Guest David Barton
July 3, 2020
24:13
The Eric Metaxas Show offers compelling perspective on American culture; political life; and stories making news around the corner and across the globe.
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- - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM IS
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- - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM ISSPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD,
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- SPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD,GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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- GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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- OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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- [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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- [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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- - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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- - ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,
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- - ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,FOLKS.
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- FOLKS.WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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- WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.I HAVE AS MY GUEST TODAY,
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- I HAVE AS MY GUEST TODAY,DAVID BARTON.
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- DAVID BARTON.HE'S WITH WALLBUILDERS.
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- HE'S WITH WALLBUILDERS.DAVID, THRILLED TO HAVE YOU.
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- DAVID, THRILLED TO HAVE YOU.WHEN I THINK HISTORY, WHEN
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- WHEN I THINK HISTORY, WHENI THINK AMERICAN HISTORY,
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- I THINK AMERICAN HISTORY,I THINK OF YOU, AND I'M SO
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- I THINK OF YOU, AND I'M SOGLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GET
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- GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GETYOU BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING
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- YOU BECAUSE WE ARE HAVINGA TOUGH TIME IN THIS COUNTRY.
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- A TOUGH TIME IN THIS COUNTRY.THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE
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- THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLETRYIN' TO TEAR DOWN HISTORY.
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- TRYIN' TO TEAR DOWN HISTORY.THERE ARE MIXED MOTIVES.
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- THERE ARE MIXED MOTIVES.IT'S COMPLICATED.
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- IT'S COMPLICATED.THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDES
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- THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDESTO THE ISSUE.
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- TO THE ISSUE.BUT WHAT'S YOUR OPINION OF
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- BUT WHAT'S YOUR OPINION OFWHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?
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- WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?- DAVID BARTON: WELL,
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- - DAVID BARTON: WELL,THIS IS A GREAT
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- THIS IS A GREATILLUSTRATION OF HOW LITTLE
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- ILLUSTRATION OF HOW LITTLEWE KNOW ABOUT OUR OWN HISTORY.
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- WE KNOW ABOUT OUR OWN HISTORY.AS YOU LOOK AT-- I'M JUST
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- AS YOU LOOK AT-- I'M JUSTSURPRISED EVEN AS I SEE
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- SURPRISED EVEN AS I SEESTATUES COMING DOWN, NOT
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- STATUES COMING DOWN, NOTJUST THOSE RELATED TO
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- BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE
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- BUT HOW MANY OF THOSESTATUES ARE ACTUALLY OF
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- STATUES ARE ACTUALLY OFANTIRACIST KIND OF FOLKS.
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- ANTIRACIST KIND OF FOLKS.I MEAN, TO TEAR DOWN THE
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- I MEAN, TO TEAR DOWN THEMASS 54TH STATUE--
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- MASS 54TH STATUE--OH, MY GOSH.
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- OH, MY GOSH.I MEAN, THAT'S THE 2ND
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- I MEAN, THAT'S THE 2NDBLACK REGIMENT OF THE
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- BLACK REGIMENT OF THECIVIL WAR.
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- CIVIL WAR.TO TEAR DOWN THE STATUE IN
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- TO TEAR DOWN THE STATUE INMINNESOTA OF THE GUY.
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- MINNESOTA OF THE GUY.IT'S A MONUMENT TO THOSE
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- IT'S A MONUMENT TO THOSEWHO WERE LYNCHED, RACIALLY
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- WHO WERE LYNCHED, RACIALLYLYNCHED.
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- LYNCHED.THEY'RE TEARING THAT DOWN.
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- THEY'RE TEARING THAT DOWN.THEY'RE JUST TEARING
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- THEY'RE JUST TEARINGANYTHING DOWN WITH HISTORY
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- ANYTHING DOWN WITH HISTORYTHEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
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- THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.THEY'RE TEARING DOWN
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- THEY'RE TEARING DOWNULYSSES S. GRANT MONUMENT.
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- ULYSSES S. GRANT MONUMENT.THAT'S CRAZY.
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- THAT'S CRAZY.- ERIC: I HADN'T HEARD
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- - ERIC: I HADN'T HEARDABOUT THE FIRST TWO THAT
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- WHERE ARE THEY?
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- WHERE ARE THEY?AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE
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- AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT MOREABOUT THOSE.
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- ABOUT THOSE.THE MASSACHUSETTS 54--
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- THE MASSACHUSETTS 54--WHAT IS THAT?
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- - DAVID: THE MASS 54TH IS
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- - DAVID: THE MASS 54TH ISA MONUMENT IN BOSTON, AND
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- A MONUMENT IN BOSTON, ANDTHE MASS 54TH WAS A BLACK
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- THE MASS 54TH WAS A BLACKREGIMENT IN THE CIVIL WAR
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- REGIMENT IN THE CIVIL WARTHAT FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY.
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- THAT FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY.IT WAS FOUNDED BY
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- IT WAS FOUNDED BYFREDERICK DOUGLASS, ONE OF
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- FREDERICK DOUGLASS, ONE OFTWO REGIMENTS HE FOUNDED.
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- TWO REGIMENTS HE FOUNDED.AND SO FREDERICK DOUGLASS
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- AND SO FREDERICK DOUGLASSRECRUITED BLACK MEN TO GO
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- RECRUITED BLACK MEN TO GOFIGHT FOR THEIR OWN
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- FIGHT FOR THEIR OWNFREEDOM AND LIBERTY.
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- FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT
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- IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANTUNIT.
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- UNIT.IT FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE
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- IT FOUGHT IN THE BATTLEOF FORT WAGNER, AND THAT'S
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- OF FORT WAGNER, AND THAT'SWHERE ACTUALLY THE NATION
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- WHERE ACTUALLY THE NATIONLEARNED, "HEY, BLACKS AND
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- LEARNED, "HEY, BLACKS ANDWHITES ARE EQUAL.
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- WHITES ARE EQUAL.THESE GUYS ARE GREAT SOLDIERS.
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- THESE GUYS ARE GREAT SOLDIERS.THEY'RE GREAT WARRIORS.
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- THEY'RE GREAT WARRIORS.LET 'EM FIGHT."
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- LET 'EM FIGHT."AND SO THE MASS 54TH
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- AND SO THE MASS 54THBECAME A VERY SIGNIFICANT
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- BECAME A VERY SIGNIFICANTUNIT,
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- UNIT,AND A MONUMENT IN BOSTON TO
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- AND A MONUMENT IN BOSTON TOTHE MASS 54TH, WHICH IS A
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- THE MASS 54TH, WHICH IS AMONUMENT OF EQUALITY,
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- MONUMENT OF EQUALITY,WAS ATTACKED AND DEFACED,
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- WAS ATTACKED AND DEFACED,BUT WE'RE SEEIN' THAT GOIN'
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- BUT WE'RE SEEIN' THAT GOIN'ACROSS THERE.
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- ACROSS THERE.BY THE WAY, THEY'RE
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- BY THE WAY, THEY'RETEARING DOWN THE STATUE OF
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- TEARING DOWN THE STATUE OFABRAHAM LINCOLN IN BOSTON
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- ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN BOSTONAS WELL.
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- AS WELL.NOW, TELL ME HOW ABRAHAM
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- NOW, TELL ME HOW ABRAHAMLINCOLN IS A RACIST IN ANY
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- LINCOLN IS A RACIST IN ANYWAY, SHAPE, FASHION, OR
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- WAY, SHAPE, FASHION, ORFORM, BUT WE'RE EVEN
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- FORM, BUT WE'RE EVENTEARIN' DOWN THE STATUE OF
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- - ERIC: HE'S A WHITE GUY,
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- - ERIC: HE'S A WHITE GUY,AND IF SOMEBODY IS CRAZY
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- AND IF SOMEBODY IS CRAZYENOUGH TO USE THAT AS
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- ENOUGH TO USE THAT ASTHEIR ARBITER, YOU KNOW,
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- THEIR ARBITER, YOU KNOW,THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT WHEN
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- THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT WHENYOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
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- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEMASS 54TH, MY QUESTION IS,
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- MASS 54TH, MY QUESTION IS,HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT
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- HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THATANYONE COULD DO THAT?
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- ANYONE COULD DO THAT?I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IF
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- I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IFSOMEBODY IS UNHINGED, AND
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- SOMEBODY IS UNHINGED, ANDTHEY'RE DOING IRRATIONAL
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- THEY'RE DOING IRRATIONALTHINGS, BUT THIS IS A
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- THINGS, BUT THIS IS ALEVEL OF IRRATIONALITY
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- LEVEL OF IRRATIONALITYTHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M--
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- THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M--YOU ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE
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- YOU ALWAYS LOOK FOR THETHREAT OF RATIONALITY WITHIN
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- THREAT OF RATIONALITY WITHINTHE IRRATIONALITY.
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- THE IRRATIONALITY.I CAN UNDERSTAND IF
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- I CAN UNDERSTAND IFSOMEBODY, AS I SAY, TEARS
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- SOMEBODY, AS I SAY, TEARSDOWN GRANT OR LINCOLN OUT
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- DOWN GRANT OR LINCOLN OUTOF PURE IGNORANCE, THAT
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- OF PURE IGNORANCE, THATTHESE WERE WHITE LEADERS,
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- THESE WERE WHITE LEADERS,AND WE WANNA TEAR THEM
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- AND WE WANNA TEAR THEMDOWN JUST BECAUSE WE'RE
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- DOWN JUST BECAUSE WE'REBEING VAGUE AND SLOPPY,
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- BEING VAGUE AND SLOPPY,BUT CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN,
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- BUT CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN,DID ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY
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- DID ANYONE EXPLAIN WHYTHEY WOULD TEAR DOWN THE
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- THEY WOULD TEAR DOWN THESTATUE OF MASSACHUSETTS 54TH?
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- STATUE OF MASSACHUSETTS 54TH?AND TWO OTHER QUICK
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- AND TWO OTHER QUICKQUESTIONS: IS THIS THE
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- QUESTIONS: IS THIS THEREGIMENT THAT WAS IN THE
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- REGIMENT THAT WAS IN THEMOVIE "GLORY," WITH
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- MOVIE "GLORY," WITHDENZEL WASHINGTON AND
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- - DAVID: IT IS.
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- - DAVID: IT IS.- ERIC: AND THEN THE
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- - ERIC: AND THEN THETHIRD QUESTION IS--
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- THIRD QUESTION IS--I'M STUNNED THE MEDIA
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- I'M STUNNED THE MEDIAHASN'T REPORTED ON THIS.
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- HASN'T REPORTED ON THIS.I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT
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- I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUTTHIS UNTIL JUST NOW WHEN
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- THIS UNTIL JUST NOW WHENYOU SAID IT.
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- YOU SAID IT.SO THAT'S, LIKE, THE
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- SO THAT'S, LIKE, THEBIGGEST NEWS OF ALL THAT
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- - DAVID: YEAH, IT IS.
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- - DAVID: YEAH, IT IS.AND, BY THE WAY, THIS IS
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- AND, BY THE WAY, THIS ISTHE REGIMENT THAT WAS IN
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- THE REGIMENT THAT WAS INTHE MOVIE "GLORY."
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- THE MOVIE "GLORY."SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS
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- SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WASFEATURED THERE.
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- FEATURED THERE.THIS WAS A BREAKTHROUGH
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- THIS WAS A BREAKTHROUGHUNIT IN THE CIVIL WAR THAT
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- UNIT IN THE CIVIL WAR THATREALLY, KIND OF, BROUGHT
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- REALLY, KIND OF, BROUGHTEQUALITY TO THE MILITARY.
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- THE REASON THEY'RE DOING
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- THE REASON THEY'RE DOINGTHIS, THE BEST I CAN SAY
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- THIS, THE BEST I CAN SAYIS THEY'RE COMPLETELY
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- IS THEY'RE COMPLETELYIGNORANT OF HISTORY
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- IGNORANT OF HISTORYBECAUSE THEY'RE TEARING
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- BECAUSE THEY'RE TEARINGDOWN SO MANY RACIAL
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- DOWN SO MANY RACIALEQUALITY ADVOCATES, AND
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- EQUALITY ADVOCATES, ANDTHEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHO
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- THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHOTHEY ARE.
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- THEY ARE.THEY JUST ASSUME, IF IT'S
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- AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAME
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- AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAMETHING I WOULD POINT TO,
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- THING I WOULD POINT TO,I MENTIONED THAT MONUMENT
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- I MENTIONED THAT MONUMENTIN MINNESOTA.
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- IN MINNESOTA.IT'S ERECTED TO HONOR
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- IT'S ERECTED TO HONORTHOSE WHO DIED FROM
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- THOSE WHO DIED FROMLYNCHINGS.
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- LYNCHINGS.IT'S A MONUMENT AGAINST
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- IT'S A MONUMENT AGAINSTRACIAL INJUSTICE, AND THEY
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- RACIAL INJUSTICE, AND THEYDEFACED THAT-- AND TEAR
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- DEFACED THAT-- AND TEARDOWN A MONUMENT AGAINST
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- DOWN A MONUMENT AGAINSTLYNCHING?
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- SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A
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- SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS AGREAT-- THIS IS A DISPLAY
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- GREAT-- THIS IS A DISPLAYOF AMERICAN EDUCATION AT
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- OF AMERICAN EDUCATION ATWORK BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE
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- WORK BECAUSE THESE PEOPLEKNOW NOTHING ABOUT
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- KNOW NOTHING ABOUTHISTORY, ONE SIDE OR
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- THEY'RE RESPONDIN' TO
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- THEY'RE RESPONDIN' TOSOUND BITES AND MEMES AND
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- SOUND BITES AND MEMES ANDPHRASES, AND THIS HAS NO
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- PHRASES, AND THIS HAS NOTHINKING BEHIND IT.
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- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL
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- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALLKINDS OF PEOPLE TEARING
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- KINDS OF PEOPLE TEARINGDOWN STATUES.
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- DOWN STATUES.MOST OF WHOM, IT SEEMS TO
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- MOST OF WHOM, IT SEEMS TOME, ARE WHITE ANTIFA
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- ME, ARE WHITE ANTIFAMARXISTS, BLACK LIVES
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- MARXISTS, BLACK LIVESMATTER ADVOCATES WHO ARE,
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- MATTER ADVOCATES WHO ARE,IN FACT, MARXISTS, WHO
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- IN FACT, MARXISTS, WHOHAVE HIJACKED THIS MOMENT
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- HAVE HIJACKED THIS MOMENTOF STRIFE IN AMERICA.
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- OF STRIFE IN AMERICA.THEY'VE HIJACKED IT,
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- THEY'VE HIJACKED IT,AND THERE'S A DEEP CYNICISM,
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- AND THERE'S A DEEP CYNICISM,AND IT'S VERY EVIL BECAUSE
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- AND IT'S VERY EVIL BECAUSEIT'S CONFUSING, ON THE ONE
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- IT'S CONFUSING, ON THE ONEHAND, WHAT IS AN IMPORTANT
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- HAND, WHAT IS AN IMPORTANTISSUE, WHICH IS THE ISSUE
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- ISSUE, WHICH IS THE ISSUEOF JUSTICE, THE ISSUE OF
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- OF JUSTICE, THE ISSUE OF"DO WE HAVE A EQUAL
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- "DO WE HAVE A EQUALJUSTICE UNDER THE LAW
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- JUSTICE UNDER THE LAWFOR EVERYONE?"
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- FOR EVERYONE?"DO WE HAVE A CORRUPTION IN
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- DO WE HAVE A CORRUPTION INOUR POLICE SYSTEMS, WHICH
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- OUR POLICE SYSTEMS, WHICHNEEDS TO BE ROOTED OUT,
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- NEEDS TO BE ROOTED OUT,WHETHER IT'S RACIALLY
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- WHETHER IT'S RACIALLYMOTIVATED OR NOT, ANY KIND
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- MOTIVATED OR NOT, ANY KINDOF CORRUPTION?
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- OF CORRUPTION?SO THERE'S SOME REAL
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- SO THERE'S SOME REALISSUES HERE, BUT THERE ARE
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- ISSUES HERE, BUT THERE AREPEOPLE WHO ARE SLOPPILY,
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- PEOPLE WHO ARE SLOPPILY,OR I WOULD SAY, ACTUALLY,
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- OR I WOULD SAY, ACTUALLY,IN THIS CASE, EVILLY
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- IN THIS CASE, EVILLYINTENTIONALLY HIJACKING
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- INTENTIONALLY HIJACKINGSOMETHING THAT NEEDS
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- SOMETHING THAT NEEDSATTENTION TO JUST CAUSE
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- ATTENTION TO JUST CAUSECHAOS, AND THE EXAMPLES
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- CHAOS, AND THE EXAMPLESTHAT YOU'VE JUST GIVEN,
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- THAT YOU'VE JUST GIVEN,I'M JUST AGHAST THAT THE
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- I'M JUST AGHAST THAT THEMEDIA HAS NOT REPORTED ON
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- SO HOW IS IT THAT THIS
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- SO HOW IS IT THAT THISCAME TO YOUR ATTENTION?
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- CAME TO YOUR ATTENTION?BECAUSE THIS IS THE
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- BECAUSE THIS IS THECRAZIEST THING I HAVE
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- CRAZIEST THING I HAVEHEARD OF, ALL THIS
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- HEARD OF, ALL THISCRAZY STUFF.
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- CRAZY STUFF.- DAVID: ANYTHING THAT IS
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- - DAVID: ANYTHING THAT ISA MEMORIAL RIGHT NOW IS
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- A MEMORIAL RIGHT NOW ISUNDER ATTACK:
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- UNDER ATTACK:THE WORLD WAR I MEMORIAL,
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- THE WORLD WAR I MEMORIAL,THE WORLD WAR II MEMORIAL,
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- THE WORLD WAR II MEMORIAL,THE ABRAHAM LINCOLN MEMORIAL,
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- THE ABRAHAM LINCOLN MEMORIAL,THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MEMORIAL,
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- THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MEMORIAL,THE PIONEER, FATHERS OF OREGON,
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- THE PIONEER, FATHERS OF OREGON,THE FOUNDERS,
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- THE FOUNDERS,UNIVERSITY OF OREGON--
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- UNIVERSITY OF OREGON--THEY TORE THOSE STATUES DOWN.
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- THEY TORE THOSE STATUES DOWN.I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT'S A
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- I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT'S ASTATUE RIGHT NOW HAS GOT
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- STATUE RIGHT NOW HAS GOTTO GO, AND SO I KEEP A
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- TO GO, AND SO I KEEP ALIST, A RUNNING LIST OF
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- LIST, A RUNNING LIST OFALL THE STATUES THAT ARE
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- ALL THE STATUES THAT AREBEING TORN DOWN, AND I
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- BEING TORN DOWN, AND IKEEP PICTURES OF 'EM.
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- KEEP PICTURES OF 'EM.I FILE THAT AWAY.
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- I FILE THAT AWAY.IT IS AMAZING.
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- IT IS AMAZING.ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY IS
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- ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY ISUNDER ATTACK RIGHT NOW,
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- UNDER ATTACK RIGHT NOW,AND THERE ARE EXTREMISTS,
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- AND THERE ARE EXTREMISTS,BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS
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- BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING ISTHE MEDIA IS NOT CALLING
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- THE MEDIA IS NOT CALLINGTHEM OUT FOR IT.
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- THEM OUT FOR IT.THE MEDIA IS NOT
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- THE MEDIA IS NOTHIGHLIGHTING THE
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- HIGHLIGHTING THERIDICULOUS THINGS THEY'RE
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- RIDICULOUS THINGS THEY'REDOING, AND SO THEY'RE
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- DOING, AND SO THEY'REREALLY KIND OF JUSTIFYING
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- REALLY KIND OF JUSTIFYINGTHIS AS THE ANGER AND RAGE
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- THIS AS THE ANGER AND RAGETHAT STEMS FROM RACIAL
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- THAT STEMS FROM RACIALINJUSTICE, SYSTEMIC
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- INJUSTICE, SYSTEMICRACISM, ET CETERA, BUT
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- RACISM, ET CETERA, BUTIT'S WAY BEYOND THAT.
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- IT'S WAY BEYOND THAT.IT IS WAY BEYOND ANY OF
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- IT IS WAY BEYOND ANY OFTHAT DISCUSSION.
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- THAT DISCUSSION.- ERIC: WE HAVE TO BE
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- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
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- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLEWHO HAVE HIJACKED PEACEFUL
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- WHO HAVE HIJACKED PEACEFULPROTESTS AND WHO HAVE
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- PROTESTS AND WHO HAVEHIJACKED WHAT WERE
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- HIJACKED WHAT WERELEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES THAT
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- LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES THATCAN BE DEALT WITH IN A
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- CAN BE DEALT WITH IN ACERTAIN WAY.
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- CERTAIN WAY.THEY'VE HIJACKED THAT FOR
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- THEY'VE HIJACKED THAT FORTHEIR OWN ENDS.
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- THEIR OWN ENDS.NOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKIN'
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- NOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKIN'ABOUT WIPING OUT HISTORY,
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- ABOUT WIPING OUT HISTORY,YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT
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- YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THATTHAT IS ONE OF THE MOST
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- THAT IS ONE OF THE MOSTEVIL THINGS ANYONE CAN
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- EVIL THINGS ANYONE CANHAVE DONE, AND WHEN WE
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- HAVE DONE, AND WHEN WELOOK AT HISTORY, TO SEE
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- LOOK AT HISTORY, TO SEEWHO HAS TORN DOWN HISTORY,
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- WHO HAS TORN DOWN HISTORY,WE THINK OF THE FRENCH
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- WE THINK OF THE FRENCHREVOLUTION; WE CAN THINK
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- REVOLUTION; WE CAN THINKOF THE TALIBAN BLOWING UP
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- THERE'S A PARTICULAR KIND
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- THERE'S A PARTICULAR KINDOF EVIL THAT WANTS TO
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- OF EVIL THAT WANTS TODESTROY THE PAST SO THAT
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- DESTROY THE PAST SO THATIT CAN REMAKE THE PRESENT
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- IT CAN REMAKE THE PRESENTAND THE FUTURE IN ITS OWN
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- AND THE FUTURE IN ITS OWNWICKED IMAGE, AND I KNOW
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- THAT'S WHY YOU LOVE HISTORY.
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- THAT'S WHY YOU LOVE HISTORY.- DAVID: YEAH, AND ONE OF
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- - DAVID: YEAH, AND ONE OFTHE THINGS THAT WE POINT
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- THE THINGS THAT WE POINTOUT IS YOU TEACH THE GOOD,
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- YOU LEARN A LOT FROM THE
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- YOU LEARN A LOT FROM THEBAD AND THE UGLY OF HISTORY.
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- BAD AND THE UGLY OF HISTORY.I CAN POINT TO A STATUE OF
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- I CAN POINT TO A STATUE OFNATHAN BEDFORD FORREST,
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- NATHAN BEDFORD FORREST,WHO WAS A CONFEDERATE
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- WHO WAS A CONFEDERATEGENERAL, AND I CAN TELL
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- GENERAL, AND I CAN TELLYOU THAT HE MAY BE THE
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- I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DID
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- I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DIDAT FORT PILLOW.
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- AT FORT PILLOW.I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DID
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- I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DIDIN STARTIN' THE KU KLUX KLAN.
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- IN STARTIN' THE KU KLUX KLAN.AND AS LONG AS YOU LEAVE
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- AND AS LONG AS YOU LEAVETHAT STATUE THERE, I CAN
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- THAT STATUE THERE, I CANTELL YOU ABOUT ALL OF THE
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- TELL YOU ABOUT ALL OF THEWICKEDNESS THAT CAME FROM HIM.
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- WICKEDNESS THAT CAME FROM HIM.YOU TAKE THAT STATUE DOWN,
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- YOU TAKE THAT STATUE DOWN,IT'S NOT THE SAME AS BEIN'
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- IT'S NOT THE SAME AS BEIN'ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT
- 00:08:12.703 --> 00:08:14.505
- SO I'M STRUCK WITH THE
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- SO I'M STRUCK WITH THEFACT THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK
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- FACT THAT, WHEN YOU LOOKAT ISRAEL, NOT ONLY DO YOU
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- AT ISRAEL, NOT ONLY DO YOUHAVE ALL THESE STATUES OF
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- HAVE ALL THESE STATUES OFKING DAVID, YOU'VE GOT
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- ABSALOM-- ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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- ABSALOM-- ARE YOU KIDDING ME?HE'S ONE OF THE WORST
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- HE'S ONE OF THE WORSTINSURRECTION GUYS-- YEAH,
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- INSURRECTION GUYS-- YEAH,BUT THAT HELPS THEM
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- BUT THAT HELPS THEMREMEMBER THE GOOD GUYS,
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- YOU LOOK IN GERMANY.
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- YOU LOOK IN GERMANY.GERMANY, RIGHT NOW,
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- GERMANY, RIGHT NOW,DESPITE WHAT THEY DID WITH
- 00:08:30.321 --> 00:08:33.157
- DESPITE WHAT THEY DID WITHNAZIS, IS ONE OF THE MOST
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- NAZIS, IS ONE OF THE MOSTANTI-NEO-NAZI NATIONS IN
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- AND THEY STILL MAINTAIN
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- AND THEY STILL MAINTAINMUSEUMS ON NAZISM TO TEACH
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- MUSEUMS ON NAZISM TO TEACHTHE PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKS
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- THE PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKSLIKE AND WHAT TO AVOID AND
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- LIKE AND WHAT TO AVOID ANDWHAT NOT TO LET COME BACK.
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- WHAT NOT TO LET COME BACK.AND SO THE NOTION OF
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- AND SO THE NOTION OFDESTROYIN' ALL OF HISTORY,
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- DESTROYIN' ALL OF HISTORY,YOU LOSE LESSONS THAT GO
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- YOU LOSE LESSONS THAT GOWITH IT, AND THAT'S WHAT
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- WITH IT, AND THAT'S WHATREALLY CONCERNS ME IS I
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- REALLY CONCERNS ME IS ICAN LEARN AS MUCH FROM THE
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- CAN LEARN AS MUCH FROM THEBAD AND THE UGLY AS I CAN
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- BAD AND THE UGLY AS I CANFROM THE GOOD.
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- FROM THE GOOD.- ERIC: THAT'S TRUE
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- - ERIC: THAT'S TRUEALTHOUGH I THINK WE ALL
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- ALTHOUGH I THINK WE ALLWOULD AGREE THAT LINES CAN
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- WOULD AGREE THAT LINES CANBE DRAWN.
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- BE DRAWN.WE DON'T HAVE A STATUE TO
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- WE DON'T HAVE A STATUE TOADOLF HITLER.
- 00:09:02.119 --> 00:09:03.988
- ADOLF HITLER.PEOPLE WOULD DRAW THE
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- PEOPLE WOULD DRAW THELINE THERE.
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- LINE THERE.BUT THERE ARE STATUES
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- IT'S COMPLICATED.
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- IT'S COMPLICATED.WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK.
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- WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK.WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK.
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- WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK.FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.
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- FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.I'M TALKING TO
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- I'M TALKING TODAVID BARTON.
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- - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I'M
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- - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I'MTALKING TO DAVID BARTON OF
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- TALKING TO DAVID BARTON OFWALLBUILDERS.
- 00:09:21.411 --> 00:09:22.779
- WALLBUILDERS.YOU CAN GO TO
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- YOU CAN GO TOWALLBUILDERS.COM, AND FIND
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- WALLBUILDERS.COM, AND FINDOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS
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- TWO THINGS I WANNA COVER
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- FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA TALK
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- FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA TALKABOUT THE ROLE OF FAITH IN
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- ABOUT THE ROLE OF FAITH INAMERICAN HISTORY.
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- AMERICAN HISTORY.ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED,
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- ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED,IN PART, BECAUSE OF YOU,
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- IN PART, BECAUSE OF YOU,IS THE INEXTRICABLE BOND
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- IS THE INEXTRICABLE BONDBETWEEN LIBERTY AND FAITH,
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- BIBLICAL FAITH IN AMERICA,
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- BIBLICAL FAITH IN AMERICA,HOW WE CANNOT HAVE THE
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- HOW WE CANNOT HAVE THEFREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE,
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- FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE,HOW WE CANNOT CARE ABOUT
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- HOW WE CANNOT CARE ABOUTRACISM UNLESS WE
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- RACISM UNLESS WEUNDERSTAND WE GOT ALL
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- UNDERSTAND WE GOT ALLTHOSE GOOD IDEAS FROM
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- THAT'S INCONTROVERTIBLE
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- THAT'S INCONTROVERTIBLEBIBLICALLY.
- 00:10:01.718 --> 00:10:02.686
- BIBLICALLY.I WANNA TOUCH ON THAT.
- 00:10:02.686 --> 00:10:03.620
- I WANNA TOUCH ON THAT.AND THEN I ALSO WANNA
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- AND THEN I ALSO WANNATOUCH ON THE HISTORY OF
- 00:10:06.122 --> 00:10:07.757
- TOUCH ON THE HISTORY OFTHE END OF THE CIVIL WAR
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- THE END OF THE CIVIL WARAND THE GRACIOUSNESS THAT
- 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.728
- AND THE GRACIOUSNESS THATLINCOLN AND GRANT SHOWED
- 00:10:11.728 --> 00:10:14.264
- LINCOLN AND GRANT SHOWEDTO THEIR DEFEATED ENEMIES
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- TO THEIR DEFEATED ENEMIESIN THE CONFEDERACY.
- 00:10:15.498 --> 00:10:16.533
- IN THE CONFEDERACY.SO LET'S START WITH THE
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- SO LET'S START WITH THEFIRST ONE AND LAY THE BASE
- 00:10:18.134 --> 00:10:19.736
- FIRST ONE AND LAY THE BASESO FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHAT
- 00:10:19.736 --> 00:10:22.205
- - DAVID: YEAH, WHEN YOU
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- - DAVID: YEAH, WHEN YOUGO BACK TO THE FOUNDING OF
- 00:10:24.441 --> 00:10:25.141
- GO BACK TO THE FOUNDING OFAMERICA, ACTUALLY, YOU
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- AMERICA, ACTUALLY, YOUHAVE TWO MODELS.
- 00:10:25.942 --> 00:10:27.510
- HAVE TWO MODELS.THERE WAS REALLY A VERY
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- THERE WAS REALLY A VERYINTERESTING WALL MAP THAT
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- SHOWING THE TWO STRANDS OF
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- SHOWING THE TWO STRANDS OFTHOUGHT IN AMERICA, ONE
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- THOUGHT IN AMERICA, ONEBAD, ONE GOOD, AND IT
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- BAD, ONE GOOD, AND ITSHOWS THAT OUT OF
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- SHOWS THAT OUT OFJAMESTOWN CAME SLAVERY AND
- 00:10:37.821 --> 00:10:40.957
- JAMESTOWN CAME SLAVERY ANDINTOLERANCE AND CLASSISM
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- INTOLERANCE AND CLASSISMAND RACISM, AND OUT OF
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- AND RACISM, AND OUT OFPLYMOUTH CAME LIBERTY AND
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- PLYMOUTH CAME LIBERTY ANDFREEDOM AND CONSTITUTIONAL
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- FREEDOM AND CONSTITUTIONALGOVERNMENT,
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- GOVERNMENT,BILLS OF RIGHTS, ET CETERA,
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- BILLS OF RIGHTS, ET CETERA,AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS BOTH OF
- 00:10:49.599 --> 00:10:51.701
- BUT JAMESTOWN
- 00:10:52.635 --> 00:10:53.470
- BUT JAMESTOWNWAS NOT BIBLICAL.
- 00:10:53.470 --> 00:10:53.903
- WAS NOT BIBLICAL.THEY PROFESSED
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- THEY PROFESSEDCHRISTIANITY.
- 00:10:54.904 --> 00:10:56.172
- CHRISTIANITY.THAT'S MUCH OF WHAT WE SEE
- 00:10:56.172 --> 00:10:56.673
- THAT'S MUCH OF WHAT WE SEEIN AMERICA TODAY.
- 00:10:56.673 --> 00:10:58.141
- IN AMERICA TODAY.SEVENTY-TWO PERCENT OF THE
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- SEVENTY-TWO PERCENT OF THENATION PROFESSES CHRISTIANITY.
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- NATION PROFESSES CHRISTIANITY.ONLY 6% HAVE A BIBLICAL
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- ONLY 6% HAVE A BIBLICALWORLDVIEW.
- 00:11:02.746 --> 00:11:03.680
- WORLDVIEW.IN OTHER WORDS, THEY LOOK
- 00:11:03.680 --> 00:11:04.781
- IN OTHER WORDS, THEY LOOKAT THE WORLD THROUGH WHAT
- 00:11:04.781 --> 00:11:06.015
- AT THE WORLD THROUGH WHATTHE BIBLE SAYS, WHICH IS
- 00:11:06.015 --> 00:11:07.650
- THE BIBLE SAYS, WHICH ISWHY, IN MANY CATEGORIES,
- 00:11:07.650 --> 00:11:08.752
- WHY, IN MANY CATEGORIES,YOU CANNOT TELL THE
- 00:11:08.752 --> 00:11:09.686
- YOU CANNOT TELL THEDIFFERENCE BETWEEN
- 00:11:09.686 --> 00:11:10.320
- DIFFERENCE BETWEENCHRISTIANS AND
- 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:10.987
- CHRISTIANS ANDNON-CHRISTIANS IN BEHAVIOR.
- 00:11:10.987 --> 00:11:12.822
- THEY CAME WITH A CHRISTIAN
- 00:11:14.257 --> 00:11:14.924
- THEY CAME WITH A CHRISTIANPROFESSION.
- 00:11:14.924 --> 00:11:16.392
- PROFESSION.THEY HAD MINISTERS;
- 00:11:16.392 --> 00:11:17.060
- THEY HAD MINISTERS;THEY SAID ALL THE RIGHT
- 00:11:17.060 --> 00:11:18.361
- THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE BIBLE.
- 00:11:19.662 --> 00:11:21.131
- THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE BIBLE.SO SLAVERY GETS STARTED
- 00:11:21.131 --> 00:11:21.731
- SO SLAVERY GETS STARTEDTHERE, WE'RE TOLD, IN 1619.
- 00:11:21.731 --> 00:11:23.032
- THERE, WE'RE TOLD, IN 1619.THAT'S THE 1619 PROJECT.
- 00:11:23.032 --> 00:11:25.268
- THAT'S THE 1619 PROJECT.BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
- 00:11:25.268 --> 00:11:27.103
- BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEPILGRIMS IN 1620,
- 00:11:27.103 --> 00:11:28.772
- PILGRIMS IN 1620,IT'S INTERESTING: THE SECOND
- 00:11:28.772 --> 00:11:29.806
- IT'S INTERESTING: THE SECONDLOAD OF SLAVES ARRIVED TO
- 00:11:29.806 --> 00:11:31.007
- LOAD OF SLAVES ARRIVED TOTHE PILGRIMS,
- 00:11:31.007 --> 00:11:32.408
- THE PILGRIMS,AND THEY QUOTED EXODUS ABOUT
- 00:11:32.408 --> 00:11:34.444
- AND THEY QUOTED EXODUS ABOUTMAN-STEALING,
- 00:11:34.444 --> 00:11:36.279
- MAN-STEALING,AND THEY FREED ALL THE SLAVES
- 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:38.148
- AND THEY FREED ALL THE SLAVESAND IMPRISONED THE SLAVE OWNERS.
- 00:11:38.148 --> 00:11:38.615
- AND IMPRISONED THE SLAVE OWNERS.- ERIC: WAS THAT THE
- 00:11:38.615 --> 00:11:40.116
- WHAT WAS THAT SHIP?
- 00:11:41.951 --> 00:11:42.385
- WHAT WAS THAT SHIP?- DAVID: NO, THE
- 00:11:42.385 --> 00:11:42.952
- - DAVID: NO, THE"SPEEDWELL" WAS ONE OF THE
- 00:11:42.952 --> 00:11:43.653
- "SPEEDWELL" WAS ONE OF THESHIPS--
- 00:11:43.653 --> 00:11:44.287
- SHIPS--IT WAS DESTINED TO COME OVER--
- 00:11:44.287 --> 00:11:45.622
- IT WAS A SHIP THAT ARRIVED
- 00:11:47.924 --> 00:11:49.392
- IT WAS A SHIP THAT ARRIVEDIN 1643, SO SLAVERY DIDN'T
- 00:11:49.392 --> 00:11:51.761
- IN 1643, SO SLAVERY DIDN'TGET AN EARLY START IN AMERICA.
- 00:11:51.761 --> 00:11:53.229
- GET AN EARLY START IN AMERICA.IT CAME 1643-- 1619 TO
- 00:11:53.229 --> 00:11:53.530
- IT CAME 1643-- 1619 TOJAMESTOWN,
- 00:11:53.530 --> 00:11:56.666
- JAMESTOWN,AND THEN 1643 TO PLYMOUTH.
- 00:11:56.666 --> 00:11:58.268
- AND THEN 1643 TO PLYMOUTH.AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT
- 00:11:58.268 --> 00:12:00.537
- AND IT'S INTERESTING THATHISTORICAL RECORDS MAKE
- 00:12:00.537 --> 00:12:01.304
- HISTORICAL RECORDS MAKECLEAR THERE WAS NOT A TIME
- 00:12:01.304 --> 00:12:02.605
- CLEAR THERE WAS NOT A TIMEIN MASSACHUSETTS HISTORY
- 00:12:02.605 --> 00:12:04.674
- MATTER OF FACT, YOU FIND
- 00:12:06.209 --> 00:12:06.743
- MATTER OF FACT, YOU FINDBLACKS BEING ELECTED TO
- 00:12:06.743 --> 00:12:08.812
- BLACKS BEING ELECTED TOOFFICE, BACK IN 1768
- 00:12:08.812 --> 00:12:10.747
- OFFICE, BACK IN 1768IN NEW HAMPSHIRE;
- 00:12:10.747 --> 00:12:13.049
- IN NEW HAMPSHIRE;1793 IN PENNSYLVANIA.
- 00:12:13.049 --> 00:12:14.450
- 1793 IN PENNSYLVANIA.BLACKS WERE ELECTED TO
- 00:12:14.450 --> 00:12:15.318
- BLACKS WERE ELECTED TOOFFICE IN THE BIBLICAL
- 00:12:15.318 --> 00:12:16.653
- AND THE OTHER PORTION OF
- 00:12:18.454 --> 00:12:18.955
- AND THE OTHER PORTION OFTHE COUNTRY, YOU'VE GOT
- 00:12:18.955 --> 00:12:19.856
- THE COUNTRY, YOU'VE GOTTHIS RACISM AND THIS
- 00:12:19.856 --> 00:12:20.190
- THIS RACISM AND THISDISTINCTION,
- 00:12:20.190 --> 00:12:21.191
- DISTINCTION,"YOU'RE BLACK; WE'RE WHITE.
- 00:12:21.191 --> 00:12:21.925
- "YOU'RE BLACK; WE'RE WHITE.YOU'RE INFERIOR;
- 00:12:21.925 --> 00:12:23.159
- YOU'RE INFERIOR;WE'RE SUPERIOR."
- 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:26.329
- WE'RE SUPERIOR."THAT'S THE MODEL.
- 00:12:26.329 --> 00:12:27.063
- THAT'S THE MODEL.THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY
- 00:12:27.063 --> 00:12:28.865
- THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAYIS WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE
- 00:12:28.865 --> 00:12:30.567
- WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
- 00:12:33.203 --> 00:12:34.270
- WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEOTHER STUFF THAT HAPPENED
- 00:12:34.270 --> 00:12:34.838
- OTHER STUFF THAT HAPPENEDWHICH IS-- AND THIS, BY
- 00:12:34.838 --> 00:12:35.705
- WHICH IS-- AND THIS, BYTHE WAY, IS THE BASE OF
- 00:12:35.705 --> 00:12:36.940
- THE WAY, IS THE BASE OFTHE CIVIL WAR.
- 00:12:36.940 --> 00:12:38.341
- THE CIVIL WAR.YOU HAVE A MENTALITY IN THE
- 00:12:38.341 --> 00:12:38.908
- YOU HAVE A MENTALITY IN THENORTH THAT SAYS "EQUALITY--
- 00:12:38.908 --> 00:12:41.578
- DID YOU KNOW, IN 1793,
- 00:12:44.280 --> 00:12:46.749
- DID YOU KNOW, IN 1793,JOHN HANCOCK HAD AN EQUALITY
- 00:12:46.749 --> 00:12:47.951
- JOHN HANCOCK HAD AN EQUALITYBALL IN MASSACHUSETTS THAT
- 00:12:47.951 --> 00:12:48.918
- BALL IN MASSACHUSETTS THATHONORED BLACKS ACROSS
- 00:12:48.918 --> 00:12:51.154
- AN EQUALITY BALL BY THE
- 00:12:52.355 --> 00:12:52.956
- AN EQUALITY BALL BY THEFOUNDING FATHERS IN 1793,
- 00:12:52.956 --> 00:12:54.490
- FOUNDING FATHERS IN 1793,HONORING BLACKS?
- 00:12:54.490 --> 00:12:56.259
- HONORING BLACKS?ABSOLUTELY.
- 00:12:56.259 --> 00:12:56.993
- ABSOLUTELY.THAT'S THE PARTS OF
- 00:12:56.993 --> 00:12:58.795
- THAT'S THE PARTS OFHISTORY WE'RE NOT GOING TO
- 00:12:58.795 --> 00:12:59.329
- HISTORY WE'RE NOT GOING TOHEAR TODAY, WHICH IS WHY
- 00:12:59.329 --> 00:13:00.530
- HEAR TODAY, WHICH IS WHYIT'S AMAZING TO SEE ALL
- 00:13:00.530 --> 00:13:01.197
- IT'S AMAZING TO SEE ALLTHE STATUES OF FOUNDING
- 00:13:01.197 --> 00:13:02.866
- THE STATUES OF FOUNDINGFATHERS BEING TORN DOWN
- 00:13:02.866 --> 00:13:04.634
- FATHERS BEING TORN DOWNWHEN SO MANY OF THEM WERE
- 00:13:04.634 --> 00:13:06.069
- WHEN SO MANY OF THEM WEREANTI-SLAVERY, EQUALITY GUYS.
- 00:13:06.069 --> 00:13:08.771
- ANTI-SLAVERY, EQUALITY GUYS.- ERIC: IT'S A STUNNING
- 00:13:08.771 --> 00:13:09.906
- - ERIC: IT'S A STUNNINGTHING, AND IT'S JUST GOOD
- 00:13:09.906 --> 00:13:11.007
- THING, AND IT'S JUST GOODTO HAVE YOU ON TO CLARIFY
- 00:13:11.007 --> 00:13:11.808
- TO HAVE YOU ON TO CLARIFYSOME OF THIS FOR US.
- 00:13:11.808 --> 00:13:13.476
- SOME OF THIS FOR US.NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT A
- 00:13:13.476 --> 00:13:14.944
- NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ANUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT
- 00:13:14.944 --> 00:13:15.778
- NUMBER OF THE THINGS THATYOU HAVE MENTIONED, NO ONE
- 00:13:15.778 --> 00:13:18.681
- YOU HAVE MENTIONED, NO ONEANYWHERE ON ANY STATION,
- 00:13:18.681 --> 00:13:19.249
- ANYWHERE ON ANY STATION,AND SO THIS IS HUGELY
- 00:13:19.249 --> 00:13:21.184
- AND SO THIS IS HUGELYIMPORTANT.
- 00:13:21.184 --> 00:13:22.585
- IMPORTANT.FOR FOLKS LISTENING, WHO
- 00:13:22.585 --> 00:13:24.454
- FOR FOLKS LISTENING, WHOWANNA FIND OUT MORE, I'M
- 00:13:24.454 --> 00:13:25.788
- WANNA FIND OUT MORE, I'MASSUMING WALLBUILDERS IS
- 00:13:25.788 --> 00:13:27.490
- ASSUMING WALLBUILDERS ISTHE PLACE, OR IS THERE A
- 00:13:27.490 --> 00:13:29.325
- - DAVID: NOW,
- 00:13:31.060 --> 00:13:32.195
- - DAVID: NOW,WALLBUILDERS IS THE PLACE.
- 00:13:32.195 --> 00:13:33.663
- WALLBUILDERS IS THE PLACE.WE HAVE ALL OF THIS ON THE
- 00:13:33.663 --> 00:13:35.164
- WE HAVE ALL OF THIS ON THEWEBSITE.
- 00:13:35.164 --> 00:13:35.899
- WEBSITE.WE ACTUALLY--IN ABOUT TWO
- 00:13:35.899 --> 00:13:36.866
- WE ACTUALLY--IN ABOUT TWOWEEKS, WE'LL HAVE A BOOK
- 00:13:36.866 --> 00:13:37.533
- WEEKS, WE'LL HAVE A BOOKOUT, CALLED "THE AMERICAN
- 00:13:37.533 --> 00:13:39.068
- OUT, CALLED "THE AMERICANSTORY," THAT LOOKS AT
- 00:13:39.068 --> 00:13:40.236
- STORY," THAT LOOKS ATAMERICA FROM THE LENS OF
- 00:13:40.236 --> 00:13:41.704
- AMERICA FROM THE LENS OFWHAT'S BEING TAUGHT TODAY.
- 00:13:41.704 --> 00:13:42.472
- WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT TODAY.AND SO IT LOOKS AT THE
- 00:13:42.472 --> 00:13:43.873
- AND SO IT LOOKS AT THERACISM THEME.
- 00:13:43.873 --> 00:13:44.440
- RACISM THEME.IT LOOKS AT THE INEQUALITY
- 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:46.075
- IT LOOKS AT THOSE THEMES,
- 00:13:47.510 --> 00:13:48.711
- IT LOOKS AT THOSE THEMES,AND WHILE SOME OF THAT DID
- 00:13:48.711 --> 00:13:49.245
- AND WHILE SOME OF THAT DIDHAPPEN, IT'S THE REST OF
- 00:13:49.245 --> 00:13:51.214
- HAPPEN, IT'S THE REST OFTHE STORY THAT IS SO
- 00:13:51.214 --> 00:13:52.015
- THE STORY THAT IS SOSIGNIFICANT THAT AMERICANS
- 00:13:52.015 --> 00:13:53.149
- SIGNIFICANT THAT AMERICANSDON'T GET TODAY.
- 00:13:53.149 --> 00:13:53.750
- DON'T GET TODAY.SO THAT BOOK WILL BE OUT
- 00:13:53.750 --> 00:13:54.584
- SO THAT BOOK WILL BE OUTIN TWO WEEKS, CALLED
- 00:13:54.584 --> 00:13:56.386
- - ERIC: I WANNA GET YOU BACK
- 00:13:57.587 --> 00:13:58.354
- - ERIC: I WANNA GET YOU BACKON THIS PROGRAM,
- 00:13:58.354 --> 00:13:58.955
- ON THIS PROGRAM,DAVID, IF POSSIBLE,
- 00:13:58.955 --> 00:14:00.189
- DAVID, IF POSSIBLE,WHEN THAT BOOK COMES OUT,
- 00:14:00.189 --> 00:14:02.458
- WHEN THAT BOOK COMES OUT,BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING
- 00:14:02.458 --> 00:14:03.993
- BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHINGMORE IMPORTANT GENERALLY,
- 00:14:03.993 --> 00:14:05.728
- MORE IMPORTANT GENERALLY,AND CERTAINLY TODAY,
- 00:14:05.728 --> 00:14:06.963
- AND CERTAINLY TODAY,THAN UNDERSTANDING
- 00:14:06.963 --> 00:14:07.864
- THAN UNDERSTANDINGOUR HISTORY.
- 00:14:07.864 --> 00:14:09.132
- OUR HISTORY.YOU KNOW THAT I CAME TO
- 00:14:09.132 --> 00:14:10.433
- YOU KNOW THAT I CAME TOTHIS GAME A LITTLE BIT LATE.
- 00:14:10.433 --> 00:14:11.034
- THIS GAME A LITTLE BIT LATE.I NEVER THOUGHT I'D WRITE
- 00:14:11.034 --> 00:14:11.834
- I NEVER THOUGHT I'D WRITEBIOGRAPHIES.
- 00:14:11.834 --> 00:14:12.969
- BIOGRAPHIES.I DISCOVERED SOME OF THE
- 00:14:12.969 --> 00:14:14.804
- I DISCOVERED SOME OF THESAME THINGS THAT YOU'RE
- 00:14:14.804 --> 00:14:15.805
- SAME THINGS THAT YOU'RETALKING ABOUT IN THE
- 00:14:15.805 --> 00:14:17.340
- TALKING ABOUT IN THECOURSE OF WRITING MY BOOKS.
- 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:18.608
- COURSE OF WRITING MY BOOKS.WHEN I WROTE ABOUT
- 00:14:18.608 --> 00:14:19.609
- WHEN I WROTE ABOUTWILBERFORCE, I THOUGHT TO
- 00:14:19.609 --> 00:14:21.244
- WILBERFORCE, I THOUGHT TOMYSELF, "THIS IS AMAZING."
- 00:14:21.244 --> 00:14:22.679
- MYSELF, "THIS IS AMAZING."IN THE 18TH CENTURY, IN
- 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:23.980
- IN THE 18TH CENTURY, INENGLAND, EVERYBODY SAYS
- 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:25.214
- ENGLAND, EVERYBODY SAYSTHEY'RE A CHRISTIAN.
- 00:14:25.214 --> 00:14:26.649
- THEY'RE A CHRISTIAN.ALL THAT MEANT WAS "I'M
- 00:14:26.649 --> 00:14:27.483
- ALL THAT MEANT WAS "I'MNOT A JEW, I'M NOT A
- 00:14:27.483 --> 00:14:28.885
- NOT A JEW, I'M NOT AMOHAMMEDAN, I'M NOT A
- 00:14:28.885 --> 00:14:30.453
- MOHAMMEDAN, I'M NOT AFREE-THINKING ATHEIST, SO
- 00:14:30.453 --> 00:14:31.988
- FREE-THINKING ATHEIST, SOI GUESS I'M A CHRISTIAN."
- 00:14:31.988 --> 00:14:33.122
- I GUESS I'M A CHRISTIAN."AND THEY HAD A COMPLETELY
- 00:14:33.122 --> 00:14:35.124
- AND THEY HAD A COMPLETELYANTI-CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW
- 00:14:35.124 --> 00:14:37.393
- ANTI-CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEWWITH REGARD TO SLAVERY,
- 00:14:37.393 --> 00:14:38.261
- WITH REGARD TO SLAVERY,AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH,
- 00:14:38.261 --> 00:14:39.495
- AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH,AND IT TOOK THE
- 00:14:39.495 --> 00:14:41.564
- IT TOOK THE METHODISTS,
- 00:14:43.232 --> 00:14:44.067
- IT TOOK THE METHODISTS,THE "ENTHUSIASTS,"
- 00:14:44.067 --> 00:14:45.468
- THE "ENTHUSIASTS,"AS THEY WERE SCORNED
- 00:14:45.468 --> 00:14:46.069
- AS THEY WERE SCORNEDIN THOSE DAYS, TO SAY, "NO."
- 00:14:46.069 --> 00:14:47.937
- IN THOSE DAYS, TO SAY, "NO.""IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW WHAT
- 00:14:47.937 --> 00:14:48.504
- "IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW WHATTHE BIBLE SAYS," AND THE
- 00:14:48.504 --> 00:14:49.539
- THE BIBLE SAYS," AND THEQUAKERS, OF COURSE, AS
- 00:14:49.539 --> 00:14:50.740
- QUAKERS, OF COURSE, ASWELL, THEY SAID,
- 00:14:50.740 --> 00:14:51.908
- WELL, THEY SAID,"YOU'VE GOT TO ABOLISH
- 00:14:51.908 --> 00:14:52.775
- "YOU'VE GOT TO ABOLISHTHE SLAVE TRADE.
- 00:14:52.775 --> 00:14:53.776
- THE SLAVE TRADE.YOU'VE GOTTA ABOLISH SLAVERY."
- 00:14:53.776 --> 00:14:54.744
- YOU'VE GOTTA ABOLISH SLAVERY."- DAVID: YEAH,
- 00:14:54.744 --> 00:14:55.445
- - DAVID: YEAH,THAT'S ONE OF THE
- 00:14:55.445 --> 00:14:56.713
- THAT'S ONE OF THESIGNIFICANT THINGS IN
- 00:14:56.713 --> 00:14:57.246
- SIGNIFICANT THINGS INAMERICA IS, WE LOOK AT
- 00:14:57.246 --> 00:14:59.482
- AMERICA IS, WE LOOK ATPAST GENERATIONS THROUGH
- 00:14:59.482 --> 00:15:02.585
- PAST GENERATIONS THROUGHTODAY'S FILTER AND TODAY'S LENS,
- 00:15:02.585 --> 00:15:03.219
- TODAY'S FILTER AND TODAY'S LENS,AND YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.
- 00:15:03.219 --> 00:15:05.421
- THAT BACK IN GENESIS 9,
- 00:15:07.256 --> 00:15:08.758
- THAT BACK IN GENESIS 9,WHEN YOU SEE ABOUT NOAH,
- 00:15:08.758 --> 00:15:09.792
- WHEN YOU SEE ABOUT NOAH,AND GOD CHOSE NOAH, AND
- 00:15:09.792 --> 00:15:11.127
- AND GOD CHOSE NOAH, ANDTHE BIBLE IN GENESIS 9:6,
- 00:15:11.127 --> 00:15:12.962
- THE BIBLE IN GENESIS 9:6,SAYS THAT "NOAH WAS A
- 00:15:12.962 --> 00:15:14.864
- AND THEN IT SAYS,
- 00:15:16.666 --> 00:15:18.267
- AND THEN IT SAYS,"IN HIS GENERATION."
- 00:15:18.267 --> 00:15:18.868
- "IN HIS GENERATION."WE KNOW THAT NOAH HAD TROUBLE
- 00:15:18.868 --> 00:15:20.336
- WE KNOW THAT NOAH HAD TROUBLEWITH DRUNKENNESS AND OTHER
- 00:15:20.336 --> 00:15:21.671
- WITH DRUNKENNESS AND OTHERTHINGS AS WELL, BUT WHEN
- 00:15:21.671 --> 00:15:23.039
- THINGS AS WELL, BUT WHENYOU COMPARE HIM TO WHERE
- 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:24.674
- YOU COMPARE HIM TO WHEREHE WAS IN HIS DAY, HE WAS
- 00:15:24.674 --> 00:15:27.276
- HAPPENING IS WE'RE
- 00:15:29.612 --> 00:15:31.014
- HAPPENING IS WE'RECOMPARING OUR STANDARDS OF
- 00:15:31.014 --> 00:15:32.415
- COMPARING OUR STANDARDS OFTHE DAY AND TRYING TO
- 00:15:32.415 --> 00:15:33.116
- THE DAY AND TRYING TOIMPOSE THEM BACK.
- 00:15:33.116 --> 00:15:34.183
- IMPOSE THEM BACK.AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY
- 00:15:34.183 --> 00:15:35.151
- AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHYTHAT MATTERS 'CAUSE YOU
- 00:15:35.151 --> 00:15:37.453
- WE HAVE 5.500 YEARS OF
- 00:15:39.689 --> 00:15:41.491
- WE HAVE 5.500 YEARS OFRECORDED HISTORY AT THE
- 00:15:41.491 --> 00:15:43.626
- RECORDED HISTORY AT THETIME OF WILBERFORCE.
- 00:15:43.626 --> 00:15:44.560
- TIME OF WILBERFORCE.ENGLAND IS THE FIRST
- 00:15:44.560 --> 00:15:45.628
- ENGLAND IS THE FIRSTNATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE
- 00:15:45.628 --> 00:15:47.463
- NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THEWORLD TO ABOLISH SLAVERY,
- 00:15:47.463 --> 00:15:49.565
- WORLD TO ABOLISH SLAVERY,AND WE'RE TALKING 1833.
- 00:15:49.565 --> 00:15:51.267
- AND WE'RE TALKING 1833.PEOPLE THINK ABOLITION AND
- 00:15:51.267 --> 00:15:52.535
- PEOPLE THINK ABOLITION ANDEQUALITY HAS BEEN THE
- 00:15:52.535 --> 00:15:53.269
- EQUALITY HAS BEEN THESTATE OF THE WORLD ALL THE
- 00:15:53.269 --> 00:15:55.071
- WE'RE TALKING RECENT
- 00:15:56.406 --> 00:15:57.407
- WE'RE TALKING RECENTAMERICA, 1865, WHEN WE
- 00:15:57.407 --> 00:15:59.075
- AMERICA, 1865, WHEN WEPASSED THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
- 00:15:59.075 --> 00:16:00.410
- PASSED THE 13TH AMENDMENT.1865, WE WERE THE FOURTH
- 00:16:00.410 --> 00:16:03.012
- 1865, WE WERE THE FOURTHNATION IN THE WORLD TO
- 00:16:03.012 --> 00:16:04.213
- SO ABOLITION IS A
- 00:16:05.648 --> 00:16:06.682
- SO ABOLITION IS ARELATIVELY NEW THING IN
- 00:16:06.682 --> 00:16:08.718
- RELATIVELY NEW THING INTHE WORLD, AND, BY THE
- 00:16:08.718 --> 00:16:09.652
- THE WORLD, AND, BY THEWAY, THERE ARE 94 NATIONS
- 00:16:09.652 --> 00:16:12.922
- WHERE SLAVERY IS STILL LEGAL.
- 00:16:15.591 --> 00:16:16.926
- WHERE SLAVERY IS STILL LEGAL.SO HALF THE WORLD STILL
- 00:16:16.926 --> 00:16:18.027
- SO HALF THE WORLD STILLHAS LEGAL SLAVERY, AND
- 00:16:18.027 --> 00:16:18.895
- HAS LEGAL SLAVERY, ANDWE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT
- 00:16:18.895 --> 00:16:20.430
- WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUTAMERICA AND HOW THAT WE
- 00:16:20.430 --> 00:16:23.266
- IT TOOK US THAT LONG TO
- 00:16:24.434 --> 00:16:25.568
- IT TOOK US THAT LONG TOABOLISH-- NO, NO, WE'RE
- 00:16:25.568 --> 00:16:26.936
- ABOLISH-- NO, NO, WE'REONE OF THE LEADING NATIONS
- 00:16:26.936 --> 00:16:28.738
- ONE OF THE LEADING NATIONSIN THE WORLD IN SHOOTING
- 00:16:28.738 --> 00:16:29.906
- IN THE WORLD IN SHOOTINGFOR EQUALITY.
- 00:16:29.906 --> 00:16:30.973
- FOR EQUALITY.WE WERE NOT LATE TO THE PARTY.
- 00:16:30.973 --> 00:16:32.208
- WE WERE NOT LATE TO THE PARTY.WE WERE EARLY TO THE
- 00:16:32.208 --> 00:16:33.709
- WE WERE EARLY TO THEPARTY, NUMBER FOUR IN THE
- 00:16:33.709 --> 00:16:34.844
- AND, BY THE WAY, WE WERE
- 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:37.480
- AND, BY THE WAY, WE WERENUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD IN
- 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:38.281
- NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD INPASSING A LAW TO ABOLISH
- 00:16:38.281 --> 00:16:38.815
- PASSING A LAW TO ABOLISHTHE SLAVE TRADE.
- 00:16:38.815 --> 00:16:40.516
- THE SLAVE TRADE.THAT'S 1807.
- 00:16:40.516 --> 00:16:43.086
- THAT'S 1807.SO ALL THE NOTION THAT
- 00:16:43.086 --> 00:16:43.686
- SO ALL THE NOTION THATAMERICA IS INSTITUTIONALLY
- 00:16:43.686 --> 00:16:45.288
- AMERICA IS INSTITUTIONALLYRACIST, YOU GOTTA SEE WHAT
- 00:16:45.288 --> 00:16:46.422
- RACIST, YOU GOTTA SEE WHATTHE ATMOSPHERE WAS LIKE IN
- 00:16:46.422 --> 00:16:47.223
- THE ATMOSPHERE WAS LIKE INTHAT DAY.
- 00:16:47.223 --> 00:16:48.591
- THAT DAY.WE WERE LEADING THE WORLD
- 00:16:48.591 --> 00:16:49.992
- WE WERE LEADING THE WORLDIN A RIGHT DIRECTION IN
- 00:16:49.992 --> 00:16:50.493
- IN A RIGHT DIRECTION INTHAT DAY.
- 00:16:50.493 --> 00:16:52.028
- THAT DAY.NOW WE CAN LOOK BACK FROM
- 00:16:52.028 --> 00:16:52.795
- NOW WE CAN LOOK BACK FROMWHERE WE ARE TODAY AND SAY
- 00:16:52.795 --> 00:16:53.896
- WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND SAYWE WEREN'T PERFECT.
- 00:16:53.896 --> 00:16:54.564
- WE WEREN'T PERFECT.NO, WE WEREN'T, BUT WE'RE
- 00:16:54.564 --> 00:16:56.265
- NO, WE WEREN'T, BUT WE'RENOT THE RACIST NATION
- 00:16:56.265 --> 00:16:57.433
- NOT THE RACIST NATIONEVERYONE IS TRYING TO MAKE
- 00:16:57.433 --> 00:16:58.234
- EVERYONE IS TRYING TO MAKEUS OUT TO BE.
- 00:16:58.234 --> 00:16:59.469
- US OUT TO BE.WHEN YOU KNOW HISTORY,
- 00:16:59.469 --> 00:17:00.369
- WHEN YOU KNOW HISTORY,YOU SEE THAT VERY CLEAR.
- 00:17:00.369 --> 00:17:01.671
- YOU SEE THAT VERY CLEAR.WE HAVE INCIDENTS OF
- 00:17:01.671 --> 00:17:04.073
- WE HAVE INCIDENTS OFRACISM, NO QUESTION,
- 00:17:04.073 --> 00:17:04.841
- RACISM, NO QUESTION,BUT THE WAY IT'S PORTRAYED
- 00:17:04.841 --> 00:17:06.976
- - ERIC: AND IT NEEDS TO
- 00:17:09.011 --> 00:17:09.979
- - ERIC: AND IT NEEDS TOBE SAID ALSO, DAVID, THAT,
- 00:17:09.979 --> 00:17:10.480
- BE SAID ALSO, DAVID, THAT,YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY
- 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:11.314
- YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODYSAYS, "HEY, WHAT'S WRONG
- 00:17:11.314 --> 00:17:12.648
- SAYS, "HEY, WHAT'S WRONGWITH RACISM?"
- 00:17:12.648 --> 00:17:14.117
- WITH RACISM?"YOU AND I HAVE AN ANSWER.
- 00:17:14.117 --> 00:17:15.751
- YOU AND I HAVE AN ANSWER.WE KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH
- 00:17:15.751 --> 00:17:16.619
- WE KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITHIT AND WHY IT'S WRONG.
- 00:17:16.619 --> 00:17:17.920
- IT AND WHY IT'S WRONG.WE POINT TO THE BIBLE.
- 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:18.521
- WE POINT TO THE BIBLE.WE POINT TO THE GOD OF THE
- 00:17:18.521 --> 00:17:20.523
- WE POINT TO THE GOD OF THEBIBLE, WHO SAYS,
- 00:17:20.523 --> 00:17:21.824
- BIBLE, WHO SAYS,"I'M NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
- 00:17:21.824 --> 00:17:24.527
- THAT IS NOT THE VIEW OF
- 00:17:27.763 --> 00:17:29.332
- THAT IS NOT THE VIEW OFPEOPLE THAT WE WOULD CALL
- 00:17:29.332 --> 00:17:31.134
- PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD CALLA BLIND DARWINISTS OR A
- 00:17:31.134 --> 00:17:32.335
- A BLIND DARWINISTS OR ASECULAR HUMANIST.
- 00:17:32.335 --> 00:17:32.935
- SECULAR HUMANIST.THEY MAY SAY THEY'RE
- 00:17:32.935 --> 00:17:33.870
- THEY MAY SAY THEY'REAGAINST RACISM, BUT THEY
- 00:17:33.870 --> 00:17:36.639
- WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY, AND IT
- 00:17:38.741 --> 00:17:39.342
- WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY, AND ITSHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TO
- 00:17:39.342 --> 00:17:40.743
- SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TOFOLKS THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT
- 00:17:40.743 --> 00:17:41.544
- FOLKS THAT, IF YOU LOOK ATHISTORY, IT HAS BEEN THE
- 00:17:41.544 --> 00:17:44.647
- HISTORY, IT HAS BEEN THEOUTSPOKEN CHRISTIANS, THE
- 00:17:44.647 --> 00:17:45.882
- OUTSPOKEN CHRISTIANS, THEBIBLE-THUMPING CHRISTIANS,
- 00:17:45.882 --> 00:17:47.416
- BIBLE-THUMPING CHRISTIANS,WHO HAVE ALWAYS LED THE
- 00:17:47.416 --> 00:17:49.952
- WHO HAVE ALWAYS LED THEWAY TO ABOLISHING SLAVERY
- 00:17:49.952 --> 00:17:52.054
- WAY TO ABOLISHING SLAVERYAND TO LIFTING UP THOSE
- 00:17:52.054 --> 00:17:54.657
- - DAVID: YEAH, YOU WERE
- 00:17:55.725 --> 00:17:56.859
- - DAVID: YEAH, YOU WERETALKING ABOUT HOW THAT IT
- 00:17:56.859 --> 00:17:58.161
- TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT ITWAS CHRISTIANITY THAT
- 00:17:58.161 --> 00:18:00.329
- INTERESTINGLY, A NATIONAL
- 00:18:01.664 --> 00:18:02.231
- INTERESTINGLY, A NATIONALPOLL CAME OUT THIS WEEK,
- 00:18:02.231 --> 00:18:03.166
- POLL CAME OUT THIS WEEK,AND IT WAS QUITE SHOCKING
- 00:18:03.166 --> 00:18:05.034
- AND IT WAS QUITE SHOCKINGFOR THOSE WHO CONDUCTED IT.
- 00:18:05.034 --> 00:18:05.701
- FOR THOSE WHO CONDUCTED IT.THEY-- BASED ON BLACK
- 00:18:05.701 --> 00:18:06.702
- THEY-- BASED ON BLACKLIVES MATTER, THE QUESTION
- 00:18:06.702 --> 00:18:07.670
- LIVES MATTER, THE QUESTIONIS "DOES LIFE HAVE
- 00:18:07.670 --> 00:18:08.838
- IS "DOES LIFE HAVEINTRINSIC VALUE?
- 00:18:08.838 --> 00:18:09.972
- INTRINSIC VALUE?DO ALL LIVES MATTER?"
- 00:18:09.972 --> 00:18:12.074
- DO ALL LIVES MATTER?"ONLY ONE IN THREE
- 00:18:12.074 --> 00:18:13.576
- ONLY ONE IN THREEAMERICANS, ONLY 37% SAID
- 00:18:13.576 --> 00:18:15.011
- AMERICANS, ONLY 37% SAIDTHAT LIFE HAS INTRINSIC
- 00:18:15.011 --> 00:18:16.145
- THAT LIFE HAS INTRINSICVALUE.
- 00:18:16.145 --> 00:18:18.314
- VALUE.THOSE THAT WERE OF AN
- 00:18:18.314 --> 00:18:19.348
- THOSE THAT WERE OF ANEVOLUTIONARY VIEWPOINT
- 00:18:19.348 --> 00:18:21.184
- EVOLUTIONARY VIEWPOINTSAID, "NO, YOU WILL ATTAIN
- 00:18:21.184 --> 00:18:22.485
- SAID, "NO, YOU WILL ATTAINVALUE AT SOME POINT IN
- 00:18:22.485 --> 00:18:23.619
- VALUE AT SOME POINT INLIFE, BUT LIFE DOESN'T
- 00:18:23.619 --> 00:18:24.320
- LIFE, BUT LIFE DOESN'THAVE INTRINSIC VALUE."
- 00:18:24.320 --> 00:18:25.521
- HAVE INTRINSIC VALUE."THERE WERE ALL SORTS
- 00:18:25.521 --> 00:18:26.122
- THERE WERE ALL SORTSOF ANSWERS.
- 00:18:26.122 --> 00:18:27.690
- OF ANSWERS.INTERESTING: FOR THOSE WHO
- 00:18:27.690 --> 00:18:30.426
- INTERESTING: FOR THOSE WHOHAD A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,
- 00:18:30.426 --> 00:18:31.827
- HAD A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,93% OF THAT GROUP SAID,
- 00:18:31.827 --> 00:18:34.997
- ALL LIFE HAS WORTH."
- 00:18:36.699 --> 00:18:37.767
- ALL LIFE HAS WORTH."TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANS
- 00:18:37.767 --> 00:18:38.401
- TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANSDID NOT BELIEVE THAT
- 00:18:38.401 --> 00:18:38.768
- DID NOT BELIEVE THATLIFE HAS WORTH.
- 00:18:38.768 --> 00:18:39.902
- LIFE HAS WORTH.SO, AGAIN, THAT GOES TO
- 00:18:39.902 --> 00:18:41.571
- SO, AGAIN, THAT GOES TOTHE POINT YOU MADE: IF YOU
- 00:18:41.571 --> 00:18:42.505
- THE POINT YOU MADE: IF YOUHAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,
- 00:18:42.505 --> 00:18:44.807
- HAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
- 00:18:44.807 --> 00:18:45.975
- YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWOF LIFE AND EQUALITY.
- 00:18:45.975 --> 00:18:47.143
- OF LIFE AND EQUALITY.IF YOU HAVE A SECULAR
- 00:18:47.143 --> 00:18:48.578
- IF YOU HAVE A SECULARWORLDVIEW, YOU DON'T HAVE
- 00:18:48.578 --> 00:18:49.478
- WORLDVIEW, YOU DON'T HAVETHAT VIEW OF LIFE AND
- 00:18:49.478 --> 00:18:51.113
- - ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE,
- 00:18:52.315 --> 00:18:52.682
- - ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE,THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:18:52.682 --> 00:18:53.216
- THAT'S RIGHT.IN MY "BONHOEFFER" BOOK,
- 00:18:53.216 --> 00:18:54.717
- IN MY "BONHOEFFER" BOOK,I DISCOVERED THAT THE NAZIS
- 00:18:54.717 --> 00:18:56.452
- I DISCOVERED THAT THE NAZISHAD EXACTLY THAT WORLDVIEW,
- 00:18:56.452 --> 00:18:57.787
- HAD EXACTLY THAT WORLDVIEW,WHICH YOU DESCRIBED,
- 00:18:57.787 --> 00:19:00.556
- WHICH YOU DESCRIBED,TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANS
- 00:19:00.556 --> 00:19:02.825
- TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANSAS HAVING THAT SAYS,
- 00:19:02.825 --> 00:19:04.227
- AS HAVING THAT SAYS,"LIFE IS NOT INTRINSICALLY
- 00:19:04.227 --> 00:19:06.062
- SOME LIFE IS MORE VALUABLE
- 00:19:07.997 --> 00:19:09.332
- SOME LIFE IS MORE VALUABLETHAN OTHER LIFE, AND SOME
- 00:19:09.332 --> 00:19:11.734
- THAN OTHER LIFE, AND SOMELIFE HAS NO VALUE."
- 00:19:11.734 --> 00:19:13.769
- LIFE HAS NO VALUE."THAT'S THE KIND OF
- 00:19:13.769 --> 00:19:15.972
- THAT'S THE KIND OFDECLARATION YOU CAN MAKE
- 00:19:15.972 --> 00:19:17.907
- DECLARATION YOU CAN MAKEONLY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE
- 00:19:17.907 --> 00:19:19.342
- ONLY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVEIN THE BIBLE.
- 00:19:19.342 --> 00:19:21.477
- IN THE BIBLE.AND SO THERE ARE MANY
- 00:19:21.477 --> 00:19:22.712
- "WELL, I'M A CHRISTIAN,"
- 00:19:24.013 --> 00:19:24.847
- "WELL, I'M A CHRISTIAN,"BUT IT'S A MEANINGLESS
- 00:19:24.847 --> 00:19:26.215
- BUT IT'S A MEANINGLESSSTATEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE
- 00:19:26.215 --> 00:19:27.049
- STATEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RESUPPORTING A WORLDVIEW
- 00:19:27.049 --> 00:19:28.551
- SUPPORTING A WORLDVIEWTHAT IS ABSOLUTELY
- 00:19:28.551 --> 00:19:29.785
- THAT IS ABSOLUTELYCONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE
- 00:19:29.785 --> 00:19:30.953
- CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLESAYS, WHICH IS THAT EVERY
- 00:19:30.953 --> 00:19:34.724
- IN A COMA, AT THE END OF
- 00:19:36.592 --> 00:19:40.596
- IN A COMA, AT THE END OFLIFE, EVERYONE IS MADE IN
- 00:19:40.596 --> 00:19:42.198
- LIFE, EVERYONE IS MADE INTHE IMAGE OF GOD AND,
- 00:19:42.198 --> 00:19:44.066
- THE IMAGE OF GOD AND,THEREFORE, HAS
- 00:19:44.066 --> 00:19:45.868
- THEREFORE, HASINESTIMABLE, INFINITE
- 00:19:45.868 --> 00:19:48.070
- INESTIMABLE, INFINITEVALUE; IS SACRED BECAUSE
- 00:19:48.070 --> 00:19:48.638
- VALUE; IS SACRED BECAUSEWE'RE CREATED IN THE IMAGE
- 00:19:48.638 --> 00:19:49.472
- I WANNA ASK YOU, IT SEEMS
- 00:19:50.673 --> 00:19:52.408
- I WANNA ASK YOU, IT SEEMSTO ME THAT LINCOLN WAS
- 00:19:52.408 --> 00:19:53.876
- TO ME THAT LINCOLN WASPARTICULARLY CHRISTIAN IN
- 00:19:53.876 --> 00:19:54.844
- PARTICULARLY CHRISTIAN INTHE WAY THAT HE DEALT WITH
- 00:19:54.844 --> 00:19:56.879
- THE WAY THAT HE DEALT WITHHIS DEFEATED ENEMY IN THE
- 00:19:56.879 --> 00:19:58.581
- WHEN HE GIVES HIS SECOND
- 00:20:00.149 --> 00:20:01.284
- WHEN HE GIVES HIS SECONDINAUGURAL, HE TALKS ABOUT
- 00:20:01.284 --> 00:20:03.853
- INAUGURAL, HE TALKS ABOUT"WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE."
- 00:20:03.853 --> 00:20:05.888
- "WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE."THERE WAS A GRACE AND A
- 00:20:05.888 --> 00:20:07.523
- THERE WAS A GRACE AND AGRANDEUR IN THE GRACE,
- 00:20:07.523 --> 00:20:10.026
- GRANDEUR IN THE GRACE,AND GRACIOUSNESS IN THE WAY
- 00:20:10.026 --> 00:20:11.761
- AND GRACIOUSNESS IN THE WAYTHAT HE DEALT WITH HIS
- 00:20:11.761 --> 00:20:12.428
- THAT HE DEALT WITH HISDEFEATED ENEMY IN THE
- 00:20:12.428 --> 00:20:14.764
- AND I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT
- 00:20:16.032 --> 00:20:17.667
- AND I SUBMIT TO YOU THATTHAT IS A PART OF THE
- 00:20:17.667 --> 00:20:19.835
- THAT IS A PART OF THEREASON THAT HE AND
- 00:20:19.835 --> 00:20:21.437
- REASON THAT HE ANDGRANT ALLOWED MANY OF
- 00:20:21.437 --> 00:20:22.705
- GRANT ALLOWED MANY OFTHESE CONFEDERATE
- 00:20:22.705 --> 00:20:24.240
- THESE CONFEDERATEMONUMENTS TO STAND BECAUSE
- 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:25.041
- MONUMENTS TO STAND BECAUSETHEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANNA
- 00:20:25.041 --> 00:20:26.575
- THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANNASHOVE THIS IN THEIR FACE.
- 00:20:26.575 --> 00:20:27.310
- SHOVE THIS IN THEIR FACE.WE DON'T WANT A SCORCHED
- 00:20:27.310 --> 00:20:27.677
- WE DON'T WANT A SCORCHEDEARTH POLICY.
- 00:20:27.677 --> 00:20:28.811
- EARTH POLICY.THIS IS NOT SHERMAN'S
- 00:20:28.811 --> 00:20:30.479
- THIS IS NOT SHERMAN'SMARCH TO THE SEA.
- 00:20:30.479 --> 00:20:31.047
- MARCH TO THE SEA.WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THESE
- 00:20:31.047 --> 00:20:34.950
- WHICH REALLY HAS ALWAYS
- 00:20:36.052 --> 00:20:37.253
- WHICH REALLY HAS ALWAYSBEEN THE AMERICAN WAY,
- 00:20:37.253 --> 00:20:38.321
- BEEN THE AMERICAN WAY,CERTAINLY THE CHRISTIAN WAY,
- 00:20:38.321 --> 00:20:39.088
- CERTAINLY THE CHRISTIAN WAY,AND THAT'S WHY A LOT
- 00:20:39.088 --> 00:20:41.957
- - DAVID: THERE'S NO
- 00:20:44.360 --> 00:20:44.927
- - DAVID: THERE'S NOQUESTION THAT CHRISTIAN
- 00:20:44.927 --> 00:20:45.594
- QUESTION THAT CHRISTIANFAITH SHAPED THE WAY THAT
- 00:20:45.594 --> 00:20:47.096
- FAITH SHAPED THE WAY THATABRAHAM LINCOLN APPROACHED
- 00:20:47.096 --> 00:20:47.596
- ABRAHAM LINCOLN APPROACHEDTHE ENEMY AND TRIED TO
- 00:20:47.596 --> 00:20:49.498
- THE ENEMY AND TRIED TORECONCILE THEM AT THE END
- 00:20:49.498 --> 00:20:51.133
- RECONCILE THEM AT THE ENDBECAUSE HE TRIED TO KEEP
- 00:20:51.133 --> 00:20:51.701
- BECAUSE HE TRIED TO KEEP'EM RECONCILED; WE HAD THE
- 00:20:51.701 --> 00:20:54.036
- 'EM RECONCILED; WE HAD THESPLIT; HE TRIED TO BRING
- 00:20:54.036 --> 00:20:56.305
- HE DID ALL SORTS OF THINGS
- 00:20:58.040 --> 00:20:58.607
- HE DID ALL SORTS OF THINGSTHAT PROBABLY WE THINK HE
- 00:20:58.607 --> 00:20:59.775
- THAT PROBABLY WE THINK HESHOULDN'T HAVE GONE THAT
- 00:20:59.775 --> 00:21:00.543
- SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE THATFAR, BUT HE WAS TRYING TO
- 00:21:00.543 --> 00:21:01.577
- FAR, BUT HE WAS TRYING TORECONCILE.
- 00:21:01.577 --> 00:21:03.212
- RECONCILE.AND SO THAT PASSAGE OUT OF
- 00:21:03.212 --> 00:21:04.280
- AND SO THAT PASSAGE OUT OF1 CORINTHIANS ABOUT A
- 00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:05.214
- 1 CORINTHIANS ABOUT AMINISTRY OF
- 00:21:05.214 --> 00:21:06.015
- MINISTRY OFRECONCILIATION, HE TOOK
- 00:21:06.015 --> 00:21:07.116
- RECONCILIATION, HE TOOKVERY SERIOUSLY.
- 00:21:07.116 --> 00:21:08.017
- VERY SERIOUSLY.AND, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A
- 00:21:08.017 --> 00:21:10.853
- AND, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE AGREAT LETTER WRITTEN BY
- 00:21:10.853 --> 00:21:12.021
- GREAT LETTER WRITTEN BYTHE PASTOR OF ABRAHAM
- 00:21:12.021 --> 00:21:12.988
- THE PASTOR OF ABRAHAMLINCOLN, TALKING ABOUT HOW
- 00:21:12.988 --> 00:21:13.989
- LINCOLN, TALKING ABOUT HOWABRAHAM LINCOLN CAME TO
- 00:21:13.989 --> 00:21:16.559
- AND HOW THE PASTOR
- 00:21:18.027 --> 00:21:18.594
- AND HOW THE PASTORMENTORED HIM AND HOW THAT
- 00:21:18.594 --> 00:21:19.028
- MENTORED HIM AND HOW THATSHAPED WHAT HE DID.
- 00:21:19.028 --> 00:21:20.663
- SHAPED WHAT HE DID.SO, AS HE'S COMING INTO
- 00:21:20.663 --> 00:21:22.098
- SO, AS HE'S COMING INTOTHE PRESIDENCY, HE'S STILL
- 00:21:22.098 --> 00:21:23.666
- THE PRESIDENCY, HE'S STILLA FAIRLY YOUNG, ZEALOUS
- 00:21:23.666 --> 00:21:26.736
- A FAIRLY YOUNG, ZEALOUSCHRISTIAN, WHO HAS REALLY
- 00:21:26.736 --> 00:21:27.703
- CHRISTIAN, WHO HAS REALLYSTUDIED THE BIBLE VERY
- 00:21:27.703 --> 00:21:28.304
- STUDIED THE BIBLE VERYTHOROUGHLY, AND I THINK
- 00:21:28.304 --> 00:21:29.905
- THOROUGHLY, AND I THINKTHAT REALLY DID AFFECT
- 00:21:29.905 --> 00:21:32.074
- WE HAVE TESTIMONY FROM
- 00:21:34.677 --> 00:21:36.612
- WE HAVE TESTIMONY FROMEVEN CLERGY THAT IT WAS
- 00:21:36.612 --> 00:21:37.279
- EVEN CLERGY THAT IT WASFIRST IN 1863,
- 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:39.048
- FIRST IN 1863,WHEN LINCOLN PROFESSED OPENLY
- 00:21:39.048 --> 00:21:40.850
- WHEN LINCOLN PROFESSED OPENLYTHAT PROFESSION OF
- 00:21:40.850 --> 00:21:41.584
- THAT PROFESSION OFFAITH IN CHRIST.
- 00:21:41.584 --> 00:21:42.618
- FAITH IN CHRIST.HE HAD COME TO FAITH
- 00:21:42.618 --> 00:21:43.953
- HE HAD COME TO FAITHEARLIER, BUT HE FIRST
- 00:21:43.953 --> 00:21:45.121
- EARLIER, BUT HE FIRSTPROFESSED IT IN 1863, AND
- 00:21:45.121 --> 00:21:47.089
- PROFESSED IT IN 1863, ANDTHEN YOU SEE THAT 1864
- 00:21:47.089 --> 00:21:48.758
- THEN YOU SEE THAT 1864SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS,
- 00:21:48.758 --> 00:21:50.192
- SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS,OH, MY GOSH, IT'S BETTER
- 00:21:50.192 --> 00:21:51.427
- OH, MY GOSH, IT'S BETTERTHAN MANY SERMONS WE'LL
- 00:21:51.427 --> 00:21:53.429
- THAN MANY SERMONS WE'LLEVER HEAR IN OUR LIFETIME.
- 00:21:53.429 --> 00:21:54.196
- EVER HEAR IN OUR LIFETIME.IT'S MORE BIBLICAL.
- 00:21:54.196 --> 00:21:54.764
- IT'S MORE BIBLICAL.SO I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY
- 00:21:54.764 --> 00:21:55.798
- SO I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLYRIGHT, ERIC.
- 00:21:55.798 --> 00:21:57.199
- RIGHT, ERIC.IT WAS HIS BIBLICAL VIEW
- 00:21:57.199 --> 00:21:59.135
- IT WAS HIS BIBLICAL VIEWTHAT BROUGHT HIM TO ACT
- 00:21:59.135 --> 00:22:00.169
- THAT BROUGHT HIM TO ACTTHE WAY HE DID AND TRY TO
- 00:22:00.169 --> 00:22:02.037
- THE WAY HE DID AND TRY TOHAVE SOME GRACE AND
- 00:22:02.037 --> 00:22:03.506
- HAVE SOME GRACE ANDACCOMMODATION FOR AN ENEMY
- 00:22:03.506 --> 00:22:04.106
- ACCOMMODATION FOR AN ENEMYTHAT HAD BEEN DEFEATED.
- 00:22:04.106 --> 00:22:05.408
- THAT HAD BEEN DEFEATED.- ERIC: I WONDER IF THAT
- 00:22:05.408 --> 00:22:07.176
- - ERIC: I WONDER IF THATCAN SERVE AS A PRECEDENT
- 00:22:07.176 --> 00:22:09.779
- CAN SERVE AS A PRECEDENTFOR REMOVING SOME OF OUR
- 00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:11.447
- FOR REMOVING SOME OF OURCONFEDERATE PAST, IN OTHER
- 00:22:11.447 --> 00:22:13.048
- CONFEDERATE PAST, IN OTHERWORDS, THE IDEA OF
- 00:22:13.048 --> 00:22:14.016
- WORDS, THE IDEA OFTHINKING ABOUT THE WEAKER
- 00:22:14.016 --> 00:22:15.818
- THE GRACIOUSNESS THAT THE
- 00:22:18.087 --> 00:22:19.188
- THE GRACIOUSNESS THAT THENORTH EXHIBITED IN DEALING
- 00:22:19.188 --> 00:22:19.855
- NORTH EXHIBITED IN DEALINGWITH THE DEFEATED SOUTH
- 00:22:19.855 --> 00:22:21.123
- WITH THE DEFEATED SOUTHTHAT ALLOWED THESE
- 00:22:21.123 --> 00:22:22.291
- THAT ALLOWED THESECONFEDERATE STATUES TO
- 00:22:22.291 --> 00:22:23.559
- CONFEDERATE STATUES TOSTAND, I SUPPOSE WE CAN
- 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.529
- STAND, I SUPPOSE WE CANTHINK ABOUT IT BOTH WAYS
- 00:22:26.529 --> 00:22:27.863
- THINK ABOUT IT BOTH WAYSIN THAT SOME PEOPLE COULD
- 00:22:27.863 --> 00:22:28.931
- IN THAT SOME PEOPLE COULDSAY, "LOOK, WHAT THEY DID
- 00:22:28.931 --> 00:22:30.332
- SAY, "LOOK, WHAT THEY DIDWAS TREASONOUS, AND WE
- 00:22:30.332 --> 00:22:32.301
- WAS TREASONOUS, AND WEOUGHT NOT TO HOLD THEM UP."
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- OUGHT NOT TO HOLD THEM UP."SO THERE'S A LOT TO
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- SO THERE'S A LOT TOBE SAID ON THAT, BUT I DO
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- BE SAID ON THAT, BUT I DOTHINK PEOPLE NEED TO
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- THINK PEOPLE NEED TOUNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION
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- UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATIONOF WHY THE NORTH DID NOT
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- OF WHY THE NORTH DID NOTDESTROY THE SOUTH AND
- 00:22:40.976 --> 00:22:42.178
- DESTROY THE SOUTH ANDSHOVE IT IN THEIR FACE
- 00:22:42.178 --> 00:22:44.680
- SHOVE IT IN THEIR FACEBECAUSE THEY SAID,
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- BECAUSE THEY SAID,"WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
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- "WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.IT'S TIME TO COME TOGETHER."
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- IT'S TIME TO COME TOGETHER."AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
- 00:22:48.083 --> 00:22:49.051
- AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANTPART OF OUR HISTORY,
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- PART OF OUR HISTORY,AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
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- AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOWTHAT ABOUT LINCOLN.
- 00:22:50.653 --> 00:22:51.487
- THAT ABOUT LINCOLN.I MEAN, WHAT HE DID, WHEN
- 00:22:51.487 --> 00:22:52.555
- I MEAN, WHAT HE DID, WHENI THINK ABOUT LINCOLN,
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- I THINK ABOUT LINCOLN,I JUST THINK, MY GOODNESS,
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- I JUST THINK, MY GOODNESS,WHAT OTHER PRESIDENT COULD
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- WHAT OTHER PRESIDENT COULDHAVE BEEN SO MAGNANIMOUS
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- HAVE BEEN SO MAGNANIMOUSAND COULD'VE BEHAVED IN
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- AND IF HE HADN'T BEEN A
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- AND IF HE HADN'T BEEN ACHRISTIAN, HOW WOULD HE
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- CHRISTIAN, HOW WOULD HEHAVE BEHAVED?
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- HAVE BEHAVED?AND WE'VE JUST GOT 30
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- AND WE'VE JUST GOT 30SECONDS LEFT, DAVID.
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- - DAVID: YEAH, THE FINAL
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- - DAVID: YEAH, THE FINALTHOUGHT IS THAT A BIBLICAL
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- THOUGHT IS THAT A BIBLICALVIEW IS WHAT SOLVES MOST
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- VIEW IS WHAT SOLVES MOSTOF THESE PROBLEMS.
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- OF THESE PROBLEMS.THE SECULAR VIEW DOES NOT.
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- THE SECULAR VIEW DOES NOT.AND SO THE COMBINATION OF
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- AND SO THE COMBINATION OFUNDERSTANDING THE WEAKER
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- UNDERSTANDING THE WEAKERBROTHER AND WHAT OFFENDS
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- FROM A CHRISTIAN STANDPOINT,
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- FROM A CHRISTIAN STANDPOINT,I'M GONNA HELP THAT,
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- I'M GONNA HELP THAT,BUT AT THE SAME
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- BUT AT THE SAMETIME, I STILL WANT TRUTH,
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- TIME, I STILL WANT TRUTH,AND BALANCING THOSE TWO IS
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- AND BALANCING THOSE TWO ISTHE REAL DIFFICULTY
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- THE REAL DIFFICULTYAMERICA HAS TODAY.
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- AMERICA HAS TODAY.- ERIC: BRILLIANTLY PUT,
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- - ERIC: BRILLIANTLY PUT,MY FRIEND.
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- MY FRIEND.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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- THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK AS
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- WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK ASSOON AS POSSIBLE.
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- SOON AS POSSIBLE.- DAVID: LOOK FORWARD TO
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- - DAVID: LOOK FORWARD TOIT, ERIC.
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- [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC]♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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- ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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- ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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- ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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- ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
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- ♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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- ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
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- ♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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- ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
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