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- - MALE: HEY.
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- - ERIC METAXAS: I'M
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- ERIC METAXAS, AND I HAVE
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- THE DIRECTOR IN THE
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- STUDIO OF "ROCKET MAN,"
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- WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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- - ROBERT ORLANDO: WRONG GUY.
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- [LAUGHTER]
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- - ERIC: HOLY COW, YOU'RE NOT
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- YOU'RE A WHOLE DIFFERENT
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- MOVIE DIRECTOR.
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- - ROBERT: YEAH, I'M
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- THE OTHER GUY.
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- - ERIC: YOU MUST BE
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- ROBERT ORLANDO.
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- - ROBERT: I AM.
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- - ERIC: I JUST MET YOU.
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- I KNEW THAT.
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- [LAUGHTER]
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- I GOTTA TELL YOU, I GET VERY
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- EXCITED ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF
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- YOUR FILM AND THE BOOK.
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- LET'S START HERE: THE BOOK THAT
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- YOU WROTE WITH PAUL KENGOR,
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- WHO'S A GROVE CITY HISTORIAN,
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- IS CALLED "THE DIVINE PLAN:
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- JOHN PAUL II,
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- RONALD REAGAN, AND THE
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- DRAMATIC END OF THE COLD WAR."
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- THIS IS THE BOOK, BUT YOU HAVE
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- DIRECTED A FILM CALLED
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- IT'S COMING OUT ON
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- NOVEMBER 6TH ONLY.
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- IT'S ONE OF THOSE ONE-NIGHT
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- EVENTS.
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- - ROBERT: YUP.
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- - ERIC: HOW DID YOU, ROBERT
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- BECAUSE, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
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- RONALD REAGAN, JOHN PAUL II,
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- USUALLY MARGARET THATCHER
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- GETS THROWN IN.
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- YOU REALIZE IT'S A CONVERGENCE
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- OF FORCES IN HISTORY
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- UNLIKE ANYTHING.
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- - ROBERT: MM-HMM.
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- - ERIC: HOW DID YOU GET
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- PULLED INTO THIS?
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- - ROBERT: I READ PAUL'S BOOK,
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- AND I WAS INSPIRED BY IT, BUT I
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- ALSO, JUST AS A FILMMAKER, WAS
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- SNIFFIN' OUT A STORY AND SAYING,
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- "IF A POPE AND A PRESIDENT GOT
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- TOGETHER BEHIND THE SCENES AND
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- INVOLVED THE CIA AND POLISH
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- SOLIDARITY AND THERE WAS MONEY
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- INVOLVED AND THE VATICAN WAS
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- RECOGNIZED AND THIS IS NOT A
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- TOM CLANCY NOVEL--"
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- - ERIC: SOUNDS LIKE A FILM.
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- - ROBERT: YEAH, "IT'S NOT A
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- TOM CLANCY NOVEL,"
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- I SAID, THEN--
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- SO, AT FIRST, IT WAS MY
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- CURIOSITY: "IS THIS TRUE, AND
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- COULD THIS BE PROVEN ENOUGH TO
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- WRITE A BOOK?"
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- IF YOU COULD BACK IT UP WITH A
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- BOOK AND RESEARCH, THEN IT'S
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- JUST GONNA BE GRAVY
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- WITH THE FILM.
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- - ERIC: WHAT CONVINCED YOU
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- THAT IT WAS TRUE?
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- - ROBERT: THE FACTS ARE THERE.
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- IF YOU BROKE DOWN THE FILM, IT'S
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- PARTS LIKE, "WAS THERE REALLY
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- AN OPERATION?
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- WAS THERE COMMUNIQUÉS?
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- DID REAGAN AND
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- JOHN PAUL II MEET?
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- DID THEY BOTH FEEL THE SAME?
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- DID THEY USE THE TERM 'THE
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- DIVINE PLAN'?"
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- THEY ACTUALLY USED THE CODE,
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- "THE DP."
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- THERE WAS ACTUALLY A
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- CLANDESTINE OPERATION IN
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- WASHINGTON, WHERE REAGAN WOULD
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- GO TO BILL CASEY, AND THEY'D
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- CALL IT "CAPPUCCINO TIME."
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- THEY HAD A CODE WORD WHEN THEY
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- WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE
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- REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VATICAN,
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- PIO LAGHI, SO THERE
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- WAS A WHOLE--
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- - ERIC: "CAPPUCCINO TIME"?
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- - ROBERT: YUP, 'CAUSE THEY
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- DIDN'T WANT ANYONE PICKIN'
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- UP ON THE CODE.
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- - ERIC: HAD HE BEEN A
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- CAPUCHIN MONK?
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- WE DON'T KNOW.
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- [LAUGHTER]
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- ALL RIGHT, SO, ROBERT ORLANDO,
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- YOU HAVE MADE FILMS BEFORE.
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- THIS IS-- WHAT DO WE CALL IT?
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- IS IT A STRAIGHT DOCUMENTARY, OR
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- IS IT A DOCUDRAMA?
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- - ROBERT: I THINK IT'S A
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- DOCUDRAMA IN THAT IT'S--
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- CONVENTIONALLY, IT'S A
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- DOCUMENTARY, BUT I THINK THE WAY
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- IT'S ORGANIZED IN THE
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- STORYTELLING, IT'S MORE ABOUT
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- THE CHARACTER ARCS, WHAT THEY
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- OVERCOME, AND SO IT'S GOT THE
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- FORM OF A NARRATIVE IN A
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- DRAMATIC WAY MORE SO, YEAH.
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- - ERIC: SO REAGAN--
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- IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME
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- AS THAT SURPRISING,
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- GIVEN WHAT I KNOW ABOUT RONALD
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- REAGAN THAT HE SAW HIMSELF AS
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- BEING USED BY GOD IN HISTORY AND
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- THAT HE WOULD SEE THINGS THIS
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- WAY, AND I THINK IT IS THE CASE
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- THAT THAT HAPPENED.
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- WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
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- BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG THING WHEN
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- A PLAYER ON THE INTERNATIONAL
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- STAGE, ON THIS LEVEL,
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- SEES HIMSELF AS A TOOL
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- IN GOD'S HAND FOR GOD'S
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- PURPOSES IN HISTORY.
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- - ROBERT: SO THE ONE ANGLE--
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- AND PAUL RECOGNIZES IMMEDIATELY
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- IS THAT, BECAUSE I CROSS IN
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- BETWEEN THE BETWEEN --
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- - ERIC: BUT WHEN YOU SAY,
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- "PAUL," YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
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- PAUL--
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- - ROBERT: PAUL KENGOR.
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- - ERIC: -- KENGOR, YOUR
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- COAUTHOR-- YEAH.
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- - ROBERT: IT WAS SOMETHING HE
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- RECOGNIZED, KNOWING ALL THE
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- LITERATURE, KNOWING ALL THE
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- BOOKS, THAT I WAS COMING AT IT
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- AS A FILMMAKER CROSSING INTO
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- THIS WORLD.
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- SO I ALSO RECOGNIZED IMMEDIATELY
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- THEY WERE BOTH FORMER ACTORS,
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- AND BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH
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- FORMER ACTORS--
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- - ERIC: YOU KNOW SOMETHING?
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- I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.
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- EXPLAIN THAT TO MY AUDIENCE
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- 'CAUSE MOST PEOPLE--
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- THEY'RE YOUNG PEOPLE LISTENING.
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- THEY NEVER HEARD
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- OF J.P. II.
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- THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO
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- RONALD REAGAN IS.
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- THEY SAY, "THAT'S
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- BEFORE MY TIME.
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- WHO'S THAT AGAIN?"
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- TELL US, WHEN YOU SAY, "THEY'RE
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- BOTH ACTORS,"
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- THIS INCREDIBLE PRESIDENT,
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- THIS EXTRAORDINARY POPE,
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- TELL US ABOUT THIS.
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- - ROBERT: SO, TO ME, THAT SAYS
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- IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO OPERATES
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- IN THE FILM INDUSTRY AND KNOWS
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- WHAT IT TAKES TO DO 80 FILMS OR
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- DO THEATER IN FRONT OF PEOPLE,
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- ESPECIALLY UNDER THE OPPRESSION
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- YOU LEARN HOW EFFECTIVE YOU
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- COULD BE IN THE MOMENT, AND
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- PRESENCE, ARTICULATION, AND IT
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- ALSO JUST FORMS YOUR WAY OF
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- LOOKING AT THE WORLD, BUT DRAMA
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- COULD ALSO SERVE AS A WAY OF
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- FINDING MEANING, AND IN THEIR
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- CASE WITH THEIR FAITH BECAUSE
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- THEY KNEW THAT THEY NEEDED
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- TO HAVE FAITH IN ACTION
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- AND TAKE STEPS.
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- IT ALMOST BECOMES A METAPHOR
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- FOR A LARGER THING.
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- SO I CAME UP WITH A
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- TAGLINE RIGHT AWAY.
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- I SAID, "TWO ACTORS WHO NEVER
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- GET THEIR GREATEST ROLE UNTIL
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- THEY STEP ONTO THE WORLD STAGE,"
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- AND THAT WAS KIND OF
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- THE ANGLE IN.
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- - ERIC: BUT TELL MY AUDIENCE
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- WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW, IF THEY'RE
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- YOUNG, HOW IT IS THAT REAGAN AND
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- WOJTYLA, THE POPE, WERE ACTORS
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- IN THEIR YOUNG DAYS.
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- - ROBERT: WELL, REAGAN WAS A--
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- BEFORE HE LEFT ILLINOIS,
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- WENT OUT TO CALIFORNIA
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- TO BECOME AN ACTOR
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- AND WAS AT LEAST
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- A "B" LEVEL.
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- SOME WILL ARGUE AN "A" LEVEL,
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- BUT HE DID, I THINK,
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- OVER 80 FILMS.
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- - ERIC: BUT HE MADE 80 FILMS?
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- - ROBERT: EIGHTY FILMS.
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- HE ALSO WROTE SCRIPTS, AND HE
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- ALSO WAS THE HEAD OF A
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- PRODUCTION COMPANY FOR A WHILE,
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- SO HE WAS WELL-TRAINED.
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- HE WAS THE JIMMY STEWART--
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- - ERIC: I JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE
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- I KNOW-- I MEAN, OF COURSE,
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- I KNOW THIS.
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- WE'RE ABOUT THE SAME AGE, BUT
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- THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE
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- THAT DON'T REALIZE RONALD REAGAN
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- WAS FAMOUS, INCREDIBLY FAMOUS IN
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- AMERICA AS AN ACTOR.
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- HE WAS FAMOUS AS AN ACTOR, AND I
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- REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS
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- RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, AND WHEN
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- HE WAS PRESIDENT, HOW PEOPLE WHO
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- DIDN'T LIKE HIM WOULD JUST
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- MAKE FUN OF HIM.
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- IT'S LIKE, "AH, HE'S JUST A
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- WASHED-UP ACTOR,"
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- "ACTORS DON'T BECOME
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- PRESIDENTS,"
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- YOU KNOW,
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- "WHAT'LL HAPPEN NEXT?
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- LIKE, A REALITY TV WILL BE
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- INVENTED, AND ONE OF THOSE GUYS
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- WILL BECOME A PRESIDENT?
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- NO, WE DON'T GO FOR THAT."
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- SO HE WAS FAMOUS FOR BEING AN
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- ACTOR, AND HE WAS MOCKED, BUT
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- TELL US ABOUT JOHN PAUL II,
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- "THE GREAT" JOHN PAUL II,
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- ABOUT HOW IT IS THAT
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- HE WAS AN ACTOR.
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- - ROBERT: SO IN ORDER TO
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- APPRECIATE JOHN PAUL II,
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- BEING AN ACTOR,
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- YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
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- HIS CONTEXT.
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- SO HE'S GROWING UP, LOT OF
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- SUFFERING UNDER NAZI GERMANY,
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- AND 20%, I BELIEVE, OF POLISH
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- PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE WAR,
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- MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, SO THERE
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- WAS NOWHERE TO SPEAK, THERE WAS
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- NOWHERE TO ORGANIZE, THERE WAS
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- NO WAY TO CONNECT, SO WHAT HE
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- DID IS HE TOOK THE UNDERGROUND
- 00:06:32.280 --> 00:06:34.050
- THEATER IN POLAND AND USED
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- THEMES AND MESSAGES OF POLISH
- 00:06:34.250 --> 00:06:36.150
- PRIDE AND CHRISTIAN THEMES FROM
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- THE OLD TESTAMENT AND
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- NEW TESTAMENT 'CAUSE HE WANTED
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- TO KEEP INFORMING HIS
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- PEOPLE AND GIVING
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- THEM HOPE.
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- THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT,
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- AND IT WENT ON BEYOND THAT
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- BECAUSE THEN, AFTER THE NAZIS
- 00:06:44.220 --> 00:06:45.250
- MOVED OUT, THE NICE COMMUNISTS
- 00:06:45.250 --> 00:06:47.040
- CAME IN AND DID THE SAME THING
- 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:48.210
- THE NAZIS WERE DOING.
- 00:06:48.210 --> 00:06:49.140
- SO, FOR HIM, THEATER BECAME A
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- WAY OF EXPRESSING SOMETHING, AND
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- I THINK IT WAS HIS SECOND BOOK,
- 00:06:52.170 --> 00:06:54.140
- HE WROTE "THEOLOGY OF THE BODY."
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- THE SECOND ONE WAS "THE ACTING
- 00:06:56.050 --> 00:06:57.170
- PERSON," BUT IT'S A DOUBLE
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- ENTENDRE ABOUT ACTING, AND LIFE,
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- AND FINDING YOUR FAITH, BUT
- 00:07:01.190 --> 00:07:03.070
- ALSO, HOW COULD HE NOT BE AWARE
- 00:07:03.070 --> 00:07:05.050
- OF BEING AN ACTOR LIKE THAT?
- 00:07:05.050 --> 00:07:05.250
- BUT HE WAS KNOWN AS THE ONE OR
- 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:07.040
- TWO TOP ACTORS IN HIS TIME.
- 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:08.200
- - ERIC: WHAT?
- 00:07:08.200 --> 00:07:10.160
- - ROBERT: YES.
- 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:11.040
- - ERIC: I NEVER HEARD THAT.
- 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:11.240
- - ROBERT: YES.
- 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.260
- - ERIC: SO HE'S A PLAYWRIGHT,
- 00:07:13.260 --> 00:07:14.170
- HE'S AN ACTOR, AND THEN TO
- 00:07:14.170 --> 00:07:15.060
- BURNISH HIS RESUME, HE BECOMES
- 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:15.290
- POPE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
- 00:07:15.290 --> 00:07:18.220
- IT'S PRETTY--
- 00:07:18.220 --> 00:07:19.250
- IT'S AN AMAZING STORY.
- 00:07:19.250 --> 00:07:21.040
- - ROBERT: IT'S AN AMAZING
- 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:21.240
- STORY.
- 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.020
- YOU CAN'T MAKE IT UP.
- 00:07:23.020 --> 00:07:23.290
- - ERIC: ARE YOU CATHOLIC?
- 00:07:23.290 --> 00:07:24.180
- WERE YOU RAISED CATHOLIC?
- 00:07:24.180 --> 00:07:25.070
- - ROBERT: I'M A "REVERT."
- 00:07:25.070 --> 00:07:26.180
- - ERIC: WHAT IS THAT?
- 00:07:26.180 --> 00:07:28.010
- - ROBERT: I WAS CATHOLIC,
- 00:07:28.010 --> 00:07:28.200
- AND I WAS EVANGELICAL AND
- 00:07:28.200 --> 00:07:29.220
- PRESBYTERIAN, AND THEN I
- 00:07:29.220 --> 00:07:31.090
- BECAME CATHOLIC AGAIN.
- 00:07:31.090 --> 00:07:31.260
- - ERIC: AND YOU SWAM BACK
- 00:07:31.260 --> 00:07:33.130
- ACROSS THE TIBER?
- 00:07:33.130 --> 00:07:34.100
- - ROBERT: I DID.
- 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:34.250
- - ERIC: OKAY, SO YOU HAVE A
- 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:35.150
- PARTICULAR RESPECT, BUT WHEN YOU
- 00:07:35.150 --> 00:07:36.070
- TELL ME THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, HE
- 00:07:36.070 --> 00:07:37.190
- WAS A PLAYWRIGHT, HE'S BEING
- 00:07:37.190 --> 00:07:38.200
- SUBVERSIVE UNDER THE NAZIS, THEN
- 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:39.260
- UNDER THE COMMUNISTS, USING
- 00:07:39.260 --> 00:07:41.050
- THEATER, I MEAN, THIS IS A
- 00:07:41.210 --> 00:07:44.210
- PRETTY AMAZING HUMAN BEING.
- 00:07:44.210 --> 00:07:45.290
- - ROBERT: MM-HMM, YEAH, WHEN HE
- 00:07:45.290 --> 00:07:47.020
- WAS AT HIS PEAK OF POPULARITY OR
- 00:07:47.020 --> 00:07:48.210
- I ACTUALLY WASN'T FOLLOWING HIM.
- 00:07:54.220 --> 00:07:55.140
- I DIDN'T.
- 00:07:55.140 --> 00:07:56.080
- I APPRECIATE-- I KNEW RESPECT.
- 00:07:56.080 --> 00:07:56.290
- HE'S A GREAT MAN, AND, OF
- 00:07:56.290 --> 00:07:57.180
- COURSE, BEING AROUND CATHOLICS,
- 00:07:57.180 --> 00:07:58.100
- BUT THE TRUTH WAS, WHEN I GOT
- 00:07:58.100 --> 00:07:59.060
- I SAW HIM AS A TRANSFORMATIONAL
- 00:08:02.260 --> 00:08:03.180
- FIGURE.
- 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:04.000
- I NEVER SAW THAT THE FIRST TIME
- 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:05.030
- AROUND, AND I DO THINK OF LUTHER
- 00:08:05.030 --> 00:08:05.250
- AND THE APOSTLE PAUL.
- 00:08:05.250 --> 00:08:08.030
- THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO TO
- 00:08:08.030 --> 00:08:08.250
- START THINKING ABOUT
- 00:08:08.250 --> 00:08:09.110
- HIS INFLUENCE.
- 00:08:09.110 --> 00:08:09.250
- - ERIC: YEAH, HOW BIG THE
- 00:08:09.250 --> 00:08:10.140
- INFLUENCE WAS, RIGHT.
- 00:08:10.140 --> 00:08:11.010
- - ROBERT: 'CAUSE HE'S
- 00:08:11.010 --> 00:08:11.230
- TRANSFORMING WHAT THE
- 00:08:11.230 --> 00:08:12.240
- TRADITIONAL MESSAGE IS, BUT HE'S
- 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.050
- MAKING IT EFFECTIVE AGAIN FOR
- 00:08:14.050 --> 00:08:15.120
- HIS TIME, AND THAT'S A RARITY,
- 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.160
- WHAT I JUST SAID.
- 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.100
- - ERIC: WELL, THERE'S
- 00:08:18.100 --> 00:08:19.200
- NO QUESTION.
- 00:08:19.200 --> 00:08:20.220
- IT'S A TRANSFORMATIONAL MOMENT.
- 00:08:20.220 --> 00:08:22.290
- IT'S AN EPOCHAL MOMENT
- 00:08:22.290 --> 00:08:24.180
- IN HISTORY.
- 00:08:24.180 --> 00:08:26.220
- I GUESS-- TELL US A LITTLE BIT--
- 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:28.280
- AGAIN, FOR FOLKS THAT ARE TOO
- 00:08:28.280 --> 00:08:30.090
- YOUNG TO KNOW ABOUT THE
- 00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:32.270
- SOLIDARITY MOVEMENT AND POLAND
- 00:08:32.270 --> 00:08:34.140
- BECAUSE THIS WAS-- HE WAS A VERY
- 00:08:34.140 --> 00:08:36.180
- CANNY PLAYER ON THE WORLD STAGE.
- 00:08:36.180 --> 00:08:38.080
- HE WASN'T JUST A POPE.
- 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:38.250
- HE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE HAD
- 00:08:38.260 --> 00:08:41.260
- THE ABILITY TO SHAPE THE
- 00:08:41.260 --> 00:08:42.200
- FATE OF NATIONS,
- 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:43.290
- INCLUDING HIS OWN POLAND.
- 00:08:43.290 --> 00:08:46.010
- - ROBERT: WELL, LET'S NOT
- 00:08:46.010 --> 00:08:46.220
- FORGET, THE ITALIANS CHOSE A
- 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:48.170
- POLISH POPE OUT OF AN
- 00:08:48.170 --> 00:08:51.070
- EASTERN BLOC COUNTRY, SO THEY
- 00:08:51.070 --> 00:08:52.080
- WERE REALLY WISE IN WHAT THEY
- 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:53.170
- DID 'CAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE
- 00:08:53.170 --> 00:08:54.160
- GEOPOLITICAL FACTORS GOING ON.
- 00:08:54.160 --> 00:08:56.070
- THERE WAS ALSO-- THERE'S A
- 00:08:56.070 --> 00:08:58.000
- TRIANGULATION AT THE TIME, IF
- 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.140
- YOU GET INTO THE POLITICS AND
- 00:08:59.140 --> 00:09:00.260
- WANT TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE
- 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:02.170
- BIT MORE IN THE NON-FAITH SENSE,
- 00:09:02.170 --> 00:09:03.280
- BUT ALSO THE POPE HAS TO DEAL
- 00:09:03.280 --> 00:09:06.020
- WITH A LOT OF BISHOPS THAT ARE
- 00:09:06.020 --> 00:09:07.190
- IN SOUTH AMERICA THAT ARE
- 00:09:07.190 --> 00:09:08.080
- CREATING WITH THE MARXISTS
- 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.060
- JOINING AGAIN THE REVOLUTIONS IN
- 00:09:09.060 --> 00:09:10.120
- THE SOUTH THAT REAGAN HAS TO
- 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:11.160
- DEAL WITH.
- 00:09:11.160 --> 00:09:13.210
- SO THERE'S A TRIANGULATION HERE
- 00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:14.260
- BECAUSE THE POPE ALSO BECOMES
- 00:09:14.260 --> 00:09:15.170
- INFLUENTIAL FOR THE
- 00:09:15.170 --> 00:09:16.030
- UNITED STATES TO KIND OF
- 00:09:16.030 --> 00:09:17.090
- KEEP DOWN THE MORE RADICAL
- 00:09:17.090 --> 00:09:18.190
- BISHOPS IN SOUTH AMERICA.
- 00:09:18.190 --> 00:09:20.040
- SO THERE'S-- WE CAN GO ON AND ON
- 00:09:20.040 --> 00:09:21.110
- ABOUT THIS BUT-- SO YOU CAN'T
- 00:09:21.110 --> 00:09:22.280
- THINK OF-- LIKE YOU SAID
- 00:09:22.280 --> 00:09:24.140
- EARLIER, THIS IS A TIME WHEN
- 00:09:24.140 --> 00:09:25.240
- GIANTS WALKED THE EARTH, AND
- 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.010
- THEN YOU HAVE THATCHER AND
- 00:09:27.010 --> 00:09:28.110
- GORBACHEV, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S
- 00:09:28.110 --> 00:09:29.090
- LIKE ACME CASTING.
- 00:09:29.090 --> 00:09:31.100
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:09:31.100 --> 00:09:31.260
- - ERIC: WELL, GORBACHEV IS THE
- 00:09:31.260 --> 00:09:32.180
- ONLY ONE WHO'S STILL LIVING.
- 00:09:32.180 --> 00:09:34.030
- BUT, YES, IT IS EXTRAORDINARY.
- 00:09:34.030 --> 00:09:36.110
- OKAY, SO THE FILM IS OUT
- 00:09:36.110 --> 00:09:38.070
- IT'S ONE OF THESE CLASSIC
- 00:09:43.190 --> 00:09:44.200
- ONE-NIGHT ONLY.
- 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:45.120
- SO WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, IT'S A
- 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.040
- WEDNESDAY COMIN' UP REAL SOON,
- 00:09:46.040 --> 00:09:47.000
- NOVEMBER 6TH.
- 00:09:47.020 --> 00:09:50.020
- IT'S GONNA BE IN THEATERS
- 00:09:50.020 --> 00:09:51.100
- AND THE TITLE OF THE MOVIE IS
- 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:54.110
- THE SAME AS THE BOOK?
- 00:09:54.110 --> 00:09:54.280
- - ROBERT: YES.
- 00:09:54.280 --> 00:09:55.120
- - ERIC: "THE DIVINE PLAN."
- 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.220
- ALL RIGHT, FOLKS,
- 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:58.030
- DON'T GO AWAY.
- 00:09:58.030 --> 00:09:58.220
- - PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN: YOU
- 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:04.220
- AND I HAVE A RENDEZVOUS
- 00:10:04.220 --> 00:10:05.230
- WITH DESTINY.
- 00:10:05.230 --> 00:10:06.260
- WE'LL PRESERVE FOR OUR CHILDREN
- 00:10:06.260 --> 00:10:09.010
- THIS, THE LAST BEST HOPE OF MAN
- 00:10:09.010 --> 00:10:10.290
- ON EARTH, OR WE'LL SENTENCE THEM
- 00:10:10.290 --> 00:10:12.180
- TO TAKE THE LAST STEP INTO A
- 00:10:12.180 --> 00:10:14.050
- THOUSAND YEARS OF DARKNESS.
- 00:10:14.050 --> 00:10:16.100
- - CRAIG SHIRLEY: POPE JOHN
- 00:10:16.100 --> 00:10:17.040
- PAUL II IS A DAGGER AIMED
- 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:18.180
- RIGHT AT THE THROAT OF
- 00:10:18.180 --> 00:10:19.260
- THE SOVIET UNION.
- 00:10:19.260 --> 00:10:21.030
- [BANG]
- 00:10:22.220 --> 00:10:25.220
- - MALE ANNOUNCER: A
- 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:26.080
- DESPERATE TIME.
- 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.130
- - H.W. BRANDS: OTHER AMERICAN
- 00:10:28.130 --> 00:10:29.040
- PRESIDENTS TRIED TO FIGURE OUT
- 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:30.050
- HOW TO MANAGE THE COLD WAR.
- 00:10:30.050 --> 00:10:31.180
- REAGAN WANTED TO WIN THE
- 00:10:31.180 --> 00:10:32.130
- COLD WAR.
- 00:10:32.130 --> 00:10:34.050
- - ANNOUNCER: A WORLD DIVIDED
- 00:10:34.050 --> 00:10:35.170
- BY SUPERPOWERS.
- 00:10:35.170 --> 00:10:37.250
- - PRESIDENT REAGAN: WHEN A
- 00:10:37.250 --> 00:10:39.130
- GOVERNMENT ABUSES THE RIGHTS OF
- 00:10:39.130 --> 00:10:41.060
- ITS OWN PEOPLE, IT IS A GRIM
- 00:10:41.060 --> 00:10:42.230
- INDICATION OF ITS WILLINGNESS TO
- 00:10:42.230 --> 00:10:45.080
- COMMIT VIOLENCE AGAINST OTHERS.
- 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.070
- - PAUL KENGOR: THE REAL BIG
- 00:10:47.070 --> 00:10:48.240
- BATTLE OF THE 20TH CENTURY WAS
- 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.040
- BETWEEN THE FORCES OF GOOD
- 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:53.010
- VERSUS THE FORCES OF EVIL.
- 00:10:53.130 --> 00:10:56.130
- - ANNOUNCER: TWO BOYS RAISED
- 00:10:56.130 --> 00:10:57.110
- DURING VIOLENT TIMES,
- 00:10:57.150 --> 00:11:00.170
- WHO WOULD BECOME A PRESIDENT
- 00:11:00.170 --> 00:11:02.260
- AND A POPE.
- 00:11:06.090 --> 00:11:09.090
- [MUSIC]
- 00:11:11.020 --> 00:11:14.020
- [MUSIC]
- 00:11:14.020 --> 00:11:16.250
- - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, IT'S
- 00:11:16.250 --> 00:11:17.140
- "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
- 00:11:17.140 --> 00:11:18.040
- YOU CAN TELL BY THE
- 00:11:18.040 --> 00:11:18.270
- BUMPER MUSIC.
- 00:11:18.270 --> 00:11:19.280
- OKAY, LISTEN, ROBERT ORLANDO,
- 00:11:19.280 --> 00:11:21.080
- YOU GREW UP IN NEW YORK CITY.
- 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:22.230
- WHEN DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU
- 00:11:24.230 --> 00:11:27.230
- WANTED TO BECOME A FILMMAKER?
- 00:11:27.230 --> 00:11:29.110
- - ROBERT: I GOT IT-- WELL, WHEN
- 00:11:29.110 --> 00:11:30.030
- I WAS A KID, LIKE, EIGHT, NINE,
- 00:11:30.030 --> 00:11:31.040
- TEN YEARS OLD, I WAS MAKIN'
- 00:11:31.040 --> 00:11:31.250
- FILMS WITH MY FRIENDS.
- 00:11:31.250 --> 00:11:32.260
- - ERIC: WHOA.
- 00:11:32.260 --> 00:11:33.100
- - ROBERT: SO, YEAH, JUST
- 00:11:33.100 --> 00:11:33.290
- SCRATCHING-- GETTING THE, YOU
- 00:11:33.290 --> 00:11:34.210
- THE 8, SUPER 8, AND SCRATCHING,
- 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:39.080
- LIKE, THE MAGICAL, YOU KNOW, THE
- 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:40.000
- TWO WIZARDS WOULD BE FIGHTING IT
- 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.030
- OUT, AND YOU'D SCRATCH OUT SO
- 00:11:41.030 --> 00:11:43.010
- THE-- I'D PUT MY FINGERS OUT,
- 00:11:43.010 --> 00:11:44.200
- - ERIC: ARE YOU SERIOUS?
- 00:11:47.130 --> 00:11:48.040
- - ROBERT: SO, YEAH, SO WE DID
- 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:48.270
- THAT, AND THEN, LATER, AFTER I
- 00:11:48.270 --> 00:11:49.270
- GRADUATED, I HAD KIND OF A
- 00:11:49.270 --> 00:11:50.270
- COUPLE OF YEARS IN A GLORIFIED
- 00:11:50.270 --> 00:11:51.250
- HIGH SCHOOL IN COLLEGE, IF YOU
- 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:53.230
- KNOW WHAT I MEAN, WHERE I WAS
- 00:11:53.230 --> 00:11:55.050
- JUST, KIND OF, HANGIN' AROUND,
- 00:11:55.050 --> 00:11:55.290
- NOT KNOWIN' WHAT I WANTED TO DO,
- 00:11:55.290 --> 00:11:56.230
- BUT IT WAS INTERESTING 'CAUSE,
- 00:11:56.230 --> 00:11:57.230
- AT THE SAME TIME THAT I
- 00:11:57.230 --> 00:11:58.250
- WOULD--IF YOU'RE CATHOLIC,
- 00:11:58.250 --> 00:11:59.290
- YOU'LL SAY, "RENEWAL."
- 00:11:59.290 --> 00:12:01.060
- IF YOU'RE A PROTESTANT,
- 00:12:01.060 --> 00:12:02.080
- YOU MIGHT SAY, "CONVERTED."
- 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:03.010
- BUT AT 17, 18, I FELT LIKE
- 00:12:03.010 --> 00:12:04.060
- I STARTED TO OPEN MYSELF
- 00:12:04.060 --> 00:12:05.140
- UP TO "WHAT IS MY
- 00:12:05.140 --> 00:12:06.150
- SPIRITUAL JOURNEY?
- 00:12:06.150 --> 00:12:07.030
- WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?"
- 00:12:07.030 --> 00:12:07.270
- AND AT THE SAME TIME MY FAITH
- 00:12:07.270 --> 00:12:09.170
- JOURNEY BEGAN, I THINK, OR IT
- 00:12:09.170 --> 00:12:11.200
- WAS AT LEAST LAUNCHED, IN THE
- 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.020
- REAL SENSE, WHAT RETURNED WAS MY
- 00:12:13.020 --> 00:12:15.070
- PASSION FOR FILM AND MY PASSION
- 00:12:15.070 --> 00:12:16.280
- FOR LEARNING, AND MULTIMEDIA
- 00:12:16.280 --> 00:12:18.170
- THINGS, WHATEVER, AND I ALWAYS
- 00:12:18.170 --> 00:12:19.230
- FELT LIKE THAT WAS MY CALLING,
- 00:12:19.230 --> 00:12:21.110
- FROM THEN FORWARD, AND SO FAR,
- 00:12:21.110 --> 00:12:22.260
- SO GOOD.
- 00:12:22.260 --> 00:12:23.280
- - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY, "SO
- 00:12:23.280 --> 00:12:25.030
- FAR, SO GOOD," BECAUSE YOU JUST
- 00:12:25.030 --> 00:12:25.250
- DIRECTED A GREAT MOVIE.
- 00:12:25.250 --> 00:12:26.160
- IT'S GONNA BE IN THEATERS
- 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:27.270
- NOVEMBER 6TH, ONLY, FOLKS.
- 00:12:27.270 --> 00:12:29.210
- NOVEMBER 6TH IS THE DATE ON THE
- 00:12:29.210 --> 00:12:31.030
- CALENDAR, SO YOU NEED TO MARK IT
- 00:12:31.030 --> 00:12:32.160
- DOWN.
- 00:12:32.160 --> 00:12:33.220
- IT'S CALLED "THE DIVINE PLAN."
- 00:12:33.220 --> 00:12:34.290
- YOU SAID IT'S A DOCUDRAMA.
- 00:12:34.290 --> 00:12:35.240
- SO I WAS JOKING BEFORE, "WHO
- 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.010
- PLAYS REAGAN?"
- 00:12:37.010 --> 00:12:37.220
- REAGAN PLAYS REAGAN.
- 00:12:37.220 --> 00:12:39.100
- THERE'S-- REAGAN IS IN THE FILM,
- 00:12:39.100 --> 00:12:40.200
- JOHN PAUL II IS IN THE FILM, AND
- 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.040
- YOU HAVE SOME REENACTMENTS, BUT
- 00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:42.260
- YOU DON'T REALLY--
- 00:12:42.260 --> 00:12:43.260
- - ROBERT: WELL, I THOUGHT
- 00:12:43.260 --> 00:12:45.020
- BECAUSE I WAS GOING AFTER THE
- 00:12:45.020 --> 00:12:46.140
- YOUNG AUDIENCE, ESPECIALLY THE
- 00:12:46.140 --> 00:12:47.240
- MILLENNIALS WHO DON'T KNOW
- 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.120
- ANYTHING ABOUT THE '80s--AND
- 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:50.110
- THAT'S PRETTY SCARY.
- 00:12:50.110 --> 00:12:50.290
- THAT'S ONLY 30 YEARS AGO.
- 00:12:50.290 --> 00:12:51.230
- WHEN I DID THE SCREENING, DOWN
- 00:12:51.230 --> 00:12:53.010
- IN FLORIDA, I SAID TO THE
- 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.220
- AUDIENCE-- IT WAS JUNE 6TH.
- 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:57.190
- I SAID, "I THINK, IN A WAY, THIS
- 00:12:57.190 --> 00:12:59.050
- IS OUR D-DAY, IN THE SAME WAY,
- 00:12:59.050 --> 00:13:00.090
- GROWING UP, WE WOULD THINK
- 00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:01.230
- ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BOYS
- 00:13:01.230 --> 00:13:02.240
- HITTING THE BEACH IN NORMANDY,
- 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.190
- BUT THIS COULD BE OUR D-DAY
- 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:05.160
- BECAUSE IT ENDED WITHOUT THE
- 00:13:05.160 --> 00:13:06.150
- WORLD WAR, BUT, ACTUALLY, THE
- 00:13:06.150 --> 00:13:07.160
- SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS WAS THE
- 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:08.200
- TURNING POINT FOR MODERN
- 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:09.090
- HISTORY.
- 00:13:09.090 --> 00:13:10.220
- BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE
- 00:13:10.220 --> 00:13:12.030
- GETTING THAT, SO TWO THOUGHTS
- 00:13:12.030 --> 00:13:13.050
- CAME TO MIND: ONE WAS, IF YOU'RE
- 00:13:13.050 --> 00:13:14.080
- LOOKING AT HOLLYWOOD NOW, THAT'S
- 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.280
- ALL THEY DO IS MAKE SUPERHERO
- 00:13:15.280 --> 00:13:16.190
- FILMS.
- 00:13:16.190 --> 00:13:17.030
- THAT WAS ONE.
- 00:13:17.030 --> 00:13:17.170
- AND NUMBER TWO IS, I THOUGHT, IF
- 00:13:17.170 --> 00:13:18.260
- YOU PRESENT FRESH, NEW MATERIAL,
- 00:13:18.260 --> 00:13:21.030
- BUT YOU PUT AN OLD CAST-- YOU
- 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:21.280
- KNOW, LIKE, IF YOU CAST IT IN AN
- 00:13:21.280 --> 00:13:22.260
- OLD LIGHT, FOR INSTANCE, THE
- 00:13:22.260 --> 00:13:24.210
- TYPICAL STOCK FOOTAGE AND THOSE
- 00:13:24.210 --> 00:13:26.230
- TYPE OF THINGS, SO I ACTUALLY
- 00:13:26.230 --> 00:13:27.200
- FASHIONED THIS AS A GRAPHIC
- 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.120
- NOVEL, A HARD-HITTING GRAPHIC
- 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.060
- NOVEL WITH THEM BEING LIKE
- 00:13:31.060 --> 00:13:32.160
- MYTHICAL FIGURES, KIND OF,
- 00:13:32.160 --> 00:13:34.000
- "BOOM, BAM, BAM," YOU KNOW, THAT
- 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.260
- KIND OF STUFF--
- 00:13:34.260 --> 00:13:36.030
- - ERIC: BUT THEY ARE LIKE
- 00:13:36.030 --> 00:13:36.220
- SUPERHEROES.
- 00:13:36.220 --> 00:13:37.080
- I MEAN, WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP,
- 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.120
- NOBODY BELIEVED THAT THE SOVIET
- 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.200
- UNION COULD GO AWAY.
- 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.100
- I MEAN, WE JUST THOUGHT, LIKE,
- 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:43.110
- IT'S GONNA BE THERE FOREVER.
- 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:44.010
- IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE, YOU KNOW,
- 00:13:44.010 --> 00:13:45.240
- 1917.
- 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.240
- IT'S GONNA BE THERE FOREVER.
- 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:47.160
- - ROBERT: SURE.
- 00:13:47.160 --> 00:13:48.000
- - ERIC: AND IT WENT AWAY
- 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:49.030
- BECAUSE OF THESE TWO MEN WHO YOU
- 00:13:49.030 --> 00:13:50.280
- PUT IN THIS FILM TO TELL THE
- 00:13:50.280 --> 00:13:52.260
- STORY HOW THEY WERE USED.
- 00:13:52.260 --> 00:13:54.190
- IF ONE OF THEM HAD EXISTED AND
- 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:57.180
- THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T, THIS
- 00:13:57.180 --> 00:13:58.200
- WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.
- 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.200
- YOU NEEDED THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO
- 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.040
- WERE SENSITIVE TO HISTORY TO,
- 00:14:02.040 --> 00:14:03.260
- KIND OF, FIGURE OUT "WHAT CAN WE
- 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:05.010
- DO TOGETHER?"
- 00:14:05.010 --> 00:14:06.280
- AND, OF COURSE, MARGARET
- 00:14:06.280 --> 00:14:07.210
- THATCHER IS INVOLVED.
- 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:08.290
- SHE WASN'T AS--
- 00:14:08.290 --> 00:14:11.010
- - ROBERT: TO YOUR POINT THERE,
- 00:14:11.010 --> 00:14:11.240
- I SAID THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT
- 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:12.230
- PEOPLE IF YOU JUST TREAT 'EM IN
- 00:14:12.230 --> 00:14:14.030
- THEIR CONTEXT AND GEOGRAPHY,
- 00:14:14.030 --> 00:14:15.220
- WHERE THEY COME FROM, BUT IF YOU
- 00:14:15.220 --> 00:14:17.190
- GET DOWN TO THEIR CORE MISSION,
- 00:14:17.190 --> 00:14:18.220
- THE IDEA OF HOW THEY EXPERIENCED
- 00:14:18.220 --> 00:14:20.170
- COMMUNISM, BOTH FROM THE
- 00:14:20.170 --> 00:14:21.220
- UNIONS AND--
- 00:14:21.220 --> 00:14:23.020
- - ERIC: THEY BOTH
- 00:14:23.020 --> 00:14:23.230
- HATED COMMUNISM.
- 00:14:23.230 --> 00:14:24.100
- - ROBERT: HATED COMMUNISM, AND
- 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:25.070
- THEY BOTH ALWAYS CONTINUED
- 00:14:25.070 --> 00:14:26.090
- WITH A FAITH.
- 00:14:26.090 --> 00:14:27.060
- AS MUCH AS THEY STRUGGLED AND
- 00:14:27.060 --> 00:14:28.130
- SUFFERED, THERE WAS ALWAYS A
- 00:14:28.130 --> 00:14:29.090
- RETURN TO "THIS IS ALL
- 00:14:29.090 --> 00:14:30.150
- FOR A REASON.
- 00:14:30.150 --> 00:14:31.150
- THIS IS ALL HAPPENING
- 00:14:31.150 --> 00:14:32.040
- FOR A REASON.
- 00:14:32.040 --> 00:14:32.190
- I NEED TO KEEP ACTING AND KEEP
- 00:14:32.190 --> 00:14:33.270
- EXPLORING AND FINDING
- 00:14:33.270 --> 00:14:35.180
- THE DIVINE PLAN."
- 00:14:35.180 --> 00:14:36.250
- SO THOSE THINGS ARE
- 00:14:36.250 --> 00:14:37.290
- VERY COMMON.
- 00:14:37.290 --> 00:14:39.040
- - ERIC: ONE THING THAT I DON'T
- 00:14:39.040 --> 00:14:39.260
- KNOW IF YOU TOUCH ON IT IN THE
- 00:14:39.260 --> 00:14:41.040
- BOOK OR IN THE FILM, "THE
- 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:42.040
- DIVINE PLAN," BUT BOTH OF THESE
- 00:14:42.040 --> 00:14:44.020
- GREAT FIGURES WERE ALMOST
- 00:14:44.020 --> 00:14:46.040
- KILLED.
- 00:14:46.140 --> 00:14:49.140
- THEY WERE SHOT, AND THEY
- 00:14:49.140 --> 00:14:50.090
- SURVIVED.
- 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:52.270
- - ROBERT: WITHIN SIX WEEKS OF
- 00:14:52.270 --> 00:14:53.210
- ONE ANOTHER.
- 00:14:53.210 --> 00:14:54.100
- - ERIC: OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE
- 00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:55.010
- THAT.
- 00:14:55.010 --> 00:14:55.120
- - ROBERT: YES, THAT THE-- IF
- 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.030
- YOU WANNA TALK DRAMATICALLY, THE
- 00:14:57.030 --> 00:14:57.250
- INCITING INCIDENT OF THIS BOOK,
- 00:14:57.250 --> 00:14:59.020
- IN THIS FILM, MARCH 30TH, 1981,
- 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:01.090
- AND MAY 13TH, 1981.
- 00:15:01.090 --> 00:15:02.150
- THEY MEET AT THE VATICAN THE
- 00:15:02.150 --> 00:15:04.150
- NEXT YEAR, IN 1982, AND
- 00:15:04.150 --> 00:15:05.160
- CONFESSED TO EACH OTHER THAT
- 00:15:05.160 --> 00:15:06.230
- THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE BOTH
- 00:15:06.230 --> 00:15:08.110
- SPARED FOR A HIGHER PURPOSE, A
- 00:15:08.110 --> 00:15:10.020
- DIVINE PLAN.
- 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:11.070
- - ERIC: ROBERT, WE GOTTA TALK
- 00:15:11.070 --> 00:15:11.280
- ABOUT THIS.
- 00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:12.180
- I WAS SAYING THAT I'M A VERY
- 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:14.060
- PRO-CATHOLIC, NON-CATHOLIC,
- 00:15:14.060 --> 00:15:15.240
- BECAUSE CHUCK COLSON, HE'S ONE
- 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.140
- OF THE MEN IN MY "7 MEN" BOOK,
- 00:15:17.140 --> 00:15:19.080
- THE OTHER MAN, ONE OF THE OTHER
- 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.130
- MEN, IS JOHN PAUL II, IN MY "7
- 00:15:21.130 --> 00:15:23.030
- MEN" BOOK, AND CHUCK COLSON WAS
- 00:15:23.030 --> 00:15:24.160
- THE ONE WHO MADE ME UNDERSTAND
- 00:15:24.160 --> 00:15:25.240
- THAT, IN THESE SECULAR TIMES,
- 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.120
- THOSE OF US WHO ARE CHRISTIANS
- 00:15:28.170 --> 00:15:31.170
- NEED TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE WORKING
- 00:15:31.170 --> 00:15:34.010
- TOGETHER ON SO MANY THINGS, AND
- 00:15:34.010 --> 00:15:36.000
- THAT STRIKES ME AS A SIGNIFICANT
- 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.020
- COMPONENT OF THIS WORKING
- 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:40.190
- RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RONALD
- 00:15:40.190 --> 00:15:41.200
- REAGAN, WHO WAS A VERY FUZZY
- 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.030
- KIND OF, SORT OF, ALMOST
- 00:15:44.030 --> 00:15:47.030
- EVANGELICAL, AND JOHN PAUL II,
- 00:15:47.030 --> 00:15:48.270
- WHO WAS, AS CATHOLIC, AS THE
- 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:50.280
- POPE HIMSELF--IN FACT, I THINK
- 00:15:50.280 --> 00:15:52.160
- HE WAS THE POPE AND CATHOLIC
- 00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:55.040
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:15:55.040 --> 00:15:55.200
- -- BUT WHAT A COOL CONCEPT.
- 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.090
- - ROBERT: MM-HMM, YEAH, NO, I
- 00:15:57.090 --> 00:15:58.050
- THINK THE COMMON MISSION HERE--
- 00:15:58.050 --> 00:15:59.260
- I SHOULD TAKE A STEP BACK.
- 00:15:59.260 --> 00:16:01.160
- I MADE THIS FILM LARGELY DURING
- 00:16:01.160 --> 00:16:02.250
- THE TRUMP ELECTION, SO, LET'S
- 00:16:02.250 --> 00:16:04.260
- JUST SAY, THERE WAS SOME POISON
- 00:16:04.260 --> 00:16:06.070
- IN THE AIR, YOU THINK?
- 00:16:06.070 --> 00:16:07.110
- LIKE, SOME CYNICISM AND POISON--
- 00:16:07.110 --> 00:16:08.200
- - ERIC: YEAH, I'M SO GLAD
- 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:09.090
- THAT'S GONE AWAY.
- 00:16:09.090 --> 00:16:11.040
- SO I WOULDN'T SAY YOU APPROACH A
- 00:16:13.140 --> 00:16:14.060
- FILM FROM A POINT OF-- YOU'RE
- 00:16:14.060 --> 00:16:14.270
- NOT RATIONALIZING IT, BUT IN
- 00:16:14.270 --> 00:16:16.210
- THE-- LET'S SAY, IT WAS IN THE
- 00:16:16.210 --> 00:16:18.040
- SOUP THAT I WAS, KIND OF, EATING
- 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:19.180
- AT THE TIME, AND I WAS LIKE,
- 00:16:19.180 --> 00:16:21.170
- "WHAT STORY COULD WE TELL THAT
- 00:16:21.170 --> 00:16:23.050
- WOULD KIND OF BYPASS THIS OR
- 00:16:23.050 --> 00:16:23.250
- TRANSCEND THIS LEVEL OF
- 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:24.200
- AND I THOUGHT, "IF YOU CAN'T GET
- 00:16:26.260 --> 00:16:27.280
- BEHIND THIS-- WELL, LET'S START
- 00:16:27.280 --> 00:16:29.030
- JUST AS A HUMAN BEING.
- 00:16:29.030 --> 00:16:30.200
- IF YOU CAN'T GET BEHIND, LIKE
- 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.000
- BRINGING DOWN A WALL WHERE
- 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.040
- PEOPLE ARE AT GUNPOINT, AND THEY
- 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:34.070
- HAVE A HISTORY OF MURDERING 60
- 00:16:34.070 --> 00:16:35.100
- MILLION PEOPLE, IF YOU CAN'T GET
- 00:16:35.100 --> 00:16:36.200
- PAST THAT, HOW ABOUT, JUST,
- 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.040
- LIKE, IN THE MODERN WORLD, LET'S
- 00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:39.110
- FIND COMMON GROUND AS CHRISTIANS
- 00:16:39.110 --> 00:16:40.050
- AND PUT ASIDE THEOLOGICAL,
- 00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:42.000
- DOCTRINAL CONSIDERATION, OR
- 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:42.210
- PERCEPTIONS?
- 00:16:42.260 --> 00:16:45.260
- AND WE'RE ALL AGAINST
- 00:16:45.260 --> 00:16:46.210
- CORRUPTION, AND I GET IT ALL,
- 00:16:46.210 --> 00:16:47.130
- AND START BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE
- 00:16:47.130 --> 00:16:48.170
- IN COMMON IS SO MUCH MORE
- 00:16:48.170 --> 00:16:49.230
- POWERFUL THAN THE FORCES WE'RE
- 00:16:49.230 --> 00:16:50.210
- AGAINST, AND THIS NEEDS TO BE
- 00:16:50.210 --> 00:16:51.140
- SAID.
- 00:16:51.140 --> 00:16:52.180
- - ERIC: WELL SAID.
- 00:16:52.180 --> 00:16:53.040
- AND, LISTEN, AND IF YOU DON'T
- 00:16:53.040 --> 00:16:54.200
- UNDERSTAND 60 MILLION PEOPLE,
- 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:55.260
- THAT'S THE SOVIET UNION, FOLKS,
- 00:16:55.260 --> 00:16:57.030
- AND IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT
- 00:16:57.030 --> 00:16:58.250
- HISTORY, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A
- 00:16:58.250 --> 00:17:00.050
- CHRISTIAN TO THINK THAT THE
- 00:17:00.050 --> 00:17:01.030
- MURDER OF 60 MILLION PEOPLE IS
- 00:17:01.030 --> 00:17:02.110
- EVIL.
- 00:17:02.110 --> 00:17:04.000
- IT IS EVIL.
- 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.080
- I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
- 00:17:05.080 --> 00:17:06.160
- THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A FILMMAKER
- 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.130
- BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A LOT
- 00:17:08.130 --> 00:17:09.200
- OF PEOPLE THAT ARE-- THEY HAVE
- 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.120
- SIMILAR SENSIBILITIES THAT WE
- 00:17:11.120 --> 00:17:14.070
- MIGHT ABOUT GOD OR THE UNIVERSE,
- 00:17:14.070 --> 00:17:16.250
- BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT
- 00:17:16.250 --> 00:17:19.100
- ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS
- 00:17:19.100 --> 00:17:20.240
- TO COMMUNICATE THAT IS THROUGH
- 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:21.280
- FILM, THROUGH MEDIA.
- 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:22.280
- - ROBERT: A STORY.
- 00:17:22.280 --> 00:17:23.190
- - ERIC: I DO IT IN THIS MEDIUM,
- 00:17:23.190 --> 00:17:25.230
- BUT YOU DO IT THROUGH FILM, AND
- 00:17:25.230 --> 00:17:28.110
- YOU'RE A LOVER OF FILM, AND THAT
- 00:17:28.110 --> 00:17:29.290
- DOESN'T JUST MEAN, QUOTE,
- 00:17:29.290 --> 00:17:31.090
- UNQUOTE, CHRISTIAN FILMS, IN
- 00:17:31.090 --> 00:17:32.120
- FACT, PROBABLY MEANS, IN SPITE
- 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:34.010
- OF WHAT PASSES FOR CHRISTIAN
- 00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:37.020
- FILMS TODAY.
- 00:17:37.020 --> 00:17:38.110
- - ROBERT: WELL, DON'T ACTUALLY
- 00:17:38.110 --> 00:17:39.210
- KNOW-- I DON'T BUY INTO THE
- 00:17:39.210 --> 00:17:41.010
- "CHRISTIAN FILM."
- 00:17:41.010 --> 00:17:42.200
- I'M NOT SURE IF I BUY
- 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.210
- THAT WHOLE MONIKER.
- 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:44.220
- - ERIC: I DON'T EITHER.
- 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:45.150
- - ROBERT: SO DO YOU WANT A
- 00:17:45.150 --> 00:17:46.120
- CHRISTIAN PILOT FLYING THE PLANE
- 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:47.240
- OR A GOOD PILOT?
- 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.080
- - ERIC: YOU KNOW WHAT?
- 00:17:49.080 --> 00:17:49.260
- DO YOU KNOW WHO THE ONLY PERSON
- 00:17:49.260 --> 00:17:51.000
- I'VE EVER HEARD SAY THAT BEFORE?
- 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:51.220
- ERIC METAXAS.
- 00:17:51.220 --> 00:17:53.150
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:17:53.150 --> 00:17:54.090
- I'M NOT KIDDING.
- 00:17:54.090 --> 00:17:55.190
- WE THINK SIMILARLY.
- 00:17:55.190 --> 00:17:56.050
- - ROBERT: I GOTTA SAY--
- 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:56.240
- LET ME GET THIS OUT FOR THE--
- 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:57.150
- YOUR NAME, YOU KNOW,
- 00:17:57.150 --> 00:17:58.050
- WAS LIKE A GREEK
- 00:17:58.050 --> 00:17:58.250
- GOD, BY THE WAY.
- 00:17:58.250 --> 00:17:59.250
- IF I'M DOING A FILM ON A GREEK
- 00:17:59.250 --> 00:18:00.200
- GOD, "METAXAS"-- DID YOU MAKE
- 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.030
- THAT UP FOR STAGE?
- 00:18:02.030 --> 00:18:02.210
- - ERIC: NO.
- 00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:03.130
- - ROBERT: THAT'S IMPRESSIVE--
- 00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:04.170
- - ERIC: "METAXA" IS A VERY
- 00:18:04.170 --> 00:18:05.070
- FAMOUS COGNAC.
- 00:18:05.070 --> 00:18:06.080
- IF YOU GET OUT OF THE-- IF YOU
- 00:18:06.080 --> 00:18:07.270
- GET IN THE AIRPORT IN ATHENS,
- 00:18:07.270 --> 00:18:08.260
- YOU SEE "METAXA, METAXA,
- 00:18:08.260 --> 00:18:10.090
- METAXA," EVERYWHERE.
- 00:18:10.090 --> 00:18:11.080
- IT'S KIND OF A FAMOUS NAME IN
- 00:18:11.080 --> 00:18:12.140
- HISTORY.
- 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:13.070
- THE "ERIC" IS BECAUSE MY
- 00:18:13.070 --> 00:18:14.220
- MOTHER'S GERMAN.
- 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:16.090
- MY PARENTS, YOU KNOW, MET HERE
- 00:18:16.090 --> 00:18:17.190
- IN NEW YORK.
- 00:18:17.190 --> 00:18:18.130
- - ROBERT: THERE'S THE LUTHERAN,
- 00:18:18.130 --> 00:18:19.060
- THE LUTHERAN PIECE.
- 00:18:19.060 --> 00:18:20.010
- - ERIC: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:18:20.010 --> 00:18:20.190
- THAT, AND THE BONHOEFFER, YEAH.
- 00:18:20.190 --> 00:18:21.110
- - ROBERT: SO LET ME GO BACK TO
- 00:18:21.110 --> 00:18:22.030
- THE STORY.
- 00:18:22.030 --> 00:18:22.140
- SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WEST,
- 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:23.180
- IN GENERAL, YOU HAVE THE OLD
- 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:25.040
- TESTAMENT STORIES, YOU HAVE "THE
- 00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:25.270
- ILIAD."
- 00:18:25.270 --> 00:18:27.110
- THAT BECOMES "THE AENEID,"
- 00:18:27.110 --> 00:18:28.290
- WHICH IS A REACTION THAT--
- 00:18:28.290 --> 00:18:29.230
- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW,
- 00:18:29.230 --> 00:18:30.120
- BUT LUKE IS SHAPED AFTER
- 00:18:30.120 --> 00:18:31.290
- "THE AENEID," ABOUT THE JOURNEY
- 00:18:31.290 --> 00:18:32.290
- WEST WITH THE FIRES
- 00:18:32.290 --> 00:18:33.200
- AND THE SHIPWRECKS.
- 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.000
- - ERIC: I'VE NEVER HEARD
- 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:36.190
- THAT IN MY LIFE.
- 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:37.050
- - ROBERT: IT'S STORIES
- 00:18:37.050 --> 00:18:37.230
- DEFINE US.
- 00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:38.130
- NOW, WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
- 00:18:38.130 --> 00:18:39.030
- - ERIC: I'M MAKIN' A
- 00:18:39.030 --> 00:18:39.200
- DOCUMENTARY ON THE "ODYSSEY."
- 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:40.110
- - ROBERT: REALLY?
- 00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:40.260
- - ERIC: NO JOKE.
- 00:18:40.260 --> 00:18:41.110
- WE'LL TALK LATER.
- 00:18:41.110 --> 00:18:41.280
- - ROBERT: OKAY.
- 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:42.120
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:18:42.120 --> 00:18:43.050
- - ERIC: TALK LATER.
- 00:18:43.050 --> 00:18:43.210
- - ROBERT: WE'LL TALK LATER.
- 00:18:43.210 --> 00:18:44.110
- - ERIC: YEAH.
- 00:18:44.110 --> 00:18:44.240
- - ROBERT: SO BUT MY POINT IS
- 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:45.170
- THAT, IF YOU THINK THE BEDROCK
- 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:46.080
- OF ALL OUR LIVES IS
- 00:18:46.080 --> 00:18:48.110
- STORYTELLING, ORIGINALLY IT WAS
- 00:18:48.110 --> 00:18:49.160
- ORAL HISTORY.
- 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:50.090
- IT WASN'T EVEN WRITTEN DOWN.
- 00:18:50.090 --> 00:18:51.110
- IT WAS CARRIED ON.
- 00:18:51.110 --> 00:18:52.180
- BUT WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?
- 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:53.240
- BECAUSE, WHEN WE SAY "STORIES,"
- 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:54.280
- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGACY, AND
- 00:18:54.280 --> 00:18:56.080
- I THINK WHAT THE LEFT DOES
- 00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:57.290
- TODAY-- AND I'VE BEEN ON A LOT
- 00:18:57.290 --> 00:18:59.080
- WHAT THE LEFT DOES IS IT
- 00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:02.020
- UNDERMINES YOUR ABILITY TO LEAN
- 00:19:02.020 --> 00:19:02.240
- ON YOUR LEGACY AS BEING
- 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:03.120
- SOMETHING THAT FORTIFIES YOU,
- 00:19:03.120 --> 00:19:04.130
- WHAT YOU CAN BE.
- 00:19:04.130 --> 00:19:05.250
- IT'S ALL IMMORAL, IT'S ALL
- 00:19:05.250 --> 00:19:08.010
- RACIST, IT'S ALL COLONIALISM,
- 00:19:08.010 --> 00:19:08.220
- IT'S ALL-- IF YOU COULD
- 00:19:08.220 --> 00:19:09.100
- UNDERMINE AND MAKE IMMORAL
- 00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:10.060
- YOUR LEGACY.
- 00:19:10.060 --> 00:19:11.120
- SO TELLING STORIES LIKE THAT WAS
- 00:19:11.120 --> 00:19:12.190
- WORTHY OF SACRIFICE TO GO TO
- 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:14.100
- THIS WAS WORTHY OF FIGHTING A
- 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:16.290
- BATTLE AGAINST COMMUNISM.
- 00:19:16.290 --> 00:19:17.230
- THAT'S WHAT REINFORCES IT EVEN
- 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:19.030
- THOUGH YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS
- 00:19:19.030 --> 00:19:19.280
- TRANSFORM--
- 00:19:19.280 --> 00:19:21.070
- - ERIC: WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU
- 00:19:21.070 --> 00:19:21.280
- NEED HEROES.
- 00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:22.180
- - ERIC: AND THAT'S WHY I'M A
- 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:25.120
- FAN OF THIS BOOK AND THIS MOVIE,
- 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:26.040
- "THE DIVINE PLAN," IN THEATERS
- 00:19:26.040 --> 00:19:26.250
- ONLY NOVEMBER 6TH, BECAUSE WE
- 00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:28.070
- NEED HEROES, AND WE KNOW THAT
- 00:19:28.070 --> 00:19:30.090
- WE KNOW THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS.
- 00:19:33.020 --> 00:19:33.240
- THEY'RE SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE
- 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.240
- IF THEY'RE SAVED AT ALL, BUT THE
- 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.050
- FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT I'VE
- 00:19:37.050 --> 00:19:38.020
- WRITTEN A NUMBER OF BOOKS,
- 00:19:38.020 --> 00:19:38.290
- "7 MEN," "7 WOMEN,"
- 00:19:38.290 --> 00:19:39.290
- THAT WE NEED TO CELEBRATE
- 00:19:39.290 --> 00:19:41.220
- THESE HEROES, AND THAT'S
- 00:19:41.220 --> 00:19:43.280
- WHAT YOU DO HERE, AND IT'S
- 00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:45.120
- WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
- 00:19:45.120 --> 00:19:46.070
- WE NEED TO KNOW--
- 00:19:46.070 --> 00:19:46.220
- - ROBERT: BECAUSE, LIKE
- 00:19:46.220 --> 00:19:48.230
- SUPERHEROES, IT'S THE CHARACTER
- 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:49.200
- THAT'S LARGER THAN THE LIFE, SO
- 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.020
- IT'S NOT 'CAUSE NO ONE WILL HOLD
- 00:19:51.020 --> 00:19:52.210
- UP UNDER SCRUTINY, RIGHT?
- 00:19:52.210 --> 00:19:53.220
- NO ONE WILL.
- 00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:54.170
- - ERIC: THAT'S A FACT.
- 00:19:54.170 --> 00:19:55.170
- - ROBERT: YEAH.
- 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:56.040
- - ERIC: BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE
- 00:19:56.040 --> 00:19:57.040
- DUMB ENOUGH TO THINK THAT THEY
- 00:19:57.040 --> 00:19:58.020
- WOULD, AND I'M HERE TO SAY,
- 00:19:58.020 --> 00:19:58.260
- "UH-UH."
- 00:19:58.260 --> 00:19:59.170
- - ROBERT: BUT IT WAS SOCRATES,
- 00:19:59.170 --> 00:20:01.080
- RIGHT?
- 00:20:01.080 --> 00:20:01.250
- "YOU KNOW NOTHING.
- 00:20:01.250 --> 00:20:02.100
- THE START OF ALL WISDOM IS YOU
- 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:04.080
- KNOW NOTHING," BASICALLY.
- 00:20:04.080 --> 00:20:04.270
- SO THE POINT IS, HUMILITY IS THE
- 00:20:04.270 --> 00:20:05.260
- STARTING POINT OF
- 00:20:05.260 --> 00:20:07.170
- "I CAN'T DO IT."
- 00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:08.040
- "I CAN'T KNOW IT" IS WHERE
- 00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:09.010
- THE GREAT JOURNEY BEGINS FOR--
- 00:20:09.010 --> 00:20:10.050
- AND BY THE WAY, THE COMMON
- 00:20:10.050 --> 00:20:11.100
- GROUND FOR ME IS FILMMAKING.
- 00:20:11.100 --> 00:20:12.210
- IT'S STORYTELLING.
- 00:20:12.210 --> 00:20:13.210
- SO THAT'S THE FAIR SPACE OF
- 00:20:13.210 --> 00:20:15.070
- PUBLIC FORUM.
- 00:20:15.070 --> 00:20:16.100
- "I'M GONNA TELL YOU A REALLY
- 00:20:16.100 --> 00:20:17.170
- GREAT STORY.
- 00:20:17.170 --> 00:20:18.140
- TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.
- 00:20:18.140 --> 00:20:20.000
- NOT, 'WHAT'S YOUR POLITICS?'
- 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:20.270
- I DIDN'T WANNA GET INTO THAT.
- 00:20:20.270 --> 00:20:21.180
- I JUST WANNA TELL
- 00:20:21.180 --> 00:20:22.030
- YOU WHAT THIS--
- 00:20:22.030 --> 00:20:22.270
- I WANNA SHOW YOU A STORY."
- 00:20:22.270 --> 00:20:23.160
- "NO, NO, BUT WHERE ARE
- 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:24.030
- YOU COMING FROM ON THEOLOGY?
- 00:20:24.030 --> 00:20:24.230
- ARE YOU, LIKE, AGAINST THIS OR
- 00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:25.140
- FOR THAT?"
- 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.090
- I'M LIKE, "I'M NOT THERE."
- 00:20:26.090 --> 00:20:26.280
- - ERIC: BUT YOU SEE, WHAT
- 00:20:26.280 --> 00:20:28.040
- YOU'RE TALKIN' ABOUT IS CALLED
- 00:20:28.040 --> 00:20:28.290
- "ART."
- 00:20:28.290 --> 00:20:29.250
- - ROBERT: MM-HMM.
- 00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:30.260
- - ERIC: ART IS NOT PROPAGANDA.
- 00:20:30.260 --> 00:20:32.180
- ART IS SOMETHING THAT IS
- 00:20:32.210 --> 00:20:35.210
- UNIVERSAL, AND IT LEADS US TO
- 00:20:35.210 --> 00:20:37.290
- THIS THING THAT WE CALL TRUTH,
- 00:20:37.290 --> 00:20:39.290
- AND I BELIEVE TRUTH IS THE GOD
- 00:20:39.290 --> 00:20:41.010
- OF THE BIBLE, BUT THE POINT IS,
- 00:20:41.010 --> 00:20:42.070
- YOU DON'T NEED TO BELIEVE THAT.
- 00:20:42.070 --> 00:20:43.060
- JUST BELIEVE IN THE STORY AND
- 00:20:43.060 --> 00:20:45.020
- SEE WHERE IT GOES AND WHERE IT
- 00:20:45.020 --> 00:20:46.080
- TAKES YOU, AND I THINK THAT
- 00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:47.130
- THERE ARE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES
- 00:20:47.130 --> 00:20:48.080
- OF THE AISLE-- YOU HAVE LIBERALS
- 00:20:48.080 --> 00:20:49.290
- OFTEN CREATING A KIND OF LIBERAL
- 00:20:49.290 --> 00:20:51.200
- NARRATIVE PROPAGANDA, BUT THEN
- 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.080
- YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT, OR
- 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.000
- CHRISTIANS CREATING SOMETHING
- 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.210
- THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY RISE TO
- 00:20:58.210 --> 00:20:59.180
- THE LEVEL OF "ART-ART."
- 00:20:59.180 --> 00:21:01.070
- IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE A
- 00:21:01.070 --> 00:21:02.210
- PAINT-BY-NUMBERS FILM,
- 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:04.070
- AND THESE THINGS
- 00:21:04.070 --> 00:21:06.120
- HAVE THEIR VALUE,
- 00:21:06.120 --> 00:21:07.220
- BUT THEY'RE NOT ART.
- 00:21:07.220 --> 00:21:08.080
- WE NEED REAL--
- 00:21:08.080 --> 00:21:08.230
- - ROBERT: THEY'RE NOT
- 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:09.100
- UNIVERSAL.
- 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:09.240
- - ERIC: WE NEED REAL ART,
- 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:10.130
- AND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
- 00:21:10.130 --> 00:21:12.010
- ABOUT IS ART.
- 00:21:12.010 --> 00:21:12.170
- - CAN I JUST-- I KNOW WE'RE
- 00:21:12.170 --> 00:21:13.170
- SHORT ON TIME, BUT ROMANS 8,
- 00:21:13.170 --> 00:21:14.070
- PAUL WOULD SAY, RIGHT,
- 00:21:14.070 --> 00:21:15.210
- THAT ALL OF NATURE IS
- 00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:17.200
- GROANING FOR REDEMPTION.
- 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.250
- - ERIC: WAIT A MINUTE,
- 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:19.150
- DO THE CATHOLICS READ
- 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:20.070
- THE BIBLE NOW?
- 00:21:20.070 --> 00:21:20.200
- WHAT HAPPENED?
- 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:21.030
- WHAT HAPPENED?
- 00:21:21.030 --> 00:21:21.160
- COME ON.
- 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:22.090
- - ROBERT: NO, THEY DON'T.
- 00:21:22.090 --> 00:21:22.280
- - ERIC: OKAY, SAY IT AGAIN,
- 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:23.180
- GO AHEAD.
- 00:21:23.180 --> 00:21:23.290
- - ROBERT: ACTUALLY, I'M NOT
- 00:21:23.290 --> 00:21:25.020
- REALLY CATHOLIC.
- 00:21:25.020 --> 00:21:25.160
- NO, NO, I'M JOKING.
- 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:26.050
- - ERIC: I KNOW.
- 00:21:26.050 --> 00:21:26.220
- - ROBERT: ROMANS 8, PAUL SAYS
- 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:27.270
- THAT ALL OF NATURE GROANS,
- 00:21:27.270 --> 00:21:30.110
- WAITING FOR REDEMPTION, SO IT'S
- 00:21:30.110 --> 00:21:31.140
- NOT LIKE WE HAVE, LIKE,
- 00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:32.210
- "THE CHRISTIAN PART
- 00:21:32.210 --> 00:21:33.170
- OF THE WORLD,"
- 00:21:33.170 --> 00:21:34.030
- AND THEN WE HAVE "THE WORLD."
- 00:21:34.030 --> 00:21:35.030
- THIS PURITAN IDEA OF, LIKE,
- 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:36.090
- THERE'S TWO WORLDS IS A PLATONIC
- 00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:37.190
- HANGOVER FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF--
- 00:21:37.190 --> 00:21:39.150
- - ERIC: IT IS NOT BIBLICAL.
- 00:21:39.150 --> 00:21:40.150
- - ROBERT: IT'S NOT BIBLICAL,
- 00:21:40.150 --> 00:21:41.060
- AND IT'S NOT UNIVERSAL, AND IT
- 00:21:41.060 --> 00:21:41.270
- DOESN'T LEND ITSELF THE STORIES
- 00:21:41.270 --> 00:21:43.280
- BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE
- 00:21:43.280 --> 00:21:45.260
- ANTI-BODY, ANTI-JUDGMENT, THEN
- 00:21:45.260 --> 00:21:47.130
- GOING BACK TO, LIKE--
- 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:48.120
- - ERIC: THAT'S THE EASTERN--
- 00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:49.060
- THAT'S EASTERN RELIGION.
- 00:21:49.060 --> 00:21:50.260
- TRUE CHRISTIANITY AND THE
- 00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:52.160
- HEBREW SCRIPTURES ARE PRO-BODY,
- 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.160
- PRO-HUMAN, PRO-INCARNATION.
- 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.030
- - ROBERT: THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA
- 00:21:57.030 --> 00:21:59.030
- OF THE SACRAMENTAL WORLD VIEW.
- 00:21:59.030 --> 00:22:00.100
- - ERIC: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
- 00:22:00.100 --> 00:22:01.040
- - ROBERT: IT'S THE WHOLE
- 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:01.260
- SACRAMENT.
- 00:22:01.260 --> 00:22:02.170
- IT'S THE BREAD AND THE MIRACLE.
- 00:22:02.170 --> 00:22:03.090
- IT'S BOTH.
- 00:22:03.090 --> 00:22:03.250
- IT'S NOT ONE-- SO THE BREAD IS
- 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:04.160
- NOT BAD, MIRACLE GOOD, AND
- 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:05.100
- YOU'RE FOREVER IN THIS
- 00:22:05.100 --> 00:22:06.260
- GNOSTIC-CHASING OF SPIRITUAL
- 00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:07.180
- EXPERIENCES.
- 00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:09.000
- IT'S ABOUT THIS WORLD NOW.
- 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:09.290
- IF YOU COME FROM THAT WORLD
- 00:22:09.290 --> 00:22:11.080
- PERSPECTIVE, YOU WON'T BE
- 00:22:11.080 --> 00:22:12.230
- FIGHTING THIS BINARY CHALLENGE
- 00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:13.150
- ALL THE TIME.
- 00:22:13.150 --> 00:22:15.090
- - ERIC: IF YOU READ THE PART ON
- 00:22:15.090 --> 00:22:16.140
- COMMUNION, TRANSUBSTANTIATION,
- 00:22:16.260 --> 00:22:19.260
- IN MY "LUTHER" BOOK, I THINK
- 00:22:19.260 --> 00:22:20.270
- IT'LL BLOW YOUR MIND 'CAUSE IT
- 00:22:20.270 --> 00:22:21.220
- GOT ME THINKING ABOUT
- 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:22.290
- THIS STUFF.
- 00:22:22.290 --> 00:22:23.140
- IT WAS SO FASCINATING TO BEGIN
- 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:25.050
- TO UNDERSTAND WHY LUTHER
- 00:22:25.080 --> 00:22:28.080
- REJECTED ARISTOTLE AND THE
- 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:29.130
- GREEKS BECAUSE, IN A WAY, HE
- 00:22:29.130 --> 00:22:30.260
- THOUGHT THAT THE CHURCH, THE
- 00:22:30.260 --> 00:22:32.170
- CATHOLIC CHURCH, WAS LEANING
- 00:22:32.170 --> 00:22:35.090
- TOWARD THAT KIND OF AN EASTERN
- 00:22:35.090 --> 00:22:36.060
- DUALISM.
- 00:22:36.060 --> 00:22:36.280
- ANYWAY, IT--
- 00:22:36.280 --> 00:22:38.270
- - ROBERT: WHAT WAS PAUL DOING?
- 00:22:38.270 --> 00:22:39.270
- BUT IF LUTHER IS AN ARCHETYPE OF
- 00:22:39.270 --> 00:22:41.180
- PAUL, WHAT IS PAUL DOING?
- 00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:43.010
- HE BELIEVES THAT THEY'VE GONE
- 00:22:43.010 --> 00:22:44.100
- TOO FAR TO-- THEY'RE HARDENED IN
- 00:22:44.100 --> 00:22:46.160
- THE LAW, THEY'RE HARDENED--
- 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:47.060
- - ERIC: BINGO.
- 00:22:47.060 --> 00:22:47.210
- - ROBERT: -- AND THE POWER
- 00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:48.140
- HE IS JUST AN ARCHETYPE THAT
- 00:22:51.020 --> 00:22:51.220
- REPEAT-- AND, BY THE WAY,
- 00:22:51.220 --> 00:22:52.110
- KEEPS GOING.
- 00:22:52.110 --> 00:22:52.290
- KARL BARTH, IN THE 19TH CENTURY,
- 00:22:53.080 --> 00:22:56.080
- THROUGH TRANSCENDENCY.
- 00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:57.070
- THEY'RE ALL ARGUING AGAINST THE
- 00:22:57.070 --> 00:22:57.290
- EXACT THING WE ARE
- 00:22:57.290 --> 00:22:58.140
- - ERIC: HEY, ALBIN, HE'S NOT
- 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.110
- STUPID.
- 00:23:00.110 --> 00:23:00.220
- IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SAY.
- 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:01.140
- HE'S SMART.
- 00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:02.010
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:23:02.010 --> 00:23:03.020
- HE CAN DO THINGS-- OY.
- 00:23:03.020 --> 00:23:04.030
- - ROBERT: I COULD-- "I WAS
- 00:23:04.030 --> 00:23:04.230
- STEPPED OVER."
- 00:23:04.230 --> 00:23:05.060
- - ERIC: OH, MY GOSH, NOW THERE
- 00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:05.280
- ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET
- 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:08.080
- THAT REFERENCE.
- 00:23:08.080 --> 00:23:08.240
- THAT'S A "THE GODFATHER"-- IT'S
- 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.160
- SO CLASSIC.
- 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:10.070
- IT'S SO MYTHIC, IT'S AMAZING.
- 00:23:10.070 --> 00:23:10.290
- [ROBERT IMITATING VITO CORLEONE]
- 00:23:10.290 --> 00:23:11.280
- - ROBERT: "WHAT'D I EVER DO TO
- 00:23:11.280 --> 00:23:12.240
- MAKE YOU TREAT ME SO
- 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.100
- DISRESPECTFULLY?"
- 00:23:13.100 --> 00:23:14.030
- - ERIC: OOH.
- 00:23:14.030 --> 00:23:14.170
- [ROBERT IMITATING VITO CORLEONE]
- 00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:15.090
- - ROBERT: "IF YOU WOULD'VE
- 00:23:15.090 --> 00:23:16.080
- INVITED ME ON YOUR SHOW, THEN
- 00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:16.290
- THIS VERY DAY, WELL, YOU
- 00:23:16.290 --> 00:23:17.270
- COULD'VE BEEN WORKIN' ON MY
- 00:23:17.270 --> 00:23:18.170
- DIVINE PLAN WITH ME."
- 00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:19.250
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:20.090
- - ERIC: "THESE ANIMALS, WHAT
- 00:23:20.090 --> 00:23:21.000
- THEY DID TO MY DAUGHTER.
- 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:21.240
- I WANT YOU TO TAKE CARE OF THIS,
- 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.160
- GODFATHER."
- 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:23.000
- [ROBERT IMITATING VITO CORLEONE]
- 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:23.220
- - ROBERT: "LOOK AT HOW THEY
- 00:23:23.220 --> 00:23:24.120
- MASSACRED MY BOY."
- 00:23:24.120 --> 00:23:24.280
- [ERIC IMITATING VITO CORLEONE]
- 00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:25.260
- - ERIC: AH, "I WANT YOU TO USE
- 00:23:25.260 --> 00:23:26.180
- ALL YOUR POWERS."
- 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:27.030
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:23:27.030 --> 00:23:27.270
- - ERIC: OKAY, NOW LISTEN,
- 00:23:27.270 --> 00:23:29.020
- FOLKS, THE FILM IS "THE DIVINE
- 00:23:29.020 --> 00:23:29.290
- PLAN" ABOUT JOHN PAUL II,
- 00:23:29.290 --> 00:23:31.060
- RONALD REAGAN.
- 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:32.220
- THE DIRECTOR, MY NEW FRIEND,
- 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.210
- ROBERT ORLANDO.
- 00:23:34.210 --> 00:23:35.230
- IT'S IN THEATERS
- 00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:37.160
- NOVEMBER 6TH ONLY.
- 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:38.180
- ALWAYS, "THE DIVINE PLAN,"
- 00:23:41.090 --> 00:23:41.280
- ROBERT ORLANDO, A JOY.
- 00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:43.060
- THANKS FOR BEING MY GUEST.
- 00:23:43.060 --> 00:23:43.250
- - ROBERT: PLEASE HAVE ME BACK.
- 00:23:43.250 --> 00:23:44.170
- - ERIC: I WILL-- AND THAT'S
- 00:23:46.030 --> 00:23:46.230
- A THREAT.
- 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:47.040
- - ROBERT: YEAH.
- 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:47.260
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:23:47.260 --> 00:23:48.130
- "OTHERWISE, I'LL HAVE PEOPLE
- 00:23:48.130 --> 00:23:49.030
- TAKE CARE--"
- 00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:50.110
- - ERIC: RIGHT.
- 00:23:50.110 --> 00:23:50.290
- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:23:50.290 --> 00:23:51.230
- - PRESIDENT REAGAN: YOU AND I
- 00:23:51.230 --> 00:23:52.140
- HAVE A RENDEZVOUS WITH DESTINY.
- 00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:53.290
- [BANG]
- 00:23:53.290 --> 00:23:55.190
- WE'LL PRESERVE FOR OUR CHILDREN
- 00:23:55.190 --> 00:23:56.230
- THIS, THE LAST BEST HOPE OF MAN
- 00:23:56.230 --> 00:23:58.220
- ON EARTH, OR WE'LL SENTENCE THEM
- 00:23:58.220 --> 00:24:00.090
- TO TAKE THE LAST STEP INTO A
- 00:24:00.090 --> 00:24:01.230
- THOUSAND YEARS OF DARKNESS.
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- - CRAIG SHIRLEY: POPE JOHN
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- PAUL II IS A DAGGER AIMED RIGHT
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- AT THE THROAT OF THE
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- SOVIET UNION.
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- [MUSIC]
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- [BANG]
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- - ANNOUNCER: A DESPERATE TIME.
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- - H.W. BRANDS: OTHER AMERICAN
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- PRESIDENTS TRIED TO FIGURE OUT
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- HOW TO MANAGE THE COLD WAR.
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- REAGAN WANTED TO WIN THE
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- COLD WAR.
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- - ANNOUNCER: A WORLD DIVIDED
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- BY SUPERPOWERS.
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- - PRESIDENT REAGAN: WHEN A
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- GOVERNMENT ABUSES THE RIGHTS OF
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- ITS OWN PEOPLE, IT IS A GRIM
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- INDICATION OF ITS WILLINGNESS TO
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- COMMIT VIOLENCE AGAINST OTHERS.
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- - PAUL KENGOR: THE REAL BIG
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- BATTLE OF THE 20TH CENTURY WAS
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- BETWEEN THE FORCES OF GOOD
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- VERSUS THE FORCES OF EVIL.
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- - ANNOUNCER: TWO BOYS RAISED
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- DURING VIOLENT TIMES, WHO WOULD
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- BECOME A PRESIDENT AND A POPE.
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- - POPE JOHN PAUL II: DO NOT
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- BE AFRAID.
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- DO NOT BE AFRAID.
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- [MUSIC]
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- - ANNE GRAHAM LOTZ: FAITH IS
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- NOT "I HOPE SO."
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- BIBLICAL FAITH IS
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- AND YOUR CONFIDENCE IS IN THE
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- WORD OF GOD THAT IT'S TRUE, AND
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- HE KEEPS HIS WORD.
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- TO PUT IT THIS WAY, THE GROUND
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- IS LEVEL AT THE FOOT
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- OF THE CROSS.
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- WE ALL HAVE TO COME TO THE FOOT
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- OF THE CROSS AND COME TO THE
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- VERY SAME PLACE TO CONFESS OUR
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- SIN, TO REPENT, AND TO GET
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