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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show
November 13, 2020
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THISPROGRAM IS SPONSORED IN
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  • PROGRAM IS SPONSORED INPART BY CARSHIELD, GIVING
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  • PART BY CARSHIELD, GIVINGTHOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • [CRASH][CHEERS]
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  • [CHEERS]- ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.I HAVE A GREAT PRIVILEGE
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  • I HAVE A GREAT PRIVILEGETODAY OF SPEAKING WITH
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  • TODAY OF SPEAKING WITHPASTOR BILL JOHNSON.
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  • PASTOR BILL JOHNSON.SOME OF YOU KNOW HIM.
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  • SOME OF YOU KNOW HIM.HE'S THE SENIOR PASTOR OF
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  • HE'S THE SENIOR PASTOR OFBETHEL CHURCH IN REDDING,
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  • BILL JOHNSON, WELCOME TO
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  • BILL JOHNSON, WELCOME TOTHE PROGRAM.
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  • THE PROGRAM.- BILL JOHNSON: THANKS.
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  • - BILL JOHNSON: THANKS.GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.
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  • GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.- ERIC: I KNOW YOU HAVE A
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  • - ERIC: I KNOW YOU HAVE ANEW BOOK OUT.
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  • NEW BOOK OUT.I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
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  • I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT.IT'S CALLED "MORNINGS AND
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  • IT'S CALLED "MORNINGS ANDEVENINGS IN HIS
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  • EVENINGS IN HISPRESENCE"-- 365 MORNINGS
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  • PRESENCE"-- 365 MORNINGSAND EVENINGS, ENCOUNTERING
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  • AND EVENINGS, ENCOUNTERINGTHE POWERFUL PRESENCE OF
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  • IT SOUNDS LIKE A
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  • IT SOUNDS LIKE ADEVOTIONAL.
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  • DEVOTIONAL.I THINK I'M READING THAT
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  • I THINK I'M READING THATCORRECTLY.
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  • CORRECTLY.- BILL: YEAH, IT IS.
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  • - BILL: YEAH, IT IS.- ERIC: WHEN YOU TALK
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  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU TALKABOUT ENCOUNTERING THE
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  • ABOUT ENCOUNTERING THEPRESENCE OF GOD, THERE ARE
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  • PRESENCE OF GOD, THERE AREA LOT OF CHRISTIANS THAT
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  • A LOT OF CHRISTIANS THATTHEY'RE SKEPTICAL OF
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  • THEY'RE SKEPTICAL OFENCOUNTERING THE PRESENCE
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  • THEY CAN DO BIBLE STUDY,
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  • THEY CAN DO BIBLE STUDY,THEY CAN TALK ABOUT GOD,
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  • THEY CAN TALK ABOUT GOD,BUT WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER GOD
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  • BUT WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER GODHIMSELF, I KNOW THAT THERE
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  • HIMSELF, I KNOW THAT THEREARE PEOPLE THAT THEY BEGIN
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  • ARE PEOPLE THAT THEY BEGINTO GET SUSPICIOUS.
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  • TO GET SUSPICIOUS.TELL US ABOUT THAT BECAUSE
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  • TELL US ABOUT THAT BECAUSETHIS IS A BIG PART OF YOUR
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  • THIS IS A BIG PART OF YOURMINISTRY AND YOUR CHURCH,
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  • MINISTRY AND YOUR CHURCH,AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY
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  • AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELYIMPORTANT, SO IT'S ONE OF
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  • IMPORTANT, SO IT'S ONE OFTHE REASONS I WANTED TO
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  • - BILL: THE GREATEST GIFT
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  • - BILL: THE GREATEST GIFTWE'VE RECEIVED IS THE
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  • WE'VE RECEIVED IS THEPERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.WHEN I GOT MARRIED, I
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  • WHEN I GOT MARRIED, IDIDN'T GET MARRIED TO HAVE
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  • DIDN'T GET MARRIED TO HAVEA MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.
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  • A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.I GOT MARRIED TO ENTER
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  • AND IF MY NATURAL
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  • AND IF MY NATURALRELATIONSHIP WITH MY WIFE
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  • RELATIONSHIP WITH MY WIFEIS AN ONGOING ENCOUNTER TO
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  • IS AN ONGOING ENCOUNTER TORELATIONAL JOURNEY,
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  • RELATIONAL JOURNEY,THEN HOW MUCH MORE SHOULD
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  • THEN HOW MUCH MORE SHOULDMY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
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  • MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GODBE?
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  • BE?THE SAME, JESUS SPOKE TO
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  • THE SAME, JESUS SPOKE TOTHIS IN THE GOSPEL OF
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  • THIS IN THE GOSPEL OFJOHN, WHERE HE SAID, "YOU
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  • JOHN, WHERE HE SAID, "YOUSEARCH THE SCRIPTURES
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  • SEARCH THE SCRIPTURESBECAUSE YOU THINK IN THEM
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  • BECAUSE YOU THINK IN THEMIS ETERNAL LIFE, AND, YET
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  • IS ETERNAL LIFE, AND, YETTHESE SCRIPTURES TESTIFY
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  • AND YOU'RE UNWILLING TO
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  • AND YOU'RE UNWILLING TOCOME TO ME." WHAT WE SEE
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  • COME TO ME." WHAT WE SEEIN THE WORD IS SUPPOSED TO
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  • IN THE WORD IS SUPPOSED TOTAKE US TO THE PERSON.
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  • TAKE US TO THE PERSON.THE WORD OF GOD IS THE
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  • THE WORD OF GOD IS THELIVING WORD OF GOD, BUT
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  • LIVING WORD OF GOD, BUTIT'S TO TAKE US TO AN
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  • IT'S TO TAKE US TO ANENCOUNTER WITH GOD
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  • AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE
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  • AND THAT'S HOW WE'RECHANGED.
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  • CHANGED.WE'RE NOT CHANGED BECAUSE
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  • WE'RE NOT CHANGED BECAUSEOF SOME-- EMBRACING SOME
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  • OF SOME-- EMBRACING SOMENEW PHILOSOPHIC APPROACH
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  • NEW PHILOSOPHIC APPROACHTO LIFE.
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  • TO LIFE.WE'RE TRANSFORMED BECAUSE
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  • WE'RE TRANSFORMED BECAUSEOF THE POWER OF HIS
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  • OF THE POWER OF HISPRESENCE IN OUR LIFE.
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  • PRESENCE IN OUR LIFE.IT CHANGES US.
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  • IT CHANGES US.AND SO IT'S AN ONGOING
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  • AND SO IT'S AN ONGOINGRELATIONSHIP.
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  • RELATIONSHIP.IT IS EXTREMELY VITAL.
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  • IT IS EXTREMELY VITAL.- ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY
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  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU SAYTHAT, IT REMINDS ME THAT I
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  • THAT, IT REMINDS ME THAT IHAVE HAD A FEW FRIENDS
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  • HAVE HAD A FEW FRIENDSTHAT HAVE, IT SEEMS TO BE,
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  • THAT HAVE, IT SEEMS TO BE,FALLEN AWAY FROM THE
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  • FALLEN AWAY FROM THEFAITH, AND THE ONLY
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  • FAITH, AND THE ONLYEXPLANATION THAT I CAN
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  • EXPLANATION THAT I CANGIVE TO IT, 'CAUSE IT'S SO
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  • GIVE TO IT, 'CAUSE IT'S SODISMAYING AND SO
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  • DISMAYING AND SODISHEARTENING, IS THAT
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  • DISHEARTENING, IS THATTHEY DID NOT HAVE THAT
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  • THEY DID NOT HAVE THATPERSONAL EXPERIENCE
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  • PERSONAL EXPERIENCESOMEHOW, THAT IT WAS
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  • SOMEHOW, THAT IT WASMAINLY AN INTELLECTUAL
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  • WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSONAL
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  • WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSONALEXPERIENCE, IT BECOMES
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  • EXPERIENCE, IT BECOMESUNDENIABLE, EVEN IF YOU
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  • UNDENIABLE, EVEN IF YOUDON'T LIKE IT, EVEN IF YOU
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  • DON'T LIKE IT, EVEN IF YOUHATE GOD BECAUSE YOU
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  • HATE GOD BECAUSE YOUMISUNDERSTAND WHO HE IS.
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  • MISUNDERSTAND WHO HE IS.IT'S A PERSONAL
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  • IT'S A PERSONALEXPERIENCE.
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  • EXPERIENCE.AND I'VE OFTEN FELT THAT
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  • AND I'VE OFTEN FELT THATTHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
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  • THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANTTHING.
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  • THING.THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLERUNNING AROUND, SAYING,
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  • RUNNING AROUND, SAYING,"I'M A CHRISTIAN," BUT
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  • "I'M A CHRISTIAN," BUTIT'S AN INTELLECTUAL
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  • IT'S AN INTELLECTUALTHING.
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  • THING.IT'S NOT A PERSONAL THING.
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  • IT'S NOT A PERSONAL THING.HOW DO YOU GO FROM AN
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  • HOW DO YOU GO FROM ANINTELLECTUAL ASSENT TO
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  • INTELLECTUAL ASSENT TOCERTAIN DOCTRINES OR IDEAS
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  • CERTAIN DOCTRINES OR IDEASTO THAT PERSONAL
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  • - BILL: YOU'VE GOTTA GET
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  • - BILL: YOU'VE GOTTA GETHUNGRY.
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  • HUNGRY.IN THE NATURAL, WE GET
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  • IN THE NATURAL, WE GETHUNGRY WHEN WE DON'T EAT,
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  • HUNGRY WHEN WE DON'T EAT,BUT IN THE KINGDOM, YOU
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  • BUT IN THE KINGDOM, YOUGET HUNGRY BY EATING.
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  • GET HUNGRY BY EATING.AND IT'S EXPOSING OURSELF
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  • AND IT'S EXPOSING OURSELFTO WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
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  • TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE.I MEAN, READ THE
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  • I MEAN, READ THESCRIPTURE-- IT'S A LIVING
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  • SCRIPTURE-- IT'S A LIVINGWORD-- AND SEE WHAT'S
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  • WORD-- AND SEE WHAT'SAVAILABLE.
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  • AVAILABLE.WHAT PAUL ENCOUNTERED,
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  • WHAT PAUL ENCOUNTERED,WHAT DANIEL ENCOUNTERED,
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  • WHAT DANIEL ENCOUNTERED,WHAT DAVID ENCOUNTERED,
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  • WHAT DAVID ENCOUNTERED,THOSE WERE NOT JUST
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  • THOSE WERE NOT JUSTHISTORIC EVENTS.
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  • HISTORIC EVENTS.THOSE WERE PRESENT
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  • THOSE WERE PRESENTREALITIES BECAUSE GOD
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  • REALITIES BECAUSE GODNEVER CHANGES.
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  • NEVER CHANGES.AND WHEN YOU READ ABOUT
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  • AND WHEN YOU READ ABOUTWHAT'S AVAILABLE, IT JUST
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  • WHAT'S AVAILABLE, IT JUSTMAKES YOU HUNGRY.
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  • MAKES YOU HUNGRY.- ERIC: CLASSIC
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  • - ERIC: CLASSICBILL JOHNSON.
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  • BILL JOHNSON.AS I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOU
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  • AS I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOUA LITTLE BIT IN THIS LAST
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  • I REALIZE YOU SAY SOME
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  • I REALIZE YOU SAY SOMEVERY, VERY PROFOUND
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  • VERY, VERY PROFOUNDTHINGS.
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  • THINGS.I THINK THAT IS YOUR
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  • I THINK THAT IS YOURHALLMARK.
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  • HALLMARK.WHEN I'VE HEARD YOU
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  • WHEN I'VE HEARD YOUPREACH, I GO, "WHOA,
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  • PREACH, I GO, "WHOA,THAT'S DEEP."
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  • THAT'S DEEP."YOU JUST SAID, "IN THE NATURAL,
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  • YOU JUST SAID, "IN THE NATURAL,IF YOU DON'T EAT,
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  • IF YOU DON'T EAT,YOU GET HUNGRY,"
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  • YOU GET HUNGRY,"AND YOU SAID,
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  • AND YOU SAID,"IN THE SUPERNATURAL, WHEN YOU
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  • "IN THE SUPERNATURAL, WHEN YOUEAT, YOU GET HUNGRY."
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  • EAT, YOU GET HUNGRY."SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONE OF
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  • SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONE OFTHE WAYS TO GET HUNGRY FOR
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  • THE WAYS TO GET HUNGRY FORGOD IS TO READ THE BIBLE.
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  • GOD IS TO READ THE BIBLE.THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU
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  • THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOUJUST SAID, CORRECT?
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  • JUST SAID, CORRECT?- BILL: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE'S
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  • THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE'SENCOUNTER WITH GOD,
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  • ENCOUNTER WITH GOD,AND ALSO READ CHURCH HISTORY.
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  • AND ALSO READ CHURCH HISTORY.JUST READ OF THE REVIVAL
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  • JUST READ OF THE REVIVALIN WALES.
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  • IN WALES.READ ABOUT AZUSA STREET;
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  • READ ABOUT AZUSA STREET;OF THE PRAYER REVIVAL IN
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  • OF THE PRAYER REVIVAL IN1859, IN NEW YORK CITY.
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  • 1859, IN NEW YORK CITY.ALL THESE STORIES ARE
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  • ALL THESE STORIES ARESO COMPELLING.
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  • SO COMPELLING.WHEN I SEE WHAT'S
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  • WHEN I SEE WHAT'SAVAILABLE, I'M NO LONGER
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  • AVAILABLE, I'M NO LONGERSATISFIED WITH THE
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  • SATISFIED WITH THESTATUS QUO.
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  • STATUS QUO.I MUST PURSUE WHAT GOD
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  • I MUST PURSUE WHAT GODMADE AVAILABLE TO ME, AND
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  • MADE AVAILABLE TO ME, ANDIT'S EATING THAT MAKES
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  • IT'S EATING THAT MAKESYOU HUNGRY.
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  • YOU HUNGRY.- ERIC: WELL, LET'S TALK
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  • - ERIC: WELL, LET'S TALKABOUT THE BOOK.
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  • ABOUT THE BOOK.I FORGOT THAT YOU WROTE
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  • I FORGOT THAT YOU WROTEIT WITH BENI.
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  • IT WITH BENI.SO TELL US ABOUT THAT.
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  • SO TELL US ABOUT THAT.THAT'S NOT EASY TO WRITE A
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  • THAT'S NOT EASY TO WRITE ABOOK WITH SOMEONE ELSE.
  • 00:05:17.262 --> 00:05:17.829
  • BOOK WITH SOMEONE ELSE.- BILL: IT'S JUST THINGS
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  • - BILL: IT'S JUST THINGSI GLEANED FROM OUR
  • 00:05:18.830 --> 00:05:20.732
  • I GLEANED FROM OURWRITINGS THAT WOULD HELP
  • 00:05:20.732 --> 00:05:22.267
  • WRITINGS THAT WOULD HELPPEOPLE TO ENCOUNTER THE
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  • PEOPLE TO ENCOUNTER THELORD, MORNING AND NIGHT,
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  • LORD, MORNING AND NIGHT,MORNING AND NIGHT, EVERY
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  • MORNING AND NIGHT, EVERYDAY OF THEIR LIFE.
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  • DAY OF THEIR LIFE.AND SO, REALLY, IT'S JUST
  • 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:29.875
  • AND SO, REALLY, IT'S JUSTTAKEN OUT OF THE THINGS
  • 00:05:29.875 --> 00:05:30.909
  • TAKEN OUT OF THE THINGSTHAT WE'VE WRITTEN THROUGH
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  • THAT WE'VE WRITTEN THROUGHTHE YEARS AND TO REALLY
  • 00:05:32.277 --> 00:05:34.479
  • THE YEARS AND TO REALLYPUT IT IN A CONCISE FORMAT
  • 00:05:34.479 --> 00:05:37.082
  • PUT IT IN A CONCISE FORMATAND A VERY SIMPLE PRAYER
  • 00:05:37.082 --> 00:05:38.183
  • AND A VERY SIMPLE PRAYERFOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH
  • 00:05:38.183 --> 00:05:39.418
  • FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITHTHE HOLY SPIRIT AND LEARN
  • 00:05:39.418 --> 00:05:40.652
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT AND LEARNTO WALK WITH HIM
  • 00:05:40.652 --> 00:05:41.720
  • TO WALK WITH HIMTHROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND SO
  • 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.288
  • THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND SOIT'S A VERY SIMPLE BUT,
  • 00:05:43.288 --> 00:05:44.689
  • IT'S A VERY SIMPLE BUT,HOPEFULLY, INVITING WAY TO
  • 00:05:44.689 --> 00:05:47.292
  • HOPEFULLY, INVITING WAY TOREAD THE SCRIPTURE AND A
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  • READ THE SCRIPTURE AND AWAY TO READ A DEVOTIONAL.
  • 00:05:48.894 --> 00:05:50.395
  • WAY TO READ A DEVOTIONAL.- ERIC: BILL, WHAT IS THE
  • 00:05:50.395 --> 00:05:51.062
  • - ERIC: BILL, WHAT IS THEFIRST TIME-- I KNOW YOU
  • 00:05:51.062 --> 00:05:52.864
  • FIRST TIME-- I KNOW YOUCOME FROM GENERATIONS OF
  • 00:05:52.864 --> 00:05:53.965
  • WHAT IS THE FIRST TIME
  • 00:05:55.367 --> 00:05:56.301
  • WHAT IS THE FIRST TIMETHAT YOU REMEMBER HAVING
  • 00:05:56.301 --> 00:05:56.935
  • THAT YOU REMEMBER HAVINGAN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD?
  • 00:05:56.935 --> 00:05:59.004
  • - BILL: I DO.
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  • - BILL: I DO.WELL, I GREW UP-- SO, IN
  • 00:06:01.973 --> 00:06:03.108
  • WELL, I GREW UP-- SO, INONE SENSE, I GREW UP WITH
  • 00:06:03.108 --> 00:06:04.676
  • ONE SENSE, I GREW UP WITHAN AWARENESS OF GOD AND
  • 00:06:04.676 --> 00:06:07.312
  • BUT I REMEMBER GOING TO AN
  • 00:06:09.381 --> 00:06:10.482
  • BUT I REMEMBER GOING TO ANALL-NIGHT PRAYER MEETING,
  • 00:06:10.482 --> 00:06:11.683
  • ALL-NIGHT PRAYER MEETING,AND I STEPPED INTO ANOTHER
  • 00:06:11.683 --> 00:06:12.784
  • AND I STEPPED INTO ANOTHERROOM TO REST FOR A FEW
  • 00:06:12.784 --> 00:06:15.787
  • ROOM TO REST FOR A FEWMINUTES, AND WHEN I LAID
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  • AND IT WAS THE CLEAREST
  • 00:06:18.790 --> 00:06:19.658
  • AND IT WAS THE CLEARESTTHING I'D EVER EXPERIENCED
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  • THING I'D EVER EXPERIENCEDUP TO THAT DAY, AND HE
  • 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:22.461
  • UP TO THAT DAY, AND HEJUST SPOKE VERY PROFOUNDLY
  • 00:06:22.461 --> 00:06:24.396
  • JUST SPOKE VERY PROFOUNDLYONE SENTENCE.
  • 00:06:24.396 --> 00:06:27.132
  • ONE SENTENCE.HE SAID, "IF YOU STAY OUT
  • 00:06:27.132 --> 00:06:29.334
  • HE SAID, "IF YOU STAY OUTOF MY WAY, I WILL USE YOU
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  • OF MY WAY, I WILL USE YOUIN NO SMALL WAY."
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  • IN NO SMALL WAY."- ERIC: AND HOW OLD WERE
  • 00:06:32.971 --> 00:06:33.905
  • - ERIC: AND HOW OLD WEREYOU THEN?
  • 00:06:33.905 --> 00:06:35.173
  • - ERIC: NINETEEN.
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  • - ERIC: NINETEEN.BUT YOU DO REMEMBER THAT,
  • 00:06:36.942 --> 00:06:37.742
  • BUT YOU DO REMEMBER THAT,AND IT WAS NOT AN AUDIBLE
  • 00:06:37.742 --> 00:06:38.844
  • AND IT WAS NOT AN AUDIBLEVOICE, BUT IT WAS AN INNER
  • 00:06:38.844 --> 00:06:42.214
  • VOICE, BUT IT WAS AN INNERVOICE?
  • 00:06:42.214 --> 00:06:42.747
  • VOICE?- BILL: IT WAS AS CLEAR
  • 00:06:42.747 --> 00:06:43.148
  • BUT IT WASN'T AUDIBLE.
  • 00:06:44.649 --> 00:06:45.150
  • BUT IT WASN'T AUDIBLE.YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO
  • 00:06:45.150 --> 00:06:45.684
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TODESCRIBE, BUT IT WAS AS
  • 00:06:45.684 --> 00:06:46.418
  • DESCRIBE, BUT IT WAS ASCLEAR AS YOUR WORDS
  • 00:06:46.418 --> 00:06:47.519
  • CLEAR AS YOUR WORDSRIGHT NOW.
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  • RIGHT NOW.- ERIC: I LOVE TALKING
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  • - ERIC: I LOVE TALKINGABOUT HOW WE HEAR FROM
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  • ABOUT HOW WE HEAR FROMGOD, HOW WE EXPERIENCE
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  • GOD, HOW WE EXPERIENCEMIRACLES, AND EVEN IN MY
  • 00:06:52.958 --> 00:06:55.227
  • MIRACLES, AND EVEN IN MYBOOK ABOUT MIRACLES, LIKE,
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  • BECAUSE GOD IS-- HE'S NOT
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  • BECAUSE GOD IS-- HE'S NOTA ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL GOD,
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  • A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL GOD,HE SPEAKS TO EACH OF US
  • 00:06:59.764 --> 00:07:01.967
  • HE SPEAKS TO EACH OF USEVER SO SLIGHTLY
  • 00:07:01.967 --> 00:07:03.134
  • EVER SO SLIGHTLYDIFFERENTLY, IN DIFFERENT
  • 00:07:03.134 --> 00:07:04.236
  • DIFFERENTLY, IN DIFFERENTWAYS, AT DIFFERENT TIMES,
  • 00:07:04.236 --> 00:07:05.604
  • I'M FASCINATED WITH
  • 00:07:06.838 --> 00:07:08.039
  • I'M FASCINATED WITH"THE VARIETY OF RELIGIOUS
  • 00:07:08.039 --> 00:07:08.940
  • "THE VARIETY OF RELIGIOUSEXPERIENCE,"
  • 00:07:08.940 --> 00:07:09.774
  • EXPERIENCE,"TO QUOTE HENRY JAMES.
  • 00:07:09.774 --> 00:07:10.942
  • TO QUOTE HENRY JAMES.IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING
  • 00:07:10.942 --> 00:07:12.944
  • IT'S KIND OF INTERESTINGHOW PEOPLE DESCRIBE IT.
  • 00:07:12.944 --> 00:07:14.446
  • HOW PEOPLE DESCRIBE IT.LET ME ASK YOU JUST 'CAUSE
  • 00:07:14.446 --> 00:07:15.881
  • LET ME ASK YOU JUST 'CAUSEI WANNA WHET THE APPETITE,
  • 00:07:15.881 --> 00:07:17.249
  • I WANNA WHET THE APPETITE,SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING,
  • 00:07:17.249 --> 00:07:18.650
  • YOU HAVE SEEN AMAZING
  • 00:07:21.553 --> 00:07:22.487
  • YOU HAVE SEEN AMAZINGMIRACLES IN YOUR MINISTRY,
  • 00:07:22.487 --> 00:07:23.688
  • MIRACLES IN YOUR MINISTRY,AND THERE'S SO MANY
  • 00:07:23.688 --> 00:07:24.456
  • AND THERE'S SO MANYPEOPLE, I THINK, THEY'RE
  • 00:07:24.456 --> 00:07:25.290
  • PEOPLE, I THINK, THEY'REREALLY HUNGRY FOR IT.
  • 00:07:25.290 --> 00:07:26.258
  • REALLY HUNGRY FOR IT.THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:07:26.258 --> 00:07:27.125
  • THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THATARE HOSTILE AND SKEPTICAL.
  • 00:07:27.125 --> 00:07:28.927
  • ARE HOSTILE AND SKEPTICAL.BUT TALK TO US ABOUT SOME
  • 00:07:28.927 --> 00:07:32.163
  • BUT TALK TO US ABOUT SOMEOF THE MIRACLES THAT YOU
  • 00:07:32.163 --> 00:07:32.831
  • OF THE MIRACLES THAT YOUHAVE SEEN BECAUSE A LOT OF
  • 00:07:32.831 --> 00:07:34.366
  • HAVE SEEN BECAUSE A LOT OFFOLKS, THEY WALK ALONG
  • 00:07:34.366 --> 00:07:35.433
  • THEY SAY, "I'M A CHRISTIAN,"
  • 00:07:36.935 --> 00:07:37.802
  • THEY SAY, "I'M A CHRISTIAN,"BUT THEY JUST DON'T
  • 00:07:37.802 --> 00:07:38.603
  • BUT THEY JUST DON'TBELIEVE THAT THAT
  • 00:07:38.603 --> 00:07:39.704
  • BELIEVE THAT THATSTUFF IS POSSIBLE TODAY.
  • 00:07:39.704 --> 00:07:41.540
  • STUFF IS POSSIBLE TODAY.WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
  • 00:07:41.540 --> 00:07:42.574
  • WHAT ARE SOME OF THETHINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN OR
  • 00:07:42.574 --> 00:07:43.208
  • THINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN ORMAYBE EARLY ON IN YOUR
  • 00:07:43.208 --> 00:07:44.075
  • MAYBE EARLY ON IN YOURMINISTRY WHEN YOU FIRST
  • 00:07:44.075 --> 00:07:45.644
  • MINISTRY WHEN YOU FIRSTBEGAN TO SEE THINGS THAT
  • 00:07:45.644 --> 00:07:46.778
  • BEGAN TO SEE THINGS THATYOU KNEW WERE REAL,
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  • - BILL: OH, GOODNESS,
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  • - BILL: OH, GOODNESS,YEAH, WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH.
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  • YEAH, WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH.ONE OF THE MOST
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  • ONE OF THE MOSTEXTRAORDINARY THINGS THAT
  • 00:07:55.520 --> 00:07:56.555
  • EXTRAORDINARY THINGS THATWE HAD HAPPEN WAS A YOUNG
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  • WE HAD HAPPEN WAS A YOUNGMAN, ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD,
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  • HE WAS DYING.
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  • HE WAS DYING.HIS BODY COULDN'T ABSORB
  • 00:08:03.161 --> 00:08:04.696
  • HIS BODY COULDN'T ABSORBFOOD.
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  • FOOD.HE WAS FED INTRAVENOUSLY
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  • HE WAS FED INTRAVENOUSLYAT NIGHT.
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  • AT NIGHT.AND THE FAMILY WANTED TO
  • 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:09.534
  • AND THE FAMILY WANTED TOTAKE HIM ON ONE FINAL TRIP
  • 00:08:09.534 --> 00:08:10.502
  • TAKE HIM ON ONE FINAL TRIPAS A FAMILY BEFORE
  • 00:08:10.502 --> 00:08:11.870
  • AS A FAMILY BEFOREHE DIED.
  • 00:08:11.870 --> 00:08:14.839
  • HE DIED.AND SO THEY GOT PERMISSION
  • 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:16.408
  • AND SO THEY GOT PERMISSIONFROM THE DOCTOR, SOMETHING
  • 00:08:16.408 --> 00:08:17.809
  • FROM THE DOCTOR, SOMETHINGLIKE 300 KILOS OF MEDICAL
  • 00:08:17.809 --> 00:08:19.177
  • LIKE 300 KILOS OF MEDICALSUPPLIES, WHEELCHAIR,
  • 00:08:19.177 --> 00:08:21.346
  • SUPPLIES, WHEELCHAIR,AND EVERYTHING.
  • 00:08:21.346 --> 00:08:21.846
  • AND EVERYTHING.THEY FLEW FROM NORWAY TO
  • 00:08:21.846 --> 00:08:22.981
  • BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN BRING
  • 00:08:24.716 --> 00:08:25.183
  • BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN BRINGHIM NECESSARILY TO BE
  • 00:08:25.183 --> 00:08:26.084
  • HIM NECESSARILY TO BEHEALED.
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  • HEALED.THAT'S ALWAYS THE HOPE.
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  • THAT'S ALWAYS THE HOPE.THEY WERE THINKING OF ONE
  • 00:08:27.886 --> 00:08:29.387
  • THEY WERE THINKING OF ONELAST FAMILY TRIP TOGETHER,
  • 00:08:29.387 --> 00:08:30.689
  • LAST FAMILY TRIP TOGETHER,AND THEY THOUGHT IT MIGHT
  • 00:08:30.689 --> 00:08:31.289
  • AND THEY THOUGHT IT MIGHTAS WELL BE AT A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:08:31.289 --> 00:08:32.591
  • AS WELL BE AT A CHRISTIANCONFERENCE.
  • 00:08:32.591 --> 00:08:34.292
  • CONFERENCE.AND WHEN THEY WENT OUT TO
  • 00:08:34.292 --> 00:08:35.393
  • AND WHEN THEY WENT OUT TOLUNCH, HE ASKED FOR A
  • 00:08:35.393 --> 00:08:37.362
  • LUNCH, HE ASKED FOR ABREADSTICK.
  • 00:08:37.362 --> 00:08:38.563
  • BREADSTICK.THEY WOULD GIVE HIM FOOD
  • 00:08:38.563 --> 00:08:39.731
  • THEY WOULD GIVE HIM FOODTO SMELL BECAUSE HE
  • 00:08:39.731 --> 00:08:40.699
  • TO SMELL BECAUSE HEENJOYED THE SMELL, BUT HE
  • 00:08:40.699 --> 00:08:41.633
  • ENJOYED THE SMELL, BUT HECOULDN'T EAT IT.
  • 00:08:41.633 --> 00:08:43.268
  • COULDN'T EAT IT.A FEW MINUTES LATER,
  • 00:08:43.268 --> 00:08:43.902
  • A FEW MINUTES LATER,HE SAID, "CAN I HAVE
  • 00:08:43.902 --> 00:08:44.903
  • HE SAID, "CAN I HAVEANOTHER?"
  • 00:08:44.903 --> 00:08:45.503
  • ANOTHER?"AND THEY SAID, "WHAT DID
  • 00:08:45.503 --> 00:08:46.404
  • AND THEY SAID, "WHAT DIDYOU DO WITH THE LAST ONE?"
  • 00:08:46.404 --> 00:08:47.572
  • YOU DO WITH THE LAST ONE?"HE SAID, "I ATE IT."
  • 00:08:47.572 --> 00:08:49.274
  • HE SAID, "I ATE IT."AND A LONG STORY SHORT,
  • 00:08:49.274 --> 00:08:50.108
  • AND A LONG STORY SHORT,THEY TESTED HIM OVER THE NEXT
  • 00:08:50.108 --> 00:08:50.976
  • THEY TESTED HIM OVER THE NEXTSEVERAL DAYS, AND HE HAD
  • 00:08:50.976 --> 00:08:53.945
  • SEVERAL DAYS, AND HE HADBEEN MIRACULOUSLY
  • 00:08:53.945 --> 00:08:55.213
  • AND IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY
  • 00:08:56.615 --> 00:08:57.882
  • AND IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARYSTORY.
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  • THEY DID A MOVIE ON HIS
  • 00:08:59.784 --> 00:09:00.619
  • THEY DID A MOVIE ON HISLIFE AND HIS HEALING HERE
  • 00:09:00.619 --> 00:09:03.888
  • LIFE AND HIS HEALING HEREIN REDDING.
  • 00:09:03.888 --> 00:09:04.856
  • IN REDDING.BUT THERE'S MANY OF THOSE
  • 00:09:04.856 --> 00:09:06.157
  • BUT THERE'S MANY OF THOSEKINDS OF THINGS, WHETHER
  • 00:09:06.157 --> 00:09:09.327
  • KINDS OF THINGS, WHETHERIT BE CANCER HEALED,
  • 00:09:09.327 --> 00:09:10.495
  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T
  • 00:09:11.930 --> 00:09:13.498
  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO CAN'TWALK, GET UP AND WALK,
  • 00:09:13.498 --> 00:09:15.533
  • WALK, GET UP AND WALK,AND I NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR
  • 00:09:15.533 --> 00:09:16.601
  • AND I NEED TO MAKE IT CLEARTHOUGH, NOT EVERYONE WE
  • 00:09:16.601 --> 00:09:18.303
  • THOUGH, NOT EVERYONE WEPRAY FOR GETS HEALED.
  • 00:09:18.303 --> 00:09:20.271
  • PRAY FOR GETS HEALED.GOD IS NOT A VENDING
  • 00:09:20.271 --> 00:09:21.373
  • GOD IS NOT A VENDINGMACHINE.
  • 00:09:21.373 --> 00:09:22.707
  • MACHINE.WE'RE ON A RELATIONAL
  • 00:09:22.707 --> 00:09:24.309
  • WE'RE ON A RELATIONALJOURNEY WHERE WE'RE
  • 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:26.378
  • JOURNEY WHERE WE'RELEARNING TO LIVE UP TO THE
  • 00:09:26.378 --> 00:09:27.278
  • LEARNING TO LIVE UP TO THESTANDARD OF SCRIPTURE
  • 00:09:27.278 --> 00:09:28.747
  • STANDARD OF SCRIPTUREINSTEAD OF LOWERING THE
  • 00:09:28.747 --> 00:09:29.547
  • INSTEAD OF LOWERING THESTANDARD OF SCRIPTURE TO
  • 00:09:29.547 --> 00:09:30.849
  • STANDARD OF SCRIPTURE TOOUR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:09:30.849 --> 00:09:31.883
  • OUR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE.AND THAT'S WHAT THE
  • 00:09:31.883 --> 00:09:32.984
  • AND THAT'S WHAT THEFIGHT IS OVER.
  • 00:09:32.984 --> 00:09:33.918
  • FIGHT IS OVER.WE'RE JUST CONTENDING
  • 00:09:33.918 --> 00:09:35.520
  • WE'RE JUST CONTENDINGFOR THAT.
  • 00:09:35.520 --> 00:09:36.388
  • FOR THAT.- ERIC: AND WE HEAR ABOUT
  • 00:09:36.388 --> 00:09:37.355
  • - ERIC: AND WE HEAR ABOUTTHAT, DON'T WE, THAT
  • 00:09:37.355 --> 00:09:39.858
  • THAT, DON'T WE, THATPEOPLE WILL GO SOMEPLACE
  • 00:09:39.858 --> 00:09:41.693
  • IT'S NOT NEW TO YOU, BUT,
  • 00:09:42.827 --> 00:09:43.662
  • IT'S NOT NEW TO YOU, BUT,YOU KNOW, "IMPARTATION."
  • 00:09:43.662 --> 00:09:44.796
  • YOU KNOW, "IMPARTATION."I MEAN, THAT WAS NOT
  • 00:09:44.796 --> 00:09:45.664
  • I MEAN, THAT WAS NOTSOMETHING I'D EVER HEARD,
  • 00:09:45.664 --> 00:09:46.598
  • SOMETHING I'D EVER HEARD,THEN, SUDDENLY, I'M IN
  • 00:09:46.598 --> 00:09:47.532
  • THEN, SUDDENLY, I'M INTHESE CIRCLES, AND PEOPLE
  • 00:09:47.532 --> 00:09:48.466
  • THESE CIRCLES, AND PEOPLEARE USING THAT WORD
  • 00:09:48.466 --> 00:09:49.467
  • ARE USING THAT WORDCONSTANTLY.
  • 00:09:49.467 --> 00:09:51.736
  • CONSTANTLY.WHAT IS THAT?
  • 00:09:51.736 --> 00:09:52.237
  • WHAT IS THAT?IS THAT JUST A FANCY WAY
  • 00:09:52.237 --> 00:09:52.737
  • IS THAT JUST A FANCY WAYOF SAYING "A TOUCH
  • 00:09:52.737 --> 00:09:54.205
  • - BILL: YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:56.041 --> 00:09:56.541
  • - BILL: YOU KNOW,THE LORD PUTS WHAT THE
  • 00:09:56.541 --> 00:09:57.275
  • THE LORD PUTS WHAT THEBIBLE CALLS "GRACE."
  • 00:09:57.275 --> 00:09:58.076
  • BIBLE CALLS "GRACE."GRACE IS THE ENABLING
  • 00:09:58.076 --> 00:09:59.277
  • GRACE IS THE ENABLINGPRESENCE AND POWER OF GOD,
  • 00:09:59.277 --> 00:10:00.779
  • PRESENCE AND POWER OF GOD,AND HE PUTS DIFFERENT
  • 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:03.014
  • AND HE PUTS DIFFERENTFLAVORS OR UNIQUE GRACES
  • 00:10:03.014 --> 00:10:04.282
  • FLAVORS OR UNIQUE GRACESON EACH OF OUR LIVES AS
  • 00:10:04.282 --> 00:10:05.583
  • ON EACH OF OUR LIVES ASBELIEVERS.
  • 00:10:05.583 --> 00:10:06.951
  • BELIEVERS.AND WHEN WE SERVE AND
  • 00:10:06.951 --> 00:10:08.453
  • AND WHEN WE SERVE ANDMINISTER TO OTHER PEOPLE
  • 00:10:08.453 --> 00:10:10.321
  • MINISTER TO OTHER PEOPLEIN OUR IDENTITY IN CHRIST,
  • 00:10:10.321 --> 00:10:11.790
  • IN OUR IDENTITY IN CHRIST,IN OUR PLACE OF PERSONAL
  • 00:10:11.790 --> 00:10:13.992
  • IN OUR PLACE OF PERSONALBREAKTHROUGH, WE IMPART
  • 00:10:13.992 --> 00:10:14.526
  • BREAKTHROUGH, WE IMPARTTHAT GRACE FOR OTHER
  • 00:10:14.526 --> 00:10:15.493
  • THAT GRACE FOR OTHERPEOPLE.
  • 00:10:15.493 --> 00:10:16.961
  • PEOPLE.IT'S THE WHOLE PROCESS OF
  • 00:10:16.961 --> 00:10:18.797
  • IT'S THE WHOLE PROCESS OFDISCIPLING.
  • 00:10:18.797 --> 00:10:20.365
  • DISCIPLING.IF YOU HAVE A GREAT WISDOM
  • 00:10:20.365 --> 00:10:21.566
  • IF YOU HAVE A GREAT WISDOMAT FINANCES, BIBLICAL
  • 00:10:21.566 --> 00:10:22.834
  • AT FINANCES, BIBLICALFINANCES, AND YOU'RE
  • 00:10:22.834 --> 00:10:25.203
  • YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO
  • 00:10:26.805 --> 00:10:27.739
  • YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TOIMPART THAT GRACE SO THAT
  • 00:10:27.739 --> 00:10:28.440
  • IMPART THAT GRACE SO THATTHEIR FINANCIAL WORLD IS
  • 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:29.507
  • THEIR FINANCIAL WORLD ISCHANGED THROUGH YOUR
  • 00:10:29.507 --> 00:10:30.842
  • CHANGED THROUGH YOURINFLUENCE.
  • 00:10:30.842 --> 00:10:31.910
  • INFLUENCE.AND IT'S NOT JUST A
  • 00:10:31.910 --> 00:10:33.578
  • THERE'S ACTUALLY THAT
  • 00:10:34.813 --> 00:10:36.047
  • THERE'S ACTUALLY THATINVISIBLE REALM OF GRACE
  • 00:10:36.047 --> 00:10:38.016
  • INVISIBLE REALM OF GRACETHAT EMPOWERS PEOPLE TO
  • 00:10:38.016 --> 00:10:39.684
  • THAT EMPOWERS PEOPLE TOLIVE RIGHTEOUSLY, AND
  • 00:10:39.684 --> 00:10:42.320
  • LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY, ANDTHAT'S WHAT IT IS.
  • 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:42.987
  • THAT'S WHAT IT IS.PAUL, FOR EXAMPLE, IN
  • 00:10:42.987 --> 00:10:44.522
  • "TO EACH ONE OF US, GRACE
  • 00:10:45.724 --> 00:10:46.658
  • "TO EACH ONE OF US, GRACEIS GIVEN ACCORDING TO THE
  • 00:10:46.658 --> 00:10:49.327
  • IS GIVEN ACCORDING TO THEMEASURE OF CHRIST'S GIFT,"
  • 00:10:49.327 --> 00:10:49.994
  • MEASURE OF CHRIST'S GIFT,"AND THEN HE MENTIONS
  • 00:10:49.994 --> 00:10:51.262
  • AND THEN HE MENTIONSAPOSTLES, PROPHETS,
  • 00:10:51.262 --> 00:10:51.863
  • APOSTLES, PROPHETS,EVANGELISTS, PASTORS,
  • 00:10:51.863 --> 00:10:52.931
  • THE POINT IS THAT WE, ALL
  • 00:10:55.233 --> 00:10:56.801
  • THE POINT IS THAT WE, ALLOF US, CARRY A MEASURE OF
  • 00:10:56.801 --> 00:10:58.069
  • OF US, CARRY A MEASURE OFGRACE TO IMPART TO OTHER
  • 00:10:58.069 --> 00:10:59.437
  • GRACE TO IMPART TO OTHERPEOPLE SO THAT OUR
  • 00:10:59.437 --> 00:11:01.272
  • PEOPLE SO THAT OURBREAKTHROUGH BECOMES MORE
  • 00:11:01.272 --> 00:11:02.240
  • BREAKTHROUGH BECOMES MORECOMMON THROUGHOUT THE BODY
  • 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:03.041
  • COMMON THROUGHOUT THE BODYOF CHRIST.
  • 00:11:03.041 --> 00:11:04.476
  • OF CHRIST.SOMETIMES IT HAS TO DO
  • 00:11:04.476 --> 00:11:05.510
  • SOMETIMES IT HAS TO DOWITH MIRACLES, A GRACE FOR
  • 00:11:05.510 --> 00:11:06.945
  • WITH MIRACLES, A GRACE FORMIRACLES.
  • 00:11:06.945 --> 00:11:09.581
  • MIRACLES.SOMETIMES IT'S A GRACE FOR
  • 00:11:09.581 --> 00:11:10.315
  • SOMETIMES IT'S A GRACE FORPARENTING OR MANAGING
  • 00:11:10.315 --> 00:11:10.815
  • PARENTING OR MANAGINGMONEY.
  • 00:11:10.815 --> 00:11:11.916
  • MONEY.WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE,
  • 00:11:11.916 --> 00:11:13.051
  • WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE,THERE ARE GRACES ON ALL OF
  • 00:11:13.051 --> 00:11:13.585
  • THERE ARE GRACES ON ALL OFOUR LIVES, AND AS WE
  • 00:11:13.585 --> 00:11:16.688
  • OUR LIVES, AND AS WESUBMIT TO ONE ANOTHER,
  • 00:11:16.688 --> 00:11:17.889
  • SUBMIT TO ONE ANOTHER,HONOR ONE ANOTHER, WE GET
  • 00:11:17.889 --> 00:11:19.991
  • HONOR ONE ANOTHER, WE GETTO RECEIVE FROM THE GRACE.
  • 00:11:19.991 --> 00:11:21.059
  • TO RECEIVE FROM THE GRACE.YOU KNOW, I GET TO RECEIVE
  • 00:11:21.059 --> 00:11:22.494
  • YOU KNOW, I GET TO RECEIVEFROM YOUR PERSONAL
  • 00:11:22.494 --> 00:11:23.962
  • FROM YOUR PERSONALBREAKTHROUGH, AND IT
  • 00:11:23.962 --> 00:11:24.896
  • AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S
  • 00:11:26.097 --> 00:11:27.732
  • AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'SSUPPOSED TO WORK.
  • 00:11:27.732 --> 00:11:29.634
  • SUPPOSED TO WORK.WE ARE MEMBERS OF A BODY
  • 00:11:29.634 --> 00:11:30.902
  • WE ARE MEMBERS OF A BODYJOINED TOGETHER, AND THAT
  • 00:11:30.902 --> 00:11:33.171
  • JOINED TOGETHER, AND THATGRACE FLOWS FREELY THAT
  • 00:11:33.171 --> 00:11:34.706
  • IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.
  • 00:11:36.474 --> 00:11:37.041
  • IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.- ERIC: HOW MANY YEARS
  • 00:11:37.041 --> 00:11:38.009
  • - ERIC: HOW MANY YEARSHAVE YOU BEEN IN MINISTRY?
  • 00:11:38.009 --> 00:11:38.977
  • HAVE YOU BEEN IN MINISTRY?BEFORE WE CLOSE, I JUST
  • 00:11:38.977 --> 00:11:39.911
  • BEFORE WE CLOSE, I JUSTWANNA ASK HOW MANY YEARS
  • 00:11:39.911 --> 00:11:40.545
  • WANNA ASK HOW MANY YEARSHAVE YOU BEEN DOIN' WHAT
  • 00:11:40.545 --> 00:11:41.713
  • HAVE YOU BEEN DOIN' WHATYOU DO?
  • 00:11:41.713 --> 00:11:43.348
  • YOU DO?- BILL: FORTY-SEVEN YEARS.
  • 00:11:43.348 --> 00:11:44.115
  • - BILL: FORTY-SEVEN YEARS.- ERIC: FORTY-SEVEN YEARS
  • 00:11:44.115 --> 00:11:44.816
  • - ERIC: FORTY-SEVEN YEARSWELL, I TAKE MY HAT OUT TO
  • 00:11:44.816 --> 00:11:48.787
  • WELL, I TAKE MY HAT OUT TOYOU.
  • 00:11:48.787 --> 00:11:49.220
  • YOU.THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
  • 00:11:49.220 --> 00:11:50.955
  • IT'S A REAL JOY TO HAVE
  • 00:11:51.956 --> 00:11:52.423
  • IT'S A REAL JOY TO HAVEYOU ON THE PROGRAM.
  • 00:11:52.423 --> 00:11:52.924
  • YOU ON THE PROGRAM.THANKS FOR COMIN' ON.
  • 00:11:52.924 --> 00:11:54.459
  • THANKS FOR COMIN' ON.I HOPE PEOPLE LISTENING
  • 00:11:54.459 --> 00:11:56.194
  • I HOPE PEOPLE LISTENINGWILL GET ANY OF YOUR
  • 00:11:56.194 --> 00:11:57.996
  • WILL GET ANY OF YOURBOOKS, BUT THE NEW ONE IS
  • 00:11:57.996 --> 00:11:58.630
  • BOOKS, BUT THE NEW ONE IS"MORNINGS AND EVENINGS IN
  • 00:11:58.630 --> 00:12:00.365
  • IT'S A DEVOTIONAL.
  • 00:12:02.634 --> 00:12:03.201
  • IT'S A DEVOTIONAL.BILL JOHNSON, THANK YOU SO
  • 00:12:03.201 --> 00:12:04.302
  • BILL JOHNSON, THANK YOU SOMUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
  • 00:12:04.302 --> 00:12:05.170
  • MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OF
  • 00:12:05.170 --> 00:12:05.770
  • I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OFIT.
  • 00:12:05.770 --> 00:12:06.805
  • IT.GOD BLESS YOU, MY FRIEND.
  • 00:12:06.805 --> 00:12:07.539
  • GOD BLESS YOU, MY FRIEND.THANK YOU.
  • 00:12:07.539 --> 00:12:08.273
  • THANK YOU.- BILL: THANKS.
  • 00:12:08.273 --> 00:12:08.773
  • - BILL: THANKS.BLESS YOU TOO.
  • 00:12:08.773 --> 00:12:09.641
  • BLESS YOU TOO.THANKS.
  • 00:12:09.641 --> 00:12:11.003
  • BLESS YOU TOO.THANKS.
  • 00:12:11.003 --> 00:12:13.280
  • THANKS.[MUSIC]
  • 00:12:13.280 --> 00:12:13.847
  • [MUSIC]- ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
  • 00:12:13.847 --> 00:12:14.981
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.WELCOME TO "THE ERIC
  • 00:12:14.981 --> 00:12:17.317
  • WELCOME TO "THE ERICMETAXAS SHOW."
  • 00:12:17.317 --> 00:12:17.918
  • METAXAS SHOW."I WASN'T CLEAR WHO MY
  • 00:12:17.918 --> 00:12:18.885
  • I WASN'T CLEAR WHO MYGUEST WAS TODAY.
  • 00:12:18.885 --> 00:12:19.419
  • GUEST WAS TODAY.FOR A MOMENT, I THOUGHT IT
  • 00:12:19.419 --> 00:12:23.223
  • AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST
  • 00:12:24.724 --> 00:12:25.559
  • AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I JUSTFOUND OUT HE'S DECEASED.
  • 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:26.059
  • FOUND OUT HE'S DECEASED.HE CANNOT BE WITH US ON
  • 00:12:26.059 --> 00:12:26.793
  • HE CANNOT BE WITH US ONTHE PROGRAM TODAY.
  • 00:12:26.793 --> 00:12:29.062
  • THE PROGRAM TODAY.THEN I THOUGHT WE WERE
  • 00:12:29.062 --> 00:12:30.096
  • THEN I THOUGHT WE WEREGONNA GET MARIO PERILLO OF
  • 00:12:30.096 --> 00:12:31.565
  • GONNA GET MARIO PERILLO OFPERILLO TOURS.
  • 00:12:31.565 --> 00:12:34.401
  • PERILLO TOURS.HE'S TURNED THE COMPANY
  • 00:12:34.401 --> 00:12:36.102
  • HE'S TURNED THE COMPANYOVER TO HIS SON, MARIO
  • 00:12:36.102 --> 00:12:37.470
  • OVER TO HIS SON, MARIOPERILLO, JR., BUT HE IS
  • 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:38.872
  • PERILLO, JR., BUT HE ISALSO NOT MY GUEST.
  • 00:12:38.872 --> 00:12:40.006
  • MY GUEST IS MARIO MURILLO,
  • 00:12:43.143 --> 00:12:45.078
  • MY GUEST IS MARIO MURILLO,YES.
  • 00:12:45.078 --> 00:12:45.879
  • YES.HE'S THE AUTHOR OF A
  • 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.281
  • HE'S THE AUTHOR OF ABOOK-- I HAVE IT IN MY HAND--
  • 00:12:48.281 --> 00:12:50.283
  • BREAKING DEMONIC SPELLS
  • 00:12:51.551 --> 00:12:54.120
  • BREAKING DEMONIC SPELLSOVER AMERICA TO RELEASE A
  • 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:55.021
  • OVER AMERICA TO RELEASE AGREAT AWAKENING."
  • 00:12:55.021 --> 00:12:56.022
  • GREAT AWAKENING."THAT CRAZY TALK IS RIGHT
  • 00:12:56.022 --> 00:12:57.557
  • THAT CRAZY TALK IS RIGHTUP MY ALLEY.
  • 00:12:57.557 --> 00:12:59.659
  • UP MY ALLEY.MARIO MURILLO, WELCOME TO
  • 00:12:59.659 --> 00:13:00.360
  • - MARIO MURILLO: ERIC,
  • 00:13:01.595 --> 00:13:02.229
  • - MARIO MURILLO: ERIC,IT'S AN HONOR.
  • 00:13:02.229 --> 00:13:04.598
  • IT'S AN HONOR.I'VE READ YOUR BOOKS.
  • 00:13:04.598 --> 00:13:05.332
  • I'VE READ YOUR BOOKS.I'VE WAITED A LONG TIME TO
  • 00:13:05.332 --> 00:13:05.799
  • I'VE WAITED A LONG TIME TOBE ABLE TO HAVE A
  • 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:06.800
  • BE ABLE TO HAVE ACONVERSATION WITH YOU,
  • 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:07.367
  • CONVERSATION WITH YOU,AND I'M VERY HONORED
  • 00:13:07.367 --> 00:13:09.436
  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY,
  • 00:13:10.704 --> 00:13:11.204
  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY,"BREAKING DEMONIC SPELLS
  • 00:13:11.204 --> 00:13:12.772
  • "BREAKING DEMONIC SPELLSOVER AMERICA TO RELEASE A
  • 00:13:12.772 --> 00:13:13.807
  • OVER AMERICA TO RELEASE AGREAT AWAKENING,"
  • 00:13:13.807 --> 00:13:14.341
  • GREAT AWAKENING,"THERE ARE TONS OF FOLKS
  • 00:13:14.341 --> 00:13:15.041
  • THERE ARE TONS OF FOLKSLISTENING TO THIS PROGRAM,
  • 00:13:15.041 --> 00:13:17.010
  • IT SOUNDS VERY RELIGIOUS
  • 00:13:18.378 --> 00:13:19.212
  • IT SOUNDS VERY RELIGIOUSAND STRANGE TO THEM.
  • 00:13:19.212 --> 00:13:21.147
  • AND STRANGE TO THEM.I JUST WANNA SAY I DO
  • 00:13:21.147 --> 00:13:22.048
  • I JUST WANNA SAY I DOUNDERSTAND THAT, AND I
  • 00:13:22.048 --> 00:13:23.950
  • UNDERSTAND THAT, AND ITHINK IT'S VITAL THAT
  • 00:13:23.950 --> 00:13:25.051
  • THINK IT'S VITAL THATPEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT
  • 00:13:25.051 --> 00:13:25.952
  • PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THATEVERYTHING ULTIMATELY IS
  • 00:13:25.952 --> 00:13:27.053
  • EVERYTHING ULTIMATELY ISSPIRITUAL.
  • 00:13:27.053 --> 00:13:28.788
  • SPIRITUAL.WE CAN'T PRETEND THAT
  • 00:13:28.788 --> 00:13:29.356
  • WE CAN'T PRETEND THATWE'RE LIVING IN A SECULAR
  • 00:13:29.356 --> 00:13:30.290
  • WE'RE LIVING IN A SECULARWORLD.
  • 00:13:30.290 --> 00:13:31.391
  • AND HE'S THE GOD OF HISTORY.
  • 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.495
  • AND HE'S THE GOD OF HISTORY.FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE
  • 00:13:35.495 --> 00:13:36.596
  • FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WEGET INTO THE BOOK,
  • 00:13:36.596 --> 00:13:37.364
  • GET INTO THE BOOK,"VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"
  • 00:13:37.364 --> 00:13:38.665
  • "VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND?
  • 00:13:38.665 --> 00:13:39.666
  • WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND?WHERE DID YOU GROW UP, AND
  • 00:13:39.666 --> 00:13:40.433
  • WHERE DID YOU GROW UP, ANDHOW DID YOU GET TO BE
  • 00:13:40.433 --> 00:13:41.568
  • HOW DID YOU GET TO BEWHERE YOU ARE TODAY?
  • 00:13:41.568 --> 00:13:44.137
  • WHERE YOU ARE TODAY?- MARIO: I AM A NATIVE,
  • 00:13:44.137 --> 00:13:44.638
  • - MARIO: I AM A NATIVE,BORN AND RAISED IN THE
  • 00:13:44.638 --> 00:13:45.772
  • BORN AND RAISED IN THECITY OF SAN FRANCISCO,
  • 00:13:45.772 --> 00:13:46.339
  • CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO,AND THAT'S THE BACKGROUND
  • 00:13:46.339 --> 00:13:47.240
  • AND THAT'S THE BACKGROUNDHERE, THE VIRTUAL
  • 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:50.744
  • HERE, THE VIRTUALBACKGROUND, AND I WENT
  • 00:13:50.744 --> 00:13:53.380
  • BACKGROUND, AND I WENTTHROUGH THE REVOLUTION,
  • 00:13:53.380 --> 00:13:53.947
  • THROUGH THE REVOLUTION,THE MARXIST REVOLUTION IN
  • 00:13:53.947 --> 00:13:56.616
  • THE MARXIST REVOLUTION INTHE EARLY DAYS.
  • 00:13:56.616 --> 00:13:57.550
  • THE EARLY DAYS.I ENDED UP AT THE
  • 00:13:57.550 --> 00:13:58.885
  • I ENDED UP AT THEUNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA,
  • 00:13:58.885 --> 00:14:00.954
  • UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA,WHERE I THOUGHT I WAS
  • 00:14:00.954 --> 00:14:03.156
  • WHERE I THOUGHT I WASTHERE TO BE EDUCATED,
  • 00:14:03.156 --> 00:14:05.325
  • THERE TO BE EDUCATED,AND IN THE MIDST OF IT ALL, I
  • 00:14:05.325 --> 00:14:06.960
  • AND IN THE MIDST OF IT ALL, IBEGAN A STUDENT CHRISTIAN
  • 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:08.929
  • AND IT EXPLODED TO 2.000
  • 00:14:10.397 --> 00:14:12.165
  • AND IT EXPLODED TO 2.000STUDENTS, AND THAT REALLY
  • 00:14:12.165 --> 00:14:12.966
  • STUDENTS, AND THAT REALLYWAS ON THE UNIVERSITY OF
  • 00:14:12.966 --> 00:14:14.501
  • WAS ON THE UNIVERSITY OFCALIFORNIA CAMPUS,
  • 00:14:14.501 --> 00:14:16.369
  • CALIFORNIA CAMPUS,THE CHAPTER OF THE JESUS
  • 00:14:16.369 --> 00:14:17.170
  • THE CHAPTER OF THE JESUSMOVEMENT THAT WAS SWEEPING
  • 00:14:17.170 --> 00:14:17.971
  • MOVEMENT THAT WAS SWEEPINGTHE WEST COAST AT THE
  • 00:14:17.971 --> 00:14:19.973
  • SO WE CONFRONTED
  • 00:14:21.408 --> 00:14:22.442
  • SO WE CONFRONTEDEVERYTHING THAT AMERICA IS
  • 00:14:22.442 --> 00:14:23.944
  • EVERYTHING THAT AMERICA ISFACING RIGHT NOW, ALL THE
  • 00:14:23.944 --> 00:14:25.245
  • AND CHRISTIANITY, AND THE
  • 00:14:29.149 --> 00:14:29.616
  • AND CHRISTIANITY, AND THEGOSPEL.
  • 00:14:29.616 --> 00:14:33.253
  • GOSPEL.SO I SAW IT VIVIDLY, AND,
  • 00:14:33.253 --> 00:14:34.054
  • SO I SAW IT VIVIDLY, AND,WHEN I SAY, "BREAKING
  • 00:14:34.054 --> 00:14:35.422
  • I TOLD MY PUBLISHER--
  • 00:14:37.090 --> 00:14:38.191
  • I TOLD MY PUBLISHER--I MIGHT'VE WORDED IT
  • 00:14:38.191 --> 00:14:39.592
  • I MIGHT'VE WORDED ITDIFFERENTLY, BUT I BELIEVE
  • 00:14:39.592 --> 00:14:41.461
  • DIFFERENTLY, BUT I BELIEVETHAT THERE IS A BLANKET OF
  • 00:14:41.461 --> 00:14:43.063
  • THAT THERE IS A BLANKET OFDECEPTION THAT HAS SETTLED
  • 00:14:43.063 --> 00:14:43.730
  • DECEPTION THAT HAS SETTLEDON THE CHURCH WHERE
  • 00:14:43.730 --> 00:14:46.499
  • ON THE CHURCH WHERETHEY'RE ABUSING, FOR
  • 00:14:46.499 --> 00:14:49.135
  • THEY'RE ABUSING, FOREXAMPLE, ROMANS 13, TO
  • 00:14:49.135 --> 00:14:50.003
  • EXAMPLE, ROMANS 13, TOUNDERSTAND THEIR
  • 00:14:50.003 --> 00:14:50.570
  • UNDERSTAND THEIRAPPROPRIATE RESISTANCE TO
  • 00:14:50.570 --> 00:14:52.205
  • APPROPRIATE RESISTANCE TOTHE EVIL OF GOVERNMENT.
  • 00:14:52.205 --> 00:14:54.774
  • THE EVIL OF GOVERNMENT.THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT,
  • 00:14:54.774 --> 00:14:55.642
  • THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT,AND CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN
  • 00:14:55.642 --> 00:14:56.443
  • AND CHRISTIANS HAVE BEENTOO APATHETIC ABOUT IT.
  • 00:14:56.443 --> 00:14:56.943
  • TOO APATHETIC ABOUT IT.- ERIC: YEAH, YOU KNOW
  • 00:14:56.943 --> 00:14:57.944
  • - ERIC: YEAH, YOU KNOWBECAUSE YOU READ MY
  • 00:14:57.944 --> 00:14:58.678
  • BECAUSE YOU READ MY"BONHOEFFER" BOOK THAT
  • 00:14:58.678 --> 00:14:59.446
  • "BONHOEFFER" BOOK THATTHIS WAS WHAT BONHOEFFER
  • 00:14:59.446 --> 00:15:00.647
  • YOU HAVE ALL THESE
  • 00:15:01.948 --> 00:15:02.916
  • YOU HAVE ALL THESELUTHERANS GOING, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:02.916 --> 00:15:04.784
  • LUTHERANS GOING, YOU KNOW,"ROMANS, ROMANS, ROMANS,"
  • 00:15:04.784 --> 00:15:05.952
  • "ROMANS, ROMANS, ROMANS,"AND WERE SUPPOSED TO OBEY
  • 00:15:05.952 --> 00:15:07.087
  • AND WERE SUPPOSED TO OBEYTHE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES,
  • 00:15:07.087 --> 00:15:07.854
  • THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES,AND HE SAID, "WELL, YEAH,
  • 00:15:07.854 --> 00:15:09.656
  • AND HE SAID, "WELL, YEAH,BUT NO."
  • 00:15:09.656 --> 00:15:11.091
  • BUT NO."IF THE GOVERNING
  • 00:15:11.091 --> 00:15:12.092
  • IF THE GOVERNINGAUTHORITIES ARE ADOLF
  • 00:15:12.092 --> 00:15:13.526
  • AUTHORITIES ARE ADOLFHITLER AND THEY'RE
  • 00:15:13.526 --> 00:15:14.761
  • WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
  • 00:15:15.829 --> 00:15:16.763
  • WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEWHOLE COUNSEL OF
  • 00:15:16.763 --> 00:15:17.964
  • WHOLE COUNSEL OFSCRIPTURE.
  • 00:15:17.964 --> 00:15:18.498
  • SCRIPTURE.WHAT DO YOU SAY TO FOLKS
  • 00:15:18.498 --> 00:15:19.632
  • WHAT DO YOU SAY TO FOLKSOUT THERE ABOUT WHERE WE
  • 00:15:19.632 --> 00:15:20.066
  • OUT THERE ABOUT WHERE WEARE SPIRITUALLY AS A
  • 00:15:20.066 --> 00:15:20.967
  • - MARIO: WELL, I THINK
  • 00:15:22.435 --> 00:15:24.437
  • - MARIO: WELL, I THINKTHAT WE WORSHIPED AT THE
  • 00:15:24.437 --> 00:15:25.071
  • THAT WE WORSHIPED AT THEALTAR OF CHURCH GROWTH,
  • 00:15:25.071 --> 00:15:26.373
  • ALTAR OF CHURCH GROWTH,AND SO,
  • 00:15:26.373 --> 00:15:27.240
  • AND SO,INSTEAD OF PRODUCING VIBRANT,
  • 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:28.041
  • INSTEAD OF PRODUCING VIBRANT,BIBLE-BASED DISCIPLES,
  • 00:15:28.041 --> 00:15:29.376
  • BIBLE-BASED DISCIPLES,WE WERE CONTENT TO
  • 00:15:29.376 --> 00:15:31.311
  • WE WERE CONTENT TOMASS-PRODUCE PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:15:31.311 --> 00:15:33.613
  • MASS-PRODUCE PEOPLE THATHAD A TENDENCY TOWARD
  • 00:15:33.613 --> 00:15:35.482
  • HAD A TENDENCY TOWARDGOD, AND SO THEY BECAME
  • 00:15:35.482 --> 00:15:36.850
  • GOD, AND SO THEY BECAMEILLITERATE BIBLICALLY, AND
  • 00:15:36.850 --> 00:15:37.951
  • ILLITERATE BIBLICALLY, ANDTHEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO
  • 00:15:37.951 --> 00:15:39.753
  • THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TODEFEND THEIR VIEWPOINT,
  • 00:15:39.753 --> 00:15:40.887
  • DEFEND THEIR VIEWPOINT,LIKE LET'S TAKE ROMANS 13.
  • 00:15:40.887 --> 00:15:42.889
  • LIKE LET'S TAKE ROMANS 13.IF YOU TAKE IT
  • 00:15:42.889 --> 00:15:44.924
  • IF YOU TAKE ITCONTEXTUALLY, THERE'S A
  • 00:15:44.924 --> 00:15:45.658
  • CONTEXTUALLY, THERE'S APHRASE IN THERE THAT SAYS,
  • 00:15:45.658 --> 00:15:47.660
  • PHRASE IN THERE THAT SAYS,"THE AUTHORITIES THAT ARE
  • 00:15:47.660 --> 00:15:48.995
  • "THE AUTHORITIES THAT AREOF GOD ARE NOT A THREAT TO
  • 00:15:48.995 --> 00:15:50.597
  • OF GOD ARE NOT A THREAT TOTHE RIGHTEOUS."
  • 00:15:50.597 --> 00:15:51.197
  • THE RIGHTEOUS."THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN A CLUE.
  • 00:15:51.197 --> 00:15:51.664
  • THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN A CLUE.THAT'S WHAT BONHOEFFER
  • 00:15:51.664 --> 00:15:54.434
  • THAT'S WHAT BONHOEFFERUNDERSTOOD.
  • 00:15:54.434 --> 00:15:55.402
  • UNDERSTOOD.YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
  • 00:15:55.402 --> 00:15:56.903
  • YOU KNOW, ONE OF THETHINGS THAT I REALLY FEEL
  • 00:15:56.903 --> 00:15:59.672
  • THINGS THAT I REALLY FEELSTRONGLY ABOUT IS THE
  • 00:15:59.672 --> 00:16:00.407
  • STRONGLY ABOUT IS THEIMPORTANT-- YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:16:00.407 --> 00:16:01.708
  • IMPORTANT-- YOU KNOW, IKNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:16:01.708 --> 00:16:02.242
  • KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TOTALK ABOUT OUR BOOK, MY
  • 00:16:02.242 --> 00:16:02.876
  • TALK ABOUT OUR BOOK, MYBOOK, BUT I WANNA MENTION
  • 00:16:02.876 --> 00:16:04.144
  • BOOK, BUT I WANNA MENTIONYOUR BOOK ON WILBERFORCE
  • 00:16:04.144 --> 00:16:06.413
  • YOUR BOOK ON WILBERFORCEBECAUSE THIS IS THE HOUR
  • 00:16:06.413 --> 00:16:08.281
  • BECAUSE THIS IS THE HOURWE'RE LIVING IN.
  • 00:16:08.281 --> 00:16:08.782
  • WE'RE LIVING IN.NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN
  • 00:16:08.782 --> 00:16:10.216
  • NOT EVERY CHRISTIANBELONGS BEHIND THE PULPIT.
  • 00:16:10.216 --> 00:16:11.518
  • BELONGS BEHIND THE PULPIT.NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN
  • 00:16:11.518 --> 00:16:12.652
  • NOT EVERY CHRISTIANBELONGS IN MINISTRY, AND,
  • 00:16:12.652 --> 00:16:15.522
  • BELONGS IN MINISTRY, AND,SOMEHOW, WE HAVE TURNED
  • 00:16:15.522 --> 00:16:16.956
  • SOMEHOW, WE HAVE TURNEDSUNDAY MORNING INTO THE
  • 00:16:16.956 --> 00:16:19.726
  • SUNDAY MORNING INTO THEMOST UNDERUTILIZED TOOL, A
  • 00:16:19.726 --> 00:16:23.129
  • MOST UNDERUTILIZED TOOL, ATALENT POOL IN THE HISTORY
  • 00:16:23.129 --> 00:16:24.531
  • TALENT POOL IN THE HISTORYOF THE CHURCH.
  • 00:16:24.531 --> 00:16:26.366
  • OF THE CHURCH.WE OUGHT TO BE ENGAGED.
  • 00:16:26.366 --> 00:16:29.035
  • WE OUGHT TO BE ENGAGED.WHY ARE WE LAMENTING WHAT
  • 00:16:29.035 --> 00:16:31.237
  • WHY ARE WE LAMENTING WHATHAPPENED TO SOCIAL MEDIA?
  • 00:16:31.237 --> 00:16:32.439
  • HAPPENED TO SOCIAL MEDIA?WHY ARE WE COMPLAINING
  • 00:16:32.439 --> 00:16:33.073
  • WHY ARE WE COMPLAININGTHAT ALL OF THE MEDIA IS
  • 00:16:33.073 --> 00:16:34.274
  • THAT ALL OF THE MEDIA ISLEFT WING?
  • 00:16:34.274 --> 00:16:36.076
  • LEFT WING?IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT THE
  • 00:16:36.076 --> 00:16:37.277
  • IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT THEDEVIL TOOK THAT AS MUCH AS
  • 00:16:37.277 --> 00:16:38.344
  • DEVIL TOOK THAT AS MUCH ASTHE CHURCH ABDICATED HER
  • 00:16:38.344 --> 00:16:40.780
  • THE CHURCH ABDICATED HERRIGHTEOUS ROLE.
  • 00:16:40.780 --> 00:16:41.881
  • RIGHTEOUS ROLE.THE IDEA THE CHURCH SHOULD
  • 00:16:41.881 --> 00:16:43.149
  • THE IDEA THE CHURCH SHOULDNOT BE POLITICALLY
  • 00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:44.584
  • NOT BE POLITICALLYINVOLVED IS A NEW IDEA.
  • 00:16:44.584 --> 00:16:46.920
  • INVOLVED IS A NEW IDEA.- ERIC: BEFORE WE GET
  • 00:16:46.920 --> 00:16:47.720
  • - ERIC: BEFORE WE GETINTO YOUR BOOK
  • 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.122
  • INTO YOUR BOOK"VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"
  • 00:16:49.122 --> 00:16:49.622
  • "VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS
  • 00:16:49.622 --> 00:16:52.325
  • WHERE DO YOU SEE THISCOUNTRY GOING?
  • 00:16:52.325 --> 00:16:53.560
  • COUNTRY GOING?- MARIO: WELL, THE REASON
  • 00:16:53.560 --> 00:16:54.661
  • - MARIO: WELL, THE REASONI'M ENJOYING THIS SO MUCH
  • 00:16:54.661 --> 00:16:55.628
  • I'M ENJOYING THIS SO MUCHRIGHT NOW IS 'CAUSE I KNOW
  • 00:16:55.628 --> 00:16:56.629
  • RIGHT NOW IS 'CAUSE I KNOWYOU'RE NOT JUST AN AUTHOR,
  • 00:16:56.629 --> 00:16:58.865
  • YOU'RE NOT JUST AN AUTHOR,BUT YOU'RE A HISTORIAN.
  • 00:16:58.865 --> 00:16:59.866
  • BUT YOU'RE A HISTORIAN.AMERICA IS A MIRACLE.
  • 00:16:59.866 --> 00:17:01.267
  • AMERICA IS A MIRACLE.NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN, LIKE
  • 00:17:01.267 --> 00:17:06.306
  • NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN, LIKEISRAEL, THE UNITED STATES'
  • 00:17:06.306 --> 00:17:07.340
  • ISRAEL, THE UNITED STATES'HISTORY, WARTS AND ALL, IS
  • 00:17:07.340 --> 00:17:08.942
  • IT'S SUPERNATURAL HOW THIS
  • 00:17:10.143 --> 00:17:12.979
  • IT'S SUPERNATURAL HOW THISCONSORTIUM OF THINKERS,
  • 00:17:12.979 --> 00:17:14.314
  • CONSORTIUM OF THINKERS,BUSINESSMEN, PHILOSOPHERS,
  • 00:17:14.314 --> 00:17:15.982
  • BUSINESSMEN, PHILOSOPHERS,AND CHRISTIAN PASTORS SAT
  • 00:17:15.982 --> 00:17:18.651
  • AND CHRISTIAN PASTORS SATDOWN AND DECIDED WE'RE
  • 00:17:18.651 --> 00:17:19.786
  • DOWN AND DECIDED WE'REGOING TO DUMP THE BRITISH
  • 00:17:19.786 --> 00:17:21.788
  • GOING TO DUMP THE BRITISHEMPIRE.
  • 00:17:21.788 --> 00:17:23.089
  • EMPIRE.WE'RE GONNA FORM A NATION
  • 00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:25.792
  • WE'RE GONNA FORM A NATIONBASED ON THE IDEA OF
  • 00:17:25.792 --> 00:17:27.327
  • BASED ON THE IDEA OFCONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC
  • 00:17:27.327 --> 00:17:28.828
  • IT'S A MIRACLE.
  • 00:17:30.530 --> 00:17:31.831
  • IT'S A MIRACLE.FIFTEEN TIMES IN OUR
  • 00:17:31.831 --> 00:17:33.800
  • FIFTEEN TIMES IN OURHISTORY THAT I COULD NAME
  • 00:17:33.800 --> 00:17:38.037
  • HISTORY THAT I COULD NAMEWE HAVE BEEN MIRACULOUSLY
  • 00:17:38.037 --> 00:17:38.605
  • WE HAVE BEEN MIRACULOUSLYSAVED FROM EXTINCTION, AND
  • 00:17:38.605 --> 00:17:41.341
  • SAVED FROM EXTINCTION, ANDTHE THING THAT I FELT, ERIC,
  • 00:17:41.341 --> 00:17:42.475
  • THE THING THAT I FELT, ERIC,THAT WAS SO KEY IN MY LIFE
  • 00:17:42.475 --> 00:17:44.010
  • THAT WAS SO KEY IN MY LIFEIS, ONE NIGHT, IN PRAYER,
  • 00:17:44.010 --> 00:17:47.647
  • IS, ONE NIGHT, IN PRAYER,I COLLIDED WITH GOD'S
  • 00:17:47.647 --> 00:17:49.015
  • I COLLIDED WITH GOD'SFIERCE INTENTION TO SPARE
  • 00:17:49.015 --> 00:17:51.184
  • FIERCE INTENTION TO SPARETHIS NATION NO MATTER WHAT
  • 00:17:51.184 --> 00:17:53.887
  • THIS NATION NO MATTER WHATBUT THAT WE CAN CHOOSE
  • 00:17:53.887 --> 00:17:56.489
  • BUT THAT WE CAN CHOOSEWHETHER THAT'S THAT MERCY
  • 00:17:56.489 --> 00:17:58.158
  • WHETHER THAT'S THAT MERCYWILL BE EXPRESSED IN
  • 00:17:58.158 --> 00:17:59.192
  • WILL BE EXPRESSED INCATACLYSMIC UPHEAVAL OR IN
  • 00:17:59.192 --> 00:18:02.128
  • CATACLYSMIC UPHEAVAL OR INJUST STRAIGHT-ON
  • 00:18:02.128 --> 00:18:04.097
  • JUST STRAIGHT-ONREPENTANCE.
  • 00:18:04.097 --> 00:18:04.664
  • REPENTANCE.BUT GOD IS NOT GOING TO
  • 00:18:04.664 --> 00:18:07.033
  • BUT GOD IS NOT GOING TOLET THE LEFT HAVE AMERICA.
  • 00:18:07.033 --> 00:18:08.668
  • LET THE LEFT HAVE AMERICA.BUT I BELIEVE IT IS
  • 00:18:08.668 --> 00:18:10.069
  • BUT I BELIEVE IT ISESSENTIAL THAT, AS
  • 00:18:10.069 --> 00:18:11.571
  • ESSENTIAL THAT, ASCHRISTIANS, THAT OUR
  • 00:18:11.571 --> 00:18:12.372
  • CHRISTIANS, THAT OURBRAINS ARE NOT CHECKED AT
  • 00:18:12.372 --> 00:18:13.406
  • BRAINS ARE NOT CHECKED ATTHE DOOR WHEN WE GET SAVED.
  • 00:18:13.406 --> 00:18:14.641
  • THE DOOR WHEN WE GET SAVED.THEY'RE ENHANCED.
  • 00:18:14.641 --> 00:18:15.608
  • THEY'RE ENHANCED.OUR INTELLIGENCE IS
  • 00:18:15.608 --> 00:18:16.776
  • AND WHAT'S MISSING IS
  • 00:18:19.379 --> 00:18:20.647
  • AND WHAT'S MISSING ISSOMETHIN' I FEEL SATAN DID
  • 00:18:20.647 --> 00:18:22.382
  • SOMETHIN' I FEEL SATAN DIDTO THE CHURCH, THE MODERN
  • 00:18:22.382 --> 00:18:24.250
  • TO THE CHURCH, THE MODERNAMERICAN CHURCH, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:25.618
  • AMERICAN CHURCH, YOU KNOW,AND I SAW IT IN A STRANGE
  • 00:18:25.618 --> 00:18:26.586
  • AND I SAW IT IN A STRANGEWAY, AND I'LL JUST TAKE A
  • 00:18:26.586 --> 00:18:27.954
  • WAY, AND I'LL JUST TAKE AMOMENT BECAUSE I THINK
  • 00:18:27.954 --> 00:18:30.623
  • MOMENT BECAUSE I THINKTHIS IS A REAL IMPORTANT
  • 00:18:30.623 --> 00:18:31.791
  • THIS IS A REAL IMPORTANTISSUE WHEN I TALK ABOUT
  • 00:18:31.791 --> 00:18:34.661
  • ISSUE WHEN I TALK ABOUTCHURCH GROWTH.
  • 00:18:34.661 --> 00:18:36.262
  • CHURCH GROWTH.JUST AS GRACE, "CHEAP GRACE,"
  • 00:18:36.262 --> 00:18:38.531
  • JUST AS GRACE, "CHEAP GRACE,"AS BONHOEFFER REFERRED TO IT,
  • 00:18:38.531 --> 00:18:40.400
  • AS BONHOEFFER REFERRED TO IT,INTOXICATED THE LUTHERAN
  • 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:41.734
  • INTOXICATED THE LUTHERANCHURCH, AMERICAN CHURCH
  • 00:18:41.734 --> 00:18:45.271
  • CHURCH, AMERICAN CHURCHWAS INTOXICATED AND FELL
  • 00:18:45.271 --> 00:18:46.406
  • WAS INTOXICATED AND FELLTO A TEMPTATION, AND,
  • 00:18:46.406 --> 00:18:47.941
  • IT WAS THE SECOND
  • 00:18:49.075 --> 00:18:50.043
  • IT WAS THE SECONDTEMPTATION OF CHRIST IN
  • 00:18:50.043 --> 00:18:50.977
  • TEMPTATION OF CHRIST INTHE WILDERNESS WHERE THE
  • 00:18:50.977 --> 00:18:51.911
  • THE WILDERNESS WHERE THEDEVIL SAID, "IF YOU BOW
  • 00:18:51.911 --> 00:18:53.513
  • DEVIL SAID, "IF YOU BOWDOWN AND WORSHIP ME, I
  • 00:18:53.513 --> 00:18:54.914
  • DOWN AND WORSHIP ME, IWILL GIVE YOU ALL THE
  • 00:18:54.914 --> 00:18:56.149
  • WILL GIVE YOU ALL THEKINGDOMS OF THE WORLD."
  • 00:18:56.149 --> 00:18:57.517
  • KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD."WELL, THE REAL TEMPTATION
  • 00:18:57.517 --> 00:18:58.685
  • WELL, THE REAL TEMPTATIONTHERE WAS THE HUMAN SIDE
  • 00:18:58.685 --> 00:19:00.220
  • TO BE ABLE TO SAVE
  • 00:19:01.221 --> 00:19:02.121
  • TO BE ABLE TO SAVEHUMANITY WITHOUT ENDURING
  • 00:19:02.121 --> 00:19:04.457
  • HUMANITY WITHOUT ENDURINGTHE CROSS.
  • 00:19:04.457 --> 00:19:06.092
  • THE CROSS.AND THE PREACHING OF THE
  • 00:19:06.092 --> 00:19:08.628
  • AND THE PREACHING OF THECROSS IS ALWAYS THE FIRST
  • 00:19:08.628 --> 00:19:09.762
  • CROSS IS ALWAYS THE FIRSTTHING THAT SATAN GOES
  • 00:19:09.762 --> 00:19:10.663
  • THING THAT SATAN GOESAFTER WHEN HE WANTS TO
  • 00:19:10.663 --> 00:19:11.965
  • AFTER WHEN HE WANTS TOMODERNIZE AND NEUTRALIZE
  • 00:19:11.965 --> 00:19:12.999
  • MODERNIZE AND NEUTRALIZEAND BASICALLY SIDELINE
  • 00:19:12.999 --> 00:19:14.634
  • AND BASICALLY SIDELINECHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:19:14.634 --> 00:19:15.235
  • CHRISTIANITY.- ERIC: I NEED TO ASK YOU--
  • 00:19:15.235 --> 00:19:16.903
  • WHAT KIND OF MINISTRY DO
  • 00:19:19.572 --> 00:19:20.073
  • WHAT KIND OF MINISTRY DOYOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND
  • 00:19:20.073 --> 00:19:21.407
  • YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, ANDWHERE IS IT?
  • 00:19:21.407 --> 00:19:22.775
  • WHERE IS IT?- MARIO: I AM FULL TIME
  • 00:19:22.775 --> 00:19:23.843
  • - MARIO: I AM FULL TIMEIN TENT CRUSADES.
  • 00:19:23.843 --> 00:19:26.246
  • IN TENT CRUSADES.WE JUST FINISHED A TENT
  • 00:19:26.246 --> 00:19:27.547
  • WE JUST FINISHED A TENTCRUSADE IN FRESNO,
  • 00:19:27.547 --> 00:19:29.616
  • CRUSADE IN FRESNO,CALIFORNIA, WHERE NEARLY A
  • 00:19:29.616 --> 00:19:31.651
  • CALIFORNIA, WHERE NEARLY ATHOUSAND PEOPLE CAME
  • 00:19:31.651 --> 00:19:33.720
  • THOUSAND PEOPLE CAMEFORWARD IN SIX NIGHTS, AND
  • 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:34.754
  • WE CHALLENGED GAVIN NEWSOM
  • 00:19:36.522 --> 00:19:38.958
  • WE CHALLENGED GAVIN NEWSOMON THE CALIFORNIA TURF,
  • 00:19:38.958 --> 00:19:41.361
  • ON THE CALIFORNIA TURF,AND WE WON, SO THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:19:41.361 --> 00:19:42.895
  • AND WE WON, SO THAT'S WHATI DO, AND IT IS A
  • 00:19:42.895 --> 00:19:44.731
  • I DO, AND IT IS AWONDERFUL EXPERIENCE UNDER
  • 00:19:44.731 --> 00:19:47.000
  • WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE UNDEROUR TENT.
  • 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:47.967
  • OUR TENT.I DON'T KNOW OF ANY
  • 00:19:47.967 --> 00:19:49.369
  • I DON'T KNOW OF ANYATMOSPHERE THAT CAN MATCH
  • 00:19:49.369 --> 00:19:52.105
  • ATMOSPHERE THAT CAN MATCHTHE TENT, BUT IT IS JUST
  • 00:19:52.105 --> 00:19:52.872
  • THE TENT, BUT IT IS JUSTTHE SIMPLE MESSAGE OF
  • 00:19:52.872 --> 00:19:54.540
  • THE SIMPLE MESSAGE OFCHRIST: THE CROSS, THE
  • 00:19:54.540 --> 00:19:56.309
  • CHRIST: THE CROSS, THEBLOOD, THE RESURRECTION,
  • 00:19:56.309 --> 00:19:58.945
  • BLOOD, THE RESURRECTION,THE SECOND COMING, AND WE
  • 00:19:58.945 --> 00:20:00.380
  • THE SECOND COMING, AND WEHAVE A TEAM THAT KNOWS HOW
  • 00:20:00.380 --> 00:20:03.249
  • HAVE A TEAM THAT KNOWS HOWTO GET UN-CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:20:03.249 --> 00:20:04.150
  • TO GET UN-CHRISTIAN,UNCHURCHED PEOPLE INTO THE
  • 00:20:04.150 --> 00:20:05.652
  • UNCHURCHED PEOPLE INTO THESEATS.
  • 00:20:05.652 --> 00:20:06.486
  • SEATS.WE KNOW HOW TO GET THE
  • 00:20:06.486 --> 00:20:07.353
  • WE KNOW HOW TO GET THE
  • 00:20:08.421 --> 00:20:09.155
  • WE KNOW HOW TO GET THEPEOPLE THAT DON'T--
  • 00:20:09.155 --> 00:20:09.656
  • PEOPLE THAT DON'T--- ERIC: THAT'S THE WAY
  • 00:20:09.656 --> 00:20:10.256
  • - ERIC: THAT'S THE WAYTO DO IT.
  • 00:20:10.256 --> 00:20:10.857
  • TO DO IT.THAT'S CALLED "EVANGELISM,"
  • 00:20:10.857 --> 00:20:11.424
  • THAT'S CALLED "EVANGELISM,"IN CASE ANYBODY'S SCORING
  • 00:20:11.424 --> 00:20:11.958
  • IN CASE ANYBODY'S SCORINGAT HOME.
  • 00:20:11.958 --> 00:20:12.392
  • AT HOME.- MARIO: YES, SIR.
  • 00:20:12.392 --> 00:20:12.892
  • - MARIO: YES, SIR.- ERIC: THAT'S CALLED
  • 00:20:12.892 --> 00:20:13.359
  • - ERIC: THAT'S CALLED"EVANGELISM."
  • 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.060
  • IF PEOPLE WANNA FIND YOU
  • 00:20:15.862 --> 00:20:17.930
  • IF PEOPLE WANNA FIND YOUONLINE-- NOW, THE BOOK,
  • 00:20:17.930 --> 00:20:18.531
  • ONLINE-- NOW, THE BOOK,OF COURSE, IS
  • 00:20:18.531 --> 00:20:19.432
  • OF COURSE, IS"VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"
  • 00:20:19.432 --> 00:20:20.533
  • "VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"BY MARIO MURILLO,
  • 00:20:20.533 --> 00:20:21.634
  • BY MARIO MURILLO,BUT IF PEOPLE
  • 00:20:21.634 --> 00:20:22.201
  • BUT IF PEOPLEWANNA FIND YOU ONLINE,
  • 00:20:22.201 --> 00:20:23.569
  • WANNA FIND YOU ONLINE,WHAT'S THE WEBSITE?
  • 00:20:23.569 --> 00:20:24.270
  • MARIOMURILLO.ORG.
  • 00:20:25.505 --> 00:20:27.607
  • - ERIC: IN YOUR BOOK
  • 00:20:29.242 --> 00:20:30.143
  • - ERIC: IN YOUR BOOK"VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"
  • 00:20:30.143 --> 00:20:31.177
  • "VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"YOU SAY, "BREAKING DEMONIC
  • 00:20:31.177 --> 00:20:32.312
  • YOU SAY, "BREAKING DEMONICSPELLS."
  • 00:20:32.312 --> 00:20:32.812
  • SPELLS."WE'VE JUST GOT ABOUT A
  • 00:20:32.812 --> 00:20:34.047
  • WE'VE JUST GOT ABOUT AMINUTE LEFT.
  • 00:20:34.047 --> 00:20:34.547
  • MINUTE LEFT.TALK ABOUT THAT, IF YOU
  • 00:20:34.547 --> 00:20:35.982
  • TALK ABOUT THAT, IF YOUCOULD, PLEASE.
  • 00:20:35.982 --> 00:20:36.516
  • COULD, PLEASE.- MARIO: WELL, AGAIN,
  • 00:20:36.516 --> 00:20:37.784
  • - MARIO: WELL, AGAIN,IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO BE
  • 00:20:37.784 --> 00:20:38.651
  • IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO BEWITH YOU BECAUSE I LOVE
  • 00:20:38.651 --> 00:20:40.853
  • WITH YOU BECAUSE I LOVEYOUR WRITINGS.
  • 00:20:40.853 --> 00:20:42.855
  • YOUR WRITINGS.I LOVE THE PRECISENESS AND
  • 00:20:42.855 --> 00:20:43.723
  • I LOVE THE PRECISENESS ANDTHE CLARITY.
  • 00:20:43.723 --> 00:20:44.891
  • THE CLARITY.HERE IS A MESSAGE FOR THIS
  • 00:20:44.891 --> 00:20:45.858
  • HERE IS A MESSAGE FOR THISHOUR, LADIES AND
  • 00:20:45.858 --> 00:20:47.660
  • HOUR, LADIES ANDGENTLEMEN.
  • 00:20:47.660 --> 00:20:49.595
  • GENTLEMEN.IN PRAYER AND IN
  • 00:20:49.595 --> 00:20:50.196
  • IN PRAYER AND INOUTSPOKENNESS, THE CHURCH
  • 00:20:50.196 --> 00:20:52.498
  • OUTSPOKENNESS, THE CHURCHSPEAKING OUT AND
  • 00:20:52.498 --> 00:20:53.933
  • SPEAKING OUT ANDUNDERSTANDING WHAT WE
  • 00:20:53.933 --> 00:20:56.102
  • UNDERSTANDING WHAT WEBELIEVE, WHAT WE KNOW, WE
  • 00:20:56.102 --> 00:20:58.037
  • BELIEVE, WHAT WE KNOW, WECAN STOP SATAN'S AGENDA
  • 00:20:58.037 --> 00:20:59.639
  • CAN STOP SATAN'S AGENDAFOR AMERICA.
  • 00:20:59.639 --> 00:21:00.640
  • FOR AMERICA.WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT'S
  • 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:01.207
  • WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT'SPOSSIBLE.
  • 00:21:01.207 --> 00:21:03.242
  • POSSIBLE.GOD WANTS TO GIVE AMERICA
  • 00:21:03.242 --> 00:21:06.412
  • GOD WANTS TO GIVE AMERICAONE MORE ERA OF PEACE AND
  • 00:21:06.412 --> 00:21:07.747
  • ONE MORE ERA OF PEACE ANDPROSPERITY FOR THE GOSPEL
  • 00:21:07.747 --> 00:21:09.415
  • PROSPERITY FOR THE GOSPELTO GET OUT AND FOR REVIVAL
  • 00:21:09.415 --> 00:21:11.351
  • TO GET OUT AND FOR REVIVALTO HAPPEN.
  • 00:21:11.351 --> 00:21:13.019
  • TO HAPPEN.GOD IS TELLING PEOPLE IN
  • 00:21:13.019 --> 00:21:15.321
  • GOD IS TELLING PEOPLE IN"VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"
  • 00:21:15.321 --> 00:21:17.357
  • "VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY,"HE'S CALLING TO HIMSELF A
  • 00:21:17.357 --> 00:21:18.958
  • HE'S CALLING TO HIMSELF ACORE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
  • 00:21:18.958 --> 00:21:20.626
  • CORE OF PEOPLE WHO AREVERY PROPHETIC, VERY
  • 00:21:20.626 --> 00:21:21.627
  • VERY PROPHETIC, VERYHUNGRY TO SAVE THIS
  • 00:21:21.627 --> 00:21:23.129
  • HUNGRY TO SAVE THISNATION, WHO ARE PRAYING,
  • 00:21:23.129 --> 00:21:25.164
  • NATION, WHO ARE PRAYING,BUT NOW, ON TOP OF PRAYER,
  • 00:21:25.164 --> 00:21:26.566
  • BUT NOW, ON TOP OF PRAYER,THEY WILL BE GIVEN GIFTS
  • 00:21:26.566 --> 00:21:28.601
  • THEY WILL BE GIVEN GIFTSAND MESSAGES FROM GOD THAT
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  • AND MESSAGES FROM GOD THATWILL ENFORCE A REFORMATION
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  • WILL ENFORCE A REFORMATIONWHICH IS WHAT WE NEED, NOT
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  • WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED, NOTJUST A REVIVAL, NOT JUST
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  • JUST A REVIVAL, NOT JUSTAN AWAKENING, BUT A
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  • AN AWAKENING, BUT AREFORMATION.
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  • REFORMATION.- ERIC: WOW.
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  • - ERIC: WOW.THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO END.
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  • THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO END.I LOOK FORWARD,
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  • I LOOK FORWARD,MARIO MURILLO,
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  • MARIO MURILLO,TO MEETING YOU IN PERSON.
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  • TO MEETING YOU IN PERSON.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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  • THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.THANK YOU FOR YOUR
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  • THANK YOU FOR YOURMESSAGE.
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  • MESSAGE.THANKS FOR THE BOOK
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  • THANKS FOR THE BOOK"VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY."
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  • "VESSELS OF FIRE & GLORY."AND, AGAIN, FOLKS CAN FIND
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  • AND, AGAIN, FOLKS CAN FINDYOU AT MARIOMURILLO.COM.
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  • YOU AT MARIOMURILLO.COM.TO BE CONTINUED, BROTHER.
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  • TO BE CONTINUED, BROTHER.GOD BLESS YOU.
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  • GOD BLESS YOU.- MARIO: I HOPE SO.
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  • - MARIO: I HOPE SO.GOD BLESS YOU.
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  • GOD BLESS YOU.WHAT AN HONOR.
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