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  • - Change matters, todaywe're tackling hard questions
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  • about racial injusticehere at Better Together.
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  • We learn by listening
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  • and having vulnerableconversations
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  • with our dearest friends.
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  • Come on join us.
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  • (bright music)
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  • - Change does matter so much,
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  • and we're right now in a time
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  • in our culture and ourcountry where we're trying
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  • to talk about change.
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  • We're trying tochange our own hearts.
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  • We're trying to look forchange within our churches.
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  • We're trying to look forchanges within our country.
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  • And you know, onething that I know
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  • is throughout thehistory of the world
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  • throughout the history of time,
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  • since God created therehas been oppression
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  • and there has been racism,
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  • and we've seen itsince we have time
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  • since sin entered our world.
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  • And right now we're seeing
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  • and talking a lot aboutblack people in our country
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  • and the racism andoppression that
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  • they are experiencing.
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  • And so Tasha, Iwanna start the show
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  • and just ask you a question is
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  • you know, a lot of peoplehave experienced racism
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  • and oppression in our country.
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  • What is some historicalcontext that helps us see
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  • why the discussionis so much right now
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  • about black peoplein our country?
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  • - Yeah I think that'sa great question.
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  • And I know a lot of peopleare asking that question now,
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  • but we have to lookat historical context
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  • and that's importantto this conversation.
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  • We have to realizethat you know,
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  • black people, AfricanAmericans alone,
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  • we were the only groupthat was denied education,
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  • completely stripped of language,
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  • completely stripped of culture,
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  • and completelystripped up a place.
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  • And so when we look at that
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  • and how we intersect into the
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  • American story isvery different.
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  • And so a lot of the systems
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  • of oppression were formedaround black bodies.
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  • And so that's why you know.
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  • the story of theAfrican American
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  • in our country is so important
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  • and so valid right now.
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  • - You know I love that Latasha
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  • I'm from Australia,
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  • and so I've had to undergo
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  • education process because,
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  • you know, I know I'mmaking a joke because
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  • I say sometimes Americans think
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  • we all just learn about America
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  • and every country of the world,
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  • but we really don't.
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  • And so you know, wehave our own education
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  • and whatever.
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  • But I moved here
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  • and my kids aregoing to school here.
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  • And so I began myown journey here.
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  • I am leading A21helping to rescue
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  • the victims of human trafficking
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  • and wanting to abolishslavery everywhere forever
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  • and then stepped into thisAmerican context where
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  • I thought that slaveryhad been abolished
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  • and of course legally,technically it had.
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  • And then I discovered thereality of what it is to live
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  • in a world where technicallyslavery has been abolished,
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  • but there is just so muchsystemic residue of what was
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  • established.
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  • And we live in now.
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  • And I want to just say a story.
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  • I remember that I spoke atBishop Jakes' women's conference
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  • a few years ago.
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  • And I stood up and Ilove all my sisters
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  • and women that wereloosed at the end,
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  • this was a time whereit really hit me
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  • because there were you know,
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  • maybe 30.000 people in the room.
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  • And I was one of only a handful
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  • of white women in that room.
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  • And which instantlythe very fact that
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  • I kind of noticed,made me realize, wow!
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  • This is what a lot ofmy sisters feel like
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  • in a lot of oursettings all the time.
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  • But after I had finishedgiving my sermon,
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  • I just remember thatBishop Jakes got up
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  • and he used this phrase
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  • and it was entirelycomplimentary,
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  • but he was like aboutto talk to all the women
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  • about what the Lord haddone during the sermon.
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  • And he said, he startedwith this phrase.
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  • Sometimes God uses peoplefrom a different race too.
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  • And then he continued.
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  • And I just rememberthat I stopped for it
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  • cause it was thefirst time in my life.
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  • So here I am Greek Australian
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  • coming to American that Ihad heard in a sentence.
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  • Sometimes God uses someonefrom a different race.
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  • It began me on ajourney to go, wow!
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  • Okay, why did you feeluncomfortable with that Chris?
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  • Cause I think in my thinking,
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  • I had always sort of thought,
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  • okay, here's the human race.
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  • We are all one race.
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  • Why are we havingthese race discussions?
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  • And I think it is so important.
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  • I think that was thebeginning of my journey
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  • of saying Chris,
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  • you had a lot to learnabout what has happened
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  • in America about race andwhat all of this means.
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  • And I think a lot of people,
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  • Dianna or I'm notsure if you notice
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  • right now are just kind of
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  • asking the same thing.
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  • Why are we havingrace discussions?
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  • And isn't there justthis human race?
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  • - I think from the perspectiveof white Americans,
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  • that has always been the case.
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  • There's a desensitized views
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  • of how we approachour fellow man
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  • and pastor Chris Iunderstand your place
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  • in the body of Christ,
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  • but I also understand Latasha'splace in the body of Christ.
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  • And so to put it in a nutshellto kind of like bring it
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  • home, especially fromthe voice of the church,
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  • with my own story, mymom was an immigrant
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  • coming into a country.
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  • And so when I was born here,
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  • when I was raisedhere in the Bay area,
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  • especially SanFrancisco Bay area,
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  • I bought into the ideathat it is a melting pot.
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  • I grew up in that mentality.
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  • I grew up in amulticultural experience.
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  • I am Afro Latina.
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  • I am a family ofdifferent generations,
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  • cultures blendedinto our family line.
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  • And so when I was raisedin a public school setting
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  • and we actually drank the juice
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  • on the cool aid of whatthey were telling us,
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  • as soon as I leftCalifornia as now an adult,
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  • I realized my multiculturalview and perspective
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  • is not commonlyshared across the U.S,
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  • if that makes sense.
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  • So what I'm trying to say is,
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  • even though in my community,
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  • extremely diverse,
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  • extremely multiculturalall across the board,
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  • we still as now adults,
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  • me especially now avoice in the church.
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  • Now, the language of red lining,
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  • inability to get loans,
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  • different aspects ofeven our community,
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  • which was basically formedfor African American people,
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  • Japanese people,
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  • Latino people,
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  • and we were segregatedaway and the population was
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  • segregated away fromwhat you would consider
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  • a high producing communities,
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  • meaning wealthy communities,
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  • such as Walnut Creek,
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  • which is an affluent area.
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  • And you can see now,
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  • now grown up withgrownup vision.
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  • You see some of the spacesthat we are walking in as a
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  • community.
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  • This topic is really the residueof like what we have spoken
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  • before the residueof American culture,
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  • which is we have oppressed,
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  • and that's why I say ason behalf of the church,
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  • black lives must matter becauseall same roads lead to here
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  • black lives must matter because
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  • it affects not only black lives,
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  • but it affects every minoritygroup within the U.S.
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  • If we don't see the value
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  • of African Americanpeople groups within
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  • the U.S, it impactsme as a Latina.
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  • It impacts me as a woman.
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  • It impacts me as a partof the minority groups
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  • within the U.S.
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  • And so Latasha, Iwanna hear more of
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  • like your perspective when you
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  • are, especiallywith bridge building
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  • and conversing with other
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  • people that don't alwaysshare the same views.
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  • How can we lead into theseaspects of conversations
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  • and threads where theconversation doesn't stop?
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  • - Right I think the first thingwe have to realize is that,
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  • you know thisconversation is hard.
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  • It's difficult, there'sa lot of discomfort
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  • that comes from this.
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  • I know some people areeven watching this now
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  • and you like themention of race,
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  • you know, you'revery uncomfortable.
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  • Our society has conditionedus to have that response.
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  • Some of us grew up talkingabout race because we had to,
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  • because we live in aracialized society.
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  • And so everything risesand falls on that,
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  • on this structure, you know,
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  • there would be no blacknessif there was no whiteness,
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  • we have to understand thatthat is a social and also a
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  • political construct.
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  • But this doesn't mean alot of times people say,
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  • we are one in Christ, there'sneither Jew nor Gentile.
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  • You know, we're allone that is true,
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  • but we don't, when we starttalking about ethnicity,
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  • ethnicity isdifferent from race.
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  • And I think that's importantfor us to establish
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  • that foundation.
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  • Ethnicity speaks ofnations and tribes.
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  • And we see thatthroughout scripture.
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  • That's what it knows means,
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  • we need to understand that,
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  • but understand the brokennessof the system of race
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  • is the system thatwe've been given.
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  • We can't take thisapproach and say,
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  • well, you know what?
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  • All lives matter.
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  • That's like a colorblind approach
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  • and we don't wannabe color blind.
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  • We wanna be color caring.
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  • We wanna be color brave.
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  • We wanna see color andactually that's a lie.
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  • When you say when youlook at this screen
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  • and you do not see this
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  • chocolate sister sitting here,
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  • I know that you see me,
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  • and so we wanna startthis work with truth.
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  • It has to be embodied by truth,
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  • understanding thatthere is no tribe
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  • or nation that canreally represent,
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  • there's not one tribe or nation
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  • that can represent thetotality of who God is.
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  • It takes every tribeand every nation.
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  • So we must see each other.
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  • And I'm just reminded of justthis incident that happened.
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  • I was in a store.
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  • And this little girlwas looking at me
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  • and she was just lookingat me like strange,
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  • like you know at four years old,
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  • you don't know whatthey're going to say.
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  • And she was looking at me
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  • and I just rememberlike oh my goodness,
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  • what is about to comeout from her mouth?
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  • And she looked atme and she said,
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  • "look mom she's chocolate."
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  • And I looked at herand her mom turned red.
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  • And I just said, yes, yes.You know, I'm chocolate.
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  • Her mom said,
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  • "I'm teaching her about color."
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  • And so in the midst of that,
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  • I said no don'tworry, and she said,
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  • "and I'm vanilla"
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  • And I said, I love vanilla.
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  • Don't you love chocolate?
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  • And she said,
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  • "I love chocolate."
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  • And I was like yes,
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  • we have to teach our kidsto see the differences
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  • and acknowledge the differences
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  • and know that God created these
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  • differences that neither tribe
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  • can represent all of who God is.
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  • Diversity is a beautiful thing.
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  • And we see this fromGenesis to Revelation.
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  • So it's up to usto embrace that.
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  • So I challenge you, you know,
  • 00:11:48.097 --> 00:11:50.065
  • those of you whoare hearing this
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  • in order for our kids to
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  • understand thatblack lives matter,
  • 00:11:53.002 --> 00:11:55.371
  • we have to teach them thatthe differences are not bad.
  • 00:11:55.371 --> 00:11:59.775
  • They're not negative, you know,
  • 00:11:59.775 --> 00:12:01.777
  • and we have to teachthem some narratives
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  • that glorify and thatuplift God in creation
  • 00:12:05.548 --> 00:12:09.652
  • and all of this.
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  • So I think that's reallyimportant in all of this so.
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  • - I love that so much Tasha
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  • and I can admit here that
  • 00:12:16.091 --> 00:12:18.060
  • there was a seasonearly in my life
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  • where I would havesaid the same thing.
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  • I don't see color.
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  • I just see everybodyis the same.
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  • And looking back,
  • 00:12:23.732 --> 00:12:25.234
  • I can see the ignorance atthat would have been from me.
  • 00:12:25.234 --> 00:12:27.469
  • And I had to learn that.
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  • And that's one of the reasonsI love this conversation
  • 00:12:28.938 --> 00:12:31.073
  • that we're having today isbecause all of us are coming
  • 00:12:31.073 --> 00:12:32.942
  • here saying hey we'relearners, we're all learning.
  • 00:12:32.942 --> 00:12:36.145
  • We're all listening.
  • 00:12:36.145 --> 00:12:37.379
  • And we're all trying tohelp each other grow.
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  • I think so many times
  • 00:12:39.982 --> 00:12:41.483
  • we can say things withthe best intentions.
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  • Like, I don't thinkthe majority of people
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  • who would say, wellI don't see color.
  • 00:12:47.089 --> 00:12:49.558
  • I honestly don't thinktheir motives are wrong.
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  • Like I think they'retrying to express
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  • in the best waythey know possible
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  • that I love everybody.
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  • And so I'm grateful to Tashathat you walked us through the
  • 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:01.437
  • difference in that and whyit's important to see everyone
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  • and where they come fromand that it matters their
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  • ethnicity.
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  • I remember I have three ofmy children joined our family
  • 00:13:07.877 --> 00:13:09.945
  • through adoption.
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  • And I remember hearing a commentone time of someone who had
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  • the absolute best intentions.
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  • I mean, what she wastrying to say was so kind,
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  • when she looked atme and she said,
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  • your son, isn't it coolhe looks a lot like you.
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  • And she had reallygood intentions
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  • is she wanted me to feelthis connection to my son.
  • 00:13:26.495 --> 00:13:29.732
  • But the truth is my son whomI adopted when he was born,
  • 00:13:29.732 --> 00:13:33.035
  • he looks a lotlike his birth mom.
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  • And like, that's becauseshe gave birth to him
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  • and he has all of her DNA.
  • 00:13:37.473 --> 00:13:39.341
  • And so I always think aboutthat story when I think we can
  • 00:13:39.341 --> 00:13:43.445
  • have good intentions andwe're trying to be kind,
  • 00:13:43.445 --> 00:13:46.048
  • and we're trying to maybe easethe conversation a little bit
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  • and maybe say something thatwe think might be politically
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  • correct.
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  • But the same way thatI said to that mom.
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  • Oh, that's kind of you,
  • 00:13:54.857 --> 00:13:56.125
  • but he actually looks alot like his birth mom,
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  • is the same waythat I have been so
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  • thankful that myfriends who are black,
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  • who have called outthings in my own life
  • 00:14:03.365 --> 00:14:05.200
  • and said well just like Tasha,
  • 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.069
  • you just taught us all,
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  • like this is whyseeing color matters
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  • because you see me
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  • and that mom inthat grocery store,
  • 00:14:12.908 --> 00:14:14.576
  • I would have just wantedto give her a big hug
  • 00:14:14.576 --> 00:14:16.745
  • because she was in themiddle of teaching her child.
  • 00:14:16.745 --> 00:14:20.015
  • That color does matter,
  • 00:14:20.015 --> 00:14:21.216
  • that we can see eachother for who they are.
  • 00:14:21.216 --> 00:14:22.985
  • And so I think just, I'mtrying to help everybody
  • 00:14:22.985 --> 00:14:25.988
  • lessen the blow alittle bit here,
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  • If you've been like me
  • 00:14:27.890 --> 00:14:29.191
  • and maybe likesome other people,
  • 00:14:29.191 --> 00:14:30.392
  • and maybe you've hadreally great intentions.
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  • I want to encourageyou with two things.
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  • Number one, just lookat what you're saying,
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  • and listen, if someonecalls you out on it,
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  • be willing to listen,
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  • because I think that'swhere we can get stuck.
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  • It's like, no no no no no no.
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  • I really don't see color.
  • 00:14:42.571 --> 00:14:43.939
  • I just see everybody the same.
  • 00:14:43.939 --> 00:14:45.240
  • And then we're like, well,
  • 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:46.742
  • actually you don'tlook at Latasha.
  • 00:14:46.742 --> 00:14:48.243
  • She's Brown, I can seeit with my own eyes,
  • 00:14:48.243 --> 00:14:51.046
  • you know, and soit's okay to learn.
  • 00:14:51.046 --> 00:14:54.316
  • It's okay to embrace it.
  • 00:14:54.316 --> 00:14:55.985
  • Like Tasha saidthese conversationsare often difficult,
  • 00:14:55.985 --> 00:14:59.221
  • but I think it's really good.
  • 00:14:59.221 --> 00:15:01.223
  • We can look and say,here's some things
  • 00:15:01.223 --> 00:15:03.859
  • that I used to saywith good intentions.
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  • Here's what I've learned.
  • 00:15:06.128 --> 00:15:07.629
  • And here's the language Ichoose to use now, yeah.
  • 00:15:07.629 --> 00:15:11.300
  • - You know I love this program.
  • 00:15:12.634 --> 00:15:17.172
  • It is difficult Latasha.
  • 00:15:17.172 --> 00:15:19.742
  • You have to surround yourpeople in a safe place.
  • 00:15:19.742 --> 00:15:24.747
  • And I'm so thankful thatthe Lord sees our hearts.
  • 00:15:26.181 --> 00:15:28.083
  • We can say thingsand I will say this,
  • 00:15:28.083 --> 00:15:31.020
  • my mother in lawsweet Jane Crouch.
  • 00:15:31.020 --> 00:15:34.023
  • She never wanted to talkabout racism on the air.
  • 00:15:34.023 --> 00:15:39.028
  • Cause she was like going
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  • that is not going to be apart of the kingdom of God.
  • 00:15:41.263 --> 00:15:45.000
  • And that's what we're here for.
  • 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:46.668
  • And her heart wasso right about that.
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  • She didn't wantto talk about it.
  • 00:15:49.872 --> 00:15:54.877
  • Just we are the human race,
  • 00:15:55.744 --> 00:15:58.047
  • all made in the image of God
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  • and out of her pure andI know is a pure heart.
  • 00:16:00.949 --> 00:16:04.420
  • But she didn'twanna talk about it.
  • 00:16:04.420 --> 00:16:06.422
  • And I think it is hard.
  • 00:16:06.422 --> 00:16:07.956
  • And I think that the graceneeded for each other man,
  • 00:16:07.956 --> 00:16:10.893
  • if there is anything Ineed right now is grace.
  • 00:16:10.893 --> 00:16:14.463
  • Because I think likeJamie was saying,
  • 00:16:14.463 --> 00:16:16.498
  • a lot of us do saythings you know,
  • 00:16:16.498 --> 00:16:20.002
  • I think color makesthe world go around.
  • 00:16:20.002 --> 00:16:22.271
  • I mean, God created every color.
  • 00:16:22.271 --> 00:16:24.473
  • I've always saiddon't ever be ashamed
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  • of what God created you to be
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  • because he madeyou a part of Him.
  • 00:16:29.745 --> 00:16:31.547
  • You are created in the image,
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  • You are an imagebearer of Christ,
  • 00:16:34.083 --> 00:16:36.251
  • so none of us everneed to be ashamed of
  • 00:16:36.251 --> 00:16:39.721
  • the way God made us, the color,the height, the thickness,
  • 00:16:39.721 --> 00:16:44.726
  • the whatever God hascreated you to be.
  • 00:16:45.894 --> 00:16:47.429
  • You need to relishin that curly hair,
  • 00:16:47.429 --> 00:16:50.032
  • straight hair, just embrace it.
  • 00:16:50.032 --> 00:16:52.868
  • But this conversation,there is a problem.
  • 00:16:52.868 --> 00:16:57.873
  • And so we need grace it's like
  • 00:16:59.374 --> 00:17:04.379
  • if you don't speakup, you're in trouble.
  • 00:17:05.514 --> 00:17:07.282
  • If you do say something, theyneed to shut up and listen
  • 00:17:07.282 --> 00:17:10.819
  • and but then if youdon't, then it's violence.
  • 00:17:10.819 --> 00:17:13.288
  • And I mean, all thisstuff, it's like,
  • 00:17:13.288 --> 00:17:15.290
  • we can't do anything right.
  • 00:17:15.290 --> 00:17:16.959
  • And we need God's help
  • 00:17:16.959 --> 00:17:19.061
  • because God is theonly one that is
  • 00:17:19.061 --> 00:17:20.896
  • going to change the heartsand the minds of men
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  • and Chris I know thatthat's what you're all about
  • 00:17:23.932 --> 00:17:26.702
  • because we have no other hope
  • 00:17:27.603 --> 00:17:29.638
  • than to lean intoto God and his grace
  • 00:17:29.638 --> 00:17:32.808
  • and the way he sees us andthe way we see each other.
  • 00:17:32.808 --> 00:17:36.178
  • - It's so true and ofcourse we know Jesus
  • 00:17:37.646 --> 00:17:42.217
  • and the unity we have in Christ
  • 00:17:42.217 --> 00:17:43.752
  • is the ultimate answer.
  • 00:17:43.752 --> 00:17:46.321
  • And I think though, thisis where for many years
  • 00:17:46.321 --> 00:17:50.592
  • the church has been silentfor whatever reason,
  • 00:17:50.592 --> 00:17:53.028
  • whether it's just likeyou talked about with Jan,
  • 00:17:53.028 --> 00:17:56.231
  • it's like in her mind,there is no issue.
  • 00:17:56.231 --> 00:17:58.600
  • And in the world herein our TBN world,
  • 00:17:58.600 --> 00:18:02.404
  • we have had diversityin every sense,
  • 00:18:02.404 --> 00:18:06.074
  • all across the board.
  • 00:18:06.074 --> 00:18:07.342
  • But here is the challenge
  • 00:18:07.342 --> 00:18:09.044
  • because sometimes you think,
  • 00:18:09.044 --> 00:18:10.345
  • well this isn't an issue for me.
  • 00:18:10.345 --> 00:18:12.781
  • And sometimes when wehave maybe mistakenly,
  • 00:18:12.781 --> 00:18:16.618
  • cause you can be sincere,but sincerely wrong.
  • 00:18:16.618 --> 00:18:18.754
  • And so you can likeI'm just color blind,
  • 00:18:18.754 --> 00:18:21.823
  • God loves everybodyit's all okay.
  • 00:18:21.823 --> 00:18:24.560
  • But then what we're missing is
  • 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:26.461
  • there have been injustices
  • 00:18:26.461 --> 00:18:28.397
  • done on the Earth becauseof things like race.
  • 00:18:28.397 --> 00:18:32.034
  • So if we are notwilling to mention that,
  • 00:18:32.034 --> 00:18:35.137
  • how on earth are we goingto deal with unjust systems
  • 00:18:35.137 --> 00:18:38.974
  • and make it's justiceand righteousness.
  • 00:18:38.974 --> 00:18:42.377
  • And so we cannot move forward.
  • 00:18:42.377 --> 00:18:45.013
  • We talk about revival.
  • 00:18:45.013 --> 00:18:46.915
  • I almost think,
  • 00:18:46.915 --> 00:18:48.350
  • and for some of youy'all know my TBN family,
  • 00:18:48.350 --> 00:18:50.586
  • how I'm all about revival.
  • 00:18:50.586 --> 00:18:52.154
  • I want to say toyou that right now,
  • 00:18:52.154 --> 00:18:55.424
  • yes, there's a lot ofpain and suffering,
  • 00:18:55.424 --> 00:18:57.459
  • but there is also thethread of the revival
  • 00:18:57.459 --> 00:19:01.096
  • that we have been talkingabout where hearts
  • 00:19:01.096 --> 00:19:03.332
  • are beginning to be transformed
  • 00:19:03.332 --> 00:19:05.534
  • where we're not justfalling out under the power
  • 00:19:05.534 --> 00:19:07.569
  • of God on the alter in church,
  • 00:19:07.569 --> 00:19:09.738
  • but we're taking justice tothe streets that is biblical
  • 00:19:09.738 --> 00:19:14.576
  • revival we've singingthe songs for decades.
  • 00:19:14.576 --> 00:19:17.246
  • We've been praying the prayers
  • 00:19:17.246 --> 00:19:18.480
  • and as charismatics,we've been all about it.
  • 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.649
  • So I'm like, okay,
  • 00:19:20.649 --> 00:19:22.317
  • we do need to raise ourvoice because silence,
  • 00:19:22.317 --> 00:19:27.289
  • isn't helping anyone.
  • 00:19:28.056 --> 00:19:29.324
  • And the fact is, we go,
  • 00:19:29.324 --> 00:19:30.559
  • well is this a biblical issue,
  • 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.528
  • a gospel issue it's all of it.
  • 00:19:33.528 --> 00:19:34.763
  • I've always wonderedpeople said to me,
  • 00:19:34.763 --> 00:19:35.964
  • how can you be anevangelist and do A21?
  • 00:19:35.964 --> 00:19:38.400
  • Is it justice oris it evangelism?
  • 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.203
  • I'm like both, doyou read the Bible?
  • 00:19:41.203 --> 00:19:43.405
  • I don't understand whatthe issue is here at all.
  • 00:19:43.405 --> 00:19:47.276
  • And you know, Latashawill speak to that more,
  • 00:19:47.276 --> 00:19:49.111
  • but I'm going the fact isI know is a lot of pain
  • 00:19:49.111 --> 00:19:53.282
  • and I know we're in transition.
  • 00:19:53.282 --> 00:19:54.716
  • I've birth to babies okay.
  • 00:19:54.716 --> 00:19:56.285
  • I was gutless, Ihad a C section.
  • 00:19:56.285 --> 00:19:57.953
  • There you go and an epidural,
  • 00:19:57.953 --> 00:19:59.588
  • but they tell me duringtransition birthing,
  • 00:19:59.588 --> 00:20:02.591
  • it's messy it'spainful it's horrible,
  • 00:20:02.591 --> 00:20:06.094
  • But you bow and ifwe can just bear down
  • 00:20:06.094 --> 00:20:09.831
  • and push in this seasonto my TBN family,
  • 00:20:09.831 --> 00:20:13.335
  • honestly God is in it.
  • 00:20:13.335 --> 00:20:15.871
  • I just wanna say to yousomewhere in the midst of it,
  • 00:20:15.871 --> 00:20:18.240
  • Diana do you see that?
  • 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:19.975
  • - I absolutely andif I can say this,
  • 00:20:21.243 --> 00:20:24.346
  • there has been a word Ibelieve a right now word,
  • 00:20:24.346 --> 00:20:28.684
  • that there is a womanas someone prophesied,
  • 00:20:28.684 --> 00:20:31.119
  • there is a woman holding oil
  • 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.455
  • and the oil is for this time.
  • 00:20:33.455 --> 00:20:35.457
  • I don't believeit's an individual.
  • 00:20:35.457 --> 00:20:37.326
  • I believe the woman represents
  • 00:20:37.326 --> 00:20:38.960
  • there's the voices of women
  • 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.397
  • that are thrustingthe oil of God.
  • 00:20:42.397 --> 00:20:44.733
  • During this timeyou have reformers.
  • 00:20:44.733 --> 00:20:48.337
  • You have people thatare sent for this moment
  • 00:20:48.337 --> 00:20:50.972
  • in the 21st centuryto set the pace
  • 00:20:50.972 --> 00:20:54.776
  • of what the 21st centuryreformation looks like.
  • 00:20:54.776 --> 00:20:56.978
  • And it is this,
  • 00:20:56.978 --> 00:20:58.180
  • and I think wehave been praying.
  • 00:20:58.180 --> 00:20:59.981
  • I don't know if peopleare praying remnant.
  • 00:20:59.981 --> 00:21:02.417
  • People are prayingfor a word of God.
  • 00:21:02.417 --> 00:21:04.219
  • People are wanting revival.
  • 00:21:04.219 --> 00:21:06.121
  • Well honey, the revival is now,
  • 00:21:06.121 --> 00:21:08.623
  • this is what revival looks like.
  • 00:21:08.623 --> 00:21:10.125
  • It's not what you expected,
  • 00:21:10.125 --> 00:21:11.860
  • but I believe me that ifJohn the Baptist said,
  • 00:21:11.860 --> 00:21:15.197
  • the Axe is at theroot of the tree
  • 00:21:15.197 --> 00:21:17.899
  • and he's ready to take it down
  • 00:21:17.899 --> 00:21:20.335
  • and the tree if it's notproducing good fruit,
  • 00:21:20.335 --> 00:21:23.705
  • it will be uprooted cutdown and thrown in the fire.
  • 00:21:23.705 --> 00:21:27.242
  • And we are in that moment,
  • 00:21:27.242 --> 00:21:29.311
  • I believe this is aJohn the Baptist moment
  • 00:21:29.311 --> 00:21:31.646
  • of addressing issuesof poor fruit,
  • 00:21:31.646 --> 00:21:35.384
  • poor fruit that havebeen harvested blossoming
  • 00:21:35.384 --> 00:21:39.221
  • and we've beenreaping for years.
  • 00:21:39.221 --> 00:21:41.990
  • And the Lord is saying notonly with the whole movement
  • 00:21:41.990 --> 00:21:45.427
  • of women speakingup for injustices.
  • 00:21:45.427 --> 00:21:47.596
  • Now He's saying okay,
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  • I want everybodyon a timeout SAP.
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  • I want everybody to stay home.
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  • I want everybody tolook at this video,
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  • okay, let's deal with it.
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  • That's what we're having.
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  • This is the move of God.
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  • And the Lord is wanting touproot this thing that has been
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  • sewn to the wind and willreaping the whirlwind.
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  • And so this is whatwe're walking through.
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  • As the 21st century church,
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  • we have reaped the whirlwindof things that have been sewn
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  • into the soil and thehistoricity of this country.
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  • I love Americadon't get me wrong,
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  • but we cannot whitewash America with
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  • a romanticized view anylonger and say you know what,
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  • I don't see it, I'm color blind.
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  • I see the human race.
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  • Yes, we see partof the human race,
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  • but we're not seeing thefullness of the human race.
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  • And that's why blacklives must matter.
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  • That's why blacklives are important.
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  • That's why we place value onblack lives because the stench
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  • and the aroma of the incense
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  • and the blood that is cryingout through the years,
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  • asking for justiceis happening now.
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  • And it's happening on our watch.
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  • And we need to placea value right now
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  • for all of ourbrothers and sisters.
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  • Latasha is not justa black sister.
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  • She is my sister,she's my family.
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  • And when the enemyattacks my family,
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  • all, you're gonna seeme wrap up my hair,
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  • take off my earringsand go to town.
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  • That's how I handle thestuff in the spirit.
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  • You know what I'm saying?
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  • That's how I feel aboutthese issues right now,
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  • because they're importantto the kingdom of God.
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  • And if they're important to Him,
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  • they must be important to us.
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  • - The church must bethe headlights in this
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  • and not the tail lights.
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  • And for so long, we've beenthe tail lights in this.
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  • And we have to realizethat not only is the church
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  • complicit, we help createthe infrastructure.
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  • So church wasn't onthe sidelines saying,
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  • you know what, thoseare image bearers
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  • Don't do this I mean we'vecreated denominations
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  • around this ideology.
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  • So we have to be apart of the solution
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  • in this conversation.
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  • So I'm glad that we're here
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  • and we're havingthis conversation.
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  • - I am so glad that we'rehaving this conversation
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  • and we're gonna have thisconversation all week.
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  • And we're gonna talk aboutwhat are there some things
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  • that we can do to build change.
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  • And we're gonnatalk about learning
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  • and listening and leaning in.
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  • And I wanna encourageyou TBN family
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  • to join along withus as we do that.
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  • And let me prayfor us as we move,
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  • as we finish out this day,
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  • let me pray for you,
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  • God we're so grateful for you.
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  • We're grateful that this isnot an issue of evangelism
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  • or justice, that youare both, you are both.
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  • You want people toknow you and follow you
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  • and you demand justice.
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  • You demand it and you give it
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  • and you give us hopeand you give us grace.
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  • God would we be theheadlights in this.
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  • God, let us notbe on the tail end
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  • Anymore of these conversations
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  • of these actions ofthis love of this hope.
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  • God the church is wherethe ultimate change
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  • is going to come.
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  • And so would youallow us and equip us
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  • to stand up andbe bold and strong
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  • in our faith and leadthe way because of
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  • what you have done for us.
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  • God, we're grateful for you.
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  • We're grateful
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  • that we know the end ofthis whole story as well.
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  • We're so grateful that youare victorious in this,
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  • that you have the final word.
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  • We pray all of this in theprecious blood of Jesus.
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  • Amen.
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  • - Amen
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  • - Amen, beautiful you guys
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  • this whole week isgonna be amazing.
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  • Our Better Together communityis always here for you.
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  • You can connect withus on social media
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  • and let us know how
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  • we can pray for you.
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  • Thanks for joining us today.
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  • How can we addressmuch needed change
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  • without getting lostin pain and rage?
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  • First, we must identify thetrue source of injustice
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  • and that would be sin.
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  • Tomorrow we're talking abouthow to take a good stand
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  • God's way, we'll see you then.
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  • God bless you, I loveyou girls bye bye.
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  • (bright music)
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