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July 12, 2020
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM IS
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM ISSPONSORED IN PART
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  • SPONSORED IN PARTBY CARSHIELD,
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  • BY CARSHIELD,GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.WELCOME TO
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  • WELCOME TO"THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."I NAMED IT AFTER MYSELF,
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  • I NAMED IT AFTER MYSELF,BUT I DON'T FEEL SO GUILTY
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  • BUT I DON'T FEEL SO GUILTYABOUT THAT BECAUSE,
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  • ABOUT THAT BECAUSE,AS MY GUESTS RIGHT NOW,
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  • AS MY GUESTS RIGHT NOW,I HAVE THE SENATOR FROM
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  • TED CRUZ, AND MICHAEL KNOWLES,
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  • TED CRUZ, AND MICHAEL KNOWLES,WHO'S THE HOST OF
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  • WHO'S THE HOST OF"THE MICHAEL KNOWLES SHOW."
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  • "THE MICHAEL KNOWLES SHOW."MICHAEL, DID YOU NAME IT AFTER
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  • MICHAEL, DID YOU NAME IT AFTERYOURSELF, OR DID YOU BUY IT
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  • YOURSELF, OR DID YOU BUY ITFROM ANOTHER GUY NAMED
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  • - MICHAEL KNOWLES: IT WAS
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  • - MICHAEL KNOWLES: IT WASA TREMENDOUS COINCIDENCE,
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  • A TREMENDOUS COINCIDENCE,AND I WAS TRYING TO PLAY INTO
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  • AND I WAS TRYING TO PLAY INTOBEYONCE'S BRAND RECOGNITION,
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  • BEYONCE'S BRAND RECOGNITION,SO IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL.
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  • SO IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL.IT WAS A HAPPY COINCIDENCE.
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  • WELL, LISTEN, MOST FOLKS
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  • WELL, LISTEN, MOST FOLKSWHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW
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  • WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOWOR LISTENING RIGHT NOW
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  • OR LISTENING RIGHT NOWPROBABLY KNOW SENATOR TED CRUZ.
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  • PROBABLY KNOW SENATOR TED CRUZ.THEY MAY KNOW YOU,
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  • THEY MAY KNOW YOU,MICHAEL KNOWLES, BUT THEY
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  • MICHAEL KNOWLES, BUT THEYMAY NOT KNOW THAT THE TWO
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  • MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE TWOOF YOU HAVE GOTTEN
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  • OF YOU HAVE GOTTENTOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER A
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  • TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER APODCAST, AND YOU'RE
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  • PODCAST, AND YOU'RECALLING IT THE "VERDICT."
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  • CALLING IT THE "VERDICT."IS THAT RIGHT?
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  • IS THAT RIGHT?- MICHAEL: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • - MICHAEL: THAT'S RIGHT.- ERIC: WHAT PERSUADED
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  • - ERIC: WHAT PERSUADEDTHE TWO OF YOU TO TAKE
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  • THE TWO OF YOU TO TAKETHIS ON?
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  • - TED CRUZ: WELL, YOU
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  • - TED CRUZ: WELL, YOUKNOW, ERIC, IT'S A PROJECT
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  • KNOW, ERIC, IT'S A PROJECTTHAT MICHAEL AND I HAVE
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  • THAT MICHAEL AND I HAVEBEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR
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  • BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOROVER A YEAR, STARTING
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  • OVER A YEAR, STARTINGREALLY LAST SUMMER, AND IT
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  • REALLY LAST SUMMER, AND ITWAS DRIVEN BY-- I MEAN,
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  • WAS DRIVEN BY-- I MEAN,WE'RE IN A FUNDAMENTAL
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  • WE'RE SEEING AN ASSAULT ON
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  • WE'RE SEEING AN ASSAULT ONFREE ENTERPRISE FROM
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  • FREE ENTERPRISE FROMSOCIALISM.
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  • SOCIALISM.WE'RE SEEING AN ASSAULT ON
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  • WE'RE SEEING AN ASSAULT ONOUR FOUNDING PRINCIPLES AS
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  • OUR FOUNDING PRINCIPLES ASVIOLENT MOBS ARE TRYING TO
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  • VIOLENT MOBS ARE TRYING TOTEAR DOWN STATUES OF
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  • TEAR DOWN STATUES OFGEORGE WASHINGTON AND
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  • GEORGE WASHINGTON ANDABRAHAM LINCOLN, AND THE
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  • ABRAHAM LINCOLN, AND THEMEDIA, SADLY, IN THIS ERA,
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  • MEDIA, SADLY, IN THIS ERA,AS YOU KNOW, IS SO
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  • AS YOU KNOW, IS SOPROFOUNDLY BIASED THAT
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  • PROFOUNDLY BIASED THATI'VE HAD A BURDEN ON MY
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  • I'VE HAD A BURDEN ON MYHEART FOR A LONG TIME THAT
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  • HEART FOR A LONG TIME THATWE'VE GOT TO BE MOVING
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  • WE'VE GOT TO BE MOVINGPEOPLE'S HEARTS AND MINDS.
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  • PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND MINDS.WE'VE GOT TO BE HELPING
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  • WE'VE GOT TO BE HELPINGTRAIN PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND
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  • TRAIN PEOPLE TO UNDERSTANDTHE CONSTITUTION AND THE
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  • THE CONSTITUTION AND THEBILL OF RIGHTS AND THE
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  • BILL OF RIGHTS AND THEFOUNDING PRINCIPLES AND
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  • FOUNDING PRINCIPLES ANDFREE ENTERPRISE AND THE
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  • FREE ENTERPRISE AND THEFACTS AND CUT THROUGH THE
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  • FACTS AND CUT THROUGH THEMEDIA GARBAGE.
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  • MEDIA GARBAGE.SO WE ENDED UP-- WE
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  • SO WE ENDED UP-- WELAUNCHED THE PODCAST IN
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  • LAUNCHED THE PODCAST INJANUARY OF THIS YEAR SO--
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  • JANUARY OF THIS YEAR SO--AND, IN FACT, THE FIRST
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  • AND, IN FACT, THE FIRSTDAY OF THE PODCAST WAS THE
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  • DAY OF THE PODCAST WAS THEFIRST DAY OF THE
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  • FIRST DAY OF THEIMPEACHMENT TRIAL, AND
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  • IMPEACHMENT TRIAL, ANDWHAT WE DID-- SO,
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  • WHAT WE DID-- SO,OBVIOUSLY, THE SENATE, I
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  • OBVIOUSLY, THE SENATE, IHAD TO BE IN THE
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  • HAD TO BE IN THEIMPEACHMENT TRIAL, AND THE
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  • IMPEACHMENT TRIAL, AND THETRIAL WOULD END OFTEN AT
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  • TRIAL WOULD END OFTEN ATELEVEN OR MIDNIGHT OR ONE
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  • ELEVEN OR MIDNIGHT OR ONEIN THE MORNING, AND
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  • IN THE MORNING, ANDWHENEVER THE TRIAL ENDED
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  • WHENEVER THE TRIAL ENDEDIN THE SENATE, I'D JUMP IN
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  • IN THE SENATE, I'D JUMP INTHE TRUCK.
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  • THE TRUCK.WE'D HEAD OVER TO THE
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  • WE'D HEAD OVER TO THESTUDIO, AND WE'D JUST
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  • STUDIO, AND WE'D JUSTRECORD LIVE.
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  • RECORD LIVE.TWO IN THE MORNING, WE'D
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  • TWO IN THE MORNING, WE'DRECORD EVERY NIGHT, AND
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  • RECORD EVERY NIGHT, ANDWE'D SIMPLY TALK ABOUT
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  • WE'D SIMPLY TALK ABOUT"ALL RIGHT, HERE'S WHAT
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  • "ALL RIGHT, HERE'S WHATHAPPENED TODAY."
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  • HAPPENED TODAY."AND IT WAS DESIGNED
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  • AND IT WAS DESIGNEDTO TRY TO EXPLAIN-- YOU KNOW,
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  • TO TRY TO EXPLAIN-- YOU KNOW,THERE WERE A LOT
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  • THERE WERE A LOTOF COMPLICATED ISSUES
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  • OF COMPLICATED ISSUESIN IMPEACHMENT,
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  • IN IMPEACHMENT,A LOT OF FACTUAL ISSUES.
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  • A LOT OF FACTUAL ISSUES."WHAT'S UKRAINE?
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  • "WHAT'S UKRAINE?"WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO
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  • "WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DOWITH THIS?"
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  • WITH THIS?""WHAT IS BURISMA, THIS
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  • "WHAT IS BURISMA, THISNATURAL GAS COMPANY?"
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  • NATURAL GAS COMPANY?""WHO'S THIS HUNTER BIDEN
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  • "WHO'S THIS HUNTER BIDENCHARACTER?"
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  • CHARACTER?""WHAT ARE THE LEGAL
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  • "WHAT ARE THE LEGALISSUES?"
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  • ISSUES?""WHAT ARE THE
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  • "WHAT ARE THECONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS?"
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  • CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS?""WHAT ARE HIGH CRIMES AND
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  • "WHAT ARE HIGH CRIMES ANDMISDEMEANORS?
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  • MISDEMEANORS?"WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?"
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  • "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?"AND WE TRY TO EXPLAIN IT,
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  • AND WE TRY TO EXPLAIN IT,BUT WHAT WE'D ALSO TRY TO
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  • BUT WHAT WE'D ALSO TRY TODO IS BRING PEOPLE BEHIND
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  • DO IS BRING PEOPLE BEHINDTHE SCENES, SO LET THEM
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  • THE SCENES, SO LET THEMKNOW REALLY WHAT WAS GOIN'
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  • KNOW REALLY WHAT WAS GOIN'ON: WHAT ARE THE
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  • ON: WHAT ARE THECONVERSATIONS IN THE
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  • CONVERSATIONS IN THESENATE CLOAKROOM, WHO WERE
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  • SENATE CLOAKROOM, WHO WERETHE SENATORS WHOSE VOTES
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  • THE SENATORS WHOSE VOTESWERE WOBBLY, WHAT ARE THE
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  • WERE WOBBLY, WHAT ARE THESTRATEGIES THAT THE
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  • STRATEGIES THAT THELAWYERS ARE ADVANCING.
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  • LAWYERS ARE ADVANCING.AND IT ENDED UP WE STARTED
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  • AND IT ENDED UP WE STARTEDIT OUT OF NOWHERE.
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  • IT OUT OF NOWHERE.WE'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.
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  • WE'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.WE LAUNCHED IT, AND WITHIN
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  • WE LAUNCHED IT, AND WITHINA COUPLE OF WEEKS,
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  • A COUPLE OF WEEKS,IT SKYROCKETED THE CHARTS.
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  • IT SKYROCKETED THE CHARTS.IT BECAME THE NUMBER ONE
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  • IT BECAME THE NUMBER ONERANKED PODCAST IN THE WORLD,
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  • RANKED PODCAST IN THE WORLD,AND IT WAS BREATHTAKING.
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  • AND IT WAS BREATHTAKING.WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT.
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  • WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT.- MICHAEL: YOU KNOW, I
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  • - MICHAEL: YOU KNOW, ITHINK THAT 2020 HAS BEEN A
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  • THINK THAT 2020 HAS BEEN AYEAR OF DEFYING EXPECTATIONS.
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  • YEAR OF DEFYING EXPECTATIONS.MAYBE THAT'S BEEN TRUE FOR THE
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  • MAYBE THAT'S BEEN TRUE FOR THEPAST FEW YEARS, AND YOU
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  • PAST FEW YEARS, AND YOUMIGHT THINK THAT THE
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  • MIGHT THINK THAT THEAMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD NOT
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  • AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD NOTWANNA TUNE INTO A SHOW
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  • WANNA TUNE INTO A SHOWABOUT THIS KIND OF
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  • ABOUT THIS KIND OFCOMPLICATED POLITICAL
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  • COMPLICATED POLITICALPROCEDURE THAT'S HAPPENING
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  • PROCEDURE THAT'S HAPPENINGIN THE SENATE WITH--
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  • IN THE SENATE WITH--SENATOR, YOU KNOW I HAVE
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  • SENATOR, YOU KNOW I HAVEGREAT RESPECT FOR YOU,
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  • GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU,BUT YOU DON'T THINK OF
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  • BUT YOU DON'T THINK OFSENATORS NECESSARILY AS
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  • SENATORS NECESSARILY ASTHE TOP PODCASTERS,
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  • THE TOP PODCASTERS,AND, YET I THINK BECAUSE
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  • AND, YET I THINK BECAUSETHE AMERICAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY
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  • THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ACTUALLYARE INTERESTED IN THEIR
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  • ARE INTERESTED IN THEIRGOVERNMENT, THEY ACTUALLY
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  • GOVERNMENT, THEY ACTUALLYDO WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S
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  • DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT'SGOING ON IN POLITICS,
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  • GOING ON IN POLITICS,THEY WANT TO BE RESPECTED.
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  • THEY WANT TO BE RESPECTED.THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE
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  • THEY DON'T WANNA HAVEFIVE-MINUTE DUMBED-DOWN
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  • FIVE-MINUTE DUMBED-DOWNSOUND BITES.
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  • SOUND BITES.THEY WANNA GO INTO SOME
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  • THEY WANNA GO INTO SOMESUBSTANCE THAT IT
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  • SUBSTANCE THAT ITCONFOUNDED OUR EXPECTATIONS,
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  • CONFOUNDED OUR EXPECTATIONS,AND SENATOR CRUZ HERE
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  • AND SENATOR CRUZ HEREJUMPED TO NUMBER ONE
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  • JUMPED TO NUMBER ONEAND SOMEHOW BEAT JOE ROGAN
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  • AND SOMEHOW BEAT JOE ROGANON THE PODCAST CHARTS.
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  • ON THE PODCAST CHARTS.- TED: WELL, AND WE KEPT
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  • - TED: WELL, AND WE KEPTIT GOING, AND SO WE DO NOW
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  • ABOUT ONCE A WEEK, WE DROP
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  • ABOUT ONCE A WEEK, WE DROPA PODCAST, AND YOU CAN GET
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  • A PODCAST, AND YOU CAN GETTHAT.
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  • THAT.YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE WHEREVER
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  • YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE WHEREVERYOU GET PODCASTS ON APPLE
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  • YOU GET PODCASTS ON APPLEPODCASTS OR SPOTIFY.
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  • PODCASTS OR SPOTIFY.YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUTUBE.
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  • YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUTUBE.WE PUT OUT THE VIDEO
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  • WE PUT OUT THE VIDEOEVERY WEEK.
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  • EVERY WEEK.BUT WE DO IT, AND WE'LL
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  • BUT WE DO IT, AND WE'LLADDRESS WHATEVER THE GREAT
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  • ADDRESS WHATEVER THE GREATISSUES OF THE DAY ARE AND
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  • SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME,
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  • SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME,FOR EXAMPLE, TALKIN' ABOUT
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  • FOR EXAMPLE, TALKIN' ABOUTCHINA, ABOUT THE ORIGINS
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  • CHINA, ABOUT THE ORIGINSOF THE CORONAVIRUS, ABOUT
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  • OF THE CORONAVIRUS, ABOUTTHE WUHAN INSTITUTE OF
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  • THE WUHAN INSTITUTE OFVIROLOGY, A LOT OF STUFF
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  • VIROLOGY, A LOT OF STUFFTHAT THE PRESS WON'T COVER,
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  • THAT THE PRESS WON'T COVER,AND WE ALSO HAVE GUESTS,
  • 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.115
  • AND WE ALSO HAVE GUESTS,AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET GUESTS
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  • AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET GUESTSTHAT A LOT OF OTHER PLACES
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  • THAT A LOT OF OTHER PLACESDON'T NECESSARILY HAVE.
  • 00:05:05.484 --> 00:05:06.818
  • DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE.SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A COUPLE
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  • SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A COUPLEOF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD BILL
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  • OF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD BILLBARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
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  • BARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.NOW, BARR, OBVIOUSLY,
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  • NOW, BARR, OBVIOUSLY,HE GOES ON MEDIA INTERVIEWS,
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  • HE GOES ON MEDIA INTERVIEWS,HE'LL DO A FIVE-, SIX-MINUTE
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  • HE'LL DO A FIVE-, SIX-MINUTEINTERVIEW,
  • 00:05:16.361 --> 00:05:17.496
  • INTERVIEW,AND IT'S TYPICALLY A HOSTILE
  • 00:05:17.496 --> 00:05:19.197
  • AND IT'S TYPICALLY A HOSTILELEFTY REPORTER,
  • 00:05:19.197 --> 00:05:19.898
  • LEFTY REPORTER,AND BILL'S PRETTY BUTTONED UP.
  • 00:05:19.898 --> 00:05:21.233
  • AND BILL'S PRETTY BUTTONED UP.HE'S A CAREFUL LAWYER,
  • 00:05:21.233 --> 00:05:24.436
  • HE'S A CAREFUL LAWYER,SO HE GIVES HIS ANSWERS.
  • 00:05:24.436 --> 00:05:25.003
  • SO HE GIVES HIS ANSWERS.WELL, BILL AND I HAVE BEEN
  • 00:05:25.003 --> 00:05:25.937
  • WELL, BILL AND I HAVE BEENFRIENDS FOR 25 YEARS.
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  • FRIENDS FOR 25 YEARS.I'VE KNOWN BILL A LONG TIME,
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  • I'VE KNOWN BILL A LONG TIME,SO WE HAD HIM ON FOR
  • 00:05:28.573 --> 00:05:30.375
  • SO WE HAD HIM ON FORA HALF HOUR.
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  • A HALF HOUR.I WASN'T PLAYING "GOTCHA"
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  • I WASN'T PLAYING "GOTCHA"WITH HIM, BUT WE WERE
  • 00:05:32.077 --> 00:05:32.611
  • WITH HIM, BUT WE WEREHAVIN' CONVERSATIONS
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  • HAVIN' CONVERSATIONSABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA BIAS,
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  • ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA BIAS,ABOUT MOBS IN THE STREET,
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  • ABOUT MOBS IN THE STREET,ABOUT TERRORISM,
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  • ABOUT TERRORISM,ABOUT TEARING DOWN STATUES,
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  • ABOUT TEARING DOWN STATUES,AND WE'RE LAUGHING;
  • 00:05:39.951 --> 00:05:42.554
  • AND WE'RE LAUGHING;WE'RE CUTTING UP, AND I'LL
  • 00:05:42.554 --> 00:05:43.688
  • WE'RE CUTTING UP, AND I'LLTELL YA, ERIC, THE MOST
  • 00:05:43.688 --> 00:05:46.091
  • TELL YA, ERIC, THE MOSTFREQUENT COMMENT WE GET ON
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  • FREQUENT COMMENT WE GET ONTHE COMMENTS SECTIONS ON
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  • THE COMMENTS SECTIONS ONYOUTUBE OR THE PODCAST IS
  • 00:05:50.629 --> 00:05:52.097
  • YOUTUBE OR THE PODCAST ISPEOPLE SAY, "YOU KNOW,
  • 00:05:52.097 --> 00:05:52.864
  • PEOPLE SAY, "YOU KNOW,I ACTUALLY LEARNED
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  • I ACTUALLY LEARNEDSOMETHING."
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  • SOMETHING."AND I REMEMBER THE
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  • AND I REMEMBER THEBARR EPISODE,
  • 00:05:55.300 --> 00:05:55.934
  • BARR EPISODE,THE PEOPLE WERE COMMENTING,
  • 00:05:55.934 --> 00:05:56.568
  • THE PEOPLE WERE COMMENTING,"WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW BARR
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  • "WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW BARRWAS SO FUNNY."
  • 00:05:57.169 --> 00:05:57.803
  • WAS SO FUNNY."AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT
  • 00:05:57.803 --> 00:05:58.770
  • AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOTTHIS WICKEDLY DRY,
  • 00:05:58.770 --> 00:06:01.106
  • THIS WICKEDLY DRY,SARDONIC SENSE OF HUMOR.
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  • SARDONIC SENSE OF HUMOR.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING
  • 00:06:02.374 --> 00:06:03.508
  • SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYINGTO DO WITH THE PODCAST.
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  • TO DO WITH THE PODCAST.IT'S A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:06:04.376 --> 00:06:05.110
  • IT'S A LOT OF WHAT YOU'REDOING WITH YOUR SHOW,
  • 00:06:05.110 --> 00:06:05.977
  • DOING WITH YOUR SHOW,WHICH IS TRYING TO SPEAK
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  • WHICH IS TRYING TO SPEAKON MATTERS OF FAITH,
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  • ON MATTERS OF FAITH,ON MATTERS OF FUNDAMENTAL
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  • ON MATTERS OF FUNDAMENTALTRUTHS THAT A LOT OF THE
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  • TRUTHS THAT A LOT OF THEMEDIA DOESN'T WANNA COVER.
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  • MEDIA DOESN'T WANNA COVER.- ERIC: I HAVE TO SAY,
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  • - ERIC: I HAVE TO SAY,YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEARD YOU
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  • YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEARD YOUDESCRIBE WHY YOU WERE
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  • DESCRIBE WHY YOU WEREDOING THIS, YOU WOULDN'T
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  • DOING THIS, YOU WOULDN'TNECESSARILY KNOW IT,
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  • NECESSARILY KNOW IT,BUT IT'S EXACTLY WHY I DO
  • 00:06:18.957 --> 00:06:20.358
  • BUT IT'S EXACTLY WHY I DOEVERYTHING I DO BECAUSE I
  • 00:06:20.358 --> 00:06:22.594
  • EVERYTHING I DO BECAUSE IFINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT,
  • 00:06:22.594 --> 00:06:24.896
  • FINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT,FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS, WE
  • 00:06:24.896 --> 00:06:26.364
  • FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS, WEHAVE NOT BEEN TEACHING THE
  • 00:06:26.364 --> 00:06:28.066
  • HAVE NOT BEEN TEACHING THEBASICS OF WHAT DOES IT
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  • BASICS OF WHAT DOES ITMEAN TO BE AN AMERICAN,
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  • MEAN TO BE AN AMERICAN,AND HOW DOES IT WORK,
  • 00:06:30.569 --> 00:06:31.703
  • AND HOW DOES IT WORK,AND WHAT IS MY ROLE IN
  • 00:06:31.703 --> 00:06:32.204
  • AND WHAT IS MY ROLE INSELF-GOVERNMENT?
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  • SELF-GOVERNMENT?WHETHER I'M A
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  • WHETHER I'M AREPRESENTATIVE OR A
  • 00:06:34.673 --> 00:06:35.574
  • REPRESENTATIVE OR ASENATOR OR JUST A CITIZEN,
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  • SENATOR OR JUST A CITIZEN,WHAT IS MY ROLE?
  • 00:06:36.508 --> 00:06:37.776
  • WHAT IS MY ROLE?WE HAVEN'T BEEN TEACHING
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  • WE HAVEN'T BEEN TEACHINGTHAT, AND WE ARE NOW
  • 00:06:39.744 --> 00:06:41.179
  • THAT, AND WE ARE NOWREAPING THE WHIRLWIND,
  • 00:06:41.179 --> 00:06:42.714
  • REAPING THE WHIRLWIND,AND I THINK THE HUNGER FOR
  • 00:06:42.714 --> 00:06:43.949
  • AND I THINK THE HUNGER FORTHINGS LIKE WHAT YOU ALL
  • 00:06:43.949 --> 00:06:45.150
  • THINGS LIKE WHAT YOU ALLARE DOING, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:06:45.150 --> 00:06:46.218
  • ARE DOING, OBVIOUSLY,FOR WHAT I TRY TO DO, IT'S
  • 00:06:46.218 --> 00:06:47.919
  • FOR WHAT I TRY TO DO, IT'SEXTRAORDINARY, BUT IT DOES
  • 00:06:47.919 --> 00:06:49.321
  • EXTRAORDINARY, BUT IT DOESGIVE US, AS YOU SAID
  • 00:06:49.321 --> 00:06:51.890
  • GIVE US, AS YOU SAIDEARLIER, SENATOR CRUZ,
  • 00:06:51.890 --> 00:06:53.925
  • EARLIER, SENATOR CRUZ,HOPE THAT THE AMERICAN
  • 00:06:53.925 --> 00:06:55.327
  • HOPE THAT THE AMERICANPEOPLE REALLY ARE
  • 00:06:55.327 --> 00:06:57.529
  • PEOPLE REALLY AREINTERESTED IN THESE THINGS.
  • 00:06:57.529 --> 00:06:58.663
  • INTERESTED IN THESE THINGS.THEY'RE NOT BORED BY THESE
  • 00:06:58.663 --> 00:06:59.231
  • THEY'RE NOT BORED BY THESETHINGS.
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  • THINGS.THEY'RE NOT READY TO BE
  • 00:07:00.499 --> 00:07:02.067
  • THEY'RE NOT READY TO BEGOVERNED FROM ABOVE OR
  • 00:07:02.067 --> 00:07:03.368
  • GOVERNED FROM ABOVE ORFROM WITHOUT.
  • 00:07:03.368 --> 00:07:04.436
  • FROM WITHOUT.THEY STILL WANT TO GOVERN
  • 00:07:04.436 --> 00:07:05.270
  • THEY STILL WANT TO GOVERNTHEMSELVES-- AT LEAST MOST
  • 00:07:05.270 --> 00:07:07.005
  • THEMSELVES-- AT LEAST MOSTOF 'EM DO.
  • 00:07:07.005 --> 00:07:08.106
  • OF 'EM DO.AND I HAVE TO SAY, I
  • 00:07:08.106 --> 00:07:09.474
  • AND I HAVE TO SAY, INOTICE THAT ALL AROUND THE
  • 00:07:09.474 --> 00:07:10.041
  • NOTICE THAT ALL AROUND THECOUNTRY, AND IT'S EXCITING
  • 00:07:10.041 --> 00:07:11.042
  • COUNTRY, AND IT'S EXCITINGTO ME.
  • 00:07:11.042 --> 00:07:12.511
  • TO ME.IF ONLY VOICES LIKE OURS
  • 00:07:12.511 --> 00:07:13.912
  • IF ONLY VOICES LIKE OURSCOULD GET OUT THERE MORE,
  • 00:07:13.912 --> 00:07:15.914
  • COULD GET OUT THERE MORE,BUT WE KNOW THAT THE
  • 00:07:15.914 --> 00:07:17.315
  • BUT WE KNOW THAT THEMEDIA-- MY GOODNESS, WHAT
  • 00:07:17.315 --> 00:07:18.617
  • MEDIA-- MY GOODNESS, WHATHAS HAPPENED TO THE MEDIA?
  • 00:07:18.617 --> 00:07:20.118
  • HAS HAPPENED TO THE MEDIA?WE KNOW THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
  • 00:07:20.118 --> 00:07:20.852
  • WE KNOW THE "NEW YORK TIMES"DIED.
  • 00:07:20.852 --> 00:07:22.254
  • DIED.IT WAS BURIED.
  • 00:07:22.254 --> 00:07:24.856
  • IT WAS BURIED.BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF
  • 00:07:24.856 --> 00:07:25.957
  • BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OFWHAT WAS ONCE JOURNALISM
  • 00:07:25.957 --> 00:07:27.993
  • WHAT WAS ONCE JOURNALISMIS NOW DEAD.
  • 00:07:27.993 --> 00:07:28.527
  • IS NOW DEAD.THAT'S A PRETTY DRAMATIC
  • 00:07:28.527 --> 00:07:30.061
  • THAT'S A PRETTY DRAMATICTHING.
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  • THING.IN THE HISTORY BOOKS
  • 00:07:30.529 --> 00:07:31.963
  • IN THE HISTORY BOOKSIN THE FUTURE,
  • 00:07:31.963 --> 00:07:33.064
  • IN THE FUTURE,THIS WILL BE WRITTEN ABOUT
  • 00:07:33.064 --> 00:07:34.466
  • THIS WILL BE WRITTEN ABOUTAS A MAJOR INFLECTION POINT
  • 00:07:34.466 --> 00:07:35.967
  • AS A MAJOR INFLECTION POINTIN THE COURSE
  • 00:07:35.967 --> 00:07:38.870
  • - TED: WELL, IT'S SAD
  • 00:07:40.539 --> 00:07:41.106
  • - TED: WELL, IT'S SADTHAT THE MEDIA IS NOT EVEN
  • 00:07:41.106 --> 00:07:41.773
  • THAT THE MEDIA IS NOT EVENTRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE
  • 00:07:41.773 --> 00:07:42.574
  • TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVEANYMORE.
  • 00:07:42.574 --> 00:07:43.275
  • ANYMORE.THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO BE
  • 00:07:43.275 --> 00:07:44.142
  • THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO BEJOURNALISTS.
  • 00:07:44.142 --> 00:07:45.010
  • JOURNALISTS.YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW YEARS
  • 00:07:45.010 --> 00:07:47.012
  • YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW YEARSAGO, REPORTERS USED TO
  • 00:07:47.012 --> 00:07:47.979
  • AGO, REPORTERS USED TOARGUE-- I DON'T KNOW--
  • 00:07:47.979 --> 00:07:48.813
  • ARGUE-- I DON'T KNOW--"WE'RE NOT BIASED."
  • 00:07:48.813 --> 00:07:49.514
  • "WE'RE NOT BIASED."HAVE YOU NOTICED NOBODY
  • 00:07:49.514 --> 00:07:50.181
  • HAVE YOU NOTICED NOBODYARGUES THAT ANYMORE?
  • 00:07:50.181 --> 00:07:52.117
  • ARGUES THAT ANYMORE?THAT THEY HAVE ACCEPTED
  • 00:07:52.117 --> 00:07:54.886
  • YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, WE
  • 00:07:56.621 --> 00:07:57.289
  • YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, WESAW BARI WEISS STEP DOWN
  • 00:07:57.289 --> 00:07:58.123
  • SAW BARI WEISS STEP DOWNFROM THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
  • 00:07:58.123 --> 00:07:59.324
  • FROM THE "NEW YORK TIMES"EDITORIAL BOARD BECAUSE,
  • 00:07:59.324 --> 00:08:00.692
  • EDITORIAL BOARD BECAUSE,AS SHE DESCRIBED,
  • 00:08:00.692 --> 00:08:01.293
  • AS SHE DESCRIBED,THEY VIEW THEIR ROLES
  • 00:08:01.293 --> 00:08:02.761
  • THEY VIEW THEIR ROLESAS PROPAGANDISTS.
  • 00:08:02.761 --> 00:08:03.595
  • AS PROPAGANDISTS.THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE
  • 00:08:03.595 --> 00:08:04.963
  • THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVEENLIGHTENED TRUTH,
  • 00:08:04.963 --> 00:08:06.498
  • ENLIGHTENED TRUTH,THAT IT'S NOT TO HAVE ANY
  • 00:08:06.498 --> 00:08:08.800
  • THAT IT'S NOT TO HAVE ANYALTERNATIVE VIEWS.
  • 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:10.869
  • ALTERNATIVE VIEWS.IT IS TO REDEFINE HISTORY.
  • 00:08:10.869 --> 00:08:12.871
  • IT IS TO REDEFINE HISTORY.THEIR 1619 PROJECT IS
  • 00:08:12.871 --> 00:08:14.940
  • THEIR 1619 PROJECT ISSHAMELESS IN THAT REGARD.
  • 00:08:14.940 --> 00:08:15.574
  • SHAMELESS IN THAT REGARD.AND SOMETHING YOU SAID
  • 00:08:15.574 --> 00:08:16.474
  • AND SOMETHING YOU SAIDJUST A MINUTE AGO, ERIC,
  • 00:08:16.474 --> 00:08:17.275
  • JUST A MINUTE AGO, ERIC,THAT I THINK IS REALLY
  • 00:08:17.275 --> 00:08:19.010
  • THAT I THINK IS REALLYIMPORTANT WHICH IS PEOPLE
  • 00:08:19.010 --> 00:08:20.712
  • IMPORTANT WHICH IS PEOPLEWANT SUBSTANCE.
  • 00:08:20.712 --> 00:08:21.446
  • WANT SUBSTANCE.THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:08:21.446 --> 00:08:22.514
  • THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND.IT'S HARD IN TODAY'S WORLD.
  • 00:08:22.514 --> 00:08:23.481
  • IT'S HARD IN TODAY'S WORLD.I FIND IT HARD AS A
  • 00:08:23.481 --> 00:08:24.716
  • I FIND IT HARD AS ACONSUMER OF NEWS.
  • 00:08:24.716 --> 00:08:26.217
  • CONSUMER OF NEWS.JUST ABOUT ANY TV STATION YOU
  • 00:08:26.217 --> 00:08:27.752
  • JUST ABOUT ANY TV STATION YOUTURN ON IS A PROPAGANDIST,
  • 00:08:27.752 --> 00:08:29.220
  • TURN ON IS A PROPAGANDIST,WHETHER FOR THE LEFT OR
  • 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:30.455
  • WHETHER FOR THE LEFT ORFOR THE RIGHT,
  • 00:08:30.455 --> 00:08:31.022
  • FOR THE RIGHT,AND IF YOU WANNA KNOW THE
  • 00:08:31.022 --> 00:08:33.258
  • AND IF YOU WANNA KNOW THETRUTH, IT OFTEN IS
  • 00:08:33.258 --> 00:08:33.959
  • TRUTH, IT OFTEN ISSOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
  • 00:08:33.959 --> 00:08:34.559
  • SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE
  • 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:35.660
  • YOU'RE NOT GETTING THEWHOLE PICTURE.
  • 00:08:35.660 --> 00:08:36.361
  • WHOLE PICTURE.AND I CAN TELL YOU, WHEN
  • 00:08:36.361 --> 00:08:38.630
  • AND I CAN TELL YOU, WHENWE STARTED THE PODCAST,
  • 00:08:38.630 --> 00:08:40.799
  • WE STARTED THE PODCAST,OUR PRODUCTION TEAM, THEIR
  • 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:41.333
  • OUR PRODUCTION TEAM, THEIRINITIAL ADVICE WAS "OKAY,
  • 00:08:41.333 --> 00:08:42.434
  • INITIAL ADVICE WAS "OKAY,DUMB IT DOWN A LITTLE."
  • 00:08:42.434 --> 00:08:43.201
  • DUMB IT DOWN A LITTLE."- MICHAEL: YEAH.
  • 00:08:43.201 --> 00:08:44.002
  • - MICHAEL: YEAH.- TED: AND MICHAEL AND I
  • 00:08:44.002 --> 00:08:44.736
  • - TED: AND MICHAEL AND IPRESSED BACK.
  • 00:08:44.736 --> 00:08:45.270
  • PRESSED BACK.WE SAID, "NO, WE'RE NOT
  • 00:08:45.270 --> 00:08:45.837
  • WE SAID, "NO, WE'RE NOTGONNA DO THAT.
  • 00:08:45.837 --> 00:08:46.571
  • GONNA DO THAT.PEOPLE ARE SMART, AND THEY
  • 00:08:46.571 --> 00:08:47.439
  • PEOPLE ARE SMART, AND THEYWANNA UNDERSTAND."
  • 00:08:47.439 --> 00:08:49.741
  • WANNA UNDERSTAND."WHAT I DID THINK MADE SENSE
  • 00:08:49.741 --> 00:08:51.376
  • WHAT I DID THINK MADE SENSEIS MAKE IT UNDERSTANDABLE.
  • 00:08:51.376 --> 00:08:52.577
  • IS MAKE IT UNDERSTANDABLE.AND THE ANALOGY WE USE, IF
  • 00:08:52.577 --> 00:08:55.180
  • AND THE ANALOGY WE USE, IFYOU GO TO THE DOCTOR AND
  • 00:08:55.180 --> 00:08:56.448
  • YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR ANDYOU'VE GOT SOME TERRIBLE
  • 00:08:56.448 --> 00:08:59.084
  • YOU'VE GOT SOME TERRIBLEDISEASE, YOU DON'T WANT
  • 00:08:59.084 --> 00:08:59.718
  • DISEASE, YOU DON'T WANTTHE DOCTOR TO DUMB IT DOWN
  • 00:08:59.718 --> 00:09:00.518
  • THE DOCTOR TO DUMB IT DOWNFOR YOU.
  • 00:09:00.518 --> 00:09:01.086
  • FOR YOU.YOU DON'T WANT THE DOCTOR
  • 00:09:01.086 --> 00:09:01.620
  • YOU DON'T WANT THE DOCTORTO JUST SAY,
  • 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:02.520
  • TO JUST SAY,"WELL, YOU'RE SICK.
  • 00:09:02.520 --> 00:09:03.188
  • "WELL, YOU'RE SICK.I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU ANYMORE."
  • 00:09:03.188 --> 00:09:03.955
  • I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU ANYMORE."YOU WANT THE DOCTOR TO REALLY
  • 00:09:03.955 --> 00:09:04.556
  • YOU WANT THE DOCTOR TO REALLYEXPLAIN IT TO YOU,
  • 00:09:04.556 --> 00:09:05.256
  • EXPLAIN IT TO YOU,BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE
  • 00:09:05.256 --> 00:09:06.191
  • BUT YOU DON'T WANT THEDOCTOR TO EXPLAIN IT IN
  • 00:09:06.191 --> 00:09:07.292
  • DOCTOR TO EXPLAIN IT INA WAY THAT YOU'VE GOTTA
  • 00:09:07.292 --> 00:09:07.959
  • A WAY THAT YOU'VE GOTTABE A MEDICAL DOCTOR
  • 00:09:07.959 --> 00:09:09.194
  • BE A MEDICAL DOCTORTO UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:09:09.194 --> 00:09:09.761
  • TO UNDERSTAND.YOU DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF
  • 00:09:09.761 --> 00:09:11.062
  • YOU DON'T WANT A BUNCH OFJARGON THAT, IF YOU
  • 00:09:11.062 --> 00:09:11.730
  • JARGON THAT, IF YOUHAVEN'T GONE TO MED SCHOOL,
  • 00:09:11.730 --> 00:09:12.797
  • HAVEN'T GONE TO MED SCHOOL,YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT.
  • 00:09:12.797 --> 00:09:13.531
  • YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT.WE TRY TO DO THE SAME
  • 00:09:13.531 --> 00:09:15.100
  • WE TRY TO DO THE SAMETHING, AND SO, WHEN I WAS
  • 00:09:15.100 --> 00:09:15.967
  • THING, AND SO, WHEN I WASTALKIN' ABOUT IMPEACHMENT,
  • 00:09:15.967 --> 00:09:17.235
  • TALKIN' ABOUT IMPEACHMENT,I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE
  • 00:09:17.235 --> 00:09:18.103
  • I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVETO BE A LAWYER OR A
  • 00:09:18.103 --> 00:09:19.070
  • TO BE A LAWYER OR ACONSTITUTIONAL LITIGATOR
  • 00:09:19.070 --> 00:09:20.372
  • CONSTITUTIONAL LITIGATORTO GET IT, BUT SO WE TRY
  • 00:09:20.372 --> 00:09:21.906
  • TO GET IT, BUT SO WE TRYTO EXPLAIN IT.
  • 00:09:21.906 --> 00:09:23.575
  • TO EXPLAIN IT.AND, ERIC, AS AN
  • 00:09:23.575 --> 00:09:24.609
  • AND, ERIC, AS ANHISTORIAN, YOU ARE A
  • 00:09:24.609 --> 00:09:27.345
  • HISTORIAN, YOU ARE AMASTER AT THAT.
  • 00:09:27.345 --> 00:09:28.413
  • MASTER AT THAT.I WILL TELL YA, I AM
  • 00:09:28.413 --> 00:09:30.248
  • I WILL TELL YA, I AMACTUALLY VERY CONFLICTED
  • 00:09:30.248 --> 00:09:33.551
  • ACTUALLY VERY CONFLICTEDOF YOUR WORKS WHICH I LIKE
  • 00:09:33.551 --> 00:09:35.487
  • OF YOUR WORKS WHICH I LIKEBETTER: BONHOEFFER OR
  • 00:09:35.487 --> 00:09:37.722
  • BETTER: BONHOEFFER OR"AMAZING GRACE," BUT THE
  • 00:09:37.722 --> 00:09:39.758
  • "AMAZING GRACE," BUT THELEVEL OF DETAIL, THE LEVEL
  • 00:09:39.758 --> 00:09:45.196
  • LEVEL OF DETAIL, THE LEVELOF INSPIRATION-- AND,
  • 00:09:45.196 --> 00:09:46.097
  • OF INSPIRATION-- AND,ACTUALLY, BOTH "BONHOEFFER"
  • 00:09:46.097 --> 00:09:47.732
  • ACTUALLY, BOTH "BONHOEFFER"AND "AMAZING GRACE" ARE
  • 00:09:47.732 --> 00:09:50.268
  • AND "AMAZING GRACE" AREINCREDIBLY INSPIRATIONAL
  • 00:09:50.268 --> 00:09:52.270
  • INCREDIBLY INSPIRATIONALSTORIES THAT PEOPLE NEED
  • 00:09:52.270 --> 00:09:53.805
  • STORIES THAT PEOPLE NEEDTO HEAR MORE, AND YOU'RE
  • 00:09:53.805 --> 00:09:55.240
  • TO HEAR MORE, AND YOU'REDOING EXACTLY THE SAME
  • 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:56.474
  • DOING EXACTLY THE SAMETHING WHICH IS RECOGNIZING
  • 00:09:56.474 --> 00:09:59.210
  • THING WHICH IS RECOGNIZING"WE AIN'T DUMBIN' ANYTHING
  • 00:09:59.210 --> 00:10:00.445
  • "WE AIN'T DUMBIN' ANYTHINGDOWN FOR ANYBODY.
  • 00:10:00.445 --> 00:10:01.246
  • DOWN FOR ANYBODY.THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:10:01.246 --> 00:10:02.414
  • THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARESMART, AND WE NEED TO HELP
  • 00:10:02.414 --> 00:10:03.848
  • SMART, AND WE NEED TO HELPGIVE THEM THE TOOLS THAT
  • 00:10:03.848 --> 00:10:05.583
  • GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THATTHEY'RE HUNGRY FOR.
  • 00:10:05.583 --> 00:10:06.251
  • THEY'RE HUNGRY FOR.- ERIC: WELL, AND THE FUNNY
  • 00:10:06.251 --> 00:10:06.985
  • - ERIC: WELL, AND THE FUNNYTHING IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:10:06.985 --> 00:10:07.485
  • THING IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RESAYING.
  • 00:10:07.485 --> 00:10:08.253
  • SAYING.FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU
  • 00:10:08.253 --> 00:10:09.487
  • FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOUFOR YOUR KIND WORDS, AND I
  • 00:10:09.487 --> 00:10:11.756
  • FOR YOUR KIND WORDS, AND IWILL LATER THANK MY MOTHER
  • 00:10:11.756 --> 00:10:13.558
  • WILL LATER THANK MY MOTHERFOR SENDING YOU THE CHECK
  • 00:10:13.558 --> 00:10:14.626
  • FOR SENDING YOU THE CHECKBECAUSE SHE DOES THAT.
  • 00:10:14.626 --> 00:10:15.193
  • BECAUSE SHE DOES THAT.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:15.193 --> 00:10:16.795
  • [LAUGHTER]BUT I WANNA BE HONEST AND
  • 00:10:16.795 --> 00:10:18.930
  • BUT I WANNA BE HONEST ANDSAY THAT, WHEN THAT BOOK
  • 00:10:18.930 --> 00:10:20.165
  • SAY THAT, WHEN THAT BOOKFIRST CAME OUT,
  • 00:10:20.165 --> 00:10:21.399
  • FIRST CAME OUT,MY "BONHOEFFER" BOOK-- RIGHT?
  • 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:23.535
  • MY "BONHOEFFER" BOOK-- RIGHT?-- THE INITIAL PUBLISHER,
  • 00:10:23.535 --> 00:10:24.969
  • -- THE INITIAL PUBLISHER,I HAD TO MOVE IT, BUT,
  • 00:10:24.969 --> 00:10:25.837
  • I HAD TO MOVE IT, BUT,YOU KNOW, THEY SAY,
  • 00:10:25.837 --> 00:10:27.238
  • YOU KNOW, THEY SAY,"A 600-PAGE BOOK ABOUT A
  • 00:10:27.238 --> 00:10:28.339
  • "A 600-PAGE BOOK ABOUT AGERMAN THEOLOGIAN--
  • 00:10:28.339 --> 00:10:29.274
  • GERMAN THEOLOGIAN--WE ACTUALLY WANT TO
  • 00:10:29.274 --> 00:10:30.975
  • WE ACTUALLY WANT TOSELL BOOKS.
  • 00:10:30.975 --> 00:10:31.543
  • SELL BOOKS.THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK."
  • 00:10:31.543 --> 00:10:32.210
  • THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK."[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:32.210 --> 00:10:33.611
  • [LAUGHTER]AND I WAS SO INFURIATED
  • 00:10:33.611 --> 00:10:34.879
  • AND I WAS SO INFURIATEDBECAUSE I THOUGHT TO
  • 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:35.447
  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT TOMYSELF, "I KNOW FOR A FACT
  • 00:10:35.447 --> 00:10:36.114
  • MYSELF, "I KNOW FOR A FACTTHAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED
  • 00:10:36.114 --> 00:10:39.150
  • THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTEDIN THIS.
  • 00:10:39.150 --> 00:10:39.718
  • IN THIS.I'M NOT JUST A LONG-WINDED
  • 00:10:39.718 --> 00:10:40.985
  • I'M NOT JUST A LONG-WINDEDWRITER.
  • 00:10:40.985 --> 00:10:42.353
  • WRITER.I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A
  • 00:10:42.353 --> 00:10:43.955
  • I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ALOT OF FAT HERE, AND IF
  • 00:10:43.955 --> 00:10:44.923
  • LOT OF FAT HERE, AND IFYOU CUT IT, PEOPLE
  • 00:10:44.923 --> 00:10:45.757
  • YOU CUT IT, PEOPLEAREN'T-- THEY WANT MORE."
  • 00:10:45.757 --> 00:10:47.492
  • AREN'T-- THEY WANT MORE."SO WE SWITCHED PUBLISHERS,
  • 00:10:47.492 --> 00:10:49.494
  • SO WE SWITCHED PUBLISHERS,AND, OF COURSE, IT ENDED
  • 00:10:49.494 --> 00:10:51.096
  • AND, OF COURSE, IT ENDEDUP, YOU KNOW, DOING
  • 00:10:51.096 --> 00:10:52.030
  • UP, YOU KNOW, DOINGDRAMATICALLY WELL, BUT IT
  • 00:10:52.030 --> 00:10:53.565
  • DRAMATICALLY WELL, BUT ITTAUGHT THE WHOLE
  • 00:10:53.565 --> 00:10:55.166
  • TAUGHT THE WHOLEPUBLISHING INDUSTRY, IN
  • 00:10:55.166 --> 00:10:56.401
  • PUBLISHING INDUSTRY, INTHE CHRISTIAN WORLD, THERE
  • 00:10:56.401 --> 00:10:58.937
  • THE CHRISTIAN WORLD, THEREIS A HUNGER FOR DEPTH AND
  • 00:10:58.937 --> 00:11:00.438
  • IS A HUNGER FOR DEPTH ANDTHAT, WHEN WE DUMB THINGS
  • 00:11:00.438 --> 00:11:01.272
  • THAT, WHEN WE DUMB THINGSDOWN, WE'RE NOT DOING
  • 00:11:01.272 --> 00:11:03.041
  • DOWN, WE'RE NOT DOINGANYBODY A FAVOR.
  • 00:11:03.041 --> 00:11:04.409
  • ANYBODY A FAVOR.YOU SAID, SENATOR--
  • 00:11:04.409 --> 00:11:05.577
  • YOU SAID, SENATOR--- TED: WELL, A QUICK STORY
  • 00:11:05.577 --> 00:11:06.945
  • - TED: WELL, A QUICK STORYON THAT, ERIC.
  • 00:11:06.945 --> 00:11:07.679
  • ON THAT, ERIC.YOU KNOW, YOU REFERENCED
  • 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:08.713
  • YOU KNOW, YOU REFERENCEDYOUR MOTHER.
  • 00:11:08.713 --> 00:11:11.983
  • YOUR MOTHER.SO, WITH THE "BONHOEFFER"
  • 00:11:11.983 --> 00:11:13.084
  • SO, WITH THE "BONHOEFFER"BOOK, I HAD A FRIEND OF
  • 00:11:13.084 --> 00:11:13.685
  • BOOK, I HAD A FRIEND OFMINE WHO GAVE IT TO ME,
  • 00:11:13.685 --> 00:11:14.152
  • MINE WHO GAVE IT TO ME,AND, LOOK, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:14.152 --> 00:11:14.853
  • AND, LOOK, YOU KNOW,DIFFERENT PEOPLE GIVE YOU
  • 00:11:14.853 --> 00:11:15.754
  • DIFFERENT PEOPLE GIVE YOUBOOKS, AND TO BE HONEST,
  • 00:11:15.754 --> 00:11:16.488
  • BOOKS, AND TO BE HONEST,WHEN A FRIEND OF MINE GAVE
  • 00:11:16.488 --> 00:11:17.589
  • WHEN A FRIEND OF MINE GAVEIT TO ME, I JUST SET IT
  • 00:11:17.589 --> 00:11:18.423
  • IT TO ME, I JUST SET ITON THE BOOKSHELF,
  • 00:11:18.423 --> 00:11:19.257
  • ON THE BOOKSHELF,AND I DIDN'T READ IT.
  • 00:11:19.257 --> 00:11:19.991
  • AND I DIDN'T READ IT.AND THEN, AT
  • 00:11:19.991 --> 00:11:20.825
  • AND THEN, ATCHRISTMASTIME, MY MOTHER
  • 00:11:20.825 --> 00:11:21.893
  • CHRISTMASTIME, MY MOTHERGAVE IT TO ME, AND I
  • 00:11:21.893 --> 00:11:23.194
  • GAVE IT TO ME, AND IACTUALLY-- THAT TWO PEOPLE
  • 00:11:23.194 --> 00:11:25.096
  • ACTUALLY-- THAT TWO PEOPLEGAVE ME THE SAME HARDCOVER
  • 00:11:25.096 --> 00:11:26.297
  • GAVE ME THE SAME HARDCOVERBOOK-- I'VE GOT TWO OF 'EM
  • 00:11:26.297 --> 00:11:27.832
  • BOOK-- I'VE GOT TWO OF 'EMAT HOME-- AND WHEN MY MOM
  • 00:11:27.832 --> 00:11:28.867
  • AT HOME-- AND WHEN MY MOMGAVE IT TO ME, I ACTUALLY
  • 00:11:28.867 --> 00:11:31.169
  • GAVE IT TO ME, I ACTUALLYTOOK IT AS A SIGN.
  • 00:11:31.169 --> 00:11:31.903
  • TOOK IT AS A SIGN.I WAS LIKE, "ALL RIGHT,
  • 00:11:31.903 --> 00:11:33.071
  • I WAS LIKE, "ALL RIGHT,GOD, YOU WANT ME TO READ
  • 00:11:33.071 --> 00:11:33.605
  • GOD, YOU WANT ME TO READTHIS BOOK."
  • 00:11:33.605 --> 00:11:34.339
  • THIS BOOK."AND SO I DID,
  • 00:11:34.339 --> 00:11:34.873
  • AND SO I DID,AND IT WAS POWERFUL AND
  • 00:11:34.873 --> 00:11:37.275
  • AND IT WAS POWERFUL ANDBEAUTIFUL, AND ALTHOUGH I
  • 00:11:37.275 --> 00:11:38.309
  • BEAUTIFUL, AND ALTHOUGH ISAID I'M ON THE FENCE WITH
  • 00:11:38.309 --> 00:11:39.210
  • SAID I'M ON THE FENCE WITH"AMAZING GRACE"--
  • 00:11:39.210 --> 00:11:39.944
  • "AMAZING GRACE"--AND I THINK THE MOVIE
  • 00:11:39.944 --> 00:11:40.845
  • AND I THINK THE MOVIEIS ALSO WONDERFUL.
  • 00:11:40.845 --> 00:11:41.579
  • IS ALSO WONDERFUL.IN MY OFFICE OF THE
  • 00:11:41.579 --> 00:11:42.847
  • IN MY OFFICE OF THESENATE, I HAVE A LETTER
  • 00:11:42.847 --> 00:11:44.449
  • SENATE, I HAVE A LETTERFROM WILLIAM WILBERFORCE,
  • 00:11:44.449 --> 00:11:47.652
  • FROM WILLIAM WILBERFORCE,AND I'LL CONFESS I HAVE
  • 00:11:47.652 --> 00:11:50.188
  • AND I'LL CONFESS I HAVESOME FONDNESS IN MY HEART
  • 00:11:50.188 --> 00:11:51.823
  • SOME FONDNESS IN MY HEARTFOR THAT STORY BECAUSE HE
  • 00:11:51.823 --> 00:11:54.526
  • FOR THAT STORY BECAUSE HEWAS WORKING IN THE FIELDS
  • 00:11:54.526 --> 00:11:56.194
  • WAS WORKING IN THE FIELDSOF POLITICS, AND THERE ARE
  • 00:11:56.194 --> 00:11:57.695
  • OF POLITICS, AND THERE ARETIMES, YOU KNOW, AS YOU
  • 00:11:57.695 --> 00:11:59.464
  • TIMES, YOU KNOW, AS YOUCHRONICLE SO BEAUTIFULLY,
  • 00:11:59.464 --> 00:12:00.698
  • CHRONICLE SO BEAUTIFULLY,WHEN HE STARTED OUT AND
  • 00:12:00.698 --> 00:12:01.800
  • WHEN HE STARTED OUT ANDSTARTED SPEAKING OUT
  • 00:12:01.800 --> 00:12:03.067
  • STARTED SPEAKING OUTAGAINST THE SLAVE TRADE,
  • 00:12:03.067 --> 00:12:04.836
  • AGAINST THE SLAVE TRADE,HE WAS A LONELY VOICE, AND
  • 00:12:04.836 --> 00:12:07.105
  • HE WAS A LONELY VOICE, ANDIT WAS AN ABSURD HUBRIS.
  • 00:12:07.105 --> 00:12:09.340
  • IT WAS AN ABSURD HUBRIS.I MEAN, IT WAS
  • 00:12:09.340 --> 00:12:12.277
  • I MEAN, IT WASUNIMAGINABLE TO TAKE ON
  • 00:12:12.277 --> 00:12:14.179
  • UNIMAGINABLE TO TAKE ONTHE SLAVE TRADE AND THE
  • 00:12:14.179 --> 00:12:15.980
  • THE SLAVE TRADE AND THEJOURNEY OF FIGHTING FOR
  • 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:17.148
  • JOURNEY OF FIGHTING FORWHAT YOU BELIEVE IN AND
  • 00:12:17.148 --> 00:12:19.350
  • WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN ANDDOING SO IN A CLEAR,
  • 00:12:19.350 --> 00:12:22.754
  • DOING SO IN A CLEAR,PRINCIPLED WAY THAT MOVES
  • 00:12:22.754 --> 00:12:24.923
  • PRINCIPLED WAY THAT MOVESAND TRANSFORMS HEARTS AND
  • 00:12:24.923 --> 00:12:26.157
  • AND TRANSFORMS HEARTS ANDTRANSFORMS THE SOCIETY--
  • 00:12:26.157 --> 00:12:29.460
  • TRANSFORMS THE SOCIETY--THAT INSPIRES ME
  • 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:32.230
  • THAT INSPIRES MEPOWERFULLY AND DEEPLY.
  • 00:12:32.230 --> 00:12:33.097
  • POWERFULLY AND DEEPLY.- ERIC: WELL, YEAH,
  • 00:12:33.097 --> 00:12:34.666
  • - ERIC: WELL, YEAH,AGAIN, YOU'RE VERY KIND.
  • 00:12:34.666 --> 00:12:35.633
  • AGAIN, YOU'RE VERY KIND.I HAVE TO SAY THAT,
  • 00:12:35.633 --> 00:12:37.335
  • I HAVE TO SAY THAT,YOU KNOW, THAT-- BOTH OF THOSE
  • 00:12:37.335 --> 00:12:38.303
  • YOU KNOW, THAT-- BOTH OF THOSEBOOKS, WHEN I WROTE THEM,
  • 00:12:38.303 --> 00:12:41.706
  • BOOKS, WHEN I WROTE THEM,I HAD NO SENSE REALLY OF
  • 00:12:41.706 --> 00:12:43.041
  • I HAD NO SENSE REALLY OFWHAT I WAS DOING EXCEPT
  • 00:12:43.041 --> 00:12:43.741
  • WHAT I WAS DOING EXCEPTTRYING TO FOLLOW GOD'S
  • 00:12:43.741 --> 00:12:45.076
  • TRYING TO FOLLOW GOD'SLEADING.
  • 00:12:45.076 --> 00:12:46.311
  • LEADING.WHEN I WROTE THE
  • 00:12:46.311 --> 00:12:48.279
  • WHEN I WROTE THEWILBERFORCE BOOK,
  • 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:49.480
  • WILBERFORCE BOOK,SINCE THEN, PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:50.615
  • SINCE THEN, PEOPLE HAVECONSTANTLY SAID TO ME,
  • 00:12:50.615 --> 00:12:51.883
  • CONSTANTLY SAID TO ME,"THIS IS THE STORY OF
  • 00:12:51.883 --> 00:12:55.520
  • "THIS IS THE STORY OFDEFENDING THE UNBORN TODAY.
  • 00:12:55.520 --> 00:12:56.321
  • DEFENDING THE UNBORN TODAY.THIS IS THAT STORY.
  • 00:12:56.321 --> 00:12:56.888
  • THIS IS THAT STORY.THIS GIVES US INSPIRATION
  • 00:12:56.888 --> 00:12:57.822
  • THIS GIVES US INSPIRATIONTO CARRY ON."
  • 00:12:57.822 --> 00:12:59.090
  • TO CARRY ON."AND THE "BONHOEFFER" BOOK,
  • 00:12:59.090 --> 00:13:00.592
  • AND THE "BONHOEFFER" BOOK,I HAD A KEEN SENSE--
  • 00:13:00.592 --> 00:13:01.860
  • I HAD A KEEN SENSE--I TRIED NOT TO UNDERSCORE IT
  • 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:02.327
  • I TRIED NOT TO UNDERSCORE ITIN THE BOOK,
  • 00:13:02.327 --> 00:13:03.461
  • IN THE BOOK,BUT I HAD A KEEN SENSE THAT
  • 00:13:03.461 --> 00:13:05.196
  • BUT I HAD A KEEN SENSE THATIT WAS A PROPHETIC STORY
  • 00:13:05.196 --> 00:13:06.664
  • IT WAS A PROPHETIC STORYABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING
  • 00:13:06.664 --> 00:13:09.701
  • ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENINGIN OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW
  • 00:13:09.701 --> 00:13:10.535
  • IN OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOWAND OF HOW DIFFICULT IT
  • 00:13:10.535 --> 00:13:11.669
  • AND OF HOW DIFFICULT ITWOULD BE AND HOW THE CHURCH
  • 00:13:11.669 --> 00:13:13.504
  • WOULD BE AND HOW THE CHURCHWOULD OFTEN BE GUILTY OF,
  • 00:13:13.504 --> 00:13:16.140
  • WOULD OFTEN BE GUILTY OF,FALLING IN, IN THIS
  • 00:13:16.140 --> 00:13:19.377
  • FALLING IN, IN THISCASE, WITH THE MARXISTS,
  • 00:13:19.377 --> 00:13:20.478
  • CASE, WITH THE MARXISTS,FOR EXAMPLE, RATHER THAN
  • 00:13:20.478 --> 00:13:21.179
  • FOR EXAMPLE, RATHER THANREALLY UNDERSTANDING
  • 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:22.480
  • REALLY UNDERSTANDINGWHAT'S AT STAKE AND
  • 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:23.314
  • WHAT'S AT STAKE ANDBRAVELY SPEAKING UP.
  • 00:13:23.314 --> 00:13:24.148
  • BRAVELY SPEAKING UP.SO, OBVIOUSLY, HISTORY'S
  • 00:13:24.148 --> 00:13:25.884
  • SO, OBVIOUSLY, HISTORY'SIMPORTANT.
  • 00:13:25.884 --> 00:13:26.784
  • IMPORTANT.I WANNA SEND BOTH OF YOU A
  • 00:13:26.784 --> 00:13:28.419
  • I WANNA SEND BOTH OF YOU ACOPY MY BOOK
  • 00:13:28.419 --> 00:13:29.320
  • COPY MY BOOK"IF YOU CAN KEEP IT"
  • 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.021
  • "IF YOU CAN KEEP IT"BECAUSE IT GETS TO THE ISSUE
  • 00:13:30.021 --> 00:13:31.289
  • BECAUSE IT GETS TO THE ISSUEOF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:13:31.289 --> 00:13:32.957
  • OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUTIS WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO
  • 00:13:32.957 --> 00:13:34.392
  • IS WHAT DOES IT MEAN TOKEEP THE REPUBLIC,
  • 00:13:34.392 --> 00:13:36.227
  • KEEP THE REPUBLIC,AND WHY HAVE WE ALLOWED
  • 00:13:36.227 --> 00:13:37.896
  • AND WHY HAVE WE ALLOWEDDECADES TO GO BY,
  • 00:13:37.896 --> 00:13:38.997
  • DECADES TO GO BY,REALLY, SINCE THE '60s,
  • 00:13:38.997 --> 00:13:40.531
  • REALLY, SINCE THE '60s,WHERE WE'VE NOT TAUGHT
  • 00:13:40.531 --> 00:13:42.367
  • WHERE WE'VE NOT TAUGHTTHESE BASICS?
  • 00:13:42.367 --> 00:13:42.934
  • THESE BASICS?THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S A
  • 00:13:42.934 --> 00:13:43.534
  • THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S AHUGE HUNGER FOR IT,
  • 00:13:43.534 --> 00:13:45.870
  • I HAVE TO ASK YOU, WHY DID
  • 00:13:47.872 --> 00:13:48.506
  • I HAVE TO ASK YOU, WHY DIDYOU CALL YOUR PODCAST THAT
  • 00:13:48.506 --> 00:13:49.073
  • YOU CALL YOUR PODCAST THATYOU'RE DOING TOGETHER THE
  • 00:13:49.073 --> 00:13:50.875
  • YOU'RE DOING TOGETHER THE"VERDICT"?
  • 00:13:50.875 --> 00:13:51.709
  • "VERDICT"?IS THAT A NOD TO THE PAUL
  • 00:13:51.709 --> 00:13:54.646
  • IS THAT A NOD TO THE PAULNEWMAN MOVIE?
  • 00:13:54.646 --> 00:13:55.146
  • NEWMAN MOVIE?- MICHAEL: WELL, YOU
  • 00:13:55.146 --> 00:13:55.780
  • - MICHAEL: WELL, YOUKNOW, ONE THING WE ALWAYS
  • 00:13:55.780 --> 00:13:56.581
  • KNOW, ONE THING WE ALWAYSTRY TO DO TO MAKE THE
  • 00:13:56.581 --> 00:13:57.482
  • TRY TO DO TO MAKE THEPODCAST REALLY RELATABLE
  • 00:13:57.482 --> 00:13:58.549
  • PODCAST REALLY RELATABLEIS HAVE PLAYS ON LATIN
  • 00:13:58.549 --> 00:14:00.518
  • IS HAVE PLAYS ON LATINETYMOLOGY.
  • 00:14:00.518 --> 00:14:01.352
  • ETYMOLOGY.WE JUST FIND THERE'S
  • 00:14:01.352 --> 00:14:01.886
  • WE JUST FIND THERE'SNOTHING MORE POPULAR THAN
  • 00:14:01.886 --> 00:14:03.121
  • NOTHING MORE POPULAR THANTHAT, AND SO, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:14:03.121 --> 00:14:04.188
  • THAT, AND SO, OBVIOUSLY,THERE'S A LITTLE PLAY,
  • 00:14:04.188 --> 00:14:05.456
  • THERE'S A LITTLE PLAY,BECAUSE IT BEGAN IMPEACHMENT.
  • 00:14:05.456 --> 00:14:06.124
  • BECAUSE IT BEGAN IMPEACHMENT.- TED: YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND,
  • 00:14:06.124 --> 00:14:07.225
  • - TED: YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND,MICHAEL'S A YALE GRADUATE,
  • 00:14:07.225 --> 00:14:08.660
  • MICHAEL'S A YALE GRADUATE,AND SO WE DO GIVE HIM SOME
  • 00:14:08.660 --> 00:14:10.128
  • AND SO WE DO GIVE HIM SOMEGRIEF FOR THAT
  • 00:14:10.128 --> 00:14:13.197
  • - MICHAEL: SENATOR, I
  • 00:14:14.232 --> 00:14:14.766
  • - MICHAEL: SENATOR, ITHINK YOU'RE OUTNUMBERED
  • 00:14:14.766 --> 00:14:15.333
  • THINK YOU'RE OUTNUMBEREDHERE ON THE SHOW WITH ERIC
  • 00:14:15.333 --> 00:14:15.767
  • HERE ON THE SHOW WITH ERICAS WELL.
  • 00:14:15.767 --> 00:14:16.267
  • AS WELL.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:14:16.267 --> 00:14:16.935
  • [LAUGHTER]- TED: I UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:14:16.935 --> 00:14:18.303
  • - TED: I UNDERSTAND.THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT.
  • 00:14:18.303 --> 00:14:19.404
  • THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:14:19.404 --> 00:14:20.405
  • [LAUGHTER]- MICHAEL: SO WE DID HAVE
  • 00:14:20.405 --> 00:14:21.406
  • - MICHAEL: SO WE DID HAVETHESE JOKES ABOUT IT
  • 00:14:21.406 --> 00:14:22.273
  • THESE JOKES ABOUT ITBECAUSE WE START DURING
  • 00:14:22.273 --> 00:14:24.542
  • BUT WE OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS
  • 00:14:26.010 --> 00:14:26.711
  • BUT WE OBVIOUSLY ALWAYSWANTED THE SHOW TO BE
  • 00:14:26.711 --> 00:14:27.278
  • WANTED THE SHOW TO BEABOUT MANY MORE ISSUES AND
  • 00:14:27.278 --> 00:14:28.179
  • ABOUT MANY MORE ISSUES ANDREALLY FOCUS ON THE
  • 00:14:28.179 --> 00:14:29.147
  • REALLY FOCUS ON THEBROADER CONVERSATIONS.
  • 00:14:29.147 --> 00:14:30.415
  • BROADER CONVERSATIONS.SO "VERDICT" OBVIOUSLY
  • 00:14:30.415 --> 00:14:32.317
  • SO "VERDICT" OBVIOUSLYRELATES TO TRIALS AND TO
  • 00:14:32.317 --> 00:14:34.485
  • RELATES TO TRIALS AND TOTHE COURTS, BUT "VERDICT"
  • 00:14:34.485 --> 00:14:37.555
  • "VER," THE TRUTH.
  • 00:14:40.058 --> 00:14:41.125
  • "VER," THE TRUTH."DICT" IS A TRUE SAYING.
  • 00:14:41.125 --> 00:14:41.726
  • "DICT" IS A TRUE SAYING.- ERIC: UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:14:41.726 --> 00:14:42.293
  • - ERIC: UNBELIEVABLE.- MICHAEL: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:14:42.293 --> 00:14:42.860
  • - MICHAEL: THAT'S RIGHT.SO WE LIKE TO THINK THAT,
  • 00:14:42.860 --> 00:14:43.361
  • SO WE LIKE TO THINK THAT,IN A CULTURE WHERE THE
  • 00:14:43.361 --> 00:14:45.563
  • IN A CULTURE WHERE THEMAINSTREAM MEDIA IN
  • 00:14:45.563 --> 00:14:47.598
  • MAINSTREAM MEDIA INPARTICULAR ARE JUST
  • 00:14:47.598 --> 00:14:49.701
  • PARTICULAR ARE JUSTTELLING YOU OUTRIGHT LIES
  • 00:14:49.701 --> 00:14:51.302
  • TELLING YOU OUTRIGHT LIESVERY OFTEN WHERE IT'S VERY
  • 00:14:51.302 --> 00:14:52.904
  • VERY OFTEN WHERE IT'S VERYHARD TO GET AROUND THAT,
  • 00:14:52.904 --> 00:14:54.105
  • HARD TO GET AROUND THAT,WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO
  • 00:14:54.105 --> 00:14:54.939
  • WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TOTHE TRUTH OF THE MATTERS,
  • 00:14:54.939 --> 00:14:57.008
  • THE TRUTH OF THE MATTERS,AND THAT CAN BE ON THE,
  • 00:14:57.008 --> 00:14:58.009
  • AND THAT CAN BE ON THE,YOU KNOW, DAY-BY-DAY
  • 00:14:58.009 --> 00:14:58.810
  • YOU KNOW, DAY-BY-DAYISSUES, THAT CAN BE ON THE
  • 00:14:58.810 --> 00:14:59.510
  • ISSUES, THAT CAN BE ON THEUNDERLYING POLITICAL
  • 00:14:59.510 --> 00:15:00.712
  • UNDERLYING POLITICALISSUES, AND IT CAN EVEN
  • 00:15:00.712 --> 00:15:01.879
  • ISSUES, AND IT CAN EVENGET TO THE VALUES,
  • 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:02.914
  • GET TO THE VALUES,THE RELIGIOUS VALUES, THE
  • 00:15:02.914 --> 00:15:03.815
  • THE RELIGIOUS VALUES, THESPIRITUAL VALUES THAT
  • 00:15:03.815 --> 00:15:05.650
  • SPIRITUAL VALUES THATUNDERGIRD OUR SYSTEM.
  • 00:15:05.650 --> 00:15:06.451
  • UNDERGIRD OUR SYSTEM.YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE JUST
  • 00:15:06.451 --> 00:15:07.218
  • YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE JUSTBEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE,
  • 00:15:07.218 --> 00:15:08.586
  • BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE,AS CARDINAL MANNING
  • 00:15:08.586 --> 00:15:11.222
  • AS CARDINAL MANNINGFAMOUSLY SAID, "A LOT OF
  • 00:15:11.222 --> 00:15:11.856
  • FAMOUSLY SAID, "A LOT OFCONFLICT BOILS DOWN TO
  • 00:15:11.856 --> 00:15:12.757
  • CONFLICT BOILS DOWN TODEBATES OVER FUNDAMENTAL
  • 00:15:12.757 --> 00:15:14.993
  • DEBATES OVER FUNDAMENTALVALUES OF A RELIGION."
  • 00:15:14.993 --> 00:15:15.827
  • VALUES OF A RELIGION."AND SO WE WANT TO ADDRESS
  • 00:15:15.827 --> 00:15:16.861
  • AND SO WE WANT TO ADDRESSALL OF THAT.
  • 00:15:16.861 --> 00:15:17.996
  • ALL OF THAT.IT GETS INTO HISTORY,
  • 00:15:17.996 --> 00:15:18.997
  • IT GETS INTO HISTORY,IT GETS INTO PHILOSOPHY, AND,
  • 00:15:18.997 --> 00:15:20.798
  • IT GETS INTO PHILOSOPHY, AND,OF COURSE, THAT FEEDS UP
  • 00:15:20.798 --> 00:15:23.067
  • - TED: WELL, AND WE TRY
  • 00:15:24.635 --> 00:15:25.436
  • - TED: WELL, AND WE TRYTO DO IT ALSO IN A WAY
  • 00:15:25.436 --> 00:15:26.037
  • TO DO IT ALSO IN A WAYTHAT IS FUN AND INTERESTING.
  • 00:15:26.037 --> 00:15:27.038
  • THAT IS FUN AND INTERESTING.MOST PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY
  • 00:15:27.038 --> 00:15:27.705
  • MOST PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILYWANT SORT OF A DRY LECTURE.
  • 00:15:27.705 --> 00:15:30.908
  • WANT SORT OF A DRY LECTURE.THEY WANNA HAVE SOME FUN,
  • 00:15:30.908 --> 00:15:34.345
  • THEY WANNA HAVE SOME FUN,AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT
  • 00:15:34.345 --> 00:15:35.947
  • AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUTTHINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE,
  • 00:15:35.947 --> 00:15:37.348
  • THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE,DURING THE IMPEACHMENT
  • 00:15:37.348 --> 00:15:40.618
  • WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE
  • 00:15:42.754 --> 00:15:43.354
  • WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THESENATE RULES WHICH CONCERNS
  • 00:15:43.354 --> 00:15:43.955
  • SENATE RULES WHICH CONCERNSTHERE ARE TWO THINGS YOU CAN
  • 00:15:43.955 --> 00:15:44.689
  • THERE ARE TWO THINGS YOU CANDRINK ON THE SENATE FLOOR.
  • 00:15:44.689 --> 00:15:45.423
  • DRINK ON THE SENATE FLOOR.YOU CAN DRINK WATER, AND
  • 00:15:45.423 --> 00:15:48.059
  • YOU CAN DRINK WATER, ANDYOU CAN DRINK MILK.
  • 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:48.826
  • YOU CAN DRINK MILK.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:48.826 --> 00:15:49.927
  • [LAUGHTER]AND THE REASON FOR THAT--
  • 00:15:49.927 --> 00:15:50.828
  • AND THE REASON FOR THAT--AND THIS IS WHERE THE
  • 00:15:50.828 --> 00:15:51.662
  • AND THIS IS WHERE THESENATE IS A CURIOUS PLACE
  • 00:15:51.662 --> 00:15:52.196
  • SENATE IS A CURIOUS PLACEWITH STRANGE RULES.
  • 00:15:52.196 --> 00:15:54.032
  • WITH STRANGE RULES.IT GOES BACK TO SENATOR
  • 00:15:54.032 --> 00:15:55.833
  • IT GOES BACK TO SENATOREVERETT DIRKSEN, WHO WAS
  • 00:15:55.833 --> 00:15:57.301
  • EVERETT DIRKSEN, WHO WASSPEAKING ON THE SENATE
  • 00:15:57.301 --> 00:15:58.703
  • SPEAKING ON THE SENATEFLOOR, AND HE SAID TO THE
  • 00:15:58.703 --> 00:15:59.203
  • FLOOR, AND HE SAID TO THEPRESIDING OFFICER,
  • 00:15:59.203 --> 00:16:01.072
  • PRESIDING OFFICER,HE SAID, "MY THROAT IS A
  • 00:16:01.072 --> 00:16:03.908
  • HE SAID, "MY THROAT IS ALITTLE PARCHED.
  • 00:16:03.908 --> 00:16:05.643
  • LITTLE PARCHED.IS IT CONSISTENT WITH A
  • 00:16:05.643 --> 00:16:08.479
  • IS IT CONSISTENT WITH ASENATE RULE FOR A PAGE TO
  • 00:16:08.479 --> 00:16:10.748
  • SENATE RULE FOR A PAGE TOBRING ME A GLASS OF MILK?"
  • 00:16:10.748 --> 00:16:11.449
  • BRING ME A GLASS OF MILK?"AND THE PRESIDING OFFICER
  • 00:16:11.449 --> 00:16:12.750
  • AND THE PRESIDING OFFICERSAID, "THERE'S NOTHING IN
  • 00:16:12.750 --> 00:16:13.451
  • SAID, "THERE'S NOTHING INTHE SENATE RULES THAT
  • 00:16:13.451 --> 00:16:16.521
  • THE SENATE RULES THATPROHIBIT THE SENATOR'S
  • 00:16:16.521 --> 00:16:18.589
  • PROHIBIT THE SENATOR'SGETTING A GLASS OF MILK."
  • 00:16:18.589 --> 00:16:20.191
  • GETTING A GLASS OF MILK."THAT STATEMENT, THAT
  • 00:16:20.191 --> 00:16:21.592
  • THAT STATEMENT, THATEXCHANGE ENDED UP-- THAT
  • 00:16:21.592 --> 00:16:22.326
  • EXCHANGE ENDED UP-- THATIS A PRECEDENT NOW IN THE
  • 00:16:22.326 --> 00:16:23.461
  • IS A PRECEDENT NOW IN THESENATE, AND IT'S WRITTEN
  • 00:16:23.461 --> 00:16:24.362
  • SENATE, AND IT'S WRITTENIN WHAT'S CALLED
  • 00:16:24.362 --> 00:16:25.663
  • IN WHAT'S CALLED"RIDDICK'S PROCEDURES."
  • 00:16:25.663 --> 00:16:26.531
  • "RIDDICK'S PROCEDURES."SO WE ALL HAVE A BOOK IN OUR
  • 00:16:26.531 --> 00:16:27.732
  • SO WE ALL HAVE A BOOK IN OURDESKS ON THE SENATE FLOOR
  • 00:16:27.732 --> 00:16:28.666
  • DESKS ON THE SENATE FLOORTHAT LISTS RIDDICK'S
  • 00:16:28.666 --> 00:16:30.435
  • THAT LISTS RIDDICK'SPRECEDENTS, AND BECAUSE OF
  • 00:16:30.435 --> 00:16:33.171
  • PRECEDENTS, AND BECAUSE OFTHAT EXCHANGE, IT IS NOW A
  • 00:16:33.171 --> 00:16:34.672
  • THAT EXCHANGE, IT IS NOW APRECEDENT THAT YOU
  • 00:16:34.672 --> 00:16:36.407
  • PRECEDENT THAT YOUCAN GET MILK.
  • 00:16:36.407 --> 00:16:37.842
  • CAN GET MILK.SO DURING THE IMPEACHMENT
  • 00:16:37.842 --> 00:16:38.409
  • SO DURING THE IMPEACHMENTTRIAL, I ORDERED SOME
  • 00:16:38.409 --> 00:16:39.510
  • TRIAL, I ORDERED SOMEMILK, AND WE TOLD
  • 00:16:39.510 --> 00:16:40.211
  • MILK, AND WE TOLDTHAT STORY.
  • 00:16:40.211 --> 00:16:41.179
  • THAT STORY.IT'S JUST KIND OF A FUN,
  • 00:16:41.179 --> 00:16:44.382
  • IT'S JUST KIND OF A FUN,LIKE, INSIDE PIECE OF IT.
  • 00:16:44.382 --> 00:16:45.450
  • LIKE, INSIDE PIECE OF IT.- ERIC: YOU GUYS HAVE
  • 00:16:45.450 --> 00:16:48.286
  • - ERIC: YOU GUYS HAVEWHETTED MY APPETITE
  • 00:16:48.286 --> 00:16:48.786
  • WHETTED MY APPETITEDRAMATICALLY, AND IT'S
  • 00:16:48.786 --> 00:16:49.887
  • DRAMATICALLY, AND IT'STOUGH TO DO 'CAUSE I DON'T
  • 00:16:49.887 --> 00:16:52.123
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:53.357 --> 00:16:54.058
  • [LAUGHTER]BUT LET ME TELL YOU, I CARE
  • 00:16:54.058 --> 00:16:54.725
  • BUT LET ME TELL YOU, I CAREABOUT THE WAY YOU'RE DOING.
  • 00:16:54.725 --> 00:16:55.226
  • ABOUT THE WAY YOU'RE DOING.CONGRATULATIONS ON THE
  • 00:16:55.226 --> 00:16:56.461
  • CONGRATULATIONS ON THE"VERDICT."
  • 00:16:56.461 --> 00:16:57.095
  • "VERDICT."THEY'RE TELLING ME I NEED
  • 00:16:57.095 --> 00:16:58.296
  • THEY'RE TELLING ME I NEEDTO WRAP THIS UP,
  • 00:16:58.296 --> 00:17:00.031
  • TO WRAP THIS UP,BUT IT'S SUCH A JOY TO
  • 00:17:00.031 --> 00:17:00.765
  • BUT IT'S SUCH A JOY TOSPEAK WITH BOTH OF YOU.
  • 00:17:00.765 --> 00:17:01.365
  • SPEAK WITH BOTH OF YOU.I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING IT
  • 00:17:01.365 --> 00:17:02.433
  • I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING ITAGAIN.
  • 00:17:02.433 --> 00:17:04.001
  • AGAIN.WHEN YOU RAISE THE FUNDS,
  • 00:17:04.001 --> 00:17:07.305
  • WHEN YOU RAISE THE FUNDS,I'LL COME ON YOUR PROGRAM.
  • 00:17:07.305 --> 00:17:08.206
  • I'LL COME ON YOUR PROGRAM.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:17:08.206 --> 00:17:08.840
  • [LAUGHTER]IN FACT, I'LL HAVE--
  • 00:17:08.840 --> 00:17:11.275
  • IN FACT, I'LL HAVE--I WILL HAVE MY FEE,
  • 00:17:11.275 --> 00:17:12.810
  • I WILL HAVE MY FEE,BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU
  • 00:17:12.810 --> 00:17:15.113
  • BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOUGUYS ARE STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY.
  • 00:17:15.113 --> 00:17:15.680
  • GUYS ARE STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY.SO ALL KIDDING ASIDE, IT'S
  • 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.548
  • SO ALL KIDDING ASIDE, IT'SSO MUCH FUN TO TALK TO YOU.
  • 00:17:17.548 --> 00:17:18.082
  • SO MUCH FUN TO TALK TO YOU.I DO HOPE I CAN COME ON
  • 00:17:18.082 --> 00:17:20.952
  • I DO HOPE I CAN COME ONYOUR PROBABLY.
  • 00:17:20.952 --> 00:17:21.919
  • YOUR PROBABLY.- TED: WE WOULD LOVE TO
  • 00:17:21.919 --> 00:17:22.487
  • - TED: WE WOULD LOVE TOHAVE YOU ON, AND I'D LOVE
  • 00:17:22.487 --> 00:17:22.987
  • HAVE YOU ON, AND I'D LOVETO DO SOMETHING LIKE A
  • 00:17:22.987 --> 00:17:23.588
  • TO DO SOMETHING LIKE ADEEP DIVE INTO WILBERFORCE
  • 00:17:23.588 --> 00:17:25.556
  • DEEP DIVE INTO WILBERFORCEAND TELL HIS STORY.
  • 00:17:25.556 --> 00:17:26.390
  • AND TELL HIS STORY.I THINK THAT WOULD BE A
  • 00:17:26.390 --> 00:17:29.293
  • - MICHAEL: YUP.
  • 00:17:31.329 --> 00:17:31.896
  • - MICHAEL: YUP.- ERIC: WELL, LISTEN, I'M
  • 00:17:31.896 --> 00:17:32.797
  • - ERIC: WELL, LISTEN, I'MAT YOUR SERVICE.
  • 00:17:32.797 --> 00:17:33.731
  • AT YOUR SERVICE.THESE THINGS-- LET'S FACE
  • 00:17:33.731 --> 00:17:34.765
  • THESE THINGS-- LET'S FACEIT, GENTS, THESE THINGS
  • 00:17:34.765 --> 00:17:36.767
  • IT, GENTS, THESE THINGSARE VERY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:17:36.767 --> 00:17:38.236
  • ARE VERY IMPORTANT.AS WE ALL KNOW, THE
  • 00:17:38.236 --> 00:17:39.137
  • AS WE ALL KNOW, THEREPUBLIC IS AT STAKE, AND
  • 00:17:39.137 --> 00:17:41.072
  • REPUBLIC IS AT STAKE, ANDNOT JUST THE REPUBLIC.
  • 00:17:41.072 --> 00:17:42.507
  • NOT JUST THE REPUBLIC."AS THIS REPUBLIC GOES,
  • 00:17:42.507 --> 00:17:44.475
  • "AS THIS REPUBLIC GOES,THE WORLD GOES.
  • 00:17:44.475 --> 00:17:45.409
  • THE WORLD GOES.WE'RE THE LAST BEST HOPE,"
  • 00:17:45.409 --> 00:17:45.943
  • WE'RE THE LAST BEST HOPE,"AS LINCOLN SAID IT, AND WE
  • 00:17:45.943 --> 00:17:47.378
  • AS LINCOLN SAID IT, AND WENEED TO FIGHT LIKE CRAZY.
  • 00:17:47.378 --> 00:17:48.379
  • NEED TO FIGHT LIKE CRAZY.SO GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHAT
  • 00:17:48.379 --> 00:17:48.880
  • SO GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHATYOU'RE BOTH DOING, AND I
  • 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:50.214
  • YOU'RE BOTH DOING, AND ILOOK FORWARD TO MORE
  • 00:17:50.214 --> 00:17:52.817
  • LOOK FORWARD TO MORECONVERSATIONS WITH YOU.
  • 00:17:52.817 --> 00:17:53.251
  • CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU.THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:17:53.251 --> 00:17:54.152
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH.- MICHAEL: THANK YOU, ERIC.
  • 00:17:54.152 --> 00:17:55.353
  • - MICHAEL: THANK YOU, ERIC.- TED: THANK YOU.
  • 00:17:55.353 --> 00:17:57.007
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:59.459 --> 00:18:00.426
  • [MUSIC]- ERIC: HEY THERE, TBN FAMILY.
  • 00:18:00.426 --> 00:18:01.594
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, TBN FAMILY.I HOPE YOU'VE BEEN
  • 00:18:01.594 --> 00:18:04.697
  • I HOPE YOU'VE BEENENJOYING MY CONVERSATION
  • 00:18:04.697 --> 00:18:05.598
  • ENJOYING MY CONVERSATIONWITH THE GREAT SENATOR
  • 00:18:05.598 --> 00:18:09.302
  • WITH THE GREAT SENATORTED CRUZ AND MICHAEL KNOWLES.
  • 00:18:09.302 --> 00:18:10.603
  • TED CRUZ AND MICHAEL KNOWLES.THERE'S ALWAYS SO MUCH
  • 00:18:10.603 --> 00:18:12.038
  • THERE'S ALWAYS SO MUCHMORE THAT I WANNA SHARE
  • 00:18:12.038 --> 00:18:12.372
  • MORE THAT I WANNA SHAREWITH YOU.
  • 00:18:12.372 --> 00:18:13.373
  • WITH YOU.AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
  • 00:18:13.373 --> 00:18:14.974
  • AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVELIMITED TIME ON THIS
  • 00:18:14.974 --> 00:18:16.809
  • LIMITED TIME ON THISPROGRAM, BUT THAT'S A GOOD
  • 00:18:16.809 --> 00:18:18.178
  • PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S A GOODOPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO
  • 00:18:18.178 --> 00:18:20.813
  • OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TOMENTION TO YOU THAT YOU
  • 00:18:20.813 --> 00:18:22.215
  • IN FACT, PLEASE DO ME A
  • 00:18:23.950 --> 00:18:25.084
  • IN FACT, PLEASE DO ME AFAVOR AND GO TO MY
  • 00:18:25.084 --> 00:18:27.020
  • FAVOR AND GO TO MYWEBSITE, ERICMETAXAS.COM.
  • 00:18:27.020 --> 00:18:27.987
  • WEBSITE, ERICMETAXAS.COM.IF YOU CAN'T SPELL
  • 00:18:27.987 --> 00:18:29.022
  • IF YOU CAN'T SPELLERIC METAXAS, YOU'RE STUCK.
  • 00:18:29.022 --> 00:18:32.492
  • ERIC METAXAS, YOU'RE STUCK.ERICMETAXAS.COM, AND I
  • 00:18:32.492 --> 00:18:33.126
  • ERICMETAXAS.COM, AND ISEND OUT A WEEKLY NEWSLETTER.
  • 00:18:33.126 --> 00:18:34.194
  • SEND OUT A WEEKLY NEWSLETTER.THE REASON I MENTION
  • 00:18:34.194 --> 00:18:35.562
  • THE REASON I MENTIONTHIS IS BECAUSE, WHAT WE
  • 00:18:35.562 --> 00:18:36.062
  • THIS IS BECAUSE, WHAT WETALK ABOUT ON THIS
  • 00:18:36.062 --> 00:18:37.597
  • TALK ABOUT ON THISPROGRAM, THERE'S SO MUCH
  • 00:18:37.597 --> 00:18:40.099
  • PROGRAM, THERE'S SO MUCHMORE THAT I SAY ON OTHER
  • 00:18:40.099 --> 00:18:41.434
  • MORE THAT I SAY ON OTHERPROGRAMS THAT I PUT ON
  • 00:18:41.434 --> 00:18:44.304
  • PROGRAMS THAT I PUT ONYOUTUBE OR HERE AND THERE,
  • 00:18:44.304 --> 00:18:44.871
  • YOUTUBE OR HERE AND THERE,AND I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE
  • 00:18:44.871 --> 00:18:47.774
  • IN FACT, WHAT I JUST
  • 00:18:49.008 --> 00:18:50.210
  • IN FACT, WHAT I JUSTTALKED TO SENATOR TED CRUZ
  • 00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:51.511
  • TALKED TO SENATOR TED CRUZABOUT IT, I MEAN, HE WAS
  • 00:18:51.511 --> 00:18:52.178
  • ABOUT IT, I MEAN, HE WASEMBARRASSING ME BY TELLING
  • 00:18:52.178 --> 00:18:53.246
  • EMBARRASSING ME BY TELLINGME HE DOESN'T KNOW WHICH
  • 00:18:53.246 --> 00:18:55.582
  • ME HE DOESN'T KNOW WHICHOF MY BOOKS HE LIKES
  • 00:18:55.582 --> 00:18:56.416
  • OF MY BOOKS HE LIKESBETTER, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:18:56.416 --> 00:18:57.317
  • BETTER, YOU KNOW,"BONHOEFFER," OR
  • 00:18:57.317 --> 00:18:58.351
  • "BONHOEFFER," OR"IF YOU CAN KEEP IT,"
  • 00:18:58.351 --> 00:18:59.085
  • "IF YOU CAN KEEP IT,"OR WHATEVER, AND I
  • 00:18:59.085 --> 00:18:59.652
  • OR WHATEVER, AND ITHOUGHT, IT'S A GOOD TIME
  • 00:18:59.652 --> 00:19:00.720
  • THOUGHT, IT'S A GOOD TIMEFOR ME TO TELL YOU A
  • 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:01.921
  • FOR ME TO TELL YOU ALITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I
  • 00:19:01.921 --> 00:19:02.755
  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY IWRITE SOME OF THESE BOOKS.
  • 00:19:02.755 --> 00:19:04.190
  • WRITE SOME OF THESE BOOKS.FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOOK,
  • 00:19:04.190 --> 00:19:06.593
  • FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOOK,"IF YOU CAN KEEP IT," THAT
  • 00:19:06.593 --> 00:19:08.127
  • "IF YOU CAN KEEP IT," THATIS THE BOOK, WHERE, BEFORE I
  • 00:19:08.127 --> 00:19:09.128
  • IS THE BOOK, WHERE, BEFORE IWROTE THAT BOOK, I MYSELF
  • 00:19:09.128 --> 00:19:10.730
  • WROTE THAT BOOK, I MYSELFDID NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND
  • 00:19:10.730 --> 00:19:12.999
  • DID NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDTHE LINK BETWEEN THE
  • 00:19:12.999 --> 00:19:14.000
  • THE LINK BETWEEN THEFREEDOM OF THE GOSPEL AND
  • 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.135
  • FREEDOM OF THE GOSPEL ANDTHE POLITICAL FREEDOM WE
  • 00:19:16.135 --> 00:19:17.170
  • THE POLITICAL FREEDOM WEHAVE IN A PLACE LIKE
  • 00:19:17.170 --> 00:19:17.971
  • HAVE IN A PLACE LIKEAMERICA, WHERE WE GOVERN
  • 00:19:17.971 --> 00:19:19.505
  • AMERICA, WHERE WE GOVERNOURSELVES.
  • 00:19:19.505 --> 00:19:20.540
  • OURSELVES.A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT
  • 00:19:20.540 --> 00:19:21.274
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THATYOU CAN'T MIX POLITICS AND
  • 00:19:21.274 --> 00:19:21.941
  • YOU CAN'T MIX POLITICS ANDFAITH.
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  • FAITH.WELL, I GET THAT, BUT IN
  • 00:19:23.243 --> 00:19:26.412
  • WELL, I GET THAT, BUT INANOTHER WAY, IT'S THE LORD
  • 00:19:26.412 --> 00:19:28.414
  • ANOTHER WAY, IT'S THE LORDIN HISTORY THROUGH THE
  • 00:19:28.414 --> 00:19:31.517
  • IN HISTORY THROUGH THEGOSPEL THAT LED US TO THIS
  • 00:19:31.517 --> 00:19:33.353
  • GOSPEL THAT LED US TO THISIDEA THAT WE COULD GOVERN
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  • IDEA THAT WE COULD GOVERNOURSELVES THAT, BECAUSE,
  • 00:19:35.154 --> 00:19:36.256
  • OURSELVES THAT, BECAUSE,IF WE LOOK TO HIM AS OUR
  • 00:19:36.256 --> 00:19:37.957
  • IF WE LOOK TO HIM AS OURAUTHORITY, THEN WE DON'T
  • 00:19:37.957 --> 00:19:39.659
  • AUTHORITY, THEN WE DON'TNEED A BUREAUCRACY OR A
  • 00:19:39.659 --> 00:19:41.894
  • NEED A BUREAUCRACY OR ATYRANNY OR PEOPLE WITH
  • 00:19:41.894 --> 00:19:43.429
  • TYRANNY OR PEOPLE WITHGUNS FORCING US TO DO THE
  • 00:19:43.429 --> 00:19:43.997
  • GUNS FORCING US TO DO THERIGHT THING BECAUSE WE
  • 00:19:43.997 --> 00:19:44.864
  • RIGHT THING BECAUSE WELOOK TO GOD.
  • 00:19:44.864 --> 00:19:45.865
  • LOOK TO GOD.WELL, THE FOUNDERS
  • 00:19:45.865 --> 00:19:46.899
  • WELL, THE FOUNDERSUNDERSTOOD THAT.
  • 00:19:46.899 --> 00:19:47.934
  • UNDERSTOOD THAT.I NEVER KNEW THIS.
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  • I NEVER KNEW THIS.I WAS NOT TAUGHT THIS IN
  • 00:19:48.568 --> 00:19:50.036
  • I WAS NOT TAUGHT THIS INSCHOOL, AND I'LL BET A LOT
  • 00:19:50.036 --> 00:19:51.104
  • SCHOOL, AND I'LL BET A LOTOF YOU WERE NOT TAUGHT
  • 00:19:51.104 --> 00:19:51.771
  • OF YOU WERE NOT TAUGHTTHIS IN SCHOOL THAT
  • 00:19:51.771 --> 00:19:52.905
  • THIS IN SCHOOL THATTHERE'S A REAL LINK THAT
  • 00:19:52.905 --> 00:19:53.706
  • THERE'S A REAL LINK THATTHE FOUNDERS OF THIS
  • 00:19:53.706 --> 00:19:54.907
  • THE FOUNDERS OF THISNATION UNDERSTOOD THAT THE
  • 00:19:54.907 --> 00:19:56.576
  • NATION UNDERSTOOD THAT THEIMPORTANCE OF VIRTUE AND
  • 00:19:56.576 --> 00:19:59.245
  • IMPORTANCE OF VIRTUE ANDTHE IMPORTANCE OF FAITH
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  • THE IMPORTANCE OF FAITHWERE CENTRAL TO THE IDEA
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  • WERE CENTRAL TO THE IDEAOF LIBERTY, AND THE IDEA
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  • OF LIBERTY, AND THE IDEAOF THIS CRAZY IDEA CALLED
  • 00:20:05.351 --> 00:20:06.753
  • OF THIS CRAZY IDEA CALLEDAMERICA AND
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  • AMERICA ANDSELF-GOVERNMENT, AND I
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  • SELF-GOVERNMENT, AND INEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT, AND
  • 00:20:08.521 --> 00:20:09.789
  • NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT, ANDI THOUGHT A LOT OF
  • 00:20:09.789 --> 00:20:11.157
  • I THOUGHT A LOT OFBELIEVERS HAVE RECEIVED
  • 00:20:11.157 --> 00:20:12.625
  • BELIEVERS HAVE RECEIVEDBAD THEOLOGY THAT WE'RE
  • 00:20:12.625 --> 00:20:13.760
  • BAD THEOLOGY THAT WE'RESUPPOSED TO FORGET ABOUT
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  • SUPPOSED TO FORGET ABOUTTHE WORLD, AND I'M TELLING
  • 00:20:14.861 --> 00:20:15.662
  • THE WORLD, AND I'M TELLINGYOU, THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
  • 00:20:15.662 --> 00:20:17.597
  • YOU, THAT IS NOT RIGHT.THE LORD IS DEPENDING ON
  • 00:20:17.597 --> 00:20:19.432
  • THE LORD IS DEPENDING ONUS TO TAKE OUR FAITH IN
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  • US TO TAKE OUR FAITH INJESUS INTO THE WHOLE WORLD,
  • 00:20:22.535 --> 00:20:24.404
  • JESUS INTO THE WHOLE WORLD,INTO EVERY PART OF THE WORLD,
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  • INTO EVERY PART OF THE WORLD,INTO CULTURE, INTO POLITICS,
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  • INTO CULTURE, INTO POLITICS,INTO EVERYTHING,
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  • INTO EVERYTHING,AND BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
  • 00:20:29.976 --> 00:20:31.377
  • AND BECAUSE WE KNOW THATTHE WORLD SYSTEM MILITATES
  • 00:20:31.377 --> 00:20:32.412
  • THE WORLD SYSTEM MILITATESAGAINST WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS,
  • 00:20:32.412 --> 00:20:33.646
  • AGAINST WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS,AND WE HAVE TO REPRESENT OUR
  • 00:20:33.646 --> 00:20:34.947
  • AND WE HAVE TO REPRESENT OURFAITH, AND IT'S KIND OF
  • 00:20:34.947 --> 00:20:36.215
  • FAITH, AND IT'S KIND OFFUNNY BUT-- 'CAUSE WHEN
  • 00:20:36.215 --> 00:20:37.150
  • FUNNY BUT-- 'CAUSE WHENTED CRUZ MENTIONED MY
  • 00:20:37.150 --> 00:20:38.217
  • TED CRUZ MENTIONED MY"BONHOEFFER" BOOK, I DID
  • 00:20:38.217 --> 00:20:40.620
  • "BONHOEFFER" BOOK, I DIDNOT KNOW AT THE TIME; AND
  • 00:20:40.620 --> 00:20:42.355
  • NOT KNOW AT THE TIME; ANDYOU KNOW HOW THIS IS RIGHT?
  • 00:20:42.355 --> 00:20:43.156
  • YOU KNOW HOW THIS IS RIGHT?WHEN YOU'RE WALKIN WITH
  • 00:20:43.156 --> 00:20:44.157
  • WHEN YOU'RE WALKIN WITHGOD, SOMETIMES YOU FIND
  • 00:20:44.157 --> 00:20:44.791
  • GOD, SOMETIMES YOU FINDOUT LATER ON WHAT GOD WAS
  • 00:20:44.791 --> 00:20:45.758
  • OUT LATER ON WHAT GOD WASDOING.
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  • DOING.I STARTED WRITING ABOUT ALL
  • 00:20:47.126 --> 00:20:48.294
  • I STARTED WRITING ABOUT ALLTHESE HEROES, BONHOEFFER,
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  • THESE HEROES, BONHOEFFER,WILLIAM WILBERFORCE, AND I
  • 00:20:49.395 --> 00:20:51.698
  • WILLIAM WILBERFORCE, AND IWROTE A BOOK CALLED
  • 00:20:51.698 --> 00:20:52.465
  • WROTE A BOOK CALLED"7 MEN,"
  • 00:20:52.465 --> 00:20:53.466
  • "7 MEN,"WHERE I TALK ABOUT
  • 00:20:53.466 --> 00:20:54.767
  • WHERE I TALK ABOUTSEVEN DIFFERENT HEROES,
  • 00:20:54.767 --> 00:20:55.835
  • SEVEN DIFFERENT HEROES,AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY,
  • 00:20:55.835 --> 00:20:56.502
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY,"I DON'T READ A LOT OF
  • 00:20:56.502 --> 00:20:57.170
  • "I DON'T READ A LOT OFBOOKS, BUT I LIKE THAT
  • 00:20:57.170 --> 00:20:58.237
  • BOOKS, BUT I LIKE THATBOOK BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE,
  • 00:20:58.237 --> 00:20:59.639
  • BOOK BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE,BITE-SIZED STUFF."
  • 00:20:59.639 --> 00:21:00.740
  • BITE-SIZED STUFF."THEN I WROTE "7 WOMEN,"
  • 00:21:00.740 --> 00:21:01.374
  • THEN I WROTE "7 WOMEN,"AND THEN I JUST CAME OUT WITH
  • 00:21:01.374 --> 00:21:01.808
  • AND THEN I JUST CAME OUT WITHA NEW BOOK CALLED
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  • A NEW BOOK CALLED"7 MORE MEN,"
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  • "7 MORE MEN,"AND I'M GONNA COME OUT
  • 00:21:03.843 --> 00:21:05.044
  • AND I'M GONNA COME OUTWITH "7 MORE WOMEN," BUT
  • 00:21:05.044 --> 00:21:05.912
  • WITH "7 MORE WOMEN," BUTI'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE
  • 00:21:05.912 --> 00:21:06.446
  • I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSETHESE ARE ALL THE STORIES
  • 00:21:06.446 --> 00:21:07.380
  • THESE ARE ALL THE STORIESOF HEROES.
  • 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:08.948
  • OF HEROES.THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVED
  • 00:21:08.948 --> 00:21:10.083
  • THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVEDTHEIR LIVES IN SUCH A WAY
  • 00:21:10.083 --> 00:21:12.452
  • THEIR LIVES IN SUCH A WAYTHAT, WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER
  • 00:21:12.452 --> 00:21:14.387
  • THAT, WHEN YOU ENCOUNTERTHIS LIFE, YOU KNOW, THESE
  • 00:21:14.387 --> 00:21:14.921
  • THIS LIFE, YOU KNOW, THESEARE THE GREAT CLOUD OF
  • 00:21:14.921 --> 00:21:15.988
  • ARE THE GREAT CLOUD OFWITNESSES.
  • 00:21:15.988 --> 00:21:16.556
  • WITNESSES.WE'RE GONNA MEET THEM IN
  • 00:21:16.556 --> 00:21:17.657
  • WE'RE GONNA MEET THEM INGLORY.
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  • GLORY.THEY LIVED THEIR LIFE IN A
  • 00:21:18.991 --> 00:21:20.827
  • THEY LIVED THEIR LIFE IN AWAY TO INSPIRE US, AND
  • 00:21:20.827 --> 00:21:22.695
  • WAY TO INSPIRE US, ANDWHEN WE HANG OUT WITH
  • 00:21:22.695 --> 00:21:24.597
  • WHEN WE HANG OUT WITHPEOPLE WHO ARE HEROIC,
  • 00:21:24.597 --> 00:21:25.832
  • PEOPLE WHO ARE HEROIC,WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE IN OUR
  • 00:21:25.832 --> 00:21:26.999
  • WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE IN OURFAMILY, GRANDPARENTS,
  • 00:21:26.999 --> 00:21:27.934
  • FAMILY, GRANDPARENTS,WHATEVER IT IS, YOU WANNA
  • 00:21:27.934 --> 00:21:29.001
  • WHATEVER IT IS, YOU WANNABE LIKE THEM.
  • 00:21:29.001 --> 00:21:30.370
  • BE LIKE THEM.AND SO I REALIZED THAT GOD
  • 00:21:30.370 --> 00:21:31.637
  • AND SO I REALIZED THAT GODLED ME TO WRITE BOOKS
  • 00:21:31.637 --> 00:21:33.272
  • LED ME TO WRITE BOOKSABOUT THESE HEROES SO THAT
  • 00:21:33.272 --> 00:21:35.274
  • ABOUT THESE HEROES SO THATYOUNG PEOPLE AND
  • 00:21:35.274 --> 00:21:36.976
  • YOUNG PEOPLE ANDNOT-SO-YOUNG PEOPLE COULD
  • 00:21:36.976 --> 00:21:39.145
  • NOT-SO-YOUNG PEOPLE COULDCOME FACE-TO-FACE WITH
  • 00:21:39.145 --> 00:21:40.480
  • COME FACE-TO-FACE WITHSOMETHING BEAUTIFUL,
  • 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.715
  • SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL,A LIFE THAT GOD DIRECTED TO
  • 00:21:42.715 --> 00:21:45.351
  • A LIFE THAT GOD DIRECTED TOHIS GLORY.
  • 00:21:45.351 --> 00:21:47.920
  • HIS GLORY.AND SO IN "7 MEN," I TALK
  • 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:49.389
  • AND SO IN "7 MEN," I TALKABOUT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:21:49.389 --> 00:21:49.922
  • ABOUT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.IN "7 WOMEN," I TALK ABOUT
  • 00:21:49.922 --> 00:21:50.790
  • IN "7 WOMEN," I TALK ABOUTA NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:21:50.790 --> 00:21:52.158
  • A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.YOU CAN GUESS, THE NUMBER IS
  • 00:21:52.158 --> 00:21:52.759
  • YOU CAN GUESS, THE NUMBER ISSEVEN, RIGHT?
  • 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:53.993
  • SEVEN, RIGHT?AND IN THE NEW ONE, I TALK
  • 00:21:53.993 --> 00:21:54.827
  • AND IN THE NEW ONE, I TALKABOUT "7 MORE MEN,"
  • 00:21:54.827 --> 00:21:55.828
  • ABOUT "7 MORE MEN,"BUT THESE ARE SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:21:55.828 --> 00:21:56.562
  • BUT THESE ARE SOME PEOPLEYOU'LL BE FAMILIAR
  • 00:21:56.562 --> 00:21:58.398
  • YOU'LL BE FAMILIARWITH THEM.
  • 00:21:58.398 --> 00:21:59.432
  • WITH THEM.IN "7 MORE MEN,"
  • 00:21:59.432 --> 00:22:00.400
  • IN "7 MORE MEN,"I MENTIONED BILLY GRAHAM IS
  • 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.801
  • I MENTIONED BILLY GRAHAM ISTHE LAST ONE, BUT THERE
  • 00:22:01.801 --> 00:22:03.603
  • THE LAST ONE, BUT THEREARE GONNA BE SOME THAT YOU
  • 00:22:03.603 --> 00:22:04.303
  • ARE GONNA BE SOME THAT YOUDON'T KNOW, AND IT'S
  • 00:22:04.303 --> 00:22:05.371
  • DON'T KNOW, AND IT'SREALLY MY FIRM BELIEF THAT
  • 00:22:05.371 --> 00:22:07.707
  • REALLY MY FIRM BELIEF THATBELIEVERS NEED TO FEED OUR
  • 00:22:07.707 --> 00:22:11.310
  • BELIEVERS NEED TO FEED OURMINDS WITH THE STORIES OF
  • 00:22:11.310 --> 00:22:12.478
  • MINDS WITH THE STORIES OFWHAT GOD CONSIDERS GREAT
  • 00:22:12.478 --> 00:22:13.346
  • WHAT GOD CONSIDERS GREATHEROES, AND I DON'T JUST
  • 00:22:13.346 --> 00:22:14.947
  • HEROES, AND I DON'T JUSTMEAN HEROES FROM THE BIBLE,
  • 00:22:14.947 --> 00:22:16.582
  • MEAN HEROES FROM THE BIBLE,BUT I MEAN GOD'S IDEA
  • 00:22:16.582 --> 00:22:18.217
  • BUT I MEAN GOD'S IDEAOF GREAT HEROES.
  • 00:22:18.217 --> 00:22:19.152
  • OF GREAT HEROES.WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME
  • 00:22:19.152 --> 00:22:20.453
  • WE'RE LIVING IN A TIMEWHERE PEOPLE ARE TEARING
  • 00:22:20.453 --> 00:22:21.788
  • WHERE PEOPLE ARE TEARINGDOWN HEROES AND EVEN DOING IT--
  • 00:22:21.788 --> 00:22:22.755
  • DOWN HEROES AND EVEN DOING IT--LITERALLY TEARING DOWN
  • 00:22:22.755 --> 00:22:25.558
  • LITERALLY TEARING DOWNSTATUES, RIGHT?
  • 00:22:25.558 --> 00:22:26.759
  • STATUES, RIGHT?WE NEED TO HAVE HEROES.
  • 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:27.693
  • WE NEED TO HAVE HEROES.IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR
  • 00:22:27.693 --> 00:22:28.461
  • IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FORYOUNG PEOPLE.
  • 00:22:28.461 --> 00:22:29.695
  • YOUNG PEOPLE.IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHY
  • 00:22:29.695 --> 00:22:30.863
  • IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHYWE'RE SUFFERING SO MUCH AS
  • 00:22:30.863 --> 00:22:32.031
  • WE'RE SUFFERING SO MUCH ASA CULTURE, IT'S 'CAUSE WE
  • 00:22:32.031 --> 00:22:32.965
  • A CULTURE, IT'S 'CAUSE WEDON'T HAVE HEROES ANYMORE.
  • 00:22:32.965 --> 00:22:34.500
  • DON'T HAVE HEROES ANYMORE.WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.002
  • WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TOSAY, "LOOK AT THAT GREAT
  • 00:22:36.002 --> 00:22:38.070
  • SAY, "LOOK AT THAT GREATMAN OR THAT GREAT WOMAN.
  • 00:22:38.070 --> 00:22:38.604
  • MAN OR THAT GREAT WOMAN.THEY SACRIFICED THIS AND
  • 00:22:38.604 --> 00:22:39.238
  • THEY SACRIFICED THIS ANDTHIS AND THIS FOR THEIR
  • 00:22:39.238 --> 00:22:41.474
  • THIS AND THIS FOR THEIRPEOPLE, FOR THEIR NATION,
  • 00:22:41.474 --> 00:22:42.542
  • PEOPLE, FOR THEIR NATION,FOR GOD."
  • 00:22:42.542 --> 00:22:44.710
  • FOR GOD."AND I REALLY FEEL THAT
  • 00:22:44.710 --> 00:22:46.379
  • AND I REALLY FEEL THATGOD LED ME TO WRITE THESE
  • 00:22:46.379 --> 00:22:47.814
  • GOD LED ME TO WRITE THESEBOOKS FOR THAT.
  • 00:22:47.814 --> 00:22:48.981
  • BOOKS FOR THAT.NOW, IN MY BOOK, "IF YOU
  • 00:22:48.981 --> 00:22:50.149
  • NOW, IN MY BOOK, "IF YOUCAN KEEP IT," ONE OF THE
  • 00:22:50.149 --> 00:22:51.417
  • CAN KEEP IT," ONE OF THEHEROES I WRITE ABOUT IS
  • 00:22:51.417 --> 00:22:53.119
  • HEROES I WRITE ABOUT ISGEORGE WHITEFIELD.
  • 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:55.788
  • GEORGE WHITEFIELD.OH, MY GOODNESS, HERE IS A
  • 00:22:55.788 --> 00:22:56.923
  • OH, MY GOODNESS, HERE IS AMAN WHO PREACHED THE
  • 00:22:56.923 --> 00:22:58.090
  • MAN WHO PREACHED THEGOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST UP
  • 00:22:58.090 --> 00:22:59.826
  • GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST UPAND DOWN THE 13 COLONIES
  • 00:22:59.826 --> 00:23:02.228
  • AND DOWN THE 13 COLONIESSO MUCH THAT THEY SAY 75%
  • 00:23:02.228 --> 00:23:05.331
  • SO MUCH THAT THEY SAY 75%OF ALL THE PEOPLE ALIVE AT
  • 00:23:05.331 --> 00:23:07.033
  • OF ALL THE PEOPLE ALIVE ATTHAT TIME HEARD HIM PREACH
  • 00:23:07.033 --> 00:23:10.236
  • THAT TIME HEARD HIM PREACHIN PERSON, OBVIOUSLY.
  • 00:23:10.236 --> 00:23:12.405
  • IN PERSON, OBVIOUSLY.THIS IS IN THE 18TH CENTURY.
  • 00:23:12.405 --> 00:23:15.141
  • THIS IS IN THE 18TH CENTURY.THAT LED TO REVIVALS
  • 00:23:15.141 --> 00:23:16.042
  • THAT LED TO REVIVALSAROUND THE COUNTRY,
  • 00:23:16.042 --> 00:23:16.909
  • AROUND THE COUNTRY,AND THE FOUNDING FATHERS
  • 00:23:16.909 --> 00:23:18.044
  • AND THE FOUNDING FATHERSAND BEN FRANKLIN SAW THAT,
  • 00:23:18.044 --> 00:23:19.045
  • AND BEN FRANKLIN SAW THAT,WHEN REVIVAL BREAKS OUT,
  • 00:23:19.045 --> 00:23:20.746
  • WHEN REVIVAL BREAKS OUT,CRIME GOES DOWN, DOMESTIC
  • 00:23:20.746 --> 00:23:22.548
  • CRIME GOES DOWN, DOMESTICABUSE GOES DOWN,
  • 00:23:22.548 --> 00:23:23.683
  • ABUSE GOES DOWN,ALCOHOLISM GOES DOWN.
  • 00:23:23.683 --> 00:23:25.218
  • ALCOHOLISM GOES DOWN.THOSE PEOPLE CAN GOVERN
  • 00:23:25.218 --> 00:23:26.919
  • THOSE PEOPLE CAN GOVERNTHEMSELVES.
  • 00:23:26.919 --> 00:23:28.488
  • THEMSELVES.THAT LEADS TO THE IDEA OF
  • 00:23:28.488 --> 00:23:30.223
  • THAT LEADS TO THE IDEA OFTHE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
  • 00:23:30.223 --> 00:23:31.757
  • THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.SO, PLEASE, FOLKS, AVAIL
  • 00:23:31.757 --> 00:23:32.291
  • SO, PLEASE, FOLKS, AVAILYOURSELF OF THESE BOOKS.
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  • YOURSELF OF THESE BOOKS.PLEASE GET MY NEWSLETTER,
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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