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October 25, 2019
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Guest Anne Beiler

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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW
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  • WE'VE GOT A SURPRISE FOR YOU
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  • UNLESS YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT I'M
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  • GONNA SAY, AND THEN IT'S NOT A
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  • SURPRISE, BUT IF YOU DON'T,
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  • IT'S A SURPRISE.
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  • I'M SITTING HERE WITH, TO SOME
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  • SHE'S TOO YOUNG, REALLY, TO BE
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  • AN ICON, BUT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR
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  • WITH ANNE'S PRETZELS, THE
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  • EPONYMOUS ANNE IS WITH ME,
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  • ANNE BEILER.
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  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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  • - ANNE BEILER: THANKS, ERIC.
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  • I AM SO EXCITED TO BE
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  • HERE TODAY.
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  • - ERIC: I ONLY HAD YOU ON
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  • BECAUSE I'M DYING TO USE THE
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  • WORD "EPONYMOUS."
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • SO YOU REALLY ARE THE WOMAN
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  • BEHIND AUNTIE ANNE'S PRETZELS,
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  • AND BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE
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  • PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT'S MADE UP
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  • LIKE, YOU KNOW, AUNT JEMIMA OR
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  • SOMETHING, BUT, NO, NO, NO,
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  • - ANNE: I AM "SHE," YES, I AM,
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  • AND MANY PEOPLE, LIKE YOU, THEY
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  • KNOW ABOUT AUNTIE ANNE'S
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  • PRETZELS, BUT THEY TRULY THINK
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  • THAT AUNTIE ANNE IS LIKE AN
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  • AUNT JEMIMA SOMEWHERE--
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  • - ERIC: IT'S MADE UP.
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  • - ANNE: -- BUT I AM ALIVE
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  • - ERIC: YOU'RE MADE UP.
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  • YOU'RE LIKE UNCLE BEN'S
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  • CONVERTED RICE.
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  • LIKE, THERE'S NO UNCLE BEN, BUT
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  • THERE'S AN AUNTIE ANNE.
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  • NOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT-- YOU'RE
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  • SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE
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  • COLONEL SANDERS OF PRETZELS.
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  • - ANNE: YES.
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  • - ERIC: HOW INSULTING TO SAY TO
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  • A WOMAN ON ONE'S OWN PROGRAM.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ANNE: IT'S OKAY.
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  • - ERIC: I'M SO SORRY.
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  • I'M SO SORRY.
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  • - ANNE: THAT IS ALL RIGHT.
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  • DON'T FEEL BAD.
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  • - ERIC: YOU-- NOW, LISTEN, YOU
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  • GOT A REAL STORY, AND YOU'VE
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  • WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT, SO
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  • THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
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  • I WANT YOU TO TELL YOUR STORY.
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  • THE BOOK IS CALLED "THE SECRET
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  • LIES WITHIN: AN INSIDE OUT LOOK
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  • AT OVERCOMING TRAUMA AND FINDING
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  • PURPOSE IN THE PAIN."
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  • YOU HAVE A REAL STORY.
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  • BEFORE WE GO TO THE BEGINNING,
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  • WHEN DID YOU FOUND ANNE'S
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  • PRETZELS?
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  • - ANNE: AUNTIE ANNE'S WAS
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  • CREATED IN 1988, AND WE STARTED
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  • AT A LITTLE FARMERS MARKET IN
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  • DOWNINGTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA,
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  • AND WE WERE THERE.
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  • THE FIRST YEAR, WE OPENED ONE
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  • STORE IN FEBRUARY;
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  • THE SECOND ONE IN JULY,
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  • AND WE HAD NO IDEA THAT
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  • AUNTIE ANNE'S WAS GONNA GO
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  • ON TO BECOME AN INTERNATIONAL
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  • FRANCHISE COMPANY,
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  • BUT I WENT TO WORK,
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  • ERIC, JUST TO MAKE THE
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  • DOUGH, OKAY?
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  • I MEAN, THAT'S WHY-- TO PAY
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  • THE BILLS.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ERIC: OKAY.
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  • - ANNE: THERE WAS REALLY NO
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  • PLAN BEHIND IT, EXCEPT I JUST
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  • WENT TO WORK TO SUPPORT
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  • MY HUSBAND.
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  • - ERIC: RIGHT, AND YOU HAVE
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  • REALLY DRAMATICALLY SUCCEEDED.
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  • THERE ARE NOW 1.900 LOCATIONS,
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  • BUT YOU SOLD THE BUSINESS, WHAT,
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  • 15, 14 YEARS AGO?
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  • - ANNE: IN '05, YES.
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  • WE BUILT THE COMPANY UP TO ABOUT
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  • 900 LOCATIONS AT THAT TIME, AND
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  • IT WAS A REALLY FAST GROWTH FOR
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  • ME, THIS LITTLE AMISH GIRL FROM
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  • LANCASTER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA,
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  • WHO HAD NEVER DONE ANY KIND OF
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  • BUSINESS BEFORE, AND WE FIND
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  • OURSELVES GOING AROUND THE
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  • WORLD, SELLING PRETZELS AND
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  • LEMONADE, AND WE DIDN'T DO
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  • THAT-- I DIDN'T TRAVEL THERE IN
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  • MY HORSE AND BUGGY.
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  • I ACTUALLY FLEW AROUND COUNTRY.
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  • - ERIC: HOLY COW.
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  • - ANNE: YEAH, YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: DO THEY HAVE
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  • HORSE-DRAWN PLANES THAT I'M
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  • UNAWARE OF?
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  • - ANNE: NO.
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  • THEY DO NOT.
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  • THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FLY ON
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  • THE PLANES, YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • - ERIC: WELL, I THINK I KNEW
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  • THAT.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • THAT WAS REALLY THE BASIS OF THE
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  • STUPID JOKE.
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  • ALL RIGHT, SO YOUR BOOK IS
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  • CALLED
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  • "THE SECRET LIES WITHIN:
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  • AN INSIDE OUT LOOK AT OVERCOMING
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  • TRAUMA AND FINDING PURPOSE
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  • IN THE PAIN."
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  • LOOKING AT YOU,
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  • YOU'RE SUCH A JOYFUL,
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  • SUCCESSFUL PERSON.
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  • MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T KNOW--
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  • AND I'M INCLUDED IN THAT GROUP--
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  • THAT YOU'VE REALLY SUFFERED,
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  • AND THE BOOK IS ABOUT
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  • DEALING WITH THAT AND
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  • OVERCOMING IT.
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  • SO TELL US YOUR STORY, AND WHAT
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  • ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAD
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  • TO GO THROUGH?
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  • - ANNE: WELL, SO AS
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  • I MENTIONED I GREW UP IN AN
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  • AMISH HOME
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  • IN LANCASTER COUNTY,
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  • PENNSYLVANIA.
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  • MY MOM AND DAD WERE
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  • LOVING PARENTS.
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  • THERE WERE EIGHT OF US KIDS, AND
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  • I WOULD SAY THAT MY HOME LIFE
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  • WAS VERY-- ALMOST IDYLLIC.
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  • IT WAS VERY-- I WAS SAFE.
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  • I WAS SECURE.
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  • DIDN'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT
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  • THE OUTSIDE WORLD BUT KNEW
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  • ENOUGH TO-- MY DAD ALWAYS READ
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  • THE NEWSPAPER, AND WHAT REALLY
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  • BROKE MY UNDERSTANDING OF MY
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  • LITTLE WORLD WAS WHEN MOM AND
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  • DAD WENT TO A FARMERS MARKET IN
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  • PHILADELPHIA CALLED NORMANDY
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  • SQUARE, AND THAT'S WHEN MY EYES
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  • WERE OPENED TO THE OTHER WORLD,
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  • BUT IT WAS REALLY A--
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  • - ERIC: HOW OLD WERE YOU?
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  • - ANNE: I WAS ABOUT 11 YEARS
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  • OLD AT THAT TIME.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO THAT'S THE
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  • FIRST TIME YOU'D SEEN THE WORLD
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  • OUTSIDE OF THE AMISH COUNTRY,
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  • ROUGHLY?
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  • - ANNE: PRETTY MUCH SO, YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: OR IN THAT DRAMATIC WAY
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  • OF GOING TO PHILADELPHIA.
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  • AND MY DAD, HE WAS-- HE LOVED
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  • PEOPLE, AND WE WERE IN THAT
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  • FARMERS MARKET.
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  • THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF VERY
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  • DIVERSE-- AND MY DAD JUST LOVED
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  • EVERYBODY AND HAD A BLAST WITH
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  • EVERYBODY, AND IT WAS SO FUN
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  • JUST TO MEET A WHOLE NEW WORLD
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  • BUT I LOVED THIS EXPERIENCE.
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  • AND SO GROWING UP IN THAT
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  • CULTURE, WE WERE ALSO TAUGHT,
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  • ACTUALLY, ALMOST NONVERBALLY,
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  • THAT "LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS
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  • COMMANDMENTS," AND IF YOU DO
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  • THAT AND IF I'M A REALLY GOOD
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  • GIRL, THEN GOD WILL BLESS ME,
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  • AND HE'LL BE VERY PLEASED WITH
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  • ME, AND SO I REALLY SET OUT TO
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  • BE A GOOD GIRL, TO PLEASE MOM
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  • AND DAD, BUT ALSO MY HEAVENLY
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  • FATHER.
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  • I ACCEPTED CHRIST AT A YOUNG AGE
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  • OF 12, AND SO I SET OUT TO BE
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  • GOOD BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY
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  • IMPORTANT TO ME.
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  • AND SO WE ENDED UP BUILDING A
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  • CHURCH ON MY MOM AND DAD'S FARM.
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  • IT WAS A NONDENOMINATIONAL
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  • CHURCH.
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  • I LEFT THE AMISH--
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  • - ERIC: YOU MEAN, YOUR MOM AND
  • 00:05:40.200 --> 00:05:42.140
  • DAD BUILT A CHURCH?
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  • - ANNE: NO, THERE WAS 11 OF US
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  • THAT HAD A VISION FOR A REALLY
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  • "RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST"
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  • KIND OF A CHURCH.
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  • - ERIC: HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN
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  • YOU DECIDED TO START
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  • THIS CHURCH?
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  • - ANNE: TWENTY.
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  • WE GOT MARRIED WHEN I WAS 19.
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  • MY HUSBAND WAS 21.
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  • THAT'S WHAT YOU DO WHEN
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  • YOU'RE AMISH.
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  • YOUR ONLY DREAM IS TO HAVE YOUR
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  • OWN FAMILY.
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  • - ERIC: YEAH.
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  • - ANNE: IT'S ALL ABOUT FAMILY.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S NOT A
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  • BAD DREAM.
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  • - ANNE: NO, IT'S A GREAT DREAM.
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  • - ERIC: IT'S A WONDERFUL DREAM.
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  • BUT-- SO YOU GET MARRIED YOUNG,
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  • AND THEN YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND--
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  • ARE YOU-- WERE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE
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  • WITH THE STRICTURES OF EVEN THIS
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  • NEWER AMISH SECT?
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  • - ANNE: AGAIN, GOING BACK TO
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  • PHILADELPHIA, I REALIZED THAT
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  • THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD OF PEOPLE
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  • OUT THERE THAT ARE LOVING AND
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  • KIND AND LOVE GOD, AND I'M LIKE,
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  • "WOW, I CAN'T LIVE THIS
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  • RESTRICTED LIFESTYLE."
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  • IT JUST DIDN'T--
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  • I COULDN'T FIT IN THAT BOX.
  • 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.150
  • - ERIC: AND WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:06:29.150 --> 00:06:30.090
  • - ANNE: WELL, IT JUST-- IT
  • 00:06:30.090 --> 00:06:31.130
  • REALLY-- IT WAS ONE OF THOSE
  • 00:06:31.130 --> 00:06:32.260
  • HOLY SPIRIT-- IT WAS EARLY '70s
  • 00:06:32.260 --> 00:06:34.140
  • IF YOU REMEMBER THE JESUS
  • 00:06:34.140 --> 00:06:35.220
  • MOVEMENT AND ALL OF THAT.
  • 00:06:35.220 --> 00:06:37.000
  • IT WAS DURING THAT TIME.
  • 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:38.020
  • - ERIC: CERTAINLY, YEAH.
  • 00:06:38.020 --> 00:06:39.050
  • - ANNE: AND LANCASTER COUNTY
  • 00:06:39.050 --> 00:06:40.180
  • WAS ALL SHOOK UP.
  • 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:41.280
  • I MEAN, IT JUST REALLY IMPACTED
  • 00:06:41.280 --> 00:06:44.070
  • - ERIC: JUST BY THIS CHURCH?
  • 00:06:44.070 --> 00:06:45.010
  • - ANNE: ABSOLUTELY, YES.
  • 00:06:45.010 --> 00:06:46.210
  • - ERIC: THAT'S RIGHT IN THE
  • 00:06:46.210 --> 00:06:47.230
  • HEART OF MENNONITE COUNTRY,
  • 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:48.180
  • THESE JESUS FREAKS, THESE
  • 00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:49.070
  • YOUNG PEOPLE?
  • 00:06:49.070 --> 00:06:49.200
  • - ANNE: ABSOLUTELY, MM-HMM, AND
  • 00:06:49.200 --> 00:06:50.160
  • WITHIN A FEW YEARS, WE HAD ABOUT
  • 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.020
  • 1.000 PEOPLE ATTENDING
  • 00:06:52.020 --> 00:06:53.110
  • THAT CHURCH.
  • 00:06:53.110 --> 00:06:53.250
  • IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE
  • 00:06:53.250 --> 00:06:55.130
  • OF PROPERTY.
  • 00:06:55.130 --> 00:06:56.180
  • WE BUILT A GORGEOUS CHURCH.
  • 00:06:56.180 --> 00:06:57.280
  • - ERIC: WAS YOUR HUSBAND
  • 00:06:57.280 --> 00:06:58.170
  • THE PASTOR?
  • 00:06:58.170 --> 00:06:59.000
  • - ANNE: NO, HE WAS A
  • 00:06:59.000 --> 00:06:59.170
  • YOUTH PASTOR.
  • 00:06:59.170 --> 00:07:01.140
  • - ERIC: HE WAS A YOUTH PASTOR.
  • 00:07:01.140 --> 00:07:02.060
  • - ANNE: AND SO IT WAS A VERY
  • 00:07:02.060 --> 00:07:03.040
  • EXCITING TIME.
  • 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:03.210
  • WE WOULD HAVE COUSINS,
  • 00:07:03.210 --> 00:07:05.110
  • RELATIVES, FAMILIES COME TO THIS
  • 00:07:05.110 --> 00:07:06.150
  • CHURCH TO SEE WHAT IS
  • 00:07:06.150 --> 00:07:07.130
  • GOING ON AND--
  • 00:07:07.130 --> 00:07:09.010
  • - ERIC: SO HERE YOU ARE,
  • 00:07:09.010 --> 00:07:09.200
  • A YOUNG WOMAN.
  • 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:10.200
  • THIS CHURCH IS THRIVING.
  • 00:07:10.200 --> 00:07:11.230
  • WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
  • 00:07:11.230 --> 00:07:12.270
  • - ANNE: WELL, IN MY AMISH
  • 00:07:13.170 --> 00:07:16.170
  • TRADITION, THE CHURCH WHERE I
  • 00:07:16.170 --> 00:07:19.020
  • GREW UP IN, I WAS TAUGHT-- I
  • 00:07:19.020 --> 00:07:22.010
  • REALLY FELT THAT LIFE IS GOOD
  • 00:07:22.010 --> 00:07:24.110
  • AND GOD IS HARSH, AND IF I DO IT
  • 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:25.030
  • ALL RIGHT, THEN GOD
  • 00:07:25.030 --> 00:07:25.190
  • WILL BLESS ME.
  • 00:07:25.190 --> 00:07:26.110
  • IF I DON'T, THEN HE WILL
  • 00:07:26.110 --> 00:07:26.290
  • BE DISPLEASED.
  • 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:27.120
  • - ERIC: SO THAT WAS STILL
  • 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:28.010
  • HANGING WITH YOU?
  • 00:07:28.010 --> 00:07:28.160
  • - ANNE: SO THAT WAS
  • 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:29.020
  • MY THEOLOGY.
  • 00:07:29.020 --> 00:07:29.140
  • IT STAYED WITH ME FOR MANY, MANY
  • 00:07:29.140 --> 00:07:30.100
  • YEARS, SO IT WASN'T REALLY
  • 00:07:30.100 --> 00:07:31.220
  • ABOUT GRACE.
  • 00:07:31.220 --> 00:07:33.080
  • IT WAS ALL ABOUT DOING IT JUST
  • 00:07:33.080 --> 00:07:34.030
  • RIGHT, AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT
  • 00:07:34.030 --> 00:07:36.060
  • WAS THE THEOLOGY THAT I LIVED
  • 00:07:37.060 --> 00:07:40.060
  • AND BELIEVED, AND SO WHEN
  • 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:42.050
  • TRAGEDY STRUCK OUR HOME IN THE
  • 00:07:42.230 --> 00:07:45.230
  • HEIGHT OF OUR SPIRITUAL
  • 00:07:45.230 --> 00:07:47.190
  • SUCCESS-- I MEAN, WE WERE AS
  • 00:07:47.190 --> 00:07:48.150
  • HIGH AS WE THOUGHT WE'D EVER
  • 00:07:48.150 --> 00:07:49.110
  • AND KNOWING NOW THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:07:53.020 --> 00:07:54.020
  • NEVER THERE, RIGHT?
  • 00:07:54.020 --> 00:07:55.020
  • BUT AT THAT TIME, IT WAS A VERY
  • 00:07:55.020 --> 00:07:55.240
  • EXCITING TIME, AND OUR YOUNGEST
  • 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.020
  • DAUGHTER, ANGELA JOY, WAS 19
  • 00:07:58.020 --> 00:07:59.090
  • AND SHE WALKED OUT OF OUR
  • 00:08:02.230 --> 00:08:03.120
  • DOUBLE-WIDE TRAILER TO GO HAVE
  • 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.230
  • BREAKFAST WITH MY MOM, WHO WAS
  • 00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:06.070
  • ON THE FARM.
  • 00:08:06.070 --> 00:08:07.130
  • WE ALL LIVED TOGETHER THERE.
  • 00:08:07.130 --> 00:08:08.270
  • AND BEFORE SHE GOT TO MY MOM'S
  • 00:08:09.010 --> 00:08:12.010
  • HOUSE, MY DAD HAD A SAND-- MY
  • 00:08:12.010 --> 00:08:14.080
  • SISTER WAS DRIVING A BOBCAT AND
  • 00:08:14.080 --> 00:08:16.220
  • HAULING SAND, AND AS SHE WAS
  • 00:08:17.110 --> 00:08:20.110
  • DOING THAT, SHE DIDN'T SEE ANGIE
  • 00:08:20.110 --> 00:08:21.270
  • THAT MORNING, AND WHEN SHE
  • 00:08:21.270 --> 00:08:23.100
  • TURNED THE BOBCAT TO GO FORWARD,
  • 00:08:23.100 --> 00:08:25.150
  • SHE SAW ANGIE IN FRONT
  • 00:08:25.150 --> 00:08:26.050
  • OF THE BOBCAT.
  • 00:08:26.050 --> 00:08:27.070
  • SHE WAS KILLED INSTANTLY
  • 00:08:27.070 --> 00:08:29.110
  • THAT MORNING.
  • 00:08:29.110 --> 00:08:31.230
  • - ERIC: OH, MY GOSH, 19 MONTHS?
  • 00:08:31.230 --> 00:08:33.120
  • - ANNE: YES, AND ANGIE WAS--
  • 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.070
  • - ERIC: SO SHE'S WALKING--
  • 00:08:35.070 --> 00:08:35.290
  • - ANNE: YES.
  • 00:08:35.290 --> 00:08:37.020
  • - ERIC: -- AT 19 MONTHS?
  • 00:08:37.020 --> 00:08:38.130
  • - ANNE: TO MY MOM'S HOUSE.
  • 00:08:38.130 --> 00:08:39.260
  • I KNOW THAT SOUNDS SILLY, BUT WE
  • 00:08:39.260 --> 00:08:42.000
  • LIVED OUT IN THE COUNTRY,
  • 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:42.190
  • AND WE WERE--
  • 00:08:42.190 --> 00:08:44.210
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S SO SWEET.
  • 00:08:44.210 --> 00:08:45.120
  • IT'S SO INNOCENT AND AMAZING.
  • 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.090
  • OKAY, SO YOU HAD OTHER CHILDREN.
  • 00:08:46.090 --> 00:08:48.130
  • SHE WAS YOUR YOUNGEST.
  • 00:08:48.130 --> 00:08:50.160
  • - ANNE: WE HAD A FOUR-YEAR-OLD
  • 00:08:50.160 --> 00:08:52.170
  • AND ANGIE AT THAT TIME, MM-HMM.
  • 00:08:52.170 --> 00:08:54.000
  • - ERIC: OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T
  • 00:08:54.010 --> 00:08:57.010
  • THINK OF ANYTHING MORE HORRIBLE
  • 00:08:57.010 --> 00:08:58.000
  • THAT-- SO BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST
  • 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.020
  • SAID, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU FELT,
  • 00:09:02.020 --> 00:09:03.190
  • "GOD MUST BE DISPLEASED
  • 00:09:03.190 --> 00:09:06.020
  • WITH ME"?
  • 00:09:06.020 --> 00:09:08.070
  • - ANNE: WELL, YOU KNOW, MY
  • 00:09:08.070 --> 00:09:09.080
  • DREAM WAS TO HAVE A FAMILY, AND
  • 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:10.070
  • WHEN ANGIE WAS KILLED, MY DREAMS
  • 00:09:10.070 --> 00:09:13.050
  • WERE SHATTERED, AND MY QUESTION
  • 00:09:13.050 --> 00:09:15.280
  • BECAME THE QUESTION THAT
  • 00:09:15.280 --> 00:09:17.050
  • EVERYONE ASKS WHEN SOMETHING BAD
  • 00:09:17.050 --> 00:09:19.140
  • HAPPENS: "WHY, GOD?
  • 00:09:19.140 --> 00:09:20.140
  • WHY DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN
  • 00:09:20.140 --> 00:09:21.050
  • TO ME?"
  • 00:09:21.050 --> 00:09:21.250
  • I WAS A GOOD GIRL.
  • 00:09:21.250 --> 00:09:24.000
  • I WAS DOING ALL THE RIGHT
  • 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.070
  • THINGS, AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS
  • 00:09:25.070 --> 00:09:26.080
  • SILLY, BUT THAT'S WHERE--
  • 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:27.200
  • - ERIC: IT DOESN'T SOUND SILLY.
  • 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:28.130
  • - ANNE: -- THAT'S WHERE
  • 00:09:28.130 --> 00:09:29.010
  • I LIVED.
  • 00:09:29.010 --> 00:09:29.250
  • - ERIC: HOW DO YOU NOT ASK
  • 00:09:29.250 --> 00:09:30.150
  • THOSE QUESTIONS?
  • 00:09:30.150 --> 00:09:30.290
  • HOW DO YOU NOT ASK, "WHY?"
  • 00:09:30.290 --> 00:09:32.100
  • - ANNE: BUT I FELT-- I MEAN,
  • 00:09:32.100 --> 00:09:33.200
  • ASKING THE QUESTION, THERE WERE
  • 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.140
  • REALLY NO ANSWERS TO THAT, AND
  • 00:09:35.140 --> 00:09:36.130
  • AS ANGIE MADE HER ASCENT INTO
  • 00:09:36.130 --> 00:09:38.160
  • HEAVEN THAT MORNING, IN A SPLIT
  • 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:40.270
  • SECOND, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS IN THE
  • 00:09:40.270 --> 00:09:42.140
  • ARMS OF JESUS AND-- BUT I BEGAN
  • 00:09:42.140 --> 00:09:44.210
  • MY SLOW AND GRADUAL DESCENT INTO
  • 00:09:44.210 --> 00:09:47.070
  • A WORLD OF SPIRITUAL CONFUSION
  • 00:09:47.070 --> 00:09:49.030
  • AND EMOTIONAL PAIN.
  • 00:09:49.030 --> 00:09:51.050
  • I WAS 27 YEARS OLD AT THAT TIME,
  • 00:09:51.050 --> 00:09:53.220
  • AND I WENT INTO THIS PLACE, AND
  • 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:56.020
  • THEN, ERIC, I BEGAN TO FEEL BAD
  • 00:09:56.020 --> 00:09:57.260
  • FOR FEELING BAD BECAUSE, GOING
  • 00:09:57.260 --> 00:09:59.280
  • TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, FEELING
  • 00:09:59.280 --> 00:10:01.170
  • LIKE I NEED TO BE AN OVERCOMER,
  • 00:10:01.170 --> 00:10:03.060
  • AND IN THIS PLACE OF GRIEF,
  • 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:05.200
  • JONAS AND I, MY HUSBAND AND I,
  • 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.160
  • JUST BEGAN TO EMOTIONALLY
  • 00:10:07.160 --> 00:10:08.150
  • DISCONNECT.
  • 00:10:08.150 --> 00:10:10.060
  • AND IN OUR CULTURE, IT WAS
  • 00:10:10.060 --> 00:10:11.250
  • PRETTY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DON'T
  • 00:10:13.040 --> 00:10:16.040
  • TALK ABOUT "IT," WHATEVER "IT"
  • 00:10:16.040 --> 00:10:18.120
  • IS THAT BOTHERS YOU.
  • 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:19.030
  • IT'S LIKE MAINLY JUST BE, YOU
  • 00:10:19.030 --> 00:10:20.240
  • KNOW, KIND OF A "GET OVER IT"
  • 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.190
  • KIND OF MENTALITY.
  • 00:10:22.190 --> 00:10:24.080
  • AND MY MOM AND DAD DIDN'T SAY
  • 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:25.060
  • THAT TO US, OF COURSE NOT, BUT
  • 00:10:25.060 --> 00:10:26.220
  • THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS FELT LIKE:
  • 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:27.140
  • "I REALLY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT
  • 00:10:27.140 --> 00:10:28.170
  • TO TALK ABOUT THIS," WHICH IS
  • 00:10:28.170 --> 00:10:29.170
  • VERY SAD, BUT WE DO HAVE A RIGHT
  • 00:10:29.170 --> 00:10:31.070
  • TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAUMATIC
  • 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:33.100
  • EXPERIENCES THAT WE HAVE.
  • 00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:35.140
  • IT'S REALLY OKAY TO TALK ABOUT
  • 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:36.260
  • IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT AT
  • 00:10:36.260 --> 00:10:37.190
  • THAT POINT SO--
  • 00:10:37.190 --> 00:10:40.020
  • - ERIC: SO YOU SORT OF BOTTLED
  • 00:10:40.020 --> 00:10:40.280
  • IT UP, AND HOW DID THAT
  • 00:10:40.280 --> 00:10:41.160
  • MANIFEST ITSELF?
  • 00:10:41.160 --> 00:10:42.070
  • I MEAN--
  • 00:10:42.070 --> 00:10:44.170
  • - ANNE: YES, WE BOTTLED IT UP,
  • 00:10:44.170 --> 00:10:45.270
  • MY HUSBAND I, BOTH.
  • 00:10:45.270 --> 00:10:46.210
  • WE BARELY EXISTED TOGETHER, AND
  • 00:10:46.210 --> 00:10:48.040
  • WE'VE GONE FROM A VIBRANT
  • 00:10:48.040 --> 00:10:49.070
  • MARRIAGE TO A MARRIAGE THAT
  • 00:10:49.070 --> 00:10:50.130
  • SIMPLY EXISTED, AND I ENDED UP
  • 00:10:50.130 --> 00:10:52.200
  • GOING TO SEE MY PASTOR
  • 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.010
  • FIVE MONTHS LATER.
  • 00:10:54.010 --> 00:10:55.170
  • I'M DISTRAUGHT.
  • 00:10:55.170 --> 00:10:56.170
  • I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN'T
  • 00:10:56.170 --> 00:10:58.130
  • BEGIN TO FEEL BETTER, AND SO I
  • 00:10:58.130 --> 00:10:59.260
  • WENT TO SEE MY PASTOR, AND
  • 00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:02.230
  • BEFORE I LEFT HIS OFFICE THAT
  • 00:11:02.230 --> 00:11:05.150
  • DAY, HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME,
  • 00:11:05.150 --> 00:11:08.020
  • AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, I WAS
  • 00:11:08.020 --> 00:11:09.140
  • STUNNED, LIKE, "WHAT DOES THIS
  • 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:12.200
  • MEAN?"
  • 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:13.140
  • I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ABUSE OF
  • 00:11:13.140 --> 00:11:14.250
  • SPIRITUAL POWER, CERTAINLY
  • 00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:16.080
  • DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SEXUAL ABUSE.
  • 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.160
  • AND I WALKED AWAY FROM HIS
  • 00:11:17.160 --> 00:11:20.020
  • OFFICE, BLAMING MYSELF, AND I
  • 00:11:20.020 --> 00:11:22.190
  • DECIDED THAT I WOULD
  • 00:11:22.190 --> 00:11:23.290
  • KEEP A SECRET.
  • 00:11:23.290 --> 00:11:26.210
  • I WOULD NEVER TELL ANYONE
  • 00:11:26.210 --> 00:11:27.290
  • BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE ME.
  • 00:11:27.290 --> 00:11:28.220
  • AND SO, AT THAT POINT, I FELT
  • 00:11:28.220 --> 00:11:30.160
  • LIKE MY VOICE-- LOOKING BACK, I
  • 00:11:30.160 --> 00:11:32.250
  • UNDERSTAND NOW THAT MY VOICE WAS
  • 00:11:32.250 --> 00:11:33.290
  • TAKEN FROM ME.
  • 00:11:33.290 --> 00:11:36.010
  • - ERIC: THAT'S SO HORRIFYING,
  • 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:39.060
  • SO BLEAK, THE IDEA THAT A YOUNG
  • 00:11:39.060 --> 00:11:41.040
  • MOTHER SUFFERING IN THIS WAY
  • 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:42.260
  • WOULD GO TO A PASTOR AND THAT HE
  • 00:11:42.260 --> 00:11:44.060
  • WOULD DO SUCH A THING.
  • 00:11:48.270 --> 00:11:51.270
  • I ASSUME IT JUST HAPPENED ONCE?
  • 00:11:51.270 --> 00:11:52.240
  • - ANNE: NO.
  • 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.190
  • THE SECRET THAT I KEPT THEN,
  • 00:11:55.190 --> 00:11:56.160
  • KEPT ME IN A SIX-YEAR-LONG
  • 00:11:56.160 --> 00:11:58.050
  • SILENT RELATIONSHIP--
  • 00:11:58.050 --> 00:11:59.280
  • - ERIC: OH, GOSH.
  • 00:11:59.280 --> 00:12:01.010
  • - ANNE: -- OF ABUSE OF EVERY
  • 00:12:01.010 --> 00:12:01.290
  • KIND, AND ANGIE'S DEATH BROUGHT
  • 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:05.100
  • ME DEEP GRIEF, BUT MY ABUSE FROM
  • 00:12:06.270 --> 00:12:09.270
  • PASTOR TOOK ME INTO DEEP, VERY
  • 00:12:09.270 --> 00:12:12.160
  • DEEP DESPAIR, AND I FELT LIKE
  • 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:15.100
  • THERE WAS NO WAY OUT.
  • 00:12:15.100 --> 00:12:17.160
  • - ERIC: YOU FELT YOU COULDN'T
  • 00:12:17.160 --> 00:12:18.070
  • SHARE IT WITH YOUR HUSBAND?
  • 00:12:18.070 --> 00:12:18.280
  • - ANNE: NO, NO, THERE'S--
  • 00:12:18.280 --> 00:12:19.170
  • - ERIC: AND WHY?
  • 00:12:19.170 --> 00:12:20.060
  • I JUST HAVE TO ASK.
  • 00:12:20.060 --> 00:12:21.150
  • I MEAN, I LIVE SUCH A DIFFERENT
  • 00:12:24.270 --> 00:12:25.210
  • LIFE TODAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
  • 00:12:25.210 --> 00:12:26.190
  • I'VE OVERCOME THROUGH THE POWER
  • 00:12:26.190 --> 00:12:28.230
  • OF CONFESSION, BUT BACK IN THE
  • 00:12:28.230 --> 00:12:30.010
  • DAY, THERE WAS SO MUCH PAIN AND
  • 00:12:30.010 --> 00:12:31.070
  • BLAME AND SHAME THAT I JUST
  • 00:12:31.070 --> 00:12:33.100
  • AND I CONTINUED TO GO TO CHURCH.
  • 00:12:38.170 --> 00:12:39.090
  • HE CONTINUED TO BE MY PASTOR,
  • 00:12:39.090 --> 00:12:42.090
  • AND I COULDN'T TELL BECAUSE
  • 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:44.010
  • WOULD ANYBODY BELIEVE ME?
  • 00:12:44.010 --> 00:12:45.290
  • SO, OBVIOUSLY, MY
  • 00:12:45.290 --> 00:12:47.070
  • SELF-CONFIDENCE, MY
  • 00:12:47.070 --> 00:12:49.260
  • SPIRITUALITY, ALL OF IT WAS JUST
  • 00:12:49.260 --> 00:12:51.090
  • COMPLETELY GONE, AND I FELT
  • 00:12:51.150 --> 00:12:54.150
  • UNLOVABLE, UNFORGIVABLE, AND
  • 00:13:00.190 --> 00:13:03.190
  • THERE WAS REALLY NO HOPE.
  • 00:13:03.190 --> 00:13:06.040
  • I WAS AT THE END.
  • 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:07.120
  • - ERIC: WE LOCK OURSELVES IN
  • 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:08.030
  • THESE PRISONS OF PAIN.
  • 00:13:08.030 --> 00:13:09.020
  • WHAT YOU'VE JUST SHARED IS
  • 00:13:09.020 --> 00:13:09.210
  • SO PAINFUL.
  • 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:10.270
  • WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK HERE.
  • 00:13:10.270 --> 00:13:12.260
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
  • 00:13:12.260 --> 00:13:14.110
  • FOLKS, I'M TALKING TO
  • 00:13:14.110 --> 00:13:16.210
  • ANNE BEILER.
  • 00:13:16.210 --> 00:13:18.000
  • THE TITLE OF THE BOOK IS "THE
  • 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:18.210
  • SECRET LIES WITHIN."
  • 00:13:18.210 --> 00:13:20.290
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.080
  • I'M TALKIN' TO ANNE BEILER,
  • 00:13:32.210 --> 00:13:33.110
  • THE BOOK IS
  • 00:13:35.040 --> 00:13:35.170
  • "THE SECRET LIES WITHIN."
  • 00:13:35.170 --> 00:13:36.110
  • ANNE, I KNOW, AT SOME POINT,
  • 00:13:36.110 --> 00:13:38.230
  • YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND TRY TO
  • 00:13:38.230 --> 00:13:41.230
  • FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH
  • 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.240
  • THIS PASTOR WHO'D BEEN
  • 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.230
  • ABUSING YOU.
  • 00:13:45.230 --> 00:13:47.270
  • HOW ARE YOU ABLE EVENTUALLY TO
  • 00:13:47.270 --> 00:13:49.240
  • - ANNE: WELL, THE UNCHANGEABLE,
  • 00:13:53.270 --> 00:13:54.190
  • UNLOVABLE, UNFORGIVABLE
  • 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:55.130
  • WAS MY TRUTH.
  • 00:13:55.130 --> 00:13:56.280
  • THAT'S WHAT I LIVED WITH, AND
  • 00:13:56.280 --> 00:13:58.080
  • THE BIGGEST LIE WAS, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.160
  • "I CANNOT TELL."
  • 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:00.120
  • AND THE OTHER LIE
  • 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.150
  • "IF I DO TELL MY HUSBAND,
  • 00:14:03.090 --> 00:14:03.280
  • THAT HE WOULD DIVORCE ME."
  • 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:05.170
  • THERE WAS NO DOUBT
  • 00:14:05.170 --> 00:14:06.040
  • IN MY MIND BECAUSE I AM
  • 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:07.050
  • SO ASHAMED AND SO FILLED
  • 00:14:07.050 --> 00:14:08.160
  • WITH GUILT THERE.
  • 00:14:08.160 --> 00:14:10.080
  • THERE WAS NO WAY OUT FOR ME,
  • 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:11.200
  • EXCEPT THAT HE WOULD TELL
  • 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:12.250
  • ME TO LEAVE.
  • 00:14:12.250 --> 00:14:14.130
  • I REALLY FELT LIKE I HAD TO
  • 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:16.170
  • CARRY THIS BURDEN.
  • 00:14:16.170 --> 00:14:18.000
  • I MEAN, I BELIEVED IN GOD'S
  • 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.180
  • GRACE FOR THE WORLD, BUT THERE
  • 00:14:19.180 --> 00:14:22.040
  • WASN'T REALLY ENOUGH FOR ME.
  • 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:24.100
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:25.070
  • - ANNE: THE LOST NEEDS TO BE
  • 00:14:25.070 --> 00:14:26.270
  • SAVED, AND THE SAVED NEED TO BE
  • 00:14:26.270 --> 00:14:29.150
  • HEALED, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
  • 00:14:29.150 --> 00:14:31.050
  • THAT THERE WAS HEALING FOR ME.
  • 00:14:31.050 --> 00:14:33.100
  • WHAT I KNOW TODAY IS THAT
  • 00:14:33.100 --> 00:14:35.020
  • LIFE IS HARD.
  • 00:14:35.020 --> 00:14:36.010
  • GOD IS GOOD.
  • 00:14:36.010 --> 00:14:38.040
  • NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO US,
  • 00:14:38.040 --> 00:14:39.220
  • GOD IS GOOD, AND I DO NOT
  • 00:14:39.220 --> 00:14:42.120
  • CONFUSE THE TWO ANYMORE.
  • 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:43.230
  • - ERIC: WOW.
  • 00:14:43.230 --> 00:14:44.130
  • - ANNE: I KNOW THAT LIFE IS
  • 00:14:44.130 --> 00:14:45.200
  • HARD, AND I KNOW THAT
  • 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:46.130
  • GOD IS GOOD.
  • 00:14:46.130 --> 00:14:47.040
  • - ERIC: SO HOW DID YOU FIND
  • 00:14:47.040 --> 00:14:48.140
  • YOUR WAY OUT OF WHAT
  • 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:50.050
  • SOUNDS LIKE HELL?
  • 00:14:50.050 --> 00:14:50.290
  • - ANNE: YES, I REALLY FELT LIKE
  • 00:14:50.290 --> 00:14:53.050
  • I WAS AT THE BRINK OF HOLDING
  • 00:14:53.050 --> 00:14:56.010
  • ONTO A CLIFF BY MY-- WITH MY
  • 00:14:56.030 --> 00:14:59.030
  • FINGERS, KNOWING THAT, ANY
  • 00:14:59.030 --> 00:14:59.290
  • MOMENT, I'M GONNA DROP INTO AN
  • 00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:01.060
  • ABYSS OF DARKNESS THAT I WOULD
  • 00:15:01.060 --> 00:15:01.270
  • NEVER COME OUT.
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:03.000
  • THAT WAS REALITY FOR ME, BUT
  • 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.100
  • THERE'S A VERSE IN THE LITTLE
  • 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:08.050
  • BOOK OF JAMES AT THE END OF ONE
  • 00:15:08.050 --> 00:15:10.060
  • OF THE LAST BOOKS IN THE BIBLE,
  • 00:15:10.060 --> 00:15:11.240
  • AND IT'S FOUND IN JAMES 5:16,
  • 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.130
  • AND THE POWER OF CONFESSION, AND
  • 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:17.000
  • I CALL IT "A NEW VIEW
  • 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:20.100
  • OF CONFESSION,"
  • 00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:21.050
  • AND THIS CONFESSION WORKS
  • 00:15:21.050 --> 00:15:21.280
  • PERSONALLY,
  • 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:23.050
  • IT WORKS IN OUR FAMILY,
  • 00:15:23.050 --> 00:15:23.250
  • IT WORKS IN OUR BUSINESSES,
  • 00:15:23.250 --> 00:15:25.050
  • IT WORKS IN OUR CHURCHES,
  • 00:15:25.050 --> 00:15:27.030
  • AND IN EVERY AREA OF LIFE:
  • 00:15:27.030 --> 00:15:29.080
  • CONFESS YOUR FAULTS,
  • 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.220
  • YOUR PROBLEMS, YOUR SINS,
  • 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:33.210
  • YOUR STRUGGLES,
  • 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:34.290
  • WHAT IS IT THAT BOTHERS YOU,
  • 00:15:34.290 --> 00:15:36.080
  • ONE TO ANOTHER,
  • 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.010
  • IS WHAT JAMES SAID:
  • 00:15:38.010 --> 00:15:39.150
  • "CONFESS YOUR FAULTS,
  • 00:15:39.150 --> 00:15:40.150
  • ONE TO ANOTHER,
  • 00:15:40.150 --> 00:15:41.250
  • AND THEN PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER,
  • 00:15:41.250 --> 00:15:43.000
  • AND THEN YOU WILL
  • 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.030
  • BE HEALED."
  • 00:15:44.030 --> 00:15:46.040
  • I MEAN, IT'S SUCH A SHORT VERSE,
  • 00:15:46.040 --> 00:15:47.160
  • BUT THE POWER OF THAT PROMISE,
  • 00:15:47.160 --> 00:15:49.040
  • ERIC, IS-- I DIDN'T SEE IT
  • 00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:51.140
  • AT THE TIME.
  • 00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:53.070
  • I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT VERSE
  • 00:15:53.070 --> 00:15:54.060
  • EXACTLY THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT
  • 00:15:54.060 --> 00:15:56.040
  • TODAY, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND
  • 00:15:56.040 --> 00:15:58.020
  • TODAY IS THAT SECRETS KILL US,
  • 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.220
  • AND I TRULY BELIEVE SATAN WANTS
  • 00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:04.130
  • US TO BELIEVE LIES, STAY IN OUR
  • 00:16:04.130 --> 00:16:07.050
  • PAIN, KEEP OUR SECRETS, AND IF
  • 00:16:07.050 --> 00:16:08.220
  • WE DO, WE WILL NEVER FULFILL THE
  • 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.120
  • PURPOSE THAT GOD HAS FOR US.
  • 00:16:11.130 --> 00:16:14.130
  • AND, ONE DAY, AS I WAS ON MY
  • 00:16:14.130 --> 00:16:16.260
  • KNEES, GOD SPOKE TO ME AND SAID,
  • 00:16:16.260 --> 00:16:18.280
  • "GET UP OFF YOUR KNEES AND GO
  • 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:22.040
  • TELL YOUR HUSBAND ABOUT WHAT'S
  • 00:16:22.040 --> 00:16:23.170
  • GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE."
  • 00:16:23.170 --> 00:16:25.080
  • NOW, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING:
  • 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.140
  • I SAID, "NO, I JUST WANNA TALK
  • 00:16:26.140 --> 00:16:28.290
  • TO YOU ABOUT THIS, FATHER.
  • 00:16:28.290 --> 00:16:31.070
  • I DON'T WANT TO TALK
  • 00:16:31.070 --> 00:16:31.250
  • TO MY HUSBAND.
  • 00:16:31.250 --> 00:16:32.270
  • I DON'T WANNA TALK TO ANYONE."
  • 00:16:32.270 --> 00:16:33.250
  • IT WAS A SECRET FOR SIX YEARS
  • 00:16:33.250 --> 00:16:34.290
  • THAT I HAD NEVER DISCLOSED TO
  • 00:16:34.290 --> 00:16:36.210
  • ANYONE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE,
  • 00:16:36.210 --> 00:16:39.170
  • OR FORM.
  • 00:16:39.170 --> 00:16:41.000
  • AND SO, "GO TELL YOUR HUSBAND."
  • 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.010
  • IT WAS A MANDATE.
  • 00:16:42.010 --> 00:16:43.200
  • IT WAS A-- I KNEW IN MY HEART,
  • 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.250
  • BUT, WOW, I DID NOT WANT TO--
  • 00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:47.250
  • SWEATY PALMS, MY HEART RACING,
  • 00:16:47.250 --> 00:16:49.200
  • CRYIN' ALL THE WAY UP TO MY
  • 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.010
  • HUSBAND'S LITTLE BODY SHOP IN MY
  • 00:16:51.010 --> 00:16:52.130
  • LITTLE BLUE TOYOTA PICKUP TRUCK.
  • 00:16:52.130 --> 00:16:54.030
  • "I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS," BUT I
  • 00:16:54.030 --> 00:16:55.170
  • DID, ERIC, AND I WISH I'D HAVE
  • 00:16:55.230 --> 00:16:58.230
  • TIME TO TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT
  • 00:16:58.230 --> 00:16:59.200
  • WHAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.250
  • AND JAMES 5:16 IS NOT ABOUT
  • 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:03.240
  • PREDICTING AN OUTCOME WHEN YOU
  • 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.030
  • DO THE CONFESSION.
  • 00:17:05.030 --> 00:17:07.150
  • THE NEW VIEW OF CONFESSION IS
  • 00:17:07.150 --> 00:17:09.140
  • REALLY MEANT TO SET YOU FREE.
  • 00:17:09.140 --> 00:17:11.010
  • IT'S ALL ABOUT THE HIGHEST FORM
  • 00:17:11.010 --> 00:17:12.260
  • OF COMMUNICATION.
  • 00:17:12.260 --> 00:17:15.200
  • IT'S ABOUT BEING STRONG.
  • 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.210
  • IT'S ABOUT BEING COURAGEOUS
  • 00:17:16.210 --> 00:17:17.260
  • ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS
  • 00:17:17.260 --> 00:17:20.010
  • THAT MATTER THE MOST TO YOU,
  • 00:17:20.010 --> 00:17:21.010
  • YOUR DEEPEST PAIN,
  • 00:17:21.010 --> 00:17:22.140
  • YOUR DEEPEST SECRETS,
  • 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:24.140
  • TO SOMEONE THAT LOVES YOU
  • 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:25.160
  • AND THAT YOU CAN TRUST,
  • 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:26.100
  • AND THAT'S THE BEGINNING
  • 00:17:26.100 --> 00:17:27.270
  • FOR ME.
  • 00:17:27.270 --> 00:17:28.150
  • WHEN I WENT TO TELL MY HUSBAND,
  • 00:17:28.150 --> 00:17:29.160
  • AS I AS I TOLD HIM, THE LOOK ON
  • 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.090
  • HIS FACE WAS DEVASTATING TO ME,
  • 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:35.120
  • AND SO I DID A VERY, VERY, VERY
  • 00:17:35.210 --> 00:17:38.210
  • SHORT CONFESSION, AND
  • 00:17:38.210 --> 00:17:39.110
  • I WALKED AWAY.
  • 00:17:39.110 --> 00:17:41.150
  • THERE WAS NO HUGS.
  • 00:17:41.150 --> 00:17:42.120
  • THERE WAS NO TEARS.
  • 00:17:42.120 --> 00:17:43.090
  • THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM HIM.
  • 00:17:43.090 --> 00:17:44.090
  • I WAS A SHELL.
  • 00:17:44.230 --> 00:17:47.230
  • I HAD NOTHING TO GIVE EXCEPT I
  • 00:17:47.230 --> 00:17:49.180
  • KNEW I HAD TO MAKE THAT
  • 00:17:49.180 --> 00:17:50.250
  • CONFESSION THAT MORNING,
  • 00:17:51.110 --> 00:17:54.110
  • BUT LET ME TELL YOU,
  • 00:17:54.110 --> 00:17:55.200
  • THE RESPONSE THAT WAS--
  • 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:56.160
  • MY HUSBAND AND I
  • 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:57.060
  • WILL BE MARRIED 51 YEARS,
  • 00:17:57.060 --> 00:17:58.210
  • AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR A GOOD MAN
  • 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:04.290
  • IN MY LIFE THAT, THROUGH IT ALL,
  • 00:18:04.290 --> 00:18:06.250
  • HE LOVED ME SO UNCONDITIONALLY,
  • 00:18:08.040 --> 00:18:11.040
  • AND I WAS SO SURPRISED BY HIS
  • 00:18:11.080 --> 00:18:14.080
  • RESPONSE TO MY CONFESSION THAT I
  • 00:18:14.080 --> 00:18:15.060
  • AND, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T SAY A
  • 00:18:17.210 --> 00:18:18.130
  • WHOLE LOT ABOUT IT, BUT WE HAD A
  • 00:18:18.130 --> 00:18:19.190
  • CONVERSATION THAT NIGHT WHEN HE
  • 00:18:19.190 --> 00:18:20.200
  • CAME HOME FROM WORK, AND HE JUST
  • 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.010
  • SAID TO ME, "HON, IF-- I KNOW
  • 00:18:22.010 --> 00:18:24.220
  • THAT YOU WANT TO BE HAPPY.
  • 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:26.130
  • I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN VERY UNHAPPY,
  • 00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:27.060
  • BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW I DON'T
  • 00:18:27.060 --> 00:18:28.260
  • WANT YOU TO GO.
  • 00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:31.090
  • I WANT YOU TO STAY HERE WITH ME
  • 00:18:31.090 --> 00:18:32.110
  • AND THE GIRLS, BUT IF YOU NEED
  • 00:18:32.110 --> 00:18:34.040
  • TO GO TO BE HAPPY, THEN JUST LET
  • 00:18:34.040 --> 00:18:36.040
  • ME KNOW, AND I'LL HELP YOU PACK
  • 00:18:36.040 --> 00:18:38.220
  • YOUR BAGS, I'LL HELP YOU FIND A
  • 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:39.250
  • PLACE, BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE
  • 00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:41.160
  • GIRLS WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY NEED
  • 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.070
  • THEIR MOTHER."
  • 00:18:43.070 --> 00:18:45.260
  • THAT WAS THE KIND OF
  • 00:18:45.260 --> 00:18:47.020
  • LOVE THAT WAS GIVEN TO
  • 00:18:47.020 --> 00:18:48.170
  • ME AT THE DARKEST DAY OF MY
  • 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:50.120
  • LIFE, AND IT'S THE KIND OF LOVE
  • 00:18:50.120 --> 00:18:53.020
  • THAT IS UNCONDITIONAL AND
  • 00:18:53.020 --> 00:18:54.230
  • LIFE-CHANGING.
  • 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.160
  • IT TOOK ME FROM THE CONFESSION
  • 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.070
  • AND HIS LOVE-- TOOK ME FROM
  • 00:19:00.070 --> 00:19:02.080
  • GREAT DARKNESS TO AMAZING LIGHT
  • 00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:03.160
  • THAT I CANNOT DESCRIBE.
  • 00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:07.050
  • - ERIC: WELL, I MEAN, HEARING
  • 00:19:07.050 --> 00:19:08.170
  • THIS, YOU KNOW, NOBODY COULD
  • 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:09.260
  • PREDICT THAT OUTCOME, AND HOW
  • 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:11.060
  • HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THAT'S THE
  • 00:19:11.060 --> 00:19:13.260
  • KIND OF A MAN YOUR HUSBAND IS.
  • 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.000
  • - ANNE: WELL, I THINK THAT, ALL
  • 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.250
  • OF US, WE MAY FEEL LIKE
  • 00:19:19.020 --> 00:19:22.020
  • CONFESSION IS SUBJECTIVE.
  • 00:19:22.100 --> 00:19:25.100
  • "I REALLY DON'T WANNA TELL
  • 00:19:25.100 --> 00:19:26.230
  • ANYBODY ABOUT SOMETHING BAD I
  • 00:19:26.230 --> 00:19:27.140
  • HAVE DONE," BUT I WANNA
  • 00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:28.230
  • CHALLENGE ALL OF US TO LOOK AT
  • 00:19:28.230 --> 00:19:31.080
  • IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY:
  • 00:19:31.080 --> 00:19:32.070
  • IT'S NOT REALLY SUBJECTIVE.
  • 00:19:32.070 --> 00:19:33.120
  • I FEEL LIKE THE JAMES 5:16
  • 00:19:34.060 --> 00:19:37.060
  • MODEL, THE ONE TO KNOW THE
  • 00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:38.000
  • CONFESSION, IS REALLY MEANT TO
  • 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:39.170
  • SET US FREE, AND IT'S MEANT FOR
  • 00:19:39.170 --> 00:19:40.230
  • US TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AT
  • 00:19:40.230 --> 00:19:41.270
  • THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
  • 00:19:41.270 --> 00:19:43.020
  • IT'S MEANT FOR US TO SET
  • 00:19:43.020 --> 00:19:44.030
  • OURSELVES FREE.
  • 00:19:44.030 --> 00:19:45.260
  • SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT I DID
  • 00:19:45.260 --> 00:19:47.240
  • WITH MY HUSBAND WHEN I
  • 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:49.070
  • CONFESSED TO HIM.
  • 00:19:49.070 --> 00:19:50.190
  • LET ME TELL YOU, IT WAS
  • 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:51.220
  • HUMILIATING.
  • 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:52.240
  • IT WAS HARD.
  • 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.260
  • I WAS SO SHAMED-FILLED, SO I
  • 00:19:54.260 --> 00:19:56.020
  • FEEL LIKE THE HARD CONFESSION IS
  • 00:19:56.020 --> 00:19:58.170
  • IMPORTANT SOMETIMES, SO IT'S
  • 00:19:58.170 --> 00:20:01.100
  • REALLY MEANT TO FREE US, ERIC,
  • 00:20:01.100 --> 00:20:03.160
  • SO THAT WE CAN LIVE A LIFE THAT
  • 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.050
  • IS FULL, THAT IS FREE OF WORRY.
  • 00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:09.100
  • WE NO LONGER PRETEND.
  • 00:20:09.100 --> 00:20:11.070
  • WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO CHURCH
  • 00:20:11.070 --> 00:20:12.280
  • AND ACT LIKE EVERYTHING IS OKAY.
  • 00:20:12.280 --> 00:20:14.110
  • AND I CALL IT THE "FREE INDEED"
  • 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.160
  • KIND OF LIFE, AND I CALL IT THE
  • 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.210
  • ONE-TO-ANOTHER CONFESSION.
  • 00:20:19.210 --> 00:20:22.080
  • I CALL IT THE ONE-TO-ANOTHER
  • 00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:22.280
  • LIFESTYLE, AND I LOVE
  • 00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:24.040
  • LIVING THERE.
  • 00:20:24.040 --> 00:20:26.260
  • IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN PRETENDING
  • 00:20:26.260 --> 00:20:28.220
  • AND LIVING IN THIS DARK PLACE
  • 00:20:28.220 --> 00:20:31.000
  • WHERE I JUST COULD BARELY GET
  • 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:31.250
  • THROUGH THE DAY.
  • 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:32.290
  • - ERIC: WELL, I GUESS THE ONE
  • 00:20:32.290 --> 00:20:34.040
  • QUESTION THAT POPS IN MY MIND IS
  • 00:20:34.040 --> 00:20:35.130
  • WE HAVE TO FIND PEOPLE TO WHOM
  • 00:20:35.130 --> 00:20:37.240
  • WE CAN CONFESS AND THAT THERE
  • 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:39.290
  • ARE PEOPLE-- MANY TIMES, YOU
  • 00:20:39.290 --> 00:20:41.270
  • JUST SAY, "IT'S NOT WORTH IT
  • 00:20:41.270 --> 00:20:42.250
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHOW
  • 00:20:42.250 --> 00:20:45.150
  • ME GRACE," OR "THEY'RE NOT GONNA
  • 00:20:45.150 --> 00:20:46.210
  • TRY TO UNDERSTAND, SO I JUST
  • 00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:48.110
  • WON'T SHARE IT WITH THEM."
  • 00:20:48.110 --> 00:20:50.100
  • - ANNE: I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A
  • 00:20:50.100 --> 00:20:51.170
  • BIG PROBLEM, AND, YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:20:51.170 --> 00:20:53.050
  • WANNA SAY-- I WANT TO USE THE
  • 00:20:53.050 --> 00:20:54.200
  • WORD "SHAME" HERE BECAUSE SHAME
  • 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:55.290
  • ON US, AS THE BODY OF CHRIST, IF
  • 00:20:55.290 --> 00:20:57.270
  • WE CANNOT HEAR ONE ANOTHER'S
  • 00:20:57.270 --> 00:21:00.120
  • BURDENS AND LISTEN AS MATURE
  • 00:21:01.040 --> 00:21:04.040
  • PEOPLE, HEAR THEM OUT.
  • 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:07.150
  • AND, OFTENTIMES, WE FEEL LIKE WE
  • 00:21:07.150 --> 00:21:10.000
  • HAVE TO RESPOND WITH SOME KIND
  • 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.050
  • OF A "I'LL FIX YOU" OR A
  • 00:21:12.050 --> 00:21:13.260
  • SCRIPTURE VERSE OR AN ANSWER, OR
  • 00:21:13.260 --> 00:21:15.080
  • SOME KIND OF, LIKE, WE NEED TO
  • 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:17.050
  • HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
  • 00:21:17.050 --> 00:21:20.010
  • BUT THE ONE-TO-ANOTHER
  • 00:21:20.010 --> 00:21:20.210
  • CONFESSION REALLY IS ABOUT ME
  • 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:22.210
  • TELLING YOU, SHARING WITH YOU MY
  • 00:21:22.210 --> 00:21:24.190
  • HEART, AND AS I DO THAT, YOU
  • 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:25.250
  • LISTEN TO ME, AND AT THE END OF
  • 00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:27.280
  • THAT CONVERSATION, WE HAVE THIS
  • 00:21:27.280 --> 00:21:29.230
  • FEELING OF CONNECTEDNESS.
  • 00:21:30.080 --> 00:21:33.080
  • AND, AS THE BODY OF CHRIST, WE
  • 00:21:33.080 --> 00:21:36.010
  • NEED TO GROW UP, MATURE, AND BE
  • 00:21:36.010 --> 00:21:38.240
  • GOOD LISTENERS SO THAT NO MATTER
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:42.030
  • WHAT PEOPLE BRING TO US, WE CAN
  • 00:21:42.030 --> 00:21:44.010
  • HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND
  • 00:21:44.010 --> 00:21:46.120
  • BE COMPASSIONATE TOWARD THAT
  • 00:21:46.120 --> 00:21:47.220
  • PERSON BECAUSE, REALLY, ARE ANY
  • 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:49.150
  • ONE OF US LIKE, PERFECT?
  • 00:21:49.180 --> 00:21:52.180
  • I DON'T THINK SO.
  • 00:21:52.260 --> 00:21:55.260
  • WE NEED TO BE FREE TO SHARE OUR
  • 00:21:55.260 --> 00:21:58.040
  • BURDENS WITH ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:21:58.040 --> 00:22:00.020
  • - ERIC: WELL, THIS IS SO HUGE.
  • 00:22:00.020 --> 00:22:00.270
  • - ANNE: IT IS.
  • 00:22:00.270 --> 00:22:03.000
  • - ERIC: I HOPE THERE ARE ALL
  • 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:03.270
  • KINDS OF PASTORS LISTENING AND
  • 00:22:03.270 --> 00:22:04.200
  • THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, I
  • 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:05.220
  • MEAN, IT'S A VERY BASIC THING,
  • 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:07.020
  • BUT WE DON'T PRACTICE IT,
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:08.060
  • GENERALLY SPEAKING,
  • 00:22:08.060 --> 00:22:08.290
  • - ANNE: "WALK IN THE LIGHT, AS
  • 00:22:11.070 --> 00:22:12.100
  • HE IS IN THE LIGHT, AND THEN WE
  • 00:22:12.100 --> 00:22:13.130
  • HAVE FELLOWSHIP, ONE WITH
  • 00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:14.250
  • ANOTHER, AND THEN THE BLOOD OF
  • 00:22:14.250 --> 00:22:15.260
  • CHRIST CLEANSES US
  • 00:22:15.260 --> 00:22:17.070
  • FROM ALL SIN."
  • 00:22:17.070 --> 00:22:18.120
  • IT'S REALLY ABOUT
  • 00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:19.170
  • BRINGING OUR DEEDS
  • 00:22:19.170 --> 00:22:20.160
  • AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE
  • 00:22:24.020 --> 00:22:26.110
  • COULD LEARN TO DO THIS IN A
  • 00:22:26.110 --> 00:22:29.020
  • HEALTHY WAY, THEN PEOPLE
  • 00:22:29.020 --> 00:22:30.190
  • WOULD OPEN UP.
  • 00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:32.050
  • WHEN I GO SHARE MY STORY, ERIC,
  • 00:22:32.050 --> 00:22:33.260
  • I HAVE MANY, MANY WOMEN COME TO
  • 00:22:33.260 --> 00:22:35.130
  • ME OF ALL AGES, SAY, "YOU KNOW,
  • 00:22:35.130 --> 00:22:37.260
  • I'VE NEVER TOLD ANYONE THIS, BUT
  • 00:22:37.260 --> 00:22:39.050
  • I WANNA TELL YOU."
  • 00:22:39.050 --> 00:22:40.140
  • PEOPLE WANT TO TALK,
  • 00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:42.030
  • AND AS WOMEN,
  • 00:22:42.030 --> 00:22:43.120
  • I KNOW FOR MYSELF,
  • 00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:44.000
  • I USED TO SAY,
  • 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:44.260
  • "I JUST WISH SOMEBODY
  • 00:22:44.260 --> 00:22:46.160
  • WOULD LISTEN TO ME."
  • 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:48.210
  • I JUST WANTED SOMEONE
  • 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:49.230
  • TO LISTEN TO ME.
  • 00:22:49.230 --> 00:22:51.040
  • I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE MY
  • 00:22:51.040 --> 00:22:52.100
  • STORY WITHOUT INTERRUPTION, AND
  • 00:22:52.100 --> 00:22:53.260
  • THAT'S WHY WE DO CLASSES TODAY.
  • 00:22:53.260 --> 00:22:55.290
  • IT'S CALLED STORIESX8, AND THOSE
  • 00:22:55.290 --> 00:22:58.030
  • CLASSES ARE AVAILABLE FOR WOMEN
  • 00:22:58.030 --> 00:22:59.180
  • TO COME TO-- EIGHT WOMEN.
  • 00:22:59.180 --> 00:23:00.260
  • THERE'S EIGHT WOMEN IN A CLASS,
  • 00:23:00.260 --> 00:23:02.100
  • AND YOU'RE ABLE TO TELL
  • 00:23:02.100 --> 00:23:04.150
  • YOUR STORY.
  • 00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:05.010
  • YOU HAVE ONE HOUR TO TELL YOUR
  • 00:23:05.010 --> 00:23:06.110
  • STORY, UNINTERRUPTED, AND I
  • 00:23:06.110 --> 00:23:08.240
  • BELIEVE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT
  • 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:10.120
  • WE NEED TO DO IN THE BODY OF
  • 00:23:10.120 --> 00:23:11.190
  • CHRIST THAT WE NEED TO GET
  • 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:12.230
  • BETTER AT IS, NUMBER ONE, WE
  • 00:23:12.230 --> 00:23:13.280
  • NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE FREE TO
  • 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:15.060
  • SHARE OUR STORIES AND TO CONFESS
  • 00:23:15.060 --> 00:23:18.040
  • OUR WRONGDOINGS OUR STRUGGLES,
  • 00:23:18.100 --> 00:23:21.100
  • BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LEARN THE
  • 00:23:21.100 --> 00:23:23.000
  • ART OF LISTENING TO THOSE
  • 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:24.150
  • IN TROUBLE.
  • 00:23:24.150 --> 00:23:25.220
  • - ERIC: IS THERE A WEBSITE
  • 00:23:25.220 --> 00:23:26.120
  • FOR PEOPLE?
  • 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:26.260
  • - ANNE: YES, STORIESX8.COM.
  • 00:23:26.260 --> 00:23:28.050
  • - ERIC: I KNOW, AT SOME POINT,
  • 00:23:28.050 --> 00:23:29.200
  • YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND TRIED TO
  • 00:23:31.230 --> 00:23:34.230
  • FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS
  • 00:23:34.230 --> 00:23:36.130
  • PASTOR WHO'D BEEN ABUSING YOU.
  • 00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:37.180
  • WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:23:37.180 --> 00:23:39.180
  • - ANNE: WE DISCOVERED THERE
  • 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:41.060
  • WERE MANY OF US.
  • 00:23:41.060 --> 00:23:42.200
  • MY TWO SISTERS WERE ALSO BEING
  • 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:43.110
  • ABUSED AT THE SAME TIME I WAS,
  • 00:23:43.110 --> 00:23:44.200
  • AND THERE WAS OTHER WOMEN IN THE
  • 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:45.250
  • CHURCH, AND TEN YEARS AFTER THE
  • 00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:47.120
  • FACT, THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT OUR
  • 00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:48.270
  • YOUNGEST DAUGHTER HAD ALSO BEEN
  • 00:23:48.270 --> 00:23:50.070
  • ABUSED BY HIM AS A LITTLE GIRL.
  • 00:23:50.070 --> 00:23:51.290
  • AND, OF COURSE, THAT WAS
  • 00:23:51.290 --> 00:23:54.080
  • DEVASTATING, AND WE WANTED TO DO
  • 00:23:54.080 --> 00:23:56.070
  • SOMETHING, AND WE GOT AS FAR AS
  • 00:23:56.070 --> 00:23:58.160
  • BEING ABLE TO TAKE HIS LICENSE
  • 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.130
  • FROM TWO DIFFERENT
  • 00:24:00.130 --> 00:24:01.200
  • DENOMINATIONS; AND DIDN'T HAVE
  • 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.190
  • ENOUGH OF WOMEN THAT WOULD COME
  • 00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:06.030
  • FORWARD AND TAKE HIM TO COURT,
  • 00:24:06.030 --> 00:24:08.010
  • SO WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO REALLY
  • 00:24:08.010 --> 00:24:09.100
  • DO WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO.
  • 00:24:10.130 --> 00:24:13.130
  • - ERIC: ONE MORE REASON FOR
  • 00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:14.090
  • WOMEN TO SPEAK UP.
  • 00:24:14.090 --> 00:24:15.170
  • - ANNE: ABSOLUTELY, SOONER
  • 00:24:15.170 --> 00:24:16.070
  • RATHER THAN LATER.
  • 00:24:16.070 --> 00:24:17.260
  • - ERIC: YES.
  • 00:24:17.260 --> 00:24:18.160
  • OKAY, SUCCESS, YOU HAD
  • 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.200
  • TREMENDOUS SUCCESS.
  • 00:24:19.210 --> 00:24:22.210
  • YOUR HUSBAND GOES INTO
  • 00:24:22.210 --> 00:24:23.180
  • COUNSELING, AND AS A RESULT OF
  • 00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:24.200
  • THAT, YOU DECIDE YOU NEED TO PUT
  • 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.050
  • SOME DOUGH IN THE FAMILY
  • 00:24:26.250 --> 00:24:29.250
  • COFFERS, AND YOU JUST DECIDE--
  • 00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:31.170
  • WHAT?
  • 00:24:31.170 --> 00:24:34.100
  • JUST, "I'M GOOD AT MAKING
  • 00:24:34.100 --> 00:24:35.070
  • PRETZELS"?
  • 00:24:35.070 --> 00:24:36.080
  • HOW DO YOU LAND ON PRETZELS?
  • 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:37.240
  • IT'S LIKE AN AMISH CLICHÉ--
  • 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.020
  • PRETZELS.
  • 00:24:39.020 --> 00:24:39.170
  • WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:40.260
  • - ANNE: YEAH, RIGHT, SO IT
  • 00:24:40.260 --> 00:24:41.260
  • WAS-- BASICALLY, IT'S GOD'S
  • 00:24:41.260 --> 00:24:44.100
  • PLAN, AND SO JONAS WENT TO WORK,
  • 00:24:44.100 --> 00:24:45.020
  • AND HE WAS DOING FREE COUNSELING
  • 00:24:45.020 --> 00:24:47.040
  • FOR THE AMISH AND THE MENNONITE
  • 00:24:47.040 --> 00:24:48.080
  • COMMUNITY, WHICH BECAME HIS
  • 00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:49.100
  • DREAM TO HELP OTHER FAMILIES
  • 00:24:49.100 --> 00:24:50.090
  • THAT STRUGGLED LIKE WE DID, AND
  • 00:24:50.090 --> 00:24:52.080
  • SO HE BECAME VERY PASSIONATE
  • 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:55.180
  • ABOUT THAT, AND JONAS
  • 00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:56.210
  • IS MY HERO.
  • 00:24:56.210 --> 00:24:57.120
  • YOU KNOW, HE WAS JESUS IN THE
  • 00:24:57.120 --> 00:24:59.130
  • FLESH TO ME.
  • 00:24:59.130 --> 00:25:00.260
  • WITHOUT HIM, I WOULD NOT BE HERE
  • 00:25:00.260 --> 00:25:01.180
  • TODAY, AND SO I HONORED HIM, AND
  • 00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:02.210
  • I LOVED HIM.
  • 00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:05.030
  • AND I HONORED HIM FOR, JUST,
  • 00:25:05.030 --> 00:25:06.210
  • SAVING MY LIFE AND OUR FAMILY,
  • 00:25:06.210 --> 00:25:09.140
  • AND I WENT TO WORK AT A FARMERS
  • 00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:11.190
  • MARKET TO MAKE PRETZELS.
  • 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:13.200
  • I JUST WANTED TO DO ONE LITTLE
  • 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:14.290
  • STORE AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO
  • 00:25:14.290 --> 00:25:17.000
  • PAY THE BILLS, AND SO AUNTIE
  • 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.240
  • ANNE'S IS A MODERN-DAY BUSINESS
  • 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.010
  • MIRACLE, AND IT WAS GOD'S PLAN,
  • 00:25:21.010 --> 00:25:22.110
  • AND IT WAS PART OF
  • 00:25:22.110 --> 00:25:23.030
  • THE REDEMPTION.
  • 00:25:23.030 --> 00:25:25.070
  • WHEN I DID THAT ONE CONFESSION,
  • 00:25:25.070 --> 00:25:27.180
  • IT'S LIKE THERE WAS A REDEMPTIVE
  • 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:29.240
  • MOMENT FOR US, AND THAT REALLY
  • 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.060
  • BEGAN THE WHOLE PLAN OF
  • 00:25:32.060 --> 00:25:33.020
  • REDEMPTION, AND PART OF THAT
  • 00:25:33.020 --> 00:25:34.100
  • PLAN WAS AUNTIE ANNE'S, WHICH WE
  • 00:25:34.100 --> 00:25:36.280
  • HAD NO IDEA, AND WE KNEW
  • 00:25:36.280 --> 00:25:38.160
  • NOTHING ABOUT BUSINESS.
  • 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.290
  • I GREW UP IN AN AMISH COMMUNITY,
  • 00:25:39.290 --> 00:25:41.140
  • MY HUSBAND AS WELL, EIGHTH-GRADE
  • 00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:42.270
  • EDUCATION.
  • 00:25:42.270 --> 00:25:43.160
  • WE HAD NO BUSINESS PLAN.
  • 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.290
  • WE HAD NO CAPITAL, BUT WE HAD
  • 00:25:44.290 --> 00:25:47.100
  • THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A STORE,
  • 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:49.190
  • AND WHEN WE DID, OVER THE PHONE,
  • 00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:51.220
  • IT FELT RIGHT, AND WE BOUGHT THE
  • 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.060
  • STORE, AND THE PLAN JUST MOVED
  • 00:25:53.060 --> 00:25:55.180
  • ON FROM THERE.
  • 00:25:55.180 --> 00:25:57.160
  • I MEAN, IT WAS SO FAST.
  • 00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:58.230
  • SO MUCH HAPPENED, AND WE FOUND
  • 00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:00.260
  • OURSELVES IN CORPORATE AMERICA
  • 00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:01.210
  • AND AROUND THE WORLD.
  • 00:26:01.210 --> 00:26:02.170
  • IT WAS--
  • 00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:03.040
  • - ERIC: YOU CORNERED THE
  • 00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:03.230
  • MARKET ON PRETZELS.
  • 00:26:03.230 --> 00:26:04.090
  • - ANNE: ABSOLUTELY, WE WERE THE
  • 00:26:04.090 --> 00:26:05.040
  • FIRST IN THE BUSINESS OF
  • 00:26:05.040 --> 00:26:06.030
  • SOFT PRETZELS.
  • 00:26:06.030 --> 00:26:08.090
  • - ERIC: BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF
  • 00:26:08.090 --> 00:26:09.010
  • FUNNY, RIGHT?
  • 00:26:09.010 --> 00:26:09.140
  • 'CAUSE WHO WOULD THINK OF THAT?
  • 00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:10.060
  • BUT IT'S TRUE, RIGHT?
  • 00:26:10.060 --> 00:26:10.250
  • IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S OTHER
  • 00:26:10.250 --> 00:26:11.150
  • PRETZEL STUFF OUT THERE.
  • 00:26:11.150 --> 00:26:12.210
  • YOU KIND OF FOUND THIS THING,
  • 00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:13.120
  • AND, WOW.
  • 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:15.120
  • - ANNE: WE WEREN'T TRYING TO
  • 00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:16.080
  • COPY ANYONE.
  • 00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:16.230
  • WE WERE JUST DOIN' THE WORK, AND
  • 00:26:16.230 --> 00:26:18.260
  • THAT WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US,
  • 00:26:18.260 --> 00:26:20.160
  • AND WE CONTINUED TO GO THROUGH
  • 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.280
  • OPEN DOORS AND ENDED UP BEING AN
  • 00:26:22.280 --> 00:26:23.240
  • INTERNATIONAL FRANCHISE COMPANY,
  • 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:24.270
  • WHICH WAS SCARY FOR ME.
  • 00:26:25.070 --> 00:26:28.070
  • I MEAN, THIS LITTLE AMISH GIRL,
  • 00:26:28.070 --> 00:26:30.130
  • LANCASTER COUNTY.
  • 00:26:30.130 --> 00:26:31.010
  • I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT, BUT LET
  • 00:26:31.010 --> 00:26:31.270
  • ME TELL YOU, WE LEARNED QUICKLY.
  • 00:26:31.270 --> 00:26:33.040
  • WE BROUGHT IN GREAT PEOPLE.
  • 00:26:33.040 --> 00:26:34.010
  • I READ BOOKS.
  • 00:26:34.010 --> 00:26:35.040
  • I READ MANY, MANY BOOKS ABOUT
  • 00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:36.250
  • BUSINESS, LEADERSHIP,
  • 00:26:36.250 --> 00:26:37.250
  • MANAGEMENT, FRANCHISING, AND MY
  • 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:39.050
  • HUSBAND AND I, AND A GREAT TEAM.
  • 00:26:39.050 --> 00:26:41.090
  • WE HAD A GREAT PRODUCT.
  • 00:26:41.090 --> 00:26:42.230
  • WE HAD A GREAT PURPOSE, AND WE
  • 00:26:42.230 --> 00:26:44.020
  • HAD GREAT PEOPLE.
  • 00:26:44.020 --> 00:26:45.260
  • - ERIC: AND YOU-- IT'S GIVEN
  • 00:26:45.260 --> 00:26:47.180
  • YOU A HUGE PLATFORM TO TALK
  • 00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:50.050
  • ABOUT-- I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T BE
  • 00:26:50.050 --> 00:26:51.170
  • HERE NOW, PROBABLY, TALKING
  • 00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:53.040
  • ABOUT THIS IF GOD HADN'T GIVEN
  • 00:26:53.040 --> 00:26:55.040
  • YOU THIS GIGANTIC PLATFORM.
  • 00:26:55.040 --> 00:26:56.140
  • SO MANY PEOPLE LISTENING RIGHT
  • 00:26:56.140 --> 00:26:57.170
  • NOW, THEY KNOW OF YOU BECAUSE OF
  • 00:26:57.170 --> 00:27:00.050
  • THE PRETZELS, AND I GUESS IT
  • 00:27:01.270 --> 00:27:04.270
  • JUST REMINDS ME TOO THAT, IF
  • 00:27:04.270 --> 00:27:06.120
  • YOU'RE SCARED TO DO THE RIGHT
  • 00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:07.280
  • THING, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOD
  • 00:27:07.280 --> 00:27:08.240
  • HAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
  • 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.280
  • - ANNE: ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:12.150
  • AND I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL THAT
  • 00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:13.100
  • GOD GAVE US A PRETZEL FIRST, AND
  • 00:27:13.100 --> 00:27:16.060
  • THEN A PLATFORM, AND THAT'S WHY
  • 00:27:16.060 --> 00:27:16.280
  • I'M HERE TODAY.
  • 00:27:16.280 --> 00:27:17.180
  • THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME
  • 00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:18.120
  • AND JUST SHARE MY STORY ON YOUR
  • 00:27:18.120 --> 00:27:19.160
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S GREAT, AND
  • 00:27:20.290 --> 00:27:21.270
  • YOUR PREVIOUS BOOK IS CALLED
  • 00:27:21.270 --> 00:27:23.030
  • "A TWIST OF FAITH."
  • 00:27:23.030 --> 00:27:25.030
  • THAT IS SO CLEVER.
  • 00:27:25.030 --> 00:27:25.290
  • I CAN'T TAKE IT.
  • 00:27:25.290 --> 00:27:27.000
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.120
  • ANNE BEILER, REALLY A JOY TO GET
  • 00:27:28.120 --> 00:27:30.000
  • TO KNOW YOU A LITTLE BIT, TO
  • 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.200
  • HEAR YOUR STORY.
  • 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:31.270
  • CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK,
  • 00:27:31.270 --> 00:27:32.280
  • "THE SECRET LIES WITHIN."
  • 00:27:32.280 --> 00:27:34.020
  • THANKS SO MUCH.
  • 00:27:34.020 --> 00:27:35.160
  • - ANNE: THANK YOU, ERIC, MY
  • 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:36.150
  • HONOR.
  • 00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:37.070
  • CAN'T STOP,
  • 00:27:40.080 --> 00:27:40.250
  • CAN'T STOP
  • 00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:41.180
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T--
  • 00:27:41.180 --> 00:27:42.210
  • CAN'T STOP
  • 00:27:42.210 --> 00:27:43.150
  • - ROBERT ORLANDO: HOW ABOUT
  • 00:27:48.140 --> 00:27:49.040
  • JUST LIKE, IN THE MODERN WORLD,
  • 00:27:49.040 --> 00:27:50.020
  • LET'S FIND COMMON GROUND AS
  • 00:27:50.020 --> 00:27:50.220
  • CHRISTIANS AND PUT ASIDE
  • 00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:51.290
  • THEOLOGICAL OR DOCTRINAL
  • 00:27:51.290 --> 00:27:52.170
  • CONSIDERATIONAL PERCEPTIONS
  • 00:27:52.170 --> 00:27:54.100
  • AND START BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE
  • 00:27:54.100 --> 00:27:55.170
  • IN COMMON IS SO MUCH MORE
  • 00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:56.200
  • POWERFUL THAN THE FORCES
  • 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:57.220
  • WE'RE AGAINST--
  • 00:27:57.220 --> 00:27:59.090
  • - ERIC: HEY, ALBIN, HE'S NOT
  • 00:27:59.090 --> 00:28:00.060
  • STUPID.
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  • IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SAY.
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  • HE'S SMART.
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  • HE CAN DO THINGS.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • OY.
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  • BOOM, BOOM
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  • BOOM, BOOM
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  • BOOM, BOOM
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  • BOOM, BOOM
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