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July 3, 2020

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- ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM IS
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- ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM ISSPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD,
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SPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD,GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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[MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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[SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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[WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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[DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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[BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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[REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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[PLOP][WHOOSH]
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[WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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[MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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- MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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[MUSIC][BOINK]
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[BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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[ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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[BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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[MUSIC][CRASH]
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- ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,
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- ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,FOLKS.
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FOLKS.WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.I HAVE AS MY GUEST TODAY,
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I HAVE AS MY GUEST TODAY,DAVID BARTON.
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DAVID BARTON.HE'S WITH WALLBUILDERS.
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HE'S WITH WALLBUILDERS.DAVID, THRILLED TO HAVE YOU.
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DAVID, THRILLED TO HAVE YOU.WHEN I THINK HISTORY, WHEN
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WHEN I THINK HISTORY, WHENI THINK AMERICAN HISTORY,
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I THINK AMERICAN HISTORY,I THINK OF YOU, AND I'M SO
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I THINK OF YOU, AND I'M SOGLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GET
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GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GETYOU BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING
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YOU BECAUSE WE ARE HAVINGA TOUGH TIME IN THIS COUNTRY.
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A TOUGH TIME IN THIS COUNTRY.THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE
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THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLETRYIN' TO TEAR DOWN HISTORY.
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TRYIN' TO TEAR DOWN HISTORY.THERE ARE MIXED MOTIVES.
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THERE ARE MIXED MOTIVES.IT'S COMPLICATED.
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IT'S COMPLICATED.THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDES
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THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDESTO THE ISSUE.
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TO THE ISSUE.BUT WHAT'S YOUR OPINION OF
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BUT WHAT'S YOUR OPINION OFWHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?
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WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?- DAVID BARTON: WELL,
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- DAVID BARTON: WELL,THIS IS A GREAT
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THIS IS A GREATILLUSTRATION OF HOW LITTLE
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ILLUSTRATION OF HOW LITTLEWE KNOW ABOUT OUR OWN HISTORY.
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WE KNOW ABOUT OUR OWN HISTORY.AS YOU LOOK AT-- I'M JUST
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AS YOU LOOK AT-- I'M JUSTSURPRISED EVEN AS I SEE
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SURPRISED EVEN AS I SEESTATUES COMING DOWN, NOT
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STATUES COMING DOWN, NOTJUST THOSE RELATED TO
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BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE
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BUT HOW MANY OF THOSESTATUES ARE ACTUALLY OF
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STATUES ARE ACTUALLY OFANTIRACIST KIND OF FOLKS.
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ANTIRACIST KIND OF FOLKS.I MEAN, TO TEAR DOWN THE
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I MEAN, TO TEAR DOWN THEMASS 54TH STATUE--
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MASS 54TH STATUE--OH, MY GOSH.
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OH, MY GOSH.I MEAN, THAT'S THE 2ND
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I MEAN, THAT'S THE 2NDBLACK REGIMENT OF THE
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BLACK REGIMENT OF THECIVIL WAR.
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CIVIL WAR.TO TEAR DOWN THE STATUE IN
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TO TEAR DOWN THE STATUE INMINNESOTA OF THE GUY.
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MINNESOTA OF THE GUY.IT'S A MONUMENT TO THOSE
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IT'S A MONUMENT TO THOSEWHO WERE LYNCHED, RACIALLY
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WHO WERE LYNCHED, RACIALLYLYNCHED.
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LYNCHED.THEY'RE TEARING THAT DOWN.
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THEY'RE TEARING THAT DOWN.THEY'RE JUST TEARING
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THEY'RE JUST TEARINGANYTHING DOWN WITH HISTORY
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ANYTHING DOWN WITH HISTORYTHEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
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THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.THEY'RE TEARING DOWN
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THEY'RE TEARING DOWNULYSSES S. GRANT MONUMENT.
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ULYSSES S. GRANT MONUMENT.THAT'S CRAZY.
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THAT'S CRAZY.- ERIC: I HADN'T HEARD
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- ERIC: I HADN'T HEARDABOUT THE FIRST TWO THAT
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WHERE ARE THEY?
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WHERE ARE THEY?AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE
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AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT MOREABOUT THOSE.
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ABOUT THOSE.THE MASSACHUSETTS 54--
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THE MASSACHUSETTS 54--WHAT IS THAT?
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- DAVID: THE MASS 54TH IS
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- DAVID: THE MASS 54TH ISA MONUMENT IN BOSTON, AND
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A MONUMENT IN BOSTON, ANDTHE MASS 54TH WAS A BLACK
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THE MASS 54TH WAS A BLACKREGIMENT IN THE CIVIL WAR
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REGIMENT IN THE CIVIL WARTHAT FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY.
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THAT FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY.IT WAS FOUNDED BY
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IT WAS FOUNDED BYFREDERICK DOUGLASS, ONE OF
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FREDERICK DOUGLASS, ONE OFTWO REGIMENTS HE FOUNDED.
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TWO REGIMENTS HE FOUNDED.AND SO FREDERICK DOUGLASS
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AND SO FREDERICK DOUGLASSRECRUITED BLACK MEN TO GO
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RECRUITED BLACK MEN TO GOFIGHT FOR THEIR OWN
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FIGHT FOR THEIR OWNFREEDOM AND LIBERTY.
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FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT
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IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANTUNIT.
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UNIT.IT FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE
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IT FOUGHT IN THE BATTLEOF FORT WAGNER, AND THAT'S
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OF FORT WAGNER, AND THAT'SWHERE ACTUALLY THE NATION
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WHERE ACTUALLY THE NATIONLEARNED, "HEY, BLACKS AND
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LEARNED, "HEY, BLACKS ANDWHITES ARE EQUAL.
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WHITES ARE EQUAL.THESE GUYS ARE GREAT SOLDIERS.
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THESE GUYS ARE GREAT SOLDIERS.THEY'RE GREAT WARRIORS.
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THEY'RE GREAT WARRIORS.LET 'EM FIGHT."
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LET 'EM FIGHT."AND SO THE MASS 54TH
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AND SO THE MASS 54THBECAME A VERY SIGNIFICANT
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BECAME A VERY SIGNIFICANTUNIT,
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UNIT,AND A MONUMENT IN BOSTON TO
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AND A MONUMENT IN BOSTON TOTHE MASS 54TH, WHICH IS A
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THE MASS 54TH, WHICH IS AMONUMENT OF EQUALITY,
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MONUMENT OF EQUALITY,WAS ATTACKED AND DEFACED,
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WAS ATTACKED AND DEFACED,BUT WE'RE SEEIN' THAT GOIN'
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BUT WE'RE SEEIN' THAT GOIN'ACROSS THERE.
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ACROSS THERE.BY THE WAY, THEY'RE
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BY THE WAY, THEY'RETEARING DOWN THE STATUE OF
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TEARING DOWN THE STATUE OFABRAHAM LINCOLN IN BOSTON
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ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN BOSTONAS WELL.
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AS WELL.NOW, TELL ME HOW ABRAHAM
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NOW, TELL ME HOW ABRAHAMLINCOLN IS A RACIST IN ANY
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LINCOLN IS A RACIST IN ANYWAY, SHAPE, FASHION, OR
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WAY, SHAPE, FASHION, ORFORM, BUT WE'RE EVEN
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FORM, BUT WE'RE EVENTEARIN' DOWN THE STATUE OF
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- ERIC: HE'S A WHITE GUY,
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- ERIC: HE'S A WHITE GUY,AND IF SOMEBODY IS CRAZY
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AND IF SOMEBODY IS CRAZYENOUGH TO USE THAT AS
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ENOUGH TO USE THAT ASTHEIR ARBITER, YOU KNOW,
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THEIR ARBITER, YOU KNOW,THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT WHEN
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THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT WHENYOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEMASS 54TH, MY QUESTION IS,
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MASS 54TH, MY QUESTION IS,HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT
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HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THATANYONE COULD DO THAT?
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ANYONE COULD DO THAT?I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IF
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I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IFSOMEBODY IS UNHINGED, AND
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SOMEBODY IS UNHINGED, ANDTHEY'RE DOING IRRATIONAL
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THEY'RE DOING IRRATIONALTHINGS, BUT THIS IS A
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THINGS, BUT THIS IS ALEVEL OF IRRATIONALITY
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LEVEL OF IRRATIONALITYTHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M--
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THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M--YOU ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE
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YOU ALWAYS LOOK FOR THETHREAT OF RATIONALITY WITHIN
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THREAT OF RATIONALITY WITHINTHE IRRATIONALITY.
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THE IRRATIONALITY.I CAN UNDERSTAND IF
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I CAN UNDERSTAND IFSOMEBODY, AS I SAY, TEARS
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SOMEBODY, AS I SAY, TEARSDOWN GRANT OR LINCOLN OUT
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DOWN GRANT OR LINCOLN OUTOF PURE IGNORANCE, THAT
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OF PURE IGNORANCE, THATTHESE WERE WHITE LEADERS,
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THESE WERE WHITE LEADERS,AND WE WANNA TEAR THEM
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AND WE WANNA TEAR THEMDOWN JUST BECAUSE WE'RE
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DOWN JUST BECAUSE WE'REBEING VAGUE AND SLOPPY,
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BEING VAGUE AND SLOPPY,BUT CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN,
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BUT CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN,DID ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY
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DID ANYONE EXPLAIN WHYTHEY WOULD TEAR DOWN THE
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THEY WOULD TEAR DOWN THESTATUE OF MASSACHUSETTS 54TH?
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STATUE OF MASSACHUSETTS 54TH?AND TWO OTHER QUICK
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AND TWO OTHER QUICKQUESTIONS: IS THIS THE
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QUESTIONS: IS THIS THEREGIMENT THAT WAS IN THE
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REGIMENT THAT WAS IN THEMOVIE "GLORY," WITH
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MOVIE "GLORY," WITHDENZEL WASHINGTON AND
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- DAVID: IT IS.
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- DAVID: IT IS.- ERIC: AND THEN THE
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- ERIC: AND THEN THETHIRD QUESTION IS--
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THIRD QUESTION IS--I'M STUNNED THE MEDIA
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I'M STUNNED THE MEDIAHASN'T REPORTED ON THIS.
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HASN'T REPORTED ON THIS.I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT
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I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUTTHIS UNTIL JUST NOW WHEN
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THIS UNTIL JUST NOW WHENYOU SAID IT.
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YOU SAID IT.SO THAT'S, LIKE, THE
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SO THAT'S, LIKE, THEBIGGEST NEWS OF ALL THAT
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- DAVID: YEAH, IT IS.
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- DAVID: YEAH, IT IS.AND, BY THE WAY, THIS IS
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AND, BY THE WAY, THIS ISTHE REGIMENT THAT WAS IN
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THE REGIMENT THAT WAS INTHE MOVIE "GLORY."
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THE MOVIE "GLORY."SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS
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SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WASFEATURED THERE.
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FEATURED THERE.THIS WAS A BREAKTHROUGH
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THIS WAS A BREAKTHROUGHUNIT IN THE CIVIL WAR THAT
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UNIT IN THE CIVIL WAR THATREALLY, KIND OF, BROUGHT
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REALLY, KIND OF, BROUGHTEQUALITY TO THE MILITARY.
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THE REASON THEY'RE DOING
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THE REASON THEY'RE DOINGTHIS, THE BEST I CAN SAY
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THIS, THE BEST I CAN SAYIS THEY'RE COMPLETELY
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IS THEY'RE COMPLETELYIGNORANT OF HISTORY
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IGNORANT OF HISTORYBECAUSE THEY'RE TEARING
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BECAUSE THEY'RE TEARINGDOWN SO MANY RACIAL
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DOWN SO MANY RACIALEQUALITY ADVOCATES, AND
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EQUALITY ADVOCATES, ANDTHEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHO
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THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHOTHEY ARE.
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THEY ARE.THEY JUST ASSUME, IF IT'S
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AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAME
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AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAMETHING I WOULD POINT TO,
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THING I WOULD POINT TO,I MENTIONED THAT MONUMENT
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I MENTIONED THAT MONUMENTIN MINNESOTA.
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IN MINNESOTA.IT'S ERECTED TO HONOR
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IT'S ERECTED TO HONORTHOSE WHO DIED FROM
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THOSE WHO DIED FROMLYNCHINGS.
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LYNCHINGS.IT'S A MONUMENT AGAINST
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IT'S A MONUMENT AGAINSTRACIAL INJUSTICE, AND THEY
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RACIAL INJUSTICE, AND THEYDEFACED THAT-- AND TEAR
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DEFACED THAT-- AND TEARDOWN A MONUMENT AGAINST
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DOWN A MONUMENT AGAINSTLYNCHING?
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SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A
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SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS AGREAT-- THIS IS A DISPLAY
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GREAT-- THIS IS A DISPLAYOF AMERICAN EDUCATION AT
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OF AMERICAN EDUCATION ATWORK BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE
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WORK BECAUSE THESE PEOPLEKNOW NOTHING ABOUT
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KNOW NOTHING ABOUTHISTORY, ONE SIDE OR
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THEY'RE RESPONDIN' TO
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THEY'RE RESPONDIN' TOSOUND BITES AND MEMES AND
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SOUND BITES AND MEMES ANDPHRASES, AND THIS HAS NO
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PHRASES, AND THIS HAS NOTHINKING BEHIND IT.
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALLKINDS OF PEOPLE TEARING
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KINDS OF PEOPLE TEARINGDOWN STATUES.
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DOWN STATUES.MOST OF WHOM, IT SEEMS TO
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MOST OF WHOM, IT SEEMS TOME, ARE WHITE ANTIFA
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ME, ARE WHITE ANTIFAMARXISTS, BLACK LIVES
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MARXISTS, BLACK LIVESMATTER ADVOCATES WHO ARE,
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MATTER ADVOCATES WHO ARE,IN FACT, MARXISTS, WHO
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IN FACT, MARXISTS, WHOHAVE HIJACKED THIS MOMENT
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HAVE HIJACKED THIS MOMENTOF STRIFE IN AMERICA.
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OF STRIFE IN AMERICA.THEY'VE HIJACKED IT,
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THEY'VE HIJACKED IT,AND THERE'S A DEEP CYNICISM,
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AND THERE'S A DEEP CYNICISM,AND IT'S VERY EVIL BECAUSE
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AND IT'S VERY EVIL BECAUSEIT'S CONFUSING, ON THE ONE
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IT'S CONFUSING, ON THE ONEHAND, WHAT IS AN IMPORTANT
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HAND, WHAT IS AN IMPORTANTISSUE, WHICH IS THE ISSUE
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ISSUE, WHICH IS THE ISSUEOF JUSTICE, THE ISSUE OF
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OF JUSTICE, THE ISSUE OF"DO WE HAVE A EQUAL
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"DO WE HAVE A EQUALJUSTICE UNDER THE LAW
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JUSTICE UNDER THE LAWFOR EVERYONE?"
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FOR EVERYONE?"DO WE HAVE A CORRUPTION IN
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DO WE HAVE A CORRUPTION INOUR POLICE SYSTEMS, WHICH
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OUR POLICE SYSTEMS, WHICHNEEDS TO BE ROOTED OUT,
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NEEDS TO BE ROOTED OUT,WHETHER IT'S RACIALLY
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WHETHER IT'S RACIALLYMOTIVATED OR NOT, ANY KIND
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MOTIVATED OR NOT, ANY KINDOF CORRUPTION?
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OF CORRUPTION?SO THERE'S SOME REAL
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SO THERE'S SOME REALISSUES HERE, BUT THERE ARE
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ISSUES HERE, BUT THERE AREPEOPLE WHO ARE SLOPPILY,
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PEOPLE WHO ARE SLOPPILY,OR I WOULD SAY, ACTUALLY,
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OR I WOULD SAY, ACTUALLY,IN THIS CASE, EVILLY
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IN THIS CASE, EVILLYINTENTIONALLY HIJACKING
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INTENTIONALLY HIJACKINGSOMETHING THAT NEEDS
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SOMETHING THAT NEEDSATTENTION TO JUST CAUSE
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ATTENTION TO JUST CAUSECHAOS, AND THE EXAMPLES
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CHAOS, AND THE EXAMPLESTHAT YOU'VE JUST GIVEN,
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THAT YOU'VE JUST GIVEN,I'M JUST AGHAST THAT THE
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I'M JUST AGHAST THAT THEMEDIA HAS NOT REPORTED ON
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SO HOW IS IT THAT THIS
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SO HOW IS IT THAT THISCAME TO YOUR ATTENTION?
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CAME TO YOUR ATTENTION?BECAUSE THIS IS THE
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BECAUSE THIS IS THECRAZIEST THING I HAVE
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CRAZIEST THING I HAVEHEARD OF, ALL THIS
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HEARD OF, ALL THISCRAZY STUFF.
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CRAZY STUFF.- DAVID: ANYTHING THAT IS
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- DAVID: ANYTHING THAT ISA MEMORIAL RIGHT NOW IS
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A MEMORIAL RIGHT NOW ISUNDER ATTACK:
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UNDER ATTACK:THE WORLD WAR I MEMORIAL,
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THE WORLD WAR I MEMORIAL,THE WORLD WAR II MEMORIAL,
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THE WORLD WAR II MEMORIAL,THE ABRAHAM LINCOLN MEMORIAL,
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THE ABRAHAM LINCOLN MEMORIAL,THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MEMORIAL,
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THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MEMORIAL,THE PIONEER, FATHERS OF OREGON,
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THE PIONEER, FATHERS OF OREGON,THE FOUNDERS,
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THE FOUNDERS,UNIVERSITY OF OREGON--
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UNIVERSITY OF OREGON--THEY TORE THOSE STATUES DOWN.
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THEY TORE THOSE STATUES DOWN.I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT'S A
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I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT'S ASTATUE RIGHT NOW HAS GOT
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STATUE RIGHT NOW HAS GOTTO GO, AND SO I KEEP A
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TO GO, AND SO I KEEP ALIST, A RUNNING LIST OF
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LIST, A RUNNING LIST OFALL THE STATUES THAT ARE
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ALL THE STATUES THAT AREBEING TORN DOWN, AND I
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BEING TORN DOWN, AND IKEEP PICTURES OF 'EM.
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KEEP PICTURES OF 'EM.I FILE THAT AWAY.
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I FILE THAT AWAY.IT IS AMAZING.
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IT IS AMAZING.ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY IS
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ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY ISUNDER ATTACK RIGHT NOW,
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UNDER ATTACK RIGHT NOW,AND THERE ARE EXTREMISTS,
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AND THERE ARE EXTREMISTS,BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS
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BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING ISTHE MEDIA IS NOT CALLING
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THE MEDIA IS NOT CALLINGTHEM OUT FOR IT.
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THEM OUT FOR IT.THE MEDIA IS NOT
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THE MEDIA IS NOTHIGHLIGHTING THE
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HIGHLIGHTING THERIDICULOUS THINGS THEY'RE
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RIDICULOUS THINGS THEY'REDOING, AND SO THEY'RE
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DOING, AND SO THEY'REREALLY KIND OF JUSTIFYING
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REALLY KIND OF JUSTIFYINGTHIS AS THE ANGER AND RAGE
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THIS AS THE ANGER AND RAGETHAT STEMS FROM RACIAL
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THAT STEMS FROM RACIALINJUSTICE, SYSTEMIC
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INJUSTICE, SYSTEMICRACISM, ET CETERA, BUT
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RACISM, ET CETERA, BUTIT'S WAY BEYOND THAT.
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IT'S WAY BEYOND THAT.IT IS WAY BEYOND ANY OF
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IT IS WAY BEYOND ANY OFTHAT DISCUSSION.
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THAT DISCUSSION.- ERIC: WE HAVE TO BE
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLEWHO HAVE HIJACKED PEACEFUL
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WHO HAVE HIJACKED PEACEFULPROTESTS AND WHO HAVE
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PROTESTS AND WHO HAVEHIJACKED WHAT WERE
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HIJACKED WHAT WERELEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES THAT
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LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES THATCAN BE DEALT WITH IN A
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CAN BE DEALT WITH IN ACERTAIN WAY.
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CERTAIN WAY.THEY'VE HIJACKED THAT FOR
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THEY'VE HIJACKED THAT FORTHEIR OWN ENDS.
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THEIR OWN ENDS.NOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKIN'
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NOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKIN'ABOUT WIPING OUT HISTORY,
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ABOUT WIPING OUT HISTORY,YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT
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YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THATTHAT IS ONE OF THE MOST
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THAT IS ONE OF THE MOSTEVIL THINGS ANYONE CAN
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EVIL THINGS ANYONE CANHAVE DONE, AND WHEN WE
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HAVE DONE, AND WHEN WELOOK AT HISTORY, TO SEE
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LOOK AT HISTORY, TO SEEWHO HAS TORN DOWN HISTORY,
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WHO HAS TORN DOWN HISTORY,WE THINK OF THE FRENCH
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WE THINK OF THE FRENCHREVOLUTION; WE CAN THINK
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REVOLUTION; WE CAN THINKOF THE TALIBAN BLOWING UP
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THERE'S A PARTICULAR KIND
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THERE'S A PARTICULAR KINDOF EVIL THAT WANTS TO
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OF EVIL THAT WANTS TODESTROY THE PAST SO THAT
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DESTROY THE PAST SO THATIT CAN REMAKE THE PRESENT
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IT CAN REMAKE THE PRESENTAND THE FUTURE IN ITS OWN
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AND THE FUTURE IN ITS OWNWICKED IMAGE, AND I KNOW
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THAT'S WHY YOU LOVE HISTORY.
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THAT'S WHY YOU LOVE HISTORY.- DAVID: YEAH, AND ONE OF
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- DAVID: YEAH, AND ONE OFTHE THINGS THAT WE POINT
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THE THINGS THAT WE POINTOUT IS YOU TEACH THE GOOD,
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YOU LEARN A LOT FROM THE
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YOU LEARN A LOT FROM THEBAD AND THE UGLY OF HISTORY.
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BAD AND THE UGLY OF HISTORY.I CAN POINT TO A STATUE OF
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I CAN POINT TO A STATUE OFNATHAN BEDFORD FORREST,
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NATHAN BEDFORD FORREST,WHO WAS A CONFEDERATE
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WHO WAS A CONFEDERATEGENERAL, AND I CAN TELL
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GENERAL, AND I CAN TELLYOU THAT HE MAY BE THE
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I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DID
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I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DIDAT FORT PILLOW.
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AT FORT PILLOW.I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DID
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I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE DIDIN STARTIN' THE KU KLUX KLAN.
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IN STARTIN' THE KU KLUX KLAN.AND AS LONG AS YOU LEAVE
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AND AS LONG AS YOU LEAVETHAT STATUE THERE, I CAN
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THAT STATUE THERE, I CANTELL YOU ABOUT ALL OF THE
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TELL YOU ABOUT ALL OF THEWICKEDNESS THAT CAME FROM HIM.
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WICKEDNESS THAT CAME FROM HIM.YOU TAKE THAT STATUE DOWN,
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YOU TAKE THAT STATUE DOWN,IT'S NOT THE SAME AS BEIN'
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IT'S NOT THE SAME AS BEIN'ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT
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SO I'M STRUCK WITH THE
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SO I'M STRUCK WITH THEFACT THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK
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FACT THAT, WHEN YOU LOOKAT ISRAEL, NOT ONLY DO YOU
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AT ISRAEL, NOT ONLY DO YOUHAVE ALL THESE STATUES OF
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HAVE ALL THESE STATUES OFKING DAVID, YOU'VE GOT
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ABSALOM-- ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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ABSALOM-- ARE YOU KIDDING ME?HE'S ONE OF THE WORST
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HE'S ONE OF THE WORSTINSURRECTION GUYS-- YEAH,
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INSURRECTION GUYS-- YEAH,BUT THAT HELPS THEM
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BUT THAT HELPS THEMREMEMBER THE GOOD GUYS,
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YOU LOOK IN GERMANY.
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YOU LOOK IN GERMANY.GERMANY, RIGHT NOW,
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GERMANY, RIGHT NOW,DESPITE WHAT THEY DID WITH
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DESPITE WHAT THEY DID WITHNAZIS, IS ONE OF THE MOST
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NAZIS, IS ONE OF THE MOSTANTI-NEO-NAZI NATIONS IN
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AND THEY STILL MAINTAIN
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AND THEY STILL MAINTAINMUSEUMS ON NAZISM TO TEACH
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MUSEUMS ON NAZISM TO TEACHTHE PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKS
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THE PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKSLIKE AND WHAT TO AVOID AND
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LIKE AND WHAT TO AVOID ANDWHAT NOT TO LET COME BACK.
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WHAT NOT TO LET COME BACK.AND SO THE NOTION OF
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AND SO THE NOTION OFDESTROYIN' ALL OF HISTORY,
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DESTROYIN' ALL OF HISTORY,YOU LOSE LESSONS THAT GO
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YOU LOSE LESSONS THAT GOWITH IT, AND THAT'S WHAT
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WITH IT, AND THAT'S WHATREALLY CONCERNS ME IS I
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REALLY CONCERNS ME IS ICAN LEARN AS MUCH FROM THE
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CAN LEARN AS MUCH FROM THEBAD AND THE UGLY AS I CAN
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BAD AND THE UGLY AS I CANFROM THE GOOD.
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FROM THE GOOD.- ERIC: THAT'S TRUE
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- ERIC: THAT'S TRUEALTHOUGH I THINK WE ALL
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ALTHOUGH I THINK WE ALLWOULD AGREE THAT LINES CAN
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WOULD AGREE THAT LINES CANBE DRAWN.
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BE DRAWN.WE DON'T HAVE A STATUE TO
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WE DON'T HAVE A STATUE TOADOLF HITLER.
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ADOLF HITLER.PEOPLE WOULD DRAW THE
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PEOPLE WOULD DRAW THELINE THERE.
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LINE THERE.BUT THERE ARE STATUES
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IT'S COMPLICATED.
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IT'S COMPLICATED.WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK.
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WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK.WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK.
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WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK.FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.
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FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.I'M TALKING TO
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I'M TALKING TODAVID BARTON.
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- ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I'M
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- ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I'MTALKING TO DAVID BARTON OF
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TALKING TO DAVID BARTON OFWALLBUILDERS.
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WALLBUILDERS.YOU CAN GO TO
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YOU CAN GO TOWALLBUILDERS.COM, AND FIND
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WALLBUILDERS.COM, AND FINDOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS
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TWO THINGS I WANNA COVER
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FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA TALK
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FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA TALKABOUT THE ROLE OF FAITH IN
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ABOUT THE ROLE OF FAITH INAMERICAN HISTORY.
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AMERICAN HISTORY.ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED,
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ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED,IN PART, BECAUSE OF YOU,
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IN PART, BECAUSE OF YOU,IS THE INEXTRICABLE BOND
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IS THE INEXTRICABLE BONDBETWEEN LIBERTY AND FAITH,
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BIBLICAL FAITH IN AMERICA,
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BIBLICAL FAITH IN AMERICA,HOW WE CANNOT HAVE THE
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HOW WE CANNOT HAVE THEFREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE,
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FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE,HOW WE CANNOT CARE ABOUT
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HOW WE CANNOT CARE ABOUTRACISM UNLESS WE
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RACISM UNLESS WEUNDERSTAND WE GOT ALL
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UNDERSTAND WE GOT ALLTHOSE GOOD IDEAS FROM
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THAT'S INCONTROVERTIBLE
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THAT'S INCONTROVERTIBLEBIBLICALLY.
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BIBLICALLY.I WANNA TOUCH ON THAT.
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I WANNA TOUCH ON THAT.AND THEN I ALSO WANNA
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AND THEN I ALSO WANNATOUCH ON THE HISTORY OF
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TOUCH ON THE HISTORY OFTHE END OF THE CIVIL WAR
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THE END OF THE CIVIL WARAND THE GRACIOUSNESS THAT
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AND THE GRACIOUSNESS THATLINCOLN AND GRANT SHOWED
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LINCOLN AND GRANT SHOWEDTO THEIR DEFEATED ENEMIES
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TO THEIR DEFEATED ENEMIESIN THE CONFEDERACY.
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IN THE CONFEDERACY.SO LET'S START WITH THE
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SO LET'S START WITH THEFIRST ONE AND LAY THE BASE
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FIRST ONE AND LAY THE BASESO FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHAT
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- DAVID: YEAH, WHEN YOU
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- DAVID: YEAH, WHEN YOUGO BACK TO THE FOUNDING OF
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GO BACK TO THE FOUNDING OFAMERICA, ACTUALLY, YOU
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AMERICA, ACTUALLY, YOUHAVE TWO MODELS.
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HAVE TWO MODELS.THERE WAS REALLY A VERY
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THERE WAS REALLY A VERYINTERESTING WALL MAP THAT
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SHOWING THE TWO STRANDS OF
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SHOWING THE TWO STRANDS OFTHOUGHT IN AMERICA, ONE
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THOUGHT IN AMERICA, ONEBAD, ONE GOOD, AND IT
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BAD, ONE GOOD, AND ITSHOWS THAT OUT OF
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SHOWS THAT OUT OFJAMESTOWN CAME SLAVERY AND
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JAMESTOWN CAME SLAVERY ANDINTOLERANCE AND CLASSISM
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INTOLERANCE AND CLASSISMAND RACISM, AND OUT OF
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AND RACISM, AND OUT OFPLYMOUTH CAME LIBERTY AND
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PLYMOUTH CAME LIBERTY ANDFREEDOM AND CONSTITUTIONAL
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FREEDOM AND CONSTITUTIONALGOVERNMENT,
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GOVERNMENT,BILLS OF RIGHTS, ET CETERA,
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BILLS OF RIGHTS, ET CETERA,AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS BOTH OF
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BUT JAMESTOWN
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BUT JAMESTOWNWAS NOT BIBLICAL.
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WAS NOT BIBLICAL.THEY PROFESSED
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THEY PROFESSEDCHRISTIANITY.
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CHRISTIANITY.THAT'S MUCH OF WHAT WE SEE
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THAT'S MUCH OF WHAT WE SEEIN AMERICA TODAY.
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IN AMERICA TODAY.SEVENTY-TWO PERCENT OF THE
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SEVENTY-TWO PERCENT OF THENATION PROFESSES CHRISTIANITY.
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NATION PROFESSES CHRISTIANITY.ONLY 6% HAVE A BIBLICAL
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ONLY 6% HAVE A BIBLICALWORLDVIEW.
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WORLDVIEW.IN OTHER WORDS, THEY LOOK
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IN OTHER WORDS, THEY LOOKAT THE WORLD THROUGH WHAT
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AT THE WORLD THROUGH WHATTHE BIBLE SAYS, WHICH IS
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THE BIBLE SAYS, WHICH ISWHY, IN MANY CATEGORIES,
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WHY, IN MANY CATEGORIES,YOU CANNOT TELL THE
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YOU CANNOT TELL THEDIFFERENCE BETWEEN
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DIFFERENCE BETWEENCHRISTIANS AND
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CHRISTIANS ANDNON-CHRISTIANS IN BEHAVIOR.
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THEY CAME WITH A CHRISTIAN
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THEY CAME WITH A CHRISTIANPROFESSION.
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PROFESSION.THEY HAD MINISTERS;
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THEY HAD MINISTERS;THEY SAID ALL THE RIGHT
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THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE BIBLE.
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THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE BIBLE.SO SLAVERY GETS STARTED
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SO SLAVERY GETS STARTEDTHERE, WE'RE TOLD, IN 1619.
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THERE, WE'RE TOLD, IN 1619.THAT'S THE 1619 PROJECT.
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THAT'S THE 1619 PROJECT.BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
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BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEPILGRIMS IN 1620,
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PILGRIMS IN 1620,IT'S INTERESTING: THE SECOND
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IT'S INTERESTING: THE SECONDLOAD OF SLAVES ARRIVED TO
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LOAD OF SLAVES ARRIVED TOTHE PILGRIMS,
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THE PILGRIMS,AND THEY QUOTED EXODUS ABOUT
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AND THEY QUOTED EXODUS ABOUTMAN-STEALING,
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MAN-STEALING,AND THEY FREED ALL THE SLAVES
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AND THEY FREED ALL THE SLAVESAND IMPRISONED THE SLAVE OWNERS.
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AND IMPRISONED THE SLAVE OWNERS.- ERIC: WAS THAT THE
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WHAT WAS THAT SHIP?
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WHAT WAS THAT SHIP?- DAVID: NO, THE
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- DAVID: NO, THE"SPEEDWELL" WAS ONE OF THE
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"SPEEDWELL" WAS ONE OF THESHIPS--
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SHIPS--IT WAS DESTINED TO COME OVER--
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IT WAS A SHIP THAT ARRIVED
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IT WAS A SHIP THAT ARRIVEDIN 1643, SO SLAVERY DIDN'T
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IN 1643, SO SLAVERY DIDN'TGET AN EARLY START IN AMERICA.
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GET AN EARLY START IN AMERICA.IT CAME 1643-- 1619 TO
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IT CAME 1643-- 1619 TOJAMESTOWN,
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JAMESTOWN,AND THEN 1643 TO PLYMOUTH.
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AND THEN 1643 TO PLYMOUTH.AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT
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AND IT'S INTERESTING THATHISTORICAL RECORDS MAKE
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HISTORICAL RECORDS MAKECLEAR THERE WAS NOT A TIME
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CLEAR THERE WAS NOT A TIMEIN MASSACHUSETTS HISTORY
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MATTER OF FACT, YOU FIND
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MATTER OF FACT, YOU FINDBLACKS BEING ELECTED TO
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BLACKS BEING ELECTED TOOFFICE, BACK IN 1768
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OFFICE, BACK IN 1768IN NEW HAMPSHIRE;
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IN NEW HAMPSHIRE;1793 IN PENNSYLVANIA.
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1793 IN PENNSYLVANIA.BLACKS WERE ELECTED TO
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BLACKS WERE ELECTED TOOFFICE IN THE BIBLICAL
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AND THE OTHER PORTION OF
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AND THE OTHER PORTION OFTHE COUNTRY, YOU'VE GOT
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THE COUNTRY, YOU'VE GOTTHIS RACISM AND THIS
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THIS RACISM AND THISDISTINCTION,
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DISTINCTION,"YOU'RE BLACK; WE'RE WHITE.
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"YOU'RE BLACK; WE'RE WHITE.YOU'RE INFERIOR;
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YOU'RE INFERIOR;WE'RE SUPERIOR."
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WE'RE SUPERIOR."THAT'S THE MODEL.
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THAT'S THE MODEL.THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY
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THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAYIS WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE
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WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
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WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEOTHER STUFF THAT HAPPENED
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OTHER STUFF THAT HAPPENEDWHICH IS-- AND THIS, BY
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WHICH IS-- AND THIS, BYTHE WAY, IS THE BASE OF
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THE WAY, IS THE BASE OFTHE CIVIL WAR.
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THE CIVIL WAR.YOU HAVE A MENTALITY IN THE
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YOU HAVE A MENTALITY IN THENORTH THAT SAYS "EQUALITY--
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DID YOU KNOW, IN 1793,
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DID YOU KNOW, IN 1793,JOHN HANCOCK HAD AN EQUALITY
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JOHN HANCOCK HAD AN EQUALITYBALL IN MASSACHUSETTS THAT
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BALL IN MASSACHUSETTS THATHONORED BLACKS ACROSS
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AN EQUALITY BALL BY THE
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AN EQUALITY BALL BY THEFOUNDING FATHERS IN 1793,
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FOUNDING FATHERS IN 1793,HONORING BLACKS?
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HONORING BLACKS?ABSOLUTELY.
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ABSOLUTELY.THAT'S THE PARTS OF
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THAT'S THE PARTS OFHISTORY WE'RE NOT GOING TO
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HISTORY WE'RE NOT GOING TOHEAR TODAY, WHICH IS WHY
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HEAR TODAY, WHICH IS WHYIT'S AMAZING TO SEE ALL
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IT'S AMAZING TO SEE ALLTHE STATUES OF FOUNDING
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THE STATUES OF FOUNDINGFATHERS BEING TORN DOWN
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FATHERS BEING TORN DOWNWHEN SO MANY OF THEM WERE
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WHEN SO MANY OF THEM WEREANTI-SLAVERY, EQUALITY GUYS.
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ANTI-SLAVERY, EQUALITY GUYS.- ERIC: IT'S A STUNNING
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- ERIC: IT'S A STUNNINGTHING, AND IT'S JUST GOOD
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THING, AND IT'S JUST GOODTO HAVE YOU ON TO CLARIFY
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TO HAVE YOU ON TO CLARIFYSOME OF THIS FOR US.
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SOME OF THIS FOR US.NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT A
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NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ANUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT
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NUMBER OF THE THINGS THATYOU HAVE MENTIONED, NO ONE
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YOU HAVE MENTIONED, NO ONEANYWHERE ON ANY STATION,
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ANYWHERE ON ANY STATION,AND SO THIS IS HUGELY
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AND SO THIS IS HUGELYIMPORTANT.
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IMPORTANT.FOR FOLKS LISTENING, WHO
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FOR FOLKS LISTENING, WHOWANNA FIND OUT MORE, I'M
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WANNA FIND OUT MORE, I'MASSUMING WALLBUILDERS IS
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ASSUMING WALLBUILDERS ISTHE PLACE, OR IS THERE A
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- DAVID: NOW,
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- DAVID: NOW,WALLBUILDERS IS THE PLACE.
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WALLBUILDERS IS THE PLACE.WE HAVE ALL OF THIS ON THE
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WE HAVE ALL OF THIS ON THEWEBSITE.
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WEBSITE.WE ACTUALLY--IN ABOUT TWO
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WE ACTUALLY--IN ABOUT TWOWEEKS, WE'LL HAVE A BOOK
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WEEKS, WE'LL HAVE A BOOKOUT, CALLED "THE AMERICAN
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OUT, CALLED "THE AMERICANSTORY," THAT LOOKS AT
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STORY," THAT LOOKS ATAMERICA FROM THE LENS OF
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AMERICA FROM THE LENS OFWHAT'S BEING TAUGHT TODAY.
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WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT TODAY.AND SO IT LOOKS AT THE
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AND SO IT LOOKS AT THERACISM THEME.
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RACISM THEME.IT LOOKS AT THE INEQUALITY
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IT LOOKS AT THOSE THEMES,
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IT LOOKS AT THOSE THEMES,AND WHILE SOME OF THAT DID
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AND WHILE SOME OF THAT DIDHAPPEN, IT'S THE REST OF
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HAPPEN, IT'S THE REST OFTHE STORY THAT IS SO
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THE STORY THAT IS SOSIGNIFICANT THAT AMERICANS
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SIGNIFICANT THAT AMERICANSDON'T GET TODAY.
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DON'T GET TODAY.SO THAT BOOK WILL BE OUT
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SO THAT BOOK WILL BE OUTIN TWO WEEKS, CALLED
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- ERIC: I WANNA GET YOU BACK
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- ERIC: I WANNA GET YOU BACKON THIS PROGRAM,
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ON THIS PROGRAM,DAVID, IF POSSIBLE,
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DAVID, IF POSSIBLE,WHEN THAT BOOK COMES OUT,
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WHEN THAT BOOK COMES OUT,BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING
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BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHINGMORE IMPORTANT GENERALLY,
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MORE IMPORTANT GENERALLY,AND CERTAINLY TODAY,
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AND CERTAINLY TODAY,THAN UNDERSTANDING
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THAN UNDERSTANDINGOUR HISTORY.
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OUR HISTORY.YOU KNOW THAT I CAME TO
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YOU KNOW THAT I CAME TOTHIS GAME A LITTLE BIT LATE.
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THIS GAME A LITTLE BIT LATE.I NEVER THOUGHT I'D WRITE
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I NEVER THOUGHT I'D WRITEBIOGRAPHIES.
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BIOGRAPHIES.I DISCOVERED SOME OF THE
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I DISCOVERED SOME OF THESAME THINGS THAT YOU'RE
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SAME THINGS THAT YOU'RETALKING ABOUT IN THE
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TALKING ABOUT IN THECOURSE OF WRITING MY BOOKS.
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COURSE OF WRITING MY BOOKS.WHEN I WROTE ABOUT
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WHEN I WROTE ABOUTWILBERFORCE, I THOUGHT TO
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WILBERFORCE, I THOUGHT TOMYSELF, "THIS IS AMAZING."
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MYSELF, "THIS IS AMAZING."IN THE 18TH CENTURY, IN
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IN THE 18TH CENTURY, INENGLAND, EVERYBODY SAYS
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ENGLAND, EVERYBODY SAYSTHEY'RE A CHRISTIAN.
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THEY'RE A CHRISTIAN.ALL THAT MEANT WAS "I'M
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ALL THAT MEANT WAS "I'MNOT A JEW, I'M NOT A
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NOT A JEW, I'M NOT AMOHAMMEDAN, I'M NOT A
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MOHAMMEDAN, I'M NOT AFREE-THINKING ATHEIST, SO
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FREE-THINKING ATHEIST, SOI GUESS I'M A CHRISTIAN."
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I GUESS I'M A CHRISTIAN."AND THEY HAD A COMPLETELY
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AND THEY HAD A COMPLETELYANTI-CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW
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ANTI-CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEWWITH REGARD TO SLAVERY,
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WITH REGARD TO SLAVERY,AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH,
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AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH,AND IT TOOK THE
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IT TOOK THE METHODISTS,
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IT TOOK THE METHODISTS,THE "ENTHUSIASTS,"
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THE "ENTHUSIASTS,"AS THEY WERE SCORNED
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AS THEY WERE SCORNEDIN THOSE DAYS, TO SAY, "NO."
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IN THOSE DAYS, TO SAY, "NO.""IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW WHAT
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"IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW WHATTHE BIBLE SAYS," AND THE
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THE BIBLE SAYS," AND THEQUAKERS, OF COURSE, AS
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QUAKERS, OF COURSE, ASWELL, THEY SAID,
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WELL, THEY SAID,"YOU'VE GOT TO ABOLISH
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"YOU'VE GOT TO ABOLISHTHE SLAVE TRADE.
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THE SLAVE TRADE.YOU'VE GOTTA ABOLISH SLAVERY."
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YOU'VE GOTTA ABOLISH SLAVERY."- DAVID: YEAH,
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- DAVID: YEAH,THAT'S ONE OF THE
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THAT'S ONE OF THESIGNIFICANT THINGS IN
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SIGNIFICANT THINGS INAMERICA IS, WE LOOK AT
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AMERICA IS, WE LOOK ATPAST GENERATIONS THROUGH
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PAST GENERATIONS THROUGHTODAY'S FILTER AND TODAY'S LENS,
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TODAY'S FILTER AND TODAY'S LENS,AND YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.
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THAT BACK IN GENESIS 9,
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THAT BACK IN GENESIS 9,WHEN YOU SEE ABOUT NOAH,
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WHEN YOU SEE ABOUT NOAH,AND GOD CHOSE NOAH, AND
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AND GOD CHOSE NOAH, ANDTHE BIBLE IN GENESIS 9:6,
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THE BIBLE IN GENESIS 9:6,SAYS THAT "NOAH WAS A
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AND THEN IT SAYS,
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AND THEN IT SAYS,"IN HIS GENERATION."
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"IN HIS GENERATION."WE KNOW THAT NOAH HAD TROUBLE
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WE KNOW THAT NOAH HAD TROUBLEWITH DRUNKENNESS AND OTHER
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WITH DRUNKENNESS AND OTHERTHINGS AS WELL, BUT WHEN
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THINGS AS WELL, BUT WHENYOU COMPARE HIM TO WHERE
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YOU COMPARE HIM TO WHEREHE WAS IN HIS DAY, HE WAS
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HAPPENING IS WE'RE
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HAPPENING IS WE'RECOMPARING OUR STANDARDS OF
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COMPARING OUR STANDARDS OFTHE DAY AND TRYING TO
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THE DAY AND TRYING TOIMPOSE THEM BACK.
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IMPOSE THEM BACK.AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY
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AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHYTHAT MATTERS 'CAUSE YOU
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WE HAVE 5.500 YEARS OF
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WE HAVE 5.500 YEARS OFRECORDED HISTORY AT THE
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RECORDED HISTORY AT THETIME OF WILBERFORCE.
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TIME OF WILBERFORCE.ENGLAND IS THE FIRST
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ENGLAND IS THE FIRSTNATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE
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NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THEWORLD TO ABOLISH SLAVERY,
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WORLD TO ABOLISH SLAVERY,AND WE'RE TALKING 1833.
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AND WE'RE TALKING 1833.PEOPLE THINK ABOLITION AND
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PEOPLE THINK ABOLITION ANDEQUALITY HAS BEEN THE
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EQUALITY HAS BEEN THESTATE OF THE WORLD ALL THE
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WE'RE TALKING RECENT
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WE'RE TALKING RECENTAMERICA, 1865, WHEN WE
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AMERICA, 1865, WHEN WEPASSED THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
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PASSED THE 13TH AMENDMENT.1865, WE WERE THE FOURTH
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1865, WE WERE THE FOURTHNATION IN THE WORLD TO
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SO ABOLITION IS A
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SO ABOLITION IS ARELATIVELY NEW THING IN
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RELATIVELY NEW THING INTHE WORLD, AND, BY THE
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THE WORLD, AND, BY THEWAY, THERE ARE 94 NATIONS
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WHERE SLAVERY IS STILL LEGAL.
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WHERE SLAVERY IS STILL LEGAL.SO HALF THE WORLD STILL
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SO HALF THE WORLD STILLHAS LEGAL SLAVERY, AND
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HAS LEGAL SLAVERY, ANDWE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT
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WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUTAMERICA AND HOW THAT WE
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IT TOOK US THAT LONG TO
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IT TOOK US THAT LONG TOABOLISH-- NO, NO, WE'RE
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ABOLISH-- NO, NO, WE'REONE OF THE LEADING NATIONS
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ONE OF THE LEADING NATIONSIN THE WORLD IN SHOOTING
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IN THE WORLD IN SHOOTINGFOR EQUALITY.
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FOR EQUALITY.WE WERE NOT LATE TO THE PARTY.
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WE WERE NOT LATE TO THE PARTY.WE WERE EARLY TO THE
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WE WERE EARLY TO THEPARTY, NUMBER FOUR IN THE
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AND, BY THE WAY, WE WERE
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AND, BY THE WAY, WE WERENUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD IN
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NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD INPASSING A LAW TO ABOLISH
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PASSING A LAW TO ABOLISHTHE SLAVE TRADE.
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THE SLAVE TRADE.THAT'S 1807.
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THAT'S 1807.SO ALL THE NOTION THAT
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SO ALL THE NOTION THATAMERICA IS INSTITUTIONALLY
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AMERICA IS INSTITUTIONALLYRACIST, YOU GOTTA SEE WHAT
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RACIST, YOU GOTTA SEE WHATTHE ATMOSPHERE WAS LIKE IN
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THE ATMOSPHERE WAS LIKE INTHAT DAY.
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THAT DAY.WE WERE LEADING THE WORLD
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WE WERE LEADING THE WORLDIN A RIGHT DIRECTION IN
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IN A RIGHT DIRECTION INTHAT DAY.
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THAT DAY.NOW WE CAN LOOK BACK FROM
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NOW WE CAN LOOK BACK FROMWHERE WE ARE TODAY AND SAY
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WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND SAYWE WEREN'T PERFECT.
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WE WEREN'T PERFECT.NO, WE WEREN'T, BUT WE'RE
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NO, WE WEREN'T, BUT WE'RENOT THE RACIST NATION
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NOT THE RACIST NATIONEVERYONE IS TRYING TO MAKE
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EVERYONE IS TRYING TO MAKEUS OUT TO BE.
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US OUT TO BE.WHEN YOU KNOW HISTORY,
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WHEN YOU KNOW HISTORY,YOU SEE THAT VERY CLEAR.
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YOU SEE THAT VERY CLEAR.WE HAVE INCIDENTS OF
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WE HAVE INCIDENTS OFRACISM, NO QUESTION,
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RACISM, NO QUESTION,BUT THE WAY IT'S PORTRAYED
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- ERIC: AND IT NEEDS TO
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- ERIC: AND IT NEEDS TOBE SAID ALSO, DAVID, THAT,
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BE SAID ALSO, DAVID, THAT,YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY
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YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODYSAYS, "HEY, WHAT'S WRONG
00:17:11.314 --> 00:17:12.648
SAYS, "HEY, WHAT'S WRONGWITH RACISM?"
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WITH RACISM?"YOU AND I HAVE AN ANSWER.
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YOU AND I HAVE AN ANSWER.WE KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH
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WE KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITHIT AND WHY IT'S WRONG.
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IT AND WHY IT'S WRONG.WE POINT TO THE BIBLE.
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WE POINT TO THE BIBLE.WE POINT TO THE GOD OF THE
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WE POINT TO THE GOD OF THEBIBLE, WHO SAYS,
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BIBLE, WHO SAYS,"I'M NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
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THAT IS NOT THE VIEW OF
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THAT IS NOT THE VIEW OFPEOPLE THAT WE WOULD CALL
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PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD CALLA BLIND DARWINISTS OR A
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A BLIND DARWINISTS OR ASECULAR HUMANIST.
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SECULAR HUMANIST.THEY MAY SAY THEY'RE
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THEY MAY SAY THEY'REAGAINST RACISM, BUT THEY
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WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY, AND IT
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WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY, AND ITSHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TO
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SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TOFOLKS THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT
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FOLKS THAT, IF YOU LOOK ATHISTORY, IT HAS BEEN THE
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HISTORY, IT HAS BEEN THEOUTSPOKEN CHRISTIANS, THE
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OUTSPOKEN CHRISTIANS, THEBIBLE-THUMPING CHRISTIANS,
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BIBLE-THUMPING CHRISTIANS,WHO HAVE ALWAYS LED THE
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WHO HAVE ALWAYS LED THEWAY TO ABOLISHING SLAVERY
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WAY TO ABOLISHING SLAVERYAND TO LIFTING UP THOSE
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- DAVID: YEAH, YOU WERE
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- DAVID: YEAH, YOU WERETALKING ABOUT HOW THAT IT
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TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT ITWAS CHRISTIANITY THAT
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INTERESTINGLY, A NATIONAL
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INTERESTINGLY, A NATIONALPOLL CAME OUT THIS WEEK,
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POLL CAME OUT THIS WEEK,AND IT WAS QUITE SHOCKING
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AND IT WAS QUITE SHOCKINGFOR THOSE WHO CONDUCTED IT.
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FOR THOSE WHO CONDUCTED IT.THEY-- BASED ON BLACK
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THEY-- BASED ON BLACKLIVES MATTER, THE QUESTION
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LIVES MATTER, THE QUESTIONIS "DOES LIFE HAVE
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IS "DOES LIFE HAVEINTRINSIC VALUE?
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INTRINSIC VALUE?DO ALL LIVES MATTER?"
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DO ALL LIVES MATTER?"ONLY ONE IN THREE
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ONLY ONE IN THREEAMERICANS, ONLY 37% SAID
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AMERICANS, ONLY 37% SAIDTHAT LIFE HAS INTRINSIC
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THAT LIFE HAS INTRINSICVALUE.
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VALUE.THOSE THAT WERE OF AN
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THOSE THAT WERE OF ANEVOLUTIONARY VIEWPOINT
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EVOLUTIONARY VIEWPOINTSAID, "NO, YOU WILL ATTAIN
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SAID, "NO, YOU WILL ATTAINVALUE AT SOME POINT IN
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VALUE AT SOME POINT INLIFE, BUT LIFE DOESN'T
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LIFE, BUT LIFE DOESN'THAVE INTRINSIC VALUE."
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HAVE INTRINSIC VALUE."THERE WERE ALL SORTS
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THERE WERE ALL SORTSOF ANSWERS.
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OF ANSWERS.INTERESTING: FOR THOSE WHO
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INTERESTING: FOR THOSE WHOHAD A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,
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HAD A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,93% OF THAT GROUP SAID,
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ALL LIFE HAS WORTH."
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ALL LIFE HAS WORTH."TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANS
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TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANSDID NOT BELIEVE THAT
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DID NOT BELIEVE THATLIFE HAS WORTH.
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LIFE HAS WORTH.SO, AGAIN, THAT GOES TO
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SO, AGAIN, THAT GOES TOTHE POINT YOU MADE: IF YOU
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THE POINT YOU MADE: IF YOUHAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,
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HAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
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YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWOF LIFE AND EQUALITY.
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OF LIFE AND EQUALITY.IF YOU HAVE A SECULAR
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IF YOU HAVE A SECULARWORLDVIEW, YOU DON'T HAVE
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WORLDVIEW, YOU DON'T HAVETHAT VIEW OF LIFE AND
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- ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE,
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- ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE,THAT'S RIGHT.
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THAT'S RIGHT.IN MY "BONHOEFFER" BOOK,
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IN MY "BONHOEFFER" BOOK,I DISCOVERED THAT THE NAZIS
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I DISCOVERED THAT THE NAZISHAD EXACTLY THAT WORLDVIEW,
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HAD EXACTLY THAT WORLDVIEW,WHICH YOU DESCRIBED,
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WHICH YOU DESCRIBED,TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANS
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TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANSAS HAVING THAT SAYS,
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AS HAVING THAT SAYS,"LIFE IS NOT INTRINSICALLY
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SOME LIFE IS MORE VALUABLE
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SOME LIFE IS MORE VALUABLETHAN OTHER LIFE, AND SOME
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THAN OTHER LIFE, AND SOMELIFE HAS NO VALUE."
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LIFE HAS NO VALUE."THAT'S THE KIND OF
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THAT'S THE KIND OFDECLARATION YOU CAN MAKE
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DECLARATION YOU CAN MAKEONLY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE
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ONLY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVEIN THE BIBLE.
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IN THE BIBLE.AND SO THERE ARE MANY
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"WELL, I'M A CHRISTIAN,"
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"WELL, I'M A CHRISTIAN,"BUT IT'S A MEANINGLESS
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BUT IT'S A MEANINGLESSSTATEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE
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STATEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RESUPPORTING A WORLDVIEW
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SUPPORTING A WORLDVIEWTHAT IS ABSOLUTELY
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THAT IS ABSOLUTELYCONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE
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CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLESAYS, WHICH IS THAT EVERY
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IN A COMA, AT THE END OF
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IN A COMA, AT THE END OFLIFE, EVERYONE IS MADE IN
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LIFE, EVERYONE IS MADE INTHE IMAGE OF GOD AND,
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THE IMAGE OF GOD AND,THEREFORE, HAS
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THEREFORE, HASINESTIMABLE, INFINITE
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INESTIMABLE, INFINITEVALUE; IS SACRED BECAUSE
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VALUE; IS SACRED BECAUSEWE'RE CREATED IN THE IMAGE
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I WANNA ASK YOU, IT SEEMS
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I WANNA ASK YOU, IT SEEMSTO ME THAT LINCOLN WAS
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TO ME THAT LINCOLN WASPARTICULARLY CHRISTIAN IN
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PARTICULARLY CHRISTIAN INTHE WAY THAT HE DEALT WITH
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THE WAY THAT HE DEALT WITHHIS DEFEATED ENEMY IN THE
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WHEN HE GIVES HIS SECOND
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WHEN HE GIVES HIS SECONDINAUGURAL, HE TALKS ABOUT
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INAUGURAL, HE TALKS ABOUT"WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE."
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"WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE."THERE WAS A GRACE AND A
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THERE WAS A GRACE AND AGRANDEUR IN THE GRACE,
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GRANDEUR IN THE GRACE,AND GRACIOUSNESS IN THE WAY
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AND GRACIOUSNESS IN THE WAYTHAT HE DEALT WITH HIS
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THAT HE DEALT WITH HISDEFEATED ENEMY IN THE
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AND I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT
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AND I SUBMIT TO YOU THATTHAT IS A PART OF THE
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THAT IS A PART OF THEREASON THAT HE AND
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REASON THAT HE ANDGRANT ALLOWED MANY OF
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GRANT ALLOWED MANY OFTHESE CONFEDERATE
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THESE CONFEDERATEMONUMENTS TO STAND BECAUSE
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MONUMENTS TO STAND BECAUSETHEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANNA
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THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANNASHOVE THIS IN THEIR FACE.
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SHOVE THIS IN THEIR FACE.WE DON'T WANT A SCORCHED
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WE DON'T WANT A SCORCHEDEARTH POLICY.
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EARTH POLICY.THIS IS NOT SHERMAN'S
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THIS IS NOT SHERMAN'SMARCH TO THE SEA.
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MARCH TO THE SEA.WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THESE
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WHICH REALLY HAS ALWAYS
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WHICH REALLY HAS ALWAYSBEEN THE AMERICAN WAY,
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BEEN THE AMERICAN WAY,CERTAINLY THE CHRISTIAN WAY,
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CERTAINLY THE CHRISTIAN WAY,AND THAT'S WHY A LOT
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- DAVID: THERE'S NO
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- DAVID: THERE'S NOQUESTION THAT CHRISTIAN
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QUESTION THAT CHRISTIANFAITH SHAPED THE WAY THAT
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FAITH SHAPED THE WAY THATABRAHAM LINCOLN APPROACHED
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ABRAHAM LINCOLN APPROACHEDTHE ENEMY AND TRIED TO
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THE ENEMY AND TRIED TORECONCILE THEM AT THE END
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RECONCILE THEM AT THE ENDBECAUSE HE TRIED TO KEEP
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BECAUSE HE TRIED TO KEEP'EM RECONCILED; WE HAD THE
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'EM RECONCILED; WE HAD THESPLIT; HE TRIED TO BRING
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HE DID ALL SORTS OF THINGS
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HE DID ALL SORTS OF THINGSTHAT PROBABLY WE THINK HE
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THAT PROBABLY WE THINK HESHOULDN'T HAVE GONE THAT
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SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE THATFAR, BUT HE WAS TRYING TO
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FAR, BUT HE WAS TRYING TORECONCILE.
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RECONCILE.AND SO THAT PASSAGE OUT OF
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AND SO THAT PASSAGE OUT OF1 CORINTHIANS ABOUT A
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1 CORINTHIANS ABOUT AMINISTRY OF
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MINISTRY OFRECONCILIATION, HE TOOK
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RECONCILIATION, HE TOOKVERY SERIOUSLY.
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VERY SERIOUSLY.AND, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A
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AND, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE AGREAT LETTER WRITTEN BY
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GREAT LETTER WRITTEN BYTHE PASTOR OF ABRAHAM
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THE PASTOR OF ABRAHAMLINCOLN, TALKING ABOUT HOW
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LINCOLN, TALKING ABOUT HOWABRAHAM LINCOLN CAME TO
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AND HOW THE PASTOR
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AND HOW THE PASTORMENTORED HIM AND HOW THAT
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MENTORED HIM AND HOW THATSHAPED WHAT HE DID.
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SHAPED WHAT HE DID.SO, AS HE'S COMING INTO
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SO, AS HE'S COMING INTOTHE PRESIDENCY, HE'S STILL
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THE PRESIDENCY, HE'S STILLA FAIRLY YOUNG, ZEALOUS
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A FAIRLY YOUNG, ZEALOUSCHRISTIAN, WHO HAS REALLY
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CHRISTIAN, WHO HAS REALLYSTUDIED THE BIBLE VERY
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STUDIED THE BIBLE VERYTHOROUGHLY, AND I THINK
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THOROUGHLY, AND I THINKTHAT REALLY DID AFFECT
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WE HAVE TESTIMONY FROM
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WE HAVE TESTIMONY FROMEVEN CLERGY THAT IT WAS
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EVEN CLERGY THAT IT WASFIRST IN 1863,
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FIRST IN 1863,WHEN LINCOLN PROFESSED OPENLY
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WHEN LINCOLN PROFESSED OPENLYTHAT PROFESSION OF
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THAT PROFESSION OFFAITH IN CHRIST.
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FAITH IN CHRIST.HE HAD COME TO FAITH
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HE HAD COME TO FAITHEARLIER, BUT HE FIRST
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EARLIER, BUT HE FIRSTPROFESSED IT IN 1863, AND
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PROFESSED IT IN 1863, ANDTHEN YOU SEE THAT 1864
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THEN YOU SEE THAT 1864SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS,
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SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS,OH, MY GOSH, IT'S BETTER
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OH, MY GOSH, IT'S BETTERTHAN MANY SERMONS WE'LL
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THAN MANY SERMONS WE'LLEVER HEAR IN OUR LIFETIME.
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EVER HEAR IN OUR LIFETIME.IT'S MORE BIBLICAL.
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IT'S MORE BIBLICAL.SO I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY
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SO I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLYRIGHT, ERIC.
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RIGHT, ERIC.IT WAS HIS BIBLICAL VIEW
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IT WAS HIS BIBLICAL VIEWTHAT BROUGHT HIM TO ACT
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THAT BROUGHT HIM TO ACTTHE WAY HE DID AND TRY TO
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THE WAY HE DID AND TRY TOHAVE SOME GRACE AND
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HAVE SOME GRACE ANDACCOMMODATION FOR AN ENEMY
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ACCOMMODATION FOR AN ENEMYTHAT HAD BEEN DEFEATED.
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THAT HAD BEEN DEFEATED.- ERIC: I WONDER IF THAT
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- ERIC: I WONDER IF THATCAN SERVE AS A PRECEDENT
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CAN SERVE AS A PRECEDENTFOR REMOVING SOME OF OUR
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FOR REMOVING SOME OF OURCONFEDERATE PAST, IN OTHER
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CONFEDERATE PAST, IN OTHERWORDS, THE IDEA OF
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WORDS, THE IDEA OFTHINKING ABOUT THE WEAKER
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THE GRACIOUSNESS THAT THE
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THE GRACIOUSNESS THAT THENORTH EXHIBITED IN DEALING
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NORTH EXHIBITED IN DEALINGWITH THE DEFEATED SOUTH
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WITH THE DEFEATED SOUTHTHAT ALLOWED THESE
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THAT ALLOWED THESECONFEDERATE STATUES TO
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CONFEDERATE STATUES TOSTAND, I SUPPOSE WE CAN
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STAND, I SUPPOSE WE CANTHINK ABOUT IT BOTH WAYS
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THINK ABOUT IT BOTH WAYSIN THAT SOME PEOPLE COULD
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IN THAT SOME PEOPLE COULDSAY, "LOOK, WHAT THEY DID
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SAY, "LOOK, WHAT THEY DIDWAS TREASONOUS, AND WE
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WAS TREASONOUS, AND WEOUGHT NOT TO HOLD THEM UP."
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OUGHT NOT TO HOLD THEM UP."SO THERE'S A LOT TO
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SO THERE'S A LOT TOBE SAID ON THAT, BUT I DO
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BE SAID ON THAT, BUT I DOTHINK PEOPLE NEED TO
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THINK PEOPLE NEED TOUNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION
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UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATIONOF WHY THE NORTH DID NOT
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OF WHY THE NORTH DID NOTDESTROY THE SOUTH AND
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DESTROY THE SOUTH ANDSHOVE IT IN THEIR FACE
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SHOVE IT IN THEIR FACEBECAUSE THEY SAID,
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BECAUSE THEY SAID,"WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
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"WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.IT'S TIME TO COME TOGETHER."
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IT'S TIME TO COME TOGETHER."AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
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AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANTPART OF OUR HISTORY,
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PART OF OUR HISTORY,AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
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AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOWTHAT ABOUT LINCOLN.
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THAT ABOUT LINCOLN.I MEAN, WHAT HE DID, WHEN
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I MEAN, WHAT HE DID, WHENI THINK ABOUT LINCOLN,
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I THINK ABOUT LINCOLN,I JUST THINK, MY GOODNESS,
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I JUST THINK, MY GOODNESS,WHAT OTHER PRESIDENT COULD
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WHAT OTHER PRESIDENT COULDHAVE BEEN SO MAGNANIMOUS
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HAVE BEEN SO MAGNANIMOUSAND COULD'VE BEHAVED IN
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AND IF HE HADN'T BEEN A
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AND IF HE HADN'T BEEN ACHRISTIAN, HOW WOULD HE
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CHRISTIAN, HOW WOULD HEHAVE BEHAVED?
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HAVE BEHAVED?AND WE'VE JUST GOT 30
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AND WE'VE JUST GOT 30SECONDS LEFT, DAVID.
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- DAVID: YEAH, THE FINAL
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- DAVID: YEAH, THE FINALTHOUGHT IS THAT A BIBLICAL
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THOUGHT IS THAT A BIBLICALVIEW IS WHAT SOLVES MOST
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VIEW IS WHAT SOLVES MOSTOF THESE PROBLEMS.
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OF THESE PROBLEMS.THE SECULAR VIEW DOES NOT.
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THE SECULAR VIEW DOES NOT.AND SO THE COMBINATION OF
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AND SO THE COMBINATION OFUNDERSTANDING THE WEAKER
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UNDERSTANDING THE WEAKERBROTHER AND WHAT OFFENDS
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FROM A CHRISTIAN STANDPOINT,
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FROM A CHRISTIAN STANDPOINT,I'M GONNA HELP THAT,
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I'M GONNA HELP THAT,BUT AT THE SAME
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BUT AT THE SAMETIME, I STILL WANT TRUTH,
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TIME, I STILL WANT TRUTH,AND BALANCING THOSE TWO IS
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AND BALANCING THOSE TWO ISTHE REAL DIFFICULTY
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THE REAL DIFFICULTYAMERICA HAS TODAY.
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AMERICA HAS TODAY.- ERIC: BRILLIANTLY PUT,
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- ERIC: BRILLIANTLY PUT,MY FRIEND.
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MY FRIEND.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK AS
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WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK ASSOON AS POSSIBLE.
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SOON AS POSSIBLE.- DAVID: LOOK FORWARD TO
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- DAVID: LOOK FORWARD TOIT, ERIC.
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[MUSIC]
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[MUSIC]♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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