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Better Together LIVE | Episode 67

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July 7, 2020
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How can we address needed change without getting lost in pain and rage? First; identify the true source of injustice. | TBN Prayer Line: 1-888-731-1000

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Better Together LIVE | Episode 67

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  • - When we come face toface with injustice,
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  • we have a choice to make.
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  • Isaiah one verse 17 tellsus learn to do good,
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  • seek justice, helpthe oppressed.
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  • So, how can we take a standwithout letting pain, fear
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  • or rage overwhelm us?
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  • Come on, we needto talk about it.
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  • (uplifting music)
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  • - Fighting injusticeand correctingoppression is difficult
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  • you guys and it'suncomfortable and it feels hard
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  • and sometimes we justdon't wanna do it
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  • because we don't wannastep into the mess.
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  • So remember, you guys allremember in 2016 when the NFL
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  • football player Colin Kaepernick
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  • took a knee in protestsof the police brutality
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  • and it was about that the next
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  • year that my family andI were at a football
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  • game in our localcommunity out here.
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  • And my boys were in theLittle League Football League,
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  • and at this particular game,
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  • they were invited to run ontothe field with the big boys
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  • and it was superexciting for them
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  • and they just thought theywere just living their best
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  • life ever by beingon the football teamof the high school.
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  • And they had so much fun.
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  • They did all the things andthen we got home that night
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  • and we were sittingin the kitchen,
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  • my husband and Iand my two boys.
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  • Both of them are, joinedour family through adoption,
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  • and both of themhave brown skin.
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  • And we're talking and they said,
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  • but this really weirdthing happened, mom.
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  • And I was like what happened?
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  • And then they saidthat a man they knew
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  • who he was a father toone of their classmates
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  • during the national anthem,
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  • looked at my twofourth grade boys
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  • and said you to better not
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  • kneel during thenational anthem.
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  • And I remember when my boyssaid that to my husband
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  • and I in the kitchen thatI just felt the fire coming
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  • up into my ,you know, themama bear was coming out.
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  • And the mama bear was, who
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  • does he think he is talkingto my boys in this way
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  • when I wasn't there,
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  • and I don't even knowthis man's first name.
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  • And let me just tellyou guys, I was angry.
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  • I was really really angry
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  • and I would see this man atthings throughout our community.
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  • And every single time Iwould just get so angry.
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  • And I remember praying like God,
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  • I wanna speak up formy kids, number one.
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  • And I wanna speak up becausethat's just not right.
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  • The way he spoke to my children,
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  • without any contextfor knowing them.
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  • And I saw him ahandful of times.
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  • And then eventually Isaw him and I thought,
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  • I have to say something.
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  • And I knew I needed tosay something, number one,
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  • because what you did was wrong.
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  • But you guys I alsoneeded to say something
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  • because my heartwas becoming really,
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  • really hardenedtowards this man.
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  • And as a follower of Jesus,
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  • I don't want a hardenedheart towards anyone.
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  • I really don't.
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  • And so, I went andtalked to this man,
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  • and I was calm and collective.
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  • And I told him thatwhat he did was wrong.
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  • And when I left,
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  • I felt this peace inthis calm come over me.
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  • There's no reason to thinkthat I changed anything about
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  • this man's opinionabout my children
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  • or our county orcommunity or anything.
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  • Like I definitely don't thinkI went in to change his mind.
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  • But what I did was,
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  • I went in to kind of changemy heart towards him.
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  • And that verse Laurie that you
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  • read in the beginningfrom Isaiah.
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  • My ESV Version says,
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  • "Learn to do good,
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  • seek justice andcorrect oppression."
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  • And we see Jesus dothis in the scripture.
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  • We see when the Phariseesbrought the woman
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  • beforehand that havebeen caught in adultery.
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  • He didn't just dealwith her and love her
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  • and tell her to goand say no more.
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  • He dealt with theoppressors as well.
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  • And he spoke truth to them.
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  • And so, I think right now,
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  • it is really hard todeal with our spiritual
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  • hearts on this because whenwe are directly affected
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  • or our children are orfriends are our communities.
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  • Our immediate responseis anger and hatred.
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  • And there is righteousanger that is to be held.
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  • But what I learned in thatlesson of dealing with that man
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  • and my two boys is that whatI did was, I spoke about
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  • the truth I said, this wasnot okay and this was right.
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  • And God did somethingin my own heart as well
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  • and I learned that I canspeak out for what is true,
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  • even if it's difficult.
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  • And so, I don'tknow, Chris, Laurie,
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  • I don't know if you guyshave had to go through
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  • something that you're like,
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  • I just wanna seek revenge
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  • and be hatefultowards this person
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  • and how has God changedyour whole mindset and view
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  • and even the way youcommunicated about it?
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  • - Totally, I'm thinking that'salso an ongoing practice.
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  • In so many ways.
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  • You know, I grew upthe daughter of Greek
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  • immigrants in Australia.
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  • And we were, I wasthe only Greek kid,
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  • European kids in our community,
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  • which was just all likewhite Anglo Saxon Protestant.
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  • We were Greek Orthodox and Greek
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  • and so Greek ismy first language.
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  • But I remember theneighbors kids,
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  • just so ridiculing me, callingme a whole lot of names.
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  • Because we were thosepeople, like so those people
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  • and so they wouldgraffiti over our house.
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  • Go back to your own country.
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  • I'm like I was born here.
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  • And you know, justreally negative.
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  • And I remember in my mindas a kid kinda making silent
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  • vows, you know, I've gotan English degree now.
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  • I'm sure part of that wasthat I was so ridiculed
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  • as a kid because of my accent.
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  • And the way that Ispoke that I was like,
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  • Oh no.
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  • I'm gonna speak Englishbetter than you all
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  • so that I willnever be ridiculed.
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  • Now.
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  • You know, there's two sidesto that there's kind of like,
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  • I'm gonna go but it startedto do something to my heart,
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  • big time.
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  • And, you know,
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  • you add to that comingfrom a background of abuse
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  • and abandonment, when I wasborn, and then adoption.
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  • There was a lot ofpain going on in me.
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  • So, there was that rejection.
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  • There was abuse, there wasand so I was headed for a very
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  • angry life and avery kind of like,
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  • I'm gonna get back ateveryone because of the hurt.
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  • And I'm saying thisbecause people know
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  • what I do with A21 and whatI do around the world now.
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  • What I'm saying if Icontinually don't allow the Holy
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  • Spirit to deal with my heart,
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  • I have to be careful thatI'm not lashing out of anger
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  • or woundedness, as opposedto 'cause real change
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  • and transformation comeswhen I can stand strongly
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  • and call out injustice, andstand for righteousness,
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  • but it's coming froma place of wholeness.
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  • And so it's received even
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  • differently in theway that I do it.
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  • And then I'm not looking toget back from somebody what
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  • actually, I'll onlyget from Jesus,
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  • my ultimate healingand wholeness.
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  • There are some things thatpeople are never gonna make
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  • right in my life becauseit just is the way it is.
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  • So, what I wanna say to ourTBN family is, as we go through
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  • this, sometimes youthink, well, you know,
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  • they're just callingthis thing out,
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  • I've never had todeal with that.
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  • And that's not what'sreally in my heart
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  • and we do one of two things.
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  • We either go and hidemore into our communities
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  • where I never haveto deal with anything
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  • rather than goinghang on a minute.
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  • This is on God's heart, andperhaps I can bring some
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  • health and healing and wholeness
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  • and those of us that aremore mature Christians
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  • and have been walkingwith the Lord for longer.
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  • And hopefully have gotthe fruit of the Spirit
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  • developing in our own lives.
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  • This is not something to fear.
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  • This is what I'm trying to saythat we as Christ followers,
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  • more than anybody ought towant everybody to thrive
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  • and everybody to flourish.
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  • So, we've got to askourselves a question.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - If this is causing meto kind of freak out.
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  • Either how small is your God,that you would think somebody
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  • else having the fullnessof God is gonna in any way
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  • take away from what you've got?
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  • I don't even get that.
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  • That's like, ourGod's too small.
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  • We think that Godis like a river
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  • there is enough to goaround for everybody.
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  • So, ask yourself.
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  • - Amen.
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  • - How small is God ifthere's a fear in me
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  • somehow that if I go there,and it's great to ask
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  • those questionsand then go, okay,
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  • I know I can't do everything.
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  • I know.
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  • I know I don't know everything.
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  • But where do I maybe needsome healing in my own life
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  • that's gonna help me respond?
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  • Because the more healed andwhole we are, the less we react
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  • out of an unrighteous angerand the more we respond
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  • out of a righteous anger,which is be angry, but sin not.
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  • So, you can't if youare not being stirred
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  • by what's going on,going this is just like
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  • enough is enough.
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  • I don't know how butwe've got to move forward.
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  • Then you've got to ask yourself
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  • what's going onin your own heart.
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  • And I think I likedDianna yesterday
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  • talked about the Lord'shad us all in one place.
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  • I normally am in and out.
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  • I do 300 Hotel nights a year.
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  • So, I'm in and out of, we'vegot offices in 20 countries.
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  • So, I'm not even inAmerica that much.
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  • The Lord made sure thatI've been here for a solid
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  • four months where Icouldn't go anywhere.
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  • And I had to see it.
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  • So, I felt it in a way Ihaven't felt it before.
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  • And I run ananti-slavery organization
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  • which caused me to goall right Chris Caine,
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  • let's go dig a bit deeper.
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  • What's going on inyou in this moment
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  • and how can you then allowthe Holy Spirit to do what
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  • needs to be dealt with sothat you out of a place,
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  • a stronger place ofmaturity, can speak out
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  • against injustice and helpto move things forward?
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  • So I think Dianna, Iknow you've got pain
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  • and brokenness in yourown background as well.
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  • So, it's easy sometimesto respond out of wounds
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  • and not wisdom.
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  • And that doesn'tnecessarily help I think.
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  • - And you're so right.
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  • I think for many of us,especially, you know, I still
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  • identify with you pastorChris with your story.
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  • And that's why I sensethe connection with you,
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  • because I understandwhat oppression
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  • what red flags when thosered flags are raised,
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  • someone talks you outof those red flags.
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  • The abused, meaning thereis a structure of feelings.
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  • Things that happened inthe aftermath of when
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  • a person is abused.
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  • You get angry, yougrieve the loss.
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  • You go through all of thedetox of the emotional weight.
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  • And so when youtalk about abuse,
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  • put that grid
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  • now in walking in theAfrican American experience.
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  • When someone has been abused,
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  • the feeling of oppression.
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  • When they have been ignored,
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  • and now we're seeingyou know, the cry,
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  • the outcry of peoplein the streets.
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  • And so to turn a blind eyeand tell them you know what,
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  • there's no oppressor.
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  • There's no one there.
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  • It's such, it hits on achord with people like
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  • are you saying thatyou don't believe me?
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  • Are you saying that Idon't, I'm not abused,
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  • that I'm not hurt.I'm not wounded?
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  • You don't see what'shappening to me?
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  • And so, I identifywith those symptoms.
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  • I identify with thepain and the hurt.
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  • And so, it's so interestingthat you were talking
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  • about certain scriptures,but also what I've,
  • 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.083
  • you know, doveinto the other day
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  • about the feelings that happenwhen we have been oppressed.
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  • And if we can justas a TBN community
  • 00:11:51.356 --> 00:11:54.025
  • look at Proverbschapter 21, verse 15,
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  • and it says this, andit's such an interesting
  • 00:11:57.495 --> 00:11:59.998
  • short little nugget scripture.
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  • It says, "Justice isa joy to the godly,
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  • but it terrifies the evildoers."
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  • It is interesting how now
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  • as a community,
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  • that we're beginning to see
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  • that there's anoutcry for justice.
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  • But when people see areon high alert of what
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  • God is doing, they resistthe hand of God of what He's
  • 00:12:23.988 --> 00:12:28.293
  • trying to do, whichis to heal this root.
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  • To uproot this tree that hasbeen demonic, anti Christ,
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  • anti sentiment of people,people groups, anti human,
  • 00:12:37.468 --> 00:12:41.072
  • just very notgodly, anti Christ.
  • 00:12:42.173 --> 00:12:45.343
  • And as we are kind ofwalking in these spaces.
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  • When we talk about revenge.
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  • When we talk about,
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  • you know, beingwhole and healed.
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  • I think for myself,
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  • I have to make sure especially
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  • when I'm guiding people throughreconciliation, restoration.
  • 00:12:59.958 --> 00:13:04.395
  • When I'm guiding through people,
  • 00:13:04.395 --> 00:13:06.030
  • because there have been hurtson the side of the church,
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  • and also on the side of people.
  • 00:13:08.833 --> 00:13:10.368
  • I have been, you know, raciallyprofiled in other countries.
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  • I have, either I'm a terrorist
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  • or I'm a drug dealer, you know.
  • 00:13:17.609 --> 00:13:19.177
  • And so all of these insults,
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  • I can easily buryin my own heart
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  • and have an angeran out lash people
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  • and I would haveit, rightfully so.
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  • However, I'm called tothe purposes of God,
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  • in the middle of all of this.
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  • So, when I walkthrough restoration,
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  • I have to make sure that Idon't have a polluted spirit
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  • when I minister to people.
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  • When we have white peopleand African American people,
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  • Latino people andAsian people groups.
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  • Asian people groups inCalifornia, they were in cages.
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  • Now the people that look
  • 00:13:50.341 --> 00:13:51.809
  • like me are in cagesin the southern
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  • border of the United States.
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  • You have to understandthere is history.
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  • There is a record ofmistrust, distrust, abuse,
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  • and I can't be naive tothink that everyone loves me.
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  • I'm not everyone's flavor.
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  • I understand that, I'mnot everyone's favorite.
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  • I understand that.
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  • I believe people have anodd against my people group.
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  • And so, when Iminister, I have to make
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  • sure that I don't movein rooms and spaces,
  • 00:14:20.204 --> 00:14:24.342
  • rooms that I'm, that stuffbegins to put a hook in me
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  • and the enemy begins to pullon those vulnerabilities.
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  • Does that make sense?
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  • And so, now when I move,
  • 00:14:32.884 --> 00:14:35.853
  • I have to make surethat I minister
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  • and I pierce through
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  • all the noise of therhetoric in their minds,
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  • the walls, the Egyptian brickson people's mentalities.
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  • And one by one,
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  • I begin to remove thosethings by preaching
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  • it across the pulpit,
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  • by modeling in my leadership,
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  • by making sure that Iraise my children to see
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  • and to experience thesame multicultural
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  • experience that I experienced.
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  • Because then wehave value for what?
  • 00:15:00.278 --> 00:15:02.780
  • we have value for other people.
  • 00:15:02.780 --> 00:15:05.550
  • And it's so importantas a ministress,
  • 00:15:05.550 --> 00:15:07.986
  • especially the voicewithin the church,
  • 00:15:07.986 --> 00:15:10.588
  • that we begin to build bridges
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  • and not build bridges with hurt
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  • but build bridges with healing.
  • 00:15:14.959 --> 00:15:16.928
  • And that's so important right
  • 00:15:16.928 --> 00:15:18.363
  • now in the 21st century church.
  • 00:15:18.363 --> 00:15:20.264
  • - And I think as you're talking
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  • about Dianna building bridges.
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  • I think one of themost important thingsin this as we're,
  • 00:15:25.703 --> 00:15:28.973
  • you know, talking aboutthis is for us to approach
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  • this in a manner wherewe're able to empathize
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  • and I think empathyis so critical here.
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  • And so one of the things
  • 00:15:39.617 --> 00:15:40.985
  • we talk about in ourorganization as we're leading
  • 00:15:40.985 --> 00:15:43.321
  • people in this, is to make
  • 00:15:43.321 --> 00:15:45.056
  • sure that people are startingwith this posture of humility.
  • 00:15:45.056 --> 00:15:48.960
  • And then when you start withthis posture of humility,
  • 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.396
  • you're starting inthis way of listening,
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  • and learning because wedon't know all of everything.
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  • We don't know all ofthis, we don't know,
  • 00:16:00.138 --> 00:16:02.273
  • sometimes where to intercept,when to say something,
  • 00:16:02.273 --> 00:16:04.142
  • or when not to say something.
  • 00:16:04.142 --> 00:16:06.010
  • There's a lot happening.
  • 00:16:06.010 --> 00:16:07.745
  • So, it's really imperativethat as we're listening
  • 00:16:07.745 --> 00:16:11.115
  • and learning,
  • 00:16:11.115 --> 00:16:12.617
  • we're educating ourselveson this that we're talking,
  • 00:16:12.617 --> 00:16:15.086
  • we're in proximitywith people of color.
  • 00:16:15.086 --> 00:16:18.790
  • But not just being a proximity
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  • because we can be inproximity with people of color
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  • and not learn anything.
  • 00:16:23.461 --> 00:16:24.962
  • And we see that and we'veseen that historically,
  • 00:16:24.962 --> 00:16:27.565
  • but we want to be inproximity with people
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  • so that we're able to lean in,
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  • and allow us totell us our story,
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  • because listen, ourexperiences are not universal.
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  • Okay.
  • 00:16:39.544 --> 00:16:41.045
  • And as African-American, myexperience is not monolithic.
  • 00:16:41.045 --> 00:16:44.015
  • So, just because you know oneblack person does not mean
  • 00:16:44.015 --> 00:16:46.751
  • you know, all of us.
  • 00:16:46.751 --> 00:16:48.186
  • And so I think it'simportant for us to listen
  • 00:16:48.186 --> 00:16:50.121
  • to these stories,these diverse stories
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  • and how we were brought up.
  • 00:16:53.124 --> 00:16:54.492
  • And I just remember whenwe talked about empathy
  • 00:16:54.492 --> 00:16:57.195
  • and being able to listento learn and to lament
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  • and understand what that means.
  • 00:17:00.998 --> 00:17:03.701
  • I think about this story.
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  • When I was on staff at church
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  • and I was at a basketball game
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  • and I was just sitting therejust minding my own business.
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  • And I remember thiscouple came up to me
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  • and they started talking to me.
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  • And I started the way theywere asking questions,
  • 00:17:16.981 --> 00:17:19.584
  • I knew that they weretrying to figure out
  • 00:17:19.584 --> 00:17:21.652
  • what type of AfricanAmerican is she?
  • 00:17:21.652 --> 00:17:25.056
  • And that's a deeperconversation.
  • 00:17:25.056 --> 00:17:27.291
  • When but weunderstand that like,
  • 00:17:27.291 --> 00:17:29.594
  • they were asking mecertain questions.
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  • And I knew that theywere trying to figure out
  • 00:17:31.863 --> 00:17:34.398
  • what type of AfricanAmerican was I.
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  • Was I a safe person?
  • 00:17:37.401 --> 00:17:39.170
  • Did I think like them?
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  • Was I assimilated or what?
  • 00:17:40.338 --> 00:17:42.807
  • And so the way they wereposing the questions,
  • 00:17:42.807 --> 00:17:45.176
  • but I remember inthat moment, you know,
  • 00:17:45.176 --> 00:17:48.379
  • when she was talking to me.
  • 00:17:48.379 --> 00:17:49.614
  • We started talkingabout desegregation.
  • 00:17:49.614 --> 00:17:51.616
  • And she started talking abouther experiences in Austin.
  • 00:17:51.616 --> 00:17:55.386
  • And I started sharing someexperiences of my father.
  • 00:17:55.386 --> 00:17:58.923
  • But then in the midstof that, she got all
  • 00:17:58.923 --> 00:18:00.858
  • talking about Abraham Lincoln.
  • 00:18:00.858 --> 00:18:02.527
  • And I remember as she wastalking about Abraham Lincoln,
  • 00:18:02.527 --> 00:18:05.429
  • I'm thinking, where isthis conversation going?
  • 00:18:05.429 --> 00:18:08.065
  • Where is this going?
  • 00:18:08.065 --> 00:18:09.000
  • And I wanna get out.
  • 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.268
  • I wanna get out ofthis conversation.
  • 00:18:10.268 --> 00:18:11.903
  • But as she continue,
  • 00:18:11.903 --> 00:18:13.437
  • and as I listened inthis conversation,
  • 00:18:13.437 --> 00:18:15.840
  • she said, because peoplelove their slaves.
  • 00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:18.442
  • And I remember thinking, like,
  • 00:18:18.442 --> 00:18:20.545
  • did she just say that to me?
  • 00:18:20.545 --> 00:18:22.747
  • Like?
  • 00:18:22.747 --> 00:18:24.048
  • And in that moment,
  • 00:18:24.048 --> 00:18:25.783
  • I'm trying to figureout how do I react
  • 00:18:25.783 --> 00:18:29.820
  • because everythingin me in that moment,
  • 00:18:29.820 --> 00:18:32.423
  • wanted to flip thetable like, what?
  • 00:18:32.423 --> 00:18:35.326
  • Why would she say that like,
  • 00:18:35.326 --> 00:18:37.228
  • but then remembering
  • 00:18:37.228 --> 00:18:38.462
  • that we are educatedin different systems.
  • 00:18:38.462 --> 00:18:40.965
  • And so some of youare listening to this
  • 00:18:40.965 --> 00:18:43.634
  • and you probably mayagree with that statement.
  • 00:18:43.634 --> 00:18:46.504
  • But we've been taughtthis romanticizedview of our history,
  • 00:18:46.504 --> 00:18:49.941
  • we've been desensitizedto the painful history
  • 00:18:49.941 --> 00:18:54.545
  • and the suffering ofpeople in this country.
  • 00:18:54.545 --> 00:18:57.248
  • And specifically,
  • 00:18:57.248 --> 00:18:58.683
  • I'm speaking from AfricanAmerican experience,
  • 00:18:58.683 --> 00:19:00.518
  • we've been taught arevisionist history.
  • 00:19:00.518 --> 00:19:02.987
  • And it's important that inour process of learning,
  • 00:19:02.987 --> 00:19:07.491
  • that we do some unlearning.
  • 00:19:07.491 --> 00:19:09.894
  • And we have to guardthis what we're talking
  • 00:19:09.894 --> 00:19:13.531
  • about, in truth.
  • 00:19:13.531 --> 00:19:14.832
  • Truth is so important.
  • 00:19:14.832 --> 00:19:16.601
  • And we know scripture tellsus that it's the truth
  • 00:19:16.601 --> 00:19:19.303
  • that makes us free,that it sets us free.
  • 00:19:19.303 --> 00:19:22.173
  • And then even in Ephesians,
  • 00:19:22.173 --> 00:19:23.407
  • it tells us to puton the belt of truth,
  • 00:19:23.407 --> 00:19:26.477
  • because if we think about that,
  • 00:19:26.477 --> 00:19:28.079
  • if, you know, apart of the armor.
  • 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.381
  • We don't guardourselves with truth.
  • 00:19:30.381 --> 00:19:33.484
  • And you know, we know thatthe armor will fall off
  • 00:19:33.484 --> 00:19:36.287
  • the belt is what holdseverything in place.
  • 00:19:36.287 --> 00:19:38.923
  • So, it's important that inthat posture of humility,
  • 00:19:38.923 --> 00:19:41.926
  • as we're approachingthis conversation,
  • 00:19:41.926 --> 00:19:44.061
  • that we are approachingthis with truth,
  • 00:19:44.061 --> 00:19:47.098
  • and with empathy andwith understanding
  • 00:19:47.098 --> 00:19:49.867
  • and as the same gracethat I get gave to her
  • 00:19:49.867 --> 00:19:53.571
  • as an African American,
  • 00:19:53.571 --> 00:19:55.039
  • and how I responded tothat question is the same
  • 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.743
  • grace that we need to seeas it reflects in our anger,
  • 00:19:58.743 --> 00:20:03.681
  • and in our pain.
  • 00:20:03.681 --> 00:20:05.182
  • We want you to sitwith us, you know,
  • 00:20:05.182 --> 00:20:07.451
  • the scripture tellsus to, you know,
  • 00:20:07.451 --> 00:20:09.854
  • when one part ofthe body suffers,
  • 00:20:09.854 --> 00:20:12.456
  • we all suffer with it.
  • 00:20:12.456 --> 00:20:13.958
  • And I think it's importantfor us to look at this moment
  • 00:20:13.958 --> 00:20:16.994
  • right now, and tosee what's happening.
  • 00:20:16.994 --> 00:20:19.530
  • The anger and the pain.
  • 00:20:19.530 --> 00:20:21.399
  • I know it's uncomfortable,
  • 00:20:21.399 --> 00:20:23.234
  • but don't try to explain it out.
  • 00:20:23.234 --> 00:20:26.003
  • Don't try to downcast it,
  • 00:20:26.003 --> 00:20:27.705
  • don't try to erase it,
  • 00:20:27.705 --> 00:20:30.141
  • because sometimes wehave to have empathy
  • 00:20:30.141 --> 00:20:32.410
  • and say, you know what.
  • 00:20:32.410 --> 00:20:33.244
  • I know this is painful.
  • 00:20:33.244 --> 00:20:35.079
  • I don't understand it.
  • 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:36.247
  • It's not my experience,but I'm listening.
  • 00:20:36.247 --> 00:20:38.716
  • I hear you.
  • 00:20:38.716 --> 00:20:40.284
  • I see you.
  • 00:20:40.284 --> 00:20:41.585
  • I'm going to commit to learning.
  • 00:20:41.585 --> 00:20:43.521
  • And I think that's importantin this and understanding
  • 00:20:43.521 --> 00:20:47.124
  • that we just like asa white community,
  • 00:20:47.124 --> 00:20:51.662
  • just like as a AfricanAmerican community,
  • 00:20:51.662 --> 00:20:54.065
  • the Latino community, theAsian American community.
  • 00:20:54.065 --> 00:20:56.767
  • We are all differentwithin our communities.
  • 00:20:56.767 --> 00:20:59.470
  • We're not monolithic.
  • 00:20:59.470 --> 00:21:01.072
  • We have different stories,
  • 00:21:01.072 --> 00:21:02.773
  • and we have differenttrauma stories.
  • 00:21:02.773 --> 00:21:05.176
  • We are dealing with a community
  • 00:21:05.176 --> 00:21:07.311
  • that has generational trauma.
  • 00:21:07.311 --> 00:21:10.414
  • What has happened inthe past has impacted
  • 00:21:10.414 --> 00:21:13.584
  • what we're seeing right now.
  • 00:21:13.584 --> 00:21:16.187
  • And so I'm back-in you
  • 00:21:16.187 --> 00:21:17.688
  • as you're listening to us isto empathize to lament with us.
  • 00:21:17.688 --> 00:21:22.693
  • To back-in God, tobring about change.
  • 00:21:23.894 --> 00:21:26.630
  • To seek God to bring aboutchange and transform lives.
  • 00:21:26.630 --> 00:21:30.401
  • And I think that's the thing.
  • 00:21:30.401 --> 00:21:31.869
  • That's the posture that we haveto have in this conversation
  • 00:21:31.869 --> 00:21:35.573
  • when we don't know anything.
  • 00:21:35.573 --> 00:21:37.475
  • The next thing to do is wecan listen, we can learn
  • 00:21:37.475 --> 00:21:41.946
  • and unlearn, and we can lament.
  • 00:21:41.946 --> 00:21:44.215
  • And that's vital and thisconversation right now.
  • 00:21:44.215 --> 00:21:46.751
  • - That's so good.
  • 00:21:48.486 --> 00:21:49.954
  • And I think that you know,Tasha you've taught me
  • 00:21:49.954 --> 00:21:51.722
  • personally as a friend forall these years about empathy
  • 00:21:51.722 --> 00:21:54.658
  • and lamenting in thisparticular sin of racism.
  • 00:21:54.658 --> 00:21:59.430
  • And you know, a lot of peoplewill say, like, you know,
  • 00:21:59.430 --> 00:22:02.366
  • we need to deal with this.
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  • It's a heart issue,
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  • because this is, youknow, about racism
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  • and then we need todeal with our heart
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  • and then everythingis gonna be better.
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  • And while it is true,
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  • that you know thatracism is a sin,
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  • and that we do need todeal with our hearts,
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  • all of us, everybodyon this program,
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  • everybody that's watching us.
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  • All of us are sinners.
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  • It is just what wedo best you guys,
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  • and Jesus came tomake that right,
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  • but we all haveto deal with that.
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  • But what we're seeing now
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  • and what we're talking aboutis this is a spiritual fight
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  • and we talked aboutthis yesterday.
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  • That our churches
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  • need to be leading theconversations in this.
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  • We need to be the headlightsin this conversation,
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  • like Tasha said yesterday.
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  • But when we're talking aboutdealing with injustice,
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  • that becomes not justa heart issue anymore.
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  • That becomes a a justiceissue and a political issue
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  • and a legal issue.
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  • When we start dealingwith people acting
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  • out on that heartissue of racism.
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  • Tasha, I remember a coupleof years ago when you
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  • and I sat in a room atthe African American
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  • Heritage culture centerhere in Austin, Texas,
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  • and we sat and we wentthrough the bridge program
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  • and I will never forgetthe day that you asked
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  • everybody in that roomto share an experience
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  • that they have hadwith injustice andracism against them.
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  • And I would, I'm gonna guesshere that there were five
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  • black women and fourwhite women in that room.
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  • That's kind of the ratio that we
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  • were dealing with and aHispanic woman and Asian woman.
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  • And Tasha I'll never forgetthat that circle went around.
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  • And I had nothing to say.
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  • And my other friend,Jenny had nothing to say.
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  • And my other friendJessica had nothing to say
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  • and other friend Beccahad nothing to say.
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  • And we had to sit
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  • there in the uncomfortablenessof all of our black sisters
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  • telling us what theyhad been through.
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  • And I cannot tell you howdifficult that lamenting was.
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  • I cannot tell you howmuch I wanted to get out
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  • and leave that room becauseI did not like the way
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  • it was making me feel.
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  • But what that did for my friends
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  • and I that were in thatroom that were white is we
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  • were able to listen
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  • and we were able tohear the experiences
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  • that you went through.
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  • And that is howwe learn empathy.
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  • That is how we lament.
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  • And that is how we'regoing to be see changes
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  • within the church is when wesit in the uncomfortableness.
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  • We listen to oursisters of color.
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  • We listen to their experiences,all of them different,
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  • like you said, and then wesay I'm sorry, and we listen
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  • and we relearn and we change,and we take action with this.
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  • And so, I am thankfulfor the conversations.
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  • I'm thankful for the churchesthat are having conversations
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  • about how we do need to dealwith our hearts in this matter,
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  • because there is sin that isrotting the souls of people
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  • because they're not willingto deal with what's happening.
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  • And so, I'm gonna pray for us.
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  • I'm gonna pray that Godwould do a work in all of our
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  • lives, the five of us,
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  • the thousands of you thatare watching as well.
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  • God, we ask that you dowhat only you can do.
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  • You are the only one whocan change our hearts.
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  • We pray for our churches.
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  • We pray for our leaders.
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  • God would you pointout our blind spots?
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  • God would you help us identifywhere we need to change?
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  • God would you help us identifywhere we need to apologize?
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  • Where we need to lament?
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  • God would you helphelp us grow in empathy
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  • as we sit and we listenwith our brothers
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  • and sisters of color.
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  • God would you do a work inus that only you can do?
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  • Man are we thankful for Jesus.
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  • We are thankful thatyou did not leave us
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  • here in our sin but yousent a savior for us.
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  • So, God I asked thatif anyone is watching
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  • and they are convicted,that God they will cry
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  • out to the one the only onethat can change our hearts
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  • and that is Jesus Christ.
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  • We pray all this in His name.
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  • Amen.
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  • - Amen.
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  • Praise the Lord.
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  • Our Better Together communityis always here for you.
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  • You know to model the change
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  • that we wanna see inthe world we must first
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  • examine our own hearts.
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  • Are we ready to let Godidentify our blind spots?
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  • You do not want to missthe conversation tomorrow.
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  • We will all see you then.
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  • God bless you.
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  • Love you all.
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