT: YEAH.
01:12:04.210 --> 01:12:05.140
- LEON: I SAID, "STOP, STOP,
01:12:05.140 --> 01:12:06.050
STOP."
01:12:06.050 --> 01:12:06.220
HE WENT, "WHAT?"
01:12:06.220 --> 01:12:07.120
I SAID, "YOU CAN'T WORK IT UP."
01:12:07.120 --> 01:12:09.060
- MATT: WOW.
01:12:10.070 --> 01:12:13.070
"IT'S EITHER HERE OR IT'S
01:12:13.070 --> 01:12:13.260
NOT HERE.
01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:14.070
IS GOD'S PRESENCE HERE?"
01:12:14.070 --> 01:12:14.250
HE WENT...
01:12:14.250 --> 01:12:15.060
[IN WHISPER]
01:12:15.060 --> 01:12:15.240
"YEAH."
01:12:15.240 --> 01:12:16.060
HE COULD HARDLY EVEN TALK, HE
01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:16.270
WAS SO WEAK.
01:12:16.270 --> 01:12:17.240
HE GOES, "YEAH."
01:12:17.240 --> 01:12:18.120
"SO, IF GOD'S PRESENCE IS HERE,
01:12:18.120 --> 01:12:19.090
THEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS JUST
01:12:19.090 --> 01:12:20.140
BELIEVE I'M GOING TO RELEASE IT
01:12:20.140 --> 01:12:22.080
INTO YOU.
01:12:22.080 --> 01:12:23.190
IS THAT OKAY?"
01:12:23.190 --> 01:12:25.050
"YES."
01:12:25.050 --> 01:12:25.190
I SAID: "DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
01:12:25.190 --> 01:12:26.190
JUST LAY THERE.
01:12:26.190 --> 01:12:29.050
JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND LET
01:12:29.050 --> 01:12:29.250
JESUS WON ON THE CROSS THIS.
01:12:29.250 --> 01:12:30.160
OKAY?"
01:12:30.160 --> 01:12:32.140
HE GOES...
01:12:32.140 --> 01:12:33.180
[WHISPERED TONE]
01:12:33.180 --> 01:12:34.020
"OKAY."
01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:34.240
SO, I LAID MY HANDS ON HIM AND
01:12:34.240 --> 01:12:36.150
I JUST PRAYED A VERY SIMPLE
01:12:36.150 --> 01:12:38.030
PRAYER.
01:12:38.030 --> 01:12:39.000
I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:39.210
WAS, 'CAUSE MY PRAYERS ARE
01:12:39.210 --> 01:12:40.140
SIMPLE, LIKE: FATHER, I SPEAK
01:12:40.140 --> 01:12:42.000
LIFE INTO THIS BODY, IN THE
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.150
NAME OF JESUS, RIGHT NOW.
01:12:43.150 --> 01:12:46.060
THANK YOU.
01:12:46.060 --> 01:12:47.170
AND TOOK MY HANDS OFF HIM,
01:12:47.170 --> 01:12:50.020
LOOKED AT HIM.
01:12:50.020 --> 01:12:50.280
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE GOES:
01:12:50.280 --> 01:12:51.270
"I FEEL GOOD!
01:12:51.270 --> 01:12:52.110
I FEEL GOOD!"
01:12:52.110 --> 01:12:53.100
THIS MAN HAD LIKE EIGHT KIDS.
01:12:53.100 --> 01:12:54.120
AND I SAID--
01:12:54.120 --> 01:12:56.040
OH, AND HIS WIFE WAS SITTIN'
01:12:56.040 --> 01:12:57.170
BESIDE HIM.
01:12:57.170 --> 01:12:58.020
SHE GOES, "YOU LOOK GOOD."
01:12:58.020 --> 01:12:58.280
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:12:58.280 --> 01:12:59.140
HE GOES, "I FEEL LIKE SITTING
01:12:59.140 --> 01:13:00.100
UP."
01:13:00.100 --> 01:13:01.150
WELL, HE COULDN'T EVEN LIFT HIS
01:13:01.150 --> 01:13:02.070
HEAD OFF THE PILLOW.
01:13:02.070 --> 01:13:03.000
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE SITS UP
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:03.230
IN BED IN FRONT OF HIS LAWYER,
01:13:03.230 --> 01:13:05.010
IN FRONT OF MY BOARD MEMBER,
01:13:05.010 --> 01:13:07.090
HIS WIFE.
01:13:07.090 --> 01:13:08.150
HE SITS UP, HE LOOKS AT HIS
01:13:08.150 --> 01:13:09.140
WIFE, HE GOES, "I FEEL GOOD!"
01:13:09.140 --> 01:13:11.030
SHE GOES, "YOU LOOK GOOD."
01:13:11.030 --> 01:13:12.050
HE GOES, "I FEEL LIKE STANDING
01:13:12.050 --> 01:13:13.280
UP!"
01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:15.060
SHE GOES, "DO IT."
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:16.190
BECAUSE, SHE'S ABOUT TO LOSE
01:13:16.190 --> 01:13:17.140
HER HUSBAND.
01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:18.090
- MATT: WOW.
01:13:18.090 --> 01:13:18.280
- LEON: SHE'S GONNA RAISE
01:13:18.280 --> 01:13:19.180
THESE KIDS BY HERSELF.
01:13:19.180 --> 01:13:20.180
THIS GUY STANDS UP AND HE
01:13:20.180 --> 01:13:21.250
STARTS WAVING BACK AND FORTH.
01:13:21.250 --> 01:13:22.210
HE'S SO WEAK.
01:13:22.210 --> 01:13:23.240
AND SO, I GRAB ONE ARM, SHE
01:13:23.240 --> 01:13:25.010
GRABS-- AND WE JUST KIND OF
01:13:25.010 --> 01:13:25.260
HELD HIM THERE.
01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:26.280
AND HE GOES, "I FEEL GOOD!"
01:13:26.280 --> 01:13:27.180
THIS BIG SMILE'S COMIN' ON HIS
01:13:27.180 --> 01:13:28.200
FACE.
01:13:28.200 --> 01:13:29.100
SHE GOES, "YOU LOOK GOOD."
01:13:29.100 --> 01:13:30.030
"I FEEL LIKE DANCIN'."
01:13:30.030 --> 01:13:31.190
SHE GOES, "WHAT?
01:13:31.190 --> 01:13:32.270
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:13:32.270 --> 01:13:33.190
DO IT!"
01:13:33.190 --> 01:13:34.290
SO, HE'S WEARING A BLUE GOWN,
01:13:34.290 --> 01:13:35.200
YOU KNOW WITH THE BACK OPEN?
01:13:35.200 --> 01:13:36.130
- MATT: YEAH.
01:13:36.130 --> 01:13:37.020
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:37.180
- LEON: GOOD THING IT WAS ALL
01:13:37.180 --> 01:13:38.100
MEN IN THE ROOM.
01:13:38.100 --> 01:13:38.250
AND HE GRABS IT-- HE HAD A
01:13:38.250 --> 01:13:39.190
LONG, SKINNY IV POLE.
01:13:39.190 --> 01:13:41.080
AND HE STARTED KIND OF JUST
01:13:41.080 --> 01:13:42.080
MOVING HIS FEET AROUND.
01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:43.100
LITERALLY, THIS MAN WAS SO
01:13:43.100 --> 01:13:44.060
EXCITED.
01:13:44.060 --> 01:13:45.290
HE COULD SENSE THIS STRENGTH,
01:13:45.290 --> 01:13:46.200
THIS HEALING, THIS ENERGY FROM
01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:48.160
BEING SO WEAK AND DYING.
01:13:48.160 --> 01:13:50.150
AND THAT MAN WAS COMPLETELY
01:13:50.150 --> 01:13:52.110
HEALED AND IS ALIVE TODAY, IN
01:13:52.110 --> 01:13:53.280
FRONT OF HIS LAWYER, IN FRONT
01:13:53.280 --> 01:13:55.240
OF ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
01:13:55.240 --> 01:13:56.270
AN INCREDIBLE MIRACLE.
01:13:56.270 --> 01:13:58.000
AND THEN, THE HOSPITAL -- WHO
01:13:58.000 --> 01:13:59.250
DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG
01:13:59.250 --> 01:14:01.080
WITH HIM; THEY HAD SENT OFF
01:14:01.080 --> 01:14:02.040
BLOOD TESTS AND STUFF TO ALL
01:14:02.040 --> 01:14:03.250
THE GREAT HOSPITALS; THEY SAID
01:14:03.250 --> 01:14:04.180
IT WAS NOT GOING TO GET BACK IN
01:14:04.180 --> 01:14:05.180
TIME -- THEY COULDN'T FIND A
01:14:05.180 --> 01:14:06.250
THING WRONG WITH HIM.
01:14:06.250 --> 01:14:07.190
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG.
01:14:07.190 --> 01:14:08.110
BUT GOD TOUCHED HIM AND HEALED
01:14:08.110 --> 01:14:09.040
HIM.
01:14:09.040 --> 01:14:09.240
THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO
01:14:09.240 --> 01:14:10.160
UNDERSTAND.
01:14:10.160 --> 01:14:12.240
YOU DON'T NEED TO WORK IT UP.
01:14:12.240 --> 01:14:14.100
YOU DON'T NEED TO PRAY IT UP OR
01:14:14.100 --> 01:14:16.110
PRAY IT THROUGH.
01:14:16.110 --> 01:14:17.190
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PRAY
01:14:17.190 --> 01:14:18.170
THROUGH?
01:14:18.170 --> 01:14:19.080
THE DEVIL DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH
01:14:19.080 --> 01:14:20.030
POWER TO STOP IT.
01:14:20.070 --> 01:14:23.070
GOD'S NOT WITH GONNA
01:14:23.070 --> 01:14:23.240
WITHHOLD IT, SO, WHAT ARE
01:14:23.240 --> 01:14:24.150
WE GONNA PRAY ABOUT?
01:14:24.150 --> 01:14:25.030
WELL, ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF
01:14:25.030 --> 01:14:25.290
GOD, YOU JUST SPEAK TO THE
01:14:25.290 --> 01:14:26.190
MOUNTAIN.
01:14:26.190 --> 01:14:27.010
THIS MIRACLE'S ALREADY YOURS.
01:14:27.010 --> 01:14:29.290
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FAST THREE
01:14:29.290 --> 01:14:30.210
DAYS TO BREAK THE HOLD OF THE
01:14:30.210 --> 01:14:32.110
DEVIL.
01:14:32.110 --> 01:14:33.240
THE DEVIL'S HOLD WAS BROKEN
01:14:33.240 --> 01:14:34.220
2.000 YEARS AGO.
01:14:34.220 --> 01:14:35.200
- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:36.240
- LEON: JESUS DEFEATED HIM AND
01:14:36.240 --> 01:14:38.030
SAID THAT I HAVE ALL THE
01:14:38.030 --> 01:14:40.080
AUTHORITY: I HAVE ALL THE
01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:41.090
AUTHORITY.
01:14:41.090 --> 01:14:41.270
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE DEVIL,
01:14:41.270 --> 01:14:42.180
I THINK ABOUT A DEFEATED FOE.
01:14:42.180 --> 01:14:43.130
I THINK ABOUT-- I'M NOT GIVING
01:14:43.130 --> 01:14:44.040
HIM ANY ATTENTION.
01:14:44.040 --> 01:14:44.190
AND I'M NOT GONNA BEG AND PLEAD
01:14:44.190 --> 01:14:45.160
WITH GOD.
01:14:45.160 --> 01:14:46.030
BECAUSE HE'S NOT A RELUCTANT
01:14:46.030 --> 01:14:47.080
GOD WITHHOLDING THE HEALING.
01:14:47.080 --> 01:14:49.040
HE COMMANDED IT ON ME 2.000
01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:51.010
YEARS AGO.
01:14:51.010 --> 01:14:51.210
SO, IF GOD'S COMMANDED THE
01:14:51.210 --> 01:14:53.030
BLESSING ON ME AND SATAN'S BEEN
01:14:53.030 --> 01:14:53.290
DESTROYED FROM STOPPING THAT
01:14:53.290 --> 01:14:55.010
BLESSING IN MY LIFE, WELL,
01:14:55.010 --> 01:14:56.260
THEN, I'M JUST GONNA RECEIVE
01:14:56.260 --> 01:14:57.240
IT.
01:14:57.240 --> 01:14:59.120
- MATT: GOOD.
01:14:59.120 --> 01:15:00.020
- LEON: I'M GONNA SEND IT.
01:15:00.020 --> 01:15:00.280
FATHER, RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE
01:15:00.280 --> 01:15:02.140
WATCHING THROUGH THIS CAMERA
01:15:02.140 --> 01:15:03.190
AND THROUGH THEIR TELEVISIONS.
01:15:03.190 --> 01:15:04.130
- MATT: THANK YOU, LORD.
01:15:04.130 --> 01:15:05.210
- LEON: AND, LORD, I'M ASKING
01:15:06.250 --> 01:15:09.250
THAT, HOLY SPIRIT, THAT YOU
01:15:09.250 --> 01:15:11.130
WOULD JUST TOUCH THEM IN A
01:15:11.130 --> 01:15:13.080
BEAUTIFUL WAY; THAT, FATHER,
01:15:13.080 --> 01:15:14.140
THEIR MIND WOULD JUST BE AT
01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:15.040
PEACE RIGHT NOW.
01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:16.180
AND, FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT
01:15:16.180 --> 01:15:18.200
YOUR FAVORS,
01:15:19.080 --> 01:15:22.080
THAT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAID
01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:24.000
WE CAN COME BOLDLY TO YOUR
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:24.200
THRONE OF GRACE, ASK FOR MERCY
01:15:24.200 --> 01:15:25.150
AND HELP IN TIME OF NEED.
01:15:25.150 --> 01:15:27.080
SO, IN JESUS' NAME, RECEIVE THE
01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:29.230
FREE GIFT OF HEALING.
01:15:29.230 --> 01:15:32.120
FATHER, I PRAY YOU TOUCH THAT
01:15:32.120 --> 01:15:33.200
TROUBLED MIND.
01:15:33.200 --> 01:15:35.110
THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE SO
01:15:35.110 --> 01:15:36.240
STRESSED AND DEPRESSED.
01:15:36.240 --> 01:15:38.160
DO A MIRACLE RIGHT NOW.
01:15:38.160 --> 01:15:40.000
AND, MIND, YOU BE AT PEACE.
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.230
FATHER, I SPEAK LIFE INTO THOSE
01:15:42.230 --> 01:15:43.230
BOWELS.
01:15:43.230 --> 01:15:45.120
I SPEAK LIFE INTO THAT HEART.
01:15:45.120 --> 01:15:46.180
I SPEAK LIFE INTO THAT PHYSICAL
01:15:46.180 --> 01:15:47.210
BODY.
01:15:47.210 --> 01:15:48.190
LET THERE BE AN EXPLOSION OF
01:15:48.190 --> 01:15:49.110
MIRACLES TAKE PLACE!
01:15:49.190 --> 01:15:52.190
LET PEOPLE REPORT FROM ALL OVER
01:15:52.190 --> 01:15:54.050
THIS PLANET THAT IN THIS ONE
01:15:54.050 --> 01:15:56.060
SIMPLE PRAYER, MIRACLES
01:15:57.140 --> 01:16:00.160
EXPLODED.
01:16:00.160 --> 01:16:01.100
FATHER, I JUST PRAY RESTORATION
01:16:01.100 --> 01:16:02.020
OF MARRIAGES...
01:16:02.020 --> 01:16:02.160
- MATT: THANK YOU, LORD.
01:16:02.160 --> 01:16:03.050
- LEON: ...OF HOMES...
01:16:03.050 --> 01:16:04.060
THOSE RUNAWAYS, THEIR PARENTS
01:16:04.060 --> 01:16:06.210
DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE --
01:16:06.210 --> 01:16:07.110
FATHER, LET THIS WEEK LET THEM
01:16:07.110 --> 01:16:08.050
HEAR FROM THEM.
01:16:08.050 --> 01:16:10.110
LET THEM GET GOOD NEWS.
01:16:10.110 --> 01:16:11.120
I'M PRAYING FOR THAT
01:16:11.120 --> 01:16:12.160
BUSINESSPERSON, FATHER, WHO'S
01:16:12.160 --> 01:16:13.200
LOSING A CAREER OR A BUSINESS
01:16:13.200 --> 01:16:14.260
AND IS JUST FREAKED OUT.
01:16:14.260 --> 01:16:17.080
I'M ASKING YOU THIS WEEK THAT A
01:16:17.080 --> 01:16:19.040
MIRACLE TAKES PLACE THAT THEY
01:16:19.040 --> 01:16:21.020
COULD NEVER HAVE WORKED UP AND
01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:22.270
THEY'LL KNOW THAT THE GOD OF
01:16:22.270 --> 01:16:24.080
ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, THE GOD
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.000
-- OUR GOD -- IS TOUCHING THEIR
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:29.020
LIVES.
01:16:29.020 --> 01:16:30.200
FATHER, LET MIRACLES EXPLODE
01:16:30.200 --> 01:16:32.050
INTO HOMES AND FAMILIES.
01:16:32.050 --> 01:16:33.240
THAT HOSPITAL BED WATCH YOU
01:16:33.240 --> 01:16:35.130
RIGHT NOW.
01:16:35.130 --> 01:16:36.090
LET IT JUST, FATHER, TOUCH
01:16:36.090 --> 01:16:37.280
EVERY ORGAN, THE BLOOD, EVERY
01:16:37.280 --> 01:16:39.060
NERVE ENDING--
01:16:39.060 --> 01:16:40.110
- MATT: THANK YOU, FATHER.
01:16:40.110 --> 01:16:41.110
- LEON: --EVERY MUSCLE, EVERY
01:16:41.110 --> 01:16:42.040
BONE, FATHER.
01:16:42.040 --> 01:16:43.070
JUST RESTORE THEM, IN JESUS'
01:16:43.070 --> 01:16:44.160
NAME.
01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:45.070
JESUS, YOU PAID THE PRICE FOR
01:16:45.070 --> 01:16:47.170
HEALING.
01:16:47.170 --> 01:16:48.270
YOU TOOK ALL OF THE CURSE.
01:16:48.270 --> 01:16:50.140
THEREFORE, HELP THEM TO TAKE IT
01:16:50.140 --> 01:16:52.050
AS A FREE GIFT.
01:16:52.050 --> 01:16:53.090
JUST TAKE IT RIGHT NOW, IN
01:16:53.090 --> 01:16:54.150
JESUS' NAME.
01:16:54.150 --> 01:16:55.080
RECEIVE THE POWER OF GOD AND
01:16:55.080 --> 01:16:57.280
LET A MIRACLE TAKE PLACE.
01:16:57.280 --> 01:16:59.130
- LAURIE: YES.
01:16:59.130 --> 01:17:01.160
- LEON: JUST SAY: THANK YOU,
01:17:01.160 --> 01:17:02.070
JESUS.
01:17:02.070 --> 01:17:02.160
- LAURIE: THANK YOU, JESUS.
01:17:02.160 --> 01:17:03.130
- LEON: THANK YOU, JESUS.
01:17:03.130 --> 01:17:04.220
- LAURIE: THANK YOU, JESUS.
01:17:04.220 --> 01:17:06.190
- LEON: AMEN.
01:17:06.190 --> 01:17:07.040
- MATT: AMEN.
01:17:07.040 --> 01:17:07.200
- LAURIE: AMEN.
01:17:07.200 --> 01:17:08.150
- LEON: YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS
01:17:08.150 --> 01:17:09.050
TELL PEOPLE WHEN WE PRAY IN OUR
01:17:09.050 --> 01:17:09.270
CHURCH THAT IF YOU ARE A
01:17:09.270 --> 01:17:10.150
DIABETIC AND I PRAY FOR YOU AND
01:17:11.040 --> 01:17:14.040
WE PRAY FOR YOU THAT YOU NEED
01:17:14.040 --> 01:17:15.070
TO BE VERY AWARE THAT IF YOU'RE
01:17:15.070 --> 01:17:16.040
TAKING INSULIN THAT IF YOUR
01:17:16.040 --> 01:17:18.060
PANCREAS GETS HEALED AND YOU'RE
01:17:18.060 --> 01:17:19.180
ADDING INSULIN TO IT THAT YOU
01:17:19.180 --> 01:17:20.230
CAN GO IN INSULIN SHOCK.
01:17:20.230 --> 01:17:22.120
SO, IF YOU ARE-- SO, BUT I
01:17:22.120 --> 01:17:24.140
DON'T TELL THEM TO THROW THEIR
01:17:24.140 --> 01:17:25.060
MEDICATION AWAY.
01:17:25.060 --> 01:17:26.130
I JUST SAY JUST BE AWARE.
01:17:26.130 --> 01:17:28.090
JESUS DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH
01:17:28.090 --> 01:17:29.100
SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
01:17:29.100 --> 01:17:30.120
IF YOU'RE ON DIGOXIN AS ONE OF
01:17:30.120 --> 01:17:32.120
THE HEART MEDICATIONS...
01:17:32.120 --> 01:17:33.290
YOU KNOW, IF YOUR HEART AND ALL
01:17:34.150 --> 01:17:37.150
THESE ARRHYTHMIAS HEAL UP AND
01:17:37.150 --> 01:17:38.060
YOU KEEP TAKING DIGOXIN, WELL,
01:17:38.060 --> 01:17:38.280
IT CAN KILL YOU.
01:17:38.280 --> 01:17:39.130
SO, BE VERY AWARE AS YOUR HEART
01:17:39.130 --> 01:17:40.210
HEALS UP, IF YOUR MEDICATION
01:17:40.210 --> 01:17:41.210
MAKES YOU FEEL FUNNY, GO SEE
01:17:41.210 --> 01:17:43.010
YOUR DOCTOR.
01:17:43.010 --> 01:17:44.150
HE'S NOT GOING TO DISPROVE IF
01:17:44.150 --> 01:17:45.250
GOD'S DONE A MIRACLE IN YOUR
01:17:45.250 --> 01:17:47.070
BODY.
01:17:47.070 --> 01:17:48.060
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER
01:17:48.060 --> 01:17:49.110
MEDICATIONS YOU'RE ON, DON'T
01:17:49.110 --> 01:17:50.140
THROW THEM AWAY--
01:17:50.140 --> 01:17:52.160
DON'T STOMP ON YOUR GLASSES AS
01:17:52.160 --> 01:17:54.120
A SIGN OF HEALING AND THEN
01:17:54.120 --> 01:17:55.020
DRIVE BY MY HOUSE.
01:17:55.020 --> 01:17:56.060
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:17:56.060 --> 01:17:56.220
[MATT LAUGHS]
01:17:56.220 --> 01:17:57.110
THERE'S TWO WAYS GOD HEALS.
01:17:57.110 --> 01:17:59.030
THERE'S THE MIRACLE, WHICH IS
01:17:59.030 --> 01:17:59.240
INSTANTANEOUS, BUT THEN THERE'S
01:17:59.240 --> 01:18:00.240
THE RECOVERY, WHICH IS A
01:18:00.240 --> 01:18:01.230
GRADUAL--
01:18:01.230 --> 01:18:04.020
AND IT SURE BEATS DYING.
01:18:06.010 --> 01:18:09.010
ONE LADY IN OUR CHURCH HAD A
01:18:09.010 --> 01:18:09.220
TUMOR.
01:18:09.220 --> 01:18:10.050
AND IT STARTED SHRINKING BUT IT
01:18:10.050 --> 01:18:10.270
TOOK NINE MONTHS TO DISAPPEAR.
01:18:10.270 --> 01:18:12.190
AND WHEN IT DID DISAPPEAR, IT
01:18:12.190 --> 01:18:13.220
NEVER CAME BACK.
01:18:13.220 --> 01:18:15.080
AND SHE'S STILL ALIVE TODAY,
01:18:15.080 --> 01:18:16.200
SO, I DON'T CARE IF IT TAKES
01:18:16.200 --> 01:18:17.280
NINE MONTHS, 24 HOURS, OR IF
01:18:17.280 --> 01:18:19.080
YOU GOT A MIRACLE RIGHT NOW.
01:18:19.080 --> 01:18:20.080
YOU JUST KEEP LOVIN', LAUGHING,
01:18:20.080 --> 01:18:21.220
ENJOYING GOD.
01:18:21.220 --> 01:18:23.070
GET A HOLD OF SOME GREAT
01:18:23.070 --> 01:18:25.020
MATERIAL ON WHAT HAPPENED AT
01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:26.210
THE CROSS, HOW COMPLETE WAS IT
01:18:26.210 --> 01:18:28.220
THAT-- THAT PAID FOR EVERYTHING
01:18:28.220 --> 01:18:31.020
THAT EVER--
01:18:31.020 --> 01:18:32.090
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, EVERY
01:18:32.090 --> 01:18:33.060
PROMISE HAS AN "IF."
01:18:33.060 --> 01:18:34.120
BUT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, JESUS
01:18:34.120 --> 01:18:35.250
QUALIFIED YOU FOR EVERY
01:18:35.250 --> 01:18:37.180
PROMISE.
01:18:37.180 --> 01:18:39.050
SO NOW, HOW DOES THAT CHANGE
01:18:39.050 --> 01:18:40.000
THE WAY YOU PRAY?
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.210
IF THE DEVIL WAS STRIPPED OF
01:18:41.210 --> 01:18:42.250
ALL POWER, HOW DOES THAT CHANGE
01:18:42.250 --> 01:18:44.110
THE WAY WE PRAY IN THE NEW
01:18:44.110 --> 01:18:45.240
TESTAMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE OLD
01:18:45.240 --> 01:18:47.270
TESTAMENT?
01:18:47.270 --> 01:18:49.130
WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE PRAYING
01:18:49.130 --> 01:18:50.220
OLD TESTAMENT PRAYERS HERE WHEN
01:18:50.220 --> 01:18:52.240
THEY OUGHT TO BE UNDERSTANDING
01:18:52.240 --> 01:18:54.080
THE NEW COVENANT REALITIES, THE
01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:56.100
AUTHORITY OF THE BELIEVER, WHAT
01:18:56.100 --> 01:18:58.010
GRACE IS.
01:18:58.010 --> 01:19:00.040
GRACE ISN'T JUST UNDESERVED
01:19:00.040 --> 01:19:02.030
FAVOR.
01:19:02.030 --> 01:19:03.240
IT'S HIS ABILITY THAT'S COMING
01:19:03.240 --> 01:19:06.120
TO YOU AS UNDESERVED AND AS A
01:19:06.120 --> 01:19:07.090
FAVOR.
01:19:07.090 --> 01:19:08.280
- MATT: WOW.
01:19:08.280 --> 01:19:09.190
- LEON: THAT ABILITY WILL HELP
01:19:09.190 --> 01:19:10.180
YOU TO BREAK ADDICTION, THAT
01:19:10.180 --> 01:19:11.230
ABILITY HELPS YOU TO SAY NO TO
01:19:11.230 --> 01:19:12.290
TEMPTATION.
01:19:12.290 --> 01:19:14.070
YOU CAN'T DO IT ON YOUR OWN,
01:19:14.070 --> 01:19:15.280
BUT THIS GRACE IS YOURS.
01:19:15.280 --> 01:19:18.010
HIS POWER, HIS ABILITY TO BE
01:19:18.010 --> 01:19:19.150
THE HUSBAND THAT YOU WANNA BE,
01:19:19.150 --> 01:19:21.070
THE DAD YOU'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO
01:19:21.070 --> 01:19:22.160
BE, THE MUM YOU'VE ALWAYS
01:19:22.160 --> 01:19:24.020
WANTED TO BE, THE
01:19:24.020 --> 01:19:24.220
BUSINESSPERSON -- HE'LL GUIDE
01:19:24.220 --> 01:19:25.210
YOU, HE'LL LEAD YOU.
01:19:25.210 --> 01:19:26.200
OH, MAN!
01:19:26.200 --> 01:19:27.120
WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE CROSS
01:19:27.120 --> 01:19:28.240
AND WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THE
01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:30.100
CROSS, HOW COMPLETE THIS WAS...
01:19:30.170 --> 01:19:33.170
I MEAN, THE WORLD LITERALLY HAD
01:19:33.170 --> 01:19:35.020
EARTHQUAKES AND ECLIPSES AND
01:19:35.020 --> 01:19:37.070
DEAD BODIES ARE WALKING OUT OF
01:19:37.070 --> 01:19:39.000
GRAVES WHEN JESUS DIED AND PAID
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.030
THE PRICE FOR EVERY ONE OF US.
01:19:41.030 --> 01:19:43.010
MIRACULOUSLY INCREDIBLE!
01:19:43.010 --> 01:19:45.230
FOR YOU.
01:19:45.230 --> 01:19:47.080
NOW, LET'S START WALKING THIS
01:19:47.080 --> 01:19:48.160
INCREDIBLE LIFE.
01:19:48.160 --> 01:19:50.050
LET'S LIVE THIS LIFE THAT GOD
01:19:50.050 --> 01:19:51.140
AND IF YOU NEED MORE
01:19:54.050 --> 01:19:54.210
INFORMATION ON SPIRIT
01:19:54.210 --> 01:19:55.080
AND ORDER SOME-- AND JUST GET A
01:20:00.090 --> 01:20:01.010
STEADY DIET OF THIS COMING INTO
01:20:01.010 --> 01:20:02.010
YOUR LIFE.
01:20:02.010 --> 01:20:03.280
BECAUSE I WANT YOU SPIRITUALLY
01:20:03.280 --> 01:20:05.010
ALIVE, VIBRANT WITH HOLY SPIRIT
01:20:05.090 --> 01:20:08.090
AND, THEN, CONTEMPORARY, COOL,
01:20:10.180 --> 01:20:11.230
AND RELEVANT IN HOW YOU WALK
01:20:11.230 --> 01:20:13.200
THROUGH EVERYDAY LIFE.
01:20:13.200 --> 01:20:16.000
NO COMPROMISE, BUT DOING BOTH.
01:20:16.010 --> 01:20:19.010
SO, IF YOU'RE IN BUSINESS, THE
01:20:19.010 --> 01:20:19.220
PRESENCE OF GOD AND THE
01:20:19.220 --> 01:20:21.060
BLESSING OF GOD IS UPON YOU.
01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:23.110
BUT NOW, PRACTICALLY, IN THIS
01:20:23.110 --> 01:20:24.050
CONTEMPORARY WORLD, YOU'RE
01:20:24.050 --> 01:20:24.250
STILL GONNA NEED GOOD SKILLS.
01:20:24.250 --> 01:20:25.220
YOU CAN PRAY FOR A QUARTER OF A
01:20:25.220 --> 01:20:26.190
MILLION DOLLAR JOB, BUT YOU
01:20:26.190 --> 01:20:28.130
NEED A QUARTER OF A MILLION
01:20:28.130 --> 01:20:30.010
DOLLAR SKILLS OR THEY'RE GONNA
01:20:30.010 --> 01:20:31.180
FIRE YOU ONCE YOU GET THAT
01:20:31.180 --> 01:20:32.220
BLESSED JOB.
01:20:32.220 --> 01:20:34.150
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:20:34.150 --> 01:20:35.270
SO, WE NEED THIS SPIRIT OF GOD,
01:20:35.270 --> 01:20:37.170
THE WORD OF GOD.
01:20:37.170 --> 01:20:38.060
BUT NOW, IN THIS WORLD THAT WE
01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:39.110
LIVE IN, LET'S BE CONTEMPORARY,
01:20:39.110 --> 01:20:40.190
RELEVANT...
01:20:40.190 --> 01:20:42.130
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE
01:20:42.130 --> 01:20:44.010
UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE THAT
01:20:44.010 --> 01:20:45.080
WE'RE REACHING.
01:20:45.080 --> 01:20:47.030
LET'S MAKE SURE.
01:20:47.030 --> 01:20:47.190
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WATCHING
01:20:47.190 --> 01:20:48.140
TODAY, AS WELL, AND, YOU WERE
01:20:48.140 --> 01:20:49.170
RAISED, LIKE ME, IN A LOT OF
01:20:49.170 --> 01:20:51.110
CHRISTIAN CHRISTIANITY--
01:20:51.260 --> 01:20:54.260
AND I HAD AMAZING TEACHING FROM
01:20:54.260 --> 01:20:56.020
MY MUM AND DAD, BUT THEN I
01:20:56.020 --> 01:20:57.100
BEGAN TO FOLLOW ALL THESE OTHER
01:20:57.100 --> 01:20:58.020
GREAT LEADERS.
01:20:58.020 --> 01:20:58.240
BUT, I STARTED TO GET
01:20:58.240 --> 01:21:00.090
RELIGIOUS, I STARTED TO MAKE
01:21:00.090 --> 01:21:01.160
RULES ABOUT HOW HOLY SPIRIT
01:21:01.160 --> 01:21:02.070
WOULD OR WOULDN'T MOVE.
01:21:02.070 --> 01:21:03.070
- MATT: WOW.
01:21:03.070 --> 01:21:03.220
- LEON: AND HOW THE GIFTS OF
01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:04.170
THE SPIRIT WOULD OR WOULDN'T
01:21:04.170 --> 01:21:05.080
FLOW.
01:21:05.080 --> 01:21:05.280
AND IS THE ANOINTING HERE OR
01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:06.220
NOT HERE?
01:21:06.220 --> 01:21:07.080
DO I FEEL HIM OR NOT?
01:21:07.080 --> 01:21:07.270
DO I HAVE HOLY GOOSE BUMPS OR
01:21:07.270 --> 01:21:08.200
NOT?
01:21:08.200 --> 01:21:09.050
DO I SEE A GLORY CLOUD COMING
01:21:09.050 --> 01:21:10.140
DOWN ANYWHERE?
01:21:10.140 --> 01:21:11.100
IS THERE AN ANGEL--
01:21:11.100 --> 01:21:12.020
IS THERE A LADDER WITH ANGELS
01:21:12.020 --> 01:21:13.060
COMING DOWN?
01:21:13.060 --> 01:21:13.250
LIKE ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT I
01:21:13.250 --> 01:21:14.240
HAD HEARD...
01:21:15.220 --> 01:21:18.220
...I JUST KIND OF SAID: "GOD,
01:21:18.220 --> 01:21:19.170
I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO YOUR
01:21:19.170 --> 01:21:20.080
WORD.
01:21:20.080 --> 01:21:21.030
AND I'M JUST GONNA READ YOUR
01:21:21.030 --> 01:21:21.230
WORD."
01:21:21.230 --> 01:21:22.190
YOU KNOW, I'D RUN INTO DEMONIC
01:21:22.190 --> 01:21:23.110
SITUATIONS.
01:21:23.110 --> 01:21:24.050
I REMEMBER ONE TIME THAT FOUR
01:21:24.050 --> 01:21:25.100
POLICEMEN WERE TRYING TO HOLD
01:21:25.100 --> 01:21:26.150
DOWN THIS DEMONICALLY POSSESSED
01:21:26.150 --> 01:21:27.240
WOMAN.
01:21:27.240 --> 01:21:29.150
SHE WAS-- AND THEY COULD NOT.
01:21:29.150 --> 01:21:30.100
SHE WAS FLIPPIN' OUT, FREAKIN'
01:21:30.100 --> 01:21:31.170
OUT.
01:21:31.170 --> 01:21:32.100
AND I WAS A PARAMEDIC THEN.
01:21:32.100 --> 01:21:33.150
SO, I WALK IN AND THEY SAID,
01:21:33.150 --> 01:21:35.040
"WE'VE GOT TO STRAP HER ONTO
01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:37.150
YOUR STRETCHER."
01:21:37.150 --> 01:21:38.100
BUT, LOOK.
01:21:38.100 --> 01:21:39.120
AND SHE HAD ONE GUY WHERE HE
01:21:39.120 --> 01:21:40.080
HAD SCRATCHES ON HIM.
01:21:41.170 --> 01:21:44.170
SHE WAS JUST SCREAMING FLIPPIN'
01:21:44.170 --> 01:21:45.120
WILD MAD.
01:21:45.120 --> 01:21:45.260
AND SHE WAS DEMONICALLY
01:21:45.260 --> 01:21:46.140
OPPRESSED.
01:21:46.280 --> 01:21:49.280
POSSESSED.
01:21:49.280 --> 01:21:50.100
AND SO, I REMEMBER GOING TO THE
01:21:50.100 --> 01:21:51.020
HEAD.
01:21:51.020 --> 01:21:51.140
AND I PUT MY HEAD DOWN TO HER
01:21:51.140 --> 01:21:52.050
EAR.
01:21:52.050 --> 01:21:52.190
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:21:52.190 --> 01:21:54.030
AND I SAID, "SHUT UP."
01:21:54.030 --> 01:21:54.210
[LAUGHTER]
01:21:54.210 --> 01:21:55.020
THAT'S ALL I SAID.
01:21:55.020 --> 01:21:55.190
AND SHE WENT -- BAM!
01:21:55.190 --> 01:21:56.090
JUST LIKE THAT.
01:21:56.090 --> 01:21:56.250
PUT HER HANDS ON HER STOMACH.
01:21:56.250 --> 01:21:58.070
WE PUT HER ON THE...GURNEY,
01:21:59.070 --> 01:22:02.090
STRAPPED HER DOWN, AND THEN THE
01:22:02.090 --> 01:22:03.210
POLICE WOULD HAVE TO PUT
01:22:03.210 --> 01:22:04.210
RESTRAINTS ON.
01:22:04.210 --> 01:22:05.180
WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
01:22:05.180 --> 01:22:06.280
AND THEN WE TOOK HER OFF TO THE
01:22:06.280 --> 01:22:07.200
MENTAL WARD.
01:22:07.200 --> 01:22:09.210
ONE OF THE POLICEMEN WAS
01:22:09.210 --> 01:22:10.150
WATCHING REALLY CLOSELY.
01:22:10.150 --> 01:22:11.160
AND HE SAYS, "WHAT IN THE BEEP
01:22:11.160 --> 01:22:14.160
DID YOU SAY TO THAT LADY?"
01:22:14.160 --> 01:22:16.140
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:22:16.140 --> 01:22:17.060
AND, I DIDN'T SENSE IT WAS A
01:22:17.060 --> 01:22:18.080
TIME TO TALK TO HIM AT THAT
01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:19.050
TIME.
01:22:19.050 --> 01:22:19.190
"I JUST TOLD HER TO SHUT UP."
01:22:19.190 --> 01:22:20.260
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:22:20.260 --> 01:22:21.120
NOW, YOU WOULD SAY: WELL, LEON,
01:22:21.120 --> 01:22:22.050
DID YOU USE A VERSE?
01:22:22.050 --> 01:22:22.280
DID YOU FAST AND PRAY FOR THREE
01:22:22.280 --> 01:22:24.250
DAYS?
01:22:24.250 --> 01:22:26.050
DID YOU SAY, "IN THE NAME OF
01:22:26.050 --> 01:22:27.050
JESUS CHRIST" AND--
01:22:27.050 --> 01:22:28.210
NO, I JUST TOLD HER TO SHUT UP.
01:22:28.210 --> 01:22:29.130
WHY?
01:22:29.130 --> 01:22:30.110
BECAUSE I'M A CHILD OF THE KING
01:22:30.110 --> 01:22:31.170
AND MY JOB WAS TO TRANSPORT
01:22:31.170 --> 01:22:32.290
THAT WOMAN BACK TO THAT
01:22:32.290 --> 01:22:34.110
HOSPITAL.
01:22:34.110 --> 01:22:34.280
AND YOU ARE NOT GONNA PUT ON A
01:22:34.280 --> 01:22:36.020
SHOW IN FRONT OF ME, SO SHUT
01:22:36.020 --> 01:22:37.010
UP.
01:22:37.010 --> 01:22:38.110
[LAURIE LAUGHS]
01:22:38.110 --> 01:22:39.170
THE ENEMY HAS TO OBEY YOU.
01:22:39.170 --> 01:22:40.260
TO ME, THAT'S SPIRIT
01:22:40.260 --> 01:22:42.110
CONTEMPORARY.
01:22:42.110 --> 01:22:42.260
I DIDN'T NEED TO PUT ON A BIG
01:22:42.260 --> 01:22:43.260
OL' SHOW, ANOINT HER WITH HOLY
01:22:43.260 --> 01:22:44.180
OIL, OR HOLY SHOCK.
01:22:44.180 --> 01:22:45.240
OR, PUT SOME KIND OF A BIG
01:22:45.240 --> 01:22:46.220
RELIGIOUS--
01:22:46.220 --> 01:22:47.120
I JUST PUT MY FACE BY HER EAR
01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:48.250
AND TOLD HER TO SHUT UP.
01:22:48.250 --> 01:22:49.200
[SNAPS FINGERS]
01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:50.050
AND I'VE OFTEN, IN SITUATIONS,
01:22:50.050 --> 01:22:51.110
JUST SPOKEN A WORD, VERY
01:22:51.110 --> 01:22:52.130
CONTEMPORARY, DIDN'T PUT ON A
01:22:52.130 --> 01:22:53.280
BIG SHOW, AND THINGS JUST
01:22:53.280 --> 01:22:55.140
CHANGE.
01:22:55.140 --> 01:22:56.110
GOD LOVES YOU.
01:22:56.110 --> 01:22:58.040
GOD CARES ABOUT YOU.
01:22:58.040 --> 01:22:59.290
I'M BELIEVING GOD THAT
01:22:59.290 --> 01:23:01.060
EVERYWHERE YOU GO NOW, THAT YOU
01:23:01.060 --> 01:23:03.010
JUST SENSE, LIKE WE TALKED
01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:04.130
ABOUT, "HMMM...NOW, THAT PERSON
01:23:04.130 --> 01:23:05.190
JUST STANDS OUT TO ME."
01:23:05.190 --> 01:23:07.210
JUST CASUALLY MAKE YOUR WAY AND
01:23:07.210 --> 01:23:08.290
GET INTO A CONVERSATION.
01:23:08.290 --> 01:23:10.020
MAKE A NEW FRIEND.
01:23:10.020 --> 01:23:11.090
GOD WILL GUIDE YOU IN HOW TO
01:23:11.150 --> 01:23:14.150
SPEAK AND IN WHAT TO SAY.
01:23:14.150 --> 01:23:16.100
WELL, MAN, THIS HAS BEEN FUN.
01:23:16.100 --> 01:23:17.260
- LAURIE: YEAH.
01:23:17.260 --> 01:23:18.260
- LEON: JUST TALKING ABOUT IT.
01:23:18.260 --> 01:23:19.200
- MATT: YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE
01:23:19.200 --> 01:23:20.100
JUST KIND OF COMPLETING THIS
01:23:20.100 --> 01:23:21.170
MINISTRY SEGMENT, IT WOULD
01:23:21.170 --> 01:23:22.200
ALMOST BE-- WHAT I THINK I'M
01:23:22.200 --> 01:23:25.030
TAKING AWAY IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
01:23:25.030 --> 01:23:26.250
WANTING US TO LEARN AND KNOW IS
01:23:26.250 --> 01:23:28.290
THAT EVEN WHEN A VERY DRAMATIC
01:23:28.290 --> 01:23:31.160
THING HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE OF
01:23:31.160 --> 01:23:33.020
KNOWING SOMETHING AND YOU
01:23:33.020 --> 01:23:35.140
SENSING THE WORD "SUICIDE" AND
01:23:35.140 --> 01:23:37.260
THE MAN THAT WAS AT YOUR FRONT
01:23:37.260 --> 01:23:39.180
DOOR, YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T
01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:40.270
SURE.
01:23:40.270 --> 01:23:41.190
- LEON: NO.
01:23:41.190 --> 01:23:42.190
- MATT: YOU WEREN'T-- YOU
01:23:42.190 --> 01:23:43.090
KNOW--
01:23:43.090 --> 01:23:44.270
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE
01:23:44.270 --> 01:23:46.140
TALKED ABOUT THOSE EXPERIENCES
01:23:46.230 --> 01:23:49.230
IN A MORE DRAMATIC WAY THAT
01:23:49.230 --> 01:23:50.180
SEPARATED US FROM THE AVERAGE
01:23:50.180 --> 01:23:51.250
PERSON.
01:23:51.250 --> 01:23:53.220
- LEON: YES...SO GOOD.
01:23:53.220 --> 01:23:54.100
- MATT: SO, YOU KNOW,
01:23:54.100 --> 01:23:55.010
INCORRECTLY, YOU WOULD HAVE
01:23:55.010 --> 01:23:56.160
SAID: "A GUY SHOWED UP AT MY
01:23:56.160 --> 01:23:58.000
DOOR AND I MINISTERED TO HIM
01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.210
ABOUT SUICIDE.
01:23:59.210 --> 01:24:00.270
HE HAD NO IDEA.
01:24:00.270 --> 01:24:01.290
I HAD A WORD IMMEDIATELY."
01:24:01.290 --> 01:24:03.040
YOU KNOW -- BAH, BAH, BAH.
01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:04.040
BUT YOU SIMPLY JUST SIMPLY KIND
01:24:04.040 --> 01:24:06.250
OF HEARD A WORD AND BY FAITH
01:24:06.250 --> 01:24:08.250
ACTED ON IT.
01:24:08.250 --> 01:24:10.060
- LEON: YES.
01:24:10.060 --> 01:24:11.070
- MATT: AND WE HAVEN'T DONE
01:24:11.070 --> 01:24:12.160
TEACHING THAT WAY.
01:24:12.160 --> 01:24:13.120
WE'VE DONE IT IN A WAY WHERE WE
01:24:13.120 --> 01:24:15.000
HAVE STARTED PUTTING, YOU KNOW,
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.160
PRIEST GARMENTS ON.
01:24:17.160 --> 01:24:18.130
- LEON: YEAH.
01:24:18.130 --> 01:24:19.120
- MATT: AND THEN WE STARTED
01:24:19.120 --> 01:24:20.150
PUTTING CARDINAL HATS ON.
01:24:20.150 --> 01:24:22.100
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT SOME
01:24:22.100 --> 01:24:23.220
POINT, EVEN SOME POPE HATS
01:24:23.220 --> 01:24:26.020
ON -- THE FIVEFOLD MINISTRY
01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:28.020
GIFTS THAT WERE REALLY RESERVED
01:24:28.020 --> 01:24:29.240
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT FOR JUST
01:24:29.240 --> 01:24:31.160
THE KINGS, THE PRIESTS, AND THE
01:24:31.160 --> 01:24:32.080
PROPHETS.
01:24:32.080 --> 01:24:35.010
AND, THAT'S REALLY UNPACKING
01:24:35.010 --> 01:24:37.280
CORRECT THEOLOGY IN OUR DAY AND
01:24:37.280 --> 01:24:39.110
AGE.
01:24:39.110 --> 01:24:40.020
AND, LEON -- AMAZING.
01:24:40.020 --> 01:24:42.080
- LAURIE: IT'S FOR US, TOO.
01:24:42.080 --> 01:24:45.060
- MATT: SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY IS
01:24:45.060 --> 01:24:45.280
THE MESSAGE.
01:24:45.280 --> 01:24:46.130
- LAURIE: THAT'S THE GOOD
01:24:46.130 --> 01:24:47.030
NEWS.
01:24:47.030 --> 01:24:48.220
- MATT: "THE SPIRIT
01:24:48.220 --> 01:24:49.080
CONTEMPORARY LIFE" IS THE
01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:50.020
AND "SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY" IS
01:24:53.020 --> 01:24:53.220
THE TELEVISION BROADCAST THAT
01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:54.140
AIRS RIGHT HERE ON TBN.
01:24:54.140 --> 01:24:56.020
AND SO, LAST 30 SECONDS OR SO,
01:24:56.020 --> 01:24:57.120
FINAL THOUGHT, FINAL WORD TO
01:24:57.120 --> 01:24:58.130
THE AUDIENCE THAT'S BEEN
01:24:58.130 --> 01:25:01.040
MINISTERED TO, TAUGHT TO?
01:25:01.220 --> 01:25:04.220
- LEON: YEAH, IF THEY JUST
01:25:04.220 --> 01:25:05.120
TUNED IN, AND YOU HEARD ME MAKE
01:25:05.120 --> 01:25:06.040
STATEMENTS THAT I HAVEN'T
01:25:06.040 --> 01:25:07.090
QUALIFIED, I WANNA ENCOURAGE
01:25:07.090 --> 01:25:08.090
YOU TO HEAR THE WHOLE TEACHING
01:25:08.090 --> 01:25:09.060
ON THIS.
01:25:11.270 --> 01:25:14.270
BECAUSE, WE'VE BLASTED SOME OF
01:25:14.270 --> 01:25:15.190
THE THOUGHTS OUT VERY QUICKLY.
01:25:15.190 --> 01:25:16.110
I MEAN, I LOVE THE FIVEFOLD
01:25:16.110 --> 01:25:17.010
MINISTRY.
01:25:17.010 --> 01:25:17.120
THAT'S WHAT GOD'S CALLED ME TO.
01:25:17.120 --> 01:25:18.040
AND, SO, JUST CHECK INTO IT.
01:25:18.040 --> 01:25:19.180
MAKE SURE THAT YOU EMBRACE AND
01:25:19.180 --> 01:25:20.130
JUST KEEP MOVING.
01:25:20.130 --> 01:25:22.250
GOD WANTS TO USE PEOPLE IN A
01:25:22.250 --> 01:25:23.190
STUNNING WAY.
01:25:23.190 --> 01:25:25.100
THIS IS THE NEXT MOVE.
01:25:25.100 --> 01:25:26.260
ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS
01:25:26.260 --> 01:25:28.010
WE'RE GONNA SEE TOUCH THE
01:25:28.010 --> 01:25:29.270
PLANET IS SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY.
01:25:29.270 --> 01:25:30.190
IT'S WHO JESUS WAS.
01:25:30.190 --> 01:25:31.230
IT'S WHO HOLY SPIRIT IS.
01:25:31.230 --> 01:25:33.060
- LAURIE: THAT'S GOOD.
01:25:33.060 --> 01:25:35.090
- MATT: WHEN I THINK OF LEON
01:25:35.090 --> 01:25:36.000
FONTAINE AND I THINK OF SPIRIT
01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:36.220
CONTEMPORARY, I THINK OF
01:25:36.220 --> 01:25:37.110
COLLEYVILLE, TEXAS BECAUSE I
01:25:37.110 --> 01:25:39.000
MET YOU HERE.
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:40.190
- LEON: THAT'S TRUE.
01:25:40.190 --> 01:25:41.060
- MATT: MY DAD AND I SAT IN A
01:25:41.130 --> 01:25:44.130
ROOM WITH YOU AND GOT TO KNOW--
01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:46.120
AND I REMEMBER HIM SAYING,
01:25:46.120 --> 01:25:47.080
"THIS IS THE NEXT MOVE."
01:25:47.080 --> 01:25:49.040
AND...AMAZING JOB, LEON.
01:25:49.040 --> 01:25:51.060
"SPIRIT CONTEMPORARY."
01:25:51.060 --> 01:25:52.260
WATCH IT ON TBN.
01:25:52.260 --> 01:25:53.240
GET THE BOOK.
01:25:53.240 --> 01:25:54.270
WATCH THE TV SHOW.
01:25:54.270 --> 01:25:57.090
IT IS A MESSAGE FOR OUR
01:25:57.090 --> 01:25:58.000
GENERATION.
01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.150
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
01:26:00.150 --> 01:26:01.030
THANK YOU, LEON.
01:26:01.030 --> 01:26:01.270
- MALE ANNOUNCER: WE'RE SO
01:26:04.200 --> 01:26:05.100
GLAD YOU'VE BEEN WITH US FOR
01:26:05.100 --> 01:26:06.010
"PRAISE THE LORD."
01:26:06.010 --> 01:26:06.240
TBN HAS A WORLDWIDE MINISTRY.
01:26:06.240 --> 01:26:08.190
WE NEED YOUR LOVE GIFTS, LARGE
01:26:08.190 --> 01:26:09.270
OR SMALL, TO HELP KEEP THE
01:26:09.270 --> 01:26:12.060
GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST GOING
01:26:12.060 --> 01:26:13.200
AROUND THE WORLD.
01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:14.110
IF YOU HAVEN'T ASKED CHRIST
01:26:21.230 --> 01:26:22.260
INTO YOUR LIFE, CALL OUR PRAYER
01:26:22.260 --> 01:26:24.060
PARTNER NOW AND PRAY TO RECEIVE
01:26:24.060 --> 01:26:25.270
JESUS AS SAVIOR AND LORD.
01:26:25.280 --> 01:26:28.280
NOW, UNTIL NEXT TIME, REMEMBER
01:26:28.280 --> 01:26:30.100
PRAISE...
01:26:38.020 --> 01:26:41.020
PRAISE THE LORD!
01:26:42.250 --> 01:26:45.250
- MALE ANNOUNCER: THIS PROGRAM
01:26:51.040 --> 01:26:54.040
HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU THROUGH
01:26:54.040 --> 01:26:54.280
THE PRAYERS AND CONTRIBUTIONS
01:26:54.280 --> 01:26:55.210
OF OUR FAITHFUL PARTNERS
01:26:55.210 --> 01:26:56.110
THROUGHOUT NORTH AMERICA AND
01:26:56.110 --> 01:26:57.030

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