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September 26, 2019
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Persecution

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  • - SO ALL THE STUDIES SHOW THAT THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
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  • IS THE MOST PERSECUTED FAITH ON THE EARTH TODAY.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT WESTMINSTER ABBEY
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  • ON THIS WESTERN FACADE, THEY HAD NICHES FOR STATUES,
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  • BUT THEY DIDN'T EVER ADD ANY STATUES.
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  • LAST CENTURY, THEY RENOVATED ALL OF THE ABBEY,
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  • AND ON THIS WESTERN FACADE DECIDED TO ADD STATUES.
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  • AT THE TOP, THERE ARE THOSE OF THE CONVENTIONAL SAINTS,
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  • SIX OF THEM.
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  • EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR, THERE ARE ALLEGORICAL STATUES
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  • OF TRUTH, JUSTICE, MERCY, AND PEACE.
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  • BUT ACROSS THE TOP OF THE DOOR, THERE ARE 10 FIGURES.
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  • THEY ARE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES
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  • IN THE 20TH CENTURY FOR THE CAUSE OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
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  • IT'S A REMINDER THAT WHEREVER THE GOSPEL HAS BEING TAKEN
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  • PEOPLE HAVE PAID FOR IT WITH THEIR LIVES.
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  • IT'S AN INTERESTING GATHERING OF STATUES.
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  • THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE FAMOUS AND ANONYMOUS.
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  • THERE ARE MEN AND WOMEN.
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  • THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM EVERY PART OF THE WORLD.
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  • IN THE 20TH CENTURY, POTENTIALLY MORE PEOPLE
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  • LOST THEIR LIVES THAN ANY TIME BEFORE THAT
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  • FOR THE MESSAGE OF JESUS.
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  • IT TELLS US THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN THE MESSAGE OF JESUS
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  • TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH,
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  • PEOPLE HAVE PAID FOR IT WITH THEIR LIVES.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - SO THEN WHAT FORM DID THE PERSECUTION TAKE?
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  • - WELL, IT DEPENDED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
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  • SOMETIMES IT WAS VERY VIOLENT.
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  • THEY LOST THEIR LIVES.
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  • BUT SOMETIMES IT WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT GO TO THE SHOPS.
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  • THEY WOULDN'T BUY THEIR GOODS.
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  • OR THE FAMILY WOULD OSTRACIZE THEM.
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  • WELL, IN THAT TIME YOU REALLY RELIED ON YOUR NEIGHBORS
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  • AND YOUR FAMILY, SO TO BE OSTRACIZED WAS A BIG DEAL.
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  • SO THE PERSECUTION VARIED,
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  • BUT FOR THOSE WHO CLAIMED CHRIST AS MESSIAH, AS THEIR LORD,
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  • THERE WAS USUALLY A COST.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - WHY WOULD PEOPLE PERSECUTE THEM?
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  • WHY WOULD THE ROMAN EMPIRE BE INTERESTED?
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  • - THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY.
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  • CHRISTIANS WERE JUST CAPITAL O OTHER.
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  • THEY LOOKED WEIRD, THEY LOOKED STRANGE,
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  • AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT SUBVERSIVE.
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  • AND THE ROMANS MAY NOT HAVE ALWAYS FULLY UNDERSTOOD
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  • WHY THEY PERSECUTED THEM.
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  • I MEAN, IF YOU READ THE CORRESPONDENCE
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  • BETWEEN GOVERNOR PLINY OF BITHYNIA,
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  • WHO'S GOT PEOPLE BEING ACCUSED OF CHRISTIANS,
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  • AND YOU GET SOME PEOPLE SAY, LOOK,
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  • I USED TO BE A CHRISTIAN, BUT I GAVE IT UP.
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  • AND THEN YOU GET OTHERS SAY, YOU DAMN RIGHT
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  • I'M A CHRISTIAN AND I'M PROUD OF IT.
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  • AND HE'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WHAT I DO WITH THESE PEOPLE?
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  • AND HE WRITES TO THE EMPEROR.
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  • AND PLINY'S DESCRIBING THEM.
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  • HE SAYS AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, ALL THESE PEOPLE DO
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  • IS KIND OF MEET, PRAY, WORSHIP,
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  • AND PROMISE NOT TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
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  • BUT THEY REFUSE TO WORSHIP OUR GODS.
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  • AND IF THEY'RE GUILTY, BASICALLY,
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  • ON THE SPOT, YOU CAN KILL EM.
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  • MERELY BEING FOUND TO BE A PROFESSING CHRISTIAN
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  • WAS A CAPITAL OFFENSE.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - IN THE EARLY 2ND CENTURY, PLINY AND HIS LETTER
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  • TO THE EMPEROR, THRAJAN, BOOK 10, LETTER 96,
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  • PLINY SAYS TO THE EMPEROR, LOOK, I FOUND THESE CHRISTIANS.
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  • I HAVEN'T FOUND THEM DOING ANYTHING WRONG PER SE,
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  • BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ACCUSED TO ME SO I FOLLOW UP,
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  • AND I SAY, OKAY, WELL, I'LL LET YOU GO
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  • IF YOU JUST OFFER SOME INCENSE TO THE IMAGE OF THE EMPEROR.
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  • SEEMS LIKE A SMALL THING TO HIM,
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  • JUST TO SHOW YOU'RE REALLY LOYAL TO ROME.
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  • THEY REFUSED TO DO IT AND SO I EXECUTE THEM.
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  • - WHY WAS OFFERING A PINCH OF INCENSE
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  • A PROBLEM FOR A CHRISTIAN?
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  • - BECAUSE CHRISTIANS, LIKE JEWS, RECOGNIZE THERE WAS ONLY
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  • ONE TRUE GOD, AND ONLY ONE GOD IS WORTHY OF OUR WORSHIP.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - IT IS ABOUT CRISIS OF ULTIMATE ALLEGIANCE
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  • SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF INDIA,
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  • WHICH IS A RIGHT WING HINDU GOVERNMENT,
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  • IS MAKING IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR CHRISTIANS
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  • BECAUSE THEY ARE WANTING TO SAY YOUR ULTIMATE ALLEGIANCE
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  • MUST BE TO A STATE THAT THEY WANT TO DEFINE AS HINDU,
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  • ALTHOUGH, STRICTLY SPEAKING, INDIA IS A SECULAR STATE.
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  • AND ONE OF THE IRONIES THAT CHRISTIANS IN THE WEST
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  • DON'T ALWAYS REALIZE IS THAT IN MANY WAYS
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  • A SECULAR STATE IS A VERY GOOD THING.
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  • IF YOU ARE IN A SITUATION OF BEING A RELIGIOUS MINORITY
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  • IN INDIA, FOR EXAMPLE, OR IN A STATE OF PARITY
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  • AND IN NIGERIA WHERE YOU HAVE CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM
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  • ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE, IT'S A VERY GOOD THING
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  • IF YOUR STATE SAYS WE ARE A SECULAR STATE
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  • BECAUSE IT CAN THEN HOLD THE RING IMPARTIALLY
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  • BETWEEN THESE DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS GROUPS.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - PART OF WHAT OUR CALL IS AND PART OF WHAT THAT CALL
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  • THAT LEADS TO PERSECUTION IS, IS WE HAVE A FAITH
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  • THAT IS BY IT'S VERY NATURE A MISSIONARY FAITH.
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  • WHEREAS YOU CAN GO THERE ARE FAITHS AROUND THE WORLD
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  • THAT ARE NOT, SO BASICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE,
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  • IN A LOT OF COUNTRIES IT IS FINE, LET'S LOOK AT
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  • MUSLIM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES.
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  • IN MOST OF THOSE PLACES IT'S FINE TO BE A CHRISTIAN,
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  • BUT YOU HAVE A SECOND CLASS STATUS,
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  • THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT THE CHALLENGE IS
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  • THAT THE CHRISTIAN IS A FOLLOWER OF THE CHRIST
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  • AND THE CHRIST SAID, GO MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS,
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  • SO UPON SHARING THE GOSPEL IN A MUSLIM-MAJORITY NATION
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  • WHERE APOSTASY IS ILLEGAL AND WORTHY OF DEATH,
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  • YOU HAVE THEN ENTERED INTO A CRIME THAT THE LORD OF LORDS
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  • AND THE KING OF KINGS TOLD YOU TO DO,
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  • BUT THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES SAID THAT YOU CAN'T,
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  • AND FROM IT'S EARLIEST TIMES, THE CHRISTIANS SAID
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  • WE MUST OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN, AND IN OBEYING GOD
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  • RATHER THAN MAN, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME
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  • IN MOST MUSLIN-MAJORITY NATIONS, THAT IS SHARING THE GOSPEL.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - IT BECAME SURE THAT WE NEED TO EVANGELIZE IRANIAN PEOPLE
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  • BY DISTRIBUTING BIBLES BECAUSE IN IRAN
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  • YOU CAN'T FIND BIBLES.
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  • AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BIBLE, AND WE JUST CALLED
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  • OUR PASTOR WHO WAS IN LONDON, AND WE ASKED THEM TO SEND
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  • THOUSANDS OF NEW TESTAMENTS TO IRAN.
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  • - WE HAD A PLAN.
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  • THE BOTTOM MAP, IT WAS A BIG MAP, WE PUT IT ON THE WALL,
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  • AND WE DECIDED TO DISTRIBUTE BIBLES FROM THE NORTH OF IRAN
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  • TO THE SOUTH OF IRAN, AND WE HAD TWO BACKPACKS.
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  • EVERY NIGHT, WE WOULD PACK OUR BACKPACKS
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  • WITH ABOUT 114 NEW TESTAMENTS.
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  • THEY WERE SMALL NEW TESTAMENTS, AND WE WOULD JUST WALK.
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  • WE DECIDE WE WOULD DECIDE WHICH AREA WE WOULD GO
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  • AND THEN WITH OUR BACKPACKS, WE WOULD JUST START WALKING
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  • IN THOSE AREAS AND PUT THOSE NEW TESTAMENTS
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  • IN PEOPLE'S MAILBOXES.
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  • - AND HOW MANY DID YOU GIVE OUT?
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  • - A TOTAL 20.000.
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  • - BUT BESIDES THAT, WE HAD TWO HOUSE CHURCHES.
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  • ONE OF THEM WAS AMONG PROSTITUTES AND THE OTHER ONE
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  • AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.
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  • - EVENTUALLY THOUGH, MARZIYEH, YOU WERE ARRESTED.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - I WAS BORN A MUSLIM.
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  • I DEFINITELY KNOW A BIT ABOUT ISLAM.
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  • WHERE THEY ARE IN THE MINORITY, THEY PLAY IT VERY, VERY,
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  • YOU KNOW, THEY PLAY THEIR GUILT VERY WELL.
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  • THEY KIND OF COMPROMISE.
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  • THEY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FLOW WITH THE STREAM.
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  • AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE
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  • AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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  • WHERE THEY ARE LIKE 50/50, THEY FIGHT A LOT.
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  • WHERE THEY ARE 60/70, THEN, OF COURSE,
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  • THEY WANT TO BE IN CONTROL AND SHOUT IT AT INTRUDERS.
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  • SO THE PROBLEM WITH NIGERIA IS THIS 50/50 WHERE THEY NOW
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  • THEREFORE ARE CONTINUALLY FIGHTING EACH OTHER.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - SO I'VE BEEN POSTED NOW TO TRINITY CHAPEL.
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  • IT'S CLOSE TO UNIVERSITY OF JOS.
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  • NOW THAT CHURCH WAS BURNED IN 2008 CRISIS.
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  • THEN BY 2010 WHEN THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO REBUILD
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  • THE CHURCH, IT WAS DESTROYED AGAIN.
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  • SO JUST AFTER MY YEAR IN OCCA,
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  • THAT'S IN OXFORD CENTER FOR CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS,
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  • I HAD THIS WONDERFUL TEAM OF STAFF AND STUDENTS
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  • I WORK WITH, SO WE'RE ABLE TO RAISE SOME DONATIONS
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  • AND BEGIN WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL TENT.
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  • SO, COMING BACK TO NIGERIA, WE ERECTED THIS TENT.
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  • WE CALLED IT THE TENT OF MEETING AND WE HAD THIS
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  • BEAUTIFUL WORSHIP WHEN WE ERECT IT IN THE MIDST
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  • OF THE BURNT BUILDING WAS WHERE WE ERECTED THIS TENT
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  • BUT, UNFORTUNATELY FIRST OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR,
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  • THERE WAS YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO DESTROY THE CHURCH,
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  • SO AGAIN, THIS GROUP OF YOUTHS CAME,
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  • DESTROYED THE FURNISHING, TOOK AWAY THE PA SYSTEM,
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  • THE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM, DESTROYED ALL MUSIC EQUIPMENT
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  • AND TRIED BURNING THE CHURCH BUT BECAUSE IT WAS FIRE PROOF,
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  • IT IS STILL STANDING, SO IT'S BEAUTIFUL THAT
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  • WE ARE STILL WORSHIPING IN THAT BURNT BUILDING.
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  • [SOBER MUSIC]
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  • - WHEN THE ARRESTED US, FIRST THEY TRANSFERRED US
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  • TO THE POLICE STATION.
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  • I REMEMBER THE FIRST DAY WE HAD LONG HOURS
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  • OF INTERROGATION BY OUR FIRST INTERROGATOR,
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  • HE THREATENED US TO PHYSICAL TORTURE.
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  • HE SENT US TO A VERY DARK AND DIRTY CELL IN A BASEMENT
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  • AND TOLD US THAT YOU SHOULD GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION
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  • ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR ACTIVITIES AS CHRISTIANS,
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  • YOUR NETWORK, THE PEOPLE WHO YOU WORK WITH,
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  • AND ESPECIALLY THE NAME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME
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  • TO YOUR HOUSE CHURCHES AND HE THREATENED US.
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  • HE TOLD US THAT WE WILL BEAT YOU UNTIL YOU VOMIT BLOOD.
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  • YOU HAVE TO GIVE US ALL THIS INFORMATION.
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  • IN THAT DETENTION, THEY KEPT US THERE FOR 14 DAYS
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  • BEFORE TRANSFERRING US TO EVIN PRISON.
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  • - EVIN PRION'S NOTORIOUS FOR ARRESTING, RAPING, TORTURING,
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  • AND EXECUTING OF MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE,
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  • AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST DAY THAT WE ENTERED EVIN PRISON,
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  • WE WERE SURPRISED BECAUSE WE COULD SEE THERE ARE
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  • INTELLECTUALS AND RESPECTFUL PEOPLE THERE SUCH AS STUDENTS,
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  • LAWYERS, JOURNALISTS, AND ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE
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  • IN THAT PRISON BECAUSE THEIR OPINION
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  • WAS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
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  • THEY TRANSFERRED US IN EVIN PRISON WITH THE CHARGES
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  • OF APOSTASY, BLASPHEMY, AND PROMOTING CHRISTIANITY.
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  • FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE WERE IN THE PUBLIC WARD
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  • WITH OTHER PRISONERS, BUT AFTER THAT, THEY TRANSFERRED US
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  • TO ANOTHER BUILDING INSIDE EVIN PRISON WHICH IS VERY FAMOUS,
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  • IT'S CALLED 209.
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  • IT'S A SECURITY BUILDING THEY USUALLY TRANSFER
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  • POLITICAL PRISONERS IN THAT BUILDING FOR INTERROGATION,
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  • TORTURING, AND THEY TRANSFERRED US IN THAT BUILDING
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  • FOR 40 DAYS AND ONCE A WEEK WE HAD A VERY HEAVY
  • 00:11:48.150 --> 00:11:52.080
  • INTERROGATION BY TWO INTERROGATORS.
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  • MOST OF THE TIME AS MARYAM MENTIONED, THEY TRIED
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  • TO PUT PRESSURE ON US TO DENY OUR FAITH IN JESUS.
  • 00:11:57.140 --> 00:12:01.080
  • THEY TOLD US IF YOU WANT TO INSIST ON YOUR FAITH,
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  • YOU WOULD FACE EXECUTION BY HANGING.
  • 00:12:04.180 --> 00:12:07.140
  • - YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN A COMFORTABLE CULTURE
  • 00:12:16.110 --> 00:12:18.080
  • IN A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY AND I THINK WHEN I MEET WITH
  • 00:12:18.100 --> 00:12:22.010
  • HOWEVER IN MY TIME WITH THE PERSECUTED CHURCH,
  • 00:12:22.030 --> 00:12:23.280
  • THEY TALK TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL
  • 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.110
  • IS BEING ABLE TO ARTICULATE WHO JESUS IS
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  • AND WHAT HE'S DONE IN YOUR LIFE,
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  • BUT WHEN I LOOK AT MY OWN LIFE,
  • 00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:32.050
  • I FEEL THAT THE RELATIVE SAFETY OF CULTURE,
  • 00:12:32.070 --> 00:12:35.030
  • AND THE STABILITY OF THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE
  • 00:12:35.050 --> 00:12:36.210
  • THAT I'VE GROWN UP IN, WHEN I LOOK BACK IT MAKES IT
  • 00:12:36.230 --> 00:12:39.050
  • MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO SEE WHERE THE HAND OF JESUS
  • 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:41.090
  • HAS BEEN, THE HIGHS AND THE LOWS, WHEREAS
  • 00:12:41.110 --> 00:12:43.070
  • IN THE PERSECUTED CHURCH, THEY CAN SPEAK TO YOU FOR DAYS,
  • 00:12:43.090 --> 00:12:46.100
  • FOR HOURS ABOUT WHAT JESUS IS TO THEM,
  • 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.120
  • WHAT HE'S DONE IN THEIR LIFE, THE TRANSFORMATION HE BRINGS,
  • 00:12:49.140 --> 00:12:51.060
  • WHY HE MATTERS TO YOU.
  • 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:53.170
  • - EVERY DAY, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH FEAR.
  • 00:12:53.190 --> 00:12:55.170
  • EVERY DAY, WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THEM TO COME TAKE US
  • 00:12:55.190 --> 00:12:59.000
  • FOR PHYSICAL TORTURE, FOR MENTAL TORTURE, BECAUSE IN PRISON,
  • 00:12:59.020 --> 00:13:02.210
  • WE WERE WITH MANY POLITICAL PRISONERS AND EVERY DAY
  • 00:13:02.230 --> 00:13:06.150
  • THEY WOULD SHARE WITH US WHAT THE GUARDS DID TO THEM.
  • 00:13:06.170 --> 00:13:10.130
  • OUR BEST FRIEND WHO LATER WAS EXECUTED, SHIRIN ALAM HOLI,
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  • SHE WAS A KURDISH WOMAN,
  • 00:13:14.090 --> 00:13:15.140
  • SHE WAS FIGHTING FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS.
  • 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:17.180
  • SHE WAS ONLY 28 YEARS OLD AND WHEN WE WENT TO THAT PRISON,
  • 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.190
  • SHE SHARED WITH US HOW THE GUARDS TORTURED HER FOR MONTHS.
  • 00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:26.020
  • - OPEN DOORS, DID THEY START THE WORLD WATCH LIST?
  • 00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:28.190
  • - WE DID, SO IN 1993, WE RELEASED THE FIRST
  • 00:13:28.210 --> 00:13:31.230
  • WORLD WATCH LIST.
  • 00:13:31.250 --> 00:13:33.070
  • IT'S AN INDEX RANKING OF THE 50 MOST DIFFICULT COUNTRIES
  • 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:35.280
  • TO FOLLOW JESUS.
  • 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.280
  • - HOW DOES A COUNTRY END UP ON THE TOP OF THAT LIST?
  • 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.060
  • - PERSECUTION IS PARTICULARLY IN WESTERN CONTEXT,
  • 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.280
  • WE OFTEN MARGINALIZE IT ONLY TO ACTS OF VIOLENT PERSECUTION,
  • 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.190
  • AND MORE THAN THAT, I GUESS IN A MORE MICRO SENSE,
  • 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:49.240
  • ONLY ACTS OF MUSLIMS TOWARDS CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:13:49.260 --> 00:13:52.190
  • BUT IT'S FAR BROADER THAN THAT, IN FACT,
  • 00:13:52.210 --> 00:13:54.230
  • WE WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A SCALE.
  • 00:13:54.250 --> 00:13:56.290
  • AT ONE END OF THAT SCALE IS ACTS OF VIOLENT PERSECUTION,
  • 00:13:57.010 --> 00:13:59.250
  • AT THE OTHER END OF THAT IS NON-VIOLENT PERSECUTION
  • 00:13:59.270 --> 00:14:02.220
  • AND SO TO END UP ON THAT LIST, THERE ARE WHAT WE WOULD SAY,
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  • MULTIPLE DRIVERS OF PERSECUTION.
  • 00:14:06.130 --> 00:14:08.220
  • THERE CAN BE TRIBAL ANTAGONISM, COMMUNISM,
  • 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.010
  • DICTATORIAL PARANOIA, VIOLENCE, AND WHAT WE DO IS
  • 00:14:11.030 --> 00:14:15.110
  • WE HAVE A WHOLE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL GO THROUGH,
  • 00:14:15.130 --> 00:14:18.040
  • ANALYZE EACH OF THESE COUNTRIES ON THESE DRIVERS,
  • 00:14:18.060 --> 00:14:21.150
  • GIVE THEM AN INDEX RANKING AND A SCORE BASED OUT OF 100
  • 00:14:21.170 --> 00:14:24.160
  • AND THAT'S HOW YOU SORT OF START TO
  • 00:14:24.180 --> 00:14:26.220
  • INDIVIDUALIZE THE COUNTRIES.
  • 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:29.150
  • - HOW IS THAT SHIFTING AND CHANGING
  • 00:14:29.170 --> 00:14:31.260
  • OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME SINCE THE EARLY 90'S?
  • 00:14:31.280 --> 00:14:33.280
  • - THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THE PERSECUTION,
  • 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:35.260
  • IT'S LIKE A LUNG OKAY?
  • 00:14:35.280 --> 00:14:37.110
  • SO, IT EXPANDS AND IT CONTRACTS AND BASED ON EACH COUNTRY,
  • 00:14:37.130 --> 00:14:40.220
  • YOU MIGHT GO THROUGH PERIODS OF INTENSE PERSECUTION,
  • 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.070
  • BUT THEN PERIODS WHERE IT FREES UP.
  • 00:14:43.090 --> 00:14:44.250
  • CHINA IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:44.270 --> 00:14:46.230
  • IT'S GONE THROUGH A PERIOD OF INTENSE PERSECUTION
  • 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:48.160
  • AND THE GOSPEL EXPLODED AND NOW, IN TODAY'S WORLD,
  • 00:14:48.180 --> 00:14:51.130
  • WE START SEEING IT CONTRACT AGAIN.
  • 00:14:51.150 --> 00:14:53.260
  • PERSECUTION'S INTENSIFYING.
  • 00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:56.130
  • - IN 20 YEARS TIME IT'S CONCEIVABLE,
  • 00:14:56.150 --> 00:14:58.120
  • WOULD IT BE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH WOULD BE THE MAJORITY
  • 00:14:58.140 --> 00:15:01.060
  • OF FAITH IN CHINA.
  • 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:02.140
  • NOW OF COURSE, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, XI JINPING
  • 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:06.200
  • AND THE CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT AND THE PROSECUTION
  • 00:15:06.220 --> 00:15:10.070
  • AND THINGS LIKE THE SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM.
  • 00:15:10.090 --> 00:15:12.280
  • THINGS ARE AS BAD FOR THE CHRISTIANS AS THEY WERE
  • 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.050
  • BACK UNDER MAO ZEDONG SO IT'S A VERY TOUGH SITUATION.
  • 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:20.130
  • - AND IN THAT, DO YOU SEE THE CHURCH
  • 00:15:20.150 --> 00:15:22.050
  • STILL FLOURISHING OR STRUGGLING?
  • 00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:25.190
  • - OH, IT'S STILL FLOURISHING WITH TREMENDOUS COURAGE.
  • 00:15:25.210 --> 00:15:29.090
  • - I JUST GOT BACK FROM CENTRAL ASIA, A PART OF THE WORLD
  • 00:15:29.110 --> 00:15:31.000
  • THAT I LOVE AND IT MARRIES THE RELENTLESS PRESSURE
  • 00:15:31.020 --> 00:15:34.100
  • OF COMMUNISM WITH THE RISE OF RADICAL ISLAM.
  • 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.060
  • ITS A COUNTRY WHERE TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO ANYONE
  • 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:40.190
  • UNDER THE AGE OF 16 IS ILLEGAL AND MORE THAN THAT,
  • 00:15:40.210 --> 00:15:42.260
  • IT'S MET WITH A CHARGE OF RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM,
  • 00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:45.280
  • SAME AS TERRORISM RESULTING IN A THREE YEAR PRISON SENTENCE,
  • 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:49.220
  • AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT THING, I MEAN,
  • 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.020
  • IF YOU THINK AS FAR AS SUPPRESSING THE GOSPEL GOES,
  • 00:15:52.040 --> 00:15:54.270
  • CAN YOU THINK OF A BETTER WAY OTHER THAN STOPPING PEOPLE
  • 00:15:54.290 --> 00:15:57.120
  • TEACHING IT TO KIDS?
  • 00:15:57.140 --> 00:15:58.240
  • BECAUSE PARENTS IN THE FACE OF FEAR WILL OFTEN STOP
  • 00:15:58.260 --> 00:16:01.080
  • TAKING THEIR KIDS TO CHURCH
  • 00:16:01.100 --> 00:16:02.180
  • AND SO THEY STOP GOING TO CHURCH,
  • 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.000
  • THE KIDS STOP GOING TO CHURCH, THE CHURCH DISAPPEARS.
  • 00:16:04.020 --> 00:16:12.240
  • [SOBER MUSIC]
  • 00:16:12.260 --> 00:16:18.120
  • - YOU GO TO A COURT CASE, AND YOUR LAWYER HAS AN ARGUMENT
  • 00:16:18.140 --> 00:16:22.130
  • THAT WOULD GET YOU OFF THIS CHARGE.
  • 00:16:22.150 --> 00:16:25.230
  • WHAT DOES THE LAWYER SAY AND WHY DID YOU DISAGREE.
  • 00:16:25.250 --> 00:16:30.040
  • - I WAS TALKING TO JUDGE AND HE ASKED US IF YOU WANT
  • 00:16:30.060 --> 00:16:34.000
  • TO INSIST ON YOUR FAITH AND I MENTIONED TO HIM
  • 00:16:34.020 --> 00:16:38.150
  • IF WE WANTED TO DENY OUR FAITH, WE WOULD DENY IT
  • 00:16:38.170 --> 00:16:42.110
  • EIGHT MONTHS EARLIER, NOT TO WAIT UNTIL THIS TIME
  • 00:16:42.130 --> 00:16:46.020
  • AND SO OUR LAWYER JUMPED IN AND TOLD THE JUDGE,
  • 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:51.270
  • NO, THEY HAVE THE SAME FAITH AS IN ISLAM
  • 00:16:51.290 --> 00:16:56.290
  • AND I TOLD HIM, NO, EXCUSE ME,
  • 00:16:57.010 --> 00:16:59.130
  • I NEED TO INTERRUPT MY LAWYER, WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME FAITH
  • 00:16:59.150 --> 00:17:05.140
  • BECAUSE WE BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, IT'S DIFFERENT
  • 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:09.010
  • FROM YOUR FAITH AND THAT'S WHY MY LAWYER
  • 00:17:09.030 --> 00:17:12.090
  • BECAME VERY ANGRY AT THAT TIME.
  • 00:17:12.110 --> 00:17:16.090
  • - I REMEMBER WE WERE IN PRISON FOR EIGHT MONTHS
  • 00:17:16.110 --> 00:17:18.100
  • AND SUDDENLY SOME HIGH OFFICIALS FROM THE GOVERNMENT
  • 00:17:18.120 --> 00:17:21.160
  • CAME TO PRISON TO VISIT US AND WE WERE SO SURPRISED.
  • 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:24.170
  • THEY ASKED US TO GO TO 209 BUILDING AND THERE WAS THIS
  • 00:17:24.190 --> 00:17:28.100
  • HIGH OFFICIAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT WE USED TO SEE
  • 00:17:28.120 --> 00:17:31.200
  • ON TV AND HE CAME TO PRISON WITH VERY NICE FOOD AND TEA
  • 00:17:31.220 --> 00:17:36.050
  • AND COOKIES AND HE MENTIONED TO US, HE ASKED US A QUESTION,
  • 00:17:36.070 --> 00:17:40.030
  • HE SAID HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN ROME?
  • 00:17:40.050 --> 00:17:41.250
  • WE SAID NO, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN ROME.
  • 00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:43.280
  • HE SAID SO WHY POPE SEND A LETTER
  • 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.040
  • ON YOUR BEHALF TO OUR GOVERNMENT?
  • 00:17:46.060 --> 00:17:48.110
  • YOU KNOW, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON OUTSIDE
  • 00:17:48.130 --> 00:17:50.240
  • BUT LATER WE REALIZED THAT THE POPE SENT A LETTER TO
  • 00:17:50.260 --> 00:17:54.170
  • GOVERNMENT AND ASKED FOR OUR RELEASE.
  • 00:17:54.190 --> 00:17:56.230
  • THAT HIGH OFFICIAL WHO CAME TO PRISON,
  • 00:17:56.250 --> 00:17:58.210
  • HE TOLD US THAT WE JUST PUT YOU IN PRISON TO PROTECT YOU
  • 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:02.090
  • FOR NINE MONTHS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE
  • 00:18:02.110 --> 00:18:04.090
  • PREJUDICE MUSLIM OUTSIDE AND THEY WANT TO HURT YOU,
  • 00:18:04.110 --> 00:18:07.180
  • THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO PROTECT YOU.
  • 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.190
  • FROM THEIR BEHAVIORS WE COULD SEE THAT YOU KNOW
  • 00:18:09.210 --> 00:18:13.190
  • THE INFLUENCE OF ALL THOSE PRESSURES ON THEM
  • 00:18:13.210 --> 00:18:16.240
  • AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THEY WERE ANGRY
  • 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:20.190
  • AND THEY JUST TOLD US THAT YOU CAN BE FREE
  • 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:24.180
  • BUT THEY THREATENED US BEFORE LETTING US TO BE FREE.
  • 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:28.080
  • THEY, OUR INTERROGATORS, OUR JUDGES, AND SOME HIGH OFFICIALS
  • 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:32.010
  • FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THEY THREATENED US THAT
  • 00:18:32.030 --> 00:18:34.130
  • YOU CANNOT LIVE AS CHRISTIANS ANYMORE IN THIS COUNTRY.
  • 00:18:34.150 --> 00:18:37.250
  • - SO, YOU'RE OUT OF JAIL BUT YOU FELT LIKE
  • 00:18:37.270 --> 00:18:39.120
  • YOU WERE STILL IN PRISON BUT
  • 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:41.180
  • MARZIYEH, WHAT WAS IT LIKE WALKING OUT OF JAIL.
  • 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.280
  • - I CAN SAY IT WAS MIXED FEELING BECAUSE ON ONE HAND,
  • 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:50.140
  • WE WERE SO HAPPY THAT FINALLY WE GET THE VICTORY.
  • 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:54.130
  • GOD GAVE US THE VICTORY AND WE COULD BE FREE,
  • 00:18:54.150 --> 00:18:58.170
  • BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE WERE NOT HAPPY,
  • 00:18:58.190 --> 00:19:01.140
  • BECAUSE WE HAD MANY FRIENDS INSIDE PRISON
  • 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:04.170
  • AND WE HAD TO LEAVE THEM BEHIND AND MARYAM MENTIONED
  • 00:19:04.190 --> 00:19:08.240
  • ONE OF OUR BEST FRIEND, SHIRIN ALAM HOLI,
  • 00:19:08.260 --> 00:19:12.090
  • SHE WAS A KURDISH AND AFTER WE GOT RELEASED
  • 00:19:12.110 --> 00:19:14.230
  • A FEW MONTHS AFTER WE GOT RELEASED, SHE GOT EXECUTED.
  • 00:19:14.250 --> 00:19:18.280
  • THAT EXPERIENCE WAS VERY PAINFUL FOR BOTH OF US
  • 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.080
  • AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW ...
  • 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:32.160
  • I'M SORRY
  • 00:19:32.180 --> 00:19:34.220
  • -[INTERVIEWER] TAKE YOUR TIME.
  • 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:42.000
  • - YEAH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO LEAVE YOUR FRIENDS BEHIND
  • 00:19:42.020 --> 00:19:47.230
  • AND JUST ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM.
  • 00:19:47.250 --> 00:19:51.050
  • THAT'S WHY WE BOTH BELIEVE THAT AFTER WE GOT RELEASED,
  • 00:19:51.070 --> 00:19:55.230
  • WE ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:55.250 --> 00:19:58.000
  • WE CAN'T ENJOY JUST OUR FREEDOM AND FORGET ABOUT THOSE
  • 00:19:58.020 --> 00:20:02.230
  • WHO ARE STILL IN PRISON.
  • 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:10.130
  • [SOBER MUSIC]
  • 00:20:10.150 --> 00:20:16.000
  • -[INTERVIEWER] HERE YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY
  • 00:20:16.020 --> 00:20:17.130
  • HOLDING WORSHIP MEETINGS IN THE ASHES OF THE BUILDING.
  • 00:20:17.150 --> 00:20:20.260
  • - EXACTLY.
  • 00:20:20.280 --> 00:20:22.070
  • - HOW DO PEOPLE REMAIN ENCOURAGED IN THAT SETTING?
  • 00:20:22.090 --> 00:20:24.210
  • - UNDERSTANDING THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST
  • 00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:26.290
  • AND THE GOSPEL WHICH WE CARRY BECAUSE
  • 00:20:27.010 --> 00:20:29.140
  • EVERYBODY COMING TO CHURCH, WE UNDERSTAND ONE CLEAR THING
  • 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.100
  • THAT JESUS INDEED IS LORD AND HE'S ALREADY VICTORIOUS
  • 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:35.200
  • OVER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION
  • 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:37.190
  • THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN.
  • 00:20:37.210 --> 00:20:39.020
  • - YOUR ROLE IS ALSO ENCOURAGING OTHER PASTORS
  • 00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:41.240
  • AND THE PASTORS IN THE NORTH PART OF NIGERIA.
  • 00:20:41.260 --> 00:20:44.250
  • WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACE AS PASTORS UP THERE?
  • 00:20:44.270 --> 00:20:49.090
  • - YES, YOU KNOW, THE BOKO HARAM INSURGENCY, PLUS OR MINUS
  • 00:20:49.110 --> 00:20:54.030
  • HAS DESTROYED MORE THAN 3.000 CHURCHES
  • 00:20:54.050 --> 00:20:56.280
  • IN NORTHEASTERN NIGERIA AND NUMBER OF PASTORS KILLED
  • 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.180
  • GOING TO THE DOZENS OF THEM, MORE THAN 100 I WOULD SAY
  • 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:05.110
  • IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
  • 00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:07.080
  • ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, EITHER CHURCH LEADERS OR THEIR PASTORS
  • 00:21:07.100 --> 00:21:10.040
  • AND THE PASTORS HAVE BEEN TARGETED
  • 00:21:10.060 --> 00:21:12.190
  • SO IT HAS BECOME VERY DIFFICULT SO FROM 2014,
  • 00:21:12.210 --> 00:21:17.110
  • WHEN I'VE BEEN GOING TO MAKE DEGREE FROM JOS
  • 00:21:17.130 --> 00:21:19.240
  • TO THE REFUGEE CAMPS IN MY DEGREE,
  • 00:21:19.260 --> 00:21:26.160
  • I SEE THE DESPAIR IN CHURCHES AND PASTORS WHO
  • 00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:33.120
  • IN THE SAME REFUGEE CAMPS WITH MEMBERS OF THEIR CONGREGATION
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:37.260
  • AND THEY'RE FINDING IT VERY DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN
  • 00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:40.150
  • THE GOD THAT WE SERVE, THE GOD OF LOVE, GOD OF JUSTICE,
  • 00:21:40.170 --> 00:21:43.130
  • IN THE MIDST OF ALL THIS SUFFERING.
  • 00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:44.240
  • - SO WHAT DO YOU TO SAY TO A PASTOR WHO'S STRUGGLING
  • 00:21:44.260 --> 00:21:48.090
  • WITH WHERE GOD IS WHEN HIS CHURCH IS BURNED DOWN
  • 00:21:48.110 --> 00:21:50.150
  • AND HE'S LIVING IN A REFUGEE CAMP?
  • 00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:52.280
  • - WELL, THE PASTORS TRYING TO TELL THEM AND TEACH THEM
  • 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.220
  • THAT THEY ARE GOD'S REPRESENTATIVE, THEY ARE THE
  • 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:58.210
  • SHEPHERDS OF THE SHEEP AND THEREFORE, THEY MUST BE ABLE TO
  • 00:21:58.230 --> 00:22:03.120
  • TEACH AND LET PEOPLE SEE THE LOVE OF GOD
  • 00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:06.030
  • IN ALL THAT IS HAPPENING.
  • 00:22:06.050 --> 00:22:07.180
  • NOT THAT GOD IS ABSENT, NO HE IS THERE, TAKING US THROUGH.
  • 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.040
  • [SOBER MUSIC]
  • 00:22:12.060 --> 00:22:15.100
  • - FOR NINE MONTHS, WE HAD GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE
  • 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:17.280
  • THE MESSAGE WITH MANY PRISONERS WHO REALLY NEEDED
  • 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.260
  • TO HEAR THE MESSAGE AND ALSO AS MARZIYEH MENTIONED,
  • 00:22:20.280 --> 00:22:23.260
  • IT WAS AN AMAZING AND HARD EXPERIENCE FOR BOTH OF US.
  • 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:27.070
  • WE LEARNED A LOT.
  • 00:22:27.090 --> 00:22:28.170
  • IT WAS LIKE GOING TO A UNIVERSITY AND LEARN A LOT
  • 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:31.150
  • OF THINGS ABOUT YOURSELF, ABOUT YOUR WEAKNESSES,
  • 00:22:31.170 --> 00:22:34.050
  • AND ALSO ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU NEED GODS POWER IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:22:34.070 --> 00:22:39.130
  • [SOBER MUSIC]
  • 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:44.090
  • - ONE OF THE CHURCH LEADERS WAS TALKING TO YOU
  • 00:22:44.110 --> 00:22:47.240
  • AND HE WAS PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOU WERE PRAYING FOR HIM,
  • 00:22:47.260 --> 00:22:48.280
  • WHAT WAS HE PRAYING FOR?
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  • - I REMEMBER HE WAS A 70 OR A 80 YEAR OLD
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  • CHINESE BELIEVER FROM THE UNDERGROUND CHURCH
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  • AND AS THEIR TIME TOGETHER DREW TO AN END,
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  • I SIMPLY SAID TO HIM, BROTHER, CAN I PRAY FOR YOU?
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  • AND HE SAYS, YEAH, I WANT YOU TO PRAY PERSECUTION
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  • NEVER LEAVES CHINA.
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  • I REMEMBER I PAUSED AND SAID CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
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  • AND HE SAYS, WELL, WE LOOK AT THE AUSTRALIAN CHURCH
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  • AS A PROPHETIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS
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  • WHEN FAITH BECOMES FREE.
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  • HE SAYS THE VALUE OF JESUS DROPS.
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  • I WANT YOU TO PRAY PERSECUTION NEVER LEAVES CHINA.
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  • - SO WHAT DO YOU PUT THAT GROWTH UNDER PERSECUTION DOWN TO?
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  • - TRULY, TO THE HOLY SPIRIT,
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  • BUT ALSO THE INCREDIBLE COURAGE OF PEOPLE UNDER PERSECUTION.
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  • WHILE I WAS BORN IN NORTH CHINA DURING WORLD WAR II,
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  • NOW, I REMEMBER AS A SMALL BOY WHEN I WAS SIX OR SEVEN,
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  • YOU KNOW, THE SERMONS STARTED TO GET INTERMINABLY LONG
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  • AND I SAID TO MY DAD, WHAT'S HAPPENING,
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  • THIS IS REALLY BORING.
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  • HE SAID WELL LISTEN, THEY KNOW PERSECUTION'S COMING,
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  • SO THEY'RE LAYING DOWN ALL THE TEACHING,
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  • AND THE DEPTH, AND THE FELLOWSHIP THAT THEY CAN
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  • POSSIBLY HAVE SO THEY'RE READY WHEN IT COMES.
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  • - A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING THIS CONVERSATION
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  • WILL DO SO IN THE SAFETY OF THE WEST.
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  • AS A PASTOR IN NIGERIA, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY
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  • TO PEOPLE WATCHING THIS IN THE WEST?
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  • - I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT NIGERIA
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  • FROM THE NIGERIAN PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY
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  • I THINK WE CLEARLY KNOW, AT LEAST NOW,
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  • WHO OUR ENEMIES ARE AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO
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  • CONFRONT OUR CHALLENGES EVERY DAY AND WE SEE GOD AT WORK.
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  • I THINK OUR CONCERN FOR THE WEST, IS WE SEE A DIFFERENT
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  • LEVEL OF PERSECUTION COMING AND WE BEGIN TO WONDER
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  • IF THE WEST CAN STAND THE KIND OF PERSECUTION
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  • THAT IS COMING EITHER THROUGH SECULARISM OR GOVERNMENT,
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  • POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WHATEVER IS HAPPENING IN THE WEST.
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  • AND SO OUR WORRY ALL THE TIME AND I THINK I WILL SAY
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  • OUR PLEA ALL THE TIME IS FOR THE CHURCH IN THE WEST
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  • IS TO NEVER GIVE UP THIS FAITH
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  • THAT WE ARE DYING FOR IN AFRICA.
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