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  • [MUSIC]- ERIC METAXAS: THIS
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THISPROGRAM IS SPONSORED IN
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  • PROGRAM IS SPONSORED INPART BY CARSHIELD, GIVING
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  • PART BY CARSHIELD, GIVINGTHOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.SOME SUBJECTS ARE VERY
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  • SOME SUBJECTS ARE VERYCLOSE TO MY HEART--
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  • CLOSE TO MY HEART--NOT ALL OF THEM,
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  • NOT ALL OF THEM,BUT SOME OF THEM.
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  • I GET TO TALK RIGHT NOW TO
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  • I GET TO TALK RIGHT NOW TOTHE HOST OF
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  • THE HOST OF"VOICE OF THE MARTYRS RADIO,"
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  • "VOICE OF THE MARTYRS RADIO,"TODD NETTLETON.
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  • TODD NETTLETON.THERE'S A BRAND-NEW BOOK
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  • THERE'S A BRAND-NEW BOOKCALLED "JESUS FREAKS,"
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  • CALLED "JESUS FREAKS,"PEOPLE WHO'VE SUFFERED FOR
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  • PEOPLE WHO'VE SUFFERED FORTHEIR FAITH.
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  • THEIR FAITH.WHEN I HAD THE PRIVILEGE
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  • WHEN I HAD THE PRIVILEGEOF FINDING OUT ABOUT
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  • OF FINDING OUT ABOUT"VOICE OF THE MARTYRS,"
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  • "VOICE OF THE MARTYRS,"AND RICHARD WURMBRAND,
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  • AND RICHARD WURMBRAND,WHO SUFFERED MONSTROUSLY FOR
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  • WHO SUFFERED MONSTROUSLY FORHIS FAITH UNDER THE
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  • HIS FAITH UNDER THECOMMUNISTS IN ROMANIA,
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  • COMMUNISTS IN ROMANIA,AND THEN I GOT TO MEET HIM,
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  • AND THEN I GOT TO MEET HIM,I JUST THOUGHT THERE'S
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  • I JUST THOUGHT THERE'SNOTHING MORE BEAUTIFUL AND
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  • NOTHING MORE BEAUTIFUL ANDMOVING THAN THESE PEOPLE
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  • MOVING THAN THESE PEOPLEWHOSE FAITH PUTS THEM IN A
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  • WHOSE FAITH PUTS THEM IN APLACE WHERE THEY'RE
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  • PLACE WHERE THEY'REWILLING TO SUFFER FOR
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  • WILLING TO SUFFER FORTHEIR FAITH.
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  • THEIR FAITH.AND I THINK IT STRENGTHENS
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  • AND I THINK IT STRENGTHENSALL OF US WHEN WE HEAR
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  • ALL OF US WHEN WE HEARTHESE STORIES.
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  • THESE STORIES.SO, TODD NETTLETON,
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  • SO, TODD NETTLETON,THANKS FOR BEING MY GUEST.
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  • THANKS FOR BEING MY GUEST.- TODD NETTLETON: THANK
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  • IT IS GREAT, AND I AGREE
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  • IT IS GREAT, AND I AGREEWITH YOU 100%.
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  • WITH YOU 100%.THESE STORIES ARE
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  • THESE STORIES AREPOWERFUL, AND THEY REALLY
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  • POWERFUL, AND THEY REALLYDO HAVE AN IMPACT ON US AS
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  • DO HAVE AN IMPACT ON US ASWE READ THEM.
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  • WE READ THEM.- ERIC: THERE'S NO DOUBT
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  • - ERIC: THERE'S NO DOUBTABOUT IT.
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  • ABOUT IT.I MEAN, I REALIZE THIS
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  • I MEAN, I REALIZE THISSTUFF, IN RETROSPECT,
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  • STUFF, IN RETROSPECT,WRITING MY BOOKS ON
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  • WRITING MY BOOKS ONBONHOEFFER AND STUFF.
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  • BONHOEFFER AND STUFF.I REALIZE THAT IT
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  • I REALIZE THAT ITSTRENGTHENS PEOPLE TO READ
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  • STRENGTHENS PEOPLE TO READTHESE STORIES, AND THE
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  • THESE STORIES, AND THESTORIES IN "JESUS FREAKS,"
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  • STORIES IN "JESUS FREAKS,"I MEAN, WHAT BONHOEFFER WENT
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  • I MEAN, WHAT BONHOEFFER WENTTHROUGH WAS VERY MILD
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  • THROUGH WAS VERY MILDCOMPARED TO WHAT A
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  • COMPARED TO WHAT ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE
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  • LOT OF PEOPLE HAVESUFFERED OVER THE YEARS.
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  • SUFFERED OVER THE YEARS.SO, FIRST OF ALL, TELL US
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  • SO, FIRST OF ALL, TELL USABOUT YOURSELF AND WHAT
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  • ABOUT YOURSELF AND WHATYOU DO AS HOST OF "VOICE
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  • - TODD: I BASICALLY HELP
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  • - TODD: I BASICALLY HELPTELL THE STORIES OF
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  • TELL THE STORIES OFPERSECUTED CHRISTIANS, AND
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  • PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS, ANDI'VE BEEN SERVING HERE AT
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  • I'VE BEEN SERVING HERE ATVOICE OF THE MARTYRS FOR
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  • VOICE OF THE MARTYRS FOR22 YEARS NOW AND HAVE HAD
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  • 22 YEARS NOW AND HAVE HADTHE CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND
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  • THE CHANCE TO SIT DOWN ANDINTERVIEW AND ASK
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  • INTERVIEW AND ASKQUESTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO
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  • QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE WHOARE THE BONHOEFFERS OF
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  • ARE THE BONHOEFFERS OFTODAY OR THE
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  • TODAY OR THERICHARD WURMBRANDS OF
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  • RICHARD WURMBRANDS OFTODAY AND,
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  • TODAY AND,REALLY, JUST SIT DOWN AND
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  • REALLY, JUST SIT DOWN ANDASK THEM, "HEY, TELL ME
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  • ASK THEM, "HEY, TELL MEABOUT THE PRISON CELL;
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  • ABOUT THE PRISON CELL;TELL ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE:
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  • TELL ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE:HOW DID YOU GET THROUGH
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  • HOW DID YOU GET THROUGHTHAT?
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  • THAT?HOW DID GOD SUSTAIN YOU IN
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  • HOW DID GOD SUSTAIN YOU INTHE MIDST OF THAT?"
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  • THE MIDST OF THAT?"AND THEN DO INTERVIEWS
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  • AND THEN DO INTERVIEWSLIKE THIS IN OUR BROADCAST
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  • LIKE THIS IN OUR BROADCASTEVERY WEEK TO HELP TELL
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  • EVERY WEEK TO HELP TELLTHOSE STORIES TO AMERICAN
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  • THOSE STORIES TO AMERICANCHRISTIANS.
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  • CHRISTIANS.- ERIC: WELL, I JUST-- I
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  • - ERIC: WELL, I JUST-- ILOVE IT.
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  • LOVE IT.HOW CAN PEOPLE FIND
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  • HOW CAN PEOPLE FIND"VOICE OF THE MARTYRS
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  • "VOICE OF THE MARTYRSRADIO"?
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  • RADIO"?ARE YOU ON-- IS THERE A
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  • - TODD: VOMRADIO.NET IS
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  • - TODD: VOMRADIO.NET ISTHE WEBSITE, VOMRADIO.NET,
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  • THE WEBSITE, VOMRADIO.NET,AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT
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  • AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUTIN YOUR ZIP CODE AND FIND
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  • IN YOUR ZIP CODE AND FINDA STATION WHERE WE'RE
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  • A STATION WHERE WE'RECARRIED.
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  • CARRIED.WE'RE ON NOW MORE THAN
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  • WE'RE ON NOW MORE THAN1.000 RADIO STATIONS.
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  • 1.000 RADIO STATIONS.YOU CAN ALSO LISTEN
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  • YOU CAN ALSO LISTENWHEREVER YOU LISTEN TO
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  • WHEREVER YOU LISTEN TOPODCASTS.
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  • PODCASTS.JUST SEARCH FOR "VOM
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  • JUST SEARCH FOR "VOMRADIO," AND IT WILL BE,
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  • RADIO," AND IT WILL BE,LIKE I SAY, WHEREVER YOU
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  • - ERIC: TELL US ABOUT THE
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  • - ERIC: TELL US ABOUT THEBOOK.
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  • BOOK.I KNOW IT'S BRAND-NEW.
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  • I KNOW IT'S BRAND-NEW.IT'S CALLED "JESUS FREAKS."
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  • IT'S CALLED "JESUS FREAKS."I LOVE THAT.
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  • I LOVE THAT.I USE THAT TERM A LOT IN
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  • I USE THAT TERM A LOT INMY OWN LIFE.
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  • MY OWN LIFE.I'M A JESUS FREAK.
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  • I'M A JESUS FREAK.I SAY THAT PROUDLY.
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  • I SAY THAT PROUDLY.BUT TELL US ABOUT THIS BOOK.
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  • BUT TELL US ABOUT THIS BOOK.- TODD: THIS BOOK IS AN
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  • - TODD: THIS BOOK IS ANUPDATED AND EXPANDED
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  • UPDATED AND EXPANDEDEDITION OF THE BOOK THAT
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  • EDITION OF THE BOOK THATFIRST CAME OUT FROM DC
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  • FIRST CAME OUT FROM DCTALK AND THE VOICE OF THE
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  • TALK AND THE VOICE OF THEMARTYRS IN 1999.
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  • MARTYRS IN 1999.SO THAT BOOK CAME OUT--
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  • SO THAT BOOK CAME OUT--LITERALLY IMPACTED AN
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  • LITERALLY IMPACTED ANENTIRE GENERATION.
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  • ENTIRE GENERATION.THEY SOLD OVER A MILLION
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  • THEY SOLD OVER A MILLIONCOPIES.
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  • COPIES.SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE
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  • SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WEWILL MEET AND TALK TO WILL
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  • WILL MEET AND TALK TO WILLSAY, "THE FIRST TIME I
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  • SAY, "THE FIRST TIME IHEARD ABOUT PERSECUTED
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  • HEARD ABOUT PERSECUTEDCHRISTIANS, THE FIRST TIME
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  • CHRISTIANS, THE FIRST TIMEI HEARD ABOUT THE VOICE
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  • I HEARD ABOUT THE VOICEOF THE MARTYRS WAS WHEN I
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  • OF THE MARTYRS WAS WHEN IPICKED UP A COPY OF
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  • PICKED UP A COPY OF"JESUS FREAKS."
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  • "JESUS FREAKS."SO THAT WAS
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  • SO THAT WASRELEASED IN 1999.
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  • RELEASED IN 1999.OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOW IN 2020.
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  • OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOW IN 2020.THERE HAVE BEEN MORE
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  • THERE HAVE BEEN MOREJESUS-FREAK STORIES
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  • JESUS-FREAK STORIESWRITTEN IN THE LAST 20
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  • WRITTEN IN THE LAST 20YEARS.
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  • YEARS.THERE HAVE BEEN MORE
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  • THERE HAVE BEEN MORECHRISTIANS WHO LAID DOWN
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  • CHRISTIANS WHO LAID DOWNTHEIR LIVES RATHER THAN
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  • THEIR LIVES RATHER THANDENY CHRIST, AND SO WE
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  • DENY CHRIST, AND SO WEWANTED TO TELL THEIR
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  • WANTED TO TELL THEIRSTORIES TOO.
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  • STORIES TOO.WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THEIR
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  • SO THE BRAND-NEW BOOK, IT
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  • SO THE BRAND-NEW BOOK, ITHAS ABOUT 35% BRAND-NEW
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  • HAS ABOUT 35% BRAND-NEWSTORIES, BRAND-NEW
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  • STORIES, BRAND-NEWMATERIAL, AS WELL AS SOME
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  • MATERIAL, AS WELL AS SOMEOF THE GREAT STORIES FROM
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  • OF THE GREAT STORIES FROMTHE ORIGINAL EDITION, AND
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  • THE ORIGINAL EDITION, ANDOUR HOPE IS THIS WILL
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  • OUR HOPE IS THIS WILLINSPIRE ANOTHER
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  • YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLETHAT READ "JESUS FREAKS"
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  • THAT READ "JESUS FREAKS"IN 1999, MAYBE THEY WERE A
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  • IN 1999, MAYBE THEY WERE ACOLLEGE STUDENT, MAYBE
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  • COLLEGE STUDENT, MAYBETHEY WERE A HIGH SCHOOL
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  • THEY WERE A HIGH SCHOOLSTUDENT.
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  • STUDENT.NOW THEY'RE A PARENT OF A
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  • NOW THEY'RE A PARENT OF ACOLLEGE STUDENT OR A HIGH
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  • COLLEGE STUDENT OR A HIGHSCHOOL STUDENT, AND THIS
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  • SCHOOL STUDENT, AND THISBOOK IS SOMETHING THEY CAN
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  • BOOK IS SOMETHING THEY CANPASS ALONG AND SAY,
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  • PASS ALONG AND SAY,"LISTEN, THIS INSPIRED ME.
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  • "LISTEN, THIS INSPIRED ME.I WANT YOU TO BE INSPIRED."
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  • I WANT YOU TO BE INSPIRED."AND JUST LIKE YOU SAY,
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  • AND JUST LIKE YOU SAY,WE WANT THEM TO
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  • WE WANT THEM TOLIVE AS JESUS FREAKS AND
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  • LIVE AS JESUS FREAKS ANDTO BE INSPIRED TO DO THAT
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  • TO BE INSPIRED TO DO THATBY THE STORIES.
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  • BY THE STORIES.- ERIC: WELL, IT IS AMAZING,
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  • - ERIC: WELL, IT IS AMAZING,AND IT IS POWERFUL.
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  • AND IT IS POWERFUL.IT CHANGES EVERYTHING WHEN
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  • IT CHANGES EVERYTHING WHENYOU UNDERSTAND, FIRST OF
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  • YOU UNDERSTAND, FIRST OFALL, THE TREMENDOUS
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  • ALL, THE TREMENDOUSLIBERTY THAT MOST OF US
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  • LIBERTY THAT MOST OF USHAVE, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
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  • WHICH IS REALLY DEEPLY
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  • WHICH IS REALLY DEEPLYWRONG.
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  • WRONG.AND WHEN WE READ THE
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  • AND WHEN WE READ THESTORIES OR HEAR THE
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  • STORIES OR HEAR THESTORIES OF PEOPLE WHO
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  • STORIES OF PEOPLE WHODON'T HAVE RELIGIOUS
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  • DON'T HAVE RELIGIOUSLIBERTY AND WHO ARE
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  • LIBERTY AND WHO ARESUFFERING FOR THE LACK OF
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  • SUFFERING FOR THE LACK OFRELIGIOUS LIBERTY, IT DOES
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  • RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, IT DOESMAKE US APPRECIATE WHAT WE
  • 00:05:00.245 --> 00:05:02.013
  • MAKE US APPRECIATE WHAT WEHAVE, AND IT MAKES US WANT
  • 00:05:02.013 --> 00:05:02.581
  • HAVE, AND IT MAKES US WANTTO USE THE LIBERTY WE HAVE
  • 00:05:02.581 --> 00:05:04.316
  • TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO
  • 00:05:05.450 --> 00:05:06.485
  • TO DO WHAT WE CAN TOINCREASE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
  • 00:05:06.485 --> 00:05:07.085
  • INCREASE RELIGIOUS LIBERTYIN OUR OWN COUNTRY, AROUND
  • 00:05:07.085 --> 00:05:08.587
  • IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, AROUNDTHE WORLD.
  • 00:05:08.587 --> 00:05:10.021
  • THE WORLD.I WANT PEOPLE LISTENING TO
  • 00:05:10.021 --> 00:05:11.123
  • I WANT PEOPLE LISTENING TOHAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT
  • 00:05:11.123 --> 00:05:12.691
  • HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHATWE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:05:12.691 --> 00:05:13.759
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.- TODD: ONE OF THE NEW
  • 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:15.060
  • - TODD: ONE OF THE NEWSTORIES THAT IS TOLD IS
  • 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:16.194
  • STORIES THAT IS TOLD ISTHE STORY OF THE
  • 00:05:16.194 --> 00:05:17.028
  • THE STORY OF THEGROENEWALD FAMILY.
  • 00:05:17.028 --> 00:05:19.731
  • GROENEWALD FAMILY.THIS WAS AN AMAZING FAMILY.
  • 00:05:19.731 --> 00:05:21.133
  • THIS WAS AN AMAZING FAMILY.THEY LIVED IN SOUTH AFRICA.
  • 00:05:21.133 --> 00:05:22.334
  • THEY LIVED IN SOUTH AFRICA.WERNER, THE FATHER, WAS A
  • 00:05:22.334 --> 00:05:28.173
  • WERNER, THE FATHER, WAS APASTOR ON STAFF AT A CHURCH.
  • 00:05:28.173 --> 00:05:28.707
  • PASTOR ON STAFF AT A CHURCH.HIS WIFE, HANNELIE WAS AN
  • 00:05:28.707 --> 00:05:30.041
  • HIS WIFE, HANNELIE WAS ANEMERGENCY-ROOM PHYSICIAN.
  • 00:05:30.041 --> 00:05:31.476
  • EMERGENCY-ROOM PHYSICIAN.THEY HAD A VERY NICE,
  • 00:05:31.476 --> 00:05:32.077
  • THEY HAD A VERY NICE,COMFORTABLE LIFE IN
  • 00:05:32.077 --> 00:05:34.446
  • COMFORTABLE LIFE INSOUTH AFRICA.
  • 00:05:34.446 --> 00:05:35.013
  • SOUTH AFRICA.AND AFTER 911, SO AFTER
  • 00:05:35.013 --> 00:05:35.647
  • AND AFTER 911, SO AFTERTHE ATTACKS, AFTER
  • 00:05:35.647 --> 00:05:38.283
  • THE ATTACKS, AFTEREVERYONE BECAME AWARE OF
  • 00:05:38.283 --> 00:05:40.085
  • EVERYONE BECAME AWARE OFOSAMA BIN LADEN, GOD
  • 00:05:40.085 --> 00:05:41.052
  • OSAMA BIN LADEN, GODCALLED THEM TO GO TO
  • 00:05:41.052 --> 00:05:42.254
  • CALLED THEM TO GO TOAFGHANISTAN AND SERVE
  • 00:05:42.254 --> 00:05:43.889
  • AFGHANISTAN AND SERVETHERE, AND, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:05:43.889 --> 00:05:45.690
  • THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, THENATURAL RESPONSE--
  • 00:05:45.690 --> 00:05:46.491
  • NATURAL RESPONSE--IN FACT, I HAD THE CHANCE
  • 00:05:46.491 --> 00:05:49.327
  • AND SHE SAID EVEN SOME
  • 00:05:50.362 --> 00:05:50.896
  • AND SHE SAID EVEN SOMEMEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILY
  • 00:05:50.896 --> 00:05:51.696
  • MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILYSAID, "THERE IS NO WAY
  • 00:05:51.696 --> 00:05:52.998
  • SAID, "THERE IS NO WAYTHAT GOD WOULD CALL YOU TO
  • 00:05:52.998 --> 00:05:54.666
  • THAT GOD WOULD CALL YOU TOTAKE YOUR CHILDREN TO
  • 00:05:54.666 --> 00:05:56.635
  • THAT JUST ISN'T SOMETHING
  • 00:05:58.003 --> 00:05:59.237
  • THAT JUST ISN'T SOMETHINGA LOVING GOD WOULD DO."
  • 00:05:59.237 --> 00:06:00.539
  • A LOVING GOD WOULD DO."BUT THEY ANSWERED THAT CALL.
  • 00:06:00.539 --> 00:06:01.139
  • BUT THEY ANSWERED THAT CALL.THEY WENT TO AFGHANISTAN,
  • 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:02.040
  • THEY WENT TO AFGHANISTAN,AND THEY SERVE THERE,
  • 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.643
  • WERNER AND THEIR TWO
  • 00:06:06.044 --> 00:06:07.112
  • WERNER AND THEIR TWOTEENAGE CHILDREN WERE
  • 00:06:07.112 --> 00:06:08.180
  • TEENAGE CHILDREN WEREKILLED IN AN ATTACK BY THE
  • 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:09.548
  • KILLED IN AN ATTACK BY THETALIBAN.
  • 00:06:09.548 --> 00:06:10.449
  • TALIBAN.HANNELIE, AS A DOCTOR, HAD
  • 00:06:10.449 --> 00:06:12.284
  • HANNELIE, AS A DOCTOR, HADACTUALLY BEEN ASKED TO BE
  • 00:06:12.284 --> 00:06:13.952
  • ACTUALLY BEEN ASKED TO BEAT A U.N. MEETING THAT DAY.
  • 00:06:13.952 --> 00:06:15.053
  • AT A U.N. MEETING THAT DAY.THEY HAD HEARD THERE WOULD
  • 00:06:15.053 --> 00:06:15.954
  • THEY HAD HEARD THERE WOULDBE AN ATTACK.
  • 00:06:15.954 --> 00:06:17.189
  • BE AN ATTACK.THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE
  • 00:06:17.189 --> 00:06:18.323
  • THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BEON THAT MEETING, AND SO
  • 00:06:18.323 --> 00:06:19.024
  • ON THAT MEETING, AND SOTHEY SAID, "HEY, WE NEED A
  • 00:06:19.024 --> 00:06:19.791
  • THEY SAID, "HEY, WE NEED ADOCTOR ON SITE.
  • 00:06:19.791 --> 00:06:21.827
  • DOCTOR ON SITE.HANNELIE, CAN YOU COME AND
  • 00:06:21.827 --> 00:06:22.894
  • HANNELIE, CAN YOU COME ANDBE HERE?"
  • 00:06:22.894 --> 00:06:23.728
  • BE HERE?"SO SHE WAS THERE WHEN THE
  • 00:06:23.728 --> 00:06:24.796
  • SO SHE WAS THERE WHEN THEATTACK HAPPENED ON HER
  • 00:06:24.796 --> 00:06:26.698
  • ATTACK HAPPENED ON HERHOME AND ON HER FAMILY.
  • 00:06:26.698 --> 00:06:27.799
  • HOME AND ON HER FAMILY.HER HUSBAND WAS KILLED,
  • 00:06:27.799 --> 00:06:29.134
  • HER HUSBAND WAS KILLED,HER TWO TEENAGERS WERE
  • 00:06:29.134 --> 00:06:30.469
  • HER TWO TEENAGERS WEREKILLED, AND, YET HANNELIE
  • 00:06:30.469 --> 00:06:34.239
  • KILLED, AND, YET HANNELIEFORGIVES THE KILLERS.
  • 00:06:34.239 --> 00:06:36.141
  • FORGIVES THE KILLERS.SHE LOVES THE AFGHAN PEOPLE.
  • 00:06:36.141 --> 00:06:38.410
  • SHE LOVES THE AFGHAN PEOPLE.SHE TALKS ABOUT HER LOVE
  • 00:06:38.410 --> 00:06:40.879
  • SHE TALKS ABOUT HER LOVEFOR THE AFGHAN PEOPLE,
  • 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:41.480
  • FOR THE AFGHAN PEOPLE,AND SHE TALKS ABOUT HOW GOD
  • 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:42.147
  • AND SHE TALKS ABOUT HOW GODSUSTAINED HER THROUGH THAT
  • 00:06:42.147 --> 00:06:43.582
  • SUSTAINED HER THROUGH THATLOSS, THROUGH THAT
  • 00:06:43.582 --> 00:06:45.317
  • LOSS, THROUGH THATINCREDIBLE LOSS, AND, YET
  • 00:06:45.317 --> 00:06:46.885
  • INCREDIBLE LOSS, AND, YETGOD ALLOWED HER TO GO
  • 00:06:46.885 --> 00:06:47.853
  • GOD ALLOWED HER TO GOTHROUGH IT, ALLOWED HER TO
  • 00:06:47.853 --> 00:06:49.054
  • THROUGH IT, ALLOWED HER TOHANG ONTO HER FAITH.
  • 00:06:49.054 --> 00:06:51.690
  • HANG ONTO HER FAITH.THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE NEW
  • 00:06:51.690 --> 00:06:52.657
  • THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE NEWSTORIES THAT'S IN THIS NEW
  • 00:06:52.657 --> 00:06:54.726
  • - ERIC: I MEAN, THE MOST
  • 00:06:56.228 --> 00:06:56.895
  • - ERIC: I MEAN, THE MOSTAMAZING THING SOMETIMES IS
  • 00:06:56.895 --> 00:07:00.532
  • AMAZING THING SOMETIMES ISNOT THAT SOMEONE WOULD
  • 00:07:00.532 --> 00:07:01.833
  • NOT THAT SOMEONE WOULDRISK THEIR LIFE FOR THE
  • 00:07:01.833 --> 00:07:03.001
  • RISK THEIR LIFE FOR THECAUSE OF THE GOSPEL OR TO
  • 00:07:03.001 --> 00:07:04.903
  • CAUSE OF THE GOSPEL OR TOLOVE THEIR ENEMIES OR TO
  • 00:07:04.903 --> 00:07:07.439
  • LOVE THEIR ENEMIES OR TOLOVE STRANGERS BUT THAT,
  • 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.140
  • LOVE STRANGERS BUT THAT,WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS
  • 00:07:09.140 --> 00:07:10.408
  • WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THISHAPPENS, SOMEONE LIKE THIS
  • 00:07:10.408 --> 00:07:11.343
  • HAPPENS, SOMEONE LIKE THISMOTHER WOULD BE CAPABLE OF
  • 00:07:11.343 --> 00:07:12.544
  • MOTHER WOULD BE CAPABLE OFFORGIVING.
  • 00:07:12.544 --> 00:07:13.879
  • FORGIVING.THAT, TO ME, IS WHAT
  • 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:14.946
  • THAT, TO ME, IS WHATSEPARATES THE SHEEP FROM
  • 00:07:14.946 --> 00:07:15.747
  • SEPARATES THE SHEEP FROMTHE GOATS.
  • 00:07:15.747 --> 00:07:16.481
  • THE GOATS.THAT'S WHEN YOU SAY,
  • 00:07:16.481 --> 00:07:17.449
  • THAT'S WHEN YOU SAY,"WAIT A SECOND.
  • 00:07:17.449 --> 00:07:19.317
  • "WAIT A SECOND.THIS IS CRAZY.
  • 00:07:19.317 --> 00:07:20.318
  • THIS IS CRAZY.THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
  • 00:07:20.318 --> 00:07:23.188
  • MAYBE THIS PERSON KNOWS
  • 00:07:25.223 --> 00:07:26.358
  • MAYBE THIS PERSON KNOWSSOMETHING THAT I DON'T
  • 00:07:26.358 --> 00:07:27.359
  • SOMETHING THAT I DON'TKNOW BECAUSE I CAN'T
  • 00:07:27.359 --> 00:07:28.627
  • KNOW BECAUSE I CAN'TCONCEIVE HOW IT'S POSSIBLE
  • 00:07:28.627 --> 00:07:30.729
  • - TODD: IT IS ONE OF THE
  • 00:07:32.364 --> 00:07:32.931
  • - TODD: IT IS ONE OF THEGREATEST PROOFS, AS YOU
  • 00:07:32.931 --> 00:07:33.932
  • GREATEST PROOFS, AS YOUHAVE SAID, OF GOD'S
  • 00:07:33.932 --> 00:07:34.866
  • HAVE SAID, OF GOD'SEXISTENCE BECAUSE,
  • 00:07:34.866 --> 00:07:36.301
  • EXISTENCE BECAUSE,HUMANLY SPEAKING,
  • 00:07:36.301 --> 00:07:38.103
  • HUMANLY SPEAKING,IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.
  • 00:07:38.103 --> 00:07:39.504
  • IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.IT DOESN'T EVEN COMPUTE
  • 00:07:39.504 --> 00:07:40.672
  • IT DOESN'T EVEN COMPUTETHAT YOU WOULD FORGIVE THE
  • 00:07:40.672 --> 00:07:42.908
  • AND SO, LIKE YOU SAY, WHEN
  • 00:07:44.376 --> 00:07:45.210
  • AND SO, LIKE YOU SAY, WHENSOMEONE IS LOOKING ON AND
  • 00:07:45.210 --> 00:07:46.711
  • SOMEONE IS LOOKING ON ANDTHEY SEE THAT-- AND SOME
  • 00:07:46.711 --> 00:07:48.346
  • THEY SEE THAT-- AND SOMEPARTS OF HANNELIE'S STORY
  • 00:07:48.346 --> 00:07:49.381
  • PARTS OF HANNELIE'S STORYARE JUST AMAZING.
  • 00:07:49.381 --> 00:07:50.515
  • ARE JUST AMAZING.HANNELIE, AGAIN, WAS A
  • 00:07:50.515 --> 00:07:51.650
  • HANNELIE, AGAIN, WAS ADOCTOR, AND SO SHE
  • 00:07:51.650 --> 00:07:53.318
  • DOCTOR, AND SO SHEACTUALLY WAS CALLED UPON
  • 00:07:53.318 --> 00:07:55.453
  • ACTUALLY WAS CALLED UPONTO HELP PREPARE THE BODIES
  • 00:07:55.453 --> 00:07:57.822
  • TO HELP PREPARE THE BODIESOF HER FAMILY, FOR BURIAL.
  • 00:07:57.822 --> 00:07:59.124
  • OF HER FAMILY, FOR BURIAL.AND YOU THINK ABOUT GOING
  • 00:07:59.124 --> 00:08:00.091
  • AND YOU THINK ABOUT GOINGTHROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND
  • 00:08:00.091 --> 00:08:02.460
  • THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ANDTHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:08:02.460 --> 00:08:02.961
  • THEN YOU THINK ABOUTSAYING, "I FORGIVE THE
  • 00:08:02.961 --> 00:08:04.229
  • SAYING, "I FORGIVE THEPEOPLE WHO KILLED THEM.
  • 00:08:04.229 --> 00:08:05.830
  • PEOPLE WHO KILLED THEM.I LOVE AFGHANISTAN.
  • 00:08:05.830 --> 00:08:07.566
  • THERE ISN'T A HUMAN WAY OF
  • 00:08:09.634 --> 00:08:11.369
  • THERE ISN'T A HUMAN WAY OFFIGURING THAT OUT.
  • 00:08:11.369 --> 00:08:12.704
  • FIGURING THAT OUT.THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF
  • 00:08:12.704 --> 00:08:14.773
  • THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE IFGOD IS REAL AND IF GOD
  • 00:08:14.773 --> 00:08:15.874
  • SO, AS YOU SAY, IT'S ONE
  • 00:08:17.409 --> 00:08:18.677
  • SO, AS YOU SAY, IT'S ONEOF THOSE THINGS THAT
  • 00:08:18.677 --> 00:08:20.045
  • OF THOSE THINGS THATREALLY SHINES THE LIGHT ON
  • 00:08:20.045 --> 00:08:21.546
  • REALLY SHINES THE LIGHT ONTHE REALITY OF THE GOSPEL
  • 00:08:21.546 --> 00:08:23.181
  • THE REALITY OF THE GOSPELBECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN
  • 00:08:23.181 --> 00:08:25.350
  • BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXPLAINIT IN HUMAN REASONING.
  • 00:08:25.350 --> 00:08:26.618
  • IT IN HUMAN REASONING.- ERIC: SO, TODD, TELL US
  • 00:08:26.618 --> 00:08:30.121
  • - ERIC: SO, TODD, TELL USSOME MORE OF THESE STORIES.
  • 00:08:30.121 --> 00:08:30.922
  • SOME MORE OF THESE STORIES.I MEAN, THE BOOK CONTAINS,
  • 00:08:30.922 --> 00:08:32.223
  • I MEAN, THE BOOK CONTAINS,YOU SAID, A LOT OF THE
  • 00:08:32.223 --> 00:08:33.692
  • YOU SAID, A LOT OF THESTORIES FROM THE 1999
  • 00:08:33.692 --> 00:08:35.160
  • STORIES FROM THE 1999VERSION, BUT THEN YOU'VE
  • 00:08:35.160 --> 00:08:37.862
  • VERSION, BUT THEN YOU'VEUPDATED IT WITH STORIES
  • 00:08:37.862 --> 00:08:38.763
  • UPDATED IT WITH STORIESFROM THE LAST 21 YEARS.
  • 00:08:38.763 --> 00:08:39.331
  • FROM THE LAST 21 YEARS.- TODD: WELL, ONE OF THE
  • 00:08:39.331 --> 00:08:41.166
  • - TODD: WELL, ONE OF THESTORIES THAT IS MY FAVORITE--
  • 00:08:41.166 --> 00:08:44.135
  • STORIES THAT IS MY FAVORITE--AND IT'S ONE THAT CARRIED
  • 00:08:44.135 --> 00:08:44.869
  • AND IT'S ONE THAT CARRIEDOVER FROM THE ORIGINAL EDITION--
  • 00:08:44.869 --> 00:08:46.972
  • OVER FROM THE ORIGINAL EDITION--IS THE STORY OF TROFIM DIMITROV.
  • 00:08:46.972 --> 00:08:49.174
  • IS THE STORY OF TROFIM DIMITROV.HE WAS A CHRISTIAN LIVING
  • 00:08:49.174 --> 00:08:50.408
  • HE WAS A CHRISTIAN LIVINGBEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN
  • 00:08:50.408 --> 00:08:51.576
  • BEHIND THE IRON CURTAINDURING THE SOVIET UNION
  • 00:08:51.576 --> 00:08:53.511
  • DURING THE SOVIET UNIONTIMES, AND THE BOOK TELLS
  • 00:08:53.511 --> 00:08:54.112
  • TIMES, AND THE BOOK TELLSTHE STORY.
  • 00:08:54.112 --> 00:08:55.180
  • THE STORY.THE GUARDS WERE DETERMINED
  • 00:08:55.180 --> 00:08:56.147
  • THE GUARDS WERE DETERMINEDTO BREAK HIM.
  • 00:08:56.147 --> 00:08:56.915
  • TO BREAK HIM.THEY WERE DETERMINED TO
  • 00:08:56.915 --> 00:08:58.817
  • THEY WERE DETERMINED TOBREAK HIS FAITH IN CHRIST.
  • 00:08:58.817 --> 00:09:00.018
  • BREAK HIS FAITH IN CHRIST.THEY CARRIED HIM TO THE
  • 00:09:00.018 --> 00:09:01.820
  • THEY CARRIED HIM TO THEEDGE OF A PIT FILLED WITH
  • 00:09:01.820 --> 00:09:03.054
  • EDGE OF A PIT FILLED WITHDOGS, AND THEY THREW HIM
  • 00:09:03.054 --> 00:09:06.358
  • AND THEY KIND OF BACKED
  • 00:09:07.492 --> 00:09:08.727
  • AND THEY KIND OF BACKEDAWAY, AND THEY HEARD THE
  • 00:09:08.727 --> 00:09:09.794
  • AWAY, AND THEY HEARD THEDOGS GOING CRAZY, AND THEY
  • 00:09:09.794 --> 00:09:11.863
  • DOGS GOING CRAZY, AND THEYTHOUGHT, "WELL, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:11.863 --> 00:09:13.131
  • THOUGHT, "WELL, YOU KNOW,THIS IS THE END OF TROFIM.
  • 00:09:13.131 --> 00:09:13.865
  • THIS IS THE END OF TROFIM.THIS IS THE END OF HIS
  • 00:09:13.865 --> 00:09:14.599
  • THIS IS THE END OF HISFAITH."
  • 00:09:14.599 --> 00:09:15.867
  • FAITH."BUT THEN, AS THEY
  • 00:09:15.867 --> 00:09:17.168
  • BUT THEN, AS THEYSTEPPED FORWARD AND LOOKED
  • 00:09:17.168 --> 00:09:18.603
  • STEPPED FORWARD AND LOOKEDDOWN INTO THE PIT,
  • 00:09:18.603 --> 00:09:19.771
  • DOWN INTO THE PIT,WHAT THEY SAW WAS
  • 00:09:19.771 --> 00:09:21.506
  • WHAT THEY SAW WASTROFIM DIMITROV KNEELING
  • 00:09:21.506 --> 00:09:23.842
  • TROFIM DIMITROV KNEELINGIN PRAYER AT THE BOTTOM OF
  • 00:09:23.842 --> 00:09:26.177
  • IN PRAYER AT THE BOTTOM OFTHIS PIT, AND THESE WILD
  • 00:09:26.177 --> 00:09:28.179
  • THIS PIT, AND THESE WILDDOGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:09:28.179 --> 00:09:29.347
  • DOGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TOBE ATTACKING HIM, ACTUALLY
  • 00:09:29.347 --> 00:09:31.483
  • BE ATTACKING HIM, ACTUALLYTRYING TO CLIMB THE WALLS
  • 00:09:31.483 --> 00:09:33.451
  • TRYING TO CLIMB THE WALLSAND GET OUT OF THE PIT.
  • 00:09:33.451 --> 00:09:34.119
  • AND GET OUT OF THE PIT.[LAUGHS]
  • 00:09:34.119 --> 00:09:35.286
  • [LAUGHS]THE DOGS WANTED NOTHING TO
  • 00:09:35.286 --> 00:09:36.154
  • THE DOGS WANTED NOTHING TODO WITH HIM.
  • 00:09:36.154 --> 00:09:36.821
  • DO WITH HIM.THEY WANTED TO GET AWAY
  • 00:09:36.821 --> 00:09:37.656
  • THEY WANTED TO GET AWAYFROM HIM.
  • 00:09:37.656 --> 00:09:39.591
  • FROM HIM.AND YOU THINK ABOUT IT:
  • 00:09:39.591 --> 00:09:40.358
  • AND YOU THINK ABOUT IT:YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT
  • 00:09:40.358 --> 00:09:41.326
  • YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUTTHE PROOFS OF GOD'S
  • 00:09:41.326 --> 00:09:42.494
  • WHAT DID THOSE GUARDS
  • 00:09:44.195 --> 00:09:45.330
  • WHAT DID THOSE GUARDSTHINK WHEN THEY LOOK DOWN
  • 00:09:45.330 --> 00:09:46.698
  • THINK WHEN THEY LOOK DOWNIN THAT PIT AND THEY SEE
  • 00:09:46.698 --> 00:09:47.499
  • IN THAT PIT AND THEY SEETHE DOGS TRYING TO GET
  • 00:09:47.499 --> 00:09:49.567
  • THE DOGS TRYING TO GETAWAY FROM THE PRAYING MAN?
  • 00:09:49.567 --> 00:09:52.504
  • AWAY FROM THE PRAYING MAN?ANOTHER PROOF THAT GOD IS
  • 00:09:52.504 --> 00:09:53.938
  • ANOTHER PROOF THAT GOD ISREAL AND THAT HE'S ABLE TO
  • 00:09:53.938 --> 00:09:55.907
  • - ERIC: LISTEN, THOSE
  • 00:09:57.609 --> 00:09:59.944
  • - ERIC: LISTEN, THOSESTORIES, YOU CAN NEVER
  • 00:09:59.944 --> 00:10:00.845
  • STORIES, YOU CAN NEVERPROVE THESE THINGS BECAUSE
  • 00:10:00.845 --> 00:10:01.846
  • PROVE THESE THINGS BECAUSETHERE ARE PEOPLE
  • 00:10:01.846 --> 00:10:03.448
  • THERE ARE PEOPLETHAT--SOME PEOPLE WILL
  • 00:10:03.448 --> 00:10:05.917
  • THAT--SOME PEOPLE WILLJUST REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE
  • 00:10:05.917 --> 00:10:07.085
  • JUST REFUSE TO LOOK AT THEEVIDENCE AND TO LOOK AT
  • 00:10:07.085 --> 00:10:09.454
  • EVIDENCE AND TO LOOK ATTHE PROOF, OR I SHOULD
  • 00:10:09.454 --> 00:10:10.155
  • THE PROOF, OR I SHOULDSAY, YOU CAN NEVER
  • 00:10:10.155 --> 00:10:11.322
  • SAY, YOU CAN NEVERCONVINCE SOME PEOPLE EVEN
  • 00:10:11.322 --> 00:10:12.323
  • CONVINCE SOME PEOPLE EVENWHEN YOU HAVE PROOF, BUT I
  • 00:10:12.323 --> 00:10:13.458
  • WHEN YOU HAVE PROOF, BUT ITHINK IT'S VITAL THAT WE
  • 00:10:13.458 --> 00:10:15.060
  • THINK IT'S VITAL THAT WECONVINCE OURSELVES.
  • 00:10:15.060 --> 00:10:16.761
  • CONVINCE OURSELVES.WHEN WE READ STORIES LIKE
  • 00:10:16.761 --> 00:10:18.697
  • WHEN WE READ STORIES LIKETHIS, MOST PEOPLE WITH A
  • 00:10:18.697 --> 00:10:20.198
  • THIS, MOST PEOPLE WITH ASLIGHTLY OPEN MIND KNOW
  • 00:10:20.198 --> 00:10:22.867
  • SLIGHTLY OPEN MIND KNOWTHIS HAPPENED.
  • 00:10:22.867 --> 00:10:24.536
  • THIS HAPPENED.THIS IS NOT MADE UP.
  • 00:10:24.536 --> 00:10:25.437
  • THIS IS NOT MADE UP.IT'S NOT A FAIRY TALE.
  • 00:10:25.437 --> 00:10:26.671
  • IT'S NOT A FAIRY TALE.IT'S NOT ONE OF THESE
  • 00:10:26.671 --> 00:10:27.605
  • IT'S NOT ONE OF THESESTORIES OF THE SAINTS FROM
  • 00:10:27.605 --> 00:10:28.940
  • STORIES OF THE SAINTS FROMTHE FIFTH CENTURY THAT
  • 00:10:28.940 --> 00:10:30.108
  • THE FIFTH CENTURY THATJUST SOUNDS SILLY.
  • 00:10:30.108 --> 00:10:31.676
  • JUST SOUNDS SILLY.THIS IS REAL.
  • 00:10:31.676 --> 00:10:33.011
  • THIS IS REAL.THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN SO LONG
  • 00:10:33.011 --> 00:10:34.345
  • WE HAVE WITNESSES.
  • 00:10:36.281 --> 00:10:38.216
  • WE HAVE WITNESSES.AND WE HEAR STORIES LIKE
  • 00:10:38.216 --> 00:10:39.250
  • AND WE HEAR STORIES LIKETHIS FROM THE MISSION
  • 00:10:39.250 --> 00:10:41.453
  • THIS FROM THE MISSIONFIELD, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:10:41.453 --> 00:10:42.387
  • FIELD, BUT IF YOU'RE NOTHEARING THESE STORIES
  • 00:10:42.387 --> 00:10:43.288
  • HEARING THESE STORIESOFTEN ENOUGH, YOU FORGET
  • 00:10:43.288 --> 00:10:44.689
  • YOU FORGET THAT HE IS
  • 00:10:47.025 --> 00:10:48.727
  • YOU FORGET THAT HE ISREAL, THAT HE IS POWERFUL,
  • 00:10:48.727 --> 00:10:49.961
  • REAL, THAT HE IS POWERFUL,THAT HE DOES STORIES, THAT
  • 00:10:49.961 --> 00:10:51.196
  • THAT HE DOES STORIES, THATHE DOES THINGS LIKE THIS.
  • 00:10:51.196 --> 00:10:52.030
  • HE DOES THINGS LIKE THIS.DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GONNA DO
  • 00:10:52.030 --> 00:10:52.897
  • DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GONNA DOIT EVERY TIME.
  • 00:10:52.897 --> 00:10:54.032
  • IT EVERY TIME.MANY PEOPLE ARE THROWN TO
  • 00:10:54.032 --> 00:10:54.966
  • AND THEY'RE KILLED, BUT
  • 00:10:56.668 --> 00:10:57.802
  • AND THEY'RE KILLED, BUTTHE POINT IS WE NEED TO
  • 00:10:57.802 --> 00:10:58.737
  • THE POINT IS WE NEED TOKNOW THESE STORIES.
  • 00:10:58.737 --> 00:10:59.804
  • KNOW THESE STORIES.WE NEED TO HEAR THESE
  • 00:10:59.804 --> 00:11:00.839
  • WE NEED TO HEAR THESESTORIES AND SHARE THESE
  • 00:11:00.839 --> 00:11:01.940
  • SO THAT'S ONE OF THE
  • 00:11:03.608 --> 00:11:04.709
  • SO THAT'S ONE OF THEREASONS I WANTED TO HAVE
  • 00:11:04.709 --> 00:11:05.610
  • REASONS I WANTED TO HAVEYOU ON THE PROGRAM BECAUSE
  • 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:07.145
  • YOU ON THE PROGRAM BECAUSEI THINK PEOPLE NEED THIS
  • 00:11:07.145 --> 00:11:08.046
  • I THINK PEOPLE NEED THISFOR THEIR OWN FAITH.
  • 00:11:08.046 --> 00:11:09.981
  • FOR THEIR OWN FAITH.WE ARE STRENGTHENED
  • 00:11:09.981 --> 00:11:13.251
  • WE ARE STRENGTHENEDPROFOUNDLY IN OUR FAITH
  • 00:11:13.251 --> 00:11:13.818
  • SO THE BOOK IS "JESUS FREAKS,"
  • 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:15.620
  • SO THE BOOK IS "JESUS FREAKS,"BRAND-NEW EDITION.
  • 00:11:15.620 --> 00:11:16.588
  • WE ALL LONG FOR A WORLD IN
  • 00:11:20.158 --> 00:11:21.426
  • WE ALL LONG FOR A WORLD INWHICH GOD DOES STUFF LIKE
  • 00:11:21.426 --> 00:11:23.228
  • WHICH GOD DOES STUFF LIKETHIS, AND IF WE DON'T
  • 00:11:23.228 --> 00:11:24.028
  • THIS, AND IF WE DON'TSHARE THESE STORIES, WE
  • 00:11:24.028 --> 00:11:25.263
  • SHARE THESE STORIES, WEFORGET THAT WE DO LIVE IN
  • 00:11:25.263 --> 00:11:26.297
  • THAT ALL AROUND US, THIS
  • 00:11:27.699 --> 00:11:29.601
  • THAT ALL AROUND US, THISGOD IS ACTING.
  • 00:11:29.601 --> 00:11:30.735
  • GOD IS ACTING.IF WE DON'T SHARE THESE
  • 00:11:30.735 --> 00:11:32.003
  • IF WE DON'T SHARE THESESTORIES, WHETHER THEY
  • 00:11:32.003 --> 00:11:33.138
  • STORIES, WHETHER THEYHAPPEN TO US OR OTHERS, IN
  • 00:11:33.138 --> 00:11:34.272
  • HAPPEN TO US OR OTHERS, INA WAY, WE'RE NEGLIGENT.
  • 00:11:34.272 --> 00:11:35.573
  • A WAY, WE'RE NEGLIGENT.WE'RE GUILTY.
  • 00:11:35.573 --> 00:11:36.741
  • WE'RE GUILTY.WE'RE ALLOWING A FALSE
  • 00:11:36.741 --> 00:11:38.343
  • WE'RE ALLOWING A FALSENARRATIVE OF A WORLD
  • 00:11:38.343 --> 00:11:40.044
  • NARRATIVE OF A WORLDWITHOUT GOD TO CONTINUE.
  • 00:11:40.044 --> 00:11:41.446
  • WITHOUT GOD TO CONTINUE.THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND
  • 00:11:41.446 --> 00:11:43.148
  • THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ANDOFTEN THE CONSERVATIVE
  • 00:11:43.148 --> 00:11:44.015
  • OFTEN THE CONSERVATIVEMEDIA, THEY SHY AWAY FROM
  • 00:11:44.015 --> 00:11:45.917
  • MEDIA, THEY SHY AWAY FROMTHESE KINDS OF STORIES.
  • 00:11:45.917 --> 00:11:47.018
  • THESE KINDS OF STORIES.IT MAKES THEM
  • 00:11:47.018 --> 00:11:47.952
  • IT MAKES THEMUNCOMFORTABLE.
  • 00:11:47.952 --> 00:11:48.720
  • UNCOMFORTABLE.WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING
  • 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:50.789
  • WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHINGWE CAN TO TELL THESE
  • 00:11:50.789 --> 00:11:51.756
  • WE CAN TO TELL THESEAMAZING STORIES.
  • 00:11:51.756 --> 00:11:52.724
  • AMAZING STORIES.I MEAN, THAT IS-- THAT'S
  • 00:11:52.724 --> 00:11:53.758
  • I MEAN, THAT IS-- THAT'SEXTRAORDINARY.
  • 00:11:53.758 --> 00:11:54.726
  • EXTRAORDINARY.WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?
  • 00:11:54.726 --> 00:11:55.693
  • WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?I ASSUME THAT WAS DURING
  • 00:11:55.693 --> 00:11:57.295
  • I ASSUME THAT WAS DURINGTHE SOVIET TIMES?
  • 00:11:57.295 --> 00:11:57.829
  • THE SOVIET TIMES?- TODD: THAT WAS DURING
  • 00:11:57.829 --> 00:12:00.231
  • - TODD: THAT WAS DURINGTHE SOVIET TIMES IN THE 1960s.
  • 00:12:00.231 --> 00:12:01.199
  • THE SOVIET TIMES IN THE 1960s.- ERIC: THE WICKEDNESS
  • 00:12:01.199 --> 00:12:02.801
  • - ERIC: THE WICKEDNESSTHAT COMMUNIST REGIMES
  • 00:12:02.801 --> 00:12:05.270
  • THAT COMMUNIST REGIMESBROUGHT TO CHRISTIANS, IN
  • 00:12:05.270 --> 00:12:06.137
  • BROUGHT TO CHRISTIANS, INPARTICULAR, IT'S JUST
  • 00:12:06.137 --> 00:12:08.039
  • PARTICULAR, IT'S JUSTANOTHER STORY THAT NEEDS
  • 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:09.407
  • WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:12:11.242 --> 00:12:12.043
  • WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUTCOMMUNISTS OR ABOUT
  • 00:12:12.043 --> 00:12:13.678
  • COMMUNISTS OR ABOUTMARXISM, WHAT THEIR WORLD
  • 00:12:13.678 --> 00:12:14.512
  • I KNOW THAT RICHARD WURMBRAND--
  • 00:12:16.114 --> 00:12:17.582
  • I KNOW THAT RICHARD WURMBRAND--I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAD THE
  • 00:12:17.582 --> 00:12:18.783
  • I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAD THEPRIVILEGE TO MEET HIM AND
  • 00:12:18.783 --> 00:12:20.518
  • PRIVILEGE TO MEET HIM ANDSABINA, HIS WIFE, BEFORE
  • 00:12:20.518 --> 00:12:24.222
  • SABINA, HIS WIFE, BEFORETHEY PASSED, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:12:24.222 --> 00:12:24.756
  • THEY PASSED, OBVIOUSLY,BUT HE UNDERWENT
  • 00:12:24.756 --> 00:12:25.323
  • BUT HE UNDERWENTUNSPEAKABLE HORRORS,
  • 00:12:25.323 --> 00:12:26.424
  • UNSPEAKABLE HORRORS,AND HIS FAITH WAS JUST
  • 00:12:26.424 --> 00:12:27.559
  • AND HIS FAITH WAS JUSTSO BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:28.226
  • SO BEAUTIFUL.I HEARD HIM PREACH AT
  • 00:12:28.226 --> 00:12:29.727
  • I HEARD HIM PREACH ATTIMES SQUARE CHURCH, HERE
  • 00:12:29.727 --> 00:12:30.628
  • THE CHURCH FOUNDED BY
  • 00:12:31.830 --> 00:12:33.164
  • THE CHURCH FOUNDED BYDAVID WILKERSON, WHERE I
  • 00:12:33.164 --> 00:12:35.233
  • DAVID WILKERSON, WHERE IMET MY WIFE, AND HE
  • 00:12:35.233 --> 00:12:37.168
  • MET MY WIFE, AND HESPOKE, AND I WAS JUST-- I
  • 00:12:37.168 --> 00:12:38.570
  • SPOKE, AND I WAS JUST-- IWAS JUST OVER-OVERWHELMED
  • 00:12:38.570 --> 00:12:39.838
  • WAS JUST OVER-OVERWHELMEDWITH THE POWER OF GOD IN
  • 00:12:39.838 --> 00:12:41.506
  • WITH THE POWER OF GOD INHIS LIFE.
  • 00:12:41.506 --> 00:12:42.440
  • HIS LIFE.IT'S A VERY RARE THING,
  • 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:43.441
  • IT'S A VERY RARE THING,AND SO, WHEN YOU CAPTURE
  • 00:12:43.441 --> 00:12:44.976
  • IT JUST MAKES IT POSSIBLE
  • 00:12:46.244 --> 00:12:47.178
  • IT JUST MAKES IT POSSIBLEFOR MORE PEOPLE TO
  • 00:12:47.178 --> 00:12:48.012
  • FOR MORE PEOPLE TOEXPERIENCE IT, SO I'M
  • 00:12:48.012 --> 00:12:49.647
  • EXPERIENCE IT, SO I'MASSUMING PEOPLE CAN GET
  • 00:12:49.647 --> 00:12:51.182
  • ASSUMING PEOPLE CAN GETTHE BOOK EVERYWHERE, OR IS
  • 00:12:51.182 --> 00:12:52.684
  • THE BOOK EVERYWHERE, OR ISTHERE-- SHOULD THEY GO TO
  • 00:12:52.684 --> 00:12:53.585
  • - TODD: YOU CAN COME TO
  • 00:12:54.652 --> 00:12:55.353
  • - TODD: YOU CAN COME TOPERSECUTION.COM, WHICH IS
  • 00:12:55.353 --> 00:12:56.788
  • PERSECUTION.COM, WHICH ISTHE MAIN VOM WEBSITE.
  • 00:12:56.788 --> 00:12:57.555
  • THE MAIN VOM WEBSITE.YOU CAN BUY IT, THOUGH,
  • 00:12:57.555 --> 00:12:58.223
  • YOU CAN BUY IT, THOUGH,WHEREVER.
  • 00:12:58.223 --> 00:12:58.790
  • WHEREVER.WHEREVER BOOKS ARE SOLD,
  • 00:12:58.790 --> 00:12:59.424
  • WHEREVER BOOKS ARE SOLD,IT IS AVAILABLE.
  • 00:12:59.424 --> 00:13:01.226
  • IT IS AVAILABLE.AND I AGREE WITH YOU, AND
  • 00:13:01.226 --> 00:13:01.759
  • AND I AGREE WITH YOU, ANDI THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.428
  • I THINK ONE OF THE THINGSTHAT HAPPENS AS WE READ
  • 00:13:03.428 --> 00:13:05.230
  • THAT HAPPENS AS WE READTHESE STORIES IS WE PUT
  • 00:13:05.230 --> 00:13:06.931
  • THESE STORIES IS WE PUTOURSELVES IN THE STORY:
  • 00:13:06.931 --> 00:13:07.966
  • OURSELVES IN THE STORY:"OKAY, WHAT WOULD I DO IN
  • 00:13:07.966 --> 00:13:10.802
  • WHAT WOULD I DO IF THEY
  • 00:13:11.903 --> 00:13:12.871
  • WHAT WOULD I DO IF THEYSAID, 'DENY YOUR FAITH OR
  • 00:13:12.871 --> 00:13:14.205
  • SAID, 'DENY YOUR FAITH ORBE SHOT'?
  • 00:13:14.205 --> 00:13:15.707
  • BE SHOT'?HOW WOULD I RESPOND TO THAT?"
  • 00:13:15.707 --> 00:13:17.375
  • HOW WOULD I RESPOND TO THAT?"AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK
  • 00:13:17.375 --> 00:13:18.509
  • AND, YOU KNOW, I THINKTHAT'S A FAITH-BUILDING
  • 00:13:18.509 --> 00:13:19.644
  • THAT'S A FAITH-BUILDINGQUESTION BECAUSE I THINK
  • 00:13:19.644 --> 00:13:20.445
  • QUESTION BECAUSE I THINKMOST OF US, IF WE'RE BEING
  • 00:13:20.445 --> 00:13:21.579
  • WE SAY, "BOY, I'M NOT 100%
  • 00:13:22.881 --> 00:13:23.681
  • WE SAY, "BOY, I'M NOT 100%SURE WHAT WOULD I DO, SO I
  • 00:13:23.681 --> 00:13:25.216
  • SURE WHAT WOULD I DO, SO INEED TO PRAY.
  • 00:13:25.216 --> 00:13:25.650
  • NEED TO PRAY.I NEED TO GO TO THE
  • 00:13:25.650 --> 00:13:27.952
  • I NEED TO GO TO THESCRIPTURES.
  • 00:13:27.952 --> 00:13:28.786
  • SCRIPTURES.I NEED TO STRENGTHEN MY
  • 00:13:28.786 --> 00:13:29.387
  • I NEED TO STRENGTHEN MYOWN FAITH."
  • 00:13:29.387 --> 00:13:31.189
  • OWN FAITH."SO I THINK THESE STORIES
  • 00:13:31.189 --> 00:13:32.690
  • SO I THINK THESE STORIESHAVE THAT IMPACT ON
  • 00:13:32.690 --> 00:13:33.791
  • HAVE THAT IMPACT ONUS OF STRENGTHENING OUR
  • 00:13:33.791 --> 00:13:35.126
  • US OF STRENGTHENING OURFAITH AS WE ASK THAT
  • 00:13:35.126 --> 00:13:36.527
  • FAITH AS WE ASK THATQUESTION AND AS WE
  • 00:13:36.527 --> 00:13:37.528
  • QUESTION AND AS WETRY TO HONESTLY
  • 00:13:37.528 --> 00:13:38.863
  • "LORD, HELP ME TO HAVE THE
  • 00:13:40.231 --> 00:13:41.399
  • "LORD, HELP ME TO HAVE THERIGHT ANSWER.
  • 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:42.166
  • RIGHT ANSWER.HELP ME TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:13:42.166 --> 00:13:43.134
  • HELP ME TO BE ABLE TOSTAND NO MATTER WHAT THE
  • 00:13:43.134 --> 00:13:44.669
  • - ERIC: I THINK THAT THE
  • 00:13:46.237 --> 00:13:47.672
  • - ERIC: I THINK THAT THECOURAGE OF MANY CHRISTIANS
  • 00:13:47.672 --> 00:13:48.907
  • COURAGE OF MANY CHRISTIANSIN THE WEST TODAY IS NOT
  • 00:13:48.907 --> 00:13:50.708
  • IN THE WEST TODAY IS NOTSTRONG, WHICH MEANS THAT
  • 00:13:50.708 --> 00:13:52.243
  • STRONG, WHICH MEANS THATOUR FAITH IS NOT STRONG
  • 00:13:52.243 --> 00:13:52.810
  • OUR FAITH IS NOT STRONGBECAUSE, IF WE KNOW THESE
  • 00:13:52.810 --> 00:13:54.312
  • BECAUSE, IF WE KNOW THESETHINGS, IF WE KNOW JESUS
  • 00:13:54.312 --> 00:13:58.716
  • THINGS, IF WE KNOW JESUSHAS ACTUALLY DEFEATED DEATH--
  • 00:13:58.716 --> 00:13:59.450
  • HAS ACTUALLY DEFEATED DEATH--IT'S NOT A NICE IDEA,
  • 00:13:59.450 --> 00:14:00.485
  • IT'S NOT A NICE IDEA,IT'S TRUE--
  • 00:14:00.485 --> 00:14:00.985
  • IT'S TRUE--WE'D LIVE DIFFERENTLY.
  • 00:14:00.985 --> 00:14:01.686
  • WE'D LIVE DIFFERENTLY.BONHOEFFER BELIEVED THAT A
  • 00:14:01.686 --> 00:14:03.154
  • BONHOEFFER BELIEVED THAT ALOT OF THE PEOPLE-- OR ALL
  • 00:14:03.154 --> 00:14:04.255
  • LOT OF THE PEOPLE-- OR ALLTHE PEOPLE IN THE BOOK,
  • 00:14:04.255 --> 00:14:05.223
  • THE PEOPLE IN THE BOOK,"JESUS FREAKS," BELIEVE
  • 00:14:05.223 --> 00:14:07.892
  • IF WE WANT TO SHINE FOR THE
  • 00:14:11.262 --> 00:14:12.497
  • IF WE WANT TO SHINE FOR THEKINGDOM, WE NEED TO
  • 00:14:12.497 --> 00:14:13.464
  • KINGDOM, WE NEED TOACQUAINT OURSELVES WITH
  • 00:14:13.464 --> 00:14:14.065
  • ACQUAINT OURSELVES WITHTHESE STORIES SO THAT OUR
  • 00:14:14.065 --> 00:14:15.533
  • THESE STORIES SO THAT OURFAITH IS INCREASED, AND,
  • 00:14:15.533 --> 00:14:16.501
  • FAITH IS INCREASED, AND,TO ME, IT'S MAGIC.
  • 00:14:16.501 --> 00:14:17.402
  • TO ME, IT'S MAGIC.WHEN YOU READ THESE
  • 00:14:17.402 --> 00:14:18.903
  • WHEN YOU READ THESESTORIES, YOUR FAITH
  • 00:14:18.903 --> 00:14:19.570
  • STORIES, YOUR FAITHINCREASES.
  • 00:14:19.570 --> 00:14:20.305
  • IT'S GOD'S WAY OF
  • 00:14:21.806 --> 00:14:24.142
  • IT'S GOD'S WAY OFCOMMUNICATING WITH US
  • 00:14:24.142 --> 00:14:25.443
  • COMMUNICATING WITH USTHROUGH OTHER PEOPLE,
  • 00:14:25.443 --> 00:14:26.911
  • THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE,THROUGH STORIES ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:14:26.911 --> 00:14:29.213
  • THROUGH STORIES ALL THE TIME.I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS
  • 00:14:29.213 --> 00:14:30.915
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT ISEXACTLY, BUT IT HAPPENS.
  • 00:14:30.915 --> 00:14:32.483
  • EXACTLY, BUT IT HAPPENS.WHEN YOU READ THESE
  • 00:14:32.483 --> 00:14:33.785
  • WHEN YOU READ THESESTORIES, SOMETHING HAPPENS
  • 00:14:33.785 --> 00:14:35.386
  • STORIES, SOMETHING HAPPENSINSIDE YOU, AND SO I SAY
  • 00:14:35.386 --> 00:14:36.187
  • INSIDE YOU, AND SO I SAYTHIS TO PEOPLE.
  • 00:14:36.187 --> 00:14:36.754
  • THIS TO PEOPLE.I CAN'T THINK OF AN EASIER
  • 00:14:36.754 --> 00:14:38.389
  • I CAN'T THINK OF AN EASIERWAY TO INCREASE YOUR
  • 00:14:38.389 --> 00:14:39.324
  • WAY TO INCREASE YOURFAITH, TO INCREASE YOUR
  • 00:14:39.324 --> 00:14:42.560
  • FAITH, TO INCREASE YOURABILITY TO STAND IN THE
  • 00:14:42.560 --> 00:14:43.828
  • ABILITY TO STAND IN THEFACE OF WHAT ARE EXTREMELY
  • 00:14:43.828 --> 00:14:46.230
  • FACE OF WHAT ARE EXTREMELYMINOR DIFFICULTIES
  • 00:14:46.230 --> 00:14:47.432
  • MINOR DIFFICULTIESCOMPARED TO WHAT THESE
  • 00:14:47.432 --> 00:14:48.399
  • BUT, NONETHELESS, WE NEED
  • 00:14:49.567 --> 00:14:51.035
  • BUT, NONETHELESS, WE NEEDTO STAND NOW FOR WHAT IS
  • 00:14:51.035 --> 00:14:52.203
  • TO STAND NOW FOR WHAT ISRIGHT.
  • 00:14:52.203 --> 00:14:53.237
  • RIGHT.WE SHOULDN'T JUST WAIT
  • 00:14:53.237 --> 00:14:54.772
  • WE SHOULDN'T JUST WAITTILL WE'RE ABOUT TO BE
  • 00:14:54.772 --> 00:14:56.240
  • TILL WE'RE ABOUT TO BETHROWN TO THE DOGS.
  • 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:57.342
  • THROWN TO THE DOGS.TODAY, EVERY DAY, WE HAVE
  • 00:14:57.342 --> 00:14:58.443
  • TODAY, EVERY DAY, WE HAVECHOICES THAT WE CAN MAKE
  • 00:14:58.443 --> 00:14:59.944
  • CHOICES THAT WE CAN MAKEIN WHAT WE SAY AND HOW WE
  • 00:14:59.944 --> 00:15:01.612
  • SO HOW MANY STORIES ARE IN
  • 00:15:03.214 --> 00:15:05.883
  • SO HOW MANY STORIES ARE INTHIS BOOK?
  • 00:15:05.883 --> 00:15:06.451
  • THIS BOOK?- TODD: OOH, THAT IS A
  • 00:15:06.451 --> 00:15:07.919
  • - TODD: OOH, THAT IS AGOOD QUESTION, AND I
  • 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:08.853
  • GOOD QUESTION, AND ISHOULD'VE HAD THAT.
  • 00:15:08.853 --> 00:15:09.387
  • SHOULD'VE HAD THAT.- ERIC: I MEAN, IT'S A
  • 00:15:09.387 --> 00:15:09.988
  • - ERIC: I MEAN, IT'S ALOT, I GUESS.
  • 00:15:09.988 --> 00:15:10.755
  • LOT, I GUESS.- TODD: I WANNA SAY IT'S
  • 00:15:10.755 --> 00:15:12.724
  • - TODD: I WANNA SAY IT'S150-ISH.
  • 00:15:12.724 --> 00:15:13.257
  • 150-ISH.- ERIC: WOW, SOUNDS LIKE
  • 00:15:13.257 --> 00:15:14.258
  • - ERIC: WOW, SOUNDS LIKEA BIG BOOK.
  • 00:15:14.258 --> 00:15:17.495
  • A BIG BOOK.LOOK, AGAIN, I CAN'T THINK
  • 00:15:17.495 --> 00:15:19.197
  • LOOK, AGAIN, I CAN'T THINKOF WHAT A WONDERFUL THING
  • 00:15:19.197 --> 00:15:20.631
  • OF WHAT A WONDERFUL THINGTO READ EVERY DAY AS PART
  • 00:15:20.631 --> 00:15:21.766
  • TO READ EVERY DAY AS PARTOF YOUR DEVOTION, OR IT'S
  • 00:15:21.766 --> 00:15:24.235
  • OF YOUR DEVOTION, OR IT'SJUST-- THERE'S JUST
  • 00:15:24.235 --> 00:15:25.169
  • JUST-- THERE'S JUSTNOTHING MORE BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:15:25.169 --> 00:15:27.171
  • AND IT JUST DOESN'T GET
  • 00:15:30.108 --> 00:15:31.776
  • AND IT JUST DOESN'T GETMORE REAL THAN THIS.
  • 00:15:31.776 --> 00:15:33.111
  • MORE REAL THAN THIS.I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF
  • 00:15:33.111 --> 00:15:34.245
  • I HAVE BEEN A FAN OFVOICE OF THE MARTYRS SINCE
  • 00:15:34.245 --> 00:15:37.315
  • SINCE I WAS AWARE OF THE
  • 00:15:38.883 --> 00:15:40.985
  • SINCE I WAS AWARE OF THEWORK THAT YOU ALL ARE
  • 00:15:40.985 --> 00:15:41.552
  • WORK THAT YOU ALL AREDOING, SO I'M JUST EXCITED
  • 00:15:41.552 --> 00:15:42.053
  • DOING, SO I'M JUST EXCITEDTHAT YOU GUYS EXIST.
  • 00:15:42.053 --> 00:15:42.754
  • THAT YOU GUYS EXIST.PERSECUTION.COM, THAT'S A
  • 00:15:42.754 --> 00:15:43.488
  • PERSECUTION.COM, THAT'S APRETTY GOOD URL.
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  • PRETTY GOOD URL.I THINK YOU SHOULD STICK
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  • I THINK YOU SHOULD STICKWITH THAT.
  • 00:15:45.490 --> 00:15:46.657
  • BRAND-NEW BOOK.
  • 00:15:47.992 --> 00:15:49.527
  • BRAND-NEW BOOK.I HOPE EVERYBODY LISTENING
  • 00:15:49.527 --> 00:15:51.029
  • I REALLY THINK THAT THIS
  • 00:15:52.330 --> 00:15:53.998
  • I REALLY THINK THAT THISIS THE KIND OF THING-- IT
  • 00:15:53.998 --> 00:15:54.599
  • IS THE KIND OF THING-- ITMAKES A AMAZING GIFT FOR
  • 00:15:54.599 --> 00:15:55.700
  • MAKES A AMAZING GIFT FORPEOPLE BECAUSE, IF PEOPLE
  • 00:15:55.700 --> 00:15:58.202
  • PEOPLE BECAUSE, IF PEOPLESTART READING THESE
  • 00:15:58.202 --> 00:15:59.237
  • START READING THESESTORIES, THERE'S NO WAY
  • 00:15:59.237 --> 00:16:01.939
  • STORIES, THERE'S NO WAYYOU'RE GONNA BE THE SAME.
  • 00:16:01.939 --> 00:16:02.507
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE THE SAME.IT'S KIND OF THAT SIMPLE,
  • 00:16:02.507 --> 00:16:04.475
  • TODD NETTLETON, REALLY
  • 00:16:05.777 --> 00:16:06.811
  • TODD NETTLETON, REALLYGRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU DO
  • 00:16:06.811 --> 00:16:08.679
  • GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU DOAND FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
  • 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:09.680
  • AND FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:16:09.680 --> 00:16:10.782
  • GOD BLESS YOU.THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:16:10.782 --> 00:16:11.315
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH.- TODD: THANKS SO MUCH
  • 00:16:11.315 --> 00:16:11.783
  • - TODD: THANKS SO MUCHFOR HAVING ME.
  • 00:16:11.783 --> 00:16:12.984
  • FOR HAVING ME.IT'S ALWAYS FUN.
  • 00:16:12.984 --> 00:16:15.003
  • FOR HAVING ME.IT'S ALWAYS FUN.
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,
  • 00:16:17.324 --> 00:16:18.092
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,I'M TALKING WITH
  • 00:16:18.092 --> 00:16:20.327
  • I'M TALKING WITHROBERT ORLANDO, WHO'S BEEN
  • 00:16:20.327 --> 00:16:20.928
  • ROBERT ORLANDO, WHO'S BEENON THIS PROGRAM BEFORE.
  • 00:16:20.928 --> 00:16:21.662
  • ON THIS PROGRAM BEFORE.HE IS A DOCUMENTARY
  • 00:16:21.662 --> 00:16:24.732
  • HE IS A DOCUMENTARYFILMMAKER.
  • 00:16:24.732 --> 00:16:25.266
  • FILMMAKER.HE'S A FILMMAKER AND AN
  • 00:16:25.266 --> 00:16:26.534
  • THE NEW BOOK OUT IS CALLED
  • 00:16:27.601 --> 00:16:30.738
  • THE NEW BOOK OUT IS CALLED"THE TRAGEDY OF PATTON."
  • 00:16:30.738 --> 00:16:31.639
  • "THE TRAGEDY OF PATTON."IT CAME OUT ON VETERANS DAY.
  • 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.374
  • IT CAME OUT ON VETERANS DAY.ROBERT ORLANDO, WELCOME BACK.
  • 00:16:33.374 --> 00:16:34.475
  • ROBERT ORLANDO, WELCOME BACK.- ROBERT: GREAT TO BE
  • 00:16:34.475 --> 00:16:36.277
  • - ERIC: LISTEN, "THE
  • 00:16:38.546 --> 00:16:39.447
  • VERY PROVOCATIVE TITLE.
  • 00:16:40.514 --> 00:16:41.015
  • VERY PROVOCATIVE TITLE.SO BEFORE WE GET INTO
  • 00:16:41.015 --> 00:16:43.384
  • WHAT IS YOUR THESIS?
  • 00:16:45.086 --> 00:16:45.586
  • WHAT IS YOUR THESIS?WHY DID YOU TITLE THE
  • 00:16:45.586 --> 00:16:46.220
  • WHY DID YOU TITLE THEBOOK, "THE TRAGEDY OF PATTON"?
  • 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:46.720
  • BOOK, "THE TRAGEDY OF PATTON"?AND, LISTEN, THERE ARE
  • 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:47.154
  • AND, LISTEN, THERE ARESOME YOUNG PEOPLE
  • 00:16:47.154 --> 00:16:48.189
  • SOME YOUNG PEOPLELISTENING, WHO HAVE NO
  • 00:16:48.189 --> 00:16:51.659
  • LISTENING, WHO HAVE NOIDEA WHO PATTON IS, OKAY?
  • 00:16:51.659 --> 00:16:52.827
  • IDEA WHO PATTON IS, OKAY?THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OF
  • 00:16:52.827 --> 00:16:53.661
  • THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OFLINCOLN, NEVER HEARD OF
  • 00:16:53.661 --> 00:16:54.295
  • LINCOLN, NEVER HEARD OFWASHINGTON.
  • 00:16:54.295 --> 00:16:55.129
  • WASHINGTON.THEY WERE JUST BORN A FEW
  • 00:16:55.129 --> 00:16:56.063
  • THEY WERE JUST BORN A FEWYEARS AGO.
  • 00:16:56.063 --> 00:16:56.764
  • YEARS AGO.THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE
  • 00:16:56.764 --> 00:16:57.832
  • SO CAN YOU TELL MY
  • 00:16:59.733 --> 00:17:00.301
  • SO CAN YOU TELL MYAUDIENCE WHO DOESN'T KNOW
  • 00:17:00.301 --> 00:17:01.268
  • AUDIENCE WHO DOESN'T KNOWWHO PATTON IS, WHO WAS
  • 00:17:01.268 --> 00:17:03.771
  • - ROBERT: HE WAS THE
  • 00:17:04.939 --> 00:17:05.706
  • - ROBERT: HE WAS THELEADING AND MOST
  • 00:17:05.706 --> 00:17:06.307
  • LEADING AND MOSTAGGRESSIVE, MOST
  • 00:17:06.307 --> 00:17:06.974
  • AGGRESSIVE, MOSTACCOMPLISHED GENERAL OF
  • 00:17:06.974 --> 00:17:08.342
  • ACCOMPLISHED GENERAL OFWORLD WAR II.
  • 00:17:08.342 --> 00:17:10.044
  • WORLD WAR II.HE WAS BROUGHT IN LATE.
  • 00:17:10.044 --> 00:17:11.112
  • HE WAS BROUGHT IN LATE.HE WAS CONTROVERSIAL, BUT
  • 00:17:11.112 --> 00:17:12.246
  • HE WAS CONTROVERSIAL, BUTHE WOUND UP COVERING MOST
  • 00:17:12.246 --> 00:17:13.881
  • HE WOUND UP COVERING MOSTOF THE GROUND THAT INVADED
  • 00:17:13.881 --> 00:17:15.149
  • HE WENT TO FRANCE, SWEPT
  • 00:17:16.417 --> 00:17:17.084
  • HE WENT TO FRANCE, SWEPTACROSS FRANCE.
  • 00:17:17.084 --> 00:17:17.785
  • ACROSS FRANCE.HE WENT INTO GERMANY AT
  • 00:17:17.785 --> 00:17:18.652
  • HE WENT INTO GERMANY ATTHE END OF THE WAR, AND
  • 00:17:18.652 --> 00:17:19.854
  • THE END OF THE WAR, ANDTHEN HE WAS LEFT TO GOVERN
  • 00:17:19.854 --> 00:17:21.122
  • THEN HE WAS LEFT TO GOVERNIN GERMANY AFTER THE WAR,
  • 00:17:21.122 --> 00:17:23.924
  • IN GERMANY AFTER THE WAR,AND HE WAS VERY OPPOSED TO
  • 00:17:23.924 --> 00:17:24.959
  • AND HE WAS VERY OPPOSED TOTHE RUSSIAN ALLIANCE WE
  • 00:17:24.959 --> 00:17:25.593
  • THE RUSSIAN ALLIANCE WEHAD AT THE TIME, AND FOR THAT,
  • 00:17:25.593 --> 00:17:28.963
  • HAD AT THE TIME, AND FOR THAT,HE WAS A CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE,
  • 00:17:28.963 --> 00:17:30.531
  • HE WAS A CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE,BUT ALSO AT THE END OF HIS
  • 00:17:30.531 --> 00:17:33.267
  • BUT ALSO AT THE END OF HISLIFE, DECEMBER 9TH, 1945,
  • 00:17:33.267 --> 00:17:34.702
  • LIFE, DECEMBER 9TH, 1945,HE WAS DRIVING TO GO ON A
  • 00:17:34.702 --> 00:17:35.202
  • HE WAS DRIVING TO GO ON APHEASANT HUNT AND HAD AN
  • 00:17:35.202 --> 00:17:37.138
  • PHEASANT HUNT AND HAD ANACCIDENT AND, WITH THAT
  • 00:17:37.138 --> 00:17:38.205
  • ACCIDENT AND, WITH THATACCIDENT, LATER WOUND UP
  • 00:17:38.205 --> 00:17:39.106
  • ACCIDENT, LATER WOUND UPIN THE HOSPITAL AND
  • 00:17:39.106 --> 00:17:40.608
  • IN THE HOSPITAL ANDULTIMATELY DIED 12 DAYS LATER.
  • 00:17:40.608 --> 00:17:41.942
  • ULTIMATELY DIED 12 DAYS LATER.MANY BELIEVE HE WAS
  • 00:17:41.942 --> 00:17:43.944
  • MANY BELIEVE HE WASACTUALLY ASSASSINATED.
  • 00:17:43.944 --> 00:17:44.712
  • ACTUALLY ASSASSINATED.- ERIC: IF YOU DON'T MIND
  • 00:17:44.712 --> 00:17:45.579
  • - ERIC: IF YOU DON'T MINDMY ASKING YOU, SINCE
  • 00:17:45.579 --> 00:17:46.380
  • MY ASKING YOU, SINCEYOU'VE WRITTEN THE BOOK,
  • 00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:47.715
  • YOU'VE WRITTEN THE BOOK,THIS IS ONLY A FEW MONTHS
  • 00:17:47.715 --> 00:17:48.816
  • HE THINKS NOW HE CAN
  • 00:17:49.884 --> 00:17:50.584
  • HE THINKS NOW HE CANRETIRE.
  • 00:17:50.584 --> 00:17:51.118
  • WHERE WAS HE WHEN THIS
  • 00:17:54.588 --> 00:17:56.490
  • WHERE WAS HE WHEN THISACCIDENT OCCURRED?
  • 00:17:56.490 --> 00:17:57.424
  • ACCIDENT OCCURRED?- ROBERT: HE WAS IN BAVARIA.
  • 00:17:57.424 --> 00:17:57.958
  • - ROBERT: HE WAS IN BAVARIA.SO HE WAS SOMEWHERE
  • 00:17:57.958 --> 00:18:01.762
  • SO HE WAS SOMEWHEREOUTSIDE OF MANNHEIM, AND
  • 00:18:01.762 --> 00:18:02.563
  • OUTSIDE OF MANNHEIM, ANDHE WAS JUST-- A FRIEND OF
  • 00:18:02.563 --> 00:18:04.131
  • HE WAS JUST-- A FRIEND OFHIS, A GENERAL FRIEND OF
  • 00:18:04.131 --> 00:18:04.865
  • HIS, A GENERAL FRIEND OFHIS SAID, "WOULD YOU LIKE
  • 00:18:04.865 --> 00:18:07.067
  • HIS SAID, "WOULD YOU LIKETO GO FOR A PHEASANT TODAY?"
  • 00:18:07.067 --> 00:18:07.668
  • TO GO FOR A PHEASANT TODAY?"BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS
  • 00:18:07.668 --> 00:18:08.202
  • BECAUSE EVERYONE WASDEPRESSED.
  • 00:18:08.202 --> 00:18:08.802
  • DEPRESSED.HE WAS DEPRESSED AFTER THE
  • 00:18:08.802 --> 00:18:09.737
  • HE WAS DEPRESSED AFTER THEWAR BECAUSE HE COULDN'T
  • 00:18:09.737 --> 00:18:10.838
  • WAR BECAUSE HE COULDN'TSIT STILL ONCE THE BATTLE
  • 00:18:10.838 --> 00:18:12.239
  • SIT STILL ONCE THE BATTLESTOPPED, AND HE HAD BEEN
  • 00:18:12.239 --> 00:18:13.541
  • STOPPED, AND HE HAD BEENDEMOTED SO MANY TIMES.
  • 00:18:13.541 --> 00:18:14.975
  • HE WAS CORNERED AT THE
  • 00:18:17.077 --> 00:18:18.612
  • HE WAS CORNERED AT THETIME, SO GENERAL GAY, WHO
  • 00:18:18.612 --> 00:18:19.246
  • TIME, SO GENERAL GAY, WHOWAS A BUDDY OF HIS FOR
  • 00:18:19.246 --> 00:18:20.047
  • "YOU WANNA GO FOR A
  • 00:18:21.282 --> 00:18:22.183
  • "YOU WANNA GO FOR APHEASANT HUNT?"
  • 00:18:22.183 --> 00:18:23.918
  • PHEASANT HUNT?"AND THEY DID, AND THEY
  • 00:18:23.918 --> 00:18:25.352
  • AND THEY DID, AND THEYWOUND UP GETTING CAUGHT AT
  • 00:18:25.352 --> 00:18:26.187
  • WHERE THEY HAD TO LET THE
  • 00:18:27.354 --> 00:18:27.922
  • WHERE THEY HAD TO LET THETRAIN GO BY, AND WHEN THEY
  • 00:18:27.922 --> 00:18:28.856
  • TRAIN GO BY, AND WHEN THEYPULLED OUT, A
  • 00:18:28.856 --> 00:18:29.423
  • PULLED OUT, ATWO-AND-A-HALF-TON TRUCK,
  • 00:18:29.423 --> 00:18:31.025
  • TWO-AND-A-HALF-TON TRUCK,AN ARMORED VEHICLE,
  • 00:18:31.025 --> 00:18:31.992
  • AN ARMORED VEHICLE,CRASHED INTO THEM AND
  • 00:18:31.992 --> 00:18:33.561
  • AND THEN HE HAD TO GO TO
  • 00:18:35.196 --> 00:18:36.564
  • AND THEN HE HAD TO GO TOTHE HOSPITAL FOR ANOTHER
  • 00:18:36.564 --> 00:18:37.765
  • THE HOSPITAL FOR ANOTHER12 DAYS AND DIED BECAUSE
  • 00:18:37.765 --> 00:18:38.432
  • 12 DAYS AND DIED BECAUSEHE COULDN'T BREATHE ANYMORE.
  • 00:18:38.432 --> 00:18:39.300
  • HE COULDN'T BREATHE ANYMORE.- ERIC: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER
  • 00:18:39.300 --> 00:18:40.634
  • - ERIC: YOU DIDN'T ANSWERMY QUESTION ABOUT WHY YOU
  • 00:18:40.634 --> 00:18:42.269
  • MY QUESTION ABOUT WHY YOUTITLED THE BOOK,
  • 00:18:42.269 --> 00:18:44.071
  • - ROBERT: SO "THE
  • 00:18:45.206 --> 00:18:46.106
  • - ROBERT: SO "THETRAGEDY OF PATTON" IS
  • 00:18:46.106 --> 00:18:46.941
  • TRAGEDY OF PATTON" ISBECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN THE
  • 00:18:46.941 --> 00:18:50.911
  • AND HIS WHOLE LIFE-- HE
  • 00:18:53.214 --> 00:18:54.381
  • AND HIS WHOLE LIFE-- HEWAS AN INSECURE YOUNGER
  • 00:18:54.381 --> 00:18:54.949
  • WAS AN INSECURE YOUNGERMAN, AND HE ALWAYS FOUND
  • 00:18:54.949 --> 00:18:55.649
  • MAN, AND HE ALWAYS FOUNDHIS MEANING AND HIS
  • 00:18:55.649 --> 00:18:57.051
  • HIS MEANING AND HISDESTINY IN BEING A GREAT
  • 00:18:57.051 --> 00:18:57.651
  • DESTINY IN BEING A GREATGENERAL, ONE THAT COULD BE
  • 00:18:57.651 --> 00:18:58.953
  • GENERAL, ONE THAT COULD BECOMPARED WITH CAESAR AND
  • 00:18:58.953 --> 00:19:00.554
  • COMPARED WITH CAESAR ANDWITH ALEXANDER AND
  • 00:19:00.554 --> 00:19:01.322
  • WITH ALEXANDER ANDEVERYTHING, AND AT THE
  • 00:19:01.322 --> 00:19:02.923
  • EVERYTHING, AND AT THEEND, HE MEASURED HIMSELF
  • 00:19:02.923 --> 00:19:04.959
  • END, HE MEASURED HIMSELFON HIS DEATHBED WHETHER HE
  • 00:19:04.959 --> 00:19:06.293
  • ON HIS DEATHBED WHETHER HECOULD ULTIMATELY FULFILL
  • 00:19:06.293 --> 00:19:06.994
  • COULD ULTIMATELY FULFILLHIS DESTINY AND BE IN THE
  • 00:19:06.994 --> 00:19:08.729
  • AND THE TRAGEDY WAS
  • 00:19:10.231 --> 00:19:11.398
  • AND THE TRAGEDY WASULTIMATELY HE DIED IN A
  • 00:19:11.398 --> 00:19:12.533
  • ULTIMATELY HE DIED IN ACAR ACCIDENT THAT LED TO A
  • 00:19:12.533 --> 00:19:14.235
  • CAR ACCIDENT THAT LED TO AHOSPITAL VISIT, AND THEN
  • 00:19:14.235 --> 00:19:15.302
  • HOSPITAL VISIT, AND THENHE WAS NEVER SURE AT
  • 00:19:15.302 --> 00:19:16.971
  • HE WAS NEVER SURE ATTHE END WHETHER HE
  • 00:19:16.971 --> 00:19:18.205
  • THE END WHETHER HEULTIMATELY FULFILLED
  • 00:19:18.205 --> 00:19:20.140
  • - ERIC: HE WOULD'VE BEEN
  • 00:19:21.208 --> 00:19:22.209
  • - ERIC: HE WOULD'VE BEENPREFERRED TO BE
  • 00:19:22.209 --> 00:19:23.577
  • PREFERRED TO BEDECAPITATED WITH A SABER
  • 00:19:23.577 --> 00:19:25.412
  • DECAPITATED WITH A SABERHELD BY A HUSSAR ON A
  • 00:19:25.412 --> 00:19:26.914
  • HELD BY A HUSSAR ON AHORSE, OBVIOUSLY, AND HE
  • 00:19:26.914 --> 00:19:27.982
  • HORSE, OBVIOUSLY, AND HEREALLY DIDN'T FAIL.
  • 00:19:27.982 --> 00:19:28.549
  • I AM SORRY, WE'RE OUT OF
  • 00:19:30.551 --> 00:19:31.051
  • I AM SORRY, WE'RE OUT OFTIME.
  • 00:19:31.051 --> 00:19:33.988
  • TIME.ROBERT, WE WILL HAVE TO
  • 00:19:33.988 --> 00:19:34.989
  • ROBERT, WE WILL HAVE TOHAVE YOU BACK TO TALK MORE
  • 00:19:34.989 --> 00:19:35.589
  • HAVE YOU BACK TO TALK MOREABOUT PATTON.
  • 00:19:35.589 --> 00:19:36.890
  • ABOUT PATTON.YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE
  • 00:19:36.890 --> 00:19:37.658
  • YOU'VE GOT A LOT MOREINFORMATION IN YOUR
  • 00:19:37.658 --> 00:19:38.726
  • INFORMATION IN YOURTREASURE TROVE ON THIS AND
  • 00:19:38.726 --> 00:19:39.827
  • TREASURE TROVE ON THIS ANDOTHER SUBJECTS, SO WE WILL
  • 00:19:39.827 --> 00:19:41.762
  • OTHER SUBJECTS, SO WE WILLHAVE YOU BACK JUST TO TALK
  • 00:19:41.762 --> 00:19:44.565
  • HAVE YOU BACK JUST TO TALKABOUT PATTON.
  • 00:19:44.565 --> 00:19:45.032
  • ABOUT PATTON.I APPRECIATE YOU.
  • 00:19:45.032 --> 00:19:45.532
  • I APPRECIATE YOU.FOLKS, THE BOOK IS
  • 00:19:45.532 --> 00:19:47.468
  • THE FILM IS "SILENCE PATTON."
  • 00:19:48.802 --> 00:19:49.203
  • THE FILM IS "SILENCE PATTON."YOU CAN GO TO
  • 00:19:49.203 --> 00:19:50.571
  • YOU CAN GO TOSILENCEPATTON.COM.
  • 00:19:50.571 --> 00:19:51.138
  • SILENCEPATTON.COM.AND, ROBERT, AGAIN, THANK
  • 00:19:51.138 --> 00:19:52.106
  • AND, ROBERT, AGAIN, THANKYOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:19:52.106 --> 00:19:53.140
  • YOU SO MUCH.- ROBERT: THANK YOU, ERIC.
  • 00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:56.944
  • - ROBERT: THANK YOU, ERIC.I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
  • 00:19:56.944 --> 00:20:02.416
  • I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.[MUSIC]
  • 00:20:02.416 --> 00:20:03.150
  • [MUSIC]- MALE NARRATOR: DECEMBER
  • 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:05.519
  • - MALE NARRATOR: DECEMBER9TH, 1945, SEVEN MONTHS
  • 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.789
  • 9TH, 1945, SEVEN MONTHSSINCE THE END OF THE WAR
  • 00:20:08.789 --> 00:20:11.258
  • SINCE THE END OF THE WARIN EUROPE, ON A WAR-TORN,
  • 00:20:11.258 --> 00:20:12.226
  • IN EUROPE, ON A WAR-TORN,TWO-LANE HIGHWAY IN
  • 00:20:12.226 --> 00:20:13.327
  • TWO-LANE HIGHWAY INMANNHEIM, GERMANY, THE
  • 00:20:13.327 --> 00:20:15.229
  • MANNHEIM, GERMANY, THEMOST FORMIDABLE U.S.
  • 00:20:15.229 --> 00:20:16.263
  • MOST FORMIDABLE U.S.GENERAL OF THE SECOND
  • 00:20:16.263 --> 00:20:18.365
  • GENERAL OF THE SECONDWORLD WAR,
  • 00:20:18.365 --> 00:20:19.300
  • WORLD WAR,GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON
  • 00:20:19.300 --> 00:20:21.535
  • GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTONSUSTAINS LIFE-THREATENING
  • 00:20:21.535 --> 00:20:22.269
  • SUSTAINS LIFE-THREATENINGINJURIES WHEN A
  • 00:20:22.269 --> 00:20:23.337
  • INJURIES WHEN ATWO-TON ARMY TRUCK
  • 00:20:23.337 --> 00:20:24.972
  • TWO-TON ARMY TRUCKCRUSHES HIS CADILLAC SEDAN ON
  • 00:20:24.972 --> 00:20:26.273
  • CRUSHES HIS CADILLAC SEDAN ONTHE EVE OF HIS DEPARTURE
  • 00:20:26.273 --> 00:20:28.809
  • THE EVE OF HIS DEPARTUREFOR THE U.S.
  • 00:20:28.809 --> 00:20:30.544
  • FOR THE U.S.[SIRENS]
  • 00:20:30.544 --> 00:20:31.312
  • [SIRENS][MUSIC]
  • 00:20:31.312 --> 00:20:31.979
  • [MUSIC]- NARRATOR: HE IS UNABLE
  • 00:20:31.979 --> 00:20:33.681
  • - NARRATOR: HE IS UNABLETO MOVE FROM THE NECK DOWN.
  • 00:20:33.681 --> 00:20:34.515
  • TO MOVE FROM THE NECK DOWN.THE OTHER OCCUPANTS OF THE
  • 00:20:34.515 --> 00:20:35.749
  • THE OTHER OCCUPANTS OF THEVEHICLE WALK AWAY FROM THE
  • 00:20:35.749 --> 00:20:37.618
  • VEHICLE WALK AWAY FROM THEACCIDENT LARGELY UNSCATHED,
  • 00:20:37.618 --> 00:20:40.954
  • ACCIDENT LARGELY UNSCATHED,BUT OLD BLOOD AND GUTS
  • 00:20:40.954 --> 00:20:41.522
  • BUT OLD BLOOD AND GUTSIS LEFT TO CLING TO LIFE
  • 00:20:41.522 --> 00:20:45.259
  • IS LEFT TO CLING TO LIFEIN A HEIDELBERG HOSPITAL.
  • 00:20:45.259 --> 00:21:00.040
  • IN A HEIDELBERG HOSPITAL.[MUSIC]
  • 00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:00.607
  • [MUSIC]- MALE: SO GENERAL PATTON
  • 00:21:00.607 --> 00:21:01.542
  • - MALE: SO GENERAL PATTONWAS ACTUALLY PLANNING ON
  • 00:21:01.542 --> 00:21:03.610
  • WAS ACTUALLY PLANNING ONCOMING HOME AND TELLING
  • 00:21:03.610 --> 00:21:04.545
  • COMING HOME AND TELLINGTHE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT
  • 00:21:04.545 --> 00:21:05.612
  • THE TRUTH ABOUT WHATHAPPENED OVER THERE AND
  • 00:21:05.612 --> 00:21:06.347
  • HAPPENED OVER THERE ANDALL OF THE BAD DECISIONS
  • 00:21:06.347 --> 00:21:08.215
  • ALL OF THE BAD DECISIONSTHAT WERE MADE,
  • 00:21:08.215 --> 00:21:10.417
  • THAT WERE MADE,AND EISENHOWER AND BRADLEY,
  • 00:21:10.417 --> 00:21:10.984
  • AND EISENHOWER AND BRADLEY,WELL, THEY WERE ALL SCARED
  • 00:21:10.984 --> 00:21:11.852
  • WELL, THEY WERE ALL SCAREDTHAT PATTON WAS GONNA TELL
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  • THAT PATTON WAS GONNA TELLTHE TRUTH AND ALL THE
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  • THE TRUTH AND ALL THETHINGS THAT THEY DID WRONG
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  • THINGS THAT THEY DID WRONGWERE GONNA COME OUT.
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  • WERE GONNA COME OUT.- MALE: ONE POINT,
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  • - MALE: ONE POINT,EISENHOWER TOLD HIS SON JOHN,
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  • EISENHOWER TOLD HIS SON JOHN,"I'M NOT GETTING RID
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  • "I'M NOT GETTING RIDOF PATTON FOR WHAT HE JUST DID.
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  • OF PATTON FOR WHAT HE JUST DID.I'M GETTING RID OF HIM FOR
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  • I'M GETTING RID OF HIM FORWHAT HE'S GOING TO DO NEXT."
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  • - DENNIS SHOWALTER:
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  • - DENNIS SHOWALTER:PATTON HAD A WAY OF SAYING
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  • PATTON HAD A WAY OF SAYINGTRUTHS THAT OTHER PEOPLE
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  • - PAUL KENGOR: THERE
  • 00:21:36.910 --> 00:21:38.112
  • - PAUL KENGOR: THEREWOULD'VE BEEN PEOPLE IN
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  • WOULD'VE BEEN PEOPLE INFDR'S ADMINISTRATION WHO
  • 00:21:38.779 --> 00:21:39.380
  • FDR'S ADMINISTRATION WHOWOULD'VE DETESTED
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  • WOULD'VE DETESTEDGEORGE PATTON--
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  • GEORGE PATTON--THE FACT THAT PATTON
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  • THE FACT THAT PATTONTHOUGHT THAT THE
  • 00:21:42.483 --> 00:21:44.651
  • THOUGHT THAT THESOVIETS WERE THE THREAT,
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  • SOVIETS WERE THE THREAT,OR AT LEAST THE FUTURE
  • 00:21:45.152 --> 00:21:47.154
  • OR AT LEAST THE FUTURETHREAT POSTWAR.
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  • THREAT POSTWAR.VICTOR DAVID HANSON: HE WAS
  • 00:21:48.622 --> 00:21:49.590
  • VICTOR DAVID HANSON: HE WASGOING TO ARGUE THAT
  • 00:21:49.590 --> 00:21:50.057
  • GOING TO ARGUE THATWE HAD BEEN NAIVE
  • 00:21:50.057 --> 00:21:50.657
  • WE HAD BEEN NAIVEIN PARTNERING WITH
  • 00:21:50.657 --> 00:21:51.992
  • IN PARTNERING WITHTHE RUSSIANS.
  • 00:21:51.992 --> 00:21:52.459
  • THE RUSSIANS.- MALE: THE FDR
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  • - MALE: THE FDRADMINISTRATION HAD A BUNCH
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  • ADMINISTRATION HAD A BUNCHOF PEOPLE WHO WERE,
  • 00:21:54.895 --> 00:21:55.763
  • OF PEOPLE WHO WERE,IN SOME CASES, OUTRIGHT
  • 00:21:55.763 --> 00:21:56.530
  • IN SOME CASES, OUTRIGHTSOVIET SPIES, STRONG
  • 00:21:56.530 --> 00:21:58.565
  • SOVIET SPIES, STRONGSOVIET SYMPATHIZERS,
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  • SOVIET SYMPATHIZERS,DUPES SOFT ON COMMUNISM.
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  • DUPES SOFT ON COMMUNISM.- MALE: AND WHEN YOU PUT
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  • - MALE: AND WHEN YOU PUTTHAT ALL TOGETHER,
  • 00:22:03.337 --> 00:22:04.238
  • THAT ALL TOGETHER,THAT RIGHT THERE,
  • 00:22:04.238 --> 00:22:09.143
  • THAT RIGHT THERE,IT SPELLED CONSPIRACY.
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  • IT SPELLED CONSPIRACY.[POPPING SOUND]
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  • [POPPING SOUND]♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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