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August 30, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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Guest Alex & Stephen Kendrick and Greg Laurie

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  • [SMOOCH]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [BING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [PLOP]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [BOINK]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [CRASH]
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  • [CHEERS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: FOLKS, IT'S
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW,"
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  • AND THERE IS A MOVIE
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  • AND I WANNA TELL YOU ABOUT IT.
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  • YOU'VE HEARD OF THE KENDRICK
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  • BROTHERS.
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  • MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF THE
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  • KENDRICK BROTHERS.
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  • IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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  • THEY'RE MY GUESTS RIGHT NOW, AND
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  • NOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF 'EM
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  • BEFORE, YOU'VE HEARD OF 'EM NOW.
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  • I HAVE BOTH OF THEM ON SKYPE.
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  • ALEX AND STEPHEN KENDRICK,
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  • - ALEX KENDRICK: THANKS.
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  • - STEPHEN KENDRICK: THANK YOU.
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  • GOOD MORNING.
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  • - ERIC: GOOD MORNING.
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  • WHICH ONE OF YOU IS BEARDED?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - STEPHEN: BOTH OF US.
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  • - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY THAT
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  • WAS A TRICK QUESTION.
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  • YOU GUYS ARE-- HAVE YOU ALWAYS
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  • BEEN BEARDED?
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  • - ALEX: NO.
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  • - STEPHEN: NO, I ACTUALLY GOT
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  • THE BEARD FIRST AFTER WE MADE
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  • THE MOVIE "COURAGEOUS," AND ALEX
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  • IS LIKE, "WHY ARE YOU GROWIN'
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  • A BEARD?
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  • YOU NEED TO SHAVE THAT OFF."
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  • AND I JUST WAITED UNTIL
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  • THE IMPACT OF IT KICKED IN,
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  • AND THEN HE GREW ONE.
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  • - ERIC: IF YOU WERE REALLY,
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  • REALLY CLOSE BROTHERS, YOU WOULD
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  • SHARE A SINGLE BEARD.
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  • THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE--
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • -- BUT I BELIEVE "WITH GOD ALL
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  • THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
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  • LET'S BE HONEST.
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  • THAT COULD HAPPEN.
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  • GOD COULD DO THAT.
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  • ALL RIGHT, LISTEN, YOU GUYS HAVE
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  • MADE SO MANY FILMS.
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  • I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHO
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  • YOU ARE.
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  • YOU MADE "WAR ROOM," WHICH I
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  • LOVED, "COURAGEOUS,"
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  • "FIREPROOF,"
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  • "FACING THE GIANTS,"
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  • "FLYWHEEL," ON, AND ON,
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  • AND ON.
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  • WHAT IS THE LATEST MOVIE THAT
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  • YOU MADE?
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  • NOT THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKIN'
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  • ABOUT RIGHT NOW BUT THE MOST
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  • RECENT ONE BEFORE THIS?
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  • - STEPHEN: BEFORE THIS WAS
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  • "WAR ROOM" AND--
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN,
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  • LIKE, A COUPLE OF YEARS?
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  • - STEPHEN: THAT'S RIGHT, "WAR
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  • ROOM" CAME OUT IN 2015, IN THE
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  • U.S., AND IT'S ABOUT PRAYER.
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  • PEOPLE SAID, "THIS MOVIE'S NOT
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  • GONNA WORK," AND IT WAS TWICE AS
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  • SUCCESSFUL AS OUR
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  • PREVIOUS FILMS.
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  • - ERIC: IT WAS A
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  • WONDERFUL FILM.
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  • OKAY, THE NEW MOVIE IS
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  • "OVERCOMER," AND THAT IS OUT IN
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  • THEATERS RIGHT NOW, AND I WANTED
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  • TO GET YOU GUYS ON THE PROGRAM
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  • TODAY SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEIR
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  • WEEKEND PLANS,
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  • LIKE, IMMEDIATELY.
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  • SO TELL US WHAT IS "OVERCOMER"
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  • ABOUT, AND WHO'S IN IT?
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  • - ALEX: SO I PLAY A COACH,
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  • JOHN HARRISON.
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  • HE IS A BASKETBALL COACH HEADED
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  • TOWARD A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP WHEN
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  • THE LARGEST FACTORY IN TOWN
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  • SHUTS DOWN, AND SO MANY PEOPLE
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  • MOVE AWAY THAT HE LOSES HIS BALL
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  • TEAM, AND SO ANY GUY WOULD BE
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  • FRUSTRATED IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
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  • THE SCHOOL, IN TURN, GIVES HIM
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  • THE CROSS-COUNTRY PROGRAM, AND
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  • ONLY ONE GIRL COMES OUT TO RUN,
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  • AND SHE'S GOT ASTHMA, AND SO
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  • HE'S GOT A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL
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  • THAT'S STRUGGLING WITH HER PLACE
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  • IN THE WORLD.
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  • HE'S NOW STRUGGLING WITH A FEW--
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  • - ERIC: WAIT A MINUTE.
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  • IF MY MAIN RUNNER HAS ASTHMA, MY
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  • EGO'S TAKIN' A BIG HIT, I'M
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  • TELLIN' YOU RIGHT NOW.
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  • - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT,
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  • THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - STEPHEN: WE HAVE A LOT OF
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  • JOKES ABOUT THAT IN THE FILM,
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  • AND WE HAVE A LOT OF JOKES ABOUT
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  • CROSS-COUNTRY DURING THE MOVIE.
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  • ALEX ACTUALLY COACHED ALL SIX OF
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  • HIS KIDS TO STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
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  • IN CROSS-COUNTRY, AND AS HE WAS
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  • CHEERING THEM ON FROM THE
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  • SIDELINES, HE GOT THIS
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  • INCREDIBLE MOVIE IDEA THAT
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  • HAPPENS MAINLY IN THE LAST HALF
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  • OF THE MOVIE.
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  • THE FIRST HALF IS REALLY FUNNY
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  • IN ITS INVESTMENT, AND THIS IS A
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  • FAMILY-FRIENDLY MOVIE.
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  • - ERIC: YOU REALLY COACHED ALL
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  • OF YOUR KIDS IN CROSS-COUNTRY?
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  • I MEAN, THIS IS, KIND OF,
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  • AMAZING, ALEX.
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  • - ALEX: SO I WASN'T THE
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  • I WAS ONE OF THE ASSISTANT
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  • COACHES, BUT ALL SIX OF MY KIDS
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  • RAN CROSS-COUNTRY.
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  • THEY ALL HAVE CHAMPIONSHIPS, AND
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  • IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE SPORT, BUT
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  • I TELL YOU WHAT, WHEN YOU SEE
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  • SOMEBODY GO THROUGH THE GRUELING
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  • PROCESS OF RUNNING 3.1 MILES AS
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  • NONSTOP, AND THEY CROSS THE
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  • FINISH LINE, JUST FINISHING IS A
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  • BIG DEAL, BUT WINNING IS
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  • AMAZING, AND SO THERE'S A LOT
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  • THAT PARALLELS WHAT
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  • LIFE IS LIKE.
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  • YOU WANT THAT SECOND WIND.
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  • YOU WANNA TAKE THE HILLS AND THE
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  • SLOPES AND THE VALLEYS AS BEST
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  • YOU CAN, AND IT'S A LOT LIKE
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  • LIFE, BUT THIS MOVIE HAS SUCH AN
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  • INSPIRATIONAL CONCLUSION, AND WE
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  • HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT WHERE
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  • YOUR IDENTITY SHOULD COME FROM.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, AGAIN, I JUST--
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  • I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT NOW
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  • BECAUSE THAT'S-- YOU DON'T GET A
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  • LOT OF MOVIES MADE ABOUT
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  • CROSS-COUNTRY, RIGHT?
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  • AND IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, IT'S
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  • JUST A SPECTACULAR SPORT.
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  • IT'S FANTASTIC, VERY HARD.
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  • I'LL NEVER FORGET IT.
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  • IT SCARRED ME.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • I'M MESSED UP TODAY BECAUSE OF
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  • THAT ONE SEASON IN BASKETBALL
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  • SNEAKERS BUT-- ALL RIGHT, SO
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  • TELL US ABOUT THE PLOT AGAIN.
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  • YOU SAID THAT, NOW, THIS COACH
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  • HAS A STUDENT WHO HAS ASTHMA.
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  • I GUESS THAT'S PART OF WHY THE
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  • TITLE HAS TO BE CALLED
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  • "OVERCOMER" BECAUSE YOU'VE
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  • GOTTA OVERCOME--
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  • THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE.
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  • I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
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  • HOW DOES SOMEBODY WITH ASTHMA
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  • RUN CROSS-COUNTRY?
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  • WELL, IT DOES HAPPEN.
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  • IN FACT, WE'VE HAD STATE
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  • CHAMPIONSHIP WINNERS RUN WITH
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  • ASTHMA, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY,
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  • AND SO--
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  • - ALEX: THEY CARRY AN INHALER.
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  • - STEPHEN: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • THEY HAVE TO CARRY IT ON THEIR
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  • HIP, WHICH IS WHAT HANNAH DOES
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  • BUT THIS MOVIE TALKS ABOUT WHO
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  • ARE YOU WHEN EVERYTHING IS
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  • STRIPPED AWAY: YOU'VE GOT A
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  • COACH WHO LOSES HIS TEAM, YOU'VE
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  • GOT HANNAH, WHO'S LOST HER
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  • PARENTS, AND THERE'S A MAN IN A
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  • WHO ENDS UP BEING A KEY ELEMENT
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  • OF THIS MOVIE, WHO'S LOST HIS
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  • HEALTH, AND THE HOSPITAL-BED GUY
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  • UNDERSTANDS CROSS-COUNTRY.
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  • HE'S GOING BLIND.
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  • HE'S DYING FROM DIABETES.
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  • HE HELPS THE COACH UNDERSTAND
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  • CROSS-COUNTRY, AND HE STARTS
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  • CHALLENGING HIM ON FINDING HIS
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  • IDENTITY IN CHRIST, NOT IN HIS
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  • JOB, YOU KNOW?
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  • AND THE COACH IS HELPING THE
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  • GIRL RUN, AS WELL, IN THE MOVIE,
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  • AND SO THE THEME OF IDENTITY--
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  • THERE'S SO MUCH CONFUSION IN OUR
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  • CULTURE RIGHT NOW.
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  • KIDS ARE DEPRESSED, SUICIDE,
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  • ADDICTIONS, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO
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  • THEY ARE, THEY'RE BEING TOLD
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  • THAT "YOU ARE WHAT YOU FEEL
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  • LIKE," OR "YOU ARE WHAT OTHER
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  • PEOPLE SAY ABOUT YOU," AND
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  • THEY'RE FINDING THEIR IDENTITY
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  • IN THEIR FACEBOOK LIKES OR IN
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  • THEIR CURRENT APPEARANCE, AND,
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  • REALLY, IT'S A UNIVERSAL ISSUE.
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  • ALL OF US HAVE TO COME BACK TO
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  • LETTING THE CREATOR DEFINE HIS
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  • CREATION RATHER THAN OUR
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  • FEELINGS OR EMOTIONS.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, AS YOU CAN
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  • IMAGINE, I AGREE WITH THAT IDEA.
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  • HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN BROTHERS?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ALEX: OUR WHOLE LIVES.
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  • - ERIC: IS THAT RIGHT?
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  • - ALEX: WELL, I'M 48, AND
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  • STEPHEN IS 45, AND SHANNON, OUR
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  • OLDER BROTHER, IS IN HIS
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  • EARLY 50s.
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  • WE'RE ALL THREE YEARS APART, AND
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  • WE WORK TOGETHER AND LOVE
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  • WORKING TOGETHER.
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  • - ERIC: WAIT-- ALL THREE OF YOU
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  • WORK TOGETHER OR JUST THE TWO OF
  • 00:06:33.100 --> 00:06:34.140
  • YOU WORK TOGETHER?
  • 00:06:34.140 --> 00:06:34.290
  • - STEPHEN: YES.
  • 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:36.020
  • - ALEX: ALL THREE OF US.
  • 00:06:36.020 --> 00:06:36.210
  • SO SHANNON--
  • 00:06:36.210 --> 00:06:38.110
  • - STEPHEN: HE'S RUNNING ALL THE
  • 00:06:38.110 --> 00:06:39.030
  • TECHNICAL STUFF.
  • 00:06:39.030 --> 00:06:40.240
  • - ALEX: HE'S THE OIL IN OUR
  • 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:41.140
  • MACHINE, SO, YEAH.
  • 00:06:41.140 --> 00:06:42.130
  • - ERIC: THE OIL IN
  • 00:06:42.130 --> 00:06:43.130
  • YOUR MACHINE?
  • 00:06:43.130 --> 00:06:45.120
  • DOES HE LIKE YOU TO DESCRIBE HIM
  • 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:46.040
  • THAT WAY?
  • 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:47.270
  • I DON'T THINK HE DOES.
  • 00:06:47.270 --> 00:06:48.140
  • YOU BETTER TALK TO HIM.
  • 00:06:48.140 --> 00:06:49.060
  • - ALEX: WELL, SEE, WELL, SEE,
  • 00:06:49.070 --> 00:06:52.070
  • STEPHEN AND I ARE HEAVY ON THE
  • 00:06:52.070 --> 00:06:52.280
  • MINISTRY/CREATIVE SIDE, AND WE
  • 00:06:52.280 --> 00:06:55.020
  • NEED THE ADMINISTRATION AND
  • 00:06:55.020 --> 00:06:55.270
  • STRUCTURE THAT SHANNON PROVIDES.
  • 00:06:55.270 --> 00:06:57.000
  • HE CAME FROM IBM, SO HE'S GREAT.
  • 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:57.220
  • - ERIC: I NEED SOME OIL IN MY
  • 00:06:57.220 --> 00:06:58.130
  • MACHINE, BROTHERS, LET ME TELL
  • 00:06:58.130 --> 00:06:59.040
  • YOU RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:06:59.040 --> 00:06:59.170
  • - STEPHEN: RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:06:59.170 --> 00:07:00.190
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:07:00.190 --> 00:07:01.020
  • - ERIC: OKAY, BUT, SO YOU'VE
  • 00:07:01.020 --> 00:07:02.000
  • BEEN BROTHERS MOST OF YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:03.090
  • THE BEARDS ARE KIND OF NEW.
  • 00:07:03.090 --> 00:07:04.100
  • I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW YOU GOT
  • 00:07:04.100 --> 00:07:05.230
  • INTO FILMMAKING BECAUSE THIS IS
  • 00:07:05.230 --> 00:07:07.050
  • A STORY-- A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:07:07.050 --> 00:07:08.030
  • LISTENING DON'T KNOW THIS STORY,
  • 00:07:08.030 --> 00:07:09.200
  • AND IT'S KIND OF AMAZING, TO ME,
  • 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:10.270
  • THE SUCCESS YOU'VE HAD.
  • 00:07:10.270 --> 00:07:12.060
  • YOU HAVE PAVED-- OR YOU'VE
  • 00:07:12.190 --> 00:07:15.190
  • REALLY CREATED AN ENTIRELY
  • 00:07:15.190 --> 00:07:16.200
  • NEW PATH.
  • 00:07:16.200 --> 00:07:19.070
  • YOU'VE CREATED YOUR OWN PATH, SO
  • 00:07:19.070 --> 00:07:20.150
  • TO SPEAK, IN FILMMAKING, AND I
  • 00:07:20.150 --> 00:07:22.220
  • WANNA HEAR HOW YOU GOT INTO THAT
  • 00:07:22.220 --> 00:07:24.160
  • IF YOU DON'T MIND TELLING ME.
  • 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.180
  • - STEPHEN: SURE.
  • 00:07:25.180 --> 00:07:26.190
  • - ALEX: SO WHEN WE WERE KIDS,
  • 00:07:26.190 --> 00:07:29.000
  • INSTEAD OF "JAMES BOND," OUR
  • 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.030
  • CHARACTER WAS "SAVINGS BOND."
  • 00:07:30.030 --> 00:07:31.120
  • WE RAN AROUND WITH--
  • 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:32.160
  • - STEPHEN: I WAS "SAVINGS
  • 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:33.050
  • BOND."
  • 00:07:33.050 --> 00:07:33.140
  • - ALEX: YEAH, WE RAN AROUND
  • 00:07:33.140 --> 00:07:34.110
  • WITH A VIDEO CAMERA WITH OUR
  • 00:07:34.110 --> 00:07:35.120
  • NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS, MAKING SILLY
  • 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:36.180
  • LITTLE MOVIES ON HOME VIDEO.
  • 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:37.090
  • INSTEAD OF "INDIANA JONES," WE
  • 00:07:37.090 --> 00:07:39.010
  • HAD A CHARACTER "ALABAMA JONES."
  • 00:07:39.010 --> 00:07:40.220
  • AND HIGH SCHOOL IS WHEN OUR
  • 00:07:40.220 --> 00:07:43.050
  • PARENTS, WHO HAD BEEN PRAYING
  • 00:07:43.050 --> 00:07:44.240
  • THE LORD GOT AHOLD OF
  • 00:07:47.020 --> 00:07:47.190
  • OUR HEARTS.
  • 00:07:47.190 --> 00:07:48.240
  • WE KIND OF TURNED OUR ATTENTION
  • 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:49.180
  • TOWARD DOING PROJECTS FOR
  • 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:51.140
  • MINISTRY PURPOSES.
  • 00:07:51.140 --> 00:07:52.140
  • FAST FORWARD AFTER COLLEGE
  • 00:07:52.140 --> 00:07:53.290
  • BOTH OF US WERE ORDAINED,
  • 00:07:56.060 --> 00:07:57.010
  • WORKING IN STUDENT MINISTRY, AND
  • 00:07:57.010 --> 00:07:58.030
  • WE ASKED OUR PASTOR, "WOULD YOU
  • 00:07:58.030 --> 00:08:00.130
  • ALLOW US TO MAKE A MOVIE FOR
  • 00:08:00.130 --> 00:08:02.030
  • THE COMMUNITY?"
  • 00:08:02.030 --> 00:08:04.100
  • AND THAT BECAME "FLYWHEEL," IN
  • 00:08:04.100 --> 00:08:06.220
  • 2003, AND WE GET IT IN OUR ONE
  • 00:08:06.220 --> 00:08:08.130
  • THEATER ON A DVD PLAYER, AND IT
  • 00:08:08.130 --> 00:08:09.050
  • WENT CRAZY.
  • 00:08:09.150 --> 00:08:12.150
  • IT SOLD 1.2 MILLION DVDs, AND
  • 00:08:12.150 --> 00:08:13.240
  • THAT LED TO "FACING THE GIANTS."
  • 00:08:14.020 --> 00:08:17.020
  • SONY GRABBED THAT, PUT IT OUT IN
  • 00:08:17.020 --> 00:08:18.040
  • 400 THEATERS.
  • 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.120
  • IT DID TWICE AS GOOD AS
  • 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:21.000
  • THEY EXPECTED.
  • 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:21.280
  • THAT LED TO "FIREPROOF," THEN
  • 00:08:21.280 --> 00:08:23.080
  • "COURAGEOUS," AND "WAR ROOM,"
  • 00:08:23.080 --> 00:08:25.010
  • AND NOW HERE WE ARE IN NUMBER
  • 00:08:25.010 --> 00:08:25.230
  • SIX WITH "OVERCOMER."
  • 00:08:25.230 --> 00:08:27.110
  • - ERIC: YOU HAVE TO BE THINKING
  • 00:08:27.110 --> 00:08:28.030
  • ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS AND THINGS.
  • 00:08:28.030 --> 00:08:29.140
  • WHAT OTHER THINGS DO YOU HAVE IN
  • 00:08:29.140 --> 00:08:31.130
  • YOUR PIPELINE?
  • 00:08:31.130 --> 00:08:32.080
  • - ALEX: WELL, WE HAVE
  • 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:32.250
  • A WHITEBOARD.
  • 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:34.250
  • I'M NOT GONNA TURN THE CAMERA.
  • 00:08:34.250 --> 00:08:36.020
  • WE HAVE A WHITEBOARD WITH 20
  • 00:08:36.020 --> 00:08:37.050
  • PROJECTS ON IT THAT WE'RE
  • 00:08:37.050 --> 00:08:38.130
  • PRAYING THROUGH.
  • 00:08:38.130 --> 00:08:39.030
  • WE ALWAYS ASK GOD FOR HIS
  • 00:08:39.030 --> 00:08:40.170
  • DIRECTION AND PROMPTING, OF
  • 00:08:40.170 --> 00:08:41.270
  • COURSE, BUT THERE'S A LOT
  • 00:08:41.270 --> 00:08:42.270
  • ON OUR PLATE.
  • 00:08:42.270 --> 00:08:44.280
  • THERE'S ENOUGH TO KEEP US BUSY
  • 00:08:44.280 --> 00:08:45.190
  • FOR THE REST OF OUR CAREER, BUT
  • 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:46.130
  • WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE
  • 00:08:46.130 --> 00:08:47.100
  • NEXT ONE.
  • 00:08:47.100 --> 00:08:47.270
  • WE THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT
  • 00:08:47.270 --> 00:08:49.100
  • BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN STONE YET,
  • 00:08:49.100 --> 00:08:51.110
  • WE'RE NOT QUITE READY TO LET THE
  • 00:08:51.110 --> 00:08:52.030
  • CAT OUT OF THE BAG.
  • 00:08:52.030 --> 00:08:52.220
  • - STEPHEN: IT COULD BE ABOUT A
  • 00:08:52.220 --> 00:08:54.060
  • CONSERVATIVE TALK-SHOW HOST WHO
  • 00:08:54.060 --> 00:08:57.030
  • IS A NINJA AT NIGHT.
  • 00:08:57.030 --> 00:08:59.210
  • - ALEX: YEAH, GOES UNDERCOVER
  • 00:08:59.210 --> 00:09:00.140
  • AT NIGHT.
  • 00:09:00.140 --> 00:09:01.100
  • WELL, WE'LL WAIT AND SEE.
  • 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:02.110
  • - ERIC: YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:09:02.110 --> 00:09:03.030
  • KNOW THAT.
  • 00:09:03.030 --> 00:09:03.140
  • WHAT IS HAPPENING?
  • 00:09:03.140 --> 00:09:04.020
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:04.020 --> 00:09:06.050
  • ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M GONNA
  • 00:09:06.050 --> 00:09:07.240
  • CONTINUE BEING A NINJA, BUT I
  • 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:08.280
  • DON'T LIKE MY AUDIENCE KNOWING
  • 00:09:08.280 --> 00:09:10.100
  • ABOUT THAT PART OF ME.
  • 00:09:10.100 --> 00:09:11.120
  • BUT GETTING BACK TO THIS FILM, I
  • 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:12.260
  • MEAN, WHEN YOU MAKE A FILM, YOU
  • 00:09:12.260 --> 00:09:14.270
  • DON'T SEE IT JUST AS A FILM.
  • 00:09:14.270 --> 00:09:16.210
  • IN OTHER WORDS, YOU SEE IT AS
  • 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:18.080
  • MINISTRY, EVEN THOUGH I'M HOPING
  • 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.020
  • THAT TONS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:20.020 --> 00:09:21.200
  • WHO WOULDN'T DEFINE THEMSELVES
  • 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.120
  • AS EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WOULD
  • 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:24.250
  • SEE THE FILM AND THAT IT WOULD
  • 00:09:24.250 --> 00:09:26.060
  • INFLUENCE THEM AND HELP THEM
  • 00:09:26.060 --> 00:09:27.150
  • THINK ABOUT WHO THEY ARE AND
  • 00:09:27.150 --> 00:09:29.060
  • THEIR IDENTITY, BUT TELL US
  • 00:09:29.060 --> 00:09:32.010
  • ABOUT THE OTHER PIECES.
  • 00:09:32.010 --> 00:09:32.260
  • THERE ARE BOOKS THAT COME OUT
  • 00:09:32.260 --> 00:09:33.220
  • WITH IT.
  • 00:09:33.220 --> 00:09:34.080
  • I MEAN, YOU REALLY DO MORE THAN
  • 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:35.000
  • JUST MAKE A FILM.
  • 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:35.190
  • - ALEX: YEAH, WE DO, AND SO OUR
  • 00:09:35.190 --> 00:09:37.200
  • GOAL IS THIS: YES, WE WANNA
  • 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:38.280
  • ENTERTAIN YOU WITH A
  • 00:09:38.280 --> 00:09:40.130
  • WELL-TOLD STORY.
  • 00:09:40.130 --> 00:09:41.110
  • I MEAN, EVEN JESUS TOLD STORIES
  • 00:09:41.110 --> 00:09:42.210
  • TO ENGAGE THE AUDIENCE AND GIVE
  • 00:09:42.210 --> 00:09:44.070
  • TRUTH TO THEM, SO THESE ARE
  • 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:45.250
  • VISUAL PARABLES, IF YOU WILL,
  • 00:09:45.250 --> 00:09:47.260
  • BUT WE DO WANNA ENTERTAIN YOU.
  • 00:09:47.260 --> 00:09:49.260
  • WE WANT YOU TO LAUGH, EVEN CRY,
  • 00:09:49.260 --> 00:09:50.280
  • BE INSPIRED, BUT BY THE END OF
  • 00:09:50.280 --> 00:09:52.140
  • IT, WE DON'T JUST WANNA FEED YOU
  • 00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:53.270
  • VISUAL COTTON CANDY, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:57.070
  • WE WANT TO GIVE YOU SOMETHIN' TO
  • 00:09:57.070 --> 00:09:58.180
  • CONSIDER, THINK ABOUT, AND,
  • 00:09:58.180 --> 00:09:59.190
  • HOPEFULLY, DRAW YOU TO A CLOSER
  • 00:09:59.190 --> 00:10:01.080
  • UNDERSTANDING OF WHO GOD IS AND
  • 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:04.100
  • HIS LOVE FOR, AND SO, WHEN
  • 00:10:04.100 --> 00:10:05.070
  • PEOPLE LEAVE, WE DO HAVE
  • 00:10:05.070 --> 00:10:06.270
  • RESOURCES AVAILABLE, AND WE DID
  • 00:10:06.270 --> 00:10:08.110
  • A BOOK CALLED "DEFINED: WHO GOD
  • 00:10:08.110 --> 00:10:11.040
  • SAYS YOU ARE," AND, BASICALLY,
  • 00:10:11.040 --> 00:10:13.100
  • IF SOMEONE SAYS, "OKAY, I WANNA
  • 00:10:13.100 --> 00:10:15.050
  • EXPLORE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
  • 00:10:15.050 --> 00:10:16.140
  • WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT MY
  • 00:10:16.140 --> 00:10:18.160
  • IDENTITY AND HOW GOD WOULD
  • 00:10:18.160 --> 00:10:20.190
  • USE ME?"
  • 00:10:20.190 --> 00:10:22.170
  • YOU CAN READ "DEFINED: WHO GOD
  • 00:10:22.170 --> 00:10:23.260
  • SAYS YOU ARE," AND IT IS OUT NOW
  • 00:10:23.260 --> 00:10:24.270
  • EVERYWHERE BOOKS ARE SOLD.
  • 00:10:24.270 --> 00:10:26.100
  • BUT HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE OF
  • 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:28.050
  • IDENTITY: WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE
  • 00:10:28.130 --> 00:10:31.130
  • ABOUT GOD AND YOURSELF WILL
  • 00:10:31.130 --> 00:10:33.270
  • IMPACT YOUR VIEW OF IDENTITY,
  • 00:10:33.270 --> 00:10:36.050
  • AND WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE ABOUT
  • 00:10:36.050 --> 00:10:37.100
  • YOUR IDENTITY WILL IMPACT YOUR
  • 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:38.180
  • BEHAVIOR, AND SO IF YOU BELIEVE
  • 00:10:38.180 --> 00:10:40.140
  • THAT YOU'RE TREASURED AND LOVED
  • 00:10:40.140 --> 00:10:43.040
  • AND CHOSEN AND ADOPTED
  • 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:46.090
  • SPIRITUALLY INTO THE KINGDOM,
  • 00:10:46.090 --> 00:10:48.210
  • YOU'RE GONNA BEHAVE ONE WAY, BUT
  • 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:50.020
  • IF YOU BELIEVE YOU'RE WORTHLESS
  • 00:10:50.020 --> 00:10:51.180
  • OR JUST AN ACCIDENT HERE IN THIS
  • 00:10:51.180 --> 00:10:53.280
  • UNIVERSE, YOU'RE GONNA BELIEVE
  • 00:10:53.280 --> 00:10:55.050
  • ANOTHER WAY.
  • 00:10:55.050 --> 00:10:56.040
  • YOUR VALUE SYSTEM'S GONNA
  • 00:10:56.040 --> 00:10:56.290
  • BE IMPACTED.
  • 00:10:56.290 --> 00:10:57.210
  • SO WE WANNA REMIND PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:10:57.210 --> 00:10:59.060
  • YOU ARE CREATED BY GOD, LOVED BY
  • 00:10:59.060 --> 00:11:00.250
  • GOD, AND HE WANTS A RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:11:00.250 --> 00:11:03.100
  • WITH YOU, AND IF YOUR FOUNDATION
  • 00:11:03.100 --> 00:11:06.080
  • FOR YOUR IDENTITY IS THAT,
  • 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.010
  • INSTEAD OF THE CHANGING WINDS OF
  • 00:11:08.010 --> 00:11:10.090
  • FEELINGS OR POLITICAL
  • 00:11:10.090 --> 00:11:12.060
  • CORRECTNESS OR EVEN, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:12.060 --> 00:11:13.100
  • JOB STATUS, OR WHATEVER, THEN
  • 00:11:13.100 --> 00:11:14.140
  • YOUR IDENTITY IS MORE SECURE,
  • 00:11:14.140 --> 00:11:16.040
  • AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA
  • 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:18.170
  • REMIND PEOPLE, AND I THINK THAT
  • 00:11:18.170 --> 00:11:19.090
  • TODAY IT'S A VERY TIMELY
  • 00:11:19.090 --> 00:11:21.090
  • MESSAGE, GIVEN THE DEBATE GOING
  • 00:11:21.090 --> 00:11:22.210
  • ON IN OUR CULTURE.
  • 00:11:22.210 --> 00:11:23.200
  • - ERIC: YOU HAVE TO BE HAVING
  • 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.170
  • AN EFFECT WITH THESE FILMS TO
  • 00:11:25.170 --> 00:11:27.070
  • PEOPLE THAT MAYBE DON'T
  • 00:11:27.070 --> 00:11:29.120
  • SELF-IDENTIFY AS CHRISTIANS THE
  • 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:30.240
  • WAY WE MIGHT, AND I JUST THINK
  • 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.130
  • THAT, TO ME, IN SOME WAYS, IS
  • 00:11:32.130 --> 00:11:34.280
  • THE MOST EXCITING THING ABOUT
  • 00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:35.210
  • WHAT YOU DO.
  • 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:36.080
  • - ALEX: IT IS, AND, MATTER
  • 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.050
  • WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEE A GOOD,
  • 00:11:40.180 --> 00:11:41.090
  • WELL-TOLD STORY AND TO LEAVE
  • 00:11:41.090 --> 00:11:42.170
  • ENTERTAINED, BUT WE WANT THEM
  • 00:11:42.170 --> 00:11:43.080
  • LEAVING THE THEATER, ASKING
  • 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.280
  • THEMSELVES THE QUESTION, "WHAT
  • 00:11:44.280 --> 00:11:45.190
  • AND IF WHAT I THINK I'M KNOWN
  • 00:11:49.070 --> 00:11:51.050
  • FOR IS STRIPPED AWAY, DO I STILL
  • 00:11:51.050 --> 00:11:51.270
  • KNOW WHO I AM?"
  • 00:11:51.270 --> 00:11:52.220
  • IF THEY'RE ASKING THEMSELVES
  • 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:53.210
  • THOSE QUESTIONS, THEN WE'VE DONE
  • 00:11:53.210 --> 00:11:55.130
  • OUR JOB WITH THIS MOVIE.
  • 00:11:55.130 --> 00:11:56.010
  • - ERIC: WELL, THAT'S A
  • 00:11:56.010 --> 00:11:57.000
  • BIG THING.
  • 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:57.180
  • - STEPHEN: BUT IT'S A VERY
  • 00:11:57.180 --> 00:11:58.150
  • ENTERTAINING MOVIE.
  • 00:11:58.150 --> 00:11:59.020
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA LAUGH A LOT
  • 00:11:59.020 --> 00:12:01.030
  • IN THIS MOVIE.
  • 00:12:01.030 --> 00:12:01.170
  • YOU MAY SHED A TEAR.
  • 00:12:01.170 --> 00:12:02.230
  • IT'S A SPORTS-INSPIRATIONAL
  • 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:04.080
  • DRAMA, AND THE LAST 20 MINUTES
  • 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:05.200
  • OF THE MOVIE IS AN
  • 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:06.200
  • EDGE-OF-YOUR-SEAT
  • 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.100
  • STATE-CHAMPIONSHIP RUN THAT
  • 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:10.140
  • SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THE END
  • 00:12:10.140 --> 00:12:12.080
  • THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE COMING.
  • 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:13.190
  • - ERIC: THE IDEA THAT IT'S
  • 00:12:13.190 --> 00:12:14.190
  • CROSS-COUNTRY, I'M ALL IN FOR
  • 00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:16.010
  • THIS, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S
  • 00:12:16.010 --> 00:12:16.260
  • SPORTS AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE
  • 00:12:16.260 --> 00:12:18.150
  • DESCRIBING, I'M JUST-- I'M VERY
  • 00:12:18.150 --> 00:12:19.260
  • PROUD OF THE TWO OF YOU FOR
  • 00:12:19.260 --> 00:12:21.230
  • DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
  • 00:12:21.230 --> 00:12:23.090
  • I'M THRILLED YOU'RE DOING WHAT
  • 00:12:23.090 --> 00:12:25.040
  • YOU'RE DOING.
  • 00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:26.010
  • I WANNA SAY TO MY AUDIENCE,
  • 00:12:26.010 --> 00:12:27.260
  • AGAIN, THIS FILM IS OUT NOW.
  • 00:12:27.260 --> 00:12:30.100
  • YOU NEED TO CHECK IT OUT.
  • 00:12:30.100 --> 00:12:32.050
  • FILMS DON'T LAST FOREVER, SO,
  • 00:12:32.050 --> 00:12:33.270
  • LIKE, CHECK IT OUT IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:12:33.270 --> 00:12:35.040
  • HELP IT TO SUCCEED.
  • 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:36.100
  • THAT IS THE WEBSITE?
  • 00:12:38.180 --> 00:12:39.280
  • - BOTH: YES, OVERCOMERMOVIE--
  • 00:12:39.280 --> 00:12:40.190
  • - ERIC: OVERCOMERMOVIE.COM.
  • 00:12:40.190 --> 00:12:42.050
  • STEPHEN AND ALEX, GOD BLESS YOU,
  • 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:45.120
  • - ALEX: GOOD TO TALK TO YOU.
  • 00:12:48.290 --> 00:12:49.210
  • - STEPHEN: GREAT TO TALK TO
  • 00:12:49.210 --> 00:12:50.110
  • YOU, ERIC.
  • 00:12:50.110 --> 00:12:50.220
  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I GOTTA
  • 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:02.100
  • TELL YOU, EVERY NOW AND AGAIN ON
  • 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:03.050
  • THIS PROGRAM, I GET TO HAVE
  • 00:13:03.050 --> 00:13:04.010
  • NOTHIN' BUT FUN.
  • 00:13:04.010 --> 00:13:05.010
  • TODAY IS ONE OF THOSE DAYS
  • 00:13:05.010 --> 00:13:06.150
  • BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE IN THE
  • 00:13:06.150 --> 00:13:07.190
  • PASTOR GREG LAURIE.
  • 00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:12.210
  • GREG, WELCOME.
  • 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:14.130
  • - GREG: ERIC, GOOD TO BE
  • 00:13:14.130 --> 00:13:15.090
  • WITH YOU.
  • 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:16.090
  • - ERIC: AS SOON AS YOU SHOW UP,
  • 00:13:16.090 --> 00:13:17.060
  • I THOUGHT, "OKAY, ERIC, YOU
  • 00:13:17.060 --> 00:13:17.260
  • GOTTA TONE IT DOWN."
  • 00:13:17.260 --> 00:13:18.120
  • LIKE, I'M READY TO START
  • 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.140
  • JOKING WITH YOU ON A
  • 00:13:19.140 --> 00:13:20.010
  • LEVEL THAT WOULD BE
  • 00:13:20.010 --> 00:13:20.260
  • INAPPROPRIATE--
  • 00:13:20.260 --> 00:13:21.180
  • - GREG: WOW.
  • 00:13:21.180 --> 00:13:22.020
  • - ERIC: -- SO WE'RE GONNA TONE
  • 00:13:22.020 --> 00:13:22.240
  • IT DOWN IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.190
  • - GREG: I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
  • 00:13:23.190 --> 00:13:24.110
  • TONE IT DOWN.
  • 00:13:24.110 --> 00:13:24.270
  • - ERIC: WE SHOULD--
  • 00:13:24.270 --> 00:13:25.130
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:25.130 --> 00:13:26.190
  • - GREG: LET'S GO TO THE NEXT
  • 00:13:26.190 --> 00:13:27.100
  • LEVEL TODAY.
  • 00:13:27.100 --> 00:13:27.220
  • - ERIC: I'M LAUGHING FOR
  • 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:28.180
  • NO REASON.
  • 00:13:28.180 --> 00:13:29.040
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:29.040 --> 00:13:30.030
  • LET'S BOTH DESTROY
  • 00:13:30.030 --> 00:13:30.250
  • OUR REPUTATIONS.
  • 00:13:31.040 --> 00:13:34.040
  • - GREG: LET'S NOT DO THAT.
  • 00:13:34.040 --> 00:13:34.240
  • - ERIC: LET'S SPEND THE NEXT
  • 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:35.150
  • TEN YEARS TRYIN' TO GET BACK
  • 00:13:35.150 --> 00:13:36.050
  • WHAT WE LOST IN THE NEXT
  • 00:13:36.050 --> 00:13:37.000
  • FIVE MINUTES.
  • 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:37.140
  • - GREG: OKAY, WE WON'T DO THAT.
  • 00:13:37.140 --> 00:13:38.060
  • - ERIC: OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:13:38.060 --> 00:13:38.280
  • GONNA DO.
  • 00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:39.090
  • FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE A
  • 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:39.260
  • GREAT PASTOR.
  • 00:13:39.260 --> 00:13:40.090
  • YOU'VE GOT AN AMAZING CHURCH IN
  • 00:13:40.090 --> 00:13:41.110
  • ORANGE COUNTY.
  • 00:13:41.110 --> 00:13:42.080
  • THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE IS
  • 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.120
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE IN NEW YORK,
  • 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:45.110
  • TALKING ABOUT YOUR BRAND-NEW
  • 00:13:45.110 --> 00:13:47.030
  • BOOK ON JOHNNY CASH,
  • 00:13:47.030 --> 00:13:48.120
  • "THE REDEMPTION OF AN
  • 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:49.140
  • AMERICAN ICON."
  • 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:50.270
  • IT'S A BIG DEAL.
  • 00:13:50.270 --> 00:13:52.040
  • IT'S GONNA BE A DOCUMENTARY
  • 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:53.040
  • FILM SOON.
  • 00:13:53.040 --> 00:13:53.290
  • JOHNNY CASH IS AN IDOL OF SO
  • 00:13:53.290 --> 00:13:56.020
  • MANY PEOPLE.
  • 00:13:56.020 --> 00:13:56.220
  • HE WAS A PROFOUND CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:58.010
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TALK
  • 00:13:58.010 --> 00:13:59.020
  • ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:13:59.020 --> 00:13:59.180
  • SO I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT
  • 00:13:59.180 --> 00:14:00.290
  • WHY DID YOU WRITE THIS BOOK?
  • 00:14:02.210 --> 00:14:05.080
  • - GREG: YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:05.290
  • AFTER I WROTE THE BOOK ON
  • 00:14:05.290 --> 00:14:06.180
  • MCQUEEN, I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:14:06.180 --> 00:14:07.280
  • ASK ME, "ARE YOU GONNA DO
  • 00:14:07.280 --> 00:14:09.030
  • ANOTHER ONE, ANOTHER BOOK ON
  • 00:14:09.030 --> 00:14:09.230
  • SOMEONE LIKE THIS?"
  • 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:10.160
  • IT WOULD BE ON JOHNNY CASH."
  • 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:13.140
  • AND SO, I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW
  • 00:14:13.140 --> 00:14:15.040
  • JOHNNY'S STORY IN DEPTH.
  • 00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:16.190
  • I'D SEEN THE MOVIE, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:14:16.190 --> 00:14:17.250
  • "WALK THE LINE."
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:19.110
  • I HAD READ A COUPLE OF
  • 00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:20.110
  • BIOGRAPHIES OF CASH,
  • 00:14:20.110 --> 00:14:21.130
  • BUT I THOUGHT, "WELL, IF I'M
  • 00:14:21.130 --> 00:14:23.100
  • GONNA TELL THE STORY, I'M GONNA
  • 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.200
  • TELL IT FOR THE REASON OF
  • 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:25.140
  • WANTING TO PRESENT, SORT OF, A
  • 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:27.020
  • SPIRITUAL BIOGRAPHY."
  • 00:14:27.020 --> 00:14:27.250
  • THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
  • 00:14:27.250 --> 00:14:29.000
  • IT'S A SPIRITUAL BIOGRAPHY.
  • 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.110
  • THERE ARE OTHER BOOKS ON CASH
  • 00:14:31.110 --> 00:14:32.100
  • THAT ARE VERY GOOD, BUT I CAME
  • 00:14:32.100 --> 00:14:33.100
  • AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE,
  • 00:14:33.100 --> 00:14:36.100
  • AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HIS
  • 00:14:36.100 --> 00:14:37.240
  • VERY DEEP AND ABIDING
  • 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:38.110
  • FAITH THAT SUSTAINED HIM
  • 00:14:38.110 --> 00:14:40.280
  • THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE LIFE,
  • 00:14:40.280 --> 00:14:43.030
  • FROM HIS CHILDHOOD TO THE
  • 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:43.230
  • END OF HIS LIFE,
  • 00:14:43.230 --> 00:14:44.240
  • AND THAT'S WHAT SETS CASH APART.
  • 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.210
  • I MEAN, YEARS AND YEARS AGO,
  • 00:14:46.210 --> 00:14:48.230
  • THERE WAS A GUY NAMED
  • 00:14:48.230 --> 00:14:49.220
  • SAM PHILLIPS, WHO HAD A STUDIO
  • 00:14:49.220 --> 00:14:50.260
  • CALLED SUN RECORDS.
  • 00:14:50.260 --> 00:14:52.170
  • HE DISCOVERED ELVIS PRESLEY,
  • 00:14:52.170 --> 00:14:54.050
  • JERRY LEE LEWIS, CARL PERKINS,
  • 00:14:54.050 --> 00:14:56.090
  • AND JOHNNY CASH.
  • 00:14:56.090 --> 00:14:58.010
  • THEY CALLED THEM THE
  • 00:14:58.010 --> 00:14:58.280
  • "MILLIONAIRE QUARTET."
  • 00:14:58.280 --> 00:15:00.090
  • WELL, LOOK AT THE COURSE THAT
  • 00:15:00.090 --> 00:15:01.190
  • SOME OF THOSE LIVES TOOK,
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:04.270
  • ESPECIALLY ELVIS.
  • 00:15:04.270 --> 00:15:06.070
  • I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DIED
  • 00:15:06.070 --> 00:15:06.290
  • IN HIS MID-40s, DRUG ABUSE AND,
  • 00:15:06.290 --> 00:15:07.260
  • OF COURSE, THIS LIFE TOOK--
  • 00:15:07.270 --> 00:15:10.270
  • LOOK AT THE LIFE OF SO MANY
  • 00:15:10.270 --> 00:15:13.130
  • ROCK STARS THAT HAVE
  • 00:15:13.130 --> 00:15:14.160
  • COME AND GONE,
  • 00:15:14.160 --> 00:15:15.190
  • AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS
  • 00:15:15.190 --> 00:15:16.180
  • CASH IS NOT A STATISTIC-- AND,
  • 00:15:16.180 --> 00:15:18.150
  • REALLY, HE COULD'VE DIED SO
  • 00:15:18.150 --> 00:15:20.080
  • EASILY 'CAUSE HE DID LIVE A
  • 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.190
  • PRETTY WILD LIFE AT TIMES, BUT
  • 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:22.270
  • THE REASON HE DIDN'T BECOME
  • 00:15:22.270 --> 00:15:24.210
  • ANOTHER ROCK STATISTIC AND END
  • 00:15:24.210 --> 00:15:26.190
  • UP LIKE PEOPLE WE-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:26.190 --> 00:15:28.280
  • ERIC-- OR ERIC-- YOU'RE
  • 00:15:28.280 --> 00:15:31.100
  • ERIC METAXAS.
  • 00:15:31.100 --> 00:15:31.240
  • I WAS GONNA SAY--
  • 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:32.160
  • - ERIC: WHAT?
  • 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:33.030
  • WHAT?
  • 00:15:33.030 --> 00:15:33.170
  • - GREG: NO, I WAS GONNA SAY
  • 00:15:33.170 --> 00:15:34.200
  • JIMI HENDRIX OR JANIS JOPLIN, OR
  • 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.060
  • A HOST OF OTHERS IS BECAUSE CASH
  • 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:38.020
  • ALWAYS KNEW WHERE TO GO WHEN HE
  • 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:40.110
  • WAS IN TROUBLE, AND HE GOT
  • 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:41.280
  • HIMSELF IN TROUBLE USUALLY BY
  • 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:43.160
  • HIS OWN HAND, BUT HE ALWAYS CAME
  • 00:15:43.160 --> 00:15:44.240
  • BACK TO THE LORD.
  • 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.100
  • HE HAD THAT BEDROCK FAITH HE
  • 00:15:46.100 --> 00:15:48.020
  • WOULD TURN TO SO THAT'S WHY I
  • 00:15:48.020 --> 00:15:49.130
  • CALLED THIS BOOK,
  • 00:15:49.130 --> 00:15:52.120
  • "THE REDEMPTION OF
  • 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:52.290
  • AN AMERICAN ICON."
  • 00:15:52.290 --> 00:15:53.160
  • STEVE MCQUEEN WAS
  • 00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:54.120
  • "STEVE MCQUEEN:
  • 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.100
  • THE SALVATION OF AN
  • 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:55.280
  • AMERICAN ICON."
  • 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:57.030
  • THIS IS "THE REDEMPTION,"
  • 00:15:57.030 --> 00:15:58.140
  • BECAUSE THIS MAN WAS REDEEMED
  • 00:15:58.140 --> 00:16:00.070
  • OVER AND OVER BY THE LORD.
  • 00:16:00.070 --> 00:16:01.230
  • - ERIC: IT'S KIND OF TYPICAL
  • 00:16:01.230 --> 00:16:03.120
  • HOLLYWOOD, AND IT'S TYPICALLY
  • 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:04.220
  • BIZARRE AND TYPICALLY STRANGELY
  • 00:16:04.220 --> 00:16:06.090
  • SECULAR THAT THEY COULD TRY TO
  • 00:16:06.090 --> 00:16:08.210
  • TELL THE STORY AND DO A
  • 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:10.100
  • REASONABLY GOOD JOB BUT LEAVE
  • 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:11.120
  • OUT THE ONE THING THAT MADE HIM
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.220
  • WHO HE WAS.
  • 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:15.120
  • - GREG: YEAH, WELL, JOHNNY, YOU
  • 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.210
  • KNOW, HE SORT OF LIVED IN
  • 00:16:16.210 --> 00:16:18.160
  • TWO WORLDS.
  • 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:19.010
  • I MEAN, HE WAS BUDDIES WITH
  • 00:16:19.010 --> 00:16:20.100
  • WAYLON JENNINGS, WILLIE NELSON,
  • 00:16:20.100 --> 00:16:21.240
  • AND BILLY GRAHAM, SO GO FIGURE.
  • 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.240
  • WELL, HE LIVED, SORT OF,
  • 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.160
  • IN TWO WORLDS.
  • 00:16:25.160 --> 00:16:26.090
  • JOHNNY ONCE SAID, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:16:26.090 --> 00:16:27.230
  • "JOHNNY'S THE NICE ONE, AND CASH
  • 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:29.200
  • GIVES HIM ALL THE TROUBLE."
  • 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:31.170
  • SO, YOU KNOW, HE WAS ALWAYS
  • 00:16:31.170 --> 00:16:32.170
  • STRUGGLING AND SORT OF LIVING IN
  • 00:16:32.170 --> 00:16:33.280
  • TWO WORLDS, BUT THERE'S ONE
  • 00:16:33.280 --> 00:16:35.030
  • THING THAT'S CERTAIN: HE NEVER
  • 00:16:35.030 --> 00:16:36.110
  • EVEN CAME CLOSE TO DENYING
  • 00:16:36.110 --> 00:16:37.160
  • HIS FAITH.
  • 00:16:37.160 --> 00:16:39.150
  • IN FACT, HE USED EVERY
  • 00:16:39.150 --> 00:16:41.220
  • OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP FOR
  • 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:42.120
  • HIS FAITH.
  • 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:42.250
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN HE FIRST WENT TO
  • 00:16:42.250 --> 00:16:43.240
  • SAM PHILLIPS WITH SOME SONG
  • 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.120
  • IDEAS, JOHNNY WANTED TO BE A
  • 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:46.180
  • GOSPEL SINGER, AND SAM PHILLIPS
  • 00:16:46.180 --> 00:16:48.060
  • SAID, "NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR
  • 00:16:48.060 --> 00:16:49.100
  • GOSPEL SONGS,"
  • 00:16:49.100 --> 00:16:50.190
  • SO THEY CAME UP WITH SOME
  • 00:16:50.190 --> 00:16:51.170
  • OTHER SONGS, "HEY, PORTER,"
  • 00:16:51.170 --> 00:16:52.210
  • AND ANOTHER, THAT SORT
  • 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:55.060
  • OF LAUNCHED HIS CAREER, BUT
  • 00:16:55.060 --> 00:16:56.160
  • JOHNNY KEPT COMING BACK TO THESE
  • 00:16:56.160 --> 00:16:59.140
  • GOSPEL ROOTS.
  • 00:16:59.140 --> 00:17:00.190
  • IN THE '70s, HE HAD A HUGE
  • 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:02.010
  • TELEVISION SHOW, AND HE USED IT
  • 00:17:02.010 --> 00:17:03.200
  • AS A PLATFORM TO TALK ABOUT HIS
  • 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.010
  • FAITH AND SING GOSPEL SONGS.
  • 00:17:05.010 --> 00:17:08.000
  • HE EVEN HAD BILLY GRAHAM
  • 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.130
  • ON THE SHOW.
  • 00:17:09.130 --> 00:17:09.250
  • HE APPEARED AT BILLY GRAHAM
  • 00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:11.050
  • CRUSADES, BUT THEN HE GOT
  • 00:17:11.050 --> 00:17:13.140
  • ARRESTED FOR TRYING TO SMUGGLE
  • 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:14.280
  • AMPHETAMINES OVER THE BORDER
  • 00:17:14.280 --> 00:17:16.040
  • FROM MEXICO.
  • 00:17:16.040 --> 00:17:17.040
  • - ERIC: IS THAT WRONG?
  • 00:17:17.040 --> 00:17:18.130
  • - GREG: TO DO THAT?
  • 00:17:18.130 --> 00:17:19.110
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:17:19.110 --> 00:17:19.240
  • - GREG: YES, IT IS.
  • 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:20.170
  • - ERIC: HOLY COW.
  • 00:17:20.170 --> 00:17:21.020
  • - GREG: YEAH.
  • 00:17:21.020 --> 00:17:22.170
  • - ERIC: ALBIN, WE'RE
  • 00:17:22.170 --> 00:17:23.040
  • IN TROUBLE.
  • 00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:23.180
  • GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.
  • 00:17:23.180 --> 00:17:24.190
  • - GREG: YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:17:24.190 --> 00:17:25.090
  • HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:17:25.090 --> 00:17:26.170
  • HE WAS SO EXHAUSTED ON THE ROAD,
  • 00:17:30.010 --> 00:17:31.070
  • AND HE JUST COULDN'T KEEP UP
  • 00:17:31.070 --> 00:17:31.270
  • WITH THE PACE OF IT,
  • 00:17:31.270 --> 00:17:32.210
  • AND SOMEONE SAID,
  • 00:17:32.210 --> 00:17:33.140
  • "HERE, TAKE THESE LITTLE
  • 00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:34.260
  • - ERIC: ISN'T IT-- I MEAN, YOU
  • 00:17:36.170 --> 00:17:37.090
  • HEAR THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
  • 00:17:37.090 --> 00:17:38.000
  • PEOPLE'S LIVES WERE RUINED BY
  • 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:38.290
  • WELL-MEANING HANGERS-ON, RIGHT?
  • 00:17:38.290 --> 00:17:41.250
  • I MEAN, IT HAPPENED TO ELVIS,
  • 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:43.000
  • IT HAPPENED TO JUDY GARLAND:
  • 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.080
  • "JUST TAKE THESE PILLS.
  • 00:17:44.080 --> 00:17:45.200
  • TAKE THESE PILLS."
  • 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.040
  • AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A
  • 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:47.210
  • SENSE IN THOSE DECADES THAT,
  • 00:17:47.210 --> 00:17:49.080
  • HEY, THESE ARE SCARY DRUGS
  • 00:17:49.080 --> 00:17:51.150
  • THAT CAN TOTALLY
  • 00:17:51.150 --> 00:17:53.100
  • DESTROY YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:17:53.100 --> 00:17:55.160
  • THEY JUST KIND OF THOUGHT,
  • 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.070
  • "OH, THIS IS A NEW THING THAT
  • 00:17:57.070 --> 00:17:57.280
  • CAN HELP ME."
  • 00:17:57.280 --> 00:17:58.140
  • - GREG: YEAH, AND HE THOUGHT
  • 00:17:58.140 --> 00:17:59.290
  • THEY WERE FROM GOD.
  • 00:17:59.290 --> 00:18:01.050
  • HE THOUGHT, "THESE ARE A GIFT
  • 00:18:01.050 --> 00:18:02.060
  • FROM GOD."
  • 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:03.080
  • WELL, THEY TURNED OUT TO BE
  • 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:04.070
  • THE OPPOSITE BECAUSE
  • 00:18:04.070 --> 00:18:05.240
  • JOHNNY HAD A VULNERABILITY IN
  • 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.220
  • THE AREA OF DRUGS AND ALCOHOL,
  • 00:18:07.220 --> 00:18:09.070
  • AND IT WAS AN AREA HE STRUGGLED
  • 00:18:09.070 --> 00:18:11.120
  • WITH THROUGH MUCH OF HIS LIFE.
  • 00:18:11.120 --> 00:18:13.160
  • YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SURPRISES
  • 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.070
  • OF WRITING THIS BOOK WAS HOW
  • 00:18:15.070 --> 00:18:17.060
  • MUCH HE STRUGGLED IN LIFE.
  • 00:18:17.060 --> 00:18:18.240
  • I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE
  • 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:19.210
  • STRUGGLES HAPPENED WAY INTO HIS
  • 00:18:19.210 --> 00:18:21.250
  • ADULT YEARS, BUT HE ALWAYS CAME
  • 00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:23.150
  • BACK TO HIS FAITH, AND EVEN AT
  • 00:18:23.150 --> 00:18:24.270
  • TIMES WHEN THERE WAS A PUBLIC
  • 00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:28.170
  • INCIDENT-- AND HE WRECKED A LOT
  • 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:29.260
  • OF CARS, BY THE WAY.
  • 00:18:29.260 --> 00:18:30.120
  • HE PRETTY MUCH, BY HIS OWN
  • 00:18:30.120 --> 00:18:31.250
  • ADMISSION, WRECKED EVERY CAR HE
  • 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:32.170
  • EVER OWNED.
  • 00:18:32.170 --> 00:18:34.120
  • HE WOULD DRIVE CRAZY AND
  • 00:18:34.120 --> 00:18:35.070
  • RECKLESSLY AT TIMES AND-- BUT
  • 00:18:35.070 --> 00:18:36.220
  • EVEN WHEN HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE,
  • 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:38.190
  • BILLY GRAHAM WOULD STILL LET HIM
  • 00:18:38.190 --> 00:18:39.250
  • ON HIS STAGE.
  • 00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:41.070
  • BILLY WAS CRITICIZED FOR THAT,
  • 00:18:41.070 --> 00:18:42.250
  • BUT BILLY HAD AN AFFECTION FOR
  • 00:18:42.250 --> 00:18:44.060
  • JOHNNY, AND I THINK THEY WERE
  • 00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:46.100
  • VERY GOOD FRIENDS.
  • 00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:47.070
  • I THINK THAT BILLY COULD SEE
  • 00:18:47.070 --> 00:18:49.170
  • JOHNNY WAS A SINCERE, AUTHENTIC
  • 00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:50.200
  • MAN WHO STRUGGLED.
  • 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:53.070
  • OKAY, SO THIS IS A STORY OF A
  • 00:18:53.070 --> 00:18:53.280
  • STRUGGLING CHRISTIAN, AND YOU
  • 00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:54.260
  • KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:18:54.260 --> 00:18:56.250
  • THAT'S THE STORY OF A LOT OF
  • 00:18:56.250 --> 00:18:57.270
  • PEOPLE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:18:57.280 --> 00:19:01.000
  • - ERIC: YEAH, MANY PEOPLE DON'T
  • 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.020
  • KNOW THIS: WHEN HE WAS YOUNG,
  • 00:19:02.020 --> 00:19:02.230
  • HE HAD A REAL TRAGEDY IN HIS
  • 00:19:02.230 --> 00:19:03.130
  • LIFE,
  • 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:03.220
  • AND THAT'S IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:04.100
  • TELL US ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:19:04.100 --> 00:19:06.280
  • - GREG: JOHNNY LIVED IN
  • 00:19:06.280 --> 00:19:07.260
  • COMPLETE POVERTY WITH HIS
  • 00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:08.150
  • FAMILY THERE IN ARKANSAS,
  • 00:19:08.150 --> 00:19:10.240
  • DYESS, ARKANSAS,
  • 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.130
  • AND HE LITERALLY WENT
  • 00:19:12.130 --> 00:19:13.060
  • OUT IN THE FIELDS AND PICKED
  • 00:19:13.060 --> 00:19:14.120
  • COTTON EVERY DAY.
  • 00:19:14.120 --> 00:19:16.050
  • THAT WAS THEIR FORM OF
  • 00:19:16.050 --> 00:19:16.220
  • LIVELIHOOD.
  • 00:19:16.220 --> 00:19:17.220
  • HE HAD A VERY AUSTERE, HARSH
  • 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:19.000
  • FATHER, RAY CASH, AND HE HAD A
  • 00:19:19.270 --> 00:19:22.270
  • BROTHER NAMED JACK THAT JOHNNY
  • 00:19:22.270 --> 00:19:24.230
  • JUST LOVED AND IDOLIZED AND
  • 00:19:24.230 --> 00:19:26.190
  • LOOKED UP TO.
  • 00:19:26.190 --> 00:19:28.220
  • THOUGH RAY WAS ONLY A COUPLE OF
  • 00:19:28.220 --> 00:19:29.180
  • YEARS OLDER THAN JOHNNY, HE WAS
  • 00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:30.260
  • A REAL INFLUENCE ON JOHNNY'S
  • 00:19:30.260 --> 00:19:33.130
  • LIFE, AND RAY WAS A VERY GODLY
  • 00:19:33.130 --> 00:19:34.140
  • YOUNG MAN.
  • 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:36.030
  • IN FACT--
  • 00:19:36.030 --> 00:19:37.060
  • - ERIC: YOU MEAN JACK?
  • 00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:38.070
  • - GREG: EXCUSE ME, FORGIVE ME,
  • 00:19:38.070 --> 00:19:38.290
  • YEAH, JACK.
  • 00:19:38.290 --> 00:19:39.140
  • JACK WAS A VERY GODLY YOUNG MAN
  • 00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:41.130
  • AND ACTUALLY ASPIRED TO BE A
  • 00:19:41.130 --> 00:19:42.180
  • PREACHER, MEMORIZED HIS
  • 00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:43.180
  • SCRIPTURE, ALWAYS READING THE
  • 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:44.280
  • BIBLE, AND SO THEY WOULD OFTEN
  • 00:19:44.280 --> 00:19:47.230
  • GO FISHING TOGETHER, AND SO
  • 00:19:47.230 --> 00:19:50.100
  • JACK, HIS OLDER BROTHER, WOULD
  • 00:19:50.100 --> 00:19:51.090
  • KEEP JOHNNY IN THE STRAIGHT
  • 00:19:51.090 --> 00:19:52.100
  • AND NARROW.
  • 00:19:52.100 --> 00:19:54.030
  • WELL, ONE DAY, THEY WERE GOING
  • 00:19:54.030 --> 00:19:54.270
  • FISHING, AND INSTEAD OF GOING
  • 00:19:54.270 --> 00:19:56.060
  • WITH HIM, HIS BROTHER WENT TO A
  • 00:19:56.060 --> 00:19:57.240
  • SAW MILL TO MAKE SOME EXTRA
  • 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.070
  • MONEY, AND TRAGICALLY HE WAS
  • 00:19:59.070 --> 00:19:59.280
  • PULLED INTO THE SAW.
  • 00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:01.220
  • IT RIPPED HIM OPEN.
  • 00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:02.280
  • HE DIED A FEW DAYS LATER.
  • 00:20:03.090 --> 00:20:06.090
  • JOHNNY WAS THERE IN THE ROOM
  • 00:20:06.090 --> 00:20:06.290
  • WITH HIS BROTHER AS HE
  • 00:20:06.290 --> 00:20:09.010
  • ENTERED ETERNITY,
  • 00:20:09.010 --> 00:20:09.200
  • AND IT WAS DEVASTATING.
  • 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:10.270
  • AND SO JOHNNY'S FATHER,
  • 00:20:10.270 --> 00:20:12.280
  • RAY CASH, ACTUALLY SAID TO
  • 00:20:12.280 --> 00:20:14.220
  • JOHNNY AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS
  • 00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:16.040
  • SON AND JOHNNY'S BROTHER,
  • 00:20:16.040 --> 00:20:18.040
  • "GOD TOOK THE WRONG SON."
  • 00:20:18.040 --> 00:20:19.080
  • SO JOHNNY LIVED HIS WHOLE
  • 00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:21.050
  • LIFE UNDER THAT CLOUD OF--
  • 00:20:21.050 --> 00:20:22.060
  • - ERIC: WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:20:22.060 --> 00:20:23.190
  • - GREG: YES?
  • 00:20:23.190 --> 00:20:24.220
  • - ERIC: WHAT?
  • 00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:26.030
  • - GREG: YEAH, HE SAID THAT.
  • 00:20:26.030 --> 00:20:27.040
  • - ERIC: THIS IS BEFORE
  • 00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:28.000
  • DR. SPOCK AND DR. JOYCE BROTHERS
  • 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.290
  • TOLD US, "YOU DON'T SAY STUFF
  • 00:20:29.290 --> 00:20:31.060
  • LIKE THAT TO KIDS."
  • 00:20:31.060 --> 00:20:32.180
  • - GREG: NO.
  • 00:20:32.180 --> 00:20:33.000
  • - ERIC: BUT, SERIOUSLY, WHEN
  • 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:33.280
  • YOU HEAR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
  • 00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:34.260
  • YOU CANNOT BELIEVE THAT A FATHER
  • 00:20:34.260 --> 00:20:36.170
  • COULD SAY SUCH A THING, SUCH A
  • 00:20:37.070 --> 00:20:40.070
  • HORRIBLE THING, BUT, I MEAN, IN
  • 00:20:40.070 --> 00:20:42.060
  • FAIRNESS TO RAY CASH AND OTHERS
  • 00:20:42.060 --> 00:20:44.060
  • WHO'VE SAID THINGS LIKE THAT,
  • 00:20:44.060 --> 00:20:45.190
  • THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT
  • 00:20:45.190 --> 00:20:46.260
  • A DEEP WOUND YOU CAN CAUSE WITH
  • 00:20:47.130 --> 00:20:50.130
  • A FEW WORDS.
  • 00:20:50.130 --> 00:20:51.250
  • - GREG: YEAH.
  • 00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:52.080
  • - ERIC: BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:53.130
  • HAVE HEARD THINGS LIKE THAT FROM
  • 00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:54.120
  • PARENTS, AND YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE
  • 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:56.230
  • THOSE PARENTS,
  • 00:20:56.230 --> 00:20:57.070
  • BUT IT'S NOT EASY.
  • 00:20:57.070 --> 00:20:58.140
  • BUT THIS YOUNG MAN, JOHNNY CASH,
  • 00:20:58.140 --> 00:20:59.230
  • THAT REALLY WOUNDED HIM.
  • 00:21:00.050 --> 00:21:03.050
  • - GREG: IT DID, BUT JOHNNY HAD
  • 00:21:03.050 --> 00:21:04.010
  • A VERY STRONG MOTHER IN HIS MOM,
  • 00:21:04.010 --> 00:21:05.190
  • CARRIE.
  • 00:21:06.120 --> 00:21:09.120
  • SHE WAS A VERY NURTURING,
  • 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:10.010
  • LOVING, CHRISTIAN MOTHER, AND SO
  • 00:21:10.010 --> 00:21:11.040
  • SHE KIND OF, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:13.170
  • COUNTERBALANCED THE WORDS OF RAY
  • 00:21:13.170 --> 00:21:14.200
  • 'CAUSE RAY WANTED JOHNNY-- HE
  • 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:18.140
  • SAID, "THIS IS A WASTE OF YOUR
  • 00:21:18.140 --> 00:21:19.160
  • TIME TO PURSUE MUSIC.
  • 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:20.120
  • YOU'LL NEVER MAKE MONEY
  • 00:21:20.120 --> 00:21:21.140
  • DOIN' THAT.
  • 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:25.280
  • WHY DO YOU SIT THERE, LISTENING
  • 00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:26.200
  • TO THAT RADIO?
  • 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:27.030
  • IT'S NOT REAL.
  • 00:21:27.030 --> 00:21:27.160
  • THOSE ARE JUST RECORDINGS.
  • 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:28.050
  • IT WON'T TAKE YOU ANYWHERE."
  • 00:21:28.050 --> 00:21:28.250
  • WELL, FAMOUS LAST WORDS.
  • 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:29.210
  • YOU KNOW, JOHNNY WENT ON, HAVING
  • 00:21:29.210 --> 00:21:31.120
  • GLOBAL FAME AS A RESULT, BUT
  • 00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:33.110
  • IT'S HIS MOTHER THAT KEPT HIM
  • 00:21:33.110 --> 00:21:35.150
  • GOING, BUT, YOU KNOW, HIS FATHER
  • 00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:37.020
  • WAS NEVER ALL THAT IMPRESSED
  • 00:21:37.020 --> 00:21:38.140
  • WITH HIM, AND EVEN IN HIS ADULT
  • 00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:40.000
  • YEARS, THE FATHER, YOU KNOW, DID
  • 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.070
  • NOT GIVE MANY COMPLIMENTS TO
  • 00:21:42.070 --> 00:21:43.250
  • BUT THAT KIND OF FORMED
  • 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:48.010
  • HIS CHARACTER.
  • 00:21:48.010 --> 00:21:48.160
  • YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IN LIFE HARD
  • 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.080
  • THINGS HAPPEN.
  • 00:21:49.080 --> 00:21:50.010
  • WE CAN'T CONTROL THE FAMILY
  • 00:21:50.010 --> 00:21:51.140
  • WE'RE BORN INTO.
  • 00:21:51.140 --> 00:21:52.070
  • WE CAN'T CONTROL THE
  • 00:21:52.070 --> 00:21:53.180
  • CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME OUR WAY
  • 00:21:53.180 --> 00:21:54.100
  • BUT THEY DO MOLD US INTO WHO WE
  • 00:21:57.090 --> 00:21:58.010
  • BECOME, SOMETIMES FOR BETTER,
  • 00:21:58.010 --> 00:21:59.170
  • OTHER TIMES FOR WORSE, AND THAT
  • 00:21:59.170 --> 00:22:00.110
  • ALL PLAYED INTO THIS MAN,
  • 00:22:00.110 --> 00:22:02.200
  • JOHNNY CASH, WHO WAS, YES, "A
  • 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.000
  • MAN'S MAN," KIND OF A TOUGH GUY,
  • 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.050
  • BUT HE HAD A VERY TENDER HEART.
  • 00:22:06.050 --> 00:22:07.290
  • HE WAS AN ARTIST.
  • 00:22:07.290 --> 00:22:09.150
  • HE WAS A MUSICIAN.
  • 00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:10.160
  • HE WAS BOTH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.030
  • THINK IT HELPED HIM TO BECOME
  • 00:22:13.030 --> 00:22:14.190
  • THE MAN HE BECAME.
  • 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.000
  • - ERIC: NOW, TOWARD THE END OF
  • 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.220
  • HIS LIFE, I ASSUME HE DIDN'T
  • 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.000
  • HAVE THE STRUGGLES THAT, AT SOME
  • 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.200
  • POINT, HE GOT PAST THE
  • 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:24.160
  • ADDICTIONS AND THE ALCOHOLISM?
  • 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.250
  • - GREG: IT TOOK LONGER THAN ONE
  • 00:22:26.250 --> 00:22:28.160
  • WOULD THINK BECAUSE HE KEPT
  • 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.200
  • HAVING RELAPSES.
  • 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.240
  • HE STARTED WITH AMPHETAMINES.
  • 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:33.000
  • HE GOT INTO DRINKING.
  • 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.250
  • HE WAS LIVING SORT OF A TYPICAL
  • 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:35.190
  • ROCK-AND-ROLL LIFE, IF YOU WILL,
  • 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:37.090
  • EXCEPT IT WAS COUNTRY MUSIC.
  • 00:22:37.090 --> 00:22:38.170
  • - ERIC: WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND
  • 00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:39.280
  • HERE?
  • 00:22:39.280 --> 00:22:40.110
  • - GREG: BUT THE BEST WORK OF
  • 00:22:40.110 --> 00:22:41.200
  • HIS CAREER MUSICALLY WAS IN THE
  • 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.230
  • FINAL TEN YEARS WITH RICK RUBIN,
  • 00:22:43.110 --> 00:22:46.110
  • I THINK, AND ALSO IT WAS A GREAT
  • 00:22:46.110 --> 00:22:48.280
  • TIME FOR HIM SPIRITUALLY, WHERE
  • 00:22:48.280 --> 00:22:50.090
  • HE REALLY DEEPENED IN HIS FAITH.
  • 00:22:50.090 --> 00:22:52.090
  • IN FACT, HE BECAME SORT OF THE
  • 00:22:52.090 --> 00:22:54.050
  • SPIRITUAL ROCK OF HIS FAMILY,
  • 00:22:54.050 --> 00:22:55.100
  • WHERE, UP TO THAT POINT,
  • 00:22:55.100 --> 00:22:57.040
  • EVERYONE WAS TRYIN' TO HELP
  • 00:22:57.040 --> 00:22:58.140
  • JOHNNY WALK THE LINE, RIGHT?
  • 00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:00.110
  • AND IN THE END, IT WAS JOHNNY
  • 00:23:00.110 --> 00:23:02.020
  • WHO HAD THE BEDROCK FAITH, AND
  • 00:23:02.020 --> 00:23:03.250
  • AN INTERVIEWER ASKED HIM AFTER
  • 00:23:03.250 --> 00:23:06.040
  • HIS WIFE DIED BECAUSE,
  • 00:23:06.040 --> 00:23:06.210
  • SURPRISINGLY, JUNE PRECEDED HIM
  • 00:23:07.050 --> 00:23:10.050
  • IN DEATH--
  • 00:23:10.050 --> 00:23:11.220
  • - ERIC: YES, THAT'S-- YEAH,
  • 00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:12.220
  • THAT IS A SURPRISE,
  • 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:14.110
  • THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:23:14.110 --> 00:23:15.090
  • - GREG: THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW
  • 00:23:15.090 --> 00:23:16.000
  • ILL SHE WAS.
  • 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.060
  • SHE HAD A LEAKING HEART VALVE,
  • 00:23:18.060 --> 00:23:18.270
  • AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW
  • 00:23:18.270 --> 00:23:19.150
  • BAD SHE WAS.
  • 00:23:19.150 --> 00:23:19.270
  • SEE, SHE WAS SO BUSY TENDING TO
  • 00:23:19.270 --> 00:23:22.230
  • JOHNNY WITH ALL OF HIS MEDICAL
  • 00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:23.140
  • ISSUES WHICH WERE CONSTANT AT
  • 00:23:23.140 --> 00:23:24.220
  • THIS POINT, SHE DIDN'T TAKE CARE
  • 00:23:24.220 --> 00:23:26.100
  • OF HERSELF, AND SHE ENDED UP
  • 00:23:26.100 --> 00:23:27.190
  • DYING BEFORE HIM, AND SO, FOR
  • 00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:29.010
  • THE PAST LAST FEW MONTHS OF HIS
  • 00:23:29.010 --> 00:23:31.060
  • LIFE, HE WENT BACK IN THE
  • 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:32.150
  • STUDIO, DID SOME FINAL
  • 00:23:32.150 --> 00:23:33.050
  • RECORDINGS, AND THEN JOINED HER,
  • 00:23:33.050 --> 00:23:35.000
  • BUT SOMEONE ASKED HIM, "WELL,
  • 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:36.230
  • HAS THIS AFFECTED YOUR FAITH?"
  • 00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:38.020
  • AND JOHNNY SAID TO THE
  • 00:23:38.020 --> 00:23:39.270
  • INTERVIEWER KURT LODER OF MTV
  • 00:23:39.270 --> 00:23:42.210
  • NEWS, HE SAID, "I HAVE AN
  • 00:23:42.210 --> 00:23:43.120
  • UNSHAKABLE FAITH."
  • 00:23:43.120 --> 00:23:45.150
  • AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:23:45.150 --> 00:23:46.120
  • YOU SEE IN THIS BOOK 'CAUSE,
  • 00:23:46.120 --> 00:23:48.060
  • YOU KNOW, HE DID HAVE LAPSES,
  • 00:23:48.060 --> 00:23:49.190
  • HE DID STUMBLE AND FALL,
  • 00:23:49.190 --> 00:23:50.070
  • BUT JOHNNY CASH HAD AN
  • 00:23:50.070 --> 00:23:52.140
  • UNSHAKABLE FAITH FROM THE EARLY
  • 00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:53.110
  • DAYS OF HIS CHILDHOOD, PICKING
  • 00:23:53.110 --> 00:23:54.160
  • TO THE PEAK OF HIS SUCCESS, UP
  • 00:23:56.190 --> 00:23:57.260
  • THROUGH HIS HIGHS AND LOWS AND
  • 00:23:57.260 --> 00:24:00.080
  • SETBACKS, AND THEN, ULTIMATELY,
  • 00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:02.010
  • IN THE END, AND THAT FAITH IS
  • 00:24:02.010 --> 00:24:04.100
  • AND I'M CONVINCED THAT FAITH IS
  • 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:06.260
  • WHAT SAVED HIM, AND THAT'S WHY I
  • 00:24:06.260 --> 00:24:07.230
  • WROTE THE BOOK.
  • 00:24:07.230 --> 00:24:09.020
  • - ERIC: WELL, THERE'S
  • 00:24:09.020 --> 00:24:09.200
  • NO QUESTION.
  • 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:10.120
  • I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU WROTE
  • 00:24:10.120 --> 00:24:11.190
  • THE BOOK, GREG LAURIE.
  • 00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:12.090
  • I AM SO THRILLED, GREG, TO HAVE
  • 00:24:12.090 --> 00:24:14.240
  • YOU HERE IN THE STUDIO.
  • 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:16.020
  • THE BOOK, FOLKS, "JOHNNY CASH:
  • 00:24:16.020 --> 00:24:17.130
  • THE REDEMPTION OF
  • 00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:18.230
  • AN AMERICAN ICON."
  • 00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:19.080
  • GREG, MY FRIEND, THANK YOU.
  • 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:20.220
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP
  • 00:24:25.020 --> 00:24:26.200
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T--
  • 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.170
  • CAN'T STOP,
  • 00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:29.200
  • - PHIL: SURELY, ERIC, HE DIDN'T
  • 00:24:33.230 --> 00:24:34.210
  • PUT THIS HERE TO BE SCRAPED OFF
  • 00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:35.190
  • EVERY DAY.
  • 00:24:35.190 --> 00:24:37.120
  • - ERIC: OH-OHH.
  • 00:24:37.120 --> 00:24:37.280
  • - PHIL: BUT IT DOESN'T EVEN
  • 00:24:37.280 --> 00:24:38.180
  • MAKE SENSE.
  • 00:24:38.180 --> 00:24:39.190
  • WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT GOD WOULD
  • 00:24:39.190 --> 00:24:40.170
  • PUT A PLATFORM IN FRONT OF US
  • 00:24:40.170 --> 00:24:42.170
  • WHEREBY WE WOULD WIN TO JESUS
  • 00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:45.120
  • THOUSANDS, AND I LOOKED AT IT,
  • 00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:48.000
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:24:52.080 --> 00:24:52.240
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:53.230
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:24:53.230 --> 00:24:54.160
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:55.180
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:57.130