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September 24, 2019
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Kenneth Copeland

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If You Can See It, You Can Change It And Win

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  • Bible get into you, you will have a supernatural life.
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  • (Singing) I know my God has made the way for me.
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  • I know my God has made the way for me.
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  • ANNOUNCER: Today Kenneth Copeland welcomes guest, Marilyn
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  • Hickey, to the Believer's Voice of Victory. Learn of her
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  • miraculous Journey of faith into a powerful
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  • international ministry. If you can see it
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  • by faith, you can change it and win.
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  • KENNETH: Hello everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
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  • Voice of Victory broadcast. Let's have a word of prayer
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  • and we get right into today's lesson. Father, thank
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  • you so much. We praise you and we honor you
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  • today, and we call upon the mighty one that lives within us,
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  • or the greater one. Greater is he that's in us than he that's
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  • in the world. We give you praise and thanksgiving today, sir. In
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  • the name of Jesus, we declare the perfect will of God be
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  • carried out on this broadcast today. In Jesus' name, amen.
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  • Join me again today in welcoming Marilyn Hickey to this
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  • broadcast. Excuse me. MARILYN: Thank you. KENNETH: Isn't she
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  • absolutely wonderful? Glory to God. Marilyn, I noticed in our
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  • notes this scripture in 2nd Corinthians chapter 4, 18th
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  • verse. Oh, excuse me. This is verse 17, "For our light
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  • affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far
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  • more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, but only ..."
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  • That doesn't work, "Unless we look not at the things which are
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  • seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things
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  • which are seen are temporal," or they're temporary and subject to
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  • change. "But the things which are not seen are eternal."
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  • I noticed this from your notes. If we can see it, we
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  • can change it. MARILYN: We can do it, yeah. KENNETH: Yeah. If
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  • we can see it, we can change it, praise God, without faith and
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  • the glory of God. MARILYN: Right. Without that, you can't.
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  • KENNETH: No, uh-uh. MARILYN: You try to do it yourself, you bomb.
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  • KENNETH: Yeah. Now we're talking about Marilyn's new book, It's
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  • Not Over Till You Win. I remember the great Yankee
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  • catcher Yogi Berra, "It ain't over till it's over." MARILYN:
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  • Yeah. KENNETH: He said things like, "If you come to a fork in
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  • the road, take it." When you come up with something that is
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  • impossible, change it. MARILYN: Right. KENNETH: They told you
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  • you would never have children. MARILYN: Right. KENNETH: I want
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  • to hear that story. I want to know how ... I want to know how
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  • Susan actually came into this world. MARILYN: Sarah. KENNETH:
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  • Sarah, excuse me. MARILYN: My Sarah. KENNETH: Yeah, Sarah.
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  • Excuse me. MARILYN: Well, actually we wanted children, and
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  • so we thought probably within the second or third year we
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  • would have a child, and I didn't. Then we had prayer,
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  • nothing seemed to happen, and William Branham spoke at a Voice
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  • of Healing conference and we- KENNETH: Now, talk a minute
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  • about- MARILYN: About him. KENNETH: About William Branham,
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  • because most of the younger generation don't know anything
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  • about him. MARILYN: Yeah. He was definitely a prophet, but he had
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  • the most unusual gifting I have ever seen of a knowing, like a
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  • word of knowledge or a word of wisdom. We had had my aunt and
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  • uncle come up from Dalhart, Texas to his meeting in Denver,
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  • because they had a granddaughter who had never walked and they
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  • said she never would. They came up to the meeting, and 5.000
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  • people are there. He comes out. He's just a little, small man,
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  • not very pretentious, and he just stands there and he said,
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  • "The angel of the Lord will come." I'm thinking, "Oh sure."
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  • I'm just being doubtful. You could feel it when the angel
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  • came. KENNETH: My, my, Marilyn. MARILYN: He looked out into the
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  • audience and he ministered to different people, but he
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  • ministered to my aunt and uncle from Dalhart and he said, "You
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  • never told him what you had. He told you." He said, "You have a
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  • granddaughter who's never walked, and when you go home,
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  • she'll be walking." Well, my aunt and uncle were so excited,
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  • they jumped in the car and drove to Dalhart, 440-some miles, and
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  • Jerry was walking. CONGREGATION: Hallelujah. Glory! KENNETH:
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  • Glory to God. My, my. MARILYN: Yeah. Then in this same meeting,
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  • he calls me out and said, "You're not from here. You're
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  • from a wooded area. You're from Denver, Colorado." Now this is a
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  • very unusual experience that I'm going to share here with you,
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  • but it was like a wheel within a wheel circling. I could hear it.
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  • This wheel went whoosh, whoosh, and it frightened me. I thought,
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  • "That's the presence of God between us. If I step into that,
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  • I'll die." He said to me, "You're not from here. You're
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  • from a wooded area. You're from Denver, Colorado. You can't have
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  • a baby. Go home and receive your baby," and the wheel within a
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  • wheel came into my feet. KENNETH: Oh, Marilyn. MARILYN:
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  • Yeah. I really had a supernatural life. We went home
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  • thinking, "Oh, in a year we'll have a baby." We didn't. 10
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  • years. I went to a doctor. He said, "It's impossible for you
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  • to have a baby." After 10 years, I began to have some changes, so
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  • I went to a doctor and he said, "Well, you're just going through
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  • the change of life. It's impossible for you to have a
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  • baby." Well, I went home with some changes, and that was
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  • Sarah. That was Sarah. KENNETH: Little Sarah. MARILYN: Yeah,
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  • that was Sarah. KENNETH: My, my, my. MARILYN: See, I think we get
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  • into the Word, the power of the Holy Spirit, we enter into a
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  • supernatural life. I'm no big name of any kind, born in
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  • Dalhart, Texas, lived in a little three room house that my
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  • father built in the dust bowl. I remember the dust bowl, all
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  • those things. But when you get into the Word- KENNETH: It
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  • changes everything. MARILYN: If you, we'll get into your Bible
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  • daily and let your Bible get into you, you will have a
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  • supernatural life. CONGREGATION: Amen. That's true. MARILYN: I
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  • speak that to you. KENNETH: Absolutely. MARILYN: You will.
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  • KENNETH: Absolutely. CONGREGATION: That's true.
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  • KENNETH: That brings up the faithfulness of God number one.
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  • MARILYN: Yes, yes. It does. KENNETH: The faithfulness of the
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  • Word, and that time itself doesn't enter into this
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  • equation. MARILYN: Nope. KENNETH: You can't quit now.
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  • MARILYN: No. No, that's big. KENNETH: You cannot quit.
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  • MARILYN: That's big. KENNETH: You must not quit. Once you have
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  • the Word on it and once it's been ministered to you, don't
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  • you ever quit. I don't care. I don't care what the devil does.
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  • Praise God. You don't ever quit. MARILYN: Nope. KENNETH: You just
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  • stay with the Word. You get get tired and you think, "When is
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  • this ever going to come to pass?" Shut that up. What
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  • difference does it make to you? Come on. You have to be hard on
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  • yourself. MARILYN: You do. KENNETH: If this was easy,
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  • everybody'd be doing it. CONGREGATION: That's right.
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  • MARILYN: Yep. KENNETH: But I'm telling you, the victory is
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  • worth every price you have to pay. CONGREGATION: Hallelujah.
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  • MARILYN: It is. It is. KENNETH: That one woman along with you
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  • has helped change the face of this planet. Praise God.
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  • MARILYN: We don't give up till we win. KENNETH: No. MARILYN:
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  • But I think, and you teach it so well, speaking the Word every
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  • day, every day. Sometimes you wake up, you feel as spiritual
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  • as a mouse, but you speak the promises. KENNETH: Yes. MARILYN:
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  • I'll tell you a little thing I do. I say in the morning, "Good
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  • morning, Father. Good morning, Jesus. Good morning, Holy
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  • Spirit. This is your beloved Marilyn," because over 60 times
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  • in the New Testament, he calls me beloved. KENNETH: Yes, that's
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  • right. MARILYN: Then I speak the promises that go with the
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  • problems. Now, I do it at night too, so I say, I go to bed,
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  • "Good night, Father. Good night, Jesus. Good night, Holy Spirit.
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  • This is your beloved Marilyn. Thank you for sweet sleep."
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  • KENNETH: Yes. MARILYN: Because I travel all over the world in
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  • crazy times and thing, and look how healthy I am. I'm 88 years
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  • old. Come on. KENNETH: Hallelujah. MARILYN: And doing
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  • more now than in my 40s. KENNETH: Well, you have to learn
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  • to sleep by faith. You have to learn- MARILYN: Right. KENNETH:
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  • Particularly when you're, like you're saying, you're traveling
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  • all over the place. You're in a different place all the time.
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  • Talking about when the apostle Peter was talking about the
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  • light shining in a dark place. Well, it only takes a little bit
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  • of light to orient yourself. We had gone from one hotel to the
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  • other, and when I got up ... This was the second hotel, and
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  • in the other one, the restroom was over here. MARILYN: Oh, no.
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  • KENNETH: In this one, it was someplace else. MARILYN: Oh, no.
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  • KENNETH: I got up and just walked slam into the wall. Then,
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  • I didn't know where on this earth I was. I'm looking around,
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  • and then I saw the light coming under the door that went out
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  • into the hall and I thought, "Oh, yeah." KENNETH: That's what
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  • the Word does. It'll reorient you. It'll bring you back to
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  • that place where you don't care how tired you think you are, or
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  • where you think you should be and you're not. That is
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  • immaterial. Once you got the Word- MARILYN: Oh, that's so
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  • good. KENNETH: You don't believe anything. MARILYN: So good, so
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  • good! KENNETH: You don't say anything else. You get up
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  • talking this, just like she's talking about. You go to bed
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  • talking this. Just like Gloria and I still, I mean just last
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  • night we go to bed with Brother Hagin in the phone. MARILYN:
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  • That's good. KENNETH: He's been in glory since 2003, and he's
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  • still teaching us. Glory to God. Who would've ever thought you'd
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  • had a phone full of Brother Hagin? Marilyn, I want to tell
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  • you something funny. MARILYN: Okay. KENNETH: With this
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  • particular one, it was a message that he had preached and he
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  • talked about when his son-in-law buddy had gone home to be with
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  • the Lord. MARILYN: Yeah. KENNETH: Somebody told me about
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  • that and I'd never heard him talk about that and I wanted to
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  • hear it. I got my iPad and set the iPad up on a little stand
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  • there between the two of us, so we watched that whole service.
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  • Just as we got right to the end of it and I leaned over there to
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  • kiss her good night, she said, "Not in front of Brother Hagin!"
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  • MARILYN: Oh, dear. That's hilarious. KENNETH: That's
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  • Gloria, you know. But hey, this is what the Victory Network is
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  • all about, total immersion, total immersion in this book,
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  • total immersion. MARILYN: Yes, good. KENNETH: Because faith
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  • cometh by hearing and hearing and hearing and hearing and
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  • hearing and hearing and hearing, and it needs to be coming out
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  • your mouth, and it needs to be coming out ... You need to be
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  • hearing it preached. You need to be living it, praise God, and
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  • you don't ever change. You be like Jesus. You change not,
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  • glory to God. Amen, unless he says to. CONGREGATION: Right.
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  • Right. KENNETH: Amen. MARILYN: Amen. Amen. KENNETH: You can
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  • change things. MARILYN: You can. You can speak to mountains.
  • 00:12:49.220 --> 00:12:53.000
  • KENNETH: Who was the radio preacher? I think it was Doctor
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  • Webber, way, way back, and he said, "Jesus is on the throne
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  • and prayer changes things." I'll never forget it. This and back
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  • Kenneth BC. I mean, I'll never forget here hearing Doctor
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  • Webber, "Jesus is on the throne and prayer changes things."
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  • Glory to God. MARILYN: I have to tell you something hilarious
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  • right here. You know, I go to Pakistan. I go to these
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  • different countries, so I have jet lag. I'm supposed to get up
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  • and speak to maybe a million people. Sometimes we have a
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  • million people in a meeting, and I don't feel spiritual. I just
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  • have jet lag. I said to the Lord, "Oh, I have jet lag. I
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  • don't feel spiritual." He said, "I don't." KENNETH: Oh, that's
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  • good. MARILYN: That was so helpful to me. You get where you
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  • learn how to live in what he says instead of what you see or
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  • what you feel. You're tired. But there's big revival going on in
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  • the Mid East, big revival. KENNETH: Let's talk about that.
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  • Marilyn. MARILYN: Especially- KENNETH: I'm so interested in
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  • that. MARILYN: In Egypt. Especially in Egypt. We go into
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  • Egypt, we're going to go out into some of the other parts and
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  • have healing meetings where people don't go. Sometimes
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  • they're considered dangerous. I really don't think they are.
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  • Seriously, I don't. We get into this nice hotel in Cairo. We
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  • stay at a nice hotel. We want clean water, clean food. These
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  • two girls are checking us in, the concierge, and they said,
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  • "You're Christians?" Wanda was with me, my assistant, and we
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  • said, "Yes." They said, "Could you tell us how to get saved? We
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  • don't want to go to hell." KENNETH: Yeah! MARILYN: "Am I
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  • hearing this?" That's what's going on in the Mid East. It's
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  • big. You don't hear it on the news, but it's- KENNETH: That
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  • wouldn't have happened without you being there. You had to-
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  • MARILYN: Well I was I'm sure a part of it. KENNETH: You have to
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  • be where God wanted you to be for that woman. MARILYN: Yeah.
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  • You know, I go way back to Egypt when Wally and I were just doing
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  • sightseeing. We're there on a vacation. He loves antiquities,
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  • so we're looking at the antiquities and I said, "You
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  • know, I'd like to speak someplace here." He said, "Well,
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  • we don't know anybody." I said, "Well, there's an Anglican
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  • church over here. I'm going to go over and ask." We went, and
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  • the poor guy said, "Yes. Yeah, you can speak." I got up to
  • 00:15:53.070 --> 00:15:59.020
  • speak, and I had a word of knowledge about somebody in the
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  • church. There were maybe 800 or 900 people sitting there in that
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  • cathedral like thing. I spoke to this woman, Orpha. Now she's the
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  • assistant to the president. CONGREGATION: wow.! MARILYN: I
  • 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.070
  • have her picture with me. KENNETH: Marilyn, if that's not
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  • a divine destiny on her. MARILYN: Oh, God. I know, I
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  • know. He is open. The new president is quite open, and I
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  • don't think you can go any place in Egypt and not have a big
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  • healing meeting. If you put out the sign, we're going to have a
  • 00:16:34.010 --> 00:16:37.270
  • healing meeting, they'll jam it out. KENNETH: Well, now you
  • 00:16:37.280 --> 00:16:40.060
  • know, you go back several years, before Brother Hagin departed,
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  • and there was an Egyptian general, his wife had cancer.
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  • They ask if they could bring her to Rhema. MARILYN: I didn't hear
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  • that. KENNETH: They're in Tulsa, you know. MARILYN: Yeah.
  • 00:17:09.050 --> 00:17:11.260
  • KENNETH: To bring her, and Brother Hagin said, "Well, I'll
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  • tell you what. Instead of bringing her to healing school,
  • 00:17:16.030 --> 00:17:18.290
  • bring her to prayer school." All of the students in there
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  • gathered up around her. She had cancer. God healed her. I mean
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  • just totally, absolutely ... She was fourth stage cancer if I
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  • remember correctly. KENNETH: Now wait a minute. Let me back up. I
  • 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:39.070
  • left something very important out. Someone had given her his
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  • little booklet, God's Medicine, and she got in that and she just
  • 00:17:45.260 --> 00:17:53.050
  • studied it,, and studied it and studied it. She spoke English
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  • and so did the person that gave her that. Well, she just kept
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  • studying that and studying that. She said, "I need to go. I need
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  • to go here," so he put her in his airplane and flew her to
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  • Tulsa. KENNETH: Well, I mean this guy is still a Muslim, but
  • 00:18:09.090 --> 00:18:14.020
  • he said, "I'm going to have these books printed. May I have
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  • the right to have these translated and have them
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  • printed?" He said, "They need to go out everywhere." He
  • 00:18:20.150 --> 00:18:22.220
  • eventually, of course, got saved. CONGREGATION: Praise the
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  • Lord. KENNETH: But he did all of that before he accepted Jesus as
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  • Lord, because his wife got healed. MARILYN: Exactly.
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  • KENNETH: Glory to God. MARILYN: See, healing is the dinner bell.
  • 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:34.030
  • KENNETH: It always has been. MARILYN: It is the dinner bell.
  • 00:18:34.040 --> 00:18:36.230
  • KENNETH: It is. MARILYN: But right now if you were to go to
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  • Egypt today and say, "Okay, I'm going to have a meeting in a
  • 00:18:38.280 --> 00:18:42.170
  • stadium in Cairo," they would come out. They don't know your
  • 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:46.040
  • name, but they would come out to be healed, and then they get
  • 00:18:46.050 --> 00:18:49.270
  • saved. KENNETH: That's most amazing. MARILYN: I know it. I
  • 00:18:49.280 --> 00:18:53.140
  • don't think you could go any place in Egypt and not have a
  • 00:18:53.150 --> 00:18:56.090
  • big healing meeting. You just can't hold them all. You can't
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  • get them all in. We had 20.000. They jammed it out and we had to
  • 00:19:00.020 --> 00:19:06.030
  • turn people away. We had them outside. We had every place.
  • 00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:09.140
  • Then we did a children's meeting during our meeting. I mean, we
  • 00:19:09.150 --> 00:19:13.110
  • did everything to shake the trees. When you're there, you
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  • just everything you can do, and you leave ... I always leave
  • 00:19:17.140 --> 00:19:21.130
  • literature in their language, because books work while you
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  • sleep. KENNETH: Oh, that's right. MARILYN: They work while
  • 00:19:24.210 --> 00:19:27.060
  • you sleep. KENNETH: Absolutely. MARILYN: Yeah. KENNETH: Well
  • 00:19:27.070 --> 00:19:28.140
  • now, that same thing happened in Pakistan, didn't it? MARILYN:
  • 00:19:28.150 --> 00:19:30.210
  • Oh, Pakistan is big for me. The first time I went to Pakistan
  • 00:19:30.220 --> 00:19:37.050
  • was '89. I think I wrote you and told you I was going to go and
  • 00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:41.030
  • asked you to pray. I think you thought- KENNETH: And we did.
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  • MARILYN: Yeah. I went and people said, "You know, they hate
  • 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:47.100
  • women. They hate Christians. They're going to kill you," but
  • 00:19:47.110 --> 00:19:50.290
  • God said to me to go, so I go. I get in touch with some
  • 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.040
  • Christians, and they said, "We don't want to advertise the
  • 00:19:54.050 --> 00:19:57.190
  • meeting because they'll kill us." I thought, "You know, I'm
  • 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:02.030
  • going to advertise the meeting." I said, "Well, let's just pray
  • 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:06.090
  • about it before you say no to me." We prayed, and I don't have
  • 00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:11.060
  • a lot of vision, but I saw an angel whose head went up above
  • 00:20:11.070 --> 00:20:15.060
  • the ceiling of the hotel. KENNETH: Yeah. MARILYN: They
  • 00:20:15.070 --> 00:20:18.060
  • said, okay. They said, "Well, we probably won't have anybody,
  • 00:20:18.070 --> 00:20:21.220
  • because people don't come to hear women and Christians," but
  • 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:28.180
  • we had 4.000 the first night, and we had people healed. By the
  • 00:20:28.190 --> 00:20:33.130
  • fourth night, we had over 20.000 people. KENNETH: Glory to God.
  • 00:20:33.140 --> 00:20:37.130
  • MARILYN: People saved, people healed. A little boy, not in
  • 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:40.250
  • that meeting, but in another meeting, got a new eye. I mean,
  • 00:20:40.260 --> 00:20:43.190
  • it's like, Kenneth, it's like God bends over to do things.
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  • KENNETH: Don't you know. Oh, my, my. MARILYN: Yeah, so that hooks
  • 00:20:48.030 --> 00:20:50.250
  • me. That hooked me. You know, I've been going, and I was
  • 00:20:50.260 --> 00:20:56.080
  • prophesied to by the Osborns. Do you remember Daisy and T.L.?
  • 00:20:56.090 --> 00:21:00.180
  • KENNETH: Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. MARILYN: Daisy met
  • 00:21:00.190 --> 00:21:02.240
  • me. I was on radio, and she said ... I'd just met her. She said,
  • 00:21:02.250 --> 00:21:06.100
  • "You're going to go to leaders of nations and you'll be a world
  • 00:21:06.110 --> 00:21:10.140
  • evangelist." I thought ... I'll tell you what I thought. Daisy
  • 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:13.120
  • and crazy rhyme. KENNETH: I'm telling you, if Daisy said it,
  • 00:21:13.130 --> 00:21:22.140
  • it came to pass. MARILYN: Oh yeah, oh yeah. KENNETH: Yeah.
  • 00:21:22.150 --> 00:21:25.100
  • MARILYN: You know, again, I want to encourage people, it's a
  • 00:21:25.110 --> 00:21:28.180
  • process. You don't jump from here to there. You didn't jump
  • 00:21:28.190 --> 00:21:33.110
  • to a worldwide ministry. KENNETH: No, no. No. MARILYN:
  • 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:35.200
  • You started with process. I remember how you started.
  • 00:21:35.210 --> 00:21:38.260
  • KENNETH: You were talking about the little house. I was six
  • 00:21:38.270 --> 00:21:42.200
  • weeks old when we left Lubbock and went to Abilene, and we were
  • 00:21:42.210 --> 00:21:47.110
  • out there year before last, so we drove by and looked at that
  • 00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:56.070
  • little house. Oh, my goodness. It was so tiny. MARILYN: Yeah.
  • 00:21:56.080 --> 00:22:00.240
  • KENNETH: It was a little four room house. I looked at that
  • 00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:06.070
  • house and I thought, "Did I ever live in a house that small?" It
  • 00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:11.290
  • was so tiny. Then we moved from there to just a few blocks away,
  • 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:18.160
  • and it was a little bit bigger. It was five rooms. Whoa, it was
  • 00:22:18.170 --> 00:22:22.110
  • really a nice place. MARILYN: Yeah, I know. KENNETH: But you
  • 00:22:22.120 --> 00:22:27.060
  • start where you are. MARILYN: Right. KENNETH: I was watching
  • 00:22:27.070 --> 00:22:31.200
  • Gloria and Pastor George on today's broadcast today while I
  • 00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:37.070
  • was on the treadmill earlier this morning, and Gloria kept
  • 00:22:37.080 --> 00:22:41.260
  • saying that, "You have to start where you are." MARILYN: Right.
  • 00:22:41.270 --> 00:22:45.190
  • KENNETH: Then when she and I finally obeyed God, when I
  • 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.170
  • finally obeyed God and went to ORU, that little house, it was
  • 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:56.130
  • one of those little project houses down close to the river.
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  • MARILYN: I know that area, yeah. KENNETH: They condemned all of
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  • them up to my house. But when I drove Brother Roberts to the
  • 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:14.030
  • first partner service that I took him and wanted to be a
  • 00:23:14.040 --> 00:23:19.090
  • partner so badly, I went home and told Gloria, I said, "We're
  • 00:23:19.100 --> 00:23:23.030
  • a partner with the Oral Roberts for $10 a month," her feathers
  • 00:23:23.040 --> 00:23:26.070
  • fell. She said, "Where are we ever going to get $10 a
  • 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:30.080
  • month?" MARILYN: Yep. KENNETH: I said, "Gloria!" I preached the
  • 00:23:30.090 --> 00:23:34.260
  • message to her, and then she got excited about it. We're
  • 00:23:34.270 --> 00:23:37.180
  • out of time. We'll be back in just a moment. Hey, Jeremy.
  • 00:23:37.190 --> 00:23:42.130
  • JEREMY: Yes sir. Thank you. You know, it's
  • 00:23:48.020 --> 00:23:50.020
  • important for you and I to realize that some of God's
  • 00:23:50.030 --> 00:23:52.020
  • promises for Marilyn Hickey took 10 years to manifest,
  • 00:23:52.030 --> 00:23:55.250
  • but the truth is they happened. Now, why is that? Because
  • 00:23:55.260 --> 00:23:59.120
  • God is faithful and she was faithful to the Word and she
  • 00:23:59.130 --> 00:24:02.280
  • did not quit. We also heard how her obedience to
  • 00:24:02.290 --> 00:24:06.090
  • witness and share Jesus set off this massive chain reaction of
  • 00:24:06.100 --> 00:24:11.020
  • God's plan and impacted world events. Marilyn Hickey said when
  • 00:24:11.030 --> 00:24:14.250
  • you let the Bible in, you will have a supernatural life. Stay
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  • with the Word. Why? Because it's not over until you win.
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  • ANNOUNCER: What would life look like if you approached every
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  • situation full of faith declaring, "With God, it's Not
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  • Not Over Till You Win, Marilyn Hickey, a sought-after
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  • evangelist and minister to heads of state around
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  • the world, shares her journey of going from a small
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  • town, lukewarm Christian to a passionate and
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  • internationally known preacher of the gospel of Jesus.
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  • Be inspired to believe God to accomplish
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  • Hickey shares how life with God is an adventure. Wherever you
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  • are in your walk of faith, take these strategic lessons from her
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  • life so you can walk in greater success and anointing in yours.
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  • Discover how with God you win and see your destiny fulfilled.
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  • Win, will be released early November. So, you can pre-order
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  • JEREMY: Marilyn Hickey's new book, It's Not Over Until You
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  • Win, it's coming out early November. Now, listen. For the
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  • first time, Marilyn shares her remarkable story as she recounts
  • 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:03.060
  • all the miracles and the supernatural events of her
  • 00:26:03.070 --> 00:26:06.100
  • amazing journey of faith. It was into some of the most dangerous
  • 00:26:06.110 --> 00:26:09.060
  • and darkest parts of the world, and she had a message to share
  • 00:26:09.070 --> 00:26:13.030
  • with the world. The message was simple, the love of Jesus
  • 00:26:13.040 --> 00:26:16.120
  • Christ. People heard it, people were saved, people were healed
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  • by the thousands. This is the kind of book that changes
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  • your heart. What it does is it broadens your insight and raises
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  • your expectation of what God can do in you, what God can do in
  • 00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:32.150
  • your life and through your life. We invite you to pre-order your
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  • points are in there, and we invite you to use them, study
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  • along with the broadcast, then go back and review them again.
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  • Now, tomorrow, you don't want to miss this, because
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  • Brother Copeland and Marilyn Hickey talk about God's heart
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  • for the nations and share stories of what God did that
  • 00:27:04.260 --> 00:27:08.250
  • will amaze you. You don't want to miss it. Thanks for watching
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  • today. We'll see you again tomorrow. Until then, this is
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  • Jeremy Pearsons reminding you that Jesus is Lord.
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