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Let's Talk with Brian Houston

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March 13, 2017
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  • - Brian Houston: Well, today I
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  • have the opportunity to be
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  • speaking to Matt and Laurie
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  • Crouch.
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  • Now, Matt, these days, of
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  • course, is the president and
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  • chairman of Trinity Broadcasting
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  • Network.
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  • That's how the Hillsong Channel
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  • happens.
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  • I think you're gonna be
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  • fascinated when you hear some of
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  • their story, the human side,
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  • maybe the side that you don't
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  • always get to hear when they
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  • themselves are on Christian
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  • television.
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  • - Matt Crouch: When she passed
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  • and we were standing right over
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  • her, there was a sense that they
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  • had done a good job preparing
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  • us.
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  • - Brian: I'm Brian Houston,
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  • - Brian: Well, today I'm
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  • blessed because I get to speak
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  • to these great people, Matt and
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  • Laurie Crouch.
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  • Matt, of course, has recently
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  • become chairman and president of
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  • TBN.
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  • And I always feel when I talk to
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  • you at all--firstly, hi.
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  • - Laurie Crouch: Hi.
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  • - Brian: I'm so thrilled to
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  • have the chance to turn the
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  • tables.
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  • I feel like I'm the pupil,
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  • you're the master.
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  • But at this moment, I'm in
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  • charge so--
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  • - Matt: You like saying that,
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  • yeah.
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  • - Brian: Yeah, but you know, I
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  • always feel like every time we
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  • talk in the last 12 months or so
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  • I should start with, "Thank
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  • you," because everything we see
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  • here, and obviously, the
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  • opportunity we have now to reach
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  • millions of people came because
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  • you listened to the Holy Spirit.
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  • So thank you.
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  • Firstly, where did you two guys
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  • meet?
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  • - Laurie: You want me to start?
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  • I met his mother on an elevator
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  • in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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  • And I--
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  • - Matt: Kenneth Hagin camp
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  • meeting.
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  • - Laurie: At a Kenneth Hagin
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  • camp meeting, 19 years old in
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  • 1983.
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  • And she looked at me and she
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  • said, "Do you mind if I ask you
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  • how old you are?
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  • I'd like for you to meet my
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  • son."
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  • And my--
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  • - Brian: This is an arranged
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  • marriage.
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  • I can see that.
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  • - Laurie: Right?
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  • Well, because, you know, TBN has
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  • all these stations.
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  • Back then it only, like, had
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  • seven.
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  • And the first station, maybe--
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  • - Matt: Second, yeah.
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  • - Laurie: The second station
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  • that TBN ever had outside of
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  • channel 40 Los Angeles was
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  • channel 21 KPAZ there in
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  • Phoenix, Arizona, and that's
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  • where I was from.
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  • And my grandmother and my
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  • grandfather would always watch
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  • "Praise the Lord" back in the
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  • day when Paul and Jan would host
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  • on Tuesday and Thursday nights.
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  • And if Paul and Jan were
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  • hosting, we would get our TV
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  • trays and go into the living
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  • room and sit and eat and have
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  • dinner and watch the "Praise"
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  • program.
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  • And one night, my grandmother's
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  • sitting there and she, out of
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  • the blue, Brian, she goes, "I'm
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  • praying that you meet their
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  • son."
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  • And I just looked at her and I
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  • thought, "Well, that was about
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  • the craziest thing you've ever
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  • said."
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  • And she said, "Sometimes
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  • she'll pull on her, Jan will
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  • pull on her youngest son.
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  • And his name is," she said, "I
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  • think his name is Matthew."
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  • And she said, "I'm praying that
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  • you meet his son."
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  • Couple months later, I get on
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  • the same elevator as Jan and
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  • that's the first thing she says,
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  • and we met that night and--
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  • - Matt: Were married about 18
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  • months later.
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  • - Laurie: That was about it.
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  • - Brian: Yeah, that's good.
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  • So do you have any memory of
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  • life before TBN?
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  • - Matt: I really don't.
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  • The first memories I have, my
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  • dad's always been the boss in my
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  • life.
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  • But it was in radio first.
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  • So he was involved in radio in
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  • the early, early days, and then
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  • television very quickly after
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  • that.
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  • So from the time I remember, you
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  • know, I would look around in
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  • studios like this.
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  • I'd look around and big bright
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  • lights up in the ceiling and,
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  • you know, this is, this type of
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  • environment is very, very normal
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  • to me, and--
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  • - Laurie: Well, we built, you
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  • guys built this particular
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  • studio back in what?
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  • - Brian: But it didn't look
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  • like this.
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  • - Matt: It did not.
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  • This studio that we're sitting
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  • in, recently renovated, was
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  • built in 1975.
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  • And so--
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  • - Laurie: So he used to sleep
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  • under the piano probably about
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  • where we're sittin'.
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  • - Matt: I've been in this
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  • particular location many, many
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  • times and for many, many years
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  • now.
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  • And to see it doing what it's
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  • doing under your supervision,
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  • Brian, is just humbling.
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  • It's unbelievable.
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  • - Brian: And to think about the
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  • fact that, I think, tonight, 20
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  • yards away, or 30, 40 yards,
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  • you're gonna be hosting "Praise
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  • the Lord" program.
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  • - Matt: Correct.
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  • - Brian: And so that in
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  • itself's a great picture of how
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  • we're doing this together.
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  • - Matt: We are.
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  • - Brian: So during those years,
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  • in your early teens and so on,
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  • did you ever get to a point
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  • where you felt like you resented
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  • the ministry?
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  • Or did you always have a love
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  • for it?
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  • - Matt: I don't recall resent.
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  • You know, I just don't recall
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  • that.
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  • I was, my personality was more
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  • of the person that tried to glue
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  • our family together.
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  • And I used or attempted to use
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  • humor.
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  • I attempted to use, you know,
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  • kind of my position.
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  • If my mom and dad were griping
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  • at each other, if my dad and my
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  • brother were griping at each
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  • other, I was always the one that
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  • tried to kinda bring unity back
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  • to the family.
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  • I was kinda the, somewhat of the
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  • peacemaker in regard to
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  • everything.
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  • And so I felt like that was
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  • always my role.
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  • So there was always a mission.
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  • There was always something to
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  • accomplish.
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  • And I don't recall having
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  • resentment.
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  • I really--that wasn't, you know,
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  • that wasn't my thing that I
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  • battled.
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  • - Brian: But what about--?
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  • Any public family faces accolade
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  • and criticism.
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  • And obviously, you've, over the
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  • years, seen your own family
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  • criticized, things that are dear
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  • to you criticized.
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  • How was your human reaction to
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  • that?
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  • - Matt: My dad always was able
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  • to somewhat rise above
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  • criticism.
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  • And, you know, he was kinda
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  • famous for, you know,
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  • identifying with David.
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  • He would always kinda, you know,
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  • kinda think, you know, "It's
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  • okay to pray that God kills your
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  • enemies," and all this kind of
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  • stuff, you know?
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  • He was always really a fighter.
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  • And so, the idea that he was
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  • fighting to possess something
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  • really got him through, and he
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  • elevated above criticism a lot.
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  • And he just never made it a real
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  • big issue in our household.
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  • It was always just kinda, you
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  • know?
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  • We lived this life.
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  • This was our life.
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  • A third are gonna love ya.
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  • A third are gonna hate ya.
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  • And a third don't care.
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  • And so, you know, I mean, that's
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  • just kinda the way that
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  • we lived our life.
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  • - Laurie: You know, that's
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  • always painful.
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  • We started hosting immediately a
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  • program called "Real Videos,"
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  • you know?
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  • And I was, like, 20, 21, 22
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  • years old.
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  • All of a sudden, you'd get ugly
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  • letters, you know, amongst
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  • mostly good ones.
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  • But then those critical ones
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  • seemed to have such an effect on
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  • you, you know, and I just
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  • couldn't believe that people
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  • could be so ugly, you know, and
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  • say such ugly things and still
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  • claim to be Christians.
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  • I just--it just blew my mind.
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  • And someone said to me one day,
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  • they said, "Laurie, you know
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  • what?"
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  • They said, "You know what true
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  • spirituality is?"
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  • And I said, "What?"
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  • And they said, "It's when you
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  • can read a letter that says,
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  • 'You are sent from God himself.
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  • You are, you know, the best
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  • thing that's ever happened.'
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  • And then read one that says,
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  • 'You are the daughter of the
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  • devil.'
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  • And they both affect you the
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  • same way."
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  • And I thought, "You know what?
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  • That's good."
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  • And so I just, I really at first
  • 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.040
  • struggled with criticism and
  • 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:04.160
  • stuff.
  • 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:05.040
  • And then I thought, "You know
  • 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:06.040
  • what?
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  • Third are gonna love ya, third
  • 00:08:07.200 --> 00:08:08.140
  • are gonna hate ya, and third
  • 00:08:08.140 --> 00:08:09.080
  • don't care."
  • 00:08:09.080 --> 00:08:10.080
  • So you just gotta--everyone's
  • 00:08:10.080 --> 00:08:12.070
  • got an opinion, you know?
  • 00:08:12.070 --> 00:08:13.280
  • - Brian: Yeah, I'm interested
  • 00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:14.240
  • because my dad was a prominent
  • 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.110
  • pastor when I was a kid in our
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  • part of the world.
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  • And when he got criticized, I
  • 00:08:19.010 --> 00:08:21.160
  • think I felt it maybe even more
  • 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.180
  • than he did and that's why I was
  • 00:08:23.180 --> 00:08:24.230
  • interested I how you felt during
  • 00:08:24.230 --> 00:08:26.130
  • this time, watching your own
  • 00:08:26.130 --> 00:08:27.070
  • parents get beat up, you know?
  • 00:08:27.070 --> 00:08:28.150
  • - Laurie: It's different with
  • 00:08:28.150 --> 00:08:29.030
  • your parents.
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  • - Matt: I do know that only
  • 00:08:30.020 --> 00:08:32.150
  • later in life did my mom and dad
  • 00:08:32.150 --> 00:08:34.140
  • reveal some of the more
  • 00:08:34.140 --> 00:08:36.280
  • difficult and painful things.
  • 00:08:36.280 --> 00:08:38.070
  • - Brian: So they protected you
  • 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:38.260
  • from it.
  • 00:08:38.260 --> 00:08:39.100
  • - Matt: They somewhat protected
  • 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:41.150
  • me.
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  • They just didn't share a lot of
  • 00:08:43.020 --> 00:08:44.100
  • that.
  • 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:46.000
  • - Brian: Coming up next:
  • 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.280
  • - Matt: We just got a phone
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  • call in the middle of the night.
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  • Literally, for us it was the
  • 00:08:50.210 --> 00:08:51.190
  • middle of the night.
  • 00:08:51.190 --> 00:08:53.050
  • And a couple of the guys that
  • 00:08:53.050 --> 00:08:55.040
  • were with here, security guys
  • 00:08:55.040 --> 00:08:56.150
  • that were around my mom at the
  • 00:08:56.150 --> 00:08:58.100
  • time called.
  • 00:08:58.100 --> 00:08:59.110
  • And I knew that when both of
  • 00:08:59.110 --> 00:09:00.150
  • them called, somethin' was
  • 00:09:00.150 --> 00:09:02.230
  • - Brian: You know, the
  • 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:10.270
  • transition of the last few
  • 00:09:10.270 --> 00:09:12.220
  • years, I think, is something
  • 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:14.180
  • that's really, really interested
  • 00:09:14.180 --> 00:09:16.060
  • in how that happened.
  • 00:09:16.060 --> 00:09:17.200
  • And then even in that, you know,
  • 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.250
  • some of your family's public
  • 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:21.260
  • issues, you know, and so on, and
  • 00:09:21.260 --> 00:09:23.280
  • having to navigate all of them.
  • 00:09:23.280 --> 00:09:25.180
  • And there was a time, wasn't
  • 00:09:25.180 --> 00:09:26.130
  • there, when you did walk away
  • 00:09:26.130 --> 00:09:27.290
  • from Trinity Broadcasting?
  • 00:09:27.290 --> 00:09:29.180
  • - Matt: I did.
  • 00:09:29.180 --> 00:09:30.030
  • - Brian: Yeah.
  • 00:09:30.030 --> 00:09:30.200
  • - Matt: I was, really felt a
  • 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.100
  • calling to the film industry.
  • 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:35.170
  • So Laurie and I, in the late, or
  • 00:09:35.170 --> 00:09:38.120
  • the early '90s, transitioned
  • 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.260
  • from Trinity Broadcasting up to
  • 00:09:40.260 --> 00:09:43.260
  • Hollywood.
  • 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:44.210
  • We kinda just went up there.
  • 00:09:44.210 --> 00:09:46.220
  • And, you know, we just had this
  • 00:09:46.220 --> 00:09:48.160
  • idea we wanted to make a movie,
  • 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:50.080
  • you know?
  • 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:50.230
  • And the idea that the first one
  • 00:09:52.030 --> 00:09:55.030
  • we ever made ended up being the
  • 00:09:55.030 --> 00:09:56.210
  • number-1 independent film of the
  • 00:09:56.210 --> 00:09:58.010
  • year.
  • 00:09:58.010 --> 00:09:58.230
  • And what was so funny about it
  • 00:09:58.230 --> 00:10:00.100
  • is it wasn't a very good movie.
  • 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:02.240
  • And so we put on the DVD box
  • 00:10:03.010 --> 00:10:06.010
  • that sold more than 2 million,
  • 00:10:06.010 --> 00:10:08.040
  • "It's not a movie.
  • 00:10:08.040 --> 00:10:09.090
  • It's a miracle."
  • 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:10.020
  • Because it really was.
  • 00:10:10.020 --> 00:10:11.080
  • It was just God showing us a
  • 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:12.180
  • marker that he wanted us to
  • 00:10:12.180 --> 00:10:13.290
  • understand, you know, some new
  • 00:10:14.030 --> 00:10:17.030
  • things.
  • 00:10:17.030 --> 00:10:17.190
  • And he wanted to teach us.
  • 00:10:17.190 --> 00:10:19.020
  • I think our time away from
  • 00:10:19.020 --> 00:10:20.050
  • Trinity is the most important
  • 00:10:20.050 --> 00:10:21.280
  • time in our lives.
  • 00:10:22.040 --> 00:10:25.040
  • - Laurie: It built our
  • 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:25.230
  • foundation.
  • 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:26.100
  • - Matt: It caused us to
  • 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:27.290
  • understand.
  • 00:10:27.290 --> 00:10:29.090
  • And, you know, we've heard the
  • 00:10:29.090 --> 00:10:30.290
  • term many times in the church
  • 00:10:30.290 --> 00:10:32.050
  • that God doesn't have
  • 00:10:32.050 --> 00:10:33.050
  • grandchildren, only children.
  • 00:10:33.050 --> 00:10:35.030
  • So we had to transition out of
  • 00:10:35.030 --> 00:10:37.040
  • Trinity, I believe, to get a
  • 00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:39.240
  • steel backbone, to see God
  • 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.210
  • provide for us, not because of
  • 00:10:42.230 --> 00:10:45.230
  • our parents.
  • 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:46.260
  • - Brian: I understand that.
  • 00:10:46.260 --> 00:10:47.220
  • - Matt: It was then, in 2009,
  • 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:49.220
  • when my dad was, you know, he
  • 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:53.040
  • was still doin' good, you know?
  • 00:10:53.040 --> 00:10:55.090
  • I mean, he passed away in 2013,
  • 00:10:55.090 --> 00:10:57.250
  • late 2013, but in 2009 he was
  • 00:10:57.270 --> 00:11:00.290
  • still doin' good.
  • 00:11:00.290 --> 00:11:01.240
  • And he looked at me one day.
  • 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.210
  • Laurie and I were sitting close
  • 00:11:03.210 --> 00:11:05.160
  • like this.
  • 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:06.120
  • We were sitting together.
  • 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:07.260
  • And he looked at us and he said,
  • 00:11:07.260 --> 00:11:10.030
  • "Matthew, do you ever see the
  • 00:11:10.030 --> 00:11:11.060
  • day when you'll sell your
  • 00:11:11.060 --> 00:11:13.040
  • company in Hollywood," your film
  • 00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:14.180
  • production company is what he
  • 00:11:14.180 --> 00:11:15.200
  • was talking about, "and come and
  • 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.050
  • transition down and serve this
  • 00:11:18.050 --> 00:11:20.120
  • ministry as president?"
  • 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:23.110
  • And I, you know, that was his
  • 00:11:23.110 --> 00:11:25.150
  • job.
  • 00:11:25.150 --> 00:11:26.090
  • That was his title.
  • 00:11:26.090 --> 00:11:27.160
  • And I said, "Do you?"
  • 00:11:27.160 --> 00:11:29.180
  • And he said, "Yes, I do."
  • 00:11:29.180 --> 00:11:32.000
  • And then a big tear started
  • 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.180
  • swelling up in his eyes and he
  • 00:11:33.180 --> 00:11:35.130
  • said, and I said, "Well, then I
  • 00:11:35.130 --> 00:11:37.010
  • do."
  • 00:11:37.010 --> 00:11:38.060
  • And that was just, you know, a
  • 00:11:38.070 --> 00:11:41.070
  • few months later, we
  • 00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:43.010
  • transitioned down to Trinity.
  • 00:11:43.010 --> 00:11:45.010
  • And we--that was 2011.
  • 00:11:46.060 --> 00:11:49.060
  • My father placed his hands on
  • 00:11:49.060 --> 00:11:51.080
  • Laurie and me, and I remember he
  • 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.030
  • said with joy and love, "The
  • 00:11:54.030 --> 00:11:57.030
  • mantle that was placed on your
  • 00:11:57.030 --> 00:11:59.090
  • mother and I so many years ago I
  • 00:11:59.090 --> 00:12:02.090
  • now place on you."
  • 00:12:02.090 --> 00:12:04.170
  • And, you know, that was a
  • 00:12:04.170 --> 00:12:07.050
  • very--it was a--it was a very--
  • 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.200
  • - Laurie: Special.
  • 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:17.130
  • - Matt: Special, very, very
  • 00:12:17.130 --> 00:12:18.250
  • special--a very special time.
  • 00:12:22.100 --> 00:12:25.100
  • - Laurie: It was such an
  • 00:12:25.100 --> 00:12:26.270
  • emotional time because you saw a
  • 00:12:26.270 --> 00:12:29.030
  • father of the faith that had
  • 00:12:29.030 --> 00:12:30.060
  • built something.
  • 00:12:30.060 --> 00:12:31.040
  • You know, I just, I don't think
  • 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:32.140
  • I've ever seen or met anybody
  • 00:12:32.140 --> 00:12:34.050
  • like Papa.
  • 00:12:34.050 --> 00:12:36.200
  • And to see him, and you know, he
  • 00:12:37.180 --> 00:12:40.180
  • didn't take that lightly at all.
  • 00:12:40.180 --> 00:12:42.170
  • It was something that weighed
  • 00:12:42.170 --> 00:12:43.140
  • very heavy on his heart for
  • 00:12:43.140 --> 00:12:45.230
  • years.
  • 00:12:45.230 --> 00:12:46.250
  • And the timing of that and how
  • 00:12:48.090 --> 00:12:51.090
  • it happened was very
  • 00:12:51.090 --> 00:12:53.060
  • significant.
  • 00:12:53.060 --> 00:12:54.120
  • - Brian: Made it even more
  • 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:55.000
  • significant.
  • 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:55.220
  • - Laurie: Yeah, a very heavy
  • 00:12:55.220 --> 00:12:58.080
  • thing for all of us, and it was
  • 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.120
  • beautiful.
  • 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.090
  • - Matt: Somebody asked the
  • 00:13:01.090 --> 00:13:02.130
  • other day if you feel
  • 00:13:02.130 --> 00:13:04.250
  • overwhelmed in what you're
  • 00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:06.050
  • doing.
  • 00:13:06.050 --> 00:13:07.100
  • And it was an interesting thing
  • 00:13:07.100 --> 00:13:10.000
  • because I really don't.
  • 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.140
  • And what I--I responded the
  • 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:16.040
  • other day by saying, "My dad and
  • 00:13:16.040 --> 00:13:18.070
  • my mom both prepared Laurie and
  • 00:13:18.070 --> 00:13:20.260
  • I very well."
  • 00:13:20.260 --> 00:13:22.200
  • - Brian: So, well, I actually
  • 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.140
  • was gonna ask you.
  • 00:13:23.140 --> 00:13:24.060
  • Like, when you suddenly you
  • 00:13:24.060 --> 00:13:26.150
  • realized that this isn't
  • 00:13:26.150 --> 00:13:27.130
  • something that's going
  • 00:13:27.130 --> 00:13:28.000
  • to happen.
  • 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:28.150
  • This is something that has just
  • 00:13:28.150 --> 00:13:29.230
  • happened.
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:30.120
  • I was gonna ask you, like, did
  • 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.270
  • that just fall heavy on your
  • 00:13:31.270 --> 00:13:33.040
  • shoulders?
  • 00:13:33.040 --> 00:13:33.240
  • Or is it something that--?
  • 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.090
  • - Matt: You know, Brian, when
  • 00:13:36.090 --> 00:13:38.090
  • the transition was fully
  • 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:40.260
  • realized, it was a shock.
  • 00:13:40.260 --> 00:13:43.030
  • We just got a phone call in the
  • 00:13:43.030 --> 00:13:44.280
  • middle of the night.
  • 00:13:44.280 --> 00:13:45.200
  • Literally, for us it was the
  • 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:46.170
  • middle of the night.
  • 00:13:46.170 --> 00:13:48.020
  • And a couple of the guys that
  • 00:13:48.020 --> 00:13:49.280
  • were with her, security guys
  • 00:13:49.280 --> 00:13:51.060
  • that were around my mom at the
  • 00:13:51.060 --> 00:13:53.050
  • time called.
  • 00:13:53.050 --> 00:13:54.060
  • And I knew that when both of
  • 00:13:54.060 --> 00:13:55.120
  • them called, somethin' was
  • 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.150
  • really wrong.
  • 00:13:57.150 --> 00:13:58.280
  • And we spent the last 3 or 4
  • 00:13:58.280 --> 00:14:00.100
  • days of her life with her.
  • 00:14:00.100 --> 00:14:02.060
  • She couldn't communicate.
  • 00:14:02.060 --> 00:14:03.110
  • She was squeezing hands.
  • 00:14:03.110 --> 00:14:04.250
  • She could kiss the back of our
  • 00:14:04.250 --> 00:14:06.090
  • hands.
  • 00:14:06.090 --> 00:14:06.290
  • And she knew it was us.
  • 00:14:06.290 --> 00:14:08.200
  • And she knew that her
  • 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:09.210
  • grandchildren were there, Caylan
  • 00:14:09.210 --> 00:14:11.090
  • and Cody.
  • 00:14:11.090 --> 00:14:12.030
  • She knew we were there.
  • 00:14:12.030 --> 00:14:14.060
  • But it was a shock.
  • 00:14:14.060 --> 00:14:15.250
  • And when it ultimately, when she
  • 00:14:17.050 --> 00:14:20.050
  • passed and we were standing
  • 00:14:20.050 --> 00:14:22.110
  • right over her when she did,
  • 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.200
  • there was a sense that they had
  • 00:14:34.110 --> 00:14:37.110
  • done a good job preparing us.
  • 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:40.060
  • There wasn't a sense of dread.
  • 00:14:40.060 --> 00:14:42.240
  • There was a sense of excitement,
  • 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.140
  • actually.
  • 00:14:44.140 --> 00:14:45.130
  • It was really a spiritual
  • 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:47.160
  • thing that happened.
  • 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:48.010
  • - Laurie: You know, I will say
  • 00:14:48.010 --> 00:14:48.240
  • this, Brian, is that within 18
  • 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.130
  • hours of Mom's passing, that
  • 00:14:51.130 --> 00:14:53.180
  • they were both now gone,
  • 00:14:53.180 --> 00:14:55.230
  • Hillsong Channel started.
  • 00:14:55.230 --> 00:14:56.240
  • - Brian: Well, I was gonna go
  • 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:57.200
  • there.
  • 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:58.050
  • I think, was it May the 31st
  • 00:14:58.050 --> 00:15:00.040
  • when your mum went to heaven?
  • 00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:02.260
  • Twelve hours later,
  • 00:15:02.260 --> 00:15:03.250
  • approximately, Hillsong Channel
  • 00:15:03.250 --> 00:15:06.200
  • started, which was somethin'
  • 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:08.000
  • that God started in your heart
  • 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:09.080
  • and you know, we were excited
  • 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.120
  • about.
  • 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:12.040
  • And now we're in the big busy
  • 00:15:12.040 --> 00:15:14.050
  • reality of making it happen.
  • 00:15:14.050 --> 00:15:15.260
  • But just the significance of
  • 00:15:15.260 --> 00:15:17.150
  • that because you've talked a lot
  • 00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:18.240
  • about the second generation, the
  • 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.070
  • second generation of Christian,
  • 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:23.070
  • well, Christian media full stop,
  • 00:15:23.070 --> 00:15:25.030
  • but of Trinity Broadcasting
  • 00:15:25.030 --> 00:15:26.180
  • Network.
  • 00:15:26.180 --> 00:15:27.170
  • Now, there's that sense, right
  • 00:15:27.170 --> 00:15:28.240
  • from that day 1, that Hillsong
  • 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.220
  • Channel is a part of the future,
  • 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:32.110
  • so, yeah, it's powerful.
  • 00:15:32.130 --> 00:15:35.130
  • - Matt: Two very significant
  • 00:15:35.130 --> 00:15:37.130
  • things happened within hours of
  • 00:15:37.130 --> 00:15:39.270
  • my mom's passing.
  • 00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:42.270
  • The--television is transitioning
  • 00:15:43.150 --> 00:15:46.150
  • in America.
  • 00:15:46.150 --> 00:15:48.040
  • FCC is doing what's called a
  • 00:15:48.040 --> 00:15:49.220
  • spectrum auction.
  • 00:15:49.220 --> 00:15:51.000
  • And it's really the biggest
  • 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.000
  • change in the history of
  • 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.060
  • broadcasting.
  • 00:15:55.060 --> 00:15:56.140
  • It started within 12 hours of my
  • 00:15:57.110 --> 00:16:00.130
  • mom's passing.
  • 00:16:00.130 --> 00:16:01.180
  • And the Hillsong channel lit and
  • 00:16:01.180 --> 00:16:04.080
  • began broadcasting on 11
  • 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.130
  • satellites around the world.
  • 00:16:06.130 --> 00:16:08.210
  • But it--
  • 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:10.030
  • - Laurie: Felt very much like a
  • 00:16:10.030 --> 00:16:11.020
  • new day.
  • 00:16:11.020 --> 00:16:12.270
  • - Matt: Very much like it.
  • 00:16:12.270 --> 00:16:14.010
  • - Laurie: With, you know,
  • 00:16:14.010 --> 00:16:15.070
  • we--you said Pastor Morris had
  • 00:16:15.070 --> 00:16:18.020
  • said somethin' like, "Christians
  • 00:16:18.020 --> 00:16:20.110
  • are the only ones that can
  • 00:16:20.110 --> 00:16:21.260
  • grieve and rejoice at the same
  • 00:16:21.260 --> 00:16:24.100
  • time."
  • 00:16:24.100 --> 00:16:25.200
  • You know, and it's not that they
  • 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.200
  • died, they just moved.
  • 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.100
  • They just moved to heaven.
  • 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:29.160
  • You know, and they were both so
  • 00:16:29.160 --> 00:16:30.230
  • ready to go.
  • 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:31.220
  • And they had finished, fully
  • 00:16:31.220 --> 00:16:34.020
  • finished their course.
  • 00:16:34.020 --> 00:16:35.260
  • And I think we just took great
  • 00:16:35.260 --> 00:16:37.190
  • comfort in that.
  • 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:39.090
  • - Brian: That's great.
  • 00:16:39.090 --> 00:16:40.100
  • I often think about, you know,
  • 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:41.270
  • our approach to life and the
  • 00:16:41.270 --> 00:16:43.240
  • idea of honoring the past,
  • 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.150
  • living for today, building for
  • 00:16:45.150 --> 00:16:47.000
  • tomorrow.
  • 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:48.020
  • And, you know, you're in that
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:50.170
  • point now of beginning to
  • 00:16:50.170 --> 00:16:51.090
  • actually preach the message from
  • 00:16:51.090 --> 00:16:53.040
  • Psalm 45 where it says: "Instead
  • 00:16:53.040 --> 00:16:54.240
  • of your fathers will be your
  • 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.210
  • sons; and they'll be princes in
  • 00:16:55.210 --> 00:16:57.150
  • the land."
  • 00:16:57.150 --> 00:16:58.260
  • And that whole idea of one
  • 00:16:58.260 --> 00:17:00.210
  • generation's ceiling becoming
  • 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:02.060
  • another generation's floor.
  • 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:04.060
  • And of course, that's exactly
  • 00:17:04.060 --> 00:17:05.050
  • what's happened for you.
  • 00:17:05.050 --> 00:17:06.030
  • So, you know, you've got a very
  • 00:17:06.030 --> 00:17:07.240
  • loyal partner base.
  • 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:09.170
  • You've got very loyal people in
  • 00:17:09.170 --> 00:17:10.280
  • your TBN family, Trinity
  • 00:17:10.280 --> 00:17:12.120
  • Broadcasting Network family.
  • 00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:14.090
  • And you've got that
  • 00:17:14.090 --> 00:17:16.200
  • responsibility to steward,
  • 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:18.070
  • honoring the people who love you
  • 00:17:18.070 --> 00:17:20.030
  • and love what this channel is
  • 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:21.030
  • about, loved your parents, and
  • 00:17:21.030 --> 00:17:22.200
  • now taking that into the future.
  • 00:17:25.050 --> 00:17:28.050
  • What's that journey feel like?
  • 00:17:28.050 --> 00:17:30.250
  • - Matt: Going forward, all we
  • 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:32.080
  • do is get out of the way.
  • 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:33.290
  • Laurie and I have to get out of
  • 00:17:33.290 --> 00:17:34.270
  • the way and let the
  • 00:17:34.270 --> 00:17:37.110
  • expressions--that's why we are
  • 00:17:37.110 --> 00:17:39.190
  • so humbled sitting here today,
  • 00:17:39.190 --> 00:17:41.000
  • Brian.
  • 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:41.200
  • The idea that what God did
  • 00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:44.270
  • through the Hillsong movement,
  • 00:17:44.270 --> 00:17:47.040
  • and it is a movement, and the
  • 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:48.240
  • millions that worship through
  • 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.290
  • your music, the millions that
  • 00:17:50.290 --> 00:17:52.120
  • are impacted by your global
  • 00:17:52.120 --> 00:17:54.130
  • presence, those are expressions
  • 00:17:54.130 --> 00:17:57.030
  • now on the airwaves.
  • 00:17:57.030 --> 00:17:58.250
  • And it's like God knows what
  • 00:17:58.250 --> 00:18:00.280
  • he's doing.
  • 00:18:00.280 --> 00:18:01.230
  • He's linking the expressions
  • 00:18:01.230 --> 00:18:04.130
  • with the technologies.
  • 00:18:04.130 --> 00:18:06.030
  • Our job is to simply talk about
  • 00:18:06.030 --> 00:18:08.070
  • Jesus.
  • 00:18:08.070 --> 00:18:09.030
  • Let people know that he loves
  • 00:18:09.030 --> 00:18:10.160
  • them.
  • 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:11.020
  • Let hope and grace permeate the
  • 00:18:11.150 --> 00:18:14.150
  • airwaves.
  • 00:18:14.150 --> 00:18:15.150
  • And Jesus is always gonna be
  • 00:18:15.150 --> 00:18:16.290
  • relevant into the future and way
  • 00:18:16.290 --> 00:18:19.080
  • - Brian: Coming up after the
  • 00:18:21.190 --> 00:18:22.170
  • break:
  • 00:18:22.170 --> 00:18:24.040
  • - Matt: Because it was the
  • 00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:24.230
  • largest criticism to Christian
  • 00:18:24.230 --> 00:18:26.230
  • television in the history of
  • 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:28.100
  • Christian television.
  • 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:30.010
  • It was, you know, "All you want
  • 00:18:30.010 --> 00:18:32.030
  • - Brian: One of the things that
  • 00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:39.290
  • I get asked by secular media
  • 00:18:40.270 --> 00:18:43.270
  • when it comes to Hillsong, "Why,
  • 00:18:43.270 --> 00:18:45.090
  • in the 21st century, are all
  • 00:18:45.090 --> 00:18:46.110
  • these people coming to church
  • 00:18:46.110 --> 00:18:47.210
  • when the statistics say church
  • 00:18:47.210 --> 00:18:49.220
  • is declining, people aren't
  • 00:18:49.220 --> 00:18:50.230
  • going anymore?"
  • 00:18:50.230 --> 00:18:52.040
  • And talking about the message
  • 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:53.210
  • and the methods.
  • 00:18:53.210 --> 00:18:54.180
  • And I think, you know, the
  • 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:56.030
  • message never changes, but the
  • 00:18:56.030 --> 00:18:57.230
  • methods have to change.
  • 00:18:57.230 --> 00:18:58.270
  • And I think with you guys as
  • 00:18:58.270 --> 00:18:59.250
  • well, you know, you're obviously
  • 00:19:00.130 --> 00:19:03.130
  • moving forward.
  • 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:04.280
  • And so I just watch that
  • 00:19:04.280 --> 00:19:06.030
  • journey.
  • 00:19:06.030 --> 00:19:06.180
  • I'm fascinated to see you
  • 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:08.020
  • navigate that.
  • 00:19:08.020 --> 00:19:08.280
  • - Matt: Well, the method of
  • 00:19:08.280 --> 00:19:10.170
  • what this studio is, you know, a
  • 00:19:10.170 --> 00:19:13.160
  • year ago, there might have been
  • 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.010
  • two potted plants and a, you
  • 00:19:15.010 --> 00:19:17.160
  • know, and a couple of things.
  • 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.130
  • And what we sit on today and the
  • 00:19:19.250 --> 00:19:22.250
  • idea that the expression of the
  • 00:19:23.060 --> 00:19:26.060
  • Hillsong Channel and the
  • 00:19:26.060 --> 00:19:27.270
  • expression of what you and
  • 00:19:27.270 --> 00:19:29.090
  • Bobbie have created over all
  • 00:19:29.090 --> 00:19:31.100
  • these years, it's almost like
  • 00:19:31.100 --> 00:19:33.210
  • we're getting to reap where we
  • 00:19:33.210 --> 00:19:35.260
  • didn't have to sow.
  • 00:19:35.260 --> 00:19:37.170
  • God's doing something, Brian.
  • 00:19:37.170 --> 00:19:39.210
  • The second generation of
  • 00:19:39.210 --> 00:19:41.110
  • Christian television is so
  • 00:19:41.110 --> 00:19:42.130
  • exciting.
  • 00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:43.080
  • The idea that new horizons, new
  • 00:19:43.080 --> 00:19:45.180
  • things, new types of
  • 00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:47.130
  • programming, new scripted
  • 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:48.220
  • content, is all gonna happen,
  • 00:19:48.220 --> 00:19:51.150
  • we're gonna see that happen.
  • 00:19:51.150 --> 00:19:52.240
  • We're all going to see that
  • 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.240
  • happen, and God's gonna be
  • 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.170
  • glorified in a way that is gonna
  • 00:19:56.170 --> 00:19:58.150
  • shock even us.
  • 00:19:58.150 --> 00:19:59.200
  • - Brian: You talked earlier
  • 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:00.070
  • about the fact that you don't do
  • 00:20:00.070 --> 00:20:02.080
  • telethons.
  • 00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:03.000
  • But obviously, that was the
  • 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.250
  • model for Christian television
  • 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:06.150
  • for a long time.
  • 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:07.200
  • So, in a nutshell, why have you
  • 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.250
  • changed that?
  • 00:20:09.250 --> 00:20:10.140
  • Why you have moved away from
  • 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:11.140
  • doing telethons?
  • 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:12.190
  • - Matt: Because it was the
  • 00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:13.140
  • largest criticism to Christian
  • 00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:15.050
  • television in the history of
  • 00:20:15.050 --> 00:20:16.240
  • Christian television.
  • 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.160
  • It was, you know, "All you want
  • 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.230
  • is money."
  • 00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:22.030
  • Brian, we just decided to make a
  • 00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:25.080
  • step of faith.
  • 00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:26.210
  • - Brian: And it is a step of
  • 00:20:26.210 --> 00:20:27.090
  • faith because you've still gotta
  • 00:20:27.090 --> 00:20:28.170
  • pay bills.
  • 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:29.170
  • - Matt: It was really something
  • 00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:30.160
  • that you and I discussed very
  • 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.280
  • early on in this creation of
  • 00:20:31.280 --> 00:20:33.250
  • this Hillsong Channel is that we
  • 00:20:33.250 --> 00:20:35.180
  • wouldn't use the airwaves for
  • 00:20:35.180 --> 00:20:38.070
  • fundraising.
  • 00:20:38.070 --> 00:20:39.080
  • - Brian: So we're gonna have to
  • 00:20:39.080 --> 00:20:40.080
  • wrap up, unfortunately, 'cause I
  • 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:41.120
  • could talk to you for a long,
  • 00:20:41.120 --> 00:20:42.130
  • long time.
  • 00:20:42.130 --> 00:20:44.050
  • But your family, so now you got
  • 00:20:44.050 --> 00:20:45.270
  • two boys.
  • 00:20:45.270 --> 00:20:46.240
  • - Laurie: Yes, Caylan and Cody
  • 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.170
  • are our sons, and 26 and 23
  • 00:20:49.270 --> 00:20:52.270
  • years old.
  • 00:20:52.270 --> 00:20:53.280
  • Amazing, God
  • 00:20:54.030 --> 00:20:57.030
  • has just truly blessed us.
  • 00:20:57.030 --> 00:20:57.190
  • - Matt: Almost déjà vu, Brian,
  • 00:20:57.190 --> 00:20:59.050
  • because you asked me earlier if
  • 00:20:59.070 --> 00:21:02.090
  • I felt resentment towards having
  • 00:21:02.090 --> 00:21:04.280
  • to grow up in this world, and I
  • 00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:06.290
  • told you I really didn't sense
  • 00:21:06.290 --> 00:21:08.130
  • that.
  • 00:21:08.130 --> 00:21:09.080
  • And my boys are like that.
  • 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:12.120
  • There's so much to do and so
  • 00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:13.200
  • much to accomplish and so many
  • 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.110
  • great ways to express themselves
  • 00:21:15.110 --> 00:21:17.200
  • through creativity and
  • 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.220
  • camerawork and lighting.
  • 00:21:18.220 --> 00:21:20.060
  • And they picked up on that.
  • 00:21:20.170 --> 00:21:23.170
  • And my dad looked at Laurie and
  • 00:21:25.130 --> 00:21:28.130
  • me one day--
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:29.170
  • - Laurie: A time or two.
  • 00:21:29.170 --> 00:21:31.020
  • - Matt: A number of times, but
  • 00:21:31.020 --> 00:21:32.000
  • I remember once in the last few
  • 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.040
  • days of his life, and my dad
  • 00:21:34.150 --> 00:21:37.150
  • literally had his fist like this
  • 00:21:37.150 --> 00:21:40.100
  • and he was looking at Laurie and
  • 00:21:40.100 --> 00:21:42.060
  • I very sternly.
  • 00:21:42.060 --> 00:21:43.250
  • And he said, "Swear me an oath
  • 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:46.030
  • that your son Caylan will be
  • 00:21:46.030 --> 00:21:48.120
  • president of TBN one day.
  • 00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:50.270
  • Swear me the oath."
  • 00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:52.270
  • And, you know, my dad recognized
  • 00:21:53.090 --> 00:21:56.090
  • business principles inside my
  • 00:21:56.090 --> 00:21:58.010
  • oldest son, creative principles
  • 00:21:58.010 --> 00:22:00.140
  • inside my youngest son.
  • 00:22:00.140 --> 00:22:02.000
  • They're very different, you
  • 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.090
  • know, very uniquely different,
  • 00:22:03.090 --> 00:22:06.030
  • and they are our greatest assets
  • 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.200
  • and we love them and we're so
  • 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.040
  • proud of 'em.
  • 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:12.040
  • - Brian: That's good, I love
  • 00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:13.100
  • that.
  • 00:22:13.100 --> 00:22:14.090
  • And so I watch your family, and
  • 00:22:14.090 --> 00:22:16.280
  • you're a--you two are, you know,
  • 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:18.130
  • you're very close, very, very
  • 00:22:18.130 --> 00:22:19.240
  • difficult to find you not
  • 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:21.130
  • together.
  • 00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:22.090
  • - Matt: Yeah, we do this
  • 00:22:22.090 --> 00:22:23.240
  • together.
  • 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:25.080
  • The Lord showed me one time, and
  • 00:22:25.080 --> 00:22:26.240
  • he, in a kind of a vision-type
  • 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.030
  • thing, he just pointed his
  • 00:22:29.030 --> 00:22:30.080
  • finger at me and he said, "I
  • 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:32.050
  • haven't called you.
  • 00:22:32.050 --> 00:22:34.050
  • I've called you."
  • 00:22:34.050 --> 00:22:36.180
  • And so Laurie is co-chairman of
  • 00:22:37.190 --> 00:22:40.190
  • everything I am.
  • 00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:42.190
  • And we are very rarely apart,
  • 00:22:42.190 --> 00:22:44.250
  • you're right, because we always
  • 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:46.250
  • do everything together.
  • 00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:48.230
  • - Brian: You know, we've talked
  • 00:22:48.230 --> 00:22:50.110
  • a lot about transition.
  • 00:22:50.110 --> 00:22:51.270
  • But there was a lot of God and
  • 00:22:51.270 --> 00:22:54.010
  • there was a lot of blessing.
  • 00:22:54.010 --> 00:22:54.210
  • But there was also a lot going
  • 00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:56.130
  • on in the bigger world, where, I
  • 00:22:56.130 --> 00:22:58.090
  • mean, even, you know, all sorts
  • 00:22:58.090 --> 00:23:00.160
  • of public court cases, and all
  • 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:02.250
  • of this.
  • 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:03.180
  • Did you ever feel like, "Why do
  • 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:04.210
  • I want this?
  • 00:23:04.210 --> 00:23:05.060
  • Why wouldn't I just walk away?"
  • 00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:08.060
  • - Matt: Brian, yes, but there
  • 00:23:09.030 --> 00:23:12.030
  • was a season of time in 2011 and
  • 00:23:13.090 --> 00:23:16.090
  • Laurie looked at me, almost in
  • 00:23:16.090 --> 00:23:19.020
  • desperation, and said, "God's
  • 00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:21.080
  • called us back to TBN.
  • 00:23:21.080 --> 00:23:23.280
  • We're supposed to be there, but
  • 00:23:23.280 --> 00:23:25.230
  • we're not supposed to be
  • 00:23:25.230 --> 00:23:26.160
  • fighting for the rest of our
  • 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:29.220
  • lives."
  • 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.130
  • And we felt a very unique
  • 00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:32.240
  • unwelcome as we approached back
  • 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.200
  • into TBN.
  • 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:37.020
  • But God brought us back.
  • 00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:39.180
  • He called us back, held us in
  • 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.200
  • place, and we wanted to cut and
  • 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.190
  • run.
  • 00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:46.040
  • You bet we wanted to cut and
  • 00:23:46.040 --> 00:23:47.180
  • run.
  • 00:23:47.180 --> 00:23:48.210
  • And we were here just in time to
  • 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:53.140
  • help my parents navigate the
  • 00:23:53.140 --> 00:23:56.040
  • most difficult season of their
  • 00:23:56.040 --> 00:23:57.210
  • life.
  • 00:23:57.210 --> 00:23:58.100
  • My dad went to his deathbed
  • 00:23:58.100 --> 00:23:59.260
  • being sued by his grandchildren.
  • 00:24:00.030 --> 00:24:03.030
  • My mom went to her grave being
  • 00:24:03.030 --> 00:24:05.150
  • sued by her grandchildren.
  • 00:24:07.020 --> 00:24:10.020
  • And it was probably the ugliest
  • 00:24:10.270 --> 00:24:13.270
  • chapter in TBN's history.
  • 00:24:14.170 --> 00:24:17.170
  • - Brian: Yes, well, I'll tell
  • 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:18.210
  • ya, I, for one, and I know many
  • 00:24:18.210 --> 00:24:20.260
  • others, millions of others will
  • 00:24:20.260 --> 00:24:22.140
  • be glad that you didn't cut
  • 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:23.230
  • and run.
  • 00:24:23.230 --> 00:24:24.220
  • Because what God's got ahead for
  • 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:26.110
  • you, I believe, is very, very
  • 00:24:26.110 --> 00:24:28.180
  • powerful.
  • 00:24:28.180 --> 00:24:29.260
  • So, to me, you guys are young,
  • 00:24:29.260 --> 00:24:31.280
  • from where I sit.
  • 00:24:31.280 --> 00:24:32.290
  • Maybe not from where everyone
  • 00:24:32.290 --> 00:24:33.250
  • sits, but from where I sit.
  • 00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:35.110
  • So, but the day will come, like
  • 00:24:35.110 --> 00:24:37.030
  • all of us, where one day the
  • 00:24:37.030 --> 00:24:39.130
  • Lord will say, "Well done, good
  • 00:24:39.130 --> 00:24:40.140
  • and faithful servant."
  • 00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:41.280
  • And maybe they'll write
  • 00:24:41.280 --> 00:24:42.190
  • something on a tombstone for
  • 00:24:42.190 --> 00:24:44.220
  • both of you.
  • 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:46.010
  • What would you like it to say?
  • 00:24:46.010 --> 00:24:48.190
  • - Matt: The idea that we
  • 00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:51.110
  • stewarded what God placed in our
  • 00:24:51.110 --> 00:24:54.100
  • hands to do and that we built
  • 00:24:54.100 --> 00:24:57.080
  • upon it.
  • 00:24:57.080 --> 00:24:58.080
  • I see into the future, channels,
  • 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.160
  • content, programming, many new
  • 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.010
  • things that we will all be very
  • 00:25:06.010 --> 00:25:08.190
  • excited about happening.
  • 00:25:08.190 --> 00:25:10.010
  • And I just don't wanna get in
  • 00:25:10.010 --> 00:25:11.050
  • the way of that, I don't want my
  • 00:25:11.050 --> 00:25:12.200
  • life to get in the way of that.
  • 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.150
  • - Laurie: So he wasn't in the
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  • way.
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  • I notice that you are obviously
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  • answered my question, but you
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